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Speaker 2: It has been a busy last couple of days in
North Carolina politics. Of course, one of the big stories
last week Governor Josh Stein giving his State of the
State address. To get some continued analysis and reaction to that,
it's my pleasure to welcome Andrew Dunn, the publisher of
long Leaf Politics and a contributing columnist over at the
Charlotte Observer, to the Peak Calendar Show this afternoon. Andrew,
thanks for the time walk us through what your reaction
was to Governor Stein's first State of the State address
last Wednesday night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, and it's good to talk to you.
I mean, really, it almost felt like two different speeches
when he started. When Governor Stein started, honestly, I was
a little impressed at the beginning. He was, you know,
sounding all the right notes, talking in a very bipartisan fashion,
even praising some bills that Republicans were pushing that I
was honestly surprised that he would come out in support of,
for example, one on a banning cell phone use in schools.
But then about halfway through, the switch flips and he
went right back to the same playbook that we were
used to seeing from Governor Roy Cooper, hyperpartisan, dishonest, you know,
attacking Republican motives around things like school choice, the economy,
tax cuts, things like that. So disappointing to see that,
but I guess it wasn't super unexpected.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm glad you bring that up.
Speaker 2: I had this similar reaction to it, I mean right
out of the gate, when you were like, wow, this
is something that we have not seen in North Carolina
and at least the last eight year under Democrat Governor
Roy Cooper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Andrew, talk is cheap.
Speaker 2: It's easy to stand in front of the General Assembly,
that joint Session and claim that you want to act
in a bipartisan manner, to do some of these things
in a bipartisan manner. But you look at the at
the time the Attorney general's track record is, which is
the previous position he held, He didn't act in that
manner at all. Don't we have to use his track
record as an indication of what's going to happen in
the future.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And it's still pretty early in this legislative session,
the first one that Stein is the governor for, and
I think we're going to know really quickly how he's
actually going to govern. You know, he said a lot
of the right things and as inauguration address and here
in the State of the State, but he really hasn't
gotten any bills to his desk yet. So we're going
to see, especially with this budget that's coming together. You know,
how is Governor Stein going to approach it. Is he
actually going to try to find common ground like you
said he would, or is he going to go back
to what Governor Cooper did and you know, veto unless
it's everything that he wants.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I think many folks have described it as kind of
the honeymoon period is still on between the Republican led
General Assembly and the Democrat governor and Josh Stein. You
talk a little bit about this budget process, Andrew things
are going to start ramping up here, sooner rather than later.
Those fights in the past have been pretty nasty and
have drawn out into the late summer, even close to Christmas.
Back a couple of years ago. When do you expect
all of that to get started.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's it's already started. Kind of how it
works is, you know, at this period of time, in
the March April time frame, you're going to see a
lot of Republicans put out bills around spending issues. So
a great example, as Representative Aaron Perey from Waite County,
she had a bill on raising entry level teacher paid
to fifty thousand dollars. So that bill is not going
to go anywhere, but what it's going to do is
it's going to be become part of the budget negotiation.
So right now, everybody's kind of putting out their priorities,
and then in the next month or two you're going
to start seeing committees come together to weigh all that
and come up with an actual full budget proposal. I
haven't seen any anybody say this is the date we're
shooting for. Usually that's kind of how it works is
either you know a Senator Burger or new House Speaker
Deston Hall will say, yeah, we're looking to have a
draft of a budget by X date. I haven't heard
that yet, but I don't think it'll be too far
into the future.
Speaker 4: No question about that.
Speaker 2: And of course we did see that legislative calendar from
Deston Hall indicating that things should be wrapped up before
the new fiscal year starts July one of this year.
So as we watch everything that's going on in the
General Assembly, we watched the relationship Andrew. At the national level,
there's been some recent polling I spent some time talking
about it yesterday that shows very low approval for the
Democrat Party. And again that's at the national level. Do
you think that impacts Governor Josh Stein in North Carolina
Democrats as they try and navigate a strong Republican majority
in the House and the Senate here across the state.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it does. I mean there a national
Democrat perception problem does filter down to the state level. However,
and the Roy Cooper wing of the Democratic Party, they
have been able to insulate themselves at least a little
bit from the national perception. I think that's especially why
you're seeing Josh Stein talk a lot about bipartisanship, working
across the aisle, that sort of thing. He's trying to
carve out his niche as kind of the Josh Shapiro
style Democrat. You know, whether that will work because he
also faces pressures from the other side, right, I mean,
there's plenty of people in the Democratic Party who will
bristle against that and want him to be more of
your national liberal type of political figure. So it'll be
interesting to see not only how he navigates working with Republicans,
but also how he tries to fend off kind of
the lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: You know, it's an unfortunate circumstance and scenario that we're in.
Of course, Hurricane Helene has completely dominated the North Carolina
news cycle since September of last year. Governor Stein walks
into that problem. It's not something he created. Do you
think that maybe draws the General Assembly and the governor
closer than if there wasn't such a major natural disaster
that the state is going to have to handle otherwise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And Governor Stein at least seems like he's
open to working with Republicans more on that. I mean,
that's one of the biggest stains on Governor Cooper's tenure
as governor, is how abysmal a failure he was a
disaster response. And I would love to hear what Governor
Stein says to Destin Hall and Philberger in private on
that and honestly what he says to Cooper about as well.
But at least the indications I'm getting are that Governor
Stein is saying the right things to Republicans about working
with them on disaster relief and hopefully it's going to
yield better results for the people of western North Carolina
and eastern North Carolina. To be honest, I mean, we're
eight nine years past some of these hurricanes, and we've
still got people living in hotels in eastern North Carolina.
Speaker 2: Now you're talking about the disaster that was the North
Carolina and still continues to be the North Carolina Office
of Recovery and Resiliency. Andrew, obviously you're talking about and
we're shouting about it from the political landscape this morning.
But as you look at what's going on in DC
with the Trump administration and their conversation about stripping down
and cutting out FEMA and making that the state's responsibility
to essentially turn FEMA into a blank check writing operation.
There's got to be a lot of North Carolina citizens
that have eyebrows raised as to whether the state can
actually handle something as large as hurricane relief, with Matthew
and Florence victims, as you noted, still living in hotel
rooms for almost a decade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're exactly right, And you know, from a philosophical standpoint,
I'm certainly open to that, you know, kind of pushing
some of that power down to the states. I think
that's what the founding fathers intended for our federalist system.
But yeah, I mean I would absolutely be concerned with
pouring more money into a system that is still broken.
You know, Luckily, the wheels of government tend to move slowly,
and I am optimistic about some of these The committees
of the General Assemblies put together to look at this,
and you know, if there were ever to be a
massive shift like that, I would fully expect there to
be a lot of planning, a lot of work. You know,
get Dave Dave Bullock, the new state auditor involved, to
help root out some of the problems in the previous
system and create a better one.
Speaker 2: Andrew, there's a lot going on. If folks need to
keep track of everything. What's the place best way to
keep up with you and all the things that you're
tracking and following.
Speaker 3: Yeah, best way is to look up long Leaf Politics.
It's long leafpol dot com.
Speaker 2: Andrew Dunn joining us this afternoon on the pe Counter Show.
He's the publisher of long Leaf Politics Politics and also
a contributing columnist over at The Charlotte Observer.
Speaker 4: Andrew, thanks so much for the time. Greatly appreciated.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: So yesterday we're chatting a little bit about the back
and forth with this ruling from a judge on Saturday
that stopped or asked to the Trump administration to stop
the deportation flights that were already in the air at
already taking place. The President putting out a post on
Truth's Social this morning. I want to read it in
its entirety, and we've got a rare response from Chief
Justice John Roberts to this just moments ago. This is
Trump's post earlier this morning. Quote this radical left lunatic
of a judge, a troublemaker and agitator who was sadly
appointed by Barack bak Hussein. Obama was not elected president.
He didn't win the popular vote by a lot. He
didn't win all seven swing states. He didn't win two thousand,
seven hundred and fifty to five hundred and twenty five counties.
He didn't win anything. I won for many reasons in
an overwhelming mandate, but fighting illegal immigration may have been
the number one reason for this historic victory. I'm just
doing what the voters wanted me to do. This judge,
like many of the crooked judges I am forced to
appear before, should be impeached. We do not want vicious,
violent and deranged criminals, many of them murderers, in our country.
Make America great again. Ending a quote there from President
Trump on truth Social A little after nine o'clock this morning,
and just as we were coming on the air this afternoon,
Chief Justice John Roberts has issued a rare public statement
pushing back after this post from pre in Trump calling
for the impeachment of the not only this judge, but
many of the others that he say are.
Speaker 4: In his way.
Speaker 2: The Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court said
this quote. For more than two centuries, it has been
established that impeachment is not the appropriate response to disagreeing
and disagreements concerning a judicial decision, the normal appellate review
process exists for that purpose. Now, yesterday we were talking
about and heard from many of you on this idea
of the radical judges that are currently leading the administration around,
and I made the point that at some point, sooner
rather than later, Chief Justice John Roberts in the United
States Supreme Court is going to have to deal with this.
And this response from John Roberts is not what I
think Trump and people were looking for. He says in
his statement that impeachment isn't the process. It's to go
through the normal appellates. That's exactly the issue. While this
is going through the normal appellate process, you have got
unelected judges, district court judges not authorized in the Constitution,
that are deciding how in which the executive branch can operate.
And let's not act like this normal appellate process is
something that just happens overnight. I mean, case in point,
look at what's going on here in North Carolina with
the Supreme Court race between judge Appeals Court Judge Jefferson
Griffin and current Supreme Court Justice Allison Riggs. That election
was in November of last year, that we still don't
have a certified winner or arguments take place in the
Appeals Court this Friday, and no matter who ends up winning,
that that decision is going to be appealed to the
state's Supreme Court, where the clock will restart again. I mean,
there's a very strong possibility that as we get into
the middle lattern end of April, we still don't know
who is going to be a certified by the Board
of Elections for that Supreme Court seat. The election was
in November, and so John Roberts response to Trump's post that, oh,
you just gotta follow the process is absurd. No process
is being followed here. You have got judges that are
overstepping their authority and stepping on the powers of the
executive branch with no constitutional basis and really nothing to
point out except for the fact that, well, we're gonna
just issue a temporary stay. We're just gonna issue a
temporary hold. Don't worry about it. Just follow the normal process.
What's the normal process here? Every executive action that comes
out of this White House is sued or is brought
to suit by the ACLU or some other left wing group,
and a Democrat judge immediately puts a temporary blocker stay
on it. That is anything but the normal process. These
are frivolous lawsuits. There is no basis, There is no
constitutional authority in most of these cases that have been
brought up over the last sixty days since Trump's been
in the Oval office. John Roberts has got a real
mess on his hands here, and I guess if he's
unwilling to do anything, then going back to some audio
from New Gingrich over the weekend that played for you yesterday.
If you missed the show, you check out the Pete
Calender Show podcast and listen to that. It's time for
Congress to step in, haul these judges in front of
a joint hearing of the House and the Senate and
have them justify their actions. Have them justify and point
out in statute in law in the Constitution where they
have the authority over the executive branch.
Speaker 4: It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2: If these judges want to misbehave, if they want to
act as if they are the individuals sitting in the
Oval office, they are the ones that are the chief
executive of the United States, then make them prove it.
And if they can do so great, everybody will stop
talking about it.
Speaker 4: But they can't.
Speaker 2: Because there is no legal authority, there is no grounds
to what they're doing. They're acting in a hyperpartisan manner.
Trump rightfully so calls them out. This response from John
Roberts is a joke. And I guess for individuals that
have followed the court over the last couple of years,
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Speaker 4: This is just a weak, weak.
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Speaker 2: We are talking about this battle. I kind of set
the stage for you yesterday morning or yesterday afternoon, rather
as this battle over activist judging is that are stopping
the current administration from using their executive authority to, as
Trump claimed in a statement earlier this morning, do things
that he was elected to do, like deal with immigration
over the last thirty minutes or so, Chief Justice John
Roberts released this statement saying, quote, for more than two centuries,
it has been established that impeachment is not the appropriate
response to disagreements concerning a judicial decision. The normal appellate
review process exists for that purpose. As I think a
very week week response from Chief Justice John Roberts, this
is a major issue that this country is going to
face from a philosophical question as to how we handle
powers of branches and powers of government going forward. In
his responses, you know, just follow the normal process. Just
follow it, right. It's as simple as that seven four
or five seven eleven ten is our hotline. That's seven
oh four or five seven eleven ten. Let's head on
over to line two. Ray is hanging on the line.
Speaker 4: Ray. Good afternoon on the Peak Counter Show with Nick Craig.
What's going on?
Speaker 5: Hello, Nick? Yeah, I watched that interview with Nick Gingrich
with Martin Levin the other night, and it would seem
to me that there's nothing to appeal as John Roberts.
But it because this didn't go through a you know,
arguments from two attorneys from both sides. It just seemed
to me like you know, how can you appeal like
a tyrannical judge making a decision like he's the president.
And also I think that Trump is causing the judicial system,
in particular the Supreme Court and John Roberts to have
to to have to face and deal with things like
other parts of the government. And you know, he's it's
just enough people all the way around. That's about my comment.
Speaker 2: Well, you make a very good point there, and I
talked about this yesterday. For example, this decision that we
were talking about over the weekend where this judge decided
that it was under he had the authority to stop
the president's attempts to deport individuals to foreign countries. This
was not a hearing airy decision in which he ruled
on the merits of the case, as you as you note, Ray,
he he issued a temporary stay immediately stopping this without
arguments from both sides, without any due process on the
issue at all.
Speaker 4: That's not the system. There's nothing to.
Speaker 5: Appeal, right, it was a no decision. It was just
you know.
Speaker 2: What you just said, it's it's a it's a situation
that's unfolding right now. Appreciate the call of this afternoon
right at seven oh four five, seven eleven ten. It's
a situation where there is no due process because a
decision has not been made, there's nothing to appeal. There's
a temporary stay in place. And as we know, the
wheels of justice, as I like to call him, the
very slow moving wheels of justice, do not handle these
issues expeditiously. And as I mentioned in the last segment,
using the North Carolina Supreme Court race as a great example,
that election was in November of last year. We're still
not even at the state Supreme Court. We're in the
appeals court where oral arguments are taking place this Friday,
it's the twenty first. We've got less than two weeks
left in the month of March, and we don't even
have a decision as to who won that race yet.
So how is John Roberts comments about ah, oh, you
just got to follow the normal process. That doesn't make
any sense to me at all. He is completely missing
the mark here, and it's because I truly believe he
probably doesn't want to deal with the issue. And to
raise point, Trump is is going to end up forcing
the hand of the Supreme Court one way or the other.
This the battle is being set up. The stage is
being set up right now where the executive branch aka
the current Trump administration is just gonna flat out start
ignoring these appellate judges and these district judges and just
say no, we're just not gonna do it.
Speaker 4: Take me to the Supreme Court, and then.
Speaker 2: We'll go forward with your with with with the case
at hand, the arguments that are going to be made.
That's how this is shaping out to play right now.
Back to our phone lines at seven oh four or five,
seven eleven ten, Brian is hanging online. One Brian, Welcome
to the Pete counter Show with Nick Craig. Good afternoon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it seems like things like that the judge is
exercising his authority because due process wasn't wasn't And I
think that's what John Robinson is saying. When you're saying
we'll go through the ordinary process, is due process because
you have legal aliens in the country. They still have
right in this country because we're in the United States.
That's why we are superior to other countries. So we
still have due process with that. Even though the executive
branch is saying, hey, we want to kick these people out.
You can kick them out, but you still have to
kick them out in an orderly and functional fashion that
represents our statute and laws. So agreed by the judge.
Probably did that.
Speaker 4: Well, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: But that's where this issue comes up, and that's where
the discussion about due process is really taking case. Because
the merits of this case, as I noted, had not
been and were not and still to this morning, have
not played out in the district court level. You have
a shotgun decision by a judge to put a temporary
stay on the executive branch, which unfortunately has happened a
whole bunch of times over the last sixty days. It's
happening with almost every executive order that this administration is
bringing forward.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because the executive branches run them up. It's not
adhering to what the laws of the land are. So
what laws we still have to adhere to the laws
the land?
Speaker 2: I hear you, Brian, So and this this is where
the frustration boils over. I think for a lot of people.
The judge in his ruling on Saturday, did not point
to anything illegally that the president was doing. He issued
a temporary stay, a temporary restraining of gorder against the decision.
He did not rule that Trump didn't have the authority.
He did not rule that the executive branch doesn't have
the authority. He decided that himself without hearing arguments from
both sides. And for the talk of due process, there's
no due process right now. There's a temporary stay in
place until this just judge decides to hear the case.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 6: Well, well, you know what I'm saying. You probably have
you can probably have corrections on both sides. But you know,
the thing about it is, I mean, I don't know, man.
It seems like those folks that that cheer for President
Trump or allied which President Trump, want to make him
a king of our country, and that's not what most
citizens want. We still have to follow the law, and
that's all we're saying. Now. You know, we you have
some cities that agree, which is immigrating policies and all
that stuff, and that's fine. You know, they voted him
into those purposes. But you still have to follow the law.
That's all I'm saying. But thank you, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I appreciate your colin. I agree.
Speaker 2: I think the president absolutely needs to follow the law.
And it's part of going back to the comments from
New Gingrich over the weekend. These judges need to be
able to explain where in the Constitution where the president
is in fact breaking the law. If they're going to
issue these temporary stays and they are going to completely
gum up the executive branch in their authority, that's I
think what That's what I'm asking for. I can't speak
for every single person. I'd love to hear your thoughts
on it. Seven oh four or five, seven oh eleven, ten.
I don't think. I don't know that I need all
of this to play out. I just want to know
why a judge is making this decision a shotgun quick decision.
If this is going on, where is the authority laid there?
Because if we want to talk about due is, if
we want to talk about following the law, then I
think we need to do it across the board, not
just selectively. And oh Trump is people want Trump to
be a king, so everything he does therefore needs to
be blocked by the courts. That's not a good enough
justification for me at all.
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Speaker 2: You'd like to be part of the show This afternoon
seven oh four, five, seven oh eleven ten. That's seven
oh four, five, seven oh eleven ten major decisions and
discussions taking place this morning into this afternoon over activists,
judges and their attempt to completely essentially overtake the executive branch.
We saw the decision Saturday from a US district judge
that ruled that the Trump administration did not have the
authority to deport individuals from the country. That US district
judge in James Bozenberg, who is the Chief Justice of
the United States Court of State Court for the District
of Columbia, is the individual in question. Now, in the
last break, I was looking at X and I see
a post here from Congressman Brandon Gill, who is out
of Texas's twenty second, twenty sixth rather congressional district. He
has filed and introduced articles of impeachment against the judge.
So that response is going on. Trump is calling for
the impeachment. John Roberts says, everybody, stop, it's called due process.
Speaker 4: Just follow it.
Speaker 2: This is a train wreck happening right before our very
eyes this morning. Let's jump back to the phone lines.
This afternoon, We've got a bill hanging online for Bill.
Good afternoon, You're on the Peak Calendar Show with Nick Craig.
What's going on? Billy there? All right, let's move on
to head on over to line one. Brian, Good afternoon.
You are on the Peak Counter Show with Nick Craig.
Good good afternoon.
Speaker 7: Hi, Hi Nick, thanks for taking my call. I just
had a comment from your previous caller who was His
topic was about following the law that the president of
night States has to follow the law. Sure were Where
was everybody when all this of legal immigration was going
on under the Buying administration? How come he didn't follow
the law? Where was the outrage in that?
Speaker 2: I think you are pointing out exactly the issue, Brian. There,
It wasn't any outrage in it, because it's all selective outrage. Unfortunately,
that's the system that we live in right now. It's
all selective and individuals decide whether they agree with the
law or not and if they're going to enforce it
or not. And regardless of what political party you're affiliated
with are associated with, you should find that to be
highly problematic for our nation going forward.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, there's no consistency.
Speaker 4: No, there's not, There's there's none at all.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly I think why Trump is going to
allow this battle to play out a great point this afternoon, Brian,
appreciate the call at seven oh four five seven oh
eleven ten. That's seven oh four five seven oh eleven ten.
Trump is going to bring this battle to the Supreme Court,
whether they want to deal with it or not. John
Roberts' response is a laughing stock to joke. He's not
taking the issue seriously at all, and I don't know why.
Regardless of your political party, you should be highly concerned
that unelected judges are making decisions as to how the
executive branch can operate without due process. They are making
these decisions without laying out to the American people, laying
out to the executive branch what the issue actually is.
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