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<v Speaker 1>It's Nights with Dan Ray. I'm don you easy, Boston

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<v Speaker 1>News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thanks a lot, I appreciate it. We are going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk some movies here coming up. Can't wait. You

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<v Speaker 2>guys know I love this stuff. Boston Globe film critic

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<v Speaker 2>Odie Henderson. I have to say quickly. I mean, and

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<v Speaker 2>now I may have mentioned it. I was watching the

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<v Speaker 2>highlights on TV as the Celtic came back and beat

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<v Speaker 2>the Bucks one eleven to one oh five, and I

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<v Speaker 2>thought the Celts were in trouble but outscored him sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>to six in the final six minutes. And the Celtic

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<v Speaker 2>team is something else. Okay again, joining us right now

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<v Speaker 2>from the Boston Globe, Odie Henderson, Odie, thanks for coming on.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So holiday movies and we're gonna start with that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've been I gotta get your thoughts on some

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<v Speaker 2>other stuff coming up. But the one thing I wonder,

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<v Speaker 2>how come recently recently and I haven't seen Red One

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<v Speaker 2>yet with the Rock and Sudbury Masterson, Chris Evans. How

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<v Speaker 2>come there are no recent great holiday movies? Or am

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<v Speaker 2>I wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? You know Red One would have been better if

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<v Speaker 3>it had less action in it. There's a really good JK.

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<v Speaker 3>Simmons performance that he Santa Claus and the rock is

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<v Speaker 3>fun when he's being exasperated. I think Chris Evans, Chris

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<v Speaker 3>Evans is the weak link in the movie, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>not very good. I think because there's a glut of

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<v Speaker 3>a holiday movie, you know, and they have a brand now,

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<v Speaker 3>we have the Hallmark movie has a lifetime movie now

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<v Speaker 3>necess of getting involved with Hot Boston and a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of Ruther movies, we all hit a certain cratertieria and

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<v Speaker 3>that criterteria isn't good. So that's probably why we also,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, are for a specific audience. But my mom

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<v Speaker 3>likes to watch them, and I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>peage girls like to watch them as well. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>saying it is all just a girl, but it seems

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<v Speaker 3>to be that that's the case. They all have this

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<v Speaker 3>cookie cutter of things. Earlier movies seems to have have

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<v Speaker 3>more flock, a different variety of plots, and then the

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<v Speaker 3>current ones too because if you look at it, I

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<v Speaker 3>said in my review of Hot Frosty, it was just

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<v Speaker 3>the pornographic movie plots. When he took all the sets

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<v Speaker 3>stilled in the spot for ninety minutes and it basically

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<v Speaker 3>is what these movies turned out to be. So they're

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<v Speaker 3>not for me, but they're now the market.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh, I mean, Odie, they're on in my house

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. Are you talking about Hallmark right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they're on in my house all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife. Listen, my wife works her tail off. She

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<v Speaker 2>works very hard during the weekend. She just likes to

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<v Speaker 2>have they're brainless. We all know what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>The best thing about Hallmark movies right now is the

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<v Speaker 2>parodies that are on social media. The parodies are hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, woman returns from the big city, sees the

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<v Speaker 2>old boyfriend running the inn. They fall in love. She stays, well,

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<v Speaker 2>she go blah blah blah. But there's definitely a market

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<v Speaker 2>for it. But I agree, they're not for me. But

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<v Speaker 2>like my wife, they're just brain candy. I mean, she

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<v Speaker 2>just you know it's there. But this brings me to

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<v Speaker 2>another point is that you know, like you mentioned like Planes,

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<v Speaker 2>Trains and Automobiles, which is a Thanksgiving movie, or you

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<v Speaker 2>can go to the Santa Claus or you go to

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<v Speaker 2>a vacation Christmas vacation. Those are all comedies. People don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to write a comedic movie anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't. And there have been some funny movies that

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<v Speaker 3>have been up, you know, over the past couple of years,

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<v Speaker 3>but it seems like the market for that has gone down.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's hard to get a good comedy. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>there were some good comedies that were out that were

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<v Speaker 3>slightly launcher than maybe something that we families feel friendly,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're they're out there. The problem is that they

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<v Speaker 3>can barely get you know, a theater right right right

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<v Speaker 3>on Netflix or something like that, and they get lost

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<v Speaker 3>because of.

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<v Speaker 2>What is a good comedy film, not series film that

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<v Speaker 2>you've seen.

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<v Speaker 3>A good comedy lost. Wow, I think about.

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<v Speaker 2>That, well, I tell you, I thought I thought Knives out.

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<v Speaker 3>There's more of a mystery than a comedy. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 3>of something that's straight and broad, you know that that's

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<v Speaker 3>But again it's this is not this. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 3>think of something family friendly.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, right right, Yeah, it's not happening. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's been replaced by Instagram and TikTok.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose that there may be some truth to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Which totally bums me out. I mean completely bums me out.

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<v Speaker 2>So so as far as let's let's and we all

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<v Speaker 2>know the good ones, but let's start with like, what

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<v Speaker 2>is the worst Holiday movie that you've ever seen?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's see he scrooged Bill Murray.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's right, I mean, and I love Murray's great Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I I I hear you that they missed on that one.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great in that Carrol Kane is very, very funny

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<v Speaker 3>in that. But the movie is except with the distance

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<v Speaker 3>and then at the end where you know, Bill Murray

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<v Speaker 3>breaks the fourth wall. I was talking to the audience,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's when I was just like, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>get up the league. Yeah, thirty eight eighty eight West

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<v Speaker 3>at time. Wow, I just did not like that. Obvious

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<v Speaker 3>that made my least favorite Christmas movie. But I could

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<v Speaker 3>think of the top of my head that that is

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<v Speaker 3>that is loved by a lot of people. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna get in trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever seen And when I watched this, my

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<v Speaker 2>wife was like, what are you watching? I think it

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<v Speaker 2>is so over the top and it's it was on.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a Netflix movie at first, and

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<v Speaker 2>it did so well. I think it went into the

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<v Speaker 2>theaters and it was called Violent Night with David Harbor.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh right, Yeah, David Harbor was kind of the ban

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<v Speaker 3>of My Assistance a little while and all these very

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<v Speaker 3>he was. I mean, that wasn't bad. I thought that

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<v Speaker 3>but it was better than I was expecting it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well here it is. It's way over the top and

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<v Speaker 2>might I mean, okay, so just in case anybody doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what we're talking about, you should check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's David Harvey plays Santa Claus and he goes and

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<v Speaker 2>he you know, he shows up and John Leguizamo is

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<v Speaker 2>because they have a lot of money and avoulved. So

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<v Speaker 2>then Santa Claus turns into a combination of like Jackie

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<v Speaker 2>Chan and Bruce Willis and starts blowing I mean the

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<v Speaker 2>one part where he ties that guy up in the

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching it and I was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know whether to laugh or be appalled. But that movie

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<v Speaker 2>did really well. It did.

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<v Speaker 3>It did really well, which if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 3>forty years ago, nine to eighty four, in fact, there

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<v Speaker 3>was a movie called Stara Knight Badley Night. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>Cisco Neebe is an entire show like ambassying the people

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<v Speaker 3>who made it. And it was a movie where standa

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<v Speaker 3>class had acted. He was chopping up everybody. Oh, they

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<v Speaker 3>showed a commercial. Never forget this. My sister was traumatized

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<v Speaker 3>by this commercial. Stanta Claus chopping down the door, done

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<v Speaker 3>traumatizing kids. And now you got Violent Knight where Stanta

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<v Speaker 3>Claus is the good guy because he wasn't really Stanta

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<v Speaker 3>Claus because the maniac and this movie actually is Santa

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<v Speaker 3>Claus and he's blowing people up, and you know he

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<v Speaker 2>So times have changed, well, there's no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that the comedies or you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's almost like the comedies and dramas. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>a commit drama. These I think, and I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>all series, you know. I mean, I mean if you

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you talk to some people about oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>people or even some of the writers on that shore.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard them say that there's comedic elements in that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, where it's almost combined where you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the straight comedy anymore like you would with like a

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<v Speaker 2>Three's Company or whatever, but you have it's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a combination of the two. I mean, even I'm my

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<v Speaker 2>wife and I are hooked on The Diplomat. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>watched The Diplomat? It's on Netflix, Dude, you try. You

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<v Speaker 2>got to watch it. It's worth your time. I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really smart. It's a TV series and it's really smart.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's also some comedy mixed in. Watch the first

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<v Speaker 2>two episodes, Okay, and then I think you're that what's that?

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<v Speaker 3>Who is the star of It's.

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<v Speaker 2>Carrie Russell, who was in Yeah, I've heard of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was thinking about something else. I haven't watched it,

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<v Speaker 3>but I was in the wrong neighbor in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I mean, look there's a lot going on,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I understand that, but she I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>is and it just had an ending which is like

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<v Speaker 2>an unbelievable just oh my god. No, I'm not gonna spoil.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't worry about you. You need to. You need

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<v Speaker 2>to check it out because it's it's wow, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a ride. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna take a quick break before you go in

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<v Speaker 3>for a south there we're talking about is the real

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<v Speaker 3>that's uh a Christmas based kind of similar movie, like

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<v Speaker 3>what which about Thetaclaus is being held for ransom? And

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<v Speaker 3>it's really really good. It's a lot offul.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not for kids, you know, I got it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not Charlie Brown's Christmas. It's you know, it's not Rudel's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bumbled Boughs. We got more with Odie Henderson

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<v Speaker 2>talking about holiday movies and all other things. Gary and Beverley,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna put you on too, coming up next, Gary

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<v Speaker 2>Tang for Dan Rag.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Nightside Now. Back to Dan Ray live from

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<v Speaker 1>the Window World night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, talking to holiday movies, TV, just good stuff like

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<v Speaker 2>we'd like to watch on the screen. That's a Odie

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<v Speaker 2>Henderson joining usrom the Boston Globe. Garyan Beverly is a thought. Gary,

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<v Speaker 2>you're up on WBZ.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, I don't Gary.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up? Buddy?

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<v Speaker 4>Not too much? See that was as long. That's long

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<v Speaker 4>enough they had commercially. I feel like it was calling Comcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sorry, kid, I know.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys forgo out a important movie, Bob Bill Goldberg.

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<v Speaker 4>Santa's Slay.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what. Oh do you know that one?

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<v Speaker 3>What was it against Dance? Say that's ready? Why at Olberg?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's that's gotten the harrifying Gore movie.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't believe if Buddy from the Globe doesn't like Scrooge.

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<v Speaker 4>Who doesn't like Scrooge? That was a good movie, Bill Bert.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh yeah, but yeah, I mean the problem yeah, but

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<v Speaker 4>right now, the ones you want to show your kids,

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<v Speaker 4>you get to pay for them. You know, they're on

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<v Speaker 3>I missed Whinney had all the specials on for free,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean TVs and pre form I think due. I

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<v Speaker 3>other day. And they always have these twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 3>a Christmas Stories. They're talking about Christmas movies. They always

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<v Speaker 4>Can I get sick of watch of the repeats? You

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Gary, thanks for the body. We appreciate it. I

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<v Speaker 2>get our guest here is Odie Henderson or the Boston Globe.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so here's a question. Is Die Hard a

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God, I had this argument the other day with

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<v Speaker 3>somebody at a bar heard, Oh, they're just getting me

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<v Speaker 3>in trouble. Oh de here die heard is not a

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas movie. Christmas. It is not a Christmas movie. How

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<v Speaker 3>it takes face for Christmas Eve that has very little

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<v Speaker 3>to do with Christmas and going to a Christmas party

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<v Speaker 3>that's the only tide of Christmas or whatever, so that

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<v Speaker 3>it takes place on Chris. I love Diehard, don't get

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<v Speaker 3>me wrong, love die Hard. I watched it the other day,

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<v Speaker 3>but to me, it's not a Christmas but they always

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<v Speaker 3>show it here, been that on Christmas Eve here and

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<v Speaker 3>in New York. And I actually went one night Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>to see die Hard and been knight. Uh, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>a christ And I don't know. People are used me

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<v Speaker 3>about that, but until you actually proved to me that

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<v Speaker 3>there is a Christmas message of any regard in die Hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, odios in die Hard too, yippie kaye.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and he says that in every single one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he say that the first one too?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's where it came from the first movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot about.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember Alan Rickman's character, He's he said, he calls him

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<v Speaker 3>cowboy and who it says, mister Falcon, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>cleaned up verse they would do on television, which just

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<v Speaker 3>Larry right, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right right right by the way. Who's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we had this to talk the other day. Who's a

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<v Speaker 2>better villain than Alan Rickman? So good?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, he is so good in that movie. It's so wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>He was in a movie that's completely difficult, truly madly deep,

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<v Speaker 3>that I love very much, and he made before. I

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<v Speaker 3>believe he made die Hard. I think the year before.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of my favorite movies of his. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he gives good villain and so that all's in there

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<v Speaker 3>good enough. Who people keep forgetting, you know the ballet answer,

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<v Speaker 3>who is pretty much the last person to get shot

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<v Speaker 3>and die off? But boy, I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was a good villain too. I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>The thing about Rickman is I heard an interviewer or

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<v Speaker 2>something where I mean, obviously he was a Shakespearean trained actor,

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<v Speaker 2>you know London, you know, stage actor and so forth,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he just did the die Hard thing

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<v Speaker 2>for the money. He just took the cash and then

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<v Speaker 2>went back to doing Shakespeare someplace. And then obviously we

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<v Speaker 2>saw what he did with the Harry Potter.

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<v Speaker 3>Movies, right, and you know that's an even galaxy quest.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't forget that I forgot about Galaxy Quest. You're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 3>I forget they of Galaxy Quest, which is why with him.

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<v Speaker 3>From the front of my mind, I just thought that

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<v Speaker 3>they were doing a restoration of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So then Leath of Weapons not a holiday movie either.

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<v Speaker 3>Lethal Weapons came out in January. They step.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, so it came out in January. But there's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, So.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean this is a movie that begins with somebody

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<v Speaker 3>that a Chrystal movie aint any regards.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I want to go back to die Hard, Diehard

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<v Speaker 2>one or two because I love Diehard too.

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<v Speaker 3>At the Airport, Dinar two is fun with John Amos,

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<v Speaker 3>says the villain. You know, he's the bigger guy than

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<v Speaker 3>you realize when you watch him on good Times. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>he was fun, but Diehard one is cracked. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Diar two is a good sequel, and then Diehard three

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<v Speaker 3>is and then the rest of them are just terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I know that the rest were money grabs. Like

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<v Speaker 2>what was the one where the cab comes out of

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<v Speaker 2>the tunnel and goes sideways. That was like four I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, yeah, I mean, he just couldn't turn

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<v Speaker 2>down the money. Do you know the backstory with Willis

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<v Speaker 2>becoming the star of die Hard? Was he the first choice?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he was the first choice. No, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't believe he was the first choice. You know, obviously

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<v Speaker 3>he had it was Dinhard his second movie, his third movie.

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<v Speaker 3>He had done a movie called Blind Date, which I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's one of the worst movies ever made. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>he was with Ian, he was on Moonline. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think he was the first choice. And it's interesting because

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<v Speaker 3>you read the book that Dinhard is based on. It's

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Real I didn't even know it was based on a book.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh this, and so is Donhard with a Vengeance. I

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<v Speaker 3>think this first and third one are based on a

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<v Speaker 3>book by the same author. But it's not like John McClain.

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<v Speaker 3>They rest They kind of took the book, like maybe

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<v Speaker 3>the basic plots of it, and he was the SUSA

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<v Speaker 3>wrote you know, everything else in it, and it's the

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<v Speaker 3>framework of the book. Yeah, the book is complete. It's awful.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't imagine anybody playing John McClain.

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<v Speaker 3>Neither, because he's going well. See the problem I have

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<v Speaker 3>with Dinhard's too, is that now he's a superhero. And

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<v Speaker 3>Donard One, you're with him, like you really feel like

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<v Speaker 3>he's an every man. He's walking around barefoot, pulling glass

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<v Speaker 3>at his feet. You feel like, even in the most

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<v Speaker 3>super ridiculous things he was doing in that movie, you

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<v Speaker 3>never lose sight of that he's just an average Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>Where Donhard too, he is James.

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<v Speaker 2>Thoms, Yeah, you're right, and he's the reluctant hero in

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<v Speaker 2>Diehard One, like he does not want to have to

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<v Speaker 2>do this. It's and you feel that right, but no

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<v Speaker 2>one else will do it. So he says, well, hell,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it right, Toby, I mean, Diard's is again as

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<v Speaker 3>a classic. By the way, real quick, I'm ashamed of myself.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're asked you about a comedy of help this year.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe I didn't say hundreds of beavers.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't even seen it. What is it again?

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<v Speaker 3>Hundreds of beavers? Which I actually made them, let me

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<v Speaker 3>review it in the paper. Hundreds of beavers. He's on

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<v Speaker 3>TV now, it's everywhere. It's it's the latest midnight movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I will call it crazy. It's a black and white,

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<v Speaker 3>mostly silent movie. Basically, if the Resonant was a Looney

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<v Speaker 3>Tunes cartoon. Wow, there's a beaver and it's a guy,

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody that's the beaver is dressed in a mascot

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<v Speaker 3>call costume and there's like a gag every three seconds

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<v Speaker 3>and it's it's spectacular. You have to get up really

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<v Speaker 3>early to make me not know what's happening next to

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<v Speaker 3>the movie. They can completely like wonder what's coming and

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<v Speaker 3>going on, And this movie did it for me and

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<v Speaker 3>it's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, I'm sorry. Great to be my daughter, my

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<v Speaker 2>to be making a run.

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<v Speaker 3>To be is to be staved my butt when I

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<v Speaker 3>was writing my book. Because there are movies that are

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<v Speaker 3>on TV there are nowhere else in the universe. But

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<v Speaker 3>Toby has its own like series of made for TV movies.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean, were you go to was watching? But

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<v Speaker 3>to be is you know, yes, you'd be surprised, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was a bad. It was a bad. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a really bad like love story. I would call

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<v Speaker 2>it like a really bad like Dawson's Creek, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of those. Like no, it wasn't a series, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was a maybe it was a series. Or a

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<v Speaker 2>movie and her and her friends were watching it and

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<v Speaker 2>it was like that type. But you know, it's something like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fifteen sixteen year old girls watch you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a bad something, you know, something like that, And I go,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you watching that?

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<v Speaker 5>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>She goes to be. I went to be. I went,

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<v Speaker 2>I got, what the hell is that?

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<v Speaker 3>It's free?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? Well, yeah, dude, you speak in my language. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to talk about we have to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>home alone. I also want to talk about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Cloney and Pitt trying to get back together. I got

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<v Speaker 2>to get back to the Chris Evans thing too on

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<v Speaker 2>of rooting for him post you know, Captain America. That's

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<v Speaker 2>all coming up here on w b Z Odie Henderson

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<v Speaker 2>or the Globe. It was with this movie right back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, back here Tucket movies, holiday movies, and just movies

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<v Speaker 2>and TV in general, with Odie Henderson joining us from

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Globe. Okay, a bunch of things now I

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<v Speaker 2>have to write down because I have so many things

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<v Speaker 2>running through my head. Home Alone is Home Alone the

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<v Speaker 2>best Christmas movie ever?

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, Fourth Street's the best Christmas movie ever? In

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen forty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait a minute, wait a minute, Odie, Odie, Odie,

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<v Speaker 2>I hear you. Miracle at thirty fourth Street, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the one with the new one was pretty good too,

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<v Speaker 2>with the guy from the Practice.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I saw that when the Roly roommate

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<v Speaker 3>I saw was since you're bringing up on Alone was

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<v Speaker 3>written by John Hughes and had Richard Attenborough, with which

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<v Speaker 3>that's pretty bad. And then also, don't forget David Hartman

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<v Speaker 3>good winning Emerica back in the seventies. He did a

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<v Speaker 3>version of Before She Me movie. So this point you're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about it, know what, what's this?

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<v Speaker 2>You know it might be the Attinborough you might have made.

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<v Speaker 2>It might be the Attinborough one that that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>like it. Oh my god, I just I blinked on

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<v Speaker 2>his name. For God's sakes, I gotta look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyways, go ahead, Miracle at thirty fourth Street. You say,

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<v Speaker 2>that's who played Santa Claus in.

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<v Speaker 3>That one, Edmund Gwyn and He won the Oscar for.

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<v Speaker 2>It Get Out yep, Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And it also won the Screen Day Oscar.

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding, Well, I can't falter for that one. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a great.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great great screenplays. My favorite Christmas leave but

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<v Speaker 3>Home Alone eight Christmas movie. It's funny because Chris Columbus directed,

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<v Speaker 3>and Chris Combus let's have a thing against Christmas because

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<v Speaker 3>he wrote Grimlins. They said about Christmas movies that are violent.

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<v Speaker 3>He wrote Gmins, he wrote, he had that part that

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's hilarious. But the pebe K speach you

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<v Speaker 3>about why she believe in Santa Claus. He seems to

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<v Speaker 3>have an in for Chris.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen Gremlins, really, I know, and every and everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody shakes their head when I tell them. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like Robert Producer, he's got it's one of his favorites.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen it. I just haven't, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I just had more of the other Gremlins too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I haven't even seen Gremlins one, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Dylan McDermott. Dylan McDermott was in the one that might

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<v Speaker 2>be the same one you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, that's a different one.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was the other one. Okay, you know

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<v Speaker 2>the one Christmas movie that I thought recently was was decent,

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<v Speaker 2>but they went to the well too often and Netflix

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<v Speaker 2>did it, and they did a part too, Kurt Russell

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<v Speaker 2>and Christmas Chronicles one wasn't terrible?

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<v Speaker 3>Is Kurt Russell Santa Claus? Yeah, I'd be interested in that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to tell you the reason you got to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it is they it's really good, that the script

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty creative. And he also does a song in

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<v Speaker 2>the jailhouse because they throw him in jail. And he

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<v Speaker 2>also because you know, he loves to do Elvis too.

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<v Speaker 2>Russell likes to do Elvis, so he doesn't come Don Carpenter.

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<v Speaker 3>He did all he played over John Carpenter.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, You're right he did. And he also was

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<v Speaker 2>in what is it three Thousand Miles from grace Land

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<v Speaker 2>with Costner, which wasn't it should have been a better

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<v Speaker 2>movie than it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think he was gonna save that money.

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<v Speaker 2>But after god, yeah, I mean no, I know, but

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<v Speaker 2>I remember going to the movies wanting to love that movie,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, damn. And I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>just heard like Costner had a cut, Russell had a cut.

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<v Speaker 2>They were fighting him at what you know when it

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<v Speaker 2>went to crap. But yeah, you know, I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna I was really disappointed. But yeah, Christomas Chronicles, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>check ou out on Netflix. That's what. That one's not terrible. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Goldie Han, but did she missus clause? And

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<v Speaker 2>they made a Christmas Chronicles too? And they went to

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<v Speaker 2>the well once too often? I do, Yeah, they just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they went to the will too often. The

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<v Speaker 2>other one, the other thing I wanted to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>was Chris Evans because I root for the guy because

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<v Speaker 2>he's from Sudbury, mass He's a local guy and he's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get rid of the Captain America thing and

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<v Speaker 2>I get that. I saw him and ghosted, which I

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<v Speaker 2>thought was overdone. You know when people do One of

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<v Speaker 2>the problems is when you do a comedy and you

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<v Speaker 2>do like violence and they go over the top, like

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<v Speaker 2>killing one hundred guys, it kills it. You can't there's

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<v Speaker 2>only gross point There's only one gross point Blank, which

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<v Speaker 2>was one of my favorite dark comedies of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know when you when when you when you

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<v Speaker 2>next thing, you know, when you know you're blown away,

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<v Speaker 2>like one hundred guys, you got to just like go

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<v Speaker 2>the leath weapon route and maybe it would be better.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't think that worked. But I thought he

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<v Speaker 2>was great in the face ended Jacob, and I thought

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<v Speaker 2>he was great and gifted. Did you ever see Gifted?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm just looking up Ghosted, I said, I reviewed.

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<v Speaker 3>I reviewed Ghosts. I'm pretty sure I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, would you think of it?

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<v Speaker 3>It happened, I'd be cool. I'm not liking it, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't like it either, and I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was a little it was a

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<v Speaker 2>little too inside baseball over the top, you know. But

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<v Speaker 2>like he was, I thought he was great in defending Jacob.

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<v Speaker 2>The series they shot here in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I have a question for you. You just see

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<v Speaker 3>the movie he directed.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. Which one is that?

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<v Speaker 3>It's called Before We Go. Here's the funny thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I covered Toronto Film Festival. You know, I do it

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<v Speaker 3>for the Globe, but before I was at the World,

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<v Speaker 3>I did it for rogerrievery dot com where I used

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<v Speaker 3>to be a critic at. And it's uh, I saw

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<v Speaker 3>that Toron'sman. I really really liked it. It's called Before

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<v Speaker 3>We Go and it's twenty fourteen, I think, or twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I did you know what? I did see it? I odie.

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<v Speaker 2>I did see it, and I loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's before it's a rip up before sunset, but

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<v Speaker 3>it takes place in and he and Alice Alice Eve

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<v Speaker 3>is it. They're both really good and I really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 3>And it disappeared. I didn't know what happened to be.

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<v Speaker 3>But sometimes you see movies at festivals and they don't

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<v Speaker 3>get a release, or they get a release a year later,

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<v Speaker 3>or just they did disappear. So it's a movie I've

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<v Speaker 3>liked that must of it again, and I had never

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<v Speaker 3>heard of it any more, but we brought it up

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<v Speaker 3>before I thought about it. It is the only movie

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<v Speaker 3>he directed, and then he does a good job. So

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why he didn't do any more movies,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's directed behind the camp. I guess I think

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<v Speaker 3>Captain America may have dragged him away from that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it probably did listen to certainly paid the bills,

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I just think that I thought he

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<v Speaker 2>was great and defended Jacob. I thought he was great

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<v Speaker 2>and gifted. Gifted's good if you could check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what he plays like an uncle to as a

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<v Speaker 2>niece nephew that is intellectually gifted like and he has

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with that. And it's a really good movie.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're right before we go, what's that?

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<v Speaker 3>He's great in light Year movie out down Hill. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>dye on that. I think it's a good movie. He's

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<v Speaker 3>buzzed light Year and light Year.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's right. I didn't see that one. So you

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<v Speaker 2>know another one where I want. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you saw it on Apple TV Clooney and Pitt and

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<v Speaker 2>Wolves that they're marketing the hell out of. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>seen that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I reviewed it. I reviewed it. I liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>You did like it? See, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't finish it. What did you like about it?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's fun. I think it's very silly and

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<v Speaker 3>I had a good time. You know, I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 3>it has to do my tenth best list through Monday.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's through tuesdays. They had to see rocks to on Monday.

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<v Speaker 3>He made them homes of the Day. Because I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>through I'm looking at the database of all my grades

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<v Speaker 3>cheer as they're talking, and I remember giving it three stars,

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<v Speaker 3>which I did. I thought it was fun I think

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<v Speaker 3>the two of them for what it was, it worked well.

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<v Speaker 3>But but it's funny because when I saw the movie,

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<v Speaker 3>I already know when they were doing a sequel before

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<v Speaker 3>it even came out. So the bitch stasting was from

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<v Speaker 3>this which you didn't get to you because you didn't

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<v Speaker 3>watch the whole thing. They had no effect because basically,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, but one little for pushing past in the

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<v Speaker 3>sun there kids, people haven't seen the movie. That's freaking

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<v Speaker 3>fifty something years old. They die, right, and it looks

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<v Speaker 3>like Cloney and Pitt are going to die at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of this movie because it has they're running out

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<v Speaker 3>like seven hundred people were gunns. But Apple say the

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<v Speaker 3>first movie they came out that they were doing this,

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<v Speaker 3>were they were going to come back and do it.

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<v Speaker 3>That kind of ruined the ending for me totally, because

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<v Speaker 3>I might have given it a slightly higher grade if

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was the actual end?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>So was it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what? Now, Well, I'm gonna watch it. I

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<v Speaker 2>got it. I think I got thirty minutes to go,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm going to finish it, so it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a Sundance Butcher Sundance type of ending. Yeah, ohkyl, well, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to check that out. And of course, you

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<v Speaker 2>know Pitt with DiCaprio in the Hollywood movie Might Oh God,

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<v Speaker 2>that name just escapes me. Tarantino directed.

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<v Speaker 3>Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was terrific. I mean, that's that's like one

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<v Speaker 2>of my my my top five.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh that's so. You know Anora, a woman from Anora,

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<v Speaker 3>Mikey Madison is in that movie. Isn't one one? Once

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<v Speaker 3>a why a simon Hollywood? You know, I'm notoriously Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't like it. I said, it's two thirds of

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<v Speaker 3>a very good movie. And I explained why why didn't

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<v Speaker 3>you like it? I mean I didn't hate it. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>it's two and a half stars, which is not hate,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's two thirds of a great movie. That that

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<v Speaker 3>scene where the life's won and Los Angeles maybe the

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<v Speaker 3>best thing that Chance ever directed. But the problem is

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<v Speaker 3>that this is too this is too macult level. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>Tim taking on the Nazis and the Glorius Fast or

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<v Speaker 3>taking on Flavory and Genue Chain. That's macro. You're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about a person who you know was killed and he's

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<v Speaker 3>basically sure is going to stay as a pretty white

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<v Speaker 3>girl in this film. It's two Michel. You can't really

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<v Speaker 3>do so it doesn't work. This is a real person,

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<v Speaker 3>Charry take was a real person, because they're better than

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<v Speaker 3>what she was given in this film. You can't rewrite

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<v Speaker 3>history on that. You know that that granular eleven and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's why I threw me about the entirely,

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<v Speaker 3>but also the last third of it is absolute garbage.

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<v Speaker 3>So I know I was the popular opinion on my part,

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<v Speaker 3>but I you know, I didn't get into this business

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm a fake. I'm a critic.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, it's not a popularity contest. That's an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting take. That's a really interesting take. All right, Oda,

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<v Speaker 2>can you hang out for one more segment?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Odie? Here Anderson is with his Boston Globe talking movies,

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<v Speaker 2>Holiday movies, movies in general, plus tednan Quincy as a

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<v Speaker 2>question for Odie. That's all coming out next here on

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<v Speaker 2>wbz's Night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Light Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome about Gary in for day and Tonight. Odie Henderson

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Globe, talking movies, TV, all that stuff. Joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll go to Ted and Quincy. He's got a question. Hey, Ted,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for calling WBC. You're a knight side.

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<v Speaker 3>Good evening.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up? Ted?

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<v Speaker 5>I had never heard anybody never heard? Have you ever

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<v Speaker 5>watched twenty fourth Street with Danny I L and Elick Zanne?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Was it?

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think that's like a Christmas movie?

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<v Speaker 3>Street? It's yeah, I remember seeing it. That was a

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<v Speaker 3>long time ago.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, Kenny l Elik Isamne was that Frank Delinjello whatever?

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<v Speaker 5>When he's a kid, you know, when he's young. Movie

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<v Speaker 5>starts out with him throwing snowballs, a really good Christian

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<v Speaker 5>kids throwing snowballs at the church and the priest wants

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<v Speaker 5>to you know, they police arrest them and he brings

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<v Speaker 5>them in. He says father, he goes he's a good Christian.

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<v Speaker 5>What are you gonna let him go? And he goes hy.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, It's that's how the movie starts, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Christmas, all right, Ted, Greg.

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<v Speaker 5>Christmas and on the whole movie it's Christmas. You know

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<v Speaker 5>everybody he needs hey, kid, Chris, you know the thing

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<v Speaker 5>even at the you know, anyways, Danny Iello story.

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<v Speaker 3>You wasn't twenty fourth It's twenty ninth Street, is it you? Sure? Well?

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<v Speaker 5>I haven't seen it in the years because my brother

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't give me the movie back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what you need to think it was?

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<v Speaker 2>That's just unfair, Ted, But we appreciate the call. Ted,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for coming. I did have a chance to go.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to watch it again. Thank you for recommend me.

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<v Speaker 3>If everybody didn't enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>I did do a movie with Danny Iello, really I did. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A friend of mine, Frank's Yoda. He had a movie

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<v Speaker 2>called Stiffs that was shot in the North End and

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<v Speaker 2>he needed a newscaster, and I went down and I

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<v Speaker 2>worked with them for a couple of days. He was

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<v Speaker 2>He was great. He kind of fell into acting. He

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be a baseball player. Then he fell into

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<v Speaker 2>acting and he got into it late. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I remember him was moonlighting, not moonlighting, moodstruck. Moodstruck,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, then he took off. Yeah, he was

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<v Speaker 2>great to work with. I had a blast with him.

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<v Speaker 2>If Frankie, they did a great job of this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh it was. It was a great premise where the

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<v Speaker 2>funeral homes in the North End. They were being overtaken

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<v Speaker 2>by corporations. So for this family owned just single funeral

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<v Speaker 2>home to stay in business, which i Elo ran. They

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<v Speaker 2>started killing off mobsters, so the rival gangs would kill

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<v Speaker 2>each other, which was good for business. Okay, I got

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<v Speaker 2>yees stiffs. So that's and that's that was my Danny

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<v Speaker 2>i Ello experience today.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw the first time I saw.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's another good What did you think of Newman?

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<v Speaker 3>I do you think you get a bad I love

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<v Speaker 3>his wife more. I think his wife's a better actor.

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<v Speaker 3>And he would also agree with me that Johann Woward

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<v Speaker 3>is a better actor.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he totally would. He totally would. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>he got a bad rap of always playing the same guy.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think he's played the same guy, because

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<v Speaker 3>the guy he plays in The Verdict is not the

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<v Speaker 3>guy he plays in Kolan Luke No, or.

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<v Speaker 2>The Guy which is a movie for Hub or chat on.

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<v Speaker 3>The Hodson Roof, or any of these movies that could game.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's not like I mean, as much I

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<v Speaker 3>love Jack Nicholson, there's always a bit of Jack in

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<v Speaker 3>all of his movies, right, That's true. I'm the same

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<v Speaker 3>with Paul Newman.

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<v Speaker 2>What about Road to Tradition.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I didn't care for that. I think he's

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<v Speaker 3>good in it, but I didn't particularly care for Tom Hanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a villain does not work them strong, It doesn't work,

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<v Speaker 2>and they tried to make him a good villain. And

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Craig, I mean, Daniel Craig was in that movie

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<v Speaker 2>that was his coming out party. I mean that's where

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<v Speaker 2>everybody said, who's this guy? The problem with that movie

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<v Speaker 2>is they put in the Jude Law character with the photographer,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that it all got metal muddled up.

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<v Speaker 2>Today I watched Conclave. Have you reviewed it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I did. I viewed it from SIF and I reviewed

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<v Speaker 3>it in the paper when they came out as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Did I love conc.

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<v Speaker 2>What'd you think? Without giving okay, folks, cover your ears?

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<v Speaker 2>What did you think of the ending?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when I saw at Toronto, I was I

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<v Speaker 3>went to the critics screening, and critics screening is notoriously.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't we don't respond. I didn't laugh something funny,

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<v Speaker 3>but you don't really like you try not to show

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<v Speaker 3>your emotions. That the critics screen is kind of silly.

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<v Speaker 3>But people gassed at my screening. We won't say what

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<v Speaker 3>the ending is. People gasp. And I had not heard

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<v Speaker 3>people gass at a critic screening since Creaked, which is

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<v Speaker 3>twenty fourteen or thirteen and fourteen. So yeah, no, I

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<v Speaker 3>I love. The ending was great. Apparently I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>it was a book until after I seen the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to be dragged to that. The last thing

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to see was the Pope. Those sort of

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<v Speaker 3>stuff I was dragged to. And I was glad I

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<v Speaker 3>was dragged to it because it's not it's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of fun. And I hated that director's last movie, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>find in the Western Front. It was on my wors.

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<v Speaker 3>I hated. Oh really, I didn't want to see it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was about Pope and it was directed by a

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<v Speaker 3>director whose last movie was on my tin worsters. I

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<v Speaker 3>did not want to see that movie at all. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad.

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<v Speaker 2>I well, I anytime you. And obviously what the movie's

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<v Speaker 2>about is the Pope dies. And basically the whole movie

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<v Speaker 2>takes place in the Vatican, so there's not a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of car chases here, if you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>The cast is tremendous, lift guy's great. Tucci's great in

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<v Speaker 2>anything finds Out Unbelievable, una believable.

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<v Speaker 3>He is great.

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<v Speaker 2>I think right now he's the best actor.

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<v Speaker 3>He won't win, but he'll get nominated. I'm pretty sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who do you think will win?

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor Isabella lost the movie. She's fun her her big one,

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<v Speaker 3>big scene is a lot of funnels.

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<v Speaker 2>She was greater. It was great to see her back

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<v Speaker 2>in there. But the ending, which you know, here's the

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I will say, and it's the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>with this show, The Diplomat I've been watching. The one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that the writers have been doing is they've really

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<v Speaker 2>done a good job being unpredictable. And that's hard to do, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>that's hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, it is quite hard to do. And also it's

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<v Speaker 3>not it's frowned upon if you are unpredictable. You know

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of movies, they don't want you to be unpredictable.

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<v Speaker 3>They want you to give the audis exactly what they want,

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<v Speaker 3>and that could be exceptionally born.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but here's the deal. Though. You know my wife,

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<v Speaker 2>who's a very bright woman, she's an executive. She graduated

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<v Speaker 2>with a four oh in college. She she loves predictable.

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<v Speaker 2>She watches Law and Order and I said, how why

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<v Speaker 2>do you watch? And she goes, I work my ass

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<v Speaker 2>off all day, and she said, I just want a show.

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<v Speaker 2>I like Murusky Hardegay, they're going to wrap it up

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<v Speaker 2>at the end. The good guy wins, and that's all

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<v Speaker 2>I want. And you're right, and some people want that,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it's fun. Sometimes it's fun, that's what you want.

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<v Speaker 2>But like to surprise you, which they've done with the diplomat,

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<v Speaker 2>which they certainly have done with Conclave, I think is

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<v Speaker 2>just it's it's hard to do, man. And here's the

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<v Speaker 2>other thing that's hard to do, is it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>pull it off and make it believable. Because sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>could say, oh, well you know this happens, and you go,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not buying that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, see when you mintioned the diploma before. The first

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<v Speaker 3>thing I thought of was disclaimer, which I did sit through,

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<v Speaker 3>which has the thing that's supposed to surprise you, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's absolutely the most imposterous, stupid thing. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>why I don't I'm glad on a film critic because

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of times when you RSTV critic, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to sit through all these I used to do recaps

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<v Speaker 3>for TV shows, you have to sit through all the

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<v Speaker 3>episodes and then do something like that. Or the show

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<v Speaker 3>is bad, you have to stick with it regardless of

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<v Speaker 3>how bad it is. And it's like a bad episode

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<v Speaker 3>every week, and it's going to drive wall. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>all little time free time because I'm seeing all these

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<v Speaker 3>movies in it, all this other's gonna have to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to pick and choose that I want to

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<v Speaker 3>commit my several episodes or something too, you know. And

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<v Speaker 3>and sometimes I mean like Suscussion I watched, and there

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<v Speaker 3>are a couple of the shows that I watched. But

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<v Speaker 3>for the most part, I don't have the luxure of

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<v Speaker 3>didn't do something, you know, wasting my time and then

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<v Speaker 3>doing something right.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I didn't realize that, Odie, we're out of time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been great talking to you. We'll do it again.

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate your time in your spare time. The

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<v Speaker 2>Diplomat on Netflix. Trust me, Okay, I will watch all right, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to go have a nice holiday. Thanks you too,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, Odie Anderson, Boston Globe film critic readom what

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<v Speaker 2>a great talk Tony V my buddy his life and

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<v Speaker 2>stand up comedy coming up next to WBZ