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Speaker 3: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
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Speaker 3: your host is always George Hobbs. Hope everybody had a
Speaker 3: great weekend. We have a great guest standing by. His
Speaker 3: name is Jordan. Before we get to him, just a
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Speaker 3: show notes and the website, and without any further ado,
Speaker 3: let's bring on our guest again. His name is Jordan
Speaker 3: from Kansas. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 1: Sir, Thank you, sir. Good to be here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is good. Good to see you. And this
Speaker 3: is our second that the technology monsters got us the
Speaker 3: first first go round. But I think we're good to go. Now,
Speaker 3: go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 4: All right, my name is Jordan. I'm thirty four in Kansas.
Speaker 4: I have three kids. I got eleven year old daughter,
Speaker 4: seven year old son, and a five year old daughter.
Speaker 4: I'm from a small town in Kansas. It's got like
Speaker 4: ninety people. We have eleven roads. Only one of them's paved.
Speaker 4: The rest of them are dirt. I've been a welder
Speaker 4: for thirteen years. I currently I work at a company
Speaker 4: that they work on a bunch of stuff for the
Speaker 4: oil industry. We make, like asme, pressure vessels. So it's
Speaker 4: kind of cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just checked out your town on Google. It's
Speaker 3: you got the big I guess that's the water tower.
Speaker 3: It's silver. It says Collier on it, and there's maybe
Speaker 3: like a firehouse and a post office and you know what,
Speaker 3: I live in a what is considered a rural town,
Speaker 3: but nothing like you know, these real small towns are
Speaker 3: becoming farther and fewer between.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's pretty wild. Yeah, because yeah, growing up here,
Speaker 4: we didn't have anything to do except there was a
Speaker 4: lot more kids when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Has it always been you know, this amount of people
Speaker 3: always around one hundred?
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, since I moved here in third grade,
Speaker 4: and there's never been really over one hundred people.
Speaker 1: Probably.
Speaker 3: Wow, what's the nearest city to you?
Speaker 4: Like city city would probably be Wichita, Kansas. But if
Speaker 4: we want to get like groceries, we can go like
Speaker 4: forty five minutes to Hayes.
Speaker 3: Oh so you are really no Dollar General or anything there? Huh?
Speaker 1: Oh we have, I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have Dollar General eight miles away, and then
Speaker 4: another one twelve miles away.
Speaker 3: Okay, but still that's you're out there. That's we're living
Speaker 3: large now. We used to have to go the same
Speaker 3: about six miles to go to the Dollar General, and
Speaker 3: just a month ago they put one in our little area.
Speaker 3: So it's like, uh, we're we're living large now. We'd
Speaker 3: only have to drive a minute now to if we
Speaker 3: need you know, a milk or something like that.
Speaker 4: And you know what's crazy, you say that you live
Speaker 4: by the Amish.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: Here we have what's called the their Old German Baptists,
Speaker 4: and then we have like the Duncan Brethren and they
Speaker 4: have like no radios, no TVs, just house phones. And
Speaker 4: it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Ohio has a group like that Pennsylvania, Delaware
Speaker 3: And I wasn't aware there was what was the the
Speaker 3: German group. Were they Mennonites or are they something different?
Speaker 1: The Old German Baptists.
Speaker 3: Old German Baptist Okay, interesting, I need.
Speaker 1: To a lot of them moved to Ohio.
Speaker 3: Oh I believe that there's such a I think that's
Speaker 3: probably the biggest gathering of Amish in the country is
Speaker 3: in uh is in Ohio. Great stuff? Why don't we
Speaker 3: get started? Well, first of all, I wanted to ask
Speaker 3: you your your podcast is entitled Once Upon a Time
Speaker 3: seven eighty five, and I was wondering what the seven
Speaker 3: eighty five was. So I went to our friend Google
Speaker 3: and is it. What they say is that number symbolizes
Speaker 3: a sign of a fresh start.
Speaker 1: It's actually like our area code. Oh like so, and then.
Speaker 3: I've read too much into it. Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 4: It was originally just Once upon a seven eighty five,
Speaker 4: but after I found out that the Earth was flat,
Speaker 4: I changed it to that because I wanted it to
Speaker 4: with the algorithms and stuff.
Speaker 1: I wanted it to bring it up better.
Speaker 3: So, if I recall correctly in our email, your your
Speaker 3: podcast was originally it. I guess your awakening happened during
Speaker 3: your podcast. It didn't happen, and then you started it,
Speaker 3: so you kind of altered your podcast.
Speaker 1: Ye?
Speaker 3: Is that correct?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: I completely switched what it was about and everything.
Speaker 3: So tell the listeners a little bit about how your
Speaker 3: awakening came about and how it affected your life and
Speaker 3: to whom you aren't nowt today as a person.
Speaker 4: All right, I can, uh, because do you want me
Speaker 4: to start like where I like how I got into conspiracies?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely?
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: Uh, when I first saying that ever got me into
Speaker 4: conspiracies was a movie called Zeitgeist, and that like it
Speaker 4: blew my mind and it was actually like a double
Speaker 4: Like I grew up in the church, like my parents,
Speaker 4: I had to go to church every Sunday, and as
Speaker 4: a kid it kind of made me really resent church.
Speaker 4: Like I couldn't wait to just not have to go
Speaker 4: to church if I didn't want to. And then that
Speaker 4: movie Zeitgeist. They have the first parts about religion and
Speaker 4: they based it all off the stars, and that's what
Speaker 4: made me be like, I started to not really believe
Speaker 4: in the Bible or God or anything. It wasn't a
Speaker 4: priority to me. But then they had the nine to
Speaker 4: eleven part, and that blew my mind, and that was
Speaker 4: the first bit of like, I don't trust.
Speaker 1: The government or anything they say.
Speaker 4: But that was like in two thousand and eight when
Speaker 4: I watched that, And I can say I honestly didn't
Speaker 4: mess with conspiracies until like.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: And I didn't even like the podcasts until I made
Speaker 4: my own, and then I started listening to podcasts.
Speaker 3: It's interesting if I could jump in real quick. So Zeitgeist,
Speaker 3: nine to eleven was your first real awakening. So doing
Speaker 3: the math, you would have been about eleven when nine
Speaker 3: to eleven actually happened in two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: Yep, and I think sixth grade.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that sounds about right, And you know at
Speaker 3: that age you're not thinking, wow, that's falling at free
Speaker 3: fall speed and it's weird. You know, you're not doing
Speaker 3: that type of thinking. So you fast forward seventeen, you're
Speaker 3: like a senior in high school and you see Zeitgeist,
Speaker 3: and you know, even though you're only eighteen, you're still
Speaker 3: your mind has been molded to believe that the government
Speaker 3: is looking out for you. And then you watch this
Speaker 3: movie and it probably turned your world upside down to
Speaker 3: be introduced this at eighteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it completely did.
Speaker 4: I would be lying if I didn't say I didn't
Speaker 4: watch that movie every night for like that whole week
Speaker 4: because I just couldn't believe it. I didn't know about
Speaker 4: Building seven or anything.
Speaker 1: And then I just like that, there's no way that
Speaker 1: that happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And again I always say, if you were to
Speaker 3: stand outside of Walmart and ask just one hundred people
Speaker 3: walking in how many buildings fell in New York City
Speaker 3: on nine to eleven, ninety five percent of them would
Speaker 3: say two. You'd be lucky enough to find a couple
Speaker 3: of critical thinkers who have done a little bit of
Speaker 3: research and came across Szeitegeist or some quote unquote conspiracy,
Speaker 3: whether it be a video or a pamphlet or something.
Speaker 3: But again, it's very difficult. And I'm sure you understand
Speaker 3: too that it's difficult to get people to question these
Speaker 3: type of things, to even get them to sit down
Speaker 3: for five minutes and to look into them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's honestly, really really difficult because
Speaker 4: I started asking people like if they knew how far
Speaker 4: when the sun was, and they're like no, And I
Speaker 4: ask them if they think they'reth round or flat, and
Speaker 4: they're just like round, And I just ask them why
Speaker 4: and they always say I don't know. And I just
Speaker 4: find it weird why you wouldn't want to just because
Speaker 4: if you tell them the facts, they're going to say,
Speaker 4: you can't believe everything you read on the internet. And
Speaker 4: it's just I don't like that answer at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a little demeaning, like they kind of
Speaker 3: talked down to you. You know, Oh, you've been watching
Speaker 3: too many YouTube videos. That's that's the comment I get
Speaker 3: a lot. Oh yeah, So where where do you go
Speaker 3: from nine to eleven? What was the kind of next
Speaker 3: rabbit hole you ran into?
Speaker 4: I'd say it was when I started listening to podcasts
Speaker 4: in like twenty twenty one. I listened to these podcasts.
Speaker 4: One of them was like Theories of the third Kind,
Speaker 4: and they had an episode about Antarctica and I was like,
Speaker 4: what do you mean you can't.
Speaker 1: Go to Antarctica?
Speaker 4: That blew my mind because I was way older now
Speaker 4: and I was like, what do you mean we can't
Speaker 4: go there? And so I started looking into it and
Speaker 4: I was like, man, that's crazy, Like how can you
Speaker 4: not be allowed to go there? But I still was
Speaker 4: not even close to the Earth being flat. And I'd
Speaker 4: listened to some other episodes that people had with flat earthers,
Speaker 4: but I'm pretty sure one of them was part of
Speaker 4: the flatter Society.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know about that.
Speaker 4: But they would say certain things like why you don't
Speaker 4: see telephone poles or skyscrapers like a golden stuff, or
Speaker 4: like zooming in on Australia and showing us someone swimming
Speaker 4: upside down. I was like, you know, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: And I did have one thing I wanted to ask
Speaker 4: you real quick that I thought I always saw it
Speaker 4: as a little kid, and I wondered like if it
Speaker 4: like how it could make sense, like you know how
Speaker 4: they showed the globe and I always thought a kid,
Speaker 4: if you started digging a hole where you were at,
Speaker 4: you could eventually come out on the other side, right,
Speaker 4: But how would that work with gravity because they're stuck
Speaker 4: to the ball upside down and I'd be coming from
Speaker 4: the other side that then they'd probably just say there's magma.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. But there is a I guess it was
Speaker 3: a meme, meme, whatever you call it, or maybe somebody
Speaker 3: a previous guess at some point mentioned it. If you
Speaker 3: you know, if you were too it's not possible obviously,
Speaker 3: but if you were to dig a hole going in
Speaker 3: face down, you're not going to come out the same way.
Speaker 3: There's just so many fallacies with the globe, between the
Speaker 3: flights and everything else. And it goes back to what
Speaker 3: you said. You ask somebody how far away is the sun?
Speaker 3: They can't answer it. How fast? You know, one thing
Speaker 3: most people can answer. They can't answer usually how fast
Speaker 3: is the Earth spinning? They usually get pretty close to that,
Speaker 3: but anything else, moon numbers two hundred and thirty nine thousand,
Speaker 3: how fast we're chasing the Sun sixty six thousand, those
Speaker 3: type of things they can't really grasp onto. But so
Speaker 3: for me, going back to what your question was, what
Speaker 3: you had mentioned, scientism or you know, whatever, word you
Speaker 3: want to use for that, and you know it's obviously controlled.
Speaker 3: And their job is to fill in the blanks, to
Speaker 3: have an answer for everything, because you know, if you
Speaker 3: follow Christ and you read the Bible, you understand that
Speaker 3: there's a lot of answers for things, right, that we
Speaker 3: do live on a flat plane, that we are encased
Speaker 3: by the firmament, yea. But science has to have answers
Speaker 3: for everything else, right, And they come up with this
Speaker 3: nonsense like they can tell you what's at the center
Speaker 3: of the earth, which there's not really foreign a foundation, right,
Speaker 3: And I think the deepest hole is like seven and
Speaker 3: a half or eight miles. And it goes the same
Speaker 3: with medicine, right, Well, God didn't make you perfect, so
Speaker 3: you know, five minutes into childbirth they load up children
Speaker 3: with vaccines and all of these type of things. So
Speaker 3: you know, these things, these deceptions are just much bigger
Speaker 3: than money and power. It's really a spiritual.
Speaker 1: Battle, it is.
Speaker 4: And I mean I was just talking to my sister
Speaker 4: today and she is just like, I don't know how
Speaker 4: you can get so into this. She's like, I almost
Speaker 4: don't even want to know. And I was like, I
Speaker 4: feel like a lot of people they'd rather just not
Speaker 4: hear it because it's going to just flip their whole
Speaker 4: world upside down. And I said, I just scratched everything
Speaker 4: I ever learned and just started fresh. And I don't
Speaker 4: know that much, but I have beliefs, and I feel
Speaker 4: like they're a lot more solid than what I learned
Speaker 4: in a twelve year indoctrination school.
Speaker 3: And that is one of the things that you battle
Speaker 3: when you talk to people, is the indoctrination. And in
Speaker 3: many cases, not all, but many of the colleges that
Speaker 3: they even in doctor nats who even more. I just
Speaker 3: finished an interview about fifteen minutes of you coming on,
Speaker 3: and we were talking about if you take some time
Speaker 3: and you go on these major colleges websites, like every
Speaker 3: major college has their own newspaper, Like go to the
Speaker 3: University of Oregon's website, the University of Texas and look
Speaker 3: at the propaganda and how they are molding these these
Speaker 3: young adults like they're adults when they get to college,
Speaker 3: so you know they're adults, but they're young and they're
Speaker 3: really pushing this. For one, in an earthly word, it's communist,
Speaker 3: but in a in a in a spiritual world, it's
Speaker 3: Satanist and they are teaching everything that goes against biblical teachings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And I mean I I would always heard that.
Speaker 4: I thought they said that dinosaur fossils was where oil
Speaker 4: came from, right fossil, But I made Yeah, I made
Speaker 4: a video on TikTok last night and I went to
Speaker 4: the old Google and Google said that that's a that's fiction, like,
Speaker 4: that's not true.
Speaker 1: They're from these micro organisms.
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, I feel like I learned
Speaker 4: that in school, and I wondered, how come some of
Speaker 4: them dinosaurs turned into oil and then some turned into fossils,
Speaker 4: because that makes no sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another lie. And personally, I believe it's probably renewable.
Speaker 3: If you you know, obviously, you drain an oil field,
Speaker 3: you leave it alone for twenty thirty years, it probably
Speaker 3: renews itself. You can't tell me that Saudi Arabia has
Speaker 3: been milking that land for I mean, what for at
Speaker 3: least I'm just guessing here eighty years and they still
Speaker 3: have loads of that stuff and there. I've talked to
Speaker 3: individuals who have worked in the oil industry and said
Speaker 3: that it's it's renewable, not overnight not like a plant
Speaker 3: where you can drop a seed and no one comes,
Speaker 3: but over time it will.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If you ask Google, it says fossil fuels are non
Speaker 3: renewable energy sources that were formed from the remains of
Speaker 3: prehistoric plants and animals.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I was literally talking to my parents like thirty
Speaker 4: minutes ago, and I said, I think that oil's just
Speaker 4: as renewable and abundant.
Speaker 1: As water is.
Speaker 4: Indeed, and I heard from you that like Rockfeller is
Speaker 4: the one who made the word fossil feel so they
Speaker 4: could make it seem like it's not it's scarce, so
Speaker 4: they can raise and lower the price. And if they
Speaker 4: could do something to make a bug, I feel like
Speaker 4: they totally.
Speaker 3: Will, oh, one hundred percent. And then you can even
Speaker 3: go back to Tesla. I believe he created free energy,
Speaker 3: and you can't have free energy because they have to
Speaker 3: the whole system of the matrix is meant to deplete
Speaker 3: people and make you work harder and harder. So that see,
Speaker 3: that keeps you away from your family because you have
Speaker 3: Johnny off at school, and instead of being there and
Speaker 3: educated them yourself, you have to work fifty sixty hours
Speaker 3: a week to pay the electric bill to pay for
Speaker 3: the gas bill. And listen, if it turns out, if
Speaker 3: it gets out that oil is renewable and they're lying
Speaker 3: about it, well sure they can charge for it, but
Speaker 3: they can't charge like they are now. They could charge
Speaker 3: for like water, you know, twenty five cents a gallon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's totally true.
Speaker 4: And I mean, I've there's so much stuff just listening
Speaker 4: to you that I've just like it makes so much
Speaker 4: more sense now, Like I don't know, it was kind
Speaker 4: of depressing to be like, man, I can't believe. I
Speaker 4: thought I knew conspiracies and I had no clue. And
Speaker 4: even conspiracies, that's a word they made to make people
Speaker 4: seem like they don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 3: That's right, that crazy George. He's a conspiracy theorist. The
Speaker 3: FBI put that in in the sixties. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So now, I guess in an order of precedence here,
Speaker 3: you would have come upon flat Earth during COVID. Have
Speaker 3: you had or I should say, did you have any
Speaker 3: kind of questions when this was going on in March
Speaker 3: and going forward in twenty twenty prior to coming upon
Speaker 3: the flat Earth?
Speaker 4: I don't know if you need to put a mark there.
Speaker 4: Someone was trying to call me and I just denied him.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you're good.
Speaker 1: It didn't come through, Okay, Like with COVID.
Speaker 4: I had actually just lost my job before COVID happened,
Speaker 4: and so that whole year of twenty twenty, I didn't
Speaker 4: have I was unemployed, and I definitely knew that COVID
Speaker 4: was a scam and I wasn't gonna I didn't get
Speaker 4: no vaccine. I didn't do anything like that. And I
Speaker 4: tried to get everybody I knew not to get the vaccine,
Speaker 4: but I just didn't do that because I didn't trust
Speaker 4: the government ever since nine to eleven. Like flu shots,
Speaker 4: I didn't get those. I didn't need them.
Speaker 3: Good stuff. And then when you actually came upon flat earth,
Speaker 3: was there a one piece of information, whether it be
Speaker 3: a YouTube video or something, where really hit home and
Speaker 3: you understood that, man, this you know I've been lied to.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Actually, the craziest thing was I started making videos on
Speaker 4: this one app called a I can't even remember what
Speaker 4: it was, but I was like, you know, I'm starting
Speaker 4: to think that maybe the Earth might be flat. But
Speaker 4: I said, but I still definitely know that God and
Speaker 4: Jesus aren't real. And I was at work one day
Speaker 4: and something happened and I like tapped my headphones and
Speaker 4: a podcast came on and it was why the Lie
Speaker 4: of the Flat Earth Files? And I was like, what
Speaker 4: is this? I was like I almost skipped it because
Speaker 4: you were quoting the Bible, but then you started saying
Speaker 4: firmament and I was like, what what is this word firmament?
Speaker 4: Because out of all the years I had to go
Speaker 4: to church, I know the Bible, I mean, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I've never heard this word before and you
Speaker 4: were like, it's in Genesis page one. And I just
Speaker 4: as soon as I got off work that day, I
Speaker 4: went to my parents' house to get my son and
Speaker 4: I asked if they had a King James Bible and
Speaker 4: they got me. My grandpas went out and I was like,
Speaker 4: oh man, there it is, page right on Genesis firmament.
Speaker 4: I was like, that's when it clicked and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 4: the Earth is flat and God is real. I was like, man,
Speaker 4: because it blew my mind. And anybody that knows me
Speaker 4: knows that I just I never really cared about religion
Speaker 4: or anything, and now I feel like it's pretty important
Speaker 4: that you got to know that God is there and
Speaker 4: we have a firmament. And you look outside the Earth
Speaker 4: definitely not spinning. I try to show them pictures from
Speaker 4: that flat earth. David Weiss is up of like the
Speaker 4: Sun and all the planets are spinning around, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: how come we've never ran into another galaxy? When they
Speaker 4: say there's all these other planets, we've never had anything
Speaker 4: hit us.
Speaker 1: The meteors almost come, but then they don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are all great points. And Dave's app is
Speaker 3: so awesome. Every single day you get a new nugget
Speaker 3: and it's only a couple of minutes, but it reinforces.
Speaker 3: It is very helpful. I've been able to you know,
Speaker 3: if somebody asked me a question, you know, I can
Speaker 3: put it in the search bar and find a video
Speaker 3: that explains it much better than you know, maybe I can.
Speaker 3: And it's easy to gift. I think it's three dollars
Speaker 3: and I've gifted it to many people. Some people have
Speaker 3: used it, some people have not. And for three bucks,
Speaker 3: you know whatever, but it is life changing, and that's
Speaker 3: awesome to hear that. It's just random. You were on
Speaker 3: Spotify and you weren't even searching flat earth stuff. It
Speaker 3: just popped on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I had like I try to put
Speaker 4: a bunch of them in my queue, uh huh, and
Speaker 4: if I double tap it, it'll like skip forward, and
Speaker 4: I don't it made like a special like ding and
Speaker 4: then I don't know. It was probably divine intervention and
Speaker 4: it just came on because God was probably like I'm
Speaker 4: not going to let you believe in flat earth and
Speaker 4: not me, And I mean it was I feel like
Speaker 4: it was meant to happen because that was the day
Speaker 4: that it changed my life.
Speaker 1: And that's right.
Speaker 4: Not only is like the Earth's definitely flat, but God
Speaker 4: is totally real.
Speaker 1: And I thought, you.
Speaker 4: Know, maybe if I try to come at people with
Speaker 4: Bible they would believe it more. And I don't know,
Speaker 4: some people they just they're like my version says this,
Speaker 4: and I just it's hard.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing. And again I'm not in business
Speaker 3: to tell people what to do. But you know, it
Speaker 3: goes back to the you know, every time that you
Speaker 3: transcript something or what's the word I'm looking for? Every
Speaker 3: time you you know, if you go to NIV or
Speaker 3: something else. Every time something is transcribed, it loses meaning
Speaker 3: and you know whether it's intentional or not. People have
Speaker 3: an agenda, right, Well, people can't understand these words, so
Speaker 3: I'm just going to use this. But again, every time
Speaker 3: you translate something, it loses meaning. That's why.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Two things that I've learned to do since I became
Speaker 3: a flat Earth. There is King James version Bible. But
Speaker 3: I also use strongs concordance. If there's a word I
Speaker 3: don't understand, I copy and paste it and put it
Speaker 3: in there and it gives you either the Hebrew or
Speaker 3: Greek meaning of the word, and then it makes if anything,
Speaker 3: it's made me a better Bible reader.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I tell people there's way more than just
Speaker 4: the firmament in the Bible that shows that we're on
Speaker 4: a level plane, like He watches us above, like we're
Speaker 4: grasshoppers the four corners of the Earth. And it never
Speaker 4: says that we're spinning and ever expanding.
Speaker 3: Yep, jo was it. Job thirty seven to ten says
Speaker 3: the waters are straight, not curved. Just it's out there
Speaker 3: and again everything and the more you get into this realm,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure you've you've experienced it over the last
Speaker 3: three years, since you've kind of dove into the conspiracy realm.
Speaker 3: You understand that almost everything at best is a little
Speaker 3: bit of truth sprinkled with a lot of lies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I tell people like it's once you start
Speaker 4: just forgetting everything and starting over. I mean, there's so
Speaker 4: much you can get into. Like I started to going
Speaker 4: live on TikTok and we were talking one night on
Speaker 4: live about dinosaurs maybe not being real on the Earth
Speaker 4: being flat, and they suspended me from going live for
Speaker 4: hate speech.
Speaker 3: Are you serious?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. It was super weird.
Speaker 4: But I got an appeal and they gave me my
Speaker 4: live status back. So there's actually a lot of information
Speaker 4: on TikTok.
Speaker 3: There is one hundred percent there really is. That's interesting
Speaker 3: and it's crazy. You see some of the people who
Speaker 3: do things on TikTok, but if you try to talk
Speaker 3: about God or flat Earth or anything like that, you
Speaker 3: get that they try to strip that away from you.
Speaker 3: That should that should tell you something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've started they'll make it so some of
Speaker 4: my videos are like limited access because I said something
Speaker 4: about like his story is written by the winners and
Speaker 4: it's his story, And they said something like they believe
Speaker 4: in everyone being able to have their own opinions unless
Speaker 4: it's these things that are actually not even close to
Speaker 4: being true.
Speaker 3: So basically that's going back to the old fact checker stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's that's something now.
Speaker 4: And I've gotten really into the index because of your
Speaker 4: ship too.
Speaker 1: I always tell people, if you.
Speaker 4: Want to figure out if something's true, go to Google
Speaker 4: and then go toy Index and compare it.
Speaker 3: It's not even close. And I just interviewed someone last night.
Speaker 3: He had mentioned that he had been introduced to the
Speaker 3: flat Earth and he went to of all places, Google
Speaker 3: and sure enough, every single thing was how ridiculous the
Speaker 3: flat earth was. We actually stopped looking and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: through through God's works. He came back to it again
Speaker 3: like a year later, and he did use an alternate
Speaker 3: search engine and he started to realize that, you know,
Speaker 3: the lie and all of these things. You know, you
Speaker 3: really have to and that's a sad state. You know,
Speaker 3: we talk about awesome technology is, but at the same time,
Speaker 3: like in your case, you have to like be careful
Speaker 3: of what you say on TikTok or you could lose
Speaker 3: your platform, you know, or you know, searching for things.
Speaker 3: It's just a shame that we have to go out
Speaker 3: of our way to special search engines to find the truth.
Speaker 3: And that really just goes to show how controlled everything is,
Speaker 3: and that if the if the biggest search engine in
Speaker 3: the world is controlled, then maybe that should get people
Speaker 3: to understand NASA how that's controlled and everything else how
Speaker 3: the world works. It's controlled by the same few organizations,
Speaker 3: Black Rock, Vanguard, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And I tell people all the time, like,
Speaker 4: if you don't believe the moon landing was true, then
Speaker 4: why would you believe anything else that they've ever said, Like,
Speaker 4: there's so much evidence to debunk that space is not
Speaker 4: even close to what they say it is.
Speaker 1: And we didn't go to the moon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and anybody who does, you know, just a little
Speaker 3: bit of research will quickly understand that we never went
Speaker 3: to the moon, just just by debunking the basic things.
Speaker 3: And that goes to exactly what you just said, Jordan.
Speaker 3: If if they lied about man's greatest accomplishment, you have
Speaker 3: to assume that they're lying about everything else.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So.
Speaker 4: But I feel like there's also go ahead, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: you go ahead. I don't know if it was on
Speaker 4: here or I heard it somewhere else, but you know,
Speaker 4: people will be like, you know, they don't trust the government.
Speaker 4: But then the government releases some file that says aliens
Speaker 4: are real, and like, oh, aliens real. It's like, so
Speaker 4: we pick and choose what we believe from the government.
Speaker 4: That makes it hard too, it does.
Speaker 3: But I tell people, whether it's an acquaintance or whatever,
Speaker 3: if you consider somebody a friend and they continue to
Speaker 3: lie to you and let you down, would you continue
Speaker 3: to befriend them or would you kind of stay away
Speaker 3: from them if they continually lie? Right, If your neighbor
Speaker 3: comes over and lies and you know, NonStop about things,
Speaker 3: you're eventually going to be like, hey, hey, Joe, listen.
Speaker 3: You know, we'll be neighbors and we'll wave. But you know,
Speaker 3: I just don't have the time because you're lying all
Speaker 3: the time. But and this is where you got to
Speaker 3: give credit to, you know, the people who have created
Speaker 3: this matrix is and I said it on the other
Speaker 3: podcast two years ago. Right, people were hip to Trump
Speaker 3: to warp speed, Right, you're a flat earthro but you
Speaker 3: know he did space force and all these other things.
Speaker 3: And people were kind of waking up to the left
Speaker 3: right paradigm scheme. But I said, watch come November of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, people are going to slowly gravitate back
Speaker 3: to the hopium. And so many people did. And we're
Speaker 3: only two weeks after the election, and every person he
Speaker 3: was nominated is swamp monsters. And again it's the system.
Speaker 3: The system that is created by man will continue to
Speaker 3: fail you if you believe in it, if you trust
Speaker 3: in it, if you involved in it. Right, you are
Speaker 3: of this world, but don't be in this world.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I just did an episode on my podcast about
Speaker 4: how the United States when it was formed and became
Speaker 4: a corporation, and I just the government's all been like
Speaker 4: a big scam since way before.
Speaker 1: I was born.
Speaker 4: And that's why I'm trying to tell my parents this.
Speaker 4: They don't they don't want to believe that, because I mean,
Speaker 4: that's a lot more years than me of being lied to.
Speaker 3: Man. That's great stuff. And I want to come back
Speaker 3: to because I still have your silver bullets and other things.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you, but could we jump into
Speaker 3: that for a few minutes, because that's something I've looked into.
Speaker 3: There's you know, birth certificates. Was it the Organic Act
Speaker 3: of eighteen seventy one, the Reconstruction period, when basically you
Speaker 3: know our country became a corporation. Can you speak on
Speaker 3: that for a few minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I got it right here. I found this.
Speaker 4: PDF document and it is it's awesome, Like they this
Speaker 4: guy breaks it down from like.
Speaker 1: When it let me find my bookmarks?
Speaker 3: Was that the guy on YouTube from like ten fifteen
Speaker 3: years ago? Who is the speech the lecture?
Speaker 4: No, because all I found was a pdf. Oh okay, okay,
Speaker 4: and uh oh where is it?
Speaker 1: Oh? Here we go?
Speaker 4: Nope, oops, oh no, prong one. Let me figure out
Speaker 4: where I put it. Sorry, I just got all these
Speaker 4: windows open on my computer.
Speaker 1: Nope, that's not it either. I'm pretty sure it was
Speaker 1: in eighteen. I shouldn't have deleted my closed all my tabs.
Speaker 4: That was a bad idea. Maybe I'm not gonna be
Speaker 4: able to find it that stink.
Speaker 1: Here. Maybe this is it. I should have been a
Speaker 1: little more prepared.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I the pdf, it's like one hundred and
Speaker 4: seventy some pages. So I told I'm gonna have to
Speaker 4: do it in like four different episodes. Okay, Yeah, everything
Speaker 4: you know about the United States and its law is
Speaker 4: wrong by John Henry Hill, And it was. He wrote
Speaker 4: it in April twenty six, twenty thirteen. He breaks down
Speaker 4: like common law, contract law, admiralty law definitions and like
Speaker 4: how they use legallyes and like I got a black
Speaker 4: Slaw dictionary app on my phone just to kind of
Speaker 4: show people like they say that human being means monster
Speaker 4: in the certain ways you talk in court, like shall
Speaker 4: If they say shall, that means like you can, you
Speaker 4: may or may not do something.
Speaker 1: You're not obligated, you have a choice. So similar to
Speaker 1: what well he cites it with all the laws.
Speaker 3: Oh go ahead, I'm sorry. I was just saying similar
Speaker 3: to what Jordan Maxwell says.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because I I put some of Jordan Maxwell's
Speaker 4: videos in that episode too, because I first heard him
Speaker 4: on your was it the Fact Hunter when he breaks
Speaker 4: down the admiralty law and how it's like riverbanks and
Speaker 4: you go to court yep, And I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's that makes so much more sense, and uh, because
Speaker 4: I the first part of that episode is just pretty
Speaker 4: much trying to say that you know, you don't have
Speaker 4: to have a driver's license to travel on the road,
Speaker 4: and there's I mean, I haven't tried doing any of
Speaker 4: that yet, just because I see a lot of videos
Speaker 4: on TikTok and you most of them, they do have
Speaker 4: to go to jail sometimes and then they'll sue them.
Speaker 4: But I'm not at a point in my life where
Speaker 4: i can just go to jail and then try to
Speaker 4: sue the police.
Speaker 3: And that is the thing I have listeners. I have
Speaker 3: people on the podcast who have done that. They've said
Speaker 3: they haven't gotten tags, their registration renew don't have a license,
Speaker 3: haven't paid taxes. And again it's up to the individual.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody's at a different point in their life
Speaker 3: to where just like if you believe the official story
Speaker 3: about the founding fathers, right when they signed the Declaration
Speaker 3: of Independence, they were all considered traders, right, and yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's how the government would see us, right, Well,
Speaker 3: you don't want to play our game, then we're going
Speaker 3: to throw you in jail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've had so many years.
Speaker 4: I mean when they started doing all this and they
Speaker 4: created like the Uniform Commercial Code and all the statutes,
Speaker 4: Like technically we shouldn't have to listen to any of
Speaker 4: that because we're not in Washington, d C. And I
Speaker 4: don't want to be part of their corporation. It wasn't
Speaker 4: my choice to get a birth certificate.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Washington, d C. Is it like a
Speaker 3: ten square mile city in itself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I've heard people say that, like it's DC
Speaker 4: is like the military version, and then London is the banks,
Speaker 4: the banks, and then yeah, the Vatican's religious church. Yes,
Speaker 4: And I didn't know that they all had their own,
Speaker 4: like their own little areas, like they're not part of
Speaker 4: where they are. Like, I've learned a lot and it's
Speaker 4: people think it's depressing, but I think it's it's awesome.
Speaker 4: I love learning stuff and trying to go towards what
Speaker 4: I think is the actual truth.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's intriguing and freeing. At the same time.
Speaker 3: The thing with John Henry Hill and there have been
Speaker 3: many other people who have put out this type of
Speaker 3: information is it's the minutia of it, and you have
Speaker 3: to be very disciplined and read it because this document,
Speaker 3: what is it, one hundred and six pages long?
Speaker 1: One hundred and eight pages long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's a lot, and it talks about one
Speaker 3: thing that is true when I've heard many times is transportation. Right,
Speaker 3: that's supposed to be defined as the movement of goods
Speaker 3: engaged in commerce. Right, So yeah, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 3: If we're not if we're just driving to work or
Speaker 3: driving to school, we're not engaged in commerce, why are
Speaker 3: we having to pay for these things?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the whole you shouldn't have to give your
Speaker 4: ID for like they can't walk up to you and
Speaker 4: just say, hey, give me your ID. Like there's a
Speaker 4: lot of things. I just feel like we have basic
Speaker 4: rights that they just they don't get.
Speaker 1: They don't listen to us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, most of the Americans are good people,
Speaker 3: and we're we've become a little too las a fair
Speaker 3: I think if you go back to the Christians of
Speaker 3: the sixteen hundreds, they didn't play They made laws based
Speaker 3: on the Bible. They didn't do random laws. And if
Speaker 3: there was something that was done that someone need to
Speaker 3: be accountable for, they dealt with it and they moved on.
Speaker 3: You know. Here and again, I'm not condoning. This isn't
Speaker 3: about prisoner rights or anything like that. I'm not standing
Speaker 3: up and defending bad people. But when you have someone
Speaker 3: who is nineteen years old makes a mistake and they
Speaker 3: have what this current system does, it puts them in
Speaker 3: debt even more legal fees findes. You know, these type
Speaker 3: of things in the Bible, we're supposed to. And again,
Speaker 3: this is all these things, the entire system. It's a
Speaker 3: very delicate thing to talk about, but you know, we
Speaker 3: do need wholesale change in this country. People complain about it. Well,
Speaker 3: then what's the answer. What do we do? I did
Speaker 3: an entire podcast on the prison industrial complex in Texas.
Speaker 3: I think sixty or seventy percent of those prisons are
Speaker 3: private and guess what if they fall under like ninety
Speaker 3: percent capacity, they lose contract incentive. So you think about that,
Speaker 3: That is really nuts. It benefits corporations to keep people
Speaker 3: in prison.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and actually it's crazy that you said that, because
Speaker 4: the place that I work at now and the place
Speaker 4: that I worked at before this, there's a prison, a
Speaker 4: small one out here, and they actually both had prisoners
Speaker 4: from that prison come there, and they were a private industry.
Speaker 4: And that's when I actually learned that if you have
Speaker 4: a job and you're in prison, you got to pay
Speaker 4: rent to be in prison.
Speaker 1: And I learned a lot from those inmates.
Speaker 4: And yeah, they said that if they get under a
Speaker 4: certain amount of people there, then though that prison will
Speaker 4: get shut down, so they got to keep it stocked.
Speaker 3: That's a true statement. And you know, I can give
Speaker 3: you a thousand cases of judges who've been corrupted. And again,
Speaker 3: we've just built a system that benefits the government. It governments,
Speaker 3: the bankers, and you know the people. We the people,
Speaker 3: if you will, are usually the ones who come in
Speaker 3: last place when it comes to benefits.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, because isn't that the whole point of the
Speaker 4: Second Amendment? Is that why we can have guns, is
Speaker 4: we need to overthrow the government.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, Joe average on the street will tell you
Speaker 3: it's to go Honting. They don't really understand why they
Speaker 3: created that. They've realized what's the famous saying, if the
Speaker 3: government fears you, there'll be peace. But if you fear
Speaker 3: the government, you're looking at some bad times.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I hear you say that the constitution's not
Speaker 4: it doesn't work anymore, and I feel like, yeah, every
Speaker 4: day it is becoming like it's irrelevant.
Speaker 3: Right, they'll cite it, you know, the politicians will be
Speaker 3: more than happy to cite Look, you're free. This paper
Speaker 3: says so. But that's like you know, buying a car
Speaker 3: and here's your warranty. You're covered for three miles, you know,
Speaker 3: for three years, and then something happens and you go
Speaker 3: back say, hey, look, you know the transmission is shot
Speaker 3: and oh no, if you look down here, there's a
Speaker 3: little asterisk says if you know that part's in particular's
Speaker 3: not cover, which you could kind of correlate to you
Speaker 3: see the Patriot Act here, that's why we're allowed to
Speaker 3: shut down your habeas corpus.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you don't pay your bill, we'll come
Speaker 4: get it because it's really still our car.
Speaker 1: We always own it.
Speaker 3: Exactly the same with property taxes, right, yeah, you pay
Speaker 3: it off your house, and you see people burn their
Speaker 3: their mortgage papers, and but you still have to pay.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what the matrix is all about, continuously
Speaker 3: draining you, to keep you busy, to keep you working,
Speaker 3: to keep you away from the important things. Right. I
Speaker 3: think God created this world for us to enjoy, to
Speaker 3: exist with each other, to try to make each other
Speaker 3: better people. Instead, you know what man has done as
Speaker 3: the very few people at the top with extreme greed,
Speaker 3: corruption and power, they start wars because the bankers make
Speaker 3: so much and they believe there should only be x
Speaker 3: amount of people living on earth to see. You know,
Speaker 3: the Georgia Guidestones Rule number one and we buy into
Speaker 3: all that stuff, and again, a lot of that is
Speaker 3: on us.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
Speaker 4: And I mean I didn't I was this is I
Speaker 4: don't know if this is a side track. But I've
Speaker 4: seen a video today and I didn't know it was
Speaker 4: Donald Trump's daughter, but her name's Laura Trump. I think yes,
Speaker 4: and she was on some talk show saying that the
Speaker 4: Earth was flat.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, because I had to ask my.
Speaker 4: Parents if they knew who it was, and they're like,
Speaker 4: that's Donald Trump's daughter from like his first marriage, And
Speaker 4: I was like, what I can, I can send you
Speaker 4: the video?
Speaker 3: Yeah, please do, because last I heard her father was
Speaker 3: the one who created space for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And he's got Elon Musk there, and Elon Musk he
Speaker 4: doesn't believe. He thinks that it's full of liquid hot
Speaker 4: magna because IVE seen a video right after that when
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan asked him if he gave any thought to
Speaker 4: the flat Earth, then he just laughed. But I feel
Speaker 4: like it's becoming more. People talk about it more because
Speaker 4: they had a thing on a family feud, Like what
Speaker 4: would you do if you're on a date and your
Speaker 4: date told you the Earth is flat, and the number
Speaker 4: one answer would agree with them.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, that's that is interesting because I think we
Speaker 3: are we we're obviously making progress getting the message out.
Speaker 3: But what will happen eventually once not everyone, but when
Speaker 3: a large portion of people finally understand the world is flat,
Speaker 3: what they will do is another psychological operation. They'll either
Speaker 3: a say, well, you know this is flat, but and
Speaker 3: then they'll put the spin on it, or they may
Speaker 3: even if you know, people too many people wake up.
Speaker 3: But I just think I don't think they care anymore.
Speaker 3: I don't think they really do because they know we
Speaker 3: may talk about it, but they know we're docile and
Speaker 3: we're not going to you know, we're not going to
Speaker 3: really do anything about it. NASA will continue to get
Speaker 3: their seventy million a day, and or maybe if they
Speaker 3: feel threatened, they'll pull a you know, Project Bluebeam.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean that's when you when you say docile,
Speaker 4: that just always makes me think of like I recently
Speaker 4: quit using deodorant at all. I just use like alcohol
Speaker 4: and are some essential oils. And I don't use fluoride
Speaker 4: in my toothpaste because that makes you docile. And I
Speaker 4: don't want to be controlled by anything anymore, Like there's
Speaker 4: all the radiation and E MF from everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And we've been off fluoride for many years
Speaker 3: and then we got off the deodorant, but we do.
Speaker 3: I think my wife orders it from I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's a homestead or somebody. It's all natural, no
Speaker 3: aluminum or anything, and it's just a locally owned deodorant.
Speaker 3: But there's no aluminum or anything like that. And those
Speaker 3: things do matter. You do see things more clearly, you know.
Speaker 3: We also pay attention to things like bioengineer food, which
Speaker 3: if you go down this oh yeah, this cereal aisle
Speaker 3: which has like the pop tarts, the cereal, the granola bars,
Speaker 3: like every single one of those boxes has bioengineered things
Speaker 3: that it's just you know, I've said before. They're poisonous
Speaker 3: via the air, with chemtrails, through the food, with water,
Speaker 3: with fluoride, vaccines. It's literally warfare against God's creation, and
Speaker 3: it's hard to get people to see otherwise. It does
Speaker 3: take in some cases, it does take these significant type
Speaker 3: of events for people to wake up, like COVID, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean some people they totally they tell
Speaker 4: me that, like, yeah, they didn't get the vaccine because
Speaker 4: they didn't trust it. But I don't know, I just
Speaker 4: try to get them to try to If you don't
Speaker 4: believe that, then you should try.
Speaker 1: To look into this.
Speaker 4: Like I try to send people just little videos or
Speaker 4: stuff just to try to get them to maybe, yeah,
Speaker 4: think about it.
Speaker 3: That's why it was for me. Like, you know, I
Speaker 3: had a Facebook, very few people, just mostly family friends,
Speaker 3: just to say hi to them, and I'd post a
Speaker 3: picture of the chickens or you know whatever, just little things.
Speaker 3: And then every now and then, if I've really felt,
Speaker 3: you know, something like maybe this, you know, forty five
Speaker 3: second video, two minute video, just maybe you know, my
Speaker 3: friend who I went to high school with, he'll see
Speaker 3: that and he'll ask questions and then you know, I
Speaker 3: look two days later and like, not even one person
Speaker 3: liked it. So I'm just like, all right, well, And
Speaker 3: that's really I think it speaks to the nature of people,
Speaker 3: is they would rather see dancing chickens and you know,
Speaker 3: cat fails rather than take the time and look into
Speaker 3: their reality.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I used to ask people at work, like
Speaker 4: I'll give you a hundred dollars right now if you
Speaker 4: can prove gravity and this one guy. He would always
Speaker 4: just be like he'd jump up and he'd come back
Speaker 4: down and he's like, where's my money?
Speaker 1: And I was like, that doesn't prove anything to me.
Speaker 4: That means you're heavier than the air and you obviously
Speaker 4: can't float, so there's buoyancy in density.
Speaker 3: I know A sou As just said that he was
Speaker 3: going to jump up in the air.
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 4: There you go, yeah, And I was like, that's not
Speaker 4: going to work. You can't prove gravity.
Speaker 3: And that's where it's too bad. You don't have you know,
Speaker 3: like a a helium balloon. You just like a why
Speaker 3: if gravity can pull you down, why is this Why
Speaker 3: is this you know, balloon allowed to float away? Why
Speaker 3: are the clouds just floating there? Why is this butterfly
Speaker 3: just floating aimlessly above it? We have been lied to
Speaker 3: and again I've said this beore. It's like you don't
Speaker 3: discipline a child for the first sixteen years of their
Speaker 3: life and then all of a sudden you want to
Speaker 3: start laying the law down. Good luck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean, don't they say like light as
Speaker 4: a cloud, but I've seen clouds are like millions of
Speaker 4: pounds then, so that makes no sense that they can
Speaker 4: just float and stuff and they don't come down. And
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, spinning the bucket with water. I remember
Speaker 4: seeing that. I try all these things, just like, if
Speaker 4: you believe it, then can you explain why this happens?
Speaker 1: But they can't.
Speaker 3: They can't, And I wonder, I'm always thinking of stuff.
Speaker 3: What if that's a si oup? Because Google tells us
Speaker 3: that the weight of a cloud depends on its size,
Speaker 3: but a typical cumulus cloud weighs about one point one
Speaker 3: million pounds, or the equivalent of one hundred elephants. So
Speaker 3: I mean, if you use the science and their accounting,
Speaker 3: then there's no way the cloud should be up there.
Speaker 3: But again, yeah, and that's what I tell people exactly.
Speaker 3: But then it goes back to how do they weigh
Speaker 3: a cloud? How do they don't always one point one million?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, how can they tell the sun's ninety three
Speaker 4: million miles away? How did they figure that math out?
Speaker 4: Because I say, no way, you can't tell me something's
Speaker 4: light years away because I just don't believe that math.
Speaker 4: I think that's totally they just make it up to
Speaker 4: fit their narrative.
Speaker 3: What since we're kind of back down this road, do
Speaker 3: you want to lay out your six silver bullets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got them right here.
Speaker 4: Actually, I was kind of I wanted to try to
Speaker 4: find the ones that were like the ones that really
Speaker 4: got me solidified. And the first one, which was was
Speaker 4: really hard for me to believe that it was to
Speaker 4: be the one that got me in it. But it
Speaker 4: was the firmament and being in the Bible. That was
Speaker 4: just one that's like, if you believe in the Bible,
Speaker 4: then I don't know how you couldn't understand that. And
Speaker 4: my second is where I live in Kansas. They say
Speaker 4: Kansas is flatter than a pancake, which that already would
Speaker 4: be impossible on a globe, but they say the humans
Speaker 4: average line of sights like three miles. But there's a
Speaker 4: town twelve miles away and every single night you can
Speaker 4: see all the lights and everything. And I went and
Speaker 4: did the eight inch proof mile squared and it said
Speaker 4: there should be fifty seven feet of curvature, so there'd
Speaker 4: be no way I could see that town.
Speaker 1: But you can see the town on.
Speaker 4: To the other side of US eight miles away, and
Speaker 4: then there's some even farther than that and you can
Speaker 4: see them too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a blessing. For you. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of people who live in New York City, Baltimore, Tampa.
Speaker 3: There's a thing called light pollution. And because you have
Speaker 3: such little light pollution, you are able to see the
Speaker 3: star is much clear at night and able to see
Speaker 3: these locations further and further away.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I mean, I just if you can see that
Speaker 4: and there should be fifty seven feet of curve, then.
Speaker 1: That just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I'd say three is water always finds this level,
Speaker 4: and it's got to be in a container. And rivers
Speaker 4: they don't go they shouldn't go north, And doesn't the
Speaker 4: Mississippi go north?
Speaker 1: Like in a bunch of different spots.
Speaker 3: I think the big one is was it the Nile?
Speaker 1: Okay, it is a Nile.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fact checking myself in real time. Yes, the
Speaker 3: Nile River flows north from south to northeastern Africa. So
Speaker 3: and of course, you know, Neil deGrasse Tyson and his
Speaker 3: friends will come up with the reason why it does.
Speaker 3: He even did a video a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 3: explaining why some field goal kicker on the Tampa Bay
Speaker 3: Buccaneers missed the field goal because the earth was spinning
Speaker 3: I'm just like, what do we do?
Speaker 1: Oh wow? Did he really say that?
Speaker 3: He really? I don't know if it was Tampa Bay,
Speaker 3: but somebody like hit the upright or missed a field goal,
Speaker 3: and he he did a whole three minute video on
Speaker 3: gravity causing the steam to lose the game.
Speaker 4: But we can't take a helicopter straight up and just
Speaker 4: hang out and come back down at a different.
Speaker 1: Part of the world exactly. Wow.
Speaker 4: And then I'd say four is probably you can't have
Speaker 4: pressurized gas without a container. And I looked where they
Speaker 4: said they try to explain it away with the atmosphere
Speaker 4: and all this other stuff, but I know there's a
Speaker 4: firmament and that's how we have all the gases that
Speaker 4: we have here. And then I'd say five is the
Speaker 4: sun rays because anytime I see the sun rays coming
Speaker 4: out of a cloud and I'm like, how could it
Speaker 4: be ninety three million miles away or whatever, and it
Speaker 4: literally just looks like it's right there. People take pictures
Speaker 4: of like on a plane and you can just see
Speaker 4: like this, the sun floating there, and I think that
Speaker 4: they're in the firmament exactly that.
Speaker 3: The Sculler rays, I think they call them, is a huge.
Speaker 3: You know, the way they come through the clouds. There's
Speaker 3: no way they would come through like that at ninety
Speaker 3: three million miles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then wouldn't it technically have been like light
Speaker 4: in space when they went to the moon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the other thing people talk about. If
Speaker 3: the sun is so bright, why is space dark? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: To me, none whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And then I'd say six is probably just like flight past.
Speaker 4: And I mean they call it an air plane. They
Speaker 4: don't adjust for curve. It's ho rising, not curve rising,
Speaker 4: sea level not sea curve. I tell people, if you
Speaker 4: just look at the word, it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 4: Like they build construction level with the earth.
Speaker 3: Yep, they use levels, and there's water bubbles and you
Speaker 3: know that's what they use the level for.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean there's a bunch of other things, but those
Speaker 4: are my probably the six that I would try to
Speaker 4: get people to.
Speaker 1: Have them think about it.
Speaker 3: No, I'm probably backtracking just a little bit. But when
Speaker 3: you first became aware and started diving deep into to
Speaker 3: flat earth, were you like me? Were you excited? And
Speaker 3: were you did you figure like, I'm going to share
Speaker 3: this information with my friends and family and they're going
Speaker 3: to be excited like I am.
Speaker 4: Oh, I yeah, Actually I couldn't wait because my parents
Speaker 4: they they they believe in the Bible.
Speaker 1: They and I was like, I can't wait to.
Speaker 4: Tell them because they knew that I didn't really mess
Speaker 4: with the Bible or anything. And I thought, maybe, you know,
Speaker 4: I can tell them what I found and I can,
Speaker 4: you know, have them see And Nope, that.
Speaker 1: Didn't that didn't work.
Speaker 4: And I've literally probably only found like a couple people
Speaker 4: in real life. I found a lot more people on
Speaker 4: TikTok U, but a lot of people, like even people
Speaker 4: that have been my friends for years and years, and
Speaker 4: they just they look down on me, like I'm just
Speaker 4: not as smart as them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I should say vice versa, we shouldn't in
Speaker 3: the truth community. I'm not a big fan of looking
Speaker 3: down at people like I have the secret information that
Speaker 3: you don't know. I think you know, on both sides
Speaker 3: of the people who just believe the narrative and for
Speaker 3: people like us who maybe you know, see things that
Speaker 3: other can't because they're too deep into the matrix that
Speaker 3: there are some people out there who are divisive, calling
Speaker 3: you know, the norms and the sheep and things like that.
Speaker 3: I think that can be more divisive than anything. I
Speaker 3: think we got to try a happy medium. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, it is frustrating because Yeah, I've had
Speaker 3: people both personally and on my other podcast. When I
Speaker 3: first brought it up, you know, I thought you were
Speaker 3: a smarter than that, George. I. You know, you've just
Speaker 3: discredited yourself health and they they're like ashamed of you
Speaker 3: because you believe in this certain thing. And it's frustrating
Speaker 3: because we all walk, we all have different journeys, we
Speaker 3: all have different eyes, we see different things, and some
Speaker 3: people see the you know, the the top skin of
Speaker 3: the onion, and some people see the core of the onion.
Speaker 3: It just depends on how often people take the time
Speaker 3: to peel back the layers to understand what's really going
Speaker 3: on in this world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean I've had relationships where they're like,
Speaker 4: can we talk about something that's not conspiracies or is
Speaker 4: that all you talk about? And if we go here,
Speaker 4: can you not bring up flat earth or anything conspiracy?
Speaker 4: And it's just I don't know, it's hard for me
Speaker 4: not to and I try to not push it on anybody,
Speaker 4: but I will give them information as long as I'll listen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll be tested this week Thursday's Thanksgiving, and
Speaker 3: we'll be sitting at the table and something will eventually
Speaker 3: come up and I'll just have to bite my tongue
Speaker 3: because once I get started, I can't stop, and then
Speaker 3: I'll see the eyes rolls and everything else. So we'll
Speaker 3: stick to you know, football and you know the latest thing,
Speaker 3: whatever the latest thing is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean I've quit television. I don't really
Speaker 4: like movies, and I don't even really listen to music
Speaker 4: that much anymore. I just just try to do research.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I love doing it.
Speaker 3: It's funny you mentioned that because prior to really get
Speaker 3: involved in this, we used to go to the movies
Speaker 3: like every other week. But that is back when they
Speaker 3: actually had decent movies too. Post twenty twenty, there haven't
Speaker 3: been really a lot of good movies. Nevertheless, it is
Speaker 3: I think that's a common theme among truthers. You kind
Speaker 3: of distance yourself away from movies and television. And even me,
Speaker 3: I was a huge music guy. My very first podcast
Speaker 3: whatever years ago, what was a music podcast breaking down
Speaker 3: you know the power Station or led Zeppelin three or
Speaker 3: something like that. And then you know, here I am today.
Speaker 3: I rarely listened to music because I'm just busy either
Speaker 3: reading or consuming audio or you know, some type of video.
Speaker 3: And it is a passion because you know, I don't
Speaker 3: want to live in that same system anymore. I want
Speaker 3: to learn the truth. And I think before all these
Speaker 3: amenities we have today with radio and then even the newspaper,
Speaker 3: if you go pre fifteen hundreds, before the printing machine
Speaker 3: came about, the whatever the fourteen eighties, I think people
Speaker 3: that there's something to going to a local neighbors and
Speaker 3: everybody gathering together and communicating and talking. And as wonderful
Speaker 3: as technology is, it has distanced us to a certain extent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've been trying to get back into reading
Speaker 4: because I got this book by Thomas.
Speaker 1: Friedman, The World Is Flat. I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: heard of that book.
Speaker 3: I think so, I like you, I have a bunch
Speaker 3: of books that I still have to catch up on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've got into the Book of Enoch and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thomas Friedman The World is Flat. Okay, so it's
Speaker 3: twenty years old. It's rather new from two thousand and five.
Speaker 3: But you know what's interesting that book actually won the
Speaker 3: Goldman Sachs Business Book of the Year Award. Oh wait this, yeah,
Speaker 3: I never believe.
Speaker 5: That this is right.
Speaker 3: Wait a second. So they're saying that this book was
Speaker 3: based on globalization, suggesting the world has a level playing
Speaker 3: field as far as a global economy.
Speaker 1: Is this did I get dupe?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm wondering if this is Wikipedia trying to do people. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: so the ten flatteners collapse of the Berlin Wall, Netscape uploading. Okay,
Speaker 3: so yeah, it's more about a world economy flattening the
Speaker 3: world that way. But they mock flat earthers because, oh
Speaker 3: does your cover have like a ship going off the edge?
Speaker 4: It's got a picture of a flat Earth on it.
Speaker 4: It looks like a coin with the Earth on it.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so this one is the original first edition cover.
Speaker 1: There you go, Well that staks. Well, then I guess
Speaker 1: I probably won't be reading that book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's there are books out there, and to me,
Speaker 3: if you look at the original cover, it looks like
Speaker 3: he's mocking flat earthers. There's a ship going over the edge.
Speaker 3: A lah, you know the Flat Earth Society.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's crazy. That's that's sad.
Speaker 4: I've seen that at a thrift store and I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: I'll buy that for a dollar.
Speaker 3: Oh ye, well, it talks about a lot of important
Speaker 3: historical things. It's funny. Netscape, that's something remember used to
Speaker 3: go to. You'd be checking out at Walmart and you
Speaker 3: could get the net you know, one month of internet
Speaker 3: service for like twenty dollars. You'd go home and put
Speaker 3: the little disk drive any to have Internet. It's it's
Speaker 3: crazy how far we've come in such a short period
Speaker 3: of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I tell my kids, like, you have no clue what
Speaker 4: it was like when I was a kid, because we
Speaker 4: didn't have internet. When I was like my son's age
Speaker 4: and he with the internet's down, He's like, well, what
Speaker 4: am I going to do? And It's like, really, what
Speaker 4: are you going to do if the internet's down? There's
Speaker 4: so much you can do.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: We had dial up at first, and I thought the
Speaker 4: internet was crazy. Then it's way crazy now, it sure is.
Speaker 3: You have Back when I was growing up in the
Speaker 3: late seventies and eighties, you know, our family, we had
Speaker 3: twenty year old encyclopedias or I'd have to go to
Speaker 3: the public library and try to figure out the Dewey
Speaker 3: decimal system and it's and that's when really your your
Speaker 3: mind was molded by the system. You didn't have alternative
Speaker 3: media like today. How you know, with the phone in
Speaker 3: the palm of your hand, you can stumble on something accidentally.
Speaker 3: It was much harder back then. And you know, I
Speaker 3: hear a lot of people on line talking about how
Speaker 3: the boomers did this and did that. They didn't have
Speaker 3: the same technology they had today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I feel like I sometimes I wonder if they, if.
Speaker 1: Like the the.
Speaker 4: Elites or they're not elite, but the people in control,
Speaker 4: if they ever wonder like I think we let the
Speaker 4: Internet get away from us.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, they put all they fled it with all
Speaker 1: sorts of information.
Speaker 4: And I feel like that's also so they can divide
Speaker 4: us where people argue whether it's flat or around, or
Speaker 4: Republican or Democrat. But if you look, there is information
Speaker 4: out there for you know. Yeah, I feel like it's
Speaker 4: a good and a bad thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always a double edged sword. And I do
Speaker 3: think not not to bring the room down at all,
Speaker 3: But you know, there is going to be a reset
Speaker 3: in a future dystopian society, whether it's our generation or
Speaker 3: two from now, there is going to be a social
Speaker 3: credit score coming in play, like it's already started in China.
Speaker 3: And you know, you go to log on and put
Speaker 3: your little thumbprint, which in the military, by the way, guys,
Speaker 3: when we logged onto our computers, and this is before
Speaker 3: I retired ten years ago, you had to put your
Speaker 3: like a digital imprint to log onto the computer. And
Speaker 3: that's something you know. Oh, your social credit score is
Speaker 3: five to eighty. Therefore, you cannot log onto the internet.
Speaker 3: If you'd like to log on the internet, we can
Speaker 3: delete your post, your anti government post that you posted
Speaker 3: at eight thirty two pm last night. Would you like
Speaker 3: to delete the post? Okay, you are now able to
Speaker 3: access the internet?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Or are we seeing you research this on here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: This is goes against our terms and service of being
Speaker 4: an American. So I'm so scared for that. I do
Speaker 4: not want that to happen. But I feel like it's honestly,
Speaker 4: there's unless everybody in America decided that we could we
Speaker 4: can do this. But that's why I try to just
Speaker 4: spread as much as I can and hopefully maybe but
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I often go back to, well, did we
Speaker 3: pass the COVID test as a whole.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I think we do better if they tried to do
Speaker 4: it again. But there's still I've seen people on TikTok
Speaker 4: that are still just like you know, they are full on.
Speaker 4: They'll get vaccinated again if they have to ten more times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sadly I believe that is well. Have you with
Speaker 3: your children? Have you talked to them about this and
Speaker 3: where do they sit on it?
Speaker 1: Actually?
Speaker 4: Yeah, My oldest daughter she is eleven, and her stepdad
Speaker 4: she told me he actually thinks Earth's flat too, And
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, that's pretty crazy, you know, that's cool,
Speaker 4: and she knows that's what I, uh, what I think.
Speaker 4: And my son, he definitely knows that's what I think.
Speaker 4: He's a he's my little intro on my podcast. I
Speaker 4: asked him if the Earth's round her flat and he
Speaker 4: says it's flat. Nice, And then I asked him why
Speaker 4: and he said the firmament And I was like, what's
Speaker 4: the firmament?
Speaker 1: And he's like, do you even read the Bible?
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 3: And that's awesome.
Speaker 4: My youngest daughter she's only five, but she doesn't she
Speaker 4: doesn't understand it yet. But they all they each of
Speaker 4: my kids, they have their own mom and it's kind
Speaker 4: of hard to Some of them are like, can you
Speaker 4: not talk to them about that? Because they think they'll
Speaker 4: get made fun of at school? Or my dad's a
Speaker 4: flat earther, and I just I don't want him to
Speaker 4: get made fun of by any means. But I'm not
Speaker 4: going to lie to him either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that is something that even people enter the
Speaker 3: truth realm. As we're closing in on Christmas, that's another
Speaker 3: thing that people deal with, right, should we be deceiving
Speaker 3: our children at all? But that's you know, I don't
Speaker 3: want to get into that in the podcast, And in
Speaker 3: case little Johnny and Jenny's in the car right now listening,
Speaker 3: I leave that up to the parents to decide, because
Speaker 3: we are in many ways traditionalists, right, And you know,
Speaker 3: I've gone down the truth road for many years now,
Speaker 3: and you start to realize that many of these holidays
Speaker 3: are based on, you know, on paganism, right, and on
Speaker 3: the outside they seem awesome, but if you peel once again,
Speaker 3: if you peel back the layers, you realize that there
Speaker 3: are some not so great things about these particular things,
Speaker 3: which you know, I'm not going to get into right now.
Speaker 3: I think most people know what we're talking about. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, you are a traditionalist. I remember
Speaker 3: growing up and on December twenty fifth getting up and
Speaker 3: going down the stairs seeing the presence under the tree
Speaker 3: and that you know, old jolly Saint Nick brought them.
Speaker 3: But there is a fine line because you realize that
Speaker 3: this is the same people who told you, you know,
Speaker 3: when you're a baby in the crib and there's the
Speaker 3: planets above you the little you know, there's Mars in
Speaker 3: the moon. All the kids have those things on the
Speaker 3: ceiling growing up, and you realize that that is a
Speaker 3: farce too. You wonder, you know, should be we should
Speaker 3: we be installing these things in our children's mind at all,
Speaker 3: But that you know, it's not as easy as it sounds,
Speaker 3: especially for people who have children and gan children, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I mean when with my kids growing up,
Speaker 4: like they love dinosaurs, and it's like, man, you know,
Speaker 4: if I start telling them that I don't think dinosaurs
Speaker 4: are real, that's gonna hurt their feelings kind of because
Speaker 4: like you said, they when they grew up, they have
Speaker 4: those little planets spinning above the crib, and I think
Speaker 4: we actually had one with dinosaurs on it, and then
Speaker 4: my kids still have dinosaur pajamas and stuff. And I
Speaker 4: loved dinosaurs in Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1: And I watched these.
Speaker 4: Space movies and I was always like, that'd be so crazy,
Speaker 4: like doing a spacewalk, And now I'm just like, that's
Speaker 4: so dumb, Like I can't That's why I can't watch
Speaker 4: it anymore, because it's just like, that's it's not realistic.
Speaker 3: And that is something that we have to face as parents, right,
Speaker 3: because I remember in whatever, I think it was, nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy seven, so excited going in the movie theater and
Speaker 3: seeing the very first Star Wars and then you know,
Speaker 3: we got the action figures and the X wing fighters
Speaker 3: and we because we didn't have internet, we didn't have
Speaker 3: video games. We maybe had Pong or Atari twenty six hundred,
Speaker 3: but that kept our it just for ten minutes. So
Speaker 3: you live, that's what you did. You rode your bike
Speaker 3: and you imagine, right, you Gi Joe or whatever it was,
Speaker 3: and you pretended you were an outer space. You were
Speaker 3: a hero, right, blowing up the whatever that big ball was.
Speaker 3: I forget what it's called the death Star, right, And
Speaker 3: and you know, it seems innocent from a parent's point
Speaker 3: of view. But when you grow up and realize the
Speaker 3: earth this flat and space doesn't exist, you understand that
Speaker 3: it's not just entertainment, it's propaganda.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they are so good at the propaganda because
Speaker 4: I feel like with kids. I know kids that are
Speaker 4: in like third fourth grade and they don't know how
Speaker 4: to ride a bike because they're never outside. They're inside.
Speaker 4: They are on electronics all the time. And I told
Speaker 4: my son to day, like that video you're watching is
Speaker 4: so weird. Like the stuff kids watch now is not
Speaker 4: even what I watched when I was kids. Like, I
Speaker 4: feel like the stuff they put in programs for the
Speaker 4: kids to watch as it's not good either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even, but I.
Speaker 4: Don't want to take away all their right everything that's fun,
Speaker 4: you know exactly.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's a tough world to navigate, right, But
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, truth must prevail. And
Speaker 3: that's why I'm glad that you're out here promoting once
Speaker 3: Upon a seven eighty five podcast and once again tell
Speaker 3: us a little bit about it where to find it,
Speaker 3: which again I'll have the link in the show notes,
Speaker 3: but do a little self promotion for a moment.
Speaker 4: It is once Upon A seven, eight to five, pretty
Speaker 4: much all the episodes that I have before. I think
Speaker 4: my season finale for my first podcast is I actually
Speaker 4: worked at a place in Heston, Kansas and it was
Speaker 4: a lawnmower plant. I don't know, it was on the
Speaker 4: national news. Some guy came in with an assault rifle
Speaker 4: and a pistol and just started opening fire on everybody.
Speaker 1: And I was at work that day.
Speaker 4: And so that's my season one finale, the craziest day
Speaker 4: I ever had working at Excel Industries. And after that's
Speaker 4: when all of it's I start with like Flatter at
Speaker 4: the Firmament, the Antarctic Treaty, Richard byrd in the ice Wall,
Speaker 4: I do Antarctica deep dives, and then high Jump, paper Clip,
Speaker 4: NASA and how they started with like their occult origins
Speaker 4: and Fishbowl the mission hoax, and then have you ever
Speaker 4: heard of the stole Kansas and how it's supposed to
Speaker 4: be one of the seven gateways to Hell?
Speaker 3: No, I don't think I have.
Speaker 1: Is that stu h L stu L. Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, so what's was like a little town over by Lawrence, Kansas.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's where UK is. Why is the what's the
Speaker 3: theory why that's a gateway to Hell.
Speaker 4: It was from back in like the I think it
Speaker 4: got big in the seventies and eighties. They people just
Speaker 4: started There was like a news article that came out
Speaker 4: in Kansas City that said that it was one of
Speaker 4: the seven gateways to Hell and one of the two
Speaker 4: places where the devil chose to show himself on Halloween.
Speaker 4: And it was like Halloween and some like desert over
Speaker 4: in some other country.
Speaker 1: But there's supposed to be this church that was there, and.
Speaker 4: Something happened and like the church had like a fire,
Speaker 4: and people would say that if it was raining there,
Speaker 4: you could go in the church and there wouldn't be
Speaker 4: any water on the floor, and that on Halloween.
Speaker 1: You would see like a staircase.
Speaker 4: Going down and you would go down and that would
Speaker 4: be like the door to Hell. And it got so
Speaker 4: big that they had to start having the police come
Speaker 4: on Halloween because there'd be so many people at the
Speaker 4: Stole graveyard waiting until midnight for the devil'll come. And
Speaker 4: this one time they made everybody leave at eleven thirty,
Speaker 4: and it's like, if the devil wasn't coming, why'd you
Speaker 4: make them leave?
Speaker 1: Just weird stuff happened like that.
Speaker 4: And I think they're like unincorporated, so like if you
Speaker 4: have out of plate tags, the police will ask you
Speaker 4: to eat the town because they don't want like tourists
Speaker 4: and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are an unincorporated community in Douglas County, Tech, Kansas. Sorry.
Speaker 3: And it says the cemetery in Stull is most known
Speaker 3: for a portal to Hell that the devil allegedly comes
Speaker 3: twice a year. That's interesting. I'll have to do a
Speaker 3: little research into that. Yeah, it looks like it just
Speaker 3: came to popularity. But they mentioned something that it's also
Speaker 3: based on the Apocrypha, which is something that I need
Speaker 3: to find that link.
Speaker 1: I didn't even read about the Apocrypha.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it mentions it in there. But again, this is
Speaker 3: all news, So I'm gonna have to take some time
Speaker 3: this week and let's see what I can find.
Speaker 4: Because I thought they said that this was debunked, but
Speaker 4: this was also on Google. But I remember hearing that
Speaker 4: like the Pope wouldn't fly over Kansas because it was
Speaker 4: on holy ground. The Beatles wouldn't fly over Kansas it was.
Speaker 1: On holy ground.
Speaker 3: And yeah, well you know Plum Research Center which unleashed
Speaker 3: the lime disease, they shut down and they moved to
Speaker 3: your neck of the woods.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I learned that from your podcast, and I was like, no, way,
Speaker 4: that's where they did all the animal testing and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Is that it fort Riley?
Speaker 3: No, it is in.
Speaker 1: Manhattan, Okay, Yeah, Manhattan.
Speaker 4: And that's pretty crazy because I'm pretty sure I have
Speaker 4: a cousin that's a math professor at the Manhattan College.
Speaker 3: That's where.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty wild, right, Kansas State, yep.
Speaker 3: And so Homeland Security selected Kansas as the National Bio
Speaker 3: and Agro Defense Lab, and yeah, they just moved officially.
Speaker 3: They completed the move I think earlier this year or
Speaker 3: the end of last year.
Speaker 4: And I feel like that's kind of sketchy and scary.
Speaker 4: I think, in my opinion, I don't want that here.
Speaker 4: And most of the people I know, when I ask them,
Speaker 4: they have no clue what it is or even why
Speaker 4: it matters.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, yeah, the only good thing about it
Speaker 3: was it was on an island off the east coast.
Speaker 3: Now they have it in the middle of the of
Speaker 3: the country, so you know, if the next thing comes,
Speaker 3: you know, it could come out of the middle of
Speaker 3: the country. Laylow in your small land area there I
Speaker 3: can call you. Yeah, well, we're we're about out of time.
Speaker 3: This has been a great conversation. I've learned a lot
Speaker 3: and I'm looking forward to listen to more of your
Speaker 3: podcasts and I hope the listeners subscribe as well and
Speaker 3: check you out. I'll give you a few minutes for
Speaker 3: any final words you might have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if if anybody wants following me on TikTok, my
Speaker 4: TikTok's Georgie like g E O R G e E
Speaker 4: George with an extra E three point fifty and I
Speaker 4: go live and if people want to come on and
Speaker 4: talk conspiracies, we can do that. It just can't get
Speaker 4: too crazy or they'll shut my account down again.
Speaker 1: And yeah, check out my podcast.
Speaker 4: Once upon a seven eighty five if anybody wants to
Speaker 4: come on the podcast. I just recorded an episode with
Speaker 4: a guy from TikTok yesterday for like three hours and
Speaker 4: it's fun.
Speaker 3: Who did you have as a guest? Yes, yeah, from TikTok.
Speaker 4: Well, I it doesn't tell I I met him from
Speaker 4: a He was some random guy that came on my podcast.
Speaker 4: He's from Arizona.
Speaker 1: And we just.
Speaker 4: Like we came instantly, like started hitting it off and
Speaker 4: he's really cool and I just met him last week.
Speaker 1: His name's Ryan.
Speaker 3: That's pretty You have over five thousand followers. That's pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's I had only like four hundred a
Speaker 4: month ago, and I started in. I had to get
Speaker 4: a thousand to go five, and then once that happened,
Speaker 4: it just kind of blew up.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's like you toobe, you have to have
Speaker 3: a thousand followers before you can go live.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 3: Wow. Well, congratulations and keep up the good work spreading
Speaker 3: the truth. And I'll have the TikTok email address and podcast.
Speaker 3: All those links will be in the show notes. You
Speaker 3: can either look again on the show notes on whatever
Speaker 3: podcast you listen to, or you can go to the
Speaker 3: flat Earthfiles dot com and the blog post for this
Speaker 3: particular episode will have all that information on there as well. Jordan,
Speaker 3: thanks so much for being a guest. It's been a
Speaker 3: really great conversation. I learned a lot. Thanks so much
Speaker 3: for your time, my friend. Thank you sir, all right,
Speaker 3: and thanks to the listeners for continuing to support the
Speaker 3: Flat Earth Files. I hope everybody has a great month.
Speaker 3: We're in December now. By the time you hear this.
Speaker 3: Everybody have a wonderful December. God bless you. Keep your
Speaker 3: head on a swivel. And until we meet it, my friends,
Speaker 3: we will see it.
Speaker 6: I know it's baby stry gone. I know you've had spain.
Speaker 6: I'm not feeling tired.
Speaker 1: Held all the way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know you feeling you smile ain't the same.
Speaker 6: That's all the way to go from you.
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 5: You've lost your way.
Speaker 7: Don't give it. No, don't give it. And never is home.
Speaker 7: Don't let call the primise. It ain't done yet.
Speaker 3: He's got a plaid. Why it's away.
Speaker 8: Time got up? Let me come? Why wait, God up.
Speaker 9: Mcle I can see the street beside you. Childs are
Speaker 9: putting up the five. Oh, you're stronger than a thing.
Speaker 1: You are.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a bad bound.
Speaker 3: Beautiful.
Speaker 1: You're shoving ride. Yeah, you're living, breathing, move you can
Speaker 1: hold your head a pie.
Speaker 7: Don't give up, No, don't give in. Never loos home.
Speaker 7: Don't they go on the primes me ain't Dounion's god
Speaker 7: up letting Wat's a way down the god of Merica.
Speaker 7: Don't give up, No, don't give in. You never love home,
Speaker 7: don't let go on the promise, it ain't don like
Speaker 7: it's worth living?
Speaker 8: What's a way down? The God of Baby Court? Why
Speaker 8: a play down? The God Tavy Cold? Oh yeah, what's
Speaker 8: a play down? The God of baby colt Oh yeah,
Speaker 8: got TV coll Oh, don't give up?
Speaker 1: No, don't give in?
Speaker 8: Never do they go.
Speaker 1: On the primise? I mean and thes got a.
Speaker 5: Play watch the god of if it comes, and don't
Speaker 5: give up? No dog give.
Speaker 4: Never this hold, don't let.
Speaker 8: Go of the times, get ain't done?
Speaker 6: Love is worth living?
Speaker 5: Wats the god of every coors Ah, the god of
Speaker 5: needs cos WHA's done? The God of any coach.
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Speaker 1: Just the facts, ma'am,