Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Al Griffin. I am been following
Speaker 2: throughout the day a couple of big stories.
Speaker 3: And we'll talk about both of them tonight a little bit.
Speaker 3: And there's a couple of other options.
Speaker 2: We have whatever, but the big story. Normally we go
Speaker 2: with the local story first.
Speaker 3: But we were on.
Speaker 2: Air last night and around nine thirty quarter ten, the
Speaker 2: whole situation in the Middle East changed dramatically, and so
Speaker 2: I think all of you know there was a barrage,
Speaker 2: a Israeli missile barrage that I think was a devastating
Speaker 2: from all everything that we could see, a devastating effort
Speaker 2: by Israel against Tehran. It was well planned, it was
Speaker 2: well executed. Many of the leadership of the Iran in military,
Speaker 2: the Revolutionary Guard leaders, and some of the top scientists.
Speaker 2: I think I heard today something a figure like nine
Speaker 2: out of the top thirteen nuclear scientists in Iran are
Speaker 2: no more. And so today during the daytime hours and
Speaker 2: on now into tonight, and it's probably nine o'clock here,
Speaker 2: so it's probably four o'clock in the morning. Over in Israel,
Speaker 2: there has been a bombardment coming in on Tel Aviv
Speaker 2: and actually onto the civilian communities, the residential areas on
Speaker 2: the outskirts of Tel Aviv, and there have been some casualties.
Speaker 2: There has been probably a stronger reaction than Israel might
Speaker 2: have anticipated. Now the ball will be back in israel court.
Speaker 2: And what are they going to do. They did hit
Speaker 2: some homes in Tehran, but these are the homes of
Speaker 2: military or scientific leaders. They were targeted specifically to take
Speaker 2: out leadership. In the past, as I understand it, Iran
Speaker 2: has tended to focus and Israel also has tended to
Speaker 2: focus on military targets. The fact that either or both
Speaker 2: of these countries would now spread their assaults and their
Speaker 2: attacks towards residential areas is not a good development for sure.
Speaker 2: At the same time, let's be clear eyed and let's
Speaker 2: realize who is fighting and who were exchanging missiles at
Speaker 2: this point. Iran a dictatorial theocracy that has been in
Speaker 2: the hands of extremists now for forty six years since
Speaker 2: the Ayatola came back to Iran after having been in
Speaker 2: exile in Paris in the late in nineteen seventy nine. Actually,
Speaker 2: so it's been forty six years that Tehran has basically
Speaker 2: been under a dictatorship, again, a theocratic theological dictatorship, and
Speaker 2: I think everybody understands and everybody knows what that has
Speaker 2: meant to the freedom and the lifestyle of individual Iranian
Speaker 2: citizens and has not been good. Israel, on the other hand,
Speaker 2: is the only genuine democracy that I am aware of
Speaker 2: in the Middle East, and it has been our staunchest ally.
Speaker 2: And I know that we have been dealing with anti
Speaker 2: Semitism here in the United States in the last few years,
Speaker 2: but Israel is fighting for its very survival, and we
Speaker 2: need to understand that what they are doing is in
Speaker 2: the interest of basically surviving as a nation. They will survive.
Speaker 2: Israel has fought wars for virtually all seventy seven years
Speaker 2: of its existence. That fought many Arab neighbors. Some of
Speaker 2: the countries that are now counted amongst their allies are
Speaker 2: former enemies in the battlefield. So that is the situation
Speaker 2: over there, and I am inviting each and every one
Speaker 2: of you what my concern is, and it is a
Speaker 2: concern that this war remains limited to the Middle East.
Speaker 2: I think the United States so far has handled themselves
Speaker 2: pretty well. We have been helping Israel with their iron
Speaker 2: dome and have been trying to shoot down as many
Speaker 2: missiles ballistic missiles as we can. I don't think that
Speaker 2: Israel threw its biggest punch last night. It was an
Speaker 2: effective punch, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Netanyahu picks up the pace in the next
Speaker 2: response from Israel towards Iran. And I think I read
Speaker 2: today that I think sixty percent of the Iranian people
Speaker 2: are under the age of thirty. That is an old dictator,
Speaker 2: It's an old leadership. It is an old country and
Speaker 2: an old leadership. And hopefully, hopefully, as Israel appeals to
Speaker 2: the people of Iran, those people will at some point
Speaker 2: rise up and throw off the shackles of theocracy. And
Speaker 2: you know, not only a theocracy, but also this dictatorship
Speaker 2: under which they have lived for most of their lives.
Speaker 2: So I want to open up the phone lines and
Speaker 2: we'll talk for a little while. You'll decide how long
Speaker 2: we'll talk about this. We will get to the Karen
Speaker 2: Reid case, which is now in the hands of the jury,
Speaker 2: I promise, and then at eleven o'clock we will do
Speaker 2: a twentieth hour And I'm going to ask you to
Speaker 2: perhaps salute your favorite your favorite father. Maybe it's your
Speaker 2: own dad, or maybe it's maybe it's the dad of
Speaker 2: your children. I just want to give everybody any opportunity
Speaker 2: to get Father's Day started a little early. We're going
Speaker 2: to take a very quick break and we'll open up
Speaker 2: lines six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, six one, seven, nine,
Speaker 2: three one ten thirty. Feel free to join the conversation.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Israel, and I want Israel
Speaker 2: to know that my audience has their back. If you
Speaker 2: disagree and think that this situation is something that is
Speaker 2: more explosive and more dangerous than perhaps that, I believe
Speaker 2: we can have that conversation. I don't think anyone in
Speaker 2: my audience I would hope is going to be rooting
Speaker 2: for Iran in a military face off with Israel. Join
Speaker 2: the conversation, be right back on Israel. We'll start off
Speaker 2: with Joel on the other side. Joel, you'll be first up.
Speaker 2: You're going to lead us off tonight, and I hope
Speaker 2: we'll have many who will follow. Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty, six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: There is no question in my mind who are the
Speaker 2: good guys and who are the bad guys in this fight?
Speaker 2: Back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Hard, We're talking about war in the Middle East, and
Speaker 2: make no mistake, it is war. Let's go to Joel
Speaker 2: and Natick. Joel, you first this hour on Nightside, your
Speaker 2: thoughts on what's transpiring even as we speak right.
Speaker 4: Now, Joel, Okay, Ailear had it coming as they were
Speaker 4: starring talks with the US concern and New Arsenal. Israel
Speaker 4: was right to do what they had to do to
Speaker 4: defend themselves against Iran. However, now we will see pro
Speaker 4: Iranian protests and anti US and anti Israel protests saying
Speaker 4: death to Israel and death to the US.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess in a free country we can always
Speaker 2: see those sorts of protests. But I can't imagine why
Speaker 2: any one here in America would be stupid enough not
Speaker 2: to understand the fundamental differences between Israel and Iran. I mean,
Speaker 2: Iran is a theocracy, It's a dictatorship. It is cruel
Speaker 2: to its women, it is cruel to people who happen
Speaker 2: to be gay, and gay people are thrown off of
Speaker 2: building tops in Iran. I don't understand. I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess we'll see you, Joe and and I and I
Speaker 2: hope that those people are truly just ignored. To be
Speaker 2: honest with you, I think that we almost shouldn't give
Speaker 2: them to time, give them the time of day, or
Speaker 2: the or the attention that I mean, how can how
Speaker 2: can someone, in your opinion, choose between the US or
Speaker 2: other Israel and Iran and come up with anything other than.
Speaker 3: Israel.
Speaker 2: As as as who you root for in this battle,
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't understand it.
Speaker 4: It's a no brainer, Dan.
Speaker 2: It's a no brainer to me. I hope it's a
Speaker 2: no brainer to everybody in this audience, because if Israel
Speaker 2: were to somehow fall, and hopefully Israel will never fall,
Speaker 2: but if somehow Israel was overrun, that that would change
Speaker 2: the Middle East overnight, and it would change the world overnight.
Speaker 2: And people need to understand that. In my opinion, that
Speaker 2: you know, they are the last best hope of mankind
Speaker 2: in a really important.
Speaker 3: Part of the world.
Speaker 4: I definitely agree with.
Speaker 2: You, Jeff rather Joel as always great to hear your voice.
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for joining the conversation. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Very much.
Speaker 4: Okay, hell believing Dan, thank you you too, Joel.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and to you thanks Joel. Talk soon, Okay,
Speaker 2: thank you very much. I'm hoping to hear from as
Speaker 2: many of you as possible. Okay, right now, I have
Speaker 2: wide open lines. I know that sometimes in the nine
Speaker 2: o'clock hour we don't talk about issues of international importance.
Speaker 3: But this is one that is of international importance.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that Iran, even though Iran does have
Speaker 2: allies in Russia and China and North Korea, I don't
Speaker 2: think North Korea can be of any help to Iran
Speaker 2: at this point point. I don't think China or Russia can,
Speaker 2: particularly in terms of what's going on in Ukraine. Iran,
Speaker 2: by the way, has been selling and supplying drones to Russia,
Speaker 2: which Russia has been using to attack Ukraine. I mean,
Speaker 2: all of these various relationships are intertwined. I mean, we
Speaker 2: obviously are a great friend of Israel, as we should be,
Speaker 2: and we've been a great friend of Israel through democrats
Speaker 2: and republicans. It is it is a democracy. It's a
Speaker 2: country that for seventy seven years now has stood and
Speaker 2: faced off against enemies who have surrounded them if I
Speaker 2: don't know how many of you have taken a look
Speaker 2: at the map of the Middle East, but when you
Speaker 2: realize that Israel is about the size of the state
Speaker 2: of New Jersey, that's all, that's all, And it is
Speaker 2: in a huge land ass in the Middle East, surrounded
Speaker 2: by people who have malign, intense intentions towards the state
Speaker 2: of Israel. A lot of it is virulent anti Semitism,
Speaker 2: but a lot of it also is just plain jealousy
Speaker 2: that Israel has made as much of that that that
Speaker 2: strip of land that they that they well they can
Speaker 2: trace their roots to for thousands of years, but that
Speaker 2: that they were given after World War two and after
Speaker 2: what Jewish people had endured in World War two.
Speaker 3: So there's history there.
Speaker 2: There's also it's such an important piece of property, uh
Speaker 2: geographically on the Mediterranean Sea. And for those of us
Speaker 2: who don't think about those things, I guess it's easy
Speaker 2: to to.
Speaker 3: To just.
Speaker 2: You know, say, well, it doesn't affect me. I don't
Speaker 2: live in the Middle East, I don't live in Israel.
Speaker 2: I'm not Jewish. Well, it would affect all of us.
Speaker 2: Let's go next to Paul Is in Dorchester. Paul I
Speaker 2: appreciate you calling in your thoughts on what's going on
Speaker 2: over there. Paul, go right ahead. Oh got to hit
Speaker 2: that button. I missed the button, Paul, was that was
Speaker 2: my mistake? Paul, I missed the button.
Speaker 5: Right ahead, that's all right, all right man. This is
Speaker 5: a lot of people have been missing the button the
Speaker 5: last four years. But thank god we got the button.
Speaker 5: What concerns me, sir, is the lack of interest on
Speaker 5: this issue.
Speaker 6: I feel that there should be more people outraged, that
Speaker 6: there should be more concerned, that more support.
Speaker 5: This was we were next.
Speaker 7: This was a long time coming.
Speaker 5: These people are are not normal human beings. They believe
Speaker 5: that when they die they get seventy two virgins. I mean,
Speaker 5: how insane is that. And it's like they don't tolerate
Speaker 5: gay people. These folks that they would go over there,
Speaker 5: they would kill them, you.
Speaker 2: Know these Yeah, an isn't a question. They would they do.
Speaker 5: And then like our congressman, like Talib and AOC, if
Speaker 5: they weren't over there, they would consider it their right
Speaker 5: to rape them. They people are and they don't know
Speaker 5: what they're defending. I'd blame the media because people are
Speaker 5: so ignorant to even defend these things that are going
Speaker 5: on in college. And I say ignorant because they're not stupid.
Speaker 5: It's just a lack of information. They don't know what
Speaker 5: the truth is. These people have been brainwashed in When
Speaker 5: I was in college, can I tell you. I had
Speaker 5: a sociology professor that used to drive a cab okay,
Speaker 5: and he did not like the capitalist system. He thought
Speaker 5: there ought to be a distribution of wealth. I had
Speaker 5: another guy that like, unless you gave them back what
Speaker 5: they wanted, you're not going to get an A in
Speaker 5: their course. I had. I had a guy that says,
Speaker 5: there's only one A in this course, and it's me.
Speaker 5: And I was so tempted to say, we know what
Speaker 5: that stands for.
Speaker 2: But I get it. You don't have to say it,
Speaker 2: but I get it.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, and and Dan. They brainwashed the kids they started.
Speaker 5: This was been a scheme going on. It's why you're
Speaker 5: not hearing any support for this. The said, you know
Speaker 5: some of the young kids calling in on your show,
Speaker 5: I have hope I hear them. You know, one of
Speaker 5: my greatest concerns in my life was that I never
Speaker 5: got to walk amongst great men like Ben Franklin and
Speaker 5: Thomas Jefferson, people of that, natcha. And and I feel
Speaker 5: that I've been given the privilege to have a couple
Speaker 5: of people like President Trump and and and and Rubio
Speaker 5: and and and our vice president. We have some great
Speaker 5: people as leaders right now. And and and I think
Speaker 5: that we have to I all gotta thank God. We
Speaker 5: all got to get together and whatever invisible God you
Speaker 5: believe in.
Speaker 8: You got to.
Speaker 5: Hope that everybody loves their children.
Speaker 2: You know. That's that's that is Yeah, that is a factor.
Speaker 2: I mean you you could easily see uh Iran do something.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you if if Iran continues to pound
Speaker 2: Israeli suburbs and the Israeli civilian population, Uh, don't be
Speaker 2: surprised if if Israel uh gets gets tough, because Israel
Speaker 2: has the ability to get tough with Iran.
Speaker 3: There's no question about that.
Speaker 2: And and if Iran plays that game now again, Iran
Speaker 2: might might have a leadership there that is somehow suicidal
Speaker 2: that thinks that if they, as you said, we were
Speaker 2: to were to die, uh, they would be rewarded for
Speaker 2: it in heaven. Well, you know, I don't think that
Speaker 2: that their their perception of what heaven is is is
Speaker 2: anything close to what your perception is or my perception.
Speaker 2: But we have to watch it. We have to watch it,
Speaker 2: that's for sure, Paul. I'm up on the breaking what about.
Speaker 5: It's almost like monkey Python fighting the Black Night. It's like,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, you keep you, you knock
Speaker 5: his arms off, and then you're gonna go off to
Speaker 5: his legs and before you know it, you just gotta
Speaker 5: you just got a flapping tongue on the ground, you know,
Speaker 5: and you and you gotta stomp it out. I just
Speaker 5: it's it's incredible that they just won't take acceptance. They
Speaker 5: will not take cohabitation on this planet.
Speaker 2: They want to put it simply, Paul, it's their way
Speaker 2: or the highway. And uh they they they do not
Speaker 2: view they view this, uh the the afterlife as something
Speaker 2: that they're going to be rewarded. They got into this
Speaker 2: set of beliefs. They can have whatever set of beliefs
Speaker 2: they want. But when you act on those set of beliefs,
Speaker 2: that's that's that can be a problem. Paul.
Speaker 5: I got to run on my break though. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I got it, I got it, I got it. Paul,
Speaker 2: Thank you for carling and I appreciate your passion. Thank
Speaker 2: you very much. We will take a break. Uh And
Speaker 2: I want to see some more lines here. Six one seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten
Speaker 2: thirty And I want to see different viewpoints. If you
Speaker 2: disagree with me, that's fine. Israel has every right to
Speaker 2: defend themselves in whatever way they choose to defend themselves,
Speaker 2: because they do not have an obligation to lie down
Speaker 2: like a lamb and be slaughtered. And that is what
Speaker 2: Benjamin Nett and Yahoo personifies. Six one seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: This is an important topic. It's more important than the
Speaker 2: case Aaron Reid case, although we will get to the
Speaker 2: Karen Read case later.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I've often been counseled that talk show audiences it's
Speaker 2: it's it's above their heads to talk about international relations
Speaker 2: and all of that. I don't think it's about the
Speaker 2: heads of my audience. Don't prove me wrong. We'll be
Speaker 2: back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: I would like to see some pro Israel parades in
Speaker 2: Boston and across the country tomorrow. That's what I would
Speaker 2: like to see because I think that is very important,
Speaker 2: and that's why we're talking about it tonight. And by
Speaker 2: the way, my intention is to switch topics at ten o'clock.
Speaker 2: So if you're hanging around figuring that you'll get in
Speaker 2: late and get the final word at ten o'clock, you
Speaker 2: better call now six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty,
Speaker 2: six one seven, nine three one ten thirty Jack and Newton. Jack,
Speaker 2: you are next on nightside. Go right ahead, Jack.
Speaker 8: How you doing. I said Shabat shalom.
Speaker 2: Schabat shlom to you as well.
Speaker 8: Go right ahead, Jack. Porter. You know that previous guy
Speaker 8: who I think maybe I would have a sociologists who
Speaker 8: drives a cab if that was humans Lowell. I don't
Speaker 8: know who it was, but I think I could get
Speaker 8: in touch with him. But I never brainwashed my stewards.
Speaker 8: They were pretty independent. I think it's.
Speaker 2: I think there's a I think there's a I think
Speaker 2: that you can be I think that there are people Jack,
Speaker 2: who can be conservative in this country and can be
Speaker 2: liberal in this country, and and people who might disagree
Speaker 2: on social issues in some social issues and maybe disagree
Speaker 2: in economics. But I can't see how anyone can look
Speaker 2: at a showdown between Iran and Israel and come to
Speaker 2: any conclusion other than we need to have Israel's back.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, no, I I've been critical of Israel and Gaza.
Speaker 8: I believe that nothing album you know, has the right
Speaker 8: to bomb and destroy, you know, the New Year capability. Uh,
Speaker 8: it's interesting that America Trump is not involved. I just
Speaker 8: might answer the previous caller why there's not that much
Speaker 8: interest in some people's America is becoming isolationist. Even Tucker
Speaker 8: Carlson just today said that.
Speaker 2: You know, do me a favorite, Jack Jack, Jack, Jack Jack,
Speaker 2: do me a favor. Okay, if you want to quote
Speaker 2: George Washington, if you want to quote Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin.
Speaker 2: But I don't need some podcast guy to be quoted
Speaker 2: on my on my station, to be really on my show,
Speaker 2: to be really honest with you, if you if you
Speaker 2: you know, please, well you don't need to explain to
Speaker 2: me because I don't really want to hear anything that
Speaker 2: he might have to say, and I don't want a
Speaker 2: conversation of about him or anyone else on my show.
Speaker 2: My show is Nightside with Dan Ray, and I value
Speaker 2: the thoughts of my listeners, uh and and I value
Speaker 2: my thoughts of the thoughts of you and of Paul
Speaker 2: and of Joel. I don't care what some of these
Speaker 2: other people who are who are out looking to uh
Speaker 2: to to whip people up and and and make some
Speaker 2: money on a podcast or whatever like that.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 8: You know, I I was saying, is that there's an
Speaker 8: isolationist approach that President Trump is taking.
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure about that. I'll disagree with you
Speaker 2: in that, Okay, I will disagree with you, and I'll
Speaker 2: tell you why I'm going to disagree with you on that. Okay,
Speaker 2: name me a president who has been more supportive of
Speaker 2: Israel than Donald Trump.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying that he's not supportive. He was Israel
Speaker 8: to do the battles. He doesn't want to send truth.
Speaker 2: There's two trons, Jack, Jack, let me tell you what
Speaker 2: I believe, and then you can tell me what you believe.
Speaker 2: I believe with Trump, there's two prongs. He doesn't want
Speaker 2: the United States to have ground troops in the Middle East,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that Benjamintaho wants.
Speaker 3: It as well.
Speaker 2: There are US ships right now who are taking down
Speaker 2: Iranian ballistic missiles with from from From There's a ship
Speaker 2: out there, the USS Sullivan, which is which is basically
Speaker 2: helping the Iron Dome Dome protect Israel. What Trump is
Speaker 2: also doing, which I think is equally important, is he
Speaker 2: is appealing to the better angels and perhaps the economic
Speaker 2: interest of other Arab countries who have been enemies for
Speaker 2: years of Israel, and saying that then it's in your
Speaker 2: economic interest to recognize Israel, to work with Israel. We're
Speaker 2: talking about the Abraham Accords. That is his idea. That
Speaker 2: is way to peace in the Middle East if you
Speaker 2: can eliminate Iran, or at least eliminate the leadership in Iran,
Speaker 2: and bring Saudi and and cutter Uh and the Arab
Speaker 2: Emirates and all and and and potentially Jordan's and maybe
Speaker 2: even Syria and Egypt into a better economic version of
Speaker 2: the Middle East and exists today that will benefit Israel.
Speaker 2: Go right ahead, you got the floor.
Speaker 8: Well, I'm just saying is that, of course champ has
Speaker 8: Israel's back, but he doesn't want to be the one
Speaker 8: to drop the bomb on Iran. Doesn't want to send
Speaker 8: in American troops. He wants he wants he was moving
Speaker 8: in a more of an isolation as a perspective, of course,
Speaker 8: using diploma, say, but not getting involved militarily.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 8: He wants to reduce that that imprint around the world.
Speaker 2: That's why name name me one, Name me another president
Speaker 2: who would have got involved militarily. A Do you think
Speaker 2: Joe Biden would have got involved militarily in this situation?
Speaker 8: I'm not making it up. President Trump has said publicly
Speaker 8: he wants to step away a bar of an isolationist approach.
Speaker 2: Okay, you look, Jack, you don't like Donald Trump, which
Speaker 2: is fine. There's a lot about Donald Trump that I
Speaker 2: don't like. But I think that the way he's handling
Speaker 2: the Middle East is brilliant.
Speaker 3: Right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's allowing Net and Yahoo to do what Net
Speaker 2: and Yahoo can do. It is not in our interest
Speaker 2: to wipe out the Iranian nuclear threat. Israel can wipe
Speaker 2: out the Iranian nuclear threat. He's doing a good cop,
Speaker 2: bad cop thing with Iran. He's telling them come back
Speaker 2: to the table, let's negotiate before it's too late. Jack,
Speaker 2: you're a smart guy. Trump is is is very supportive
Speaker 2: of Israel, and he may be an isolationist. He doesn't
Speaker 2: want to start to get involved in another twenty year war.
Speaker 2: Like George Bush and a lot of Democrat are happy
Speaker 2: to beat the drums for war and go after war.
Speaker 2: I'm stunned that you don't see that. I really mean it.
Speaker 2: I know that you're a.
Speaker 8: Democrat, said, I agree with your last sons. He doesn't
Speaker 8: want to get into any long range war, but you
Speaker 8: will back Israel one hundred percent if Israel gets into trouble.
Speaker 8: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And guess what I'm in agreement with you? Then I
Speaker 2: guess when you were labeling him an isolationist. He's not
Speaker 2: an isolationist in the early twentieth century isolation you're a historian,
Speaker 2: and you're probably a better historian than I am. But
Speaker 2: those isolationists, they wanted nothing to do with Europe. They
Speaker 2: when Hitler was marching across Europe, there were people in
Speaker 2: this country and leadership who said we're going to turn
Speaker 2: away ships that when the US, when the Saint Louis
Speaker 2: arrived with Jewish refugees from Europe, that ship was turned away.
Speaker 2: That's isolationism.
Speaker 8: Isolation is not a diplomatic isolationist.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, yeah, and and with with the
Speaker 3: so good.
Speaker 2: We're we're in agreement, okay, Jack, I think it. Look
Speaker 2: I think we have more in agreement than disagreement, to
Speaker 2: be quite honest with you. Thank you, Thanks my friend.
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon. Okay, have a great night. Let's keep
Speaker 2: rolling here. If you if you disagree with me on that,
Speaker 2: you're more than welcome. Six one seven, two, five four
Speaker 2: to ten thirty. Rob, do me a favor. Would you
Speaker 2: take Jackson down? For some reason, I'm having trouble dropping calls,
Speaker 2: so just stay on top of that because they don't
Speaker 2: want to waste time. Six one seven, two, five four
Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Abraham in new report. Abraham, you're next
Speaker 2: on nights. I go right ahead.
Speaker 7: Hey Dan, thank you for taking my call. Uh, I
Speaker 7: think met me out? Who is a walk for middle
Speaker 7: and absolutely not? And the reason n I think so?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 7: I mean, I totally agree with Israel's right to defend itself,
Speaker 7: what after what happened on October in October a couple
Speaker 7: of years ago. But he's gone way over beyond, way
Speaker 7: over beyond that. I mean, everybody sees the destruction of guys.
Speaker 7: Everybody sees you know, ends upon tens of thousands of
Speaker 7: civilians killed. We had, I mean, from what I understand,
Speaker 7: we had a peace talks was supposed to start tomorrow
Speaker 7: with Iran, and before start.
Speaker 2: Actually actually peace peace talks have been underway. They was
Speaker 2: they were supposed to renew there was a scheduled meeting
Speaker 2: on Sunday, uh And whether or not or not is
Speaker 2: going to show up to that, God only knows. But
Speaker 2: Iran has been dragging their seasons, Abraham. Iran has been
Speaker 2: dragging their feet for almost ten years. They they they
Speaker 2: yanked the chain of President Obama. They they have been
Speaker 2: building that weaponry. You made the comment that you think Netnia,
Speaker 2: who is a war criminal?
Speaker 3: You, I assume.
Speaker 2: Believe he's a war criminal because of the amount of
Speaker 2: people who have died in Israel's response to what happened
Speaker 2: in October of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: I assume that's what you're referring to.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, fair enough.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you an honest question.
Speaker 2: Do you think that do you think that Franklin Roosevelt
Speaker 2: and Winston Churchill and Harry Truman were bought were war criminals.
Speaker 2: Harry Truman is the only politician to have ever dropped
Speaker 2: two nuclear weapons on Japan. Roosevelt and Churchill destroyed German cities.
Speaker 2: Primary primary, first of first of of all, Dresden.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna call nit Nyah a war criminal, you
Speaker 2: better be prepared intellectually to also put Churchill, Roosevelt, and
Speaker 2: Truman in the same category. Uh.
Speaker 7: Dan, I'd like to get back to the current state of.
Speaker 2: But would you answer. I'll let you get back to the
Speaker 2: current state office because you answer my question, do you
Speaker 2: because you may consider Truman uh? And uh and Roosevelt
Speaker 2: and Churchill war criminals? Are they in your mind because
Speaker 2: they killed a lot of innocent people?
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so are you? So you know, do that
Speaker 7: you must be equating October sixth, which World War two.
Speaker 2: I'm not equating October sixth to World War two. What
Speaker 2: I am saying is that you Israel, No.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, what what would have you had?
Speaker 2: What would have no? Okay, look, we could have won.
Speaker 2: You're gonna you're gonna try to yell at while I talking.
Speaker 2: You asked me a question. I'm not equating October sixth
Speaker 2: to World War Two. But I am saying that every
Speaker 2: situation is a unique situation. We were in a situation
Speaker 2: after the attack on Pearl Harbor. If the Japanese had
Speaker 2: never attacked Pearl Harbor and had never started World War
Speaker 2: two with US, we would not have had to have
Speaker 2: dropped bombs of horotim in Nagasaki. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2: If Hamas had not slaughtered Jews, THENT and Yahoo would
Speaker 2: not have attacked Gaza. And it's real easy to say
Speaker 2: to throw allegations of war criminal at Benjamin not Yaho
Speaker 2: or anyone else you want, but you got to realize
Speaker 2: that he has a responsibility at the head of his government,
Speaker 2: as Roosevelt, Truman and others had in Churchill had a
Speaker 2: responsibility to save their countries as well. I'll give you
Speaker 2: a final word, go right ahead.
Speaker 7: Well, I'd just like to get about Tyron. That's why
Speaker 7: I called up. I'll up to talk about World War two.
Speaker 2: Well, you're the one who's you're the one who's calling
Speaker 2: war criminal.
Speaker 7: You're you're you you were Basically that's based on on
Speaker 7: different set of facts. Then happen the one you're the
Speaker 7: one who's.
Speaker 2: Calling him a war criminal. The other one who's calling
Speaker 2: a war criminal. I'm pointing out the absurdity of your allegation.
Speaker 2: Go right ahead. I'll give you a final word if
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 7: You're equating who rose in Churchill?
Speaker 2: I think that yes, yes, yes, hetting the same thing
Speaker 2: as now you asked me the question, I'll give you
Speaker 2: the answer. He represents democracy against a theocracy. He represents
Speaker 2: a group of free people who have been persecuted for centuries, okay,
Speaker 2: and who have been who have been been walked into
Speaker 2: gas chambers, uh in, within the within the last one
Speaker 2: hundred years. He represents and wants to make sure that's
Speaker 2: never going to happen again. And if you can't understand that,
Speaker 2: and when his country is attacked and his people are attacked,
Speaker 2: he will do the same thing to defend his nation
Speaker 2: as Roosevelt, Truman, and Churchill did to defend theirs. And
Speaker 2: if you don't see the analogy, then you're not looking
Speaker 2: too hard.
Speaker 7: So as I originally called up to talk about Iran,
Speaker 7: I think it was terribly disrespectful for Nanya, who to
Speaker 7: do this just days before was supposed to engage in
Speaker 7: additional peace talks of them for ten years.
Speaker 2: For ten years, Iran has has delayed installed in an
Speaker 2: effort to get a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 7: What about that deal? How about the deal that Trump
Speaker 7: tore up. There was a deal in place, not ten
Speaker 7: years ago. There was a deal in place.
Speaker 2: The deal that you're talking about. The deal that you're
Speaker 2: talking about is the deal that the Obama administration and
Speaker 2: John Kerry came up with four back in twenty and sixteen,
Speaker 2: twenty and seventeen, twenty sixteen. Yeah, that was a bad
Speaker 2: deal for America, and thank god Donald Trump recognized it. Abraham,
Speaker 2: we've gone seven minutes. Please call again. I get a
Speaker 2: little excited. I don't happen to be Jewish, but but
Speaker 2: the guy that founded my religion was Jewish and his
Speaker 2: parents were Jewish, and I'm tired of Jewish people. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: then that I'm tired of Jewish people being being slaughtered
Speaker 2: by by at different points in our history. It has
Speaker 2: to stop.
Speaker 7: And Israel is the slaughtered.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I don't want to see anyone slaughtered. But
Speaker 2: I got to tell you, if you want to attack
Speaker 2: the United States, be prepared to be slaughtered, and if
Speaker 2: you want to attack Israel, be prepared to be slaughtered. Abraham,
Speaker 2: I'm way past my break. You got to let you go. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: call again. We'll have a spirit of conversation again, Thank you, Rob.
Speaker 2: You got to drop these calls from me here. I
Speaker 2: don't know why. For some reason, I can adjust my
Speaker 2: call my call screener here during the during the ten
Speaker 2: o'clock news six one thirty six seven, if you want
Speaker 2: to try to get jump in feel free.
Speaker 1: Coming back on Nightside, It's Nightside with Dan Ray on
Speaker 1: Way Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to the call. It's going to
Speaker 2: go to uh Sandy in West Roxbury. Sandy next on Nightside,
Speaker 2: Go right ahead, Hi, Sandy, how are you doing? Night?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Sandy good.
Speaker 9: I don't even know what to say because I'm flabric acid.
Speaker 9: I'd like to give people a vene sit of a
Speaker 9: doubt and know that everybody hates war. Everybody hates war
Speaker 9: except crazy people. Crazy people thrive on it. They live
Speaker 9: on it. That's what they want, and so they're going
Speaker 9: to go out of their way to provoke it. They
Speaker 9: don't Hitler.
Speaker 2: Hitler was crazy. At is at is at is your
Speaker 2: core and the the Mullas in Toronto crazy and they
Speaker 2: would they don't care.
Speaker 9: No, they don't care because they don't understand. You know,
Speaker 9: it's some people just have. They just crave the craziness
Speaker 9: of war and that's how they live and that's how
Speaker 9: they thrive. And you know, you not you. But if
Speaker 9: one ignores these people and you know, peace in our
Speaker 9: time and all that, looney, it's just going to get
Speaker 9: worse and worse and worse. And nobody wants to think that.
Speaker 9: Everybody wants to think that everybody's rational, but we know
Speaker 9: for a fact that it's not the case.
Speaker 2: And I said, you said it well, and I just
Speaker 2: I don't sometimes understand people either this. They have a
Speaker 2: blind spot, Okay, don't Iran. I don't like the leadership
Speaker 2: of Iran.
Speaker 3: I have friends of mine who are radiant.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Again, And the people don't know what to do because
Speaker 9: they choose the side. And if they're on the wrong side,
Speaker 9: I was going to say, God help them, but I
Speaker 9: don't know what to say. Hey, thanks Andy, thanks for
Speaker 9: talking about it.
Speaker 2: Thanks well, my pleasure. I wish more people were interested
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Buck in Gloucester. Buck, we're getting
Speaker 2: a little tight on time.
Speaker 10: Go right ahead, You got it, Dan. You know, when
Speaker 10: you get spirited, I always find I'm writing a chord
Speaker 10: with you. It seems always uh. And you you give, yeah,
Speaker 10: you give your greatest effort to let people speak, and
Speaker 10: I just love it. I mean, you're so educational and everything,
Speaker 10: and that's what this is. And I did Israel Christmas
Speaker 10: is seventy seven. I pissed my sister and my parents
Speaker 10: so all passed. It's more precious to me than ever.
Speaker 10: And everyone was so nice. You really felt at home.
Speaker 10: And it is my Judio Christian spirit, you know. Background.
Speaker 2: I just think that look, uh, you could look you
Speaker 2: you've been there. I've never been there. However, I think
Speaker 2: that we all need to understand that it's a very
Speaker 2: important piece of the world.
Speaker 3: Part of the world.
Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you for your support.
Speaker 3: Buck.
Speaker 2: Everybody calls in late, so I try to accommodate everybody
Speaker 2: that we just all right, thanks pal. Earlier I told
Speaker 2: you that, thank you much.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Next up, I hope I'm pronouncing his name correctly. Massage
Speaker 2: is at the correct pronunciation in Lowell, Yes it is.
Speaker 4: I just hearted.
Speaker 3: Time.
Speaker 7: Does our show ended at ten?
Speaker 6: By chance?
Speaker 2: It doesn't end at ten, but with these topic ends
Speaker 2: at ten because we're going to a different topic at
Speaker 2: ten o'clock. As we're on from We're on from eight
Speaker 2: to midnight Monday through Friday massage.
Speaker 11: Okay, I was hoping to be able to argue for
Speaker 11: why Nathana who is a work criminal, and the other
Speaker 11: three names you mentioned were ill.
Speaker 2: Some other night when we're talking about this, and I'll
Speaker 2: be more than happy to take you on. I'll give
Speaker 2: you about twenty seconds, because that's all I have uninterrupted.
Speaker 2: You tell me why you think Benjamin and Yao is a.
Speaker 11: Which, just to start off, you're talking about illicit nuclear
Speaker 11: weapons that Iran has and that they've been continued working
Speaker 11: on for ten years despite asking for cooperation from the West.
Speaker 11: You mentioned Obama, specifically Obama launch suck sucks Net, which
Speaker 11: was a violent not a violent it was a digital.
Speaker 12: Threat against Iran. This was done in participation with Israel.
Speaker 12: Again at the same time as then today. This is
Speaker 12: all hypocrisy at its finest because Iran all through this,
Speaker 12: I mean Israel all through this time, that has been
Speaker 12: developing their own illicit nuclear weapons without any of the
Speaker 12: same permissions that Aron has. But America chooses to, as
Speaker 12: you say, pass an entire blunch over Israel. And that's fine.
Speaker 11: And then you also that I'm sure the world can
Speaker 11: if we haven't you haven't.
Speaker 2: You haven't listened to my show much. And again you're
Speaker 2: going way over here on me. Why what did you
Speaker 2: call some night early? And you and I can duke
Speaker 2: it out. Okay, I'll give you every opportunity, but we're
Speaker 2: flat out of time. Listen to my show more often.
Speaker 2: I think you'll enjoy it, although we might disagree on
Speaker 2: this issue.
Speaker 12: Okay, sure, thanks for your upgrading them down.
Speaker 2: I wish you called earlier. Thanks, good night. Here comes
Speaker 2: to ten. I'm going to switch to the Karen Rea
Speaker 2: case because it is now in the hands of the jury.
Speaker 2: Coming up on Night's side right after this