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Speaker 1: Jingle Mel Jingle Mal jingle mel rock.

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Speaker 2: All Right, everybody, welcome back to the Surely You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast? Jason, is this the episode that we

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start with someone plummeting off of the tall building? Or

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is this the episode that we end with someone plummeting

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off of the tall building?

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Speaker 1: Well? I guess we can talk about both today, So

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I guess if you're ready, let's do this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, ready? One? Two? Is it one? Two? Three? And

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then go? Or do we go on three? Welcome back, everybody.

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We are so excited.

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Speaker 1: This is episode three of the Diehard versus Lethal Weapon.

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Speaker 2: This is the last episode of our movie comparisons of

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the year. But we may have something special in store

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just before Christmas. Which will that be a surprise.

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Speaker 1: That's right coming Christmas Eve? Or maybe twenty third We're

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not sure yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Quick shout out to our new Patreon member Brad Moore.

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He is the executive producer of today's show.

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Speaker 2: Brad, Thank you so much for donating through Patreon. It

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. And here we go with

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episode three.

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Speaker 2: Ingle Heart pick all of the tales in Western Civilization

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that have a love story and component have a guy

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saving a princess, right, yeah, absolutely part of it, so absolutely.

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And then we've got Death of Number two and lethal

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Weapon mister Joshua Mister Joshua, which is preceded by a

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fight scene, yes, which is really dumb. It's a little absurd,

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It's yes, it is. It's incredibly incredibly dumb, and I

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love watching it. It's every single time. It is like

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the oxygen tank in the mouth of Jaws. That's just absurd.

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But if you've come along this far along in the ride,

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you want that payoff, You're ready for it, and you

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buy in full tilt. You got Marta refusing refusing to

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follow the rules just so that Riggs can have his

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fisticuffs with mister Joshua.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but can you imagine coming to end of that movie,

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you have Special Forces Killer one, Special Forces Killer two

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and they arrest him and take him without a fight.

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Speaker 2: No way, right, right?

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Speaker 1: So Riggs asking for if he wants to shot the title.

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Speaker 2: So cowboy, it is so cowboy, so amazing, and the

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entire LA Police Department along with the helicopter say yeah,

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heck yeah.

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Speaker 1: Let's let these guys fight.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and then, of course it can't end with just

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a beat up. It's got to end with bullets, right, absolutely,

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bullets from both of our heroes. Yes, And then we

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have and die Hard, the twist ending the surprise return

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and resurrection of what we thought was the dead villain. Yes, Carl,

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And who is it that saves the day? Not Roy, No,

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absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: It's it's Al Palell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he has made his transition to he has become

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that thing that he was afraid of becoming again. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Listen, when I saw die Hard in the theater. Yeah,

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and I'm not exaggerating, people stood and cheered, Yeah, stood

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and cheered.

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Speaker 2: Yeah in a movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when Al Powell pulled.

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Speaker 2: His guy yep, because it's freaking awesome. Right.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the guy.

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Speaker 2: Who you just think is the fat twinkie eating can't

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drive a car cop is ultimately the guy who saves

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the hero in the movie without a doubt. I love it. Yeah,

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I mean too. And that brings us to the end.

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Happy endings in both movies. Happy ending for die Hard.

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they drive away into the sunset. I realize it's not

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into the sunset, but it looks like.

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Speaker 1: It, right, it could be, And you get that great

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line from Argyle. This is their idea of Christmas. I

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got to be here for New Year's right, while it's snowing, bear.

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Speaker 2: Bonds right because it doesn't snow in La.

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Speaker 1: No fantast it's fantastic now.

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Speaker 2: The ending for Leith a Weapon, unsurprisingly by Shane Black,

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was not supposed to be a happy ending. It was

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a parting of ways, we're not going to see each

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have to have the Hollywood ending.

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Speaker 1: They filled it. Did you see that scene?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so. Yeah, it's depressing. It's depressing, yes, now, and

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Shane Shane Black is kind of big on this. You know,

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doesn't like the Hollywood endings, which is why Riggs dies

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at the end of his Lethal Weapon two script that

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Speaker 1: Riggs gets shot nineteen times at the end of leath

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those cigarettes away.

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Speaker 2: What we do get is the moment where he hands

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the bullet over. Right, we realize that he does. He

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says it he doesn't need it anymore because at the

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by the end he has a new family.

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Speaker 1: He does, He's been adopted into the murtav family. He says,

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if you think I'm gonna eat the world's worst Christmas

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dinner by myself, you're crazy. And Rick says, I'll tell

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you a little secret. I'm not crazy. Yeah, it's great,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. As a kid of the eighties, I like Hollywood endings,

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absolutely right. I don't want my hero to die at

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the end.

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Speaker 1: No, no, which is why we hated the Last Jedi.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that does it for me. For the plot.

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You got anything else?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I got tia, but it's coming out of

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my mouth. Come all right, So here's a few things

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Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that Leonard Nimoy was originally supposed to

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direct weapon?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so Leonard Nimoy ended up doing three minutes

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a baby instead of leth a weapon.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, kind of interesting.

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Speaker 1: There's a point in the movie at the beginning Murta

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tells Riggs that Huntsacker saved his life in a certain

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battle in Vietnam.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Bill Gibson portrays this exact battle, and we were soldiers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it. We were soldiers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I got something that's going to blow away.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, here you go.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna blow you No, no, no, I got

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something that's gonna blow you a d Okay, this will

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blow your doors off.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: The burretta that Mel Gibson uses in this film is

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the same prop gun used in Die Hard that Bruce

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Willis tapes to his back.

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Speaker 2: What same gun?

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Speaker 1: No, same gun? Okay, according to my extensive internet research,

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same gun.

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Speaker 2: According to an obscure webs law.

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Speaker 1: Okay. A running gag in the Lethal Weapon movies, is

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the one two wait wait wait wait heys one, two,

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three and then go or one dude like three?

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Speaker 2: Right this running gag?

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Speaker 1: Part two, Yes, but it starts between Rigs and Merta

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and part two Yes, when Myrta is on the toilet, Yes,

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toilet bomb. But if you'll, if you'll go back to

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the beginning of Lethal Weapon, when they are singing Silent Night,

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when the cops are singing in Silent Night so bad

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wasn't until this most recent time. But they're like, wait, wait, wait.

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Speaker 1: Wait, the cops keep starting too soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right. A couple of things on Diehard that you

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may not know. Yes, Hans Booby, Hans Booby, I'm your

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White Knight improvised line by ellis totally so when you

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see Hans's reaction, when you see Alan Rickman's reaction, it's

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genuine because he was not expecting that.

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Speaker 1: I must have missed sixty minutes.

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Speaker 3: What are you saying?

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Speaker 1: Can we let's talk about Elis for one second Okay,

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he is the biggest sleeves ball. Huh cokehead, yep, scumbag. Right,

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here's something that I have a theory on. You ready

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for this? Yes, they make this big to do about

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Speaker 3: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, here's what I'm thinking. Yeah, I think Ellis

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asked somebody there if they had any coke.

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Speaker 2: Probably right, that's probably.

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Speaker 1: Right, and they went and got him Coca cola.

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Speaker 2: Here's one for you. Okay, Okay. So they brought in

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humor in there. Yep. He first meets Bruce Willis. They're

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only five years age difference. Stephens Desuza is five years

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older than Bruce Willis. Okay, and they start talking and

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they realized that they grew up in the same area. Oh,

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by the way, most German actor in this movie Bruce

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was raised. They knew some of the same hangouts. They're

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having a good time. They start talking about old TV

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shows that they liked, and one of the old TV

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shows that they liked was Roy Rogers Call Me Roy. Yeah,

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and they both start talking about Yippi Kaya and how

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much they like that line, and the Susan says, I'm

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Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, Okay, we are a PG thirteen podcast.

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We're not going to say the big MF firs, so

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don't turn us off. But that line, Yeah, Bruce Willis

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drops it like a freaking atomic bomb.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so like whispered subtle brilliance.

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Speaker 1: He sprinkles f words throughout Diehard. Okay, they're all over

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the place, but this one is a freaking cruise missile, right,

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And he says it was such cool and such style. Yes,

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and it's one of the greatest movie lines of all

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time that I can't say on this podcast. Yes, Yippi kaye. Yeah,

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it's so good.

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Speaker 2: So at one point they had been filming all day,

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all day long. De Susan goes home as soon as

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Soon as he walks in the door, Joel Silver calls

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him up and says, you got to come back. He's

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like what why? He goes These morons built the vents

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to spec so they had this whole plan that Bruce

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you have this tight enclosed moment. And so Desusa comes back,

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to the coast. We'll get together, we'll have a few less.

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what it feels like to be a TV dinner. That

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Speaker 1: Willis improv Wow, that's awesome.

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that any human being can fall that far and catch him.

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is plummeting. Yeah, and but they're like, no, we can

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Speaker 2: We'll just cut it that it. Yeah, cut to his fingers,

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to his fingers. Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Hey, did you know there's one scene in particular Bruce

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so that he can run across the glass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shoot the glass.

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supposed to be German. He says something in German, Carl

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doesn't understand, and so then he says in English, shoot

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the glass. Because he's not talking to us. He's not talking,

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he's talking to the audience. Right, So good. I got

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that you get your exposition through the arguments of the characters. Okay,

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Raiders because he's teaching the government guys about the arc, right,

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and so it's this opportunity, but he's I mean, it's

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an obvious exposition. He's telling a long story, it's not

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an argument. And the same thing with Back to the Future.

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everything with the TV. But with both of these movies,

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long exposition type of thing. It's all just an exchange,

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like them trying to you know, paper thin, right, this

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idea that there's something more going on than just a

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bad drug deal until the paper thin pays off. But

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it's always arguments between them. Yes, same thing in Diard.

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Al Powell or those conversations that really informs the audience

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about what's going on. I just I thought that was

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Speaker 1: Skillful both circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay.

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to mention briefly and then maybe we can get into

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sequels a little bit. Yeah, there is a bumper sticker

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that's taped to the Murtaz refrigerator that says in apartheid

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in part two, the bad guys are South African. Also

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Riggs's wife Vicky Riggs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Victoria Riggs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was killed by the South African bad guys

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that you find out that far too, Yes, So yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, let's talk about Seaquls. Here's an interesting thing,

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you know. I talked about how Bill and Ted face

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the music starts off kind of slow. Yes, I don't

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really think about it, but that kind of was the

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way movies started out until Leith A Weapon Too. Lethal

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Weapon Too is really if I'm looking back, it's the

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first movie that I can think of where you start

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in the middle of the action and it's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: It's not like you just start at adventure. You're in

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the middle of a car chase. Like the opening title sequence,

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Rigs is pounding the ceiling. I love this job. It's

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full throttle right out of the Gate. Leath the Weapon two.

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Speaker 2: Has a lot more humor.

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Speaker 1: It's it's leaning on that chemistry between those two actors,

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and it's absolutely fun. You still have Crazy Rigs. It's

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way more funny.

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Speaker 2: It's funny. It's certainly got its way. It's way dark

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in spot, you know. Yeah, I mean you've got got

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the death of the hot South African girl. Yeah. I

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can't remember her name. But anyway, which I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know if you know this or not, you can

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Speaker 2: Two show her mispronouncing her name.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is her name, like five yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You could also see a original ending where she's having

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Thanksgiving dinner with Riggs and mertas she lived the first

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time through Oh Wow, but they changed it because they

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wanted Crazy Rigs to come out.

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Speaker 2: So I get great. Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Leith the Weapon two, love it. Yeah, Leith Weapon three.

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Speaker 2: Fun with the one on gently No, that's four okay,

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that's the one where we get Renee Russo for the

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Speaker 1: You get Renee Russo in part three she's introduced, but

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part two you get Leo gets introduced.

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Speaker 2: Which is Joe Pesci fantastic fantastic. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When I asked my wife what her favorite part of

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Leith the Weapon was, yes, all she could tell me

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was Leo gets line. Right, okay, No, they have you

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in the drive through, yeah, okay, and then it progresses.

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So two three four you have jet Lee and.

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Speaker 2: You by the way, sorry before we go too far.

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That Leo Getz part was originally written for John Lovetts.

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Three Amigos, John Lovett's part and Three Amigos. They saw

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that and that was the inspiration for Leo gets part.

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Speaker 1: Remember love love love that character.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So two three four of Leeth Weapon, you yourself just said

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you can kind of missmash them because they're all great, right,

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I mean great is a strong, They're all fun.

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Speaker 2: Are we going to talk about five?

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about five.

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Speaker 2: Five is in the works. It's twenty twenty. Mel Gibson

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is sixty four years old.

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Speaker 1: What's Danny Glover? If he was fifty and eighty seven,

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that means he's eighty three.

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Speaker 2: Dick Donner is ninety and he's doing it.

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Speaker 1: Good for him.

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Speaker 2: For ear least web in five. Sure, I don't know

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what they're gonna do with it, but sure, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Heck yeah, yeah, yes, more old. He was too old

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for it in eighty seven, and he's not too old

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for anym It's great. Yeah, okay die Hard sequels.

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Speaker 2: Okay, die Hard Part.

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Speaker 1: One one of the greatest action movies of all time.

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Speaker 2: Ar you believe the perfect action movie.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue against that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Part two good, good, very good. Again. You trade

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in your German mercenaries for your American mercenaries. You got

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a couple of bad guys to be concerned about. You've

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got the confined space again. It is right, Yes, I

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mean it is. It is another die Hard. It for

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sure is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, a step down, but who wouldn't step down from

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a ten? I mean it's it's still a very good movie. Yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: Part three, Diehard with the Vengeance.

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Speaker 1: It's good, and it's good. It's okay, it's okay. He's

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running around New York City trying to figure out clues.

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Simon says, this, do that and this that was written

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as a lethal weapon sequel. What Diehard with a Vengeance

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was originally written as a Lethal Weapons sequel. Oh my gosh, wow,

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So there you go. So Shane Black tells a story

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about going to he did the rewrites for Last Action.

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He wrote, okay, right, last movie that I walk out of, right, Yes.

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Speaker 2: And what I understand is John McTurnan rewrote the rewrites,

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which is why you have such a terrible movie. And

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so it comes out and obviously everybody felt about the

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same way that you did. Yeah, it was not a

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well received movie at all. And so they have their

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after party where everybody can't talk about the movie, like, well,

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food sure is good. So and so she Black tells

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the story of how he like after that is over,

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He and Arnold and John mcdernan are sitting there having

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a beer together. I just can't even imagine that, but

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talking about it, and basically they changed the subject to

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Diehard with a Vengeance and John mcnernon starts smiling again

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because he was totally defeated after Last Action. Hero did

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so badly, but he was he came back to direct

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Diehard with a Vengeance.

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Speaker 1: What about Diehard four and five?

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Speaker 2: I didn't even watch their crap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they're crap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, here's what happens. He turns into the invincible hero. Right. Yeah,

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he went from a flawed hero which we love and

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can identify with, to Superman who it's it's not interesting.

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Speaker 1: The action was a sirt so sequels I definitely. Oh

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and Lethal Weapon has a TV show that was well

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received until the guy played Martin.

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Speaker 2: Riggs got fired. Yeah, that's that's the story for another day.

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Speaker 1: Right, But the sequels for Lethal Weapon are definitely stronger

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than the sequels for Diehard.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe my favorite sequel to die Hard right

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now is the Diehard commercial. That is where he crashes

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through the window and says, I'm gonna need one of

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those and then hops into the Great Man. It's great. Yes, Okay,

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little note on John mctarne. Did you know that he

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was arrested and then went to prison. So we're talking

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about one of the biggest directors of the eighties and nineties.

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He is potentially a guy who can call his own shot, right, Yeah,

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for sure.

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Speaker 1: So there's even after the last Action, even after.

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Speaker 2: The last Action Hero, he still got tired with a vengeance.

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He's still got a ton of movies to his credit.

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And then he hires this guy named Anthony Pelicano. He

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was a private investigator, also a fixer, also a really

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slimy guy, and was used by a lot of Hollywood

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folks and basically got a lot of dirt on aho

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lot of Hollywood folks as well. So he used him

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to spy on his wife whenever they were getting a divorce,

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and then he also called him back up again whenever

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he was directing the movie Rollerball, because he was worried

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that this producer on Rollerball was trying to sabotage him,

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and so he wanted to have this guy check and

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make sure he wasn't sabotaging him. Well, this guy's tactics

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were not legal in the strictest sense of the word,

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and he got in some big trouble with the FEDS,

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and so an FBI agent calls John mcturnaon and says, hey,

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have you ever used this Anthony Pelicana as a private investigator?

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John mcturn and says, yeah, I used him whenever I

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was going through my divorce. So I had him, you know,

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do some investigation of my wife. And they have the

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investigators like anything else, and John mturn says, no, that's

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a lie. That would be lying, that would be lying

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to a federal officer, which is a felony offense, and

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so ultimately I don't want to go into the big

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story of it, but you know, he agreed to do

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four months and then he withdrew it and then ended

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up doing twelve months in prison, filed for bankruptcy while

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he was in prison, and lost everything. I mean, it's gosh, huge,

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huge deal for this guy who's like at the top

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of the wave. I mean, it's just crazy that somebody

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at that position could lose it all. Its tragic.

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Speaker 1: It is the guy who directed Predator, the guy who

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directed Diehard, last Action Hero Huntred October. This guy went

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to jail and lost it all.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk composers. Okay, before you do that.

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Speaker 1: I got one little titbit that I wanted to throw

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in and that I forgot to do it. The other day,

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when John is plucking glass out of his feet, al

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Pal is like, how you doing, and he makes the

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comment he says, all things being equal, I'd rather be

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in Philadelphia. Yes, okay, this I've heard this quote my

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entire life. I knew it was referencing something, but I

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didn't know until I started looking.

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Speaker 2: I know it. Okay, this is one of those things.

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This is the trivia card I would get. I know this.

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This is the last words a W. C. Fields. Yeah, yes,

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it's fantastic. So. W. C.

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poke fun at his hometown. And basically the reference was

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the grave was just slightly worse than being in Philadelphia.

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Fields quote President Reagan. After he was shot, he wrote

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on a note they said how are you feel? And

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he said, all in all, I'd rather be in Philadelphia.

468
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 2: That fantastic. Okay, So let's talk composers. Okay, except that

469
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,559
we're not going to talk composers. We're going to talk

470
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:20,480
composer because it's the same guy for both movies. So

471
00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:26,599
Michael Kaman is a guy who has a huge library

472
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,960
of film work. I mean, it's amazing. And he's not

473
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,319
one of those ones that pops up like Con Zimmer

474
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,359
or John Williams or any of those guys that I

475
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:35,759
did not.

476
00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:37,799
Speaker 1: Know his name before we started looking into.

477
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: This, but it's huge. He's I mean, his music work

478
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:43,359
is huge. And he was a guy who was classically

479
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,160
trained but also just had a love for all kinds

480
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,920
of music, and he did stuff with so many rock

481
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,799
and roll artists. I don't think I could possibly list

482
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,200
them all. Wanted to be a composer's whole life. But

483
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:59,200
he started off arranging music with Pink Floyd for the

484
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:05,039
movie The Wall. But he worked with Roger Waters, David Gilmore, Queen.

485
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,640
He did the orchestration for Who Wants to Live Forever

486
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,400
from Highland, was the composer for Highlander, worked with Eric

487
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,720
Clapton Aerosmith. He did the live orchestral part for Dreamson.

488
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:21,640
He worked with Bond Jovie. He worked with the Arrhythmics,

489
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,599
Metallica on the Nothing Else Matters and their whole that

490
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,759
whole live album that he did the ES and M

491
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,839
He was the s part. He was the symphony for

492
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,839
their Metallica's That's Fantastic.

493
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: Why have we not heard of this guy?

494
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. He passed away like

495
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,519
in November eighteenth, two thousand and three, of a heart attack.

496
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,960
But he got called on to work on leth a weapon,

497
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,599
and he said, no, I'm not interested in action movies.

498
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,640
I don't like action movies. I don't want to do them.

499
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,119
And I think it might have been Eric Clapton. That

500
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,160
persuaded him to become involved with the movie, because you've

501
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,680
got two themes going on with leth a Weapon. You've

502
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:03,799
got the sex theme, Sexy Sax, and you've got the

503
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:10,160
guitar theme. So the sas theme is Roger Marta, the

504
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,319
guitar theme is Martin Riggs. And then he goes on

505
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,279
to do action movie after action movie after action movie.

506
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,720
So after Lethal Weapon, he did Adventures and Babysitting.

507
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: Nobody gets out of Here without playing the Blues.

508
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: He did Renegades, he did License to Kill, he did Roadhouse,

509
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:31,000
he did Lethal Weapon two, he did Die Hard Too.

510
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,079
He did Nothing but Trouble.

511
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,599
Speaker 3: He did Hudson Hawk, he did Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.

512
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:40,519
He did The Last Boy Scout, he did Tales from

513
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:43,599
the Crypt, he did Lethal Weapon three, he did Last

514
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,559
Action Hero, he did The Three Musketeers, he did Don

515
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,240
Juan de Marco.

516
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 2: I mean it just goes on and on and on.

517
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,319
I mean it's and then he in ninety five he

518
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,319
did Mister Holland's Opus and oh yeah, you're a fan, right, yeah. Yeah.

519
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,839
So after that he started his own foundation called Mister

520
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:08,480
Holland's Foundation, that would provide used musical equipment for underprivileged. Yeah,

521
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,319
it's great. You mentioned Eric Clapton.

522
00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:13,279
Speaker 1: Eric Clapton actually does play the guitar for the Leath

523
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:14,640
of Weapon rigs theme.

524
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: Obviously he's got the Leath of Weapon theme. And then

525
00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:19,720
of course he did the music for Diehard as well,

526
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,319
and it is I mean, we know it's Beethoven, right,

527
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:23,680
we know.

528
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,319
Speaker 1: It's absolutely joy, yes.

529
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:28,599
Speaker 2: But I mean in order to do that, you have

530
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,440
to be able to take that and not only cut

531
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,079
it down, but slip it in and make it relevant

532
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,759
to what's going on in the film. And he did

533
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:42,559
it so well. I mean that music is perfect throughout.

534
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,359
He uses it throughout the movie along with the little

535
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,559
jingle bells to make sure that we remember that this

536
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:48,599
is a Christmas movie.

537
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yes, you know you talked about it at the

538
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,480
beginning at the Christmas party. Yeah, there is a four

539
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:57,319
piece orchestra at the Christmas party playing Ode to Joy.

540
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,039
That's diegetic music, diagetic music again, and he does slip

541
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:04,119
it in. He teases you with it, and then when

542
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,480
they open the vault and Hans and theo are raiding

543
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:11,240
the place, you get Oh to Joy a full tilt, right, it's.

544
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: Peak, Yes, at that peak moment, and then what does

545
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:31,559
he say? Merry Christmas?

546
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:34,559
Speaker 1: It's time. Okay, we've been waiting.

547
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's talk about it now. So here's the deal.

548
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,359
Speaker 1: We've been teasing this. I have my own battles with

549
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,640
my sister. She and I go back and forth on this.

550
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:45,960
I have a friend, Dana Smith. She likes to poke

551
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:48,920
the bear when she teases me about this. Are these

552
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,720
Christmas movies, d let's go they.

553
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: Are definitely Christmas movies. That's not just an opinion. We

554
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,559
can we can establish this through empirical and nowalysis of

555
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,319
the evidence in front of us. So, okay, despite the

556
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,480
fact that Bruce Willis caused a stir about three years

557
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,200
ago whenever he during his roast, he made this point

558
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,480
of I only did this to say that this that

559
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:19,480
die Hard is not a Christmas movie. Okay, I'll due respect, Bruce.

560
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,000
You didn't write the movie, that's right. You know who

561
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,200
wrote the movie, Stephen Stephen Dejesusan. You know what Stephen j.

562
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,079
Susan says.

563
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: It's the greatest Christmas movie of all time.

564
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: Yes, and he even created a chart. He created a

565
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,079
chart to prove his point and we'll go through that,

566
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,119
and he just obviously he just has die Hard that

567
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,079
he's taken off these points on. But let's look at

568
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,279
both Leath the Weapon and die Hard and the movie

569
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,599
White Christmas. Who know one, no one would argue that

570
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,000
White Christmas is not a Christmas movie. But let's look

571
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,680
at them all side by side. And you tell us,

572
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,359
after this empirical analysis of the evidence in front of us,

573
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:59,319
what you think. All right, let's go all right side

574
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:04,680
by side, here we go. Okay, takes place during Christmas holiday.

575
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:10,480
Die Hard, yes, takes place entirely during Christmas Eve, right, absolutely, Okay.

576
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:14,680
Lethal Weapon takes place week at the most but clearly

577
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,599
first scene is him buying Christmas trees when he makes

578
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,839
his drug bust. Last scene is You're not gonna make

579
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,759
me eat the worst Christmas dinner by myself, and so

580
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,160
obviously it the whole movie takes place during the Christmas holiday. Yep,

581
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:33,640
White Christmas final reel, only the rest of the movie

582
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,759
does not take place during the Christmas holiday a all

583
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:42,480
right setting, okay, die Hard obviously yes, Christmas part right, yep.

584
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:47,000
But we know from the movie in Lethal Weapon that

585
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:50,240
they are preparing for some sort of party, because they

586
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,079
have the quartet of officers practicing singing Silent Nights, So

587
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,839
there has to be some sort of event, which is

588
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:00,799
why they're prepping for this, which, as you mentioned, was

589
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,279
really the birth of is it do we go on

590
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:05,480
three or do we go one two three? Then go?

591
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,839
That's right, that was the birth of that. But still

592
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:11,599
they're singing in preparation. They're practicing in preparation for something.

593
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,440
So again, you have a Christmas party, White Christmas again

594
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,599
only the final reel.

595
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on one second before we move off from

596
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,400
Silent Night.

597
00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

598
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,839
Speaker 1: Do you know the name of the composer of Silent Night?

599
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:30,799
The original Austrian composer's name is Franz Gruber. No, yes,

600
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,799
what Franz Gruber?

601
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: Wow? Oh my gosh.

602
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: That's the point, Diehard, that's really amazing.

603
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,359
Speaker 3: All right.

604
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: So number of Christmas songs so far White Christmas is

605
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,839
losing two out of two battles, right right, Okay, so

606
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:54,960
number of Christmas songs in Lethal Weapon. We have the

607
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,640
beginning song Jingle Rock, jing Bell Rock. We have the

608
00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:03,000
quartet of officers singing Silent Night. Yes, and we also.

609
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: Have what else you've got? The bugs Bunny Holiday special

610
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,559
playing in the background.

611
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: That counts.

612
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: When Riggs is looking down the barrel of his own gun.

613
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:15,799
Speaker 2: That counts. That counts. So die Hard has three. It

614
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,519
has let it snow, It has Winter Wonderland, and it

615
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:24,240
has Christmas in Hollis by run d MC and so

616
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:28,000
three three, and what does White Christmas have? It has

617
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:33,839
White Christmas and snow, and that's it again, three for three.

618
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,920
White Christmas is losing to both die Hard and leave

619
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,319
the Weapon as a Christmas movie. Now at this point,

620
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,359
Steven DeSUS it gets a little bit weird. It gets

621
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,759
like he's talking about the party venue being threatened and

622
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:51,000
die Hard is by terrorists and White Christmas is by foreclosure.

623
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:53,839
I think that just makes the point that Diehard's more exciting,

624
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,359
not necessarily that it's a better movie. And then he

625
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,640
mentions that, you know, the German ring leader is Hans

626
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,400
Gruber and die Hard and a White Christmas is Hitler,

627
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,720
And so the point goes to White Christmas on that one,

628
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,559
again for weighty value, but not necessarily for Christmas. But

629
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,640
if we're looking at Christmas stuff really, then what we

630
00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:14,200
have to look at this is the key christ like

631
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:18,240
sacrifice leath a weapon. Mel Gibson is hanging by his

632
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,200
hands after being tortured and refuses to talk in a

633
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:27,519
sacrifice to save his partner and his daughter. Obviously at

634
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:32,400
christ Like sacrifice for sure. John McLane, running barefoot across

635
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:38,039
the glass, has his feet pierced in order to save

636
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:41,400
his wife and the rest of the people. Again, obvious

637
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,559
christ Like sacrifice. What's the sacrifice in White Christmas? Danny

638
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,960
Kay has to upgrade Vera Ellen's train ticket. I'm going

639
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,559
to say without question that both Leath a Weapon and

640
00:33:55,799 --> 00:34:01,319
die Hard beat White Christmas without any hesitation as Christmas movies.

641
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: This is not a fight, This is an execution. I've

642
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,079
got a few other things to throw on the pile,

643
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:14,159
all right. So die Hard is essentially about a husband

644
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,400
and a wife desperate to get their family back together

645
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:21,000
for Christmas. Yes, okay, Leath a Weapon, It's all about

646
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:26,079
a family taking in someone without a family. It's an adoption, yep, Okay, Yeah,

647
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,559
there are gifts given in Leath a Weapon. In Diehart, Okay,

648
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,920
the gifts given in Diehart, the Rolex McLain gives his

649
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:38,760
gun two hans Yeah okay, he then takes it immediately back.

650
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. And no bullets.

651
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,519
Speaker 1: Oh, no, bullets.

652
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: What do you think I'm having stupid hunks.

653
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,639
Speaker 1: Okay, the bad guys give themselves the biggest Christmas present

654
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,360
of the movie, and then McLain gives himself his own

655
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,679
gun at the perfect time, wrapped with season greetings gift tape.

656
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 2: If that doesn't tell you Christmas, when when the camera

657
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,239
pans back and you see a gun taped to his

658
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,760
back with the tape saying seasons greetings on the tape

659
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:12,199
and the music is going Jeans, it's fantastic. Yeah, tell

660
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,119
me again, it's not a Christmas movie. Bruce Sleath a weapon.

661
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: At the end of Leath the weapon, Rigs gives Roger

662
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:21,920
a gift wrapped hallow tip bullet, actually gives it's rheann.

663
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:23,800
She's like, it's a bullet. He's like, yeah, it's a bullet.

664
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,159
What he's saying is I'm not suicidal anymore, thanks to you. Right.

665
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:28,840
That's Christmas spirit? Is it? Not?

666
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: Christmas? All over the place?

667
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,119
Speaker 1: And then you have tons of Christmas reverences like twas

668
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:36,159
the Night before Christmas, you know, THEO. Hans even says

669
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,840
it's Christmas time, THEO it's the.

670
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:38,599
Speaker 2: Time for miracles.

671
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: Yes, And then of course you have. Now I have

672
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,440
a machine gun. Ho ho ho, with the Santa hat on,

673
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:46,320
with the Santa hat on.

674
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and then leath the weapon.

675
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: You've got Christmas lights, You've got the Christmas tree, You've

676
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,079
got the Christmas.

677
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,039
Speaker 2: Fight in the front yard. Oh wait, is that just

678
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,960
my family? No, everybody has a Chris everybody has a

679
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,119
front yard Christmas fight.

680
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: Everybody leave the weapon, has Christmas trees, caroling, presence, snow.

681
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,639
Those girls were messing around with snow.

682
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:13,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and die Hard it's snowing the barons.

683
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,039
Speaker 1: Absolutely music. As you said, John McLean's wife's name.

684
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: This is the key.

685
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:20,599
Speaker 1: It's Holly.

686
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: It is so brilliant you you totally call that, and

687
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,840
I can't believe I overlooked it. But knowing that you

688
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,840
have to say, this is not only a Christmas movie,

689
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,440
it is deliberately a Christmas movie.

690
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: Main themes of both movies family, love, joy, peace. Okay,

691
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:42,960
are we ready to move to final judgment?

692
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:44,159
Speaker 2: Let's do it? Okay?

693
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: Okay, am I going first?

694
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,119
Speaker 2: You're going first?

695
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,079
Speaker 1: All right, final judgment. I love both of these movies,

696
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,239
and I can't stress that. I know I say that

697
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,840
every time. Both of these movies are automatic watches. If

698
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,800
I'm passing by the channel and I see Leath the Weapon,

699
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,320
I'm stopping. If I see die Hard, I'm stopping. If

700
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I see die Hard, I'm stopping. I'm throwing my remote

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behind me. It's not I'm not changing the channel. Okay,

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it doesn't matter to me. Lethal Weapon is the best

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buddy cop and maybe the best movie of nineteen eighty seven,

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a movie packed full of Eighties gems. It's my favorite

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movie of nineteen eighty seven. Die Hard is in the

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conversation for best movie ever for me. Okay, so I

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do love wholeheartedly both of these movies. I love the

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Lethal Weapon franchise more, but I love die Hard as

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a standalone movie the most. For me, it's die Hard.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he kind of stole my thunder.

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Speaker 1: There's about time.

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Speaker 2: I just always wanted to say that. I mean, it's

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the end of the season here or done. I just

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wanted to be able to say it. Okay, Yeah, So

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two absolutely brilliant movies, without question. If they're on, I'm

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watching no hesitation. So the question is which one's better

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of these two amazing movies. Diehard is arguably the perfect

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action movie. It has little bits of action intermixed with

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comedy and story and struggles, and it is brilliant from

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beginning to end. Lethal Weapon is fantastic, but it has

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some flaws. The fight scene that you just mentioned, the

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holiday fight in the yard, that is ridiculous. That is

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just plain ridiculous. The suspense music as we're waiting and

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waiting and waiting for the cars to drive up in

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the desert is just unreal. I'm like, guys, I know

726
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you spend a lot of money on this shot, but

727
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you could have had this done about a minute and

728
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a half ago. Let's move on. And then the worst

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scene in the movie is at the very beginning where

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Roger Murtaz in the bathtub and his family comes in,

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and he doesn't hide the turtle head floating up out

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of the water. He just lets him sing Happy Birthday

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and gets a kiss from his daughter, and then sexy

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music starts playing. I don't know, that's just there are

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some things that just can't be excused in this movie,

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and so for that reason, I have to say Diehard

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wins as the better of these two movies. Now, you

738
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make an important point, franchise to franchise, Lethal Weapon wins

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hands down. Close. Leath the Weapon franchise is great. I

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can't wait to see what they do with five Richard

741
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Donners ninety and he's gonna do something amazing, I'm sure

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of it. Die Haard was pretty good after the second

743
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one was about the last good one. Really, I mean

744
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some people like the third one. I don't really care

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for it. And then he becomes this hero that you

746
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,119
can't be, which was I mean, the whole reason we

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loved it was how human he was. And so I

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am disappointed with where die Hard wind So there, I

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am franchise the franchise. Lethal Weapon wins. But we're not

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comparing franchises. We're comparing the movies and moving to movie

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without question, die Hard wins today.

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Speaker 1: All the weather outside but the fire, so best Christmas

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movie of all time?

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Speaker 2: That might be pushing in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Let us hear from you, guys, what is your favorite

756
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of these two die Hard versus Leath a Weapon. Tell

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us what your favorite.

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Speaker 2: Christmas movie is of all time? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're a Christmas vacation guy, or maybe you're an

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Elf guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah or girl? Yeah, guys were at the end of

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season one, we've covered so many movies, so many albums,

763
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so much stuff. Write in and tell us what's your favorite.

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Right in and tell us what you want to see.

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We love hearing these things. We've got guys who have

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supported us on Patreon. We have got guys who communicate

767
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,599
constantly with us via email, via Facebook, via Twitter, and

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we love it. Keep doing it. Come in, join the conversation.

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This is what we do for us to make connections

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with folks like you.

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Speaker 1: Jason, Merry Christmas, the Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 2: We will see you all next year. Let us know,

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let us know. We finally kiss good night. Oh I

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hate going out