Speaker 1: It's side with Dan Ray I WBS Boston's new radio.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back everybody again. I just want to
Speaker 2: emphasize and to David in Leicester. G David, you know,
Speaker 2: we did an hour on that and I know you
Speaker 2: wanted to contribute a comment on it, but you you
Speaker 2: didn't listen for the most of the hour, and so
Speaker 2: it's tough when you call that late. I only really
Speaker 2: took your call because I saw it was you, and
Speaker 2: generally you have something that's pithy to say. So I
Speaker 2: was hoping, uh that that you would have been available, accessible,
Speaker 2: et cetera. But that's neither here nor there. And obviously
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's funny and I said this the
Speaker 2: last time we did this. This is a five year
Speaker 2: old child of the city. Do you think that if
Speaker 2: there was a five year old who was hit by
Speaker 2: a bus and killed in Wellesley or Weston or Whaland
Speaker 2: or Winchester. You know, I use those cities because those towns,
Speaker 2: because they are all towns that begin with the W
Speaker 2: with the letter W, and they're they're really really good,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, suburban communities. But that would not
Speaker 2: be tolerated. But in Boston, for some reason, a five
Speaker 2: year old child can be hit by a bus that
Speaker 2: he had just gotten off. And now it's six weeks later, Sis,
Speaker 2: six weeks to the day. Now it's six weeks later.
Speaker 2: And you know, the Globe did a great article today.
Speaker 2: I hope some of you read the Globe every day.
Speaker 2: I know I do, uh, And it baffles me that
Speaker 2: more people are not outraged this five year old. It's
Speaker 2: a you know, a child of God, a child of
Speaker 2: our var our society. Whatever your religious belief is or
Speaker 2: your lack of religious belief, this is a five year
Speaker 2: old child who will not see his sixth birthday. And
Speaker 2: probably there were some shortcuts taken, mistakes were made, and
Speaker 2: no one's going to be responsible. No one is going
Speaker 2: to be held to be responsible for this unless sunlight
Speaker 2: is the greatest disinfect And you know, so I'm heartbroken
Speaker 2: over this story, and I wish that there were more
Speaker 2: people in my audience and more people in Boston who
Speaker 2: are outraged over it. But I simply run a Petri
Speaker 2: dish here Monday through Friday from eight until midnight, and
Speaker 2: in the first hour we give you four guests that
Speaker 2: have interesting information. Marita does a great job and for
Speaker 2: the balance of this week. Karen BISSEM. We be doing
Speaker 2: a great job, but we talk with Mike Timlin, the
Speaker 2: former Red Sox great relief picture of the earlier part
Speaker 2: I was involved in, I think the two thousand and
Speaker 2: seven as well as I believe the two maybe the
Speaker 2: two thousand and four and two thousand and seven World Series.
Speaker 2: And so we try to provide good guests in the
Speaker 2: first hour, and then we try to find topics of
Speaker 2: a concern and controversy and legitimacy. And if you don't
Speaker 2: rise to the occasion, the only interpretation I can have
Speaker 2: is that my audience doesn't care that a five year
Speaker 2: old kid in Boston was hitting killed not by a
Speaker 2: drunk driver, I mean his death would be the same,
Speaker 2: but by his own school bus driver. That's what allegedly
Speaker 2: happened here. I mean, think about it, think about it.
Speaker 2: I thought that the call last hour from Peter from
Speaker 2: Braintree was heartbreaking because he lost his daughter at the
Speaker 2: age of five in nineteen eighty six, and obviously this
Speaker 2: rekindled memories in his mind. So again I'm not going
Speaker 2: to lecture you, but I'm just going to tell you
Speaker 2: that I was disappointed. Now There's another case that touches
Speaker 2: upon illegal immigration that has been going on now for
Speaker 2: seven years, seven years, and that is the case that
Speaker 2: involves a Newton judge, Judge Shelley Joseph, in twenty and eighteen.
Speaker 2: And I hope some of you remember this case in
Speaker 2: twenty and eighteen during the first Trump administration, doctor rather
Speaker 2: Judge Joseph, who was in Newton District Court one day,
Speaker 2: found her herself in the courtroom and she had a
Speaker 2: criminal defendant in front of her in district court in Newton,
Speaker 2: and at some point she became aware that there was
Speaker 2: an ice officer. You know, we had all of the
Speaker 2: demonstrations this weekend out in Los Angeles, and there was
Speaker 2: a demonstration in Boston today as well. But at some
Speaker 2: point she realized that there was an ice officer who
Speaker 2: had stationed himself. I believe he was in the courtroom
Speaker 2: and he was there he had a civil detainer on
Speaker 2: a defendant, jose Medina Perez. And I believe that the
Speaker 2: record reflected that she told one of her court officers
Speaker 2: to have direct the ice officer to leave her courtroom
Speaker 2: and sit outside her courtroom now just because he's a
Speaker 2: nice officer doesn't mean he's not a citizen of the
Speaker 2: United States, and I would think that that is in
Speaker 2: of itself something that a judge should not be doing.
Speaker 2: But he complied, and he sat outside, and then at
Speaker 2: some point there was a sidebar conference, and proceedings in
Speaker 2: district court, including sidebars, are supposed to be recorded, but
Speaker 2: at some point, at some point, for fifty two seconds,
Speaker 2: the recording was shut off, and no one knows at
Speaker 2: this point what was said because the recording was shut off.
Speaker 2: So what happened subsequently was that a court officer, perhaps
Speaker 2: at the direction of Judge Joseph, led the defendant and
Speaker 2: the defendant's lawyer out the back door, or led them
Speaker 2: down a corridor that got them to the back door
Speaker 2: of the courthouse, and the defendant fled. He was eventually
Speaker 2: picked up. But there was a federal indictment that came
Speaker 2: down against Judge Joseph, and that lingered for some time,
Speaker 2: and then a deal was made when I guess was
Speaker 2: in during the presidency of President Biden, and of course
Speaker 2: federal prosecutors are influenced by whoever's in the White House,
Speaker 2: and the charges against her in federal court were dropped
Speaker 2: as long as she would comply with a hearing which
Speaker 2: began today in front of the state the Massachusetts Judicial
Speaker 2: Conduct Commission now or technically the Massachusett Commission on Judicial
Speaker 2: Conduct Now. I don't know how that hearing went today.
Speaker 2: I was not in court. I did see some coverage
Speaker 2: of it. I guess they they started, They had a juror,
Speaker 2: they had a view, if you will, of the circumstances,
Speaker 2: so that the hearing officer could be familiar with the
Speaker 2: the layout of the court and how this guy got out.
Speaker 2: So eventually she could be removed from the bench. That's
Speaker 2: one possibility. I guess that's the worst, the most onerous
Speaker 2: requirement that could be imposed. She could be suspended for
Speaker 2: some period of time, or they could decide that hey,
Speaker 2: nothing apparently went on now. According to newspaper reports, UH,
Speaker 2: the lawyer for this individual, the defendant, UH, the lawyer
Speaker 2: had had switched, according to an article by Shelley Murphy
Speaker 2: and The Globe, to a another lawyer, and that the
Speaker 2: lawyer apparently was the one that requested that the the
Speaker 2: recording be turned off, and as a consequence of that,
Speaker 2: the lawyer, it has been reported, cooperated with the federal
Speaker 2: government at the time of the indictment, so he was
Speaker 2: one of the key witnesses today. I don't know how
Speaker 2: this is going to come out. However, However, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: this is an important case because if judges, if judges
Speaker 2: do not follow the law, then then then why do
Speaker 2: we have to do what you say? I mean, it's
Speaker 2: it's a pretty serious offense. It may sound not all
Speaker 2: that serious, but I consider this to be a very
Speaker 2: very serious offense. Uh, And I'd love to hear what
Speaker 2: you think should happen to the judge. Six seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray. Let's keep it going here
Speaker 2: on Nightside. We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, so we're talking about the Shelley Joseph case. No,
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's a single hearing officer, and apparently
Speaker 2: the hearing officer will write a report. I can't think
Speaker 2: of the last judge who who faced such a hearing
Speaker 2: like this, but this hearing officer as a single individual.
Speaker 2: The attorney for Joseph said today that she knew nothing,
Speaker 2: She just was was caught. I guess by surprise, I
Speaker 2: didn't see much coverage of it today, but it was
Speaker 2: there in some form of fashion. The hearing officer is
Speaker 2: being heard by Dennis mcnhernie, a former Deputy Assistant Attorney
Speaker 2: General with the Department of Justice, and the commission has
Speaker 2: appointed former Superior Court Chief Justice Judith Fabricant as special
Speaker 2: counsel to prosecute the case. And as The Globe is
Speaker 2: reporting and quoting now from a story by Shelley Murphy,
Speaker 2: one of the best reporters in Boston, particularly in terms
Speaker 2: of crime and punishment issues. Mccroney will submit his foundings
Speaker 2: of the commission within thirty days of the hearing. Of
Speaker 2: the commission can then recommend discipline to the SJAC Supreme
Speaker 2: Judicial Court. Only the legislature can remove a judge from
Speaker 2: the bench for misconduct, so we'll have to see. I mean,
Speaker 2: it just talks about the whole system that we live under.
Speaker 2: We're all supposed to do the right thing. But in
Speaker 2: these both of these cases that we've talked about, you
Speaker 2: have a statute, a law that was passed that was
Speaker 2: intended to help illegal immigrants be able to the so
Speaker 2: called you know, Mobility Act Work Mobility Act. And yet
Speaker 2: it turns out that it now seems to ignore to
Speaker 2: the detriment of an investigation, a transparent investigation into a
Speaker 2: little five year old boy who was killed. And here
Speaker 2: we have a judge who finds herself in trouble. I
Speaker 2: don't know what happened. Apparently the defense attorney, his name
Speaker 2: is David Jellinik, apparently turned out to be a witness
Speaker 2: against the judge, even though theoretically she had benefited his
Speaker 2: his client. So let's see what people have to say
Speaker 2: if you're interested in this. If not, we can move
Speaker 2: on to something else. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
Speaker 2: thirty six, seven ninety. Let me go to Bernie in
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. Bernie, how what's your thought on this? Bernie?
Speaker 3: Hey? Are we doing tonight? Dan?
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine, go right ahead?
Speaker 3: All right? Yeah, I got disconnected on I was gonna
Speaker 3: the last stop. But on this one? Can I slaw?
Speaker 3: Mountain Landis once said that the law is there to
Speaker 3: show justice, not to show mercy. Now it's an officer
Speaker 3: of the court. Shouldn't this judge be held to that standard?
Speaker 3: Knowing that she bull right went against the law.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why they haven't hearing obviously, and you'd like
Speaker 2: to think that all of this is going to be
Speaker 2: on the level, and you'd like to think that the
Speaker 2: reputations of the individuals involved. Both the prosecuting attorney as
Speaker 2: well as the hearing officer and the defense attorney will
Speaker 2: do their best, obviously as advocates, but they will simply
Speaker 2: do their best to get to the truth and let
Speaker 2: people let the chips fall where they may. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's disgraceful if she actually turned off that recorder and
Speaker 2: then helped expedite the escape of this defendant from ice.
Speaker 2: And again, this has been going on for years now.
Speaker 2: You see all these demonstrations out in Los Angeles, Well,
Speaker 2: you know, there's there's a lot of passion about this
Speaker 2: and uh, you have people. I was, I was watching
Speaker 2: the stuff in LA over the weekend, and today I
Speaker 2: saw more Mexican flags being waived by demonstrators. Uh, if
Speaker 2: you want to come to this country, keep the Mexican
Speaker 2: flag at home. You know, you're if you're coming to
Speaker 2: this country, you're you're coming, I assume to become an American,
Speaker 2: not not to you know, not to become uh to
Speaker 2: to re establish or reassert your your your Mexican citizenship.
Speaker 2: You should be coming here to become Americans. But that
Speaker 2: that was I don't know if you're watching this stuff
Speaker 2: over the weekend, but it's pretty interesting and we're gonna
Speaker 2: My intention is to talk about that tonight a little
Speaker 2: bit later on the criticism that the president is receiving
Speaker 2: for having federalized National Guard troops and I guess they're
Speaker 2: sending US Marines in there to call that situation. You know,
Speaker 2: what else could could be done? You know, but we'll
Speaker 2: save that for later. You're convinced that this thing's been
Speaker 2: going on for seven years? Why is it taking so
Speaker 2: long to get this thing resolved? I mean, if you
Speaker 2: were in front of this judge, you wouldn't be in
Speaker 2: front of the judge for seven years? Would your Bernie?
Speaker 2: If you had been arrested for drug driving or didn't
Speaker 2: pay your parking tickets on time?
Speaker 3: No? And that's my point. I believe sometimes in this country,
Speaker 3: although it has a great system of justice, sometimes just
Speaker 3: isn't always just. It just seems to be different laws
Speaker 3: or rules for different people, such as the case with
Speaker 3: this the First Amendment thing from the last thing. You know,
Speaker 3: it's not always an equal player for biblic who well know, yeah.
Speaker 2: No, that's what that is my concern, and you know,
Speaker 2: I think it's the concern of probably a lot of
Speaker 2: people who are listening to this program tonight. Bernie. Is
Speaker 2: always great to hear your voice. Thanks for checking in
Speaker 2: and we'll talk again.
Speaker 3: Okay, you have a good night there, Thank you, Thank.
Speaker 2: You, Bernie. Let me go to George and Fitchburgh. George,
Speaker 2: appreciate you calling in your next night. Sec go right ahead, George.
Speaker 4: Oh hi, I listened about the poor kid who was
Speaker 4: killed by the boss ye and I think that a
Speaker 4: manslaughter conviction. This this guy is obviously he's how long
Speaker 4: wheels and it's horrible as poor kid, that poor kid. Oh,
Speaker 4: I feel so bad. I can cry. A matter of fact,
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, nothing nothing can be done for the
Speaker 2: for the little boy at this point other than to
Speaker 2: say a prayer. However, however, my concern is why are
Speaker 2: our political leaders so hesitant to provide basic information. This
Speaker 2: little boy was killed six weeks ago today. If I'm
Speaker 2: calculating correctly, and I believe I am you.
Speaker 4: I think you are concerned, and I think I am
Speaker 4: concerned that this should not be swept under the rug.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is supposed to be Massachusetts. And yes,
Speaker 2: as I said, and I got myself in some trouble,
Speaker 2: I'm sure with my suburban listeners when I said that
Speaker 2: if this little boy had lived in some of the
Speaker 2: more affluent suburbs, he lived in Hyde Park.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. In uh, you know, it doesn't to me.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter where they live. It's the fact of
Speaker 4: the life that was taken by stupidity and ignorance.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's.
Speaker 4: The whole thing that gets me. It's like, you've got
Speaker 4: these kids running around the street with guns and I
Speaker 4: don't know where the heck they get them. But I
Speaker 4: know some of my friends in Bahfe that are out
Speaker 4: looking to find out where the heck these things are
Speaker 4: showing up for. I know a lot of stuff is
Speaker 4: coming from up Inflorida, believe.
Speaker 3: It or not. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well again, though that's kind of a different topic which
Speaker 2: we can we can take that would take that one
Speaker 2: on some night. But with my concern right now is
Speaker 2: uh is one I want to hear what people think
Speaker 2: about Judge Shelley Joseph allsorroble.
Speaker 4: She had no right to do that.
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is so far, so far, she
Speaker 2: hasn't paid the price, So maybe she's going to get
Speaker 2: away with it. Maybe that. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know enough about the case too.
Speaker 4: I know enough about the case where she let the
Speaker 4: guy was supposed to be going into ice, you know,
Speaker 4: out of the courtroom.
Speaker 2: She kicked him out of the courtroom. That we know.
Speaker 2: I believe that's she didn't.
Speaker 4: You know, she let her go out the back door,
Speaker 4: so to speak.
Speaker 2: Well, no, this innocent, sure to speak. The guy went
Speaker 2: out the back door, whether or not it was with
Speaker 2: her permission or whether or not. The defense lawyer who
Speaker 2: apparently was involved in that fifty two second conversation was
Speaker 2: with it recorded, as I believe, testified against her and
Speaker 2: was probably the reason she was indicted by the Feds.
Speaker 2: And then maybe he's yet second. I don't know. You know,
Speaker 2: let's hope it's on the level. Wouldn't it be great
Speaker 2: to have something in Massachusetts on the level? Now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I it's very hard to do it as a
Speaker 4: matter of fact, you know, just a different talk. But
Speaker 4: for another thing about these laws we have. But there's
Speaker 4: someone laws that are enacted by Massachusetts politicians at midnight,
Speaker 4: and there's some stuff that they had that. They said
Speaker 4: they had a listening. They they went around the state
Speaker 4: and listened about this and listen about that. It was
Speaker 4: a big it was a big farce.
Speaker 2: It Well, what it is is, Yeah, it's they listen
Speaker 2: if they do something. Yeah, I agree with you totally
Speaker 2: on that. Trust me on that one. Hey, George, I
Speaker 2: hate to do this here, but I'm into my newscast here,
Speaker 2: so I got to let you go. I took you
Speaker 2: a little early. Didn't want you to have to wait.
Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, thanks much, God bless and we'll talk to
Speaker 4: you soon. Thanks a lot. Well, please keep.
Speaker 2: Calling the show and tell your friends about Night's Side. Okay,
Speaker 2: thank you very much. You are more than welcome. So far,
Speaker 2: the ladies have been quiet on both of these topics.
Speaker 2: Six one, let's focus on Judge Joseph six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine thirty b right
Speaker 2: back on after this.
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray ONBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the hearing today with Judge Shelley Joseph. Now,
Speaker 2: this is going to take This is not something that's
Speaker 2: going to be over in one day. So I have
Speaker 2: no idea how many days this hearing might take. And
Speaker 2: then it's going to take I believe at least thirty
Speaker 2: days for the hearing officer to write the report and
Speaker 2: to submit it to the State Supreme Court. And then
Speaker 2: based upon his report, the State Supreme Court might take
Speaker 2: no action or might take a serious action. Well, we
Speaker 2: will have to wait and see. Let's go next too,
Speaker 2: John is in debt. Hey John, appreciate you taking the
Speaker 2: time to call. Really do your next on Nightside. John,
Speaker 2: go right.
Speaker 5: Ahead, Hey Dan, if you quick back on your podcast,
Speaker 5: I think you'll find way back even before a musk,
Speaker 5: I think I said I wish you guys dedicated at
Speaker 5: least an hour a week. I bought more the government waste,
Speaker 5: government fraud because this seems like there's no accountability and
Speaker 5: I hate to make this political and democratic party. When
Speaker 5: I'm talking about talking about that boy who got run
Speaker 5: over by the bus driver, Uh, pretty certain information I
Speaker 5: had it. It sounds like people didn't do their job correct.
Speaker 5: He was still driving, and it reminds me of a
Speaker 5: couple other situations. If you remember a while back, I
Speaker 5: think it was a Russian guy who killed seven people
Speaker 5: up in New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it was. Yeah, there were seven motorcyclists,
Speaker 2: if I'm not whatever.
Speaker 5: Was Yeah, And I supposed Connecticut said they sent something
Speaker 5: in Massachusetts about this guy shouldn't be driving.
Speaker 2: She'd lose less.
Speaker 5: And there was a bunch of files in the basement,
Speaker 5: and nobody was looking at apparently nobody's job. And there
Speaker 5: was that thing. There was a thing with remember they
Speaker 5: carl a harmony. I think your name was a little.
Speaker 2: Girl, right, And there was she was in both court systems,
Speaker 2: both Massachusetts and New Hampshire. No communication, There was a
Speaker 2: there was a judge who gave custody I guess or
Speaker 2: or visitation rights to the father who now I believe
Speaker 2: has been convicted in her uh in her in her murder.
Speaker 5: But again it comes down to you know, people not
Speaker 5: doing their job. I think this Bible boy not only
Speaker 5: should be the bus driver thing should be charged, but
Speaker 5: I think that multiple parties should be charged because it
Speaker 5: again I don't have all the facts. Yeah, but it
Speaker 5: sounds like like I said, when I heard this guy
Speaker 5: should not have been driving, Well I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, clearly again, I know we're going back to
Speaker 2: what we talked about last hour. Uh. And and it's
Speaker 2: important that it's it's such an importance, it's such an
Speaker 2: important story. Uh. But right now the information is being
Speaker 2: held back from the public. We don't have What do
Speaker 2: you reason for that? Well, I believe that I happen
Speaker 2: to believe that the Mayor's office should be fully transparent
Speaker 2: and should say here's what we know. It really looks
Speaker 2: like it's going to be the fault of the bus
Speaker 2: company who didn't do their due diligence. According if you
Speaker 2: read the story in the Boston Globe today by John Hilliard,
Speaker 2: essentially what they're saying is this guy had a driving
Speaker 2: record that was not bad. It was abysmal. I mean,
Speaker 2: he had driving problems not only in Massachusetts, like four
Speaker 2: or five in the last a couple of months, but
Speaker 2: he has speeding tickets in New Jersey in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: Connecticut in twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen, violation in New York
Speaker 2: from proper license or endorsement, and then he apparently had
Speaker 2: two accidents in the month of April and then hit
Speaker 2: a couple of the parked cars on the day that
Speaker 2: the little boy was run over. I mean, but the
Speaker 2: reason that the Mayor's office seems not to want to
Speaker 2: have full disclosure. Is because it was the Boston Public
Speaker 2: Schools that had hired this company, trensdeb that didn't do
Speaker 2: the due diligence. So what happens is that it's getting
Speaker 2: covered up. And that's why the Globe wrote about it.
Speaker 2: That's why we had on last hour Rob Burchie, who
Speaker 2: was a First Amendment lawyer with the New England First
Speaker 2: Amendment Coalition. That's why I talked about it three or
Speaker 2: four weeks three weeks ago, and that's why we have
Speaker 2: to find out what's going on here.
Speaker 5: And I don't want to try this political, but it
Speaker 5: almosteems have no choice. I'm a registered Republican, mainly because
Speaker 5: I feel the Republican Party is more accountable, and it
Speaker 5: just seemed that Democrats never want to take accountability for anything.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know you recently had the state auditor
Speaker 5: on and with the state just later. Nobody wants to
Speaker 5: be transparent with with all their documents.
Speaker 2: The state Auditor, Diana Desaglio, is doing a terrific job,
Speaker 2: and she's being frustrated at every turn by the leadership
Speaker 2: of the Democrats in the in the House and the Senate.
Speaker 2: And by Governor Healy, and by the Attorney General Andrea Campbell.
Speaker 5: And if you don't want to go right to the top.
Speaker 5: And I know this is getting off topic, but you
Speaker 5: look at what's going on with Biden here, Schumer and Humphrey.
Speaker 5: You're like, oh, we're looking forward now, nobody wants to
Speaker 5: talk about it.
Speaker 2: That's a whole that's another different story. Hey, John, let
Speaker 2: me let you run for now. All I'm just saying
Speaker 2: is that can you imagine if there was a five
Speaker 2: year old child who was run over by a school
Speaker 2: bus in Denham? Do you think six weeks later we'd
Speaker 2: have no information to speak off.
Speaker 5: I think no, it's a disgrace. A week or two
Speaker 5: tops there should have been done.
Speaker 2: You thanks, John, appreciate it, Thank thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Bye bye. Let me go to Tom down on the Cape.
Speaker 2: Tom on Cape Cord, Tom, where are you calling from
Speaker 2: on the Cape.
Speaker 5: I'm calling from Dennis.
Speaker 2: I know, Dennis, beautiful town. There, go right ahead, Tom.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're spoken. We're spoken before from Dennis. Sure, what
Speaker 5: was I gonna say? I got the reason. The reason
Speaker 5: it's taken seven years was Donald Trump. Chidge his administration
Speaker 5: charged her federally because the state wouldn't charge this judge
Speaker 5: Joseph with any crime, and then as soon as the
Speaker 5: Biden administration come in, his administration dropped the charges.
Speaker 2: Well, I think what they did there, Yeah, I got
Speaker 2: I want to be fair, okay, But my understanding is
Speaker 2: that what the Biden administration did was they worked the
Speaker 2: deal whereby the federal charges were dropped with the understanding
Speaker 2: that the State's Judicial Conduct Commission UH would look into that, which,
Speaker 2: of course today now results in the hearing that started today.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many days the hearing's going to take.
Speaker 2: It seems to me it's you know, it's it's going
Speaker 2: to be a lot of he said, she said, But
Speaker 2: I hope that this hearing officer can do a thorough
Speaker 2: and transparent job. And if she's as as clean as
Speaker 2: the driven snow, then then she should be treated accordingly. If,
Speaker 2: on the other hand, she cooperated with all of this,
Speaker 2: then I think her status as a judge has to
Speaker 2: be called into question, and that's going to be a
Speaker 2: decision that will be made by the State Supreme Court,
Speaker 2: all of whom are appointed by governors here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 5: Well, you said, you said, in all fairness, but how
Speaker 5: can it be. I don't see fairness with the Biden
Speaker 5: administration turning it over to another liberal administration to take
Speaker 5: care of another liberal judge who's obviously has leaning towards
Speaker 5: the left. And also another thing you have to know
Speaker 5: is that this Judicial Conduct Commission does not have the
Speaker 5: right to fire.
Speaker 2: Her, no minderstanding that rests with the State Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: But the Judicial Conduct Commission, the hearing officer will write
Speaker 2: a report which then the state. It's gonna go on
Speaker 2: for weeks, if not months. No, it's this happened in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, and here we are almost ten years later.
Speaker 2: We're eight years later, and we're still dealing with it.
Speaker 5: You know, if you had a couple of tryn to
Speaker 5: let it die peaceful death?
Speaker 2: Yes, right, right, we should all have such a peaceful death. Right.
Speaker 2: If you had a couple of you had a couple
Speaker 2: of parking tickets in Barnstable County, uh, your license, they
Speaker 2: wouldn't leave open the question of your license for for
Speaker 2: for eight years. They'd pull your license In a New
Speaker 2: York second.
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely, It's just it's it just comes down to
Speaker 5: the bottom line, is it's a liberal judge being protected
Speaker 5: by a liberal administration.
Speaker 2: Well, let's see what happens. The only thing I could
Speaker 2: say to you right now is the story is not
Speaker 2: yet written. Let's see what Let's see how this all transpires.
Speaker 2: The reason I'm talking about it tonight is because it
Speaker 2: happened today, and it also I think that the public
Speaker 2: should be interested in this. I mean I could do
Speaker 2: a subject tonight and ask people what's your favorite color?
Speaker 2: What good does that?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I want people to think about these issues. That is,
Speaker 2: you obviously have thought about it greatly, and I appreciate
Speaker 2: the fact that you've taken the time to call.
Speaker 5: Well, here's the other thing is it's going to you
Speaker 5: and I. Let's put it this way. You and I
Speaker 5: will speak after the after the fact, and see what
Speaker 5: the outcome is.
Speaker 2: I know you will, and I will gladly accept your
Speaker 2: phone call and we can we can then determine whether
Speaker 2: or not indeed justice was done fair enough.
Speaker 5: Continue your good work.
Speaker 2: Thanks Dennis, and please keep listening to Night's side, and
Speaker 2: continue to continue to call. Because some nights, when you
Speaker 2: talk about topics and you don't get the audience to
Speaker 2: rise in unison and say this is wrong, you just
Speaker 2: wonder up do people care anymore. And I think the
Speaker 2: politicians in Massachusetts essentially count on that that that the
Speaker 2: average person in Massachusetts we're so busy trying to uh,
Speaker 2: you know, work, pay our taxes, keep keep our jobs,
Speaker 2: that we don't focus a lot on issues that we
Speaker 2: talk about here. And that's and that's unfortunate. But I'm
Speaker 2: delighted there are people like you who listen to the
Speaker 2: show and take the time to call. Thanks. Thanks so much.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: All right, thanks, thank thanks Tom.
Speaker 2: Talk soon, have a great night. We'll take a break.
Speaker 2: We'll take a quick commercial message. I got a couple
Speaker 2: of open lines. Actually, if you'd like to finish out
Speaker 2: wrong we will talk about the LA riots after eleven,
Speaker 2: but I want to talk about this, what should happen
Speaker 2: with Shelley Joseph, and more importantly, are you confident, uh
Speaker 2: do you have confidence in the system that justice will
Speaker 2: be done? I would like to say I had confidence
Speaker 2: in the system, but frankly, I don't. I don't know
Speaker 2: how this is going to turn out. But it just
Speaker 2: seems to me this has gone for quite a long time.
Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, five, four ten, thirty six one
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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Allright, back to the phones, we go, gonna go to
Speaker 2: who's next. We got Tom in West Virginia. Tom will
Speaker 2: have a point of view here Tom, welcome back. How
Speaker 2: are you.
Speaker 5: Okay? So you've got a judge, yes, sir, that basically
Speaker 5: let an illegal aliens sneak out the back door.
Speaker 2: So that's the allegation.
Speaker 5: You're a you're a lawyer, Yes, I am. In in
Speaker 5: nineteen okay. So in nineteen twenty nine, Congress passed the
Speaker 5: law Section thirteen twenty five and thirteen twenty six of
Speaker 5: US Code. Part of chapter eight addresses criminal offenses as
Speaker 5: related to immigration. That illegal immigrant had been twice entered
Speaker 5: the country illegally. That is a felony at that point.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're talking in the country. You're talking about
Speaker 2: the guy that Medina Perez who was able to leave
Speaker 2: the court through the back door, Jose Medina Perez, in
Speaker 2: the company of his lawyer. Go I just want to
Speaker 2: make sure that we got the same guy. Go ahead,
Speaker 2: go right ahead, all right.
Speaker 5: So here's the point. If a person enters the country
Speaker 5: unlawful for the first time, it is considered a misdemeanor,
Speaker 5: but if they enter a second time unlawfully, it is
Speaker 5: considered a felony. Okay, So she just let a guy
Speaker 5: that twice was ordered to leave the country. She let
Speaker 5: out a guy who committed a felony.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry again, that's assuming what's gonna happen, Tom, Just
Speaker 2: hold for one second. Okay, she's undergoing the hearing at
Speaker 2: this point, Let's see what the hearing officer. She has
Speaker 2: not been convinced.
Speaker 5: Damn kangaroo court. I have no faith, and.
Speaker 2: Don't you have no faith? And guess what, I don't
Speaker 2: have a lot of faith either. All I'm just saying, Tom,
Speaker 2: is for purposes of clarity you, I want to hold
Speaker 2: you and me to a higher standard, Okay, And that
Speaker 2: is she hasn't been convicted of anything yet. We've explained
Speaker 2: for people to understand. She was indicted, the indictment was
Speaker 2: withdrawn with the understanding that we're going to have this,
Speaker 2: this this event today, seven years after the event. I
Speaker 2: mean that in of itself, that cannot be denied. Factually,
Speaker 2: that what happened was in twenty seventeen. To hear, we
Speaker 2: are in twenty twenty five, eight years later, and it
Speaker 2: still hasn't been adjudicated.
Speaker 5: No, and it's gonna be a kangaroo court, and it's
Speaker 5: going to be given the usual national public radio language
Speaker 5: of well, she.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: And she's gonna get her wrists slapped. And you know something,
Speaker 5: you wonder why guys like me have no faith in
Speaker 5: the judicial system anymore, is because you know what, if
Speaker 5: we like your politics, We're going to bend the rules.
Speaker 5: And I'm fed up with it. And all I have
Speaker 5: to say is.
Speaker 2: Why do you think I'm talking about this case tonight?
Speaker 5: Tom No, I'm glad you are okay. And for the
Speaker 5: highly educated white liberals that I went to high school
Speaker 5: with that talk about insurrections on January sixth, well, what
Speaker 5: is going on in Los Angeles now with people that
Speaker 5: are holding up traffic that are not peacefully protesting, yet
Speaker 5: the news media tells me they're peacefully protesting.
Speaker 2: Really, the news media that I that I watched over
Speaker 2: the weekend certainly showed a lot of pictures of cars
Speaker 2: being burned, of high quality, high intensity pyrotechnics being exploded.
Speaker 2: So I mean that looks like a riot.
Speaker 5: To me, Yeah, and they won't. And this is the
Speaker 5: problem Dan with people that are in the new media.
Speaker 5: I went to a guy from who worked with the
Speaker 5: Associated Press, who taught at Wheaton College. Okay, he is
Speaker 5: the most biased person I have ever met. And what
Speaker 5: we've had in this country for the last fifty years
Speaker 5: is a bunch of leftist professors that claim to be
Speaker 5: we're trying to be objective, and I.
Speaker 2: Just off track. I'm going to talk about the I
Speaker 2: know we are. I'm going to talk about the l R.
Speaker 5: How how is the news media reporting it nationally.
Speaker 2: We'll give people an opportunity, Tom after the eleven o'clock
Speaker 2: news to to have at it. I watched a lot
Speaker 2: and I think I've gotten a fairly accurate I don't
Speaker 2: think I'm hearing anybody say they were peaceful protests, because
Speaker 2: you can't say that with the cars being burned, Mexican
Speaker 2: flags being flown, et cetera. I mean, I just think
Speaker 2: that it's it's pay Do you.
Speaker 5: Do you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I do? Watch CNN, Yes I do. I watched.
Speaker 5: Betrayed It.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I listen, I will take Tom. Tom, that's
Speaker 2: the fourth time you said it, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you for the fourth time, I will take your
Speaker 2: word for it. Okay, and let's see if other people
Speaker 2: have seen CNN, because that's we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2: It's perfect segue to the other side of the eleven Okay, Tom,
Speaker 2: thanks as always, You're you're you're a good caller, challenging caller,
Speaker 2: but a good caller, and I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 2: All Right, we have the news that is coming up.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about what's going on in Los
Speaker 2: Angeles and you can tell me if it's a peaceful demonstration.
Speaker 2: It was a peaceful demonstration in Boston today that was peaceful,
Speaker 2: but it weren't. They're not peaceful in Los Angeles. Coming
Speaker 2: back on night Side right after the eleven o'clock news,
Speaker 2: jump on board the LA riots. Your perception, your perspective,
Speaker 2: coming back