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think as we're recording this, the NBA Finals are still

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after this. And for anyone looking for if we haven't

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gotten to your team on the offseason, look aheads. One

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huge update, mort has agreed to help us finish those

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the draft aside from draft pickcap holes anyway. But rest

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things get up. With that little spiel out of the way, Mortz,

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Speaker 2: I am doing well. I've had another person reach out

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a market for scantily clad NBA analysis and that you

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need to corner it. That's what we've just learned from

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that list. Absolutely so as a reminder, we will each

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I'm excited to get started and we'll begin alphabetically, just

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like always the Boston Celtics. More nothing going on there, right,

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what's your big question for them?

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Speaker 2: Well, are they gonna take a gap year or are

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we looking at a small tear down? I mean we

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know that well we don't really know because it hasn't

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been said out right, but we suspect that Jason Tatum

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is going to miss the entirety off next season. That

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would track all things considered, because that's a gruesome injury.

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to attack this. Are they basically going to say, well, look,

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we're gonna sign someone to like to like hold us

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over for that one year, or are they looking at

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this as sort of an opportunity to say, maybe we

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start going in a different direction, maybe we start saving

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some money Jalen Brown, like perhaps he's not as unavailable

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on the on the market. Like that's something that you'll

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get into later. I just want to know, like what

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is their mindset in all this. Their best player is

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going to miss presumably all off next year, that's not

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an unsubstantial element, Like that's pretty significant. So what's the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look mine's the same, so we'll just attach

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it to it. Is will Derek White and or Jalen Brown?

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is interesting about this situation, and especially what you're saying.

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Celtics fans or just some people will say, oh, fuck no,

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and they try and compete without Tatum. Maybe that happens.

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but here's the thing. I think Jason Tatum's gonna come

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back and still be an all NBA level player. But

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you're not just talking about next year. You are talking

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he needs to come back, what does he look like?

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player right away. That'd be great. I'll hope for it.

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longer term like terms, just to say, Okay, if this

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age of Derek White. Look at how much Jalen Brown

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is owed, and look, we're talking about cutting salary. Let's

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throw some numbers out there. This team is twenty five

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plus million dollars into the second apron when you're factoring

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in their draft pick, and that doesn't include oh, do

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both of whom are free agents, And that means if

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they wanted to duck the tax entirely more, we're about

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shaving more than forty million dollars at that point. From

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the bottom line, it's like you're gonna need to trade

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some pretty sizable salaries. And the reason I think White

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and Brown's names come up is, you know, for Jalen Brown,

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all NBA type player on a massive deal, Derek White

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just a little older. But it's also because is the

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Drew Holiday contract. I think a lot of people might

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consider that it's underwater the Christops porzingis contract. It's a

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big number, even though it's expiring, and even if you're

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that because then it comes off the books next summer

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rather than moving him for these smaller salaries that might

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trickle in to twenty six, twenty seven. It's a very

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complex situation. I don't know what they're gonna do. I

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know what I would do. What would you do if

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you're like, are you just pulling the ripcord on the

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jail and Brown? Such as, like if you're or you

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identifying multiple players of this core that you think should

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be shipped out, how are you approaching this?

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Speaker 2: If you're Boston, I'm open to a lot of different pathways.

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but I can build something for the future where I

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for you know, cap relief that just set him to

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Brooklyn for number eight, right, Like, no, I need I

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need something in return. I need to do something here,

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myself to build something around Jason Tatam moving forward. Yeah,

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mean it's a risk because you don't really know how

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he's gonna look after he returns. But if I can

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get off the Jalen Brown contract and I can get

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something interesting in return, I'm not definitely not closing that door.

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that's what, not half of what he makes now, but

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like totally willing to just like, oh, you want him, Like,

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can we just get off of this one? Sure? Fine,

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attach an asset to Drew Holliday or do you think

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there's a team that would be willing to Maybe you're

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not gonna just get his contract off, but they would

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team will look at and go thirty two point four

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million this year, thirty four point eight million next year,

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and then there's a player option when he's like half

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a billion years old for forty seven point two million.

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lot of money when you look at where he's at, a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of money for a guy who's thirty five, and like, look,

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he's so good. I'm not gonna sit here and say

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he in isolation isn't worth the money. That's not what

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are this expensive and they handcuffed themselves dramatically by being

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for Jason Satum. Then Holiday is gonna be thirty seven. Then, really, like, honestly,

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him as count of the asset to get Drew Holiday off,

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but we're still getting value in return. The question I

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it automatically become Jalen Brown or Drew Holliday if you

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are looking to duck the second apron or do you

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think they're more likely to say, we'll move one of

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those other guys and then we'll figure out how to

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Speaker 2: I would assume it's Jalen Brown for another reason as well.

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Finals MVP last year. But I think it's fair. I

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think it's fair Dane to say that he did not

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have a like whatsoever. And I think it's fair to

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say that even though he did one did win the

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finals MVP last year, the totality of last season wasn't

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fantastic either. Like there are some elements to his game

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where I think the Celtics can like look at him

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and go, is he somewhat expendable? Like can we manage

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But when Jason Tatum returns, he's gonna be the primary scorer.

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Maybe even facilitator will see, like what kind of standard

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he's going to be in. But Percincas, if he's still

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a round, he can get you buckets. He can get

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you a lot of numbers. Derek White, you can scale

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his roll up. Peyton Pritchard has proven you certainly can

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scale roll up. I'll even be willing to say that

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more minutes and just be more of an offensive factor. Now,

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are they going to have a team where their top

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eight or nine guys are all like elite two way players. No,

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we're just like the Alpha. Oh, make a two way

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see what Jason Tatum is. If he comes back and

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he is anything less than he was before, that's where

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it's are you just finding with a draft pick or

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a diamond in the rough someone who can make up

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that gap over the next two years. Maybe I'm also

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curious as to you know, we're talking about contracts, but

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his I don't know how favorably that's gonna be viewed

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around the league. I think this season I'm willing to

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give him somewhat of a pass just because I know

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he was dealing with the with the knee stuff, but

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like he's not getting he's not old, but he's not

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getting younger, and like that contract he's on the Supermax,

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like that's gonna have to be that'll be a consideration

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for for other teams. So I think, yeah, if he's

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put on the market, I absolutely think teams like Houston Portland,

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all phases of their development, will absolutely Maybe even the

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Spurs don't love him there. I mean, anyone's a good

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fit next to Wenby. But like if you're just with

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the spacing issues with Fox and you know, maybe castle

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end or Harper there, I think there'd be a market.

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ton for him. I just don't. I need to see

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the offer. But then you're also getting like you're not

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gonna say I mean, you're probably not gonna save the

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twenty five plus million in one deal unless he's going

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to the nets. So like how many teams are involved?

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to see what the market is, because I do think

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I tend to lean with you that if they view

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this as more than a one year project, I would

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just trade Jellen Brown.

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Speaker 2: Right If they could somehow turn Jalen Brown into sack Levine,

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that would be interesting.

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Speaker 1: What does that serve? So you're only saving like let's

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just say ten million bucks or what not even that

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next year?

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Speaker 2: Like what is that that's the thing, So that would

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be the step one right like, because if you go

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that route and you say, oh, we bring in another

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high priced guy, yeah, you'll probably be looking at making

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additional moves. But at the very least Levine who can

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play off of better players. Let's just call it what

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it is. Kim and Tatum I think would be a

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more more cleaner fit, especially with the three points focus

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and possible as well, So like you can, you can argue,

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do we want to take the ten million dollars less

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per year, which by the way, does have dramatic luxury

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tax implications, So like you do, shape those off for

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a potentially better fit for Jason Tatum, and then you go, Okay,

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we found a cheap alternative to be like the quote

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unquote number two guy. Now it's time to see if

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we can share ourselves from other contracts. And that's when

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Drew Holiday you shot him around like your armania. Although

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it can who's gonna take that deal? I have no clue.

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Speaker 1: I've honestly, if I was Dallas, I would take a

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look like if it's Gafford plus, what's the second form

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of out going money? I think I was. I think

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PJ Washington's probably viewed as more of an asset than

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Drew Holiday, especially at his salary and he's expiring. But

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that would be a team that I think Drew Halidy

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makes a lot of sense and coming first of all,

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imagine a defense that has him, Davis and Cooper flag

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on it just insane, Derek Lively as well, h and

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then he can with the ball handling responsibilities until Kyrie

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gets back, and he fits with Kyrie when he comes back.

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But again, that might be a situation where you're giving

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Dallas a first round pick. To do that, you probably

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you probably have to.

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Speaker 2: I well, I mean it's Nico Harrison, so who knows.

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Speaker 1: Also true, I've been trying to think of Jalen Brown

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destinations Memphis, like they have stuff now and like they

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could cobble together salary, they have Cole Anthony Colwell, Pope

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and then if you want, like would they give up

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a Jalen Wells, Like you talk about getting a player

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who's super cheap and could.

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Speaker 2: Help even know what Memphis is trying to do? Like no,

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it feels like there's another shoe to drop and we

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don't know what that shoe is.

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Speaker 1: So I do I don't think they're trying to rebuild

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unless Jaron Jackson Junior says, I'm not extending with you.

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But that being said, they did just trade an expensive

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Desmond Bine. I don't think they're gonna try and go

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get a more expensive Jalen Brown. So that's why I

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ruled out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I I'm not putting it besides them to

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like actually pivot off of John Morando and Jaron Jackson

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Junior this summer. Like I'm not saying it's gonna happen,

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but I don't think any door is closed in Memphis

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because let's let's be real. Let's just be real. And

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I know we're talking about Boston, but what is ultimately

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your ceiling with John Morandon Jared Jackson Junior.

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Speaker 1: As I look, I think they who made this parallel

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I can't even remember and I want to give him

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credit for it, But like the Grizzlies feel like they

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just decided to be the magic Predesmond Bain trade where

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it's sort of like good but like not really going

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to get ten for anything special.

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Speaker 2: You'll have a point guard who can't shoot and a

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big man who can't rebound. That's great man, great starting

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point man.

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Speaker 1: The Grizzlies fans in the YouTube comes, we're not happy

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with your thoughts on Jared Jackson Junior. I don't know

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what I guess we did the Southwest.

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Speaker 2: I'm critical often, I really am.

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Speaker 1: But he like if he's gonna get the max, which

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it seems like they're the other thing there. This is

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not a Grizzlies pot, but this seems like they're prepared

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to dump more money so that they can give him

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a raise. They don't have to give him technically until

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next summer, So yeah, you should be critical of him.

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You don't what a team and there'd have to be

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a third team configuration here. But the basis of this

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money and it's not gonna save Boston anything, like at

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least not a boatload. They'd have to send out another

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contract in addition to Jalen Brown. What about some type

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of construction with Miami where it's Tyler Hero Wiggins stuff

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for Jalen Brown contract X.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting because then you split him into those two

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deals that you can kind of move individually, and like,

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obviously Miami gets the better player, and that's a team

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that is notorious for not wanting to tank. I can

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get behind that that's fun at the least, I mean,

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does it make Miami significantly better? I have my doubts.

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Speaker 1: I would look excuse me. I think if you keep

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Tyler hero in a trade for Kevin Durant, which they

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should absolutely be trying to do, I really don't even

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know like how much better that makes Miami. And you're

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shortening your window to like two seasons or whatever it

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is at least with Jalen Brown, and I'm out of

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bio and I'm assuming you could probably get maybe you

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can't keep Khalil aware like your window is just a

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little bit more open, But I would be Miami just

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seems impulsive enough to do that. I wouldn't do it

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if I'm then because okay, Bam and Jalen Brown excellent,

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the hell are you left with exactly? So that would

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be my concern, ye any other Jalen Brown. I do

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think if Derek White's available, I see some people say

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like they might be able to get two first round

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picks for him. I think they get three if they

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make him available at least the equivalent like a player

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and two picks.

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Speaker 2: Right, like a player who's worth the first Yeah, maybe

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that's also like the card that they have to play right,

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because if you can actually get let's think an expiring

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contract that's a little worth a little less than twenty

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eight point one he's learning right now, and then the picks,

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and if you then make some additional moves, like where

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you shave off a couple of millions for guys going out,

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I mean I think they need a target, like how

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how much lower do the Boston ownership want payroll to be?

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Like how many minims do they want to shave off?

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Because in this year, this summer, rather this offseason, it's

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not going to be easy.

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Speaker 1: No one has money, No your best bet is just

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like so we know the new salary matching rules for

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teams below the first apron, they're just more flexible. So

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when you're dealing in the Derek White range, I think

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I actually go to a seven and a half million

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more you could take in I think one of my

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editors just messaged me saying it was eight and a

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half now, So I mean, if that's true, it's like,

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let's use Houston as an example. If they wanted Derek White,

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he's making what is he twenty seven to five next year,

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It's like you could take back nineteen million dollars in money,

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and so maybe that's it, you know, do they is

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it as sign and trade with Fred van Fleet? Like

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they're giving you other stuff and Fred van Fleet's like

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decide maybe he commands more than nineteen million. Those that

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might be a bad example. But like if you can

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make a deal with a team and they only have

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to give you nineteen million dollars, like, okay, you've only

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saved eight and a half million from there, but now

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you have the smaller contract, can you move that for

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someone who's even cheaper? Like there could be a massive

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trickle down effect for that. Yeah, anything else on these Celtics,

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But I think though that's like it's kind of a

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one question with a bunch of different layers to it

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for them.

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Speaker 2: Yep, No, I think we're good.

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Speaker 1: What do you have to say about the Brooklyn Nets.

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Speaker 2: Well, so I want them to go back to their

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trolling days. Remember when they handed out offer sheets to

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virtually every free restrictive free agent under the sun.

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Speaker 1: Let's see how many we can name Otto Porter, Alan Crab,

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Tyler Johnson.

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Speaker 2: There we go, Tyler Johnson. That was the one I

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was thinking about as well. It just couldn't place the name.

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Thank you. They did someone else, right.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember, but they did. Those were three like

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really big ones like remember troll jobs, right, great troll

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jobs kind of like with and then Danny Ainge followed

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suit in Utah with that Paul Reid offer sheet two

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years ago.

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Speaker 2: That's fun. That is good. I mean, look, why not

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when you when you're the only team with money? Why

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the fuck not?

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Speaker 1: I have an answer to that, okay, because when you

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look at the restricted free agency market, I feel like

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there's a pretty good chance the Nets would win whatever

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bid they put in. And so it's like that eBay

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thing where it's you better put in a max bid

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that you're prepared to pay, otherwise you're gonna be stuck

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with Josh Giddy at one hundred and you know, twenty

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million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, they wouldn't be that dumb. They wouldn't

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be that dumb.

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Speaker 1: Well, who's the restricted Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: You have Jonathan Kubinka, Like at least there's some interesting

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like there's some interesting upside there. I think you and

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I agree. He hasn't exactly been in the right system

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for a while now, Like there there hasn't been a

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lot of faith in him, and and like that's not

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to put everything at the feet of Steve Kerr and

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the coaching staff there. He also obviously has some responsibility

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in how his development has somewhat stacknated. But there is

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talent there, considerable talent. I think we can agree on that. Like,

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he's very productive on a permanent basis. Would it be

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that it reaches if they hinted him an offer sheet

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in the mid to late twenties.

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Speaker 1: And like four for one hundred, you're thinking how much

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four for one hundred?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't hate that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about them too, is it's kind

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of the Ace Bailey conversation where it's you can put

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this player on the nets and you know they're going

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to get the ball. And I think Jonathan Kaminga very

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much needs the ball on offense to just actualize like

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the best version of himself and then maybe he can

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flesh out the complimentary parts of his game a little

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bit more from there. So I think I'd be comfortable

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with them doing that.

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Speaker 2: And like you're really forcing Golden States to make a

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call there.

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Speaker 1: Right, because it's like with them, you have to think

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about what they're paying Draymond and Steph and Jimmy Butler,

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and then you can say, all right, it makes sense

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to preserve the asset. But you better believe as Golden

476
00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:02,039
State where Jonathan Kamena's role is going to be different,

477
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,359
but you better believe that his trade value at least sustains,

478
00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:09,279
because there's there's I'll say this, I think if he's

479
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:11,400
on the books for four for one hundred, there's a

480
00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:14,759
very good chance that deal looks a lot better if

481
00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:16,759
he's a member of the Nets versus if he's a

482
00:23:16,759 --> 00:23:19,799
member of the Warriors, just because of the the gap

483
00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:20,519
in what his.

484
00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: Roles would look like, and technically there would be money

485
00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:26,680
left to troll another team afterwards.

486
00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: But like, who is who are they? Like you want

487
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,119
to troll the Grizzlies for Santi al Dama?

488
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 2: I just did you know I was going there?

489
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,559
Speaker 1: Well, because there's not a lot of free RFAs like

490
00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:38,599
that are really worth something this year.

491
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: No, but like I love that, that was the guy

492
00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:42,720
immediately that.

493
00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:46,839
Speaker 1: Was I love I love me some Santi so same same.

494
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,279
Speaker 2: That and look, you can play the center spot. I

495
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:53,279
don't hate that at the four al Dama, the five I.

496
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,599
Speaker 1: Don't mean good luck getting stops and rebounds, but sure.

497
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 2: Look, look it's fun. You can run all night long.

498
00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:04,279
Speaker 1: Jordi Fernandez will figure it out. I have confidence in him.

499
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: Right exactly.

500
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,319
Speaker 1: They could be if they wanted to. They could be

501
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,920
just that scenario that you mapped out. I might just

502
00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:17,599
fuck around and say, all right, we'll play Cam Johnson, Claxton, Aldama,

503
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:21,599
and Kamingo all once about how huge that lineup would.

504
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: Be spacing what the hell? Never mind?

505
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: Well, well, in theory, three of those four shoot, like

506
00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:32,200
Nick Claxton is the only one that wouldn't take like jumpers, So.

507
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:33,799
Speaker 2: That's true, will shoot.

508
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: Question is if it's preseason, they might go in too, So.

509
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,799
Speaker 2: That's that no. But like I just want them to

510
00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:44,920
go out there and trol the everlasting shit out of teams.

511
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it's you could in theory do the same

512
00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:52,839
in unrestricted free agency to where I think agents do

513
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,759
this a lot, where they might say that the nets

514
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:57,599
are registering interest in I'm just gonna like a Trey

515
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,599
Jones like to try and drive up his market, But

516
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,920
like the Nets, could they could really show interest in

517
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,119
somebody and be like, well, what can we force this

518
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,279
team to pay for so and so, like it doesn't

519
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:10,200
necessarily have to be just urfas in large part because

520
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,240
that market is just so depleted right now.

521
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,039
Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if they put an offer in for

522
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,480
Kiddie though, I'd be absolutely floored we.

523
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:20,599
Speaker 1: Could, they'd be worried that they'd win it. But it's

524
00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:23,200
also the bulls. And really, first of all, you don't

525
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,680
need to troll the bulls because they troll themselves exactly like.

526
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: You won't even have to worry. They're just like, no, like,

527
00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:32,200
we wanted the Bulls to have a high payroll, but

528
00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:34,200
you know what, they're going to figure that out themselves.

529
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:35,039
It's fine.

530
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:39,079
Speaker 1: If you're the Nets, would you consider just because of

531
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,960
the kminga discussion, like if you get the sense that

532
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,599
Golden State is gonna match, do you value kaminga enough

533
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,000
to where you might want to engage in a sign

534
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,559
and trade talk with Golden State rather than go the

535
00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:52,799
offer sheet route, And say, I mean, giving up Cam

536
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,720
Johnson seems steep for a player that you could in

537
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:57,000
theory pay out right, But maybe there's something with they

538
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,960
have a bunch of those late first rounders two in

539
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,119
the twenties, the you know, the bottom five.

540
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,079
Speaker 2: So what you're really asking me is, would I be

541
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,480
willing if I'm in the Brooklyn Nets.

542
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: To give up a late first round pick or maybe

543
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:11,680
two late first round picks, you know in the twenties.

544
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,759
They'd be this year's picks. I'm not giving future picks.

545
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: Would you be warning to pay them out right instead?

546
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:22,039
Speaker 1: Well, it's you versus giving him an offer sheet and

547
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,400
maybe just not getting like I'm asking, is your interest

548
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,720
in Comingo purely rooted in We just want to troll

549
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:29,920
with Golden State and if they don't match it, we'll

550
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,960
take Kmingo. Or is it you're actually interested in Jonathan Comida.

551
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 2: Oh? I think they could be interested, But like you could,

552
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,079
you could. Two things can be true at the same time.

553
00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:41,039
You control the everlasting shit out of them, but still

554
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,920
want him where you're like, hey, look, we're willing to

555
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,599
go up to a certain level. We're betting that the

556
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,880
Warriors aren't, and we're gonna take it from there. If

557
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,559
we lose Kamenka, Okay, that's a tough thing. But like,

558
00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:57,440
we can go in a different direction. We can pivot,

559
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,640
we can go Santil Dama instead, we can go to

560
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,319
a different player out of position. Quentin Grimes, for example.

561
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:07,640
So also by the way, just control this.

562
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:11,559
Speaker 1: Oh that would be that would be a very interesting one.

563
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,839
Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate that Quentin Grimes. There.

564
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,799
Speaker 1: Do you know what two names I would find fat

565
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,920
Just the teams that you would be trolling. That's why

566
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,319
I find it interesting, brook Lopez, just to see if Milwaukee,

567
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,400
like how high is Milwaukee? Like they keep saying they're

568
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,440
gonna be aggressive and they have all this flexibility, let's

569
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,759
test that. And then the other guy who's actually a

570
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:33,640
pretty good fit for the roster just given his age

571
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,359
and the stuff he does, Nasried has that player option. Oh,

572
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,440
that'd be just like you put those feelers out there

573
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,799
and be like, no, we'll give him twenty five Minnesota,

574
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:42,799
you get to match.

575
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,599
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I like that one. Nasri would be fun.

576
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,680
There a spacing center, and I could play.

577
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,519
Speaker 1: With Claxton if you really wanted him to.

578
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:57,279
Speaker 2: But also to overtake the position when they inevitably sent

579
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,119
Nick Claxton to the Lakers.

580
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, Oh, I don't. I don't mind

581
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,960
the Lakers as a destination for him.

582
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,799
Speaker 2: Not on me either, that makes sense.

583
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: My question for them kind of steps on as it's

584
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,039
like the opposite of are they actually gonna be in

585
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:14,039
the business of whether it's by trade or free agency

586
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,359
signing or taking on players with multiple years left on

587
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,240
their contracts, or are they gonna look to conserve space

588
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,720
for the deadline and next summer? And I say the

589
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,720
deadline because that would be a real market inefficiency. Is

590
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,279
if yeah, we know they have to hit the salary

591
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:30,799
floor now, but like if you have cap space, like

592
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,319
any flexibility whatsoever around the deadline, like that's a huge

593
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,759
market inefficiency because no other team is gonna have that.

594
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:42,079
I think in Brooklyn's case, they have the ability like

595
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,160
if they just said we don't want to pay cam Thomas,

596
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,880
they can get like eighty million dollars in cap space basically,

597
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,559
well like without blinking an eye. So you could just

598
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:52,640
split the baby and do both, like yeah, we're gonna

599
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,519
give out like forty million dollars and then like we're

600
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:56,440
gonna because you have to hit the salary floor anyway.

601
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,279
But I'm just curious because they very clearly didn't take

602
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:04,359
on any multi year salaries through this trade deadline. When

603
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,039
you look at the Dentis Shuter trades and the door

604
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,519
Anfhony Smith trades, and so it just had me wondering,

605
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:11,319
as they're kind of going through what people assume is

606
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:13,599
more of an accelerated reboot because they don't own their

607
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,960
twenty twenty seven pick, might they just be open or

608
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:22,279
actively trying to still be this flexible or comparably flexible

609
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:22,839
next summer?

610
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,119
Speaker 2: Really good question. I think right now they have so

611
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,119
many pathways they can go where I think they can

612
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,559
pretty much afford to play everything by ear and they

613
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,319
know that if option A doesn't work out, okay, we

614
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:44,920
can pivot like these this team has so many pivot

615
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,759
ways that seems that are kept out just don't have

616
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:51,559
Like do I think they've talked about this. Absolutely?

617
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: Do.

618
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: I also think they've talked about being becoming like a

619
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:58,119
rental team, like oh, yeah, we'll take on this shitty

620
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,359
contract for you know, draft pied compensation. Absolutely. I think

621
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:05,799
there's so many avenues that they have opened that I

622
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:10,799
wouldn't close the door on trade deadline flexibility, especially if

623
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:13,720
trade the trade deadline is basically going to be the

624
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:19,119
new free agency slash pre agency. Yeah, Like, why wouldn't it,

625
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:20,000
Why wouldn't they?

626
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,279
Speaker 1: I was also curious if they would do if there's

627
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,799
an opportunistic not a Yannis situation, but if there's a

628
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,079
star or a fringe show that becomes available that's not

629
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:34,079
going to command as like isn't gonna get the the

630
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,519
Donovan Mitchell or even like necessarily the Desmond Bain specially

631
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,200
like let's use Trey Young as an example. I'd be

632
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,319
very curiously what Trey Young would get, like after what

633
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:44,319
Desmond Bain got from the Magic. But it feels like

634
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:46,920
Trey Young might actually net less for the hot Like

635
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,319
would the next woop in and say this is just

636
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,920
too good in terms of an asset for player coming

637
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,319
back thing to where yeah, we'll burn some of our

638
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:56,319
flexibility just to have this player in house and then

639
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,240
maybe at the trade deadline or next summer when another

640
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,640
star becomes avail. But you have an infrastructure built around

641
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,960
one star that might attract another and allow you to

642
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,680
make that call after having you know, integrating two higher

643
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,400
lottery picks.

644
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,119
Speaker 2: I mean, look, when when you're really looking at how

645
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,039
some teams are built, some teams, especially smaller market teams,

646
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:23,839
are identifying players who are undervalued in the sense that

647
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,119
they might not have a lot of trade value. They

648
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,759
might not be you know, tier one stars, but you

649
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,200
can get them for fairly cheap, and then you get it.

650
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,240
To get it, you know, you take a gample on it.

651
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,200
A team that comes to mind. Here are the Pacers,

652
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:44,960
like when they traded for Tyrese Halbert. I don't think

653
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,400
anyone saw this right, but like, and they gave up

654
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:51,279
Demats as a bonus, which, yes, that's a big chip

655
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,480
to give up, but obviously they got the better end

656
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:58,400
of the deal there with Siakam who if Memberciers, he

657
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:00,279
was also bound to be a free agent, so they

658
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,559
knew going into those negotiations. You know, Toronto didn't really

659
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:06,799
have a whole lot of arguments working for him, because

660
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,039
how can you ask for the moon for a guy

661
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,680
who's about to be a free agent? Right? That's that

662
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:16,079
just doesn't track. So like, smart teams will always find

663
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:21,319
a way to get multiple good players slash star adjacent

664
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:24,480
players or even hell even stars, and while their value

665
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:27,920
is pretty low, I assume that the Nets are going

666
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,599
to try to take a similar approach. Because they can't

667
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,559
absorb a ton of money, they do have picks they

668
00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:36,400
can send out, like they they have quality contracts on

669
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,440
their books that are also very very movable, and hell,

670
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,039
they can even get more draft picks if they want to.

671
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,119
Like if a team comes in and says, well, we

672
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,839
want A, B and C and they you know, the

673
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,119
Nets right now only have A and B, they can

674
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,799
probably get see by trading Cameron Johnson. So I'm just

675
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,079
with the Nets. I'm just at this point where the

676
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:01,400
world's their oyster. They can do whatever the fuck they want,

677
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:06,880
and the next twelve months are going to be so

678
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,119
goddamn crucial to the long term foundation that they are

679
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:11,880
going to be building.

680
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,119
Speaker 1: The final thing. I just want to close on them

681
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,880
with are there are any players, and obviously throw out

682
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,519
a few names to you, Like, let's just say teams

683
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:20,960
are either looking to facilitate other trades by sending in

684
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,119
salary or just in Boston's case, they're trying to cut salary.

685
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:25,359
I want to throw some names at you, and if

686
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:27,960
you're the Nets, would you just take these guys? No

687
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:34,640
asset required, Okay, Okay, Drew Holliday, No I needed an asset. Christophsporzengis,

688
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,720
I'll take him.

689
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:46,519
Speaker 2: Michael Porter Junior, Okay, I gotta have to look up

690
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:49,039
how much he's got left. I don't think it's that

691
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,119
many years.

692
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: Right, Like he just has he has the two left.

693
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:55,720
Now he has this upcoming season and the following two

694
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:56,799
years seventy something.

695
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: I'll take a gamble on Michael Porter Jr.

696
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:04,839
Speaker 1: Two years and eighty Sorry I was like two years

697
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:05,480
and seventy eight.

698
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,679
Speaker 2: But like, okay, what's my motivation here? Because like, what

699
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,679
is Denver just calling me up and asking me to

700
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,400
take him?

701
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:16,119
Speaker 1: Well, I think in that scenario, like with Boston, it's

702
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,320
they might just want to they're fine maybe getting off KP.

703
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:21,519
But with Denver, it's or trying to pull off another trade,

704
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:23,239
but the team doesn't want Michael Porter Junior.

705
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,119
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, so it's got to be like a

706
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,079
three team, like they were going to be a part

707
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:29,960
of a three teamer.

708
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

709
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, Sean Marx is too smart to

710
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,239
just say, okay, ok I'll help you guys out.

711
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,159
Speaker 1: I'm just asking in theory because if you're saying, like,

712
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:41,719
oh no, they would take him, then it's okay. They

713
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,840
might need to send out their twenty thirty two second

714
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,559
like it wouldn't be a sweetener.

715
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: That's crazy, Okay, that way now I get because every

716
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:51,880
team has to touch, all right, yeah, no, I will

717
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,400
probably take a swing on him.

718
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: Yes, Josh Hart.

719
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why not. He's like earning nothing compared to

720
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:01,400
what he does.

721
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,639
Speaker 1: I think that's we're not really gonna touch on it

722
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,800
with the Knicks, but that would be like if they

723
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,079
were actually interested in Josh Hart, that would be a

724
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:10,280
vehicle for the Knicks to think, like, hey, we can

725
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,000
save tm X a bunch of money. If the Nets

726
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,840
are willing just to take on Josh Hart twenty million,

727
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:18,159
he's not. I don't think he's a bad contract, but

728
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,199
he's not like he's a He's maybe a culture setter,

729
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,239
but he's not like if you're the Nets and you're rebuilding,

730
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,840
Josh Hart doesn't do much for you.

731
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't. But like, I'm getting a guy in

732
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,079
who takes up what first seen percent of the cap

733
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,280
and who's like a star in his role, and who's

734
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,880
like great in the locker locker room, who gives me

735
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:39,119
so much more, and I can probably ship him out

736
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:42,920
for like a couple of firsts after half a season.

737
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,079
Speaker 1: Yeah I do that, Grayson Allen.

738
00:35:48,440 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: No, there are limits. There are limits. Man.

739
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:07,639
Speaker 1: Oh that was good. I don't even want to go

740
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,840
on I just I think I'm just gonna I'm just

741
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,039
gonna stop there.

742
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: R J.

743
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:14,639
Speaker 1: Barrett, I am gonna keep going.

744
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would do that.

745
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: Kelton Johnson.

746
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: You know what, if you had asked me a year ago,

747
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:29,599
or hell, just seven months ago, I probably said it. No.

748
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:34,119
But I spent some time around the team in Paris,

749
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,079
and that dude from a locker room perspective is just fantastic.

750
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:46,400
His level of enthusiasm and positivity and buying. Yes absolutely.

751
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: Cole Anthony, Yes.

752
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: Yes, same. Everything I just said about Kelton applies to

753
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,159
Cole Anthony too. Great dude, great for the locker room.

754
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:01,840
I think he's fairly cheap. He's been underutilized. A great tone. Yeah, yes,

755
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,320
no hesitation, can.

756
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: Tavia's call out Pope?

757
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: No, sir, you need an asset what you're saying?

758
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:09,039
Speaker 1: Oh?

759
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

760
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: Here's here's an interesting one because I wonder if you

761
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,559
could guess the name. But because of his injury, he

762
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:19,199
in theory fits a timeline where the Nets want to

763
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,239
be bad next year, but want to be good in

764
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,119
twenty twenty six, twenty seven.

765
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: Wow, Jason's hatum.

766
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: No, I would need a few assets. I think de

767
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,519
Jontay Murray.

768
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: I hate that we've come to this, but I would

769
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,119
want assets interesting, Okay, yeah, No, I mean, look, it's

770
00:37:41,199 --> 00:37:45,119
it's a major injury. I love him, I really, I

771
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:48,320
really do think people have the wrong idea of him

772
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,440
as a player. He was so criticized in Atlanta, and

773
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:56,719
I'm just not sure why. I like that situation didn't

774
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,320
turn out to be as beneficial to him or the

775
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,239
Hawks as they both sides I think imagined. But I

776
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,199
think he took so much crap for a variety of

777
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,840
reasons that I don't really see being real at any stage.

778
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:13,639
I think he's a formidable player, but the injury situation

779
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,000
is just it's scarce the Jesus out of me. So

780
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:18,960
I have to ask for an asseid absolutely.

781
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: I So that would be the one that I think

782
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,719
so far is the only one we disagree on. Is

783
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,639
I would just take him because I think that the

784
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,920
extension is reasonable enough that I can roll the dice.

785
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: It is it is, I understand where that coming from.

786
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,039
But like, imagine if that's an injury that just lingers

787
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,480
for years.

788
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: And he has an ACL on his rear view too.

789
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:38,679
Speaker 2: Yeah? Perfect. Yeah.

790
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: The last couple of names here, Dylan.

791
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 2: Brooks without an asset, Yeah, that's twenty two million a year, right.

792
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's again, that's a player. Houston's

793
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,159
not looking at dump. It's just a part of another trade.

794
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: Now here is that's fine?

795
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,599
Speaker 1: Here's this one Jalen Green.

796
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: He's so young. Yeah, I'll swing. If I'm the Nets.

797
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,159
Speaker 1: Would I would do it and either hope that Cam

798
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,280
Thomas is really cheap or I'm just letting him walk.

799
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.

800
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: And then my final I guess too, just because Miami

801
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:21,280
would do some weird shit Duncan Robinson expiring at about

802
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,400
twenty hours guaranteed. Yeah, yeah, and then yeah, what about

803
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,440
Andrew Wiggins.

804
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,159
Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins is the type of player who is too

805
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,559
good not to just grab him. Like if I'm willing

806
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,360
to take on Michael Porter Junior for nothing, I'm absolutely

807
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,199
willing to take on Andrew Wiggins for nothing.

808
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: That I'm just kidding. I think there could be some

809
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,519
real opportunity for the Nets to do Andrew Wiggins probably

810
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:46,639
feels I'm like the super high end of that. My

811
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,840
point with that exercise was I actually think that there

812
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,000
might be some opportunities for the Nets to like make

813
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,599
out like bandits on the trade market, right, not just

814
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,280
talking about prospects and draft equity. But these guys that

815
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,239
they either keep around or they could reflip for something else.

816
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,159
Speaker 2: Yep, same. I think that's a marvelous plan, honestly, because

817
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:07,280
you know, if teams are desperate enough to dumb guys

818
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:11,199
in the pursuit of greater endeavors, you should be standing

819
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,880
right under them, being willing to grap whatever you can

820
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,079
because you know those guys aren't worthless. You can, like

821
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:20,480
you said, you can turn around almost immediately if you

822
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:24,360
want to and say, hey, now we have Andrew Wiggins,

823
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,639
come get in Boston for whoever.

824
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,039
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still just dying mostly on the inside

825
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:35,480
at this point at your reaction to Greatson Allen, that's

826
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,840
just look, I get it. Like his the extension seemed

827
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,039
like it was fun, but it was just like not

828
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,199
the deal that you kind of feel, all right, it's

829
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,159
like three years and what like sixty five million dollars

830
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,239
or something or it's not, excuse me, fifty five million

831
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,719
dollars left, whatever it is. So it just wasn't the

832
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,800
deal that I would expected that reaction from. No.

833
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a great it's not a big deal.

834
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:58,599
I just he's almost thirty. I don't think he's Yeah, yeah,

835
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:01,320
he's a good shooter. I will give him that. Does

836
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,760
he move the needle at all for anyone ever?

837
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: I think it's like a I mean, the one season

838
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,559
in Phoenix he certainly could have, but I think he

839
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,360
I'm trying to think he might be a touch overpaid,

840
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,039
but I think it's like kind of a shooter, and

841
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:21,119
then as someone who could make like he there was

842
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:23,000
some it wasn't so much last year, but the season

843
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:24,639
before I thought he played a lot better, like maybe

844
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:27,199
the best defense of his career there. So I think

845
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,039
he could be a needle mover, but he's not a

846
00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:32,320
substantial one. And if you could get rather one year

847
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,719
of Duncan Robinson as opposed to three years of Grace

848
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,639
now and yes, I clearly prefer now an interesting discussion.

849
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:39,320
Would would rather have Grace now in at three and

850
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,840
fifty five or Michael Porter at two and eighty? Be

851
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,760
interesting discussion?

852
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: But well, Mike, yeah, I'm that I'll lean size there always.

853
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: The Knicks moret what's your question?

854
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,039
Speaker 2: I mean it's the obvious question, right, how do they

855
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,159
acquire dept? We know that they have a starting lineup

856
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,559
that all played over for five minutes per game on TIPS,

857
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,880
So like that problem is probably going to solve itselves

858
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,760
now that that Tips is no longer there. But that said,

859
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:11,239
they don't really have a lot of quality coming off

860
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,039
the bench, Like Mitch is there, sure, Miles mcbridey is there, fine,

861
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,199
Cameron Payne.

862
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:24,079
Speaker 1: Free agent, free agent, free agent. If you believe the

863
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:26,880
Knicks have I'm not saying TIBs was perfect, don't. But

864
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,719
if you believe that the Knicks already have answers on

865
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,440
their roster like to expand the rotation, I question that logic,

866
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:36,199
just I do. I think Shamit could have helped them

867
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:38,199
more while he was injured for a lot of the season.

868
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:41,559
He proved he has Like I think you're basically saying no,

869
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:43,519
like Tim should have figured out a way to play

870
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:47,159
Pacomb Dottie or Tyler Kollak and they deserved more developmental reps,

871
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:50,880
which they're That's probably worth a discussion, But yeah, your

872
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,800
question is I think completely on point.

873
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the point of pacomb Daddy eight, right, I

874
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:01,000
do think it's inexcusable that he only god like what

875
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:04,920
one hundred and eleven minutes on the year, Like I understand.

876
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:10,559
I mean, look, I get it, but you have to

877
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,199
invest a certain like a certain amount of minutes to

878
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,760
a first round draft pick. Otherwise it's just a waste.

879
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,159
Why even bother making the selection? Then that's what I

880
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:24,320
want to know, Like he was the twenty fifth overall selection.

881
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,920
Are we gonna sit here and pretend like the Knicks

882
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,199
couldn't have gotten something interesting from the for the twenty

883
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,039
fifth pick last year?

884
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,599
Speaker 1: Wasn't look at some of the player weren't there a

885
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:35,000
couple of god Like, let's look at some of the

886
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,360
guys that were drafted after him, Like, couldn't you have

887
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:39,920
picked it? But again, what it comes down to, though,

888
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,360
is even if you're looking at so and so and

889
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,599
saying all the Knicks could have had him, you've kind

890
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:47,760
of touched on it where it's would they have played him?

891
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,119
Speaker 2: Oh no, No, I'm like saying other Oh sorry, I I

892
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:54,519
didn't flesh that out. Well. When I say other players,

893
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:56,679
I don't mean draft prospects. I mean you could have

894
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,840
traded the twenty fifth selection for a veteran, right like

895
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,199
you going to packaged that with some type of contract,

896
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:06,360
and you could have probably gotten someone else in there

897
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,000
who would have been a rotation player. But the Knicks opted,

898
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:12,800
you know, to keep that pick. Well, and I'm sure

899
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,039
there would have been some interest because a first round

900
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:18,679
draft pick that also comes with four years of team

901
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:22,039
control that is interesting for a lot of teams, even

902
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:25,519
if the twenty four draft was pretty shitty. So the

903
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:30,119
Knicks set to themselves, we are going to prioritize keeping

904
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,360
the twenty fifth selection and we're gonna use it for

905
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,039
absolutely fucking nothing.

906
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the part of it, is just if

907
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,920
you're going to trade it for a rotation player because

908
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,440
of the whole like McHale Bridges trade like they're operating

909
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,639
on fine apron lines. But what you could have done is,

910
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,360
could you have traded number twenty five in twenty twenty

911
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,280
four for another pick in twenty twenty five when you

912
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,320
really need cost control or even further down the road. Yeah,

913
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,599
they could have definitely done something like that. But hey,

914
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:01,920
maybe whoever they hires the next head coach comes in

915
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,679
and decides that Dottie is going to play more. And

916
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:08,559
I think fans are probably more peeved that Tyler Kohleik

917
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,199
didn't get more run. But it's just it's tough when

918
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:14,000
you're supposed to be a contender, and you and I

919
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,639
talked about this on a previous pod. The Knicks also,

920
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:19,519
relative to a lot of other contenders, didn't play a

921
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:22,280
lot of low leverage or medium leverage minutes, which is

922
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,199
PBP stats has this thing where those are the minutes

923
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,079
that influence the outcomes the least. And so in theory,

924
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,599
it's not just garbage time. I want to make that clear,

925
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:33,960
but in theory, like those are the minutes that you

926
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,039
could get away with developmental reps. And I think the

927
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,199
Knicks were in the bottom ten in the league in

928
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,440
the number of low, combined low and right medium leverage

929
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,039
minutes played.

930
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:46,639
Speaker 2: My question, yeah, go ahead. I was about to complain

931
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:48,800
that they didn't use marsh On boat Champ enough either,

932
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:51,760
Like I was just upset. I'm just upset on the

933
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,599
Knicks wind about this.

934
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: So I have I have many questions for this team,

935
00:45:57,159 --> 00:45:59,639
and my biggest question is can they convince Al Horford

936
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:02,280
design for the Mini MLLE, because I just I want

937
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:07,159
him there so badly. But my actual question to extend

938
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:10,400
or not to extend more So, I'm gonna throw a

939
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,960
couple We're gonna go through this player by player, and

940
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,719
we tackled this in their season look ahead, But this

941
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,719
will be a nice digestible for people won't like to

942
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,719
listen to the single team stuff. Karnthy. Towns is eligible

943
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,159
for a two year, one hundred and fifty million dollar

944
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:25,039
extension that would bring his total to five years and

945
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:31,320
like three hundred and twenty plus million dollars, So.

946
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: An extension could be for less than that as well.

947
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: Uh, let's you are, and I think what you're hitting

948
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,480
on is interesting is what they could also do. I

949
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:43,199
just don't want to like throw too much at subscribe

950
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,840
listeners whatever. If you could get him to decline that

951
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,280
sixty one million dollar player option he has and sign

952
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,480
a three year extension that is worth less on average

953
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:55,679
than he's making. Now, that gets interesting because you got

954
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,719
a plan around getting more expensive with We're gonna talk

955
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,119
about bridges in a second. Jalen Brunson sign a team

956
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:03,440
friendly deal, But when you combine him with og Ananobi

957
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:06,199
in Towns like it starts to add up.

958
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: If I can get Towns back on a three year

959
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,159
extension at the fun max number twenty five percent of

960
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:18,000
the cap, I'm hitting that, I mean, Oh.

961
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: Just does Towns consider the fun max? It does.

962
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: Now that's again I don't think he does. That's what

963
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:28,840
I'm saying, Like what I would do? I would because again,

964
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,599
why would I give him fordy or forty five percent

965
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:34,679
of the max which would kick in two years from

966
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,079
now when he's going to be what forty two, forty one,

967
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:39,119
thirty two?

968
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:40,519
Speaker 1: Pretty one, right, thirty two?

969
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 2: I think forty two? God know, although actually.

970
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,079
Speaker 1: You know you're not. I'm looking at this. So when

971
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:49,239
the extension would kick in, the twenty five percent max

972
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,559
number is over fifty million dollars, and so I'd initially thought,

973
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:55,199
I know he's eligible for two and one fifty, but

974
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,480
if your towns and his reps, you have to look

975
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,239
at this through the lens of the new CBA. I

976
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,840
don't think that town's in three years is going to

977
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,559
bring a no brainer MAX candidate on the open market.

978
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:08,639
And so if you offer him three for one fifty

979
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:11,480
rather than two for one fifty, which kind of aligns

980
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:13,920
with the fun max, like you're saying, it's probably it's

981
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,199
a little bit less actually, which is kind of wild.

982
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:21,320
That's you've now shaved. If it's flat, you've saved eleven

983
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,880
million dollars a season, which is won't even it's not

984
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,480
the context, but like that's additional wiggle room to like

985
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:31,440
either sustain this core make it easier to make other transactions.

986
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,000
And that feels like the number like or that I'll say,

987
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,280
that feels like the hypothetical where if I'm the Knicks,

988
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,280
I am thinking about an extension. Otherwise I'm just we

989
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,800
can deal with this next summer, like if at all.

990
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:47,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, if you get him for three years,

991
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:51,760
one fifty and like you said, keep the cat salary

992
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,400
like consistently flat over the course of three years, Remember this,

993
00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:00,119
the CAB is going to increase by ten percent, So

994
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:04,960
like that CAB percentage is going to get lower and

995
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:08,719
lower and lower. And that is I think it's going

996
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,440
to be one of the main priorities for every single

997
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,400
team moving forward in trying to like align the cap

998
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:19,559
because I think, like we shit on the bulls of

999
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:23,320
Ton and like, again, the Patrick Williams contract is horrible,

1000
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:26,199
but I do like the fact that they kept it flat.

1001
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,519
And I do like the fact that you kind of

1002
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:32,760
know what you're dealing with down the line. You're saying, Okay,

1003
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,039
this player is getting the same level of compensation three

1004
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:39,400
or four years from now, and we know the cab

1005
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,880
is going to increase, so like that actually gives us

1006
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,719
necessary wiggle room when it comes to that that same

1007
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,639
logic can be applied to Towns easily and by the

1008
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:52,199
time he's thirty two anyway, Yeah, you can probably get

1009
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:53,360
away with the fun Max, right.

1010
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. I'd be I'd just be curious.

1011
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,559
I don't even know that I might hear from the

1012
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:01,119
next time. I I want it to be lower than that,

1013
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,880
like three for one forty or something or one thirty,

1014
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,599
and that probably gets you in the territory he play says, no, like,

1015
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,400
forget that, but that's the audience.

1016
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,559
Speaker 2: Who else is out there? That's that's that you also

1017
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:15,000
have to consider it. Like I love Towns perfectly personally,

1018
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:21,039
but I also concede that his archetype is not exactly

1019
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:26,880
attractive to teams anymore. Like this is a this is

1020
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,760
a scoring center who doesn't defend at a great level,

1021
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:35,400
and we know in today's NBA defensive centers really start everything.

1022
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,559
So like he has to be so overwhelmingly efficient and

1023
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:44,559
effective offensively for anyone to say, oh, okay, we'll sacrifice

1024
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:48,440
the defense and we keep talking about Towns kind of

1025
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,000
floating in and out of games. Like sure, if Towns

1026
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,159
within the next two years has what I think he's

1027
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:58,239
capable of, which is like a hyper efficient thirty point season,

1028
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,159
then we can talk. But if he's still like floating

1029
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:04,159
in and out, he's not, and he's still not at

1030
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:09,000
defensive presence, I think you have every advantage in the

1031
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:10,159
book if you're in New York.

1032
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:12,559
Speaker 1: I actually I don't even know if I would do

1033
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:14,960
the three for one fifty thing, just because I'm not

1034
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,239
sure for all the reasons you outlaid, I just don't

1035
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,239
even know like what he's gonna be, like, I'm waiting

1036
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,320
another because then you figure out whether they view him

1037
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,320
as a center or power forward before I think they

1038
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,840
extend him this next candidate, this next candidate, though mcale

1039
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,199
Bridges is eligible for a four year, one hundred and

1040
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,800
fifty six point two million dollar extension. I've seen a

1041
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,800
lot before I throw it to you of people saying

1042
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:43,199
that's too much, and I just strongly disagree because as

1043
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:46,519
of right now, this is according to bow Track, he

1044
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:49,039
would be the if you give him that extension when

1045
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:51,559
it kicks in in twenty six twenty seven, he would

1046
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,800
be about the forty fifth highest paid player in the NBA.

1047
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,280
And if you don't think that mcal Bridges is a

1048
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,360
top fifty player in the NBA, then you need to

1049
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,679
have like other sorts of discussions. And the problem too

1050
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,079
is that so if he goes on the open market,

1051
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,320
forget about the max that the Knicks could give him.

1052
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:13,440
It's more just because of the eight percent raises versus five.

1053
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,840
But he'd be looking at if another team wanted to

1054
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,360
max him out next summer, he could get up to

1055
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:24,239
four years and two hundred and nineteen point four million dollars.

1056
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:27,079
I don't know if a team will give that to him,

1057
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,360
but I would bet that there would be a four year,

1058
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,440
two hundred million dollar offer on the table for him

1059
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,440
because there's gonna be more cap space, and there's a

1060
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:37,559
chance when you go through the list of free agents

1061
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:40,360
next summer, there's probably like ten or twelve or even

1062
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,920
fifteen guys in front of him. Some of those are

1063
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,840
gonna are quote unquote restricted free agents that probably won't

1064
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,800
ever reach the open market. And then a bunch of

1065
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,880
those other guys, they either have player options for this

1066
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,079
summer and they could just get new deals or their

1067
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:55,320
extension eligible themselves. There's a chance that, like Mchal Bridges

1068
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,239
becomes one of the most sought after two or three

1069
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,880
free agents in the NBA next summer. And so I

1070
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:06,239
think people have are starting to overthink Michal Bridges and

1071
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,440
if he's willing to sign that extension, which I believe

1072
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:11,960
he would, because I really do believe that was part

1073
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,679
of the calculus when the Knicks gave up so many

1074
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,599
draft picks for him, was it was twofold. One, we're

1075
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:19,880
not giving up any players of consequence, and two he's

1076
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,719
going to sign this extension that is very manageable, even

1077
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,320
if you don't think it's a bargain. Where do you

1078
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,079
land on that?

1079
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,079
Speaker 2: Could you give me the contract number again? Four years?

1080
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:31,199
Speaker 1: And how many about?

1081
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: Oh?

1082
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's not even twenty percent of the cap?

1083
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, absolutely that I'm not worried about.

1084
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,920
Like if it's exclusively like an extension scenario where you

1085
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,719
are limited to one hundred and forty percent of the

1086
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,639
cap or sorry, one hundred pwy percent of your latest

1087
00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:52,239
salary number, Yeah, you lock that up immediately because he

1088
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,599
is so like compensated at such a low rate right

1089
00:53:55,599 --> 00:54:01,519
now that yeah, you do that in a heartbeat. Now,

1090
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,239
I will say this, and this isn't really tied into

1091
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,920
his contract because again, if he signs that extension number,

1092
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:12,119
that's perfect. But in terms of his longevity, right, like

1093
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:15,599
he's been available for practically every single Like he has

1094
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:17,039
he ever missed a game? Did he miss in the

1095
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:18,840
second year? I don't remember how it is, but like

1096
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,800
he's an iron man, Like he plays so many games

1097
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,639
and he plays so many minutes. Are we worried that

1098
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,039
he's about to luel dang himself a little bit? Where

1099
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,400
when that one year where the body starts to just

1100
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,599
break down a little bit, it begins an avalanche of stuff.

1101
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: Well, first, to your point, he's not only has he

1102
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:44,079
never missed a game, and but he's actually played an

1103
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:46,000
eighty three games three and then when he did the

1104
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,320
Phoenix Brooklyn season, which is like the most Michael Bridge

1105
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,400
is stat of all time, he played in eighty three

1106
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:55,000
of eighty two games. I do I find myself thinking

1107
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:58,239
the same way too, to where it's when something doesn't

1108
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,480
happen for so long, especially when it's your it's a

1109
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:04,880
run of quote unquote good luck or durability, I'm waiting

1110
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,239
for the other shoe to drop of Okay, Yeah, I

1111
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,519
think what does help him is that he really hasn't

1112
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:16,800
been in a quote unquote overused player until like the

1113
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,000
past couple of years, and honestly it's last year. Is

1114
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:21,719
maybe that the year that he had the trade, he

1115
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,119
ended up logging almost thirty six minutes a game because

1116
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:26,400
of how much he played in Phoenix beforehand, But like

1117
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,960
this year at thirty seven minutes per game with the Knicks,

1118
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:31,320
like you could, you really could make the case that

1119
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,239
there's only been one season where his workload was just

1120
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:34,960
way too heavy.

1121
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. That's a good point. So like

1122
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,079
if a new coach comes in and he might be

1123
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:46,280
scaled back to like thirty two, maybe even thirty, I

1124
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,199
would feel better about that for sure.

1125
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're they're kind of in a situation though, where

1126
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,800
even if you don't feel comfortable with one fifty six

1127
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,280
like you just have, you're so pot committed to him

1128
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,440
you have to If he's.

1129
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,280
Speaker 2: Won the accession number, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, no, i

1130
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:03,239
I'm giving him that immediately. It's more along the lines

1131
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,039
if he wants to hit the open market, then I'm

1132
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:05,880
scared shitless.

1133
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: Now this extension candidate, we actually didn't talk about him

1134
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:10,880
in the Nicks offseason look Ahead. I don't know why

1135
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,639
I glossed over that. Mitchell Robinson probably a popular trade candidate.

1136
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,079
Thirteen million dollar expiring salary he can extend for four

1137
00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:20,719
years and up to eighty one point three million dollars. Again,

1138
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,239
this is just the max. It doesn't have to be

1139
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,239
that number for a reference though his salary in year one.

1140
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,079
If they offered him the full freight, he would be

1141
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:32,400
about the fifteenth to sixteenth highest paid center in the

1142
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,039
league as of right now. Now that number might actually

1143
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,840
he'd probably go lower because like, does Brook Lopez get

1144
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,039
a two year deal that's worth more than that? Miles Turner,

1145
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:43,320
I assume we'll get more than that, nas Reed, I

1146
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,079
assume we'll get more than that. So, but you know,

1147
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:50,800
between the fifteenth and twentiest highest paid center in the NBA?

1148
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,239
Are you we can talk about different types of number

1149
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,280
structures for him. Maybe it's, oh, give him the max

1150
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,360
in year one, but then have it declined down kind

1151
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,119
of like you did in this current deal. But if

1152
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:01,840
you're the Knicks, are you extending him or are you?

1153
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,039
Do you think he's more valuable to them as a

1154
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:07,599
trade asset when considering the injury history and the minutes

1155
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:09,000
load that he is able to ferry.

1156
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, let's get into the injury history. That's that's

1157
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:16,559
a situation where I just don't feel comfortable at all

1158
00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:20,800
handing him out, you know, handing out a long term

1159
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,159
contract at the very least. I'm not giving him four years?

1160
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,159
Am I giving him three? And then with a team option?

1161
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: Well, what if it's four? And like, I don't think

1162
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,159
he would sign for four and sixty? Again, maybe he would,

1163
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:34,440
You wouldn't do four and sixty to run through his age.

1164
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: D if he's said, well that was the scenario. So

1165
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,719
but like if that's in the scenario where it's like

1166
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:44,039
the old Ben Walls contract like six fifteen million a year, Yeah,

1167
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:44,440
well so.

1168
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:46,639
Speaker 1: Can I ask you what's the number then, like per

1169
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,400
year that you and you know, like his max extension

1170
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,280
would pay him, Let's say an average annual value of

1171
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,280
twenty is it? Is it like, you know, sixteen seven?

1172
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,079
Like if you went four for seventy? Does that just

1173
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:57,960
feel a lot better to.

1174
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,639
Speaker 2: You or I think the I think an even fifteen

1175
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,000
feels like that's that's about us as as much as

1176
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:08,480
I can probably swallow. I mean, because again, fifty nine

1177
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:15,159
thirty one seventeen those games played over the past three seasons. Yeah,

1178
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:18,280
that's that's that's a ton of mistime, man.

1179
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: And he's only ever he's never averaged thirty minutes a game,

1180
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,079
and he's only ever averaged twenty five or more minutes

1181
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:27,159
per game while playing in sixty or more games once. Yeah,

1182
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:29,039
And so I think when you're throwing it around as

1183
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:31,920
a percentage of the cap, like fifteen million dollars per

1184
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,199
year for someone who I think is definitely a starting

1185
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,239
quality center in the NBA, whether he does or not

1186
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,480
a different story, it seems low. But you have to

1187
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:41,440
look at how much he's actually playing and how much

1188
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,119
he's actually available, right.

1189
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: And that's why I just I'm scared of going longer.

1190
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,000
If this guy was routinely playing sixty plus games per year,

1191
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,800
I probably feel comfortable with twenty more.

1192
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: Which is basically the max.

1193
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:56,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1194
00:58:56,159 --> 00:59:00,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, I do think that the number is debatable

1195
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,000
for sure, but I think that this is someone that

1196
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:06,199
they probably need to extend. I just don't know, like

1197
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,719
all the concerns we have about him right now, other

1198
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,920
teams will have the same. So what are you actually

1199
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,320
getting for his thirteen million dollar salary. If anything, he

1200
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,199
might be more valuable valuable to you down the road

1201
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:20,960
at a slightly higher number to match money and with

1202
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:23,239
more years left on his deal to a team. And

1203
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,400
so I actually think McHale Bridges is probably the most

1204
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,239
important one to extend, just because of all you gave

1205
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,239
up to get him. But like I'm extending Mitchell Robinson before,

1206
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,360
I'm extending Karl Anthony Towns without questions.

1207
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, no question.

1208
00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: We move on to the Philadelphia, your Philadelphia seventy six ers.

1209
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,119
I'm not I'm not taking ownership of them or mister

1210
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:44,679
tapor x Philadelphia.

1211
00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: So I say you're missing up here INNBA podcast cost

1212
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,280
so speaking that.

1213
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: Is the pork was the editor that messaged me about that.

1214
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,440
Haven't answered him yet about the eight and a half

1215
00:59:53,519 --> 00:59:56,719
million rule that I apparently missed. So what's your question

1216
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,519
for the seventy six ers more?

1217
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: Are they patient about their woeful salary structure or are

1218
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,960
they going to be proactive and actually try to get

1219
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,400
off some of those big deals. And when I say

1220
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,000
big deals, I am not referencing Tyres MAXI I'm referencing

1221
01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:17,360
Joel Embiid, Paul George, and I know there are a

1222
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,320
lot of people who are still very much in their

1223
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,880
feelings about Joel Embiid, as they should because he's been

1224
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,280
the heart of the team for so long. But I

1225
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,239
don't think we can escape the fact that his contract

1226
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,320
is now among the worst in the NBA when you

1227
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,840
consider his injury history, the fact that he's getting older.

1228
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,280
He's what are we looking at now, Freddy Freddy One,

1229
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:43,639
He himself has said that playing back to backs are

1230
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:45,760
pretty much out of the question, possibly for the rest

1231
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,920
of his career, which that's not great to hear. So like,

1232
01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:53,480
that's bad. Paul George isn't a lot better. I know

1233
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:55,639
you're higher on him than I am, but I mean,

1234
01:00:56,159 --> 01:00:58,400
for some reason, you also think he's about twenty seven.

1235
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,920
Then I'm worried about his old ass and the fact

1236
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,719
that he's earning that ton of money. So what are

1237
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:07,800
they gonna do? Like, are they just gonna kind of

1238
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,920
stand Pad and let Tyrese MAXI, Jared McCain, the I

1239
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,159
guess Quentin Grimes in the third pick or whatever pick

1240
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:20,599
they end up drafting, gonna have fun in the meantime, Okay,

1241
01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:22,440
But then what's the upside.

1242
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think what's tricky with that is so Joelbius.

1243
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,159
I think Paul George is one sixty two point four

1244
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:33,880
million over the next three years. Joel beats two hundred

1245
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,960
and forty eight point one over the next four. Yeah,

1246
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:41,159
I don't like. Let's start with embiid. Are is there

1247
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:45,159
any team that would like just trade for like even

1248
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:47,800
if set But is there anything that wouldn't need assets

1249
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,760
attached to that deal right now given the state of

1250
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:50,400
his knee.

1251
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,159
Speaker 2: I'm actually not being facetious. I do think the Bulls

1252
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,519
would be interesting there. I'm not. I'm not you always laugh,

1253
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:00,679
but like, this is a team that always talks like

1254
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:03,840
wanting to get you know, the big name guy in

1255
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,519
and like now I know lately their new spin is

1256
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:11,320
like ten quality players or whatever. But EMBIID is a

1257
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,280
selling point and they want butts and seats like they

1258
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,199
have made no secret about the fact that they consider

1259
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:24,440
the attempting audience, not the viewing audience, as priority number one.

1260
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,960
EMBIID would help them in that regard. So I do

1261
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,400
think it seemed like the Bulls that are so rudderless

1262
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:36,159
would look at EMBIID and go oh, he's available, great.

1263
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:39,039
Speaker 1: I don't know they they're not going to look at

1264
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:42,559
that salary and be like, eh, I mean, look talking

1265
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,079
about Jerry Rynes off door if.

1266
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:49,199
Speaker 2: Here, Look, this is a team that just got taken

1267
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:51,400
in the post is probably the right way to say

1268
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,719
it by the Sacramento Kings and the San Antonio Spurs

1269
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:59,079
again because they dealt with them before they knew they

1270
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:01,880
could take advantage like this is. This is a team

1271
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,840
that's the first call for many teams out you know,

1272
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,920
outside of that team going basically, hey, if we want

1273
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,960
to get off an acid or not an acid, if

1274
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,000
we're going to get off a bad contract, if we

1275
01:03:12,159 --> 01:03:15,639
have to dump somewhere, let's call up the Bulls. They're

1276
01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:18,800
a joke and for them, I think they would be

1277
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,079
dead serious about making a play for embad dead serious.

1278
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: And if you're the Sixers, you're like, are you looking

1279
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,840
for assets back for a beat or just money that's

1280
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:30,880
gonna come off the book sooner?

1281
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:33,599
Speaker 2: Now? I like, if I can, if I find a

1282
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:36,199
team that's dumb enough to give me assets, yeah I'm

1283
01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:39,800
taking it. But if I have a team that calls

1284
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,239
me and says we'll take him, no strings attached, we'll

1285
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,760
just take him. I'm going to ask them if they

1286
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,519
need me to play for his plane ticket.

1287
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:51,679
Speaker 1: Here would be an interesting challenge trade if you're just

1288
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,280
looking at it through the lens of cap relief, Damian

1289
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:57,480
Lillard for Joel Embiid.

1290
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:03,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Dame contract is shorter, it's.

1291
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,679
Speaker 1: Only one year left after this. There have to be

1292
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:07,119
another team involved, I'm sure. But they're actually very close

1293
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:08,880
in money next season, I think. I mean, the game

1294
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:09,639
makes a little bit.

1295
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:13,559
Speaker 2: Less if I'm feeling yeah immediately wow, and.

1296
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: Then Milwaukee's say, hey, we're trying to figure out how

1297
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,719
to cling to the if if it beat pans out

1298
01:04:17,719 --> 01:04:20,519
like him and Yannis is a pairing that's pretty formidable.

1299
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: Of course, but again, what are the odds at this point?

1300
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,519
And be played nineteen games this year and he looked well, I.

1301
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,119
Speaker 1: Think if you're Milwaukee, you justified as this guarantees us

1302
01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:33,880
Janis for at least another year because he's looking and say, okay,

1303
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:36,960
let's see what happens. And then if he decides to leave.

1304
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 2: Your players have eyes, man.

1305
01:04:39,719 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: But my point being, it seems like Joannis wants to

1306
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,719
be in Milwaukee next year even without Dame playing. So

1307
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,239
my point is just if it hits, you end up

1308
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,599
with a generational talent that extends Giannis's time in Milwaukee

1309
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,719
by a factor of years. And if it misses, you're

1310
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,360
kind of screwed regardless, because then Giannis is gonna want

1311
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,639
to leave after next season anyway. So all right, just

1312
01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:03,639
suck it up and pay Embiid for the next three

1313
01:05:03,719 --> 01:05:06,719
years while you're rebuilding. I don't. I'm just I find

1314
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:09,840
it tough, just with especially given who runs the Sixers

1315
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,320
and Daryl Moury. I just wonder if he would even

1316
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:13,280
do that.

1317
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:20,599
Speaker 2: Here's another challenge. Trade are you willing to include number

1318
01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:23,400
three to get off the Joel Embiide contract. Let's say

1319
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,519
it's the Nets. The Nets call them up and they say, look,

1320
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:30,559
Nick Claxton, that's the play. Because I don't I don't

1321
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:34,000
think can the Nets actually take on the entirety.

1322
01:05:33,719 --> 01:05:37,639
Speaker 1: Of They absolutely can. He's got fifty plus million, they

1323
01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:38,039
could do that.

1324
01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:42,239
Speaker 2: No, No, Nick Claxton, then just Joel Embiid number three

1325
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,280
for my future considerations.

1326
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,599
Speaker 1: I find it cash. No, I don't think you could

1327
01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:52,440
trade the number three pick to use it as a soul,

1328
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:56,440
because then it's what is your direction thereafter? It's Maxie

1329
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,119
and then you still have George and now you don't

1330
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:00,280
have a number three pick coming in as Quenton Limes

1331
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,079
and Jared McCain. I don't know what, Like if it

1332
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:08,480
was number three in EMBIID for number eight, sure, but

1333
01:06:08,519 --> 01:06:09,960
I don't know if the Nets you want to take

1334
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,760
on a bead's money just for the right to move

1335
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,800
up three spots and get VJ edgecomber Ace Bailey who

1336
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,719
might be trying to follow you anyway, Like.

1337
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:24,079
Speaker 2: No, but like and again I can respect whatever answer

1338
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:27,920
to that question, honestly, Like I get both approaches where

1339
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,599
the Sixers might say, no, look, we're just kind of

1340
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,119
we're forced to have a relationship with this contract for

1341
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,159
a lot of years, or like we're giving up assets

1342
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:41,800
just to get out of it and like start to

1343
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,480
start over. Like what about they choose?

1344
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,239
Speaker 1: What about? Is it number three in EMBIID for Cam

1345
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,400
Johnson and Nick Claxton. So you're not saving money, you're

1346
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,519
staying competitive. The Nets are getting a number three picks

1347
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:54,679
still giving up value.

1348
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, again, if I'm the Sixers, I hit

1349
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:01,400
that so hard.

1350
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: On the Nets though, it's kind of like you're having

1351
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:06,920
number three and number eight plus the other three first

1352
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,960
you have there's it's kind of just like, what is

1353
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,960
the endgame? I guess you can load, manage and be

1354
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:14,320
through next season while you're still rebuilding. That one's a

1355
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:15,519
little bit more interesting to me.

1356
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:21,199
Speaker 2: I think that's interesting. Yeah, absolutely for Philly. And I

1357
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,440
get why Philly fans would be like, are you training

1358
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,599
in beid Why? I understand that, Like there's some some

1359
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:32,519
sentimentality h there, which I understand, But let's be honest.

1360
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:34,679
Speaker 1: And by the way, we're kind of going through my

1361
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,599
question right now, which is what will they do with

1362
01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:39,159
the number three pick? Is it keep it, move down,

1363
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,159
use it to lop off salary angle for a blockbuster?

1364
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,360
Is it a combination of those things to where it's

1365
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:48,639
number three plus Paul George's salary can actually bring back

1366
01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:51,480
what it's not just cap relief. But I think one

1367
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:53,559
of the things the phone around is like number three

1368
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,880
and Paul George to get number five from Utah, it's

1369
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,159
a lot of money for Utah to absorb to h

1370
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,159
and then they're gonna have to send out salary to

1371
01:08:02,199 --> 01:08:04,599
make But that's easy of John Collins and Clarkson and Sexton.

1372
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:07,960
But that's that's a lot of baggage to take on

1373
01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:09,840
just to move up two spots, you would really have

1374
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,719
to want Ace Bailey or VJ. Edgecomb.

1375
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,719
Speaker 2: I think if you're the Sixers, would would take Vooch,

1376
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,319
Sat Collins and Kevin Herder for Embeid.

1377
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:24,119
Speaker 1: Just that's the trade, the cold Yeah, they're all inspiring. Yeah,

1378
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,000
I absolutely would like that's the cold callous perspective is

1379
01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:28,880
you could say this is just he's what two years

1380
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,399
are moved from his MVP. I get it. But at

1381
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:35,279
the same time, right like we when you're already talking

1382
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,079
about not playing back to backs every again, Yeah, I

1383
01:08:37,119 --> 01:08:39,000
probably would do that if I'm listening. Do I think

1384
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,359
the actual Sixers would do that? I do not think

1385
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:41,720
they would.

1386
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,199
Speaker 2: No, I see that's see that's the interesting part because

1387
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:47,720
I agree with that. I think the Sixers value emb

1388
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:52,800
to an extent that we don't call that sentimentality, call

1389
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,680
it we hope that things work out. And that level

1390
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,960
of optimism, quite frankly, is something I wish I had,

1391
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:03,520
Like I don't. I'm very pessimistic about this this contract.

1392
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:08,319
I'm very pessimistic about his future. I wish I wasn't.

1393
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: Do you don't be another interesting trade he would obviously

1394
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,840
have to agree to it. The challenge trade would be

1395
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,600
like how deep were the Sun's willing to go? Bradley

1396
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:23,199
Beale for Joel Embiid.

1397
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,079
Speaker 2: Yeah again shorter contract.

1398
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's you know he actually I mean for

1399
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,279
all Bradley Beliz he's probably gonna play more than embid

1400
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:30,439
mm hmm.

1401
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Easy.

1402
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:36,399
Speaker 1: By the way, wasn't there is this does Phoenix do? This?

1403
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,880
Wasn't it Paul George and number three for Kevin Durant

1404
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,680
as kind of the framework if your phoenix is that?

1405
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,520
Speaker 2: I mean again, that was I pitched that to you

1406
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:46,079
at some point.

1407
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:47,159
Speaker 1: Okay, that's where I heard it.

1408
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 2: Then, Yeah, that you called me insane, and that's fair.

1409
01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:51,439
I don't think you called me insane.

1410
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: No, not not not the Kevin Durant one. You think

1411
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,800
you were using like number three and Paul George like

1412
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,720
to Brooklyn and that was the trade. I thought that

1413
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:58,680
was all right?

1414
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,319
Speaker 2: It was see had you caught that, because I you're

1415
01:10:02,359 --> 01:10:04,600
absolutely right that was Paul George. That wasn't in beat.

1416
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,399
Speaker 1: I criticize you a lot. The Kevin Durant for number

1417
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:09,720
three and Paul George. I don't think that would have

1418
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,439
been one of my criticisms. That one. I was kind

1419
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,880
of I had paused for the Sixers because it's like,

1420
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:15,960
so we're worried about the way that Paul George is

1421
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,560
gonna age over the next three years, but like, so

1422
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:20,399
you're gonna give up number three so that you can

1423
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,800
sign Kevin Durant for another two years and one twenty

1424
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,079
two So like now you're paying him three years and

1425
01:10:25,079 --> 01:10:27,319
one hundred and like eighty million dollars to it. So

1426
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:29,960
I just I don't that one's that one makes me

1427
01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:33,359
think like for next year. Yeah, but like you still

1428
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:35,359
if Embiid doesn't play, I don't know where that leaves

1429
01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:36,239
you as the Sixers.

1430
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Paul George played forty one games. He's

1431
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,920
not exactly been a pillar of health either, Like I.

1432
01:10:44,039 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. It just feels like in that scenario,

1433
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,720
you're trading in one problem for like a different, Yeah one,

1434
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,640
it'd be if you told me Embiid was gonna play

1435
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,359
in sixty five games the next two years. I do

1436
01:10:55,399 --> 01:10:57,479
that trade in a heartbeat for Kevin Durant. But like

1437
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,479
you're getting older while giving up the number three pick,

1438
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:01,920
which just seems counterintuitive.

1439
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:07,520
Speaker 2: Have you ever like stopped and considered how often we

1440
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,239
discuss these, you know, let's just say it, older guys

1441
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,960
who are on these ridiculously large contracts once again seems

1442
01:11:17,079 --> 01:11:23,119
just fall into that habit of paying old past prime

1443
01:11:23,159 --> 01:11:27,159
players a dramatic amount of money, and it's always so

1444
01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:29,600
predictably stupid.

1445
01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: Yes, and I think I really do believe. I don't

1446
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,239
know if it's gonna happen this summer. And I think

1447
01:11:34,279 --> 01:11:38,279
when it's Lebron, when it's KD, they will still continue

1448
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:41,960
to pay those guys. When it's Steph. But the the

1449
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,760
Paul George situation, just to use the most recent example,

1450
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:47,079
I think we're gonna see less and less of that

1451
01:11:47,359 --> 01:11:50,520
in the new CBA. I think even the Jaylen Brown example,

1452
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,800
who's not older, I don't even know if those guys

1453
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,600
are gonna be guaranteed the thirty percent max anymore, let

1454
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,840
alone the supermax if they become eligible.

1455
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,079
Speaker 2: I hope this change just because it just it boggles

1456
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:07,199
my mind and has for years. Why did you know

1457
01:12:07,279 --> 01:12:12,000
the the the allowed max increases the older you become,

1458
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,840
Like the ten years of service slash now you're eligible

1459
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,000
for forty five percent of the salary cap just seems

1460
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,239
so stupid. To me, because of course someone with name

1461
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,399
and brand recognition, they're like, I'm worth it, Like I

1462
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,680
want the forty five percent max. So some seems like, yeah,

1463
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,279
well we need butts and seats, so we'll give it

1464
01:12:33,319 --> 01:12:33,479
to you.

1465
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: That's that's like corporate America in a nutshell though, because

1466
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,680
it's just like when you have these CEOs that are

1467
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,640
a bunch of white dudes in their sixties making more

1468
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,560
money than they ever have, but you know that they're

1469
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,600
not pulling their weight relative to like the people that

1470
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,640
actually hustle. It's when you're that's now, this is agism

1471
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,119
and it doesn't apply to everybody. So I recognize there's

1472
01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:54,800
that stereotype as well. But yeah, it's I think it's

1473
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,359
tough throughout my head around because like I don't want

1474
01:12:56,399 --> 01:12:57,439
people to be telling me I need to take a

1475
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,399
pay cut when I'm turning sixty or something. But when

1476
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,199
you're dealing it this scale, I totally get. Like it's

1477
01:13:02,199 --> 01:13:05,840
just different when you're talking about the average worker versus

1478
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,640
an NBA player or corporate it's way different.

1479
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 2: Like could you imagine if Dame signed for the fun

1480
01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:15,239
Max instead like twenty five percent? I don't he wouldn't

1481
01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:16,239
go hungry, Dan.

1482
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: He's got a family to feed. Man the Treill's pretty well.

1483
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 2: Oh, I remember that, And I remember the exact number

1484
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,039
two that was three years, twenty one million, and he

1485
01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:27,520
was like, I have kids to feed.

1486
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,159
Speaker 1: We gotta look, we gotta pour one out for David Zaslov.

1487
01:13:31,239 --> 01:13:33,920
His total compensation when you include stock options, I think,

1488
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,319
is dropping from like fifty or sixty to like ten million.

1489
01:13:36,319 --> 01:13:38,279
I don't even know how he's supposed to survive on

1490
01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:41,560
that CEO of Warner met or whatever his title is

1491
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,600
for Warner Discovery that they like to show on the

1492
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,439
Maybe they won't anymore since my parent company no longer

1493
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,640
owns the rights, but like showing him on the celebrity row,

1494
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,960
it's just like we got to stop. What fine.

1495
01:13:52,279 --> 01:13:56,119
Speaker 2: I'm still very disappointed that he killed the Batgirl film.

1496
01:13:56,239 --> 01:13:57,760
I will always resent him for that.

1497
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: Isn't him for a lot of things. But that's neither

1498
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,199
here nor there. Are we ready to move on? What

1499
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:05,520
do you think so quick? Just synopsis? Do you think

1500
01:14:06,079 --> 01:14:09,039
doesn't have to be Some of this stuff will happen

1501
01:14:09,079 --> 01:14:12,800
after the draft? Fast forward to opening night. The number

1502
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,560
three pick, the player that has taken with it is

1503
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:20,640
that player on Philly or another team.

1504
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,399
Speaker 2: I mean, so you're asking me specifically about a player

1505
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,800
taken at the third pick. I do not think that

1506
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,000
player is on the Philadelphia seventy six ers.

1507
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: And that encompasses all the scenarios, whether it's just to

1508
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:33,680
move down or like you said, using it to get

1509
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,800
off salary. Yeah, let's talk and wrap up with the

1510
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,399
Toronto Raptors more. What's your question?

1511
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 2: My question is one out of frustration because it's not

1512
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,760
really a question, it's just a roster balance much. I mean,

1513
01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:56,039
I actually, look, I've said this before, I'm going to

1514
01:14:56,079 --> 01:14:59,640
repeat myself. I did not hate that version of the

1515
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:06,079
tern Our Raptors that entered this season. Unfortunately, injuries disallowed

1516
01:15:06,119 --> 01:15:10,840
them from really getting into the swing of things. Like

1517
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,920
you had Manual Quickly missed games, you had Argie Barrett

1518
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,920
Mas games, you had Scottie Barnes miss games. They never

1519
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:21,119
went on like the same timeline in terms of the season,

1520
01:15:21,239 --> 01:15:23,880
and that was a big shame. I hated it because

1521
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,600
I wanted to see what that team would look like

1522
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,000
and we never got a chance to see it. And

1523
01:15:29,039 --> 01:15:33,199
now we won't Dan because they traded for Brandon Ingram

1524
01:15:33,319 --> 01:15:37,239
and then gave him forty freakin' million, and now I

1525
01:15:37,279 --> 01:15:42,600
am like dimensions less enthused about that team.

1526
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:48,319
Speaker 1: Okay, who did they give up? That ruin the team?

1527
01:15:48,359 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 2: It's basically him coming in and taking the ball, controlling

1528
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:58,880
the ball. He's not exactly a seamless injection, seamless fit.

1529
01:15:59,079 --> 01:16:02,359
I would argue, now you have like these three wings

1530
01:16:02,359 --> 01:16:05,319
that has to figure it out. You have a you

1531
01:16:05,319 --> 01:16:07,840
know quickly, you have Grady Dick, you have Yaka Perle

1532
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:13,319
like it's just yep, thank you, that's a good name.

1533
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:16,760
It just seems to me that now there are too

1534
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,039
many chefs in the kitchen, especially at the wing spot.

1535
01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:22,199
I would have liked to see how this team would

1536
01:16:22,199 --> 01:16:27,920
have looked minus, specifically, you know, a brandon Ingram type.

1537
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,960
I have wanted to see someone who was more off

1538
01:16:30,039 --> 01:16:34,439
ball inclined, more three point oriented, not someone who has

1539
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:40,640
been very reluctant as a shooter. I'm just fearful that

1540
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:44,840
we're going to see like the first version of multiple

1541
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:45,840
bald hinder syndrome.

1542
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 1: I think that is a real risk. But I want

1543
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,520
to tell you I'm more optimistic than you are.

1544
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:54,359
Speaker 2: Great, I can't wait.

1545
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,159
Speaker 1: RJ. Barrett gets shipped from New York to Toronto, and

1546
01:16:58,199 --> 01:16:59,680
I think this season, when you look at the way

1547
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,840
he plays early on, it was encouraging the playmaking ebbs

1548
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:04,520
and flows, of course, like every season, but they were

1549
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,279
so banged up. But he comes over from the knicks,

1550
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,520
they start to get him. This is not someone who

1551
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,119
is doing this a lot in New York. They started

1552
01:17:12,119 --> 01:17:15,840
to get him moving more without the ball, getting him runway.

1553
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,439
He goes from where it was like I think sixty

1554
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,319
percent of his two pointers that season in New York

1555
01:17:21,359 --> 01:17:25,119
were going unassisted to now sixty two sixty three percent

1556
01:17:25,119 --> 01:17:28,359
of his two pointers in Toronto are going assisted. And

1557
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,560
they have a blueprint with their system to get guys

1558
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,840
who are maybe not used to working off the ball

1559
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,039
as much, not just to be catch and shoot guys,

1560
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,720
but due to a move without the ball under darker Ryakovic,

1561
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,720
and I think that's part of the reason why I

1562
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,119
think that he's I don't know if you could be

1563
01:17:44,199 --> 01:17:46,159
underrated when you've only been coaching for a couple seasons,

1564
01:17:46,199 --> 01:17:48,479
but I think just what he's done in Toronto, it

1565
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,760
hasn't amounted to wins, but I think that there's a

1566
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:56,000
style there that it it can work with players where

1567
01:17:56,039 --> 01:17:59,920
they become tough to fit together. Now to your point,

1568
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,239
you are, it's different when you have r. J. Barrett

1569
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:05,439
and Scottie Barnes and I'm gonna use yaka Pertle just

1570
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,159
because he's a non spacer. And now you're just adding

1571
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,319
like you're adding r. J. Barrett into a situation where oh,

1572
01:18:11,359 --> 01:18:14,079
there's like only one guy in Scotty Barnes who needs

1573
01:18:14,079 --> 01:18:15,920
to have the ball a ton. Now you're adding Brandon

1574
01:18:16,039 --> 01:18:18,920
Ingram to where in theory, okay, manual quickly moves well

1575
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,000
off the ball, but so yes, there's more chefs there,

1576
01:18:21,239 --> 01:18:23,600
and so I think that's a risk. I'm more optimistic

1577
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,680
just because I think that the way that their offense

1578
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,760
is run if you can find a way to put

1579
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,960
and this is this is the bigger problem actually for me.

1580
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,359
How do you surround especially if you're gonna play Ingram

1581
01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:37,199
and Barrett and Barns together for any stretches at a time,

1582
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,119
it needs to be with two other shooters around them.

1583
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,560
So quickly one done. But now you're in a situation

1584
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,920
where you need your five to probably space the floor.

1585
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,159
Speaker 2: Which, say, Chris Bouchet, you're about to make a Chris

1586
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:51,079
Bouchet point.

1587
01:18:51,279 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 1: Well, I was actually so you know me too well,

1588
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:55,600
But like that that you I'm just saying for that

1589
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:59,079
type of lineup structure. Bringing Chris Bouchet back, however, and no,

1590
01:18:59,159 --> 01:19:01,239
probably will. He's just gonna He's gonna get a statue

1591
01:19:01,279 --> 01:19:04,640
in Toronto. I think at this point that's pretty pretty cemented.

1592
01:19:05,279 --> 01:19:07,479
But like that is more of the challenge to me,

1593
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,640
or it's, oh, we have to stagger these guys a bunch,

1594
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:13,000
because I think what we've seen with Toronto's offense, and

1595
01:19:13,119 --> 01:19:16,119
especially I'm more inturaged because pretty much a lot of

1596
01:19:16,119 --> 01:19:18,239
that time a small They did have Kelly Olnick there

1597
01:19:18,279 --> 01:19:21,000
as well, but it's not like they've had pristine spacing

1598
01:19:21,039 --> 01:19:24,000
at all. Like over these past couple seasons, like Emmanuel

1599
01:19:24,039 --> 01:19:27,960
Quickly has been battling injuries too, Scotty Barnes's jumper waxes

1600
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,560
and wings. RJ. Barrett Ebbs and flows to his jumper

1601
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,119
as well, and defenses don't really like respect him the

1602
01:19:33,119 --> 01:19:36,079
way that they would other guys. So I'm more optimistic,

1603
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:38,640
but I think to me, it's more about you need

1604
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:42,039
to optimize the chess pieces that are around them if

1605
01:19:42,079 --> 01:19:44,800
you're gonna move forward with again, the three guys, I'm

1606
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,279
looking or I'm gonna frame it this way. If you're

1607
01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:49,279
gonna plan to move forward with at least three of

1608
01:19:49,359 --> 01:19:53,119
the four, let alone all four of Yaka bertle RJ Barrett,

1609
01:19:53,119 --> 01:19:56,359
Scottie Barnes and Brandon Ingram, there's like, we gotta see

1610
01:19:56,399 --> 01:19:59,279
a material shift in the supporting cast or Grady Dick

1611
01:19:59,319 --> 01:20:02,399
needs to make them on leap. And again, even at

1612
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:05,800
that point, I think you probably need a different look

1613
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,960
at the five. We're not saying you have to move Purtle,

1614
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:10,439
but like you need some spacing at that position.

1615
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 2: I seem to recall after the quickly no sorry, not

1616
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:23,560
quickly Incram acquisition raptures fans making some of the same

1617
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,119
points about oh, this team is going to need more

1618
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:31,039
floor spacing and someone we're bringing up Booch as like

1619
01:20:31,079 --> 01:20:34,439
because as a one year thing. I like that in theory,

1620
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,520
but my question is what then, like he doesn't fit

1621
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:43,479
the timeline. Spacing centers are not always easy to find.

1622
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:49,880
I just what if you're relying upon identifying and acquiring

1623
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,600
a floor spacing, big man, that's a tough ask.

1624
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: What about Karl Anthony Towns?

1625
01:20:58,439 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: What are you relinquishing?

1626
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you have to. I mean there's

1627
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:03,960
probably a third teams. I don't know if the Nicks

1628
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,279
want r. J. Barrett back, but you have the Pearl salary,

1629
01:21:06,399 --> 01:21:09,079
you have the Barrett salary. I don't think you're not

1630
01:21:09,079 --> 01:21:11,399
giving up quickly in that scenario. So it's like you

1631
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,720
can get to you have Dick, you have Akbaji, Like

1632
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,000
you could make like if you were the Knicks and

1633
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:19,439
said we're we'll find we'll take Yaka Peerdle and are

1634
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,800
you giving them Dick and or Akbaji and then you're

1635
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,560
finding a taker for RJ. Barrett. At that point you

1636
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,920
can make the math work. I don't know what you

1637
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,119
have to really believe in your defense at that point.

1638
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:31,359
Speaker 2: Yeah you do. But that would also be fun in

1639
01:21:31,399 --> 01:21:35,880
New York because you get more bodies, more bodies, more depth.

1640
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:41,199
Yeah yeah, And as you just said, yeah, love to

1641
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:42,039
give New York Dick.

1642
01:21:42,279 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: Great, And there's also just they're not gonna they would

1643
01:21:47,039 --> 01:21:49,000
have to like there still need to be moves made,

1644
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,920
but like getting a Brook Lopez here or not. He's

1645
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,560
older though, so you're you're concerned about the wronger horizon.

1646
01:21:55,119 --> 01:21:58,239
Is there something to be done with Minnesota and nas

1647
01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:00,800
reed in a sign and trade scenario.

1648
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 2: That'd be fun. That'd be fun. Again, salary wise, you'd

1649
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,640
needs identify the right pieces. They'd have to be interested.

1650
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, the Nets just have to be involved

1651
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:13,720
in all these scenarios. Is just like this tret go Someboddy. Hey,

1652
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,039
you already said you'd take on RJ. Barrett. So if

1653
01:22:16,039 --> 01:22:18,520
it's like Minnesota's getting Picks or nas Reed and the

1654
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,800
Nets are getting Barrett, maybe that's the framework.

1655
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,399
Speaker 2: There are the Nets going to be the team that

1656
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,000
makes the most traits this summer.

1657
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,399
Speaker 1: We recorded Grant and I recorded a podcast where we

1658
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:31,600
essentially said that they're the team that's going to define

1659
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:35,359
the NBA off season because I don't think, yeah, any

1660
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:40,239
major blockbuster deal like goes down without them being digentially involved.

1661
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,199
Speaker 2: That feels like fair, a fair compromise.

1662
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,279
Speaker 1: So we're kind of this is why this exercise fun.

1663
01:22:46,319 --> 01:22:48,239
We're kind of talking about my question too, which is

1664
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:50,520
I don't know if you saw the report it was

1665
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,560
about like at the beginning of June. I believe it

1666
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:57,600
was Brian Windhorst had it where he said that the

1667
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,720
Raptors are in the market for a big fish, which

1668
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,720
I find fascinating because in theory, Brandon Ingram was the

1669
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,760
big fish at the trade deadline because of the opportunistic

1670
01:23:08,199 --> 01:23:10,520
cost it was to get him, and he's yet to

1671
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,079
take the floor for them. So we're talking about how

1672
01:23:13,079 --> 01:23:16,079
do you make this work? Would if you're the Raptors,

1673
01:23:16,119 --> 01:23:19,520
would you consider, like we're even talking about nas Reed

1674
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,560
is like kind of a moderate move, But are you

1675
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,119
making like a big move if you're the Raptors without

1676
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,800
having seen any of this really and like Brandon Ingram

1677
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,119
is just has not played for the Raptors yet that

1678
01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:32,199
we haven't seen him with Scottie Barnes or Argie Barrett

1679
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:35,960
or Quickly or Pertle nobody. If you're the Raptors or you, like,

1680
01:23:36,039 --> 01:23:38,199
do you think that you just have enough information on

1681
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:40,960
what this team is going to be that you would

1682
01:23:41,359 --> 01:23:44,359
I guess the Kevin Durant conversation is one thing, but

1683
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,880
like that you would just go out and get another

1684
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,760
big fish immediately after, oh, semi immediately after acquiring one

1685
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,560
and not having seen him play yet.

1686
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a very boring answer that depends

1687
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,920
on who the big fish is, specifically.

1688
01:24:00,199 --> 01:24:02,279
Speaker 1: Towns.

1689
01:24:03,399 --> 01:24:06,399
Speaker 2: I mean, then I guess I'm okay with that because

1690
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,279
it's a great positional need. But like you said, you

1691
01:24:09,319 --> 01:24:11,439
have to trust the defense, you have to trust everything,

1692
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,479
or you have to want to be the next Pacers

1693
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,840
in regards to let's lead the league in scoring and pace.

1694
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:22,319
And I could see that, Like I don't mind teams

1695
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,479
leaning into a certain identity. It's fine. Like if the

1696
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:30,000
Raptors want to say, fuck defense, let's score one forty, sure,

1697
01:24:30,119 --> 01:24:32,680
they're probably gonna be like a top five league pass team.

1698
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,239
For me, it just has to make sense.

1699
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,239
Speaker 1: All right, So I'll throw some names out there. Then

1700
01:24:37,359 --> 01:24:40,920
this is this is a fun exercise. Christops porzingis two

1701
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:41,720
injury throwned.

1702
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,199
Speaker 2: I don't trust it even on the expiring No, the

1703
01:24:45,319 --> 01:24:48,520
contractual element is fine. It's like how many games are

1704
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:49,279
we gonna get out of it?

1705
01:24:52,239 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 1: What about Jaron Jackson Junior. Let's say the Memphis Grizzlies

1706
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:55,520
do decide to rebuild.

1707
01:24:56,399 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 2: See, that is a fun team for him as well.

1708
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,520
More wings there to help out on the rebounding. I

1709
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,760
don't hate that even quickly. It's like a really good

1710
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:11,880
rebound for his size. So like his shortcomings on in

1711
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:16,199
that particular branch of basketball might actually not be amplified

1712
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:20,640
in the same way that it's been before, offers, floor spacing,

1713
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:24,159
offers damn near a point per minute. Yeah, I don't

1714
01:25:24,199 --> 01:25:26,680
hate that, that's fun. What did you do?

1715
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: I threw his name out there already, But Kevin Durant

1716
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,600
like the tray that's been floating around as would you

1717
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:33,840
give up the whoever you draft at number nine with?

1718
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,600
It's probably two It's like RJ. Barrett and Perle. Let's

1719
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:38,960
just say, is like the money.

1720
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that begins to be a little tight, right like that,

1721
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,239
Then you're like, that's a lot to give up for

1722
01:25:47,239 --> 01:25:49,720
a thirty seven year old, despite the fact that he's

1723
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,319
still immensely.

1724
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 1: Great domas a bonus.

1725
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:01,239
Speaker 2: I love sa bonus, but I am generally pivoting off

1726
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,079
none to three none. D guys, I know you're higher

1727
01:26:04,079 --> 01:26:05,760
on him as a shooter than I am, and I

1728
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:09,359
concede that the percentages have been perfectly reasonable as a plate.

1729
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,640
The volume, however, is still low to a point where

1730
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:18,600
I'm not entirely buying into that yet I think that's fair.

1731
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: And also that's someone else who's best with the ball

1732
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,199
in his hands for the most part.

1733
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's another chef.

1734
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: You said yes to nas Read already, right, Yeah, what

1735
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,039
about who do we got here about Bam at a baio.

1736
01:26:34,399 --> 01:26:38,239
Speaker 2: I trust his floor spacing capabilities now I think we've

1737
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:41,199
gotten that up to a reasonable amount. Yeah, like that's

1738
01:26:42,039 --> 01:26:44,359
god Like you'd have to give up a ton for

1739
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,119
Bam right, Like what.

1740
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,560
Speaker 1: They said big fish.

1741
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 2: He's a big fish. Yeah, Like I just wonder what

1742
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:50,359
the deal is.

1743
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 1: You don't be interesting? Yeah, from a four spacing perspective. No,

1744
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,359
But Anthony Davis, if the MAVs do decide to pivot

1745
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,199
and rebuild around Cooper Flag.

1746
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 2: Do you think Scottie Barnes is even being entertained as

1747
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:06,439
a trade option?

1748
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,199
Speaker 1: Depending I'll go back to your answer of I think

1749
01:27:11,239 --> 01:27:14,720
it just depends. Like if it's the honest yes, I

1750
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,920
think there's a level. If it's for a top ten player,

1751
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,359
I would say yes. After that it's I think you

1752
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,199
probably get dicey, like there are a name, like if

1753
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:26,279
it's if it's Jayleen Brown, I'd probably say no, especially

1754
01:27:26,319 --> 01:27:27,359
looking at the contracts.

1755
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 2: Am I being harsh by saying I still don't have

1756
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,520
any idea what Scotty Barnes really is.

1757
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what his ceiling is. I think his

1758
01:27:38,079 --> 01:27:40,479
general ceiling to me as all NBA player I think

1759
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,199
that is still there, just the positional versatility and functional

1760
01:27:43,279 --> 01:27:46,359
versatility on defense, and he has that same element on offense.

1761
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,199
The jumper needs to be this swing like we've just

1762
01:27:49,279 --> 01:27:51,319
kind of seen hints of, and I know that's reductive,

1763
01:27:51,359 --> 01:27:53,720
but we've seen the three point shot, evan throw. We've

1764
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,199
seen kind of the ebb and flow. We've seen the

1765
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:56,880
pull up two is kind of ebb and flow. I

1766
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:00,159
think he's shown as a playmaker strides and all. I

1767
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:01,520
was like, maybe kind of doing some of the big

1768
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:03,640
man stuff. And now that you have all these ball handlers,

1769
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:05,520
it's or do we need to look at Scottie Barnes

1770
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:09,680
as the screener more often? I'm still I'm very high

1771
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:10,800
on Scotty Barnes.

1772
01:28:11,239 --> 01:28:16,159
Speaker 2: That's fair. I used to compare him to like a

1773
01:28:16,279 --> 01:28:20,720
new era Andrew Igodala Andre Igodala, and I think so

1774
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:26,239
far I'm not hating that comp as opposed to, like,

1775
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,479
you know, a year one superstar who I think I

1776
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:32,279
think a lot of people went that route and I

1777
01:28:32,319 --> 01:28:34,359
got caught up in that as well. After his rookie season,

1778
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,880
like I thought, oh good Lord, for someone that young

1779
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,319
to be that productive at both sides of the ball, Like,

1780
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:45,520
hell yeah, I was expecting significant improvement already in the

1781
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,159
year two, and like now in year four, it felt

1782
01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:51,319
like he had like this one jump from year two

1783
01:28:51,359 --> 01:28:55,079
to year three and then kind of stagnated again. So

1784
01:28:55,159 --> 01:28:58,000
like it feels like we have two cases of him stagnating.

1785
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:00,520
That can certain me.

1786
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 1: I think next year is a huge year for him.

1787
01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:07,399
That's another you want another reductive take, that's my take.

1788
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:08,439
I think next year is huge.

1789
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 2: It's yeah. I mean, look, when he was this was

1790
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,920
earlier in his career, I heard some things, you know,

1791
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,760
that he just didn't really take the game all that seriously,

1792
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,119
that he didn't have the necessary work ethic. That scared

1793
01:29:21,159 --> 01:29:25,279
theajesus out of me. Then he apparently started taking things

1794
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:29,359
way more like seriously. He started ramping up his workouts,

1795
01:29:30,039 --> 01:29:33,199
and then he had the All Star season last year,

1796
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:37,239
which just to me, that just begs the question, what

1797
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:41,520
happened in between year three and year four? What happened?

1798
01:29:44,039 --> 01:29:46,039
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we sometimes also forget that these

1799
01:29:46,039 --> 01:29:48,840
guys are kids, Like I know, they're making millions of

1800
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,960
dollars responsibility and come to but I just sometimes when

1801
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,159
it comes to you know, diets, I try to think

1802
01:29:54,199 --> 01:29:57,640
about like I've become I fancy myself like a fitness junkie,

1803
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,359
wannabe whatever. Right, that didn't click for me until my

1804
01:30:01,399 --> 01:30:04,159
late twenties. Okay, like that, when I became I really

1805
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:06,000
focused on nutrition and stuff. So I just I know

1806
01:30:06,039 --> 01:30:09,600
they have it's a different situation. Like, but I think

1807
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,079
we sometimes just forget, Like I don't even know if

1808
01:30:11,079 --> 01:30:13,399
it's a matter of clicking of just like Okay, you

1809
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,439
come in, you're this, and then it's all right. I'm

1810
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:16,600
just maturing a little bit.

1811
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,319
Speaker 2: Like and I get that, and I buy that, But

1812
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:24,439
it also means that I, as an NBA organization will

1813
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:28,279
have to eventually make a call on where do we

1814
01:30:28,399 --> 01:30:31,439
have him here? Like is he our franchise player? Is

1815
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,079
he more of a complimentary player? And I'm not saying

1816
01:30:34,119 --> 01:30:37,920
this to criticize him, by the way, I actually greatly

1817
01:30:38,319 --> 01:30:42,039
enjoy watching him play. I think he provides so many

1818
01:30:42,199 --> 01:30:45,439
interesting and fascinating aspects in terms of like the rebounding,

1819
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,800
the playmaking when he pushes the ball, like the ball

1820
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:52,399
handling at his size, the fact that he just wraps

1821
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:55,159
so many steals that he gets into like challenging shots

1822
01:30:55,159 --> 01:30:57,840
at the rim, like there's really no shots that's safe

1823
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,680
around him, so like he does give you a shit

1824
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,279
ton of positives. I'm not trying to talk him down,

1825
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,159
but I do think that if he is to be

1826
01:31:06,319 --> 01:31:12,399
like your main guy, especially nowadays scoring and especially the

1827
01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:16,319
scoring efficiency, it has to be like a part of

1828
01:31:16,319 --> 01:31:17,039
that package.

1829
01:31:18,319 --> 01:31:21,119
Speaker 1: I think the fact that they've been linked to wanting

1830
01:31:21,119 --> 01:31:23,479
a bigger fish makes me wonder, and even the fact

1831
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,800
that they brought in Red and Ingram makes me wonder

1832
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,920
if they view Scottie Barnes offensively as more of their

1833
01:31:29,039 --> 01:31:31,399
number two option. Moving toward is something I've given a

1834
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:32,399
lot of consideration too.

1835
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,600
Speaker 2: I mean, look, that would be fantastic, especially if the

1836
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,680
shot comes around a little bit, because I would go

1837
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:40,720
as far as to say, Dan, even in today's NBA,

1838
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,239
if your second option is hitting twenty seven percent of

1839
01:31:43,239 --> 01:31:45,279
his threes, that's that's a concern.

1840
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:48,279
Speaker 1: Again, I would also just like to see him in

1841
01:31:48,319 --> 01:31:51,600
a different environment where there is better spacing around him.

1842
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,680
What does that look like? For sure? Last couple of

1843
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:56,199
names after you, Jabari Smith.

1844
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,600
Speaker 2: In terms of like the guy who should be brought.

1845
01:32:01,359 --> 01:32:04,520
Speaker 1: In like you could play, but the five does give

1846
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:05,800
you from fourth basing there.

1847
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,039
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not high on Jabbari, but this might

1848
01:32:09,079 --> 01:32:11,640
be a situation where I think that is like he

1849
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:17,439
would get more chances there, which would finally reveal who

1850
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:19,800
he is as a player. So yeah, I don't hate that.

1851
01:32:21,039 --> 01:32:23,319
Speaker 1: Yo would be right up this team's ALI and just

1852
01:32:23,399 --> 01:32:25,560
really shouldn't be playing full time five, but he could

1853
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:32,079
play some time for them. Would be PJ. Washington six seven.

1854
01:32:32,319 --> 01:32:34,640
Speaker 2: I he'd be smaller than most of their wings.

1855
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:38,600
Speaker 1: And by the way you mentioned this is why I'll

1856
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:40,319
bring this guy up too, Like, if you're just looking

1857
01:32:40,359 --> 01:32:43,800
for lower end solutions, like this might be a Jalen

1858
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,239
Smith team, come in and give you some stretch at

1859
01:32:46,279 --> 01:32:46,880
the five spot.

1860
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:49,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be good. I would like to see

1861
01:32:49,119 --> 01:32:51,960
him get more minutes somewhere. This could be fun, especially

1862
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:55,520
if they lean into the offensive side, because Jalen Smith

1863
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:58,880
can hoop and he can score, man, he can score

1864
01:32:59,119 --> 01:33:03,159
at a great so and he's not afraid to pull

1865
01:33:03,159 --> 01:33:06,039
the trick on from the outside either. That'd be fun.

1866
01:33:06,039 --> 01:33:07,760
And he can even block shots even though he's not

1867
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:11,960
the best defender, and its rebounding is freaking elite. Now

1868
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that that name might be my favorite.

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Speaker 1: And this isn't a center, but I think like He's

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the player that ideally a Grady Dick and or a

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Knock Bajie would be. I don't think he's available, but

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I've seen his name thrown out there just a bunch

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when it comes to people speculating. And I also think

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people need to either watch him more just because the

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offers I've seen just don't align with anywhere near his value.

1876
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But you have number nine as a starting point, and

1877
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you can include Dick and ak Baji and future picks.

1878
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This team needs a Trey Murphy. I mean, I guess

1879
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every team could need a Trey Murphy, but specifically this

1880
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,159
team needs a Trey Murphy.

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Speaker 2: And another another way you want to you want to

1882
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just have it seam full of small forwards.

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Speaker 1: I can tell well, No, I'm saying you need shooting

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around these primary ball handlers, even if you're gonna stagger them,

1885
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so you figure out the center like it's I don't

1886
01:34:04,399 --> 01:34:06,319
think they just need a floor spacing center. I think

1887
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they need flour spacing period.

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Speaker 2: I agree. But like if you if you're not moving

1889
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Barns or Ingram or Barrett right in that scenario, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean you could move Barrett. I think the only good

1891
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I mean you're obviously not gonna move Ingram back to

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New Orleans, like we know.

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Speaker 2: That, but right obviously, but like it was just I mean, look,

1894
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I could I could have fun with that, like if

1895
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,520
you add him so that you have four small forwards

1896
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:35,279
and like a Leite guard, fucking let's get nuts.

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Speaker 1: And it's look, I think that's just when you're looking

1898
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,640
at free agency in either minimums or bargains, like this

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should be a team that's like, okay, we take a

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flyer on a Andrey Shaman or a Luke Canard like

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01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,000
they that's just the that doesn't fix everything. But I

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01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,039
think that that paper's over, like just some of their

1903
01:34:50,079 --> 01:34:53,880
functional like redundancies that they have offensively Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Mister remembering A wasn't Lukenard there at one point in Toronto.

1905
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,600
Oh he was not. I don't know why. I was

1906
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:04,640
picturing him in a raptures jerracy and that felt like

1907
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,840
that was resembling something, So I might just be projecting onwards.

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That's a good name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yo could also work here. I mean, he would

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have to go back to shooting threes, but Isaiah Stewart

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might be interesting.

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Speaker 2: I'm very much for a three point shooting Isaia.

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Speaker 1: Stewart again doesn't have to be a sign in trade,

1914
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and we already mentioned him. I don't even remember for

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what team, Oh the Nets, but Santi al Dama yep.

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Speaker 2: Yep, again fun not not defensively great, but yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Guess my point would be the Santi al Dama, the

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Isaiah Stewart, like those level of players, feels like a

1919
01:35:43,079 --> 01:35:45,880
move that I would I think Toronto should pursue and

1920
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could make. But like short of the Durant, one's interesting,

1921
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but like short of just we're not talking about this

1922
01:35:52,399 --> 01:35:54,520
name yet and they become available and it's a no brainer.

1923
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I just can't see this team actually going the big

1924
01:35:57,399 --> 01:36:01,720
big fish route without having seen what. I'll to single

1925
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:04,239
out two names specifically, like what does the Barnes Ingram

1926
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dynamic look like?

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Speaker 2: Right? Do you think teams are caught up in that

1928
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so much? Though?

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Speaker 1: There if you want to maximize them, you almost can't

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be because it might require that. But if also if

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you traded for brandon Ingram and then gave them forty

1932
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million bucks a year with the idea that, yeah, we

1933
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need to go out and make one more massive move.

1934
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But that's a little problematic.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't disagree, but I just wonder if teams

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are like, you know, we have so much data on

1937
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these guys, we have a like a conceptual theory in

1938
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mind of how this will look, and we can go

1939
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off of that. Not saying I agree with it, but.

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Speaker 1: Again I also think in the Raptor's case, just because

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we've seen it before, is they might have just viewed

1942
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the brand and Ingram situation as look at how little

1943
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we needed to give up to get someone who in

1944
01:36:48,359 --> 01:36:51,319
a vacuum has way more value than that, and like

1945
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,079
that's why they're interested in Kevin Durant. It's okay, might

1946
01:36:54,119 --> 01:36:56,479
only be for a year, but it actually increases our

1947
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title equity, maybe cleans up our books a little bit

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moving forward. And we're getting this player who who if

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he was to be traded and like you knew that

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if he had two years left on his deal, like

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it would cost more to get him. And it feels

1952
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like that's how the Messiah Jerry Bobby Webster front office

1953
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really thinks, which I don't hate that aspect of it.

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So I find their off season, we haven't done their

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off season look good yet, but I find their off

1956
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season wildly fascinating. You have anything else on the Atlantic

1957
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division or are you ready to skidaddle?

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Speaker 2: I think I'm ready to scaaal for this time, sir.

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Speaker 1: Can you just tell our listeners where they can find

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you and all the fantastic erotica that you put out?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all my erotica can be found. Uh well,

1962
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not all of it at the same place, but you

1963
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can get it's softcore at least now. I mean, the

1964
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summer is just getting started, so we'll see. But you

1965
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can find our work over at Yahoo Sports. You can

1966
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find a little at Forbes, at the NP podcast, and

1967
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in the Game issue over at us Strong.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, and as always, we would the shout out

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to the one the only future maxed out Toronto Raptors

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floor spacing Center, mister Frank Quila Quila