Speaker 1: It's Nights with Dan Ray. I'm don you easy, Boston
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Speaker 2: Well, thanks a lot, I appreciate it. We are going
Speaker 2: to talk some movies here coming up. Can't wait. You
Speaker 2: guys know I love this stuff. Boston Globe film critic
Speaker 2: Odie Henderson. I have to say quickly. I mean, and
Speaker 2: now I may have mentioned it. I was watching the
Speaker 2: highlights on TV as the Celtic came back and beat
Speaker 2: the Bucks one eleven to one oh five, and I
Speaker 2: thought the Celts were in trouble but outscored him sixteen
Speaker 2: to six in the final six minutes. And the Celtic
Speaker 2: team is something else. Okay again, joining us right now
Speaker 2: from the Boston Globe, Odie Henderson, Odie, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Okay, So holiday movies and we're gonna start with that,
Speaker 2: but I've been I gotta get your thoughts on some
Speaker 2: other stuff coming up. But the one thing I wonder,
Speaker 2: how come recently recently and I haven't seen Red One
Speaker 2: yet with the Rock and Sudbury Masterson, Chris Evans. How
Speaker 2: come there are no recent great holiday movies? Or am
Speaker 2: I wrong?
Speaker 3: Well? You know Red One would have been better if
Speaker 3: it had less action in it. There's a really good JK.
Speaker 3: Simmons performance that he Santa Claus and the rock is
Speaker 3: fun when he's being exasperated. I think Chris Evans, Chris
Speaker 3: Evans is the weak link in the movie, but it's
Speaker 3: not very good. I think because there's a glut of
Speaker 3: a holiday movie, you know, and they have a brand now,
Speaker 3: we have the Hallmark movie has a lifetime movie now
Speaker 3: necess of getting involved with Hot Boston and a bunch
Speaker 3: of Ruther movies, we all hit a certain cratertieria and
Speaker 3: that criterteria isn't good. So that's probably why we also,
Speaker 3: you know, are for a specific audience. But my mom
Speaker 3: likes to watch them, and I know a lot of
Speaker 3: peage girls like to watch them as well. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying it is all just a girl, but it seems
Speaker 3: to be that that's the case. They all have this
Speaker 3: cookie cutter of things. Earlier movies seems to have have
Speaker 3: more flock, a different variety of plots, and then the
Speaker 3: current ones too because if you look at it, I
Speaker 3: said in my review of Hot Frosty, it was just
Speaker 3: the pornographic movie plots. When he took all the sets
Speaker 3: stilled in the spot for ninety minutes and it basically
Speaker 3: is what these movies turned out to be. So they're
Speaker 3: not for me, but they're now the market.
Speaker 2: So oh, I mean, Odie, they're on in my house
Speaker 2: all the time. Are you talking about Hallmark right?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're on in my house all the time.
Speaker 2: My wife. Listen, my wife works her tail off. She
Speaker 2: works very hard during the weekend. She just likes to
Speaker 2: have they're brainless. We all know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: The best thing about Hallmark movies right now is the
Speaker 2: parodies that are on social media. The parodies are hilarious.
Speaker 2: You know, woman returns from the big city, sees the
Speaker 2: old boyfriend running the inn. They fall in love. She stays, well,
Speaker 2: she go blah blah blah. But there's definitely a market
Speaker 2: for it. But I agree, they're not for me. But
Speaker 2: like my wife, they're just brain candy. I mean, she
Speaker 2: just you know it's there. But this brings me to
Speaker 2: another point is that you know, like you mentioned like Planes,
Speaker 2: Trains and Automobiles, which is a Thanksgiving movie, or you
Speaker 2: can go to the Santa Claus or you go to
Speaker 2: a vacation Christmas vacation. Those are all comedies. People don't
Speaker 2: know how to write a comedic movie anymore.
Speaker 3: They don't. And there have been some funny movies that
Speaker 3: have been up, you know, over the past couple of years,
Speaker 3: but it seems like the market for that has gone down.
Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to get a good comedy. Maybe
Speaker 3: there were some good comedies that were out that were
Speaker 3: slightly launcher than maybe something that we families feel friendly,
Speaker 3: but they're they're out there. The problem is that they
Speaker 3: can barely get you know, a theater right right right
Speaker 3: on Netflix or something like that, and they get lost
Speaker 3: because of.
Speaker 2: What is a good comedy film, not series film that
Speaker 2: you've seen.
Speaker 3: A good comedy lost. Wow, I think about.
Speaker 2: That, well, I tell you, I thought I thought Knives out.
Speaker 3: There's more of a mystery than a comedy. I'm thinking
Speaker 3: of something that's straight and broad, you know that that's
Speaker 3: a good comedy, like the the Jennifer Lawrence comedy that
Speaker 3: he's done last year. I thought that was pretty funny.
Speaker 3: But again it's this is not this. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: think of something family friendly.
Speaker 2: Right right, right right, Yeah, it's not happening. I think
Speaker 2: it's been replaced by Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 3: I suppose that there may be some truth to that.
Speaker 2: Which totally bums me out. I mean completely bums me out.
Speaker 2: So so as far as let's let's and we all
Speaker 2: know the good ones, but let's start with like, what
Speaker 2: is the worst Holiday movie that you've ever seen?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Well, that's see he scrooged Bill Murray.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, I mean, and I love Murray's great Yeah,
Speaker 2: I I I hear you that they missed on that one.
Speaker 3: That's great in that Carrol Kane is very, very funny
Speaker 3: in that. But the movie is except with the distance
Speaker 3: and then at the end where you know, Bill Murray
Speaker 3: breaks the fourth wall. I was talking to the audience,
Speaker 3: but that's when I was just like, I wanted to
Speaker 3: get up the league. Yeah, thirty eight eighty eight West
Speaker 3: at time. Wow, I just did not like that. Obvious
Speaker 3: that made my least favorite Christmas movie. But I could
Speaker 3: think of the top of my head that that is
Speaker 3: that is loved by a lot of people. So I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get in trouble.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen And when I watched this, my
Speaker 2: wife was like, what are you watching? I think it
Speaker 2: is so over the top and it's it was on.
Speaker 2: I think it was a Netflix movie at first, and
Speaker 2: it did so well. I think it went into the
Speaker 2: theaters and it was called Violent Night with David Harbor.
Speaker 3: Oh right, Yeah, David Harbor was kind of the ban
Speaker 3: of My Assistance a little while and all these very
Speaker 3: bad movies. He was a ghost of the earnest movie
Speaker 3: he was. I mean, that wasn't bad. I thought that
Speaker 3: was kind of amusing. I think it was particularly good,
Speaker 3: but it was better than I was expecting it.
Speaker 2: Well here it is. It's way over the top and
Speaker 2: might I mean, okay, so just in case anybody doesn't
Speaker 2: know what we're talking about, you should check it out.
Speaker 2: Here's David Harvey plays Santa Claus and he goes and
Speaker 2: he you know, he shows up and John Leguizamo is
Speaker 2: playing the bad guy who has taking a family hostage
Speaker 2: because they have a lot of money and avoulved. So
Speaker 2: then Santa Claus turns into a combination of like Jackie
Speaker 2: Chan and Bruce Willis and starts blowing I mean the
Speaker 2: one part where he ties that guy up in the
Speaker 2: middle of the lawn with Christmas lights and then blows
Speaker 2: him up with a grenade, and he's Santa Claus and
Speaker 2: I was watching it and I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: know whether to laugh or be appalled. But that movie
Speaker 2: did really well. It did.
Speaker 3: It did really well, which if you think about it,
Speaker 3: forty years ago, nine to eighty four, in fact, there
Speaker 3: was a movie called Stara Knight Badley Night. In fact,
Speaker 3: Cisco Neebe is an entire show like ambassying the people
Speaker 3: who made it. And it was a movie where standa
Speaker 3: class had acted. He was chopping up everybody. Oh, they
Speaker 3: showed a commercial. Never forget this. My sister was traumatized
Speaker 3: by this commercial. Stanta Claus chopping down the door, done
Speaker 3: this commercial to get whoever was behind it. And they
Speaker 3: actually pulled the commercial from the air because it was
Speaker 3: traumatizing kids. And now you got Violent Knight where Stanta
Speaker 3: Claus is the good guy because he wasn't really Stanta
Speaker 3: Claus because the maniac and this movie actually is Santa
Speaker 3: Claus and he's blowing people up, and you know he
Speaker 3: belongs on Annoysies.
Speaker 2: So times have changed, well, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2: And I think that the comedies or you know, I
Speaker 2: think it's almost like the comedies and dramas. It's like
Speaker 2: a commit drama. These I think, and I think they're
Speaker 2: all series, you know. I mean, I mean if you
Speaker 2: talk to you talk to some people about oh my god,
Speaker 2: I just succession. So you know, I've talked to some
Speaker 2: people or even some of the writers on that shore.
Speaker 2: I've heard them say that there's comedic elements in that,
Speaker 2: you know, where it's almost combined where you don't have
Speaker 2: the straight comedy anymore like you would with like a
Speaker 2: Three's Company or whatever, but you have it's a it's
Speaker 2: a combination of the two. I mean, even I'm my
Speaker 2: wife and I are hooked on The Diplomat. Have you
Speaker 2: watched The Diplomat? It's on Netflix, Dude, you try. You
Speaker 2: got to watch it. It's worth your time. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: It's really smart. It's a TV series and it's really smart.
Speaker 2: And there's also some comedy mixed in. Watch the first
Speaker 2: two episodes, Okay, and then I think you're that what's that?
Speaker 3: Who is the star of It's.
Speaker 2: Carrie Russell, who was in Yeah, I've heard of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking about something else. I haven't watched it,
Speaker 3: but I was in the wrong neighbor in terms of
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, look there's a lot going on,
Speaker 2: you know, I understand that, but she I mean it
Speaker 2: is and it just had an ending which is like
Speaker 2: an unbelievable just oh my god. No, I'm not gonna spoil.
Speaker 2: I don't worry about you. You need to. You need
Speaker 2: to check it out because it's it's wow, it's it's
Speaker 2: a ride. Uh.
Speaker 3: We're gonna take a quick break before you go in
Speaker 3: for a south there we're talking about is the real
Speaker 3: that's uh a Christmas based kind of similar movie, like
Speaker 3: what which about Thetaclaus is being held for ransom? And
Speaker 3: it's a it's a I think it's a Dutch movie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's really really good. It's a lot offul.
Speaker 2: It's not for kids, you know, I got it. It's
Speaker 2: not Charlie Brown's Christmas. It's you know, it's not Rudel's
Speaker 2: you know, bumbled Boughs. We got more with Odie Henderson
Speaker 2: talking about holiday movies and all other things. Gary and Beverley,
Speaker 2: we're gonna put you on too, coming up next, Gary
Speaker 2: Tang for Dan Rag.
Speaker 1: This is Nightside Now. Back to Dan Ray live from
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Speaker 2: Okay, talking to holiday movies, TV, just good stuff like
Speaker 2: we'd like to watch on the screen. That's a Odie
Speaker 2: Henderson joining usrom the Boston Globe. Garyan Beverly is a thought. Gary,
Speaker 2: you're up on WBZ.
Speaker 4: Hey, I don't Gary.
Speaker 2: What's up? Buddy?
Speaker 4: Not too much? See that was as long. That's long
Speaker 4: enough they had commercially. I feel like it was calling Comcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, kid, I know.
Speaker 4: You guys forgo out a important movie, Bob Bill Goldberg.
Speaker 4: Santa's Slay.
Speaker 2: I don't know what. Oh do you know that one?
Speaker 3: What was it against Dance? Say that's ready? Why at Olberg?
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's gotten the harrifying Gore movie.
Speaker 3: Wow, I tell you a lot. That's what I thought.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Santa's Slay s l a y oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a funny comedy. You know, Santa loses a bet
Speaker 4: and he has to be nice for so many years
Speaker 4: and then he finally it's over and he's going back
Speaker 4: to being a bad standswer again or something.
Speaker 3: Oh god, there you go.
Speaker 4: I can't believe if Buddy from the Globe doesn't like Scrooge.
Speaker 4: Who doesn't like Scrooge? That was a good movie, Bill Bert.
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, I mean it's an awful movie. I think
Speaker 3: it's incredible spirit and it's one of those things that
Speaker 3: you know, the Saturday Night Movie, a live movie. Talking
Speaker 3: about Michael o'donneg you wrote through a Longhow that nasty
Speaker 3: of a character, that the humor of some of the
Speaker 3: skits were understand.
Speaker 4: The only the only classic screwge movie I really really
Speaker 4: like to watch it's a long movie is the one
Speaker 4: with Albert Finney.
Speaker 3: Not that's actually that was on TV a lot when
Speaker 3: I was a kid. I like, of course, I mentioned
Speaker 3: this paper a couple of years ago. I like mister Macgoose,
Speaker 3: Christ Carroll, and I like the most call the Alistair,
Speaker 3: the alicea simone which is way but which is like
Speaker 3: fifty one. I think the Fimmy one is seventy.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, but yeah, I mean the problem yeah, but
Speaker 4: see the problem with all these all these Christmas movies
Speaker 4: right now, the ones you want to show your kids,
Speaker 4: you get to pay for them. You know, they're on
Speaker 4: NBC or the CBS or whatever, the full commercials. And
Speaker 4: over the years they've they've slowly picked on every one
Speaker 4: of them for racial or anything they could think of.
Speaker 4: Back in the fifties when the things were made, they
Speaker 4: could pick on how they were made. Now, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, And it's pretty pretty bad the way
Speaker 4: they You know, they just traumatized all the old classics.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I missed Whinney had all the specials on for free,
Speaker 3: I mean TVs and pre form I think due. I
Speaker 3: spo a year without a Stanta Claus, one of those
Speaker 3: ranking bass that I grew up watching, was on the
Speaker 3: other day. And they always have these twenty four hours
Speaker 3: a Christmas Stories. They're talking about Christmas movies. They always
Speaker 3: do that every year, the twenty four hours of a
Speaker 3: Christmas Story, and they alst the twenty four hours of
Speaker 3: national influence. Christmas Vacation the only good vacation movie.
Speaker 4: Can I get sick of watch of the repeats? You
Speaker 4: know I'm saying, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Gary, thanks for the body. We appreciate it. I
Speaker 2: get our guest here is Odie Henderson or the Boston Globe.
Speaker 2: All right, so here's a question. Is Die Hard a
Speaker 2: holiday movie?
Speaker 3: Oh God, I had this argument the other day with
Speaker 3: somebody at a bar heard, Oh, they're just getting me
Speaker 3: in trouble. Oh de here die heard is not a
Speaker 3: Christmas movie. Christmas. It is not a Christmas movie. How
Speaker 3: it takes face for Christmas Eve that has very little
Speaker 3: to do with Christmas and going to a Christmas party
Speaker 3: that's the only tide of Christmas or whatever, so that
Speaker 3: it takes place on Chris. I love Diehard, don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong, love die Hard. I watched it the other day,
Speaker 3: but to me, it's not a Christmas but they always
Speaker 3: show it here, been that on Christmas Eve here and
Speaker 3: in New York. And I actually went one night Christmas
Speaker 3: to see die Hard and been knight. Uh, it's not
Speaker 3: a christ And I don't know. People are used me
Speaker 3: about that, but until you actually proved to me that
Speaker 3: there is a Christmas message of any regard in die Hard.
Speaker 2: Yes, odios in die Hard too, yippie kaye.
Speaker 3: Well, and he says that in every single one of them.
Speaker 2: Did he say that the first one too?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's where it came from the first movie.
Speaker 2: I forgot about.
Speaker 3: Remember Alan Rickman's character, He's he said, he calls him
Speaker 3: cowboy and who it says, mister Falcon, which is the
Speaker 3: cleaned up verse they would do on television, which just
Speaker 3: Larry right, right, right.
Speaker 2: Right right right right by the way. Who's you know,
Speaker 2: we had this to talk the other day. Who's a
Speaker 2: better villain than Alan Rickman? So good?
Speaker 3: Oh, he is so good in that movie. It's so wonderful.
Speaker 3: He was in a movie that's completely difficult, truly madly deep,
Speaker 3: that I love very much, and he made before. I
Speaker 3: believe he made die Hard. I think the year before.
Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite movies of his. But yeah,
Speaker 3: he gives good villain and so that all's in there
Speaker 3: good enough. Who people keep forgetting, you know the ballet answer,
Speaker 3: who is pretty much the last person to get shot
Speaker 3: and die off? But boy, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a good villain too. I'll tell you
Speaker 2: The thing about Rickman is I heard an interviewer or
Speaker 2: something where I mean, obviously he was a Shakespearean trained actor,
Speaker 2: you know London, you know, stage actor and so forth,
Speaker 2: and I think he just did the die Hard thing
Speaker 2: for the money. He just took the cash and then
Speaker 2: went back to doing Shakespeare someplace. And then obviously we
Speaker 2: saw what he did with the Harry Potter.
Speaker 3: Movies, right, and you know that's an even galaxy quest.
Speaker 2: Don't forget that I forgot about Galaxy Quest. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: I forget they of Galaxy Quest, which is why with him.
Speaker 3: From the front of my mind, I just thought that
Speaker 3: they were doing a restoration of it.
Speaker 2: So then Leath of Weapons not a holiday movie either.
Speaker 3: Lethal Weapons came out in January. They step.
Speaker 2: Oh, so it came out in January. But there's okay,
Speaker 2: all right, So.
Speaker 3: I mean this is a movie that begins with somebody
Speaker 3: jumping out of a window. I don't I wouldn't considered
Speaker 3: that a Chrystal movie aint any regards.
Speaker 2: Hey, I want to go back to die Hard, Diehard
Speaker 2: one or two because I love Diehard too.
Speaker 3: At the Airport, Dinar two is fun with John Amos,
Speaker 3: says the villain. You know, he's the bigger guy than
Speaker 3: you realize when you watch him on good Times. Uh,
Speaker 3: he was fun, but Diehard one is cracked. I mean,
Speaker 3: Diar two is a good sequel, and then Diehard three
Speaker 3: is and then the rest of them are just terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know that the rest were money grabs. Like
Speaker 2: what was the one where the cab comes out of
Speaker 2: the tunnel and goes sideways. That was like four I think,
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, I mean, he just couldn't turn
Speaker 2: down the money. Do you know the backstory with Willis
Speaker 2: becoming the star of die Hard? Was he the first choice?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: I don't think he was the first choice. No, I
Speaker 3: don't believe he was the first choice. You know, obviously
Speaker 3: he had it was Dinhard his second movie, his third movie.
Speaker 3: He had done a movie called Blind Date, which I
Speaker 3: think it's one of the worst movies ever made. Well,
Speaker 3: he was with Ian, he was on Moonline. I don't
Speaker 3: think he was the first choice. And it's interesting because
Speaker 3: you read the book that Dinhard is based on. It's
Speaker 3: absolutely awful.
Speaker 2: Real I didn't even know it was based on a book.
Speaker 3: Oh this, and so is Donhard with a Vengeance. I
Speaker 3: think this first and third one are based on a
Speaker 3: book by the same author. But it's not like John McClain.
Speaker 3: They rest They kind of took the book, like maybe
Speaker 3: the basic plots of it, and he was the SUSA
Speaker 3: wrote you know, everything else in it, and it's the
Speaker 3: framework of the book. Yeah, the book is complete. It's awful.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine I.
Speaker 2: Can't imagine anybody playing John McClain.
Speaker 3: Neither, because he's going well. See the problem I have
Speaker 3: with Dinhard's too, is that now he's a superhero. And
Speaker 3: Donard One, you're with him, like you really feel like
Speaker 3: he's an every man. He's walking around barefoot, pulling glass
Speaker 3: at his feet. You feel like, even in the most
Speaker 3: super ridiculous things he was doing in that movie, you
Speaker 3: never lose sight of that he's just an average Joe.
Speaker 3: Where Donhard too, he is James.
Speaker 2: Thoms, Yeah, you're right, and he's the reluctant hero in
Speaker 2: Diehard One, like he does not want to have to
Speaker 2: do this. It's and you feel that right, but no
Speaker 2: one else will do it. So he says, well, hell,
Speaker 2: I gotta.
Speaker 3: Do it right, Toby, I mean, Diard's is again as
Speaker 3: a classic. By the way, real quick, I'm ashamed of myself.
Speaker 3: And you're asked you about a comedy of help this year.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I didn't say hundreds of beavers.
Speaker 2: I haven't even seen it. What is it again?
Speaker 3: Hundreds of beavers? Which I actually made them, let me
Speaker 3: review it in the paper. Hundreds of beavers. He's on
Speaker 3: TV now, it's everywhere. It's it's the latest midnight movie.
Speaker 3: I will call it crazy. It's a black and white,
Speaker 3: mostly silent movie. Basically, if the Resonant was a Looney
Speaker 3: Tunes cartoon. Wow, there's a beaver and it's a guy,
Speaker 3: and everybody that's the beaver is dressed in a mascot
Speaker 3: call costume and there's like a gag every three seconds
Speaker 3: and it's it's spectacular. You have to get up really
Speaker 3: early to make me not know what's happening next to
Speaker 3: the movie. They can completely like wonder what's coming and
Speaker 3: going on, And this movie did it for me and
Speaker 3: it's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I'm sorry. Great to be my daughter, my
Speaker 2: daughter was watching a movie on TV the other days,
Speaker 2: to be making a run.
Speaker 3: To be is to be staved my butt when I
Speaker 3: was writing my book. Because there are movies that are
Speaker 3: on TV there are nowhere else in the universe. But
Speaker 3: Toby has its own like series of made for TV movies.
Speaker 3: So I mean, were you go to was watching? But
Speaker 3: to be is you know, yes, you'd be surprised, but.
Speaker 2: Well, it was a bad. It was a bad. It
Speaker 2: was a really bad like love story. I would call
Speaker 2: it like a really bad like Dawson's Creek, you know,
Speaker 2: one of those. Like no, it wasn't a series, but
Speaker 2: it was a maybe it was a series. Or a
Speaker 2: movie and her and her friends were watching it and
Speaker 2: it was like that type. But you know, it's something like,
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen sixteen year old girls watch you know,
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, like a bad Outer Banks or
Speaker 2: a bad something, you know, something like that, And I go,
Speaker 2: what are you watching that?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 2: She goes to be. I went to be. I went,
Speaker 2: I got, what the hell is that?
Speaker 3: It's free?
Speaker 2: Wow? Well, yeah, dude, you speak in my language. All right,
Speaker 2: we have to talk about we have to talk about
Speaker 2: home alone. I also want to talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: Cloney and Pitt trying to get back together. I got
Speaker 2: to get back to the Chris Evans thing too on
Speaker 2: that because I do want to talk about it because
Speaker 2: I think he's done some good stuff and I'm kind
Speaker 2: of rooting for him post you know, Captain America. That's
Speaker 2: all coming up here on w b Z Odie Henderson
Speaker 2: or the Globe. It was with this movie right back.
Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, back here Tucket movies, holiday movies, and just movies
Speaker 2: and TV in general, with Odie Henderson joining us from
Speaker 2: the Boston Globe. Okay, a bunch of things now I
Speaker 2: have to write down because I have so many things
Speaker 2: running through my head. Home Alone is Home Alone the
Speaker 2: best Christmas movie ever?
Speaker 3: No, No, Fourth Street's the best Christmas movie ever? In
Speaker 3: nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, wait a minute, Odie, Odie, Odie,
Speaker 2: I hear you. Miracle at thirty fourth Street, you know,
Speaker 2: the one with the new one was pretty good too,
Speaker 2: with the guy from the Practice.
Speaker 3: I don't think I saw that when the Roly roommate
Speaker 3: I saw was since you're bringing up on Alone was
Speaker 3: written by John Hughes and had Richard Attenborough, with which
Speaker 3: that's pretty bad. And then also, don't forget David Hartman
Speaker 3: good winning Emerica back in the seventies. He did a
Speaker 3: version of Before She Me movie. So this point you're
Speaker 3: talking about it, know what, what's this?
Speaker 2: You know it might be the Attinborough you might have made.
Speaker 2: It might be the Attinborough one that that you don't
Speaker 2: like it. Oh my god, I just I blinked on
Speaker 2: his name. For God's sakes, I gotta look it up.
Speaker 2: But anyways, go ahead, Miracle at thirty fourth Street. You say,
Speaker 2: that's who played Santa Claus in.
Speaker 3: That one, Edmund Gwyn and He won the Oscar for.
Speaker 2: It Get Out yep, Wow.
Speaker 3: And it also won the Screen Day Oscar.
Speaker 2: No kidding, Well, I can't falter for that one. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's a great.
Speaker 3: It's a great great screenplays. My favorite Christmas leave but
Speaker 3: Home Alone eight Christmas movie. It's funny because Chris Columbus directed,
Speaker 3: and Chris Combus let's have a thing against Christmas because
Speaker 3: he wrote Grimlins. They said about Christmas movies that are violent.
Speaker 3: He wrote Gmins, he wrote, he had that part that
Speaker 3: I think it's hilarious. But the pebe K speach you
Speaker 3: about why she believe in Santa Claus. He seems to
Speaker 3: have an in for Chris.
Speaker 2: I've never seen Gremlins, really, I know, and every and everybody,
Speaker 2: everybody shakes their head when I tell them. I mean,
Speaker 2: like Robert Producer, he's got it's one of his favorites.
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. I just haven't, you know.
Speaker 3: I just had more of the other Gremlins too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I haven't even seen Gremlins one, so I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's gonna happen.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: Dylan McDermott. Dylan McDermott was in the one that might
Speaker 2: be the same one you're talking about.
Speaker 3: No, No, that's a different one.
Speaker 2: I thought that was the other one. Okay, you know
Speaker 2: the one Christmas movie that I thought recently was was decent,
Speaker 2: but they went to the well too often and Netflix
Speaker 2: did it, and they did a part too, Kurt Russell
Speaker 2: and Christmas Chronicles one wasn't terrible?
Speaker 3: Is Kurt Russell Santa Claus? Yeah, I'd be interested in that.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: I got to tell you the reason you got to
Speaker 2: watch it is they it's really good, that the script
Speaker 2: is pretty creative. And he also does a song in
Speaker 2: the jailhouse because they throw him in jail. And he
Speaker 2: also because you know, he loves to do Elvis too.
Speaker 2: Russell likes to do Elvis, so he doesn't come Don Carpenter.
Speaker 3: He did all he played over John Carpenter.
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right he did. And he also was
Speaker 2: in what is it three Thousand Miles from grace Land
Speaker 2: with Costner, which wasn't it should have been a better
Speaker 2: movie than it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he was gonna save that money.
Speaker 2: But after god, yeah, I mean no, I know, but
Speaker 2: I remember going to the movies wanting to love that movie,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, damn. And I mean I
Speaker 2: just heard like Costner had a cut, Russell had a cut.
Speaker 2: They were fighting him at what you know when it
Speaker 2: went to crap. But yeah, you know, I thought it
Speaker 2: was gonna I was really disappointed. But yeah, Christomas Chronicles, folks,
Speaker 2: check ou out on Netflix. That's what. That one's not terrible. Now.
Speaker 2: I love Goldie Han, but did she missus clause? And
Speaker 2: they made a Christmas Chronicles too? And they went to
Speaker 2: the well once too often? I do, Yeah, they just
Speaker 2: you know, they went to the will too often. The
Speaker 2: other one, the other thing I wanted to talk about
Speaker 2: was Chris Evans because I root for the guy because
Speaker 2: he's from Sudbury, mass He's a local guy and he's
Speaker 2: trying to get rid of the Captain America thing and
Speaker 2: I get that. I saw him and ghosted, which I
Speaker 2: thought was overdone. You know when people do One of
Speaker 2: the problems is when you do a comedy and you
Speaker 2: do like violence and they go over the top, like
Speaker 2: killing one hundred guys, it kills it. You can't there's
Speaker 2: only gross point There's only one gross point Blank, which
Speaker 2: was one of my favorite dark comedies of all time.
Speaker 2: And you know when you when when you when you
Speaker 2: next thing, you know, when you know you're blown away,
Speaker 2: like one hundred guys, you got to just like go
Speaker 2: the leath weapon route and maybe it would be better.
Speaker 2: So I didn't think that worked. But I thought he
Speaker 2: was great in the face ended Jacob, and I thought
Speaker 2: he was great and gifted. Did you ever see Gifted?
Speaker 3: No, I'm just looking up Ghosted, I said, I reviewed.
Speaker 3: I reviewed Ghosts. I'm pretty sure I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you think of it?
Speaker 3: It happened, I'd be cool. I'm not liking it, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't like it either, and I wanted to.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was a little it was a
Speaker 2: little too inside baseball over the top, you know. But
Speaker 2: like he was, I thought he was great in defending Jacob.
Speaker 2: The series they shot here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: Well, I have a question for you. You just see
Speaker 3: the movie he directed.
Speaker 2: I didn't. Which one is that?
Speaker 3: It's called Before We Go. Here's the funny thing, you know,
Speaker 3: I covered Toronto Film Festival. You know, I do it
Speaker 3: for the Globe, but before I was at the World,
Speaker 3: I did it for rogerrievery dot com where I used
Speaker 3: to be a critic at. And it's uh, I saw
Speaker 3: that Toron'sman. I really really liked it. It's called Before
Speaker 3: We Go and it's twenty fourteen, I think, or twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: I did you know what? I did see it? I odie.
Speaker 2: I did see it, and I loved it.
Speaker 3: It's it's before it's a rip up before sunset, but
Speaker 3: it takes place in and he and Alice Alice Eve
Speaker 3: is it. They're both really good and I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: And it disappeared. I didn't know what happened to be.
Speaker 3: But sometimes you see movies at festivals and they don't
Speaker 3: get a release, or they get a release a year later,
Speaker 3: or just they did disappear. So it's a movie I've
Speaker 3: liked that must of it again, and I had never
Speaker 3: heard of it any more, but we brought it up
Speaker 3: before I thought about it. It is the only movie
Speaker 3: he directed, and then he does a good job. So
Speaker 3: I don't know why he didn't do any more movies,
Speaker 3: but he's directed behind the camp. I guess I think
Speaker 3: Captain America may have dragged him away from that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it probably did listen to certainly paid the bills,
Speaker 2: But you know, I just think that I thought he
Speaker 2: was great and defended Jacob. I thought he was great
Speaker 2: and gifted. Gifted's good if you could check that out.
Speaker 2: That's what he plays like an uncle to as a
Speaker 2: niece nephew that is intellectually gifted like and he has
Speaker 2: to deal with that. And it's a really good movie.
Speaker 2: But you're right before we go, what's that?
Speaker 3: He's great in light Year movie out down Hill. I'll
Speaker 3: dye on that. I think it's a good movie. He's
Speaker 3: buzzed light Year and light Year.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. I didn't see that one. So you
Speaker 2: know another one where I want. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you saw it on Apple TV Clooney and Pitt and
Speaker 2: Wolves that they're marketing the hell out of. Have you
Speaker 2: seen that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I reviewed it. I reviewed it. I liked it.
Speaker 2: You did like it? See, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't finish it. What did you like about it?
Speaker 3: I think it's fun. I think it's very silly and
Speaker 3: I had a good time. You know, I'm looking at
Speaker 3: it has to do my tenth best list through Monday.
Speaker 3: Let's through tuesdays. They had to see rocks to on Monday.
Speaker 3: He made them homes of the Day. Because I'm going
Speaker 3: through I'm looking at the database of all my grades
Speaker 3: cheer as they're talking, and I remember giving it three stars,
Speaker 3: which I did. I thought it was fun I think
Speaker 3: the two of them for what it was, it worked well.
Speaker 3: But but it's funny because when I saw the movie,
Speaker 3: I already know when they were doing a sequel before
Speaker 3: it even came out. So the bitch stasting was from
Speaker 3: this which you didn't get to you because you didn't
Speaker 3: watch the whole thing. They had no effect because basically,
Speaker 3: you know, but one little for pushing past in the
Speaker 3: sun there kids, people haven't seen the movie. That's freaking
Speaker 3: fifty something years old. They die, right, and it looks
Speaker 3: like Cloney and Pitt are going to die at the
Speaker 3: end of this movie because it has they're running out
Speaker 3: like seven hundred people were gunns. But Apple say the
Speaker 3: first movie they came out that they were doing this,
Speaker 3: were they were going to come back and do it.
Speaker 3: That kind of ruined the ending for me totally, because
Speaker 3: I might have given it a slightly higher grade if
Speaker 3: I thought that was the actual end?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: So was it?
Speaker 2: You know what? Now, Well, I'm gonna watch it. I
Speaker 2: got it. I think I got thirty minutes to go,
Speaker 2: so I'm going to finish it, so it kind of
Speaker 2: like a Sundance Butcher Sundance type of ending. Yeah, ohkyl, well, hey,
Speaker 2: I got to check that out. And of course, you
Speaker 2: know Pitt with DiCaprio in the Hollywood movie Might Oh God,
Speaker 2: that name just escapes me. Tarantino directed.
Speaker 3: Hollywood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was terrific. I mean, that's that's like one
Speaker 2: of my my my top five.
Speaker 3: Uh that's so. You know Anora, a woman from Anora,
Speaker 3: Mikey Madison is in that movie. Isn't one one? Once
Speaker 3: a why a simon Hollywood? You know, I'm notoriously Uh,
Speaker 3: I didn't like it. I said, it's two thirds of
Speaker 3: a very good movie. And I explained why why didn't
Speaker 3: you like it? I mean I didn't hate it. Again,
Speaker 3: it's two and a half stars, which is not hate,
Speaker 3: but that's two thirds of a great movie. That that
Speaker 3: scene where the life's won and Los Angeles maybe the
Speaker 3: best thing that Chance ever directed. But the problem is
Speaker 3: that this is too this is too macult level. You know,
Speaker 3: Tim taking on the Nazis and the Glorius Fast or
Speaker 3: taking on Flavory and Genue Chain. That's macro. You're talking
Speaker 3: about a person who you know was killed and he's
Speaker 3: basically sure is going to stay as a pretty white
Speaker 3: girl in this film. It's two Michel. You can't really
Speaker 3: do so it doesn't work. This is a real person,
Speaker 3: Charry take was a real person, because they're better than
Speaker 3: what she was given in this film. You can't rewrite
Speaker 3: history on that. You know that that granular eleven and
Speaker 3: I think that's why I threw me about the entirely,
Speaker 3: but also the last third of it is absolute garbage.
Speaker 3: So I know I was the popular opinion on my part,
Speaker 3: but I you know, I didn't get into this business
Speaker 3: like I'm a fake. I'm a critic.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, it's not a popularity contest. That's an
Speaker 2: interesting take. That's a really interesting take. All right, Oda,
Speaker 2: can you hang out for one more segment?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Okay, Odie? Here Anderson is with his Boston Globe talking movies,
Speaker 2: Holiday movies, movies in general, plus tednan Quincy as a
Speaker 2: question for Odie. That's all coming out next here on
Speaker 2: wbz's Night Side.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 1: Light Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Welcome about Gary in for day and Tonight. Odie Henderson
Speaker 2: Boston Globe, talking movies, TV, all that stuff. Joining us.
Speaker 2: We'll go to Ted and Quincy. He's got a question. Hey, Ted,
Speaker 2: thanks for calling WBC. You're a knight side.
Speaker 3: Good evening.
Speaker 2: What's up? Ted?
Speaker 5: I had never heard anybody never heard? Have you ever
Speaker 5: watched twenty fourth Street with Danny I L and Elick Zanne?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 5: Do you think that's like a Christmas movie?
Speaker 3: Street? It's yeah, I remember seeing it. That was a
Speaker 3: long time ago.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Kenny l Elik Isamne was that Frank Delinjello whatever?
Speaker 5: When he's a kid, you know, when he's young. Movie
Speaker 5: starts out with him throwing snowballs, a really good Christian
Speaker 5: kids throwing snowballs at the church and the priest wants
Speaker 5: to you know, they police arrest them and he brings
Speaker 5: them in. He says father, he goes he's a good Christian.
Speaker 5: What are you gonna let him go? And he goes hy.
Speaker 5: You know, It's that's how the movie starts, right.
Speaker 2: It's Christmas, all right, Ted, Greg.
Speaker 5: Christmas and on the whole movie it's Christmas. You know
Speaker 5: everybody he needs hey, kid, Chris, you know the thing
Speaker 5: even at the you know, anyways, Danny Iello story.
Speaker 3: You wasn't twenty fourth It's twenty ninth Street, is it you? Sure? Well?
Speaker 5: I haven't seen it in the years because my brother
Speaker 5: wouldn't give me the movie back.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what you need to think it was?
Speaker 2: That's just unfair, Ted, But we appreciate the call. Ted,
Speaker 2: thanks for coming. I did have a chance to go.
Speaker 3: I'm going to watch it again. Thank you for recommend me.
Speaker 3: If everybody didn't enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I did do a movie with Danny Iello, really I did. Yeah.
Speaker 2: A friend of mine, Frank's Yoda. He had a movie
Speaker 2: called Stiffs that was shot in the North End and
Speaker 2: he needed a newscaster, and I went down and I
Speaker 2: worked with them for a couple of days. He was
Speaker 2: He was great. He kind of fell into acting. He
Speaker 2: wanted to be a baseball player. Then he fell into
Speaker 2: acting and he got into it late. And then the
Speaker 2: first time I remember him was moonlighting, not moonlighting, moodstruck. Moodstruck,
Speaker 2: and you know, then he took off. Yeah, he was
Speaker 2: great to work with. I had a blast with him.
Speaker 2: If Frankie, they did a great job of this movie.
Speaker 2: Uh it was. It was a great premise where the
Speaker 2: funeral homes in the North End. They were being overtaken
Speaker 2: by corporations. So for this family owned just single funeral
Speaker 2: home to stay in business, which i Elo ran. They
Speaker 2: started killing off mobsters, so the rival gangs would kill
Speaker 2: each other, which was good for business. Okay, I got
Speaker 2: yees stiffs. So that's and that's that was my Danny
Speaker 2: i Ello experience today.
Speaker 3: I saw the first time I saw.
Speaker 2: Oh that's another good What did you think of Newman?
Speaker 3: I do you think you get a bad I love
Speaker 3: his wife more. I think his wife's a better actor.
Speaker 3: And he would also agree with me that Johann Woward
Speaker 3: is a better actor.
Speaker 2: Oh, he totally would. He totally would. I wonder if
Speaker 2: he got a bad rap of always playing the same guy.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think he's played the same guy, because
Speaker 3: the guy he plays in The Verdict is not the
Speaker 3: guy he plays in Kolan Luke No, or.
Speaker 2: The Guy which is a movie for Hub or chat on.
Speaker 3: The Hodson Roof, or any of these movies that could game.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not like I mean, as much I
Speaker 3: love Jack Nicholson, there's always a bit of Jack in
Speaker 3: all of his movies, right, That's true. I'm the same
Speaker 3: with Paul Newman.
Speaker 2: What about Road to Tradition.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't care for that. I think he's
Speaker 3: good in it, but I didn't particularly care for Tom Hanks.
Speaker 2: Is a villain does not work them strong, It doesn't work,
Speaker 2: and they tried to make him a good villain. And
Speaker 2: Daniel Craig, I mean, Daniel Craig was in that movie
Speaker 2: that was his coming out party. I mean that's where
Speaker 2: everybody said, who's this guy? The problem with that movie
Speaker 2: is they put in the Jude Law character with the photographer,
Speaker 2: and I think that it all got metal muddled up.
Speaker 2: Today I watched Conclave. Have you reviewed it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I did. I viewed it from SIF and I reviewed
Speaker 3: it in the paper when they came out as well.
Speaker 3: Did I love conc.
Speaker 2: What'd you think? Without giving okay, folks, cover your ears?
Speaker 2: What did you think of the ending?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: You know, when I saw at Toronto, I was I
Speaker 3: went to the critics screening, and critics screening is notoriously.
Speaker 3: We don't we don't respond. I didn't laugh something funny,
Speaker 3: but you don't really like you try not to show
Speaker 3: your emotions. That the critics screen is kind of silly.
Speaker 3: But people gassed at my screening. We won't say what
Speaker 3: the ending is. People gasp. And I had not heard
Speaker 3: people gass at a critic screening since Creaked, which is
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen or thirteen and fourteen. So yeah, no, I
Speaker 3: I love. The ending was great. Apparently I didn't know
Speaker 3: it was a book until after I seen the movie.
Speaker 3: I had to be dragged to that. The last thing
Speaker 3: I wanted to see was the Pope. Those sort of
Speaker 3: stuff I was dragged to. And I was glad I
Speaker 3: was dragged to it because it's not it's a lot
Speaker 3: of fun. And I hated that director's last movie, I'll
Speaker 3: find in the Western Front. It was on my wors.
Speaker 3: I hated. Oh really, I didn't want to see it.
Speaker 3: It was about Pope and it was directed by a
Speaker 3: director whose last movie was on my tin worsters. I
Speaker 3: did not want to see that movie at all. And
Speaker 3: I'm so glad.
Speaker 2: I well, I anytime you. And obviously what the movie's
Speaker 2: about is the Pope dies. And basically the whole movie
Speaker 2: takes place in the Vatican, so there's not a lot
Speaker 2: of car chases here, if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: The cast is tremendous, lift guy's great. Tucci's great in
Speaker 2: anything finds Out Unbelievable, una believable.
Speaker 3: He is great.
Speaker 2: I think right now he's the best actor.
Speaker 3: He won't win, but he'll get nominated. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who do you think will win?
Speaker 3: Doctor Isabella lost the movie. She's fun her her big one,
Speaker 3: big scene is a lot of funnels.
Speaker 2: She was greater. It was great to see her back
Speaker 2: in there. But the ending, which you know, here's the
Speaker 2: one thing I will say, and it's the same thing
Speaker 2: with this show, The Diplomat I've been watching. The one
Speaker 2: thing that the writers have been doing is they've really
Speaker 2: done a good job being unpredictable. And that's hard to do, dude,
Speaker 2: that's hard.
Speaker 3: Now, it is quite hard to do. And also it's
Speaker 3: not it's frowned upon if you are unpredictable. You know
Speaker 3: a lot of movies, they don't want you to be unpredictable.
Speaker 3: They want you to give the audis exactly what they want,
Speaker 3: and that could be exceptionally born.
Speaker 2: Well, but here's the deal. Though. You know my wife,
Speaker 2: who's a very bright woman, she's an executive. She graduated
Speaker 2: with a four oh in college. She she loves predictable.
Speaker 2: She watches Law and Order and I said, how why
Speaker 2: do you watch? And she goes, I work my ass
Speaker 2: off all day, and she said, I just want a show.
Speaker 2: I like Murusky Hardegay, they're going to wrap it up
Speaker 2: at the end. The good guy wins, and that's all
Speaker 2: I want. And you're right, and some people want that,
Speaker 2: and that's fine.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's fun. Sometimes it's fun, that's what you want.
Speaker 2: But like to surprise you, which they've done with the diplomat,
Speaker 2: which they certainly have done with Conclave, I think is
Speaker 2: just it's it's hard to do, man. And here's the
Speaker 2: other thing that's hard to do, is it's hard to
Speaker 2: pull it off and make it believable. Because sometimes I
Speaker 2: could say, oh, well you know this happens, and you go,
Speaker 2: I'm not buying that.
Speaker 3: Well, see when you mintioned the diploma before. The first
Speaker 3: thing I thought of was disclaimer, which I did sit through,
Speaker 3: which has the thing that's supposed to surprise you, and
Speaker 3: it's absolutely the most imposterous, stupid thing. And this is
Speaker 3: why I don't I'm glad on a film critic because
Speaker 3: a lot of times when you RSTV critic, you have
Speaker 3: to sit through all these I used to do recaps
Speaker 3: for TV shows, you have to sit through all the
Speaker 3: episodes and then do something like that. Or the show
Speaker 3: is bad, you have to stick with it regardless of
Speaker 3: how bad it is. And it's like a bad episode
Speaker 3: every week, and it's going to drive wall. So it's
Speaker 3: all little time free time because I'm seeing all these
Speaker 3: movies in it, all this other's gonna have to do that.
Speaker 3: I have to pick and choose that I want to
Speaker 3: commit my several episodes or something too, you know. And
Speaker 3: and sometimes I mean like Suscussion I watched, and there
Speaker 3: are a couple of the shows that I watched. But
Speaker 3: for the most part, I don't have the luxure of
Speaker 3: didn't do something, you know, wasting my time and then
Speaker 3: doing something right.
Speaker 2: See, I didn't realize that, Odie, we're out of time.
Speaker 2: It's been great talking to you. We'll do it again.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate your time in your spare time. The
Speaker 2: Diplomat on Netflix. Trust me, Okay, I will watch all right, dude,
Speaker 2: we got to go have a nice holiday. Thanks you too,
Speaker 2: all right, Odie Anderson, Boston Globe film critic readom what
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