WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.200 Right, and and he's used the word disjointed. I've used 2 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:06.040 it a couple of times in the stories. How do 3 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:10.279 you become undisjointed? If that's the right word with the 4 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:11.359 people you have on the roster? 5 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:15.480 Well, again, I you know, not to place all the 6 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:17.399 blame on him, but I think if if Caleb gets 7 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:19.719 it going, it's going to open it up for others. 8 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:22.679 I think, you know, they're going to some of the 9 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:25.480 attention will come off of him, and uh maybe they 10 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:26.879 leave more chances for the others. 11 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:29.280 Just kind of relax, Okay with that, We're going to 12 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:32.000 take our break here and come back now. We're back 13 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:34.119 live here. Thanks for joining us back though here on 14 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:35.960 I on the Ball. We went over a little on 15 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:39.320 the last segment, as you probably all know that let's 16 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:42.200 go take a break. Just kidding, No, you would be 17 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:44.719 when it kept hitting the commercials and it played back 18 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:47.240 to back for like eight minutes whatever it was. But 19 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:49.439 if you like to call, please do we have some time. 20 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:52.759 I'm not going to go to breaking news, although did 21 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:55.200 you have something that you said was happening. 22 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:58.280 Like what you got some Bowl games coming up to that. 23 00:00:58.399 --> 00:00:59.759 There's a lot a lot of stuff kind of happened 24 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:03.079 on this Uh, the Washington State football coach took the. 25 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:04.040 Job at wake Forth. 26 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:08.200 Washington State also lost their quarterback. I know this this 27 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:11.840 past week and to the transfer portal. So I don't know, 28 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:13.840 you feel sorry for some of those teams that are 29 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:17.879 still hanging around and waiting to join a conference as 30 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:18.719 soon as possible. 31 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:21.519 You did mention something at the beginning of the show, 32 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:24.480 not on the air, but off here with the former 33 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:27.280 ad here. Oh Greg Burn, Yeah, what was what was this? 34 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:31.719 He was, he's he's pleading with Alabama fans to help 35 00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:35.799 fight back with nil money. Apparently there's not enough there 36 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:38.519 because god, you know, they didn't get in the playoffs, 37 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:41.439 and uh, he's he's upset about that, and it's time 38 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.480 for alabamaation to fight back. He says, time for action. 39 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:48.640 You know, they still went nine to three. They did 40 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:51.799 lose to Vanderbilt. The world's gonna End's gonna. 41 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:52.400 End for Alabama. 42 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:54.760 You know, I don't know how much they need, but 43 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:58.040 their recruiting class was still ranked like fourth in the country, 44 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:01.159 behind you know, Texas and Georgia and. 45 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:05.439 Well either Oregon. Here's the other thing that I'll give 46 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:07.519 you credit for two in that conversation we had earlier. 47 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.280 What did you say about what I said? They finished 48 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:13.039 ninety three, So that NIL money is not going to 49 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.960 help right, beat that or built or what. You know 50 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:17.319 what I'm saying, it didn't help them. 51 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:19.280 Yeah, I wonder how Greg Burnin would have done here 52 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.439 with the nil because he was a really great fundraiser. Yeah, 53 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:24.479 in the you know, in the in the normal times, 54 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:27.960 but you know when things switched up, and the athletic 55 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.360 department was really at the beginning of this was really 56 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.680 not involved with nil SU. That was more of an 57 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:34.879 outside group and it still is. But now that you 58 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.639 know all this money is coming into the schools, you know, 59 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:40.479 starting what next year with the twenty million dollars coming 60 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:42.159 to each school, how that's going to play outs on? 61 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:44.319 Are the things I didn't realize that maybe you did this, 62 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.319 you did at the time. Okay, so they got twenty million, 63 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:52.080 twenty two million. They have percentages divvied out for these teams, right, 64 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:55.479 and someone said yesterday and I can't remember who saw 65 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:59.080 the sources is whatever, but that sixty five percent of 66 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:01.400 it is going to go to football and basketball. Right, 67 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:04.560 there's still twenty one other school. There's still twenty other 68 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.240 school of sports sports that they get a gift to 69 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:09.719 and there's not gonna be a lot of I don' 70 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:12.039 I think maybe it was it was Leb yeah talking 71 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:14.319 about this, and I'm thinking I thought it was going 72 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.319 to kind of be delivered equally. 73 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:17.840 I don't think so. 74 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:19.280 How naive of mine. 75 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:21.240 No, I mean those quarterbacks, they're the one they're still 76 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:22.240 making the big money. 77 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:26.240 The mind then, I know, honestly, like I said, David, 78 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:28.639 if I had a daughter or a son playing something 79 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:33.479 else who works just as hard in track or volleyball 80 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:37.000 or whatever, and they're getting a pittance of what the 81 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.240 quarterback is who's not even playing, right, that's a little 82 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:43.080 that's a title line thing, isn't it. Well? 83 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:45.919 And also too, that's probably again why the portal is 84 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:48.879 so full of two thousand athletes that are looking you know, 85 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:51.439 I just made you know, twenty five thousand dollars here 86 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:53.919 at ex University and this guy out here is making 87 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:54.680 fifty thousand. 88 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:56.800 Yeah, I'm gonna I mean, it's got to be that 89 00:03:57.919 --> 00:03:58.319 all of that. 90 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:00.240 They all have agents and they're all you know, I 91 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:03.199 mean where the big money is and you know where 92 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:04.240 they think they can play. 93 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:08.840 Yeah, it's all that Dave. It's just really strange. And 94 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:11.000 I'm sure you saw maybe you didn't. I saw a 95 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:15.000 column by Greg Hanson talking about the idea. I'm not 96 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:16.759 saying that there's not enough. And she's she was on 97 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:18.519 our showl last year and she talked about how did 98 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:20.199 they compete with the l s U s and the 99 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.160 other schools trying to get those players when they don't 100 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:25.000 have very much one hundred and fifty thousand whatever it is. 101 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:29.319 Guess what Arizona is? What it is? Yeah, it just 102 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:32.120 and you had to go and search money. You knew, 103 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.079 you one of those guys. How do you sell this place? 104 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:36.360 That Arizona is what it is? 105 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:38.759 Yeah, I mean you have to look and you have 106 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:42.680 to just try to get people, you know, connected somehow, 107 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:47.079 whether it's hosting events, there's all kinds of kind of 108 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:48.000 tricks to the trade. 109 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:50.720 How many were how many were there of you were 110 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:53.279 there in fundraising? 111 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:56.959 Oh, there's like, I don't know, sixty sixty quite a. 112 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:00.319 Few, Okay, so you're you get sixty people sixty it's 113 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:03.639 going out again or you know, in the field right, 114 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:08.720 searching for food, right, And it's it's it's part of 115 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:10.240 the part of the job. 116 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:11.040 It really is. 117 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:14.560 And then that's really what people I think alumni kind 118 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:17.439 of expect to be contacted sometimes, especially if they're doing well. 119 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:20.560 You know, there's the whales out there. I guess if 120 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:22.319 you want to, didn't really call them that. Sure, there 121 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:25.000 are people that big donors, and you hope that they 122 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:29.079 would find, you know, another reason to give. You know, 123 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:31.879 if football struggles again next year, you know they're going 124 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:35.079 to be looking even deeper. There's there's young people out 125 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.279 there too. There's a lot of people who are but 126 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:40.079 they also have to be loyal. I mean, they have 127 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:41.639 to be loyal to the school. They have to be 128 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:42.480 loyal to the team. 129 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.079 If they don't, Okay, like Steve, Steve rivera here ms 130 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:48.879 you calls me, says, dude, it's good luck to you. 131 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.360 I'm really not a fan, never really have been. Good 132 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:54.040 luck to you, and I wish you well, but I 133 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:55.680 can't do it, you know what I'm saying. 134 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:58.279 Well, I think the majority of people are that way. 135 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:00.399 I mean, there's there's a lot of people who are 136 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:02.079 given you know, one hundred dollars a year and tells 137 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:04.160 you about it, and there's not many giving you know, 138 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:06.319 ten thousand a year. But they want more than that, 139 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:08.839 and every school is looking for that. And Greg Byrne 140 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:11.240 when he was here, we're just mentioned with Alabama, you know, 141 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:13.439 when he was here, he was a phenomenal fundraiser. That 142 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:16.000 was his kind of claim to fame when he showed up. Oh, 143 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:20.839 he's a great fundraiser as opposed to whoever was before him. 144 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:20.240 You know. 145 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:21.800 And he learned from his dad, and he learned from 146 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:23.560 Jim live and Good who was also great at that. 147 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:25.839 Well, the guy that was very good at it, and 148 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:29.199 he was apprentice under Jim because he's a bs or 149 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:31.040 and he's a friend of mine, you can say that 150 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:33.720 is del Conte, Yeah, who was fantastic at it. He 151 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:36.439 did it at TCU and at Texas and he's got that. 152 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:38.800 He's got that, yeah and there, and they're probably the 153 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:41.879 richest team out there or school out there because of it. 154 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:44.399 He's done really well. But to be fair too, I 155 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.079 think that Desiree one of the reasons they brought her 156 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:51.639 in is she's that person too. But but how do 157 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:55.800 you become that person when you're you're the first you're new, right, 158 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:58.399 you're new, and if people kind of knew you, yell, 159 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:01.240 desire is coming in. We know what's but now she's new. 160 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:03.160 Now she has to find and shake hands and kiss 161 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:04.399 babies and do all this stuff. 162 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:06.279 Well, I mean other than I mean, Oregon's kind of 163 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:08.800 you know, new money, I guess in the last thirty years. 164 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:12.879 But like, look at these programs too, I mean, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, 165 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.240 they're all traditional powers. They've been around, you know, their 166 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.160 alumni is you know, goes back hundreds of years. Basically 167 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:21.519 they got all that oil money in Texas. Yeah, you know, 168 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:26.000 there's there's in Texas. And M's endowment is enormous. It's 169 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:28.000 up there with with everybody else, all the big ones. 170 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.439 I mean, you know if that's the case though, too, 171 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:34.040 why is in Stanford doing great because their endowments is number. 172 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:37.879 Well, because they're they're they're their priority on academics and 173 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:43.639 athletics is probably a little bit different, right Cal too, probably. 174 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:44.920 Yeah, Cal Stanford. 175 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:46.199 S C. 176 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.720 I'm sure they're because they're private, they don't have to 177 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:50.319 disclose everything. 178 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:53.240 Yeah. So so we'll see, we'll see what she does 179 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:56.279 and what they do and and uh and and you 180 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:57.920 know what, I know, it's about the money. I know 181 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.759 it is. I know it is. Uh, But if you 182 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:02.480 don't have the money, and Arizona has been this way 183 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:05.920 for a long time. They found ways by coaching them up. 184 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:10.079 You know, you're talking about Bama with all that they 185 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:14.120 had saving right, probably the Rolls Royce of coaches. Now 186 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.079 when you're when he's gone, how are you gonna find 187 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:20.040 another Rolls Royce? The coach they have now about Debau 188 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.279 is not a Rolls Rooye. Right, guess what, He's not 189 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.800 gonna turn into a Rolls Royce. He's just not a 190 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:30.560 Rolls Royce. So, yeah, Greg, you can bring all the 191 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.360 money in the world you bring in, it ain't gonna work. Yeah, 192 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:34.399 does that make sense? 193 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:37.399 Well, you're right because a lot of the players come 194 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:40.279 to Alabama because of Nick Saban you know, yeah, the 195 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:42.559 money too, but also against and get a chance to 196 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:44.320 play for him. He puts all these guys in the pros. 197 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:46.039 They can all kind of know what you're gonna get 198 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:46.600 when you get there. 199 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:50.039 That's why I think that North Carolina it's gonna do okay, 200 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.799 because they're gonna go for the reason to play for 201 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:57.039 for him, for him, and he's a pretty good coach. 202 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:02.200 And guess and you've seen this success snold balls into 203 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:03.240 more success. Yep. 204 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:05.799 Good coach, good good school, really good school. 205 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:08.639 Yeah, you know, and the conference is not going to 206 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:11.120 kill you in the ACC. It's not like he's playing 207 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:14.360 in the SEC or at the Big ten. So yeah, 208 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:17.080 I would not be surprised. I bet you know year 209 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:20.480 two that probably you know, ten wins things like that. Yeah, 210 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:21.919 and maybe in the playoff. 211 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:24.519 Right right, and he's seventy two ish, right, how much 212 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:26.679 long is he gonna go? Right? Right? Well, and then 213 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:28.559 his son will probably come in and blah blah blah. 214 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:32.120 But seventy two coach to his seventy five ish. I 215 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:35.519 know Luke wanted to coach longer, and the circumstances happen. Yeah, 216 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:37.480 it's we talk about the end game, right, I think 217 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:38.480 we talked about the end game. 218 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:38.720 Yep. 219 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:40.159 When do you say goodbye? 220 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:45.000 I thought Belichick did that? Yeah yeah, yeah, he's back, right, 221 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:46.679 he won't go away. He's a coach for life. 222 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:47.159 Yeah. 223 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:50.960 Well, well, coach k went probably a little bit too longer. 224 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:54.720 Too deep, Yeah, most of them. Do you know? The 225 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.799 checks keep cashing, the wins keep coming. 226 00:09:57.679 --> 00:09:59.960 Right, Yeah, mister Nike keeps sending your money. 227 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:02.440 We got about another minute or so and then we'll 228 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:06.399 take off and bring our guy from the Indianapolis Star, 229 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:09.320 Justin and I'll get his last name, I promise, talked 230 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:12.919 to him about covering McConnell, covering about Mathrin, all these guys. 231 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.639 I think he may have been covering them when when. 232 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:20.879 Jared Bayless no no. 233 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:26.480 No, the one that very stoic, very very good uh 234 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:30.879 player kind of started with Loot Uh is end of 235 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.480 Loot and with Sean didn't play for Lute, but she 236 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.919 came on with Sean. It'll come to me eventually, I'll 237 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.399 tell you. Yeah. Yeah, so talk about to Orans too. 238 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:46.519 He went from there to New Orleans. Yeah, why can't I? God, 239 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:47.759 getting old sucks. 240 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:51.679 I mean the Pacers have been around, of course from 241 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:54.080 the their ABA days, and they've had great success, you know, 242 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:57.000 pretty much forever. But that we'll talk about a basketball 243 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:59.679 state and now football state. With these two teams playing 244 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:01.639 each other around the of the college football playoffs, that's 245 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:03.200 gonna be kind of fun for Indianapolis. 246 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:07.519 Yeah, to have that Dustin dope brick, let me go. Okay, 247 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:13.159 so we'll see, Okay, bring him in. Okay, let's take 248 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:14.919 a break down. He's already texted me when are we 249 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:16.799 gonna call him? So let's do that and come back. 250 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.960 On the side with Just Streamy live on the Ihearts 251 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:24.080 Radio AB. This is I on the Ball with Steve 252 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:27.000 Ravera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty eight. 253 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:31.879 Hey, welcome back to my Iying the Ball here on 254 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:34.279 Fox Sports fourteen fifty I'm Steve Rivera and will be 255 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:36.440 the day is Dave Silver now on the phone. We 256 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:41.840 have Dustin Dope HERECT from the Indiana Star or or 257 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.240 Indianapolis Star. How you doing. I'm gonna keep you for 258 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.840 like ten minutes. That is that? Okay? So you were 259 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.039 waxing poetic, You were waxing poetic on TJ. How was 260 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:54.879 it covering? How is it covering him? 261 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:58.320 Yeah? No, it's been enjoyable basically from a just watching 262 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:01.960 him standpoint. Obviously that he's I mean, obviously he's a 263 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:03.600 heck of a player with certainly, you know, it's kind 264 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:05.399 of an inspirational sort when you look at the guy 265 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:08.799 that was went undrafted, was always undersized. I mean, I 266 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:11.000 grew up, I grew up in Pittsburgh myself, so I 267 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:15.120 had a outside of Pittsburgh myself, so I knew about him, 268 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:18.200 and obviously I graduated high school in college long before 269 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:21.080 he did, but you know had a sense of the mcconald's. 270 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.600 I mean obviously know his on Susie. I covered up 271 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:26.919 one of a couple of her names bacially when I 272 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.120 was living in Tennessee. I did Sweetlance to turn the 273 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:32.919 NCAA tournament when when Tid was there one year. So 274 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:35.039 knew about the mcconnald's and how important they were. And 275 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:38.840 I remember, uh, TJ. I mean TJ was really undersized 276 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:41.039 early high school and obviously grew up a little bit, 277 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.919 but still you consider I mean, he he's he's the 278 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.399 ultimate coaches kid. And then you know his dad certainly 279 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:49.840 was a big deal as a high school coach just 280 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:52.720 in the Pittsburgh area. But it's just that really smart, 281 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.240 really savvy player. But you know, you don't always expect 282 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:56.360 a guy like him to be able to make in 283 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:59.080 the NBA because that undersized. But if he's just been 284 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:02.240 uh for the Pacers, he has been so important for them, 285 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:05.279 and you obviously seem he's gone ten years into this 286 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:07.720 league and always found a way to make an impact somewhere. 287 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:11.840 But he fits this group particularly well. Their style of play. Basically, 288 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:14.000 they really under rikhy Allow and really since they got 289 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:17.200 Tyreez Halliburton in particular, they've played a lot faster. They've 290 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:20.600 based their idea of what they do on getting downhill 291 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:22.879 and playing with pace. They're not as good at it 292 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:24.639 this year as they were last year when they literally 293 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.519 were the highest scoring NBA team in forty years. But 294 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:32.639 it really fits. It really maximizes what he can do. 295 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:35.240 It allows him to really play downhill and opens up 296 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:37.679 his goal to score the basketball, and that's something he 297 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:40.960 didn't always do a lot of in Philadelphia or even 298 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:44.200 just with the Pacers, with the previous interierations under NAMEC 299 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:46.960 Millan named Yorker. And this opportunity has really allowed him 300 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.639 to flourish and to shine in ways that he never 301 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:52.799 had the opportunity to because I mean, he has this 302 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:56.759 really funky, fascinating game. There's not I haven't seen anybody 303 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:58.600 else in the league who plays like him. Yeah, and 304 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:00.559 he makes them a really really hard guard because he 305 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.200 gets down hill, he gets to this little six foot jumper. 306 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:06.159 He might run around underneath the backet basket and curl 307 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.840 around and get a shot there. There's this He scores 308 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:10.279 in ways and not a lot of other people do, 309 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:12.840 and it makes him a really really difficult cover. And 310 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:14.559 he's a guy that you I mean, basically, he'd just 311 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:16.399 drive you crazy if you have to defend him, because 312 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:18.120 he can just beat you in so many different ways. 313 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:21.200 And you've got this guy again. He's undersized, he's sixty one, 314 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:23.559 he's got no wingspan to speak of, but he found 315 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:25.519 a way to get bucket after bucket after bucket. He's 316 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:27.279 having the best year of his career at the age 317 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:27.799 of thirty two. 318 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.759 It's funny because Justin Day was in the business and 319 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:35.120 TV I went a newspaper business and and Sean would say, 320 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:36.919 he's gonna make it, He's going to do it maybe, 321 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:38.759 And we thought, Okay, you know, you're trying to, you know, 322 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:40.799 appease him and and all that stuff, and we're all 323 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.360 looking at each other. There's just no way ten years 324 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.559 later that he's rich and and doing exactly what you're saying. 325 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:50.759 Yeah, no, exactly. And then I talked to Sean a 326 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:53.000 little bit about him for a story I did last year, 327 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:56.279 and I think it's because, I mean, they see the 328 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:59.240 determination and Sean was a very it was a similar 329 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:03.720 player basically in Pittsburgh, you know, growing growing up there, 330 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:05.600 you know, pitt played a pit and everything like that. 331 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:08.440 I mean, Shaun was a better shooter, uh basically where TJ. 332 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:10.799 TJ apparently was a pretty good high schoo shooter right now. 333 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.000 You know, that's kind of one of the fascinating pieces 334 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:15.480 about it. The NBA has become so three corner driven. 335 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:17.399 H So you would think you can't make it as 336 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:19.320 a point guard in the NBA if you don't shoot threes, 337 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:21.879 and TJ barely ever does. I mean, basically, the only 338 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:24.039 time he shoots the three is if he feels like 339 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:26.960 he has to because he's wide open and he just 340 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.320 has to, you know, at least try to make them 341 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:31.039 pay when they go under a screen or something like that. 342 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:32.840 And every once in a while they'll hit one of those. 343 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:34.960 But you know, I mean, for a guy that doesn't 344 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:38.720 dunk and doesn't shoot threes, again, he's averaging double figures. 345 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:41.159 And if you if you you know, branched out like 346 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:43.960 his per thirty six numbers are crazy when you actually 347 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:46.279 consider the minutes he's playing. I mean, he's somewhere around 348 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:48.159 twenty a game because he is coming off the bench. 349 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:51.039 But it's it is fascinating how it works. I Mean, 350 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:53.240 this is the guy that's just determined and again I 351 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:55.480 mean like obviously basketball like he was through the roof, 352 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:59.559 you know, like the if he's passed the classic coach's 353 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:02.120 kids beyond, Like his level of basketball, like Q is 354 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:05.039 so high, right, But you know again, it's just found 355 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:09.960 something within this game basically, like something that nobody else 356 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:12.559 was doing and there's something therefore nobody else was prepared for. 357 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:14.799 And so you know that every once in a while, 358 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:17.559 That's how the game works in basketball, baseball, football, other 359 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:20.320 sports is sometimes you got to go the opposite direction 360 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:22.120 that everybody else is going, and that's where you find 361 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:25.200 your niche and your opportunity because you know, everybody else 362 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.320 gets used to defending whatever that is and they're not 363 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:28.960 used to this. And there's so many guys that you 364 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:31.000 watch you're like, you're just not ready for what he 365 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:33.080 can do. And because he can finish a butt in front, 366 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:36.639 you can finish behind. Had a really just fun conversation 367 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:39.159 last year with Tyree Salibert, and I asked him, basically, 368 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:41.440 ty how is he to do this? Because ty is 369 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.200 tie is also a fascinating guy basketball mind. You know, 370 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.480 at was just off the charts and he just was 371 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:50.039 like he's like, you know he's got every kind of finished. 372 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:51.200 He can beat you every. 373 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:52.759 Different way, and you don't realize that. You look at 374 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:55.440 it and you think he's undersize, and you don't think 375 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:57.559 him as being as athletic as he is. But he's 376 00:16:57.559 --> 00:16:59.399 I mean, first off, he's really really fast with the 377 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:02.440 basketball and hand, and there are just so many ways 378 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:04.519 that he can get you. His touch is just phenomenal, 379 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:06.960 you know, inside the arc and really inside. 380 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:07.240 Of ten feet. 381 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:09.960 I mean it's hard to get downhill really fast and 382 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:11.799 do what he does. As a way tyres put it, 383 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.000 he's like he's got great breaks, you know. And I 384 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:16.880 thought that was a fascinating way of putting it, that 385 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:19.200 he is able to kind of be going sixty miles 386 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:23.160 an hour and pull up and not just you know, 387 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:25.799 have so much for momentum going he can't make the shot. 388 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:28.440 He's able to harness that, you know, in the middle 389 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:30.319 of playing one hundred miles an hour and just stop 390 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:32.759 where he is, pull up and make it. And he 391 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:35.599 started I started noticing this. He told me he didn't 392 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:37.319 know what I was talking about, but you know, he 393 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:39.720 does this thing more now where he's pulling up in 394 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:42.720 the lane and twisting, so he's squaring up to the 395 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.680 bucket in the air and continuing to twist after he 396 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:47.640 lets it go and making these shots and if that 397 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:49.480 is another element, makes another thing that makes him a 398 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.000 hard recover, and all of it is. Again, it's just 399 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:55.119 fascinating to watch how it all works. That he's just 400 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:58.359 created this offensive game that nobody really has an answer for, 401 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:01.319