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PW torch dot com 27 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:27.120 slash Go VIP. 28 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:36.359 Now. 29 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:40.840 PW Torch brings you the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling post show. 30 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:47.319 On today's Wayekeller prog Wrestling post show, we jump back 31 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:51.640 five years too, our Dynamite post show covering the Wednesday, 32 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:56.319 July twenty six, twenty twenty one episode of AW Dynamite. 33 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:58.359 Greg Parks joined me as co host, just as he'll 34 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:01.359 be doing on the Flagship this Tuesday, our new episode, 35 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:04.359 and we talked not only about the show and with 36 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.239 live callers, but with four on site correspondent. There was 37 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.159 excitement about attending live wrestling again after COVID shut things 38 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.439 down for so long, and they talked about the hints 39 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:17.159 of cm punk, the United Center announcement and how cmpunk 40 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:20.000 could be utilized. Also, Hangman Page's failure to secure an 41 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.719 aw title shot and what that means. Cody Rhads being 42 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:26.159 booed against Malachai Black, a wild ten man tag match, 43 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:28.919 opening the injury to Cash Wilder, the latest with Britt 44 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:31.800 Baker's character and future title defenses, and much more so. 45 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.719 Let's get to it again. This originally livestream five years 46 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:37.639 ago this week on July twenty eighth, twenty twenty one, 47 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:39.599 and it is today's five years ago. Down to my 48 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:44.719 flashback for Sunday, July twenty six, twenty twenty six. Well, Greg, 49 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:48.319 we had a wild opening ten man elimination take match 50 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:51.960 to start off the show. We closed with Nick Gage 51 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:57.680 against Chris Jericho in a crazy violent match for national 52 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.360 cable television at least. But we got to talk about 53 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:08.759 Darby promo and reference to Best in the World and 54 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:13.759 the major massive announcement that they're coming to United Center. 55 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.439 You don't go to United Center in Chicago if you're 56 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:22.080 not super confident that you can sell some tickets. And 57 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:24.800 there's a certain Chicago native who's been in the rumor, 58 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:27.879 who's been the subject of rumors lately, who also was 59 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.960 referenced by Darby right before that announcement. They basically without 60 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:37.960 overtly advertising it confirmed they expect See M Punk to 61 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:40.800 show up in Chicago. Is there any other way to 62 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:41.840 interpret that, Greg. 63 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:46.400 No, I don't think so. I think, and I think 64 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.199 at this point if there was any other way to 65 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:51.879 interpret it, AW would be setting themselves up for a 66 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:58.400 massive fall on that episode. Being in Chicago, teasing, as 67 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:00.840 you said, see Them Punk with reference to Best in 68 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.360 the World by Darby Allen and that promo and then 69 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:07.639 not delivering on that episode would be an epic fail 70 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:12.840 for AW, one that they've not really experienced to that level. 71 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:16.000 I don't think thus far in their existence. You know, 72 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.680 they've hyped up some wrestlers a little beyond maybe what 73 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:23.560 they should have before, and now they're sort of downplaying 74 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.680 one of the biggest acquisitions they could make, perhaps the 75 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:30.199 biggest acquisition they could make at this point in twenty 76 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.319 twenty one. So it'll be interesting to see how it 77 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:35.800 develops and if we get any more hints in the 78 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:41.040 coming weeks leading into that episode of aw's new television show. 79 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:43.680 By the way, so you know, if they wanted to 80 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:46.600 really get people talking and get people to tune in 81 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.199 to really pop that first episode's rating, what better way 82 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:52.959 than to hint and then deliver that cmpunk is coming in. 83 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.040 Is that the best way to do it, as opposed 84 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:00.639 to overtly announcing it? And I'm wondering too, if they're 85 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:04.160 just seeing how ticket sales going Monday with just the 86 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:06.079 rumor mail and not announcing it, and if they go 87 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:09.240 well enough, do they just not announce it and count 88 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:14.319 on people just sort of knowing that that's or you know, 89 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:16.759 safely thinking it's a safe bet and I need to 90 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:19.600 be in the building for that. If they sell enough tickets, 91 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:21.680 they might not need to overtly announce he's going to 92 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:24.959 be there before cult a Personality plays or whatever song 93 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.439 he comes out to. Is that a possible way this 94 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:29.360 plays out? Is that why they're teasing it to see 95 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:31.879 what ticket sales launch is like on Monday? 96 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:35.160 You know, that certainly could be. I don't know if 97 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.639 they would ever even if ticket sales lagged a little bit. 98 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:40.600 I don't know if they would come out and say, Hey, 99 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:42.519 by the way, see IM Punk's going to be there. 100 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:47.800 I think maybe the references would get a little more obvious, 101 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:52.079 so I think they would be planting the seed in 102 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:54.399 a more obvious way. But I don't know that they 103 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:57.399 would ever outright announce it ahead of time, just because 104 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.759 there's so much more fun both for viewers watching it 105 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:05.240 home and for the people in the arena if it 106 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:07.759 is still somewhat of a surprise, even if you know 107 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:09.040 that surprise is coming. 108 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:15.759 It's It's amazing that you could debut sampunk on a 109 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:19.160 new TV series on Rampage and maybe not announced it 110 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:22.839 ahead of time, but have almost everybody know. I'm curious 111 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:26.120 what what that viewership number will be for the debut 112 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:29.680 episode immediately following SmackDown. You wonder if that w just 113 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:31.600 dog it that Friday, just be like, let's let's just 114 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:35.560 do a terrible shell. Let's let's let's announce terrible matches and. 115 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:38.240 Baron Carbon versus King Knakamura again. 116 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.560 Yeah. Well, I mean some would say that they maybe have. 117 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.240 It's it's harder to it'd be difficult for them to 118 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.240 do a better job making the announced matches seem less, 119 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:53.600 less recycled and repetitive at the very least. So definitely, 120 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:57.160 that's that ought to be a topic as we continue, 121 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:01.720 before we pivot to introducing our and getting the live calls. 122 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.839 What do you think of how the Nick gage AEW 123 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:10.600 match against Chris Jericho worked in the ring and in 124 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:11.720 front of the Charlotte fans. 125 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:17.639 The fans seemed receptive. They seemed to know, if not 126 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.720 who Nick Gage was, then what he brought to the 127 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:22.920 table in terms of the violence that he was going 128 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:28.360 to inflict and certainly did inflict on Chris Jericho. Jericho 129 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:30.759 was a champ. He took he took the beating, he 130 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.680 took the light tubes, he took the pizza cutters, he 131 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:37.600 took just about everything from Nick Gage, and somebody the 132 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:40.040 stature of Chris Jericho certainly doesn't have to do that. 133 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:44.040 So he put Nick Gage over. And we don't know 134 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.800 what the future of Nick Gage is in aew if any, 135 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:51.600 but you know, this was not you know, this didn't 136 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:53.319 give the impression that here's a guy we're going to 137 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.720 bring in and Jericho's gonna beat him quickly or anything 138 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.480 like that, and then we're going to discard him. 139 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:00.000 You know that set. 140 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:03.319 I don't know if there's a place for Nick Gauge 141 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:07.800 full time going forward in aw You know, he was 142 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:11.160 I was surprised they held off on the violence for 143 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:12.759 so long. I mean it was only maybe like two 144 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.319 or three minutes, but you know, you could see the 145 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:18.439 Gauge when it came to actually wrestling and executing maneuvers 146 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:21.759 and selling and things like that. Selling of the actual 147 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:25.800 wrestling moves, Gauge was a bit, you know, he was 148 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.160 a bit a step behind, I think, in terms of 149 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:32.039 what you've come to expect from wrestlers on the national 150 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:34.919 stage on national television when it comes to that. But 151 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:37.679 I didn't think it was a huge detriment to the match. 152 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.200 The awkwardness almost added to in some way. It almost 153 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:44.759 added to the lore of Nick Gauge, I think, as 154 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:47.639 much as anything else in this match. So, you know, 155 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:51.639 you go into a match with Nick Gauge hoping for violence, 156 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:56.240 especially one that is noticed qualification as this was, And 157 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:00.480 I thought for a national television on TNT, it was 158 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:05.279 pretty far on the spectrum of being violent and what's 159 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:09.279 acceptable on national broadcast television these days. 160 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:14.240 Yeah, I'm curious to see what the broader reaction is. 161 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:17.840 I felt that the fans in the building, by a 162 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:20.120 pretty wide margin, didn't pop for him. Either they didn't 163 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:21.799 know who he was or they'd kind of heard about him, 164 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:24.480 but they were going against Jericho, who they love, so 165 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:26.440 they weren't quite sure how to react. I think there 166 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.399 was some tension in the crowd or like a sense 167 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.919 of anticipation, but not like, holy crap, we get to 168 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:34.279 see him. You know, when I bought tickets, I didn't 169 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:34.679 know he's going. 170 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:34.919 To be here. 171 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:36.879 This is great, this is gonna be wild. Like when 172 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:40.159 you compare it to the crowd for the GCW show, like, 173 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:42.240 this was not a Nick Gauge crowd, and I thought 174 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:43.840 he kind of had to work hard throughout the match 175 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:47.879 to get some response. And ultimately, if you don't know 176 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:50.320 the legend of Nick Gage, and I just don't have 177 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.840 a read on how much of a niche audience it is, 178 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:57.440 it's a significant niche audience. I mean, there's hundreds of 179 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.919 thousands of views combined, you know, out there for his 180 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.720 match on Saturday against Matt Cardona, the former Zach Ryder. 181 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:06.919 A lot of people watched and watched handheld cameras and 182 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:09.159 post shows on it and all that. So I'm not 183 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:12.360 denying that. But in Charlotte on this night, it didn't 184 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:14.639 seem to me like the To me, I think if 185 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:16.240 you didn't know who Nick Gage was, you'd think, well, 186 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:18.679 this guy's you know, he's something else, but sort of 187 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:21.360 maybe a poor Manzadi Kingston. If you're an AEW fan 188 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:22.000 looking through that. 189 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.120 Lens, yeah, I guess. You know, the pops maybe were 190 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:28.399 more for the weapons that he brought out. I know 191 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.440 that the light tubes got a big pop, so maybe 192 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:33.639 that was more for him. But I think you're right. 193 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:36.320 I think when you have Nick Gage in a match, 194 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.960 even on TNT in twenty twenty one, you're sort of 195 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:42.600 waiting around for the weapons, right You're not interested in 196 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:45.559 seeing Nick Gage chain wrestle with Chris Jericho in the 197 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:49.240 main event. And you know, I think it speaks to 198 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:51.639 Tony conn and his confidence either in Chris Jericho or 199 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:53.600 in the Gage or both to give them so much 200 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:58.080 time in the main event of Dynamite. You know, there 201 00:10:58.120 --> 00:10:59.919 was another very big match on the show and open 202 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:02.559 the show. They could have just as easily made evented 203 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.679 with that if they didn't have the confidence in fans 204 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:08.720 to recognize who Nick Gage was, or for Jericho to 205 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:12.679 get a reasonable match out of Nick Gage in the 206 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:15.080 main event, so they could have swapped those two matches. 207 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:16.960 I don't think they could have because I do not 208 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:19.840 think you can run that match well their first hour, 209 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:22.159 So that's fair. 210 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.519 I guess to me, it's just you know, if you 211 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.120 look at the card from a Star Power standpoint, this 212 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:30.440 was not the only match that could have made evented. 213 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.240 So the fact that they did go with it and 214 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.039 all the violence that was associated with it, I think 215 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.799 still was a thumbs up and giving it so much time. 216 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:43.679 Like I said, you know, I think they started the 217 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.200 entrances maybe twenty minutes left in the show, So this 218 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.120 was not something they just tried to get on there 219 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.720 and get passed just to get it over with in 220 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:51.320 the main event. 221 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:54.799 Yeah. Yeah, So I'm real curious, like I said, what 222 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:59.600 the reaction is among our callers and emailers. Speaking of which, 223 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:01.639 let's introduce the show and give out the phone numbers. 224 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.240 This is the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling post show for Wednesday, 225 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:08.919 July twenty eighth, twenty twenty one. I'm Wade Keller, editor 226 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.679 of the Pro Wrestling Torch weekly newsletter and the website 227 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:15.080 petew Torch dot com. I've been covering professional wrestling as 228 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:18.440 my job for over thirty years, and I also host 229 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.080 farriety of VP shows and VP podcasts throughout the week, 230 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.240 and of course this the way Keller Pro Saying post 231 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.159 show and the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling podcast. 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And Kelly Wells from the PWT Talks 243 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:09.120 NXT podcast, part of the PW Torch Daily Cast lineup, 244 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.120 We'll be joining me to talk about tonight's dynamite Tuesday 245 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:14.840 Nights a XT in just the general state of NXT, 246 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:17.480 the treatment of carrying cross. We'll talk some New Japan, 247 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:21.440 perhaps some GCW and Nick Gage and some Impact and 248 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:26.720 oh yeah, WWE's other topics, so check that out. Should 249 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:30.039 drop tomorrow night on our Blue Logo Show. The other 250 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:34.320 voice you hear tonight is Greg Parks, longtime Progressing Torch 251 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:37.960 newsletter columnist, also the host of PW Torch Daily Cast 252 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.360 also called Wrestling Night in America that airs live on 253 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:45.200 Sunday nights. It is our pay per view post show format, 254 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:48.559 so he's certainly used to this format other than he's 255 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:50.120 now the guest, not the host, but we'll be taking 256 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:54.120 calls and he on non pay per view nights. He 257 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:57.120 talks primarily about big events and professional wrestling, often with 258 00:13:57.159 --> 00:14:01.440 the co host, always with callers at Greg Parks on Twitter. Greg, 259 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:03.120 welcome to the coast here. Good to have you here 260 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:03.720 on the post show. 261 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:07.240 Yeah, happy to be here on such a newsworthy I 262 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:08.440 think episode of Dynamite. 263 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:12.200 Yes, how was your vacation by the way, it was wonderful. Wonderful. 264 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:15.320 Yes, just getting it in under the wire as I 265 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:17.720 go back to school next week. So it was my 266 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:20.080 last hurrah, I guess before we get started again. 267 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:22.840 Yeah, and you go to school or teach school? 268 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:26.360 Well, I teach, but I go to school. 269 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.960 No, No, I know the answer that question. I'm just 270 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:31.240 I'm just saying for people listening, you know, they might 271 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:35.039 it's cool that you're a school teacher. Yes, yes, well great. 272 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.879 Grade seven I teach civics, so social studies nice. 273 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:40.159 So that's important these days. 274 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:43.600 It is. It's also a lot harder to thief because 275 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:44.559 you got to watch what you say. 276 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:49.159 Oh man, But I'm glad they're teaching that because it's important. 277 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.039 It's so, I mean, it's so important. Anyway, let's we 278 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:54.240 got tons to talk about, and we want to have 279 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:56.279 you if you are listening to our live stream to 280 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:59.840 join us. Our phone number here on the Post show 281 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:03.759 three four seven two one five eighty five fifty eight. 282 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:08.720 That's three four seven two one five eighty five fifty eight. 283 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:11.960 And when you call, push one on your keypad. It's 284 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:14.120 amazing the people who don't know to do that if 285 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:16.039 they want to be on the show. 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I'm looking at the switchboard. 319 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:08.079 We might have more callers than we have ever had 320 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:13.279 for a dynamite, which is interesting. So with that said, 321 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.039 let's get to it. And with that said, please be 322 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:19.039 forgiving if I interrupt you, if you start to do 323 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:22.240 a long monologue. It's not you, it's just a courtesy 324 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:24.279 to the people on hold late at night here and 325 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:26.559 make just try to make your point quick, and we 326 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:28.279 might not go back to you, you know, two three 327 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:30.799 times like sometimes we do when we don't have so 328 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:32.480 many callers. But we want to get as many opinions 329 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:34.839 that as we can, but lead with your best stuff. 330 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:38.359 So yeah, let's let's use that as our launching point 331 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:40.079 to go to our first call. Our first call is 332 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:44.160 a VIP or a VIP or not Inn the poblety 333 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:47.160 Torch VIP member since but a former person TORDS columnist. 334 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:49.640 Sometimes he sits in the co host chair, Eric Kroll, 335 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:55.200 who is in Chicago, and I assume we'll be at 336 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:59.680 the Rampage event to see the first dance featuring presumably 337 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:02.839 seeing a punk Eric Glad that you called. Great to 338 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:05.599 have you on as our first caller. What's your take 339 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:07.960 on the show tonight? It's probably probably doesn't have a 340 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:09.640 lot to do with the women's match, I'll guess. 341 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.720 Thanks Wade, Hi Greg, You guys are fat. 342 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.279 I just I had it was so much to process tonight. 343 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.720 The thing I want to talk about is the booking 344 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:23.720 of Adam Page. 345 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:24.519 He didn't win. 346 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:28.440 Uh So the main what we all kind of assumed 347 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:31.440 maybe was the main event for all out Paige in 348 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:35.480 Omega is as of now not happening, and I'm not 349 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:39.000 sure how they get back there because if that is 350 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:42.279 double plan, I mean, they have potentially two high profile 351 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:44.759 signings coming in, so they could just go straight to 352 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:47.759 see him punk Kenny Omega on a three week build 353 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:50.599 it all out, But I was really looking forward to 354 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.920 Paige in Omega, and the entire rest of the show 355 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:58.200 was just I was upset. I mean, I've been this 356 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:03.480 emotionally invested in pro wrestling since Omega and Okada, the 357 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.519 match where Omega on the belt years ago in Japan, 358 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.599 so I guess I'm looking at the psychology of it. 359 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:14.559 If if it were a heel situation, he could just 360 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:17.680 attack the baby face, and the babyface champion says, I 361 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.440 know he lost the MA stipulation match, but gosh darned 362 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:22.079 and I'm pessed off. I want him in the ring 363 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:25.160 right away. I want him in the ring. It all 364 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:27.279 out in the title match. He's getting his title match 365 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:28.759 because I want to beat the hell out of him. 366 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:31.759 The Page is the face. So the psychology to do 367 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:34.279 something like that, an angle like that doesn't work. I mean, 368 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:36.359 all this may be irrelevant now if it's if it's 369 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:37.960 just gonna be the CM punk show, But. 370 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.079 What what was your guy? 371 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:43.680 How could they get back to Paige Omega if that 372 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:44.359 were the case? 373 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:45.799 Or am I just being naive? 374 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:48.799 And there's probably no way that that's now cast off 375 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:50.920 and to the side, and we're gonna have to wait 376 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:53.240 a year or two for the conclusion to that the 377 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:54.960 Elite versus Page story. 378 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:59.720 So my take in EXCaliber noted that you know, hang 379 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:02.000 on page lost earlier tonight, he moves out of the 380 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:06.240 number one connector spot. In that same uh paragraph, he said, 381 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.720 you know that Christians right number three kind of dropping 382 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:11.359 the hint of a possibility if Christians to win here, 383 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:13.519 that could move him up and maybe he's going to 384 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:16.240 be the number one contender. I did not take Page 385 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:20.559 losing unless I'm What was the was the stipulation that 386 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:25.119 if he lost, he doesn't get a title shot air Yeah, overtly. 387 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:27.640 The whatever Dark Order tag team doesn't get the. 388 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:33.480 Yeah yeah yeah. So I mean the thing and the 389 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:35.680 reason I say that is EXCaliber said it moves him 390 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.359 out of the number one contender position, but he didn't 391 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:43.079 say explicitly it eliminated him from getting a title match, 392 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:45.559 and so I to me, like it just I don't 393 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.759 think the average viewer watching the show, unless I missed 394 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:57.440 some emphasis, would necessarily see that result as like conclusive. 395 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:01.440 Yet if it was a way bigger deal should have 396 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:05.559 been made of it, you know, because I'm sitting here thinking, well, 397 00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:09.440 it's a step back, but it doesn't eliminate So, Greg, 398 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:12.240 what was your take on how they presented that and 399 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:13.920 did you did you have kind of the same reaction 400 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:14.599 as Eric. 401 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:16.839 Did a little bit. 402 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:17.319 Yeah. 403 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:21.559 I I the Eric kind of went out of my 404 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:25.440 balloon when Adam Paige lost there. I was figuring that 405 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:29.640 they would use it as continuing his momentum towards all 406 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:34.799 out to eventually face Kenny Omega for the title. Now, 407 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:39.160 the presence of cmpunk, the potential presence of Daniel Bryan 408 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:42.519 Brian Danielson in AW in the next several weeks or 409 00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:46.920 months could complicate that. But I think the crowd reaction 410 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:50.119 to Adam Page tonight, and since crowds have returned and 411 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:55.880 mass has should have solidified in the minds of AW 412 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:58.759 decision makers that they are on the right track in 413 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:01.480 getting Adam Paige ready to face Kenny Omega at the 414 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:03.599 next pay per view. I think that's the right way 415 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:08.000 to go. I think, you know, this has been a 416 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.119 long journey for Adam Paige, and I don't know if 417 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:14.240 you want to tease the Omega stuff again only to 418 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:16.880 pull it back and make that journey even longer, because 419 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:19.519 I think you risk more so than any other point 420 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:22.880 during this run. You risk fans trying to get off 421 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:25.680 the ride a little bit, you know, and and thinking 422 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:27.839 that this was going to be that moment for Adam Paige, 423 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:29.119 and now it's like, oh no, we have to wait 424 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.599 aget because Christian is going to get his journey. And 425 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:34.559 I don't think there's anybody really clamoring for Christian to 426 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:36.880 get a shot over Adam Paige, even if it's the 427 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:41.279 story that aew is telling. So you know, this is 428 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:43.039 I see it as a little bit of a bump 429 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:46.160 in the road, you know, as you said, Wade, they 430 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:50.680 they certainly did not hammer this throughout the show. You know, 431 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:55.119 this was in the first the first match, and if 432 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:59.079 it had such big repercussions, as you know we're thinking 433 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:01.119 here that a whole that would have been something that 434 00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:04.279 they would have revisited throughout the show. So the fact 435 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.039 that they didn't tells me it just may be a 436 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:09.119 bump in the road for Adam Page. That another thing 437 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:10.680 that he has to overcome in order to get to 438 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:11.599 Kenny Omega at all. 439 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:13.960 Out two other quick notes, and i'll throw back to York. 440 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:19.400 The crowd was going nuts for Hangmen, and we got 441 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:22.319 an on site note from from Kevin who said, the 442 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:25.279 crowd here is hot for everything tonight. People have been 443 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:30.759 chanting for Hangman since the Dark Elevation taping earlier. So 444 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:33.000 he's got other notes from there, but he said, this 445 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:34.920 is the best life show I've ever been to. In 446 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:37.200 addition to some other things, we'll get to later. But 447 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:40.920 if the crowd is that hot for Hangman and you're 448 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:44.319 like Ceampunker Daniel Bryant, and Tony's like, well if I signed, 449 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:45.759 if I pay this much money to get him in, 450 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:47.119 I want to strike while it's hot. I want to 451 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:48.599 set a pay per view by rate record. I love 452 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:50.920 Hangman Page. He's my guy, and he's going to be 453 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:53.200 my guy. But he's young, and I don't want to 454 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:56.119 have you know, Punk or Brian, you know, kind of 455 00:23:56.119 --> 00:24:00.400 hover doing matches and in storylines at angles like Christian 456 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:03.000 Cage that could cool him off. I don't want to 457 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:06.680 take a detour like Miro did into some self indulgent 458 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:09.400 sidebar thing. Obviously Punk and Brian are bigger deals in 459 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:13.640 Christian or Miro. But nevertheless, he might be thinking, let's 460 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:15.480 just strike while we can't. Well, they aren't hot, Let's 461 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.000 just do this in a big way right away. I 462 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.920 find Punk or Brian though I would, especially Punk. I 463 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:24.200 guess maybe you don't worry about Chicago, but you know, 464 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:26.480 as a crowd gonna be a little sour if you 465 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:30.880 take something away from their guy does see him Punk 466 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:36.839 become the batista to Daniel Bryan in this situation, where 467 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:40.079 it Backfarres. I doubt it, but but I throw that 468 00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:43.000 out there. So Eric, any any thoughts or follow up 469 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:43.559 on any of that. 470 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:45.960 Yeah, I mean so the stipulation, I guess. 471 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:47.480 I guess language matters. 472 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:50.519 The stipulation was that if page in the dark order, 473 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:54.119 one page would get earn a shot at Omega's world title. 474 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.839 In duk dark order would get the tag team title shot. 475 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:00.160 So I guess, yeah, it wasn't a given that was 476 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.599 getting a title shot. From your point where I think, 477 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.599 I'll be hugely disappointed and and I feel I feel 478 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:10.519 like they didn't. They didn't pay a storyline the way 479 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:11.119 they normally do. 480 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:11.319 Right. 481 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:13.839 One of the things that's satisfying about AEW's booking is 482 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:16.920 it tends to progress if even if it's progressing in 483 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:20.559 ways you can see, you often get that satisfying ending. 484 00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:24.720 And the page coronation would be the logical conclusion of 485 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:28.759 this given how much he's over. As Greg noted, I'll 486 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:32.960 quickly say the main event was not for me. It 487 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:35.720 was just kind of gross and repulsive. I was prepared 488 00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:38.039 for the I thought I was prepared for the pizza cutter. 489 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:39.200 Spot, but clearly I wasn't. 490 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:40.799 I just had a certain way. 491 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:43.839 It's just not my thing. And then. 492 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:49.359 I am wondering if on August twentieth at Rampage at 493 00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:51.519 the United Center, which is they're looking to sell eighteen 494 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:55.640 to twenty thousand tickets to that, assuming with COVID cases 495 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:58.240 on the rise, there's not a rollback and they have 496 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.440 to sell fewer at the very least, I imagine there'll be 497 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:04.079 a mass an end date in place by the time 498 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:08.440 August twenty throws around in Chicago. But I think he 499 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:12.720 popped for cmpunk coming out to his music in Chicago. 500 00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:16.519 We have the loudest pop I've ever heard, eclipsing Cody 501 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:20.200 versus Nick all this at all In and Hogan climbing 502 00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:22.319 out of the cage versus Paul Orndorf at the Rosemont 503 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:26.480 Horizon back in I think eighty six. And then and 504 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:30.680 then my final thing. Jim Ross watched tonight. 505 00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:32.400 God is he awful. 506 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:40.039 He called Julia Hart green, which was true, but I'm 507 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:41.839 not sure she needs to be buried by the announced 508 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.119 team on national TV like that. She didn't have to 509 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:46.839 be put on National TV. They put her on Dynamite. 510 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:48.480 Right, and that match was pretty rough. 511 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.839 And then he also said during the opening match that 512 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:57.319 page had pinned Omega and Kallous, you know, quickly got 513 00:26:57.400 --> 00:26:59.599 in his grill and his heel fashion to cover for 514 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:02.480 that air. But you know how many more weeks of 515 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.839 Tony Kam'm gonna let Jim Ross pull focus from the 516 00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:10.440 action with his mistakes in his crankiness before he talks 517 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.599 to him or you know, reduces his role to an interviewer. 518 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.839 Yeah, it's funny too, because other than those moments, I 519 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:22.319 thought Ross and I thought recently he's been more energized. 520 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:22.480 Now. 521 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:24.160 I think that just coincides with going back in front 522 00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:26.119 of live crowds and not being in the hot, outdoor 523 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.319 Jacksonville arena that I think made him grumpy, and I 524 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:31.480 think he'd lost some energy, and there was sort of 525 00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:34.880 a casual repetitive repetitiveness and also maybe a sense at 526 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:37.559 times the show doesn't matter that much in the bigger 527 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.079 course of things. I think he comes across as more energized, 528 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.440 and I think when he's not doing his worst work, 529 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:44.880 he's doing his best work in aw if that makes sense. 530 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.519 I think there's a to me. I think as a 531 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.359 counterpoint to what you pointed out, which is factually correct 532 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.759 and not good. I mean the green thing. You know that, 533 00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:56.920 I don't know that every person sees that as like 534 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.400 a derisive term as much as just a factual statement. 535 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.160 He always agreen she's a rookie, not that she's bad. 536 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:06.240 So I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong on that, and 537 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:09.200 may people see green as more of an insult than 538 00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:12.119 I do, and it matches more with you, But in general, 539 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.960 I think Jim has been better the last few weeks 540 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:21.119 and showing the value he has when he's doing good work. Greg, 541 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:22.559 I'll throw to you and then you Eric. You can 542 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:24.240 also reply to dr of Us or bothos. 543 00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.880 Yeah, I sort of agree with your interpretation of the 544 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:31.359 term green. I think in professional wrestling it's been used 545 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:34.599 derogatorily so much that I think that's just how we 546 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:38.279 see it now. You know, we see these big, you know, 547 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:41.400 muscle bound wrestlers over the years who've been described as green, 548 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.519 and we automatically attach something negative to it when it's 549 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:49.319 not necessarily inherently a negative term. I thought he was 550 00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:51.279 at his best tonight in the main event, probably just 551 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:53.559 because I think he was genuinely disgusted by some of 552 00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:56.480 that stuff was going on. So, you know, I'll give 553 00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.279 them points for that, But yeah, there are some weeks 554 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.920 where it's just it's it's really rough to listen to him, 555 00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.839 and you kind of wonder, you know, he can be 556 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:09.880 valuable to AW with with the number of years he's 557 00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:12.160 been around professional wrestling and the number of jobs that 558 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:15.359 he's had, you know, is there a better place for 559 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.759 him in AW in terms of some sort of management 560 00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.799 or behind the scenes role that may not be announcing 561 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.680 each and every week. Maybe it's just announcing main events 562 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.480 of Dynamite, maybe it's just announcing pay per views. Maybe 563 00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:31.440 it's you know, scaling back some of his announced duties 564 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.000 so he's only on for the most important stuff where 565 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:36.680 he really seems to shine as opposed to some of 566 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:41.079 the other matches where uh, you know, he's I don't 567 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:44.240 know if if he comes across as disinterested sometimes or 568 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.920 grumpy or whatever the case may be. That's not really 569 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.480 a descriptor you use for any other announcers in the business. 570 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.400 And I think if Jr. Had not had the track 571 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.799 record that he's had, that, you know, he would have 572 00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:00.440 a lot shorter leash for for some of this. But 573 00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.359 he is a legend and I think that Tony Kahn 574 00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:06.400 more than anyone else that we've seen lately in the 575 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:10.839 wrestling business does want to treat the legends respectfully and 576 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.240 I and I don't know if he's even entertained the 577 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.759 idea of taking Jim Ross off commentary. 578 00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:18.119 Eric anything else from you in response to that or 579 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:20.240 another topic, No that I think. 580 00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:23.880 I just want to say, I think the August in 581 00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:28.240 September might be among the most exciting periods and wrestling 582 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:30.160 possibly since Hollanish jumped. 583 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:31.359 I mean, I had a donut. 584 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:34.319 Hole in my Repling fandom of about fourteen thirteen, fourteen 585 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:36.400 years you know, wait, but ate the family. 586 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.079 But it's super exciting. 587 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:42.759 So it's just gonna be you know, pins and needles 588 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:44.039 for the next two months, I think. 589 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.759 And what percentage of that is not AW for you? 590 00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:50.519 Oh, it's all okay, I mean aw, it's a little 591 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.799 bit of it's almost all the AW. But it's a 592 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.160 little bit of New Japan. And how does that all work? 593 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:57.920 And the open door stuff? How does that shake out? 594 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.359 And I that's you know, I would love it if 595 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.480 the main roster WWE was watchaful week to week, right, 596 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:09.160 we all benefit from that if we've got you know, 597 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.079 but what w W do you eas? 598 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:12.559 Response? 599 00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:14.720 I just asked because I thought maybe you're sup excited 600 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.599 about Goldberg or Scena or something, so I was just 601 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.920 making sure, you know, and you said yeah, But but 602 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:21.720 I I would have put money on you. 603 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.759 I'd be super excited if WWE strapped a rocket to 604 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.279 some really good wrestler who could do pro who's kind 605 00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.400 of a total package and UH and made them their 606 00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:33.000 new star, right so they didn't have to bring in 607 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.200 Sena and UH and Goldberg. That would be great and 608 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:39.839 maybe maybe that maybe this, you know, the excitement the 609 00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.319 next two months and a w big TV ratings and 610 00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.559 and or big paper view buy rates will sperm and 611 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.319 sick Man to finally do that, finally clean up the 612 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.160 mess in his very financially successful house. 613 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.599 Yep, awesome, Eric, thanks for calling and kicking off the show. 614 00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.079 Thanks yep you Greg, thank you. 615 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.200 Are you a fan of AW looking to sit back, 616 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:11.359 relax and listen to some like minded podcasters who share 617 00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.759 your passion. Do you want to be topped off the 618 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.160 ledge after a segment that has you wondering what the 619 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:18.640 heck are they thinking? Do you want to join a 620 00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:21.759 discussion on what AW is doing right and what they 621 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:22.720 could do to improve? 622 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.359 Then join me, Joel and me Greg for. 623 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:27.839 The All of the Conversation Club every Friday on the 624 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:31.680 PW torch Live Cast. Fee search pw Torch in your 625 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:35.079 podcast app and subscribe to PW torch Daily Cast or 626 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.240 stream our shows directly from pw torch dot com. Find 627 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:42.839 full details on the PW Torchdailycast lineup at pw torchdailycast 628 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:56.759 dot com. 629 00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.920 All right, let's jump to our first on site correspond 630 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:04.400 Who is either in the building still or left after Dynamite. 631 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.400 I believe we got Eric Another Eric calling us who 632 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.240 was in at tennis tonight. Eric, is this you? 633 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:13.000 Yeah, Hey Wade, this is me. Hey, I'm already home. 634 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.599 So I'm afraid I missed what was happening with aw Dark. 635 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.240 But yeah, cool. Cool that one hundredth episode. You can 636 00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:23.680 watch it on YouTube on Tuesday. Cool. So, first of all, 637 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.559 health or not, I said you can. I'm not assigning 638 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:29.079 you such a duty. 639 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:29.319 Eric. 640 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:34.880 First of all, thanks for coming, good, Thanks for calling in, Greg, 641 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.319 and I will bombard you with some questions. We won't 642 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.160 take too long, in part because we just have so 643 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:40.559 many people on hold. I want to chime in on 644 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:44.359 tonight's show, but we'll definitely get your take on this. Yeah, 645 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.240 how full was the arena tonight? 646 00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:52.599 So it was about ninety full I think, compared to 647 00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:56.279 the last show that we had in the Bojangles Coliseum, 648 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.759 which was in October or early November of twenty nineteen, 649 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.359 which I think was about sixty percent full. This was 650 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:08.519 a considerably larger crowd than we had last time in Charlotte. 651 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:13.239 So I don't know what that is due to. If 652 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.480 it was, I know, excuse me, Matt Hardy was doing 653 00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.000 sort of some local press in the last. 654 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:20.320 About week and a half. 655 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:25.639 But they definitely sold more tickets in Charlotte this week 656 00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.119 than they did in twenty nineteen, and that. 657 00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.159 Is to me more relevant than even how big the 658 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.559 crowd is, although that's certainly an important metric. Is are 659 00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.599 they throwing more or less yeah than last time? So 660 00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.840 that's really important to know. I'm dying to know what 661 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.599 was Where were you sitting roughly, and what was your 662 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.800 take on the reaction to Nick Gage? Did people absolutely 663 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.079 know who he was and go as crazy for him? 664 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:51.199 Or it was more of an oddity of curiosity, let's 665 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:52.960 see what this guy's all about? Kind of describe it 666 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:53.719 in your words. 667 00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:55.760 Yeah, so we were in the upper deck on the 668 00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:59.480 hard opposite from the hard camera side, not on the 669 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:02.840 not probably in the area that the camera captured. But 670 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:07.199 we were up, i don't know, about three quarters of 671 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:11.960 the way up on the side there, and there were 672 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.039 certainly the rows behind us were also full, although I 673 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:17.840 had a few sits next to me that were empty, 674 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.679 so it wasn't one hundred percent filled in where we were. 675 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.320 People seem to know who Nick Cage was. There were 676 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:28.079 several M d K signs in the crowd, and it 677 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.440 seems like those those that didn't were sort of willing 678 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.760 to go along with those that did know who Nick 679 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:39.119 Gage was to sort of think that he was somebody important. 680 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.920 I think, I mean, for what it's worse, I think 681 00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.199 more people knew who Nick Gage was than knew who 682 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:49.679 Kanahashi was when he came on the on the video 683 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.360 screen to challenge the winner of the iw G P 684 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:53.360 US Championship. 685 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.320 Yep, I'm not surprised by that. I mean, just given 686 00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:58.599 you know, I mean obvious ACNA she's better on forever 687 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:00.960 and as a legend, but just given the recent buzz 688 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.519 and some YouTube numbers and you know, just a conversation 689 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:06.360 these days, you know, nick Age is a flavor of 690 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.119 flavor of the the month or the era, however you 691 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:12.519 want to however narrow or broad you want to make it. 692 00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:17.079 You know, the documentary certainly introducing him to a lot 693 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:17.559 of people too. 694 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:18.119 Absolutely. 695 00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:20.440 Yeah, Greg, I jump on in with a question or 696 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:21.960 two for Unsye correspondent Eric. 697 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:24.599 Yeah, I want to go back to the first match 698 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:28.599 of the show. Just a hot crowd for that that 699 00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:33.639 tag match. What was the reaction to Adam Page losing. 700 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:37.639 Did you sense some steam getting let out of the 701 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.360 crowd at that point or were they pretty consistently hot throughout? 702 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.159 Yeah, I think it. I think it did. Loop. It 703 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.559 did really some theme from the crowd. We were all 704 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.519 really excited for that match. 705 00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:56.079 I think. 706 00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:01.280 We got there during the Dark Elevation taping before the show, 707 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:06.960 and Tony Khan came out a little bit during that 708 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:11.280 I guess before the Elevation Dark main event and said 709 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:14.320 that we would be starting with the ten man as 710 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.239 the as the main event, So people are not very 711 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:22.079 excited for that. I do think the crowds energy dropped 712 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.400 after that first match, you know, I sort of I 713 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:30.599 turned to my buddy that I saw the show with 714 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.840 after after the str quite and powerful match, and I 715 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.880 was like, oh, I should probably rewatch that match because 716 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:40.719 I wasn't paying quite as much attention, so I thought 717 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.679 it might be I don't know, if it was sort 718 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.119 of a case of the opening match was such a 719 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.760 big deal that we were all invested in it and 720 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:51.719 sort of at the end of it, you know, we're 721 00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:55.039 sort of spent in terms of the energy that we had, 722 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.519 or if the bookie of the end of the match 723 00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.840 was sort of what led to that. But there was 724 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.000 sort of a moment after that where it's we're like, oh, man, like, 725 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.119 what do we do now? And the energy was not 726 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:10.679 up in the room quite as high as it had 727 00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.519 been after that first match, although we did come back 728 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.559 a little bit when when during the main. 729 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:23.320 Event, Okay, yeah, gohig, Greg another question otherwise I can yeah, 730 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:26.280 I was, you. 731 00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.760 Know, you mentioned the tana Hashi thing, and and that 732 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.159 was another big piece of news that we haven't even 733 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.480 gotten to yet. Tonight as he faces he'll face Lance Archer, 734 00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:39.159 the winner of the Archer Versus Hiccolo match tonight on 735 00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.760 on Dynamite. The reaction for tana Hashi, you know, when 736 00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:46.840 you see stuff on the video board watching at home 737 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:49.280 that's being shown on the video board and the arena. 738 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.800 Sometimes it's hard to gauge the crowd reaction to tana Hashi. 739 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:56.280 But what was your kind of your impression to the 740 00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:57.360 reaction to Tanahashi. 741 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.639 Yeah, so I would say like about thirty percent of 742 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:01.239 the audience was. 743 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:02.000 Hyped for that. 744 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.800 They saw us kind of Hashi come up on the 745 00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:07.599 screen and it was like, oh, this is this is 746 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:11.480 a major thing, right, Like, there's certainly that segment of 747 00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:15.719 the aw audience that knows New Japan, knows who the 748 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.000 major players are and sees this as. 749 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:18.199 A big thing. 750 00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:22.719 And then the rest of the audience, you know, I 751 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:24.920 would say like maybe for fifty percent had no idea 752 00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:28.000 who Tanahashi might have been. Another twenty percent of the 753 00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:30.440 audience might have been like, oh, I've heard of this guy. 754 00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:33.079 And then there was a thirty percent of the audience 755 00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:35.199 that was enthusiastic and on their feet of whom was 756 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:40.599 tana Hashi was on the screen. So, you know, I 757 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:43.960 know sometimes on these podcasts, we we'll talk about there 758 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.159 being the sort of like like a vanguard or a 759 00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:50.920 taste maker kind of an audience that that that knows 760 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:55.159 these international connections in the wrestling world who might lead 761 00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:57.960 the rest of the audience to get hyped about saying 762 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.079 so like that that that matches with my experience, Right. 763 00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.599 It's certainly not everybody who was there in this arena 764 00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:12.559 and knew who tan Hashi was, But there was a vocal, enthusiastic, 765 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:16.800 sizeable minority who did know who kind of made noise 766 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:18.960 for it, and then that might have gotten other people 767 00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:20.760 to sort of say, like, oh, yeah, this is somebody 768 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.159 that we should pay attention to. This is not uh, 769 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:25.400 you know, just sort of some random international star that's 770 00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:29.119 coming in. This is like somebody major, some major player. Yeah. 771 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.440 Yeah, I like the term vanguard. I say bell Weather fan. 772 00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.000 I've said influencer, but vanguard sounds way more cool. I 773 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.599 would rather be a Vanguard fan than a yeah influencer 774 00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:41.960 or a bell Weather So. 775 00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:46.480 Yeah, no, like influencers are up on TikTok ban cards, 776 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:49.880 are the revolutionarys that are showing the way for how things. 777 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.760 Ought to be exactly. I may borrow that going forward. 778 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:54.880 I'll see if we'll see if I remember tomorrow, so 779 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:56.440 there's a good chance I'll keep using it. 780 00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:00.000 So you absolutely have my permission to use that language. 781 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.360 Thank you, Eric, So, yeah, I felt that the great covered. 782 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:06.960 I thought the steam kind of seemed to come out 783 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.599 of the building for FTR into ten on Orts. It 784 00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:12.039 was a tough spot to be in, even with a 785 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:14.360 buffer with with U, which. 786 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:18.360 Is a shame because it's a shame because FTR are 787 00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:21.719 you know, relatively local boys, right they're they're they're from Ashville, 788 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.360 North Carolina, which is, you know, like an hour and 789 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:26.400 a half two hour drive from where we were today 790 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.760 when we saw them here, oh four or five years 791 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.039 ago as part of the n XT show, Like they 792 00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:35.880 were clearly our hometown boys that we were cheering for, 793 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:40.480 even though they were heels, and so it was a 794 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.400 bit of the reaction to Night was a little bit muted, 795 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.280 I thought in relation to that. 796 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.159 Yeah, I'm curious about the placement of the match, because 797 00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:51.880 you could have put Lance Archer in that spot. You 798 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.119 could have shaken things up and not had the women 799 00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:56.119 in the you know, the match before the main event 800 00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:58.360 at the bottom of the second hour spot. Even the 801 00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:01.920 six man tag with Private Party and Company that the 802 00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:05.079 Matt Hardy and Company, that could have worked. So, yeah, 803 00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:09.360 that was interesting. It's next level coverage that you come 804 00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:12.639 to expect from the PW Torch brand. No AI, no 805 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:17.519 rookie perspectives, no unfounded rumors, no clickbait, no deceptive headlines, 806 00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:21.840 just high quality writing, breaking news, and fascinating flashbacks every 807 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.760 day at PW torch dot com. Pull yourself away from 808 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:26.960 the vacuous social media experience that I know many of 809 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.719 you regret once you get lost in it for minutes, 810 00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:32.000 if not hours at a time, and settle in for 811 00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:41.119 high quality PW Torch branded wrestling coverage. So was there 812 00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:43.920 anything that surprised you tonight in terms of crowd response, 813 00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:47.039 either more or less in a significant way than you 814 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:48.400 would have forecast going in. 815 00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:49.840 Yeah. 816 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.480 So the main event for Dark Elevation spoiler folks to 817 00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:56.320 fast forward if you don't want to hear this spoiled 818 00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:01.519 was Darby Allen was in that match, and Darby Allen 819 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.119 got absolutely one of the biggest props of the night 820 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.559 he was. It was maybe not quite as big as 821 00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.079 what Hangman and the Dark Order got for that match, 822 00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:18.440 but it was certainly a major major pop that he got. 823 00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:22.679 Sting was there also for that match, so some of 824 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.320 it was Staying and some of it was Darby Allen, 825 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:32.039 But it surprised me how into that act the crowd was. 826 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:33.679 Was there anything less Like, do you think there's a 827 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.519 wrestler who would be disappointed in how the crowd reacted 828 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:37.079 to them tonight? 829 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.639 Let me think about that for a second. I mean 830 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.559 I got a probably SPR right. I thought that spr 831 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.360 would have gotten more of a reaction. 832 00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:49.960 Just because of their history. 833 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:51.679 In the region and and sort of being you know, 834 00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:55.039 if you're from here, you kind of know that those 835 00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:59.360 guys are mostly local boys, right, They've they've worked the 836 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.320 indies around here before they went to d XP and everything. 837 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.440 So their reaction was a little bit muted, but again 838 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.360 a tough spot because they were coming after that ten 839 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.039 man match. But I think all of us who were 840 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.440 going into the show was kind of assumed would be 841 00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:15.679 the main event match. 842 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:21.840 In the main event with Jericho engaged, was there a 843 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:23.920 sense that it was going too far for a lot 844 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.719 of people, Like when the pizza cutter came out and 845 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:31.440 got utilized, there was a response from some people on 846 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:33.800 the floor opposite our camera that just it was like 847 00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:36.079 cringed and like I want to look, but I don't 848 00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:39.239 want to. Did this seem like a bloodthirsty crowd that 849 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.079 loved that style or did it seem like maybe aw 850 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.920 is going a little too far, at least based on 851 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:46.840 the Charlotte crowd rerection. 852 00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:49.000 So honestly, it was a little bit hard to tell 853 00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.400 from where I was sitting. I was in road w 854 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:57.440 of my section, so pretty far back, so it at 855 00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.760 least from where I was sitting, given the amount of 856 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.679 beers that I'd had up to that point, the kind 857 00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:09.480 of visceral nature of the Pizza cutter spots might have 858 00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:14.599 felt a little bit muted to me personally. People seem 859 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.280 to certainly be into the moments when he brought out 860 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:23.639 the light tubes and more I mean for me personally, 861 00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:25.840 more so than than than the pizza cutter. The light 862 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:28.760 tubes are kind of the cringe inducing moment. I haven't 863 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.880 seen the David Arquette documentary, right, Like, like knowing that 864 00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:34.639 it was not the pizza cutter, but but the light 865 00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:39.400 tube that went into our cat's jugular, that's the kind 866 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:42.639 of neck gage moment that I'm like, we really want 867 00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:44.800 to be seeing this, right. I was kind of happy 868 00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:48.679 that I wasn't in the front road to be inhaling. 869 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:52.159 That kind of. 870 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:56.599 Glass dust that gets that that happened when when you 871 00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:01.000 break those, so you know, take it with a grand 872 00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:03.360 assault and maybe the other the other on site correspondent 873 00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:06.320 will happen to say about the if he or she 874 00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:11.159 was closer to the ring from way in the back 875 00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:19.079 where we were sitting, it was Yeah, it didn't seem 876 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:23.239 like too far, but you know, I don't know, maybe 877 00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:24.440 we're we're inared to that. 878 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:26.920 But the crowd was a crowd just going completely crazy 879 00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:28.440 like this is a great I can't believe I'm here 880 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.920 for this Or was it like something less than that? 881 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:32.039 Oh? 882 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.440 No, I think we were excited about it. Like so 883 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.280 my my buddy and I turned to each other like like, 884 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.559 how did we accidentally go to a death match? Right? Like, 885 00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:42.920 that's neither of our particular styles of of of of 886 00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.960 what we like in uh in pro wrestling. It's really 887 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:48.800 not what we saw from a e W about a 888 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.559 year and a half ago. A little bit more than that, 889 00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.079 I guess, Yeah, it's not what we seek out, but 890 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:58.519 it was still kind of like an interesting spectacle. 891 00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:58.480 To be at. 892 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.880 Yeah, it's or anything else you want to share, Eric, 893 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:03.719 before we move on other callers here. 894 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:07.920 The line for the merch was way longer on the 895 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.519 way and than I thought it would be. There was 896 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:12.480 a long, long line for the merch and there was 897 00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:16.679 absolutely more merchandise in the stands this time than there 898 00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:19.599 was last time that they were in Charlotte. Like I said, 899 00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:23.800 bigger crowd, more merch. It seems that I mean kind 900 00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:25.840 of kind of and trivily and way. You would know 901 00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.400 this better than I, since you keep track of things 902 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.199 like the TV ratings. But whatever the TV ratings were 903 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:35.000 like in October November, I remember exactly what it was 904 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:39.199 that they were here less than Charlotte. The live crowd 905 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:43.760 was absolutely bigger, and I think they were spending more 906 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.599 money on it, so you know whatever that might mean 907 00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:51.599 for aw's business, Like, they have more momentum than. 908 00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:52.599 I was expected in the half. 909 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.880 I was expected to go into a building that was 910 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.760 about the same level, you know, about sixty percent full, 911 00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:01.880 which which is what I think it was last time. Yeah, 912 00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:05.519 or maybe a little bit less than that given concerns 913 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:11.199 over COVID, But it was more than that. So yeah, 914 00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.880 there there there is some momentum going on here. So 915 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:18.239 you know, to to your thesis and Todds and other 916 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:19.840 people who have said this right that it wouldn't be 917 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:24.239 surprising if AW is sort of will be overtaking the 918 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:28.159 ww's business in the next few months or in the 919 00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.519 course of the next year. Like there is some evidence 920 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.480 here that that there's this kind of grassroots grounds well, 921 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:36.519 and how that turns into other kinds of business metrics, 922 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:41.000 it's an open question, I suppose. But yeah, just in 923 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:44.199 terms of being their life tonight, that there was more people, 924 00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.440 they were more excited. I think they were spending more 925 00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:52.199 money on the merchandise, and so that's that. That all 926 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:54.480 augurs well for aw's next year. 927 00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:56.280 I think, Eric, what what'd you pay for your upper 928 00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:58.360 deact ticket, Because part of having merchandise money is you 929 00:48:58.400 --> 00:48:59.840 don't get gouged for the actual things. 930 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:05.320 Yeah, it was seventy two bucks and we weren't we 931 00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.760 weren't in the upper upper deck. We were sort of 932 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:12.079 three quarters of the way up. About seventy dollars after 933 00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.679 fees is what we ended up paying for our tickets. 934 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:18.159 I didn't buy any merch this time, but I've bought 935 00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:24.159 some stuff from them in the past via TWTs or 936 00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:30.760 yeah whatever is Yeah, all right, cool, Well, Eric, I 937 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:33.199 think last last time tickets were about the same price. 938 00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:36.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, awesome, Erica, thank you so much. 939 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.960 We'd ask you more, but want to get to our 940 00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:40.400 our long line of callers here. We want to talk 941 00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:42.239 about tonight sholl So thank you so much. Appreciate you, 942 00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.639 yeah being our first of perhaps more than one Onzie 943 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:46.960 correspondence to night Yeah. 944 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.320 Sure thing and y'all know to go VIP, stay, VIP, 945 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:55.800 do VIP whatever needs to happen to get keep way 946 00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:59.119 of doing what he's doing. So thanks for having. 947 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:02.440 Out Eric Kidwerk, appreciate it. Thank you. He's talking about 948 00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:04.440 VP membership. You can go VIP here this show with 949 00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:06.079 the ads and plugs are removed. Get all our VP 950 00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.400 content that is new throughout the week. 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Every week, 972 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:19.679 I break down four or five of the biggest trending 973 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.760 topics in pro wrestling. I also present my analysis, providing 974 00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:26.599 insight that helps you understand the story better or see 975 00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:29.679 it another way. Then maybe is the controversial takeout there? 976 00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:32.039 Then I bring on a special guest for the second 977 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:35.119 half of the podcast. Sometimes it's a wrestler or someone 978 00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.440 else who works in the business. Other times it's a 979 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.559 guest analyst who brings their specialized point of view out 980 00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:43.639 a particular key topic in the news. Recent guests have 981 00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:46.920 included Bronson Reid from WWE and PCO. 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I'll bring 987 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:03.840 my decades of studying this industry and talking one on 988 00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.280 one with dozens of wrestling promoters to each week's show 989 00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.679 so you understand not just what's happening, but the context 990 00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.320 of why get ahead of the news, Get ahead of 991 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:17.800 the pack with Radking Worldwide only at PW Torch VIP. 992 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.679 All right up, next we'll go to nine to one 993 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.960 two nine one two, Thanks worlding go it. State your 994 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:32.119 name and where you're calling from. 995 00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:36.599 Uh, yeah, this is David from Brunswick, Georgia, probably an 996 00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.119 hour north of Jacksonville there. 997 00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:41.599 Awesome, thanks for calling. Uh David, what do you think 998 00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:42.480 of Dona White tonight? 999 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:43.920 Uh? 1000 00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.320 I was only I've caught bits and pieces of it. 1001 00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:50.360 I work night shift, so I'm typically listening to it, 1002 00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:54.239 but I caught the the gauge. 1003 00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:56.400 Jericho back, yeah, and I. 1004 00:52:56.360 --> 00:53:01.360 Guess the the uh My biggest question is it seems 1005 00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.280 like you know this for labor number two, I should 1006 00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.039 admit for you know, labor number five. You know, I 1007 00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:09.880 feel like it kind of went to such an extreme 1008 00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:11.320 that you're not gonna. 1009 00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:11.760 Be able to top it. 1010 00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:13.679 And I just kind of wanted to get you guys 1011 00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.679 opinion on what you think about it, you know, uh, 1012 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.440 you know, being number two, you know out of out 1013 00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:20.039 of five. 1014 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:24.719 There, Yeah, Hove and Tude. I wouldn't say we're bearing 1015 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:26.440 the lead by not bringing it up by now because 1016 00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:28.480 it maybe maybe it's number seven, eight nine or ten 1017 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:30.239 on Tonight's show with so many things going on, but 1018 00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:32.920 a cool name for the Monight Night War era, a 1019 00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:36.360 time that, uh that Tony Khan is fond of and 1020 00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.880 they like to do callbacks. And I thought it was 1021 00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:41.079 good use of that, uh Hoove in Tude reference with 1022 00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:44.880 Jericho and MGF and the conceptions story for MJF. If 1023 00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:47.800 not for Hoove and two, there'd be no MGF. Greg. 1024 00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:50.199 Your your take on what David brings up in terms 1025 00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:53.119 of the sequence of this, does it necessarily have to 1026 00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:55.480 get worse each time or does it just have to 1027 00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:59.440 be like really different each time to avoid not seeming 1028 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.039 like it's in the wrong order, if that makes sense. 1029 00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:05.960 It does seem like they're going more for different than difficult, 1030 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:09.199 because yeah, if you're looking at it that way, tonight's match, 1031 00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:14.320 it's hard to imagine a fifth labor being more violent 1032 00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:18.360 than this match. So this would have, I think, easily 1033 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:20.880 fit for number five. I don't know, maybe they have 1034 00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:25.400 a plan for who number five is and it's a 1035 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:29.559 big name or some major stipulation or something like that. 1036 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:33.000 Maybe there was a fear that introducing Nick Gage to 1037 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:36.280 the audience is the fifth labor. You know, some people 1038 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:39.199 would have not believed, even though it would be a 1039 00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:41.679 violent match, that Jericho wouldn't be able to get passed 1040 00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:44.119 to this guy who's never been on national television before. 1041 00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:48.760 So maybe that's the thinking. But it really does make 1042 00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:52.480 you wonder what do they have planned for number five 1043 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:57.559 because the first three are all very different in terms 1044 00:54:57.559 --> 00:54:59.840 of not only match styles but opponents, with who would 1045 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:03.800 two Guerrera coming up next week? So it does I 1046 00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:06.599 think add a lot of intrigue to not only who 1047 00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.039 number five will be, but also what number five will entail. 1048 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:16.639 Yeah, I'm less strong, feeling like it has to get incremental, 1049 00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:21.360 like decisively incrementally worse as much as it's just five 1050 00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.440 difficult hurdles I have, especially for the first four. Yeah, 1051 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:27.599 I think the fifth one I ought to feels special, 1052 00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:29.679 like I don't think Whoventude could pass as a fifth 1053 00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:32.239 one if Nick Gage is number two, you know, like, 1054 00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:35.280 but huve Intude being number three out of the first 1055 00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.280 four before the grand finale, I think it's fine. I mean, 1056 00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:40.400 I think ultimately it kind of will all kind of 1057 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:43.360 be a blur and blend in once we get there. David, 1058 00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:44.760 any follow upon that or any other. 1059 00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:47.480 Topics, No, I just I just want to say I 1060 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:48.880 appreciate all the content. 1061 00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:49.360 You know. 1062 00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.000 I listened to you with Gray quite a bit. I 1063 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:54.719 go the Hozzi what I can, and definitely everybody else 1064 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:55.519 go the yatt. 1065 00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:58.599 I appreciate it. David. I'll call again when you get 1066 00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:02.360 a chance. All right, thank you, you bet all right? 1067 00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:07.360 We'll go next to Ken in Milwaukee. Ken, good year 1068 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.079 for me again. What do you think of downa By tonight? 1069 00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:11.159 I enjoyed it. 1070 00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:14.079 I was going to Greg Ivan called with Greg on 1071 00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:14.400 the line. 1072 00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:18.920 Ever, well, I'm glad to be here. Always loved talking 1073 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:20.239 Dynamite and good talking to you. 1074 00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:21.480 All right. 1075 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.519 Well, I enjoyed the show tonight. I applaud aw it 1076 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:28.320 seems like a wrestling show, which I mean good or 1077 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:31.960 bad segments. It keeps me interested in looking for more. 1078 00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:36.199 I mean, I guess a really good part of tonight, 1079 00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:41.400 especially at the beginning, was I'm definitely invested in I'm 1080 00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:46.280 definitely invested in a hangman like really like an investment, 1081 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:50.599 like how I felt maybe with Punk and Brian years ago, 1082 00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:55.360 whereas I feel like it was very deflating when he lost. 1083 00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:59.519 I was still holding out hope, but at the same 1084 00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:04.039 time a little relieved because I think with Punk and 1085 00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:08.440 Brian on the horizon, it would have bigfoot. It would 1086 00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:11.559 bigfoot him at the next pay per view if he won, 1087 00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.880 and then he's overshadowed by Brian and Punk. So I 1088 00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:19.800 guess that leads me into this point. With Brian and 1089 00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:24.400 Punk coming, I feel like there's some difficult booking scenarios 1090 00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:29.199 on the horizon for a w I don't know how 1091 00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:35.000 you integrate two of two names of that caliber, especially 1092 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:38.400 when I think in the past few months they've introduced 1093 00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:41.280 I don't know how many other new names that ideally, 1094 00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:44.199 I think you want to get your money out money's 1095 00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:47.360 worth out of and they should be going over right, 1096 00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:53.000 like Malachi Black Andrade and even Christian Cage. At this 1097 00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:56.079 point it feels like that was supposed to be a 1098 00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:59.079 big sign and at this point he no one wants 1099 00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:02.599 him even in the upper mid car to let alone 1100 00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:06.360 main event Pitcher. So how do you guys do you think? 1101 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.280 How is it possible? Especially if Punk comes in against Darby. 1102 00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:15.000 Darby's a big babyface. Unless Punk's coming in to endorse Darby, 1103 00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:19.599 I only see it kind of hurting Darby even being. 1104 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:20.280 In that situation. 1105 00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.480 With Punk's first appearance, I think the crowd is going 1106 00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:28.599 to be just so heavy on Punk's side. So how 1107 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:33.599 and is it even possible for them to integrate Brian 1108 00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:38.119 and Punk without bigfooting some homegrown talent or even this 1109 00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:39.480 recently acquired bunch. 1110 00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:44.079 The only date that I heard on Brian was I 1111 00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:47.880 think mid September, So if Punk comes in in August, 1112 00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:50.519 he kind of gets the feel to himself. I have 1113 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:52.960 not heard what punk schedule is going to be. You know, 1114 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.679 if it's a short term program and he becomes the 1115 00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:57.920 guy that he was critical of, you know ten years ago, 1116 00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:00.760 who pops in for a big payday as a legacy star, 1117 00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:02.519 or if he's just going to be in every week 1118 00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:04.280 part of the grind, you know, moving in and out 1119 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:06.559 out of a top you know, one or two spot. 1120 00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:10.360 I don't know, so that remains to be seen. But 1121 00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:14.599 if Punk comes in, does a program with somebody significant 1122 00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:17.000 and then disappears until around the next pay per view 1123 00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.079 and then comes in, like, there's a way to weave 1124 00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:20.639 him in but not have him get in the way 1125 00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:23.199 of Daniel Bryan having his moment. And you don't want 1126 00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:27.480 to be WCW when they had Chris Jericho, for example, 1127 00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:30.440 but were preoccupied with stars of the past and didn't 1128 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:35.079 know what they had in Jericho. Or going back further, 1129 00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:37.480 Steve Austin when Eric Bischoff didn't see a lot in 1130 00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:40.559 him and didn't think anybody at the time did, even 1131 00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:42.320 though I was writing about it, even though Paul Hayman 1132 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.199 on my radio show, granted he was managing Steve at 1133 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.920 the time, but framed Steve as a as a future 1134 00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:50.800 top top centerpiece act who would be the number one 1135 00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:52.800 star in this business, and he did that well. He 1136 00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:56.679 was stunning Steve long before he was stone cold. You 1137 00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:57.960 don't want to be that, you know, you don't want 1138 00:59:57.960 --> 00:59:59.920 to make that mistake of your Tony Kahan. Get in 1139 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.280 enamored with a shiny toy that's been a national TV 1140 01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:04.719 star and has a high Q rating with the casual fans, 1141 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:08.880 and ignore the homegrown story that's being told with Hangman 1142 01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:13.079 Page and in Charlotte, North Carolina tonight was he was 1143 01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:17.840 the guy that everybody was most crazy for. So it's 1144 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.079 a good problem to have. You don't want to turn 1145 01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.719 down signing Punk and Brian. But I think what you're 1146 01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:25.400 saying and Greg out get your comments, is Tony's got 1147 01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:27.880 his work cut out for him to manage. It's like 1148 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.400 having a basketball team with you know, four all stars 1149 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.840 who all want minutes two at the same position, Like 1150 01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:36.039 you have got to figure something out. And that's the 1151 01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.360 challenge right now for Tony. But again, it's a good challenge. 1152 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:39.840 I'm sure he welcomes it well. 1153 01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:42.239 First, I would caution and say that I don't think 1154 01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:44.039 Darby Allen is saying best in the world in his 1155 01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:47.880 promo definitively means he's going to be feuding with CM 1156 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:53.039 punk or will be confronted by CM punk whenever Punk debuts. 1157 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:56.400 I think there were a few oblique references to or 1158 01:00:56.440 --> 01:01:00.440 opaque references, I should say too Punk tonight one of them. 1159 01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.760 I think, even an MJF promo at the end where 1160 01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:07.400 he used a line from Cmpunk's pipe bomb promo. So 1161 01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:09.360 I think that which one was that? 1162 01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:10.400 By the way, what was the line? 1163 01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:12.199 Oh, I'd have to go back. I saw it on Twitter. 1164 01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:15.039 I hope go back and get it. But I think 1165 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:17.280 it was something about Jericho sitting there in the most 1166 01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:21.440 pain he's ever been in his life. But you know, 1167 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.239 I think AW has done a nice job throughout its 1168 01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:31.800 run of sort of making putting guys on islands and 1169 01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:36.159 having each feud feel separate and different from everything else 1170 01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:38.960 going on within the show. And they've also done a 1171 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:45.079 really nice job of rotating feuds throughout shows. Some of 1172 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:48.159 those feuds get the top of the second hour, some 1173 01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:50.320 of them get main events, but they don't always get 1174 01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:53.320 the main events spot. You know, we've seen Chris Jericho 1175 01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:55.880 wrestling as many opening matches as we have in main events, 1176 01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:57.920 and I think probably the same goes for the young Bucks. 1177 01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:02.920 It's not like ww BE where every main event of 1178 01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:06.119 Raw has some combination of Lashley or dramagatire for the 1179 01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:10.360 last six months, you know. So because of that, I 1180 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:13.239 think it does feel like more people are on a 1181 01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:17.079 more level playing field in the hierarchy of AW. And 1182 01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:19.199 I think because of that, it's easier to slip in 1183 01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.920 a CM Punk or a Brian Daniel when you don't 1184 01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:25.360 have to say to yourself, if you're Tony Kahan, Okay, 1185 01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:28.039 how do I fit Cmpunk's feud and Cody Rose's feud 1186 01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:30.960 and Kenny Omegas feud in the main event of Dynamite 1187 01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:32.960 every week? Well, you don't have to. You know, you 1188 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:35.880 can still make them feel special by putting them throughout 1189 01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:39.599 the show. And now AW has a second show that 1190 01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:41.480 they're going to be able to utilize a lot of 1191 01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:44.360 these talent on will It remains to be seen if 1192 01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:47.039 AW will treat it as just as big of a 1193 01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:49.800 deal as Dynamite, or if fans will see it as 1194 01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:52.280 just as big of a deal as Dynamite. 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Either way works. 1218 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:07.159 Go to Patreon and start your seven day free trial. 1219 01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.440 All right, anything you want to add ken to that 1220 01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:17.559 or a different topic. 1221 01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:21.400 One more question and I'll let you guys go back 1222 01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:25.880 to the world title picture. With Hangman, I feel like 1223 01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:30.480 he has to at some point when he can't have 1224 01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:33.440 the match and lose, and he has to beat Kenny 1225 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:37.800 Omega because the story has been going on at least 1226 01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:40.800 with the tag team thing and the Elite since Dynamite began, 1227 01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:43.639 and the crowd is so behind them. I'm afraid, and 1228 01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:45.880 maybe I'm looking at it through a lens of being 1229 01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.400 pessimistic after you know, watching WWE or something, that he 1230 01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:52.400 would have this match lose and it would be you know, 1231 01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:56.159 something about getting heat for the for a Brian fuse 1232 01:04:56.679 --> 01:04:59.559 or something like that. I feel like he will be 1233 01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:03.280 hurt that will follow him if he doesn't win this match. 1234 01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:05.800 So I guess the last question is, do you guys 1235 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:08.920 think that. 1236 01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:08.800 It's a must win for Hangman. 1237 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:11.760 He must win and he must be Kenny Omega. 1238 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:14.559 Well, I've talked about that, and I think if you're 1239 01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:17.159 Tony Kahan, yes, the concern you bring up Ken is 1240 01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:20.119 is I don't know if vital is the word, but 1241 01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:25.280 certainly relevant, but also if Kenny seems to be clicking. 1242 01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:29.760 And I mean I was as critical of Kenny and 1243 01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:32.519 the Bucks as you know, probably any one of a 1244 01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:38.159 semi prominence in the podcasting wrestling jurnalism realm, based on 1245 01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:40.440 what just felt like they were just kind of floating around, 1246 01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:42.840 living off the reputation and people finding over them and 1247 01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:46.000 not really finding a groove. And I've like flipped on 1248 01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:48.639 the Bucks for sure in terms of their hail persona 1249 01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:50.719 and every week their ring entrance has become a show 1250 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:53.480 onun to itself. They're they're putting tons of thought into 1251 01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:55.320 their ring gear, which was not the case for the 1252 01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:58.159 first you know, year plus year and a half. Kenny 1253 01:05:58.199 --> 01:05:59.920 Omega just seems to be having a blast. I think 1254 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:02.079 he's booed by the live crowd in a big way 1255 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:06.119 and and that's that's fine, you know, that's understandable. He 1256 01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:07.960 also is battling injuries and he seems to be in 1257 01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:12.599 just better shape now just you know, the contours of 1258 01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:15.840 his physique look more like main event Kenny than you know, 1259 01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:20.480 you know, fat contract happy Kenny chilling out and being weird. 1260 01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:25.519 So I'm like, I I think you might want to 1261 01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:28.679 stick with Kenny with the title if you think you can. 1262 01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:31.119 You know, we've a good storyline of page, you know, 1263 01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:33.719 fighting from underneath. You don't want to play that story 1264 01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:38.000 out too long. But but I don't know that you 1265 01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:40.679 had that that you just for the sake of hang man, 1266 01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:43.039 especially with a lineup of opponents. You know, when you 1267 01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:44.760 look at the heel and face lineup, does Danny Brian 1268 01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.280 come in as a heel? You know, does he want to? 1269 01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:49.320 Brian is kind of Jericho esque in the sense of, 1270 01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:51.519 you know, he might want to reinvent himself and he 1271 01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:54.320 wants to keep things interesting for himself. And I would 1272 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.079 would not rule out that he comes in his heel 1273 01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:00.400 and Punk. Probably not right away, but he might think kay, 1274 01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:03.199 and maybe right away. I mean he had there was 1275 01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:05.880 some derisive back and forth with him and Cody and 1276 01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:07.800 the Bucks, and you know, when Punk was a bigger 1277 01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:10.000 deal than the Bucks and Cody, he was like, they 1278 01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:12.639 pretend we're better friends than we are. They're trying to 1279 01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:14.119 use my name to make it seem like I might 1280 01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:16.440 committ a w like that. That was, if not overtly 1281 01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:20.239 said the implication he could come in and probably turn 1282 01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:23.199 the fans against him pretty quick, so all of a sudden, 1283 01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:24.920 you would have, you know, Hangman, page against, He'll take, 1284 01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:28.119 then page against, he'll Daniel Bryan. That those are possible, 1285 01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:30.800 But I think it's more likely that those two names 1286 01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:35.039 come in as faces, and Kenny's your top heel, and 1287 01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.440 eventually you turn Cody heel, probably before those two. I 1288 01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:39.119 don't I shouldn't say probably. At this point, you can 1289 01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:41.880 do so much that you can have a top tier 1290 01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:44.800 opponents for all of them, So I don't think you 1291 01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:47.880 have to, but I agree with the with the consideration 1292 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:51.159 that it might be too much to not have Paige 1293 01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:52.760 win and then a Page wins and you take it 1294 01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:55.079 away from him two months later. You know he got 1295 01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:56.719 to the top and couldn't stay there. That might be 1296 01:07:56.760 --> 01:07:59.320 worse than not winning, and the crowds are so in 1297 01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:01.199 a hang Man, you can create your own star, and 1298 01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:04.480 Kenny confued without a title and still be a big star. 1299 01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:07.719 So maybe that is the tipping point. It's going to 1300 01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:10.159 be a really interesting decision from Tony Kahan. I'm sure 1301 01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:12.599 he's weighing factors beyond the ones that I just brought up. 1302 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.519 Greg your thoughts on that topic. 1303 01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:19.560 When you eventually run the Adam Page versus Kenny Omega manche, 1304 01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:21.560 I think you've got to have Paige win. I think 1305 01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:27.199 having Omega win is it's overthinking the situation. It's trying 1306 01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:30.199 to do too much, it's trying to outsmart yourself a 1307 01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:35.359 little bit. I think the only reservation I have about 1308 01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:36.880 that is what you brought up. When you bring in 1309 01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:41.439 guys like Punk and Brian, do you want to have 1310 01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:44.760 them go against Omega the champion before you get to 1311 01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:49.199 Adam Paige, and I think it would be very difficult 1312 01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:52.960 to pad things out further and have Adam Page sort 1313 01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:55.800 of hanging on the line waiting for Omega to face Punk, 1314 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:59.640 waiting for Omega to face Danielson and presumably beat them both, 1315 01:08:59.680 --> 01:09:01.399 which I think it would be difficult to do it 1316 01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:04.880 in and of itself, and then have them face Adam Page. 1317 01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:08.319 The alternative, as you said, would be Page beats Omega. 1318 01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:11.800 Omega eventually goes into a match with Punk or Danielson 1319 01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:13.840 without the title being on the line, which is fine. 1320 01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:16.640 I don't think there's anything really wrong with that, other 1321 01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:20.039 than there are very few wrestlers who if you're not 1322 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:22.640 gonna go with Page. There are very few wrestlers who 1323 01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:27.359 can realistically, in the fans' minds, beat Omega right now 1324 01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:30.000 for the title, just because he's built himself up as 1325 01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:34.680 this belt collector so much that I think Punkin and 1326 01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:38.640 Danielson are two guys who people view as believable in 1327 01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:42.079 beating Kenny Omega. So certainly a lot to consider, but 1328 01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:45.479 I think ultimately for me, it comes down to sometimes 1329 01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.239 the obvious is the right move, and to me, the 1330 01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:49.560 obvious is having Page beat Omega and pay off this 1331 01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:51.239 long storyline. 1332 01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:52.880 All right, Ken back to. 1333 01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:56.560 Oh that's about it. I'll keep the streak going. Go 1334 01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:59.960 Vip well worth it and I'll like you. 1335 01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:00.439 Yeah, you go. 1336 01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.399 I appreciate it. Ken, thanks so much. All right, I 1337 01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:05.279 don't need to do this, but three four seven two 1338 01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:08.239 one five eight five five eight is the number. Push 1339 01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:10.039 one on your keypad when you call. We'll be by 1340 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:14.279 Friday night after SmackDown. I am tentatively planning to attend 1341 01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:18.760 SmackDown on Friday. Zat Cadorn will be in my place hosting, 1342 01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:21.600 but I should be part of the show by being 1343 01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:25.159 the on Psyche correspondent. If you're also attending in Minneapolis, though, 1344 01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:27.600 give me an email or drop me an email and 1345 01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:29.560 let me know and I'll pass along as that because 1346 01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:31.399 we always like to get more than one perspective from 1347 01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:33.840 different parts of the building. And it's not a lock lock. 1348 01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:38.800 I'll be there. So uh, let's go next to Shane 1349 01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:41.720 in Detroit. Shane, thanks for calling, Thanks for holding so long. 1350 01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:43.319 What do you think it down to by tonight? 1351 01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:46.760 Hey waiting, Greg? 1352 01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:48.039 How are you tonight? 1353 01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:48.880 Good? Good? 1354 01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:51.680 Good good? 1355 01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:53.560 Yeah, dynamite It. 1356 01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:54.239 Was great tonight. 1357 01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:58.479 I mean, you know, you guys already hit on hanging 1358 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:02.520 in and Dark Lost quite a few times already, but 1359 01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:05.880 that was disappointing. I am curious to see what they're 1360 01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:10.680 going to do next with it. Obviously, I see punk news. 1361 01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:15.039 You know, as long as it's what it's looking like 1362 01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:19.800 it is, that's obviously great for the debut of Is 1363 01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:22.560 that the debut episode of Rampage in Chicago? 1364 01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:26.159 I think so? Is that right, Greg? 1365 01:11:26.199 --> 01:11:27.520 But yeah, I believe so. 1366 01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:30.479 Yeah, Yeah, So. 1367 01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:35.560 That's that's obviously a great land for them after he's 1368 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:39.479 been in the standoff for seven years with going back 1369 01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:40.119 to wrestling. 1370 01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:43.319 But otherwise, you. 1371 01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:45.840 Know, like I said, it was a great show. I'm 1372 01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:50.520 just wondering what is the status of Uh it was 1373 01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:54.319 cash Wheeler his arm. There was that spot where he 1374 01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:56.560 found the ring post, and it looked a little brutal. 1375 01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:01.439 Yeah, he was holding that arm and like pressing against it, 1376 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.439 so it looked like he got cut. Greg any any 1377 01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:07.880 perspective on what you saw on TV, there. 1378 01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:12.680 No just look very painful. It did look like a cut. 1379 01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:15.079 I'm not sure you know how serious it was or 1380 01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:18.760 anything like that. That might be a question for one 1381 01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:21.560 of our live callers if we get another one, is 1382 01:12:22.199 --> 01:12:25.359 you know, what was the reaction postmatch to Wheeler and 1383 01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:26.680 how was that injury dealt with? 1384 01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:30.760 Obviously in that match, it was kind of it was 1385 01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:33.000 a little flatter crowd wise than they wanted because the 1386 01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:35.479 crowd it seemed kind of beat from that marathon ten 1387 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:38.800 men tag. But also obviously they didn't go to the finish. 1388 01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:41.680 It's weird seeing a tag match that ends with one 1389 01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:45.079 guy doing a move against one guy. That's not a 1390 01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:47.159 good thing. By the way, that should happen more often. 1391 01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:50.960 It shouldn't seem like, Wow, something's really wrong here. Somebody 1392 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.000 must be hurt when one guy beats one guy in 1393 01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:55.359 a tag match. I mean, most of the time. It's 1394 01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:57.600 fine to have a double team move obviously, but probably 1395 01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:00.479 more exceptions here and there would be good. Uh So 1396 01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:02.840 it didn't go as planned. I didn't. I just picked 1397 01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:06.880 up on on Cash not being involved. And then when 1398 01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:09.359 he was pressing his arm, my take was he was 1399 01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:12.119 bleeding from you know, that there was some sort of 1400 01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:14.680 artery that got cut or something that was bleeding pretty 1401 01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:17.279 bad and he had you know, he looked concerned but stable, 1402 01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:21.880 and three medics tending to him. Didn't seem to me 1403 01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:24.159 like there was a type of injury that's like, you know, 1404 01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:25.640 he's going to need surgery as much as it was 1405 01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:28.079 a cut. But that's just me watching on TV without 1406 01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:32.880 any any knowledge at this point of anything from on site. 1407 01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:35.520 Yeah, I mean, it just it wasn't easy to tell 1408 01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:37.159 from you know, watching on TV. 1409 01:13:37.840 --> 01:13:41.800 But anyways, you know, the and then the Nick Gage 1410 01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:45.039 and Jericho match, you know, I know you guys have 1411 01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:47.239 also discussed whether or not maybe it was a little 1412 01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:50.199 bit more on the hardcore side, maybe a little bit 1413 01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:52.560 garbage wrestling style. 1414 01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:53.439 It wasn't. 1415 01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:54.239 It wasn't too bad. 1416 01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:55.640 I mean, we've seen stuff like this. 1417 01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:58.760 In aw several times where it's a little bit more 1418 01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:02.239 on the extreme side, I personally enjoy it, but that's 1419 01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:07.920 maybe just the attitude era influence that I enjoy seeing. 1420 01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:08.199 In the AW. 1421 01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:12.600 Greg just in general, what's your vibe on AW right 1422 01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:15.239 now interaction to kind of Shane's framing up it as 1423 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:16.720 what it means to him. 1424 01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:20.640 Yeah, I think coming back with the crowds has really 1425 01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:24.479 helped AW as I think we all thought it would. 1426 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:29.479 You know, I think AW crowds before the pandemic, we're 1427 01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:32.359 pretty hot for the product in terms of reactions and 1428 01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:36.439 how it came across on television, and that helps, you know, 1429 01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:39.479 it helps the viewers at home get the impression that 1430 01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.039 it's a hot product when the live crowd is reacting 1431 01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:46.119 strongly to it, as they've done for AW shows for 1432 01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:50.920 quite a while. So it's you never know if you're 1433 01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:54.880 AW or even WWE what you're booking is like during 1434 01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:58.560 the pandemic, AW got a little better impression of what 1435 01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:01.000 the fans thought because they were admitting more and more 1436 01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:03.600 fans into Daily's place in Jacksonville as things went on. 1437 01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:07.239 But you know, touring is a whole different thing as 1438 01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:10.199 opposed to playing in front of the same audience over 1439 01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:13.680 and over again. NXT can attest to that. So it's 1440 01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:17.279 a feather in aw's cap that they're still able to 1441 01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:21.479 get these strong reactions out of the pandemic. That means 1442 01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:25.239 what they did booking wise during the pandemic worked. And 1443 01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:27.199 so you know, fans want to watch a hot product. 1444 01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:30.319 They don't want to sit at home and watch a 1445 01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:33.079 product that they perceive to be not popular or flat. 1446 01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:36.600 And AAW is coming across so far as anything but. 1447 01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:39.920 All right, very good, Shane, any closing words for you 1448 01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:41.000 before I move on to another call. 1449 01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:44.960 That's all I have for tonight, But again, thank you 1450 01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:47.880 for taking my call and get out of your way 1451 01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:48.720 for other calls. 1452 01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:50.399 Sure, thanks, thanks, she I appreciate it. 1453 01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:54.760 Ay stuff. Do you ever watch a WWE and think 1454 01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:55.720 it used to be better? 1455 01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:57.800 I don't know, josh Sometimes I think it used to 1456 01:15:57.840 --> 01:15:58.760 be a whole lot worse. 1457 01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:02.000 I mean, whether it's rest many main events, old dudes 1458 01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:04.880 at the top, to many titles. 1459 01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:05.399 Or women's wrestling. 1460 01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:08.399 We're here to answer the big question, is it worse 1461 01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:12.000 or better? Now? Join me Joshua White. 1462 01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:13.319 And me Stephanie Cheese. 1463 01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:16.720 For Worse or Better part of the PW Torch Daily castline. 1464 01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:18.199 I'm dropping on Monday nights. 1465 01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:21.479 Search pw Torch in your podcast apps such as Apple 1466 01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:24.960 Podcasts or Spotify to subscribe for free or get a 1467 01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:28.840 commercial free version with the PW Torch VIP membership. Check 1468 01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:32.319 out pw torch dot com, slash go vip for details 1469 01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:33.560 and going vip. 1470 01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:34.319 Worse or better. 1471 01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:44.840 Finally, something for wrestling fans to do on Monday nights. 1472 01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:50.159 I just saw RNSI correspondent Luke call and then drop off. 1473 01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:56.000 So Luke, if you are still listening, feel free to 1474 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:58.880 call back in and just push one on your keypad 1475 01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:01.680 when you do call in, and we'll be sure to 1476 01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:03.600 get to you as soon as we wrap up with 1477 01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:07.439 Oh there he just did again, so maybe hit two twice. 1478 01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:09.880 So we're gonna go to our other on site correspondent, Luke, 1479 01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:13.640 and then we've got eight o four on deck and 1480 01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:18.800 Nick and Jay and Ed and Chris on Javier still 1481 01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:21.720 on hold. I think I covered everybody who haven't got 1482 01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:26.560 to yet, but let's begin here with Luke. Luke, thanks 1483 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:28.119 so much for calling in. 1484 01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:32.359 All right, yeah, great show, and I we touchded somebody 1485 01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:33.159 earliers in the building. 1486 01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:35.039 They said it was like ninety five percent full of 1487 01:17:35.079 --> 01:17:37.520 all the seats that they could have sold. Go go 1488 01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:38.479 ahead with your take on that. 1489 01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:40.640 No, yeah, it was definitely full. 1490 01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:44.560 It was so when I when I walked up, it was, 1491 01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:50.520 I was, it was so full because when I walked up. 1492 01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:51.560 It was like whoa. 1493 01:17:52.199 --> 01:17:56.720 People were waiting outside and it was it was people 1494 01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:59.479 were surprised that it was such a big weighty. 1495 01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:02.520 I I'm in particular interest. Did he get your take 1496 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:06.479 on what happened with Nick Gage and Chris Jericho in 1497 01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:09.479 terms of how much the crowd reacted to Nick from 1498 01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:11.159 your perspective, did they know who he was or they 1499 01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:12.439 excited to see him, or was he more of a 1500 01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:15.560 curiosity or people just didn't know what didn't care? And 1501 01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:18.680 then what was your sense of how the crowd reacted 1502 01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:20.319 to the match. Did they get more into it or 1503 01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:23.039 were they turned off by that level of violence? Your 1504 01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:24.760 take on that, Oh. 1505 01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:25.359 Yeah, it was. 1506 01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:30.560 It was a big match for sure. People love Nick Gauge. 1507 01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:31.119 It was. 1508 01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:33.199 I mean, it was. 1509 01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:36.479 It was definitely a big match for sure. 1510 01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:38.560 Like people were. 1511 01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:42.800 Into it and I just you know, I sat by 1512 01:18:43.239 --> 01:18:49.279 someone and and he was like, hey, Nick Gage is here. 1513 01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:52.680 I mean he said, yeah, it's a big match. 1514 01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:57.000 So it was it was, it was, it was definitely. 1515 01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:59.079 Right, Great, do you want to jump into the question. 1516 01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:05.319 Yeah, we talked earlier about the FTR match and cash 1517 01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:09.239 Wheeler getting hurt on the outside, it seemed like they 1518 01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:12.479 went to the finish pretty quickly when you were watching 1519 01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:15.800 that match. Could you tell what went wrong in that match, 1520 01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:21.039 how injured Cash Wheeler was, or what the aftermath was 1521 01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:24.239 in terms of the medics attending to him after the match. 1522 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:28.000 Well, whatever they did, they definitely did it good, because 1523 01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:31.479 I couldn't tell. Really, it was kind of like whatever 1524 01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:34.000 they did, it was kind of quick, so it seemed 1525 01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:36.159 kind of weird, so I wasn't sure. 1526 01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:40.600 Yeah, it was hard to tell watching TV exactly what 1527 01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:44.000 the what the injury was or or how serious it was. 1528 01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:46.079 I guess, right, right, right. 1529 01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:48.399 Look, did you pick up from the announcement about the 1530 01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:52.560 United Center show and Darby Allen that they were hinting 1531 01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:56.119 at Sampunk being at that Chicago show next month and 1532 01:19:56.119 --> 01:19:58.479 and you know, were there CM punk chance, you know, 1533 01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:00.359 like overtly or was there a pop in the crowd? 1534 01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:02.520 It was hard to tell on television how much people 1535 01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:05.039 picked up on that being a pretty overt hint. 1536 01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:10.840 Oh, yeah, that's a yeah, there was definitely I I 1537 01:20:10.920 --> 01:20:16.359 honestly were a seem puncture and it was definitely a 1538 01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:17.439 thing for sure. 1539 01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:19.159 Was there a chance for him at any point? 1540 01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:22.319 There were no, There were no chants, There weren't any 1541 01:20:22.439 --> 01:20:23.079 chances I. 1542 01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:24.159 Could pick up on. 1543 01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:25.680 Yeah, but. 1544 01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:31.479 The biggest thing was was Jericho, but biggest pop. 1545 01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:34.279 Yeah, biggest pot for Jericho for sure, But. 1546 01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:38.199 Nothing that nothing that I could of like, you know, 1547 01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:42.840 pick you know, I mean like there's no nothing in 1548 01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:48.319 particular that I could say that was first seem poker Brian. 1549 01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:51.680 Yeah, it's kind of just like it was like a 1550 01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:55.800 normal you know. I mean I've never been to a Dynamite. 1551 01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:58.479 But overall have you been to Delao B shows before? 1552 01:20:58.640 --> 01:20:58.800 Oh? 1553 01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:01.680 Yeah, yeah, I've been plenty of of w shows I've 1554 01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:07.159 been to, like were a Rumble and SummerSlam and stuff 1555 01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:07.560 like that. 1556 01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:10.600 But yeah, what was different about Dynamite? Like what how 1557 01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:13.199 would you describe to somebody who hasn't been to a 1558 01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:15.479 Dynamite but been to a lot of w W shows 1559 01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:17.279 like you? What what felt different? 1560 01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:17.680 Uh? 1561 01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:20.600 Just completely different vibe, different fans or did it feel 1562 01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:23.159 like w W ten years ago? What what stood out 1563 01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:23.399 to you? 1564 01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:23.600 Oh? 1565 01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:27.640 Yeah, it was it was awesome because uh, like if 1566 01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:30.000 Rawl was coming here, I would not have come here, 1567 01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:33.359 like for real, Like it's just how you know, I mean, 1568 01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:40.520 like the vibe of Dynamite was so good and you know, 1569 01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:40.680 you know. 1570 01:21:40.840 --> 01:21:47.640 I yeah, I rad and kind of lately, but. 1571 01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:50.720 You don't say tonight it was good. 1572 01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:55.399 Yeah, there was a Uh, it was hard to tell 1573 01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:57.399 how big of a pop Lance Archer got coming out. 1574 01:21:57.439 --> 01:21:59.680 We talked to Ronsie correspondent earlier in the show, but 1575 01:21:59.880 --> 01:22:01.560 just about everybody else. But I then ask about him, 1576 01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:03.560 what where would you rank him? Was it like half 1577 01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:06.479 the response that say Cody and Jericho and Hangman got 1578 01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:08.720 or was it in the in the mix of the 1579 01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:09.239 top tier? 1580 01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:13.960 Okay, yeah, Lance Archer definitely got a good pop. 1581 01:22:14.199 --> 01:22:14.560 He was. 1582 01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:19.479 It was Yeah, Lance Archer definitely got a good pop. 1583 01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:22.399 He was. He was definitely part of the top tier. 1584 01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:25.880 Yeah, look, anything else you want to share with us. 1585 01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:27.640 We're running along and we got more callers and I 1586 01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:29.560 don't want to keep it too long either, but anything 1587 01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:31.479 else in particular from your experience tonight you want to. 1588 01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:36.680 Share, Oh yeah, it was just aw is definitely a 1589 01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:40.199 great show, and there's like there's a lot of people 1590 01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:44.359 like it's it's it's a different, vibrant WW like. 1591 01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:45.960 I've been to w W shows. 1592 01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:50.279 I've been to like throw Rumble pay per views, but 1593 01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:53.399 it was it was a fun vide and I definitely 1594 01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:57.560 was like and uh when I first got to got 1595 01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:02.039 to the building, it was like packed, like I had 1596 01:23:02.079 --> 01:23:09.720 just stay outside nose like, yeah, you're getting in the pavilion. 1597 01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:15.279 People are excited about going. Yeah, I'd say about it. 1598 01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:20.920 Cool, awesome, Luke, thank you for calling us and sharing 1599 01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:22.199 your perspective on Attenning tonight. 1600 01:23:22.479 --> 01:23:23.920 Thanks appreciate you. 1601 01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:28.239 Yep, you bet. If you're listening to us on the 1602 01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:30.800 Apple podcast app, on Spotify or any other app that 1603 01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:32.840 allows you to rate our podcast, please take a moment 1604 01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:34.960 to give us a five star rating. It really helps 1605 01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:37.560 us in the algorithm and helps them know that you 1606 01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:40.159 recommend us to others. Just look for a place to 1607 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:42.479 rate the show on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts, or wherever 1608 01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:44.720 you're listening to our shows, and please click that five 1609 01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:47.039 star rating. And of course, thank you so much for listening. 1610 01:23:53.199 --> 01:23:57.079 All Right, we will keep rolling through regular calls here 1611 01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:03.039 and go next to uh who was up next here 1612 01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:07.880 in the queue. We'll go to ed in High Desert, California. Edward. 1613 01:24:07.880 --> 01:24:09.720 Thanks for calling what'd you good DNAI tonight? 1614 01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:13.600 I was going away and Greg, Oh, the show obviously 1615 01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:16.840 was good in that the the main event. Yeah, it didn't. 1616 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:19.039 It missed its mark. It wasn't the goryness or whatever. 1617 01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:20.520 It was just it was just bad. 1618 01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:23.800 And I guess what Jericho was going for his finish, 1619 01:24:24.079 --> 01:24:25.840 but it was really just a back bump and he 1620 01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:29.520 pinned and that's how Gauge gets pinned. That seemed kind 1621 01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:32.880 of weird. And unless I missed it through the whole thing, 1622 01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:36.880 why didn MJF just jump in help beat up Jericho 1623 01:24:37.039 --> 01:24:39.119 and then Gauge could a pen him right? And wouldn't 1624 01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:41.840 I know, it kind of ends everything and what not, 1625 01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:43.359 But isn't wouldn't that be the point? 1626 01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:46.560 Yeah, I guess you could have no rules in the match. 1627 01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:48.319 I guess you could argue on Jeff just felt like 1628 01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:51.079 one nick age can do it himself, and he just 1629 01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:53.800 was more confident too. I think the idea would be 1630 01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:56.479 MJF doesn't want to be anywhere near the ring with 1631 01:24:56.520 --> 01:25:00.239 all that all that broken sharp glass and you know 1632 01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:03.520 the blood, and it's just like you could imagine him thinking, hey, 1633 01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:05.560 I dressed, I dressed. I didn't dress for the occasion. 1634 01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:07.000 I didn't pressed for the occasion, and I brought a 1635 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:09.039 guy who should be able to do it himself. I mean, 1636 01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:10.880 you know, you can argue, and I mean we're kind of, 1637 01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:13.359 you know, talking sort of about the instant reaction to 1638 01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:15.560 the show, but you can kind of step back and 1639 01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:17.199 go was MGF upset enough about it? 1640 01:25:17.239 --> 01:25:17.399 You know? 1641 01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:19.279 He was like, you know, his check's not gonna clear 1642 01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:22.159 if he doesn't kick out, And he ultimately didn't kicked 1643 01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:26.239 out at three and a half. He pulled the deal 1644 01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:27.960 where you get pinned, but you kick out right after 1645 01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:31.399 the three count, which is not a big deal. I 1646 01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:33.039 don't think Tony con should be upset about it, but 1647 01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:35.920 he wasn't like flat out knocked out. He can kind of, 1648 01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:38.960 you know, say I visited someone else's territory and took 1649 01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:40.359 on their top star and took him to the limit 1650 01:25:40.439 --> 01:25:42.920 and and the rest count was fast. If he wants 1651 01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:46.920 to even address it, Yeah, Greg, your your thoughts on 1652 01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:48.920 that aspect of it though. Should MGF have been more 1653 01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:52.399 upset by the loss as just immediately pivoting to the 1654 01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:54.760 next week and not really selling the loss as much? 1655 01:25:55.399 --> 01:25:55.520 Uh? 1656 01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:57.439 Yeah, I was kind of wondering if they were running 1657 01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:00.319 along in the match too, and you know, going to 1658 01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:03.800 the finish sort of awkwardly knowing that they had to 1659 01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:06.279 get MJF out there to announce next week's stipulation and 1660 01:26:06.319 --> 01:26:11.840 everything like that. I think I'm with you Wade in 1661 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:14.520 terms of I don't think MJF would want to sully 1662 01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:17.720 his hands by getting involved in a match like that, 1663 01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:19.960 even if it meant that he would never have to 1664 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:23.439 face Acris Jericho again, just because And also the fact is, 1665 01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:27.800 you know, he's got three more labors to throw at Jericho, 1666 01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:30.000 so even if this one doesn't work out, you know, 1667 01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:31.880 he could be more confident in some of the other 1668 01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:32.880 ones he has lined up. 1669 01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:36.239 All right, Yeah, anything else. 1670 01:26:36.079 --> 01:26:40.680 Share the Also, I thought this was or just funny 1671 01:26:41.319 --> 01:26:43.840 gauge ways the same same weight. 1672 01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:47.119 As the Autumn Coal, but with. 1673 01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:51.279 Who is it? Hangman Page? I understand he is the 1674 01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:55.560 guy Todd Omega, but he really the guy to is 1675 01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:57.399 he gonna? I mean, is he really somebody's going to 1676 01:26:57.439 --> 01:27:01.680 carry the company as the champion? It's like, on one end, 1677 01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:04.920 is he is he like Bobby Rude? Where the and 1678 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:06.600 obviously he's better than that, don't get me wrong, But 1679 01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:08.960 the whole the fans are with them with the glorious thing, 1680 01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:12.239 and then it just kind of goes nowhere or you know, 1681 01:27:12.399 --> 01:27:14.399 is he beyond that? Because I don't know. I just 1682 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.760 I just feel and I'll go, actually, I'll just run 1683 01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:19.960 this real quick for you can move on to be Omega. 1684 01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:24.039 He misses the mark with me, and his look now 1685 01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:27.960 especially just comes off as just he doesn't come off 1686 01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:30.520 as a star. It's just that pleasy guy. And I 1687 01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:32.560 know he's a heel and all that, but it just 1688 01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:35.000 looks like a sleazy guy who's not the star in 1689 01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:37.840 the show. He's the you know whatever, you know, your manager, 1690 01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:40.880 and a TV show that is you know, not even 1691 01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:43.760 a supporting actor. He's like a supporting supporting supporting actor. 1692 01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:46.600 And I don't know, he just misses the mark. So 1693 01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:50.159 his title reign has not been I don't I. 1694 01:27:50.119 --> 01:27:51.479 Don't want to like, I don't know. 1695 01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:55.159 I don't know that that him getting beat is. 1696 01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:57.399 That important. 1697 01:27:57.720 --> 01:27:58.079 I don't know. 1698 01:27:58.159 --> 01:28:00.239 That's not the right wording for it. And then the 1699 01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:03.159 other one is Moxley, like he's better in aw, no 1700 01:28:03.239 --> 01:28:06.840 doubt about it, and his promo today was good. I 1701 01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:11.319 always feel like he never quite gets that next step, 1702 01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:14.920 and that's where like the silliness of what I guess 1703 01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:19.159 happened in WWE with him and how Vince was and 1704 01:28:19.199 --> 01:28:23.119 then now he's left to his own devices, Like somewhere 1705 01:28:23.119 --> 01:28:24.800 in there, there has to be somebody to kind of 1706 01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:28.600 manage him and give him better boundaries, because he should 1707 01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:32.159 easily be you know, I mean, he should be beyond wrestling. 1708 01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:34.159 I think is a name. And now maybe he doesn't 1709 01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:37.479 want to because I understand he you know, wrestling is 1710 01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:39.720 his thing from you know, all the way around, and 1711 01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:41.880 he's not looking to be like superstar outside of it. 1712 01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:45.880 But I would think he can be kind of transformational 1713 01:28:46.319 --> 01:28:48.239 and it I don't know, I never think he gets 1714 01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:51.399 there with all the death matches and hardcore matches and 1715 01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:54.239 always kind of I think he kind of brings himself 1716 01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:55.319 down to a certain level. 1717 01:28:56.199 --> 01:28:57.159 Yeah, lots of commisary. 1718 01:28:57.319 --> 01:28:57.960 That was everything. 1719 01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:02.000 Yeah, thanks so so. Working our way backwards a little 1720 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:04.560 bit starting with Moxley. I mean I have some of 1721 01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:06.760 the same thoughts that Ed does in terms of, you know, 1722 01:29:06.840 --> 01:29:09.239 mox went because he leans so hard into the hardcore 1723 01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:14.359 stuff and he just wants to be himself and that 1724 01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:18.359 he isn't this transformational centerpiece act. He had a run 1725 01:29:19.039 --> 01:29:21.960 as the champion, and there was a novelty factor of 1726 01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:26.479 oh my god, a shield members signed with WWE. But 1727 01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:32.199 I think he AW has an ensemble top tier, and 1728 01:29:32.399 --> 01:29:34.199 you know, when you compare it to Cody, I mean, 1729 01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:35.680 you can make the case because they have so many 1730 01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:37.640 top tier guys who they don't just incessantly push as 1731 01:29:37.640 --> 01:29:40.880 a top guy that you know. I mean, Jericho's probably 1732 01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:45.119 Greg been the most pushed top tier act consistently all along, 1733 01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:51.640 but not by a wide margin over Kenny or Moxley 1734 01:29:51.880 --> 01:29:54.640 or Cody, who's sort of in the Cody verse, you know, 1735 01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:56.800 off to the side but still framed as a big star. 1736 01:29:57.600 --> 01:29:59.239 A lot of people have sort of had their moment, 1737 01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:01.279 but then there's not even that big of a drop 1738 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:05.520 off when you get to the tag division with a 1739 01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:08.399 variety of teams there named most most prominently the Bucks, 1740 01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:11.319 but others too, and then Lance Archer's had moments on top, 1741 01:30:11.399 --> 01:30:13.680 and and now Mirro's getting prominent, and of course Darby 1742 01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:17.000 and and and Sammy and Jungle Boy have all had 1743 01:30:17.039 --> 01:30:20.239 their moments, and Orange Cassidy, like I just I don't 1744 01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:21.880 know if AW is gonna be a place where even 1745 01:30:21.960 --> 01:30:24.880 a Moxley because of the richness of the talent and 1746 01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:27.520 the diversity of who gets pushed, is going to have 1747 01:30:27.560 --> 01:30:33.680 that that dominant, top level centerpiece, you know, three year 1748 01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:37.560 period that maybe he he or others have had in 1749 01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:40.119 WWE in a similar positions him. So that's kind of 1750 01:30:40.159 --> 01:30:42.239 my take on that. Your your your thoughts, Greg on that, 1751 01:30:42.279 --> 01:30:43.920 and then if you want, you can take up the 1752 01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:44.720 other things you brought up to. 1753 01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:48.720 Yeah, I mentioned this before, you know, when I talked 1754 01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:52.840 about the AW roster at the top and how they've 1755 01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:56.319 been so good at maneuvering guys in and out of 1756 01:30:56.359 --> 01:31:00.680 that main event spot, and Moxley it certainly one of them. 1757 01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:03.600 If the biggest complaint you can levy against John Moxley 1758 01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:06.720 is well he's not going to become a generational breakthrough star, 1759 01:31:06.880 --> 01:31:09.479 well okay, that still leaves a lot of room for 1760 01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:12.359 him to be excellent, very good a main eventor for 1761 01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:15.239 ten years in AW and that's nothing to sneeze at. So, 1762 01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:20.960 you know, I think Moxley has has found his voice 1763 01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:24.079 in AW and I know you've mentioned that a number 1764 01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:26.640 of times wide and this is who John Moxley is, 1765 01:31:27.279 --> 01:31:30.359 and some of that may be what prevents him from 1766 01:31:30.359 --> 01:31:35.920 crossing over and I don't think he minds. So, you know, 1767 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:38.439 to me, I think Moxley is having the kind of 1768 01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:40.960 success a lot of people wish he had in WWEE 1769 01:31:41.039 --> 01:31:43.279 without you know, the hot Dog stand and all the 1770 01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:47.560 goofiness that he went through, especially later on in his 1771 01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:51.199 run after the Shield and after feuding with the folks 1772 01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:54.840 in the Shield, you know the other side, you know, 1773 01:31:55.039 --> 01:32:01.560 Omega and Page. I think fans, I think Page is 1774 01:32:01.640 --> 01:32:04.239 much more well rounded than Bobby Rude in terms of 1775 01:32:04.279 --> 01:32:07.800 why fans root for him. Page has a three dimensional story. 1776 01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:11.840 He has a three dimensional character, whereas Bobby Rude had 1777 01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:15.359 the theme music and that was it and there wasn't 1778 01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:18.319 much to him beyond that in terms of a character, 1779 01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:23.640 Whereas I think, yes, fans you know, chant for Page 1780 01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:26.960 and things like that, but it goes beyond that. You know, 1781 01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:30.159 they're supportive of him beyond that. So I think that 1782 01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:32.479 the Page, as I said before, is the right guy 1783 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:34.079 to dethrone Omega. 1784 01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:37.600 Yeah, I think from a charisma and Bondie with fans standpoint, 1785 01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:40.560 you know, Pages is you know, two three levels higher 1786 01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:43.119 than Rude. But I get bringing that up. I mean, 1787 01:32:43.159 --> 01:32:47.439 I didn't you know gfat at the comparison I'll also 1788 01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:49.800 say I think Rude had a chance. I don't know, 1789 01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:53.079 was it two thousand and eight or I'm trying to 1790 01:32:53.079 --> 01:32:55.680 think of, like when there was that moment in time 1791 01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:58.000 that he could have been that I wrote a cover 1792 01:32:58.039 --> 01:32:59.399 story on it when Rud is going into a pay 1793 01:32:59.399 --> 01:33:01.439 per view and I thought he should have won the 1794 01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:04.640 TENA title and been pushed as kind of the everyman. 1795 01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:06.680 And I mean, if if you read the if I 1796 01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:08.439 went back and round the cover story, my recollection of 1797 01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:11.079 it is that it described a character that's not all 1798 01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:13.520 that different than Hangman Page, not not the cowboy shit stuff, 1799 01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:17.119 but a guy that fans related to and he represented them, 1800 01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:19.479 and that the time was right, in that moment in time, 1801 01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:22.760 based on the economy and politics and in the world 1802 01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:24.960 for teenage just kind of lean into him and that 1803 01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:27.119 might have been his best chance to take off. I 1804 01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:31.199 think Page is a better version of that. And I 1805 01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:33.199 don't know if i'd say a better wrestler, because Rude 1806 01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:37.359 was so good, but in Page's body of work, it 1807 01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:39.479 just you know, he hasn't had those big moments, and 1808 01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:41.399 Rud had some really good opponents to work with. So 1809 01:33:41.840 --> 01:33:46.119 we'll see my hunch's Page will have a substantially better 1810 01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:49.520 career in terms of the average crowd size and the 1811 01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:51.840 money he makes, and and and the size of the 1812 01:33:51.880 --> 01:33:55.399 audience that that watches him on TV. And I think 1813 01:33:55.439 --> 01:34:02.039 he has by a significant margin, a more marketable range 1814 01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:05.720 to his personality. But I but you know, Rude was 1815 01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:07.600 a homegrown guy, you know, in TNA and in the 1816 01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:10.439 more affable every man at one point when he wasn't 1817 01:34:10.439 --> 01:34:12.319 pay you know, leaning on the It pays to be rude, 1818 01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:15.000 cliche and and doing good work, but you know, sometimes 1819 01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:16.479 you just kind of got in a in a rut 1820 01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:20.680 as a character. So anyway, that's my take on that. 1821 01:34:20.760 --> 01:34:24.600 As far as Kenny, you know, looking like a sleazy 1822 01:34:24.640 --> 01:34:27.239 slob or something like that, I mean, yeah, I mean, 1823 01:34:27.800 --> 01:34:31.600 you know, he's he's given off some weird vibes. I 1824 01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:34.640 think it's working now. I like when it's you know, 1825 01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:36.279 when it seems like he's putting some time and money 1826 01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:38.880 into his wardrobe and some time in thought, you know, 1827 01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:40.800 some time in thought into his promos and not just 1828 01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:42.960 kind of thinking I'm the greatest and I do the 1829 01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:44.960 v trigger and people love me, and I'm just going 1830 01:34:45.039 --> 01:34:46.520 to go do the best of you know, the best 1831 01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:50.600 of hits, and you know, I think true top stars 1832 01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:52.199 come across like they put a ton of thought into 1833 01:34:52.199 --> 01:34:54.000 what they do. I don't always feel that way about Nny. 1834 01:34:54.000 --> 01:34:56.239 It doesn't mean it's he doesn't, but it doesn't necessarily 1835 01:34:56.279 --> 01:34:59.159 always show up in what he does. But I think 1836 01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:01.279 there's been more of it lately, and you know, the 1837 01:35:01.279 --> 01:35:03.039 blend of what he and Kellus have done an impact 1838 01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:06.520 and the high points in aw and I think a 1839 01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:08.600 higher energy level since crowds have come back make me 1840 01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:10.680 higher on him than I have been in a while. 1841 01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:13.119 But I don't disregard that some of the stuff that 1842 01:35:13.159 --> 01:35:17.119 I was critical of prior that that Ed just brought up, 1843 01:35:17.159 --> 01:35:21.319 Greg is looming and a possibility there, Yeah. 1844 01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:22.760 For sure. I mean, Omega is a guy who can 1845 01:35:22.760 --> 01:35:25.399 go two or three weeks and give you the impression 1846 01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:28.199 that he's really honed in on what this character can be, 1847 01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:29.920 and then one week he just kind of falls off 1848 01:35:29.920 --> 01:35:32.720 the rails. So I think it's that consistency with him. 1849 01:35:33.159 --> 01:35:35.520 Yep, I think that's what we'll put all right. I 1850 01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:36.560 appreciate the call Ed. 1851 01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:41.560 Hey everyone, Greg parks here. You've probably heard me hosting 1852 01:35:41.560 --> 01:35:43.800 Wrestling Night in America after pay per views and also 1853 01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:46.600 co hosting the Tuesday Flagship with Wade Keller. I also 1854 01:35:46.600 --> 01:35:49.479 host a VP exclusive podcast every week called Greg Parks 1855 01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:52.119 Out Loud. 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Next go to state your name 1876 01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:55.079 and where you're calling from. 1877 01:36:56.119 --> 01:36:59.520 Hi, this is Ashley from Virginia. I'm actually on my 1878 01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:00.720 way back the show today. 1879 01:37:00.960 --> 01:37:03.439 Oh cool, Yeah, well, uh, what do you think of Dynamite? 1880 01:37:03.520 --> 01:37:04.640 What was it like at the building tonight? 1881 01:37:05.319 --> 01:37:05.760 Yeah? 1882 01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:07.800 It was, of course an awesome show. 1883 01:37:07.840 --> 01:37:10.520 It's it's the vibe and the energy that you've given 1884 01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:12.960 me when you get to that show is just completely 1885 01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:15.720 different than WW. Just when you when you were talking 1886 01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:17.560 about it earlier, just kind of really made me think 1887 01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:17.960 about it. 1888 01:37:17.960 --> 01:37:20.600 It's just kind of night and day, especially lately. 1889 01:37:21.079 --> 01:37:23.399 But the main reason I kind of wanted to call 1890 01:37:23.479 --> 01:37:25.439 in a was to kind of get your guys opinion 1891 01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:28.840 on the whole Cody Roads and Blacky. 1892 01:37:28.680 --> 01:37:33.279 Blacks going on. And I wasn't sure if you guys picked. 1893 01:37:33.119 --> 01:37:35.800 Up on, yeah, on the reaction that Cody got, because 1894 01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:38.920 that was really shocked. I'm a big Cody Roads fani 1895 01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:42.960 and also of course manipied Black but he when they 1896 01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:46.000 first showed him backstage, he got food and at first 1897 01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:47.359 I thought maybe it was just because like he was 1898 01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:48.000 backstage and. 1899 01:37:48.039 --> 01:37:50.119 Not like live in front of us or something like that. 1900 01:37:50.239 --> 01:37:53.279 But once they started brawling, like onto the stage, like 1901 01:37:53.359 --> 01:37:57.039 Cody continue to get food and then Malachi got like masked, 1902 01:37:57.079 --> 01:38:00.399 well pretty big cheers, So, especially when they went to Bridge, 1903 01:38:00.439 --> 01:38:01.640 I was just really surprised by that. 1904 01:38:02.079 --> 01:38:03.800 But then, what do you say that man's going forward. 1905 01:38:04.479 --> 01:38:06.239 I'm super glad he brought that up, because one it's 1906 01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:08.119 it's a it's a major topic on a show full 1907 01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:11.399 of a lot of major topics. And I was wondering 1908 01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:14.039 watching on television if my ears were deceiving me or not, 1909 01:38:14.119 --> 01:38:17.720 and you're confirming they didn't. I was thinking. Even Malachi 1910 01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:19.600 when he leaned down to talk to Cody, was saying 1911 01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:22.600 something like listen to those people, you know, kind of 1912 01:38:22.640 --> 01:38:24.199 rubbing it in a little bit, but not sure if 1913 01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:25.880 he should lean in hard on it because it wasn't, 1914 01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:28.159 you know, necessarily what aw was looking for. There's a 1915 01:38:28.199 --> 01:38:31.239 possibility that that Charlotte just hates Jerry Lynn, and you 1916 01:38:31.239 --> 01:38:33.119 know that when he appeared on screen, they just bowed 1917 01:38:33.119 --> 01:38:36.039 the hell out of Jerry. No, I'm joking, of course 1918 01:38:36.079 --> 01:38:39.279 that's not the case. Greg. Did that come across to 1919 01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:43.039 you and what is your take on that? Because I think, 1920 01:38:43.159 --> 01:38:46.199 you know, reality show Cody, Cody versus Cody, q T 1921 01:38:46.399 --> 01:38:50.079 Marshall pushing my buddy's Cody wearing the white suit. And 1922 01:38:50.720 --> 01:38:52.840 I mean, there's something about Cody that's going to make 1923 01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:56.159 a really good heel for the types of fans that 1924 01:38:56.199 --> 01:39:01.279 are going completely crazy in bonkers for Hangman. And I'm 1925 01:39:01.319 --> 01:39:04.439 not sure that somebody who loves Hangman that there's gonna 1926 01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:08.000 be one hundred percent or a high percent crossover who 1927 01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:11.880 also love everything about Cody. You know, mister Hollywood, mister 1928 01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:16.560 reality show, mister judge on a game show. Hey, I'm 1929 01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:18.640 a father, even though a lot of people become fathers. 1930 01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:20.920 I'm gonna have that be part of my ring announcements 1931 01:39:21.439 --> 01:39:24.399 and the politics of Brandy. I mean, there's a lot 1932 01:39:24.439 --> 01:39:27.680 of things that if people stop seeing Cody as the 1933 01:39:27.720 --> 01:39:30.399 founder and the savior and the guy who was under 1934 01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:32.800 pushed and disrespected by vincic Mann, but see him through 1935 01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:37.640 a different lens of the AEW history, people might start 1936 01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:39.600 boone him. Then he had out at Malchi Black to 1937 01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:42.000 the mix who fans are excited to see in respect 1938 01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:46.039 especially the aw type audience. Yeah, I'm not shocked. And 1939 01:39:46.079 --> 01:39:49.199 Ashley confirmed something that seemed to come across on TV, 1940 01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:51.399 but it was short enough and the crowd is sort 1941 01:39:51.439 --> 01:39:53.760 of just exploding for seeing them all through the stage 1942 01:39:54.199 --> 01:39:56.479 that it didn't sink in totally until she brought it 1943 01:39:56.560 --> 01:39:56.920 up again. 1944 01:39:58.279 --> 01:40:01.199 If you're a defender of Cody, you can write this 1945 01:40:01.359 --> 01:40:05.600 off and say, well, Malachi Black's a new toy for 1946 01:40:05.640 --> 01:40:09.039 the aw fans, so they're gonna cheer him. There's a 1947 01:40:09.079 --> 01:40:11.840 percentage of the fan base who want to get behind 1948 01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:15.399 him because they felt he was held back in WWE, 1949 01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:19.800 or you know, whatever the case may be. But you know, Charlotte, 1950 01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:23.560 his family with his father has some history there in Charlotte, 1951 01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:26.560 and I don't know how much of the fans, how 1952 01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:30.079 many of the fans that were there tonight, go back 1953 01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:33.239 to that era of Jim Crockett promotions in Charlotte and 1954 01:40:33.319 --> 01:40:37.279 Dusty Rhodes, But you know, usually that that buys you 1955 01:40:37.319 --> 01:40:40.279 a futures if nothing else, just that the family history 1956 01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:43.000 in that region. So the fact that Cody's getting booed 1957 01:40:43.039 --> 01:40:46.279 here when he's you know, very obviously doing the good 1958 01:40:46.279 --> 01:40:48.680 guy in white versus the bad guy in black. The 1959 01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:51.520 sort of Sean Michael's undertaker stuff we saw in one 1960 01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:54.680 of their WrestleMania matches and he's getting booed here. That's 1961 01:40:54.680 --> 01:40:57.119 the sort of thing that can kind of snowball. So 1962 01:40:57.560 --> 01:40:59.439 I'm interested to see what the reactions are going to 1963 01:40:59.479 --> 01:41:02.239 be in the coming weeks. You know, Cody's personality and 1964 01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:07.000 the way he presents himself, either you know, obliviously or 1965 01:41:07.359 --> 01:41:10.119 he's in on the joke, can be heavy handed at times, 1966 01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:12.840 and we may just be seeing the beginning of that backlash. 1967 01:41:13.079 --> 01:41:16.119 Yeah, Cody's a quirky guy, and he wears his ego 1968 01:41:16.520 --> 01:41:19.720 up front and center as a feature, not a flaw 1969 01:41:20.359 --> 01:41:23.640 as he intends it if he's self aware, and it 1970 01:41:23.680 --> 01:41:26.279 could be unintentional too and end up working against him. 1971 01:41:26.279 --> 01:41:28.199 And there's a lot to like about Cody, but there's 1972 01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:32.800 aspects that are, like I said, ripe to be booed. Actually, 1973 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:34.199 if you want to follow up on that or bring 1974 01:41:34.279 --> 01:41:36.439 up some other things from being in Attendants tonight, you're 1975 01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:37.239 welcome to to that too. 1976 01:41:38.560 --> 01:41:39.640 Yeah, yeah, just really quick. 1977 01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:42.079 It just I think it's postomy too, just because with 1978 01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:46.279 the I guess impending editions of Sam Funk and Brian Daniels, 1979 01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:47.680 and assuming. 1980 01:41:47.359 --> 01:41:49.880 They both obviously come in as baby bases, I think 1981 01:41:49.920 --> 01:41:53.279 aw would be pretty heavy on baby bases and maybe 1982 01:41:53.600 --> 01:41:56.760 Cody's turning heel or maybe this reaction tonight could be 1983 01:41:56.920 --> 01:41:59.239 the start of maybe that slow. 1984 01:41:59.079 --> 01:42:02.800 Turn, just because maybe they'll they'll deem more more opponents 1985 01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:03.960 for these guys are going forward. 1986 01:42:04.039 --> 01:42:05.840 If I try that, they go So I was. 1987 01:42:05.800 --> 01:42:08.520 Just curious about that and what you guys think about 1988 01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:10.000 for bigger going forward. 1989 01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:12.640 I know I believe that the submit that she had 1990 01:42:12.680 --> 01:42:14.079 and I couldn't really catch. 1991 01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:17.920 All that believe she just referenced Nyla Rose. But do 1992 01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:20.359 you think she's gonna move on back to thunder Rosa 1993 01:42:20.399 --> 01:42:22.439 now or what direction do you think she'll be going 1994 01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:23.479 in once she heals up? 1995 01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:23.880 Of course? 1996 01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:28.479 Yeah, the announcer's overtly, you know, said thunder Rosa, you 1997 01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:29.960 know it's going to be in the toitle picture soon 1998 01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:32.560 and talked about her signing a multi year deal, so 1999 01:42:33.039 --> 01:42:36.159 you know they're they're definitely laying a groundwork for that, 2000 01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:39.319 both with a win tonight but also on the commentary 2001 01:42:39.359 --> 01:42:42.079 and and worth her signing a deal. Uh, but you 2002 01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:44.399 know Britt Breaker right now cutting a promo and Nyla Rose, 2003 01:42:44.680 --> 01:42:50.600 I mean, Britt is a is the top female star 2004 01:42:51.039 --> 01:42:53.199 and whether she's healthy or not. She's a top female 2005 01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:57.359 star in that company, and I think they don't need 2006 01:42:57.399 --> 01:42:59.640 to rush anything with her. I don't think there's an 2007 01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:02.159 exprat Data. I don't think there's someone around the corner 2008 01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:04.119 that aw is gonna sign that's gonna say, oh, they 2009 01:43:04.159 --> 01:43:06.000 should have struggled Aaron was hot with Britt. I think 2010 01:43:06.039 --> 01:43:08.800 they can do a slow burn with her staying true 2011 01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:13.600 to herself but being a contextual baby face some of 2012 01:43:13.640 --> 01:43:16.119 the time and maybe a contextual heel other times where 2013 01:43:16.680 --> 01:43:18.960 when the fans are cheering them, because they just don't 2014 01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:22.880 have a deep enough roster to necessarily have her go hard, 2015 01:43:23.079 --> 01:43:25.479 just straight up face, straight up heel and only fight. 2016 01:43:25.560 --> 01:43:28.720 Then the opposite role, they might want her to kind 2017 01:43:28.720 --> 01:43:31.479 of be the champion who fight who defense against both 2018 01:43:32.359 --> 01:43:34.520 more more, because she's a top star and they want 2019 01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:36.600 everyone they sign to have a chance to wrestle her, 2020 01:43:36.840 --> 01:43:39.279 regardless of if there if they're fan favored or not. 2021 01:43:39.720 --> 01:43:41.119 Greg your take on that situation. 2022 01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:45.800 I don't think Britt Baker needs to have that aha 2023 01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:49.239 baby face turned moment. I think the fans get behind 2024 01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:52.239 her because of the way she carries herself and her 2025 01:43:52.279 --> 01:43:55.079 confidence level. She reminds me a little bit of Becky 2026 01:43:55.159 --> 01:43:58.520 Lynch in that regard. You know, Becky Becky became popular, 2027 01:43:58.560 --> 01:44:04.359 but her popularity became massive because she was the man. 2028 01:44:04.680 --> 01:44:07.640 You know, she carried herself as the alpha of that 2029 01:44:07.840 --> 01:44:11.119 women's division in a way that you see in Britt Baker. 2030 01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:15.479 So I think the situations are somewhat similar, and I 2031 01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:18.920 would like to see Britt Baker continue on the track 2032 01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:21.680 that she's on, not really change anything, even if the 2033 01:44:21.720 --> 01:44:26.399 fans cheer her and sort of turn her baby face. 2034 01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:29.479 I would kind of like to see her going forward 2035 01:44:29.520 --> 01:44:33.600 and continuing with this character and continuing this championship run. 2036 01:44:34.319 --> 01:44:36.560 You know, I think it's time to move away from 2037 01:44:36.680 --> 01:44:39.039 Nila Rose. I think the match that they had was 2038 01:44:39.079 --> 01:44:41.640 a little disappointing, and I don't think there's a lot 2039 01:44:41.680 --> 01:44:43.600 of meat on that bone in terms of a rematch 2040 01:44:43.880 --> 01:44:49.359 or delving any deeper into anything there. So they have 2041 01:44:49.520 --> 01:44:53.439 a pretty decent They've accumulated quite a bit of talent 2042 01:44:54.079 --> 01:44:57.279 women's talent over the last several months to year. So 2043 01:44:59.199 --> 01:45:02.279 there are whether it's thunder Rosa, whether it's someone else, 2044 01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:05.680 there should be some top opponents lined up for Britt 2045 01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:08.239 Baker in the coming months. 2046 01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:10.359 Actually, anything else you want to bring up. 2047 01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:12.199 No, No, that was it. 2048 01:45:12.319 --> 01:45:14.319 I just kind of wanted to get yours and put 2049 01:45:14.319 --> 01:45:17.039 on that, so I'll drop off in and let you guys. 2050 01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:18.000 Go and get to have the callers. 2051 01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:19.199 But Greg, thank you. 2052 01:45:19.319 --> 01:45:20.800 It was a pleasure talking to you. 2053 01:45:20.840 --> 01:45:21.680 It's it's so great. 2054 01:45:22.279 --> 01:45:22.439 Yeah. 2055 01:45:22.479 --> 01:45:23.720 Yeah, I was gonna say before you do hang up, 2056 01:45:23.720 --> 01:45:25.560 I appreciate your kind of words too, actually, and glad 2057 01:45:25.600 --> 01:45:27.960 you called in. What was what? What was your I've 2058 01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:30.039 asked everybody this, who the other two who were there? 2059 01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:32.680 What's your take on the reaction to Nick Gage and 2060 01:45:33.159 --> 01:45:35.439 coming out, how many people knew him, how excited they were, 2061 01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:38.880 and whether that match was what everybody was looking for 2062 01:45:39.079 --> 01:45:42.279 or cringe your you know, cringe worthy or too gory 2063 01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:44.560 for some fans. Just kind of the ebb and flow 2064 01:45:44.600 --> 01:45:46.479 of the crowd reaction for that match. 2065 01:45:47.640 --> 01:45:50.119 Yeah, no, I think everyone was pretty much looking forward 2066 01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:52.439 to it. I don't think that was necessarily the match 2067 01:45:52.479 --> 01:45:54.720 that the majority of the crowd was there for. I 2068 01:45:54.760 --> 01:45:58.479 think it was the opening match, the elimination match between 2069 01:45:58.520 --> 01:46:03.119 the league and wear a hang Ma Page. But a 2070 01:46:03.159 --> 01:46:06.039 couple of parents who had much younger kids ended up 2071 01:46:06.159 --> 01:46:08.479 leaving right before the main event. I think because they 2072 01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:10.720 pretty much knew what to expect, so they probably. 2073 01:46:10.439 --> 01:46:12.000 Didn't want to take the younger kids. 2074 01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:14.199 There, but their kids were probably like five, six, seven 2075 01:46:14.359 --> 01:46:16.760 years old, so you know, not the older kids. But yeah, 2076 01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:18.600 I think for the most part, I would say probably 2077 01:46:18.640 --> 01:46:21.560 about probably half of the crowd. 2078 01:46:21.319 --> 01:46:23.920 Knew who Nick Age was, but it was they kind 2079 01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:26.159 of like everyone loved Jericho, so they were kind of 2080 01:46:26.239 --> 01:46:29.520 like just cheering Jericho, not by default but just because 2081 01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:33.319 it's just Jericho. But they still cheered for for Cage 2082 01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:36.199 and still there was MVK chance throughout the night, and 2083 01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:39.560 when his package was on earlier in the show, he 2084 01:46:39.640 --> 01:46:41.640 got a pretty good response. And so I would say 2085 01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:44.279 the majority of people who there knew who he was, 2086 01:46:44.359 --> 01:46:47.880 but I don't think I don't think they necessarily the 2087 01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:51.079 majority was there necessarily specifically to see that, but it 2088 01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:52.520 was like an added bonus. 2089 01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:56.079 Uh cool, Actually, thanks so much for taking time to 2090 01:46:56.119 --> 01:46:57.720 give us a call, and I'll call again when you can. 2091 01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:02.000 Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate it, and everyone. 2092 01:47:01.800 --> 01:47:06.560 Go vip thanks Ashley, appreciate it. Pwtorch dot com, slash 2093 01:47:06.680 --> 01:47:08.800 go vip. What are you waiting for? Come on back 2094 01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:13.600 or join us for the first time before pushing play 2095 01:47:13.600 --> 01:47:15.680 on the Weaight Keller Pro Wrestling post shows. 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All right, 2107 01:47:54.359 --> 01:48:01.119 let's see. We will go to Chris in Newfoundland. Chris, 2108 01:48:01.159 --> 01:48:02.920 welcome to the show. What do you think of it? 2109 01:48:02.920 --> 01:48:06.119 Out of me tonight, gentlemen, good well, morning for me? 2110 01:48:07.199 --> 01:48:07.800 Good good. 2111 01:48:09.159 --> 01:48:12.359 I believe, I believe and I might have missed it, 2112 01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:15.199 but I believe the streak is over. I don't think 2113 01:48:15.239 --> 01:48:16.840 we got a female canine reference. 2114 01:48:17.600 --> 01:48:20.159 Ooh nice, I'm happy. Now let's start a new streak. 2115 01:48:23.359 --> 01:48:25.479 I mean by that, I mean let's keep that. Let's 2116 01:48:25.560 --> 01:48:28.199 keep that one going, not start dropping bwards next week. 2117 01:48:28.319 --> 01:48:32.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I don't know if this 2118 01:48:32.199 --> 01:48:34.880 was a Canadian thing, but we got cut to a 2119 01:48:34.920 --> 01:48:38.239 picture of picture commercial during Maxley's promo. I don't know 2120 01:48:38.239 --> 01:48:40.279 if either of you had that issue or if anybody 2121 01:48:40.359 --> 01:48:44.119 else did, but I missed like eighty percent of Marxley's promo. 2122 01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:46.119 Huh No, it didn't happen for us. 2123 01:48:46.199 --> 01:48:48.199 So as soon as you mentioned town of how She's name, 2124 01:48:48.239 --> 01:48:48.760 it cut out. 2125 01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:51.439 Oh interesting, Well that's a bummer. But now probably just 2126 01:48:51.479 --> 01:48:53.760 a glitch from the local what channel carries. 2127 01:48:53.520 --> 01:48:57.880 It as TSN we get it done? Who used to 2128 01:48:57.880 --> 01:48:58.760 have WWE? 2129 01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:02.359 But yeah, SOBLY just went to a local break when 2130 01:49:02.399 --> 01:49:04.439 they shouldn't have, or they had more breaks than T 2131 01:49:04.520 --> 01:49:05.239 ANDT scheduled. 2132 01:49:08.279 --> 01:49:09.840 A lot of the stuff has been picked clean. I 2133 01:49:09.880 --> 01:49:13.079 know how heavier it feels every week now. A couple 2134 01:49:13.119 --> 01:49:15.840 of things I wanted to just touch on real quick, 2135 01:49:17.640 --> 01:49:20.520 the worry that I have with some of the signings 2136 01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:22.079 that they've had recent I mean, we've got Gauge on 2137 01:49:22.119 --> 01:49:23.439 the show. We don't know if he's going to get 2138 01:49:23.439 --> 01:49:27.319 a contract probably. It seems unlikely, but you've got Janella, 2139 01:49:27.399 --> 01:49:31.000 you've got Maxley, you've got Kingston, you've got Lansachi, you've 2140 01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:33.279 got Dobby. If they signed an a gauge, Is it 2141 01:49:33.399 --> 01:49:37.279 possible that Tony Kahn and his well known love for ECW, 2142 01:49:37.439 --> 01:49:39.800 that Rampage is going to be ECW style show. 2143 01:49:41.439 --> 01:49:45.640 I don't think so, But I wouldn't mind if Rampage 2144 01:49:45.720 --> 01:49:52.439 had a distinct, you know, identity where you kind of 2145 01:49:52.520 --> 01:49:54.439 knew what you were getting, and with that later night 2146 01:49:54.520 --> 01:49:57.399 time slot there would be more freedom. It's not that late. 2147 01:49:57.439 --> 01:50:00.359 It's the third hour of Raw, you know, timeslot, you know, 2148 01:50:00.439 --> 01:50:02.399 and not not you know, the Friday version of Ron 2149 01:50:02.439 --> 01:50:05.840 Monday in that spot in that hour. But you know, 2150 01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:07.199 I'm you know, but I don't know. I mean, I 2151 01:50:07.319 --> 01:50:11.680 I think I think Eddie Kingston and you know Moxley 2152 01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:15.880 is enough, you know. I mean, I think Nick Gage 2153 01:50:16.159 --> 01:50:19.920 would be redundant, and I think Nick works better frankly 2154 01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:23.159 on a smaller scale, you know, as a cult guy, 2155 01:50:23.319 --> 01:50:25.359 not a national TV guy. Eddie Kingston's I think has 2156 01:50:25.399 --> 01:50:28.479 transitioned successfully. But really I think Eddie's got that turf, 2157 01:50:29.680 --> 01:50:33.039 that turf established as his own right now. Greg your thoughts. 2158 01:50:34.399 --> 01:50:37.800 Yeah, I kind of agree. You know, he's at his 2159 01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:39.760 best in these death matches and you can't you just 2160 01:50:39.800 --> 01:50:43.119 can't do those every week or even every couple of weeks. 2161 01:50:43.199 --> 01:50:46.960 So he's he's nice as a curiosity here on this 2162 01:50:47.039 --> 01:50:50.960 kind of show, and you know, getting this kind of 2163 01:50:51.279 --> 01:50:54.359 national exposure is going to help him going forward. And 2164 01:50:54.439 --> 01:50:57.079 we've seen AW do that with wrestlers. We've seen them 2165 01:50:57.079 --> 01:51:01.560 take independent wrestlers and give them exposure on AW and 2166 01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:03.560 kind of give them a boost when it comes to 2167 01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:05.520 going back on the independence. There's nothing wrong with that. 2168 01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:08.079 You know, some people are better made for the independent 2169 01:51:08.159 --> 01:51:11.199 scenes such as it is than being on a national 2170 01:51:11.960 --> 01:51:15.920 weekly television show. And Gauge might be one of those guys. 2171 01:51:17.560 --> 01:51:19.000 Yeah, yeah, gooid Chris. Anything else. 2172 01:51:20.439 --> 01:51:22.039 Well, I was going to say Joey Styles is still 2173 01:51:22.079 --> 01:51:24.760 out there, but after what got him cut from involved 2174 01:51:24.760 --> 01:51:26.840 in CHICAA, I don't think any promotion wants to touch 2175 01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:31.319 him right now. The only other thing that hasn't really 2176 01:51:31.359 --> 01:51:33.720 been beaten to death. I mean, I wanted to mention 2177 01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:37.039 that Jim Ross might sound energized, but energized rambling is 2178 01:51:37.039 --> 01:51:39.000 still rambling, and I still don't want to hear it. 2179 01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:42.119 I want to just go back to what I actually 2180 01:51:42.159 --> 01:51:45.880 just mentioned, that heal, the possible the reaction to Cody 2181 01:51:45.880 --> 01:51:49.199 and maybe a heel to him there now, Alice and 2182 01:51:49.279 --> 01:51:51.960 Malachi Black definitely said, do you hear those people? Cody, 2183 01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:53.359 welcome to the House of Black. 2184 01:51:53.720 --> 01:51:54.319 Yeah. 2185 01:51:54.359 --> 01:51:56.920 I'm not sure how I feel about that as a catchphrase. 2186 01:51:57.199 --> 01:52:02.800 But the white black thing, Greg, you mentioned Sean Michaels 2187 01:52:02.800 --> 01:52:04.920 in the undertake a few Shawn Michael's got booed in 2188 01:52:04.960 --> 01:52:08.079 that match. We have Mordecai all in white as a heel. 2189 01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:10.399 Seth Rollins did all in white as a heel a 2190 01:52:10.399 --> 01:52:11.880 couple of times, although he also did it as a 2191 01:52:11.880 --> 01:52:15.560 face against Triple H. The all in white thing has 2192 01:52:15.640 --> 01:52:18.720 often been used as a heel, almost as an ironic thing. Yeah, 2193 01:52:18.920 --> 01:52:22.119 so it could. I don't know if they intended it, 2194 01:52:22.520 --> 01:52:26.039 but they could easily transition it to that. And bringing 2195 01:52:26.079 --> 01:52:29.239 in Punk and Danielson. You need a heal because no 2196 01:52:29.279 --> 01:52:31.039 matter what you do, those two are going to get 2197 01:52:31.079 --> 01:52:34.840 face receptions unless they literally come in and kick a puppy. 2198 01:52:36.319 --> 01:52:39.680 I laugh and I hesitate if that would even even 2199 01:52:39.720 --> 01:52:46.159 do it. Sadly, Oh, if it was Pharaoh, I don't 2200 01:52:46.199 --> 01:52:49.239 want any dogs near Pyro right now. So let's you know, 2201 01:52:49.279 --> 01:52:51.439 and I know people who have will never forgive Cody 2202 01:52:51.439 --> 01:52:54.800 for putting Pharaoh through that, and I get it, Yeah, Greg, 2203 01:52:54.840 --> 01:52:55.680 any thoughts. 2204 01:52:56.720 --> 01:52:59.439 Yeah, I think that's that's conceivable the way they go 2205 01:52:59.479 --> 01:53:02.079 about it. I guess it all goes back to how 2206 01:53:02.760 --> 01:53:06.000 you know, we mentioned this before, how aware is Cody 2207 01:53:06.479 --> 01:53:09.720 of what he's doing and of you know, who he is. 2208 01:53:09.760 --> 01:53:12.560 If he's super aware of what he's doing, then yeah, 2209 01:53:12.640 --> 01:53:15.439 maybe it is him dressing in white as a heel 2210 01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:19.119 tactic to be ironic. But I don't know that we 2211 01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:22.159 have enough evidence that Cody is has that kind of 2212 01:53:22.159 --> 01:53:24.960 awareness about him or if he thinks what he's doing 2213 01:53:25.039 --> 01:53:27.920 is genuinely going to get a baby face reaction. 2214 01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:33.680 Yeah, yeah, anything else for us, yep. 2215 01:53:33.720 --> 01:53:34.680 I'll leave you on this one. 2216 01:53:34.720 --> 01:53:34.960 Wade. 2217 01:53:35.319 --> 01:53:37.720 I had tweeted at you earlier this week with a 2218 01:53:37.760 --> 01:53:42.039 prediction for that ten man tag, and sadly I got 2219 01:53:42.039 --> 01:53:45.039 it completely wrong. I was convinced Omega was not going 2220 01:53:45.079 --> 01:53:46.760 to wrestle. I thought he was going to back out 2221 01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:49.960 and get Knakazawa in there, or that he would just 2222 01:53:50.039 --> 01:53:52.239 walk off as he was the last man left. I 2223 01:53:52.760 --> 01:53:54.920 have no idea what they're doing or why they went 2224 01:53:54.960 --> 01:53:57.680 in the direction they went. I don't know if the 2225 01:53:57.720 --> 01:54:01.560 plans changed because of the signings that the whole thing 2226 01:54:01.600 --> 01:54:04.880 has been addressed pretty well on this show, but I 2227 01:54:05.560 --> 01:54:07.640 just wanted to add I'm not a fan, and I 2228 01:54:07.680 --> 01:54:09.439 really think it would have been better if Omega had 2229 01:54:09.479 --> 01:54:11.199 just walked out and got the countdout as the last 2230 01:54:11.199 --> 01:54:14.880 elimination or something. So I'll pass over to Nick and 2231 01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:17.399 Javier if they're still waiting, and thanks for taking my call. 2232 01:54:17.720 --> 01:54:18.439 Appreciate it. Thanks. 2233 01:54:18.520 --> 01:54:18.800 Ris. 2234 01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:21.479 Yeah, in that match, you know, Kenny was in the 2235 01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:23.880 ring and then at the start against doing a forward 2236 01:54:23.880 --> 01:54:28.000 to forehead trash talking type thing back and forth with Page. 2237 01:54:28.039 --> 01:54:29.800 But then I think it was Gallows who kind of 2238 01:54:29.800 --> 01:54:33.399 said no, no, back away and protected him. So Kenny 2239 01:54:33.479 --> 01:54:38.520 wasn't overtly being you know, scared or chicken or reluctant. 2240 01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:42.239 He was trying to put up a brave front. But yeah, 2241 01:54:42.239 --> 01:54:44.399 he was involved in the match. I mean, so yeah, 2242 01:54:44.640 --> 01:54:48.279 I think Payman Page fans were invested in this being 2243 01:54:48.319 --> 01:54:51.359 his night, and there is a risk that in Tony's 2244 01:54:51.359 --> 01:54:53.119 excitement about a lot of other things going on, that 2245 01:54:53.159 --> 01:55:01.039 he overbooked or underestimated the deflating feeling that you know, 2246 01:55:01.159 --> 01:55:03.079 Eric Role expressed at the beginning and other callers have. 2247 01:55:03.880 --> 01:55:06.159 Yeah, I agree. I think that was a tough one, 2248 01:55:06.159 --> 01:55:09.399 but you know, the rest of the show sort of 2249 01:55:09.439 --> 01:55:11.800 made that result palatable, you know, because there was so 2250 01:55:11.960 --> 01:55:16.239 much going on, and so I think that was putting 2251 01:55:16.239 --> 01:55:18.479 it at the beginning sort of allowed the rest of 2252 01:55:18.520 --> 01:55:23.439 the show to make that result easier to digest. 2253 01:55:23.479 --> 01:55:25.720 I think yep makes sense. 2254 01:55:28.159 --> 01:55:31.439 On Tuesday nights, the conversation doesn't stop when nxtends, it's 2255 01:55:31.560 --> 01:55:33.960 just getting started. I'm Nate Lindberg, and alongside my co 2256 01:55:34.039 --> 01:55:37.399 host Kelly Wells, we bring you PWT Talks NXT. We 2257 01:55:37.479 --> 01:55:39.880 go live on the pw torch YouTube channel about fifteen 2258 01:55:39.880 --> 01:55:42.880 minutes after the show to break down matches, storylines, and surprises, 2259 01:55:42.920 --> 01:55:45.199 and we take your questions and comments from the live chat. 2260 01:55:45.279 --> 01:55:46.800 Miss us live, but you still want to be part 2261 01:55:46.800 --> 01:55:49.479 of the show, send your thoughts to pw Torch nxtatgmail 2262 01:55:49.520 --> 01:55:51.800 dot com and catch the replay on YouTube or on 2263 01:55:51.840 --> 01:55:54.520 the pw torch daily cast feed. Just search pw Torch 2264 01:55:54.560 --> 01:55:57.119 on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. And of 2265 01:55:57.119 --> 01:55:59.479 course you can always stream the latest shows at PW 2266 01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:00.000 torch dot com. 2267 01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:10.279 All right, we'll go to Jay in Hartford next. Jay, 2268 01:56:10.279 --> 01:56:13.439 thanks for your patients, holding and what do you think 2269 01:56:13.479 --> 01:56:17.039 of donam I'm assuming somebody's going to fall in asleep, well, 2270 01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:19.760 you know, lying on the couch with her phone on speaker. 2271 01:56:20.119 --> 01:56:22.560 Jay might be might have been someone Jay? Are there? 2272 01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:27.279 All right? Well we'll check back with him and jump 2273 01:56:27.319 --> 01:56:30.279 over to Nick in Brattleborough. Nick, thank you for your patients. 2274 01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:31.840 Are you awake? Are you still there? 2275 01:56:33.199 --> 01:56:34.960 Yeah? Hold all wait, what's home? 2276 01:56:35.680 --> 01:56:35.760 No? 2277 01:56:35.840 --> 01:56:40.239 I am awake. A couple of quick corrections. Britt Baker 2278 01:56:40.359 --> 01:56:41.640 mentioned the B word twice. 2279 01:56:41.880 --> 01:56:45.439 Oh jeez, oh man, all right, I don't know how 2280 01:56:45.760 --> 01:56:49.359 I'm sorry, but and the other one is ramp If 2281 01:56:49.399 --> 01:56:52.000 you're not going to say it, it's it's rampage. In 2282 01:56:52.039 --> 01:56:54.399 the first one in Pittsburgh the week before United Center 2283 01:56:54.439 --> 01:56:55.399 for the first dance. 2284 01:56:55.359 --> 01:56:58.520 I'm the thirteenth. Yes, that was that was my second one. Yeah, 2285 01:56:59.680 --> 01:57:01.239 you're not the first to want to commit. 2286 01:57:01.560 --> 01:57:03.319 You were not the first to point that out. I'm 2287 01:57:03.439 --> 01:57:06.920 very upset with caliber. But he messaged, and I'm going 2288 01:57:06.960 --> 01:57:10.000 to be bitter that he corrected us on the air. No, 2289 01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:12.840 I'm kidding. Yeah, it didn't sound right, but the first 2290 01:57:12.920 --> 01:57:15.479 dance thing threw me off, and I I like, August 2291 01:57:15.560 --> 01:57:19.079 feels so far away until it's here. So but yeah, yeah, oh, 2292 01:57:19.119 --> 01:57:21.640 I know, yeah yeah. 2293 01:57:23.119 --> 01:57:27.439 I also want to really commend Ashley for being one 2294 01:57:27.479 --> 01:57:31.399 of our women callers. I think it's great, and I 2295 01:57:31.479 --> 01:57:35.079 know it's not your doing or anything, but I love 2296 01:57:35.199 --> 01:57:39.439 hearing a woman's perspective on something that what would you say, 2297 01:57:39.479 --> 01:57:42.960 thirty percent of the audience for wrestling as women. 2298 01:57:43.159 --> 01:57:46.439 Yeah, yeah, but it's not they're not represented on our 2299 01:57:46.479 --> 01:57:47.760 calls or emails unfortunately. 2300 01:57:49.199 --> 01:57:54.199 Yeah. No, I just think it's cool, So I'm gonna 2301 01:57:54.199 --> 01:57:57.720 throw out there's two very funny ironic things that happened tonight, 2302 01:57:58.399 --> 01:58:00.920 and I believe it was Jim Ross, although sometimes I 2303 01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:05.359 get him and Tony confused. But during the FTW celebration, 2304 01:58:06.479 --> 01:58:12.680 when Brian came into the ring with the trombone, he 2305 01:58:12.760 --> 01:58:17.000 said trombones have no place in wrestling. Call. 2306 01:58:17.039 --> 01:58:18.640 Of course, that was my favorite line of the night, 2307 01:58:19.560 --> 01:58:21.000 so true was great. 2308 01:58:21.039 --> 01:58:24.560 I loved it. And then you probably didn't catch this 2309 01:58:24.600 --> 01:58:27.359 because I'm sure you were finishing up your report, but 2310 01:58:28.239 --> 01:58:33.399 right as Dynamite ends, which it did, run over tonight, 2311 01:58:33.479 --> 01:58:37.920 by the way, right as it ended, they the TNT 2312 01:58:38.119 --> 01:58:41.880 starts their movie and they say, please be aware that 2313 01:58:41.960 --> 01:58:46.039 this movie contains material it might not be suitable for children. 2314 01:58:46.239 --> 01:58:50.720 Your discretion is advised. Right after they've had this bloody 2315 01:58:51.039 --> 01:58:53.960 mess all over the screen. So I just thought that 2316 01:58:54.159 --> 01:58:55.760 was ironically very funny. 2317 01:58:57.159 --> 01:59:00.960 And I was thinking, you know, like that should air 2318 01:59:01.000 --> 01:59:03.840 before the Jericho match. And I fast forward through the commercial, 2319 01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:06.319 so maybe they did air some sort of warning before 2320 01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:10.560 Gage to Jericho. But I chuckle at that, and I 2321 01:59:10.560 --> 01:59:12.760 was like, I don't know what movie it was, but 2322 01:59:12.920 --> 01:59:15.600 I doubt it comes anywhere close to what we had 2323 01:59:15.640 --> 01:59:15.880 just seen. 2324 01:59:15.920 --> 01:59:19.199 The biggest, you know, the better, the better. Back to 2325 01:59:19.239 --> 01:59:22.840 back and Twitter pointed this out is that after Nick 2326 01:59:22.880 --> 01:59:27.079 Gage used the pizza cutter on Chris Jericho, they went 2327 01:59:27.159 --> 01:59:29.680 to a commercial break and in Picture and Picture what 2328 01:59:29.760 --> 01:59:32.399 was the first commercial It was for Dominoes and they 2329 01:59:32.439 --> 01:59:35.680 had cutting the pizza with the I said, it's like, 2330 01:59:35.800 --> 01:59:37.840 it's one of those things where're like, did they plan 2331 01:59:37.920 --> 01:59:39.960 it that way? It was almost too convenient that it 2332 01:59:40.000 --> 01:59:40.399 did that. 2333 01:59:40.800 --> 01:59:41.880 That's funny, that's funny. 2334 01:59:42.239 --> 01:59:47.359 Yeah, what at least here on YouTube, the Picture and 2335 01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:50.399 Picture was I got picture and picture during most of 2336 01:59:50.439 --> 01:59:54.560 the Pizza cutter stuff, which I was actually kind of 2337 01:59:54.560 --> 02:00:00.079 thankful for just to add my voice to it. I 2338 02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:03.319 it's not for me. I mean, God, bless those people 2339 02:00:03.319 --> 02:00:07.279 who like watching it and stuff. It's just and by God. 2340 02:00:07.159 --> 02:00:07.600 Bless you. 2341 02:00:07.600 --> 02:00:09.279 You mean, what's wrong with you? 2342 02:00:10.920 --> 02:00:11.119 Yeah? 2343 02:00:11.199 --> 02:00:18.439 Right, exactly it was. I mean even the pizza cutters 2344 02:00:18.479 --> 02:00:22.920 that it's the grinding that the tube and oh god, 2345 02:00:23.000 --> 02:00:27.039 it's just like anyway, I have once anario, I'm going 2346 02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:29.520 to run by you and then I'll let you guys 2347 02:00:29.560 --> 02:00:32.039 discuss it and I'll hang up and let Hotty arget on. 2348 02:00:33.680 --> 02:00:39.520 What if they figure some way where they don't really 2349 02:00:39.560 --> 02:00:43.359 have a GM or anything, but the announcers say listen 2350 02:00:43.880 --> 02:00:50.039 because of all the use of the belts, Adam Page 2351 02:00:50.119 --> 02:00:54.039 is going to get his title shot at at all out? 2352 02:00:54.119 --> 02:00:59.720 And is there any way they bring Punk in? Now? 2353 02:00:59.760 --> 02:01:03.079 I'm missed Punk. I was like not watching wrestling when 2354 02:01:03.119 --> 02:01:06.199 he was doing his thing. I've seen clips and stuff. 2355 02:01:07.039 --> 02:01:09.680 Is there any way they can bring him in? He 2356 02:01:09.960 --> 02:01:15.560 beats the tar and leaves Darby all in a bloody 2357 02:01:15.640 --> 02:01:19.920 mess and they make him a heal and he's Page's 2358 02:01:20.159 --> 02:01:28.760 first first feud after Page beats Kenny. I Greg that 2359 02:01:28.920 --> 02:01:33.239 I'll let you talk about that, Go VIP and have 2360 02:01:33.319 --> 02:01:33.920 a great night. 2361 02:01:34.279 --> 02:01:37.239 Thanks. Thanks, appreciate your contribution as always, Greg, Yeah, you're 2362 02:01:37.279 --> 02:01:37.720 rid of that. 2363 02:01:38.800 --> 02:01:43.399 Yeah, I think it's possible Punk more so than Brian 2364 02:01:43.479 --> 02:01:48.279 Danielson in terms of, you know, expecting Page to win 2365 02:01:48.319 --> 02:01:50.640 it all out beat Omega. And then you've got two 2366 02:01:50.840 --> 02:01:54.239 very big stars in Punk and Danielson, which if you're 2367 02:01:54.279 --> 02:01:56.199 paying them the kind of money they're probably going to 2368 02:01:56.239 --> 02:01:59.159 be getting, you want them in a very prominent position, 2369 02:01:59.279 --> 02:02:03.399 and usually the most prominent position is in the world 2370 02:02:03.479 --> 02:02:08.159 title hunt. So more Punk more so than Brian Danielson 2371 02:02:08.159 --> 02:02:11.359 you could see as a heel facing a baby face 2372 02:02:11.439 --> 02:02:14.039 Adam Page. I think the other thing we have to 2373 02:02:14.079 --> 02:02:18.399 keep in mind too is I don't feel like with 2374 02:02:18.520 --> 02:02:21.479 AEW we've had the problem at least so far, and 2375 02:02:21.479 --> 02:02:24.079 it's run that we've had with WWE where you can 2376 02:02:24.119 --> 02:02:27.720 sit there and look at WWE's raws smack down roster 2377 02:02:27.760 --> 02:02:30.199 and say, wow, they are way short on heels or 2378 02:02:30.199 --> 02:02:34.479 they're way short on babyfaces. AW has kept it pretty balanced, 2379 02:02:34.479 --> 02:02:38.279 I think, with a large roster. So if Danielson and 2380 02:02:38.319 --> 02:02:40.720 Punk come in, both his babyface I think that runs 2381 02:02:40.760 --> 02:02:44.039 the risk of tilting the babyface side a little too far, 2382 02:02:44.159 --> 02:02:48.800 especially when your last major acquisition came in Christian and 2383 02:02:48.840 --> 02:02:51.359 he's a baby face as well. So I think just 2384 02:02:51.479 --> 02:02:55.119 my numbers standpoint now, yes, and you know, I know 2385 02:02:55.119 --> 02:02:57.159 people are kind of expecting him to turn on Jungle Boy. 2386 02:02:57.199 --> 02:03:00.640 I don't know about that, but you know, just from 2387 02:03:00.640 --> 02:03:03.000 a numbers standpoint, it may be wiser to bring Punk 2388 02:03:03.039 --> 02:03:03.920 in as a heel. 2389 02:03:05.279 --> 02:03:09.600 All right, very yeah, good luck. But I think both 2390 02:03:09.840 --> 02:03:11.439 Brian and Punk are you know, might be up for 2391 02:03:11.479 --> 02:03:16.199 that challenge, and it'd be it'd be gutsy, but I 2392 02:03:16.199 --> 02:03:18.640 think there's I think there's a way to pull it off, 2393 02:03:18.800 --> 02:03:21.359 even if it doesn't work where you don't go, well, 2394 02:03:21.359 --> 02:03:22.840 that was crazy to didn't put a thought into it. 2395 02:03:22.840 --> 02:03:23.960 I mean, I think you can put some thought into 2396 02:03:24.000 --> 02:03:25.359 it and give it a try and and and if 2397 02:03:25.359 --> 02:03:27.279 you got to adjust, you gotta adjust. I mean they 2398 02:03:27.279 --> 02:03:29.079 did try to turn da w try to turn Day 2399 02:03:29.119 --> 02:03:32.039 Brian heel at the peak of his popularity, and you know, 2400 02:03:32.600 --> 02:03:36.840 so anyway, all right, just a reminder you can reach 2401 02:03:36.920 --> 02:03:39.399 us at Wade Keller Post Show at gmail dot com 2402 02:03:39.439 --> 02:03:42.039 if you're interested in contributing to the flagship or Wadekeller 2403 02:03:42.079 --> 02:03:44.439 Post Show at gmail dot com. If you're interested in 2404 02:03:44.560 --> 02:03:46.920 submitting a question or a topic or even a rant 2405 02:03:46.960 --> 02:03:56.479 on the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling post shows. Let's go 2406 02:03:56.560 --> 02:03:58.640 to two three one, next two three and go ahead, 2407 02:03:58.720 --> 02:03:59.920 state your name and where you're calling from. 2408 02:04:00.039 --> 02:04:04.119 MHM, and there's a Jacob Emery call from the Barvard, North. 2409 02:04:03.880 --> 02:04:06.159 Carolina Jake for North Carolina. 2410 02:04:06.239 --> 02:04:07.920 You said, Brevard. 2411 02:04:08.279 --> 02:04:10.399 God, this is Jacob from Vard, North Carolina. 2412 02:04:10.600 --> 02:04:11.119 Jacob Cool? 2413 02:04:11.199 --> 02:04:13.960 Gotcha were you at the show nights? 2414 02:04:14.960 --> 02:04:15.720 I was, yes? 2415 02:04:16.319 --> 02:04:17.319 Cool? Well was it? 2416 02:04:17.399 --> 02:04:17.479 Like? 2417 02:04:17.520 --> 02:04:17.560 What? 2418 02:04:17.800 --> 02:04:18.800 What's your takeaway from it? 2419 02:04:19.680 --> 02:04:20.000 Uh? 2420 02:04:20.199 --> 02:04:24.560 Incredible? It's my first AW show. Uh, I've been to. Uh, 2421 02:04:24.560 --> 02:04:29.520 I've been to several w W events in Greenville, South Carolina, 2422 02:04:30.760 --> 02:04:32.720 the first one there we went to, uh and and 2423 02:04:32.960 --> 02:04:37.319 Charlotte ar one in Charlotte there and it was just 2424 02:04:37.319 --> 02:04:40.279 just a world of difference between the between the two events, 2425 02:04:40.399 --> 02:04:41.439 quite frankly. 2426 02:04:41.600 --> 02:04:43.680 In what way paint that picture a little more? 2427 02:04:44.199 --> 02:04:44.439 Yeah? 2428 02:04:44.600 --> 02:04:47.520 So, uh So when you go to a w W event, 2429 02:04:47.920 --> 02:04:51.720 everything seems old, everything seems so strategically planned out, like 2430 02:04:51.840 --> 02:04:55.039 they have very much like you have a match, you 2431 02:04:55.159 --> 02:04:59.159 have h you have the uh you know, in between matches, 2432 02:04:59.199 --> 02:05:01.800 you have like video promos they've put onto the big 2433 02:05:01.840 --> 02:05:05.960 display and they have all that stuff. And then like tonight, 2434 02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:07.880 it was just like, you know, Justin Roberts will just 2435 02:05:07.920 --> 02:05:09.880 come out and just be like, hey, you know, hey, 2436 02:05:09.960 --> 02:05:11.800 let's have some one of the crowd once in a while, 2437 02:05:12.079 --> 02:05:14.800 or some rustlers will come out and be like, hey, 2438 02:05:14.880 --> 02:05:17.439 let's just just you know, like it's just you and 2439 02:05:17.520 --> 02:05:20.079 us just having fun. And it was very more, very 2440 02:05:20.079 --> 02:05:24.399 more personal, very more personable, and just much more, much 2441 02:05:24.439 --> 02:05:27.600 more enjoyable, much more like you're part of an overall 2442 02:05:27.640 --> 02:05:29.479 fan experience and what I what I've. 2443 02:05:29.399 --> 02:05:29.880 Been used to. 2444 02:05:31.319 --> 02:05:34.319 Yeah, yeah, that's that's interesting. I mean, the the how 2445 02:05:34.359 --> 02:05:36.560 it's different, just the vibe of being there and what 2446 02:05:36.600 --> 02:05:39.520 that fan experience is like, it's interesting to me. And 2447 02:05:39.960 --> 02:05:44.000 in w B does have a very distinct and formal 2448 02:05:44.119 --> 02:05:47.359 way and a formula way that they go about things. 2449 02:05:48.079 --> 02:05:50.079 What else jumped out in terms of crowd reactions tonight 2450 02:05:50.199 --> 02:05:51.800 or just your your take on some of the big 2451 02:05:51.840 --> 02:05:52.600 angles or matches. 2452 02:05:53.640 --> 02:05:56.560 Well, and so one year college mentioned about Cody Roach 2453 02:05:56.640 --> 02:05:59.880 there about how yeah, about how he was he was 2454 02:06:00.039 --> 02:06:03.439 he was booted heavily, and and I'd have to agree 2455 02:06:03.479 --> 02:06:06.439 with her very much so of how he was, Uh, 2456 02:06:08.119 --> 02:06:10.399 he was on the screen kind of booted first, and 2457 02:06:10.439 --> 02:06:12.760 then when when he got his first shot in there 2458 02:06:12.800 --> 02:06:16.000 on Malachi there on the stage, it was a very 2459 02:06:16.039 --> 02:06:21.520 strong like like don't don't do that basically and then 2460 02:06:22.000 --> 02:06:24.359 my malechi got his shot, I got his shot in. 2461 02:06:24.479 --> 02:06:25.640 It was very much like you. 2462 02:06:25.600 --> 02:06:28.319 Know, hey, like it's awesome, great. 2463 02:06:27.960 --> 02:06:32.760 You know, keep doing that and so uh and so 2464 02:06:32.840 --> 02:06:34.520 that was that was that was something that was very 2465 02:06:34.600 --> 02:06:37.359 much like, you know, stood out to me of like, 2466 02:06:37.399 --> 02:06:41.239 you know, here's Cody who hasn't been hasn't really been 2467 02:06:41.279 --> 02:06:45.159 a heel crowd reactionary wise, and is uh his a 2468 02:06:45.439 --> 02:06:48.760 W run and then and then and then and then 2469 02:06:48.800 --> 02:06:53.560 tonight here it was very much much that that an 2470 02:06:53.600 --> 02:06:56.760 example of like, you know, he really could be a 2471 02:06:56.800 --> 02:06:59.640 great heel for a W when it comes time to 2472 02:06:59.680 --> 02:06:59.880 be that. 2473 02:07:00.279 --> 02:07:01.760 Oh, I think Cody'd be a great heel And I 2474 02:07:01.760 --> 02:07:05.640 think people will pay to boo him when the time comes. 2475 02:07:05.680 --> 02:07:07.680 I think, you know, the reaction to him at all 2476 02:07:07.720 --> 02:07:09.399 in and I was in Chicago for that. It was 2477 02:07:09.800 --> 02:07:11.960 thank you so much for bringing us an alternative to 2478 02:07:12.039 --> 02:07:14.960 what vincick Mann has been presenting us. And you know, 2479 02:07:15.039 --> 02:07:17.520 we're with you. But the more we get distant from that, 2480 02:07:17.560 --> 02:07:19.840 and the more he w gets its identity and the 2481 02:07:19.840 --> 02:07:23.359 more he sits under a sign that says EVP, I mean, 2482 02:07:23.880 --> 02:07:26.119 he'd better be going for heel heat when he flops that, 2483 02:07:26.279 --> 02:07:29.319 because there are to babyface EVPs right now. 2484 02:07:30.399 --> 02:07:30.640 You know. 2485 02:07:30.920 --> 02:07:35.319 It's just I mean, you know, like EVP and coach 2486 02:07:35.399 --> 02:07:37.720 like who does that? Who has a sign above their 2487 02:07:37.840 --> 02:07:41.439 head indicate yah? So I don't know, But again I 2488 02:07:41.439 --> 02:07:44.960 don't know. With Cody, you know, just the social awareness 2489 02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:49.039 of how he comes across to some fans, if not most, 2490 02:07:50.479 --> 02:07:52.359 you know, can catch up to him, and it does 2491 02:07:52.399 --> 02:07:56.479 with some babyfaces sometimes where you know, you get you know, 2492 02:07:56.560 --> 02:07:58.760 you kind of you start believing your elvis and you 2493 02:07:58.840 --> 02:08:01.520 lean into that and sometimes people like, yeah, we love you, 2494 02:08:01.560 --> 02:08:04.239 and other people like, hey, get over yourself. And so 2495 02:08:04.279 --> 02:08:06.560 we'll see, we'll see. It's an interesting time. But he's 2496 02:08:06.760 --> 02:08:10.319 he's he's so talented and has that star our aura 2497 02:08:10.399 --> 02:08:13.960 that he does not stray from. You know, he unlike 2498 02:08:14.439 --> 02:08:17.199 the Bucks and Kenny at times, you know, definitely pays 2499 02:08:17.239 --> 02:08:20.399 attention to his wardrobe and his appearance and coming across 2500 02:08:20.439 --> 02:08:23.279 as a star. So He's going to be fine either way. 2501 02:08:23.960 --> 02:08:25.720 But the idea is lean into, you know, how the 2502 02:08:25.760 --> 02:08:27.760 fans are reacting to you, and make money off of 2503 02:08:27.760 --> 02:08:30.439 that whichever way it goes exactly. 2504 02:08:30.960 --> 02:08:32.840 There was two other things that was kind of like 2505 02:08:33.199 --> 02:08:36.399 I was curious as it come off. The one thing 2506 02:08:36.600 --> 02:08:40.359 was the the elite coming off as like a like 2507 02:08:40.479 --> 02:08:43.119 the elite squad thing and almost seemed like it was 2508 02:08:43.159 --> 02:08:47.479 like too much of a space reaction, uh, to the 2509 02:08:47.520 --> 02:08:50.680 live crowd. It was like, at first they started Boolean 2510 02:08:50.760 --> 02:08:52.479 and all of a sudden they came out It's like, oh, 2511 02:08:52.520 --> 02:08:55.640 he's a space jam kind of like squat, and it 2512 02:08:55.720 --> 02:08:59.680 was like it was like, oh, well, hey, well we's 2513 02:08:59.680 --> 02:09:02.800 here because like, you know, hey we have you know, 2514 02:09:03.159 --> 02:09:07.039 this old school vibe that we love here but space Tom. 2515 02:09:07.159 --> 02:09:11.039 But like at the same time, yeah, it's this was 2516 02:09:11.119 --> 02:09:11.800 to heal acts. 2517 02:09:11.840 --> 02:09:14.479 Of course, I was saying, I want to get Grace 2518 02:09:14.560 --> 02:09:17.680 take on this. It could like I wasn't sure how 2519 02:09:17.840 --> 02:09:19.600 the average fan at home or the building would take 2520 02:09:19.600 --> 02:09:23.039 it if they were like mock. Obviously, they were doing 2521 02:09:23.039 --> 02:09:26.880 an NBA style introduction because it's a ten mint egg. 2522 02:09:26.920 --> 02:09:29.279 So we got five people that's a starting lineup and 2523 02:09:29.319 --> 02:09:31.119 we're gonna play the music that a lot of NBA 2524 02:09:32.439 --> 02:09:36.720 teams play at the beginning during formal introductions, and I 2525 02:09:36.720 --> 02:09:38.840 thought it was really clever. I think if a baby 2526 02:09:38.840 --> 02:09:40.479 Face team did it, the fans would roll their eyes 2527 02:09:40.479 --> 02:09:43.119 and go, that's pandering, that's too much. It's a little 2528 02:09:43.159 --> 02:09:46.359 too cute by half. With most baby Faces the heels 2529 02:09:46.359 --> 02:09:49.199 doing it, it came across to me like they were 2530 02:09:49.239 --> 02:09:53.720 intending to mock North Carolina's love of basketball and sort 2531 02:09:53.720 --> 02:09:56.560 of make a mockery of it. But I don't know 2532 02:09:56.600 --> 02:09:59.920 that it was obviously so I just I think that 2533 02:10:00.000 --> 02:10:02.000 that's what they were going for, But I don't know 2534 02:10:02.039 --> 02:10:04.000 if they went far enough with it where it just 2535 02:10:04.039 --> 02:10:06.079 didn't come across as hey, look at these guys who 2536 02:10:06.119 --> 02:10:08.560 love basketball having a good time in being showman. Greg, 2537 02:10:08.600 --> 02:10:10.159 what was your interpretation of it watching it? 2538 02:10:11.079 --> 02:10:13.239 Yeah, I thought it was over the top, but I 2539 02:10:13.279 --> 02:10:16.840 don't know that it was over the top obnoxious enough, 2540 02:10:17.159 --> 02:10:19.840 you know what I'm saying. It was totally Really it 2541 02:10:19.920 --> 02:10:22.479 was actually kind of cool to see, you know, And 2542 02:10:22.520 --> 02:10:26.039 I could I could see how fans would cheer that 2543 02:10:26.199 --> 02:10:29.039 kind of entrance, and I think a lot of them did. 2544 02:10:29.079 --> 02:10:33.079 It seemed like but you know, once the match got going, 2545 02:10:33.199 --> 02:10:36.359 there was no question who was a Heels, So I thought, 2546 02:10:36.680 --> 02:10:38.520 you know, I was really wondering if that was a 2547 02:10:38.520 --> 02:10:41.000 good idea. The way the way it worked out, I 2548 02:10:41.000 --> 02:10:42.800 think they could have leaned in a little more to 2549 02:10:42.840 --> 02:10:46.239 make it a little more obnoxious, but it was just 2550 02:10:46.319 --> 02:10:47.720 it was a cool visual either way. 2551 02:10:48.520 --> 02:10:50.520 Yeah, yeah, for sure, Jacob back to. 2552 02:10:52.640 --> 02:10:55.079 Yeah, and to Greg's point there, like that's how it 2553 02:10:55.079 --> 02:10:56.880 came across pretty much of the life crowd, like they 2554 02:10:56.920 --> 02:10:59.359 hit it up at first, but then it came across 2555 02:10:59.359 --> 02:11:02.439 its still just you know, went you know, as like 2556 02:11:02.520 --> 02:11:04.079 it was just it just seemed like they were very 2557 02:11:04.159 --> 02:11:06.640 much as full and stuff trying to dunk a basketball 2558 02:11:06.720 --> 02:11:10.439 four or five times in a row or whatever. I mean, goodness, gracious. 2559 02:11:11.800 --> 02:11:13.560 And then and then the last point I want to 2560 02:11:13.600 --> 02:11:17.960 make was when the the very first time they mentioned 2561 02:11:18.039 --> 02:11:21.119 the United Center, all of a sudden, the crowd just erupted, 2562 02:11:21.359 --> 02:11:24.039 like seeing Punk chances all over evenue through how that 2563 02:11:24.119 --> 02:11:27.079 came across it's a TV, but like it was like 2564 02:11:27.239 --> 02:11:30.479 as a que right away, like well, seeing Punk's going 2565 02:11:30.520 --> 02:11:33.800 to debuting there, and then like you know, two minutes later, 2566 02:11:33.960 --> 02:11:37.159 here's Darby Allen you know, mentioning in best in the world, 2567 02:11:37.279 --> 02:11:41.840 so like, it'll be interesting how they how they how 2568 02:11:41.880 --> 02:11:44.079 they promote that, because do they want to promote that 2569 02:11:44.159 --> 02:11:47.760 as like seeing Punk will be premiering there at this time, 2570 02:11:47.880 --> 02:11:50.840 or will they just like try to still play it 2571 02:11:50.880 --> 02:11:52.920 as a surprise angle to make it. 2572 02:11:52.880 --> 02:11:55.359 Work I mentioned earlier, it might depend on how the 2573 02:11:55.359 --> 02:11:58.199 ticket launch goes. If if the ticket launch is just 2574 02:11:58.239 --> 02:12:01.239 crazy good and word of mouth is enough, maybe they 2575 02:12:01.319 --> 02:12:05.199 lay low with it until Dynamite two days before, or 2576 02:12:06.199 --> 02:12:11.239 maybe Punk debuts in Pittsburgh but not in person but 2577 02:12:11.479 --> 02:12:13.880 in a video message or something just like to close 2578 02:12:13.920 --> 02:12:16.720 the show if they need a final push for tickets. 2579 02:12:16.760 --> 02:12:18.319 I mean, I'm just sort of spitballing. I think there's 2580 02:12:18.319 --> 02:12:20.640 a lot of ways you can play it. You can 2581 02:12:20.720 --> 02:12:22.640 announce it and not have them appeer. You can have 2582 02:12:22.720 --> 02:12:25.079 them just uppear and you know, wink at the camera 2583 02:12:25.119 --> 02:12:27.479 at the end of the first rampage. You can have 2584 02:12:27.560 --> 02:12:29.439 the announcers say he's you know, a big name is 2585 02:12:29.479 --> 02:12:31.359 going to be here, and the crowd chance it but 2586 02:12:31.399 --> 02:12:32.840 they don't say it officially. I mean, there's a lot 2587 02:12:32.880 --> 02:12:35.520 of ways you can let the larger audience know. I 2588 02:12:35.560 --> 02:12:38.680 think they might prefer to be coy and wait for 2589 02:12:38.720 --> 02:12:41.119 the moment to happen, but they can't do that if 2590 02:12:41.880 --> 02:12:44.439 if they don't get you know, fifteen to twenty thousand 2591 02:12:44.479 --> 02:12:47.399 people who know what they know what's at, know what's afoot, 2592 02:12:47.479 --> 02:12:51.760 and and buy tickets based on what's implied, even if 2593 02:12:51.800 --> 02:12:53.000 it's not overtly promoted. 2594 02:12:54.520 --> 02:12:57.199 Well, I appreciate get taking my call. Like I said, 2595 02:12:57.760 --> 02:13:01.640 my first first aw event there there was a first 2596 02:13:01.640 --> 02:13:05.239 time calling you guys as all as well. People were 2597 02:13:05.279 --> 02:13:07.600 around me saying, like, how when they were at Charlotte 2598 02:13:07.640 --> 02:13:10.000 the last time there last year or two years? So 2599 02:13:10.159 --> 02:13:14.560 at this point, yeah, it was like the half half 2600 02:13:14.600 --> 02:13:17.359 the half the stadium or at the arena was like 2601 02:13:18.279 --> 02:13:20.520 sectioned off and no one was allowed there, and like 2602 02:13:20.880 --> 02:13:22.960 this time was a full crowd all around, and it 2603 02:13:23.000 --> 02:13:25.239 was it was It was incredible. 2604 02:13:25.279 --> 02:13:25.800 It was great. 2605 02:13:28.079 --> 02:13:30.119 Admit it. You love Nick Barbatty when he co hosts 2606 02:13:30.159 --> 02:13:31.920 with me on the Wade Keller Post Shows. 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What percent of the fans do you think 2624 02:14:18.880 --> 02:14:21.640 we're wearing merch like aw or just any kind of 2625 02:14:21.640 --> 02:14:22.479 wrestling merchandise. 2626 02:14:24.199 --> 02:14:28.600 I would say almost, like gosh, eighty ninety percent of 2627 02:14:28.640 --> 02:14:30.960 the stands I saw they were wearing some kind of 2628 02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:34.520 a wrestling merch Yeah, wasn't. 2629 02:14:34.840 --> 02:14:35.319 I wouldn't. 2630 02:14:35.439 --> 02:14:37.800 I wouldn't make it to be like as hot of 2631 02:14:37.840 --> 02:14:40.960 a crowd as you would make it seem like like 2632 02:14:41.039 --> 02:14:46.319 a typical like hardcore wrestling audience. But but again, like 2633 02:14:46.319 --> 02:14:49.680 I beton several of the events, and it was still 2634 02:14:49.800 --> 02:14:53.079 much much more hot of a crowd than than any 2635 02:14:53.119 --> 02:14:54.560 kind of a wrestling event that I've been to. 2636 02:14:55.399 --> 02:14:58.880 Well you didn't hear this, but Jim Jacob Jim Ross 2637 02:14:58.920 --> 02:15:03.680 after the the United Center plug and you know there 2638 02:15:03.720 --> 02:15:07.800 were a punk chants that he certainly heard in the crowd, 2639 02:15:08.800 --> 02:15:13.159 and Ross said, uh, the future that that's compelling information. 2640 02:15:13.319 --> 02:15:17.319 Let's say the future looks bright, jump on and ride 2641 02:15:17.319 --> 02:15:21.159 along with us. The world will be traveling to Chicago. 2642 02:15:21.840 --> 02:15:27.079 So yeah, it's I mean, they're ross so'ta genuinely excited, 2643 02:15:27.119 --> 02:15:28.920 but also it's sort of like, hey, folks, if you 2644 02:15:28.960 --> 02:15:32.239 don't know and you're not sure, wink not, I'm telling 2645 02:15:32.279 --> 02:15:33.640 you you're gonna want to be there. 2646 02:15:34.880 --> 02:15:38.800 Well, I mean there may be like there was one uh, 2647 02:15:39.079 --> 02:15:42.239 there was one pop for Darby and Sting in the 2648 02:15:42.600 --> 02:15:48.439 Dark Matches, Dark Elevation Matches before Hanging for the Kinnabite. Yeah, 2649 02:15:48.479 --> 02:15:53.920 and then the Hangman Hangman pop. Other than that, the 2650 02:15:54.159 --> 02:15:57.439 United Center announcement probably was the biggest pop to night. 2651 02:15:57.479 --> 02:15:59.840 I would say, wow, Dan punk chance there. 2652 02:15:59.680 --> 02:16:00.880 But that wow. 2653 02:16:01.039 --> 02:16:03.640 Just saying United Center is basically saying seampunk because they're 2654 02:16:03.640 --> 02:16:04.960 not going to book that building otherwise. 2655 02:16:05.560 --> 02:16:09.439 Oh yeah, the last week and a half of the news. 2656 02:16:09.439 --> 02:16:11.840 That's absolutely absolutely enough. 2657 02:16:12.159 --> 02:16:13.880 Jake, before you run any anything you want to say 2658 02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:15.800 from what happened before after Dynamite. I don't know how 2659 02:16:15.840 --> 02:16:18.279 long you stuck around after Dynamite, but any kind of 2660 02:16:18.800 --> 02:16:20.960 quote spoilers for if such, there's such a thing for 2661 02:16:21.039 --> 02:16:23.159 dark anything jump out from that stuff. 2662 02:16:25.199 --> 02:16:25.840 Yeah, fair enough. 2663 02:16:25.880 --> 02:16:29.439 So Tony Kahn came out right like twenty minutes before 2664 02:16:29.479 --> 02:16:33.639 Dynamite started and said that he gave like a fight 2665 02:16:33.719 --> 02:16:36.360 for the fall and kind of steel, and said that 2666 02:16:36.399 --> 02:16:38.399 he was going to donate one hundred thousand dollars for 2667 02:16:38.639 --> 02:16:42.680 a local organization in Charlotte and gave a very heart 2668 02:16:42.719 --> 02:16:48.319 felt message to a domestic balance abuse victims, and then 2669 02:16:48.479 --> 02:16:52.239 said that he's gonna add John Mots to the cards 2670 02:16:53.280 --> 02:16:55.799 and it was gonna, Yeah, it was gonna have a 2671 02:16:55.959 --> 02:16:59.799 John motsip here. Unfortunately, I lived like two and a 2672 02:16:59.799 --> 02:17:01.959 half hour drive away, so I had to get going 2673 02:17:02.079 --> 02:17:05.239 like highly ten ten minutes after it was a it 2674 02:17:05.280 --> 02:17:07.440 was done, but uh, but it sounded like it was gonna 2675 02:17:07.399 --> 02:17:11.200 be a solid dark card. It was there, Yeah, promoted 2676 02:17:11.200 --> 02:17:13.600 as their hundreds dark episode. 2677 02:17:14.639 --> 02:17:16.479 Of the uh of the things? 2678 02:17:17.079 --> 02:17:18.559 How many people were leaving in that first you know, 2679 02:17:18.600 --> 02:17:21.479 ten minute window, like you, So when. 2680 02:17:21.319 --> 02:17:23.440 I left there was there was a good amount of 2681 02:17:23.440 --> 02:17:26.159 people leaving, but a good amount of people in their seats. 2682 02:17:26.200 --> 02:17:29.319 I would say maybe like thirty percent people were leaving. 2683 02:17:29.520 --> 02:17:30.399 I want to say. 2684 02:17:30.399 --> 02:17:33.440 Yeah, but it was. But like I, I was able 2685 02:17:33.479 --> 02:17:35.840 to walk to my car and get out no problem, 2686 02:17:36.239 --> 02:17:38.440 which is a stark contrast to when I got there, 2687 02:17:38.520 --> 02:17:41.479 when I was like backed up to a pretty much 2688 02:17:41.520 --> 02:17:44.479 a mile of traffic and uh it had a like 2689 02:17:44.559 --> 02:17:47.200 waiting line for twenty dirty minutes to park and stuff. 2690 02:17:47.200 --> 02:17:50.239 It was not the not the best, not the best 2691 02:17:50.319 --> 02:17:51.920 need to reach split that way. 2692 02:17:52.399 --> 02:17:54.760 All right, Jacob, thanks so much. Call again, even if 2693 02:17:54.760 --> 02:17:56.079 you don't attend the show. I'd love to talk about 2694 02:17:56.120 --> 02:17:56.879 Donna in the future. 2695 02:17:57.559 --> 02:17:58.239 Absolutely both do. 2696 02:17:58.399 --> 02:17:58.879 Thank you much. 2697 02:17:58.959 --> 02:18:02.360 Sounds good, Thanks Greg. It's great hearing from hearing from 2698 02:18:02.360 --> 02:18:04.399 new people with crowds back and a lot of buzz 2699 02:18:04.399 --> 02:18:06.920 and excitement about at old you right now. It's nice 2700 02:18:06.920 --> 02:18:12.079 hearing from some some first time or infrequent callers. All right, Uh, 2701 02:18:12.319 --> 02:18:14.559 let's uh right right before have you here? We got 2702 02:18:14.680 --> 02:18:17.040 a skype call. I believe if you hear a tone 2703 02:18:17.079 --> 02:18:18.200 that's you go at state your name and where a 2704 02:18:18.200 --> 02:18:23.799 you're calling from. Hey, hey, Creig, thanks for calling. Yeah, 2705 02:18:23.879 --> 02:18:27.159 thanks for holding. We're going long here, but an exciting night. 2706 02:18:27.479 --> 02:18:28.799 What do you think of dynamite tonight? 2707 02:18:29.719 --> 02:18:32.200 I'll make it very quick. Sure, I got another one. 2708 02:18:32.239 --> 02:18:33.319 That's the macro question. 2709 02:18:33.639 --> 02:18:36.799 I'll just say for the wig Keller outline. 2710 02:18:37.920 --> 02:18:42.559 The they had three new songs play tonight. 2711 02:18:43.680 --> 02:18:44.440 Uh. 2712 02:18:44.520 --> 02:18:46.079 They had the space Jam song. 2713 02:18:46.680 --> 02:18:47.520 They had the. 2714 02:18:47.399 --> 02:18:53.440 Uh damn it. I had this already in my head. 2715 02:18:54.200 --> 02:18:58.840 They had the uh, they had the uh, but the 2716 02:18:58.920 --> 02:18:59.799 nick Gage song. 2717 02:19:00.120 --> 02:19:00.719 Oh oh. 2718 02:19:00.920 --> 02:19:04.799 Also they had the well there was another one. I 2719 02:19:04.799 --> 02:19:07.559 can't remember it, but there were. They had two new 2720 02:19:07.639 --> 02:19:11.680 songs and then the nick Gage songs. They introduced tonight, 2721 02:19:12.040 --> 02:19:17.280 which wasn't for whom the belt Holes, like Rich predicted, 2722 02:19:17.440 --> 02:19:23.680 might happen on everything. I'm wondering if since they had 2723 02:19:23.799 --> 02:19:31.360 like something that mirrored or sounded kind of like for 2724 02:19:31.440 --> 02:19:34.760 whom the belt Holes, if they have plans for him 2725 02:19:35.000 --> 02:19:37.760 in the future on a w and I'll hang up 2726 02:19:37.799 --> 02:19:41.200 and listen and let Greg get to bed, because you know, 2727 02:19:43.120 --> 02:19:44.120 you guys got things to do. 2728 02:19:44.440 --> 02:19:46.879 Yeah, all right, all right, thanks Greg? Yeah, Greg, your 2729 02:19:46.879 --> 02:19:48.920 thoughts on on Craig's music question. 2730 02:19:50.159 --> 02:19:52.559 Well, Tony Kahn seems to be a big music fan, 2731 02:19:52.840 --> 02:19:56.040 and he doesn't seem to mind doling out money for right, 2732 02:19:56.239 --> 02:20:00.360 so I'm sure it costs a lot more or to 2733 02:20:00.600 --> 02:20:03.719 buy music to use in perpetuity than it does to 2734 02:20:03.959 --> 02:20:06.920 buy a song to play once. So you know, he 2735 02:20:07.000 --> 02:20:09.680 may just have wanted that for this episode of Dynamite 2736 02:20:09.719 --> 02:20:11.639 and paid a little bit or whatever it takes to 2737 02:20:11.680 --> 02:20:14.959 rent it. I don't know all the mechanics of buying 2738 02:20:15.319 --> 02:20:17.840 songs to use, or buying the rights to music to use, 2739 02:20:17.959 --> 02:20:21.200 or anything like that, but I don't think to me 2740 02:20:21.520 --> 02:20:25.479 that signals one way or the other. Nick Age's future 2741 02:20:25.479 --> 02:20:26.399 in aw. 2742 02:20:27.920 --> 02:20:30.479 All right, in the interest of Oh, Craig, did you 2743 02:20:30.520 --> 02:20:32.280 want to follow it? Or I couldn't tell? 2744 02:20:33.239 --> 02:20:33.600 I'm good? 2745 02:20:33.639 --> 02:20:37.239 All right, cool, cool, Thanks Greg? Thanks yes everyone. 2746 02:20:37.280 --> 02:20:37.319 Go. 2747 02:20:37.399 --> 02:20:42.079 Vip iPhone users. If you're listening to us on the 2748 02:20:42.120 --> 02:20:45.479 Native podcast app on your iPhone, you can unlock our 2749 02:20:45.520 --> 02:20:49.559 commercial free versions of our free shows by searching PW 2750 02:20:49.639 --> 02:20:52.559 Torch in Apple Podcasts. You'll see a charcoal grade logo 2751 02:20:52.600 --> 02:20:54.879 that says PW Torch vip on it. 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Enjoy a streamline 2759 02:21:15.280 --> 02:21:18.319 listening experience to our free shows and unlock all the 2760 02:21:18.399 --> 02:21:21.120 VIP exclusives, including our post pay per view roundtables, the 2761 02:21:21.120 --> 02:21:24.120 wad Keller news bulletins, Everything with Rich and Wade, The 2762 02:21:24.159 --> 02:21:26.840 Fix that I host with Todd Martin, and a variety 2763 02:21:26.840 --> 02:21:30.000 of other VIP exclusives. Just search pw Torch in your 2764 02:21:30.040 --> 02:21:38.120 Apple podcast app. All right, cool, I'm gonna try Jay 2765 02:21:38.120 --> 02:21:39.479 one more time. Here, see if you woke up, because 2766 02:21:39.479 --> 02:21:43.520 I'm just curious. You know, he holds for over two hours. Jay, 2767 02:21:43.520 --> 02:21:45.120 you're there, all right? 2768 02:21:45.239 --> 02:21:47.079 Your battery here read? 2769 02:21:47.200 --> 02:21:49.520 Oh okay, I's going to say your batteries lasting quite 2770 02:21:49.520 --> 02:21:51.559 a long time. Well, I'm glad I tried again, because 2771 02:21:51.600 --> 02:21:54.000 my gosh, if you've held on a long time. By 2772 02:21:54.000 --> 02:21:56.879 the way, Javier, you are next, nobody else call in, 2773 02:21:57.000 --> 02:21:59.479 We've gone long enough? Go ahead, Jay, would you think 2774 02:21:59.479 --> 02:21:59.920 of dynamite? 2775 02:22:00.079 --> 02:22:00.319 So that? 2776 02:22:02.479 --> 02:22:04.719 Oh man, thanks trying to get sorry mister the first time. 2777 02:22:04.799 --> 02:22:08.920 So yeah, I'll make it quick. Uh something that that 2778 02:22:08.959 --> 02:22:13.200 I don't think we touched on tonight Justin Roberts right, So, 2779 02:22:13.799 --> 02:22:16.079 I mean I enjoyed the show, and I enjoyed Justin 2780 02:22:16.159 --> 02:22:23.280 Roberts most of the time, but his his ring announcements 2781 02:22:23.319 --> 02:22:25.959 sometimes and it caught my extension. First with Lance Archer, 2782 02:22:26.719 --> 02:22:32.520 uh he announced you know, uh where he's from, and 2783 02:22:32.639 --> 02:22:35.879 his his uh, you know, his weight, and then he's 2784 02:22:35.920 --> 02:22:39.079 like and he's the i w g P United States 2785 02:22:39.200 --> 02:22:43.760 Heavyweight and the raining defending, and it just it felt 2786 02:22:43.760 --> 02:22:45.319 like it was going and then of course murder Hawk 2787 02:22:45.479 --> 02:22:47.600 it was going on, and I'm thinking why this ring 2788 02:22:47.600 --> 02:22:54.879 announcement seemed so long to me? And so and he 2789 02:22:54.879 --> 02:22:56.799 should have a nickname, right, you know. It was a 2790 02:22:56.879 --> 02:22:59.840 championship match, but just having the whole raining and the 2791 02:23:00.120 --> 02:23:02.239 mean thing, it just felt like maybe you save that 2792 02:23:02.280 --> 02:23:04.639 for special title matches or for big main events. It 2793 02:23:04.760 --> 02:23:07.239 just felt a bit weird, and so it had me 2794 02:23:07.319 --> 02:23:12.360 wondering about Justin Roberts style overall, and you know he 2795 02:23:12.440 --> 02:23:15.719 does hold John and Moxley and just the way, you know, 2796 02:23:16.520 --> 02:23:21.360 is it just that he works with certain superstars and 2797 02:23:21.399 --> 02:23:25.319 they come up with things. I know, the guys in 2798 02:23:25.360 --> 02:23:29.479 AW seem to have more freedom or maybe more input 2799 02:23:29.959 --> 02:23:34.079 I guess into too their their character development and storylines. 2800 02:23:34.120 --> 02:23:38.159 But is there or do we know if Tony Kahan 2801 02:23:38.280 --> 02:23:41.639 has some some input into how Justin Roberts, you know, 2802 02:23:42.079 --> 02:23:47.239 announced these superstars. Sometimes it can just be a bit much. 2803 02:23:47.399 --> 02:23:51.680 It's kind of what I'm getting at. And it jumped 2804 02:23:51.680 --> 02:23:56.799 out to me with Land Archer, and then when we 2805 02:23:56.840 --> 02:24:01.360 got to the Jericho Nick Gags match with Jericho, he 2806 02:24:01.440 --> 02:24:07.760 had like three like nicknames. He's the Japanese Terror or something, 2807 02:24:07.959 --> 02:24:10.399 and then something else and then the Painmaker and then 2808 02:24:10.559 --> 02:24:14.799 and I'm like, what is going on? And you guys 2809 02:24:14.799 --> 02:24:16.239 touched a little bit on we don't know what the 2810 02:24:16.280 --> 02:24:19.920 future of Nick Gage is. But tying into what I'm 2811 02:24:19.959 --> 02:24:23.079 saying about the ring announcing, he said that may have 2812 02:24:23.079 --> 02:24:26.239 been the longest one, the introduction for Nick Gauge. And 2813 02:24:26.879 --> 02:24:29.360 I'm not familiar with him. I know the name, but 2814 02:24:29.520 --> 02:24:32.920 I've never seen a Nick Gage match before tonight, and 2815 02:24:33.440 --> 02:24:37.120 they his introduction was. It made him seem like a 2816 02:24:37.120 --> 02:24:40.360 big deal the way Justin Roberts talked about is this 2817 02:24:40.479 --> 02:24:42.360 and that, this and that King of the death Match. 2818 02:24:42.680 --> 02:24:48.200 And then immediately after Justin Roberts like got Gauge out 2819 02:24:48.200 --> 02:24:51.840 of his mouth, mgf's music came on and they didn't 2820 02:24:51.879 --> 02:24:54.120 give and I'm like, well, there goes that they're not 2821 02:24:54.120 --> 02:24:57.239 doing anything with this guy. They didn't do. I didn't 2822 02:24:57.239 --> 02:24:59.799 get a chance to to you know, to let that 2823 02:25:00.040 --> 02:25:01.799 okain and go okay, so this is an e Gauge 2824 02:25:02.200 --> 02:25:04.719 Like Jessin Robers talked him up and then it was like, okay, 2825 02:25:04.719 --> 02:25:06.719 but he doesn't really need anything here comes in jail. 2826 02:25:06.760 --> 02:25:10.079 I felt like the MJS introduction should have been prior 2827 02:25:10.239 --> 02:25:12.559 to both Zercle and Mick Gauge. You know, okay, he'sa 2828 02:25:12.639 --> 02:25:14.639 for commentary. Now let's get the stars out here. So 2829 02:25:14.959 --> 02:25:17.920 I took that to me they're not doing much much 2830 02:25:17.959 --> 02:25:20.040 with Nick Gage. He's just here for tonight. 2831 02:25:20.120 --> 02:25:22.559 So j J, you know, Jay, what'd you think of 2832 02:25:22.799 --> 02:25:24.600 what you think of Neck Gauge? I mean, like not, 2833 02:25:25.280 --> 02:25:27.440 you know, not having seen him before, did he impress 2834 02:25:27.479 --> 02:25:29.559 you should ably sign him? Did it seem like, you know, 2835 02:25:29.559 --> 02:25:31.840 I'll stick to the niche indie scene where you know, 2836 02:25:31.840 --> 02:25:34.200 you have that audience that just is all into what 2837 02:25:34.239 --> 02:25:34.639 you're doing. 2838 02:25:35.840 --> 02:25:38.680 Yeah, I hope this doesn't come across it, but I 2839 02:25:39.319 --> 02:25:42.239 go with the ladder stick to the niche indie scene. Yeah, 2840 02:25:42.959 --> 02:25:46.239 you know, bring him in now and then. It was 2841 02:25:46.280 --> 02:25:48.639 a good match, but it was a bit much at times. 2842 02:25:48.920 --> 02:25:51.959 You know, it's not something i'd look to see. I'd 2843 02:25:52.040 --> 02:25:55.319 care to see, you know, weekly or even monthly or 2844 02:25:55.319 --> 02:25:58.799 what have you. And I don't know, And I think 2845 02:25:58.840 --> 02:26:00.920 maybe Greg spoke to it. I don't know that he 2846 02:26:01.920 --> 02:26:03.920 I don't know his skill level outside of it. Yeah, 2847 02:26:04.159 --> 02:26:06.760 you know, he doesn't come across as being able to 2848 02:26:07.120 --> 02:26:09.399 do a lot more So, what do you do with. 2849 02:26:09.399 --> 02:26:09.879 A guy like that? 2850 02:26:09.920 --> 02:26:13.520 You can't do that match every night? So yeah, I think, 2851 02:26:13.760 --> 02:26:16.280 you know, maybe an apparance now and then or something. 2852 02:26:16.360 --> 02:26:22.479 But yeah, so Greg, my question to you is, do 2853 02:26:22.520 --> 02:26:24.760 you think Nick Gage fans are going to be disappointed 2854 02:26:24.760 --> 02:26:27.639 that he sold out to mainbeter ECW wrestlers. You know 2855 02:26:27.680 --> 02:26:30.719 what chance you sold out? Did he sell out by 2856 02:26:30.959 --> 02:26:33.239 going under the bright lights in Charlotte and doing a 2857 02:26:33.360 --> 02:26:35.520 job to Chris Jericho? Yes, he kicked out at three 2858 02:26:35.559 --> 02:26:38.399 point two and got to get a bunch of hardcore 2859 02:26:38.440 --> 02:26:40.719 stuff in and Jericho, you know, brought the Painmaker, and 2860 02:26:40.840 --> 02:26:43.000 Jericho's a legend. So it's not like you did a 2861 02:26:43.120 --> 02:26:46.600 job to like, you know, Baron Corbin or something. But nevertheless, 2862 02:26:46.920 --> 02:26:48.680 does this hurt his brand or does does this just 2863 02:26:48.680 --> 02:26:50.520 make him more of a start because he brought his 2864 02:26:50.520 --> 02:26:53.719 his brand in flavor of hardcore to a huge audience 2865 02:26:53.760 --> 02:26:56.000 of a you know, probably one point one point four 2866 02:26:56.040 --> 02:26:59.360 million people once this show has played itself out over 2867 02:26:59.399 --> 02:27:01.639 seven days on table alone, not to mention social media 2868 02:27:01.680 --> 02:27:02.799 and YouTube. 2869 02:27:04.399 --> 02:27:07.879 I think the people who like and are really invested 2870 02:27:07.879 --> 02:27:11.159 in Nick Gage see this is an opportunity for him. 2871 02:27:10.600 --> 02:27:13.159 I don't see a lot of the people who like 2872 02:27:13.239 --> 02:27:17.399 him seeing this as selling out. I think that they 2873 02:27:18.200 --> 02:27:21.840 genuinely care about as strange as this sounds, they genuinely 2874 02:27:21.920 --> 02:27:23.760 care about Nick Gauge as a human being and like 2875 02:27:23.840 --> 02:27:28.239 that he's gotten this opportunity to break through. They'll cheer 2876 02:27:28.360 --> 02:27:33.680 him on the indies, but they also want success for him, 2877 02:27:34.159 --> 02:27:37.680 whatever that looks like in professional wrestling. And you know, 2878 02:27:37.719 --> 02:27:40.479 it's hard not to call what we saw tonight a 2879 02:27:40.559 --> 02:27:44.520 success for Nick Gage, given what he's overcome and given 2880 02:27:44.559 --> 02:27:48.639 the obstacles that he's gone through in both his life 2881 02:27:48.680 --> 02:27:52.239 and is in professional wrestling. So no, I don't sense 2882 02:27:52.319 --> 02:27:55.360 that feeling, you know, in the last week since this 2883 02:27:55.399 --> 02:27:58.200 announcement was made, and even in the aftermath tonight, I 2884 02:27:58.200 --> 02:28:02.360 don't get the sense that anyone is really holding a grudge. 2885 02:28:02.600 --> 02:28:07.959 I think that thinking of selling out I think that's 2886 02:28:08.239 --> 02:28:12.680 largely gone by the wayside in professional wrestling, especially on 2887 02:28:12.719 --> 02:28:13.239 the indies. 2888 02:28:14.520 --> 02:28:16.120 Jay, anything else you want to add before him about 2889 02:28:17.159 --> 02:28:18.680 ill you don't have to really. 2890 02:28:20.079 --> 02:28:22.440 Going to detail. Was about to say, I'm excited about 2891 02:28:22.440 --> 02:28:26.440 the punk Brian rumors, you know, and I've never purchased 2892 02:28:26.479 --> 02:28:28.319 an ew pay per view, but if they were to 2893 02:28:28.360 --> 02:28:31.000 tell me that Brian's going to be wrestling on one day, 2894 02:28:31.000 --> 02:28:33.520 to have my money right away. So I'll leave it 2895 02:28:33.520 --> 02:28:34.360 at that. Cool. 2896 02:28:34.799 --> 02:28:36.239 Thanks Jay, thanks for listening and calling. 2897 02:28:36.360 --> 02:28:37.319 Thanks for taking my call. 2898 02:28:37.520 --> 02:28:37.920 You bet. 2899 02:28:38.079 --> 02:28:40.120 How are you guys? 2900 02:28:42.719 --> 02:28:45.719 Searching for more great pro wrestling talk? Then join me. 2901 02:28:45.879 --> 02:28:49.559 Jason Powell host them the three weekly Pro Wrestling Boom podcast. 2902 02:28:49.799 --> 02:28:52.000 Each week you'll hear the latest news and analysis for 2903 02:28:52.159 --> 02:28:54.200 me and my team at Pro Wrestling Dott Need, along 2904 02:28:54.239 --> 02:28:57.159 with other pro wrestling media members, plus the Pro Wrestling 2905 02:28:57.200 --> 02:29:00.559 Boom podcast features long form interviews with no names in 2906 02:29:00.559 --> 02:29:04.280 the pro wrestling industry. Subscribe and iTunes, Stitcher, Downcast, and 2907 02:29:04.319 --> 02:29:07.479 all your favorite secondary apps, or visit us directly at 2908 02:29:07.479 --> 02:29:19.799 PW boom dot com. Once again, that's PW boom dot com. 2909 02:29:19.840 --> 02:29:21.799 All right, so we've run a long We'll just cut 2910 02:29:21.840 --> 02:29:24.360 off the show there. Sorry to know, I'm kidding. I 2911 02:29:24.360 --> 02:29:27.120 just wanted hoviers Hard to skip a beat. Appeal your 2912 02:29:27.120 --> 02:29:31.319 Torch VP podcaster, your Torch contributor, Javier here to back 2913 02:29:31.360 --> 02:29:33.840 clean up. I guess although the bases might be clear 2914 02:29:33.879 --> 02:29:36.959 and the fans might have left, Avier, what have you 2915 02:29:37.000 --> 02:29:38.600 got for us? How are you doing? 2916 02:29:40.280 --> 02:29:43.520 How am I doing? After that Monday? 2917 02:29:43.600 --> 02:29:47.799 Yes, nothing is beautiful and nothing is beautiful and everything 2918 02:29:47.840 --> 02:29:49.159 tastes like ash. 2919 02:29:49.200 --> 02:29:52.600 So, by the way, you missed an opportunity. I don't 2920 02:29:52.600 --> 02:29:54.280 want you to feel bad, but you could have snored 2921 02:29:54.559 --> 02:29:57.280 and it would have been a perfect punchline. 2922 02:29:58.520 --> 02:30:00.520 You know what, with all long this has gone, I 2923 02:30:00.520 --> 02:30:04.479 would have probably just were probably been better, just you know, like, Okay, well, 2924 02:30:04.520 --> 02:30:05.000 I guess what's it? 2925 02:30:05.280 --> 02:30:07.760 Yeah? No, this is I mean, I'm having a good time. 2926 02:30:07.840 --> 02:30:09.040 I'm I'm enjoying talking about this. 2927 02:30:09.040 --> 02:30:09.200 Show. 2928 02:30:09.239 --> 02:30:11.319 There's so much every it's like crazy, like this last 2929 02:30:11.399 --> 02:30:13.840 like forty minutes, we brought up stuff we wouldn't have 2930 02:30:13.840 --> 02:30:15.840 gotten to if we didn't go along. It's just one 2931 02:30:15.840 --> 02:30:17.520 of those shows, and it's an exciting time with so 2932 02:30:17.559 --> 02:30:19.319 many people at the show and in the building who 2933 02:30:19.319 --> 02:30:22.440 are calling us. So yeah, I mean, I'm fine, but 2934 02:30:22.520 --> 02:30:24.399 I feel you know, I feel bad for people who 2935 02:30:24.399 --> 02:30:26.639 are sitting on hold and for a super long time. 2936 02:30:27.719 --> 02:30:30.079 Well, and I'm amazed that nobodys brought up the best 2937 02:30:30.120 --> 02:30:30.639 line of the night. 2938 02:30:32.040 --> 02:30:33.200 Only two things motivate me. 2939 02:30:33.879 --> 02:30:36.239 Only two things motivate me in my life, eventful God 2940 02:30:36.280 --> 02:30:37.399 and wife. 2941 02:30:37.799 --> 02:30:40.879 Yes, although I think the only reason maybe that wasn't 2942 02:30:40.920 --> 02:30:43.520 is he said something super similar to that, like, you know, 2943 02:30:43.719 --> 02:30:46.399 two three weeks ago, So I popped for it then 2944 02:30:46.440 --> 02:30:49.600 and this felt slightly recycled, but it's it's mirror. Mirror 2945 02:30:49.719 --> 02:30:50.520 is wonderful right now. 2946 02:30:52.159 --> 02:30:54.680 It was the addition to vengeful to vengeful God. 2947 02:30:55.559 --> 02:30:58.680 Yeah, yeah, that was the that was what that was 2948 02:30:58.680 --> 02:31:00.200 what popped. That's what what what. 2949 02:31:00.159 --> 02:31:06.920 Got me to pause. Oh gotcha, okay, but yeah. 2950 02:31:05.239 --> 02:31:08.239 You know, you know, because the other part was coming. 2951 02:31:08.280 --> 02:31:11.159 But yeah, yeah, but yeah, the. 2952 02:31:12.520 --> 02:31:17.360 I mean, I actually went and uh watched the gw 2953 02:31:17.520 --> 02:31:21.639 C main event with Nick Cage, Uh, Nick Gage versus 2954 02:31:22.639 --> 02:31:24.920 Mat Cardona, just to see what, you know, because I 2955 02:31:25.399 --> 02:31:27.239 also had no experience with him, so I wanted to 2956 02:31:27.239 --> 02:31:28.319 see what was going to happen. 2957 02:31:28.680 --> 02:31:29.639 That crowd was nuts. 2958 02:31:30.040 --> 02:31:33.959 Uh was amazing. 2959 02:31:34.159 --> 02:31:36.200 Did you. I mean there's like videos out there of 2960 02:31:36.600 --> 02:31:41.040 like fans being interviewed by fan cams afterwards, and my god, 2961 02:31:41.159 --> 02:31:44.559 they worked up. I if I'm Matt Cardona, I get 2962 02:31:44.600 --> 02:31:46.000 out of that building quick. 2963 02:31:47.239 --> 02:31:50.639 Oh yeah, yeah, so and that was big. It was 2964 02:31:51.200 --> 02:31:54.200 so to answer a jay, the introduction that he got 2965 02:31:54.280 --> 02:31:55.959 was very similar to the introduction that they you know, 2966 02:31:56.040 --> 02:31:58.319 gave him at uh you know, when they introduced them 2967 02:31:58.319 --> 02:31:58.799 to the main event. 2968 02:31:58.840 --> 02:32:00.600 So I think that might be kind of a kind 2969 02:32:00.639 --> 02:32:00.760 of thing. 2970 02:32:00.959 --> 02:32:02.719 Oh and I forgot to mention that too. Howeer I'm 2971 02:32:02.719 --> 02:32:05.399 glad he brought I'm glad you brought Justin Roberts up 2972 02:32:05.399 --> 02:32:07.719 again because he wrote about that, and he wrote about 2973 02:32:07.719 --> 02:32:09.079 this in his book and I've interviewed him on the 2974 02:32:09.079 --> 02:32:11.879 show about it. He I mean, he really likes to 2975 02:32:11.959 --> 02:32:17.000 put you know, his signature on ring announcements and if 2976 02:32:17.040 --> 02:32:20.159 guys are okay with it, and the promoter's okay with it. 2977 02:32:20.520 --> 02:32:23.600 He really likes to do that. WWE Triple H especially 2978 02:32:23.680 --> 02:32:26.680 ridiculed him for it, and they want their ring announcers 2979 02:32:26.719 --> 02:32:31.040 to be professional, let and distinct, but not make themselves 2980 02:32:31.360 --> 02:32:35.440 part of the show, and Justin makes himself part of 2981 02:32:35.479 --> 02:32:38.959 the show. He is distinctive. But other ring announcers over 2982 02:32:39.000 --> 02:32:41.799 the decades have been you know, I mean, I don't 2983 02:32:41.840 --> 02:32:44.079 know if Howard Finkel went as far as Justin did, 2984 02:32:44.280 --> 02:32:48.000 but there have been you know, Gary Michael Capetta, did 2985 02:32:48.000 --> 02:32:49.920 you know, I mean he really I mean, Justin probably 2986 02:32:49.959 --> 02:32:51.399 is taking it to a new level. But that's what 2987 02:32:51.479 --> 02:32:53.840 he does. That's what aw hired, and if Tony wants 2988 02:32:53.920 --> 02:32:56.239 him to tone down, he can ask him to do 2989 02:32:56.360 --> 02:32:58.920 so and probably be more classic and polite than Triple 2990 02:32:59.040 --> 02:33:00.760 H was because Triple H just you know, it's kind 2991 02:33:00.760 --> 02:33:03.520 of the likes to ridicule people and thinks it's funny, 2992 02:33:03.520 --> 02:33:05.799 but it you know, people leave the room not feeling 2993 02:33:05.799 --> 02:33:07.959 better about themselves the way he has treated people over 2994 02:33:07.959 --> 02:33:11.399 the years when it you know, when people like Justin especially, 2995 02:33:11.440 --> 02:33:13.399 and he wrote about that in his book. So my 2996 02:33:13.520 --> 02:33:16.840 take on it is, I'm fine either way. You know, 2997 02:33:16.879 --> 02:33:22.879 I'm fine with a more more basic, streamlined professional ring announcing, 2998 02:33:22.959 --> 02:33:26.920 and I'm fine with adding some personality. Yeah, like he 2999 02:33:26.959 --> 02:33:28.719 did with Sena and he does it with Moxley. I've 3000 02:33:28.719 --> 02:33:30.159 found with that too. I think it's cooling. If Tony 3001 02:33:30.200 --> 02:33:31.639 wants that as part of the flavor of his show, 3002 02:33:31.680 --> 02:33:35.280 then Justin is fulfilling it. But if it air, you know, 3003 02:33:35.280 --> 02:33:37.280 if Tony finds out it irritates people, it's easy. You know, 3004 02:33:37.760 --> 02:33:40.239 Justin can tone it down, you know, thirty percent and 3005 02:33:41.200 --> 02:33:42.280 it's not going to hurt the show. 3006 02:33:43.479 --> 02:33:45.280 I think this is one of these things way that 3007 02:33:45.559 --> 02:33:49.280 sort of we're some fans are indoctrinated with the way 3008 02:33:49.360 --> 02:33:52.520 WWE has done thing done things because they're the only 3009 02:33:52.520 --> 02:33:55.600 game in town for the last twenty years, you know, 3010 02:33:55.680 --> 02:33:58.120 and ring announcers have always been in the background, sort 3011 02:33:58.120 --> 02:34:03.040 of like referees. So I think, you know, if you 3012 02:34:03.079 --> 02:34:05.120 ever watch boxing or even m m A, I mean 3013 02:34:05.159 --> 02:34:10.479 that the announcers are very famous Michael Buffer, Yeah, Jimmy 3014 02:34:10.559 --> 02:34:14.559 Lennon and guys like that. So and those are announcers 3015 02:34:15.079 --> 02:34:18.959 announcements for some of those boxers that go forever and hey. 3016 02:34:19.319 --> 02:34:23.079 Greg basketball PA announcers very much have a chance during 3017 02:34:23.120 --> 02:34:26.000 the stuff that Kenny and the Bucks. We're mocking tonight 3018 02:34:26.200 --> 02:34:31.079 or attributing to whatever the NBA does, very very justin 3019 02:34:31.120 --> 02:34:32.319 Roberts like interest. 3020 02:34:32.600 --> 02:34:34.280 Absolutely, So. I think this is just one of those 3021 02:34:34.319 --> 02:34:39.079 things where, you know, some fans just see how WWE 3022 02:34:39.120 --> 02:34:41.799 does things, and when it's not that way, it's like 3023 02:34:42.360 --> 02:34:44.120 a shock to the system and it's sometimes hard to 3024 02:34:44.200 --> 02:34:45.079 wrap our heads around. 3025 02:34:45.239 --> 02:34:49.520 Yeah, yep, you know that last segment you're just listening 3026 02:34:49.520 --> 02:34:51.680 to and the next one that you're waiting to listen to, 3027 02:34:51.840 --> 02:34:54.520 those can be one second apart. With a VP membership, 3028 02:34:54.520 --> 02:34:57.079 you can unlock our commercial free versions of our shows. 3029 02:34:57.120 --> 02:35:00.200 Pw torch dot com slash go vip tells you how 3030 02:35:00.200 --> 02:35:02.920 to do it. That's pw torch dot com slash Go 3031 02:35:03.079 --> 02:35:07.040 VIP options exist within the Apple podcast app using your 3032 02:35:07.040 --> 02:35:09.319 Apple account through Patreon, which, by the way, you can 3033 02:35:09.319 --> 02:35:12.040 sync up with Spotify or just about any iOS or 3034 02:35:12.079 --> 02:35:15.479 Android app. With a full VIP membership, you can customize 3035 02:35:15.479 --> 02:35:18.799 the feed for individual shows and clusters of shows and themes. 3036 02:35:19.040 --> 02:35:21.920 Go to pw torch dot com slash go vip for 3037 02:35:21.959 --> 02:35:24.639 full details on all the options to listen commercial free 3038 02:35:24.959 --> 02:35:29.079 and with upper tier options unlock our VIP exclusive podcasts 3039 02:35:29.239 --> 02:35:37.280 run throughout the week every week. H right, Howber yeah 3040 02:35:37.280 --> 02:35:37.520 back too. 3041 02:35:38.680 --> 02:35:39.159 Yeah. 3042 02:35:39.200 --> 02:35:42.840 So after watching the two matches, it's not my style. 3043 02:35:43.159 --> 02:35:46.079 I mean, I really like bloody matches, but I like 3044 02:35:46.159 --> 02:35:49.600 it when the wrestling moves lead to the blood letting 3045 02:35:49.600 --> 02:35:51.719 as opposed to the blood letting being the wrestling moves. 3046 02:35:52.040 --> 02:35:57.639 Yeah, you know what I mean, that's my category too. Yeah. 3047 02:35:57.760 --> 02:36:02.159 Yeah, so I'm fine watching it like once a decade. 3048 02:36:02.239 --> 02:36:07.959 But but but yeah, so it was But in terms 3049 02:36:07.959 --> 02:36:11.520 of like what it meant for Jericho going through that, that. 3050 02:36:11.600 --> 02:36:14.399 Was a good I liked it for that reason, for 3051 02:36:14.440 --> 02:36:15.280 the overall. 3052 02:36:14.959 --> 02:36:16.680 Story they're telling with the five Labors of Jericho. 3053 02:36:16.920 --> 02:36:19.319 Yeah, and with him now going up against Hubin too, 3054 02:36:19.760 --> 02:36:23.159 you know, when him bring out the Painmaker version of 3055 02:36:23.239 --> 02:36:25.719 himself and now next going up against hub and Thune. 3056 02:36:26.399 --> 02:36:29.159 Do you think that this might mean that he comes 3057 02:36:29.159 --> 02:36:32.479 out as the Lionheart and this be like you know, 3058 02:36:32.520 --> 02:36:35.479 and the rest of the labors be like a different, 3059 02:36:35.959 --> 02:36:37.000 different era of Jericho. 3060 02:36:37.879 --> 02:36:40.159 I'd be cool if they do that. I mean, I 3061 02:36:40.200 --> 02:36:43.280 like that idea. Greg, what do you think that. 3062 02:36:43.239 --> 02:36:45.959 Would be interesting? And I think that would fuel a 3063 02:36:45.959 --> 02:36:49.159 lot of retirement rumors for Jericho if they're not already 3064 02:36:49.200 --> 02:36:52.680 out there going through these five labors and eventually, you know, 3065 02:36:53.079 --> 02:36:57.159 perhaps losing d M JFF and the finale. I don't 3066 02:36:57.200 --> 02:37:01.760 know what retirement looks like for Chris Jericho, but you 3067 02:37:01.799 --> 02:37:04.680 know a lot of people are saying he slowed down 3068 02:37:04.719 --> 02:37:07.159 a bit in the ring with aw being sort of 3069 02:37:07.159 --> 02:37:11.040 premium on entering work and things like that. You wonder 3070 02:37:11.319 --> 02:37:13.959 how much longer he wants to run a full time schedule. 3071 02:37:14.200 --> 02:37:19.479 Everything else he's going got going on professional length for him. 3072 02:37:19.959 --> 02:37:22.719 But that would certainly be a fun capper to his 3073 02:37:22.840 --> 02:37:27.760 career because he has had so many different character changes 3074 02:37:27.959 --> 02:37:30.840 to keep himself relevant over the years, more so than 3075 02:37:30.879 --> 02:37:34.200 perhaps anyone else in an industry where you know, if 3076 02:37:34.239 --> 02:37:39.120 you get a spot, you keep this spot, and you 3077 02:37:39.239 --> 02:37:41.639 keep everything that got you that spot and that character. 3078 02:37:41.799 --> 02:37:43.920 So you know, there might be some of the things 3079 02:37:43.959 --> 02:37:45.600 that he did in WWE that he might not be 3080 02:37:45.639 --> 02:37:47.639 able to do, whether it's you know, the list version 3081 02:37:47.680 --> 02:37:50.479 of Jericho or you know this that he could probably 3082 02:37:50.520 --> 02:37:52.959 do the suit wearing Jericho, that feud with Shawn Michaels, 3083 02:37:52.959 --> 02:37:55.000 because I don't know that you can claim, you know, 3084 02:37:55.879 --> 02:38:00.360 intellectual property on wearing a suit, but that you know 3085 02:38:00.399 --> 02:38:05.639 that that's sort of an interesting thought, Lion Heart Chris 3086 02:38:05.719 --> 02:38:08.600 Jericho would I'm now I'm interested to see that and 3087 02:38:08.719 --> 02:38:11.040 seeing what that would look like in twenty twenty one. 3088 02:38:11.479 --> 02:38:16.520 Yeah, go ahead, ho, youre right, Well, all I have 3089 02:38:16.559 --> 02:38:18.200 to do is hit that one last moon. 3090 02:38:18.040 --> 02:38:27.040 Salt yeah, uh so, uh yeah. And and since it's 3091 02:38:27.079 --> 02:38:29.079 come up like twice and Greg you kind of. 3092 02:38:30.840 --> 02:38:32.840 Talked a little bit about it already, but since it's. 3093 02:38:32.719 --> 02:38:34.920 Come out twice in the both the Labors of Jericho, 3094 02:38:34.920 --> 02:38:38.239 since they've been noticed qualification matches. The point is not 3095 02:38:38.440 --> 02:38:41.200 to for for MGF. If you think about if you 3096 02:38:41.239 --> 02:38:43.120 think from the point of view of the of the villain, 3097 02:38:43.559 --> 02:38:46.399 the point for MGF is not to just get out 3098 02:38:46.440 --> 02:38:48.920 of the match. There's the re that's the reason why 3099 02:38:48.959 --> 02:38:52.239 he has the five Labors of Jericho. It's to stretch 3100 02:38:52.559 --> 02:38:56.319 the pain out as long as possible and then you know, 3101 02:38:56.840 --> 02:38:59.799 snatch it at you know, because because the for for 3102 02:39:00.360 --> 02:39:02.719 m Jeff will get off more like if he snatches 3103 02:39:02.760 --> 02:39:07.799 away his you know, Jericho at the last possible moment, 3104 02:39:07.840 --> 02:39:09.520 give him that last little bit of hope and take 3105 02:39:09.559 --> 02:39:11.799 it away in the fifth match. That's why there's no 3106 02:39:11.840 --> 02:39:14.760 reason for him to interfere is because if Jericho went, 3107 02:39:14.840 --> 02:39:18.000 it's a win win situation for. 3108 02:39:17.120 --> 02:39:17.799 For m j F. 3109 02:39:18.600 --> 02:39:22.920 If if Jericho loses, well, he didn't have to face Jericho. 3110 02:39:22.959 --> 02:39:25.559 If Jericho wins, well he gets torture him one more time. 3111 02:39:26.239 --> 02:39:32.680 So classic movie villain you know, theory on things for 3112 02:39:32.840 --> 02:39:34.600 from the point of view of m j F. And 3113 02:39:34.639 --> 02:39:36.280 it always works in the movie. So I'm sure it'll 3114 02:39:36.280 --> 02:39:37.200 work for m j F two. 3115 02:39:40.719 --> 02:39:45.479 Yeah, and I'm that the the the which that was 3116 02:39:45.479 --> 02:39:51.040 her name, uh Page losing in the uh in the opening, 3117 02:39:51.200 --> 02:39:53.600 that that really like, I have no idea where they're 3118 02:39:53.600 --> 02:39:54.200 gonna go from here. 3119 02:39:54.280 --> 02:39:54.479 Yeah. 3120 02:39:54.920 --> 02:39:58.239 I did go back and watch the promo because I 3121 02:39:58.479 --> 02:39:59.479 also came out with its. 3122 02:40:00.479 --> 02:40:01.040 It was weird. 3123 02:40:01.319 --> 02:40:05.079 It was weird like how uh Omega said it because 3124 02:40:05.079 --> 02:40:07.319 he said, you know, if if you lose, you lose 3125 02:40:07.319 --> 02:40:10.079 your your your your your opportunity to challenge me. So 3126 02:40:10.159 --> 02:40:13.079 I don't know if this was essentially a you know, 3127 02:40:13.120 --> 02:40:16.920 elimination kind of thing where he can't, uh, he can't 3128 02:40:17.000 --> 02:40:20.079 challenge him after all. But because I was thinking that, 3129 02:40:20.159 --> 02:40:22.440 you know, okay, Hangman Page wins, he wins the title 3130 02:40:22.479 --> 02:40:26.000 off Kenny, that's you know, Hangman Page is a crowning 3131 02:40:26.079 --> 02:40:29.639 you know, crowning moment, and then uh, while he fused 3132 02:40:29.680 --> 02:40:33.159 with whoever can challenge from the title, Uh omit excuse me, 3133 02:40:34.200 --> 02:40:38.079 Omega can confude with either Danielle Bryan or Sam Pung 3134 02:40:38.760 --> 02:40:40.799 and that that'd be another big, big story. But like 3135 02:40:40.840 --> 02:40:42.639 one of the callers, you know, and then I kind 3136 02:40:42.639 --> 02:40:46.360 of redunk rethunk that because one of the callers, you know, 3137 02:40:46.399 --> 02:40:50.239 brought up the the you know that that that would 3138 02:40:50.239 --> 02:40:54.920 basically bigfoot the championship. Because if you have a storyline 3139 02:40:54.920 --> 02:41:00.000 where its Hangman Page challenging pretty much anybody versus uh 3140 02:41:00.000 --> 02:41:03.000 Omega and seeing Punk, Omega seeing Punk is gonna be 3141 02:41:03.040 --> 02:41:05.920 your a story and that's gonna, you know, make your 3142 02:41:05.959 --> 02:41:09.159 your title the second story. And and and they're very 3143 02:41:09.360 --> 02:41:11.280 they're careful enough with the with the title that I 3144 02:41:11.280 --> 02:41:12.239 don't think they'd want to do that. 3145 02:41:12.600 --> 02:41:16.360 It would be justice a pivot. It'd be justice for 3146 02:41:16.440 --> 02:41:18.639 Punk to be in non title matches that are big 3147 02:41:18.680 --> 02:41:22.120 footing Hangman Page title run though, give him. That's what 3148 02:41:22.120 --> 02:41:25.239 happened to him during his run. Yeah, it's the Punk 3149 02:41:25.319 --> 02:41:26.000 Revenge Tour. 3150 02:41:26.120 --> 02:41:26.360 Yeah. 3151 02:41:26.440 --> 02:41:28.879 Yeah, I'm gonna make more money than you people do 3152 02:41:28.920 --> 02:41:29.239 all year. 3153 02:41:31.440 --> 02:41:33.920 I mean, so if I'm wrong about it being elimination 3154 02:41:33.959 --> 02:41:35.680 because I mean, again, that's what I felt like. But 3155 02:41:35.799 --> 02:41:38.440 if it's not elimination, and that and the pay. 3156 02:41:38.319 --> 02:41:39.879 Per view ends up being Hangman Page. 3157 02:41:39.920 --> 02:41:42.639 And because you know, if you got both of them, 3158 02:41:42.639 --> 02:41:47.079 then you could have Omega wrestle uh Daniel Bryan and 3159 02:41:47.440 --> 02:41:51.680 you know Punk Wrestle Hangman Page. Uh so you know, 3160 02:41:51.920 --> 02:41:54.079 in a more heelish And that's the thing. It doesn't 3161 02:41:54.120 --> 02:41:56.760 necessarily need to be a heel versus heel or sorry, 3162 02:41:56.799 --> 02:41:59.600 heel versus face. You could have you know, two heels, 3163 02:41:59.600 --> 02:42:01.479 and just the fan are gonna go nuts because. 3164 02:42:01.280 --> 02:42:02.959 They're gonna be this is awesome, both these guys. 3165 02:42:02.959 --> 02:42:06.399 And and I'm sure that seam Punk can you know, 3166 02:42:06.520 --> 02:42:10.440 do stuff too, probably make it, you know, so that 3167 02:42:10.479 --> 02:42:11.920 you want Hangman Page. 3168 02:42:11.600 --> 02:42:13.000 To win more than him. 3169 02:42:13.040 --> 02:42:19.000 So but yeah, it's just it's interesting times that we're 3170 02:42:19.200 --> 02:42:24.799 and and yeah, after what after they announced rampage and 3171 02:42:24.840 --> 02:42:29.040 the carrowd chanting and everything they've said, I'm almost kind 3172 02:42:29.040 --> 02:42:33.879 of half hoping that on the previous rampas will say, uh, 3173 02:42:33.959 --> 02:42:35.559 you know, you know, make sure you come in next 3174 02:42:35.639 --> 02:42:38.680 you know, next week, uh for because we have a 3175 02:42:38.760 --> 02:42:42.840 huge signing. And then the huge signing is a bronze runner. 3176 02:42:47.440 --> 02:42:50.639 They shouldn't. They shouldn't, don't, don't get too cute. Just 3177 02:42:50.920 --> 02:42:52.440 just make money, just print money. 3178 02:42:53.760 --> 02:42:57.719 Yes, yeah, but but seriously, if it's not saying punk 3179 02:42:57.760 --> 02:43:01.440 at this point, I mean, I don't, it's gotta be. 3180 02:43:01.479 --> 02:43:04.200 I mean there, there's there's like no way cannot be 3181 02:43:04.200 --> 02:43:09.639 because you know, they've sign posted it so much and 3182 02:43:10.120 --> 02:43:14.000 you know, so at this point it's and and you're and. 3183 02:43:13.879 --> 02:43:15.959 You're right if they could. 3184 02:43:15.760 --> 02:43:19.239 Just not officially announce it, because I think it's more 3185 02:43:19.319 --> 02:43:22.920 fun and you know, if you just tease it until 3186 02:43:22.959 --> 02:43:25.200 and then let let it, you know, until he appears 3187 02:43:25.200 --> 02:43:28.000 and be the moment that you know that, I think 3188 02:43:28.000 --> 02:43:30.559 that you get more of an emotional reaction from the 3189 02:43:30.600 --> 02:43:33.200 crowd that way, then, you know, if you like the 3190 02:43:33.239 --> 02:43:35.840 week before, unless, like you said, the tickets are you know, 3191 02:43:35.920 --> 02:43:38.239 not there because people are not really one hundred percent 3192 02:43:38.239 --> 02:43:39.680 sure and they're not going to buy their tickets until 3193 02:43:39.680 --> 02:43:42.799 they're a hundredercent sure. But I'm pretty sure there they'll 3194 02:43:43.040 --> 02:43:46.120 you know, I'm pretty sure that that'll be a sold 3195 02:43:46.159 --> 02:43:46.639 out building. 3196 02:43:47.040 --> 02:43:50.159 Yeah, I I don't know if it's going to be 3197 02:43:50.200 --> 02:43:51.680 a sold out building, but I didn't know if fall 3198 02:43:51.680 --> 02:43:53.479 In was going to sell out, and it's sold out, 3199 02:43:53.680 --> 02:43:57.319 and it sold out quickly, So I mean until they underperform, 3200 02:43:58.040 --> 02:44:01.399 you know, but that's a big bill, and you know, 3201 02:44:02.040 --> 02:44:05.120 but obviously they sold their ten thousand seats for all 3202 02:44:05.159 --> 02:44:08.479 In and they've only gotten bigger and Punk's been away 3203 02:44:08.520 --> 02:44:11.319 for a long time. I mean, I would put my 3204 02:44:11.360 --> 02:44:13.479 money on a sellout, but I don't want to take 3205 02:44:13.479 --> 02:44:15.959 away the sense that it would be an achievement by 3206 02:44:15.959 --> 02:44:17.639 acting like if they don't do it, it's a letdown, 3207 02:44:18.399 --> 02:44:20.719 because if they sell you know, thirteen thousand tickets or 3208 02:44:20.760 --> 02:44:25.000 fourteen thousand tickets in Chicago and it's not WWE, I 3209 02:44:25.040 --> 02:44:27.200 don't know. I guess that would be disappointing. It's hard. 3210 02:44:27.200 --> 02:44:30.559 What do you think, Greg, Is it just by definition 3211 02:44:30.639 --> 02:44:32.799 of disappointment if they don't sell out, whether or not 3212 02:44:32.840 --> 02:44:36.319 they announce Punk officially overtly, I. 3213 02:44:36.200 --> 02:44:40.159 Don't think so. I think if they don't sell out, 3214 02:44:40.159 --> 02:44:43.319 they'll get darn clothes. Yeah, but you know, like you said, 3215 02:44:43.600 --> 02:44:47.360 thirteen fourteen thousands something to sneeze ass for Chicago for 3216 02:44:48.840 --> 02:44:52.319 you know, an episode of their secondary TV show. I 3217 02:44:53.040 --> 02:44:58.520 think it's really showing the power that the aw has 3218 02:44:58.840 --> 02:45:02.440 and the draw that that its roster has, and I 3219 02:45:02.440 --> 02:45:05.680 don't think that's I don't think not selling out given 3220 02:45:05.719 --> 02:45:07.879 the size of the building. If it's a smaller building, sure, 3221 02:45:07.920 --> 02:45:09.559 but given the size of the building, I don't think 3222 02:45:09.559 --> 02:45:13.120 not selling it out is a mark against them. 3223 02:45:13.520 --> 02:45:13.719 Yep. 3224 02:45:14.559 --> 02:45:16.719 Well yeah, And I'm and obviously that that. 3225 02:45:18.120 --> 02:45:20.360 Is setting aside any COVID issues that there might be, 3226 02:45:20.600 --> 02:45:22.840 and I say a lot of I'm also referring. 3227 02:45:22.440 --> 02:45:23.959 To a w B styles all up. 3228 02:45:24.840 --> 02:45:27.719 Yeah, like, you know, good ticket sales, but maybe one 3229 02:45:27.719 --> 02:45:30.680 section cord now for whatever you know, quote unquote reason. 3230 02:45:31.120 --> 02:45:33.280 But you know, you know, it's still the general the 3231 02:45:33.319 --> 02:45:33.840 gist of it. 3232 02:45:35.239 --> 02:45:36.680 And they're not gonna go I doubt they're going to 3233 02:45:36.760 --> 02:45:39.479 gouge on prices. You know that's gonna they're gonna if 3234 02:45:39.559 --> 02:45:41.600 you know, I haven't seen a pricing chart anything, but 3235 02:45:41.879 --> 02:45:44.200 my ounj is they're gonna price it to sell it 3236 02:45:44.239 --> 02:45:46.639 out and not price it to gouge the first you know, 3237 02:45:46.680 --> 02:45:49.040 five thousand people or three thousand people. So this is 3238 02:45:49.079 --> 02:45:51.360 gonna be and maybe I'll be wrong by next week. 3239 02:45:51.440 --> 02:45:53.879 I haven't looked, but I think this is gonna be 3240 02:45:53.879 --> 02:45:57.079 a show that's for the fans to experience something special 3241 02:45:57.120 --> 02:45:59.440 without breaking the bank, and that's ben I think something 3242 02:45:59.479 --> 02:46:01.639 that a wing that w is not doing. 3243 02:46:04.079 --> 02:46:07.239 Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts. 3244 02:46:07.399 --> 02:46:10.559 Will come join me Alan frel Over in the Progress 3245 02:46:10.559 --> 02:46:14.159 Paradise at Pterboo Torch VIP as we mask on the 3246 02:46:14.200 --> 02:46:16.840 bright side of wrestling and focus on some of the 3247 02:46:16.879 --> 02:46:19.840 great matches and shows from around the world, be it 3248 02:46:20.040 --> 02:46:22.879 the US, Japan, Europe or Mexico. 3249 02:46:23.440 --> 02:46:24.120 There's always a. 3250 02:46:24.120 --> 02:46:26.879 Place for wrestlings past in the Paradise too, and we've 3251 02:46:26.920 --> 02:46:29.719 done fun historical shows such as the We Love Liger 3252 02:46:29.840 --> 02:46:34.200 series celebrating the glorious career of Jusian Thunderliger and our 3253 02:46:34.280 --> 02:46:36.559 eye was there when shows where our guests will join 3254 02:46:36.639 --> 02:46:38.959 me to talk about a classic bout that they were 3255 02:46:39.000 --> 02:46:42.399 in attendance for. 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And yes, 3259 02:46:54.719 --> 02:46:58.559 all VIP podcasts are compatible with popular podcast apps on 3260 02:46:58.680 --> 02:47:02.239 iPhone and Android device, or you can stream them directly 3261 02:47:02.280 --> 02:47:05.559 from her ad free VIP mobile size see you in 3262 02:47:05.600 --> 02:47:06.239 the Paradise. 3263 02:47:14.000 --> 02:47:16.200 But I actually just remember I did with something else 3264 02:47:16.280 --> 02:47:18.200 up up on the brit Baker saying, I think they 3265 02:47:18.280 --> 02:47:23.239 might end up keeping her keelish just because the top 3266 02:47:23.280 --> 02:47:28.879 five women are thunder Rosa, Taikandi, uh christ Ra Atlander, cower. 3267 02:47:28.719 --> 02:47:31.319 Sheet on red velvet and it's five. 3268 02:47:32.559 --> 02:47:32.799 Yeah. 3269 02:47:32.879 --> 02:47:35.239 So, and and I think the whole point of of 3270 02:47:36.600 --> 02:47:37.000 I don't. 3271 02:47:36.840 --> 02:47:39.040 Want to be a baby face, you know, I mean 3272 02:47:39.079 --> 02:47:40.440 that's a it's a conund room. I mean it's not 3273 02:47:40.479 --> 02:47:43.280 it's not that big. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that. 3274 02:47:43.280 --> 02:47:48.479 That's true. And maybe that's and maybe they can make 3275 02:47:49.159 --> 02:47:53.520 britt a heel again because of thunder Rosa, and that 3276 02:47:53.559 --> 02:47:56.000 will lead to a better situation with the follow up opponents. 3277 02:47:56.000 --> 02:47:56.559 We'll see. 3278 02:47:58.920 --> 02:48:02.040 Yeah yeah uh so, yeah, that's pretty much what I 3279 02:48:02.040 --> 02:48:02.680 had so. 3280 02:48:05.879 --> 02:48:07.719 Talking to you, Greg absolutely have here. 3281 02:48:09.559 --> 02:48:10.319 We don't talk enough. 3282 02:48:10.879 --> 02:48:14.559 I'll take that as a hint. 3283 02:48:15.559 --> 02:48:18.920 Ah, there you go. Yes, all right, thanks check out 3284 02:48:18.920 --> 02:48:21.479 how Here's yeah, thanks check out ho Here's new Japan 3285 02:48:21.520 --> 02:48:25.159 Pride podcast on Peter B Torch v I P podcast lineup. 3286 02:48:25.479 --> 02:48:27.000 We've got some down in my emails. I'm gonna read 3287 02:48:27.000 --> 02:48:29.879 them tomorrow on the flight Ship with Kelly Wells from 3288 02:48:29.920 --> 02:48:32.879 the Peter B. E t Talks NXT show. We Uh, 3289 02:48:33.120 --> 02:48:36.399 we've gone long enough, Greg, and we will h save 3290 02:48:36.440 --> 02:48:40.280 those emails for when I'm fresher and uh and we 3291 02:48:40.360 --> 02:48:42.200 haven't talked for you know, well over two and a 3292 02:48:42.200 --> 02:48:45.600 half hours on this, Greg. Just tell people how they 3293 02:48:45.600 --> 02:48:48.559 can subscribe to your show and uh your contributions to 3294 02:48:48.600 --> 02:48:49.079 the Torch. 3295 02:48:50.200 --> 02:48:53.000 Sure Wrestling Night in America Sunday nights, usually at eight 3296 02:48:53.000 --> 02:48:55.879 pm Eastern with a co host, UH had heavier on. 3297 02:48:56.479 --> 02:48:59.559 I'll have Tom Stoup on this week, who is uh 3298 02:49:00.079 --> 02:49:02.719 part of the PWEC Talks NXT crew with Kelly Wells, 3299 02:49:02.719 --> 02:49:06.000 who'll be talking to you this week, and we'll break 3300 02:49:06.040 --> 02:49:08.040 down all the other shows. But we're not going to 3301 02:49:08.079 --> 02:49:09.000 talk about dynamite. 3302 02:49:09.559 --> 02:49:12.000 I talked, he talked enough to talk about dynamite. 3303 02:49:12.360 --> 02:49:14.239 Don't call in asking about dynamite. 3304 02:49:14.399 --> 02:49:17.440 There, you've got your you've got your fan based Greg. 3305 02:49:17.520 --> 02:49:18.600 You know it's not a Harbor show. 3306 02:49:18.760 --> 02:49:20.200 That that's true, you know. 3307 02:49:21.120 --> 02:49:23.760 As a teaser for the mailbank tomorrow, though, we do 3308 02:49:23.840 --> 02:49:26.159 have an email from Sean who says, just when you 3309 02:49:26.200 --> 02:49:29.280 think you've seen it all, don callus in short shorts. 3310 02:49:30.120 --> 02:49:33.040 He says, I work in a medical facility, and I'm paraphrasing. 3311 02:49:33.120 --> 02:49:34.879 He said it's the worst thing. That was the worst, 3312 02:49:34.920 --> 02:49:38.120 most worst thing. So we got that. Somebody else emailed 3313 02:49:38.159 --> 02:49:40.440 and said they hated the main event. So yeah, we 3314 02:49:40.479 --> 02:49:42.399 got some fun some funny meals you can You can, 3315 02:49:42.440 --> 02:49:44.959 by the way, contribute to the flagship Wade Keller podcast 3316 02:49:45.440 --> 02:49:48.280 at pw torch dot com. Send in your questions and 3317 02:49:48.319 --> 02:49:50.920 comments for Kelly and Me to respond to tomorrow. 3318 02:49:51.000 --> 02:49:53.559 Yes, Greg and we didn't talk about thunder Rose versus 3319 02:49:53.639 --> 02:49:55.520 Julia Hart, So if you want to call in or 3320 02:49:55.600 --> 02:49:58.120 email me about that man show, I'll be happy to 3321 02:49:58.159 --> 02:50:01.360 talk about that with you on Sunday. You can Collins 3322 02:50:01.399 --> 02:50:03.639 the live shown call in talk to me and Tom. 3323 02:50:04.040 --> 02:50:06.319 You can email w n I a live cast at 3324 02:50:06.319 --> 02:50:09.639 gmail dot com. 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