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Speaker 1: On today's Wayekeller prog Wrestling post show, we jump back
Speaker 1: five years too, our Dynamite post show covering the Wednesday,
Speaker 1: July twenty six, twenty twenty one episode of AW Dynamite.
Speaker 1: Greg Parks joined me as co host, just as he'll
Speaker 1: be doing on the Flagship this Tuesday, our new episode,
Speaker 1: and we talked not only about the show and with
Speaker 1: live callers, but with four on site correspondent. There was
Speaker 1: excitement about attending live wrestling again after COVID shut things
Speaker 1: down for so long, and they talked about the hints
Speaker 1: of cm punk, the United Center announcement and how cmpunk
Speaker 1: could be utilized. Also, Hangman Page's failure to secure an
Speaker 1: aw title shot and what that means. Cody Rhads being
Speaker 1: booed against Malachai Black, a wild ten man tag match,
Speaker 1: opening the injury to Cash Wilder, the latest with Britt
Speaker 1: Baker's character and future title defenses, and much more so.
Speaker 1: Let's get to it again. This originally livestream five years
Speaker 1: ago this week on July twenty eighth, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: and it is today's five years ago. Down to my
Speaker 1: flashback for Sunday, July twenty six, twenty twenty six. Well, Greg,
Speaker 1: we had a wild opening ten man elimination take match
Speaker 1: to start off the show. We closed with Nick Gage
Speaker 1: against Chris Jericho in a crazy violent match for national
Speaker 1: cable television at least. But we got to talk about
Speaker 1: Darby promo and reference to Best in the World and
Speaker 1: the major massive announcement that they're coming to United Center.
Speaker 1: You don't go to United Center in Chicago if you're
Speaker 1: not super confident that you can sell some tickets. And
Speaker 1: there's a certain Chicago native who's been in the rumor,
Speaker 1: who's been the subject of rumors lately, who also was
Speaker 1: referenced by Darby right before that announcement. They basically without
Speaker 1: overtly advertising it confirmed they expect See M Punk to
Speaker 1: show up in Chicago. Is there any other way to
Speaker 1: interpret that, Greg.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I think, and I think
Speaker 4: at this point if there was any other way to
Speaker 4: interpret it, AW would be setting themselves up for a
Speaker 4: massive fall on that episode. Being in Chicago, teasing, as
Speaker 4: you said, see Them Punk with reference to Best in
Speaker 4: the World by Darby Allen and that promo and then
Speaker 4: not delivering on that episode would be an epic fail
Speaker 4: for AW, one that they've not really experienced to that level.
Speaker 4: I don't think thus far in their existence. You know,
Speaker 4: they've hyped up some wrestlers a little beyond maybe what
Speaker 4: they should have before, and now they're sort of downplaying
Speaker 4: one of the biggest acquisitions they could make, perhaps the
Speaker 4: biggest acquisition they could make at this point in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one. So it'll be interesting to see how it
Speaker 4: develops and if we get any more hints in the
Speaker 4: coming weeks leading into that episode of aw's new television show.
Speaker 4: By the way, so you know, if they wanted to
Speaker 4: really get people talking and get people to tune in
Speaker 4: to really pop that first episode's rating, what better way
Speaker 4: than to hint and then deliver that cmpunk is coming in.
Speaker 1: Is that the best way to do it, as opposed
Speaker 1: to overtly announcing it? And I'm wondering too, if they're
Speaker 1: just seeing how ticket sales going Monday with just the
Speaker 1: rumor mail and not announcing it, and if they go
Speaker 1: well enough, do they just not announce it and count
Speaker 1: on people just sort of knowing that that's or you know,
Speaker 1: safely thinking it's a safe bet and I need to
Speaker 1: be in the building for that. If they sell enough tickets,
Speaker 1: they might not need to overtly announce he's going to
Speaker 1: be there before cult a Personality plays or whatever song
Speaker 1: he comes out to. Is that a possible way this
Speaker 1: plays out? Is that why they're teasing it to see
Speaker 1: what ticket sales launch is like on Monday?
Speaker 4: You know, that certainly could be. I don't know if
Speaker 4: they would ever even if ticket sales lagged a little bit.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they would come out and say, Hey,
Speaker 4: by the way, see IM Punk's going to be there.
Speaker 4: I think maybe the references would get a little more obvious,
Speaker 4: so I think they would be planting the seed in
Speaker 4: a more obvious way. But I don't know that they
Speaker 4: would ever outright announce it ahead of time, just because
Speaker 4: there's so much more fun both for viewers watching it
Speaker 4: home and for the people in the arena if it
Speaker 4: is still somewhat of a surprise, even if you know
Speaker 4: that surprise is coming.
Speaker 1: It's It's amazing that you could debut sampunk on a
Speaker 1: new TV series on Rampage and maybe not announced it
Speaker 1: ahead of time, but have almost everybody know. I'm curious
Speaker 1: what what that viewership number will be for the debut
Speaker 1: episode immediately following SmackDown. You wonder if that w just
Speaker 1: dog it that Friday, just be like, let's let's just
Speaker 1: do a terrible shell. Let's let's let's announce terrible matches and.
Speaker 4: Baron Carbon versus King Knakamura again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean some would say that they maybe have.
Speaker 1: It's it's harder to it'd be difficult for them to
Speaker 1: do a better job making the announced matches seem less,
Speaker 1: less recycled and repetitive at the very least. So definitely,
Speaker 1: that's that ought to be a topic as we continue,
Speaker 1: before we pivot to introducing our and getting the live calls.
Speaker 1: What do you think of how the Nick gage AEW
Speaker 1: match against Chris Jericho worked in the ring and in
Speaker 1: front of the Charlotte fans.
Speaker 4: The fans seemed receptive. They seemed to know, if not
Speaker 4: who Nick Gage was, then what he brought to the
Speaker 4: table in terms of the violence that he was going
Speaker 4: to inflict and certainly did inflict on Chris Jericho. Jericho
Speaker 4: was a champ. He took he took the beating, he
Speaker 4: took the light tubes, he took the pizza cutters, he
Speaker 4: took just about everything from Nick Gage, and somebody the
Speaker 4: stature of Chris Jericho certainly doesn't have to do that.
Speaker 4: So he put Nick Gage over. And we don't know
Speaker 4: what the future of Nick Gage is in aew if any,
Speaker 4: but you know, this was not you know, this didn't
Speaker 4: give the impression that here's a guy we're going to
Speaker 4: bring in and Jericho's gonna beat him quickly or anything
Speaker 4: like that, and then we're going to discard him.
Speaker 5: You know that set.
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's a place for Nick Gauge
Speaker 4: full time going forward in aw You know, he was
Speaker 4: I was surprised they held off on the violence for
Speaker 4: so long. I mean it was only maybe like two
Speaker 4: or three minutes, but you know, you could see the
Speaker 4: Gauge when it came to actually wrestling and executing maneuvers
Speaker 4: and selling and things like that. Selling of the actual
Speaker 4: wrestling moves, Gauge was a bit, you know, he was
Speaker 4: a bit a step behind, I think, in terms of
Speaker 4: what you've come to expect from wrestlers on the national
Speaker 4: stage on national television when it comes to that. But
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was a huge detriment to the match.
Speaker 4: The awkwardness almost added to in some way. It almost
Speaker 4: added to the lore of Nick Gauge, I think, as
Speaker 4: much as anything else in this match. So, you know,
Speaker 4: you go into a match with Nick Gauge hoping for violence,
Speaker 4: especially one that is noticed qualification as this was, And
Speaker 4: I thought for a national television on TNT, it was
Speaker 4: pretty far on the spectrum of being violent and what's
Speaker 4: acceptable on national broadcast television these days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious to see what the broader reaction is.
Speaker 1: I felt that the fans in the building, by a
Speaker 1: pretty wide margin, didn't pop for him. Either they didn't
Speaker 1: know who he was or they'd kind of heard about him,
Speaker 1: but they were going against Jericho, who they love, so
Speaker 1: they weren't quite sure how to react. I think there
Speaker 1: was some tension in the crowd or like a sense
Speaker 1: of anticipation, but not like, holy crap, we get to
Speaker 1: see him. You know, when I bought tickets, I didn't
Speaker 1: know he's going.
Speaker 6: To be here.
Speaker 1: This is great, this is gonna be wild. Like when
Speaker 1: you compare it to the crowd for the GCW show, like,
Speaker 1: this was not a Nick Gauge crowd, and I thought
Speaker 1: he kind of had to work hard throughout the match
Speaker 1: to get some response. And ultimately, if you don't know
Speaker 1: the legend of Nick Gage, and I just don't have
Speaker 1: a read on how much of a niche audience it is,
Speaker 1: it's a significant niche audience. I mean, there's hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of views combined, you know, out there for his
Speaker 1: match on Saturday against Matt Cardona, the former Zach Ryder.
Speaker 1: A lot of people watched and watched handheld cameras and
Speaker 1: post shows on it and all that. So I'm not
Speaker 1: denying that. But in Charlotte on this night, it didn't
Speaker 1: seem to me like the To me, I think if
Speaker 1: you didn't know who Nick Gage was, you'd think, well,
Speaker 1: this guy's you know, he's something else, but sort of
Speaker 1: maybe a poor Manzadi Kingston. If you're an AEW fan
Speaker 1: looking through that.
Speaker 4: Lens, yeah, I guess. You know, the pops maybe were
Speaker 4: more for the weapons that he brought out. I know
Speaker 4: that the light tubes got a big pop, so maybe
Speaker 4: that was more for him. But I think you're right.
Speaker 4: I think when you have Nick Gage in a match,
Speaker 4: even on TNT in twenty twenty one, you're sort of
Speaker 4: waiting around for the weapons, right You're not interested in
Speaker 4: seeing Nick Gage chain wrestle with Chris Jericho in the
Speaker 4: main event. And you know, I think it speaks to
Speaker 4: Tony conn and his confidence either in Chris Jericho or
Speaker 4: in the Gage or both to give them so much
Speaker 4: time in the main event of Dynamite. You know, there
Speaker 4: was another very big match on the show and open
Speaker 4: the show. They could have just as easily made evented
Speaker 4: with that if they didn't have the confidence in fans
Speaker 4: to recognize who Nick Gage was, or for Jericho to
Speaker 4: get a reasonable match out of Nick Gage in the
Speaker 4: main event, so they could have swapped those two matches.
Speaker 1: I don't think they could have because I do not
Speaker 1: think you can run that match well their first hour,
Speaker 1: So that's fair.
Speaker 4: I guess to me, it's just you know, if you
Speaker 4: look at the card from a Star Power standpoint, this
Speaker 4: was not the only match that could have made evented.
Speaker 4: So the fact that they did go with it and
Speaker 4: all the violence that was associated with it, I think
Speaker 4: still was a thumbs up and giving it so much time.
Speaker 4: Like I said, you know, I think they started the
Speaker 4: entrances maybe twenty minutes left in the show, So this
Speaker 4: was not something they just tried to get on there
Speaker 4: and get passed just to get it over with in
Speaker 4: the main event.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So I'm real curious, like I said, what
Speaker 1: the reaction is among our callers and emailers. Speaking of which,
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Speaker 4: Yeah, happy to be here on such a newsworthy I
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Speaker 1: Yes, how was your vacation by the way, it was wonderful. Wonderful.
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Speaker 1: seeing a punk Eric Glad that you called. Great to
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Speaker 1: lot to do with the women's match, I'll guess.
Speaker 5: Thanks Wade, Hi Greg, You guys are fat.
Speaker 6: I just I had it was so much to process tonight.
Speaker 6: The thing I want to talk about is the booking
Speaker 6: of Adam Page.
Speaker 7: He didn't win.
Speaker 6: Uh So the main what we all kind of assumed
Speaker 6: maybe was the main event for all out Paige in
Speaker 6: Omega is as of now not happening, and I'm not
Speaker 6: sure how they get back there because if that is
Speaker 6: double plan, I mean, they have potentially two high profile
Speaker 6: signings coming in, so they could just go straight to
Speaker 6: see him punk Kenny Omega on a three week build
Speaker 6: it all out, But I was really looking forward to
Speaker 6: Paige in Omega, and the entire rest of the show
Speaker 6: was just I was upset. I mean, I've been this
Speaker 6: emotionally invested in pro wrestling since Omega and Okada, the
Speaker 6: match where Omega on the belt years ago in Japan,
Speaker 6: so I guess I'm looking at the psychology of it.
Speaker 6: If if it were a heel situation, he could just
Speaker 6: attack the baby face, and the babyface champion says, I
Speaker 6: know he lost the MA stipulation match, but gosh darned
Speaker 6: and I'm pessed off. I want him in the ring
Speaker 6: right away. I want him in the ring. It all
Speaker 6: out in the title match. He's getting his title match
Speaker 6: because I want to beat the hell out of him.
Speaker 6: The Page is the face. So the psychology to do
Speaker 6: something like that, an angle like that doesn't work. I mean,
Speaker 6: all this may be irrelevant now if it's if it's
Speaker 6: just gonna be the CM punk show, But.
Speaker 5: What what was your guy?
Speaker 6: How could they get back to Paige Omega if that
Speaker 6: were the case?
Speaker 8: Or am I just being naive?
Speaker 6: And there's probably no way that that's now cast off
Speaker 6: and to the side, and we're gonna have to wait
Speaker 6: a year or two for the conclusion to that the
Speaker 6: Elite versus Page story.
Speaker 1: So my take in EXCaliber noted that you know, hang
Speaker 1: on page lost earlier tonight, he moves out of the
Speaker 1: number one connector spot. In that same uh paragraph, he said,
Speaker 1: you know that Christians right number three kind of dropping
Speaker 1: the hint of a possibility if Christians to win here,
Speaker 1: that could move him up and maybe he's going to
Speaker 1: be the number one contender. I did not take Page
Speaker 1: losing unless I'm What was the was the stipulation that
Speaker 1: if he lost, he doesn't get a title shot air Yeah, overtly.
Speaker 6: The whatever Dark Order tag team doesn't get the.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah. So I mean the thing and the
Speaker 1: reason I say that is EXCaliber said it moves him
Speaker 1: out of the number one contender position, but he didn't
Speaker 1: say explicitly it eliminated him from getting a title match,
Speaker 1: and so I to me, like it just I don't
Speaker 1: think the average viewer watching the show, unless I missed
Speaker 1: some emphasis, would necessarily see that result as like conclusive.
Speaker 1: Yet if it was a way bigger deal should have
Speaker 1: been made of it, you know, because I'm sitting here thinking, well,
Speaker 1: it's a step back, but it doesn't eliminate So, Greg,
Speaker 1: what was your take on how they presented that and
Speaker 1: did you did you have kind of the same reaction
Speaker 1: as Eric.
Speaker 4: Did a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I I the Eric kind of went out of my
Speaker 4: balloon when Adam Paige lost there. I was figuring that
Speaker 4: they would use it as continuing his momentum towards all
Speaker 4: out to eventually face Kenny Omega for the title. Now,
Speaker 4: the presence of cmpunk, the potential presence of Daniel Bryan
Speaker 4: Brian Danielson in AW in the next several weeks or
Speaker 4: months could complicate that. But I think the crowd reaction
Speaker 4: to Adam Page tonight, and since crowds have returned and
Speaker 4: mass has should have solidified in the minds of AW
Speaker 4: decision makers that they are on the right track in
Speaker 4: getting Adam Paige ready to face Kenny Omega at the
Speaker 4: next pay per view. I think that's the right way
Speaker 4: to go. I think, you know, this has been a
Speaker 4: long journey for Adam Paige, and I don't know if
Speaker 4: you want to tease the Omega stuff again only to
Speaker 4: pull it back and make that journey even longer, because
Speaker 4: I think you risk more so than any other point
Speaker 4: during this run. You risk fans trying to get off
Speaker 4: the ride a little bit, you know, and and thinking
Speaker 4: that this was going to be that moment for Adam Paige,
Speaker 4: and now it's like, oh no, we have to wait
Speaker 4: aget because Christian is going to get his journey. And
Speaker 4: I don't think there's anybody really clamoring for Christian to
Speaker 4: get a shot over Adam Paige, even if it's the
Speaker 4: story that aew is telling. So you know, this is
Speaker 4: I see it as a little bit of a bump
Speaker 4: in the road, you know, as you said, Wade, they
Speaker 4: they certainly did not hammer this throughout the show. You know,
Speaker 4: this was in the first the first match, and if
Speaker 4: it had such big repercussions, as you know we're thinking
Speaker 4: here that a whole that would have been something that
Speaker 4: they would have revisited throughout the show. So the fact
Speaker 4: that they didn't tells me it just may be a
Speaker 4: bump in the road for Adam Page. That another thing
Speaker 4: that he has to overcome in order to get to
Speaker 4: Kenny Omega at all.
Speaker 1: Out two other quick notes, and i'll throw back to York.
Speaker 1: The crowd was going nuts for Hangmen, and we got
Speaker 1: an on site note from from Kevin who said, the
Speaker 1: crowd here is hot for everything tonight. People have been
Speaker 1: chanting for Hangman since the Dark Elevation taping earlier. So
Speaker 1: he's got other notes from there, but he said, this
Speaker 1: is the best life show I've ever been to. In
Speaker 1: addition to some other things, we'll get to later. But
Speaker 1: if the crowd is that hot for Hangman and you're
Speaker 1: like Ceampunker Daniel Bryant, and Tony's like, well if I signed,
Speaker 1: if I pay this much money to get him in,
Speaker 1: I want to strike while it's hot. I want to
Speaker 1: set a pay per view by rate record. I love
Speaker 1: Hangman Page. He's my guy, and he's going to be
Speaker 1: my guy. But he's young, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: have you know, Punk or Brian, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: hover doing matches and in storylines at angles like Christian
Speaker 1: Cage that could cool him off. I don't want to
Speaker 1: take a detour like Miro did into some self indulgent
Speaker 1: sidebar thing. Obviously Punk and Brian are bigger deals in
Speaker 1: Christian or Miro. But nevertheless, he might be thinking, let's
Speaker 1: just strike while we can't. Well, they aren't hot, Let's
Speaker 1: just do this in a big way right away. I
Speaker 1: find Punk or Brian though I would, especially Punk. I
Speaker 1: guess maybe you don't worry about Chicago, but you know,
Speaker 1: as a crowd gonna be a little sour if you
Speaker 1: take something away from their guy does see him Punk
Speaker 1: become the batista to Daniel Bryan in this situation, where
Speaker 1: it Backfarres. I doubt it, but but I throw that
Speaker 1: out there. So Eric, any any thoughts or follow up
Speaker 1: on any of that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean so the stipulation, I guess.
Speaker 5: I guess language matters.
Speaker 6: The stipulation was that if page in the dark order,
Speaker 6: one page would get earn a shot at Omega's world title.
Speaker 6: In duk dark order would get the tag team title shot.
Speaker 6: So I guess, yeah, it wasn't a given that was
Speaker 6: getting a title shot. From your point where I think,
Speaker 6: I'll be hugely disappointed and and I feel I feel
Speaker 6: like they didn't. They didn't pay a storyline the way
Speaker 6: they normally do.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: One of the things that's satisfying about AEW's booking is
Speaker 6: it tends to progress if even if it's progressing in
Speaker 6: ways you can see, you often get that satisfying ending.
Speaker 6: And the page coronation would be the logical conclusion of
Speaker 6: this given how much he's over. As Greg noted, I'll
Speaker 6: quickly say the main event was not for me. It
Speaker 6: was just kind of gross and repulsive. I was prepared
Speaker 6: for the I thought I was prepared for the pizza cutter.
Speaker 5: Spot, but clearly I wasn't.
Speaker 6: I just had a certain way.
Speaker 7: It's just not my thing. And then.
Speaker 6: I am wondering if on August twentieth at Rampage at
Speaker 6: the United Center, which is they're looking to sell eighteen
Speaker 6: to twenty thousand tickets to that, assuming with COVID cases
Speaker 6: on the rise, there's not a rollback and they have
Speaker 6: to sell fewer at the very least, I imagine there'll be
Speaker 6: a mass an end date in place by the time
Speaker 6: August twenty throws around in Chicago. But I think he
Speaker 6: popped for cmpunk coming out to his music in Chicago.
Speaker 6: We have the loudest pop I've ever heard, eclipsing Cody
Speaker 6: versus Nick all this at all In and Hogan climbing
Speaker 6: out of the cage versus Paul Orndorf at the Rosemont
Speaker 6: Horizon back in I think eighty six. And then and
Speaker 6: then my final thing. Jim Ross watched tonight.
Speaker 9: God is he awful.
Speaker 6: He called Julia Hart green, which was true, but I'm
Speaker 6: not sure she needs to be buried by the announced
Speaker 6: team on national TV like that. She didn't have to
Speaker 6: be put on National TV. They put her on Dynamite.
Speaker 7: Right, and that match was pretty rough.
Speaker 6: And then he also said during the opening match that
Speaker 6: page had pinned Omega and Kallous, you know, quickly got
Speaker 6: in his grill and his heel fashion to cover for
Speaker 6: that air. But you know how many more weeks of
Speaker 6: Tony Kam'm gonna let Jim Ross pull focus from the
Speaker 6: action with his mistakes in his crankiness before he talks
Speaker 6: to him or you know, reduces his role to an interviewer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny too, because other than those moments, I
Speaker 1: thought Ross and I thought recently he's been more energized.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I think that just coincides with going back in front
Speaker 1: of live crowds and not being in the hot, outdoor
Speaker 1: Jacksonville arena that I think made him grumpy, and I
Speaker 1: think he'd lost some energy, and there was sort of
Speaker 1: a casual repetitive repetitiveness and also maybe a sense at
Speaker 1: times the show doesn't matter that much in the bigger
Speaker 1: course of things. I think he comes across as more energized,
Speaker 1: and I think when he's not doing his worst work,
Speaker 1: he's doing his best work in aw if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I think there's a to me. I think as a
Speaker 1: counterpoint to what you pointed out, which is factually correct
Speaker 1: and not good. I mean the green thing. You know that,
Speaker 1: I don't know that every person sees that as like
Speaker 1: a derisive term as much as just a factual statement.
Speaker 1: He always agreen she's a rookie, not that she's bad.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong on that, and
Speaker 1: may people see green as more of an insult than
Speaker 1: I do, and it matches more with you, But in general,
Speaker 1: I think Jim has been better the last few weeks
Speaker 1: and showing the value he has when he's doing good work. Greg,
Speaker 1: I'll throw to you and then you Eric. You can
Speaker 1: also reply to dr of Us or bothos.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I sort of agree with your interpretation of the
Speaker 4: term green. I think in professional wrestling it's been used
Speaker 4: derogatorily so much that I think that's just how we
Speaker 4: see it now. You know, we see these big, you know,
Speaker 4: muscle bound wrestlers over the years who've been described as green,
Speaker 4: and we automatically attach something negative to it when it's
Speaker 4: not necessarily inherently a negative term. I thought he was
Speaker 4: at his best tonight in the main event, probably just
Speaker 4: because I think he was genuinely disgusted by some of
Speaker 4: that stuff was going on. So, you know, I'll give
Speaker 4: them points for that, But yeah, there are some weeks
Speaker 4: where it's just it's it's really rough to listen to him,
Speaker 4: and you kind of wonder, you know, he can be
Speaker 4: valuable to AW with with the number of years he's
Speaker 4: been around professional wrestling and the number of jobs that
Speaker 4: he's had, you know, is there a better place for
Speaker 4: him in AW in terms of some sort of management
Speaker 4: or behind the scenes role that may not be announcing
Speaker 4: each and every week. Maybe it's just announcing main events
Speaker 4: of Dynamite, maybe it's just announcing pay per views. Maybe
Speaker 4: it's you know, scaling back some of his announced duties
Speaker 4: so he's only on for the most important stuff where
Speaker 4: he really seems to shine as opposed to some of
Speaker 4: the other matches where uh, you know, he's I don't
Speaker 4: know if if he comes across as disinterested sometimes or
Speaker 4: grumpy or whatever the case may be. That's not really
Speaker 4: a descriptor you use for any other announcers in the business.
Speaker 4: And I think if Jr. Had not had the track
Speaker 4: record that he's had, that, you know, he would have
Speaker 4: a lot shorter leash for for some of this. But
Speaker 4: he is a legend and I think that Tony Kahn
Speaker 4: more than anyone else that we've seen lately in the
Speaker 4: wrestling business does want to treat the legends respectfully and
Speaker 4: I and I don't know if he's even entertained the
Speaker 4: idea of taking Jim Ross off commentary.
Speaker 1: Eric anything else from you in response to that or
Speaker 1: another topic, No that I think.
Speaker 6: I just want to say, I think the August in
Speaker 6: September might be among the most exciting periods and wrestling
Speaker 6: possibly since Hollanish jumped.
Speaker 7: I mean, I had a donut.
Speaker 6: Hole in my Repling fandom of about fourteen thirteen, fourteen
Speaker 6: years you know, wait, but ate the family.
Speaker 5: But it's super exciting.
Speaker 6: So it's just gonna be you know, pins and needles
Speaker 6: for the next two months, I think.
Speaker 1: And what percentage of that is not AW for you?
Speaker 6: Oh, it's all okay, I mean aw, it's a little
Speaker 6: bit of it's almost all the AW. But it's a
Speaker 6: little bit of New Japan. And how does that all work?
Speaker 6: And the open door stuff? How does that shake out?
Speaker 6: And I that's you know, I would love it if
Speaker 6: the main roster WWE was watchaful week to week, right,
Speaker 6: we all benefit from that if we've got you know,
Speaker 6: but what w W do you eas?
Speaker 5: Response?
Speaker 1: I just asked because I thought maybe you're sup excited
Speaker 1: about Goldberg or Scena or something, so I was just
Speaker 1: making sure, you know, and you said yeah, But but
Speaker 1: I I would have put money on you.
Speaker 6: I'd be super excited if WWE strapped a rocket to
Speaker 6: some really good wrestler who could do pro who's kind
Speaker 6: of a total package and UH and made them their
Speaker 6: new star, right so they didn't have to bring in
Speaker 6: Sena and UH and Goldberg. That would be great and
Speaker 6: maybe maybe that maybe this, you know, the excitement the
Speaker 6: next two months and a w big TV ratings and
Speaker 6: and or big paper view buy rates will sperm and
Speaker 6: sick Man to finally do that, finally clean up the
Speaker 6: mess in his very financially successful house.
Speaker 1: Yep, awesome, Eric, thanks for calling and kicking off the show.
Speaker 4: Thanks yep you Greg, thank you.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's jump to our first on site correspond
Speaker 1: Who is either in the building still or left after Dynamite.
Speaker 1: I believe we got Eric Another Eric calling us who
Speaker 1: was in at tennis tonight. Eric, is this you?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Hey Wade, this is me. Hey, I'm already home.
Speaker 8: So I'm afraid I missed what was happening with aw Dark.
Speaker 1: But yeah, cool. Cool that one hundredth episode. You can
Speaker 1: watch it on YouTube on Tuesday. Cool. So, first of all,
Speaker 1: health or not, I said you can. I'm not assigning
Speaker 1: you such a duty.
Speaker 11: Eric.
Speaker 1: First of all, thanks for coming, good, Thanks for calling in, Greg,
Speaker 1: and I will bombard you with some questions. We won't
Speaker 1: take too long, in part because we just have so
Speaker 1: many people on hold. I want to chime in on
Speaker 1: tonight's show, but we'll definitely get your take on this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how full was the arena tonight?
Speaker 8: So it was about ninety full I think, compared to
Speaker 8: the last show that we had in the Bojangles Coliseum,
Speaker 8: which was in October or early November of twenty nineteen,
Speaker 8: which I think was about sixty percent full. This was
Speaker 8: a considerably larger crowd than we had last time in Charlotte.
Speaker 8: So I don't know what that is due to. If
Speaker 8: it was, I know, excuse me, Matt Hardy was doing
Speaker 8: sort of some local press in the last.
Speaker 12: About week and a half.
Speaker 8: But they definitely sold more tickets in Charlotte this week
Speaker 8: than they did in twenty nineteen, and that.
Speaker 1: Is to me more relevant than even how big the
Speaker 1: crowd is, although that's certainly an important metric. Is are
Speaker 1: they throwing more or less yeah than last time? So
Speaker 1: that's really important to know. I'm dying to know what
Speaker 1: was Where were you sitting roughly, and what was your
Speaker 1: take on the reaction to Nick Gage? Did people absolutely
Speaker 1: know who he was and go as crazy for him?
Speaker 1: Or it was more of an oddity of curiosity, let's
Speaker 1: see what this guy's all about? Kind of describe it
Speaker 1: in your words.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so we were in the upper deck on the
Speaker 8: hard opposite from the hard camera side, not on the
Speaker 8: not probably in the area that the camera captured. But
Speaker 8: we were up, i don't know, about three quarters of
Speaker 8: the way up on the side there, and there were
Speaker 8: certainly the rows behind us were also full, although I
Speaker 8: had a few sits next to me that were empty,
Speaker 8: so it wasn't one hundred percent filled in where we were.
Speaker 8: People seem to know who Nick Cage was. There were
Speaker 8: several M d K signs in the crowd, and it
Speaker 8: seems like those those that didn't were sort of willing
Speaker 8: to go along with those that did know who Nick
Speaker 8: Gage was to sort of think that he was somebody important.
Speaker 8: I think, I mean, for what it's worse, I think
Speaker 8: more people knew who Nick Gage was than knew who
Speaker 8: Kanahashi was when he came on the on the video
Speaker 8: screen to challenge the winner of the iw G P
Speaker 8: US Championship.
Speaker 1: Yep, I'm not surprised by that. I mean, just given
Speaker 1: you know, I mean obvious ACNA she's better on forever
Speaker 1: and as a legend, but just given the recent buzz
Speaker 1: and some YouTube numbers and you know, just a conversation
Speaker 1: these days, you know, nick Age is a flavor of
Speaker 1: flavor of the the month or the era, however you
Speaker 1: want to however narrow or broad you want to make it.
Speaker 1: You know, the documentary certainly introducing him to a lot
Speaker 1: of people too.
Speaker 8: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg, I jump on in with a question or
Speaker 1: two for Unsye correspondent Eric.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to go back to the first match
Speaker 4: of the show. Just a hot crowd for that that
Speaker 4: tag match. What was the reaction to Adam Page losing.
Speaker 4: Did you sense some steam getting let out of the
Speaker 4: crowd at that point or were they pretty consistently hot throughout?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it. I think it did. Loop. It
Speaker 8: did really some theme from the crowd. We were all
Speaker 8: really excited for that match.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 8: We got there during the Dark Elevation taping before the show,
Speaker 8: and Tony Khan came out a little bit during that
Speaker 8: I guess before the Elevation Dark main event and said
Speaker 8: that we would be starting with the ten man as
Speaker 8: the as the main event, So people are not very
Speaker 8: excited for that. I do think the crowds energy dropped
Speaker 8: after that first match, you know, I sort of I
Speaker 8: turned to my buddy that I saw the show with
Speaker 8: after after the str quite and powerful match, and I
Speaker 8: was like, oh, I should probably rewatch that match because
Speaker 8: I wasn't paying quite as much attention, so I thought
Speaker 8: it might be I don't know, if it was sort
Speaker 8: of a case of the opening match was such a
Speaker 8: big deal that we were all invested in it and
Speaker 8: sort of at the end of it, you know, we're
Speaker 8: sort of spent in terms of the energy that we had,
Speaker 8: or if the bookie of the end of the match
Speaker 8: was sort of what led to that. But there was
Speaker 8: sort of a moment after that where it's we're like, oh, man, like,
Speaker 8: what do we do now? And the energy was not
Speaker 8: up in the room quite as high as it had
Speaker 8: been after that first match, although we did come back
Speaker 8: a little bit when when during the main.
Speaker 1: Event, Okay, yeah, gohig, Greg another question otherwise I can yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, you.
Speaker 4: Know, you mentioned the tana Hashi thing, and and that
Speaker 4: was another big piece of news that we haven't even
Speaker 4: gotten to yet. Tonight as he faces he'll face Lance Archer,
Speaker 4: the winner of the Archer Versus Hiccolo match tonight on
Speaker 4: on Dynamite. The reaction for tana Hashi, you know, when
Speaker 4: you see stuff on the video board watching at home
Speaker 4: that's being shown on the video board and the arena.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's hard to gauge the crowd reaction to tana Hashi.
Speaker 4: But what was your kind of your impression to the
Speaker 4: reaction to Tanahashi.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I would say like about thirty percent of
Speaker 8: the audience was.
Speaker 6: Hyped for that.
Speaker 8: They saw us kind of Hashi come up on the
Speaker 8: screen and it was like, oh, this is this is
Speaker 8: a major thing, right, Like, there's certainly that segment of
Speaker 8: the aw audience that knows New Japan, knows who the
Speaker 8: major players are and sees this as.
Speaker 12: A big thing.
Speaker 8: And then the rest of the audience, you know, I
Speaker 8: would say like maybe for fifty percent had no idea
Speaker 8: who Tanahashi might have been. Another twenty percent of the
Speaker 8: audience might have been like, oh, I've heard of this guy.
Speaker 8: And then there was a thirty percent of the audience
Speaker 8: that was enthusiastic and on their feet of whom was
Speaker 8: tana Hashi was on the screen. So, you know, I
Speaker 8: know sometimes on these podcasts, we we'll talk about there
Speaker 8: being the sort of like like a vanguard or a
Speaker 8: taste maker kind of an audience that that that knows
Speaker 8: these international connections in the wrestling world who might lead
Speaker 8: the rest of the audience to get hyped about saying
Speaker 8: so like that that that matches with my experience, Right.
Speaker 8: It's certainly not everybody who was there in this arena
Speaker 8: and knew who tan Hashi was, But there was a vocal, enthusiastic,
Speaker 8: sizeable minority who did know who kind of made noise
Speaker 8: for it, and then that might have gotten other people
Speaker 8: to sort of say, like, oh, yeah, this is somebody
Speaker 8: that we should pay attention to. This is not uh,
Speaker 8: you know, just sort of some random international star that's
Speaker 8: coming in. This is like somebody major, some major player. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the term vanguard. I say bell Weather fan.
Speaker 1: I've said influencer, but vanguard sounds way more cool. I
Speaker 1: would rather be a Vanguard fan than a yeah influencer
Speaker 1: or a bell Weather So.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, like influencers are up on TikTok ban cards,
Speaker 8: are the revolutionarys that are showing the way for how things.
Speaker 1: Ought to be exactly. I may borrow that going forward.
Speaker 1: I'll see if we'll see if I remember tomorrow, so
Speaker 1: there's a good chance I'll keep using it.
Speaker 8: So you absolutely have my permission to use that language.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Eric, So, yeah, I felt that the great covered.
Speaker 1: I thought the steam kind of seemed to come out
Speaker 1: of the building for FTR into ten on Orts. It
Speaker 1: was a tough spot to be in, even with a
Speaker 1: buffer with with U, which.
Speaker 8: Is a shame because it's a shame because FTR are
Speaker 8: you know, relatively local boys, right they're they're they're from Ashville,
Speaker 8: North Carolina, which is, you know, like an hour and
Speaker 8: a half two hour drive from where we were today
Speaker 8: when we saw them here, oh four or five years
Speaker 8: ago as part of the n XT show, Like they
Speaker 8: were clearly our hometown boys that we were cheering for,
Speaker 8: even though they were heels, and so it was a
Speaker 8: bit of the reaction to Night was a little bit muted,
Speaker 8: I thought in relation to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious about the placement of the match, because
Speaker 1: you could have put Lance Archer in that spot. You
Speaker 1: could have shaken things up and not had the women
Speaker 1: in the you know, the match before the main event
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the second hour spot. Even the
Speaker 1: six man tag with Private Party and Company that the
Speaker 1: Matt Hardy and Company, that could have worked. So, yeah,
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Speaker 1: anything that surprised you tonight in terms of crowd response,
Speaker 1: either more or less in a significant way than you
Speaker 1: would have forecast going in.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So the main event for Dark Elevation spoiler folks to
Speaker 8: fast forward if you don't want to hear this spoiled
Speaker 8: was Darby Allen was in that match, and Darby Allen
Speaker 8: got absolutely one of the biggest props of the night
Speaker 8: he was. It was maybe not quite as big as
Speaker 8: what Hangman and the Dark Order got for that match,
Speaker 8: but it was certainly a major major pop that he got.
Speaker 8: Sting was there also for that match, so some of
Speaker 8: it was Staying and some of it was Darby Allen,
Speaker 8: But it surprised me how into that act the crowd was.
Speaker 1: Was there anything less Like, do you think there's a
Speaker 1: wrestler who would be disappointed in how the crowd reacted
Speaker 1: to them tonight?
Speaker 8: Let me think about that for a second. I mean
Speaker 8: I got a probably SPR right. I thought that spr
Speaker 8: would have gotten more of a reaction.
Speaker 13: Just because of their history.
Speaker 8: In the region and and sort of being you know,
Speaker 8: if you're from here, you kind of know that those
Speaker 8: guys are mostly local boys, right, They've they've worked the
Speaker 8: indies around here before they went to d XP and everything.
Speaker 8: So their reaction was a little bit muted, but again
Speaker 8: a tough spot because they were coming after that ten
Speaker 8: man match. But I think all of us who were
Speaker 8: going into the show was kind of assumed would be
Speaker 8: the main event match.
Speaker 1: In the main event with Jericho engaged, was there a
Speaker 1: sense that it was going too far for a lot
Speaker 1: of people, Like when the pizza cutter came out and
Speaker 1: got utilized, there was a response from some people on
Speaker 1: the floor opposite our camera that just it was like
Speaker 1: cringed and like I want to look, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to. Did this seem like a bloodthirsty crowd that
Speaker 1: loved that style or did it seem like maybe aw
Speaker 1: is going a little too far, at least based on
Speaker 1: the Charlotte crowd rerection.
Speaker 8: So honestly, it was a little bit hard to tell
Speaker 8: from where I was sitting. I was in road w
Speaker 8: of my section, so pretty far back, so it at
Speaker 8: least from where I was sitting, given the amount of
Speaker 8: beers that I'd had up to that point, the kind
Speaker 8: of visceral nature of the Pizza cutter spots might have
Speaker 8: felt a little bit muted to me personally. People seem
Speaker 8: to certainly be into the moments when he brought out
Speaker 8: the light tubes and more I mean for me personally,
Speaker 8: more so than than than the pizza cutter. The light
Speaker 8: tubes are kind of the cringe inducing moment. I haven't
Speaker 8: seen the David Arquette documentary, right, Like, like knowing that
Speaker 8: it was not the pizza cutter, but but the light
Speaker 8: tube that went into our cat's jugular, that's the kind
Speaker 8: of neck gage moment that I'm like, we really want
Speaker 8: to be seeing this, right. I was kind of happy
Speaker 8: that I wasn't in the front road to be inhaling.
Speaker 13: That kind of.
Speaker 8: Glass dust that gets that that happened when when you
Speaker 8: break those, so you know, take it with a grand
Speaker 8: assault and maybe the other the other on site correspondent
Speaker 8: will happen to say about the if he or she
Speaker 8: was closer to the ring from way in the back
Speaker 8: where we were sitting, it was Yeah, it didn't seem
Speaker 8: like too far, but you know, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 8: we're we're inared to that.
Speaker 1: But the crowd was a crowd just going completely crazy
Speaker 1: like this is a great I can't believe I'm here
Speaker 1: for this Or was it like something less than that?
Speaker 13: Oh?
Speaker 8: No, I think we were excited about it. Like so
Speaker 8: my my buddy and I turned to each other like like,
Speaker 8: how did we accidentally go to a death match? Right? Like,
Speaker 8: that's neither of our particular styles of of of of
Speaker 8: what we like in uh in pro wrestling. It's really
Speaker 8: not what we saw from a e W about a
Speaker 8: year and a half ago. A little bit more than that,
Speaker 8: I guess, Yeah, it's not what we seek out, but
Speaker 8: it was still kind of like an interesting spectacle.
Speaker 13: To be at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's or anything else you want to share, Eric,
Speaker 1: before we move on other callers here.
Speaker 8: The line for the merch was way longer on the
Speaker 8: way and than I thought it would be. There was
Speaker 8: a long, long line for the merch and there was
Speaker 8: absolutely more merchandise in the stands this time than there
Speaker 8: was last time that they were in Charlotte. Like I said,
Speaker 8: bigger crowd, more merch. It seems that I mean kind
Speaker 8: of kind of and trivily and way. You would know
Speaker 8: this better than I, since you keep track of things
Speaker 8: like the TV ratings. But whatever the TV ratings were
Speaker 8: like in October November, I remember exactly what it was
Speaker 8: that they were here less than Charlotte. The live crowd
Speaker 8: was absolutely bigger, and I think they were spending more
Speaker 8: money on it, so you know whatever that might mean
Speaker 8: for aw's business, Like, they have more momentum than.
Speaker 7: I was expected in the half.
Speaker 8: I was expected to go into a building that was
Speaker 8: about the same level, you know, about sixty percent full,
Speaker 8: which which is what I think it was last time. Yeah,
Speaker 8: or maybe a little bit less than that given concerns
Speaker 8: over COVID, But it was more than that. So yeah,
Speaker 8: there there there is some momentum going on here. So
Speaker 8: you know, to to your thesis and Todds and other
Speaker 8: people who have said this right that it wouldn't be
Speaker 8: surprising if AW is sort of will be overtaking the
Speaker 8: ww's business in the next few months or in the
Speaker 8: course of the next year. Like there is some evidence
Speaker 8: here that that there's this kind of grassroots grounds well,
Speaker 8: and how that turns into other kinds of business metrics,
Speaker 8: it's an open question, I suppose. But yeah, just in
Speaker 8: terms of being their life tonight, that there was more people,
Speaker 8: they were more excited. I think they were spending more
Speaker 8: money on the merchandise, and so that's that. That all
Speaker 8: augurs well for aw's next year.
Speaker 1: I think, Eric, what what'd you pay for your upper
Speaker 1: deact ticket, Because part of having merchandise money is you
Speaker 1: don't get gouged for the actual things.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was seventy two bucks and we weren't we
Speaker 8: weren't in the upper upper deck. We were sort of
Speaker 8: three quarters of the way up. About seventy dollars after
Speaker 8: fees is what we ended up paying for our tickets.
Speaker 8: I didn't buy any merch this time, but I've bought
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Speaker 1: All right up, next we'll go to nine to one
Speaker 1: two nine one two, Thanks worlding go it. State your
Speaker 1: name and where you're calling from.
Speaker 7: Uh, yeah, this is David from Brunswick, Georgia, probably an
Speaker 7: hour north of Jacksonville there.
Speaker 1: Awesome, thanks for calling. Uh David, what do you think
Speaker 1: of Dona White tonight?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 7: I was only I've caught bits and pieces of it.
Speaker 15: I work night shift, so I'm typically listening to it,
Speaker 15: but I caught the the gauge.
Speaker 7: Jericho back, yeah, and I.
Speaker 15: Guess the the uh My biggest question is it seems
Speaker 15: like you know this for labor number two, I should
Speaker 15: admit for you know, labor number five. You know, I
Speaker 15: feel like it kind of went to such an extreme
Speaker 15: that you're not gonna.
Speaker 7: Be able to top it.
Speaker 15: And I just kind of wanted to get you guys
Speaker 15: opinion on what you think about it, you know, uh,
Speaker 15: you know, being number two, you know out of out
Speaker 15: of five.
Speaker 1: There, Yeah, Hove and Tude. I wouldn't say we're bearing
Speaker 1: the lead by not bringing it up by now because
Speaker 1: it maybe maybe it's number seven, eight nine or ten
Speaker 1: on Tonight's show with so many things going on, but
Speaker 1: a cool name for the Monight Night War era, a
Speaker 1: time that, uh that Tony Khan is fond of and
Speaker 1: they like to do callbacks. And I thought it was
Speaker 1: good use of that, uh Hoove in Tude reference with
Speaker 1: Jericho and MGF and the conceptions story for MJF. If
Speaker 1: not for Hoove and two, there'd be no MGF. Greg.
Speaker 1: Your your take on what David brings up in terms
Speaker 1: of the sequence of this, does it necessarily have to
Speaker 1: get worse each time or does it just have to
Speaker 1: be like really different each time to avoid not seeming
Speaker 1: like it's in the wrong order, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: It does seem like they're going more for different than difficult,
Speaker 4: because yeah, if you're looking at it that way, tonight's match,
Speaker 4: it's hard to imagine a fifth labor being more violent
Speaker 4: than this match. So this would have, I think, easily
Speaker 4: fit for number five. I don't know, maybe they have
Speaker 4: a plan for who number five is and it's a
Speaker 4: big name or some major stipulation or something like that.
Speaker 4: Maybe there was a fear that introducing Nick Gage to
Speaker 4: the audience is the fifth labor. You know, some people
Speaker 4: would have not believed, even though it would be a
Speaker 4: violent match, that Jericho wouldn't be able to get passed
Speaker 4: to this guy who's never been on national television before.
Speaker 4: So maybe that's the thinking. But it really does make
Speaker 4: you wonder what do they have planned for number five
Speaker 4: because the first three are all very different in terms
Speaker 4: of not only match styles but opponents, with who would
Speaker 4: two Guerrera coming up next week? So it does I
Speaker 4: think add a lot of intrigue to not only who
Speaker 4: number five will be, but also what number five will entail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm less strong, feeling like it has to get incremental,
Speaker 1: like decisively incrementally worse as much as it's just five
Speaker 1: difficult hurdles I have, especially for the first four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the fifth one I ought to feels special,
Speaker 1: like I don't think Whoventude could pass as a fifth
Speaker 1: one if Nick Gage is number two, you know, like,
Speaker 1: but huve Intude being number three out of the first
Speaker 1: four before the grand finale, I think it's fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think ultimately it kind of will all kind of
Speaker 1: be a blur and blend in once we get there. David,
Speaker 1: any follow upon that or any other.
Speaker 7: Topics, No, I just I just want to say I
Speaker 7: appreciate all the content.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: I listened to you with Gray quite a bit. I
Speaker 7: go the Hozzi what I can, and definitely everybody else
Speaker 7: go the yatt.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. David. I'll call again when you get
Speaker 1: a chance. All right, thank you, you bet all right?
Speaker 1: We'll go next to Ken in Milwaukee. Ken, good year
Speaker 1: for me again. What do you think of downa By tonight?
Speaker 5: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I was going to Greg Ivan called with Greg on
Speaker 3: the line.
Speaker 4: Ever, well, I'm glad to be here. Always loved talking
Speaker 4: Dynamite and good talking to you.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 3: Well, I enjoyed the show tonight. I applaud aw it
Speaker 3: seems like a wrestling show, which I mean good or
Speaker 3: bad segments. It keeps me interested in looking for more.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess a really good part of tonight,
Speaker 3: especially at the beginning, was I'm definitely invested in I'm
Speaker 3: definitely invested in a hangman like really like an investment,
Speaker 3: like how I felt maybe with Punk and Brian years ago,
Speaker 3: whereas I feel like it was very deflating when he lost.
Speaker 3: I was still holding out hope, but at the same
Speaker 3: time a little relieved because I think with Punk and
Speaker 3: Brian on the horizon, it would have bigfoot. It would
Speaker 3: bigfoot him at the next pay per view if he won,
Speaker 3: and then he's overshadowed by Brian and Punk. So I
Speaker 3: guess that leads me into this point. With Brian and
Speaker 3: Punk coming, I feel like there's some difficult booking scenarios
Speaker 3: on the horizon for a w I don't know how
Speaker 3: you integrate two of two names of that caliber, especially
Speaker 3: when I think in the past few months they've introduced
Speaker 3: I don't know how many other new names that ideally,
Speaker 3: I think you want to get your money out money's
Speaker 3: worth out of and they should be going over right,
Speaker 3: like Malachi Black Andrade and even Christian Cage. At this
Speaker 3: point it feels like that was supposed to be a
Speaker 3: big sign and at this point he no one wants
Speaker 3: him even in the upper mid car to let alone
Speaker 3: main event Pitcher. So how do you guys do you think?
Speaker 3: How is it possible? Especially if Punk comes in against Darby.
Speaker 3: Darby's a big babyface. Unless Punk's coming in to endorse Darby,
Speaker 3: I only see it kind of hurting Darby even being.
Speaker 12: In that situation.
Speaker 3: With Punk's first appearance, I think the crowd is going
Speaker 3: to be just so heavy on Punk's side. So how
Speaker 3: and is it even possible for them to integrate Brian
Speaker 3: and Punk without bigfooting some homegrown talent or even this
Speaker 3: recently acquired bunch.
Speaker 1: The only date that I heard on Brian was I
Speaker 1: think mid September, So if Punk comes in in August,
Speaker 1: he kind of gets the feel to himself. I have
Speaker 1: not heard what punk schedule is going to be. You know,
Speaker 1: if it's a short term program and he becomes the
Speaker 1: guy that he was critical of, you know ten years ago,
Speaker 1: who pops in for a big payday as a legacy star,
Speaker 1: or if he's just going to be in every week
Speaker 1: part of the grind, you know, moving in and out
Speaker 1: out of a top you know, one or two spot.
Speaker 1: I don't know, so that remains to be seen. But
Speaker 1: if Punk comes in, does a program with somebody significant
Speaker 1: and then disappears until around the next pay per view
Speaker 1: and then comes in, like, there's a way to weave
Speaker 1: him in but not have him get in the way
Speaker 1: of Daniel Bryan having his moment. And you don't want
Speaker 1: to be WCW when they had Chris Jericho, for example,
Speaker 1: but were preoccupied with stars of the past and didn't
Speaker 1: know what they had in Jericho. Or going back further,
Speaker 1: Steve Austin when Eric Bischoff didn't see a lot in
Speaker 1: him and didn't think anybody at the time did, even
Speaker 1: though I was writing about it, even though Paul Hayman
Speaker 1: on my radio show, granted he was managing Steve at
Speaker 1: the time, but framed Steve as a as a future
Speaker 1: top top centerpiece act who would be the number one
Speaker 1: star in this business, and he did that well. He
Speaker 1: was stunning Steve long before he was stone cold. You
Speaker 1: don't want to be that, you know, you don't want
Speaker 1: to make that mistake of your Tony Kahan. Get in
Speaker 1: enamored with a shiny toy that's been a national TV
Speaker 1: star and has a high Q rating with the casual fans,
Speaker 1: and ignore the homegrown story that's being told with Hangman
Speaker 1: Page and in Charlotte, North Carolina tonight was he was
Speaker 1: the guy that everybody was most crazy for. So it's
Speaker 1: a good problem to have. You don't want to turn
Speaker 1: down signing Punk and Brian. But I think what you're
Speaker 1: saying and Greg out get your comments, is Tony's got
Speaker 1: his work cut out for him to manage. It's like
Speaker 1: having a basketball team with you know, four all stars
Speaker 1: who all want minutes two at the same position, Like
Speaker 1: you have got to figure something out. And that's the
Speaker 1: challenge right now for Tony. But again, it's a good challenge.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he welcomes it well.
Speaker 4: First, I would caution and say that I don't think
Speaker 4: Darby Allen is saying best in the world in his
Speaker 4: promo definitively means he's going to be feuding with CM
Speaker 4: punk or will be confronted by CM punk whenever Punk debuts.
Speaker 4: I think there were a few oblique references to or
Speaker 4: opaque references, I should say too Punk tonight one of them.
Speaker 4: I think, even an MJF promo at the end where
Speaker 4: he used a line from Cmpunk's pipe bomb promo. So
Speaker 4: I think that which one was that?
Speaker 1: By the way, what was the line?
Speaker 4: Oh, I'd have to go back. I saw it on Twitter.
Speaker 4: I hope go back and get it. But I think
Speaker 4: it was something about Jericho sitting there in the most
Speaker 4: pain he's ever been in his life. But you know,
Speaker 4: I think AW has done a nice job throughout its
Speaker 4: run of sort of making putting guys on islands and
Speaker 4: having each feud feel separate and different from everything else
Speaker 4: going on within the show. And they've also done a
Speaker 4: really nice job of rotating feuds throughout shows. Some of
Speaker 4: those feuds get the top of the second hour, some
Speaker 4: of them get main events, but they don't always get
Speaker 4: the main events spot. You know, we've seen Chris Jericho
Speaker 4: wrestling as many opening matches as we have in main events,
Speaker 4: and I think probably the same goes for the young Bucks.
Speaker 4: It's not like ww BE where every main event of
Speaker 4: Raw has some combination of Lashley or dramagatire for the
Speaker 4: last six months, you know. So because of that, I
Speaker 4: think it does feel like more people are on a
Speaker 4: more level playing field in the hierarchy of AW. And
Speaker 4: I think because of that, it's easier to slip in
Speaker 4: a CM Punk or a Brian Daniel when you don't
Speaker 4: have to say to yourself, if you're Tony Kahan, Okay,
Speaker 4: how do I fit Cmpunk's feud and Cody Rose's feud
Speaker 4: and Kenny Omegas feud in the main event of Dynamite
Speaker 4: every week? Well, you don't have to. You know, you
Speaker 4: can still make them feel special by putting them throughout
Speaker 4: the show. And now AW has a second show that
Speaker 4: they're going to be able to utilize a lot of
Speaker 4: these talent on will It remains to be seen if
Speaker 4: AW will treat it as just as big of a
Speaker 4: deal as Dynamite, or if fans will see it as
Speaker 4: just as big of a deal as Dynamite. But they
Speaker 4: do have rampage where they can siphon off some of
Speaker 4: those extra talent and some of the feuds that maybe
Speaker 4: don't get enough fair time each week on Dynamite and
Speaker 4: let them breathe a little bit on Rampage.
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Speaker 1: All right, anything you want to add ken to that
Speaker 1: or a different topic.
Speaker 3: One more question and I'll let you guys go back
Speaker 3: to the world title picture. With Hangman, I feel like
Speaker 3: he has to at some point when he can't have
Speaker 3: the match and lose, and he has to beat Kenny
Speaker 3: Omega because the story has been going on at least
Speaker 3: with the tag team thing and the Elite since Dynamite began,
Speaker 3: and the crowd is so behind them. I'm afraid, and
Speaker 3: maybe I'm looking at it through a lens of being
Speaker 3: pessimistic after you know, watching WWE or something, that he
Speaker 3: would have this match lose and it would be you know,
Speaker 3: something about getting heat for the for a Brian fuse
Speaker 3: or something like that. I feel like he will be
Speaker 3: hurt that will follow him if he doesn't win this match.
Speaker 3: So I guess the last question is, do you guys
Speaker 3: think that.
Speaker 5: It's a must win for Hangman.
Speaker 3: He must win and he must be Kenny Omega.
Speaker 1: Well, I've talked about that, and I think if you're
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan, yes, the concern you bring up Ken is
Speaker 1: is I don't know if vital is the word, but
Speaker 1: certainly relevant, but also if Kenny seems to be clicking.
Speaker 1: And I mean I was as critical of Kenny and
Speaker 1: the Bucks as you know, probably any one of a
Speaker 1: semi prominence in the podcasting wrestling jurnalism realm, based on
Speaker 1: what just felt like they were just kind of floating around,
Speaker 1: living off the reputation and people finding over them and
Speaker 1: not really finding a groove. And I've like flipped on
Speaker 1: the Bucks for sure in terms of their hail persona
Speaker 1: and every week their ring entrance has become a show
Speaker 1: onun to itself. They're they're putting tons of thought into
Speaker 1: their ring gear, which was not the case for the
Speaker 1: first you know, year plus year and a half. Kenny
Speaker 1: Omega just seems to be having a blast. I think
Speaker 1: he's booed by the live crowd in a big way
Speaker 1: and and that's that's fine, you know, that's understandable. He
Speaker 1: also is battling injuries and he seems to be in
Speaker 1: just better shape now just you know, the contours of
Speaker 1: his physique look more like main event Kenny than you know,
Speaker 1: you know, fat contract happy Kenny chilling out and being weird.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I I think you might want to
Speaker 1: stick with Kenny with the title if you think you can.
Speaker 1: You know, we've a good storyline of page, you know,
Speaker 1: fighting from underneath. You don't want to play that story
Speaker 1: out too long. But but I don't know that you
Speaker 1: had that that you just for the sake of hang man,
Speaker 1: especially with a lineup of opponents. You know, when you
Speaker 1: look at the heel and face lineup, does Danny Brian
Speaker 1: come in as a heel? You know, does he want to?
Speaker 1: Brian is kind of Jericho esque in the sense of,
Speaker 1: you know, he might want to reinvent himself and he
Speaker 1: wants to keep things interesting for himself. And I would
Speaker 1: would not rule out that he comes in his heel
Speaker 1: and Punk. Probably not right away, but he might think kay,
Speaker 1: and maybe right away. I mean he had there was
Speaker 1: some derisive back and forth with him and Cody and
Speaker 1: the Bucks, and you know, when Punk was a bigger
Speaker 1: deal than the Bucks and Cody, he was like, they
Speaker 1: pretend we're better friends than we are. They're trying to
Speaker 1: use my name to make it seem like I might
Speaker 1: committ a w like that. That was, if not overtly
Speaker 1: said the implication he could come in and probably turn
Speaker 1: the fans against him pretty quick, so all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you would have, you know, Hangman, page against, He'll take,
Speaker 1: then page against, he'll Daniel Bryan. That those are possible,
Speaker 1: But I think it's more likely that those two names
Speaker 1: come in as faces, and Kenny's your top heel, and
Speaker 1: eventually you turn Cody heel, probably before those two. I
Speaker 1: don't I shouldn't say probably. At this point, you can
Speaker 1: do so much that you can have a top tier
Speaker 1: opponents for all of them, So I don't think you
Speaker 1: have to, but I agree with the with the consideration
Speaker 1: that it might be too much to not have Paige
Speaker 1: win and then a Page wins and you take it
Speaker 1: away from him two months later. You know he got
Speaker 1: to the top and couldn't stay there. That might be
Speaker 1: worse than not winning, and the crowds are so in
Speaker 1: a hang Man, you can create your own star, and
Speaker 1: Kenny confued without a title and still be a big star.
Speaker 1: So maybe that is the tipping point. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a really interesting decision from Tony Kahan. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's weighing factors beyond the ones that I just brought up.
Speaker 1: Greg your thoughts on that topic.
Speaker 4: When you eventually run the Adam Page versus Kenny Omega manche,
Speaker 4: I think you've got to have Paige win. I think
Speaker 4: having Omega win is it's overthinking the situation. It's trying
Speaker 4: to do too much, it's trying to outsmart yourself a
Speaker 4: little bit. I think the only reservation I have about
Speaker 4: that is what you brought up. When you bring in
Speaker 4: guys like Punk and Brian, do you want to have
Speaker 4: them go against Omega the champion before you get to
Speaker 4: Adam Paige, and I think it would be very difficult
Speaker 4: to pad things out further and have Adam Page sort
Speaker 4: of hanging on the line waiting for Omega to face Punk,
Speaker 4: waiting for Omega to face Danielson and presumably beat them both,
Speaker 4: which I think it would be difficult to do it
Speaker 4: in and of itself, and then have them face Adam Page.
Speaker 4: The alternative, as you said, would be Page beats Omega.
Speaker 4: Omega eventually goes into a match with Punk or Danielson
Speaker 4: without the title being on the line, which is fine.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything really wrong with that, other
Speaker 4: than there are very few wrestlers who if you're not
Speaker 4: gonna go with Page. There are very few wrestlers who
Speaker 4: can realistically, in the fans' minds, beat Omega right now
Speaker 4: for the title, just because he's built himself up as
Speaker 4: this belt collector so much that I think Punkin and
Speaker 4: Danielson are two guys who people view as believable in
Speaker 4: beating Kenny Omega. So certainly a lot to consider, but
Speaker 4: I think ultimately for me, it comes down to sometimes
Speaker 4: the obvious is the right move, and to me, the
Speaker 4: obvious is having Page beat Omega and pay off this
Speaker 4: long storyline.
Speaker 1: All right, Ken back to.
Speaker 3: Oh that's about it. I'll keep the streak going. Go
Speaker 3: Vip well worth it and I'll like you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you go.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Ken, thanks so much. All right, I
Speaker 1: don't need to do this, but three four seven two
Speaker 1: one five eight five five eight is the number. Push
Speaker 1: one on your keypad when you call. We'll be by
Speaker 1: Friday night after SmackDown. I am tentatively planning to attend
Speaker 1: SmackDown on Friday. Zat Cadorn will be in my place hosting,
Speaker 1: but I should be part of the show by being
Speaker 1: the on Psyche correspondent. If you're also attending in Minneapolis, though,
Speaker 1: give me an email or drop me an email and
Speaker 1: let me know and I'll pass along as that because
Speaker 1: we always like to get more than one perspective from
Speaker 1: different parts of the building. And it's not a lock lock.
Speaker 1: I'll be there. So uh, let's go next to Shane
Speaker 1: in Detroit. Shane, thanks for calling, Thanks for holding so long.
Speaker 1: What do you think it down to by tonight?
Speaker 2: Hey waiting, Greg?
Speaker 16: How are you tonight?
Speaker 1: Good? Good?
Speaker 7: Good good?
Speaker 16: Yeah, dynamite It.
Speaker 7: Was great tonight.
Speaker 16: I mean, you know, you guys already hit on hanging
Speaker 16: in and Dark Lost quite a few times already, but
Speaker 16: that was disappointing. I am curious to see what they're
Speaker 16: going to do next with it. Obviously, I see punk news.
Speaker 11: You know, as long as it's what it's looking like
Speaker 11: it is, that's obviously great for the debut of Is
Speaker 11: that the debut episode of Rampage in Chicago?
Speaker 1: I think so? Is that right, Greg?
Speaker 4: But yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, So.
Speaker 16: That's that's obviously a great land for them after he's
Speaker 16: been in the standoff for seven years with going back
Speaker 16: to wrestling.
Speaker 7: But otherwise, you.
Speaker 16: Know, like I said, it was a great show. I'm
Speaker 16: just wondering what is the status of Uh it was
Speaker 16: cash Wheeler his arm. There was that spot where he
Speaker 16: found the ring post, and it looked a little brutal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was holding that arm and like pressing against it,
Speaker 1: so it looked like he got cut. Greg any any
Speaker 1: perspective on what you saw on TV, there.
Speaker 4: No just look very painful. It did look like a cut.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure you know how serious it was or
Speaker 4: anything like that. That might be a question for one
Speaker 4: of our live callers if we get another one, is
Speaker 4: you know, what was the reaction postmatch to Wheeler and
Speaker 4: how was that injury dealt with?
Speaker 1: Obviously in that match, it was kind of it was
Speaker 1: a little flatter crowd wise than they wanted because the
Speaker 1: crowd it seemed kind of beat from that marathon ten
Speaker 1: men tag. But also obviously they didn't go to the finish.
Speaker 1: It's weird seeing a tag match that ends with one
Speaker 1: guy doing a move against one guy. That's not a
Speaker 1: good thing. By the way, that should happen more often.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't seem like, Wow, something's really wrong here. Somebody
Speaker 1: must be hurt when one guy beats one guy in
Speaker 1: a tag match. I mean, most of the time. It's
Speaker 1: fine to have a double team move obviously, but probably
Speaker 1: more exceptions here and there would be good. Uh So
Speaker 1: it didn't go as planned. I didn't. I just picked
Speaker 1: up on on Cash not being involved. And then when
Speaker 1: he was pressing his arm, my take was he was
Speaker 1: bleeding from you know, that there was some sort of
Speaker 1: artery that got cut or something that was bleeding pretty
Speaker 1: bad and he had you know, he looked concerned but stable,
Speaker 1: and three medics tending to him. Didn't seem to me
Speaker 1: like there was a type of injury that's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's going to need surgery as much as it was
Speaker 1: a cut. But that's just me watching on TV without
Speaker 1: any any knowledge at this point of anything from on site.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, it just it wasn't easy to tell
Speaker 11: from you know, watching on TV.
Speaker 16: But anyways, you know, the and then the Nick Gage
Speaker 16: and Jericho match, you know, I know you guys have
Speaker 16: also discussed whether or not maybe it was a little
Speaker 16: bit more on the hardcore side, maybe a little bit
Speaker 16: garbage wrestling style.
Speaker 2: It wasn't.
Speaker 7: It wasn't too bad.
Speaker 11: I mean, we've seen stuff like this.
Speaker 16: In aw several times where it's a little bit more
Speaker 16: on the extreme side, I personally enjoy it, but that's
Speaker 16: maybe just the attitude era influence that I enjoy seeing.
Speaker 11: In the AW.
Speaker 1: Greg just in general, what's your vibe on AW right
Speaker 1: now interaction to kind of Shane's framing up it as
Speaker 1: what it means to him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think coming back with the crowds has really
Speaker 4: helped AW as I think we all thought it would.
Speaker 4: You know, I think AW crowds before the pandemic, we're
Speaker 4: pretty hot for the product in terms of reactions and
Speaker 4: how it came across on television, and that helps, you know,
Speaker 4: it helps the viewers at home get the impression that
Speaker 4: it's a hot product when the live crowd is reacting
Speaker 4: strongly to it, as they've done for AW shows for
Speaker 4: quite a while. So it's you never know if you're
Speaker 4: AW or even WWE what you're booking is like during
Speaker 4: the pandemic, AW got a little better impression of what
Speaker 4: the fans thought because they were admitting more and more
Speaker 4: fans into Daily's place in Jacksonville as things went on.
Speaker 4: But you know, touring is a whole different thing as
Speaker 4: opposed to playing in front of the same audience over
Speaker 4: and over again. NXT can attest to that. So it's
Speaker 4: a feather in aw's cap that they're still able to
Speaker 4: get these strong reactions out of the pandemic. That means
Speaker 4: what they did booking wise during the pandemic worked. And
Speaker 4: so you know, fans want to watch a hot product.
Speaker 4: They don't want to sit at home and watch a
Speaker 4: product that they perceive to be not popular or flat.
Speaker 4: And AAW is coming across so far as anything but.
Speaker 1: All right, very good, Shane, any closing words for you
Speaker 1: before I move on to another call.
Speaker 16: That's all I have for tonight, But again, thank you
Speaker 16: for taking my call and get out of your way
Speaker 16: for other calls.
Speaker 1: Sure, thanks, thanks, she I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: I just saw RNSI correspondent Luke call and then drop off.
Speaker 1: So Luke, if you are still listening, feel free to
Speaker 1: call back in and just push one on your keypad
Speaker 1: when you do call in, and we'll be sure to
Speaker 1: get to you as soon as we wrap up with
Speaker 1: Oh there he just did again, so maybe hit two twice.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go to our other on site correspondent, Luke,
Speaker 1: and then we've got eight o four on deck and
Speaker 1: Nick and Jay and Ed and Chris on Javier still
Speaker 1: on hold. I think I covered everybody who haven't got
Speaker 1: to yet, but let's begin here with Luke. Luke, thanks
Speaker 1: so much for calling in.
Speaker 19: All right, yeah, great show, and I we touchded somebody
Speaker 19: earliers in the building.
Speaker 1: They said it was like ninety five percent full of
Speaker 1: all the seats that they could have sold. Go go
Speaker 1: ahead with your take on that.
Speaker 20: No, yeah, it was definitely full.
Speaker 19: It was so when I when I walked up, it was,
Speaker 19: I was, it was so full because when I walked up.
Speaker 13: It was like whoa.
Speaker 19: People were waiting outside and it was it was people
Speaker 19: were surprised that it was such a big weighty.
Speaker 1: I I'm in particular interest. Did he get your take
Speaker 1: on what happened with Nick Gage and Chris Jericho in
Speaker 1: terms of how much the crowd reacted to Nick from
Speaker 1: your perspective, did they know who he was or they
Speaker 1: excited to see him, or was he more of a
Speaker 1: curiosity or people just didn't know what didn't care? And
Speaker 1: then what was your sense of how the crowd reacted
Speaker 1: to the match. Did they get more into it or
Speaker 1: were they turned off by that level of violence? Your
Speaker 1: take on that, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: It was a big match for sure. People love Nick Gauge.
Speaker 21: It was.
Speaker 22: I mean, it was.
Speaker 7: It was definitely a big match for sure.
Speaker 3: Like people were.
Speaker 19: Into it and I just you know, I sat by
Speaker 19: someone and and he was like, hey, Nick Gage is here.
Speaker 19: I mean he said, yeah, it's a big match.
Speaker 7: So it was it was, it was, it was definitely.
Speaker 1: Right, Great, do you want to jump into the question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked earlier about the FTR match and cash
Speaker 4: Wheeler getting hurt on the outside, it seemed like they
Speaker 4: went to the finish pretty quickly when you were watching
Speaker 4: that match. Could you tell what went wrong in that match,
Speaker 4: how injured Cash Wheeler was, or what the aftermath was
Speaker 4: in terms of the medics attending to him after the match.
Speaker 23: Well, whatever they did, they definitely did it good, because
Speaker 23: I couldn't tell. Really, it was kind of like whatever
Speaker 23: they did, it was kind of quick, so it seemed
Speaker 23: kind of weird, so I wasn't sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was hard to tell watching TV exactly what
Speaker 4: the what the injury was or or how serious it was.
Speaker 7: I guess, right, right, right.
Speaker 1: Look, did you pick up from the announcement about the
Speaker 1: United Center show and Darby Allen that they were hinting
Speaker 1: at Sampunk being at that Chicago show next month and
Speaker 1: and you know, were there CM punk chance, you know,
Speaker 1: like overtly or was there a pop in the crowd?
Speaker 1: It was hard to tell on television how much people
Speaker 1: picked up on that being a pretty overt hint.
Speaker 20: Oh, yeah, that's a yeah, there was definitely I I
Speaker 20: honestly were a seem puncture and it was definitely a
Speaker 20: thing for sure.
Speaker 1: Was there a chance for him at any point?
Speaker 20: There were no, There were no chants, There weren't any
Speaker 20: chances I.
Speaker 7: Could pick up on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 19: The biggest thing was was Jericho, but biggest pop.
Speaker 7: Yeah, biggest pot for Jericho for sure, But.
Speaker 19: Nothing that nothing that I could of like, you know,
Speaker 19: pick you know, I mean like there's no nothing in
Speaker 19: particular that I could say that was first seem poker Brian.
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's kind of just like it was like a
Speaker 23: normal you know. I mean I've never been to a Dynamite.
Speaker 1: But overall have you been to Delao B shows before?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, I've been plenty of of w shows I've
Speaker 20: been to, like were a Rumble and SummerSlam and stuff
Speaker 20: like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what was different about Dynamite? Like what how
Speaker 1: would you describe to somebody who hasn't been to a
Speaker 1: Dynamite but been to a lot of w W shows
Speaker 1: like you? What what felt different?
Speaker 24: Uh?
Speaker 1: Just completely different vibe, different fans or did it feel
Speaker 1: like w W ten years ago? What what stood out
Speaker 1: to you?
Speaker 25: Oh?
Speaker 22: Yeah, it was it was awesome because uh, like if
Speaker 22: Rawl was coming here, I would not have come here,
Speaker 22: like for real, Like it's just how you know, I mean,
Speaker 22: like the vibe of Dynamite was so good and you know,
Speaker 22: you know.
Speaker 19: I yeah, I rad and kind of lately, but.
Speaker 7: You don't say tonight it was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a Uh, it was hard to tell
Speaker 1: how big of a pop Lance Archer got coming out.
Speaker 1: We talked to Ronsie correspondent earlier in the show, but
Speaker 1: just about everybody else. But I then ask about him,
Speaker 1: what where would you rank him? Was it like half
Speaker 1: the response that say Cody and Jericho and Hangman got
Speaker 1: or was it in the in the mix of the
Speaker 1: top tier?
Speaker 20: Okay, yeah, Lance Archer definitely got a good pop.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 20: It was Yeah, Lance Archer definitely got a good pop.
Speaker 7: He was. He was definitely part of the top tier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, anything else you want to share with us.
Speaker 1: We're running along and we got more callers and I
Speaker 1: don't want to keep it too long either, but anything
Speaker 1: else in particular from your experience tonight you want to.
Speaker 19: Share, Oh yeah, it was just aw is definitely a
Speaker 19: great show, and there's like there's a lot of people
Speaker 19: like it's it's it's a different, vibrant WW like.
Speaker 7: I've been to w W shows.
Speaker 19: I've been to like throw Rumble pay per views, but
Speaker 19: it was it was a fun vide and I definitely
Speaker 19: was like and uh when I first got to got
Speaker 19: to the building, it was like packed, like I had
Speaker 19: just stay outside nose like, yeah, you're getting in the pavilion.
Speaker 19: People are excited about going. Yeah, I'd say about it.
Speaker 1: Cool, awesome, Luke, thank you for calling us and sharing
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Speaker 1: Thanks for calling what'd you good DNAI tonight?
Speaker 25: I was going away and Greg, Oh, the show obviously
Speaker 25: was good in that the the main event. Yeah, it didn't.
Speaker 25: It missed its mark. It wasn't the goryness or whatever.
Speaker 11: It was just it was just bad.
Speaker 25: And I guess what Jericho was going for his finish,
Speaker 25: but it was really just a back bump and he
Speaker 25: pinned and that's how Gauge gets pinned. That seemed kind
Speaker 25: of weird. And unless I missed it through the whole thing,
Speaker 25: why didn MJF just jump in help beat up Jericho
Speaker 25: and then Gauge could a pen him right? And wouldn't
Speaker 25: I know, it kind of ends everything and what not,
Speaker 25: But isn't wouldn't that be the point?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you could have no rules in the match.
Speaker 1: I guess you could argue on Jeff just felt like
Speaker 1: one nick age can do it himself, and he just
Speaker 1: was more confident too. I think the idea would be
Speaker 1: MJF doesn't want to be anywhere near the ring with
Speaker 1: all that all that broken sharp glass and you know
Speaker 1: the blood, and it's just like you could imagine him thinking, hey,
Speaker 1: I dressed, I dressed. I didn't dress for the occasion.
Speaker 1: I didn't pressed for the occasion, and I brought a
Speaker 1: guy who should be able to do it himself. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you can argue, and I mean we're kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, talking sort of about the instant reaction to
Speaker 1: the show, but you can kind of step back and
Speaker 1: go was MGF upset enough about it?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: He was like, you know, his check's not gonna clear
Speaker 1: if he doesn't kick out, And he ultimately didn't kicked
Speaker 1: out at three and a half. He pulled the deal
Speaker 1: where you get pinned, but you kick out right after
Speaker 1: the three count, which is not a big deal. I
Speaker 1: don't think Tony con should be upset about it, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't like flat out knocked out. He can kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, say I visited someone else's territory and took
Speaker 1: on their top star and took him to the limit
Speaker 1: and and the rest count was fast. If he wants
Speaker 1: to even address it, Yeah, Greg, your your thoughts on
Speaker 1: that aspect of it though. Should MGF have been more
Speaker 1: upset by the loss as just immediately pivoting to the
Speaker 1: next week and not really selling the loss as much?
Speaker 25: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was kind of wondering if they were running
Speaker 4: along in the match too, and you know, going to
Speaker 4: the finish sort of awkwardly knowing that they had to
Speaker 4: get MJF out there to announce next week's stipulation and
Speaker 4: everything like that. I think I'm with you Wade in
Speaker 4: terms of I don't think MJF would want to sully
Speaker 4: his hands by getting involved in a match like that,
Speaker 4: even if it meant that he would never have to
Speaker 4: face Acris Jericho again, just because And also the fact is,
Speaker 4: you know, he's got three more labors to throw at Jericho,
Speaker 4: so even if this one doesn't work out, you know,
Speaker 4: he could be more confident in some of the other
Speaker 4: ones he has lined up.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, anything else.
Speaker 25: Share the Also, I thought this was or just funny
Speaker 25: gauge ways the same same weight.
Speaker 5: As the Autumn Coal, but with.
Speaker 25: Who is it? Hangman Page? I understand he is the
Speaker 25: guy Todd Omega, but he really the guy to is
Speaker 25: he gonna? I mean, is he really somebody's going to
Speaker 25: carry the company as the champion? It's like, on one end,
Speaker 25: is he is he like Bobby Rude? Where the and
Speaker 25: obviously he's better than that, don't get me wrong, But
Speaker 25: the whole the fans are with them with the glorious thing,
Speaker 25: and then it just kind of goes nowhere or you know,
Speaker 25: is he beyond that? Because I don't know. I just
Speaker 25: I just feel and I'll go, actually, I'll just run
Speaker 25: this real quick for you can move on to be Omega.
Speaker 25: He misses the mark with me, and his look now
Speaker 25: especially just comes off as just he doesn't come off
Speaker 25: as a star. It's just that pleasy guy. And I
Speaker 25: know he's a heel and all that, but it just
Speaker 25: looks like a sleazy guy who's not the star in
Speaker 25: the show. He's the you know whatever, you know, your manager,
Speaker 25: and a TV show that is you know, not even
Speaker 25: a supporting actor. He's like a supporting supporting supporting actor.
Speaker 25: And I don't know, he just misses the mark. So
Speaker 25: his title reign has not been I don't I.
Speaker 3: Don't want to like, I don't know.
Speaker 25: I don't know that that him getting beat is.
Speaker 5: That important.
Speaker 13: I don't know.
Speaker 25: That's not the right wording for it. And then the
Speaker 25: other one is Moxley, like he's better in aw, no
Speaker 25: doubt about it, and his promo today was good. I
Speaker 25: always feel like he never quite gets that next step,
Speaker 25: and that's where like the silliness of what I guess
Speaker 25: happened in WWE with him and how Vince was and
Speaker 25: then now he's left to his own devices, Like somewhere
Speaker 25: in there, there has to be somebody to kind of
Speaker 25: manage him and give him better boundaries, because he should
Speaker 25: easily be you know, I mean, he should be beyond wrestling.
Speaker 25: I think is a name. And now maybe he doesn't
Speaker 25: want to because I understand he you know, wrestling is
Speaker 25: his thing from you know, all the way around, and
Speaker 25: he's not looking to be like superstar outside of it.
Speaker 25: But I would think he can be kind of transformational
Speaker 25: and it I don't know, I never think he gets
Speaker 25: there with all the death matches and hardcore matches and
Speaker 25: always kind of I think he kind of brings himself
Speaker 25: down to a certain level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of commisary.
Speaker 5: That was everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks so so. Working our way backwards a little
Speaker 1: bit starting with Moxley. I mean I have some of
Speaker 1: the same thoughts that Ed does in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: mox went because he leans so hard into the hardcore
Speaker 1: stuff and he just wants to be himself and that
Speaker 1: he isn't this transformational centerpiece act. He had a run
Speaker 1: as the champion, and there was a novelty factor of
Speaker 1: oh my god, a shield members signed with WWE. But
Speaker 1: I think he AW has an ensemble top tier, and
Speaker 1: you know, when you compare it to Cody, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can make the case because they have so many
Speaker 1: top tier guys who they don't just incessantly push as
Speaker 1: a top guy that you know. I mean, Jericho's probably
Speaker 1: Greg been the most pushed top tier act consistently all along,
Speaker 1: but not by a wide margin over Kenny or Moxley
Speaker 1: or Cody, who's sort of in the Cody verse, you know,
Speaker 1: off to the side but still framed as a big star.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have sort of had their moment,
Speaker 1: but then there's not even that big of a drop
Speaker 1: off when you get to the tag division with a
Speaker 1: variety of teams there named most most prominently the Bucks,
Speaker 1: but others too, and then Lance Archer's had moments on top,
Speaker 1: and and now Mirro's getting prominent, and of course Darby
Speaker 1: and and and Sammy and Jungle Boy have all had
Speaker 1: their moments, and Orange Cassidy, like I just I don't
Speaker 1: know if AW is gonna be a place where even
Speaker 1: a Moxley because of the richness of the talent and
Speaker 1: the diversity of who gets pushed, is going to have
Speaker 1: that that dominant, top level centerpiece, you know, three year
Speaker 1: period that maybe he he or others have had in
Speaker 1: WWE in a similar positions him. So that's kind of
Speaker 1: my take on that. Your your your thoughts, Greg on that,
Speaker 1: and then if you want, you can take up the
Speaker 1: other things you brought up to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mentioned this before, you know, when I talked
Speaker 4: about the AW roster at the top and how they've
Speaker 4: been so good at maneuvering guys in and out of
Speaker 4: that main event spot, and Moxley it certainly one of them.
Speaker 4: If the biggest complaint you can levy against John Moxley
Speaker 4: is well he's not going to become a generational breakthrough star,
Speaker 4: well okay, that still leaves a lot of room for
Speaker 4: him to be excellent, very good a main eventor for
Speaker 4: ten years in AW and that's nothing to sneeze at. So,
Speaker 4: you know, I think Moxley has has found his voice
Speaker 4: in AW and I know you've mentioned that a number
Speaker 4: of times wide and this is who John Moxley is,
Speaker 4: and some of that may be what prevents him from
Speaker 4: crossing over and I don't think he minds. So, you know,
Speaker 4: to me, I think Moxley is having the kind of
Speaker 4: success a lot of people wish he had in WWEE
Speaker 4: without you know, the hot Dog stand and all the
Speaker 4: goofiness that he went through, especially later on in his
Speaker 4: run after the Shield and after feuding with the folks
Speaker 4: in the Shield, you know the other side, you know,
Speaker 4: Omega and Page. I think fans, I think Page is
Speaker 4: much more well rounded than Bobby Rude in terms of
Speaker 4: why fans root for him. Page has a three dimensional story.
Speaker 4: He has a three dimensional character, whereas Bobby Rude had
Speaker 4: the theme music and that was it and there wasn't
Speaker 4: much to him beyond that in terms of a character,
Speaker 4: Whereas I think, yes, fans you know, chant for Page
Speaker 4: and things like that, but it goes beyond that. You know,
Speaker 4: they're supportive of him beyond that. So I think that
Speaker 4: the Page, as I said before, is the right guy
Speaker 4: to dethrone Omega.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think from a charisma and Bondie with fans standpoint,
Speaker 1: you know, Pages is you know, two three levels higher
Speaker 1: than Rude. But I get bringing that up. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't you know gfat at the comparison I'll also
Speaker 1: say I think Rude had a chance. I don't know,
Speaker 1: was it two thousand and eight or I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of, like when there was that moment in time
Speaker 1: that he could have been that I wrote a cover
Speaker 1: story on it when Rud is going into a pay
Speaker 1: per view and I thought he should have won the
Speaker 1: TENA title and been pushed as kind of the everyman.
Speaker 1: And I mean, if if you read the if I
Speaker 1: went back and round the cover story, my recollection of
Speaker 1: it is that it described a character that's not all
Speaker 1: that different than Hangman Page, not not the cowboy shit stuff,
Speaker 1: but a guy that fans related to and he represented them,
Speaker 1: and that the time was right, in that moment in time,
Speaker 1: based on the economy and politics and in the world
Speaker 1: for teenage just kind of lean into him and that
Speaker 1: might have been his best chance to take off. I
Speaker 1: think Page is a better version of that. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if i'd say a better wrestler, because Rude
Speaker 1: was so good, but in Page's body of work, it
Speaker 1: just you know, he hasn't had those big moments, and
Speaker 1: Rud had some really good opponents to work with. So
Speaker 1: we'll see my hunch's Page will have a substantially better
Speaker 1: career in terms of the average crowd size and the
Speaker 1: money he makes, and and and the size of the
Speaker 1: audience that that watches him on TV. And I think
Speaker 1: he has by a significant margin, a more marketable range
Speaker 1: to his personality. But I but you know, Rude was
Speaker 1: a homegrown guy, you know, in TNA and in the
Speaker 1: more affable every man at one point when he wasn't
Speaker 1: pay you know, leaning on the It pays to be rude,
Speaker 1: cliche and and doing good work, but you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you just kind of got in a in a rut
Speaker 1: as a character. So anyway, that's my take on that.
Speaker 1: As far as Kenny, you know, looking like a sleazy
Speaker 1: slob or something like that, I mean, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's given off some weird vibes. I
Speaker 1: think it's working now. I like when it's you know,
Speaker 1: when it seems like he's putting some time and money
Speaker 1: into his wardrobe and some time in thought, you know,
Speaker 1: some time in thought into his promos and not just
Speaker 1: kind of thinking I'm the greatest and I do the
Speaker 1: v trigger and people love me, and I'm just going
Speaker 1: to go do the best of you know, the best
Speaker 1: of hits, and you know, I think true top stars
Speaker 1: come across like they put a ton of thought into
Speaker 1: what they do. I don't always feel that way about Nny.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it's he doesn't, but it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: always show up in what he does. But I think
Speaker 1: there's been more of it lately, and you know, the
Speaker 1: blend of what he and Kellus have done an impact
Speaker 1: and the high points in aw and I think a
Speaker 1: higher energy level since crowds have come back make me
Speaker 1: higher on him than I have been in a while.
Speaker 1: But I don't disregard that some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: I was critical of prior that that Ed just brought up,
Speaker 1: Greg is looming and a possibility there, Yeah.
Speaker 4: For sure. I mean, Omega is a guy who can
Speaker 4: go two or three weeks and give you the impression
Speaker 4: that he's really honed in on what this character can be,
Speaker 4: and then one week he just kind of falls off
Speaker 4: the rails. So I think it's that consistency with him.
Speaker 1: Yep, I think that's what we'll put all right. I
Speaker 1: appreciate the call Ed.
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Speaker 1: Well. Move to our next call here and we'll go
Speaker 1: to eight o four I think is yeah, we'll go
Speaker 1: to eight o four. Next go to state your name
Speaker 1: and where you're calling from.
Speaker 26: Hi, this is Ashley from Virginia. I'm actually on my
Speaker 26: way back the show today.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, Yeah, well, uh, what do you think of Dynamite?
Speaker 1: What was it like at the building tonight?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 26: It was, of course an awesome show.
Speaker 21: It's it's the vibe and the energy that you've given
Speaker 21: me when you get to that show is just completely
Speaker 21: different than WW. Just when you when you were talking
Speaker 21: about it earlier, just kind of really made me think
Speaker 21: about it.
Speaker 26: It's just kind of night and day, especially lately.
Speaker 21: But the main reason I kind of wanted to call
Speaker 21: in a was to kind of get your guys opinion
Speaker 21: on the whole Cody Roads and Blacky.
Speaker 26: Blacks going on. And I wasn't sure if you guys picked.
Speaker 21: Up on, yeah, on the reaction that Cody got, because
Speaker 21: that was really shocked. I'm a big Cody Roads fani
Speaker 21: and also of course manipied Black but he when they
Speaker 21: first showed him backstage, he got food and at first
Speaker 21: I thought maybe it was just because like he was
Speaker 21: backstage and.
Speaker 26: Not like live in front of us or something like that.
Speaker 21: But once they started brawling, like onto the stage, like
Speaker 21: Cody continue to get food and then Malachi got like masked,
Speaker 21: well pretty big cheers, So, especially when they went to Bridge,
Speaker 21: I was just really surprised by that.
Speaker 26: But then, what do you say that man's going forward.
Speaker 1: I'm super glad he brought that up, because one it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a major topic on a show full
Speaker 1: of a lot of major topics. And I was wondering
Speaker 1: watching on television if my ears were deceiving me or not,
Speaker 1: and you're confirming they didn't. I was thinking. Even Malachi
Speaker 1: when he leaned down to talk to Cody, was saying
Speaker 1: something like listen to those people, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: rubbing it in a little bit, but not sure if
Speaker 1: he should lean in hard on it because it wasn't,
Speaker 1: you know, necessarily what aw was looking for. There's a
Speaker 1: possibility that that Charlotte just hates Jerry Lynn, and you
Speaker 1: know that when he appeared on screen, they just bowed
Speaker 1: the hell out of Jerry. No, I'm joking, of course
Speaker 1: that's not the case. Greg. Did that come across to
Speaker 1: you and what is your take on that? Because I think,
Speaker 1: you know, reality show Cody, Cody versus Cody, q T
Speaker 1: Marshall pushing my buddy's Cody wearing the white suit. And
Speaker 1: I mean, there's something about Cody that's going to make
Speaker 1: a really good heel for the types of fans that
Speaker 1: are going completely crazy in bonkers for Hangman. And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that somebody who loves Hangman that there's gonna
Speaker 1: be one hundred percent or a high percent crossover who
Speaker 1: also love everything about Cody. You know, mister Hollywood, mister
Speaker 1: reality show, mister judge on a game show. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: a father, even though a lot of people become fathers.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have that be part of my ring announcements
Speaker 1: and the politics of Brandy. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that if people stop seeing Cody as the
Speaker 1: founder and the savior and the guy who was under
Speaker 1: pushed and disrespected by vincic Mann, but see him through
Speaker 1: a different lens of the AEW history, people might start
Speaker 1: boone him. Then he had out at Malchi Black to
Speaker 1: the mix who fans are excited to see in respect
Speaker 1: especially the aw type audience. Yeah, I'm not shocked. And
Speaker 1: Ashley confirmed something that seemed to come across on TV,
Speaker 1: but it was short enough and the crowd is sort
Speaker 1: of just exploding for seeing them all through the stage
Speaker 1: that it didn't sink in totally until she brought it
Speaker 1: up again.
Speaker 4: If you're a defender of Cody, you can write this
Speaker 4: off and say, well, Malachi Black's a new toy for
Speaker 4: the aw fans, so they're gonna cheer him. There's a
Speaker 4: percentage of the fan base who want to get behind
Speaker 4: him because they felt he was held back in WWE,
Speaker 4: or you know, whatever the case may be. But you know, Charlotte,
Speaker 4: his family with his father has some history there in Charlotte,
Speaker 4: and I don't know how much of the fans, how
Speaker 4: many of the fans that were there tonight, go back
Speaker 4: to that era of Jim Crockett promotions in Charlotte and
Speaker 4: Dusty Rhodes, But you know, usually that that buys you
Speaker 4: a futures if nothing else, just that the family history
Speaker 4: in that region. So the fact that Cody's getting booed
Speaker 4: here when he's you know, very obviously doing the good
Speaker 4: guy in white versus the bad guy in black. The
Speaker 4: sort of Sean Michael's undertaker stuff we saw in one
Speaker 4: of their WrestleMania matches and he's getting booed here. That's
Speaker 4: the sort of thing that can kind of snowball. So
Speaker 4: I'm interested to see what the reactions are going to
Speaker 4: be in the coming weeks. You know, Cody's personality and
Speaker 4: the way he presents himself, either you know, obliviously or
Speaker 4: he's in on the joke, can be heavy handed at times,
Speaker 4: and we may just be seeing the beginning of that backlash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cody's a quirky guy, and he wears his ego
Speaker 1: up front and center as a feature, not a flaw
Speaker 1: as he intends it if he's self aware, and it
Speaker 1: could be unintentional too and end up working against him.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot to like about Cody, but there's
Speaker 1: aspects that are, like I said, ripe to be booed. Actually,
Speaker 1: if you want to follow up on that or bring
Speaker 1: up some other things from being in Attendants tonight, you're
Speaker 1: welcome to to that too.
Speaker 26: Yeah, yeah, just really quick.
Speaker 21: It just I think it's postomy too, just because with
Speaker 21: the I guess impending editions of Sam Funk and Brian Daniels,
Speaker 21: and assuming.
Speaker 27: They both obviously come in as baby bases, I think
Speaker 27: aw would be pretty heavy on baby bases and maybe
Speaker 27: Cody's turning heel or maybe this reaction tonight could be
Speaker 27: the start of maybe that slow.
Speaker 26: Turn, just because maybe they'll they'll deem more more opponents
Speaker 26: for these guys are going forward.
Speaker 8: If I try that, they go So I was.
Speaker 21: Just curious about that and what you guys think about
Speaker 21: for bigger going forward.
Speaker 26: I know I believe that the submit that she had
Speaker 26: and I couldn't really catch.
Speaker 21: All that believe she just referenced Nyla Rose. But do
Speaker 21: you think she's gonna move on back to thunder Rosa
Speaker 21: now or what direction do you think she'll be going
Speaker 21: in once she heals up?
Speaker 10: Of course?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the announcer's overtly, you know, said thunder Rosa, you
Speaker 1: know it's going to be in the toitle picture soon
Speaker 1: and talked about her signing a multi year deal, so
Speaker 1: you know they're they're definitely laying a groundwork for that,
Speaker 1: both with a win tonight but also on the commentary
Speaker 1: and and worth her signing a deal. Uh, but you
Speaker 1: know Britt Breaker right now cutting a promo and Nyla Rose,
Speaker 1: I mean, Britt is a is the top female star
Speaker 1: and whether she's healthy or not. She's a top female
Speaker 1: star in that company, and I think they don't need
Speaker 1: to rush anything with her. I don't think there's an
Speaker 1: exprat Data. I don't think there's someone around the corner
Speaker 1: that aw is gonna sign that's gonna say, oh, they
Speaker 1: should have struggled Aaron was hot with Britt. I think
Speaker 1: they can do a slow burn with her staying true
Speaker 1: to herself but being a contextual baby face some of
Speaker 1: the time and maybe a contextual heel other times where
Speaker 1: when the fans are cheering them, because they just don't
Speaker 1: have a deep enough roster to necessarily have her go hard,
Speaker 1: just straight up face, straight up heel and only fight.
Speaker 1: Then the opposite role, they might want her to kind
Speaker 1: of be the champion who fight who defense against both
Speaker 1: more more, because she's a top star and they want
Speaker 1: everyone they sign to have a chance to wrestle her,
Speaker 1: regardless of if there if they're fan favored or not.
Speaker 1: Greg your take on that situation.
Speaker 4: I don't think Britt Baker needs to have that aha
Speaker 4: baby face turned moment. I think the fans get behind
Speaker 4: her because of the way she carries herself and her
Speaker 4: confidence level. She reminds me a little bit of Becky
Speaker 4: Lynch in that regard. You know, Becky Becky became popular,
Speaker 4: but her popularity became massive because she was the man.
Speaker 4: You know, she carried herself as the alpha of that
Speaker 4: women's division in a way that you see in Britt Baker.
Speaker 4: So I think the situations are somewhat similar, and I
Speaker 4: would like to see Britt Baker continue on the track
Speaker 4: that she's on, not really change anything, even if the
Speaker 4: fans cheer her and sort of turn her baby face.
Speaker 4: I would kind of like to see her going forward
Speaker 4: and continuing with this character and continuing this championship run.
Speaker 4: You know, I think it's time to move away from
Speaker 4: Nila Rose. I think the match that they had was
Speaker 4: a little disappointing, and I don't think there's a lot
Speaker 4: of meat on that bone in terms of a rematch
Speaker 4: or delving any deeper into anything there. So they have
Speaker 4: a pretty decent They've accumulated quite a bit of talent
Speaker 4: women's talent over the last several months to year. So
Speaker 4: there are whether it's thunder Rosa, whether it's someone else,
Speaker 4: there should be some top opponents lined up for Britt
Speaker 4: Baker in the coming months.
Speaker 1: Actually, anything else you want to bring up.
Speaker 14: No, No, that was it.
Speaker 21: I just kind of wanted to get yours and put
Speaker 21: on that, so I'll drop off in and let you guys.
Speaker 26: Go and get to have the callers.
Speaker 6: But Greg, thank you.
Speaker 21: It was a pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 26: It's it's so great.
Speaker 22: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say before you do hang up,
Speaker 1: I appreciate your kind of words too, actually, and glad
Speaker 1: you called in. What was what? What was your I've
Speaker 1: asked everybody this, who the other two who were there?
Speaker 1: What's your take on the reaction to Nick Gage and
Speaker 1: coming out, how many people knew him, how excited they were,
Speaker 1: and whether that match was what everybody was looking for
Speaker 1: or cringe your you know, cringe worthy or too gory
Speaker 1: for some fans. Just kind of the ebb and flow
Speaker 1: of the crowd reaction for that match.
Speaker 21: Yeah, no, I think everyone was pretty much looking forward
Speaker 21: to it. I don't think that was necessarily the match
Speaker 21: that the majority of the crowd was there for. I
Speaker 21: think it was the opening match, the elimination match between
Speaker 21: the league and wear a hang Ma Page. But a
Speaker 21: couple of parents who had much younger kids ended up
Speaker 21: leaving right before the main event. I think because they
Speaker 21: pretty much knew what to expect, so they probably.
Speaker 26: Didn't want to take the younger kids.
Speaker 21: There, but their kids were probably like five, six, seven
Speaker 21: years old, so you know, not the older kids. But yeah,
Speaker 21: I think for the most part, I would say probably
Speaker 21: about probably half of the crowd.
Speaker 26: Knew who Nick Age was, but it was they kind
Speaker 26: of like everyone loved Jericho, so they were kind of
Speaker 26: like just cheering Jericho, not by default but just because
Speaker 26: it's just Jericho. But they still cheered for for Cage
Speaker 26: and still there was MVK chance throughout the night, and
Speaker 26: when his package was on earlier in the show, he
Speaker 26: got a pretty good response. And so I would say
Speaker 26: the majority of people who there knew who he was,
Speaker 26: but I don't think I don't think they necessarily the
Speaker 26: majority was there necessarily specifically to see that, but it
Speaker 26: was like an added bonus.
Speaker 1: Uh cool, Actually, thanks so much for taking time to
Speaker 1: give us a call, and I'll call again when you can.
Speaker 26: Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate it, and everyone.
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Speaker 1: let's see. We will go to Chris in Newfoundland. Chris,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. What do you think of it?
Speaker 13: Out of me tonight, gentlemen, good well, morning for me?
Speaker 1: Good good.
Speaker 13: I believe, I believe and I might have missed it,
Speaker 13: but I believe the streak is over. I don't think
Speaker 13: we got a female canine reference.
Speaker 1: Ooh nice, I'm happy. Now let's start a new streak.
Speaker 1: I mean by that, I mean let's keep that. Let's
Speaker 1: keep that one going, not start dropping bwards next week.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I don't know if this
Speaker 13: was a Canadian thing, but we got cut to a
Speaker 13: picture of picture commercial during Maxley's promo. I don't know
Speaker 13: if either of you had that issue or if anybody
Speaker 13: else did, but I missed like eighty percent of Marxley's promo.
Speaker 1: Huh No, it didn't happen for us.
Speaker 13: So as soon as you mentioned town of how She's name,
Speaker 13: it cut out.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Well that's a bummer. But now probably just
Speaker 1: a glitch from the local what channel carries.
Speaker 13: It as TSN we get it done? Who used to
Speaker 13: have WWE?
Speaker 1: But yeah, SOBLY just went to a local break when
Speaker 1: they shouldn't have, or they had more breaks than T
Speaker 1: ANDT scheduled.
Speaker 13: A lot of the stuff has been picked clean. I
Speaker 13: know how heavier it feels every week now. A couple
Speaker 13: of things I wanted to just touch on real quick,
Speaker 13: the worry that I have with some of the signings
Speaker 13: that they've had recent I mean, we've got Gauge on
Speaker 13: the show. We don't know if he's going to get
Speaker 13: a contract probably. It seems unlikely, but you've got Janella,
Speaker 13: you've got Maxley, you've got Kingston, you've got Lansachi, you've
Speaker 13: got Dobby. If they signed an a gauge, Is it
Speaker 13: possible that Tony Kahn and his well known love for ECW,
Speaker 13: that Rampage is going to be ECW style show.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, But I wouldn't mind if Rampage
Speaker 1: had a distinct, you know, identity where you kind of
Speaker 1: knew what you were getting, and with that later night
Speaker 1: time slot there would be more freedom. It's not that late.
Speaker 1: It's the third hour of Raw, you know, timeslot, you know,
Speaker 1: and not not you know, the Friday version of Ron
Speaker 1: Monday in that spot in that hour. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, but I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: I think I think Eddie Kingston and you know Moxley
Speaker 1: is enough, you know. I mean, I think Nick Gage
Speaker 1: would be redundant, and I think Nick works better frankly
Speaker 1: on a smaller scale, you know, as a cult guy,
Speaker 1: not a national TV guy. Eddie Kingston's I think has
Speaker 1: transitioned successfully. But really I think Eddie's got that turf,
Speaker 1: that turf established as his own right now. Greg your thoughts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of agree. You know, he's at his
Speaker 4: best in these death matches and you can't you just
Speaker 4: can't do those every week or even every couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: So he's he's nice as a curiosity here on this
Speaker 4: kind of show, and you know, getting this kind of
Speaker 4: national exposure is going to help him going forward. And
Speaker 4: we've seen AW do that with wrestlers. We've seen them
Speaker 4: take independent wrestlers and give them exposure on AW and
Speaker 4: kind of give them a boost when it comes to
Speaker 4: going back on the independence. There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 4: You know, some people are better made for the independent
Speaker 4: scenes such as it is than being on a national
Speaker 4: weekly television show. And Gauge might be one of those guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, gooid Chris. Anything else.
Speaker 13: Well, I was going to say Joey Styles is still
Speaker 13: out there, but after what got him cut from involved
Speaker 13: in CHICAA, I don't think any promotion wants to touch
Speaker 13: him right now. The only other thing that hasn't really
Speaker 13: been beaten to death. I mean, I wanted to mention
Speaker 13: that Jim Ross might sound energized, but energized rambling is
Speaker 13: still rambling, and I still don't want to hear it.
Speaker 13: I want to just go back to what I actually
Speaker 13: just mentioned, that heal, the possible the reaction to Cody
Speaker 13: and maybe a heel to him there now, Alice and
Speaker 13: Malachi Black definitely said, do you hear those people? Cody,
Speaker 13: welcome to the House of Black.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I'm not sure how I feel about that as a catchphrase.
Speaker 13: But the white black thing, Greg, you mentioned Sean Michaels
Speaker 13: in the undertake a few Shawn Michael's got booed in
Speaker 13: that match. We have Mordecai all in white as a heel.
Speaker 13: Seth Rollins did all in white as a heel a
Speaker 13: couple of times, although he also did it as a
Speaker 13: face against Triple H. The all in white thing has
Speaker 13: often been used as a heel, almost as an ironic thing. Yeah,
Speaker 13: so it could. I don't know if they intended it,
Speaker 13: but they could easily transition it to that. And bringing
Speaker 13: in Punk and Danielson. You need a heal because no
Speaker 13: matter what you do, those two are going to get
Speaker 13: face receptions unless they literally come in and kick a puppy.
Speaker 1: I laugh and I hesitate if that would even even
Speaker 1: do it. Sadly, Oh, if it was Pharaoh, I don't
Speaker 1: want any dogs near Pyro right now. So let's you know,
Speaker 1: and I know people who have will never forgive Cody
Speaker 1: for putting Pharaoh through that, and I get it, Yeah, Greg,
Speaker 1: any thoughts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's that's conceivable the way they go
Speaker 4: about it. I guess it all goes back to how
Speaker 4: you know, we mentioned this before, how aware is Cody
Speaker 4: of what he's doing and of you know, who he is.
Speaker 4: If he's super aware of what he's doing, then yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe it is him dressing in white as a heel
Speaker 4: tactic to be ironic. But I don't know that we
Speaker 4: have enough evidence that Cody is has that kind of
Speaker 4: awareness about him or if he thinks what he's doing
Speaker 4: is genuinely going to get a baby face reaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, anything else for us, yep.
Speaker 13: I'll leave you on this one.
Speaker 10: Wade.
Speaker 13: I had tweeted at you earlier this week with a
Speaker 13: prediction for that ten man tag, and sadly I got
Speaker 13: it completely wrong. I was convinced Omega was not going
Speaker 13: to wrestle. I thought he was going to back out
Speaker 13: and get Knakazawa in there, or that he would just
Speaker 13: walk off as he was the last man left. I
Speaker 13: have no idea what they're doing or why they went
Speaker 13: in the direction they went. I don't know if the
Speaker 13: plans changed because of the signings that the whole thing
Speaker 13: has been addressed pretty well on this show, but I
Speaker 13: just wanted to add I'm not a fan, and I
Speaker 13: really think it would have been better if Omega had
Speaker 13: just walked out and got the countdout as the last
Speaker 13: elimination or something. So I'll pass over to Nick and
Speaker 13: Javier if they're still waiting, and thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thanks.
Speaker 6: Ris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in that match, you know, Kenny was in the
Speaker 1: ring and then at the start against doing a forward
Speaker 1: to forehead trash talking type thing back and forth with Page.
Speaker 1: But then I think it was Gallows who kind of
Speaker 1: said no, no, back away and protected him. So Kenny
Speaker 1: wasn't overtly being you know, scared or chicken or reluctant.
Speaker 1: He was trying to put up a brave front. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he was involved in the match. I mean, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Payman Page fans were invested in this being
Speaker 1: his night, and there is a risk that in Tony's
Speaker 1: excitement about a lot of other things going on, that
Speaker 1: he overbooked or underestimated the deflating feeling that you know,
Speaker 1: Eric Role expressed at the beginning and other callers have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. I think that was a tough one,
Speaker 4: but you know, the rest of the show sort of
Speaker 4: made that result palatable, you know, because there was so
Speaker 4: much going on, and so I think that was putting
Speaker 4: it at the beginning sort of allowed the rest of
Speaker 4: the show to make that result easier to digest.
Speaker 1: I think yep makes sense.
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll go to Jay in Hartford next. Jay,
Speaker 1: thanks for your patients, holding and what do you think
Speaker 1: of donam I'm assuming somebody's going to fall in asleep, well,
Speaker 1: you know, lying on the couch with her phone on speaker.
Speaker 1: Jay might be might have been someone Jay? Are there?
Speaker 1: All right? Well we'll check back with him and jump
Speaker 1: over to Nick in Brattleborough. Nick, thank you for your patients.
Speaker 1: Are you awake? Are you still there?
Speaker 24: Yeah? Hold all wait, what's home?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 24: I am awake. A couple of quick corrections. Britt Baker
Speaker 24: mentioned the B word twice.
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, oh man, all right, I don't know how
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but and the other one is ramp If
Speaker 1: you're not going to say it, it's it's rampage. In
Speaker 1: the first one in Pittsburgh the week before United Center
Speaker 1: for the first dance.
Speaker 24: I'm the thirteenth. Yes, that was that was my second one. Yeah,
Speaker 24: you're not the first to want to commit.
Speaker 1: You were not the first to point that out. I'm
Speaker 1: very upset with caliber. But he messaged, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to be bitter that he corrected us on the air. No,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Yeah, it didn't sound right, but the first
Speaker 1: dance thing threw me off, and I I like, August
Speaker 1: feels so far away until it's here. So but yeah, yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I know, yeah yeah.
Speaker 24: I also want to really commend Ashley for being one
Speaker 24: of our women callers. I think it's great, and I
Speaker 24: know it's not your doing or anything, but I love
Speaker 24: hearing a woman's perspective on something that what would you say,
Speaker 24: thirty percent of the audience for wrestling as women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it's not they're not represented on our
Speaker 1: calls or emails unfortunately.
Speaker 24: Yeah. No, I just think it's cool, So I'm gonna
Speaker 24: throw out there's two very funny ironic things that happened tonight,
Speaker 24: and I believe it was Jim Ross, although sometimes I
Speaker 24: get him and Tony confused. But during the FTW celebration,
Speaker 24: when Brian came into the ring with the trombone, he
Speaker 24: said trombones have no place in wrestling. Call.
Speaker 1: Of course, that was my favorite line of the night,
Speaker 1: so true was great.
Speaker 24: I loved it. And then you probably didn't catch this
Speaker 24: because I'm sure you were finishing up your report, but
Speaker 24: right as Dynamite ends, which it did, run over tonight,
Speaker 24: by the way, right as it ended, they the TNT
Speaker 24: starts their movie and they say, please be aware that
Speaker 24: this movie contains material it might not be suitable for children.
Speaker 24: Your discretion is advised. Right after they've had this bloody
Speaker 24: mess all over the screen. So I just thought that
Speaker 24: was ironically very funny.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, you know, like that should air
Speaker 1: before the Jericho match. And I fast forward through the commercial,
Speaker 1: so maybe they did air some sort of warning before
Speaker 1: Gage to Jericho. But I chuckle at that, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know what movie it was, but
Speaker 1: I doubt it comes anywhere close to what we had
Speaker 1: just seen.
Speaker 4: The biggest, you know, the better, the better. Back to
Speaker 4: back and Twitter pointed this out is that after Nick
Speaker 4: Gage used the pizza cutter on Chris Jericho, they went
Speaker 4: to a commercial break and in Picture and Picture what
Speaker 4: was the first commercial It was for Dominoes and they
Speaker 4: had cutting the pizza with the I said, it's like,
Speaker 4: it's one of those things where're like, did they plan
Speaker 4: it that way? It was almost too convenient that it
Speaker 4: did that.
Speaker 1: That's funny, that's funny.
Speaker 24: Yeah, what at least here on YouTube, the Picture and
Speaker 24: Picture was I got picture and picture during most of
Speaker 24: the Pizza cutter stuff, which I was actually kind of
Speaker 24: thankful for just to add my voice to it. I
Speaker 24: it's not for me. I mean, God, bless those people
Speaker 24: who like watching it and stuff. It's just and by God.
Speaker 2: Bless you.
Speaker 1: You mean, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 24: Right, exactly it was. I mean even the pizza cutters
Speaker 24: that it's the grinding that the tube and oh god,
Speaker 24: it's just like anyway, I have once anario, I'm going
Speaker 24: to run by you and then I'll let you guys
Speaker 24: discuss it and I'll hang up and let Hotty arget on.
Speaker 24: What if they figure some way where they don't really
Speaker 24: have a GM or anything, but the announcers say listen
Speaker 24: because of all the use of the belts, Adam Page
Speaker 24: is going to get his title shot at at all out?
Speaker 24: And is there any way they bring Punk in? Now?
Speaker 24: I'm missed Punk. I was like not watching wrestling when
Speaker 24: he was doing his thing. I've seen clips and stuff.
Speaker 24: Is there any way they can bring him in? He
Speaker 24: beats the tar and leaves Darby all in a bloody
Speaker 24: mess and they make him a heal and he's Page's
Speaker 24: first first feud after Page beats Kenny. I Greg that
Speaker 24: I'll let you talk about that, Go VIP and have
Speaker 24: a great night.
Speaker 1: Thanks. Thanks, appreciate your contribution as always, Greg, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: rid of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's possible Punk more so than Brian
Speaker 4: Danielson in terms of, you know, expecting Page to win
Speaker 4: it all out beat Omega. And then you've got two
Speaker 4: very big stars in Punk and Danielson, which if you're
Speaker 4: paying them the kind of money they're probably going to
Speaker 4: be getting, you want them in a very prominent position,
Speaker 4: and usually the most prominent position is in the world
Speaker 4: title hunt. So more Punk more so than Brian Danielson
Speaker 4: you could see as a heel facing a baby face
Speaker 4: Adam Page. I think the other thing we have to
Speaker 4: keep in mind too is I don't feel like with
Speaker 4: AEW we've had the problem at least so far, and
Speaker 4: it's run that we've had with WWE where you can
Speaker 4: sit there and look at WWE's raws smack down roster
Speaker 4: and say, wow, they are way short on heels or
Speaker 4: they're way short on babyfaces. AW has kept it pretty balanced,
Speaker 4: I think, with a large roster. So if Danielson and
Speaker 4: Punk come in, both his babyface I think that runs
Speaker 4: the risk of tilting the babyface side a little too far,
Speaker 4: especially when your last major acquisition came in Christian and
Speaker 4: he's a baby face as well. So I think just
Speaker 4: my numbers standpoint now, yes, and you know, I know
Speaker 4: people are kind of expecting him to turn on Jungle Boy.
Speaker 4: I don't know about that, but you know, just from
Speaker 4: a numbers standpoint, it may be wiser to bring Punk
Speaker 4: in as a heel.
Speaker 1: All right, very yeah, good luck. But I think both
Speaker 1: Brian and Punk are you know, might be up for
Speaker 1: that challenge, and it'd be it'd be gutsy, but I
Speaker 1: think there's I think there's a way to pull it off,
Speaker 1: even if it doesn't work where you don't go, well,
Speaker 1: that was crazy to didn't put a thought into it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you can put some thought into
Speaker 1: it and give it a try and and and if
Speaker 1: you got to adjust, you gotta adjust. I mean they
Speaker 1: did try to turn da w try to turn Day
Speaker 1: Brian heel at the peak of his popularity, and you know,
Speaker 1: so anyway, all right, just a reminder you can reach
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Speaker 1: state your name and where you're calling from.
Speaker 9: MHM, and there's a Jacob Emery call from the Barvard, North.
Speaker 1: Carolina Jake for North Carolina.
Speaker 12: You said, Brevard.
Speaker 9: God, this is Jacob from Vard, North Carolina.
Speaker 2: Jacob Cool?
Speaker 1: Gotcha were you at the show nights?
Speaker 9: I was, yes?
Speaker 1: Cool? Well was it?
Speaker 11: Like?
Speaker 24: What?
Speaker 1: What's your takeaway from it?
Speaker 13: Uh?
Speaker 9: Incredible? It's my first AW show. Uh, I've been to. Uh,
Speaker 9: I've been to several w W events in Greenville, South Carolina,
Speaker 9: the first one there we went to, uh and and
Speaker 9: Charlotte ar one in Charlotte there and it was just
Speaker 9: just a world of difference between the between the two events,
Speaker 9: quite frankly.
Speaker 1: In what way paint that picture a little more?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 9: So, uh So when you go to a w W event,
Speaker 9: everything seems old, everything seems so strategically planned out, like
Speaker 9: they have very much like you have a match, you
Speaker 9: have h you have the uh you know, in between matches,
Speaker 9: you have like video promos they've put onto the big
Speaker 9: display and they have all that stuff. And then like tonight,
Speaker 9: it was just like, you know, Justin Roberts will just
Speaker 9: come out and just be like, hey, you know, hey,
Speaker 9: let's have some one of the crowd once in a while,
Speaker 9: or some rustlers will come out and be like, hey,
Speaker 9: let's just just you know, like it's just you and
Speaker 9: us just having fun. And it was very more, very
Speaker 9: more personal, very more personable, and just much more, much
Speaker 9: more enjoyable, much more like you're part of an overall
Speaker 9: fan experience and what I what I've.
Speaker 24: Been used to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's interesting. I mean, the the how
Speaker 1: it's different, just the vibe of being there and what
Speaker 1: that fan experience is like, it's interesting to me. And
Speaker 1: in w B does have a very distinct and formal
Speaker 1: way and a formula way that they go about things.
Speaker 1: What else jumped out in terms of crowd reactions tonight
Speaker 1: or just your your take on some of the big
Speaker 1: angles or matches.
Speaker 9: Well, and so one year college mentioned about Cody Roach
Speaker 9: there about how yeah, about how he was he was
Speaker 9: he was booted heavily, and and I'd have to agree
Speaker 9: with her very much so of how he was, Uh,
Speaker 9: he was on the screen kind of booted first, and
Speaker 9: then when when he got his first shot in there
Speaker 9: on Malachi there on the stage, it was a very
Speaker 9: strong like like don't don't do that basically and then
Speaker 9: my malechi got his shot, I got his shot in.
Speaker 9: It was very much like you.
Speaker 3: Know, hey, like it's awesome, great.
Speaker 9: You know, keep doing that and so uh and so
Speaker 9: that was that was that was something that was very
Speaker 9: much like, you know, stood out to me of like,
Speaker 9: you know, here's Cody who hasn't been hasn't really been
Speaker 9: a heel crowd reactionary wise, and is uh his a
Speaker 9: W run and then and then and then and then
Speaker 9: tonight here it was very much much that that an
Speaker 9: example of like, you know, he really could be a
Speaker 9: great heel for a W when it comes time to
Speaker 9: be that.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think Cody'd be a great heel And I
Speaker 1: think people will pay to boo him when the time comes.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the reaction to him at all
Speaker 1: in and I was in Chicago for that. It was
Speaker 1: thank you so much for bringing us an alternative to
Speaker 1: what vincick Mann has been presenting us. And you know,
Speaker 1: we're with you. But the more we get distant from that,
Speaker 1: and the more he w gets its identity and the
Speaker 1: more he sits under a sign that says EVP, I mean,
Speaker 1: he'd better be going for heel heat when he flops that,
Speaker 1: because there are to babyface EVPs right now.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just I mean, you know, like EVP and coach
Speaker 1: like who does that? Who has a sign above their
Speaker 1: head indicate yah? So I don't know, But again I
Speaker 1: don't know. With Cody, you know, just the social awareness
Speaker 1: of how he comes across to some fans, if not most,
Speaker 1: you know, can catch up to him, and it does
Speaker 1: with some babyfaces sometimes where you know, you get you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of you start believing your elvis and you
Speaker 1: lean into that and sometimes people like, yeah, we love you,
Speaker 1: and other people like, hey, get over yourself. And so
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. It's an interesting time. But he's
Speaker 1: he's he's so talented and has that star our aura
Speaker 1: that he does not stray from. You know, he unlike
Speaker 1: the Bucks and Kenny at times, you know, definitely pays
Speaker 1: attention to his wardrobe and his appearance and coming across
Speaker 1: as a star. So He's going to be fine either way.
Speaker 1: But the idea is lean into, you know, how the
Speaker 1: fans are reacting to you, and make money off of
Speaker 1: that whichever way it goes exactly.
Speaker 9: There was two other things that was kind of like
Speaker 9: I was curious as it come off. The one thing
Speaker 9: was the the elite coming off as like a like
Speaker 9: the elite squad thing and almost seemed like it was
Speaker 9: like too much of a space reaction, uh, to the
Speaker 9: live crowd. It was like, at first they started Boolean
Speaker 9: and all of a sudden they came out It's like, oh,
Speaker 9: he's a space jam kind of like squat, and it
Speaker 9: was like it was like, oh, well, hey, well we's
Speaker 9: here because like, you know, hey we have you know,
Speaker 9: this old school vibe that we love here but space Tom.
Speaker 9: But like at the same time, yeah, it's this was
Speaker 9: to heal acts.
Speaker 1: Of course, I was saying, I want to get Grace
Speaker 1: take on this. It could like I wasn't sure how
Speaker 1: the average fan at home or the building would take
Speaker 1: it if they were like mock. Obviously, they were doing
Speaker 1: an NBA style introduction because it's a ten mint egg.
Speaker 1: So we got five people that's a starting lineup and
Speaker 1: we're gonna play the music that a lot of NBA
Speaker 1: teams play at the beginning during formal introductions, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was really clever. I think if a baby
Speaker 1: Face team did it, the fans would roll their eyes
Speaker 1: and go, that's pandering, that's too much. It's a little
Speaker 1: too cute by half. With most baby Faces the heels
Speaker 1: doing it, it came across to me like they were
Speaker 1: intending to mock North Carolina's love of basketball and sort
Speaker 1: of make a mockery of it. But I don't know
Speaker 1: that it was obviously so I just I think that
Speaker 1: that's what they were going for, But I don't know
Speaker 1: if they went far enough with it where it just
Speaker 1: didn't come across as hey, look at these guys who
Speaker 1: love basketball having a good time in being showman. Greg,
Speaker 1: what was your interpretation of it watching it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was over the top, but I
Speaker 4: don't know that it was over the top obnoxious enough,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. It was totally Really it
Speaker 4: was actually kind of cool to see, you know, And
Speaker 4: I could I could see how fans would cheer that
Speaker 4: kind of entrance, and I think a lot of them did.
Speaker 4: It seemed like but you know, once the match got going,
Speaker 4: there was no question who was a Heels, So I thought,
Speaker 4: you know, I was really wondering if that was a
Speaker 4: good idea. The way the way it worked out, I
Speaker 4: think they could have leaned in a little more to
Speaker 4: make it a little more obnoxious, but it was just
Speaker 4: it was a cool visual either way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, Jacob back to.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and to Greg's point there, like that's how it
Speaker 9: came across pretty much of the life crowd, like they
Speaker 9: hit it up at first, but then it came across
Speaker 9: its still just you know, went you know, as like
Speaker 9: it was just it just seemed like they were very
Speaker 9: much as full and stuff trying to dunk a basketball
Speaker 9: four or five times in a row or whatever. I mean, goodness, gracious.
Speaker 9: And then and then the last point I want to
Speaker 9: make was when the the very first time they mentioned
Speaker 9: the United Center, all of a sudden, the crowd just erupted,
Speaker 9: like seeing Punk chances all over evenue through how that
Speaker 9: came across it's a TV, but like it was like
Speaker 9: as a que right away, like well, seeing Punk's going
Speaker 9: to debuting there, and then like you know, two minutes later,
Speaker 9: here's Darby Allen you know, mentioning in best in the world,
Speaker 9: so like, it'll be interesting how they how they how
Speaker 9: they promote that, because do they want to promote that
Speaker 9: as like seeing Punk will be premiering there at this time,
Speaker 9: or will they just like try to still play it
Speaker 9: as a surprise angle to make it.
Speaker 1: Work I mentioned earlier, it might depend on how the
Speaker 1: ticket launch goes. If if the ticket launch is just
Speaker 1: crazy good and word of mouth is enough, maybe they
Speaker 1: lay low with it until Dynamite two days before, or
Speaker 1: maybe Punk debuts in Pittsburgh but not in person but
Speaker 1: in a video message or something just like to close
Speaker 1: the show if they need a final push for tickets.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just sort of spitballing. I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of ways you can play it. You can
Speaker 1: announce it and not have them appeer. You can have
Speaker 1: them just uppear and you know, wink at the camera
Speaker 1: at the end of the first rampage. You can have
Speaker 1: the announcers say he's you know, a big name is
Speaker 1: going to be here, and the crowd chance it but
Speaker 1: they don't say it officially. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of ways you can let the larger audience know. I
Speaker 1: think they might prefer to be coy and wait for
Speaker 1: the moment to happen, but they can't do that if
Speaker 1: if they don't get you know, fifteen to twenty thousand
Speaker 1: people who know what they know what's at, know what's afoot,
Speaker 1: and and buy tickets based on what's implied, even if
Speaker 1: it's not overtly promoted.
Speaker 9: Well, I appreciate get taking my call. Like I said,
Speaker 9: my first first aw event there there was a first
Speaker 9: time calling you guys as all as well. People were
Speaker 9: around me saying, like, how when they were at Charlotte
Speaker 9: the last time there last year or two years? So
Speaker 9: at this point, yeah, it was like the half half
Speaker 9: the half the stadium or at the arena was like
Speaker 9: sectioned off and no one was allowed there, and like
Speaker 9: this time was a full crowd all around, and it
Speaker 9: was it was It was incredible.
Speaker 5: It was great.
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Speaker 1: Torch vip. What percent of the fans do you think
Speaker 1: we're wearing merch like aw or just any kind of
Speaker 1: wrestling merchandise.
Speaker 9: I would say almost, like gosh, eighty ninety percent of
Speaker 9: the stands I saw they were wearing some kind of
Speaker 9: a wrestling merch Yeah, wasn't.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't.
Speaker 9: I wouldn't make it to be like as hot of
Speaker 9: a crowd as you would make it seem like like
Speaker 9: a typical like hardcore wrestling audience. But but again, like
Speaker 9: I beton several of the events, and it was still
Speaker 9: much much more hot of a crowd than than any
Speaker 9: kind of a wrestling event that I've been to.
Speaker 1: Well you didn't hear this, but Jim Jacob Jim Ross
Speaker 1: after the the United Center plug and you know there
Speaker 1: were a punk chants that he certainly heard in the crowd,
Speaker 1: and Ross said, uh, the future that that's compelling information.
Speaker 1: Let's say the future looks bright, jump on and ride
Speaker 1: along with us. The world will be traveling to Chicago.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's I mean, they're ross so'ta genuinely excited,
Speaker 1: but also it's sort of like, hey, folks, if you
Speaker 1: don't know and you're not sure, wink not, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you you're gonna want to be there.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean there may be like there was one uh,
Speaker 9: there was one pop for Darby and Sting in the
Speaker 9: Dark Matches, Dark Elevation Matches before Hanging for the Kinnabite. Yeah,
Speaker 9: and then the Hangman Hangman pop. Other than that, the
Speaker 9: United Center announcement probably was the biggest pop to night.
Speaker 9: I would say, wow, Dan punk chance there.
Speaker 7: But that wow.
Speaker 1: Just saying United Center is basically saying seampunk because they're
Speaker 1: not going to book that building otherwise.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, the last week and a half of the news.
Speaker 9: That's absolutely absolutely enough.
Speaker 1: Jake, before you run any anything you want to say
Speaker 1: from what happened before after Dynamite. I don't know how
Speaker 1: long you stuck around after Dynamite, but any kind of
Speaker 1: quote spoilers for if such, there's such a thing for
Speaker 1: dark anything jump out from that stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 9: So Tony Kahn came out right like twenty minutes before
Speaker 9: Dynamite started and said that he gave like a fight
Speaker 9: for the fall and kind of steel, and said that
Speaker 9: he was going to donate one hundred thousand dollars for
Speaker 9: a local organization in Charlotte and gave a very heart
Speaker 9: felt message to a domestic balance abuse victims, and then
Speaker 9: said that he's gonna add John Mots to the cards
Speaker 9: and it was gonna, Yeah, it was gonna have a
Speaker 9: John motsip here. Unfortunately, I lived like two and a
Speaker 9: half hour drive away, so I had to get going
Speaker 9: like highly ten ten minutes after it was a it
Speaker 9: was done, but uh, but it sounded like it was gonna
Speaker 9: be a solid dark card. It was there, Yeah, promoted
Speaker 9: as their hundreds dark episode.
Speaker 7: Of the uh of the things?
Speaker 1: How many people were leaving in that first you know,
Speaker 1: ten minute window, like you, So when.
Speaker 9: I left there was there was a good amount of
Speaker 9: people leaving, but a good amount of people in their seats.
Speaker 9: I would say maybe like thirty percent people were leaving.
Speaker 5: I want to say.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but it was. But like I, I was able
Speaker 9: to walk to my car and get out no problem,
Speaker 9: which is a stark contrast to when I got there,
Speaker 9: when I was like backed up to a pretty much
Speaker 9: a mile of traffic and uh it had a like
Speaker 9: waiting line for twenty dirty minutes to park and stuff.
Speaker 9: It was not the not the best, not the best
Speaker 9: need to reach split that way.
Speaker 1: All right, Jacob, thanks so much. Call again, even if
Speaker 1: you don't attend the show. I'd love to talk about
Speaker 1: Donna in the future.
Speaker 9: Absolutely both do.
Speaker 5: Thank you much.
Speaker 1: Sounds good, Thanks Greg. It's great hearing from hearing from
Speaker 1: new people with crowds back and a lot of buzz
Speaker 1: and excitement about at old you right now. It's nice
Speaker 1: hearing from some some first time or infrequent callers. All right, Uh,
Speaker 1: let's uh right right before have you here? We got
Speaker 1: a skype call. I believe if you hear a tone
Speaker 1: that's you go at state your name and where a
Speaker 1: you're calling from. Hey, hey, Creig, thanks for calling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for holding. We're going long here, but an exciting night.
Speaker 1: What do you think of dynamite tonight?
Speaker 5: I'll make it very quick. Sure, I got another one.
Speaker 12: That's the macro question.
Speaker 30: I'll just say for the wig Keller outline.
Speaker 31: The they had three new songs play tonight.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 31: They had the space Jam song.
Speaker 6: They had the.
Speaker 5: Uh damn it. I had this already in my head.
Speaker 31: They had the uh, they had the uh, but the
Speaker 31: nick Gage song.
Speaker 6: Oh oh.
Speaker 31: Also they had the well there was another one. I
Speaker 31: can't remember it, but there were. They had two new
Speaker 31: songs and then the nick Gage songs. They introduced tonight,
Speaker 31: which wasn't for whom the belt Holes, like Rich predicted,
Speaker 31: might happen on everything. I'm wondering if since they had
Speaker 31: like something that mirrored or sounded kind of like for
Speaker 31: whom the belt Holes, if they have plans for him
Speaker 31: in the future on a w and I'll hang up
Speaker 31: and listen and let Greg get to bed, because you know,
Speaker 31: you guys got things to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, all right, thanks Greg? Yeah, Greg, your
Speaker 1: thoughts on on Craig's music question.
Speaker 4: Well, Tony Kahn seems to be a big music fan,
Speaker 4: and he doesn't seem to mind doling out money for right,
Speaker 4: so I'm sure it costs a lot more or to
Speaker 4: buy music to use in perpetuity than it does to
Speaker 4: buy a song to play once. So you know, he
Speaker 4: may just have wanted that for this episode of Dynamite
Speaker 4: and paid a little bit or whatever it takes to
Speaker 4: rent it. I don't know all the mechanics of buying
Speaker 4: songs to use, or buying the rights to music to use,
Speaker 4: or anything like that, but I don't think to me
Speaker 4: that signals one way or the other. Nick Age's future
Speaker 4: in aw.
Speaker 1: All right, in the interest of Oh, Craig, did you
Speaker 1: want to follow it? Or I couldn't tell?
Speaker 5: I'm good?
Speaker 1: All right, cool, cool, Thanks Greg? Thanks yes everyone.
Speaker 10: Go.
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Speaker 1: one more time. Here, see if you woke up, because
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. You know, he holds for over two hours. Jay,
Speaker 1: you're there, all right?
Speaker 5: Your battery here read?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I's going to say your batteries lasting quite
Speaker 1: a long time. Well, I'm glad I tried again, because
Speaker 1: my gosh, if you've held on a long time. By
Speaker 1: the way, Javier, you are next, nobody else call in,
Speaker 1: We've gone long enough? Go ahead, Jay, would you think
Speaker 1: of dynamite?
Speaker 10: So that?
Speaker 5: Oh man, thanks trying to get sorry mister the first time.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'll make it quick. Uh something that that
Speaker 5: I don't think we touched on tonight Justin Roberts right, So,
Speaker 5: I mean I enjoyed the show, and I enjoyed Justin
Speaker 5: Roberts most of the time, but his his ring announcements
Speaker 5: sometimes and it caught my extension. First with Lance Archer,
Speaker 5: uh he announced you know, uh where he's from, and
Speaker 5: his his uh, you know, his weight, and then he's
Speaker 5: like and he's the i w g P United States
Speaker 5: Heavyweight and the raining defending, and it just it felt
Speaker 5: like it was going and then of course murder Hawk
Speaker 5: it was going on, and I'm thinking why this ring
Speaker 5: announcement seemed so long to me? And so and he
Speaker 5: should have a nickname, right, you know. It was a
Speaker 5: championship match, but just having the whole raining and the
Speaker 5: mean thing, it just felt like maybe you save that
Speaker 5: for special title matches or for big main events. It
Speaker 5: just felt a bit weird, and so it had me
Speaker 5: wondering about Justin Roberts style overall, and you know he
Speaker 5: does hold John and Moxley and just the way, you know,
Speaker 5: is it just that he works with certain superstars and
Speaker 5: they come up with things. I know, the guys in
Speaker 5: AW seem to have more freedom or maybe more input
Speaker 5: I guess into too their their character development and storylines.
Speaker 5: But is there or do we know if Tony Kahan
Speaker 5: has some some input into how Justin Roberts, you know,
Speaker 5: announced these superstars. Sometimes it can just be a bit much.
Speaker 5: It's kind of what I'm getting at. And it jumped
Speaker 5: out to me with Land Archer, and then when we
Speaker 5: got to the Jericho Nick Gags match with Jericho, he
Speaker 5: had like three like nicknames. He's the Japanese Terror or something,
Speaker 5: and then something else and then the Painmaker and then
Speaker 5: and I'm like, what is going on? And you guys
Speaker 5: touched a little bit on we don't know what the
Speaker 5: future of Nick Gage is. But tying into what I'm
Speaker 5: saying about the ring announcing, he said that may have
Speaker 5: been the longest one, the introduction for Nick Gauge. And
Speaker 5: I'm not familiar with him. I know the name, but
Speaker 5: I've never seen a Nick Gage match before tonight, and
Speaker 5: they his introduction was. It made him seem like a
Speaker 5: big deal the way Justin Roberts talked about is this
Speaker 5: and that, this and that King of the death Match.
Speaker 5: And then immediately after Justin Roberts like got Gauge out
Speaker 5: of his mouth, mgf's music came on and they didn't
Speaker 5: give and I'm like, well, there goes that they're not
Speaker 5: doing anything with this guy. They didn't do. I didn't
Speaker 5: get a chance to to you know, to let that
Speaker 5: okain and go okay, so this is an e Gauge
Speaker 5: Like Jessin Robers talked him up and then it was like, okay,
Speaker 5: but he doesn't really need anything here comes in jail.
Speaker 5: I felt like the MJS introduction should have been prior
Speaker 5: to both Zercle and Mick Gauge. You know, okay, he'sa
Speaker 5: for commentary. Now let's get the stars out here. So
Speaker 5: I took that to me they're not doing much much
Speaker 5: with Nick Gage. He's just here for tonight.
Speaker 1: So j J, you know, Jay, what'd you think of
Speaker 1: what you think of Neck Gauge? I mean, like not,
Speaker 1: you know, not having seen him before, did he impress
Speaker 1: you should ably sign him? Did it seem like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll stick to the niche indie scene where you know,
Speaker 1: you have that audience that just is all into what
Speaker 1: you're doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hope this doesn't come across it, but I
Speaker 5: go with the ladder stick to the niche indie scene. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, bring him in now and then. It was
Speaker 5: a good match, but it was a bit much at times.
Speaker 5: You know, it's not something i'd look to see. I'd
Speaker 5: care to see, you know, weekly or even monthly or
Speaker 5: what have you. And I don't know, And I think
Speaker 5: maybe Greg spoke to it. I don't know that he
Speaker 5: I don't know his skill level outside of it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, he doesn't come across as being able to
Speaker 5: do a lot more So, what do you do with.
Speaker 7: A guy like that?
Speaker 5: You can't do that match every night? So yeah, I think,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe an apparance now and then or something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so Greg, my question to you is, do
Speaker 1: you think Nick Gage fans are going to be disappointed
Speaker 1: that he sold out to mainbeter ECW wrestlers. You know
Speaker 1: what chance you sold out? Did he sell out by
Speaker 1: going under the bright lights in Charlotte and doing a
Speaker 1: job to Chris Jericho? Yes, he kicked out at three
Speaker 1: point two and got to get a bunch of hardcore
Speaker 1: stuff in and Jericho, you know, brought the Painmaker, and
Speaker 1: Jericho's a legend. So it's not like you did a
Speaker 1: job to like, you know, Baron Corbin or something. But nevertheless,
Speaker 1: does this hurt his brand or does does this just
Speaker 1: make him more of a start because he brought his
Speaker 1: his brand in flavor of hardcore to a huge audience
Speaker 1: of a you know, probably one point one point four
Speaker 1: million people once this show has played itself out over
Speaker 1: seven days on table alone, not to mention social media
Speaker 1: and YouTube.
Speaker 4: I think the people who like and are really invested
Speaker 4: in Nick Gage see this is an opportunity for him.
Speaker 4: I don't see a lot of the people who like
Speaker 4: him seeing this as selling out. I think that they
Speaker 4: genuinely care about as strange as this sounds, they genuinely
Speaker 4: care about Nick Gauge as a human being and like
Speaker 4: that he's gotten this opportunity to break through. They'll cheer
Speaker 4: him on the indies, but they also want success for him,
Speaker 4: whatever that looks like in professional wrestling. And you know,
Speaker 4: it's hard not to call what we saw tonight a
Speaker 4: success for Nick Gage, given what he's overcome and given
Speaker 4: the obstacles that he's gone through in both his life
Speaker 4: and is in professional wrestling. So no, I don't sense
Speaker 4: that feeling, you know, in the last week since this
Speaker 4: announcement was made, and even in the aftermath tonight, I
Speaker 4: don't get the sense that anyone is really holding a grudge.
Speaker 4: I think that thinking of selling out I think that's
Speaker 4: largely gone by the wayside in professional wrestling, especially on
Speaker 4: the indies.
Speaker 1: Jay, anything else you want to add before him about
Speaker 1: ill you don't have to really.
Speaker 5: Going to detail. Was about to say, I'm excited about
Speaker 5: the punk Brian rumors, you know, and I've never purchased
Speaker 5: an ew pay per view, but if they were to
Speaker 5: tell me that Brian's going to be wrestling on one day,
Speaker 5: to have my money right away. So I'll leave it
Speaker 5: at that. Cool.
Speaker 1: Thanks Jay, thanks for listening and calling.
Speaker 5: Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 1: You bet.
Speaker 5: How are you guys?
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Speaker 1: All right, so we've run a long We'll just cut
Speaker 1: off the show there. Sorry to know, I'm kidding. I
Speaker 1: just wanted hoviers Hard to skip a beat. Appeal your
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Speaker 1: clean up. I guess although the bases might be clear
Speaker 1: and the fans might have left, Avier, what have you
Speaker 1: got for us? How are you doing?
Speaker 12: How am I doing? After that Monday?
Speaker 30: Yes, nothing is beautiful and nothing is beautiful and everything
Speaker 30: tastes like ash.
Speaker 1: So, by the way, you missed an opportunity. I don't
Speaker 1: want you to feel bad, but you could have snored
Speaker 1: and it would have been a perfect punchline.
Speaker 30: You know what, with all long this has gone, I
Speaker 30: would have probably just were probably been better, just you know, like, Okay, well,
Speaker 30: I guess what's it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, this is I mean, I'm having a good time.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm enjoying talking about this.
Speaker 7: Show.
Speaker 1: There's so much every it's like crazy, like this last
Speaker 1: like forty minutes, we brought up stuff we wouldn't have
Speaker 1: gotten to if we didn't go along. It's just one
Speaker 1: of those shows, and it's an exciting time with so
Speaker 1: many people at the show and in the building who
Speaker 1: are calling us. So yeah, I mean, I'm fine, but
Speaker 1: I feel you know, I feel bad for people who
Speaker 1: are sitting on hold and for a super long time.
Speaker 30: Well, and I'm amazed that nobodys brought up the best
Speaker 30: line of the night.
Speaker 12: Only two things motivate me.
Speaker 30: Only two things motivate me in my life, eventful God
Speaker 30: and wife.
Speaker 1: Yes, although I think the only reason maybe that wasn't
Speaker 1: is he said something super similar to that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: two three weeks ago, So I popped for it then
Speaker 1: and this felt slightly recycled, but it's it's mirror. Mirror
Speaker 1: is wonderful right now.
Speaker 30: It was the addition to vengeful to vengeful God.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was the that was what that was
Speaker 5: what popped. That's what what what.
Speaker 1: Got me to pause. Oh gotcha, okay, but yeah.
Speaker 12: You know, you know, because the other part was coming.
Speaker 12: But yeah, yeah, but yeah, the.
Speaker 30: I mean, I actually went and uh watched the gw
Speaker 30: C main event with Nick Cage, Uh, Nick Gage versus
Speaker 30: Mat Cardona, just to see what, you know, because I
Speaker 30: also had no experience with him, so I wanted to
Speaker 30: see what was going to happen.
Speaker 5: That crowd was nuts.
Speaker 12: Uh was amazing.
Speaker 1: Did you. I mean there's like videos out there of
Speaker 1: like fans being interviewed by fan cams afterwards, and my god,
Speaker 1: they worked up. I if I'm Matt Cardona, I get
Speaker 1: out of that building quick.
Speaker 30: Oh yeah, yeah, so and that was big. It was
Speaker 30: so to answer a jay, the introduction that he got
Speaker 30: was very similar to the introduction that they you know,
Speaker 30: gave him at uh you know, when they introduced them
Speaker 30: to the main event.
Speaker 12: So I think that might be kind of a kind
Speaker 12: of thing.
Speaker 1: Oh and I forgot to mention that too. Howeer I'm
Speaker 1: glad he brought I'm glad you brought Justin Roberts up
Speaker 1: again because he wrote about that, and he wrote about
Speaker 1: this in his book and I've interviewed him on the
Speaker 1: show about it. He I mean, he really likes to
Speaker 1: put you know, his signature on ring announcements and if
Speaker 1: guys are okay with it, and the promoter's okay with it.
Speaker 1: He really likes to do that. WWE Triple H especially
Speaker 1: ridiculed him for it, and they want their ring announcers
Speaker 1: to be professional, let and distinct, but not make themselves
Speaker 1: part of the show, and Justin makes himself part of
Speaker 1: the show. He is distinctive. But other ring announcers over
Speaker 1: the decades have been you know, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know if Howard Finkel went as far as Justin did,
Speaker 1: but there have been you know, Gary Michael Capetta, did
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he really I mean, Justin probably
Speaker 1: is taking it to a new level. But that's what
Speaker 1: he does. That's what aw hired, and if Tony wants
Speaker 1: him to tone down, he can ask him to do
Speaker 1: so and probably be more classic and polite than Triple
Speaker 1: H was because Triple H just you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of the likes to ridicule people and thinks it's funny,
Speaker 1: but it you know, people leave the room not feeling
Speaker 1: better about themselves the way he has treated people over
Speaker 1: the years when it you know, when people like Justin especially,
Speaker 1: and he wrote about that in his book. So my
Speaker 1: take on it is, I'm fine either way. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm fine with a more more basic, streamlined professional ring announcing,
Speaker 1: and I'm fine with adding some personality. Yeah, like he
Speaker 1: did with Sena and he does it with Moxley. I've
Speaker 1: found with that too. I think it's cooling. If Tony
Speaker 1: wants that as part of the flavor of his show,
Speaker 1: then Justin is fulfilling it. But if it air, you know,
Speaker 1: if Tony finds out it irritates people, it's easy. You know,
Speaker 1: Justin can tone it down, you know, thirty percent and
Speaker 1: it's not going to hurt the show.
Speaker 4: I think this is one of these things way that
Speaker 4: sort of we're some fans are indoctrinated with the way
Speaker 4: WWE has done thing done things because they're the only
Speaker 4: game in town for the last twenty years, you know,
Speaker 4: and ring announcers have always been in the background, sort
Speaker 4: of like referees. So I think, you know, if you
Speaker 4: ever watch boxing or even m m A, I mean
Speaker 4: that the announcers are very famous Michael Buffer, Yeah, Jimmy
Speaker 4: Lennon and guys like that. So and those are announcers
Speaker 4: announcements for some of those boxers that go forever and hey.
Speaker 1: Greg basketball PA announcers very much have a chance during
Speaker 1: the stuff that Kenny and the Bucks. We're mocking tonight
Speaker 1: or attributing to whatever the NBA does, very very justin
Speaker 1: Roberts like interest.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So. I think this is just one of those
Speaker 4: things where, you know, some fans just see how WWE
Speaker 4: does things, and when it's not that way, it's like
Speaker 4: a shock to the system and it's sometimes hard to
Speaker 4: wrap our heads around.
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Speaker 1: run throughout the week every week. H right, Howber yeah
Speaker 1: back too.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 30: So after watching the two matches, it's not my style.
Speaker 30: I mean, I really like bloody matches, but I like
Speaker 30: it when the wrestling moves lead to the blood letting
Speaker 30: as opposed to the blood letting being the wrestling moves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, that's my category too. Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, so I'm fine watching it like once a decade.
Speaker 30: But but but yeah, so it was But in terms
Speaker 30: of like what it meant for Jericho going through that, that.
Speaker 5: Was a good I liked it for that reason, for
Speaker 5: the overall.
Speaker 12: Story they're telling with the five Labors of Jericho.
Speaker 30: Yeah, and with him now going up against Hubin too,
Speaker 30: you know, when him bring out the Painmaker version of
Speaker 30: himself and now next going up against hub and Thune.
Speaker 30: Do you think that this might mean that he comes
Speaker 30: out as the Lionheart and this be like you know,
Speaker 30: and the rest of the labors be like a different,
Speaker 30: different era of Jericho.
Speaker 1: I'd be cool if they do that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: like that idea. Greg, what do you think that.
Speaker 4: Would be interesting? And I think that would fuel a
Speaker 4: lot of retirement rumors for Jericho if they're not already
Speaker 4: out there going through these five labors and eventually, you know,
Speaker 4: perhaps losing d M JFF and the finale. I don't
Speaker 4: know what retirement looks like for Chris Jericho, but you
Speaker 4: know a lot of people are saying he slowed down
Speaker 4: a bit in the ring with aw being sort of
Speaker 4: premium on entering work and things like that. You wonder
Speaker 4: how much longer he wants to run a full time schedule.
Speaker 4: Everything else he's going got going on professional length for him.
Speaker 4: But that would certainly be a fun capper to his
Speaker 4: career because he has had so many different character changes
Speaker 4: to keep himself relevant over the years, more so than
Speaker 4: perhaps anyone else in an industry where you know, if
Speaker 4: you get a spot, you keep this spot, and you
Speaker 4: keep everything that got you that spot and that character.
Speaker 4: So you know, there might be some of the things
Speaker 4: that he did in WWE that he might not be
Speaker 4: able to do, whether it's you know, the list version
Speaker 4: of Jericho or you know this that he could probably
Speaker 4: do the suit wearing Jericho, that feud with Shawn Michaels,
Speaker 4: because I don't know that you can claim, you know,
Speaker 4: intellectual property on wearing a suit, but that you know
Speaker 4: that that's sort of an interesting thought, Lion Heart Chris
Speaker 4: Jericho would I'm now I'm interested to see that and
Speaker 4: seeing what that would look like in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, ho, youre right, Well, all I have
Speaker 1: to do is hit that one last moon.
Speaker 12: Salt yeah, uh so, uh yeah. And and since it's
Speaker 12: come up like twice and Greg you kind of.
Speaker 5: Talked a little bit about it already, but since it's.
Speaker 30: Come out twice in the both the Labors of Jericho,
Speaker 30: since they've been noticed qualification matches. The point is not
Speaker 30: to for for MGF. If you think about if you
Speaker 30: think from the point of view of the of the villain,
Speaker 30: the point for MGF is not to just get out
Speaker 30: of the match. There's the re that's the reason why
Speaker 30: he has the five Labors of Jericho. It's to stretch
Speaker 30: the pain out as long as possible and then you know,
Speaker 30: snatch it at you know, because because the for for
Speaker 30: m Jeff will get off more like if he snatches
Speaker 30: away his you know, Jericho at the last possible moment,
Speaker 30: give him that last little bit of hope and take
Speaker 30: it away in the fifth match. That's why there's no
Speaker 30: reason for him to interfere is because if Jericho went,
Speaker 30: it's a win win situation for.
Speaker 8: For m j F.
Speaker 30: If if Jericho loses, well, he didn't have to face Jericho.
Speaker 30: If Jericho wins, well he gets torture him one more time.
Speaker 4: So classic movie villain you know, theory on things for
Speaker 4: from the point of view of m j F. And
Speaker 4: it always works in the movie. So I'm sure it'll
Speaker 4: work for m j F two.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and I'm that the the the which that was
Speaker 12: her name, uh Page losing in the uh in the opening,
Speaker 12: that that really like, I have no idea where they're
Speaker 12: gonna go from here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 30: I did go back and watch the promo because I
Speaker 30: also came out with its.
Speaker 1: It was weird.
Speaker 30: It was weird like how uh Omega said it because
Speaker 30: he said, you know, if if you lose, you lose
Speaker 30: your your your your your opportunity to challenge me. So
Speaker 30: I don't know if this was essentially a you know,
Speaker 30: elimination kind of thing where he can't, uh, he can't
Speaker 30: challenge him after all. But because I was thinking that,
Speaker 30: you know, okay, Hangman Page wins, he wins the title
Speaker 30: off Kenny, that's you know, Hangman Page is a crowning
Speaker 30: you know, crowning moment, and then uh, while he fused
Speaker 30: with whoever can challenge from the title, Uh omit excuse me,
Speaker 30: Omega can confude with either Danielle Bryan or Sam Pung
Speaker 30: and that that'd be another big, big story. But like
Speaker 30: one of the callers, you know, and then I kind
Speaker 30: of redunk rethunk that because one of the callers, you know,
Speaker 30: brought up the the you know that that that would
Speaker 30: basically bigfoot the championship. Because if you have a storyline
Speaker 30: where its Hangman Page challenging pretty much anybody versus uh
Speaker 30: Omega and seeing Punk, Omega seeing Punk is gonna be
Speaker 30: your a story and that's gonna, you know, make your
Speaker 30: your title the second story. And and and they're very
Speaker 30: they're careful enough with the with the title that I
Speaker 30: don't think they'd want to do that.
Speaker 1: It would be justice a pivot. It'd be justice for
Speaker 1: Punk to be in non title matches that are big
Speaker 1: footing Hangman Page title run though, give him. That's what
Speaker 1: happened to him during his run. Yeah, it's the Punk
Speaker 1: Revenge Tour.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna make more money than you people do
Speaker 1: all year.
Speaker 30: I mean, so if I'm wrong about it being elimination
Speaker 30: because I mean, again, that's what I felt like. But
Speaker 30: if it's not elimination, and that and the pay.
Speaker 12: Per view ends up being Hangman Page.
Speaker 30: And because you know, if you got both of them,
Speaker 30: then you could have Omega wrestle uh Daniel Bryan and
Speaker 30: you know Punk Wrestle Hangman Page. Uh so you know,
Speaker 30: in a more heelish And that's the thing. It doesn't
Speaker 30: necessarily need to be a heel versus heel or sorry,
Speaker 30: heel versus face. You could have you know, two heels,
Speaker 30: and just the fan are gonna go nuts because.
Speaker 12: They're gonna be this is awesome, both these guys.
Speaker 30: And and I'm sure that seam Punk can you know,
Speaker 30: do stuff too, probably make it, you know, so that
Speaker 30: you want Hangman Page.
Speaker 4: To win more than him.
Speaker 30: So but yeah, it's just it's interesting times that we're
Speaker 30: and and yeah, after what after they announced rampage and
Speaker 30: the carrowd chanting and everything they've said, I'm almost kind
Speaker 30: of half hoping that on the previous rampas will say, uh,
Speaker 30: you know, you know, make sure you come in next
Speaker 30: you know, next week, uh for because we have a
Speaker 30: huge signing. And then the huge signing is a bronze runner.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't. They shouldn't, don't, don't get too cute. Just
Speaker 1: just make money, just print money.
Speaker 30: Yes, yeah, but but seriously, if it's not saying punk
Speaker 30: at this point, I mean, I don't, it's gotta be.
Speaker 30: I mean there, there's there's like no way cannot be
Speaker 30: because you know, they've sign posted it so much and
Speaker 30: you know, so at this point it's and and you're and.
Speaker 5: You're right if they could.
Speaker 30: Just not officially announce it, because I think it's more
Speaker 30: fun and you know, if you just tease it until
Speaker 30: and then let let it, you know, until he appears
Speaker 30: and be the moment that you know that, I think
Speaker 30: that you get more of an emotional reaction from the
Speaker 30: crowd that way, then, you know, if you like the
Speaker 30: week before, unless, like you said, the tickets are you know,
Speaker 30: not there because people are not really one hundred percent
Speaker 30: sure and they're not going to buy their tickets until
Speaker 30: they're a hundredercent sure. But I'm pretty sure there they'll
Speaker 30: you know, I'm pretty sure that that'll be a sold
Speaker 30: out building.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I don't know if it's going to be
Speaker 1: a sold out building, but I didn't know if fall
Speaker 1: In was going to sell out, and it's sold out,
Speaker 1: and it sold out quickly, So I mean until they underperform,
Speaker 1: you know, but that's a big bill, and you know,
Speaker 1: but obviously they sold their ten thousand seats for all
Speaker 1: In and they've only gotten bigger and Punk's been away
Speaker 1: for a long time. I mean, I would put my
Speaker 1: money on a sellout, but I don't want to take
Speaker 1: away the sense that it would be an achievement by
Speaker 1: acting like if they don't do it, it's a letdown,
Speaker 1: because if they sell you know, thirteen thousand tickets or
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand tickets in Chicago and it's not WWE, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess that would be disappointing. It's hard.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Greg, Is it just by definition
Speaker 1: of disappointment if they don't sell out, whether or not
Speaker 1: they announce Punk officially overtly, I.
Speaker 4: Don't think so. I think if they don't sell out,
Speaker 4: they'll get darn clothes. Yeah, but you know, like you said,
Speaker 4: thirteen fourteen thousands something to sneeze ass for Chicago for
Speaker 4: you know, an episode of their secondary TV show. I
Speaker 4: think it's really showing the power that the aw has
Speaker 4: and the draw that that its roster has, and I
Speaker 4: don't think that's I don't think not selling out given
Speaker 4: the size of the building. If it's a smaller building, sure,
Speaker 4: but given the size of the building, I don't think
Speaker 4: not selling it out is a mark against them.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 12: Well yeah, And I'm and obviously that that.
Speaker 30: Is setting aside any COVID issues that there might be,
Speaker 30: and I say a lot of I'm also referring.
Speaker 12: To a w B styles all up.
Speaker 30: Yeah, like, you know, good ticket sales, but maybe one
Speaker 30: section cord now for whatever you know, quote unquote reason.
Speaker 12: But you know, you know, it's still the general the
Speaker 12: gist of it.
Speaker 1: And they're not gonna go I doubt they're going to
Speaker 1: gouge on prices. You know that's gonna they're gonna if
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't seen a pricing chart anything, but
Speaker 1: my ounj is they're gonna price it to sell it
Speaker 1: out and not price it to gouge the first you know,
Speaker 1: five thousand people or three thousand people. So this is
Speaker 1: gonna be and maybe I'll be wrong by next week.
Speaker 1: I haven't looked, but I think this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a show that's for the fans to experience something special
Speaker 1: without breaking the bank, and that's ben I think something
Speaker 1: that a wing that w is not doing.
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Speaker 30: But I actually just remember I did with something else
Speaker 30: up up on the brit Baker saying, I think they
Speaker 30: might end up keeping her keelish just because the top
Speaker 30: five women are thunder Rosa, Taikandi, uh christ Ra Atlander, cower.
Speaker 12: Sheet on red velvet and it's five.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 30: So, and and I think the whole point of of
Speaker 30: I don't.
Speaker 1: Want to be a baby face, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: that's a it's a conund room. I mean it's not
Speaker 1: it's not that big. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: That's true. And maybe that's and maybe they can make
Speaker 1: britt a heel again because of thunder Rosa, and that
Speaker 1: will lead to a better situation with the follow up opponents.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah uh so, yeah, that's pretty much what I
Speaker 12: had so.
Speaker 4: Talking to you, Greg absolutely have here.
Speaker 12: We don't talk enough.
Speaker 4: I'll take that as a hint.
Speaker 1: Ah, there you go. Yes, all right, thanks check out
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Speaker 1: we've gone long enough, Greg, and we will h save
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Speaker 4: Sure Wrestling Night in America Sunday nights, usually at eight
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Speaker 4: I'll have Tom Stoup on this week, who is uh
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Speaker 1: I talked, he talked enough to talk about dynamite.
Speaker 4: Don't call in asking about dynamite.
Speaker 1: There, you've got your you've got your fan based Greg.
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Speaker 4: That that's true, you know.
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