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<v Speaker 1>It's side with Dan Ray I WBS Boston's new radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back everybody again. I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>emphasize and to David in Leicester. G David, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we did an hour on that and I know you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to contribute a comment on it, but you you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't listen for the most of the hour, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it's tough when you call that late. I only really

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<v Speaker 2>took your call because I saw it was you, and

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<v Speaker 2>generally you have something that's pithy to say. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was hoping, uh that that you would have been available, accessible,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. But that's neither here nor there. And obviously

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, it's funny and I said this the

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<v Speaker 2>last time we did this. This is a five year

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<v Speaker 2>old child of the city. Do you think that if

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<v Speaker 2>there was a five year old who was hit by

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<v Speaker 2>a bus and killed in Wellesley or Weston or Whaland

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<v Speaker 2>or Winchester. You know, I use those cities because those towns,

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<v Speaker 2>because they are all towns that begin with the W

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<v Speaker 2>with the letter W, and they're they're really really good,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, suburban communities. But that would not

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<v Speaker 2>be tolerated. But in Boston, for some reason, a five

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<v Speaker 2>year old child can be hit by a bus that

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<v Speaker 2>he had just gotten off. And now it's six weeks later, Sis,

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<v Speaker 2>six weeks to the day. Now it's six weeks later.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the Globe did a great article today.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope some of you read the Globe every day.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I do, uh, And it baffles me that

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<v Speaker 2>more people are not outraged this five year old. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, a child of God, a child of

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<v Speaker 2>our var our society. Whatever your religious belief is or

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<v Speaker 2>your lack of religious belief, this is a five year

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<v Speaker 2>old child who will not see his sixth birthday. And

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<v Speaker 2>probably there were some shortcuts taken, mistakes were made, and

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<v Speaker 2>no one's going to be responsible. No one is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be held to be responsible for this unless sunlight

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<v Speaker 2>is the greatest disinfect And you know, so I'm heartbroken

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<v Speaker 2>over this story, and I wish that there were more

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<v Speaker 2>people in my audience and more people in Boston who

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<v Speaker 2>are outraged over it. But I simply run a Petri

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<v Speaker 2>dish here Monday through Friday from eight until midnight, and

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<v Speaker 2>in the first hour we give you four guests that

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<v Speaker 2>have interesting information. Marita does a great job and for

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<v Speaker 2>the balance of this week. Karen BISSEM. We be doing

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<v Speaker 2>a great job, but we talk with Mike Timlin, the

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<v Speaker 2>former Red Sox great relief picture of the earlier part

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<v Speaker 2>I was involved in, I think the two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>seven as well as I believe the two maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four and two thousand and seven World Series.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we try to provide good guests in the

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<v Speaker 2>first hour, and then we try to find topics of

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<v Speaker 2>a concern and controversy and legitimacy. And if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>rise to the occasion, the only interpretation I can have

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<v Speaker 2>is that my audience doesn't care that a five year

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<v Speaker 2>old kid in Boston was hitting killed not by a

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<v Speaker 2>drunk driver, I mean his death would be the same,

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<v Speaker 2>but by his own school bus driver. That's what allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>happened here. I mean, think about it, think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that the call last hour from Peter from

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<v Speaker 2>Braintree was heartbreaking because he lost his daughter at the

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<v Speaker 2>age of five in nineteen eighty six, and obviously this

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<v Speaker 2>rekindled memories in his mind. So again I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to lecture you, but I'm just going to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>that I was disappointed. Now There's another case that touches

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<v Speaker 2>upon illegal immigration that has been going on now for

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<v Speaker 2>seven years, seven years, and that is the case that

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<v Speaker 2>involves a Newton judge, Judge Shelley Joseph, in twenty and eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope some of you remember this case in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty and eighteen during the first Trump administration, doctor rather

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Joseph, who was in Newton District Court one day,

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<v Speaker 2>found her herself in the courtroom and she had a

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<v Speaker 2>criminal defendant in front of her in district court in Newton,

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<v Speaker 2>and at some point she became aware that there was

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<v Speaker 2>an ice officer. You know, we had all of the

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<v Speaker 2>demonstrations this weekend out in Los Angeles, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>a demonstration in Boston today as well. But at some

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<v Speaker 2>point she realized that there was an ice officer who

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<v Speaker 2>had stationed himself. I believe he was in the courtroom

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<v Speaker 2>and he was there he had a civil detainer on

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<v Speaker 2>a defendant, jose Medina Perez. And I believe that the

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<v Speaker 2>record reflected that she told one of her court officers

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<v Speaker 2>to have direct the ice officer to leave her courtroom

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<v Speaker 2>and sit outside her courtroom now just because he's a

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<v Speaker 2>nice officer doesn't mean he's not a citizen of the

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<v Speaker 2>of itself something that a judge should not be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>But he complied, and he sat outside, and then at

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<v Speaker 2>some point there was a sidebar conference, and proceedings in

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<v Speaker 2>district court, including sidebars, are supposed to be recorded, but

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<v Speaker 2>at some point, at some point, for fifty two seconds,

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<v Speaker 2>the recording was shut off, and no one knows at

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<v Speaker 2>this point what was said because the recording was shut off.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happened subsequently was that a court officer, perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>at the direction of Judge Joseph, led the defendant and

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<v Speaker 2>the defendant's lawyer out the back door, or led them

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<v Speaker 2>down a corridor that got them to the back door

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<v Speaker 2>of the courthouse, and the defendant fled. He was eventually

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<v Speaker 2>picked up. But there was a federal indictment that came

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<v Speaker 2>down against Judge Joseph, and that lingered for some time,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a deal was made when I guess was

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<v Speaker 2>in during the presidency of President Biden, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>federal prosecutors are influenced by whoever's in the White House,

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<v Speaker 2>and the charges against her in federal court were dropped

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<v Speaker 2>as long as she would comply with a hearing which

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<v Speaker 2>began today in front of the state the Massachusetts Judicial

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<v Speaker 2>Conduct Commission now or technically the Massachusett Commission on Judicial

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<v Speaker 2>Conduct Now. I don't know how that hearing went today.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not in court. I did see some coverage

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<v Speaker 2>of it. I guess they they started, They had a juror,

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<v Speaker 2>they had a view, if you will, of the circumstances,

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<v Speaker 2>so that the hearing officer could be familiar with the

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<v Speaker 2>the layout of the court and how this guy got out.

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<v Speaker 2>So eventually she could be removed from the bench. That's

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<v Speaker 2>one possibility. I guess that's the worst, the most onerous

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<v Speaker 2>requirement that could be imposed. She could be suspended for

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<v Speaker 2>some period of time, or they could decide that hey,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing apparently went on now. According to newspaper reports, UH,

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<v Speaker 2>the lawyer for this individual, the defendant, UH, the lawyer

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<v Speaker 2>had had switched, according to an article by Shelley Murphy

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<v Speaker 2>and The Globe, to a another lawyer, and that the

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer apparently was the one that requested that the the

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<v Speaker 2>recording be turned off, and as a consequence of that,

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<v Speaker 2>the lawyer, it has been reported, cooperated with the federal

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<v Speaker 2>government at the time of the indictment, so he was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the key witnesses today. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to come out. However, However, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>this is an important case because if judges, if judges

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<v Speaker 2>do not follow the law, then then then why do

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<v Speaker 2>we have to do what you say? I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a pretty serious offense. It may sound not all

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<v Speaker 2>that serious, but I consider this to be a very

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<v Speaker 2>very serious offense. Uh, And I'd love to hear what

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<v Speaker 2>you think should happen to the judge. Six seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Dan Ray. Let's keep it going here

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside. We'll be back right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so we're talking about the Shelley Joseph case. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. There's a single hearing officer, and apparently

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<v Speaker 2>the hearing officer will write a report. I can't think

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<v Speaker 2>of the last judge who who faced such a hearing

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<v Speaker 2>like this, but this hearing officer as a single individual.

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<v Speaker 2>The attorney for Joseph said today that she knew nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>She just was was caught. I guess by surprise, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see much coverage of it today, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>there in some form of fashion. The hearing officer is

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<v Speaker 2>being heard by Dennis mcnhernie, a former Deputy Assistant Attorney

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<v Speaker 2>General with the Department of Justice, and the commission has

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<v Speaker 2>appointed former Superior Court Chief Justice Judith Fabricant as special

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<v Speaker 2>counsel to prosecute the case. And as The Globe is

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<v Speaker 2>reporting and quoting now from a story by Shelley Murphy,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best reporters in Boston, particularly in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of crime and punishment issues. Mccroney will submit his foundings

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<v Speaker 2>of the commission within thirty days of the hearing. Of

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<v Speaker 2>the commission can then recommend discipline to the SJAC Supreme

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<v Speaker 2>Judicial Court. Only the legislature can remove a judge from

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<v Speaker 2>the bench for misconduct, so we'll have to see. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it just talks about the whole system that we live under.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all supposed to do the right thing. But in

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<v Speaker 2>these both of these cases that we've talked about, you

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<v Speaker 2>have a statute, a law that was passed that was

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<v Speaker 2>intended to help illegal immigrants be able to the so

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<v Speaker 2>called you know, Mobility Act Work Mobility Act. And yet

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out that it now seems to ignore to

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<v Speaker 2>the detriment of an investigation, a transparent investigation into a

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<v Speaker 2>little five year old boy who was killed. And here

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<v Speaker 2>we have a judge who finds herself in trouble. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what happened. Apparently the defense attorney, his name

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<v Speaker 2>is David Jellinik, apparently turned out to be a witness

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<v Speaker 2>against the judge, even though theoretically she had benefited his

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<v Speaker 2>his client. So let's see what people have to say

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<v Speaker 2>if you're interested in this. If not, we can move

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<v Speaker 2>on to something else. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six, seven ninety. Let me go to Bernie in

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<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire. Bernie, how what's your thought on this? Bernie?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey? Are we doing tonight? Dan?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing fine, go right ahead?

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<v Speaker 3>All right? Yeah, I got disconnected on I was gonna

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<v Speaker 3>the last stop. But on this one? Can I slaw?

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<v Speaker 3>Mountain Landis once said that the law is there to

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<v Speaker 3>show justice, not to show mercy. Now it's an officer

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<v Speaker 3>of the court. Shouldn't this judge be held to that standard?

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<v Speaker 3>Knowing that she bull right went against the law.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's why they haven't hearing obviously, and you'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to think that all of this is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>on the level, and you'd like to think that the

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<v Speaker 2>reputations of the individuals involved. Both the prosecuting attorney as

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<v Speaker 2>well as the hearing officer and the defense attorney will

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<v Speaker 2>do their best, obviously as advocates, but they will simply

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<v Speaker 2>do their best to get to the truth and let

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<v Speaker 2>people let the chips fall where they may. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's disgraceful if she actually turned off that recorder and

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<v Speaker 2>then helped expedite the escape of this defendant from ice.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, this has been going on for years now.

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<v Speaker 2>You see all these demonstrations out in Los Angeles, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's there's a lot of passion about this

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, you have people. I was, I was watching

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff in LA over the weekend, and today I

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<v Speaker 2>saw more Mexican flags being waived by demonstrators. Uh, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to come to this country, keep the Mexican

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<v Speaker 2>flag at home. You know, you're if you're coming to

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<v Speaker 2>this country, you're you're coming, I assume to become an American,

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<v Speaker 2>not not to you know, not to become uh to

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<v Speaker 2>to re establish or reassert your your your Mexican citizenship.

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<v Speaker 2>You should be coming here to become Americans. But that

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<v Speaker 2>that was I don't know if you're watching this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>over the weekend, but it's pretty interesting and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>My intention is to talk about that tonight a little

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<v Speaker 2>what else could could be done? You know, but we'll

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<v Speaker 2>save that for later. You're convinced that this thing's been

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<v Speaker 2>front of the judge for seven years? Would your Bernie?

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<v Speaker 2>If you had been arrested for drug driving or didn't

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<v Speaker 3>No? And that's my point. I believe sometimes in this country,

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<v Speaker 3>this the First Amendment thing from the last thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not always an equal player for biblic who well know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>people who are listening to this program tonight. Bernie. Is

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<v Speaker 2>always great to hear your voice. Thanks for checking in

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll talk again.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you have a good night there, Thank you, Thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, Bernie. Let me go to George and Fitchburgh. George,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh hi, I listened about the poor kid who was

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<v Speaker 4>wheels and it's horrible as poor kid, that poor kid. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I feel so bad. I can cry. A matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, nothing nothing can be done for the

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<v Speaker 2>for the little boy at this point other than to

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<v Speaker 2>say a prayer. However, however, my concern is why are

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<v Speaker 2>our political leaders so hesitant to provide basic information. This

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<v Speaker 2>little boy was killed six weeks ago today. If I'm

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<v Speaker 2>calculating correctly, and I believe I am you.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you are concerned, and I think I am

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<v Speaker 4>concerned that this should not be swept under the rug.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is this is supposed to be Massachusetts. And yes,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, and I got myself in some trouble,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure with my suburban listeners when I said that

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<v Speaker 2>if this little boy had lived in some of the

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know. In uh, you know, it doesn't to me.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't matter where they live. It's the fact of

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<v Speaker 4>The whole thing that gets me. It's like, you've got

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<v Speaker 4>these kids running around the street with guns and I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know where the heck they get them. But I

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<v Speaker 4>know some of my friends in Bahfe that are out

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<v Speaker 4>looking to find out where the heck these things are

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<v Speaker 4>showing up for. I know a lot of stuff is

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<v Speaker 3>It or not. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well again, though that's kind of a different topic which

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<v Speaker 2>we can we can take that would take that one

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<v Speaker 2>uh is one I want to hear what people think

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<v Speaker 2>about Judge Shelley Joseph allsorroble.

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<v Speaker 4>She had no right to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the thing is so far, so far, she

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<v Speaker 2>away with it. Maybe that. I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know enough about the case too.

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<v Speaker 4>I know enough about the case where she let the

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<v Speaker 4>out of the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>She kicked him out of the courtroom. That we know.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that's she didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, she let her go out the back door,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, this innocent, sure to speak. The guy went

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<v Speaker 2>her permission or whether or not. The defense lawyer who

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<v Speaker 2>apparently was involved in that fifty two second conversation was

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<v Speaker 2>with it recorded, as I believe, testified against her and

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<v Speaker 2>was probably the reason she was indicted by the Feds.

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<v Speaker 2>And then maybe he's yet second. I don't know. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>let's hope it's on the level. Wouldn't it be great

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<v Speaker 2>to have something in Massachusetts on the level? Now?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I it's very hard to do it as a

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<v Speaker 4>matter of fact, you know, just a different talk. But

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<v Speaker 4>for another thing about these laws we have. But there's

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<v Speaker 4>someone laws that are enacted by Massachusetts politicians at midnight,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's some stuff that they had that. They said

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<v Speaker 4>they had a listening. They they went around the state

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<v Speaker 4>and listened about this and listen about that. It was

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<v Speaker 4>a big it was a big farce.

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<v Speaker 2>It Well, what it is is, Yeah, it's they listen

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<v Speaker 2>if they do something. Yeah, I agree with you totally

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<v Speaker 2>on that. Trust me on that one. Hey, George, I

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<v Speaker 2>hate to do this here, but I'm into my newscast here,

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<v Speaker 2>so I got to let you go. I took you

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<v Speaker 2>a little early. Didn't want you to have to wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Well, thanks much, God bless and we'll talk to

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<v Speaker 4>you soon. Thanks a lot. Well, please keep.

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<v Speaker 2>Calling the show and tell your friends about Night's Side. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much. You are more than welcome. So far,

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<v Speaker 2>the ladies have been quiet on both of these topics.

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<v Speaker 2>Six one, let's focus on Judge Joseph six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>back on after this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray ONBZ Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about the hearing today with Judge Shelley Joseph. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to take This is not something that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be over in one day. So I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea how many days this hearing might take. And

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<v Speaker 2>then it's going to take I believe at least thirty

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<v Speaker 2>days for the hearing officer to write the report and

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<v Speaker 2>to submit it to the State Supreme Court. And then

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<v Speaker 2>based upon his report, the State Supreme Court might take

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<v Speaker 2>no action or might take a serious action. Well, we

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<v Speaker 2>will have to wait and see. Let's go next too,

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<v Speaker 2>John is in debt. Hey John, appreciate you taking the

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<v Speaker 2>time to call. Really do your next on Nightside. John,

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<v Speaker 2>go right.

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<v Speaker 5>Ahead, Hey Dan, if you quick back on your podcast,

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<v Speaker 5>I think you'll find way back even before a musk,

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<v Speaker 5>I think I said I wish you guys dedicated at

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<v Speaker 5>least an hour a week. I bought more the government waste,

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<v Speaker 5>government fraud because this seems like there's no accountability and

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<v Speaker 5>I hate to make this political and democratic party. When

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<v Speaker 5>I'm talking about talking about that boy who got run

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<v Speaker 5>over by the bus driver, Uh, pretty certain information I

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<v Speaker 5>had it. It sounds like people didn't do their job correct.

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<v Speaker 5>He was still driving, and it reminds me of a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it was. Yeah, there were seven motorcyclists,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm not whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd lose less.

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<v Speaker 5>And there was a bunch of files in the basement,

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<v Speaker 5>and nobody was looking at apparently nobody's job. And there

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<v Speaker 5>was that thing. There was a thing with remember they

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<v Speaker 5>carl a harmony. I think your name was a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Girl, right, And there was she was in both court systems,

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<v Speaker 2>both Massachusetts and New Hampshire. No communication, There was a

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<v Speaker 2>there was a judge who gave custody I guess or

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<v Speaker 2>has been convicted in her uh in her in her murder.

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<v Speaker 5>But again it comes down to you know, people not

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<v Speaker 5>doing their job. I think this Bible boy not only

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<v Speaker 5>I think that multiple parties should be charged because it

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<v Speaker 5>again I don't have all the facts. Yeah, but it

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<v Speaker 5>sounds like like I said, when I heard this guy

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, clearly again, I know we're going back to

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<v Speaker 2>important that it's it's such an importance, it's such an

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<v Speaker 2>important story. Uh. But right now the information is being

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<v Speaker 2>held back from the public. We don't have What do

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<v Speaker 2>you reason for that? Well, I believe that I happen

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<v Speaker 2>to believe that the Mayor's office should be fully transparent

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<v Speaker 2>and should say here's what we know. It really looks

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<v Speaker 2>like it's going to be the fault of the bus

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<v Speaker 2>company who didn't do their due diligence. According if you

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<v Speaker 2>read the story in the Boston Globe today by John Hilliard,

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<v Speaker 2>essentially what they're saying is this guy had a driving

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<v Speaker 2>record that was not bad. It was abysmal. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he had driving problems not only in Massachusetts, like four

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<v Speaker 2>or five in the last a couple of months, but

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<v Speaker 2>he has speeding tickets in New Jersey in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>Connecticut in twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen, violation in New York

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<v Speaker 2>from proper license or endorsement, and then he apparently had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of the parked cars on the day that

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<v Speaker 2>reason that the Mayor's office seems not to want to

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<v Speaker 2>have full disclosure. Is because it was the Boston Public

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<v Speaker 2>Schools that had hired this company, trensdeb that didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>the due diligence. So what happens is that it's getting

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we had on last hour Rob Burchie, who

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<v Speaker 2>Amendment Coalition. That's why I talked about it three or

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't want to try this political, but it

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<v Speaker 5>almosteems have no choice. I'm a registered Republican, mainly because

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<v Speaker 5>I feel the Republican Party is more accountable, and it

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<v Speaker 5>just seemed that Democrats never want to take accountability for anything.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I know you recently had the state auditor

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<v Speaker 5>on and with the state just later. Nobody wants to

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<v Speaker 5>be transparent with with all their documents.

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<v Speaker 2>The state Auditor, Diana Desaglio, is doing a terrific job,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's being frustrated at every turn by the leadership

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<v Speaker 2>of the Democrats in the in the House and the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>And by Governor Healy, and by the Attorney General Andrea Campbell.

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<v Speaker 5>And if you don't want to go right to the top.

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<v Speaker 5>And I know this is getting off topic, but you

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<v Speaker 5>look at what's going on with Biden here, Schumer and Humphrey.

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<v Speaker 5>You're like, oh, we're looking forward now, nobody wants to

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<v Speaker 2>That's a whole that's another different story. Hey, John, let

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<v Speaker 2>me let you run for now. All I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 2>is that can you imagine if there was a five

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<v Speaker 2>year old child who was run over by a school

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<v Speaker 2>bus in Denham? Do you think six weeks later we'd

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<v Speaker 5>I think no, it's a disgrace. A week or two

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<v Speaker 5>tops there should have been done.

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<v Speaker 2>You thanks, John, appreciate it, Thank thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye bye. Let me go to Tom down on the Cape.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom on Cape Cord, Tom, where are you calling from

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<v Speaker 2>on the Cape.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm calling from Dennis.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, Dennis, beautiful town. There, go right ahead, Tom.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we're spoken. We're spoken before from Dennis. Sure, what

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<v Speaker 5>was I gonna say? I got the reason. The reason

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<v Speaker 5>it's taken seven years was Donald Trump. Chidge his administration

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<v Speaker 5>charged her federally because the state wouldn't charge this judge

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<v Speaker 5>Joseph with any crime, and then as soon as the

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<v Speaker 5>Biden administration come in, his administration dropped the charges.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think what they did there, Yeah, I got

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be fair, okay, But my understanding is

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<v Speaker 2>that what the Biden administration did was they worked the

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<v Speaker 2>deal whereby the federal charges were dropped with the understanding

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<v Speaker 2>that the State's Judicial Conduct Commission UH would look into that, which,

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<v Speaker 2>of course today now results in the hearing that started today.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how many days the hearing's going to take.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to me it's you know, it's it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a lot of he said, she said, But

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that this hearing officer can do a thorough

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<v Speaker 2>and transparent job. And if she's as as clean as

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<v Speaker 2>the driven snow, then then she should be treated accordingly. If,

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<v Speaker 2>on the other hand, she cooperated with all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>then I think her status as a judge has to

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<v Speaker 2>be called into question, and that's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>decision that will be made by the State Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 2>all of whom are appointed by governors here in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you said, you said, in all fairness, but how

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<v Speaker 5>can it be. I don't see fairness with the Biden

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<v Speaker 5>administration turning it over to another liberal administration to take

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<v Speaker 5>care of another liberal judge who's obviously has leaning towards

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<v Speaker 5>the left. And also another thing you have to know

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<v Speaker 5>is that this Judicial Conduct Commission does not have the

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<v Speaker 5>right to fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Her, no minderstanding that rests with the State Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Judicial Conduct Commission, the hearing officer will write

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<v Speaker 2>a report which then the state. It's gonna go on

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<v Speaker 2>for weeks, if not months. No, it's this happened in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen, and here we are almost ten years later.

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<v Speaker 2>We're eight years later, and we're still dealing with it.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, if you had a couple of tryn to

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<v Speaker 5>let it die peaceful death?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, right, we should all have such a peaceful death. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>If you had a couple of you had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of parking tickets in Barnstable County, uh, your license, they

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't leave open the question of your license for for

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<v Speaker 2>for eight years. They'd pull your license In a New

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<v Speaker 2>York second.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, absolutely, It's just it's it just comes down to

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<v Speaker 5>the bottom line, is it's a liberal judge being protected

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<v Speaker 5>by a liberal administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's see what happens. The only thing I could

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<v Speaker 2>say to you right now is the story is not

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<v Speaker 2>yet written. Let's see what Let's see how this all transpires.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason I'm talking about it tonight is because it

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<v Speaker 2>happened today, and it also I think that the public

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<v Speaker 2>should be interested in this. I mean I could do

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<v Speaker 2>a subject tonight and ask people what's your favorite color?

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<v Speaker 2>What good does that?

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<v Speaker 3>Do?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I want people to think about these issues. That is,

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<v Speaker 2>you obviously have thought about it greatly, and I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that you've taken the time to call.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, here's the other thing is it's going to you

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<v Speaker 5>and I. Let's put it this way. You and I

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<v Speaker 5>will speak after the after the fact, and see what

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<v Speaker 5>the outcome is.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you will, and I will gladly accept your

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<v Speaker 2>phone call and we can we can then determine whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not indeed justice was done fair enough.

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<v Speaker 5>Continue your good work.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Dennis, and please keep listening to Night's side, and

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<v Speaker 2>continue to continue to call. Because some nights, when you

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<v Speaker 2>talk about topics and you don't get the audience to

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<v Speaker 2>rise in unison and say this is wrong, you just

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<v Speaker 2>wonder up do people care anymore. And I think the

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<v Speaker 2>politicians in Massachusetts essentially count on that that that the

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<v Speaker 2>average person in Massachusetts we're so busy trying to uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, work, pay our taxes, keep keep our jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't focus a lot on issues that we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about here. And that's and that's unfortunate. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>delighted there are people like you who listen to the

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<v Speaker 2>show and take the time to call. Thanks. Thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, thanks, thank thanks Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk soon, have a great night. We'll take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take a quick commercial message. I got a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of open lines. Actually, if you'd like to finish out

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<v Speaker 2>wrong we will talk about the LA riots after eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>but I want to talk about this, what should happen

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<v Speaker 2>with Shelley Joseph, and more importantly, are you confident, uh

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<v Speaker 2>do you have confidence in the system that justice will

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<v Speaker 2>be done? I would like to say I had confidence

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<v Speaker 2>in the system, but frankly, I don't. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how this is going to turn out. But it just

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me this has gone for quite a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Six one, seven, two, five, four ten, thirty six one

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<v Speaker 2>seven nine three one ten thirty. Coming right back on

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<v Speaker 2>night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Allright, back to the phones, we go, gonna go to

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<v Speaker 2>who's next. We got Tom in West Virginia. Tom will

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<v Speaker 2>have a point of view here Tom, welcome back. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay? So you've got a judge, yes, sir, that basically

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<v Speaker 5>let an illegal aliens sneak out the back door.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the allegation.

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<v Speaker 5>You're a you're a lawyer, Yes, I am. In in

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen okay. So in nineteen twenty nine, Congress passed the

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<v Speaker 5>law Section thirteen twenty five and thirteen twenty six of

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<v Speaker 5>US Code. Part of chapter eight addresses criminal offenses as

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<v Speaker 5>related to immigration. That illegal immigrant had been twice entered

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<v Speaker 5>the country illegally. That is a felony at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you're talking in the country. You're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that Medina Perez who was able to leave

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<v Speaker 2>the court through the back door, Jose Medina Perez, in

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<v Speaker 2>the company of his lawyer. Go I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that we got the same guy. Go ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>go right ahead, all right.

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<v Speaker 5>So here's the point. If a person enters the country

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<v Speaker 5>unlawful for the first time, it is considered a misdemeanor,

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<v Speaker 5>but if they enter a second time unlawfully, it is

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<v Speaker 5>considered a felony. Okay, So she just let a guy

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<v Speaker 5>that twice was ordered to leave the country. She let

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<v Speaker 5>out a guy who committed a felony.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry again, that's assuming what's gonna happen, Tom, Just

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<v Speaker 2>hold for one second. Okay, she's undergoing the hearing at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, Let's see what the hearing officer. She has

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<v Speaker 2>not been convinced.

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<v Speaker 5>Damn kangaroo court. I have no faith, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you have no faith? And guess what, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of faith either. All I'm just saying, Tom,

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<v Speaker 2>is for purposes of clarity you, I want to hold

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<v Speaker 2>you and me to a higher standard, Okay, And that

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<v Speaker 2>is she hasn't been convicted of anything yet. We've explained

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<v Speaker 2>for people to understand. She was indicted, the indictment was

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<v Speaker 2>withdrawn with the understanding that we're going to have this,

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<v Speaker 2>this this event today, seven years after the event. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that in of itself, that cannot be denied. Factually,

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<v Speaker 2>that what happened was in twenty seventeen. To hear, we

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<v Speaker 2>are in twenty twenty five, eight years later, and it

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<v Speaker 2>still hasn't been adjudicated.

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<v Speaker 5>No, and it's gonna be a kangaroo court, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>going to be given the usual national public radio language

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<v Speaker 5>of well, she.

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<v Speaker 3>Blah blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 5>And she's gonna get her wrists slapped. And you know something,

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<v Speaker 5>you wonder why guys like me have no faith in

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<v Speaker 5>the judicial system anymore, is because you know what, if

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<v Speaker 5>we like your politics, We're going to bend the rules.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm fed up with it. And all I have

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<v Speaker 5>to say is.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think I'm talking about this case tonight?

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<v Speaker 5>Tom No, I'm glad you are okay. And for the

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<v Speaker 5>highly educated white liberals that I went to high school

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<v Speaker 5>with that talk about insurrections on January sixth, well, what

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<v Speaker 5>is going on in Los Angeles now with people that

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<v Speaker 5>are holding up traffic that are not peacefully protesting, yet

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<v Speaker 5>the news media tells me they're peacefully protesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, the news media that I that I watched over

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend certainly showed a lot of pictures of cars

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<v Speaker 2>being burned, of high quality, high intensity pyrotechnics being exploded.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean that looks like a riot.

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<v Speaker 5>To me, Yeah, and they won't. And this is the

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<v Speaker 5>problem Dan with people that are in the new media.

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<v Speaker 5>I went to a guy from who worked with the

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<v Speaker 5>Associated Press, who taught at Wheaton College. Okay, he is

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<v Speaker 5>the most biased person I have ever met. And what

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<v Speaker 5>we've had in this country for the last fifty years

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<v Speaker 5>is a bunch of leftist professors that claim to be

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<v Speaker 5>we're trying to be objective, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just off track. I'm going to talk about the I

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<v Speaker 2>know we are. I'm going to talk about the l R.

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<v Speaker 5>How how is the news media reporting it nationally.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll give people an opportunity, Tom after the eleven o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>news to to have at it. I watched a lot

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I've gotten a fairly accurate I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm hearing anybody say they were peaceful protests, because

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<v Speaker 2>you can't say that with the cars being burned, Mexican

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<v Speaker 2>flags being flown, et cetera. I mean, I just think

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<v Speaker 2>that it's it's pay Do you.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I do? Watch CNN, Yes I do. I watched.

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<v Speaker 5>Betrayed It.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I listen, I will take Tom. Tom, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth time you said it, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you for the fourth time, I will take your

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<v Speaker 2>word for it. Okay, and let's see if other people

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<v Speaker 2>have seen CNN, because that's we're going to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's perfect segue to the other side of the eleven Okay, Tom,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks as always, You're you're you're a good caller, challenging caller,

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<v Speaker 2>but a good caller, and I appreciate it. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, we have the news that is coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about what's going on in Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles and you can tell me if it's a peaceful demonstration.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a peaceful demonstration in Boston today that was peaceful,

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<v Speaker 2>but it weren't. They're not peaceful in Los Angeles. Coming

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<v Speaker 2>back on night Side right after the eleven o'clock news,

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<v Speaker 2>jump on board the LA riots. Your perception, your perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>coming back