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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein Chronicles. As the Jeffrey Epstein related fallout continues to

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<v Speaker 1>rain down, people are starting to pay a price, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of those people is Katherine Rumler, the former Obama

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<v Speaker 1>White House counsel and currently the top lawyer at Goldman Sachs.

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, it's a long time coming. This isn't some revelation.

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<v Speaker 1>If you follow the story, you know about Katherine Rumler,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know that she was offering Jeffrey Epstein all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of advice and strategy to help fight the charges

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<v Speaker 1>that he was facing, and even though he was a

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting animal, she had no problem remaining his friend, especially

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<v Speaker 1>considering that friendship also came with a lot of perks,

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<v Speaker 1>such as a nine thousand, three hundred and fifty dollars handbag,

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<v Speaker 1>which is wild to me considering how rich this lady is. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>you mean to tell me, ms, big shot lawyer here

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<v Speaker 1>can't come up with nine thousand, three hundred and fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just the perk, right, not just the bag.

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<v Speaker 1>She actually really enjoyed Jeffrey Epstein. She enjoyed his company,

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<v Speaker 1>She enjoyed his friendship, and she certainly enjoyed his patronage.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's article was published by Reuters and the headline Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein gave her a nine three hundred and fifty dollars handbag.

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<v Speaker 1>But did Goldman Sachs departing top lawyer violate any rules

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<v Speaker 1>This article was authored by Jenna green Well. Maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>any rules of the trade, but she certainly broke all

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<v Speaker 1>the rules of morality, and considering the shit storm, Goldman

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<v Speaker 1>Sachs is certainly in the right letting her go. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course she'll say she's stepping down, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure came from the top shareholders, people on the board.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody wants to deal with this shit, and that's because

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<v Speaker 1>all of you have kept the pressure on. So every

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<v Speaker 1>one of you who have been engaged, following along and

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<v Speaker 1>demanding justice, shed give yourselves a pat on the back,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're the real engine behind all of this. Not

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<v Speaker 1>my big mouth, not anybody else talking about it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all of you folks who are demanding justice and who

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<v Speaker 1>refuse to be told to move on, because I promise you,

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<v Speaker 1>if you weren't making the kind distinct that you're making,

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<v Speaker 1>they would have already moved on. We'd have no files, nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>So the whole entire thing, as far as where we

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<v Speaker 1>are is because of folks like you. Goldman Sachs top

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer Catherine Rumler faced fierce criticism on social media and

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<v Speaker 1>calls for her ouster following revelations that she accepted thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars worth of gifts from Jeffrey Epstein when she

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<v Speaker 1>was previously a partner at a law firm. As a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of attorney ethics, her conduct didn't appear to violate

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<v Speaker 1>any professional rules, but I raised questions of judgment. Some

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<v Speaker 1>legal ethics experts told me, well, it really comes down

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<v Speaker 1>to the blowback. They might wrap it in some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dressing. Oh yeah, yeah, it was about ethics, It

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<v Speaker 1>was about this that the other thing, But really it's

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<v Speaker 1>about pushback. They don't want to deal with you folks

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<v Speaker 1>going bananas, and they now know that this isn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to just blow over. So they had to do something,

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<v Speaker 1>and that something is removing Catherine Rumler. Late Thursday, Rumler

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<v Speaker 1>announced her resignation as Goldman's Chief Legal Officer and General Council,

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<v Speaker 1>effective June thirtieth. My responsibility is to put Goldman Sachs

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<v Speaker 1>Interest first, Rumbler said in a statement. Goldman chief executive

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<v Speaker 1>David Solomon, who had initially stood by Rumler, said in

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<v Speaker 1>a statement that Rumler has been an extraordinary general Council

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<v Speaker 1>and will be missed. I don't worry. I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 1>can find another pedophile adjacent person to come and take

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<v Speaker 1>the reins. A spokesperson for Rumler, who served as White

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<v Speaker 1>House counsel during the Obama administration, said earlier this week

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<v Speaker 1>that she was never Epstein's lawyer and that she had

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<v Speaker 1>done nothing wrong. Okay, so that's pretty important, right. She's

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<v Speaker 1>saying that she has never been Epstein's lawyer, so that

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<v Speaker 1>means that there is no lawyer client privilege, so they

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<v Speaker 1>can't hide behind that. Let's just keep that in mind

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward as more information comes out about Catherine Rumler.

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<v Speaker 1>Ethic rules for lawyers offer few guardrails on propriety of

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<v Speaker 1>accepting gifts. Most day bars have adopted an American Bar

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<v Speaker 1>Association rule that says a lawyer may not solicit a

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<v Speaker 1>substantial gift from a client, but the rule doesn't prevent

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer from accepting an unsolicited client gift, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>how valuable. Said Fordham School of Law Ethics professor Bruce Green.

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<v Speaker 1>Nor are lawyers barred from soliciting or accepting substantial gifts

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<v Speaker 1>from a former client or other non client. Look, let's

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<v Speaker 1>not get caught in the weeds here. That's not what

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<v Speaker 1>this is about. It's not about a three hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty dollars bag. It's about her judgment being skewed. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about her judgment being terrible. It's about her associating, frolicking,

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<v Speaker 1>and enjoying the company of a convicted sex offender. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're Goldman Sachs, do you want this lady representing

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<v Speaker 1>your company? I know, I wouldn't talk about a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>If she can't even figure out that Epstein's a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of shit, you really want her in charge of negotiating

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollar deals and whatnot? Seems like a situation that

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<v Speaker 1>you try to avoid at all costs. According to Rumler

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<v Speaker 1>spokesperson Jennifer Connolly, Rumler knew Epstein through her prior work

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<v Speaker 1>as a criminal defense attorney, receive referrals from him, and

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<v Speaker 1>was friendly with them in a personal context. Epstein also

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally sought her informal legal advice, and she responded based

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<v Speaker 1>on what she knew, and often in ways designed to

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<v Speaker 1>placate him without having to actually get involved. Connolly wrote

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<v Speaker 1>in an email, still lying, Still lying about the relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Just admit it. Just admit that you enjoyed his company,

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<v Speaker 1>you knew what he was, and you didn't give a

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<v Speaker 1>fuck about the people he heard. I'm so tired of

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<v Speaker 1>the lying, the bullshitting. The mental gymnastics Goldman has a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty nine page quote of conduct that includes instructions on

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<v Speaker 1>giving but not receiving gifts from clients. It also prohibits

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<v Speaker 1>employees from engaging in outside activities that create conflicts, reputational risks,

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<v Speaker 1>or any other negative impact to the firm or our clients.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, right there is cause for firing. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about reputational risk, You want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>a serious problem, folks, this is it. Imagine being a

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<v Speaker 1>board member, somebody that holds a large number of stock

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<v Speaker 1>over here. Imagine what you're thinking right now. And make

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<v Speaker 1>no mistake, the only reason she resigned is because they

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<v Speaker 1>were letting her say face. She was on her way out.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter what. It's unclear to what extent the rule

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<v Speaker 1>would have obligated Rumler to disclose her prior association with

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<v Speaker 1>the notorious financier, whose death in twenty nineteen was front

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<v Speaker 1>page news, or if such disclosure was made. Rumbler was

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<v Speaker 1>hired by Goldman in April of twenty twenty. They already knew,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't care, Just like the rest of these people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always the same story. Right after the fact, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, oh, we care so much about Epstein's survivors,

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<v Speaker 1>we care so much about what Epstein was doing. But

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<v Speaker 1>the reality is, when they had a chance to not

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<v Speaker 1>hire them, to not associate with them, they sure had

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<v Speaker 1>no problem doing it. Goldman spokesperson Tony Fratto told Reuters

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<v Speaker 1>last week that Epstein often offered unsolicited favors and gifts

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<v Speaker 1>to many business contacts. Rumler accepted the gifts between twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen and twenty nineteen, when she was a partner at

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<v Speaker 1>Latham and Watkins, according to emails recently released by the

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<v Speaker 1>US Department of Justice. The law firm says Epstein was

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<v Speaker 1>not a client and declient further comment, Oh, I bet

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<v Speaker 1>they did. I bet you. They're running for cover. If

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<v Speaker 1>they have a bunker, they're hiding in it. Law firm

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<v Speaker 1>consultant Lisa Smith with Fairfax Associates said that while some

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<v Speaker 1>firms place limits on gifts from vendors, she hasn't seen

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<v Speaker 1>partnership agreements that address non clients. It would be difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to define that, but it's possible that exists, she said

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<v Speaker 1>via email. Latham's partnership agreement is not publicly available, and

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<v Speaker 1>the firm does not publish a code of ethics for

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<v Speaker 1>its lawyers on its website. Epstein pleaded guilty in Florida

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<v Speaker 1>State Court in two thousand and eight to felony solicitation

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<v Speaker 1>a prostitution and procuring a person under the age of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen for prostitution. Just to be clear, if you're under eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't be a prostitute. Okay, you're a child who's

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<v Speaker 1>being manipulated, groomed, abused. I hope that was clear for

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<v Speaker 1>everybody in the back. In July of two thousand nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he was arrested on a sex trafficking charge and died

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<v Speaker 1>a month later in a Manhattan jail cell in what

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<v Speaker 1>New York City's Chief Medical Examiner called a suicide. Based

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<v Speaker 1>on my review of a sample of more than nine

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<v Speaker 1>thousand emails from twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen that mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>Rumler's name. The exchanges offer a few indications of why

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<v Speaker 1>the gifts were given or what, if anything, Epstein expected

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<v Speaker 1>in return. A person from Bloomingdale's in twenty seventeen was

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<v Speaker 1>said to be a birthday present, and on Valentine's Day

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty eighteen, Epstein treated Rumler to a Glam Squad

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<v Speaker 1>hair and makeup appointment. At least twice he sent chicken

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<v Speaker 1>soup when she was sick. The email show, So how

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<v Speaker 1>many of you out there have sent chicken noodle soup

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<v Speaker 1>to somebody who's sick that you didn't really know. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure everybody's out there running to the store right now

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<v Speaker 1>to get some of that chicken noodle soup to send

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<v Speaker 1>to a stranger. These people really think you're stupid, That's

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<v Speaker 1>what they really think. And they're hoping beyond hope that

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<v Speaker 1>the water carriers that are out here in the media

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<v Speaker 1>do the job for them. Oh well, you see, this

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't that big of a deal. Everybody does it, yoho,

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<v Speaker 1>full stop. No, everybody doesn't do it. Only you, sick degenerates.

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<v Speaker 1>I adore him. It's like having another older brother, Rumner

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<v Speaker 1>wrote in a twenty fifteen email to Epstein's assistant. Also

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<v Speaker 1>buried in the DOJ's document release a twenty sixteen email

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<v Speaker 1>from Epstein forwarding a flattering column I wrote for a

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<v Speaker 1>legal publication about Rumner's work on behalf of a Dubai bank.

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<v Speaker 1>The email appears to have been sent to executives a

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<v Speaker 1>Swiss bank Edmund the Rothschild. Well, we know he was

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<v Speaker 1>working for the Rothschilds, and I know that sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>some crazy ass Alex Jones level shit, but it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Connolly, the bank was a client of Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>and Rumbler, and from the emails that appears that Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>had facilitated her introduction to the client, emailing Rumler in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen that Edmund D. Rothschild had a DOJ problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Without elaborating, he asked if she was prohibited from involvement. No,

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<v Speaker 1>no prohibition, she responded. A spokesperson for the bank did

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<v Speaker 1>not immediately respond to a request for comment. Well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>well what was she doing? What levers were being pulled?

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<v Speaker 1>And did Rumler play any part in the Obama administration

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<v Speaker 1>hiding this and covering this up? Because make no mistake,

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<v Speaker 1>the Obama administration had all this information. They knew what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on, they knew what Epstein was and they

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<v Speaker 1>hit it too. So Thomas Massey the other day hit

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<v Speaker 1>the nail on the head, but he didn't go back

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<v Speaker 1>far enough because this shit started during Clinton's first term

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<v Speaker 1>and it's been going on since. So all the people

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<v Speaker 1>out here that want to pass blame blame everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to tell you, it's everybody's fault. Neither side

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<v Speaker 1>has cared about this, and that's why we find ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>in the position that we're in. But when you have

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<v Speaker 1>somebody like Katherine Rumler, who is this high up, who

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<v Speaker 1>is somebody that's the White House counsel, and they're being

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<v Speaker 1>asked to step in and you know, help out with

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<v Speaker 1>the DOJ, that's a problem. And if Prince Andrew and

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<v Speaker 1>MANDELSSN are going to get hemmed up, don't you think

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<v Speaker 1>that people that were in a position like Rumbler's here

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<v Speaker 1>in America should also face serious scrutiny? I most certainly do.

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<v Speaker 1>Reuter's was unable to establish what issue Epstein was referring to,

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<v Speaker 1>or whether Rumbler was ultimately retained to work on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Rumbler's bounty from Epstein included a Hermes purse priced at

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<v Speaker 1>nine thousand, three hundred and fifty dollars in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and defendeecote and bag costing six thousand, eight hundred in

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<v Speaker 1>August of twenty eighteen. According to emails released by the DOJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Other gifts include wine, flowers and a massage at the

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<v Speaker 1>Four Seasons in Washington, DC. The email show boy, it

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<v Speaker 1>must be nice, huh out here on the predator's dime

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<v Speaker 1>getting your legs rubbed. Hope you enjoy yourself, because I

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<v Speaker 1>can assure you that the girls that were involved with

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<v Speaker 1>massaging Jeffrey Epstein and his gross ass friends, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have very much fun. Should Rumler have known better than

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<v Speaker 1>to accept? With a benefit of hindsight, it seems easy

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<v Speaker 1>to say yes, and to see Epstein's campaign of largesse

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<v Speaker 1>as a deliberate move to get a leading lawyer in

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<v Speaker 1>his corner, even unofficially still run in cover for your

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<v Speaker 1>friend here. Huh. Let's just face it, Catherine Rumler piece

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<v Speaker 1>of shit, okay, point blank period, no cover. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what she is. And this is why I'm calling

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<v Speaker 1>for a special counsel, someone that goes back and looks

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<v Speaker 1>at everything, Obama, Bush, Clinton, everybody. Everything has to be

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<v Speaker 1>on the table. In twenty eighteen, the Miami Herald and

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<v Speaker 1>other news outlets reported in detail on allegations of sexual

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<v Speaker 1>abuse by teen girls against Epstein. Oh stop it. It

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<v Speaker 1>was widely reported the first time around. Don't even sit

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<v Speaker 1>here for a minute and act like you had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea that shit is not going to work. Rumbler spokesperson

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<v Speaker 1>said her views on Epstein were shaped by his denial

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<v Speaker 1>of any wrongdoing other than what he had pled guilty

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<v Speaker 1>two years prior, and that if she had known what

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<v Speaker 1>she knows now, she never would have dealt with them

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<v Speaker 1>at all. By the nature of their practice, criminal defense

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers are going to have relationships with unsavory people. What

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers need to keep in mind is whether such relationships

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<v Speaker 1>could reflect poorly on their firm or company, said Downey

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<v Speaker 1>Law Group founder Michael Downey, whose firm folks on legal

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<v Speaker 1>ethics and lawyer discipline defense. Especially if gifts or favors

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<v Speaker 1>are involved, the rules of professional conduct, though necessarily come

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<v Speaker 1>into play, he said, Instead, it's ultimately a question of judgment. Well, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's any question that she hues poor

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<v Speaker 1>judgment and while she was having a great time getting

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<v Speaker 1>her massage and having her Hermes bag, that Epstein bill

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<v Speaker 1>is now due and Katherine Rumler is paying up with interest.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the information that goes with this episode can

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<v Speaker 1>be found in the description box