WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.559 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:29.000 When you look be on the sky, do you feel 3 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:29.640 the poll? 4 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:32.799 The question why. 5 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:40.759 The stories told and left behind in shadows where the 6 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:48.200 truth we find? They built their tails on grafts and 7 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:50.920 lies on theories. 8 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:53.840 They stay there, designed. 9 00:00:55.039 --> 00:01:00.280 Put down here on this solid brown well. 10 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.240 Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time 11 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:06.879 for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm 12 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:09.599 your host is always George Hobbs. Hope everybody had a 13 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:12.799 great weekend. We have a great guest standing by. His 14 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:14.799 name is Jordan. Before we get to him, just a 15 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:17.920 couple of quick reminders. First, do stop by the flat 16 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:21.400 Earthfiles dot com. Every episode goes out in the form 17 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:24.040 of a blog post and all the notes and things 18 00:01:24.079 --> 00:01:26.400 that we talked about during our conversation we'll be there, 19 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:31.599 including Jordan's email and his podcast link there and in 20 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.159 the show notes and at the website. You can always 21 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:36.400 check out our form our chat room. There's much to 22 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:39.439 do the flat Earthfiles dot com and if you would 23 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:43.000 like to join the podcast like Jordan is today, please 24 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:47.840 send us an email. It is fe filesguest at gmail 25 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.920 dot com. And again, all this information is in the 26 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:55.480 show notes and the website, and without any further ado, 27 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:58.680 let's bring on our guest again. His name is Jordan 28 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:01.159 from Kansas. Thank you so much for joining us today. 29 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:04.159 Sir, Thank you, sir. Good to be here. 30 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:06.159 Yeah, it is good. Good to see you. And this 31 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:09.000 is our second that the technology monsters got us the 32 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:12.120 first first go round. But I think we're good to go. Now, 33 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:14.400 go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. 34 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:19.280 All right, my name is Jordan. I'm thirty four in Kansas. 35 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:22.800 I have three kids. I got eleven year old daughter, 36 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:24.840 seven year old son, and a five year old daughter. 37 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:28.199 I'm from a small town in Kansas. It's got like 38 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.719 ninety people. We have eleven roads. Only one of them's paved. 39 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:36.000 The rest of them are dirt. I've been a welder 40 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:39.759 for thirteen years. I currently I work at a company 41 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:42.159 that they work on a bunch of stuff for the 42 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:48.159 oil industry. We make, like asme, pressure vessels. So it's 43 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:48.759 kind of cool. 44 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:52.719 Yeah. I just checked out your town on Google. It's 45 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:54.719 you got the big I guess that's the water tower. 46 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:57.319 It's silver. It says Collier on it, and there's maybe 47 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:02.520 like a firehouse and a post office and you know what, 48 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:05.280 I live in a what is considered a rural town, 49 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:08.439 but nothing like you know, these real small towns are 50 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:10.919 becoming farther and fewer between. 51 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:15.680 Oh yeah, it's pretty wild. Yeah, because yeah, growing up here, 52 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:17.879 we didn't have anything to do except there was a 53 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:19.240 lot more kids when I was a kid. 54 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:21.000 Yeah. 55 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:25.400 Has it always been you know, this amount of people 56 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:26.520 always around one hundred? 57 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.000 I mean yeah, since I moved here in third grade, 58 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:32.800 and there's never been really over one hundred people. 59 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:33.240 Probably. 60 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:35.120 Wow, what's the nearest city to you? 61 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:40.680 Like city city would probably be Wichita, Kansas. But if 62 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:42.639 we want to get like groceries, we can go like 63 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:44.159 forty five minutes to Hayes. 64 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.759 Oh so you are really no Dollar General or anything there? Huh? 65 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:48.599 Oh we have, I guess. 66 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:51.240 Yeah, we have Dollar General eight miles away, and then 67 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:52.599 another one twelve miles away. 68 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:56.520 Okay, but still that's you're out there. That's we're living 69 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:59.400 large now. We used to have to go the same 70 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.599 about six miles to go to the Dollar General, and 71 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:06.479 just a month ago they put one in our little area. 72 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:09.919 So it's like, uh, we're we're living large now. We'd 73 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:11.759 only have to drive a minute now to if we 74 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.240 need you know, a milk or something like that. 75 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:17.519 And you know what's crazy, you say that you live 76 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:18.319 by the Amish. 77 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:19.120 Yep. 78 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:25.959 Here we have what's called the their Old German Baptists, 79 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:29.480 and then we have like the Duncan Brethren and they 80 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:35.360 have like no radios, no TVs, just house phones. And 81 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:37.399 it's pretty crazy. 82 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:43.120 Yeah, that's Ohio has a group like that Pennsylvania, Delaware 83 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.399 And I wasn't aware there was what was the the 84 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:48.839 German group. Were they Mennonites or are they something different? 85 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:52.519 The Old German Baptists. 86 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.959 Old German Baptist Okay, interesting, I need. 87 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:57.199 To a lot of them moved to Ohio. 88 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:00.800 Oh I believe that there's such a I think that's 89 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:07.879 probably the biggest gathering of Amish in the country is 90 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.079 in uh is in Ohio. Great stuff? Why don't we 91 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.360 get started? Well, first of all, I wanted to ask 92 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:16.360 you your your podcast is entitled Once Upon a Time 93 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:19.600 seven eighty five, and I was wondering what the seven 94 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:23.040 eighty five was. So I went to our friend Google 95 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:27.560 and is it. What they say is that number symbolizes 96 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:28.920 a sign of a fresh start. 97 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:35.360 It's actually like our area code. Oh like so, and then. 98 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:40.600 I've read too much into it. Okay, gotcha. 99 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.680 It was originally just Once upon a seven eighty five, 100 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:49.439 but after I found out that the Earth was flat, 101 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.360 I changed it to that because I wanted it to 102 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:54.519 with the algorithms and stuff. 103 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:56.000 I wanted it to bring it up better. 104 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:01.639 So, if I recall correctly in our email, your your 105 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:07.079 podcast was originally it. I guess your awakening happened during 106 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:09.639 your podcast. It didn't happen, and then you started it, 107 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:11.920 so you kind of altered your podcast. 108 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:12.079 Ye? 109 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:12.839 Is that correct? 110 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:15.000 Yes? 111 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:17.600 I completely switched what it was about and everything. 112 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.800 So tell the listeners a little bit about how your 113 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:24.800 awakening came about and how it affected your life and 114 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:27.639 to whom you aren't nowt today as a person. 115 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:33.240 All right, I can, uh, because do you want me 116 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:35.800 to start like where I like how I got into conspiracies? 117 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:36.000 Sure? 118 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:36.879 Yeah, absolutely? 119 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:39.720 Well. 120 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:43.279 Uh, when I first saying that ever got me into 121 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:49.279 conspiracies was a movie called Zeitgeist, and that like it 122 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.639 blew my mind and it was actually like a double 123 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:56.319 Like I grew up in the church, like my parents, 124 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.399 I had to go to church every Sunday, and as 125 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.240 a kid it kind of made me really resent church. 126 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:03.040 Like I couldn't wait to just not have to go 127 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:06.199 to church if I didn't want to. And then that 128 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:09.879 movie Zeitgeist. They have the first parts about religion and 129 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:12.720 they based it all off the stars, and that's what 130 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.600 made me be like, I started to not really believe 131 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.040 in the Bible or God or anything. It wasn't a 132 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:21.000 priority to me. But then they had the nine to 133 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:23.639 eleven part, and that blew my mind, and that was 134 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.240 the first bit of like, I don't trust. 135 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:27.639 The government or anything they say. 136 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.160 But that was like in two thousand and eight when 137 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.720 I watched that, And I can say I honestly didn't 138 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:35.879 mess with conspiracies until like. 139 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:39.040 Twenty twenty one. 140 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:45.800 And I didn't even like the podcasts until I made 141 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:48.199 my own, and then I started listening to podcasts. 142 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:53.079 It's interesting if I could jump in real quick. So Zeitgeist, 143 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:55.720 nine to eleven was your first real awakening. So doing 144 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.560 the math, you would have been about eleven when nine 145 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:00.560 to eleven actually happened in two thousand and one. 146 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:04.800 Yep, and I think sixth grade. 147 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:07.560 Okay, yeah, that sounds about right, And you know at 148 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.839 that age you're not thinking, wow, that's falling at free 149 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:15.439 fall speed and it's weird. You know, you're not doing 150 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:19.279 that type of thinking. So you fast forward seventeen, you're 151 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:22.920 like a senior in high school and you see Zeitgeist, 152 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:28.319 and you know, even though you're only eighteen, you're still 153 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.839 your mind has been molded to believe that the government 154 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:34.559 is looking out for you. And then you watch this 155 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.879 movie and it probably turned your world upside down to 156 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:39.120 be introduced this at eighteen. 157 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:41.799 Yeah, it completely did. 158 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:43.639 I would be lying if I didn't say I didn't 159 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:46.519 watch that movie every night for like that whole week 160 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.759 because I just couldn't believe it. I didn't know about 161 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:53.639 Building seven or anything. 162 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:57.440 And then I just like that, there's no way that 163 00:08:57.440 --> 00:08:58.080 that happened. 164 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:01.559 Yeah, And again I always say, if you were to 165 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.000 stand outside of Walmart and ask just one hundred people 166 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.240 walking in how many buildings fell in New York City 167 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.919 on nine to eleven, ninety five percent of them would 168 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:12.559 say two. You'd be lucky enough to find a couple 169 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:15.120 of critical thinkers who have done a little bit of 170 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:20.279 research and came across Szeitegeist or some quote unquote conspiracy, 171 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:24.039 whether it be a video or a pamphlet or something. 172 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:29.799 But again, it's very difficult. And I'm sure you understand 173 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:32.879 too that it's difficult to get people to question these 174 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.120 type of things, to even get them to sit down 175 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:38.759 for five minutes and to look into them. 176 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:42.720 Yeah, I mean it's it's honestly, really really difficult because 177 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:45.720 I started asking people like if they knew how far 178 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:50.120 when the sun was, and they're like no, And I 179 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:53.320 ask them if they think they'reth round or flat, and 180 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:56.279 they're just like round, And I just ask them why 181 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:00.720 and they always say I don't know. And I just 182 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.960 find it weird why you wouldn't want to just because 183 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:05.639 if you tell them the facts, they're going to say, 184 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:08.360 you can't believe everything you read on the internet. And 185 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:10.799 it's just I don't like that answer at all. 186 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:14.519 Yeah, it is a little demeaning, like they kind of 187 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:17.960 talked down to you. You know, Oh, you've been watching 188 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.639 too many YouTube videos. That's that's the comment I get 189 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:25.120 a lot. Oh yeah, So where where do you go 190 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:28.080 from nine to eleven? What was the kind of next 191 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:29.399 rabbit hole you ran into? 192 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:34.799 I'd say it was when I started listening to podcasts 193 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:39.919 in like twenty twenty one. I listened to these podcasts. 194 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:41.960 One of them was like Theories of the third Kind, 195 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:45.799 and they had an episode about Antarctica and I was like, 196 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:47.000 what do you mean you can't. 197 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:47.639 Go to Antarctica? 198 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:50.679 That blew my mind because I was way older now 199 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:52.799 and I was like, what do you mean we can't 200 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:54.720 go there? And so I started looking into it and 201 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:57.440 I was like, man, that's crazy, Like how can you 202 00:10:57.519 --> 00:10:59.919 not be allowed to go there? But I still was 203 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:05.080 not even close to the Earth being flat. And I'd 204 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.879 listened to some other episodes that people had with flat earthers, 205 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:09.440 but I'm pretty sure one of them was part of 206 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:11.120 the flatter Society. 207 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:12.720 And I was like, I don't know about that. 208 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:15.440 But they would say certain things like why you don't 209 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:20.000 see telephone poles or skyscrapers like a golden stuff, or 210 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:24.320 like zooming in on Australia and showing us someone swimming 211 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:26.159 upside down. I was like, you know, that makes sense. 212 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:32.600 And I did have one thing I wanted to ask 213 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:35.120 you real quick that I thought I always saw it 214 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:38.480 as a little kid, and I wondered like if it 215 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:40.759 like how it could make sense, like you know how 216 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:45.039 they showed the globe and I always thought a kid, 217 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:47.200 if you started digging a hole where you were at, 218 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:49.679 you could eventually come out on the other side, right, 219 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:53.519 But how would that work with gravity because they're stuck 220 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:55.440 to the ball upside down and I'd be coming from 221 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:59.799 the other side that then they'd probably just say there's magma. 222 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:03.840 Yeah exactly. But there is a I guess it was 223 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.600 a meme, meme, whatever you call it, or maybe somebody 224 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:13.799 a previous guess at some point mentioned it. If you 225 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.480 you know, if you were too it's not possible obviously, 226 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:18.720 but if you were to dig a hole going in 227 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.960 face down, you're not going to come out the same way. 228 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:27.720 There's just so many fallacies with the globe, between the 229 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:32.200 flights and everything else. And it goes back to what 230 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:35.519 you said. You ask somebody how far away is the sun? 231 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.960 They can't answer it. How fast? You know, one thing 232 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.320 most people can answer. They can't answer usually how fast 233 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:43.600 is the Earth spinning? They usually get pretty close to that, 234 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:47.279 but anything else, moon numbers two hundred and thirty nine thousand, 235 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:50.679 how fast we're chasing the Sun sixty six thousand, those 236 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:55.840 type of things they can't really grasp onto. But so 237 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:58.399 for me, going back to what your question was, what 238 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:03.039 you had mentioned, scientism or you know, whatever, word you 239 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:07.600 want to use for that, and you know it's obviously controlled. 240 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.840 And their job is to fill in the blanks, to 241 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:16.679 have an answer for everything, because you know, if you 242 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:19.240 follow Christ and you read the Bible, you understand that 243 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.799 there's a lot of answers for things, right, that we 244 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:25.039 do live on a flat plane, that we are encased 245 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:29.200 by the firmament, yea. But science has to have answers 246 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.960 for everything else, right, And they come up with this 247 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:34.039 nonsense like they can tell you what's at the center 248 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:37.799 of the earth, which there's not really foreign a foundation, right, 249 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:39.799 And I think the deepest hole is like seven and 250 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.159 a half or eight miles. And it goes the same 251 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:45.159 with medicine, right, Well, God didn't make you perfect, so 252 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.600 you know, five minutes into childbirth they load up children 253 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:51.679 with vaccines and all of these type of things. So 254 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:55.000 you know, these things, these deceptions are just much bigger 255 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:58.000 than money and power. It's really a spiritual. 256 00:13:57.559 --> 00:13:59.919 Battle, it is. 257 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.080 And I mean I was just talking to my sister 258 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:04.080 today and she is just like, I don't know how 259 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:07.639 you can get so into this. She's like, I almost 260 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:09.000 don't even want to know. And I was like, I 261 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:10.759 feel like a lot of people they'd rather just not 262 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.519 hear it because it's going to just flip their whole 263 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.799 world upside down. And I said, I just scratched everything 264 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.080 I ever learned and just started fresh. And I don't 265 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.320 know that much, but I have beliefs, and I feel 266 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:25.919 like they're a lot more solid than what I learned 267 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:28.360 in a twelve year indoctrination school. 268 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:31.480 And that is one of the things that you battle 269 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:34.440 when you talk to people, is the indoctrination. And in 270 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:39.320 many cases, not all, but many of the colleges that 271 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:42.320 they even in doctor nats who even more. I just 272 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:46.240 finished an interview about fifteen minutes of you coming on, 273 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:49.120 and we were talking about if you take some time 274 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:52.240 and you go on these major colleges websites, like every 275 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:55.480 major college has their own newspaper, Like go to the 276 00:14:55.600 --> 00:15:00.279 University of Oregon's website, the University of Texas and look 277 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:05.559 at the propaganda and how they are molding these these 278 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:08.639 young adults like they're adults when they get to college, 279 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:11.919 so you know they're adults, but they're young and they're 280 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:16.879 really pushing this. For one, in an earthly word, it's communist, 281 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:19.519 but in a in a in a spiritual world, it's 282 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:23.720 Satanist and they are teaching everything that goes against biblical teachings. 283 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:32.000 Yeah, exactly, And I mean I I would always heard that. 284 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:35.399 I thought they said that dinosaur fossils was where oil 285 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.080 came from, right fossil, But I made Yeah, I made 286 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.639 a video on TikTok last night and I went to 287 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:47.120 the old Google and Google said that that's a that's fiction, like, 288 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:47.759 that's not true. 289 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:49.519 They're from these micro organisms. 290 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:51.960 And I was like, well, I feel like I learned 291 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.360 that in school, and I wondered, how come some of 292 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:57.320 them dinosaurs turned into oil and then some turned into fossils, 293 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:58.559 because that makes no sense. 294 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.720 Yeah, that's another lie. And personally, I believe it's probably renewable. 295 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:07.960 If you you know, obviously, you drain an oil field, 296 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:10.879 you leave it alone for twenty thirty years, it probably 297 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:14.080 renews itself. You can't tell me that Saudi Arabia has 298 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:17.799 been milking that land for I mean, what for at 299 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:21.759 least I'm just guessing here eighty years and they still 300 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:25.399 have loads of that stuff and there. I've talked to 301 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:28.480 individuals who have worked in the oil industry and said 302 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:33.039 that it's it's renewable, not overnight not like a plant 303 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:35.159 where you can drop a seed and no one comes, 304 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:36.639 but over time it will. 305 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:36.919 Yeah. 306 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:40.399 If you ask Google, it says fossil fuels are non 307 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:45.519 renewable energy sources that were formed from the remains of 308 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:49.720 prehistoric plants and animals. 309 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:50.559 Yeah. 310 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.320 And I was literally talking to my parents like thirty 311 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:55.840 minutes ago, and I said, I think that oil's just 312 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:57.559 as renewable and abundant. 313 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:58.000 As water is. 314 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:01.559 Indeed, and I heard from you that like Rockfeller is 315 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:04.839 the one who made the word fossil feel so they 316 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:08.839 could make it seem like it's not it's scarce, so 317 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.160 they can raise and lower the price. And if they 318 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:13.000 could do something to make a bug, I feel like 319 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:13.960 they totally. 320 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:16.319 Will, oh, one hundred percent. And then you can even 321 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:20.799 go back to Tesla. I believe he created free energy, 322 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:24.240 and you can't have free energy because they have to 323 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:27.920 the whole system of the matrix is meant to deplete 324 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:32.599 people and make you work harder and harder. So that see, 325 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:35.200 that keeps you away from your family because you have 326 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:38.880 Johnny off at school, and instead of being there and 327 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:41.279 educated them yourself, you have to work fifty sixty hours 328 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:44.119 a week to pay the electric bill to pay for 329 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:47.279 the gas bill. And listen, if it turns out, if 330 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.240 it gets out that oil is renewable and they're lying 331 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:54.480 about it, well sure they can charge for it, but 332 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:56.640 they can't charge like they are now. They could charge 333 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:58.880 for like water, you know, twenty five cents a gallon. 334 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.680 Yeah, yeah, that's totally true. 335 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:08.400 And I mean, I've there's so much stuff just listening 336 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.440 to you that I've just like it makes so much 337 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:15.920 more sense now, Like I don't know, it was kind 338 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.759 of depressing to be like, man, I can't believe. I 339 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.839 thought I knew conspiracies and I had no clue. And 340 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.640 even conspiracies, that's a word they made to make people 341 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:27.519 seem like they don't know what they're talking about. 342 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:30.720 That's right, that crazy George. He's a conspiracy theorist. The 343 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:32.599 FBI put that in in the sixties. Right. 344 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:35.160 Yeah. 345 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:38.880 So now, I guess in an order of precedence here, 346 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:44.279 you would have come upon flat Earth during COVID. Have 347 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:47.039 you had or I should say, did you have any 348 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:52.680 kind of questions when this was going on in March 349 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.039 and going forward in twenty twenty prior to coming upon 350 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:56.720 the flat Earth? 351 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:02.599 I don't know if you need to put a mark there. 352 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:05.960 Someone was trying to call me and I just denied him. 353 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:06.759 Oh no, you're good. 354 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:13.640 It didn't come through, Okay, Like with COVID. 355 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:19.400 I had actually just lost my job before COVID happened, 356 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:22.880 and so that whole year of twenty twenty, I didn't 357 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:28.720 have I was unemployed, and I definitely knew that COVID 358 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:31.400 was a scam and I wasn't gonna I didn't get 359 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:33.599 no vaccine. I didn't do anything like that. And I 360 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:36.200 tried to get everybody I knew not to get the vaccine, 361 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:41.599 but I just didn't do that because I didn't trust 362 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:44.240 the government ever since nine to eleven. Like flu shots, 363 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:49.680 I didn't get those. I didn't need them. 364 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:55.319 Good stuff. And then when you actually came upon flat earth, 365 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:58.680 was there a one piece of information, whether it be 366 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:02.000 a YouTube video or something, where really hit home and 367 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:05.039 you understood that, man, this you know I've been lied to. 368 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:06.839 Yeah. 369 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:12.400 Actually, the craziest thing was I started making videos on 370 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:14.960 this one app called a I can't even remember what 371 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:17.240 it was, but I was like, you know, I'm starting 372 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:19.119 to think that maybe the Earth might be flat. But 373 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:22.079 I said, but I still definitely know that God and 374 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:24.880 Jesus aren't real. And I was at work one day 375 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:28.279 and something happened and I like tapped my headphones and 376 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:32.000 a podcast came on and it was why the Lie 377 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:34.359 of the Flat Earth Files? And I was like, what 378 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:37.319 is this? I was like I almost skipped it because 379 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:40.400 you were quoting the Bible, but then you started saying 380 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:43.400 firmament and I was like, what what is this word firmament? 381 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:45.400 Because out of all the years I had to go 382 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:48.599 to church, I know the Bible, I mean, and I 383 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:50.759 was like, I've never heard this word before and you 384 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:52.960 were like, it's in Genesis page one. And I just 385 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:55.160 as soon as I got off work that day, I 386 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:57.240 went to my parents' house to get my son and 387 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:00.279 I asked if they had a King James Bible and 388 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:02.400 they got me. My grandpas went out and I was like, 389 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:05.839 oh man, there it is, page right on Genesis firmament. 390 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:08.519 I was like, that's when it clicked and I was like, Wow, 391 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:11.799 the Earth is flat and God is real. I was like, man, 392 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.440 because it blew my mind. And anybody that knows me 393 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:18.920 knows that I just I never really cared about religion 394 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:22.079 or anything, and now I feel like it's pretty important 395 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:24.680 that you got to know that God is there and 396 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.519 we have a firmament. And you look outside the Earth 397 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:32.759 definitely not spinning. I try to show them pictures from 398 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:36.839 that flat earth. David Weiss is up of like the 399 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:39.119 Sun and all the planets are spinning around, and I'm like, 400 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:41.440 how come we've never ran into another galaxy? When they 401 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:43.839