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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Peking Yona Show.

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Speaker 2: Dee is back. What's going on to Ee? Not much, Pete,

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So good to talk to you, you, my friend, good to

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talk to you.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about something that hole has had a

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hold on my interest since I was very young, probably like,

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oh god, I'm probably five or six years old, watched

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my first game and became obsessed and wanted to play it.

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People have probably heard me talk about this before. It's

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the sport of hockey. You know anything about hockey?

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Speaker 2: I know that.

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Speaker 3: Wayne Gretzky was a really great defenceman and there's a

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dude in the goal.

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Speaker 2: Well you you got one of those, right, Okay? Yeah,

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that's about as much as I know about hockey.

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Speaker 3: I mean really, uh, you know, you can't be a

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sports guy, which I was for a bit and not

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know at least a little bit, right, But but basically

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I'm completely ignorant.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well, Wayne Gretzky was a he was a forward,

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he was a censor sometimes he played wang, not a defenceman.

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But I actually have a video queued up of who

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I considered to be one of the greatest defensemen of

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all time.

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Speaker 2: We can talk about that later.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think there's a lot of reasons why

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I think it's the greatest, uh the greatest sport on

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the planet, and probably the one reason that it is

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is because of where it's played, the cold, how much

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it costs to play, the times you might have to

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wake up to play and how much equipment costs. Yeah,

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you're you're basically keeping out the worst, the worst of

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all elements of every of every group out there. You know,

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most of the when I was growing up, the schools

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that had the had the better teams were schools that

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had like the highest tuition in the Catholic league that

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I that I played in. So it just makes sense.

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Speaker 3: I mean again, I don't know much, so I mean,

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correct me if I'm wrong about any of this. But

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it's overwhelmingly played by Canadians Americans, and not just Americans

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but Americans from like the Upper Midwest and the Northeast.

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And it's played in Europe. And that's about it.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much. Yeah, I mean, like total white supremacy.

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Speaker 3: And I know that when I was growing up, like

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ice time was a thing, and you'd have to get

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up at like five o'clock in the morning if you

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go get ice time?

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Speaker 2: Is this correct?

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Speaker 1: Five o'clock, Sometimes four o'clock. If you were in a

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league that was outside of like a high school league

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or something like that, sometimes your league games would start

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at eleven o'clock at night or midnight or something like that. Yeah,

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it's one of those things. Is that one of those

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games that you're they can actually make more money from

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an open skate of people of couples walking, you know,

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skating around to music and holding hands, and they can

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for people coming in and paying to play to play hockey,

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ten o'clock, eleven or twelve or midnight and five o'clock

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in the morning, so that's when you get ice time.

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a place called Sky Rink and if you wanted to

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play open hockey, you normally have to get there around

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six six point thirty Laskar's Rink, which was basically in

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Harlem in Central Park one hundred and tenth Street. You

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had there was an open skate on Saturday and Sundays

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from seven thirty till nine where you where the rink

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would be like advanced game going on media, you know,

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a beginner game going on, and then like guys who

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all on the same gigantic rinked So yeah, it basically

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it there was just the way it was structured. The

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gatekeeping was pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: Well, and.

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Speaker 3: The sports, I mean, sports occupied such a huge place

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in the culture that you know, like I I personally

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am I've started. One of the reasons that I wanted

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to do the show is I want to get more

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into hockey because you know, I can occasionally I can

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make the drive and like go see Akraken's game, and

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you know, like going to see a Seahawks game is

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way too expensive. It's it's everything I don't like about

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American culture and like one specific spot, you know, Mariner's

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games are much better. You know, it's a several hour

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drive for me to go. So of all the professional

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sports teams out there, I would much rather go see

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like the crack it. But I don't know anything about it,

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you know, because it just wasn't was I was raised

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with it. I didn't didn't grow up with it. So

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like explain it to me, like I'm a retarded five

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year old.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, I mean you know that there's there's a

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rank and everything. It's been so long since I like,

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like I can't remember the length of the rank and

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the two hundred and ten feet I can't remember, but

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and the width of the rank. But the rank is

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split into sections, there's a center line. Your team will

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be on one side for for the first period and

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the TMB the other. Then you'll switch after the three periods,

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you'll switch sides after which really what that does mostly

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is is your bench in the first period is going

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to be on your side of the ice, but in

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the second period, your bench is going to be all

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the way on the other side of the ice. So

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if you need if you're if you're gassed, and you

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and you're you know, you're huffing, and you can't you

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can't continue your shift, you have to make a longer

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trip to the bench to change, you know, to switch

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out and get somebody who's who's fresh on the ice

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and everything. There's there's zones. You have center ice, you

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have blue lines, and then you have goal lines. Goal

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lines are all the way down that's where the nets.

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The nets are set up on the goal line. You

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want to get the puck between you know, score goal

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got to get across. The goal line has got to

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be in the net. The blue lines are to prevent

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I mean, or to prevent offside and so or to

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not prevent offside, but to regulate. So the easiest thing

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you could do in hockey is is you'd have one

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guy who would stay all the way down by the

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other team's net and you just throw the puck down

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to him and he'd be alone with the goalie that line.

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The puck has to go over that line to go

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into the other zone before any of your players do,

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and that prevents that from happening. So that's probably the

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hardest thing. When people first start getting into hockey. They

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don't really understand what offside is. If they if they've

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ever watched soccer, they might have an idea of offside,

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But offside could be manipulated in soccer because I mean

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it's just basically a bunch of hooligans and they're you know,

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not to be trusted. But in hockey, that line basically

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prevents you from you know, hanging out over down Hey, hey,

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throw me the puck. I'm I'm all alone now, But

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the puck has to go over that has to go

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over that line before any of you guys do. And

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the center line is basically where they where you center

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izes where the game starts from or after a goal

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is scored, where you drop the puck and you have

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a face off and who you know, you try to

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get the puck back to your guys. So that's basically

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I pretty much just explained the hardest part of people

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first watching hockey. They're like, Okay, why did the whistle blow. Well,

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the person was offside. They went across the line before

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the puck did. Buck has to go across the line.

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It's more sportsmen like that. There's more sportsmanship according to it.

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And that's another thing about hockey that I love is

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is it's very It gets a bad rap for fighting,

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but the fighting is essential to the game. And as

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you had mentioned before we even started, we've seen a

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lot of problems in hockey since they took since they

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basically tried to try to eliminate fighting, because fighting was

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really a way to police the police the other team.

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If somebody was getting out of line, if somebody it

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went after your best guy, or you know, a cheap

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shot at one of your guys, you know, a fight

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would be a good way to the enforcer would go

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after that guy. Or you know, if a game needed

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and this happened a lot back in the seventies, if

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a game just needed a little more excitement, both teams

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would throw their enforcer out there. Enforcers out there at

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the same time, and they would just pick a fight

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with each other and then you know, it was off

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to the races. Especially before they started mandating helmets, it

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was it was a lot more fun. And I would

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helmets because people took more care they knew the guys

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were weren't wearing helmets. They weren't as they wouldn't be

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as dirty, and they'd be a little more hesitant to

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like really crash a guy into the board's head first

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or something like that. And yeah, it's just it's always

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been a gentleman's sport. Well, I mean, it's not always

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been a gentleman's sport, but it's it's a more gentlemanly

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sport because you can fight, you can take out your aggression,

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Speaker 2: Planet eight questions.

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Speaker 3: Well, I I there's that awful piece of commie ag

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prop that Clinti's Wood directed of with the string Matt

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Damon about the World Cup in South Africa for Rugby

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World Cup, and one line that stuck with me from

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that is that rugby was a a gentleman's game. Uh,

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a thugs game played by gentlemen, and that soccer was.

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Speaker 2: Vice first game played by hooligans, right.

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Speaker 3: And it strikes me that hockey very much fits that

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the a thugs game played by gentlemen sort of ethos

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that you want in sports where that that there is

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the competition, there is the violence. I mean, how fast

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are these guys skating? Like twenty twenty five miles?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea, Yeah, I mean twenty five miles

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an hour is I would say a pretty quick player.

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up closer to thirty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So then you car crash shapes speed. This is dangerous,

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like if you hear oh yeah, it's insane. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: You got you go into a board, the board's head first,

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you know. I forget what the guy's name was who

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it was a Boston college player kid, and he went

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headfirst into the boards and paralyzed.

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Speaker 3: A.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I was in the nineties. Oh, by

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the way, you were mentioning the Seattle area. The Seattle

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Metropolitans were the first American teams actually win the Stanley Cup.

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They beat the Montreal Canadians in nineteen seventeen. Most people

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don't even probably don't even know that there was a

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Seattle Metropolitan this team, I had no idea. I had

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no idea, and I might is the first I'm hearing.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's actually a picture of them, and you can

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imagine it's all a bunch of white kids, and most

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half of them definitely looked German, that's for sure, right.

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Speaker 3: And one interesting thing about hockey that I think it's

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the only major sport where the season goes on hold

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for the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Well, the season will go on hold for the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the.

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Speaker 1: Mostly bec because the basketball is played during the summer

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and that's when they're off. So yeah, and it's well,

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what's interesting is for a while there pros played in

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that they allowed pros back in. I think it was

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in the early two thousands. It was in the two

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thousands of almost positive. Then they took them out, and

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then this year they let them back in. It had

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the game. So well, I just think it's cool that,

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like because.

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Speaker 3: I only know this because his name is the word

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is it Domini Koshak, who's like check or kass Check.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right, but like he was, you know, like maybe ten

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years ago or something. I remember like reading about the

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Winter Olympics and like he was playing for his country

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in Winch Olympics, and so you get all like you

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get really the best players from all over the world. Right,

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but you know, what's what's the he's like one of

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the best scorers in the league now Alexandrovtchkin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he's Russian, He's Russian.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did he play like has he played for the

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Russian teams in the Olympics. I'm I'm positive he did

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during the ats. I don't know what is I don't

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know his scoring record in the Olympics or anything like that,

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but I'm I'm almost positive he would have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right, So you get like the Canadians, the Russians, the Scandinavians,

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that European like you know, Western civilization effectively like plays hockey,

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is what I'm saying, or like White civilization plays hockey.

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And I don't know, like a you know, Australia and

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New Zealand have hockey teams. It wouldn't surprise me if

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they did. But right, it's the only it's the only

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sport I can think of where I can look at

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the teams and be like, I'd have those guys over

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for a barbecue.

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Speaker 2: They look at it.

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Speaker 3: They're a good time right, Like you know, like where

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I'm not just visually off put and not just because

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like a racist, but like, what do I have in

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common with like NBA players, You know, my life and

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their life are completely different, you know, Baseball like not,

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you know, just just nothing in common at all. Yeah,

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these look like guys that I wouldn't know and grown up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the hockey has gone through a lot of Like

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first hockey, when I think when I was growing up

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ninety it was ninety two percent of the league was Canadian.

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Speaker 2: And the rest were basically American.

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Speaker 1: Then the as the the Wall started to fall and

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everything started falling apart in Eastern Europe, you started getting

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more of the Eastern European players come over. And really

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the last to come over we're the Russian players obviously.

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more of a world sport, that's when the league really

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started to expand, where you started, you started seeing more

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teams added. You know, there was I don't remember how

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many years it was, but there was only six teams

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in the NHL for a long time called the original

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six was Montreal Toronto, it was Canadians, the Maple Leafs,

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the Rangers, the black Hawks, the Red Wings, and who

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am I leaving out Boston Boston Ruins. So there was

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only six teams for a long time, and it was

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pretty much because you know, well, how much is the

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supply and demand, how many people are demanding to see

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hockey and everything. And then once the game started to

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get some in the sixties, it started to get popular,

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especially after the United States States actually won the Olympic,

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the Olympic gold medal in nineteen sixty I think that

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was at Squaw Valley, and they started getting popular. And

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then people had just started picking up. So you had

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teams that were adding on, adding on, adding on. You

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actually had a team in Cleveland at one point, and

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a lot of teams moved that they had to find

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their find their places to go to where you know,

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you would find a crowd, which is why you know

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the famous line from Basketball and Basketball the New Orleans

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Jazz moved to Utah where they don't allow music. You

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had all these teams that were had to change your

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name games and move move around to find find their niche.

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the game, especially after nineteen eighty, the Olympics in nineteen eighty,

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you just the league just started to started to explode.

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two teams in Florida, so you know, mostly most of

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the people going to those games are obviously people who

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are from you know, retired to Florida, from New York

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and on the West coast to the Midwest. Tampa is

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more of a Midwest a lot of people from the Midwest,

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where the East coast where you have Florida Panthers downen

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Burroock County's mostly people from the Tri State area in

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New England, up in New York. So yeah, I mean,

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the game started to the game started to explode, and

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you know, it's always been one of those games where

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I remember when I was growing up, I can't remember

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what the guy's name was, but I think there was

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like one black guy in the league. And you know, honestly,

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if there is a black guy in the league, he's

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the whitest black guy you've you know, if there's a

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guy playing hockey in the NHL and he's from Canada,

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he's the whitest black gut you know.

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Speaker 2: So what else do you want to know?

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Speaker 3: Well, like if if you were to say, all right,

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like heres, if you want to learn more about hockey,

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like learn about like these six players or something and

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watch these like go to YouTube and watch the like

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the you know, the night Obviously there's the nineteen eighty

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uh you know Silver Silver Metal Game or whatever where

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the US beat the Russians.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Like what what I know?

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Speaker 3: Names like Brett Hole and uh Gwen Gretzky and like

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Mario Lemieux because when I was a kid, those were

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like the big three names and you could couldn't be

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like into sports and not hear those three names. But

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like one of their players, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, like.

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Speaker 3: Exercise and if if if Pete had to put together

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his all time like best squad like goalie and wings

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and defense.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the three big terms, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna I'll be naming people know, when I've

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ever my goalie would be some somebody most people had

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never even heard of. Was Ken Dryden for the Montreal

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Canadians played in the played in the seventies. I think

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he actually joined the league late because he went to

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law school or something like that. But Ken Dryden was,

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I mean, he was just it was impossible to get

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anything by him. But in like the modern era, I

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mean Dominic Kaschek, Patrick Wah As far as goaltenders go,

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I mean, these are guys who ye took their team

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to championships. I mean, I don't want to say I

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can name people, name goalies who you know, like won

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the Stanley Cups, but they didn't, like they didn't carry

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their team on their on their shoulders, you know. And

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I'm not going to name a lot of current players

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because after COVID, I just dropped out of watching pretty

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much all sports. And I've only started watching hockey again

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recently because you know, I needed just another a distraction

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of some sort. And but so like, I don't know

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if I had a goalie that I needed to you know,

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we need to win a game, like one game. It's

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kind of hard not to pick Domini Kashik, because the

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guy would just the guy was doing a lot in

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Buffalo with a team that I mean, he had some

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good defense in front of him, but I mean there

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were nights where he was carrying the team. Mike Richter

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was another guy who like carried his team to the

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Rangers hadn't won a Stanley Cup since like nineteen forty,

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nineteen forty one, and Richter took them to the Stanley

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Cup in ninety three. Was ninety four, I can't remember,

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but it was nine three and ninety four. I think

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ninety three was Montreal and the next year was the

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the Rangers. So goalie, I mean Patrick Wa, Domini, Kashik,

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these guys, Ken shriden.

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Speaker 2: Mark.

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Speaker 1: Someone's probably screaming. Martin Burdoor from the from the New

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Jersey Devils.

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Speaker 2: He had it.

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Speaker 1: He was a great goaltender, but he also had a

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great defense in front of him. Defenceman is I mean

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this guy right here? How many how many defensemen are there?

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Speaker 2: There's two?

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Speaker 1: So there's two defensemen, okay, and usually you're going to

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normally what you're gonna have is on the ice at

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one time. You're gonna have one that's right handed. When

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the shoots right handed, when the shoots left handed. When

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the shoots right hand is going to play the right side.

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The one the shoots left hand is going to play

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the left side. There's just reasons. There's your you want

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your you want the stick closest to the boards on

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the side you are. That's the way it was always

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explained to me growing up. Although I played, I shot

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right handed, even though I'm normally if you're right handed,

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you're supposed to shoot left handed, shoot left handed, but

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I was. I'm kind of ambidextrous, so I shot right handed.

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Speaker 2: But the.

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Speaker 1: So here, let me let me share this guy. This

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guy was played in the seventies when defenceman. When when

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you talk about defenceman, he gets left out because he

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played so long ago and he had a short career

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because he played so hard, he got hurt a lot.

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Bruins and before he came into the league. A defenceman

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basically played defense. They when the other team, when the

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other team was on the offense, he dropped back. And

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defenceman's job is to make sure that the forwards don't

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get an open shot, make sure to put body between

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You're supposed to just get your body between them and

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your goalie, and Bobby Or kind of changed that. Bobby

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Or led the league in scoring as a defenseman, and

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there was really nothing like him when he came along

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to the point where I mean, like videos like this

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are show how legendary he actually was. Where he is

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a young kid, and he's making men who have been

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playing the game, you know, twice as long as he

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has just looks silly. So let me just run this video.

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I have a I have a few videos that are

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might be adventurous Shop no helmets too. This is back

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when the when the game was just absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 4: Ride by Park goes wide or long Shop almost behind.

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That's all lie. But somehow, some way that went in

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behind Ryde person.

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Speaker 3: Like I did.

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Speaker 2: There's no reason a defenseman is going in on a

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goal on basically unchallenged. He should be back. He should

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be back behind the forwards waiting for the puck, waiting

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for the opposing team to pick the puck up and

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bring it back down the ice. And Or was just

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like now I'm gonna I'm gonna totally break that model

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and just become completely offensive, and people just didn't. They

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didn't know what to do with him.

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Speaker 1: I mean it got to the point where they were

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hurt some people. Some of the dirty players would try

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to hurt him on purpose and actually succeeded.

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Speaker 4: Breaks delate Paul, He's out to Walden, go aheads for

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the net. Waldon callses firing this free Bob. Now watch

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Bobby heading for the net. He's gonna turn and come

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over to the right side, and just as Walton drives

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the puck, there he turns. Now watch this backhander right

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here at the top corner.

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Speaker 2: How does he do it?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Or leaves on a hand down the other end and

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here it comes free? Then back or fight behind the ad.

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How's it looking in front? Wheels in front, locked on

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the pass, has it again? Or cuts around a backhander stump.

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Speaker 1: The craziest thing about that goal right there is that

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it started with him behind the opposing net. So I

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think a defenseman is not supposed to do when I

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was when I was playing, If I was playing defense

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and I ended up behind the other team's net, I

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was going to be benched. You just don't do that

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as a defenseman. You're like leaving you know, you might

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have a forward drop back, I mean, you know, drop

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back to cover for you. But a forward is not

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going to be able to play his defense as well

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as you as well as you do, especially at this

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level in the end, I mean as in high school.

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Yet maybe you know I will play defense as well

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as you. At this level, no one's going to play

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defen fense as well as a defenseman.

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00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 4: Stops it behind the net for or or with goal there,

479
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,440
tries it on an empty net, throws around and it

480
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,440
and say score record.

481
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:13,359
Speaker 2: This is him.

482
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:15,839
Speaker 1: Just like at the end of the game if you

483
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,920
were if you're down by a goal within the last

484
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,039
two minutes of the game, you can pull your goaltender

485
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,440
out for an extra attacker so you can try and

486
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,039
score and tie the game. And but basically that just

487
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:34,119
leaves your goal wide open. So you know, Or had

488
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:36,319
this habit of being all the way on the other

489
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,519
end of the ice and being able to just pinpoint

490
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:43,200
shot all the way from the other end into the

491
00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:45,720
into the net on the other on the on the

492
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,599
other end of the ice, And that takes some skill

493
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,039
for sure.

494
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,559
Speaker 3: Was he actually good at defense to or is he

495
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,400
just like this weird scoring machine who should have been

496
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:54,839
playing wing.

497
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: Oh no, he was.

498
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: He I think he won Defensive Player of the Year

499
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:05,359
six six times. Yeah, so so he could win defensive

500
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:08,519
Player of the Year and be the be the overall

501
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,599
have the most points scored in the season, which makes

502
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,279
no fucking sense whatsoever. I mean, that's why at the

503
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:19,960
time it was just this anomaly where people were just like,

504
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,400
what are we seeing here? We're seeing like history, we're

505
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,599
seeing something new. So he would have been your all

506
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,039
time defense. So there's two defense and once he got

507
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:33,119
Bobby or and who's who's the other guy? Then yeah,

508
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,440
unfortunately it's well, well not unfortunately. But if I was

509
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:42,200
going to pick a defenseman who liked to play alongside

510
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,680
or it would be another left handed shooter shooter, it

511
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,680
would be Scott Stevens from the from the New Jersey Devils.

512
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:52,039
The guy was just one of the most brutal son

513
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:54,160
of a bitches ever. Let me see if I can

514
00:31:54,200 --> 00:32:02,200
find this here Scott Stevens, Eric Hitten Dross.

515
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go.

516
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: Hey, he's fucked and are.

517
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: Trying to get out of the skating.

518
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 4: Linross power down the Scott Stephens and Lin Ross remains

519
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:26,039
down on the ice chincushion.

520
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean that a lot of people say that pretty

521
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:30,559
much ended his career.

522
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: Well, the other players come together.

523
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,359
Speaker 1: Stevens just had a freaking if somebody put their head

524
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:40,680
down and they were skating, they had the puck. You

525
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,039
didn't want to be here when it is it legal

526
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:46,400
to hit somebody when they have the puck. You're only

527
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,720
allowed to check somebody when they have the pucked.

528
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So you can't just like like take take

529
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,640
some little guy who's up skating up front and like like, hey,

530
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,240
you should be the puck, should be the puck who's small,

531
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,519
and then just have one of your biggest guys like

532
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:00,680
running into boards.

533
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you have to. The rule is you have

534
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:09,480
the person has to be has to have the puck.

535
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:15,000
But you know, sometimes referees don't see everything. So together,

536
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:18,839
this hit legendary and.

537
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,599
Speaker 4: This is the worst case scenario here.

538
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: For this hit for Eric Lindross.

539
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:27,559
Speaker 2: Stevens.

540
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: Lindross was a total prick. By the way, there weren't

541
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,480
I think the only people who were upset at this

542
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:38,000
point were Philadelphia flywer fans. But this pretty much ended

543
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,240
his career. I mean, he kept having he had multiple

544
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,279
more concussions after this, and he just had to quit

545
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:48,359
at a very young age because he I mean, he

546
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,160
was looking at brain damage. Stevens came across like he

547
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:54,519
is done in.

548
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,319
Speaker 3: The plea, and he swung.

549
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:56,759
Speaker 4: You with your.

550
00:33:59,559 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: He's coming.

551
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: Three beat sneeder Meyer head is down and it's a

552
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:10,079
shoulder right to the jaw of blind Ross.

553
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:11,079
Speaker 4: And he has no clue this is coming.

554
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:13,079
Speaker 2: This is a freight train. I look how fast he's going.

555
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,159
A freight train, and it is a wicked hit ra

556
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,880
even that's even, I mean even slow motion looks up.

557
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, no clue this is coming.

558
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,599
Speaker 4: This is a freight train coming.

559
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,119
Speaker 2: His ways like trade and it is a wicked.

560
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: In car accidents, right, if you get in a head

561
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,639
on car accident, it's the speed of say car one

562
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,519
is going thirty miles an hour and car DO two

563
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:35,320
is going thirty miles an hours. Recording into a brick

564
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,480
wall at seventy miles an hour.

565
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: Yep. If both those.

566
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: Guys are doing twenty to twenty five miles an hour, yep,

567
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,960
that's that's like hitting a brick wall at forty five

568
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,760
miles an hour with those he built. Oh yeah, oh

569
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:53,119
it's that's bad, bad, I've taken some monster hits, man,

570
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:59,719
and it's and I've I've delivered some monster hits and yeah,

571
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,039
and me if it doesn't hurt you, like to the

572
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:05,400
point where you're like, okay, I'm you know, I might

573
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:06,599
need to see the trainer.

574
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: It takes everything right out of you and you have

575
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,880
to get off the ice and it's hard to get

576
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,880
up from a hit like that and like get back

577
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,719
into your get back into your groove, get back you know,

578
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,840
start skating again.

579
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,679
Speaker 2: You need you need some time. Yeah.

580
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:24,079
Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's just it's a brutal game. It's

581
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,320
it's another thing I love about the game though. It's

582
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,239
a brutal game. And you can really hit some uh

583
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:35,480
you can, you can really do some damage. But I mean,

584
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:41,880
I don't it's hard to know what Scott Stevens, what

585
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:47,440
his motives were there, But here's some I think it's

586
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,039
Scott Stevens's greatest.

587
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:57,679
Speaker 3: Its holy shit, you know, can just flip over, yeah,

588
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,480
hip check.

589
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: He just did a full like yeah, he just did

590
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,159
a full like two seven in the air.

591
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:13,559
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, boom body.

592
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: So we're enforcers generally defenseman.

593
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 3: Oh what so the role on the team of enforcer.

594
00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:24,840
We talked a little bit about it was that usually

595
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:27,360
fulfilled by a defenseman.

596
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: Or not normally.

597
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,159
Speaker 1: Not normally it was like a fourth line wing, you know,

598
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,599
like right wing or left winger, somebody who wasn't going

599
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:40,679
to get a lot of ice time. He would just

600
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,760
be out there at certain times, you know, like you

601
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,880
know if if one of your best players, if one

602
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,320
of your best players got got a cheap shot or something,

603
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,039
he'd go out there and and instigate with that person.

604
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,800
Oh okay, so but yeah, so just those.

605
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,199
Speaker 3: Two get hard as part of their duties, but not

606
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:04,360
necessarily fight.

607
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,559
Speaker 2: As prolific game that makes correct.

608
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, those would be my two defensemen would

609
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,199
be Bobby orr and And and Scott Stevens just because

610
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,320
they would compliment each other well, because one one would

611
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,840
have the ability to play defense and be insanely offensive,

612
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,760
and then you'd have another guy who was a really

613
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,920
good defenseman who could just deliver brutal hits. And I

614
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,960
mean that's what hockey's about. Hockey's about, you know, letting

615
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,559
people you know, you know, leveling people you know, and

616
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:47,599
that's you know, really the fun part of it. So my, well,

617
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:50,480
then I guess we'd have to go to we'd have

618
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:55,320
to go to center and center. It's so hard. There's

619
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,239
been so many great centers of center is based like

620
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,880
quarterback on the ice, your left wing, your left wing,

621
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,559
your right wing. These are forwards obviously ones of me

622
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:12,519
on the left, ones and me on the right. They're

623
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:17,039
going to attack on their side into the into the zone.

624
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,639
When they come back to play defense, they're going to

625
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:24,199
be playing defense more forward in the zone, like up

626
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:27,000
near where the defenceman come up into the into the

627
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:32,599
zone and hang back. But the center is somebody who

628
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:37,000
can go basically can go anywhere. He takes the face

629
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:40,639
offs and then he is so if a puck goes

630
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:44,159
into the corner and he can go in and help

631
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,559
the help the winger and whatever, would they typically be

632
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:54,079
the fastest skaters, not necessarily no puck handlers. Would they

633
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:56,719
be the guys that they would be the guys who

634
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,400
could probably handle the pucket better than anyone else. Okay,

635
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,159
So you know, like the reason why the Edmondson oilers

636
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,480
of the of the eighties were so dominant was they

637
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:13,360
had two dominant centers. They had Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier,

638
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,840
And these were guys who were magic with the puck,

639
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:24,599
and they had great wingers playing them, Gretzky. Gretzky famously

640
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:28,000
had Yari Curry, who was a Finn. Pretty sure he

641
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:32,920
was a Finn. And then forget who is whose other

642
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,519
winger was?

643
00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:36,599
Speaker 2: I know, no, sorely.

644
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,599
Speaker 1: I can't remember. But like when when Gretzky left Edmondson

645
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:43,320
and went to l A, like Curry followed him, like

646
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:48,480
like the line, just like that, that duo went went

647
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:55,360
with them, went went to l A together. So if

648
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,599
I say Gretzky is the greatest center of all time,

649
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:02,480
I mean, it's so obvious. Now you can make the

650
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:08,719
arguments can be made that what's his name? You just

651
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,960
mentioned him the Russian from Yeah, Vechkin Alexander a Vegan.

652
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:16,679
Speaker 3: And the only reason I know that name is that

653
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,079
when the Capitals won the Cup, I happened to be

654
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,719
in Washington, d C. At the time on like a

655
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,920
tourist thing and caught like a chunk of their parade,

656
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,679
and so I was like that was really cool. Well,

657
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,320
I mean he's he's considered really a left winger. I mean,

658
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,679
if if you're going to consider him a left winger,

659
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,400
and I know he's played center before then, he's going

660
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,639
to be the great. He'll be the top left winger

661
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:45,519
of all time. I mean he's the top goal scorer.

662
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:51,360
He beat Gretzki's eight hundred and ninety two career goals,

663
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,039
which no one ever thought was going to have. Now

664
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:58,960
he's not going to beat Gretzky's total points because I

665
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,239
think Gretzky had twice as many assists as he did goals.

666
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:06,239
And at one point, what's what's the distinction between goals

667
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,280
and assists, our goals and points? Is you the puff

668
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:15,239
you're sticking. An assist is credited to the last two

669
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,280
players to get you that puck. So if you if

670
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,840
the three forwards come across the line, say you have

671
00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:26,880
Gretsky in the center, Yarry Curry, I think are he

672
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,400
played well actually even though he was right handed, And

673
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:34,159
say McSorley was out there just to play, just to

674
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,880
make sure no one fucked with Gretzky. If they came

675
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,519
across the line and McSorley passed it to Curry, and

676
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:44,480
Curry passed it to Gretzky and Gretzky scored, Gretzky would

677
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,880
get a goal, Curry and McSorley would get assists, okay.

678
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: And then in your points are your assists plus your goals.

679
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're yeah, so your points are assisting goals

680
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:04,599
and the so say Yari Curry went into say the

681
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,480
opposing team had the had the puck, and Curry went

682
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:11,000
into the zone to go after try and take the

683
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:13,519
puck away from him, and he did. He took it

684
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:16,400
away from an opposing player and passed it to Gretzky,

685
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,679
and Gretzky scored. Then only Curry would get an assist

686
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,880
because he is the only player. He took it from

687
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,559
the opposing team and put it, you know, put it

688
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:29,840
on uh, put it on Gretzky's stick. Now, if Curry

689
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,280
went in and took it from an opposing player and

690
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,119
just took it from the opposed player and scored on

691
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:39,000
his own, then that that would be scored as a

692
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:42,039
goal for Curry unassisted. No one would have an assist

693
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:44,239
on it because none of the players on his team

694
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,400
touched it before passed the puck to him or touching it.

695
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,639
Speaker 2: That makes sense for him.

696
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: And then so you've got Vashkin on the left, Gretzky

697
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:55,440
the center, who's who's playing right wing.

698
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: Then it had it's going to be somebody that a

699
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,239
lot of people have never heard of. Mike Bossi from

700
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,719
the from the New York Islanders in the late seventies

701
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,360
early eighties. The Islanders won the Stanley Cup four years

702
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,719
in a row from I think it was eighty to

703
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,280
eighty four, and Bossi was just he was just one

704
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:24,480
of those middle sized Canadian guys who could just do

705
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,280
do so much with the puck and just had a

706
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,079
a knack for putting it, for putting it in the net.

707
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,159
So let's see, let me, let me get his stats.

708
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:36,079
He was six You know, he's a guy. He was

709
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:39,920
a guy from Montreal, six ft six foot tall. Oh

710
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,599
he died in twenty twenty two. I didn't know that.

711
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,360
Oh wow, at the age of sixty five. Damn six

712
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,119
foot tall, one hundred and eighty five pounds.

713
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:49,079
Speaker 3: Um.

714
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:54,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the second of five players to score

715
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,280
fifty goals in fifty games. I mean, this is this

716
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,320
guy was a complete beast who just knew knew how

717
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,280
to find the back.

718
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:04,119
Speaker 2: Of the net.

719
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:08,039
Speaker 3: And I'm looking for his career statistics.

720
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

721
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:14,039
Speaker 1: He had five hundred and seventy three career goals and

722
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:16,480
seven hundred and fifty two games and he had, So

723
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:18,480
he played seven hundred and fifty two games and five

724
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,400
hundred and seventy three goals, five hundred and fifty three assists,

725
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,360
eleven hundred and twenty seven goal points in seven hundred

726
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,440
and fifty two games. So he he averaged over a

727
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,000
point in game. That's the guy that's a lot, isn't it.

728
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,239
The guy had the guy who was a fucking monster.

729
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So, like soccer is typically a relatively low

730
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,119
scoring game, right, Like you know, lots of lots of

731
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,599
games that are two to one or three two or whatever. Right,

732
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,719
is a tip of a hockey hockey.

733
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: Game like more like like a soccer game.

734
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 3: Or you're like five goals is like what's like if

735
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,159
you had to like guess like the score like total

736
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,679
like five points, Like is it like three to two?

737
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,599
Speaker 1: Well, it just depends on the team, you know, if

738
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:10,480
you have like so the New Jersey Devils of the

739
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:13,559
nineties it had Martin Broder as a goalie and Scott

740
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:19,119
Stevens as their defenseman. When they were they had a

741
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:23,159
system where if you tried to bring if you tried

742
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:26,519
to bring the puck through through center ice, they had

743
00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:29,679
a system where they would just stop you where it

744
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,760
would just basically line up, line the team up across

745
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,559
and just wouldn't give you a chance to get through.

746
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:40,480
It's called the trap. It'll win you games, it won't

747
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,039
win you fans. I used to have seasons I guess

748
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,719
the Florida Panthers, and whenever the Devils came, I never

749
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,239
went to the game because I knew it was gonna

750
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,239
be boring. I knew it was going to be a

751
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,119
two to one game or something like that. But if

752
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:58,840
you had, like if like Colorado that had Joe Sakkeek

753
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,920
and Peter Fors and Chris Drury and guys like that,

754
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,679
that could you know, five three game something like that,

755
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:07,320
you weren't getting.

756
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,679
Speaker 2: You're it's very rare.

757
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: You're going to get like games with more than six

758
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:20,760
or seven goals on one team, mostly because you don't

759
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,119
want to score ten goals on a team because you're

760
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:25,679
going to have to play them again and they're going

761
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,719
to remember that ship and they're going to try and

762
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,679
shove it up your ass next time they play you,

763
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,280
and you might have the toughest game of the year.

764
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,360
There might be a lot of penalties in that game,

765
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,079
and it might be a little dirty because you just

766
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,519
don't do that to people. It's it's unseemly. You just

767
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,000
it's considered rude. Let's just put it that way.

768
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,679
Speaker 3: In a lot of so like, yeah, if it was

769
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,599
five to six, that would be like, okay, close game,

770
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:56,639
everyone's But if it's like if you's like six to two,

771
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,079
you know, then people two's.

772
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,199
Speaker 1: Fine, six too is fine. I mean they'll they'll be

773
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:06,039
they'll be but hurt a little bit. But if you're

774
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,599
if your goalie is just like completely porous and Swiss

775
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:13,760
cheese that night, and you you decide you want to

776
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:19,239
score eleven goals and they score one or two, okay,

777
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,559
that next game, you're you might want to set that

778
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:26,280
next game out because you can get ugly depend depend

779
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,880
They may they may even do the old school, the

780
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,800
old school thing where if they don't have an enforcer

781
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,079
that they really think can handle the job, they'll call

782
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:39,920
someone up from the miners who can just for like

783
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:42,920
one game, to go out there and just wreak havoc

784
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:43,519
on your ass.

785
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,119
Speaker 2: So yeah, there there's a little.

786
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,079
Speaker 1: Bit of a street street justice that goes goes on there,

787
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:51,440
and it's not really street justice.

788
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,159
Speaker 2: It's more like.

789
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you're you're you shouldn't have done that.

790
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,000
There's just it's rude.

791
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,159
Speaker 3: I mean just I guess the best way to say

792
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:02,760
is rude.

793
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:06,519
Speaker 1: Okay, So that makes sense, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean

794
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:09,599
you're a lot of these guys. You grew up with

795
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:12,679
a lot of these guys. If you're the same age,

796
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,880
you may be playing against each other since you're like

797
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,440
nine or ten years old, especially if you're from Canada

798
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:21,440
and you're playing in junior systems where they have I

799
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,039
mean they have.

800
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: Okay, explain it, because what does junior systems mean?

801
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so they have junior hockey in Canada and somebody

802
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,400
who's Canadian is gonna they're gonna be real pissed off

803
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,400
at me because I'm not completely familiar with the junior system.

804
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:39,199
Speaker 2: But the.

805
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: Like Bobby Or, So when Bobby or was thirteen years old,

806
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:49,880
he was he was taken. Basically, he left his family

807
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:55,440
to go play hockey, and the junior leagues were basically

808
00:48:55,679 --> 00:49:00,679
like a the build up to the minor league where

809
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:03,360
you would where well, I mean it's really where you're

810
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,480
going to cut your teeth, where people are going to

811
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:08,719
see you, so you can get drafted into the NHL,

812
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,400
and some of these, some of these you could actually get.

813
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:19,719
You got paid, you got housing, and you got you know,

814
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,639
you you're being trained. A lot of a lot of

815
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:25,119
the coaches and a lot of the trainers were former

816
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:30,400
NHL ers. It's basically like a farm system for for hockey.

817
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,039
I don't know what it's like now, but back then

818
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,800
it was definitely like pretty much anyone who came up

819
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,239
it went into the NHL, who was from Canada, played

820
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,679
in the played junior.

821
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: Hockey, and so basically.

822
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: Like for American sports, right like typically you'll play in

823
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,079
high school and then to play in college one or

824
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:58,199
two years, and then you'll get drafted into the UH,

825
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,559
NBA or an a L or not an NHL, MLB,

826
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:10,559
into uh the NFL. And then in baseball, right you

827
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:13,280
graduate high school and you might get drafted by a

828
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,360
major league team. You might play college ball, but you

829
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,480
can do one or one of those, like you'll do

830
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,079
some time in the minors and then a couple of

831
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,199
years maybe if you're really talented, and then and then

832
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,280
get your shot in the in the big leagues like

833
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,599
it is junior hockey like like hockey high school and

834
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:32,599
then once you're done with high school pretty much.

835
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: You're it's a system to get you ready for the NHL.

836
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,159
Then you get drafted, and if you get drafted, I mean,

837
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:43,800
if you get drafted, like I'm pretty sure, like BOSSI

838
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,320
was drafted fifteenth overall. He went. He went right to

839
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,800
the I don't think he played any let me see,

840
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,280
I don't think he played any any minor league hockey. Yeah,

841
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,880
he played. He from nineteen seventy two to nineteen seventy seven.

842
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:08,280
He played for Laval National of the Quebec I think

843
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:15,000
it's Quebec Maritimes Junior Hockey League, which is a let

844
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:17,760
me describe it, one of three major junior hockey leagues.

845
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,639
They constitute the Canadian Hockey League alongside the Ontario Hockey

846
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:29,960
League and Western Hockey League, and the basically most of

847
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:35,760
the teams. Yeah, it's just basically it's it would be

848
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:41,639
our version of like baseball playing playing in high school

849
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:43,519
and getting drafted out of high school, and the same

850
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:47,000
thing for football football getting drafted out of college. So

851
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,760
but the thing is is that the one difference is

852
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:56,360
is that you can you can start playing in depending

853
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,199
on how good you are, you can start playing in

854
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,800
the junior leagues at a very young age. Like I said,

855
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,840
Bobby or was playing in the junior leagues at thirteen.

856
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,679
So you know, they have a they have a system

857
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:08,159
up there.

858
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 2: They've changed the rules.

859
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 3: I'm of an age where like Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett,

860
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,599
I drafted the NBA like right around high school, like

861
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:18,800
right after. I like, these guys the same a giant.

862
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,559
What are they doing to play in the NBA? Right

863
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,639
with American football? Right like, you just can't take an

864
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:26,480
eighteen year old kid and go have him throw them

865
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,519
into the NFL because he'll get killed.

866
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:31,119
Speaker 2: Right. They needed that extra time to just get bigger,

867
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,559
just so that they don't die. Uh, you know.

868
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:40,519
Speaker 1: It was I think you have to be three years

869
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,599
You have to be three years out of out of

870
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:46,440
high school in order to be drafted in the NFL.

871
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,480
I don't know if that's the same, if it's the

872
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:52,199
same now. And in basketball for a long time it

873
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,719
was one year. Yeah, you can be one year out

874
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,639
of high school. And Lebron changed that to the point

875
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:04,400
where there were I remember reading articles around the time

876
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,559
like Lebron was coming out where they they wanted to

877
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:11,119
draft him as a junior in high school.

878
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was so good so early.

879
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so not my cup of tea, but I have

880
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,519
to admit he was.

881
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: He's frequency talented.

882
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:24,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoy playing basketball more than I more than

883
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:25,679
I do watch watching basketball.

884
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 2: We played uh yeah, well yeah that way with a

885
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:31,880
lot of sports.

886
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 3: Uh so yeah, you mentioned okay, so there's six guys

887
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,079
on the squad, right, three three guys in the wing,

888
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,360
a goalie and two defenseman. Three forwards, two defensemen and

889
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,800
a goalie. Yep, okay, so six six guys on a squad.

890
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,679
And you said something about lines, what is that?

891
00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: So okay, so you're going to have most teams are

892
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,519
going to have three lines, so you're going to have

893
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:58,840
you have three forwards, so you'll have nine forwards. You'll

894
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,880
have three lines of three different guys. So you can

895
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,920
swap out. Because one thing that most people don't realize

896
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,920
about hockey is and I remember like talking about talking

897
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,639
to someone and being like you get out there after

898
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:18,199
about usually thirty five to forty seconds of going balls out,

899
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:19,599
you're out of gas.

900
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: You have to you have to change.

901
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: You know you need to change, and you know, you

902
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,039
hop over the boards and then say I played left

903
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:32,039
wing a lot the left winger on whatever whatever line

904
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,400
the coach called to go out next. There's always a

905
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,320
first line, of second line, the third line. You know

906
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,719
who that is at the beginning of the game. And

907
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,519
so if I'm coming in, if I'm on the ice

908
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:45,320
and I'm like, I'm I'm gassed, I need, I need,

909
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,719
I need to rest, He's gonna call second line. You know,

910
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:51,280
if I'm playing first line, he's gonna be called the

911
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,280
second or third line, left wing, and then that person

912
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,559
will jump out and will will replace me. But usually

913
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:03,119
when I jumping out, you want to get my center,

914
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,599
and the coach will start screaming for the center on

915
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:08,559
my line and the right wing around my line to

916
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:11,880
hop out too, so that you can get the other

917
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,559
two guys out there who have been playing together, who

918
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:18,559
are used to playing together on the ice. To each

919
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:22,440
line is something where you're going to be practicing together.

920
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,599
You're going to get to know, You're you're gonna get

921
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,039
you know, you're gonnat to know where your guys going.

922
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,039
You know, if I have the puck in the corner,

923
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:33,719
I knew where Chrispy was going. I knew he was

924
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,519
going to the you know, he was going to go

925
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:37,360
to the top of the circle or something like that

926
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,920
for a slap shot, and I had to set him

927
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,039
up for a one time or just feed it in

928
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:43,000
to throw it in front of the net and hopefully,

929
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,199
you know, he could tip it in or something like that. Okay,

930
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,039
so you're you have three lines, and there are many

931
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:53,920
cases where there are fourth lines, but the fourth line

932
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:59,599
is usually your least talented players. You may put them

933
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,159
out there only if like your three, your first three

934
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:06,440
lines are completely gassed and they need a little you know,

935
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:08,440
whatever line you want to put out next needs so

936
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:09,519
like it's some extras in.

937
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,679
Speaker 3: A typical NHL game, Say you start start the game

938
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,679
starts with the first line on both sides. How long

939
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,760
are those guys playing before they get swapped out? Five minutes,

940
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,039
ten minutes, it's.

941
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:28,079
Speaker 1: Forty seconds. Yeah, wow, you cannot stay on the ice.

942
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:33,239
I was talking to a marathon runner and he had

943
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,639
picked up hockey later in life. I think he started

944
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:37,119
playing hockey and it was like twenty two, and he

945
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:40,440
started playing in men's leagues in South Florida when he

946
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:44,679
was twenty two, and we were you know, I told them,

947
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,719
I've been pretty much been playing my whole life, and

948
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:54,199
everything and and he we started talking. He's like and

949
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:56,760
he's like, yeah, you know, I've I've run marathons for

950
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,639
you know, since I was like, you know, since I

951
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:02,199
was like fifteen something like that. So you've been running marathons,

952
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:04,360
you know, twenty six miles, twenty six point two miles

953
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,199
for seven years. I said, oh, that must really help

954
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,679
with your wins. He's like, are you crazy? He goes,

955
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:15,159
there's no correlation. Is I'm out there for forty seconds

956
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,320
forty five seconds, and I need I need to get

957
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,599
off the ice. I mean it gases you, especially if

958
00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:24,119
you're hitting, especially if you're if you're getting hit and

959
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:26,519
you're hitting, I mean you go out there and it

960
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:30,000
is balls fucking out for forty to four.

961
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: Spring seconds, which is like full on sprinting.

962
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then you have to get off the ice. Now,

963
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,159
a defenceman can have if you're a forward, you're gonna

964
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:41,480
have shorter shifts. You can have defensemen who can stay

965
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,159
out there for a while because if they're true defenseman

966
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:47,639
and they're not puck rushing defenseman like Bobby Orr, you

967
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:51,719
can hang back and you can actually if your team

968
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,679
is if you're hanging out at the at the line

969
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,519
while your team is in the offense is in the

970
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:03,400
offense zone, and your wingers and your if your forwards

971
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,519
are up there and they're trying, you can you can

972
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:10,880
actually get them get a breather as a defenseman. But

973
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,719
a defenseman usually isn't going to last longer than a minute,

974
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:15,159
a minute, fifteen seconds.

975
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,519
Speaker 2: So games are what an hour and they're three twenty

976
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:19,519
minute periods or.

977
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: Three twenty minute yeah, three twenty minute periods.

978
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:22,679
Speaker 2: Okay.

979
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,079
Speaker 3: So so the reason the hockey game looks like total

980
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:30,599
chaos is because it's an hour of every once a

981
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:32,360
minute like a line getting changed out.

982
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, so yeah you're gonna have you're just

983
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,880
fifty line changes in a game. Oh yeah, yeah. Where

984
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,000
I couldn't follow it like this makes no sense?

985
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, people just jumping over, you know, jumping over

986
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,559
the boards left and right, you know, swapping out, switching out,

987
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:53,800
I mean it is it's okay. The best way I

988
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,639
heard it was control chaos.

989
00:58:56,239 --> 00:58:59,159
Speaker 3: That makes complete sense as to why I couldn't follow it.

990
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:01,639
First of all, because the puck is very small, moving

991
00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:03,760
very fast, and very hard to follow from a television.

992
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:09,000
But and then just like it just looks like a

993
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,800
mad house out there, because apparently it's a madhouse like that.

994
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,039
That makes total sense. Why I couldn't follow the game

995
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,639
is I had no idea that like a shift was

996
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:23,519
thirty seconds long. I mean it's also it's completed insanity.

997
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:33,320
Sometimes where that puck that's galvanized rubber, it's hard as fuck, man,

998
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:34,920
I don't know how many times have been hit in

999
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,679
the face with it. I mean it's you know, I mean, well,

1000
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:41,320
there's a reason those guys are almost in teeth, Like, well, yeah,

1001
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:43,159
everybody thinks it's because of fighting.

1002
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:46,199
Speaker 2: It's not because of fighting, because you.

1003
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 3: Got hit in the face and galvanized piece of rubber

1004
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:49,559
moves it. What fifty miles an hour?

1005
00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:53,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Oh god. Some there are guys like I

1006
00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:54,199
can't remember what the.

1007
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: Name of the the defenseman for the Bruins. I was

1008
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,519
like Xeno char Uh yeah, like a hundred, Like sometimes

1009
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:04,679
you get up to like one hundred and four miles

1010
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:10,079
an hour slap shot. Oh yeah, Oh, I mean you

1011
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:16,440
talk about fractured cheekbones, fractured orbitals if that catches you, right, Yeah,

1012
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,960
most people are missing, like I'm missing the teeth. I

1013
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,239
lost my teeth because somebody I was playing with somebody

1014
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,119
who wasn't as fucking good as I was, and completely

1015
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:28,280
lost control on their skates. Their their feet went out

1016
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,239
from under them and they just their hands went backwards

1017
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:35,280
and their stick just like they lost control of their stick.

1018
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:37,760
I just took a stick in the mouth and like

1019
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,840
I get popped. I taste the blood. I put my

1020
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,920
tongue on my teeth, and I'm like, well, I don't

1021
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,400
have those anymore, fucking like I was thirteen years old.

1022
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: Ow. Yeah, well, and I mean because they hang out

1023
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:56,199
with racists on the internet.

1024
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:58,559
Speaker 3: There's that one game in England where that Negro guy

1025
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:01,639
like legit killed that other dude with the skate that

1026
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,199
you should have been should have been in prison for

1027
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,119
life for that. But you know, you got guys moving

1028
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:09,000
at twenty five thirty miles an hour with raisin waves

1029
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,119
on their feet, carrying like I don't know what they're

1030
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:14,440
made out of, but like sticks and this puck moving

1031
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,119
at one hundred miles an hour or you know, probably eighty,

1032
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:22,519
Like I imagine everybody's slapshots in the eighties, like that's

1033
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,000
that's a dangerous environment. And then you've got the you know,

1034
01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:28,280
every sixty seconds, somebody you know, guys moving on and

1035
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,400
off the ice like it's that's nuts.

1036
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: The stick.

1037
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,679
Speaker 1: You know, there were some problems with the stick for

1038
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:40,000
a while. So originally the stick was wood with you know,

1039
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:44,559
with fiberglass cover, especially on the blade, reinforced with fiberglass

1040
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:47,400
in the blade. Those those sticks break very easily, break

1041
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,840
them all the time. The blades would just pop off.

1042
01:01:53,239 --> 01:01:57,480
Then someone got the idea that they were going to

1043
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:02,920
make the sticks like one piece fiber glass all the way.

1044
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:08,039
Then someone got the bright idea of well, you know,

1045
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:12,239
so people are sick and tired of buying new sticks

1046
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,159
all the time. You got to buy a whole new stick.

1047
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,320
Let's have a metal shaft all the way down to

1048
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:23,320
the blade and then you can just change the blade.

1049
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,119
Speaker 2: Okay.

1050
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,639
Speaker 1: One of the problems with that is is that first

1051
01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:36,639
of all metal, You don't want people on a hockey

1052
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:42,199
rink with having a metal basically a metal bar. I

1053
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:45,760
remember one player, I can't remember who it was, it

1054
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,400
was someone on Tampa and he got slashed in the

1055
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:55,760
hand with somebody from someone who had one of those

1056
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,800
metal metal frames.

1057
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 2: What is slashing police slashing is you take you take

1058
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:03,079
the stick two.

1059
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: Handed and you basically it sounds like it sounds like

1060
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,000
what it is. You slash someone with the stick, either

1061
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:15,239
in their assault basically assault with the stick. But slashing

1062
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:18,599
is the the penalty. This is the two minute penalty

1063
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:21,559
if you get caught doing it. So he slashes the

1064
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:25,360
guy in the hand, and because he had a metal

1065
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,079
because he had one of these metal frame sticks. He

1066
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:31,599
takes his glove off and his fucking pinky is hanging,

1067
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:38,039
like literally like it's like freaking dislocated and like his pinky,

1068
01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:40,559
he's got a compound fracture and his pinky is hanging.

1069
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:44,079
So I don't know if they use those metal sticks anymore.

1070
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:46,480
I hope they don't. I don't think they do.

1071
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:52,559
Speaker 2: But the you know wood, The good thing about wood

1072
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:53,320
is it would break.

1073
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,599
Speaker 1: I mean, you you hit someone with a wooden stick,

1074
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:58,039
there's a good chance if they have good equipment or

1075
01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:00,320
just hit the equipment and brake and you know, won't

1076
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,960
do too much damage. But that's just as an aside.

1077
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,960
But yeah, the violence of the game, slashing is a

1078
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:12,519
penalty two minutes. If it's gross, if it's if it's

1079
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:15,599
a if they consider it to be a you know,

1080
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,760
a beyond the pale kind of slash, you can get

1081
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,840
four minutes. If it's really fucking horrible, you get five minutes.

1082
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,599
Or a game misconduct, get kicked after the game, you're

1083
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:29,960
possibly a suspension. Elbowing. Can't hit someone with an elbow.

1084
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,400
That's two minutes, could could turn into five or something

1085
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:35,880
like that.

1086
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:37,079
Speaker 2: Tripping.

1087
01:04:37,639 --> 01:04:40,159
Speaker 1: Tripping is the most obvious one, because tripping would be

1088
01:04:40,199 --> 01:04:42,760
the most obvious thing you'd want to do. If someone's

1089
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,360
like skating by you, you take the blade of your stick,

1090
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,800
put it right into their skates and just give it

1091
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,639
a yank. I mean, they're, like you said, they're skating.

1092
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:54,960
You're skating on razor blades. It's just very easy to fall.

1093
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:56,840
Or you put your stick. You could put your stick

1094
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,760
right between their legs. You don't even have to have

1095
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,719
a pulling. You don't even have to use any force.

1096
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,280
You just stick it between their legs. Someone's legs and

1097
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:06,400
it caused them to fall.

1098
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,079
Speaker 2: Get beat up so bad? Holy cow? Yeah?

1099
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,039
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean you, I mean you get you

1100
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:18,280
get brutalized out there.

1101
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:18,519
Speaker 2: Man.

1102
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: It really depends. It depends how. I don't know what

1103
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,079
the I don't really know what the game is like anymore.

1104
01:05:33,079 --> 01:05:36,039
I don't know how I know, like in basketball, you

1105
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:37,800
can't even like touch anybody anymore.

1106
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,559
Speaker 2: From what I understand, people like you can't.

1107
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 3: Igine the whole, like like just elbowing people in the face.

1108
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,599
Speaker 2: That used to happen in the eighties and nineties not

1109
01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:46,519
happening anymore.

1110
01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:51,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how. I don't know what what's hot,

1111
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,320
what hockey is like. Like I said, I haven't I've

1112
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,599
watched some games and that I've mostly watched playoff games,

1113
01:05:57,639 --> 01:06:00,239
and during the playoffs they tend to let things go

1114
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,199
a little more. You know, they don't want the you know,

1115
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:05,840
you don't want a playoff game decided by a penalty.

1116
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,599
Where By the way, here's something else. Say I'm out

1117
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:12,880
there and I elbows somebody and I get a two

1118
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,119
minute penalty. I go to the penalty box for two minutes,

1119
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,639
and now my team is shorthanded. My team only has

1120
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:22,719
four guys and the goalie on the ice, and the

1121
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,719
other team has five guys and their goalie on the ice.

1122
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,280
So that's a huge advantage.

1123
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 3: Okay, So they can't uh just swap out like if

1124
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:37,719
you were the left wing, they could just swap on

1125
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,119
another left wing guy while you're in the penalty box.

1126
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:42,199
Speaker 2: Nope, nope, you got to play with it.

1127
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 1: You got to play play one man down and that's

1128
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:47,039
the other that's what they called. The other team has

1129
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:52,320
a power play and you're playing shorthanded, and if they

1130
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,000
if the other team scores within that two minutes, you

1131
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:59,559
come out of the penalty box. So if they score,

1132
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:04,159
your penalty is not negated, but you're you don't have

1133
01:07:04,239 --> 01:07:06,320
to stay in the penalty box. Now, if it's like

1134
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,920
a major, like they decided that you elbowed somebody and

1135
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,880
you were trying to like really hurt them, and you

1136
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,920
got a five minute major, then you'd be down for

1137
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,039
five minutes and they could score as much as they wanted.

1138
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,519
You're a goal wouldn't take you out of the penalty box,

1139
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:26,239
but for a two minute a two minute penalty, if

1140
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,599
they scored within ten seconds, you're right back out.

1141
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,039
Speaker 2: You're right back out.

1142
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,719
Speaker 1: And probably on the bench because the coach is gonna

1143
01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:34,920
be fucking pissed at you for you know, for taking

1144
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:39,840
a penalty and the other team scoring. So hockey, uh,

1145
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,719
fighting is normally five minutes. Both both guys will get

1146
01:07:44,719 --> 01:07:48,400
five minutes, and that'll just negate, it'll negate each other

1147
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,440
I mean sometimes there are some there are sometimes where

1148
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,159
you it won't be four on four, where it'll be

1149
01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:57,639
five on five, but there's sometimes it'll be four on four.

1150
01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:02,800
I've never really understood the fucking rule behind that, but

1151
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:08,199
the so, yeah, so fighting is is five minutes, and

1152
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,840
most penalties are going to be two minutes.

1153
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:15,719
Speaker 3: So like there's like seventeen games in an NFL season

1154
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:20,560
or something like that, eighty two games in an NBA season,

1155
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,479
something like one hundred and fifty games in a baseball season.

1156
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,239
How many games in an NHL season eighty two same

1157
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:31,640
as the NBA. Okay, yeah, So if you have season tickets,

1158
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,319
and you have full season tickets and not like a

1159
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:37,479
half season, you have tickets to forty one games, and

1160
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,119
if you make each one of.

1161
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 2: Them, you don't have a life. That's a lot. Believe.

1162
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: I've had full I've had full season tickets, and I

1163
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,680
always end up I always end up giving them away

1164
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,399
to people because like I just can't make every game,

1165
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,720
or you know, like the one year we had season

1166
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,439
tickets to the Panthers and they won nine home games.

1167
01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 2: So I take us to four he won games and

1168
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,920
they won nine home games. Ouch.

1169
01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 1: That's that's where you're just going to the games to

1170
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:06,840
drink and be belligerent.

1171
01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:14,279
Speaker 3: I mean that three could be belligerent, just kind of

1172
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:15,840
at the European pastime. So I guess that that.

1173
01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 2: I I think that.

1174
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:26,399
Speaker 3: I don't know what what tickets are costing these days,

1175
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:29,359
but I know it's like much more reasonable, god uh

1176
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,800
than other major sports like that the NBA and n

1177
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,960
H and NFL tickets are just insane.

1178
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 2: Let me you know, so let me say.

1179
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: Tenth of Panthers, So Ottawa, see they're playing Ottawa at home.

1180
01:09:54,239 --> 01:10:00,680
Two tickets, So yeah, in the upper in the upper

1181
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,439
rows for the Florida Panthers, who are having a horrible

1182
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:09,159
season even though they're Stanley Cup champions. Twenty nine bucks,

1183
01:10:09,359 --> 01:10:12,720
twenty nine dollars a ticket, that's reasonably yeah, up in

1184
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:13,920
the nis bleeds.

1185
01:10:14,319 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 2: But well yeah, but if you're.

1186
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 3: Like taking a kid to a sporting event, like yeah,

1187
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,520
you know, the same ticket at like the where the

1188
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:23,760
Florida Panthers play out.

1189
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:30,319
Speaker 1: Of Briard County, Florida. Okay, I think real area. Where's

1190
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:35,960
the like big nearest NFL team, Miami, Miami Dolphins. Okay, yeah,

1191
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,399
like compare that to it like in those wee Miami

1192
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:42,039
Dolphins seat. I mean they only they only play what

1193
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:45,439
eighteen games or sixteen games, so yeah, it's gonna be

1194
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:52,039
so like if you wanted like rows row one, well no,

1195
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:58,279
not row one. So I'm looking at row twelve down

1196
01:10:58,319 --> 01:11:01,720
by the ice, so you're twelve rows off the ice

1197
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:06,680
for the Florida Panthers in the corner. It's seventy seventy

1198
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,439
five dollars apiece, which I mean is kind.

1199
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 2: Of not bad.

1200
01:11:10,039 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: Although although oh no, that's two hundred and twenty two

1201
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:24,039
dollars each. That's not good. But yeah, this one, no,

1202
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:26,920
this one's seventy six dollars apiece. Yeah, that's not bad.

1203
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,600
If if you want to get really close to the ice,

1204
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,359
you're gonna have to pay. But this one's only twelve

1205
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:36,880
rows off the ice, and and it's seventy six dollars apiece,

1206
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:37,920
which isn't bad at all.

1207
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,319
Speaker 2: Actually, like as a.

1208
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 3: Light out with the miss or something, Spending one hundred

1209
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,600
and fifty dollars on an event like opera tickets are

1210
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,159
going to cost you that in a much yeah right,

1211
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,880
I mean symphony tickets are going to cost that much.

1212
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:58,359
Yeah right, you know, graduation president for a nephew or something.

1213
01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:02,920
I'm gonna take you to an NHL game. You know

1214
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:03,760
that'd be kind of cool.

1215
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:05,039
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1216
01:12:06,279 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: It's it's a good game. It's a better game to

1217
01:12:09,079 --> 01:12:12,079
see like live. I always tell people if they want

1218
01:12:12,079 --> 01:12:13,920
to get into hockey, go see a game live before

1219
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,920
you start watching on TV. You'll enjoy it more on

1220
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,359
TV after you see it live.

1221
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 3: Okay, I've tried to watch it on TV a few times,

1222
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,199
and it's just it's incomprehensible.

1223
01:12:26,119 --> 01:12:31,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard. They it's hard to follow, to follow

1224
01:12:31,359 --> 01:12:32,960
the pup for a lot of people. And plus if

1225
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,000
you don't really know the game a lot, it's gonna

1226
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,319
be uh, it could be, it could be confusing. But

1227
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:43,399
the so what else is there? I don't know.

1228
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 2: You can keep asking questions and I don't like.

1229
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 3: Uh again, explain this to me like I'm a five

1230
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,000
year old rechard? What what other?

1231
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:59,520
Speaker 2: I mean? There's original six teams? Is what like thirty teams? Now? Oh? God? Yeah?

1232
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,399
How many teams are there? Now?

1233
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:08,119
Speaker 3: It's I know about the SAT cracking, I know about

1234
01:13:08,199 --> 01:13:09,880
Las Vegas Golden Knights.

1235
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,319
Speaker 2: There isn't there a team in Utah? There might be.

1236
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,319
I have no idea let me see.

1237
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:31,119
Speaker 3: Standing, let's see three six okay, Division eighty.

1238
01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:35,359
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's sixteen in the east and thirty two.

1239
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,279
You know, there's a sixteen in the west of the

1240
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:43,439
thirty two team is total okay, Yeah, the Seattle Kracking,

1241
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,119
Vegas Golden Knights.

1242
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 2: I remember that.

1243
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean these are teams that didn't even exist when

1244
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,640
I when I started watching, so like the teams that

1245
01:13:53,079 --> 01:13:57,399
existed when I started watching hockey. The Buffalo Sabers, Montreal Canadians,

1246
01:13:57,399 --> 01:14:03,199
Boston Bruins, Troit Red one Is, Toronto Maple Leafs, Islanders,

1247
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:13,640
Pittsburgh Penguins, Philadelphia Flyers, Washington Capitals. Yeah, there's a team

1248
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,119
called the Utah is a team called the Mammoth, the

1249
01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:19,760
Winnipeg Jets who went away for a while and then

1250
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:26,640
came back. Saint Louis Blue Chicago Blackhawks. Edmunds is New.

1251
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 3: York's only team with two hockey teams.

1252
01:14:31,319 --> 01:14:34,239
Speaker 1: Well, let's see, New York has the Islanders and the Rangers.

1253
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:37,920
But then right over that you have the New Jersey Devils,

1254
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:43,960
which are is where they play? Is I mean not

1255
01:14:44,039 --> 01:14:48,439
a far drive from where the Rangers actually play. Who

1256
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,600
else is there? So?

1257
01:14:51,279 --> 01:14:53,520
Speaker 2: And then Boston is one of the first six, right.

1258
01:14:53,600 --> 01:15:00,359
Speaker 1: Boston didn't know Boston doesn't No, Yeah, I think Los

1259
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:04,800
Angeles and Los Angeles Kings and Anaheim Anaheim Ducks, Okay,

1260
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,920
they would, that would be the same, same neighborhood.

1261
01:15:08,199 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 2: Okay, so not a lot of double up teams. And

1262
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,520
then no, Florida.

1263
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,039
Speaker 1: You have you have the Panthers and you have the Lightning,

1264
01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:20,600
but there are four hour drive away from each other.

1265
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Florida's large, most people.

1266
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,560
Speaker 1: It's ridiculously large. It takes forever to drive from one

1267
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:29,199
end to the other.

1268
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you were to go to from Miami.

1269
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 3: To yeah, tallahasses Ship, that's a long well, that's I mean,

1270
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:42,720
are there any any other big cities in the Panhandle

1271
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:44,880
that are closer to the Alabama line? I can't really

1272
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,560
think of an evening, But it's like a fifteen hour drive,

1273
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:48,880
isn't it.

1274
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all. That's a long fucking draw. That's that's

1275
01:15:53,319 --> 01:15:56,479
longer than actually going from Miami to It's where I

1276
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:00,479
live in Alabama.

1277
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1278
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:08,199
Speaker 1: So yeah, thirty two teams, I don't I think there were. Okay,

1279
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:11,680
so when I started watching hockey, there were twenty one

1280
01:16:12,079 --> 01:16:16,119
and sixteen teams made the playoffs, so there was only

1281
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:18,640
five teams that didn't make the playoffs. That always seemed

1282
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:24,279
kind of weird to me. But then you had the WHA,

1283
01:16:24,359 --> 01:16:27,119
which was the World which was the World Hockey Association,

1284
01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:30,560
which was out of Canada, and that brought a bunch

1285
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,720
of other teams into the league.

1286
01:16:33,079 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 3: Like who was it? Definitely the Edmonton Oilers, Definitely.

1287
01:16:43,159 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: I think.

1288
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: Calgary Flames. Yeah, well, actually Calgary used to be Atlanta.

1289
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,159
Atlanta had a hockey team. Well Atlanta's tried to have

1290
01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:57,119
a hockey team a couple of times and it didn't

1291
01:16:57,119 --> 01:17:01,359
work out. They had the imagine my shock that Atlanta Yeah,

1292
01:17:01,399 --> 01:17:05,199
well yeah, Atlanta Flames, which I mean, you want to

1293
01:17:05,239 --> 01:17:09,760
talk about, fuck you names for Atlanta for an Atlanta team.

1294
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:12,560
And then they had the Atlanta Thrashers for a while

1295
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,279
and that didn't work out. I forget what the Atlanta

1296
01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:18,039
Thrashers became. They might have be became Winnipeg. I can't remember.

1297
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,840
The National Ditors didn't exist when I was a kid,

1298
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:27,279
and the Dallas Stars didn't exist. The Dallas Stars were

1299
01:17:27,279 --> 01:17:30,560
the Minnesota The Dallas Stars were the Minnesota North where

1300
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:34,479
the Minnesota North Stars, and now it's the Minnesota they

1301
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:38,399
have the Minnesota Wild. So the hockey team left in Minnesota.

1302
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,439
And then Minnesota is like, hey, you know, we're like

1303
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,279
one of the hockey capitals of America.

1304
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 2: We need a fucking team here.

1305
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 3: No, Minnesota is like what most of the guys who

1306
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:54,600
played in the eighty Olympics were, uh, either Minnesota, Minnesota

1307
01:17:54,680 --> 01:18:00,760
and Boston. Right, like hockey Minnesota was gone. It's in Michigan,

1308
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,000
maybe a little bit Illinois, and then like New England

1309
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:04,560
and New York.

1310
01:18:05,039 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 2: M hmm.

1311
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:09,279
Speaker 1: There's a great line from the movie Miracle, the one

1312
01:18:09,319 --> 01:18:12,560
where Kurt Russell plays herb Brooks the Yeah, that's a

1313
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,239
great movie story of the nineteen eighty and one of

1314
01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:16,840
the guys goes, oh, you got a bunch of guys

1315
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,720
from Minnesota and Boston. Yeah, that's gonna work out really well.

1316
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,239
You know those guys hated each other.

1317
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 3: But well, how often is the Frozen four like the

1318
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,640
Minnesota Golden Gophers, the Boston College I forget what the

1319
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:36,079
named team, and you know, like it's like BC, uh, Minnesota,

1320
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,159
the Wisconsin Badgers, and then like some team in.

1321
01:18:40,119 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: Colorado, Yeah, the university like everyone sawhile the University of

1322
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,399
Colorado sneaks in there too, right, but.

1323
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 3: Like and even those guys like like like you know,

1324
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,279
the it's march baddest. I think right now I hardly

1325
01:18:55,279 --> 01:18:58,199
pay attention to college basketball anymore. But like when I

1326
01:18:58,199 --> 01:19:01,399
did pay attention to college basketball, like you could be

1327
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,920
ritually guaranteed that, like the guys who played really well

1328
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,800
in the tournament would be in the NBA next year, right,

1329
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,680
and some of them would be big time players. And

1330
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,239
you know the Frozen four hockey tournaments, right, Like the

1331
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:17,520
really good guys their age were already playing in the

1332
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,039
NHL and on the farm system, you know.

1333
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: So yep, most of the guys who played on the

1334
01:19:24,319 --> 01:19:27,279
nineteen eighty Olympic team did not make it in the NHL.

1335
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,119
They were they were basically career like college players.

1336
01:19:32,399 --> 01:19:34,359
Speaker 2: You know. Even the goalie Jim Craig.

1337
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:39,119
Speaker 1: Jim Craig played for Atlanta and played, but he didn't

1338
01:19:39,239 --> 01:19:43,279
really have a he didn't have an NHL career. I

1339
01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:48,520
think Mark Pavlich. Mark Pavlich played played a decent at

1340
01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:50,960
There were not many guys. I think there were only

1341
01:19:51,079 --> 01:19:54,079
three or four guys who actually had like really prosperous

1342
01:19:54,119 --> 01:19:59,359
careers in the in the NHL. I mean it's nineteen eighty.

1343
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:04,399
Remember it's still in nineteen eighty. The like ninety percent

1344
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:08,439
of the guy who's in the NHL are Canadian, so

1345
01:20:09,119 --> 01:20:10,119
right home, Well.

1346
01:20:10,319 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 3: Well, they had a national system to you know, like

1347
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,079
you don't produce. I mean like if you go to

1348
01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:20,239
like Canadian hockey players on Wikipedia, right, the list is

1349
01:20:20,279 --> 01:20:23,399
as long as my arm. It's just the national sport

1350
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:27,600
in Canada and you don't produce. It was Mario Lemu comedian.

1351
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,960
Oh yeah, I mean Lemieux right, So he knew he's

1352
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:36,279
cap waw right, and uh, because because when I was

1353
01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:41,279
growing up, like the three best players were uh in

1354
01:20:41,319 --> 01:20:43,640
the nineties were like Dwayne Gretzky was on the tail

1355
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:44,800
end of his career, but he was still you know,

1356
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,920
he was known as the great one for a reason. Uh,

1357
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:50,720
And Mario Lemieu was like an up and coming kid.

1358
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:55,520
And uh, Brett Hall right, like he was on Dallas.

1359
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:59,439
I want to say, yeah, Brett Hall was, isn't he Canadian?

1360
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 2: Too? Well, here's a funny story about that.

1361
01:21:03,159 --> 01:21:07,239
Speaker 1: So he talked about it in nineteen ninety six when

1362
01:21:07,239 --> 01:21:10,039
they had the World Cup of Hockey and it was

1363
01:21:10,079 --> 01:21:14,279
before the season started and NHL players played in it.

1364
01:21:14,279 --> 01:21:17,319
It was, you know, a bunch of guys playing for

1365
01:21:17,359 --> 01:21:23,560
their home countries. Brett Hull, his dad was Canadian Bobby Hall,

1366
01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:29,680
Hockey Hall of Famer, but Bobby married an American and

1367
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,239
Brett Hull wanted to play for Team Canada. I think

1368
01:21:33,359 --> 01:21:37,600
in nineteen eighty six. I can't remember the name of

1369
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,079
the coach for Team candidate though, but he like told said,

1370
01:21:41,279 --> 01:21:42,800
I don't like the kid, I don't want him on

1371
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,600
the team. And Brett Hull I got a chip on

1372
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,159
his shoulder and He's like, fuck you. Then I'm gonna

1373
01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:51,800
I'm going to use my American I'm gonna use my

1374
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:56,680
American citizen citizenship to play for the USA. And I

1375
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,119
mean thank god he did, because in the nineteen they

1376
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:02,399
wouldn't have won the World Cup in nineteen ninety six

1377
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:06,159
if if if that Okay, So the Canadian coach had

1378
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:07,239
an insulted Brett Hull.

1379
01:22:08,279 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 3: So so they won the nineties because Brett Hull was

1380
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,920
a joint US America Canadian American. Okay, So right, Like

1381
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:20,359
the three best players in the nineties all Canadian, pretty much,

1382
01:22:20,399 --> 01:22:23,399
yeah yeah, yeah, And I mean well one one was

1383
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,720
half Canadian. Okay, Well, but but his dad was also

1384
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,199
one of the greatest hockey players of all time, because

1385
01:22:28,199 --> 01:22:30,520
even I know the name Bobby hull yep, right, Like

1386
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,600
that's that's amazing.

1387
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean and to that point, I think it's.

1388
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 3: You know, like America is getting smaller, so like big

1389
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,239
guys like me, I mean you've met I'm pretty tall. Uh,

1390
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,560
I'm having a harder time finding clothes that fit in

1391
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,279
the store because the population is shrinking because it's getting

1392
01:22:54,319 --> 01:22:59,600
you know, more Hispanic and more Asian, and so like

1393
01:23:02,119 --> 01:23:07,800
being big and fast and strong isn't like the bl

1394
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,920
and all of like things like winning fights but it

1395
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:18,239
never hurt. And a society that can produce like lots

1396
01:23:18,279 --> 01:23:22,720
of big you know, in both World Wars, right, the

1397
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,119
Canadians or the Americans and the Ausies and New Dealander

1398
01:23:25,119 --> 01:23:26,560
just would go over to Europe and everyone would be like, oh,

1399
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:27,640
these guys are giants.

1400
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,399
Speaker 2: What the hell is what do they feed them over there?

1401
01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 3: And it's like lots of meat, you know, And and

1402
01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:35,319
the French and the British were like what the Like,

1403
01:23:35,359 --> 01:23:37,000
these guys are monsters.

1404
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 2: You know.

1405
01:23:41,159 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 3: A society that can produce those kind of guys, that's

1406
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:49,119
a good thing. Like we could discuss you know, I

1407
01:23:49,239 --> 01:23:51,279
need neither you and I want to discuss politics at

1408
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:52,279
this particular juncture.

1409
01:23:52,319 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 2: But like, a.

1410
01:23:55,359 --> 01:23:58,359
Speaker 3: A society that produces like lots of really athletic guys

1411
01:23:58,399 --> 01:24:00,960
that are somewhere between you know, five eight to six

1412
01:24:01,039 --> 01:24:04,359
foot three and you know, one hundred and seventy five

1413
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,479
to two hundred and thirty pounds, and they're all strong,

1414
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:12,000
and they're all quick, and they're all coordinated. Like that's

1415
01:24:12,039 --> 01:24:15,199
a that's a reserve in terms of like a prosperous,

1416
01:24:15,239 --> 01:24:20,079
functioning society that that you want people to have. Like

1417
01:24:20,119 --> 01:24:26,439
if everyone, if everyone in your society played hockey, then

1418
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,399
everybody knows how to like like, look, dude, you're a defenseman.

1419
01:24:29,399 --> 01:24:33,960
Your job is this. And I think that a society

1420
01:24:34,039 --> 01:24:41,600
that doesn't have things like sports in common and it

1421
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,199
is a less cohesive, less functioning society. So you know,

1422
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:46,760
if we're going to pick a national game, let's pick

1423
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:51,439
one that's like socially useful. And I think hockey would

1424
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,000
fit the bill, you know, yeah.

1425
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,039
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I agree, but yeah, the South

1426
01:24:58,199 --> 01:25:00,800
is just I mean, we're I love it s Sea country.

1427
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And for college football, it's just college football. College football,

1428
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,960
college football, well yes, but.

1429
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,399
Speaker 3: But but they're I mean, if you listen to Jose

1430
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,479
just published an episode about how they're major high schools

1431
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,680
in Dallas that don't have the ability to feel the

1432
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,119
hockey a football team anymore because of the South Asian invasion.

1433
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, like this is.

1434
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:30,199
Speaker 3: Not I mean, I'm consciously trying to get into hockey

1435
01:25:30,199 --> 01:25:35,600
because it's the white sport and I want to support

1436
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,000
the people that don't hate me. Where obviously the NFL

1437
01:25:39,119 --> 01:25:44,159
and and NBA, like they just completely they want nothing

1438
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:46,319
to do with me, and I'm fine with that. But

1439
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:57,159
you know, hockey, I can't think of a great hockey nasian,

1440
01:25:57,159 --> 01:26:02,640
whether it's any the Scandahovian countries or Russia or Canada

1441
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:07,880
or the United States or any Eastern EUROPEA countries, Like

1442
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,119
this is a place I would never want to live,

1443
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:13,159
and I don't like their society. Like hockey seems to

1444
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:15,359
me to be a sport for like places that I

1445
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:21,159
would like, like or I would have wanted formerly, you know,

1446
01:26:21,279 --> 01:26:24,439
like would'd be happy with Malmo right now? Probably not,

1447
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,239
but like Stockholm nic spring Day sounds like a pretty

1448
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:31,920
good time. Then, Yeah, I think hockey.

1449
01:26:34,279 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 2: The I used to.

1450
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:45,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's say allegedly, I used to have a

1451
01:26:45,079 --> 01:26:51,960
access to a lot of European channels, TV channels, probably

1452
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:59,920
not sanctioned, but you know, allegedly this happened. Yeah, the game,

1453
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:04,199
the games in the German league are great. You know,

1454
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:08,199
I watch games from Germany. Just the German leagues themselves,

1455
01:27:08,359 --> 01:27:11,840
they are great. The Swedish leagues, they have Swedish elite leagues,

1456
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:15,439
those are great, you know, and I mean these are

1457
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,239
I mean it is it's a white sport. I mean

1458
01:27:20,319 --> 01:27:25,199
it's You've had some good black players over the years,

1459
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:28,319
but they're the exception that proves the rule. You know,

1460
01:27:28,399 --> 01:27:35,039
You've had, like I mean one one Hispanic. I can

1461
01:27:35,119 --> 01:27:37,199
really think of Scotty Gomez and you know he was

1462
01:27:37,239 --> 01:27:41,960
American from Alaska, really good player, but you know, when

1463
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:43,720
it comes when it comes down to it, I mean,

1464
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:47,159
it's a white sport. I mean my my high school team,

1465
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,880
we had, I mean guys with my my last name,

1466
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,800
another Hispanic last name, had a black dude playing on

1467
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:58,560
the team. I mean it's New York City and you know,

1468
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,720
none of us were ghetto. You know, we were all

1469
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:05,439
going to a nice Catholic school and you know, having

1470
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:11,319
you know, paying tuition, and you know, we all spoke properly,

1471
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,640
as proper as you can speak with a New York accent,

1472
01:28:16,199 --> 01:28:22,720
and yeah, but the exception is really the exception. It

1473
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:28,079
just reminded me of something hilarious. There was this player

1474
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:33,880
in the seventies, French Canadian guy, Roger Albert rob. If

1475
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,600
he spelled his name, it would be Rod Gilbert. It

1476
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:41,079
was pronounced Rogilbert because French Canadian. He said one of

1477
01:28:41,079 --> 01:28:44,840
the funniest fucking things in an interview I remember, and

1478
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,079
they got so mad at him, even back then. They

1479
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:53,399
asked him, they said, how come there aren't more black

1480
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,800
hockey players and he said, well, because in Canada we

1481
01:28:57,960 --> 01:28:59,600
use black people as hockey bucks.

1482
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the one example I have of a

1483
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:08,880
of a of a black hockey player that I know of,

1484
01:29:09,359 --> 01:29:11,600
you know, he committed murder on the ice in England.

1485
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 2: So well.

1486
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:18,279
Speaker 1: The goalie for that great Edmonton Oilers team was Grant

1487
01:29:18,319 --> 01:29:20,319
Fear and he was a he was a black guy.

1488
01:29:20,399 --> 01:29:24,960
There was Jerome mcginla played a played a long career.

1489
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,960
He was like half I mean he was like African.

1490
01:29:28,039 --> 01:29:31,039
He wasn't like African American. I mean it's like he

1491
01:29:31,159 --> 01:29:33,560
was like half like African his mom was born in

1492
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,760
Africa or something like that. But I mean, when it

1493
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,920
comes down to it, you're you're talking about you're really

1494
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,159
just talking about the exception.

1495
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,079
Speaker 2: I mean, you have I think.

1496
01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:50,279
Speaker 3: Player or he was saying, like hockey basically selects for

1497
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,319
like intact families with a little bit of money.

1498
01:29:53,279 --> 01:29:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, like like.

1499
01:29:55,159 --> 01:29:59,359
Speaker 3: That between like taking kids to you know, five o'clock

1500
01:29:59,399 --> 01:30:02,960
ice five o'clock in the morning practices that all the gear,

1501
01:30:04,279 --> 01:30:08,319
you know, skates and pads and sticks and helmets and

1502
01:30:08,359 --> 01:30:12,279
all that stuff, and ice fees and that's expensive, right,

1503
01:30:12,399 --> 01:30:18,600
so between between all that, like you it sounds like

1504
01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:25,119
basically hockey, hockey filters for like intact families. Well not

1505
01:30:25,319 --> 01:30:30,000
only that. Here, here's the thing. Parents that are willing

1506
01:30:30,039 --> 01:30:31,840
to get up at four or five o'clock in the

1507
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,159
morning and take you to play.

1508
01:30:34,199 --> 01:30:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like involved parents.

1509
01:30:36,399 --> 01:30:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're it's going to have to be

1510
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,359
parents who are now.

1511
01:30:43,039 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 2: In the city.

1512
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,199
Speaker 1: Like we would even if my dad didn't take us

1513
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:50,119
or something like that, a bunch of us would get

1514
01:30:50,119 --> 01:30:54,960
together and travel together. We could ride the train, you know,

1515
01:30:55,119 --> 01:30:59,000
or do something like that. But we were together, you know,

1516
01:30:59,079 --> 01:31:01,800
we would you know, the strength and numbers kind of thing.

1517
01:31:02,319 --> 01:31:04,239
I mean, for the most part, when I was going

1518
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:06,880
to play at Laskar's on one hundred and cent Street

1519
01:31:07,119 --> 01:31:10,600
in Central Park as my dad driving us, you know,

1520
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,199
and this is you got to be there at seven

1521
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,640
six forty five in the morning, seven o'clock to suit

1522
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:21,119
up and get on the ice by seven thirty. So yeah,

1523
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:26,119
I mean it's you know, your parents are parents are

1524
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:28,640
not only gonna have to be present, but they're gonna

1525
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,560
have to be involved, and they're gonna have and they're

1526
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:36,359
gonna have to be I mean, they're gonna have to

1527
01:31:36,359 --> 01:31:39,000
be okay with you doing this or even promote you

1528
01:31:39,079 --> 01:31:39,520
doing this.

1529
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,520
Speaker 2: So it's not like the.

1530
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:47,640
Speaker 3: Most famous hockey parent in America, you know, Sarah Palin,

1531
01:31:50,359 --> 01:31:55,560
Like right, you know, you made lots of jokes about that,

1532
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,520
but that's the sort of thing that actually, yeah, like

1533
01:31:59,279 --> 01:32:03,159
moms who have to care about their kids, Like, yeah,

1534
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,199
you know the difference between the hockey mom and a

1535
01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:07,520
pit bull's lipstick, right, Like you know, that's that's a

1536
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:14,479
funny line. I mean, like that's a funny line. That's

1537
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,600
the sort of mom that actually really cares about their kids.

1538
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,359
You know, if hockey dads are like willing to throw

1539
01:32:20,359 --> 01:32:22,159
down about their kids, not NI good enough ice time

1540
01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:24,960
or whatever, like that's the dad that cares about their kids.

1541
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: So there was there was a There was a hockey

1542
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,119
movie in the in the nineteen eighties. Came out in

1543
01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:36,880
nineteen eighty six called Young Blood starbu starring Rob Low,

1544
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,560
Patrick Swayzee. Kenna Reeves was in it. Kenna Reeves actually

1545
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,680
plays a French Canadian in it, and he's using a

1546
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,760
French Canadian accent and he's not bad at it. It

1547
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:48,960
turns out he plays the goalie on the team. It

1548
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,319
turns out he was a goalie, so like you see yeah,

1549
01:32:52,399 --> 01:32:56,000
so you see him. Like I could actually played this video,

1550
01:32:56,039 --> 01:32:58,760
but there I just wanted to play this one clip

1551
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,000
from the movie and tell me if you would hear

1552
01:33:03,039 --> 01:33:05,279
a clip like this in a movie today.

1553
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:11,039
Speaker 2: Listen to this, Yay getting out of this hick town.

1554
01:33:11,159 --> 01:33:13,399
Speaker 4: Thank god there is still a sport for middle sized

1555
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,079
white boys.

1556
01:33:20,359 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 2: Would you hear a line? Never? Never? Never?

1557
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 3: And so I mean part of the part of the

1558
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,760
reason I mean this is that I was a big

1559
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:35,279
sports fan O twenty odd years ago. Because it's just

1560
01:33:35,319 --> 01:33:37,399
a whatever else you want to say about it's a

1561
01:33:37,399 --> 01:33:40,640
field of excellence and like, you know, it's extraordinary, like

1562
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,359
some of the stuff that he's you know, Jack seven

1563
01:33:43,359 --> 01:33:45,560
foot two, three hundred pounds can bench pressure truck right

1564
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:54,359
like it's it's extraordinary. And Steve Saylor right just was

1565
01:33:54,399 --> 01:33:55,960
also a guy who's are just do sports. He would

1566
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,520
just talk about the truth about this stuff. And the

1567
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:00,800
fact is is it like every other in the world,

1568
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:05,000
every other big pro sport like selects four. You know,

1569
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:13,279
maybe five people in the NBA are under six foot, right,

1570
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:17,960
and and most of them are like not just six

1571
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,439
foot but like six four or six five is the

1572
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:22,479
small guys they're monsters.

1573
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:23,399
Speaker 2: I mean they're huge.

1574
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 3: They're huge, Like, you know, a substantial percentage of the

1575
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,000
of the population of the world that's seven foot plus

1576
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:33,720
has played in the NBA, right, Like it's just that's

1577
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:37,920
the game, right, you know, guys that are you know,

1578
01:34:38,079 --> 01:34:40,359
six foot five and three hundred pounds, Like a lot

1579
01:34:40,359 --> 01:34:42,880
of those guys, you know, the really really just not

1580
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,720
tall guys, but just huge guys. Like they're all in

1581
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:54,239
the NFL right on the line somewhere. And you know,

1582
01:34:54,279 --> 01:34:57,520
the the NFL or the NHL is the only sport

1583
01:34:58,359 --> 01:35:00,720
where there could be like a really great player who's

1584
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:08,760
five ten one seventy and you know he's just skilled

1585
01:35:11,039 --> 01:35:12,239
maybe baseball, but.

1586
01:35:14,319 --> 01:35:19,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Yeah, when I was growing up, so in

1587
01:35:19,319 --> 01:35:23,079
the seventies, I think, if I remember correctly, the average

1588
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:27,279
height in the NHL was five foot ten. It's gotten

1589
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:30,439
a lot bigger six foot it's six foot one now

1590
01:35:32,359 --> 01:35:35,720
and the average weight is like two hundred pounds. But

1591
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:37,479
when I was growing up, it was a lot of

1592
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:41,119
skinny white guys who you know, who were five foot ten.

1593
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:46,479
And it's just one of those things where as players

1594
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:52,239
came in from Eastern Europe, you know, who were had

1595
01:35:52,279 --> 01:35:54,119
a tendency to be bigger, especially a lot of the

1596
01:35:54,319 --> 01:35:56,960
a lot of the Czech players were bigger, and a

1597
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:58,920
lot of the Russian players came in who had a

1598
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:03,840
tendency to be stronger. Someone like Vladimir Constantinov was just

1599
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:05,640
this he was a fucking cave man.

1600
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1601
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,239
Speaker 1: It was just I mean, it had shoulders that you

1602
01:36:09,279 --> 01:36:13,680
could you know, we're just so broad and flat that yeah,

1603
01:36:14,119 --> 01:36:19,640
players just had to get bigger, and it was you know,

1604
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,319
you still see you still see some players who are

1605
01:36:23,359 --> 01:36:25,079
they're going to be skilled players, are going to be

1606
01:36:25,079 --> 01:36:28,279
finesse players, who can be five foot ten, five foot,

1607
01:36:28,399 --> 01:36:32,119
five foot eleven, but yeah, most of the most of

1608
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:34,359
the guys now are going to be in the six

1609
01:36:34,399 --> 01:36:36,800
foot one range. And I mean they have goalies that

1610
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:39,159
are like six foot five, six foot six. When I

1611
01:36:39,239 --> 01:36:41,600
was a kid, like goalies were like five foot eight,

1612
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:47,159
five foot nine, you know, So you know it it's

1613
01:36:48,399 --> 01:36:52,359
you know, it's changed as it become more international. But

1614
01:36:52,399 --> 01:36:56,399
then you know, remember when it's international, it's just becoming

1615
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,800
more slov and more Eastern European. It's that like, you know,

1616
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,680
people it's not like they're coming in from they're importing

1617
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:04,039
seven footers from Africa.

1618
01:37:04,119 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 3: Minute Bowl is coming, you know, yeah, you know that's

1619
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,000
not that happened. It's going to be you know, I

1620
01:37:10,039 --> 01:37:13,920
have an ivan off from Chess Molensk, you know, like

1621
01:37:15,319 --> 01:37:15,760
right like.

1622
01:37:18,039 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 1: And a lot of those Russian players were finesse players too,

1623
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:23,159
like a pavl Bret. I met Pavel Bret and he

1624
01:37:23,279 --> 01:37:27,239
was my but I mean he was so fucking fast

1625
01:37:27,359 --> 01:37:30,640
and so graceful, and he could do things with the

1626
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:34,159
puck that were I mean, it were like it was

1627
01:37:34,199 --> 01:37:37,399
like beautiful, like he was like dancing, he was playing ballet.

1628
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:40,000
You know, it was ballet out there on skate, you know,

1629
01:37:40,119 --> 01:37:40,920
on skates.

1630
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I remember watching a documentary about like the

1631
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:50,359
Russian feeder program or something, and I know that the

1632
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:55,239
like the Broad's uh years ago, I was listening to

1633
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:59,399
reading something about the eighty Olympics and basically like the

1634
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:04,680
Broad Street, right, the Philadelphia Uh that's Philadelphia, right, yep,

1635
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:06,199
Philly Right.

1636
01:38:06,279 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 3: They just absolutely like destroyed the Russian team because they

1637
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,319
were all like finesse. But I remember watching this documentary

1638
01:38:11,359 --> 01:38:14,439
about the about the Russian farm system whatever their equivalent

1639
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:18,520
of like the junior hockey is, and they actually had

1640
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:20,800
the guys like doing like ballet in the summers, right,

1641
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:22,600
Like it's like you know.

1642
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:26,359
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, she's a documentary. Yeah, uh huh.

1643
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:32,319
Speaker 3: And I I understand why people on our side of

1644
01:38:32,319 --> 01:38:34,520
the defense like signal against sports ball. And I absolutely

1645
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:37,800
understand like the whole obsession with sports is a poison

1646
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:41,640
in a culture, especially the way we do sports in

1647
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:44,359
North America, particularly in the United States, Like I get it,

1648
01:38:45,319 --> 01:38:49,359
but also like you have to have a healthy masculinity outlet,

1649
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:54,399
and like you know, when some guy does something wrong

1650
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,720
on the field, then he gets knocked in the next week,

1651
01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:59,359
like there's some justice in that that. I think that

1652
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:04,840
like those lines in life, there's there's some kind of

1653
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,600
lessons you can only learn playing sports. There's a lot

1654
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:10,319
of a lot of life lessons that can only be

1655
01:39:10,399 --> 01:39:12,720
learned playing sports. And I think that that that's a

1656
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:17,279
good thing that that, like people learn those well.

1657
01:39:17,319 --> 01:39:20,520
Speaker 1: Team sports is also important too, because it, you know, teaches,

1658
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,720
it gets you out of that individuality mindset, you know.

1659
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:28,439
Playing yeahs tennis is and my brother was a My

1660
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:33,279
brother was a phenomenal tennis player. Full yet offers for

1661
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:39,199
full scholarships to I mean twenty twenty five thirty colleges.

1662
01:39:40,199 --> 01:39:44,720
But yeah, that's that's an individual sport, and team sport

1663
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:48,600
is something, especially hockey. I mean, you you really are.

1664
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:52,960
It's it's very hard to be one guy out on

1665
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:57,159
the ice. Yeah, you you're relying on your on your

1666
01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:00,479
guys out there. So you know, it helps build that

1667
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:05,520
collective kind of spirit and you know, you're not that

1668
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,720
that whole thing of oh we're just we're all individuals

1669
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:12,039
and collectivism is communism and everything like that. Okay, well,

1670
01:40:12,199 --> 01:40:16,319
you know, fuck you, but I liked playing team sports.

1671
01:40:16,359 --> 01:40:19,119
I liked being part of a team, even though I

1672
01:40:19,159 --> 01:40:21,279
didn't really have a lot in common with a lot

1673
01:40:21,279 --> 01:40:24,279
of the guys on the team. But when it came

1674
01:40:24,359 --> 01:40:26,319
to being on the ice and in the locker room,

1675
01:40:26,399 --> 01:40:28,439
we got along. But you know, I went to high

1676
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:31,560
school with these guys and I ran with a different

1677
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,199
crowd than like the jock crowd even though I played.

1678
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:39,079
But you know, still everyone you know had a click.

1679
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:45,399
And the playing a team sport like that, especially when

1680
01:40:45,399 --> 01:40:50,399
you're playing football, you can get totally like you have

1681
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:52,960
linemen on opposite side of the line who may never

1682
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:59,439
you know, they're not doing anything together, you know, in tandem.

1683
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,319
But hockey, when you only have five guys out there

1684
01:41:02,359 --> 01:41:05,479
and you're condensed into this, you.

1685
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 2: Know rightly, like.

1686
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 3: Football is a very bimodal sport right at certain levels,

1687
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:15,439
like if two way balls an't really a thing anymore.

1688
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:18,760
But like you know, the offense of the defense are

1689
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:21,239
almost totally separate teams with totally separate ways of doing

1690
01:41:21,319 --> 01:41:25,039
things and totally separate there's two separate games. Playing defense

1691
01:41:25,079 --> 01:41:30,000
in football and playing offensive football are completely different versus hockey.

1692
01:41:30,119 --> 01:41:33,520
You know, it's six guys, we're out there all the

1693
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:39,119
time together, they're all doing the same thing, you know,

1694
01:41:39,359 --> 01:41:43,359
trying to win a game. You know, even the goalie,

1695
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:46,479
even if he's slightly different.

1696
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:53,079
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the goalie is the goalies relying upon

1697
01:41:53,159 --> 01:41:57,800
his defenseman as much as as much as a forward.

1698
01:41:58,199 --> 01:42:00,720
You know, a winger is relying on his center to

1699
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:05,199
get them the puck. You know, the the goalie is

1700
01:42:06,079 --> 01:42:10,880
really the goalies the general out there. You you will

1701
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:14,880
see a lot of goalies when their team is on

1702
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:16,960
the other end of the ice, on the when they're

1703
01:42:17,239 --> 01:42:20,239
on the offensive end. There are goalies that will skate

1704
01:42:20,399 --> 01:42:23,720
up almost to their blue line and you'll hear them

1705
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:27,720
barking like they'll be barking out orders like hey, you know,

1706
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:32,840
watch this what you know? So goalies can actually become

1707
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,479
generals out there. And when you're backing your own defensive

1708
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:40,399
end and the other team in your goalie, you have

1709
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:41,560
to listen to your goalie.

1710
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:46,079
Speaker 3: So you mentioned like the center being the quarterback. Like

1711
01:42:46,119 --> 01:42:49,359
in basketball, your smartest players tend to be point guards.

1712
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:54,039
In in baseball, it's catchers. Our goalies. The guy like

1713
01:42:54,119 --> 01:42:56,880
are more like a lot of former coaches in baseball

1714
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:58,720
will be like former catchers, right because they there were

1715
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:01,239
there were the guys who were the most like saw

1716
01:43:01,279 --> 01:43:04,000
the whole field or whatever, and tended to be more

1717
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:08,760
intellectual players. A lot of point guards end up being

1718
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:13,720
coaches in the NBA. A lot of quarterbacks end up

1719
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:17,479
as coaches in football. Is it like goalies and centers

1720
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:20,199
that end up being like if someone was to retire

1721
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:21,920
or from playing and then.

1722
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:25,560
Speaker 2: Become a coach, is it like would they whether that

1723
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:26,560
be like goalies.

1724
01:43:26,199 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 1: And centers or you have goal you have goalies and centers.

1725
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:33,920
A lot of times if you go through, I'd have

1726
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,079
to go through like the head coaches. Like when I

1727
01:43:36,199 --> 01:43:39,199
was growing up, most of the head coaches of the

1728
01:43:39,239 --> 01:43:40,920
teams had never played in the NHL.

1729
01:43:43,359 --> 01:43:45,039
Speaker 2: It was they.

1730
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:52,640
Speaker 1: They were coaches that, strangely enough, came up through that

1731
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:56,640
those junior systems as well. You know, they started being

1732
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:58,800
they played in the juniors, they weren't good enough to

1733
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:03,439
play in the NHL, so that they they became coaches

1734
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:06,000
and trainers and stuff like that, and then they just

1735
01:44:06,039 --> 01:44:09,640
worked their way their way up. I know, wah, I know.

1736
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:12,439
Patrick waw was was a head coach for a while.

1737
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:19,239
Uh who could understand him as French accent? Jeez, The

1738
01:44:19,319 --> 01:44:22,399
Quebecqua accent is like redneck French. It's very difficult.

1739
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:27,720
Speaker 3: It's so I lived, you know, where I lived in Lauderdale,

1740
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:31,199
there were a lot of quebecuah, and yes, sometimes it'd

1741
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:34,399
be like what I talked about, what young guys who

1742
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:36,319
lived in the same building I did down there?

1743
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:39,359
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Can't here? Slow down?

1744
01:44:40,039 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm trying to think now, like players and

1745
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:54,000
where they played. Yeah, centers, yeah, Brenda Moore, Yeah, yeah, yeah, centers, goalies.

1746
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:59,039
I'm trying to think of defenseman. Defense. To me, defenseman

1747
01:44:59,159 --> 01:45:04,359
would be would be make a good head coach? Huh

1748
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:08,159
because a defenseman, the goalie can see the whole ice,

1749
01:45:08,199 --> 01:45:10,520
everything's happening on the ice, But so it's the defenseman.

1750
01:45:12,119 --> 01:45:12,279
Speaker 2: Uh.

1751
01:45:13,359 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 1: That's got me thinking. Now, I'm sure someone's screaming at me, going, Pete,

1752
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:22,159
come on, you know this. I just don't like I said,

1753
01:45:23,079 --> 01:45:27,279
I really liked watching, still watched. I didn't like it,

1754
01:45:27,359 --> 01:45:30,399
but I still watched a lot of sports up until

1755
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:34,520
the time COVID hit. When COVID hit, I just I

1756
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:37,000
was so pissed off at all these leagues for shutting

1757
01:45:37,039 --> 01:45:38,359
down and everything like that.

1758
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 2: I understand. I was like, fuck you guys.

1759
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, why would you do this, well,

1760
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:48,399
you're giving up billions. I mean, you know, I think

1761
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:52,039
I wrote something at the time that these guys had

1762
01:45:52,079 --> 01:45:54,279
to have been getting reimbursed, they had to have been

1763
01:45:54,319 --> 01:45:56,279
promised to get that money back and everything.

1764
01:45:56,279 --> 01:46:02,199
Speaker 2: I'm sure they did as worse than you know. There

1765
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:03,760
was there was.

1766
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 1: A strike in the two thousands to shut the league down,

1767
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:09,800
and like a bunch of people went and played in

1768
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,960
Europe and a lot of people went played in Russia

1769
01:46:13,079 --> 01:46:17,800
in the Russian leagues and everything. And I understood that.

1770
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:21,039
You know, it's like you're going to have people who

1771
01:46:21,079 --> 01:46:23,399
are going to you know, they're going to strike and

1772
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:27,319
everything like that, and then be like for free agency

1773
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:34,159
or for you know, more mostly for you know, we

1774
01:46:34,279 --> 01:46:36,640
want to have more control over who I can sign

1775
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:39,840
with so you don't have to wait to be in

1776
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:42,279
the league so long to become an unrestricted free agent,

1777
01:46:42,399 --> 01:46:46,720
things like that. But yeah, COVID was just the I

1778
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:51,680
just I couldn't get past that. COVID just changed pretty

1779
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:55,880
much everything for me. It's like, that's right, I just

1780
01:46:56,119 --> 01:46:58,760
dove headfirst into the political and had to figure out

1781
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,239
what the hell and why why all this was happening.

1782
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 2: Well, I you know, that's why we're friends.

1783
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 3: Actually is that? Is that a friend of a Fieldhouse?

1784
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:12,520
Actually it was like what happened to Pete? It's like, well,

1785
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:14,439
twenty twenty cured him of the delusion that people want

1786
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:21,000
to be free. It's like I've read repeat from libertarian days,

1787
01:47:21,039 --> 01:47:24,600
like yeah, actually, well he was, and then then everyone

1788
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:27,560
was like, oh, I don't want freedom. Freedom sounds icky

1789
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:31,199
and hard, like, well, yeah, that's that's kind of the point.

1790
01:47:31,279 --> 01:47:38,079
But you know, it's it's having played in that team sport, right,

1791
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:42,880
knowing your role and and doing like not everyone's got

1792
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:44,359
to be the rock star. Not everyone's going to be

1793
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:50,680
you know, our mutual friend, uh Mike Ferris, right, Like

1794
01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:55,279
everyone thinks they're in a superhero movie now, yeah, and

1795
01:47:55,319 --> 01:47:58,600
everyone you know, like has everyone has main character syndromas

1796
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:00,560
like that, that's not how life works. Actually, that's that's

1797
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,640
a very unhealthy way to go about living life.

1798
01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:05,239
Speaker 1: A lot of people have main character syndrome.

1799
01:48:05,319 --> 01:48:05,520
Speaker 2: Man.

1800
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:08,640
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you heard the episode.

1801
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:12,640
I haven't released it yet. With Darryl in Fieldhouse.

1802
01:48:13,159 --> 01:48:16,119
Speaker 2: I was listening to it right before we got on Ashley.

1803
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Daryl made a really good point. He said, Yo,

1804
01:48:20,039 --> 01:48:23,000
people everybody wants to be a general. No one wants

1805
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,479
to be No one wants to be able to take

1806
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:26,720
no one wants to take orders.

1807
01:48:27,159 --> 01:48:30,399
Speaker 3: Well yeah, well, and that's I learned from doing certain

1808
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:34,279
team sports that like, I'm not good at certain things,

1809
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:38,199
like I'm just not but what I am good at,

1810
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:42,199
I'm good at. And it's all like, I'm not gonna

1811
01:48:43,319 --> 01:48:45,560
try and do like you do such an amazing job

1812
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:47,439
with the show of finding all these different guests and

1813
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,399
dealing with all these different things headaches that I just

1814
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:54,800
would be bad at and being friendly and like respectful

1815
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:56,279
with people that I just want to be, Like, you're

1816
01:48:56,319 --> 01:49:01,239
a fucking more odd like and uh, you know, like

1817
01:49:01,319 --> 01:49:03,800
hosting a show and and being like a subject matter

1818
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:06,800
expert are two different things. And I think that that,

1819
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:10,279
you know, playing a team sport where it's like, hey man,

1820
01:49:10,279 --> 01:49:12,600
your job is this, we need you to do this

1821
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:18,159
one thing consistently, and that's you know, that's your day job,

1822
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:24,079
that's you know, that's your family life, right.

1823
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 2: Dads can't be moms. Moms can't be dads.

1824
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:33,600
Speaker 3: And and you know, I look at the kind of

1825
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:36,800
society's hockey produces or hockey comes from, and I'm like

1826
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:39,119
this is a good sport and I want to learn more.

1827
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:42,920
So yeah, thanks, thanks for the chemacation beat.

1828
01:49:43,279 --> 01:49:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm glad I could help. I recommend.

1829
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:52,039
Speaker 1: If you want to get a good, like an entertaining

1830
01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:54,399
hockey movie. Okay, people are going to tell you a

1831
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:58,520
slap shot. Slash Shot is actually a really good hockey movie,

1832
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:02,600
but it concentrates much on fighting. It is more of

1833
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:05,399
a you know, it's it's an enjoyable movie. I mean

1834
01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:07,880
Paul Newman, Paul Newman actually learned how to freaking play

1835
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:11,119
hockey to be in that movie. And Paul Newman was

1836
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:14,000
like almost fifty at the time. So you got to

1837
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,800
give it to Paul Newman. It's a good movie. But

1838
01:50:17,079 --> 01:50:21,079
the nineteen eighty six movie young Blood is such a

1839
01:50:21,119 --> 01:50:25,800
good movie to like get into hockey with, because it's

1840
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:28,760
like I was watching a video of somebody reviewing it

1841
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,520
earlier today and what was his uh He had a

1842
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:36,680
really good line about it. He said, where is it?

1843
01:50:38,199 --> 01:50:44,159
He said, young Blood actually got hockey right. So there

1844
01:50:44,159 --> 01:50:46,239
are some things in it where if you're a hockey

1845
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:50,800
fan you'll be like uh uh, and he points it out.

1846
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:55,079
But when it comes down to it, like it's it's

1847
01:50:55,159 --> 01:51:00,439
a good introduction hockey movie. And you know, I played

1848
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:02,640
that one little clip from it, and you know, it

1849
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:06,239
really is. It just shows you that this is a

1850
01:51:06,239 --> 01:51:11,079
sport that was, you know, dominated by Canadian white boys

1851
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:14,800
from small towns, even though they're in it takes place

1852
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:17,239
in Hamilton, Ontario that they keep calling a small town.

1853
01:51:17,279 --> 01:51:19,359
But as the guy points out in the video, Hamilton,

1854
01:51:19,399 --> 01:51:23,359
Ontario is like half million people. I would hate to

1855
01:51:23,359 --> 01:51:26,840
see what Hamilton Ontario is right now. It's not good.

1856
01:51:27,399 --> 01:51:31,439
I don't know. It's like when I found out what

1857
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:36,159
happens in Brampton. Yeah, similar, similar thing. And I only

1858
01:51:36,199 --> 01:51:39,000
know because the late great Cathy Shadle was was from Hamilton.

1859
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:40,279
Speaker 2: Did you complain?

1860
01:51:40,319 --> 01:51:40,399
Speaker 3: Not?

1861
01:51:41,239 --> 01:51:44,159
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's if anybody would like wants to watch

1862
01:51:44,159 --> 01:51:48,199
a movie about hockey, fine, young Blood, it's you. It's entertaining.

1863
01:51:48,279 --> 01:51:54,319
It has everything it has. It has movie tropes where

1864
01:51:54,319 --> 01:51:58,000
you know, the main character, you know you is attracted

1865
01:51:58,079 --> 01:52:00,640
to the coach's daughter, you know kind of, I mean,

1866
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:03,520
you know, just that those kind of troops and everything,

1867
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:07,079
but they're but it's a fun movie. And uh, there

1868
01:52:07,079 --> 01:52:09,479
are some line you know, there there are some themes

1869
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:12,159
in it, some lines in it that you're you're gonna

1870
01:52:12,199 --> 01:52:15,000
laugh your ass off and you'll be like, never get

1871
01:52:15,039 --> 01:52:21,479
away with saying that today. Slapshots another one of those movies.

1872
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:23,960
It's like that too. It was just like this movie

1873
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:28,520
is really white. It's like, yeah, because it's hockey, right.

1874
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:30,800
Speaker 3: Well, and that's that's That's one of the things about

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hockey it's attractive, is just that that it's still European culturally. Yeah,

1876
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that's a something that ought to be preserved.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Man, all right, well let's get out of here. I

1879
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appreciate this and nice to talk about and share a

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little bit of videos and everything and Bobby or and

1881
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just get to relive some you know, I didn't do

1882
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much research for this, but you know, looking up some

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of the videos and watching some of the things, I

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was like.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, god, I used to love this so much.

1886
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It's like I gotta get back into it. I gotta

1887
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start watching again. Although you know, the Nashville Predators did

1888
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put out there. Did you see that logo they put

1889
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out the other day? No rainbow logo? I was gonna say,

1890
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was it Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was like a like they did their logo

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with like a rainbow, rainbow colors.

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Speaker 2: It's like, God, come on, they tried to you know,

1894
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they didn't been. Shapiro moved to Nashville. Couldn't you just

1895
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do like you know, yeah, he moved.

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Speaker 1: He moved his business to Nashville, and then he was like, yeah,

1897
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I'm not staying here and went to Miami. Oh that

1898
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makes all the time or something like that, where they

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all are. But yeah, so he gets to say, oh,

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my business is in Nashville, but yeah, where do you live?

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Then let's not oh, go I didn't fly.

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Speaker 3: Let's not talk about politics, but.

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Speaker 2: Well, I promote your show.

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Speaker 3: Uh well, I have the fundamental principles on telegram. Pete's

1905
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been kind of enough beyond it. And then of course

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I'm fortunate enough to be a regular guest on the

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Thought Crimes Etiquette with Pete and our mutual friends Charles

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Badel and Jose Nino. I was just on jose show

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that should come out in the next couple of days,

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and I did an episode of The Third Rail last

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week or something like that. So I'm just kind of

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you know, here there and everywhere, usually talking about you know, doom,

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importance and awful things, which you know, there's been no

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shortage of lately. So I appreciate Pete giving me the

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chance to talk about something I Januy could learn something about.

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Speaker 2: So no man, I appreciate it. Thank you, You're welcome.

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Speaker 3: S