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So we had a big decision this week regarding the

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transgender issue. The US Supreme Court weighed in on a

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very narrow aspect of the debate. But this is a

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win for sanity. The US Supreme Court on Wednesday issued

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a ruling. They've got others that have come out today.

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I've not had a chance to look and see what

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are other opinions they've released today, but the one they

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released on Wednesday upheld laws in about half of the

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states that ban well. This is from the NPR affiliate

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in town. So this is NPR reporting by Nina Sorry,

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by Nina Totenberg. Gender affirming medical care. It ban gender

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affirming medical care. That sounds terrible. It's affirming and it's

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medical care. Right, it's amputating reproductive systems for transgender miners.

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So children it would ban, Yeah, it's it's banning trans

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procedures for kids. States that have decided to do this.

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The vote was six to three. You'll never guess how

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it broke down, six to three. Yeah, it was a

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long ideological lines. The case was brought by transgender children

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and their parents in Tennessee, who claimed that the state's

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ban on hormone treatments and puberty blockers for transgender miners

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discriminated on the basis of sex. This was their argument.

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They contended that they were being denied equal protection of

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the law because the same medications that are banned for

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miners with gender dysphoria are permitted for other miners with

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conditions like I'm going to butcher this word, I think,

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but it's endometriosis. I think I got that right. And

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early onset puberty or late onset puberty. See. So their

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argument was that if I'm a fourteen year old boy,

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and I'm getting testosterone because I have my puberty is

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not beginning for me or something, and so they recommend

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that I get some hormone treatments. They give me some testosterone.

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And their argument was that, well, I'm a girl and

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I want testosterone, so why can't I have it? And

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the state says I can't. The state bans me from

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getting it, and that's sex discrimination because you're giving it

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to a boy, you're not giving it to a girl.

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See sex discrimination. So they do recognize a different Yeah,

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But writing for the Conservative courts, super majority Chief Justice

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John Roberts rejected that argument entirely. He said that laws

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like Tennessees that turn on age. So it's about age,

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and it's about medical use. What is the drug being

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being used to address? And because that's the way the

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state wrote the law, they are the law is not

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subject to this higher legal scrutiny. Okay, the courts have

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different levels of legal scrutiny. I don't know why I'm

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saying it like scrutiny. I want scrutiny anyway. That kind

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of heightened scrutiny is what the court uses to look

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at things like workplace sex discrimination instead, though, because it's

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about age or medical use, the court applied the lowest

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level of legal scrutiny, which is called rational basis, meaning

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that if there's any rational justification for the law, then

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it passes constitutional muster and there is a rational justification

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for the law. He acknowledged the quote fierce scientific and

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policy debates about the safety, efficacy, and the propriety of

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medical treatments in an evolving field. Roberts said it's not

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the court's job to judge the wisdom or fairness of

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Tennessee's law. The court's job, he said, is only to

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determine whether the law violates the Constitution's guarantee of equal

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protection under the law. Having concluded that the law does

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not unconstitutionally discriminate, the Court leaves these policy questions to

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the people, their elected representatives, and the democratic process. Now,

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states that allow these procedures they can continue to do so.

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This is a concept that maybe folks over on the

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left may not be aware of this. This concept is

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called federalism. States are allowed to do different things. If

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a state decides they don't want this particular thing, they

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say we don't want that thing, and they ban it.

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As long as it's not unconstitutional. While the court's majority

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opinion gave states broad powers to ban or regulate transgender

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medical care for minors, it left unresolved a number of

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questions that very likely will reach the Supreme Court in

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the next term. Among those, there's a challenge to Trump's

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ban on transgender people in the military. There's a challenge

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to the administration's policy denying passports for transgender individuals unless

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they list as their gender unless they're listed as their

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gender as their sex at birth, so you can't change

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your gender for your password for your passport. There's also

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cases involving bans on transgender participation in school sports. Federal

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law bars discrimination based on sex in any education program

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or activity that receives federal funding, so the left is

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to try to completely obliterate female sports. John Bursch, who

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argued and won the case on behalf of the Conservative

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Alliance Defending Freedom or the ADF, said that about half

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the states have adopted laws that prohibit boys who identify

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as girls from participating in girls' sports teams, and he

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said two of those cases are currently pending before the

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US Supreme Court, and then even farther down the road.

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There's another question as to whether states can ban medical

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care for transitioning adults. I think there would be a

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rational basis too also prohibited for adults, he said, and

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that would be up to the states to decide. Justice

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Thomas Clarence Thomas, he called out the courts in a

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concurring opinion for assuming that quote self described experts are

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always correct. He said, this case carries a simple lesson.

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In politically contentious debates over matters shrouded in scientific uncertainty,

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courts should not assume that self described experts are correct. Right.

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This is not settled. This is shrouded in scientific uncertainty,

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and the left wanted the courts to shut it all

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down to say we're certain, believe us we're experts, and

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he says, Clarence Thomas says that we are not experts.

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And just because you say you're an expert doesn't mean

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you are. Because the whole field is unsettled. Courts should

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defer to legislatures over experts, he said. The courts should,

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saying medical professionals quote declared to consensus around the efficacy

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of treating children's gender dysphoria with puberty blockers cross sex

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hormones and surgical interventions, despite mounting evidence to the contrary.

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They have dismissed grave problems undercutting the assumption that young

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children can consent to irreversible treatments that may deprive them

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of their ability to eventually produce children of their own.

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They have built their medical determinations on weak evidence, and

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they have surreptitiously compromised their medical recommendations to achieve political ends.

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He's exactly right, He's exactly right. The corruption of like

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the American Academy of Pediatrics WPATH it is grotesque, absolutely grotesque.

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They embarked upon a political mission, sacrificing their reputations, their credibility,

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and kids. He said, States have an interest in ensuring

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that minor patients have the time and capacity to fully

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understand the irreversible treatments they may undergo. This is why

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I said the question was about age, not sex. It's

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about age and the kids be being that young cannot

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consent because they don't understand. We have age restrictions on

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So the Supreme Court upholds the Tennessee law that bans

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childhood trans surgeries and pharmaceutical interventions and such. This is

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from Jane Coleman at Legal insurrection dot com talking about

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the six' three. Ruling she, said back In, JANUARY i

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predicted how The court would rule and why it would

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rule that. Way THE Us Supreme court will Uphold tennessee's

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transgender care ban for miners because the law does not

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discriminate based on. Sex the restrictions in the law are

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based on age and, use and so that treats both sexes.

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Equally and because transgender care is a hotly debated area of,

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medicine The court will rule that it should be left

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to lawmakers who take expert testimony and are accountable to

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the people they, represent not. Judges the states will determine state,

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policy the state, legislatures the. Governor, so she, says it

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came as some relief yesterday When Chief Justice roberts joined

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by the other five conservative justices and over the descent Of, Kagan,

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sotomayor And, jackson they reach the same conclusion for the same.

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Reasons in The Tennessee, Statute Senate bill one doctors are

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forbidden from prescribing puberty blockers and hormone therapy to children

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until they turn. Eighteen Sex change surgeries for miners are

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also prohibited by the, statute although they were not directly

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ch challenged in the lawsuit because that would be a

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much more difficult case to. Argue, Right, no we have

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to let this twelve year old mutilate their bodies for

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the rest of their, lives you. Know so they didn't

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sue over. That they just sued OVER i just want

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some hormone. Therapy the court held that The Tennessee band

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did not violate the Equal protection clause by discriminating based

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on sex because it does not discriminate based on. Sex,

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again its distinctions are based on age and. Use it

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prohibits healthcare providers from administering puberty blockers and hormones to.

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Miners so there's your age and for certain medical uses

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regardless of a miner's. Sex, Right, so if a twelve year,

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old let me, say a fourteen year old girl has

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early onset puberty or late onset, puberty, whatever she can

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get the hormones needed to treat that. Condition, however if

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a boy goes in there asking for the estrogen without

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any kind of underlying diagnosis of you, know early onset

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puberty or. Whatever they. Cannot they, cannot because that's not

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to treat the thing that they've. Got if they have

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a diagnosis that they, hey you, know they're sixteen years

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old and they haven't started puberty. Yet, okay we need some.

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Testosterone no, no, NO i want estrogen Because i'm. Trans,

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well that's not the treatment for delayed onset, puberty. Right

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the court also ruled that the law doesn't discriminate against

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transgender individuals because it doesn't classify based on transgender. Status

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and Again Clarence thomas rejected the government's arguments for deferring

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to the quote authority of the expert Class he said

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before this, court THE us government asserted that overwhelming evidence

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supports the use of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones

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for treating pediatric gender, dysphoria and that this view represents

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the quote overwhelming consensus of the medical. Community but he

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says the treatments at issue are subject to a rapidly

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evolving debate that demonstrates a lack of medical consensus over

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their risks and their benefits under these. Conditions it is

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imperative that the courts treat state legislation with a strong

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presumption of. Validity Judge alito. Agreed he, said our role

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is not to judge the, wisdom the, fairness or the

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logic of the law before, us but only to ensure

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that it does not violate the equal protection guarantee of

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The Fourteenth. Amendment having concluded that it does, not we

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leave questions regarding its policy to the, people their elected,

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representatives and the democratic. Process, now some were very disappointed

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that The court did not do more to end these

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life altering trans. Treatments but While tennessee's victory is a

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victory for all states with similar, bands the court's limited

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ruling does not go any. Further but here's the. Thing it,

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shouldn't because that's what the law was. About. Right blue

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states that still subject their youth to these, risky, irreversible

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unscientific procedures have nobody to blame but. Themselves they are

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allowing it to. Occur their legislatures are allowing it to. Occur,

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now there was A New York times piece on the

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recent history of the trans. Movement because this ruling has

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now got a lot of people inside that movement wondering

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did we go too? Far and of course the answers

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always know because the left can't go too. Far there

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The New York times has gotten around to documenting this.

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Chronology we'll run through it in a. Minute here's a great.

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seven oh eleven. TEN i Believe Benjamin ryan is the

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reporter for The New York times that wrote this piece

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how the transgender rights movement bet on The Supreme court and.

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Lost and in the write up of this larger, article

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it's behind a, paywall SO i have to ADMIT i

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do not subscribe to The New York. TIMES i, KNOW i,

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know BUT i don't, Subscribe and SO i WAS i

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could not read the entire, writeup SO i read excerpts

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of the entire excerpts of the article in various write

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ups from people who apparently do pay for The New

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York times. Subscription one of them is Hot Air John,

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sexton and he says that a theme emerges in the

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telling of the story that the far left got way

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out of touch with Most americans on this issue in

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ways that completely undermined their initial wins in. Court New

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york Or North CAROLINA'S hb two gets an honorable mention

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in the in this. Story by the, way in, Particular

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sexton says THE, aclu which sued over this and argued

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in front of The Supreme, court the a C lu

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made some dubious choices which they may now regret in,

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private though publicly they are still claiming this was all

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a plot by THE maga, right not THE maga. Right boiled,

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again the a c L u, said uh or. Sorry Anthony,

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romero the ACLU's executive, director Told The New York, times,

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QUOTE i didn't pick this fight around trans. Rights the

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right wing conservatives of THE MAGA gop have made this

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one of their cause celebree issues as a way to

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kind of scapegoat individuals as a way to score cheap political.

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Points see so THE aclu did not drive. This THE,

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aclu they didn't pick this. Fight the left did not

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pick this. Fight this was THE maga right that picked

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the fight of, okay.

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Speaker 2: All, right all, Right.

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Speaker 1: We're Not we're not going to do this every, time all.

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Right so that's their. Story that's THE aclu story, there

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sticking to. It but almost everything else in the story

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undermines that very self serving. Claim THE aclu was in

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fact driving this bus from one victory to another until

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a majority Of americans finally said, enough AS i would,

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say if you're going to use the driving the, bus

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they stormed the, cockpit if you, will, Right they rushed

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the front of the bus Like Keanu reeves did in

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that documentary Called, speed and took control of the bus

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along the road to this. Ruling this it's called The

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scremetti case because that's The Attorney general Of. Tennessee along the.

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Road some believe THE lgbtq movement drove itself towards a

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cliff and took The Democrat party with, it chaining The

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biden administration to one of the most divisive issues In

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american politics at a moment of shifting medical consensus and fierce.

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Polarization according To The New York, times who Quotes Brianna,

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wu a, transwoman so a dude who serves on the

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board Of Rebellion Political Action Committee Rebellion, pack A democrat

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political action. Committee wu, said it's one of the biggest

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mistakes in the history of, transactivism which admittedly is not

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a very long. History BUT i know some would beg

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to differ with, that BUT i stand by. It what

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follows in The New York times piece is a long

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and detailed account of how The Dutch, protocol which we've

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talked about in years, past how that got adopted by

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gender clinics around the, world and how along with it

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came radical redefinitions of basic concepts like sex and. Gender

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The New York times, reports for, decades trans usually referred

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to people of one sex who sought medical treatment to

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help them pass as someone of the opposite. Sex within activist, circles,

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though that idea began to give way to a concept

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called self id self identification right routing gender identity in bodily.

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Autonomy in the wider, culture, though concepts of gender were

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becoming dizzyingly capacious or. Spacious there were so many of

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them and even. Confusing, right do you remember the first

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time you heard this? Stuff non binary. Cisgender by the

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mid twenty, Tens time magazine declared That america had reached

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a transgender tipping. POINT a transperson might identify as male or,

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female or neither gender. Fluid the phrase sex assigned at,

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birth originally devised to classify babies that were born with

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ambiguous genitalia or other rare congenital, disorders was now employed

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to suggest that biological sex was completely, arbitrary even a

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kind of. Fiction, really, oh that's just what the doctor called.

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You physicians increasingly then advocated a gender affirming a. Coach

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in twenty, eighteen the gender affirming model was endorsed by

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The American academy Of, pediatrics one of the country's most

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influential medical. Groups, again The New York times, reports some

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doctors and activists went. Further in a twenty nineteen journal,

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article the trans Bioethicist Florence ashley argued that trans, people

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including older, teenagers should not require a formal diagnosis of

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dysphoria before gaining access to cross sex, hormones because that

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was The dutch. Protocol you had to have the diagnosis,

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first and then they were, like screw, that we don't

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need any. Diagnosis rather than relieving supposed. Distress this transgender

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bioethicist wrote that patients might be seeking a quote gender

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euphoria or creative, transfiguration which sees the body as a

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to THREE, wbt reading From John sexton's piece at hot

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air dot com about The New York times article how

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the transgender rights movement bet on The Supreme court and

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lost one of the people who held the maximalist views

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on you, know trans, ideology person by the name Of Chase,

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strangeo who was the. Lawyer That's chase Strange, geo the

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lawyer who joined THE aclu and wound up arguing The

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scrematti case before THE Us Supreme. Court and by the,

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way that's not her real. Name she ditched her real

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name took the Name chase Strange geo when she went

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did underwent the. Transition so interesting story that's included in

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The New York times. Piece in twenty, sixteen When North

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carolina passed a bathroom bill requiring trans people to use

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the bathroom of their birth, sex the left responded with

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A tv. Ed in a spot that first aired On Fox,

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news the woman is barred from a restaurant bathroom by

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an angry, manager who backs down after two other women.

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Intercede the trans woman says in a, VOICEOVER i was

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born with a male, body but INSIDE i always KNEW

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i was, female And Chase strangio found that. OFFENSIVE i

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actually have argued With Chase strangio back during this twenty

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SIXTEEN hb two debate before she was ever with THE.

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Aclu strangio found this ad to be offensive because it

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wasn't radical. Enough according to two people present for the,

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Discussion strangio disputed that a trans woman could be born

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with a male body or born. Male In strangio's, view

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a trans woman was born a woman just like any other.

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Woman there was no such thing as a male. Body

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strangio told his her. Colleagues this is What strangeo. Said.

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QUOTE a penis is not a male body. Part it's

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just an on you usual body part for a.

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Speaker 2: WOMAN i don't even why would it be, Unusual chase Strange,

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eo what makes it? Unusual before the advertisement, Aired strangeo

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elaborated on this critique in an article published over at

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slate dot.

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Speaker 1: Com. Quote many advocates defend the use of the born

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mail or born with a male body narrative as being

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easier for non trans people to understand. It of, course

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it is easier to understand since it reinforces deeply entrenched

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views about what makes a man and what makes a.

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Woman but it is precisely these views that we must.

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Change the. Left John sexton says the left won the

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battle In North carolina and the bathroom bill was, overturned

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then they kept moving. Forward on his first day in,

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Office biden signed in order mandating that executive agencies interpret

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the word sex in all federal anti discrimination law to

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include gender. Identity so this covered prisons and schools and

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all other institutions and such more or. Less BY, fiat

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the administration had deemed self identification the law of the

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land and then comes the, pushback and it really started after.

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This it turned out a lot of voters were not

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upset about trans adults using a, bathroom but they drew

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the line when it came to. Children from The New

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York times Piece Terry, shilling president of The American Principles,

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project a conservative advocacy, group they, Said Terry shilling, says

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there wasn't much of a difference in where people were

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on sports than where they were on sex changes for.

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Miners but we could not get politicians to talk about

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sex changes for kids until the fight around sports got.

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Started that's what shifted. Things now politicians could talk about

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it in. Respect sponds to this, backlash groups LIKE wpath

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began making transparently political, decisions writing their guidelines in such

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a way that they could be held up in court

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to defeat state. Bans but some people inside that organization

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saw what was happening and called it, out Including Marcy,

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bauers a surgeon WITH wpath their president, elect as Well Erica,

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anderson a psychologist former president OF. Wpath but they continued

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down the. Path they even Allowed Rachel levine to push

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them into deleting age limits from the twenty twenty two.

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GUIDELINES i talked about that when it. Happened, meanwhile THE

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aclu had decided to take The tennessee case to The Supreme.

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Court by the time they got to oral arguments Last,

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December Chase strangio was actually using the term born mail

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in the oral. Arguments the loss In scremette has some

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trans people now wondering if it isn't time to Abandon

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strangio style. Extremism that brand of trans politics is looking

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more like a dead end these, days as polls show

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solid majorities are against the more extreme manifestations of these.

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Ideas but even now anyone who takes a different view

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has to contend with the far left dead enders who

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see any compromise as. Unacceptable But sexton, concludes it's good

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to see The New York times chronicling this story in

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a way that admits a few key, Points and the

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first is that it was not the right that started this.

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Push it was the. Left they, pushed and they, pushed

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and they won for years in court they won and.

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Won and one just as what happened with the adoption

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of the defund the police people eventually, decided you know,

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what that's too far that's a bit. Much we shall

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see what happens with the other cases related to this

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because they're in the. Pipeline all. Right that'll do it

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again thank you so much for, listening and don't break

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anything While i'm. Gone