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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Peking Yona Show.
Speaker 2: Dee is back. What's going on to Ee? Not much, Pete,
So good to talk to you, you, my friend, good to
talk to you.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about something that hole has had a
hold on my interest since I was very young, probably like,
oh god, I'm probably five or six years old, watched
my first game and became obsessed and wanted to play it.
People have probably heard me talk about this before. It's
the sport of hockey. You know anything about hockey?
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 3: Wayne Gretzky was a really great defenceman and there's a
dude in the goal.
Speaker 2: Well you you got one of those, right, Okay? Yeah,
that's about as much as I know about hockey.
Speaker 3: I mean really, uh, you know, you can't be a
sports guy, which I was for a bit and not
know at least a little bit, right, But but basically
I'm completely ignorant.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, Wayne Gretzky was a he was a forward,
he was a censor sometimes he played wang, not a defenceman.
But I actually have a video queued up of who
I considered to be one of the greatest defensemen of
all time.
Speaker 2: We can talk about that later.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think there's a lot of reasons why
I think it's the greatest, uh the greatest sport on
the planet, and probably the one reason that it is
is because of where it's played, the cold, how much
it costs to play, the times you might have to
wake up to play and how much equipment costs. Yeah,
you're you're basically keeping out the worst, the worst of
all elements of every of every group out there. You know,
most of the when I was growing up, the schools
that had the had the better teams were schools that
had like the highest tuition in the Catholic league that
I that I played in. So it just makes sense.
Speaker 3: I mean again, I don't know much, so I mean,
correct me if I'm wrong about any of this. But
it's overwhelmingly played by Canadians Americans, and not just Americans
but Americans from like the Upper Midwest and the Northeast.
And it's played in Europe. And that's about it.
Speaker 2: Pretty much. Yeah, I mean, like total white supremacy.
Speaker 3: And I know that when I was growing up, like
ice time was a thing, and you'd have to get
up at like five o'clock in the morning if you
go get ice time?
Speaker 2: Is this correct?
Speaker 1: Five o'clock, Sometimes four o'clock. If you were in a
league that was outside of like a high school league
or something like that, sometimes your league games would start
at eleven o'clock at night or midnight or something like that. Yeah,
it's one of those things. Is that one of those
games that you're they can actually make more money from
an open skate of people of couples walking, you know,
skating around to music and holding hands, and they can
for people coming in and paying to play to play hockey,
So couples aren't going to do that normally at eleven o'clock,
ten o'clock, eleven or twelve or midnight and five o'clock
in the morning, so that's when you get ice time.
You get ice time. Like in New York, there was
a place called Sky Rink and if you wanted to
play open hockey, you normally have to get there around
six six point thirty Laskar's Rink, which was basically in
Harlem in Central Park one hundred and tenth Street. You
had there was an open skate on Saturday and Sundays
from seven thirty till nine where you where the rink
would be like advanced game going on media, you know,
a beginner game going on, and then like guys who
you know have been playing for a little while going on,
all on the same gigantic rinked So yeah, it basically
it there was just the way it was structured. The
gatekeeping was pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: Well, and.
Speaker 3: The sports, I mean, sports occupied such a huge place
in the culture that you know, like I I personally
am I've started. One of the reasons that I wanted
to do the show is I want to get more
into hockey because you know, I can occasionally I can
make the drive and like go see Akraken's game, and
you know, like going to see a Seahawks game is
way too expensive. It's it's everything I don't like about
American culture and like one specific spot, you know, Mariner's
games are much better. You know, it's a several hour
drive for me to go. So of all the professional
sports teams out there, I would much rather go see
like the crack it. But I don't know anything about it,
you know, because it just wasn't was I was raised
with it. I didn't didn't grow up with it. So
like explain it to me, like I'm a retarded five
year old.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, I mean you know that there's there's a
rank and everything. It's been so long since I like,
like I can't remember the length of the rank and
the two hundred and ten feet I can't remember, but
and the width of the rank. But the rank is
split into sections, there's a center line. Your team will
be on one side for for the first period and
the TMB the other. Then you'll switch after the three periods,
you'll switch sides after which really what that does mostly
is is your bench in the first period is going
to be on your side of the ice, but in
the second period, your bench is going to be all
the way on the other side of the ice. So
if you need if you're if you're gassed, and you
and you're you know, you're huffing, and you can't you
can't continue your shift, you have to make a longer
trip to the bench to change, you know, to switch
out and get somebody who's who's fresh on the ice
and everything. There's there's zones. You have center ice, you
have blue lines, and then you have goal lines. Goal
lines are all the way down that's where the nets.
The nets are set up on the goal line. You
want to get the puck between you know, score goal
got to get across. The goal line has got to
be in the net. The blue lines are to prevent
I mean, or to prevent offside and so or to
not prevent offside, but to regulate. So the easiest thing
you could do in hockey is is you'd have one
guy who would stay all the way down by the
other team's net and you just throw the puck down
to him and he'd be alone with the goalie that line.
The puck has to go over that line to go
into the other zone before any of your players do,
and that prevents that from happening. So that's probably the
hardest thing. When people first start getting into hockey. They
don't really understand what offside is. If they if they've
ever watched soccer, they might have an idea of offside,
But offside could be manipulated in soccer because I mean
it's just basically a bunch of hooligans and they're you know,
not to be trusted. But in hockey, that line basically
prevents you from you know, hanging out over down Hey, hey,
throw me the puck. I'm I'm all alone now, But
the puck has to go over that has to go
over that line before any of you guys do. And
the center line is basically where they where you center
izes where the game starts from or after a goal
is scored, where you drop the puck and you have
a face off and who you know, you try to
get the puck back to your guys. So that's basically
I pretty much just explained the hardest part of people
first watching hockey. They're like, Okay, why did the whistle blow. Well,
the person was offside. They went across the line before
the puck did. Buck has to go across the line.
It's more sportsmen like that. There's more sportsmanship according to it.
And that's another thing about hockey that I love is
is it's very It gets a bad rap for fighting,
but the fighting is essential to the game. And as
you had mentioned before we even started, we've seen a
lot of problems in hockey since they took since they
basically tried to try to eliminate fighting, because fighting was
really a way to police the police the other team.
If somebody was getting out of line, if somebody it
went after your best guy, or you know, a cheap
shot at one of your guys, you know, a fight
would be a good way to the enforcer would go
after that guy. Or you know, if a game needed
and this happened a lot back in the seventies, if
a game just needed a little more excitement, both teams
would throw their enforcer out there. Enforcers out there at
the same time, and they would just pick a fight
with each other and then you know, it was off
to the races. Especially before they started mandating helmets, it
was it was a lot more fun. And I would
argue hockey was a safer game before they started mandating
helmets because people took more care they knew the guys
were weren't wearing helmets. They weren't as they wouldn't be
as dirty, and they'd be a little more hesitant to
like really crash a guy into the board's head first
or something like that. And yeah, it's just it's always
been a gentleman's sport. Well, I mean, it's not always
been a gentleman's sport, but it's it's a more gentlemanly
sport because you can fight, you can take out your aggression,
and also it's mostly you know, real white bread kids.
Speaker 2: Planet eight questions.
Speaker 3: Well, I I there's that awful piece of commie ag
prop that Clinti's Wood directed of with the string Matt
Damon about the World Cup in South Africa for Rugby
World Cup, and one line that stuck with me from
that is that rugby was a a gentleman's game. Uh,
a thugs game played by gentlemen, and that soccer was.
Speaker 2: Vice first game played by hooligans, right.
Speaker 3: And it strikes me that hockey very much fits that
the a thugs game played by gentlemen sort of ethos
that you want in sports where that that there is
the competition, there is the violence. I mean, how fast
are these guys skating? Like twenty twenty five miles?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, Yeah, I mean twenty five miles
an hour is I would say a pretty quick player.
Some players, you know, a Pavel Burret was getting probably
up closer to thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then you car crash shapes speed. This is dangerous,
like if you hear oh yeah, it's insane. Yeah yeah.
You hit the board.
Speaker 1: You got you go into a board, the board's head first,
you know. I forget what the guy's name was who
it was a Boston college player kid, and he went
headfirst into the boards and paralyzed.
Speaker 3: A.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I was in the nineties. Oh, by
the way, you were mentioning the Seattle area. The Seattle
Metropolitans were the first American teams actually win the Stanley Cup.
They beat the Montreal Canadians in nineteen seventeen. Most people
don't even probably don't even know that there was a
Seattle Metropolitan this team, I had no idea. I had
no idea, and I might is the first I'm hearing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's actually a picture of them, and you can
imagine it's all a bunch of white kids, and most
half of them definitely looked German, that's for sure, right.
Speaker 3: And one interesting thing about hockey that I think it's
the only major sport where the season goes on hold
for the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Well, the season will go on hold for the Olympics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Mostly bec because the basketball is played during the summer
and that's when they're off. So yeah, and it's well,
what's interesting is for a while there pros played in
the in they allowed pros. I can't remember the year
that they allowed pros back in. I think it was
in the early two thousands. It was in the two
thousands of almost positive. Then they took them out, and
then this year they let them back in. It had
been a while since they had pros in the in
the game. So well, I just think it's cool that,
like because.
Speaker 3: I only know this because his name is the word
is it Domini Koshak, who's like check or kass Check.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, but like he was, you know, like maybe ten
years ago or something. I remember like reading about the
Winter Olympics and like he was playing for his country
in Winch Olympics, and so you get all like you
get really the best players from all over the world. Right,
but you know, what's what's the he's like one of
the best scorers in the league now Alexandrovtchkin.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's Russian, He's Russian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did he play like has he played for the
Russian teams in the Olympics. I'm I'm positive he did
during the ats. I don't know what is I don't
know his scoring record in the Olympics or anything like that,
but I'm I'm almost positive he would have.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, So you get like the Canadians, the Russians, the Scandinavians,
that European like you know, Western civilization effectively like plays hockey,
is what I'm saying, or like White civilization plays hockey.
And I don't know, like a you know, Australia and
New Zealand have hockey teams. It wouldn't surprise me if
they did. But right, it's the only it's the only
sport I can think of where I can look at
the teams and be like, I'd have those guys over
for a barbecue.
Speaker 2: They look at it.
Speaker 3: They're a good time right, Like you know, like where
I'm not just visually off put and not just because
like a racist, but like, what do I have in
common with like NBA players, You know, my life and
their life are completely different, you know, Baseball like not,
you know, just just nothing in common at all. Yeah,
And so hockey is this it's like, oh, these are
these look like guys that I wouldn't know and grown up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the hockey has gone through a lot of Like
first hockey, when I think when I was growing up
ninety it was ninety two percent of the league was Canadian.
Speaker 2: And the rest were basically American.
Speaker 1: Then the as the the Wall started to fall and
everything started falling apart in Eastern Europe, you started getting
more of the Eastern European players come over. And really
the last to come over we're the Russian players obviously.
So you know, hockey has gone through when it became
more of a world sport, that's when the league really
started to expand, where you started, you started seeing more
teams added. You know, there was I don't remember how
many years it was, but there was only six teams
in the NHL for a long time called the original
six was Montreal Toronto, it was Canadians, the Maple Leafs,
the Rangers, the black Hawks, the Red Wings, and who
am I leaving out Boston Boston Ruins. So there was
only six teams for a long time, and it was
pretty much because you know, well, how much is the
supply and demand, how many people are demanding to see
hockey and everything. And then once the game started to
get some in the sixties, it started to get popular,
especially after the United States States actually won the Olympic,
the Olympic gold medal in nineteen sixty I think that
was at Squaw Valley, and they started getting popular. And
then people had just started picking up. So you had
teams that were adding on, adding on, adding on. You
actually had a team in Cleveland at one point, and
a lot of teams moved that they had to find
their find their places to go to where you know,
you would find a crowd, which is why you know
the famous line from Basketball and Basketball the New Orleans
Jazz moved to Utah where they don't allow music. You
had all these teams that were had to change your
name games and move move around to find find their niche.
But you know, eventually, with more Americans starting to play
the game, especially after nineteen eighty, the Olympics in nineteen eighty,
you just the league just started to started to explode.
But then as soon as Eastern Europeans and Russians came in.
I mean, now you have teams in Florida. You have
two teams in Florida, so you know, mostly most of
the people going to those games are obviously people who
are from you know, retired to Florida, from New York
and on the West coast to the Midwest. Tampa is
more of a Midwest a lot of people from the Midwest,
where the East coast where you have Florida Panthers downen
Burroock County's mostly people from the Tri State area in
New England, up in New York. So yeah, I mean,
the game started to the game started to explode, and
you know, it's always been one of those games where
I remember when I was growing up, I can't remember
what the guy's name was, but I think there was
like one black guy in the league. And you know, honestly,
if there is a black guy in the league, he's
the whitest black guy you've you know, if there's a
guy playing hockey in the NHL and he's from Canada,
he's the whitest black gut you know.
Speaker 2: So what else do you want to know?
Speaker 3: Well, like if if you were to say, all right,
like heres, if you want to learn more about hockey,
like learn about like these six players or something and
watch these like go to YouTube and watch the like
the you know, the night Obviously there's the nineteen eighty
uh you know Silver Silver Metal Game or whatever where
the US beat the Russians.
Speaker 2: Uh, Like what what I know?
Speaker 3: Names like Brett Hole and uh Gwen Gretzky and like
Mario Lemieux because when I was a kid, those were
like the big three names and you could couldn't be
like into sports and not hear those three names. But
like one of their players, you.
Speaker 2: Know, like.
Speaker 3: Exercise and if if if Pete had to put together
his all time like best squad like goalie and wings
and defense.
Speaker 2: That's that's the three big terms, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna I'll be naming people know, when I've
ever my goalie would be some somebody most people had
never even heard of. Was Ken Dryden for the Montreal
Canadians played in the played in the seventies. I think
he actually joined the league late because he went to
law school or something like that. But Ken Dryden was,
I mean, he was just it was impossible to get
anything by him. But in like the modern era, I
mean Dominic Kaschek, Patrick Wah As far as goaltenders go,
I mean, these are guys who ye took their team
to championships. I mean, I don't want to say I
can name people, name goalies who you know, like won
the Stanley Cups, but they didn't, like they didn't carry
their team on their on their shoulders, you know. And
I'm not going to name a lot of current players
because after COVID, I just dropped out of watching pretty
much all sports. And I've only started watching hockey again
recently because you know, I needed just another a distraction
of some sort. And but so like, I don't know
if I had a goalie that I needed to you know,
we need to win a game, like one game. It's
kind of hard not to pick Domini Kashik, because the
guy would just the guy was doing a lot in
Buffalo with a team that I mean, he had some
good defense in front of him, but I mean there
were nights where he was carrying the team. Mike Richter
was another guy who like carried his team to the
Rangers hadn't won a Stanley Cup since like nineteen forty,
nineteen forty one, and Richter took them to the Stanley
Cup in ninety three. Was ninety four, I can't remember,
but it was nine three and ninety four. I think
ninety three was Montreal and the next year was the
the Rangers. So goalie, I mean Patrick Wa, Domini, Kashik,
these guys, Ken shriden.
Speaker 2: Mark.
Speaker 1: Someone's probably screaming. Martin Burdoor from the from the New
Jersey Devils.
Speaker 2: He had it.
Speaker 1: He was a great goaltender, but he also had a
great defense in front of him. Defenceman is I mean
this guy right here? How many how many defensemen are there?
Speaker 2: There's two?
Speaker 1: So there's two defensemen, okay, and usually you're going to
normally what you're gonna have is on the ice at
one time. You're gonna have one that's right handed. When
the shoots right handed, when the shoots left handed. When
the shoots right hand is going to play the right side.
The one the shoots left hand is going to play
the left side. There's just reasons. There's your you want
your you want the stick closest to the boards on
the side you are. That's the way it was always
explained to me growing up. Although I played, I shot
right handed, even though I'm normally if you're right handed,
you're supposed to shoot left handed, shoot left handed, but
I was. I'm kind of ambidextrous, so I shot right handed.
Speaker 2: But the.
Speaker 1: So here, let me let me share this guy. This
guy was played in the seventies when defenceman. When when
you talk about defenceman, he gets left out because he
played so long ago and he had a short career
because he played so hard, he got hurt a lot.
But this is Bobby Orr and he played for the
Bruins and before he came into the league. A defenceman
basically played defense. They when the other team, when the
other team was on the offense, he dropped back. And
defenceman's job is to make sure that the forwards don't
get an open shot, make sure to put body between
You're supposed to just get your body between them and
your goalie, and Bobby Or kind of changed that. Bobby
Or led the league in scoring as a defenseman, and
there was really nothing like him when he came along
to the point where I mean, like videos like this
are show how legendary he actually was. Where he is
a young kid, and he's making men who have been
playing the game, you know, twice as long as he
has just looks silly. So let me just run this video.
I have a I have a few videos that are
might be adventurous Shop no helmets too. This is back
when the when the game was just absolutely amazing.
Speaker 4: Ride by Park goes wide or long Shop almost behind.
That's all lie. But somehow, some way that went in
behind Ryde person.
Speaker 3: Like I did.
Speaker 2: There's no reason a defenseman is going in on a
goal on basically unchallenged. He should be back. He should
be back behind the forwards waiting for the puck, waiting
for the opposing team to pick the puck up and
bring it back down the ice. And Or was just
like now I'm gonna I'm gonna totally break that model
and just become completely offensive, and people just didn't. They
didn't know what to do with him.
Speaker 1: I mean it got to the point where they were
hurt some people. Some of the dirty players would try
to hurt him on purpose and actually succeeded.
Speaker 4: Breaks delate Paul, He's out to Walden, go aheads for
the net. Waldon callses firing this free Bob. Now watch
Bobby heading for the net. He's gonna turn and come
over to the right side, and just as Walton drives
the puck, there he turns. Now watch this backhander right
here at the top corner.
Speaker 2: How does he do it?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Or leaves on a hand down the other end and
here it comes free? Then back or fight behind the ad.
How's it looking in front? Wheels in front, locked on
the pass, has it again? Or cuts around a backhander stump.
Speaker 1: The craziest thing about that goal right there is that
it started with him behind the opposing net. So I
think a defenseman is not supposed to do when I
was when I was playing, If I was playing defense
and I ended up behind the other team's net, I
was going to be benched. You just don't do that
as a defenseman. You're like leaving you know, you might
have a forward drop back, I mean, you know, drop
back to cover for you. But a forward is not
going to be able to play his defense as well
as you as well as you do, especially at this
level in the end, I mean as in high school.
Yet maybe you know I will play defense as well
as you. At this level, no one's going to play
defen fense as well as a defenseman.
Speaker 4: Stops it behind the net for or or with goal there,
tries it on an empty net, throws around and it
and say score record.
Speaker 2: This is him.
Speaker 1: Just like at the end of the game if you
were if you're down by a goal within the last
two minutes of the game, you can pull your goaltender
out for an extra attacker so you can try and
score and tie the game. And but basically that just
leaves your goal wide open. So you know, Or had
this habit of being all the way on the other
end of the ice and being able to just pinpoint
shot all the way from the other end into the
into the net on the other on the on the
other end of the ice, And that takes some skill
for sure.
Speaker 3: Was he actually good at defense to or is he
just like this weird scoring machine who should have been
playing wing.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he was.
Speaker 1: He I think he won Defensive Player of the Year
six six times. Yeah, so so he could win defensive
Player of the Year and be the be the overall
have the most points scored in the season, which makes
no fucking sense whatsoever. I mean, that's why at the
time it was just this anomaly where people were just like,
what are we seeing here? We're seeing like history, we're
seeing something new. So he would have been your all
time defense. So there's two defense and once he got
Bobby or and who's who's the other guy? Then yeah,
unfortunately it's well, well not unfortunately. But if I was
going to pick a defenseman who liked to play alongside
or it would be another left handed shooter shooter, it
would be Scott Stevens from the from the New Jersey Devils.
The guy was just one of the most brutal son
of a bitches ever. Let me see if I can
find this here Scott Stevens, Eric Hitten Dross.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3: Hey, he's fucked and are.
Speaker 2: Trying to get out of the skating.
Speaker 4: Linross power down the Scott Stephens and Lin Ross remains
down on the ice chincushion.
Speaker 1: I mean that a lot of people say that pretty
much ended his career.
Speaker 2: Well, the other players come together.
Speaker 1: Stevens just had a freaking if somebody put their head
down and they were skating, they had the puck. You
didn't want to be here when it is it legal
to hit somebody when they have the puck. You're only
allowed to check somebody when they have the pucked.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So you can't just like like take take
some little guy who's up skating up front and like like, hey,
you should be the puck, should be the puck who's small,
and then just have one of your biggest guys like
running into boards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you have to. The rule is you have
the person has to be has to have the puck.
But you know, sometimes referees don't see everything. So together,
this hit legendary and.
Speaker 4: This is the worst case scenario here.
Speaker 3: For this hit for Eric Lindross.
Speaker 2: Stevens.
Speaker 1: Lindross was a total prick. By the way, there weren't
I think the only people who were upset at this
point were Philadelphia flywer fans. But this pretty much ended
his career. I mean, he kept having he had multiple
more concussions after this, and he just had to quit
at a very young age because he I mean, he
was looking at brain damage. Stevens came across like he
is done in.
Speaker 3: The plea, and he swung.
Speaker 4: You with your.
Speaker 2: He's coming.
Speaker 1: Three beat sneeder Meyer head is down and it's a
shoulder right to the jaw of blind Ross.
Speaker 4: And he has no clue this is coming.
Speaker 2: This is a freight train. I look how fast he's going.
A freight train, and it is a wicked hit ra
even that's even, I mean even slow motion looks up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no clue this is coming.
Speaker 4: This is a freight train coming.
Speaker 2: His ways like trade and it is a wicked.
Speaker 3: In car accidents, right, if you get in a head
on car accident, it's the speed of say car one
is going thirty miles an hour and car DO two
is going thirty miles an hours. Recording into a brick
wall at seventy miles an hour.
Speaker 2: Yep. If both those.
Speaker 3: Guys are doing twenty to twenty five miles an hour, yep,
that's that's like hitting a brick wall at forty five
miles an hour with those he built. Oh yeah, oh
it's that's bad, bad, I've taken some monster hits, man,
and it's and I've I've delivered some monster hits and yeah,
and me if it doesn't hurt you, like to the
point where you're like, okay, I'm you know, I might
need to see the trainer.
Speaker 1: It takes everything right out of you and you have
to get off the ice and it's hard to get
up from a hit like that and like get back
into your get back into your groove, get back you know,
start skating again.
Speaker 2: You need you need some time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's just it's a brutal game. It's
it's another thing I love about the game though. It's
a brutal game. And you can really hit some uh
you can, you can really do some damage. But I mean,
I don't it's hard to know what Scott Stevens, what
his motives were there, But here's some I think it's
Scott Stevens's greatest.
Speaker 3: Its holy shit, you know, can just flip over, yeah,
hip check.
Speaker 2: He just did a full like yeah, he just did
a full like two seven in the air.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, boom body.
Speaker 2: So we're enforcers generally defenseman.
Speaker 3: Oh what so the role on the team of enforcer.
We talked a little bit about it was that usually
fulfilled by a defenseman.
Speaker 2: Or not normally.
Speaker 1: Not normally it was like a fourth line wing, you know,
like right wing or left winger, somebody who wasn't going
to get a lot of ice time. He would just
be out there at certain times, you know, like you
know if if one of your best players, if one
of your best players got got a cheap shot or something,
he'd go out there and and instigate with that person.
Oh okay, so but yeah, so just those.
Speaker 3: Two get hard as part of their duties, but not
necessarily fight.
Speaker 2: As prolific game that makes correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, those would be my two defensemen would
be Bobby orr and And and Scott Stevens just because
they would compliment each other well, because one one would
have the ability to play defense and be insanely offensive,
and then you'd have another guy who was a really
good defenseman who could just deliver brutal hits. And I
mean that's what hockey's about. Hockey's about, you know, letting
people you know, you know, leveling people you know, and
that's you know, really the fun part of it. So my, well,
then I guess we'd have to go to we'd have
to go to center and center. It's so hard. There's
been so many great centers of center is based like
quarterback on the ice, your left wing, your left wing,
your right wing. These are forwards obviously ones of me
on the left, ones and me on the right. They're
going to attack on their side into the into the zone.
When they come back to play defense, they're going to
be playing defense more forward in the zone, like up
near where the defenceman come up into the into the
zone and hang back. But the center is somebody who
can go basically can go anywhere. He takes the face
offs and then he is so if a puck goes
into the corner and he can go in and help
the help the winger and whatever, would they typically be
the fastest skaters, not necessarily no puck handlers. Would they
be the guys that they would be the guys who
could probably handle the pucket better than anyone else. Okay,
So you know, like the reason why the Edmondson oilers
of the of the eighties were so dominant was they
had two dominant centers. They had Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier,
And these were guys who were magic with the puck,
and they had great wingers playing them, Gretzky. Gretzky famously
had Yari Curry, who was a Finn. Pretty sure he
was a Finn. And then forget who is whose other
winger was?
Speaker 2: I know, no, sorely.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. But like when when Gretzky left Edmondson
and went to l A, like Curry followed him, like
like the line, just like that, that duo went went
with them, went went to l A together. So if
I say Gretzky is the greatest center of all time,
I mean, it's so obvious. Now you can make the
arguments can be made that what's his name? You just
mentioned him the Russian from Yeah, Vechkin Alexander a Vegan.
Speaker 3: And the only reason I know that name is that
when the Capitals won the Cup, I happened to be
in Washington, d C. At the time on like a
tourist thing and caught like a chunk of their parade,
and so I was like that was really cool. Well,
I mean he's he's considered really a left winger. I mean,
if if you're going to consider him a left winger,
and I know he's played center before then, he's going
to be the great. He'll be the top left winger
of all time. I mean he's the top goal scorer.
He beat Gretzki's eight hundred and ninety two career goals,
which no one ever thought was going to have. Now
he's not going to beat Gretzky's total points because I
think Gretzky had twice as many assists as he did goals.
And at one point, what's what's the distinction between goals
and assists, our goals and points? Is you the puff
you're sticking. An assist is credited to the last two
players to get you that puck. So if you if
the three forwards come across the line, say you have
Gretsky in the center, Yarry Curry, I think are he
played well actually even though he was right handed, And
say McSorley was out there just to play, just to
make sure no one fucked with Gretzky. If they came
across the line and McSorley passed it to Curry, and
Curry passed it to Gretzky and Gretzky scored, Gretzky would
get a goal, Curry and McSorley would get assists, okay.
Speaker 2: And then in your points are your assists plus your goals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're yeah, so your points are assisting goals
and the so say Yari Curry went into say the
opposing team had the had the puck, and Curry went
into the zone to go after try and take the
puck away from him, and he did. He took it
away from an opposing player and passed it to Gretzky,
and Gretzky scored. Then only Curry would get an assist
because he is the only player. He took it from
the opposing team and put it, you know, put it
on uh, put it on Gretzky's stick. Now, if Curry
went in and took it from an opposing player and
just took it from the opposed player and scored on
his own, then that that would be scored as a
goal for Curry unassisted. No one would have an assist
on it because none of the players on his team
touched it before passed the puck to him or touching it.
Speaker 2: That makes sense for him.
Speaker 3: And then so you've got Vashkin on the left, Gretzky
the center, who's who's playing right wing.
Speaker 1: Then it had it's going to be somebody that a
lot of people have never heard of. Mike Bossi from
the from the New York Islanders in the late seventies
early eighties. The Islanders won the Stanley Cup four years
in a row from I think it was eighty to
eighty four, and Bossi was just he was just one
of those middle sized Canadian guys who could just do
do so much with the puck and just had a
a knack for putting it, for putting it in the net.
So let's see, let me, let me get his stats.
He was six You know, he's a guy. He was
a guy from Montreal, six ft six foot tall. Oh
he died in twenty twenty two. I didn't know that.
Oh wow, at the age of sixty five. Damn six
foot tall, one hundred and eighty five pounds.
Speaker 3: Um.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the second of five players to score
fifty goals in fifty games. I mean, this is this
guy was a complete beast who just knew knew how
to find the back.
Speaker 2: Of the net.
Speaker 3: And I'm looking for his career statistics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: He had five hundred and seventy three career goals and
seven hundred and fifty two games and he had, So
he played seven hundred and fifty two games and five
hundred and seventy three goals, five hundred and fifty three assists,
eleven hundred and twenty seven goal points in seven hundred
and fifty two games. So he he averaged over a
point in game. That's the guy that's a lot, isn't it.
The guy had the guy who was a fucking monster.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So, like soccer is typically a relatively low
scoring game, right, Like you know, lots of lots of
games that are two to one or three two or whatever. Right,
is a tip of a hockey hockey.
Speaker 2: Game like more like like a soccer game.
Speaker 3: Or you're like five goals is like what's like if
you had to like guess like the score like total
like five points, Like is it like three to two?
Speaker 1: Well, it just depends on the team, you know, if
you have like so the New Jersey Devils of the
nineties it had Martin Broder as a goalie and Scott
Stevens as their defenseman. When they were they had a
system where if you tried to bring if you tried
to bring the puck through through center ice, they had
a system where they would just stop you where it
would just basically line up, line the team up across
and just wouldn't give you a chance to get through.
It's called the trap. It'll win you games, it won't
win you fans. I used to have seasons I guess
the Florida Panthers, and whenever the Devils came, I never
went to the game because I knew it was gonna
be boring. I knew it was going to be a
two to one game or something like that. But if
you had, like if like Colorado that had Joe Sakkeek
and Peter Fors and Chris Drury and guys like that,
that could you know, five three game something like that,
you weren't getting.
Speaker 2: You're it's very rare.
Speaker 1: You're going to get like games with more than six
or seven goals on one team, mostly because you don't
want to score ten goals on a team because you're
going to have to play them again and they're going
to remember that ship and they're going to try and
shove it up your ass next time they play you,
and you might have the toughest game of the year.
There might be a lot of penalties in that game,
and it might be a little dirty because you just
don't do that to people. It's it's unseemly. You just
it's considered rude. Let's just put it that way.
Speaker 3: In a lot of so like, yeah, if it was
five to six, that would be like, okay, close game,
everyone's But if it's like if you's like six to two,
you know, then people two's.
Speaker 1: Fine, six too is fine. I mean they'll they'll be
they'll be but hurt a little bit. But if you're
if your goalie is just like completely porous and Swiss
cheese that night, and you you decide you want to
score eleven goals and they score one or two, okay,
that next game, you're you might want to set that
next game out because you can get ugly depend depend
They may they may even do the old school, the
old school thing where if they don't have an enforcer
that they really think can handle the job, they'll call
someone up from the miners who can just for like
one game, to go out there and just wreak havoc
on your ass.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there there's a little.
Speaker 1: Bit of a street street justice that goes goes on there,
and it's not really street justice.
Speaker 2: It's more like.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you're you're you shouldn't have done that.
There's just it's rude.
Speaker 3: I mean just I guess the best way to say
is rude.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that makes sense, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
you're a lot of these guys. You grew up with
a lot of these guys. If you're the same age,
you may be playing against each other since you're like
nine or ten years old, especially if you're from Canada
and you're playing in junior systems where they have I
mean they have.
Speaker 2: Okay, explain it, because what does junior systems mean?
Speaker 1: Okay, so they have junior hockey in Canada and somebody
who's Canadian is gonna they're gonna be real pissed off
at me because I'm not completely familiar with the junior system.
Speaker 2: But the.
Speaker 1: Like Bobby Or, So when Bobby or was thirteen years old,
he was he was taken. Basically, he left his family
to go play hockey, and the junior leagues were basically
like a the build up to the minor league where
you would where well, I mean it's really where you're
going to cut your teeth, where people are going to
see you, so you can get drafted into the NHL,
and some of these, some of these you could actually get.
You got paid, you got housing, and you got you know,
you you're being trained. A lot of a lot of
the coaches and a lot of the trainers were former
NHL ers. It's basically like a farm system for for hockey.
I don't know what it's like now, but back then
it was definitely like pretty much anyone who came up
it went into the NHL, who was from Canada, played
in the played junior.
Speaker 2: Hockey, and so basically.
Speaker 3: Like for American sports, right like typically you'll play in
high school and then to play in college one or
two years, and then you'll get drafted into the UH,
NBA or an a L or not an NHL, MLB,
into uh the NFL. And then in baseball, right you
graduate high school and you might get drafted by a
major league team. You might play college ball, but you
can do one or one of those, like you'll do
some time in the minors and then a couple of
years maybe if you're really talented, and then and then
get your shot in the in the big leagues like
it is junior hockey like like hockey high school and
then once you're done with high school pretty much.
Speaker 1: You're it's a system to get you ready for the NHL.
Then you get drafted, and if you get drafted, I mean,
if you get drafted, like I'm pretty sure, like BOSSI
was drafted fifteenth overall. He went. He went right to
the I don't think he played any let me see,
I don't think he played any any minor league hockey. Yeah,
he played. He from nineteen seventy two to nineteen seventy seven.
He played for Laval National of the Quebec I think
it's Quebec Maritimes Junior Hockey League, which is a let
me describe it, one of three major junior hockey leagues.
They constitute the Canadian Hockey League alongside the Ontario Hockey
League and Western Hockey League, and the basically most of
the teams. Yeah, it's just basically it's it would be
our version of like baseball playing playing in high school
and getting drafted out of high school, and the same
thing for football football getting drafted out of college. So
but the thing is is that the one difference is
is that you can you can start playing in depending
on how good you are, you can start playing in
the junior leagues at a very young age. Like I said,
Bobby or was playing in the junior leagues at thirteen.
So you know, they have a they have a system
up there.
Speaker 2: They've changed the rules.
Speaker 3: I'm of an age where like Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett,
I drafted the NBA like right around high school, like
right after. I like, these guys the same a giant.
What are they doing to play in the NBA? Right
with American football? Right like, you just can't take an
eighteen year old kid and go have him throw them
into the NFL because he'll get killed.
Speaker 2: Right. They needed that extra time to just get bigger,
just so that they don't die. Uh, you know.
Speaker 1: It was I think you have to be three years
You have to be three years out of out of
high school in order to be drafted in the NFL.
I don't know if that's the same, if it's the
same now. And in basketball for a long time it
was one year. Yeah, you can be one year out
of high school. And Lebron changed that to the point
where there were I remember reading articles around the time
like Lebron was coming out where they they wanted to
draft him as a junior in high school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was so good so early.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so not my cup of tea, but I have
to admit he was.
Speaker 2: He's frequency talented.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoy playing basketball more than I more than
I do watch watching basketball.
Speaker 2: We played uh yeah, well yeah that way with a
lot of sports.
Speaker 3: Uh so yeah, you mentioned okay, so there's six guys
on the squad, right, three three guys in the wing,
a goalie and two defenseman. Three forwards, two defensemen and
a goalie. Yep, okay, so six six guys on a squad.
And you said something about lines, what is that?
Speaker 1: So okay, so you're going to have most teams are
going to have three lines, so you're going to have
you have three forwards, so you'll have nine forwards. You'll
have three lines of three different guys. So you can
swap out. Because one thing that most people don't realize
about hockey is and I remember like talking about talking
to someone and being like you get out there after
about usually thirty five to forty seconds of going balls out,
you're out of gas.
Speaker 2: You have to you have to change.
Speaker 1: You know you need to change, and you know, you
hop over the boards and then say I played left
wing a lot the left winger on whatever whatever line
the coach called to go out next. There's always a
first line, of second line, the third line. You know
who that is at the beginning of the game. And
so if I'm coming in, if I'm on the ice
and I'm like, I'm I'm gassed, I need, I need,
I need to rest, He's gonna call second line. You know,
if I'm playing first line, he's gonna be called the
second or third line, left wing, and then that person
will jump out and will will replace me. But usually
when I jumping out, you want to get my center,
and the coach will start screaming for the center on
my line and the right wing around my line to
hop out too, so that you can get the other
two guys out there who have been playing together, who
are used to playing together on the ice. To each
line is something where you're going to be practicing together.
You're going to get to know, You're you're gonna get
you know, you're gonnat to know where your guys going.
You know, if I have the puck in the corner,
I knew where Chrispy was going. I knew he was
going to the you know, he was going to go
to the top of the circle or something like that
for a slap shot, and I had to set him
up for a one time or just feed it in
to throw it in front of the net and hopefully,
you know, he could tip it in or something like that. Okay,
so you're you have three lines, and there are many
cases where there are fourth lines, but the fourth line
is usually your least talented players. You may put them
out there only if like your three, your first three
lines are completely gassed and they need a little you know,
whatever line you want to put out next needs so
like it's some extras in.
Speaker 3: A typical NHL game, Say you start start the game
starts with the first line on both sides. How long
are those guys playing before they get swapped out? Five minutes,
ten minutes, it's.
Speaker 1: Forty seconds. Yeah, wow, you cannot stay on the ice.
I was talking to a marathon runner and he had
picked up hockey later in life. I think he started
playing hockey and it was like twenty two, and he
started playing in men's leagues in South Florida when he
was twenty two, and we were you know, I told them,
I've been pretty much been playing my whole life, and
everything and and he we started talking. He's like and
he's like, yeah, you know, I've I've run marathons for
you know, since I was like, you know, since I
was like fifteen something like that. So you've been running marathons,
you know, twenty six miles, twenty six point two miles
for seven years. I said, oh, that must really help
with your wins. He's like, are you crazy? He goes,
there's no correlation. Is I'm out there for forty seconds
forty five seconds, and I need I need to get
off the ice. I mean it gases you, especially if
you're hitting, especially if you're if you're getting hit and
you're hitting, I mean you go out there and it
is balls fucking out for forty to four.
Speaker 2: Spring seconds, which is like full on sprinting.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then you have to get off the ice. Now,
a defenceman can have if you're a forward, you're gonna
have shorter shifts. You can have defensemen who can stay
out there for a while because if they're true defenseman
and they're not puck rushing defenseman like Bobby Orr, you
can hang back and you can actually if your team
is if you're hanging out at the at the line
while your team is in the offense is in the
offense zone, and your wingers and your if your forwards
are up there and they're trying, you can you can
actually get them get a breather as a defenseman. But
a defenseman usually isn't going to last longer than a minute,
a minute, fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2: So games are what an hour and they're three twenty
minute periods or.
Speaker 1: Three twenty minute yeah, three twenty minute periods.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So so the reason the hockey game looks like total
chaos is because it's an hour of every once a
minute like a line getting changed out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, so yeah you're gonna have you're just
fifty line changes in a game. Oh yeah, yeah. Where
I couldn't follow it like this makes no sense?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, people just jumping over, you know, jumping over
the boards left and right, you know, swapping out, switching out,
I mean it is it's okay. The best way I
heard it was control chaos.
Speaker 3: That makes complete sense as to why I couldn't follow it.
First of all, because the puck is very small, moving
very fast, and very hard to follow from a television.
But and then just like it just looks like a
mad house out there, because apparently it's a madhouse like that.
That makes total sense. Why I couldn't follow the game
is I had no idea that like a shift was
thirty seconds long. I mean it's also it's completed insanity.
Sometimes where that puck that's galvanized rubber, it's hard as fuck, man,
I don't know how many times have been hit in
the face with it. I mean it's you know, I mean, well,
there's a reason those guys are almost in teeth, Like, well, yeah,
everybody thinks it's because of fighting.
Speaker 2: It's not because of fighting, because you.
Speaker 3: Got hit in the face and galvanized piece of rubber
moves it. What fifty miles an hour?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Oh god. Some there are guys like I
can't remember what the.
Speaker 1: Name of the the defenseman for the Bruins. I was
like Xeno char Uh yeah, like a hundred, Like sometimes
you get up to like one hundred and four miles
an hour slap shot. Oh yeah, Oh, I mean you
talk about fractured cheekbones, fractured orbitals if that catches you, right, Yeah,
most people are missing, like I'm missing the teeth. I
lost my teeth because somebody I was playing with somebody
who wasn't as fucking good as I was, and completely
lost control on their skates. Their their feet went out
from under them and they just their hands went backwards
and their stick just like they lost control of their stick.
I just took a stick in the mouth and like
I get popped. I taste the blood. I put my
tongue on my teeth, and I'm like, well, I don't
have those anymore, fucking like I was thirteen years old.
Speaker 2: Ow. Yeah, well, and I mean because they hang out
with racists on the internet.
Speaker 3: There's that one game in England where that Negro guy
like legit killed that other dude with the skate that
you should have been should have been in prison for
life for that. But you know, you got guys moving
at twenty five thirty miles an hour with raisin waves
on their feet, carrying like I don't know what they're
made out of, but like sticks and this puck moving
at one hundred miles an hour or you know, probably eighty,
Like I imagine everybody's slapshots in the eighties, like that's
that's a dangerous environment. And then you've got the you know,
every sixty seconds, somebody you know, guys moving on and
off the ice like it's that's nuts.
Speaker 2: The stick.
Speaker 1: You know, there were some problems with the stick for
a while. So originally the stick was wood with you know,
with fiberglass cover, especially on the blade, reinforced with fiberglass
in the blade. Those those sticks break very easily, break
them all the time. The blades would just pop off.
Then someone got the idea that they were going to
make the sticks like one piece fiber glass all the way.
Then someone got the bright idea of well, you know,
so people are sick and tired of buying new sticks
all the time. You got to buy a whole new stick.
Let's have a metal shaft all the way down to
the blade and then you can just change the blade.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: One of the problems with that is is that first
of all metal, You don't want people on a hockey
rink with having a metal basically a metal bar. I
remember one player, I can't remember who it was, it
was someone on Tampa and he got slashed in the
hand with somebody from someone who had one of those
metal metal frames.
Speaker 2: What is slashing police slashing is you take you take
the stick two.
Speaker 1: Handed and you basically it sounds like it sounds like
what it is. You slash someone with the stick, either
in their assault basically assault with the stick. But slashing
is the the penalty. This is the two minute penalty
if you get caught doing it. So he slashes the
guy in the hand, and because he had a metal
because he had one of these metal frame sticks. He
takes his glove off and his fucking pinky is hanging,
like literally like it's like freaking dislocated and like his pinky,
he's got a compound fracture and his pinky is hanging.
So I don't know if they use those metal sticks anymore.
I hope they don't. I don't think they do.
Speaker 2: But the you know wood, The good thing about wood
is it would break.
Speaker 1: I mean, you you hit someone with a wooden stick,
there's a good chance if they have good equipment or
just hit the equipment and brake and you know, won't
do too much damage. But that's just as an aside.
But yeah, the violence of the game, slashing is a
penalty two minutes. If it's gross, if it's if it's
a if they consider it to be a you know,
a beyond the pale kind of slash, you can get
four minutes. If it's really fucking horrible, you get five minutes.
Or a game misconduct, get kicked after the game, you're
possibly a suspension. Elbowing. Can't hit someone with an elbow.
That's two minutes, could could turn into five or something
like that.
Speaker 2: Tripping.
Speaker 1: Tripping is the most obvious one, because tripping would be
the most obvious thing you'd want to do. If someone's
like skating by you, you take the blade of your stick,
put it right into their skates and just give it
a yank. I mean, they're, like you said, they're skating.
You're skating on razor blades. It's just very easy to fall.
Or you put your stick. You could put your stick
right between their legs. You don't even have to have
a pulling. You don't even have to use any force.
You just stick it between their legs. Someone's legs and
it caused them to fall.
Speaker 2: Get beat up so bad? Holy cow? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean you, I mean you get you
get brutalized out there.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: It really depends. It depends how. I don't know what
the I don't really know what the game is like anymore.
I don't know how I know, like in basketball, you
can't even like touch anybody anymore.
Speaker 2: From what I understand, people like you can't.
Speaker 3: Igine the whole, like like just elbowing people in the face.
Speaker 2: That used to happen in the eighties and nineties not
happening anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how. I don't know what what's hot,
what hockey is like. Like I said, I haven't I've
watched some games and that I've mostly watched playoff games,
and during the playoffs they tend to let things go
a little more. You know, they don't want the you know,
you don't want a playoff game decided by a penalty.
Where By the way, here's something else. Say I'm out
there and I elbows somebody and I get a two
minute penalty. I go to the penalty box for two minutes,
and now my team is shorthanded. My team only has
four guys and the goalie on the ice, and the
other team has five guys and their goalie on the ice.
So that's a huge advantage.
Speaker 3: Okay, So they can't uh just swap out like if
you were the left wing, they could just swap on
another left wing guy while you're in the penalty box.
Speaker 2: Nope, nope, you got to play with it.
Speaker 1: You got to play play one man down and that's
the other that's what they called. The other team has
a power play and you're playing shorthanded, and if they
if the other team scores within that two minutes, you
come out of the penalty box. So if they score,
your penalty is not negated, but you're you don't have
to stay in the penalty box. Now, if it's like
a major, like they decided that you elbowed somebody and
you were trying to like really hurt them, and you
got a five minute major, then you'd be down for
five minutes and they could score as much as they wanted.
You're a goal wouldn't take you out of the penalty box,
but for a two minute a two minute penalty, if
they scored within ten seconds, you're right back out.
Speaker 2: You're right back out.
Speaker 1: And probably on the bench because the coach is gonna
be fucking pissed at you for you know, for taking
a penalty and the other team scoring. So hockey, uh,
fighting is normally five minutes. Both both guys will get
five minutes, and that'll just negate, it'll negate each other
I mean sometimes there are some there are sometimes where
you it won't be four on four, where it'll be
five on five, but there's sometimes it'll be four on four.
I've never really understood the fucking rule behind that, but
the so, yeah, so fighting is is five minutes, and
most penalties are going to be two minutes.
Speaker 3: So like there's like seventeen games in an NFL season
or something like that, eighty two games in an NBA season,
something like one hundred and fifty games in a baseball season.
How many games in an NHL season eighty two same
as the NBA. Okay, yeah, So if you have season tickets,
and you have full season tickets and not like a
half season, you have tickets to forty one games, and
if you make each one of.
Speaker 2: Them, you don't have a life. That's a lot. Believe.
Speaker 1: I've had full I've had full season tickets, and I
always end up I always end up giving them away
to people because like I just can't make every game,
or you know, like the one year we had season
tickets to the Panthers and they won nine home games.
Speaker 2: So I take us to four he won games and
they won nine home games. Ouch.
Speaker 1: That's that's where you're just going to the games to
drink and be belligerent.
Speaker 3: I mean that three could be belligerent, just kind of
at the European pastime. So I guess that that.
Speaker 2: I I think that.
Speaker 3: I don't know what what tickets are costing these days,
but I know it's like much more reasonable, god uh
than other major sports like that the NBA and n
H and NFL tickets are just insane.
Speaker 2: Let me you know, so let me say.
Speaker 1: Tenth of Panthers, So Ottawa, see they're playing Ottawa at home.
Two tickets, So yeah, in the upper in the upper
rows for the Florida Panthers, who are having a horrible
season even though they're Stanley Cup champions. Twenty nine bucks,
twenty nine dollars a ticket, that's reasonably yeah, up in
the nis bleeds.
Speaker 2: But well yeah, but if you're.
Speaker 3: Like taking a kid to a sporting event, like yeah,
you know, the same ticket at like the where the
Florida Panthers play out.
Speaker 1: Of Briard County, Florida. Okay, I think real area. Where's
the like big nearest NFL team, Miami, Miami Dolphins. Okay, yeah,
like compare that to it like in those wee Miami
Dolphins seat. I mean they only they only play what
eighteen games or sixteen games, so yeah, it's gonna be
so like if you wanted like rows row one, well no,
not row one. So I'm looking at row twelve down
by the ice, so you're twelve rows off the ice
for the Florida Panthers in the corner. It's seventy seventy
five dollars apiece, which I mean is kind.
Speaker 2: Of not bad.
Speaker 1: Although although oh no, that's two hundred and twenty two
dollars each. That's not good. But yeah, this one, no,
this one's seventy six dollars apiece. Yeah, that's not bad.
If if you want to get really close to the ice,
you're gonna have to pay. But this one's only twelve
rows off the ice, and and it's seventy six dollars apiece,
which isn't bad at all.
Speaker 2: Actually, like as a.
Speaker 3: Light out with the miss or something, Spending one hundred
and fifty dollars on an event like opera tickets are
going to cost you that in a much yeah right,
I mean symphony tickets are going to cost that much.
Yeah right, you know, graduation president for a nephew or something.
I'm gonna take you to an NHL game. You know
that'd be kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's it's a good game. It's a better game to
see like live. I always tell people if they want
to get into hockey, go see a game live before
you start watching on TV. You'll enjoy it more on
TV after you see it live.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've tried to watch it on TV a few times,
and it's just it's incomprehensible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard. They it's hard to follow, to follow
the pup for a lot of people. And plus if
you don't really know the game a lot, it's gonna
be uh, it could be, it could be confusing. But
the so what else is there? I don't know.
Speaker 2: You can keep asking questions and I don't like.
Speaker 3: Uh again, explain this to me like I'm a five
year old rechard? What what other?
Speaker 2: I mean? There's original six teams? Is what like thirty teams? Now? Oh? God? Yeah?
How many teams are there? Now?
Speaker 3: It's I know about the SAT cracking, I know about
Las Vegas Golden Knights.
Speaker 2: There isn't there a team in Utah? There might be.
I have no idea let me see.
Speaker 3: Standing, let's see three six okay, Division eighty.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's sixteen in the east and thirty two.
You know, there's a sixteen in the west of the
thirty two team is total okay, Yeah, the Seattle Kracking,
Vegas Golden Knights.
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 1: I mean these are teams that didn't even exist when
I when I started watching, so like the teams that
existed when I started watching hockey. The Buffalo Sabers, Montreal Canadians,
Boston Bruins, Troit Red one Is, Toronto Maple Leafs, Islanders,
Pittsburgh Penguins, Philadelphia Flyers, Washington Capitals. Yeah, there's a team
called the Utah is a team called the Mammoth, the
Winnipeg Jets who went away for a while and then
came back. Saint Louis Blue Chicago Blackhawks. Edmunds is New.
Speaker 3: York's only team with two hockey teams.
Speaker 1: Well, let's see, New York has the Islanders and the Rangers.
But then right over that you have the New Jersey Devils,
which are is where they play? Is I mean not
a far drive from where the Rangers actually play. Who
else is there? So?
Speaker 2: And then Boston is one of the first six, right.
Speaker 1: Boston didn't know Boston doesn't No, Yeah, I think Los
Angeles and Los Angeles Kings and Anaheim Anaheim Ducks, Okay,
they would, that would be the same, same neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Okay, so not a lot of double up teams. And
then no, Florida.
Speaker 1: You have you have the Panthers and you have the Lightning,
but there are four hour drive away from each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Florida's large, most people.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculously large. It takes forever to drive from one
end to the other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you were to go to from Miami.
Speaker 3: To yeah, tallahasses Ship, that's a long well, that's I mean,
are there any any other big cities in the Panhandle
that are closer to the Alabama line? I can't really
think of an evening, But it's like a fifteen hour drive,
isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all. That's a long fucking draw. That's that's
longer than actually going from Miami to It's where I
live in Alabama.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thirty two teams, I don't I think there were. Okay,
so when I started watching hockey, there were twenty one
and sixteen teams made the playoffs, so there was only
five teams that didn't make the playoffs. That always seemed
kind of weird to me. But then you had the WHA,
which was the World which was the World Hockey Association,
which was out of Canada, and that brought a bunch
of other teams into the league.
Speaker 3: Like who was it? Definitely the Edmonton Oilers, Definitely.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Calgary Flames. Yeah, well, actually Calgary used to be Atlanta.
Atlanta had a hockey team. Well Atlanta's tried to have
a hockey team a couple of times and it didn't
work out. They had the imagine my shock that Atlanta Yeah,
well yeah, Atlanta Flames, which I mean, you want to
talk about, fuck you names for Atlanta for an Atlanta team.
And then they had the Atlanta Thrashers for a while
and that didn't work out. I forget what the Atlanta
Thrashers became. They might have be became Winnipeg. I can't remember.
The National Ditors didn't exist when I was a kid,
and the Dallas Stars didn't exist. The Dallas Stars were
the Minnesota The Dallas Stars were the Minnesota North where
the Minnesota North Stars, and now it's the Minnesota they
have the Minnesota Wild. So the hockey team left in Minnesota.
And then Minnesota is like, hey, you know, we're like
one of the hockey capitals of America.
Speaker 2: We need a fucking team here.
Speaker 3: No, Minnesota is like what most of the guys who
played in the eighty Olympics were, uh, either Minnesota, Minnesota
and Boston. Right, like hockey Minnesota was gone. It's in Michigan,
maybe a little bit Illinois, and then like New England
and New York.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 1: There's a great line from the movie Miracle, the one
where Kurt Russell plays herb Brooks the Yeah, that's a
great movie story of the nineteen eighty and one of
the guys goes, oh, you got a bunch of guys
from Minnesota and Boston. Yeah, that's gonna work out really well.
You know those guys hated each other.
Speaker 3: But well, how often is the Frozen four like the
Minnesota Golden Gophers, the Boston College I forget what the
named team, and you know, like it's like BC, uh, Minnesota,
the Wisconsin Badgers, and then like some team in.
Speaker 1: Colorado, Yeah, the university like everyone sawhile the University of
Colorado sneaks in there too, right, but.
Speaker 3: Like and even those guys like like like you know,
the it's march baddest. I think right now I hardly
pay attention to college basketball anymore. But like when I
did pay attention to college basketball, like you could be
ritually guaranteed that, like the guys who played really well
in the tournament would be in the NBA next year, right,
and some of them would be big time players. And
you know the Frozen four hockey tournaments, right, Like the
really good guys their age were already playing in the
NHL and on the farm system, you know.
Speaker 1: So yep, most of the guys who played on the
nineteen eighty Olympic team did not make it in the NHL.
They were they were basically career like college players.
Speaker 2: You know. Even the goalie Jim Craig.
Speaker 1: Jim Craig played for Atlanta and played, but he didn't
really have a he didn't have an NHL career. I
think Mark Pavlich. Mark Pavlich played played a decent at
There were not many guys. I think there were only
three or four guys who actually had like really prosperous
careers in the in the NHL. I mean it's nineteen eighty.
Remember it's still in nineteen eighty. The like ninety percent
of the guy who's in the NHL are Canadian, so
right home, Well.
Speaker 3: Well, they had a national system to you know, like
you don't produce. I mean like if you go to
like Canadian hockey players on Wikipedia, right, the list is
as long as my arm. It's just the national sport
in Canada and you don't produce. It was Mario Lemu comedian.
Oh yeah, I mean Lemieux right, So he knew he's
cap waw right, and uh, because because when I was
growing up, like the three best players were uh in
the nineties were like Dwayne Gretzky was on the tail
end of his career, but he was still you know,
he was known as the great one for a reason. Uh,
And Mario Lemieu was like an up and coming kid.
And uh, Brett Hall right, like he was on Dallas.
I want to say, yeah, Brett Hall was, isn't he Canadian?
Speaker 2: Too? Well, here's a funny story about that.
Speaker 1: So he talked about it in nineteen ninety six when
they had the World Cup of Hockey and it was
before the season started and NHL players played in it.
It was, you know, a bunch of guys playing for
their home countries. Brett Hull, his dad was Canadian Bobby Hall,
Hockey Hall of Famer, but Bobby married an American and
Brett Hull wanted to play for Team Canada. I think
in nineteen eighty six. I can't remember the name of
the coach for Team candidate though, but he like told said,
I don't like the kid, I don't want him on
the team. And Brett Hull I got a chip on
his shoulder and He's like, fuck you. Then I'm gonna
I'm going to use my American I'm gonna use my
American citizen citizenship to play for the USA. And I
mean thank god he did, because in the nineteen they
wouldn't have won the World Cup in nineteen ninety six
if if if that Okay, So the Canadian coach had
an insulted Brett Hull.
Speaker 3: So so they won the nineties because Brett Hull was
a joint US America Canadian American. Okay, So right, Like
the three best players in the nineties all Canadian, pretty much,
yeah yeah, yeah, And I mean well one one was
half Canadian. Okay, Well, but but his dad was also
one of the greatest hockey players of all time, because
even I know the name Bobby hull yep, right, Like
that's that's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean and to that point, I think it's.
Speaker 3: You know, like America is getting smaller, so like big
guys like me, I mean you've met I'm pretty tall. Uh,
I'm having a harder time finding clothes that fit in
the store because the population is shrinking because it's getting
you know, more Hispanic and more Asian, and so like
being big and fast and strong isn't like the bl
and all of like things like winning fights but it
never hurt. And a society that can produce like lots
of big you know, in both World Wars, right, the
Canadians or the Americans and the Ausies and New Dealander
just would go over to Europe and everyone would be like, oh,
these guys are giants.
Speaker 2: What the hell is what do they feed them over there?
Speaker 3: And it's like lots of meat, you know, And and
the French and the British were like what the Like,
these guys are monsters.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: A society that can produce those kind of guys, that's
a good thing. Like we could discuss you know, I
need neither you and I want to discuss politics at
this particular juncture.
Speaker 2: But like, a.
Speaker 3: A society that produces like lots of really athletic guys
that are somewhere between you know, five eight to six
foot three and you know, one hundred and seventy five
to two hundred and thirty pounds, and they're all strong,
and they're all quick, and they're all coordinated. Like that's
a that's a reserve in terms of like a prosperous,
functioning society that that you want people to have. Like
if everyone, if everyone in your society played hockey, then
everybody knows how to like like, look, dude, you're a defenseman.
Your job is this. And I think that a society
that doesn't have things like sports in common and it
is a less cohesive, less functioning society. So you know,
if we're going to pick a national game, let's pick
one that's like socially useful. And I think hockey would
fit the bill, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I agree, but yeah, the South
is just I mean, we're I love it s Sea country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And for college football, it's just college football. College football,
college football, well yes, but.
Speaker 3: But but they're I mean, if you listen to Jose
just published an episode about how they're major high schools
in Dallas that don't have the ability to feel the
hockey a football team anymore because of the South Asian invasion.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, like this is.
Speaker 3: Not I mean, I'm consciously trying to get into hockey
because it's the white sport and I want to support
the people that don't hate me. Where obviously the NFL
and and NBA, like they just completely they want nothing
to do with me, and I'm fine with that. But
you know, hockey, I can't think of a great hockey nasian,
whether it's any the Scandahovian countries or Russia or Canada
or the United States or any Eastern EUROPEA countries, Like
this is a place I would never want to live,
and I don't like their society. Like hockey seems to
me to be a sport for like places that I
would like, like or I would have wanted formerly, you know,
like would'd be happy with Malmo right now? Probably not,
but like Stockholm nic spring Day sounds like a pretty
good time. Then, Yeah, I think hockey.
Speaker 2: The I used to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's say allegedly, I used to have a
access to a lot of European channels, TV channels, probably
not sanctioned, but you know, allegedly this happened. Yeah, the game,
the games in the German league are great. You know,
I watch games from Germany. Just the German leagues themselves,
they are great. The Swedish leagues, they have Swedish elite leagues,
those are great, you know, and I mean these are
I mean it is it's a white sport. I mean
it's You've had some good black players over the years,
but they're the exception that proves the rule. You know,
You've had, like I mean one one Hispanic. I can
really think of Scotty Gomez and you know he was
American from Alaska, really good player, but you know, when
it comes when it comes down to it, I mean,
it's a white sport. I mean my my high school team,
we had, I mean guys with my my last name,
another Hispanic last name, had a black dude playing on
the team. I mean it's New York City and you know,
none of us were ghetto. You know, we were all
going to a nice Catholic school and you know, having
you know, paying tuition, and you know, we all spoke properly,
as proper as you can speak with a New York accent,
and yeah, but the exception is really the exception. It
just reminded me of something hilarious. There was this player
in the seventies, French Canadian guy, Roger Albert rob. If
he spelled his name, it would be Rod Gilbert. It
was pronounced Rogilbert because French Canadian. He said one of
the funniest fucking things in an interview I remember, and
they got so mad at him, even back then. They
asked him, they said, how come there aren't more black
hockey players and he said, well, because in Canada we
use black people as hockey bucks.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the one example I have of a
of a of a black hockey player that I know of,
you know, he committed murder on the ice in England.
Speaker 2: So well.
Speaker 1: The goalie for that great Edmonton Oilers team was Grant
Fear and he was a he was a black guy.
There was Jerome mcginla played a played a long career.
He was like half I mean he was like African.
He wasn't like African American. I mean it's like he
was like half like African his mom was born in
Africa or something like that. But I mean, when it
comes down to it, you're you're talking about you're really
just talking about the exception.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have I think.
Speaker 3: Player or he was saying, like hockey basically selects for
like intact families with a little bit of money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, like like.
Speaker 3: That between like taking kids to you know, five o'clock
ice five o'clock in the morning practices that all the gear,
you know, skates and pads and sticks and helmets and
all that stuff, and ice fees and that's expensive, right,
so between between all that, like you it sounds like
basically hockey, hockey filters for like intact families. Well not
only that. Here, here's the thing. Parents that are willing
to get up at four or five o'clock in the
morning and take you to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like involved parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're it's going to have to be
parents who are now.
Speaker 2: In the city.
Speaker 1: Like we would even if my dad didn't take us
or something like that, a bunch of us would get
together and travel together. We could ride the train, you know,
or do something like that. But we were together, you know,
we would you know, the strength and numbers kind of thing.
I mean, for the most part, when I was going
to play at Laskar's on one hundred and cent Street
in Central Park as my dad driving us, you know,
and this is you got to be there at seven
six forty five in the morning, seven o'clock to suit
up and get on the ice by seven thirty. So yeah,
I mean it's you know, your parents are parents are
not only gonna have to be present, but they're gonna
have to be involved, and they're gonna have and they're
gonna have to be I mean, they're gonna have to
be okay with you doing this or even promote you
doing this.
Speaker 2: So it's not like the.
Speaker 3: Most famous hockey parent in America, you know, Sarah Palin,
Like right, you know, you made lots of jokes about that,
but that's the sort of thing that actually, yeah, like
moms who have to care about their kids, Like, yeah,
you know the difference between the hockey mom and a
pit bull's lipstick, right, Like you know, that's that's a
funny line. I mean, like that's a funny line. That's
the sort of mom that actually really cares about their kids.
You know, if hockey dads are like willing to throw
down about their kids, not NI good enough ice time
or whatever, like that's the dad that cares about their kids.
Speaker 1: So there was there was a There was a hockey
movie in the in the nineteen eighties. Came out in
nineteen eighty six called Young Blood starbu starring Rob Low,
Patrick Swayzee. Kenna Reeves was in it. Kenna Reeves actually
plays a French Canadian in it, and he's using a
French Canadian accent and he's not bad at it. It
turns out he plays the goalie on the team. It
turns out he was a goalie, so like you see yeah,
so you see him. Like I could actually played this video,
but there I just wanted to play this one clip
from the movie and tell me if you would hear
a clip like this in a movie today.
Speaker 2: Listen to this, Yay getting out of this hick town.
Speaker 4: Thank god there is still a sport for middle sized
white boys.
Speaker 2: Would you hear a line? Never? Never? Never?
Speaker 3: And so I mean part of the part of the
reason I mean this is that I was a big
sports fan O twenty odd years ago. Because it's just
a whatever else you want to say about it's a
field of excellence and like, you know, it's extraordinary, like
some of the stuff that he's you know, Jack seven
foot two, three hundred pounds can bench pressure truck right
like it's it's extraordinary. And Steve Saylor right just was
also a guy who's are just do sports. He would
just talk about the truth about this stuff. And the
fact is is it like every other in the world,
every other big pro sport like selects four. You know,
maybe five people in the NBA are under six foot, right,
and and most of them are like not just six
foot but like six four or six five is the
small guys they're monsters.
Speaker 2: I mean they're huge.
Speaker 3: They're huge, Like, you know, a substantial percentage of the
of the population of the world that's seven foot plus
has played in the NBA, right, Like it's just that's
the game, right, you know, guys that are you know,
six foot five and three hundred pounds, Like a lot
of those guys, you know, the really really just not
tall guys, but just huge guys. Like they're all in
the NFL right on the line somewhere. And you know,
the the NFL or the NHL is the only sport
where there could be like a really great player who's
five ten one seventy and you know he's just skilled
maybe baseball, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Yeah, when I was growing up, so in
the seventies, I think, if I remember correctly, the average
height in the NHL was five foot ten. It's gotten
a lot bigger six foot it's six foot one now
and the average weight is like two hundred pounds. But
when I was growing up, it was a lot of
skinny white guys who you know, who were five foot ten.
And it's just one of those things where as players
came in from Eastern Europe, you know, who were had
a tendency to be bigger, especially a lot of the
a lot of the Czech players were bigger, and a
lot of the Russian players came in who had a
tendency to be stronger. Someone like Vladimir Constantinov was just
this he was a fucking cave man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was just I mean, it had shoulders that you
could you know, we're just so broad and flat that yeah,
players just had to get bigger, and it was you know,
you still see you still see some players who are
they're going to be skilled players, are going to be
finesse players, who can be five foot ten, five foot,
five foot eleven, but yeah, most of the most of
the guys now are going to be in the six
foot one range. And I mean they have goalies that
are like six foot five, six foot six. When I
was a kid, like goalies were like five foot eight,
five foot nine, you know, So you know it it's
you know, it's changed as it become more international. But
then you know, remember when it's international, it's just becoming
more slov and more Eastern European. It's that like, you know,
people it's not like they're coming in from they're importing
seven footers from Africa.
Speaker 3: Minute Bowl is coming, you know, yeah, you know that's
not that happened. It's going to be you know, I
have an ivan off from Chess Molensk, you know, like
right like.
Speaker 1: And a lot of those Russian players were finesse players too,
like a pavl Bret. I met Pavel Bret and he
was my but I mean he was so fucking fast
and so graceful, and he could do things with the
puck that were I mean, it were like it was
like beautiful, like he was like dancing, he was playing ballet.
You know, it was ballet out there on skate, you know,
on skates.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I remember watching a documentary about like the
Russian feeder program or something, and I know that the
like the Broad's uh years ago, I was listening to
reading something about the eighty Olympics and basically like the
Broad Street, right, the Philadelphia Uh that's Philadelphia, right, yep,
Philly Right.
Speaker 3: They just absolutely like destroyed the Russian team because they
were all like finesse. But I remember watching this documentary
about the about the Russian farm system whatever their equivalent
of like the junior hockey is, and they actually had
the guys like doing like ballet in the summers, right,
Like it's like you know.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, she's a documentary. Yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 3: And I I understand why people on our side of
the defense like signal against sports ball. And I absolutely
understand like the whole obsession with sports is a poison
in a culture, especially the way we do sports in
North America, particularly in the United States, Like I get it,
but also like you have to have a healthy masculinity outlet,
and like you know, when some guy does something wrong
on the field, then he gets knocked in the next week,
like there's some justice in that that. I think that
like those lines in life, there's there's some kind of
lessons you can only learn playing sports. There's a lot
of a lot of life lessons that can only be
learned playing sports. And I think that that that's a
good thing that that, like people learn those well.
Speaker 1: Team sports is also important too, because it, you know, teaches,
it gets you out of that individuality mindset, you know.
Playing yeahs tennis is and my brother was a My
brother was a phenomenal tennis player. Full yet offers for
full scholarships to I mean twenty twenty five thirty colleges.
But yeah, that's that's an individual sport, and team sport
is something, especially hockey. I mean, you you really are.
It's it's very hard to be one guy out on
the ice. Yeah, you you're relying on your on your
guys out there. So you know, it helps build that
collective kind of spirit and you know, you're not that
that whole thing of oh we're just we're all individuals
and collectivism is communism and everything like that. Okay, well,
you know, fuck you, but I liked playing team sports.
I liked being part of a team, even though I
didn't really have a lot in common with a lot
of the guys on the team. But when it came
to being on the ice and in the locker room,
we got along. But you know, I went to high
school with these guys and I ran with a different
crowd than like the jock crowd even though I played.
But you know, still everyone you know had a click.
And the playing a team sport like that, especially when
you're playing football, you can get totally like you have
linemen on opposite side of the line who may never
you know, they're not doing anything together, you know, in tandem.
But hockey, when you only have five guys out there
and you're condensed into this, you.
Speaker 2: Know rightly, like.
Speaker 3: Football is a very bimodal sport right at certain levels,
like if two way balls an't really a thing anymore.
But like you know, the offense of the defense are
almost totally separate teams with totally separate ways of doing
things and totally separate there's two separate games. Playing defense
in football and playing offensive football are completely different versus hockey.
You know, it's six guys, we're out there all the
time together, they're all doing the same thing, you know,
trying to win a game. You know, even the goalie,
even if he's slightly different.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the goalie is the goalies relying upon
his defenseman as much as as much as a forward.
You know, a winger is relying on his center to
get them the puck. You know, the the goalie is
really the goalies the general out there. You you will
see a lot of goalies when their team is on
the other end of the ice, on the when they're
on the offensive end. There are goalies that will skate
up almost to their blue line and you'll hear them
barking like they'll be barking out orders like hey, you know,
watch this what you know? So goalies can actually become
generals out there. And when you're backing your own defensive
end and the other team in your goalie, you have
to listen to your goalie.
Speaker 3: So you mentioned like the center being the quarterback. Like
in basketball, your smartest players tend to be point guards.
In in baseball, it's catchers. Our goalies. The guy like
are more like a lot of former coaches in baseball
will be like former catchers, right because they there were
there were the guys who were the most like saw
the whole field or whatever, and tended to be more
intellectual players. A lot of point guards end up being
coaches in the NBA. A lot of quarterbacks end up
as coaches in football. Is it like goalies and centers
that end up being like if someone was to retire
or from playing and then.
Speaker 2: Become a coach, is it like would they whether that
be like goalies.
Speaker 1: And centers or you have goal you have goalies and centers.
A lot of times if you go through, I'd have
to go through like the head coaches. Like when I
was growing up, most of the head coaches of the
teams had never played in the NHL.
Speaker 2: It was they.
Speaker 1: They were coaches that, strangely enough, came up through that
those junior systems as well. You know, they started being
they played in the juniors, they weren't good enough to
play in the NHL, so that they they became coaches
and trainers and stuff like that, and then they just
worked their way their way up. I know, wah, I know.
Patrick waw was was a head coach for a while.
Uh who could understand him as French accent? Jeez, The
Quebecqua accent is like redneck French. It's very difficult.
Speaker 3: It's so I lived, you know, where I lived in Lauderdale,
there were a lot of quebecuah, and yes, sometimes it'd
be like what I talked about, what young guys who
lived in the same building I did down there?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Can't here? Slow down?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm trying to think now, like players and
where they played. Yeah, centers, yeah, Brenda Moore, Yeah, yeah, yeah, centers, goalies.
I'm trying to think of defenseman. Defense. To me, defenseman
would be would be make a good head coach? Huh
because a defenseman, the goalie can see the whole ice,
everything's happening on the ice, But so it's the defenseman.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: That's got me thinking. Now, I'm sure someone's screaming at me, going, Pete,
come on, you know this. I just don't like I said,
I really liked watching, still watched. I didn't like it,
but I still watched a lot of sports up until
the time COVID hit. When COVID hit, I just I
was so pissed off at all these leagues for shutting
down and everything like that.
Speaker 2: I understand. I was like, fuck you guys.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, why would you do this, well,
you're giving up billions. I mean, you know, I think
I wrote something at the time that these guys had
to have been getting reimbursed, they had to have been
promised to get that money back and everything.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they did as worse than you know. There
was there was.
Speaker 1: A strike in the two thousands to shut the league down,
and like a bunch of people went and played in
Europe and a lot of people went played in Russia
in the Russian leagues and everything. And I understood that.
You know, it's like you're going to have people who
are going to you know, they're going to strike and
everything like that, and then be like for free agency
or for you know, more mostly for you know, we
want to have more control over who I can sign
with so you don't have to wait to be in
the league so long to become an unrestricted free agent,
things like that. But yeah, COVID was just the I
just I couldn't get past that. COVID just changed pretty
much everything for me. It's like, that's right, I just
dove headfirst into the political and had to figure out
what the hell and why why all this was happening.
Speaker 2: Well, I you know, that's why we're friends.
Speaker 3: Actually is that? Is that a friend of a Fieldhouse?
Actually it was like what happened to Pete? It's like, well,
twenty twenty cured him of the delusion that people want
to be free. It's like I've read repeat from libertarian days,
like yeah, actually, well he was, and then then everyone
was like, oh, I don't want freedom. Freedom sounds icky
and hard, like, well, yeah, that's that's kind of the point.
But you know, it's it's having played in that team sport, right,
knowing your role and and doing like not everyone's got
to be the rock star. Not everyone's going to be
you know, our mutual friend, uh Mike Ferris, right, Like
everyone thinks they're in a superhero movie now, yeah, and
everyone you know, like has everyone has main character syndromas
like that, that's not how life works. Actually, that's that's
a very unhealthy way to go about living life.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have main character syndrome.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you heard the episode.
I haven't released it yet. With Darryl in Fieldhouse.
Speaker 2: I was listening to it right before we got on Ashley.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Daryl made a really good point. He said, Yo,
people everybody wants to be a general. No one wants
to be No one wants to be able to take
no one wants to take orders.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, well, and that's I learned from doing certain
team sports that like, I'm not good at certain things,
like I'm just not but what I am good at,
I'm good at. And it's all like, I'm not gonna
try and do like you do such an amazing job
with the show of finding all these different guests and
dealing with all these different things headaches that I just
would be bad at and being friendly and like respectful
with people that I just want to be, Like, you're
a fucking more odd like and uh, you know, like
hosting a show and and being like a subject matter
expert are two different things. And I think that that,
you know, playing a team sport where it's like, hey man,
your job is this, we need you to do this
one thing consistently, and that's you know, that's your day job,
that's you know, that's your family life, right.
Speaker 2: Dads can't be moms. Moms can't be dads.
Speaker 3: And and you know, I look at the kind of
society's hockey produces or hockey comes from, and I'm like
this is a good sport and I want to learn more.
So yeah, thanks, thanks for the chemacation beat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm glad I could help. I recommend.
Speaker 1: If you want to get a good, like an entertaining
hockey movie. Okay, people are going to tell you a
slap shot. Slash Shot is actually a really good hockey movie,
but it concentrates much on fighting. It is more of
a you know, it's it's an enjoyable movie. I mean
Paul Newman, Paul Newman actually learned how to freaking play
hockey to be in that movie. And Paul Newman was
like almost fifty at the time. So you got to
give it to Paul Newman. It's a good movie. But
the nineteen eighty six movie young Blood is such a
good movie to like get into hockey with, because it's
like I was watching a video of somebody reviewing it
earlier today and what was his uh He had a
really good line about it. He said, where is it?
He said, young Blood actually got hockey right. So there
are some things in it where if you're a hockey
fan you'll be like uh uh, and he points it out.
But when it comes down to it, like it's it's
a good introduction hockey movie. And you know, I played
that one little clip from it, and you know, it
really is. It just shows you that this is a
sport that was, you know, dominated by Canadian white boys
from small towns, even though they're in it takes place
in Hamilton, Ontario that they keep calling a small town.
But as the guy points out in the video, Hamilton,
Ontario is like half million people. I would hate to
see what Hamilton Ontario is right now. It's not good.
I don't know. It's like when I found out what
happens in Brampton. Yeah, similar, similar thing. And I only
know because the late great Cathy Shadle was was from Hamilton.
Speaker 2: Did you complain?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's if anybody would like wants to watch
a movie about hockey, fine, young Blood, it's you. It's entertaining.
It has everything it has. It has movie tropes where
you know, the main character, you know you is attracted
to the coach's daughter, you know kind of, I mean,
you know, just that those kind of troops and everything,
but they're but it's a fun movie. And uh, there
are some line you know, there there are some themes
in it, some lines in it that you're you're gonna
laugh your ass off and you'll be like, never get
away with saying that today. Slapshots another one of those movies.
It's like that too. It was just like this movie
is really white. It's like, yeah, because it's hockey, right.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's that's That's one of the things about
hockey it's attractive, is just that that it's still European culturally. Yeah,
that's a something that ought to be preserved.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, all right, well let's get out of here. I
appreciate this and nice to talk about and share a
little bit of videos and everything and Bobby or and
just get to relive some you know, I didn't do
much research for this, but you know, looking up some
of the videos and watching some of the things, I
was like.
Speaker 3: Oh man, god, I used to love this so much.
It's like I gotta get back into it. I gotta
start watching again. Although you know, the Nashville Predators did
put out there. Did you see that logo they put
out the other day? No rainbow logo? I was gonna say,
was it Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1: Well, it was like a like they did their logo
with like a rainbow, rainbow colors.
Speaker 2: It's like, God, come on, they tried to you know,
they didn't been. Shapiro moved to Nashville. Couldn't you just
do like you know, yeah, he moved.
Speaker 1: He moved his business to Nashville, and then he was like, yeah,
I'm not staying here and went to Miami. Oh that
makes all the time or something like that, where they
all are. But yeah, so he gets to say, oh,
my business is in Nashville, but yeah, where do you live?
Then let's not oh, go I didn't fly.
Speaker 3: Let's not talk about politics, but.
Speaker 2: Well, I promote your show.
Speaker 3: Uh well, I have the fundamental principles on telegram. Pete's
been kind of enough beyond it. And then of course
I'm fortunate enough to be a regular guest on the
Thought Crimes Etiquette with Pete and our mutual friends Charles
Badel and Jose Nino. I was just on jose show
that should come out in the next couple of days,
and I did an episode of The Third Rail last
week or something like that. So I'm just kind of
you know, here there and everywhere, usually talking about you know, doom,
importance and awful things, which you know, there's been no
shortage of lately. So I appreciate Pete giving me the
chance to talk about something I Januy could learn something about.
Speaker 2: So no man, I appreciate it. Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 3: S