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Speaker 1: Anybody ever played basketball. The ball is in your court.

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We might even have a little special guest popping in today.

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Y'all know what I'm talking about, A little special guest.

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You believe in that? Do you think it's real?

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Speaker 2: Do you believe?

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Speaker 1: Do you have faith in special guests? Or is it

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all fake and gay? Am I ripping you all off?

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You're gonna have to stay around and find out. I

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forgot to put the link for the call in. Yeah,

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if you want to call in, you call in right here.

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Let me add it to the show description. I thought,

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regular ish streaming from two around two to five? Would

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that be a good time. That seems to be when

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the hottest traffic is happen and on YouTube and x

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But I'm not one humbercent positive that We'll have to

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see what's best for live streams. Thought maybe if we

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did a regular schedule, people would be more regular in

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their appearances. But we'll have to wait and see. So

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the question is what is on your mind today? Let's

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go to K forty one first? What's on your mind?

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Speaker 3: Dog?

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Speaker 1: Are you there? Philip? What's up? Philip? You want I'm you?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Sorry?

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Speaker 6: So I had a question.

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Speaker 7: About the transcendent argument. I really loved the transcendent argument personally.

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I've been running it by a few of my friends.

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But one thing that has been giving me pause is

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even though it's an argument that works great in a

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debate setting, you know, obviously, if you don't presuppose metaphysical categories,

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you know, logic, metaphysics and whatnot, you can't really argue.

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But isn't it still possible that we do live in

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this sort of nihilist materialist well, even though we wouldn't

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be able to you know, argue for it or even

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know it.

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Speaker 1: Fully well, I mean, if that was the case, you

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couldn't know that that's the case. So, in other words,

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it's still a defeater for knowledge. It's not just a

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defeater for arguing and debate. It's a defeater for there

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being no knowledge. And if there is no knowledge, that's justifiable.

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You couldn't know that nihilism is true because there's no

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truth category.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I understand that.

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Speaker 7: But isn't it still possible that we do live in

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a world where knowledge really isn't possible, even though again,

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like we wouldn't be able to know it in any way.

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Speaker 1: Again, if that was the case, then it would be

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self refuting and self defeating. So no, it's not the case. Okay,

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any position that ends up being self refuting. I mean,

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if you're going to say that there's no knowledge and

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I don't know that, I mean, at that point, you

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won the debate, like there's nothing else. It's such an

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absurd position that you won. And really all your job

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is in apologetics is to get a person to get

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to that point. If they're willing to be at that point,

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then they don't have any argument against our paradigm. And

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that's really you've done your job as an apologist to

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force them into that kind of position, because remember, ultimately

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we're not intellectually trying to save the person. The person

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has to come to the end of themselves intellectually and

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realize that their defenses that they've set up intellectually are

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also a dead end. And then there will to say,

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wait a minute, I'm at the end of myself. Maybe

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there's more than just me, myself and my mind that's

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the determiner of reality. Maybe my mind isn't God. But

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that's exactly where you want to get them. James, what's up, James?

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You want to I'm you, Amen.

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Speaker 8: I just want to say, first of all, thank you

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for your work.

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Speaker 4: You've opened my eyes do a lot of things.

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Speaker 8: I grew up in a dispensationalist church and a Baptist and.

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Speaker 1: It's just.

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Speaker 8: It's been awesome to see Orthodoxy through.

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Speaker 3: Through this.

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Speaker 8: But I wanted to ask because I grew up in

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kind of like a hyperdispensationalist church that says, like, basically,

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the only thing that applies to us is Paul's writings

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because to the Gentiles, so like anything Peter wrote, anything

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Speaker 5: Apply to us doctrinally.

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Speaker 1: Well, Peter's epistles are called the Catholic epistles because they're

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written to all the churches. So just from the outset

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that's retarded, but continue.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So like, for instance, they'd say James is written

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to the twelve tribes scattered abroad, so like that's written

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to the Jews.

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Speaker 1: Now, the twelve tribes scattered abroad is the church, Jesus says.

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The apostles are the people who would judge, They would

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sit on twelve fronts judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

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That's the church.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they obviously don't see it.

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Speaker 1: That way.

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Speaker 4: And so if you if.

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Speaker 8: You say, if you say the church is Israel, right,

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then they say, oh, well, then you have to accept.

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Speaker 4: That you are blind per Romans eleven.

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Speaker 8: So when Paul says in Romans eleven that blindness and

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part happened to Israel, right, So I think what's going

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on there is like a word concept fallacy, like they

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can't understand that the word Israel can.

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Speaker 3: Refer to two different concepts.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, not just I mean, did you did you

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say the lot of things we did this week?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've been following some of that. And then

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I heard that guy call in.

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Speaker 8: I have been last week now where he was talking

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about these people that believe in the King James, like

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being eternal, like in heaven.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 8: There was actually, I don't know if you're aware of it,

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but there's this museum.

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Speaker 3: The sixteen sixteen eleven Bible.

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Speaker 8: Museum in Arizona, now where this guy is saying that

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language was are that English is the language spoken in

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the Garden of Eden and and they're but they're actually

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the thing that's a little more consistent about their position

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is there they're saying the apocrypha is canon and it

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is scripture, but they're accepting it on the authority of

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King James.

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Speaker 1: Okay, why would a monarchy have any authority to a

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bunch of fundamentalists, independent Baptist type people. Yeah, I appreciate

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your call. That's good topics. You know, again, we ran

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through so many texts, and by the way, we didn't

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do all the texts. There's so many texts. And you'll

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notice here that the Apostles aren't just sitting on the

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throne judging only Jews. That's how stupid this position would be.

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they judge Israel, that's because Israel isn't the Church. Oh well,

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then why are we called the foundation stone of the

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new Jerusalem? Why are we called the bricks in that structure?

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a chosen people. All the statements to the Gentiles, I mean,

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excuse me, to the Jews, according to First Peter two,

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are applied to the entire church. So that means that

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Matthew nineteen twenty eight is about the entire church. It's

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not hard. The Kingdom of God will be taken from

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you and given to a nation producing the freest roup.

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Matthew twenty one. You and remember John and Peter's epistles

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are called the Catholic epistles, not because of Roman Catholicism,

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but because they're written to all of the Church. You

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are a chosen generational royal priests or holy nation. You

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were once not a people of God, but now you've

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obtained mercy. So that right there, refuse the idea that

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Peter is writing only to Jewish Christians or to Jewish believers.

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Now he's saying you were not a people, you were gentiles.

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Now you're chosen. Now you're Israel, clear as day. Now

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we only did a selection, Okay, I could have done

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that podcast for seven hours going through all of the

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texts that discussed the notion that the Church is Israel,

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the true Israel, the only real Israel. Israel of the

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Jews is a type, it was a type. What is

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a Jewish Christian. I'm talking about the people who converted

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in the first century. For example, when Paul wrote to

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the Church at Rome, right, he was writing to Jewish

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and Gentile believers in one church, and they were arguing, well,

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who's got priority and supremacy the Gentiles were saying, we

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are because you're grafted out, You've been rejected. Jews are

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saying where the root, where the lump, where the true

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priority people? You Gentiles are below us. And Paul said,

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you're both equal in Christ in terms of your genetic lineage.

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Although there were some promises and some blessings given to

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the Jews because of their for other, Abraham to them

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was given the Covenant, the law of the circumcision, the promises,

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as Paul says in Romans, all of these things are true.

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And what every heretic does, every dumb heresy, is that

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they pick this or that verse, and every other verse

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has to squeeze into their pet verse. Every exegy has

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to do canonical interpretation. That means you have to reconcile

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all of the texts or else you're a heretic orris schismatic.

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That's why you have to know the whole texts, and

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not just the text, but also the fronema or the

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mindset of the church. All of those things are necessary.

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And here's the thing that protests don't understand. The Bible

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is not primarily your private devotional book. There is a

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time when it's okay to have the Bible as a

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devotional text when you're doing your prayers or whatever. But

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that's not it's primary setting. Its primary setting is in

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the liturgy. The Bible is a liturgical book, and that

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blows the minds of Protestants because they believe in solo scripture.

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They think that the Bible is meant for me, like

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a rabbinic school, to sit around and study with my

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Torah point here all day. So they act like Muslims,

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just like that guy I just mentioned. There's now apparently

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KJV sects that think that there's an eternal King James

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version in heaven with Allah. I'm not kidding, and it's

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not surprising. Why wouldn't they think that when they don't

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realize that the logos, the Word of God is a person,

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not a book. They're so rapidly worshiping their book like

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the Jews and the Muslims, they actually think the book

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is God Jr. What's up? You start the scriptures because

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you think that it's in them that you have eternal life.

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One of this day that bear witness of me, Daniel,

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you can call in or you can get the heck

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out of here. Nobody cares about your insane, pet heresy,

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whatever it is. So you can yap in the chat

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for no longer. Otherwise you can call in John, what's up,

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Speaker 3: Yes. The modern idea of.

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Speaker 9: Protestantism in a you know, a Bible by the way,

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that Bible museum, it's in like a it's in like

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a uh, what do you call a strip mall.

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Speaker 3: That's like a Old West type thing, and.

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Speaker 9: That has a deeper connection to America, like American Protestantism,

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because a lot of the things like manifest destiny, destiny

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and the Puritans coming over or escaping England are all

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connected to an interpretation of them being Israel. They've decided

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that we are Israel in exodus from Egypt. So the

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Puritans thought of themselves as that when they came over

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here from England. And then later on there is even

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a connection where in World War One, a lot of

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the progressive Christianity starts tying all of that into like crusades.

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So it became this quest for democracy, and it wasn't

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only to protect America the you know, shining Jewel or

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the City on the Hill.

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Speaker 3: From the evil Germans who were the devil.

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Speaker 9: You had to tie it into a biblical thing to

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where the only like they had a lot of trouble

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selling people on war were one, especially some religious folks.

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And one of the ways that they did it was

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they used the crucifixion and said, oh, this is America

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crucifying itself on the world stage as Christ did, and

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we need to do this in order for the resurrection

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of a new world.

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Speaker 1: After the fact, That's exactly what Zionists did and Jews

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do about the nation state of Israel and their genetic lineage.

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They think the suffering servant in many of their interpretations

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is actually the nation itself suffering to save themselves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I've been reading a book called A War for

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Righteousness and talking about this whole thing.

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Speaker 9: With Protestants during the lead up to World War One,

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Speaker 3: What it goes over.

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Speaker 9: It goes over the shift in theology and the shift

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in like Protestant worldview as like I think I mentioned

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this before, but one of the guys they were taking

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they read his books and thought that he was somewhat

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of a prophet, being able to predict.

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Speaker 3: All this stuff, not that he was sitting in on

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Speaker 9: How the world was going to be formed after the war.

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the future, not because he has a crystal ball.

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more modern book like Future Shock and all of the

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Speaker 3: Toppler on the back of it, are Wow.

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and that's one of the big problems with Christian nationalism

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and the problem. The problem is that there's no Protestant

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Christian nationalism. Look at the history of the Protestant churches

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after the Reformation and the nation states that went to war.

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and the cavaliers fighting. Look at the you know, Lutherans

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drowning those Winglians over infant baptism. The idea that you're

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going to have some Christian nation state with all these

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thousands of retard sects is utterly preposterous. What's up, man, Tendall.

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It's easy to be a prophet when you're sitting in

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on the global planning committees exactly. That's exactly John's point.

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What's up, Tendall? I'mute, Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 10: J just wanted to say thanks for doing your live

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and I'm not here to debate. You're just saying thank

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you man, and keep going, stay strawn, Thank you Jesus Peace.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate that, tend I much appreciated. They're cool. Yeah, it's

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nice to get people calling in with positive vibes. Appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Can I say, sure what you just did? Yeah? Tagging

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onto what you just said.

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Speaker 9: There is once you get into after World War two

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and especially the Rocketpeller Foundation, the Federal Council Churches, National

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Speaker 3: What what you.

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Speaker 9: What you just said about how it would be hard

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to build a country on a bunch of different little

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mish mash of a bunch of different sects that all

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kind of believe the same thing.

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Speaker 1: And that's where so it's a humanist It basically ends

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up being a political, geopolitical, a humanist project.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely, because you see so much and I mean

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going back over this information that you know, we looked

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realize it that there were all these little sex But

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after a certain point in America, just particularly, they all start.

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Speaker 3: To like like give in to.

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Speaker 9: Like homogenization, like they give up their old ideas, and

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there becomes a more homogenized.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the real religion is Americanism.

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Speaker 9: Exactly, and it becomes more homogenized in the sense like

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you can kind of get like perfect example, there there

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were like evangelical Presbyterians and evangelical Lutherans, so they all

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just kind of fall under the umbrella of evangelical and

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and blurring the lines between all the different sects that

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were problematic for people like the Rockefellers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why not only do the Rockefellers, you know,

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essentially establish and fund the nascent, a humanist movement with

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a lot of their money on record if you look

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out the whim Hoff book, this really confirmed David Wimhoff's book.

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John Courtney Murray, this really confirmed a lot of stuff

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that I'd written and thought was the case, and he

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did the hardcore research to really, i think prove it

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demonstrably from you know, declassified documents. I think twenty thirteen

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declassified the Doctrinal Warfare program because I'd written articles years

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ago saying that, you know, it looks like actually, acumenism

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is a geopolitical tool more than it is anything to

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America in or excuse me, to turn the churches into

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soft power engines. And if you don't know what solid

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power is, you need to go listen to the talks

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that we did on Joseph NY's classic sexs on soft power.

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This is turning the churches and other countries into means

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of pushing Americanism, especially during the Cold War. Right evangelical

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and soft power, the CIA and soft power during the

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Cold War. Now that's on record and tons and tons

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of books. And that doesn't make me a socialist to

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say that, And that doesn't mean I like socialism. What

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it means is that this is why we have such

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a problem in America with the churches. It's not liberalism

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in some generic sense. It's more than that. It's money

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and power use and want to use religion as a

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tool of empire, as a tool of packs Americana. So

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not only do we know the documents in terms of

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being declassified, it's either twenty thirteen or twenty seventeen that

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the doction warfare program was declassified and John Corney Murray

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was a big part of that. The famous Jesuit.

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Speaker 3: There was a good line in this book where it was.

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the time, and it said that we want to merge.

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Speaker 3: The city of Man in the city of God in

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the state.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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and the pre millennialists and the millennialists at the time

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because I don't dispensational stuff isn't really like big at

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the turn of the century.

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Speaker 3: But Rockefellers funding both both of those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he just.

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Speaker 9: He's looking for whatever the dominant thing is going to be, Like,

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he doesn't care which one. But the progressives and the

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millennialists don't like each other, but essentially they come to

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the same conclusion that war and the state and those

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type of things are.

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Speaker 3: Going to be the driving engine of what the church

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is going to be in the future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why the for Protestants, the church, because they've

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lost the church ends up being America and American history.

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The founding fathers become their church fathers. The Constitution and

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the Declaration of Independence and the magic, the wig powder

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powder wig magic that's uh, you know, sprinkled onto the

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documents makes them also quasi divine for the evangelical Protestant world.

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And again that's because this is confirmed in a lot

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of the academic literature beyond the text that we talked about.

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an analysis of the academic text Aaron into the Wilderness

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Religion and the history of the CIA, and it's about

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the CIA's usage of religion during the Cold War. And

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Graziano admits in his text multiple times over and it

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actually surprised me how clear he was because he's not

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I don't think he's any kind of a religious person.

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a PhD. University. Is published actually by University of Chicago,

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which is Rockfiller University, but it's a he's just studying

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religion at University of Florida. So he writes this history

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of the CIA's use of religion, and he comes to

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the conclusion that a humanism is really a project of

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the CIA because they needed during the Cold War, especially

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now it's not it doesn't actually begin. That actually begins

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a oss era when they were finding against the access Powers.

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against the Axis powers. And then after the defeat of

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the Axis, when it turns into the Cold War because

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they were explicitly atheists, whereas the Nazis were not explicitly atheist,

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it turns into more of a overt usage of religious

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warfare and that's why Billy Graham is such a crucial

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Cold War figure. People don't even understand this. They don't

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conceive of this that the CIA Time magazine invested tremendous

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amounts of money and support behind Billy Graham and his

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crusades precisely as part of Cold War operations. Lord go ahead,

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John Eui system.

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Speaker 1: Is he the one that the Rockefellers used.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was going to get. That's what

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I was going to get. As he was this Baptist preacher,

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but he was all on board with World War One and.

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Speaker 9: Promoting acumenism all that, and then they made him the

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head of the Riverside Church.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's it. That's what's in that chapter of the

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Rockfiller's authoris biography, and and uh Riverside Church is the

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church that has statue to Darwin's statue, to Hegel's statue

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to Moses, statue to Mohammed.

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Speaker 9: So it's the ultimate most I mean, I went, I

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went there before and I saw it. Yeah, I stood

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in front of it. And even back when I didn't

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at least know some stuff that was like back in

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the nineties or something, I was like, what the heck

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have a statue Thomas Jeffard.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's kind of Chris my mystery on ten dollars.

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Thank you for everything, Jay Well, thank you. Welcome to

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all the new members and subscribers that we just got

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Petro's five dollars a day, No dumb questions, just take

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my money, all right, We appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Dog.

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Speaker 1: Now stay tuned. Because I was thinking about doing two

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different streams, but then I was like, why don't we

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just trans in the stream into the guest. We might

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have a special musical guest ladies and gentlemen in studio,

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which is not really a studio, it's just my house library.

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Who would have ever guessed that? You imagine trying to

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explain the future to people in the nineties and be like,

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what's the future? Like, well, everyone's a podcaster and they

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have studios in their bedrooms. You're like, what are you

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even talking about? What does that mean? Nicholas French twenty dollars.

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I'm struggling to explain the Orthodox views to low IQ people.

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Orthodox is not just for high IQ theologians, but people

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try to overintalize, actual, over intellectualize and oftentimes beyond their

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own capabilities. How do you navigate curious people that are

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low IQ but are genuine and sincere seekers. Well, easy,

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You just invite them to the church and you you know, esthetics,

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the beauty of the church, the liturgy, the icons, et cetera.

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That has a much more powerful impact on the sensibilities

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of a lot of people, especially they're end of the

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arts over you know, oh, do you understand Maximus's doctrine

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the logi? Correctly? They're ninety nine percent of people are

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not going to understand or care about Maximus's Logi doctrine,

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but they will enjoy the community at the church, especially

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if it's the ladies. Guys, stop trying to spit Logi game.

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There's no Saint Maximus game. You're gonna spit up the girls.

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They don't care. But if you take them to church

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and they realize that, oh there's other actually sane, wholesome,

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right minded individuals at church, including ladies, I can find community.

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That's your answer. RS. Can you explain five dollars the

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theology philosophy behind praying people out of hades, like the

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story of the importrasion. Well, I mean, that's an exceptional story.

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I'm not saying it's not true. It's definitely possible because

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God does hear the prayers of the righteous, the prayer

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of a righteous men of Ales Muttz James says.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 1: We don't know exactly how that works and exactly how

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the resurrection is going to work. But remember the Angel

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says all things are possible with God. So until the

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last day, we don't have to think that there's no hope,

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even for people that we think might be without hope.

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And to me, that's a positive thing because you know,

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John and I have a person, a friend of ours

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that had struggles with mental issues. He was a great guy,

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but he had an episode and he ended up ending

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his life. And I'm not saying that to be macab

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or gruesome, but I'm saying, you know, in the Orthodox perspective,

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we don't have these really weird legalistic ideas because if

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he had issues, then he's not fully culpable for that action.

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like that. There's still hope even for people in those situations.

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Speaker 3: By the way, him and you.

473
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Speaker 9: Were the ones very you know, very much responsible for

474
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giving me back into the path to Christianity. So I

475
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both so even though he was he had some problems,

476
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he definitely was a lover of Christ.

477
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Speaker 1: Yeah, John was a great I mean, excuse me, Chris

478
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,720
was a great dude. And you know that's why an

479
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,799
Orthodox church. You know, a similar situation with my best

480
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,920
friend that just passed away, right, Uh. You know, Tommy

481
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,480
was beginning to read the scriptures for the first time ever.

482
00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:01,440
He was beginning to talk to and disc us the

483
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reality of Christ. And I'd known him since high school

484
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and he never did that until the last few years.

485
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So I think that was God's grace. That was providential

486
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that he was moving in that direction. And he did

487
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ask me questions here and there about Orthodox stuff. He'd

488
00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:17,920
begun to wear a cross, so I think he was

489
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beginning to be convinced. And you know, I pray for

490
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him even now that he's passed on, and I can hope,

491
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,039
you know, in this perspective that you know, there's possibilities

492
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,319
for all of us even if we didn't have it

493
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:35,279
all figured out. You know, at the moment of our

494
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,680
passing crutter, what's up, He says, let's go nerds, sleepy

495
00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:43,200
neo of five dollars. What's your opinion on globalists and

496
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,680
moving beyond Zionism and leading to the Jews returning to

497
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,960
the church and accepting Jesus. What's your opinion on the

498
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,640
globalist moving beyond Zionism? Oh, I think that's what we're saying.

499
00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:00,319
You're saying, like, is there a possibility that like the

500
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beast casts off the whore, which would be apostate Israel

501
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,240
according to the Book of Revelation, and would that possibly

502
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:12,480
lead to the future conversion? I mean, I don't know

503
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:16,160
when or how that'll happen, but that's certainly a possibility.

504
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:18,319
I just think we have to not hyper fixate on

505
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:24,559
how we think the end Times is going to go right,

506
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,880
because every evangelical goofball, every person who picks up the

507
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,039
Book of Revelation thinks that suddenly they've got it all

508
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:33,839
figured out and they know all the end Times works

509
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:35,799
and all this kind of stuff, and people can just

510
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:39,079
get obsessed over this stuff. I do this too when

511
00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:41,880
I was nineteen. It's a kind of an immature move

512
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:46,839
because you're excited by the sensationalism of the End Times,

513
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:54,039
and you know the apocalyptic you know, Armageddon and Bill

514
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,160
Pullman's going to be the president when the asteroid hits us,

515
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,119
and Morgan Freeman's gonna narrate how that we get out.

516
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,200
I'm just thinking this, you know, stupid nineties Deep Impact

517
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:10,319
and Armageddon and all all those goofy apocalyptic nineties movies.

518
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:14,880
So anyway, I don't know how that will come about.

519
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:19,920
We just believe that there will be a few signs

520
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,480
of the end of the end, right, the end end

521
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:25,000
of the world. Remember, Jesus brought the last days of

522
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:27,599
the First admin. This is something all the evangelical disposition

523
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,200
dispensations get totally wrong. And that's why ultimately their position

524
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:36,359
is totally ineffectual to actually demonstrate Jesus the Messiah. That's

525
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,039
why I keep playing that clip. I keep playing that

526
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,119
clip of John Hagy saying in my new book In

527
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,160
Defense of Israel, I will explain how Jesus just nothing Messiah.

528
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:47,039
Speaker 11: Jesus not come to the to the convert the Jewish people.

529
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 9: Go ahead, No, I was gonna say, us, being Americans,

530
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:57,599
we're kind of bread into an idea of apocalypse like.

531
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: Is in our exactly exactly and go back to the Puritans,

532
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,400
like you said, yeah, very much so.

533
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 9: And with every new war and every new conflict, that

534
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:16,480
is always the carrot that they're dangling out. Yes, there,

535
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:18,640
it's it's like, oh, it's the end times, It's the

536
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,079
end of the world. Is this So that's been done

537
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,000
so many times and even even like if you take

538
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:30,359
the American Revolution of itself is kind of apocalyptic for

539
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,839
the time period. So we're a culture that's born out

540
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:38,559
of this idea of apocalyptic and end time scenarios. But

541
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,920
it's not, you know, it's it's always kind of like

542
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,759
at least twentieth century forward. It's always shrouded and dispensational,

543
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,160
left behind how Lindsay.

544
00:33:50,839 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: Type stuff exactly. Let's see what's this. I found This

545
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,360
is like an old evangelical documentary version of.

546
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: Ballance of eight hundred thousand hydrogen bombs.

547
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: Oh I know that.

548
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah, okay, so yeah, it'd be fine to find.

549
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,760
We should find the part where it talks about Yeah,

550
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,440
here we go cold war stuff. Let's see they talk

551
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,039
about GoGG and makeup because, as we pointed out, a

552
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:42,440
lot of stuff was engineered cold war see how you

553
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,559
propaganda because they wanted to Okay, let's to the micro workaround,

554
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:51,119
because every time we get about an hour and the

555
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:59,760
mic messes up. Test tests, test tests, Can you guys

556
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:06,760
hear is it better? Oh wait, hold on, I wasn't

557
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:17,239
hit the right button. Test tests, and there is that better?

558
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,039
Hopefully that a lot of times that fixed the crackling. Yeah,

559
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:23,679
if you if you have you have to toggle the

560
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,159
monitor off and monitor on button for whatever reason. That

561
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,599
temporarily fixes the crackling. But yeah, let's listen to see

562
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:32,039
if this talks about that.

563
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:36,079
Speaker 9: We were already well into the next escalation.

564
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: For me is that it's always Gog and Magog, China

565
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,719
and Russia. That attack is real, right, and that's the

566
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,960
the end times to see propaganda.

567
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,599
Speaker 9: At the time and at present, our nation in the

568
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:54,480
United States is making three hydrogen warheads per day.

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Speaker 1: We're all an escalator.

570
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Speaker 12: I don't know how as long as the Russians are

571
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:06,199
pursuing a build up and greater military might to get

572
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all that escalator.

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Speaker 1: And I'm very say, here you go, here's all these

574
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,719
boomer evangelical congressmen and senators. Russians are building up all

575
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,000
of their nukes, and I just don't know how if

576
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,559
we don't give all of our money to Israel. We're

577
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:28,400
gonna get nuked. You're gonna get naked if you don't.

578
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 13: E Elizabeth Skuber to present my latest book, in Defense

579
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,760
of Israel. This book will expose the sins of the

580
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,840
fathers and the vicious abuse of the Jewish people, and

581
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,440
defensi of Israel will shape Christian theology. It scripturally proves

582
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,039
that the Jewish people as a whole did not project

583
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,440
Jesus as Messiah. It will also prove that Jesus did

584
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,280
not come to earth to be the Messiah. It will

585
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,920
prove that there was a Calvary conspiracy between Rome, the

586
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,760
High Priest, and Herod to execute Jesus as an insurrectionist

587
00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:59,800
too dangerous to live.

588
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: So Jesus did not come as the Messiah. He is

589
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,119
not a Messiah, and that was God's plan. B. And

590
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:11,760
here's John Hagey himself, the probably the most prominent dispensationalist

591
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,280
of the day.

592
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 9: Right by the way, if you ever, if John Hagey

593
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,360
passes away, you might have a job of being the

594
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,000
voice of John Hagey in the future.

595
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: How do you know that I am not the voice

596
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,159
of John Hagy in the present. John could be true, it's.

597
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:33,559
Speaker 3: Kind of like Paul. Remember his son took over and

598
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,159
he sounded exactly like him.

599
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,039
Speaker 1: Paul Crouches son, No.

600
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,559
Speaker 3: Shoot, that radio, he was on the radio. Never mind it.

601
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,079
I can't think of his name off the top of

602
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:44,440
my head.

603
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: Well, Franklin Graham. Franklin Graham took over for Billy Graham,

604
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,320
and it's pretty much the same stuff.

605
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, he yeah, he kind of said he he has

606
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,280
like the same voice. That's gosh, what was that guy's name.

607
00:37:59,039 --> 00:37:59,719
I'll think of it.

608
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: So anyway, I hope you guys understand that there should

609
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,159
be obvious you know, even though we covered this ad nauseum.

610
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:11,079
In fact, the very first one of the very first

611
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:16,360
live streams I did was John right here and I

612
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:21,639
covering how Lindsey dispensationalism and how this was used in

613
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:28,960
Cold War sye ops. Paul Harvey, Oh he was the dismensationals.

614
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 9: No he he he died and then his son took over.

615
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: But his son sounded.

616
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: Exactly like him.

617
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: Nobody even knew, like there were people who didn't even

618
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,320
know that he died.

619
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay.

620
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,199
Speaker 3: Anyways, sorry, Lucas.

621
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: Potmanitas three dollars fifty seven did you see Bogonia, Will

622
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,239
you do an analysis?

623
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 3: Bro?

624
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:55,159
Speaker 1: I literally covered it last night or two nights ago.

625
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,280
I'm sorry, I'm confused, like, because i know you guys

626
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,119
followed the chant. I'm wondering if nobody's getting any notifications

627
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,960
because the numbers, and this is not just me, everybody's

628
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:15,639
YouTube numbers significantly dropped about three months ago, and hundreds

629
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:17,480
and hundred tons of people were making videos about it.

630
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,559
It's not just me. I don't think suddenly I just

631
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:23,360
became shitty and boring, although I suppose that's possible. But

632
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,000
sometime around I think three months ago, people were saying

633
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:35,599
that the numbers dropped so like we were getting you know,

634
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:39,119
even back here to the Kurt Matsker interview that got

635
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:43,000
all the way up to seventy five thousand views, we

636
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,320
were getting thirty five thousand, twenty five thousand, and then

637
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,320
around this time, suddenly, and this often happens on YouTube,

638
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,440
suddenly we drop brought back down to ten to fifteen

639
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,639
on the average open stream except for these Charlie Kirk

640
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:07,360
event streams, we started going back down to fifteen twenty

641
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:16,559
on average. That one got up to thirty. But you'll notice,

642
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:20,000
like it's pretty much now ten to twenty or fifteen

643
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:24,079
to twenty. But I did trot Aries, Blackfrone, Begonia and

644
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,960
Eden right there. That was two days ago. Bro, So guys, remember,

645
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:32,800
I don't know if maybe there's a mass turning off

646
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,800
of notifications or a lot of times. I know in

647
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,400
my because I have my own notifications for my stuff

648
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,239
turned on, it goes into the spam folder or in

649
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,599
the you know, promotional folder on Gmail. So I think

650
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:46,960
maybe just people don't see any of the notifications of

651
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,239
the live streams. I get a lot of comments people

652
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,239
saying I never knew you were doing live streams.

653
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: I don't.

654
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: Well, you have to turn on the notifications first of all,

655
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:57,119
so they have to be clicked. It's not going to

656
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:02,480
automatically always tell you. But anyway, yes, I covered Butagonia

657
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,280
right here, Lean.

658
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:09,159
Speaker 2: What's up? Lean with it?

659
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,599
Speaker 4: Roight with it?

660
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,039
Speaker 1: Lane with it? What's up?

661
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: What's up?

662
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:15,679
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

663
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,159
Speaker 3: Yeah?

664
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 14: I just want to say that as a Dutch European,

665
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,519
these times for streams are like perfect because you started

666
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:27,880
at like eights or something in the evening. So I

667
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,760
think it's the overlaps. Maybe that's why the numbers are higher.

668
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,519
On X and stuff. So so I just wanted to.

669
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:39,599
Speaker 1: Say that, well, the numbers were good three months ago.

670
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,440
Uh and then and other people, a lot of people

671
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,960
were saying, what happened to the algorithm? It's like everybody's

672
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:49,559
numbers changed, So it's not just about that.

673
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 14: That's that's like a different story. I wasn't talking about

674
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,719
that specifically. But the thing is, I also think you

675
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,800
talked about GMAL, but we don't really look at GM.

676
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:04,440
I think for notifications is just what YouTube sinds as an.

677
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 4: EPP, I don't know.

678
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,679
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't know YouTube is tweaking out.

679
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,679
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it could be.

680
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

681
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: I mean I'm saying like you got to turn on

682
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,760
the notifications also on your phone so that you see

683
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:23,840
them too, right, father of Ohio State football player, what's up?

684
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:24,760
What's on your mind?

685
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: Man?

686
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm you.

687
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 15: Yeah, I wanted to Did you give your thoughts yet

688
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,239
on the I'm sure you saw at the Catholic Church

689
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,400
confirming that ABC at Geko.

690
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Speaker 1: I did not mention it, although I did plan to

691
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,360
talk about that today. I just forgot to mention it.

692
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,119
But I mean I already know that like right away,

693
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:46,960
the Roman Catholic is just gonna say, oh, it doesn't

694
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,639
count because it's just some random but it's like, no,

695
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,880
it counts because they're doing the thing that Francis is

696
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,159
in cyclical uh kind of prepared the way for right.

697
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:02,440
So Francis said, no, now you can bless aberrant couples.

698
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,039
So it's not marriage. But they're just going to where

699
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:11,599
they want to go. I mean, but I just I mean,

700
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,039
at this point, it's like, I don't like, what, why

701
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:17,400
is this even surprising anybody. It's like, I've been talking

702
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,840
about gay priests and the Roman Catholic Church and how

703
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,519
massively gay they are for over ten years.

704
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Speaker 16: I think this just puts it more on the national

705
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,760
stage now because you have an actual ABC like anchor,

706
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,440
and it's all over the place, and as I can

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see it, you know, really causing issues with mainstream Catholics.

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Speaker 15: Maybe I don't know, we'll see, but.

709
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see what this guber says.

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Speaker 17: The Magisterium now saying do if you have the Magisterium

711
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in the past saying don't do this, and then the

712
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Magisterium now saying do do this, or the opposite, right,

713
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:56,960
the Magisterium saying in the past, do this. Now, it's

714
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saying don't do this, which one do you?

715
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Speaker 3: Look?

716
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Speaker 17: You know, there's some documents like Mortalium Animals from Pious

717
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the eleventh less than one hundred years ago, where the

718
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Pope is saying, you can't have ecumenical prayer meeting.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, thank you for admitting what we've been arguing

720
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for the last decade, loft Dog.

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Speaker 17: And anyone who does that has departed from the faith

722
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and doesn't part the Catholic faith. And now, I mean

723
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we have in the post concilular period these acumenical prayer

724
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meetings all the time, and it's not seen as departing

725
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from the faith or.

726
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's a contradiction, and because you're coping, and

727
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because you're lying and dishonest with yourself. So as I've

728
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:41,440
been saying for ten years, and you've come at me

729
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:44,599
and attacked me in every possible way the last ten

730
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years for making the very point that Michael Lofton just made.

731
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Now I'm sure he's got a thousand copes as to

732
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how it doesn't count and this and that, But I mean,

733
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this shit is just so faking gay. I don't even

734
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know what to say anymore. It's like, if you haven't

735
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,360
fgured it out By this point, Man, I don't know

736
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,800
what to tell you. I'm trying to find that uh

737
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CBS gay Catholic thing. I guess you're right. The reason

738
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this one matters is because it will presumably reach more

739
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people because of it being I didn't even realize that

740
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this was this who these people were when I saw

741
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this pull it off.

742
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Speaker 15: You got people. People are mad on on social media

743
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about it. I haven't been able to get married. I've

744
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I've committed my life to this church, and now you're

745
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telling me that they're confirming in ABC hosts a gay

746
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couple ABC, ABC.

747
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Speaker 4: Hosts Now when I've committed my life and they.

748
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Speaker 15: Tell me that I have to, you know, abstain from

749
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all these things. But they're gonna, they're gonna contradict themselves.

750
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It's causing a lot of outage. All Right, I appreciate you.

751
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Speaker 2: Man, No, I'm glad.

752
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Speaker 1: I'm actually glad you're reminded me of it because I

753
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forgot to mention it because I'm just like, how is

754
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this any different than a thousand other gay things in

755
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:07,480
the Romancalloy Church. Like it's a scandal. I mean, why

756
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,679
aren't why weren't you making an uproar over the fact

757
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that Francis Is in cyclical said you could bless.

758
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Speaker 3: This.

759
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Speaker 1: I mean you didn't so you could bloss a marriage. Yeah,

760
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but it's opening the door for this duh, Like what

761
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:25,599
do you mean? Oh no, no, we have like Kazustri

762
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and Kazustri could save those agent nothing. What's up?

763
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Speaker 4: Hey, I saw a Gio Polympics in the in the topic.

764
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I just wanted to make a comment.

765
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Speaker 18: I know you beat in the past for covering the

766
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global elite text. People think they're conspiracy texts.

767
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Speaker 4: Whatever.

768
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Speaker 18: Well, if that's the case, why is my international relations

769
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professor covering Clash of Civilizations which you cover actually vindicates

770
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the covering of these topics.

771
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean I appreciate that agent, And that's

772
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a great testament to the fact that what we talked

773
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about isn't crazy. Literally, most of the texts that I

774
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cover that are not specifically identified as you know, critical

775
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conspiratorial minded texts, and I usually identify when those are.

776
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,800
If I'm reading John Coleman, that's a conspiracy book. But

777
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if I'm reading the Brazenski, if we're talking about Kissinger text,

778
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Jack at Lee text, Samuel Hunting and text Those are

779
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not conspiracy books. You know, when we talked about changing

780
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Images of Man, that's a high level systems analysis, sociology,

781
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,199
international relations textbook. It's not a conspiracy book. Carol Quigley

782
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is not a conspiracy book. So it's really weird and disingenuous.

783
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And I don't know if it's just people being trolls

784
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or being retarded, or being envious and angry that most

785
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of the texts that we cover are real, real establishment books,

786
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and we cover establishment books not because we agree with

787
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him retards, but because we want to see what they

788
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believe in, what they admit, and what they say. But

789
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that's I guess, just too high tier and too high

790
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minded and high brow for people who think that. When

791
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I quote Carol Quigley, it's because I default agree with

792
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and accept everything Carol Quigley says, and I think he's

793
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a great man. This is so retarded. Judy Stroyer, please

794
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,280
pray for my brother in law. He was in an accident. Well,

795
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,360
I'm sorry to hear that, Judy. Lord have mercy. Marcos,

796
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:31,679
what is your opinion on Warren McGrew. He's an idol killer,

797
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,119
He is not orthodox, but he defends orthodoxy. I'll be

798
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honest with you, man, I have no idea who it is.

799
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So I get asked all the time, what do you

800
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think about this guy? You think about that guy? What

801
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,360
are you going to beate this guy? When tobit that guy?

802
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,960
And I would say eight out of ten times, I

803
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,039
don't know who these people are. But I mean, guys,

804
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:50,840
any of the people that you want me to like,

805
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,400
all they could all they have to do is call in, right,

806
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:55,920
any of these people just they want to come chat,

807
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they have an issue, they're walcome to come call in.

808
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Just remember all the people by the way who get mad,

809
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:04,559
they're like huge. All you do is blue boot and

810
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mute people and mock them.

811
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Speaker 2: All you do is screaming cluss of people.

812
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Speaker 1: Totally not true. Okay. Formal debates are for people that

813
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I decide are worth having a formal debate with right,

814
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top Muslims, top atheist, whoever. Trent Horne, Okay, you with

815
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,159
three hundred followers, I don't owe you a public debate.

816
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:28,760
I don't owe you anything. So you get the option

817
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of calling in on a next space. And you are

818
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not calling in as the debate equal because you have

819
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not established yourself as a person known for publicly debating.

820
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So I don't owe you these things. And if you

821
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call in with a bunch of retarded stuff, yeah, I'm

822
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,639
gonna interrupt you. I'm gonna say that's a fallacy. Hold yourself.

823
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Hold your horses there, buddy. And I think everybody can

824
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,280
see from seven years now of open spaces and people

825
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,280
calling in. Most people that call in can't coherently argue,

826
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,760
can't form formulate their statements and their ideas in a coagent,

827
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precise clear way. They ramble, they fumble, they engage in fallacies,

828
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they get emotional. That's why this is an educational exercise.

829
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Part of what we do is we're learning to formulate

830
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:23,440
our ideas coherently, coagingly, concisely, clearly, to the point, we're

831
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learning debate. You're not here to teach me how to debate.

832
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I'm going to teach you how to debate. That's the

833
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attitude of this.

834
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Speaker 3: Now.

835
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Speaker 1: If you don't like that, bye bye, nobody's making you

836
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,599
be here. You don't have to call in. But if

837
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:40,440
you do want to call in, and you just keep

838
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,920
to those rules, we can have an absolutely civil, excellent conversation,

839
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and in fact, most of the time that people who

840
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,760
are open minded call in. We have great conversations even

841
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,280
when they disagree. We have civil conversations with Protestants, with

842
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,320
Roman Catholics, sometimes with atheists, and even sometimes Muslims, although

843
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:13,639
that's pretty rare. Ex Communicado, what's up? Okay, he complained

844
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,079
and then he's not come home? Man, go ahead? Ex

845
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Communicado where yet?

846
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

847
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Speaker 1: Do you have your mic permissions turned one? It doesn't

848
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let you come up? Timmy g what's up, Doug? Have

849
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:41,199
we ever had a civil civil black keeper Israelite? One time?

850
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There was one that was kind of so Tim, I'm mute, man,

851
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:44,039
what's up?

852
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 3: You're up?

853
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 19: Hey, j Uh, I just got suggested your space about

854
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I don't know, only like three or four days ago,

855
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and I'm going through a plantthora of just great stuff.

856
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Speaker 5: So I started.

857
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Speaker 19: I got sick of all these complicated debates, and I

858
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just started doing a space called Zionist are Racist and

859
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,400
or Retards? Changed my mind and it was just keeping

860
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:13,320
it super simple and I'm just love your stuff. That's

861
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,800
all I just wanted to say. I would love to

862
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,320
invite you to one of my spaces. One time it's

863
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,559
ever invited up for joining and it's just simple debates

864
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:23,559
where I give the person before they could even start,

865
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:27,079
give me what is the definition of being Jewish? What

866
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:31,119
is the definition of being Zionists? And it needs to

867
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:34,119
be a one sentence definition that you can put in

868
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:38,320
Webster's dictionary. And people lose their shit when you just

869
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,320
need a simple explanation and it shows their true colors.

870
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Speaker 3: So I just watching your stuff.

871
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Speaker 19: And I'm kind of like studying now, So I just

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wanted to thank you for that.

873
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I appreciate that. I'll consider that, and

874
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:53,519
I'm not disagreeing with how you want to approach your

875
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,119
livestreams and your space. You can do whatever you want.

876
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,679
I don't like the not so erudite approach though, of

877
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:05,519
I want one sentence definition that is what's in Webster's

878
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:09,480
because a lot of times words and terms have a

879
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:12,760
long history and they have different meanings in different contexts.

880
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,840
And even the word zion right, I mean, that could

881
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,039
be the Hill of David, right, the city of David,

882
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:25,119
that could be you know, something spiritual. You know, Zionism

883
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:29,719
can be a political movement. So in the same way

884
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,559
as when you know, I debated not so erudite, and

885
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:35,440
she tried to poison the well by saying, if you

886
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,599
can't give me a simple definition of what you think

887
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:40,480
feminism is, then we can't have a debate. And I'm like, well,

888
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:42,639
first of all, you're here to defend feminism. Why are

889
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:46,639
you asking me what the word means when? And I

890
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:51,000
said not, you know, feminism can't be divorced from the

891
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:55,199
movement historically of feminism. But what she wanted to do

892
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,280
was to have such a broad definition that anything that

893
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,880
quote helped women was so if God says that women

894
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,440
have certain rights in the Torah or in the Old

895
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,480
Testament or whatever, oh, that's feminism. See. And that's why

896
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I said, well, I mean, conceivably goddess worship could elevate

897
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the status of women. Does that make goddess worship true

898
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and good because that's quote feminist? Well, obviously not. So

899
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I'm not disagreeing with the rhetorical optics value of what

900
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you're doing. But also I think to have a high

901
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:34,239
tier debate on the topic of Zionism, it's very difficult

902
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,639
not to get into the nuance of history, because if

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you end up debating a studied apologist for Zionism or

904
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:46,360
somebody like a Ben Shapiro or something like that. You

905
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,960
know they're going to call out that sort of not

906
00:54:49,079 --> 00:55:04,000
so aerridite approach. Edward, what's up? Yeah, that's a great point, Bubba,

907
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:06,159
Like that there was that Orthodox or a showing me

908
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:10,079
that Protestant business pastor the IKEA pastor who was attacking

909
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Orthodoxy because it didn't state its doctrine of salvation in

910
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:18,199
one sentence. And it's like, that's a very kind of

911
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:25,039
low tier, you know, goober approach. I mean that'll that

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might influence. I'm not saying that you're bad for what

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you did. I'm just saying that I think that it

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really depends on who you're interacting with. Edward, what's up? Also,

915
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:42,880
too like to say prouve Zionism isn't racism. It's like, well,

916
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,599
is it wrong to be racist? And if you think

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that it is, explain that right? So you got to

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00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:52,840
you gotta give sort of the way it's framed kind

919
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:58,199
of assumes a bunch of things that might be questionable. Edward,

920
00:55:58,199 --> 00:55:58,639
what's up?

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Speaker 20: Hey, I know this is off a topic, but no

922
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,119
one can give me an answer to this question. And

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this happens to be with the New Kingdom that Paul

924
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:16,880
or that Peter talks about in uh first Peter three ten.

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Speaker 4: But this is with Revelations.

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Speaker 3: Chapter twenty one.

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Speaker 4: Now correct if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 20: Okay, after the millenium was over with Satan and all

929
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the unbelievers.

930
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Speaker 1: Well you're all over the place. You went from Peter

931
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to Revelation. What are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: Well, because it's all talking about the same.

933
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Speaker 3: Thing, you know, the new heaven.

934
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Speaker 1: What are you talking about one Peter three?

935
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Speaker 4: What first Peter three ten? We look for new heavens

936
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and new earth.

937
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Speaker 1: That's not one Peter three ten.

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Speaker 4: What are you sure?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at it right now.

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Speaker 20: Well, it's the one you remember that as the days

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of Noa were, and then after the days and zero

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and the earth is reserved unto fire.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's here four or five. But go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, it's O the Bible on my phone. But

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my question is with.

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Speaker 20: Revelations chapter twenty one, look at.

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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty four through the last verse, because see here

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here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 4: Correct?

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Speaker 20: With verse twenty at the very end, there after Jesus

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destroys the God, the destroys everything.

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Speaker 3: That when Satan was loose, and then.

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Speaker 4: God and Christ judges.

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Speaker 20: That's the end of the money or right, and then

956
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Christ reigns forever because we see the new heaven.

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Speaker 1: Of newer Christ reigns now he began his reign when

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he ascend.

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Speaker 20: I know he does, but I'm talking about over the

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ree of the world. Remember, Satan's the prince of the

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air right now, he's got controling through.

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Speaker 4: Christ comes back.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, I can't even I can't even understanderstand

964
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what you're saying. You're just all over the place and

965
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,039
none of this makes any sense. It's not even coherent.

966
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I'm sorry. What's up, man?

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Speaker 5: Hell?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up?

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Speaker 21: I have some questions about like getting into Orthodoxy with

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certain churches that I see. I don't it's all one churches,

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different jurisdictions like Greek or like different places like I

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see like a Western right church. I mean, because I

973
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:34,000
heard you talk about different schismatic groups or like acumened

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kind of the cumunist groups. What would you what would

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you say about like getting into the church, Like would

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you say.

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Speaker 1: Well, any church that's a canonical Orthodox church, which is

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pretty easy to tell you can you know, usually it's

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on the website or you can ask the people at

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that group, and they'll usually tell you, honestly, it's fine,

981
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but I mean Russian Orthodox Churches, Serbian Orthodox Churches, Antiochian

982
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Orthodox Churches, they tend to be better. Romanian Orthodox Church,

983
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,039
et cetera. La Poul, what's up? But thank you for

984
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that question. If you have a specific, you know, argument

985
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that you want to make, this is exactly what I

986
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:15,679
was saying a minute ago. Right, it's fine if you

987
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:17,679
want to call into debate, but you've got to make

988
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:23,159
your point clear and state your argument precisely, concisely and coherently.

989
00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:24,639
Like I have no idea what that guy was saying.

990
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:26,440
It was all over the place. I so don't jump

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00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,320
from twenty different verses and you know, tell me start

992
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,079
with a basic argument and then explain what your argument is. Lapoul,

993
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:34,599
what's up?

994
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Speaker 4: You am?

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Speaker 22: Yeah?

996
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 3: How are you doing that?

997
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 5: Your hello from friends? So I must thank you.

998
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Speaker 22: For all of your previous work has helped me a lot. Finally,

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00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,840
go to Lucie. Know it has been a few years

1000
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and I remember by a few years ago you talked

1001
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about out writing a book with a father, doctor Dickon

1002
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:07,920
and anaeas On posh positionalism.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got busy and I haven't had time to

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01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:19,920
do that. So thank you for that. William. What's up, William?

1005
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:40,400
What's up, dog? I'm mute, man, William, I'm mute faith

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01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:54,639
from facts. What's up, man? I'm you? Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 3: Okay, awesome.

1008
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Speaker 4: So I'm talking.

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Speaker 23: I'm a personal I'm talking with one of my Orthodox friends.

1010
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Speaker 3: And one thing that he really seems.

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Speaker 5: To come back around to is they have the eucharists

1012
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and we as Protestants don't. And I really do not

1013
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understand this perspective, and I was hoping you could explain

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it to me.

1015
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,039
Speaker 1: Well, you can have the Eucharus without having the people

1016
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:21,480
that have the authority to do the eucharistic offering. If

1017
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,599
you read the Canons of Nicea, they're so precise in

1018
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:27,639
the Canons of Nicea that deacons can't even just do

1019
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,840
whatever they want to touch or to offer the Eucharist.

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Only the presbyter with the authority and the permission of

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01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:37,320
the priests or the episcopate, can offer the Eucharus. So

1022
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,400
the Eucharus isn't something that you just make there in

1023
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,440
your basement from crackers and grape juice. It has to

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01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,000
come from those who have the authority of the apostles,

1025
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that the apostles laid hands on as Timothy as pulses

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to Timothy.

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Speaker 5: Okay, awesome, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Is that Nicea one or two?

1029
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Speaker 1: By the way, the Canons of Nicea one go into

1030
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great detail about the importance and the sanctity of the

1031
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:05,039
Eucharist and how this is intimately tied to the bishop.

1032
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,199
But thank you for that question. That's a great question.

1033
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Will what's up?

1034
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Speaker 2: Man? Guys?

1035
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,519
Speaker 1: Would it like and share and remember a lot of

1036
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:20,039
your questions, which you're fine to call in and ask them,

1037
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:22,639
But we have a vast archive here on my channel,

1038
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:26,559
so be sure and subscribe and make use of the archive.

1039
01:02:26,719 --> 01:02:27,639
What's up man?

1040
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 4: Hey Ja, how you doing?

1041
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,079
Speaker 24: I wanted to call and see if you have ever

1042
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:42,199
looked into ken Ham and the answers in Genesis focus

1043
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:43,519
on the family crowd.

1044
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I know of them, but I don't know

1045
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,000
what you mean by looking into them, like, are they

1046
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:49,880
sus or something?

1047
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 2: What do you mean?

1048
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 5: I mean it.

1049
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 24: Is a little bit sus My ken Ham has got

1050
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,760
this big arc encounter thing up in Kentucky. It's like

1051
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:06,079
a theme park for uh evangelical of their family.

1052
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 25: Well, uh, I grew up with parents that were very

1053
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:19,519
very uh front or forward on always having the answers

1054
01:03:19,519 --> 01:03:23,840
in Genesis materials in front of myself and my siblings,

1055
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,679
and they went up, My parents went up and actually

1056
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,239
got to finally go.

1057
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Speaker 5: To the Ark Encounter, and.

1058
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Speaker 24: The one thing that they said was like that gave

1059
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,039
them a question mark. And they're they're full on Southern Baptists,

1060
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:48,440
But one thing that really surprised them to see at

1061
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:56,239
the ARC Encounter was a display on aliens, and they

1062
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,119
kind of sort of had an explanation.

1063
01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:02,519
Speaker 3: There for aliens.

1064
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Speaker 24: Which you know, that struck me whenever I heard that,

1065
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:11,480
because I've actually seen Kim Hamm live and grew up

1066
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listening to him and reading all this stuff.

1067
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Speaker 1: What was the explanation of aliens?

1068
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Speaker 3: From what I.

1069
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 5: Remember my mom telling me.

1070
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Speaker 24: It it you know, I can't really remember specifics, but

1071
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:33,079
it definitely wasn't anywhere close to what father Sarah from

1072
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:35,440
Rose would say about aliens, you.

1073
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: Know, so like it wasn't demonic, like it was like

1074
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,519
they think that there might be alien life or something, or.

1075
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Speaker 24: I distinctly remember her telling me that their explanation was

1076
01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:50,960
not one that concluded in demons.

1077
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Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, that isn't Yeah, I didn't know that. I

1078
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appreciate that. I mean, I think with a lot of

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01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,800
these evangelical groups, even if they have some good but

1080
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,280
I have a few books from from them and from

1081
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,039
other creationists evangelical groups. You know, they might get some

1082
01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:11,079
good things right in terms of critiquing evolution, but I

1083
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:13,960
mean they're not going to have anything else, Like, I mean,

1084
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:15,360
the rest of the stuff is just going to be

1085
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,840
total goofball nonsense. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if

1086
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,679
they don't come to goofy conclusions. John, did you want

1087
01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:24,880
to say something, Yeah.

1088
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Speaker 3: Because he's the Institute for Creation Research. Guy, Right, I

1089
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,039
think and a lot a lot of the I think,

1090
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:34,239
what's up?

1091
01:05:34,679 --> 01:05:37,719
Speaker 1: Hold on, Eric, just a second, go ahead, John, No,

1092
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I was gonna say.

1093
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Speaker 9: A lot of the problems that they do is they're

1094
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,280
trying to engage like the scientific world.

1095
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Speaker 3: On a level. Yes, like they already give evolution.

1096
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,559
Speaker 9: Of putting the stand on to come to the debate,

1097
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whereas it's a total insane, made up myth.

1098
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So I think that's one of the problems is because

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01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:03,440
in California there was an Institute of Creation Research, and

1101
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,159
then you could go there and they got dinosaur bones,

1102
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,039
and it's like, oh, look, man walked with dinosaurs, and

1103
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:14,920
it just goes into the It gives credence to the evolutionary.

1104
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 9: Myth, and but we're going to debate it on the

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01:06:18,519 --> 01:06:22,280
level of you know, Protestant theology.

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Speaker 3: It's it's very weird.

1107
01:06:24,119 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1108
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,559
Speaker 1: By the way, if you're interested in what some people

1109
01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:28,639
in the chatter saying, what does Jay think about aliens?

1110
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,840
I think largely the alien phenomena is a psyop. It's

1111
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:38,159
born out of ink, ultra cia, deep state, all that stuff.

1112
01:06:38,199 --> 01:06:41,840
It's a smoke screen for black operations, for mind control.

1113
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,519
But I do think there are demonic entities and so

1114
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:47,599
that's an element of it too. So I think it's

1115
01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:50,079
all those things. It's not just one of those things. Eric,

1116
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:52,519
what's up, hey, Jay?

1117
01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:57,199
Speaker 23: So we're going to be visitedual debates with Professor Malpass

1118
01:06:57,199 --> 01:07:00,599
and not professor And it has become like almost so

1119
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:04,519
evident to me that atheists refuse to justify transitut categories.

1120
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Speaker 5: So I've got a question about that.

1121
01:07:06,159 --> 01:07:08,159
Speaker 23: My question is do you think in like a possible

1122
01:07:08,199 --> 01:07:12,239
world where there are brute facts, debate is necessarily impossible?

1123
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how would we we would

1124
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,039
even try to figure out what is or is it

1125
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necessary in a possible world where there's quote brute facts.

1126
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,639
I mean, I just don't even know what that means.

1127
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,840
And how would we then start deriving necessity and non

1128
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,840
necessity in a possible world of brute I don't even

1129
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,360
know what that means. Like, what does that mean the

1130
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,960
possible world whether where there's quote brute facts.

1131
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 3: I guess, Like.

1132
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 5: I guess if there is a.

1133
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:56,639
Speaker 23: World where there are I guess objects with no precondition,

1134
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,559
that that means they can't be accounted for. It can't

1135
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:00,960
be justified by the akia world view where they're just

1136
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,360
trying to like say, well, just squaant me the law,

1137
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,360
but I didn't, sy just grant me beautiful to the

1138
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,760
self cost time like it, Like, I can't see a

1139
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,000
logical contradiction in that worldview being the case, even though

1140
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,239
you obviously wouldn't have knowledge of it.

1141
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:15,519
Speaker 5: That's the world that he is the living.

1142
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:18,279
Speaker 1: Well then if it's I mean, what use does that

1143
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,960
have for argumentation in this world? If you can theoretically

1144
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,239
come up with a world where supposedly there's no contradictions,

1145
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,600
I mean, well, what are the laws of logic in

1146
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,520
a world where if you're saying there's no contradictions, that

1147
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,279
requires laws of logic. So what good is a hypothetical

1148
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:38,920
world where there's quote brewte facts, but there's laws of logic?

1149
01:08:39,079 --> 01:08:40,640
So how do we know that the laws of law

1150
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,640
are the are the laws of logic in that world?

1151
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,680
Also brute facts?

1152
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,119
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1153
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 1: Okay, how do we know that those are the things

1154
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,439
that are the brute facts? So other words, we could

1155
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,119
just ask the question of criterion and say, okay, what

1156
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:56,760
are all the things that are the brewe facts? So

1157
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,520
it basically it just sounds like just the atheist worldview.

1158
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,520
So we're just gonna list all the things that the

1159
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:03,640
atheist worldview has.

1160
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I agree.

1161
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: So I'm going to have a So basically it's I'm

1162
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,359
gonna have it's a great question. I'm going to have

1163
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:16,119
a hypothetical world where everything works and it's the atheist worldview.

1164
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:20,720
Where's the problem? Well, that's just deflecting from the question

1165
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:25,760
of justification, and that's exactly what you're asking is So

1166
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,560
you're basically just constructing. I mean, that's really that's not

1167
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:33,039
like the purpose of possible worlds is really just to

1168
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:41,079
show logical and logical impossibilities. Right, But atheists actually tend

1169
01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:43,640
to think of these things as like metaphysical proofs, right, Like,

1170
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,800
if I can construct the world that makes sense, then

1171
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:50,800
why is that not the way that we can understand

1172
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,439
this world? Well, it's assuming the thing in question, that

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you can construct the world that makes sense without giving

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an account for the necessity of preconditions to make sense. Right,

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So it's just assuming the thing in question, deflecting away

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from it and saying, let's just construct a world where

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athe It's like saying, well, what about a world where

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atheism's true? What's the contradiction in a hypothetical world where

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atheism is true? Kyle? What's up? Well, then I can

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just if you can bring that to a debate, then

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I can just bring the same thing to the debate

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and say, what's the problem with a hypothetical world where

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God exists and God and so therefore God is true.

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It's just like avoiding the debate by constructing hypothetical worlds.

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What's up? Kyle?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 26: Jay, So I actually had two questions. So the first

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one I was watching your debate with Redeemed Zuomer, and

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he was questioning you about if someone theoretically never sinned,

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then would they still need salvation?

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Speaker 5: And you said that no one could ever.

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Speaker 26: Be sinless because as if are proclivity to sin. But

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as far as I know and Orthodox theology, Mary is sinless.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I address this that I didn't want to go

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into the issue of distinguishing actual sin from original sin

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because it would have turned the whole debate into a

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debate about Mary, and that's not what we were there

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to debate. So, yes, Mary is without the actual sin,

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but she is under the effects of original sin, and

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that's why she died. So to be precise, you have

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this plane. There's a difference between being quote in a

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state of sin, which is a deprivation of grace, and

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an actual sin, which is a specific sin against God's commandments. Right,

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So sometimes Paul his epistles talks about people being under

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the law of sin or under sin or in Adam. Right,

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that's not guilt. You're not guilty for what Adam did.

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You're deprived of grace through the effects of Adam sin.

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But sin, according to James, is when you consent by

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your will to something against God's law or against the

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ten commandments. So sin is not actually technically a state

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of being. It's an action of the will against the good.

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That's why specific sins are specific actions. So really there's

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not there's no such thing as a state of sin.

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And that's why Calvinists end up being Manicheans because they

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think that nature is guilty. There's no such thing as

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a guilty nature. God creates natures, therefore God can't create

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something inherently evil. But Calvinism and Lutheranism, and luther was

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actually Manichean on this point. They actually make natures evil.

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So does that help reconcile the point? It's not. It's

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not even a question of could there be a person

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who didn't sin committing actual sin, because we would say

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that grace preserved Mary from committing an actual sin. But

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she's still a daughter of Adam. And that's why in

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the Orthodox streatory have the feast of dor mission. Because

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she died, she still experienced the effects of Adam sin.

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Speaker 26: Okay, so in her case, her salvation is.

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Speaker 3: Not from her sin, but from the fact that she

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inherited the.

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Speaker 26: Effects of Adam sin, and so that was.

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Speaker 1: She's still saved by grace. It's just that she didn't

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commit actual sins and she was prevented from that by

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divine grace as well. Okay, So the problem is that

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the problem is that Protestants don't conceive of salvation first

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and foremost as a metaphysical, ontological reality and participation in

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divine energy. They conceive of it as a legal status,

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and so they believe anybody in Adam is in a

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legal status of being unrighteous. If Mary is a daughter

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of Adam, then she's by default naturally guilty because she's

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in Adam. And that's not the Orthodox perspective, and that's

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why we don't believe in the Western Augustinian conception of

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original sin.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, so I had.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't go into that in that debate, not

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because I couldn't answer him. I just didn't want the

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whole debate to turn into debate about Mary.

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Speaker 26: Right, And I could kind of see where he was

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going with it, like why wouldn't Mary, you know, how

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would she needs salvation? But I can kind of understand what.

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Speaker 1: You have to distinguish, right, You have to distinguish the

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effects of original sin and actual sin. And even the

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Roman Catholic Church has done that. So the only people

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that don't do that would be you know, Lutherans and Calvinists,

1253
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pretty much everybody else believes the same thing. Even the

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Roman Catholics no longer have the you know, infant damnation mass.

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Speaker 27: I'm not a doctrine, okay, And so I just had

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one more question, and I just want to hear your

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general opinion on Michael Heiser's work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think there is a divine council

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that contributes to the idea of the Community of Saints. Man.

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He was a long time subscrip river to my website,

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paid paid member. What's up? Salads are? Salads are?

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Speaker 3: Was up?

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Speaker 13: Let me.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 28: I wanted to ask you a question about the Trinity.

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Speaker 5: I understand that.

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Speaker 28: The needs of unity and diversity in the relationship between both.

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And then the question would be, and I'm not sure

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if as to this correctly, why that would be the

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Holy Spirit Christ in God and not anything else.

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Speaker 1: Why that would be what the Holy Spirit? What the Christ?

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Speaker 28: Why it would be our trinity, the Christian Trinity? And

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if the answer is that you pausit as a tag

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is made in opposition to any other argument, what what

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what would you say to someone that would.

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Speaker 1: Can you resay your question I don't understand your question.

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Can you say it? Are you asking about the problem

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to won them any of the trinity?

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Speaker 28: Yeah, exactly all the trinity could as justifying the Christian

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view to someone else?

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Speaker 1: Would the question of the Why would the.

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Speaker 28: Question of trinity be the Christian trinity? Why would the

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relationship between God, the Son, the Knower, and the Known

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and the relationship between them be Christ's God and the

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Holy spirits? Why could it not be anything else some

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other combination?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean if you look at other options like

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Platonism and Neoplatonism, and they have such fundamental problems that

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break down the epistemology that you could never even know

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that triad or that monad. I mean, Plato's monad is

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nothing like what we positive about the Father and his

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relationship to the Son and the Spirit. So, for example,

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Plato's monad is not personal and there's no intentionality in

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terms of the emanations from the one. That's very different

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from a world that's created out of nothing, that has purpose,

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intentionality and a kind of an ethical norm via the

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tank commandment. So just in terms of ethics and metaphysics,

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like the Christian paradigm is light years ahead of anything

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that Platonism would offer. Okay, so I'm not and I'm

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not even aware of any other I mean maybe a

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Hindu triad, but I mean Hinduism also has the same

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01:17:16,279 --> 01:17:20,000
very fundamental metaphysical problems of course.

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Speaker 28: So the answer would be you have to give an

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alternative tag works and oppositions, So you would ask for

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01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,800
that person's alternative to that, as in nothing except for

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the Christian.

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Speaker 5: View as possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because remember it's not just an argument for an

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abstract idea of reconciling the one in the many. It's

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also all of the other categories that make yeah, like

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you have to give an account for history, you have

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to get give an account for the external world, you

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have to give an account for ethics, for knowledge, for universals,

1314
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et cetera. All those things make up aspects of the

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worldview that make knowledge possible. And if your worldview fails

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at a very basic metaphysical level, something like maya, you know,

1317
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Hindu maya or something less a defeater for the possibility

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of knowledge. So you're not going to get all these

1319
01:18:07,119 --> 01:18:12,680
other categories in that worldview, sol jah, what's up?

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Speaker 3: You would have a problem defeating the poop betas.

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Speaker 1: Though that's true. I mean, yeah, I'm aware that there's

1322
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a kind of triad or trinity in Hinduism, but it

1323
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,479
doesn't matter if there's a fundament like you can. I

1324
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,680
could say I believe in the Christian trinity, but I

1325
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,359
think reality is an illusion. Well that defeats knowledge, So

1326
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it doesn't matter that you believe in a trinity. So

1327
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people like to go through and do like a you know,

1328
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Zeitgei style. Oh look, here's a similarity of a hinder trinity,

1329
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and here's a Christian trinity in a neo platonic trinity.

1330
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Therefore they all believe in the trinity. This is the

1331
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same mistake, you guys, that the Rumman Catholics make that.

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Speaker 2: Muslims believe in one God. Jews believe in one God.

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Good Catholics believing one God. We all believe in one God.

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Speaker 1: It's the same God. It's a very basic, simple, stupid mistake.

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And I'm not trying to be mean to you guys,

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but like, because I see people in the chat and

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they're like.

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Speaker 2: Well, Hinduism has the trudity? Was it different?

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Speaker 1: Guys? You got to get past the same words. Okay,

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just because there's a trial, like Platonism is full of triads.

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Does that mean that that's the same triad that Gregory

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Palamos talks about. No, They're very different. So the same

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word can refer to very different things in different systems,

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in different context. And by the way I meant, I

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was thinking, actually, do this whole stream just about worldviews

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and systems approaches, because reflecting upon all the Roman Catholic

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inabilities in terms of getting why dogmatic contradictions will be

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a defeater for the worldview. And going back to, you know,

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thinking about the Ybara debate and these different debates with

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the Tomas over the years and this and that, I'm

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more and more I recognize that ultimately is not an

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intellectual issue. It's obviously spiritual, but in the intellectual domain

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they don't understand. And it was a guy, great guy

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that called in actually a few weeks ago and made

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this point. He was like, the trad cuts don't understand

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system level thinking. They think that you can just keep

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piling up like other arguments or other evidences and if

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there's a contradiction, well then you can reconcile it with

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a bunch of counterweighted evidences. Over here on this side.

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And remember the end the debate, Ibarra said something like that.

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He was like, look, if I can pile up a

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lot of papal evidences in history, isn't that possibly a

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proof or a case for the papacy and Vatican one?

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And it's like, even if you could do that, Eric,

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it wouldn't matter if there's a system level defeater. And

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I think at one point in the debate he says

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something like.

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Speaker 2: If you could show a contradiction in the door was good,

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dog would be a defeater.

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Speaker 1: Well, why did we just hear Loft Dog say a

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minute ago that Cleaves share the very thing we're talking about, right,

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often basically saying, yeah, the the.

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Speaker 2: Mergist, the mergist, don't do this, yo, the mergisterium dog,

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if they was saying don't do this and now they

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say do do this?

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Speaker 1: Oh, so like the very argument that I made ever

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since I was a set of a contest mortalium animals.

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So let's hear this again.

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Speaker 17: If you have the Magisterium in the past saying don't

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do this, and then the Magisterium now saying do do this,

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or the opposite, right, the Magisterium saying in the past

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do this. Now it's saying don't do this. Which one

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do you go with? You know, there's some documents like

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Mortalium Animals from Pious the eleventh less than one hundred

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years ago, where the pope is saying, you can't have

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ecumenical prayer meetings and if you do that, anyone who

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does that has departed from the faith and doesn't believe

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the Catholic faith. And now, I mean we have in

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the post Conciliar period these ecumenical prayer meetings all the time.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, then I guess I could logically conclude that

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the papacy has magisterily departed.

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Speaker 2: From the faith. Ain't that true?

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Speaker 29: Dog?

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Speaker 2: Ain't that true?

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Speaker 1: Loft dog? Well, guess what that would be. That would

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be a system level defeater. If the magistarium contradicts, then

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the system contradicts. And I think this is the point

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that many of these people do not understand. If there's

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a systemic level contradiction, that's not the same thing as

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this bishop was a sinner, this priest over here was gay,

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this priest was a pdf. That's not a system level

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01:22:52,359 --> 01:22:56,159
defeater because they're not thinking of their religion as a

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01:22:56,199 --> 01:23:02,680
system even though it is there's systematic theol Protestants, Orthodox

1404
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,520
Roman Catholics all have systematic theologies, that is, a system

1405
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:11,239
level presentation of our beliefs. Divine revelation in the Roman

1406
01:23:11,239 --> 01:23:14,560
Catholic position is all things contained in the tradition of

1407
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:19,319
the Church, whether declared by extraordinary magisterium or taught forever

1408
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:23,640
in her universal ordinary magisterial teaching. That is divine revelation.

1409
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,399
To the Roman Catholics according to Vatican One, that means

1410
01:23:28,359 --> 01:23:31,960
that nothing in that body of doctrines, that body of

1411
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:37,319
magisterial teaching can contradict. So what's one of the patent

1412
01:23:37,319 --> 01:23:39,720
response to the Roman Catholics. Oh well, there's only a

1413
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,920
couple execa theater things that you actually have to believe

1414
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:45,760
totally not true, totally made up, total bullcrap position. They

1415
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:50,000
just say that because that broadens or excuse me, that narrows,

1416
01:23:50,079 --> 01:23:55,439
actually the possibility of contradicting statements. So then, when, as

1417
01:23:55,479 --> 01:24:00,000
Lofton points out Mortalium Animals in nineteen twenty eight, says

1418
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:03,399
that to have ecumenical prayer meetings with other quote Christians,

1419
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,600
we're not even talking about false religions. We're with Christian

1420
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:12,359
groups constitutes apostasy from the faith. Well, a couple decades later,

1421
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,800
thirty years later, we get Vatican two, the very opposite.

1422
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:17,920
Now the magistrum says we must do this. It's the

1423
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,920
work of the Holy Spirit. So you understand that they're

1424
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,279
admitting that the Holy Spirit is what inspired the magisterial

1425
01:24:24,359 --> 01:24:27,560
teaching of Mortellian animos. Now the Holy Spirit changed his mind.

1426
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,279
You could do the opposite post Vatican two in ostritt

1427
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,920
and a cz meetings, et cetera. But how does it

1428
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:37,039
not contradict? Oh well, I've narrowed what the dogmatic system

1429
01:24:37,039 --> 01:24:40,000
actually is to a couple ex cathedra things. No, I'm sorry,

1430
01:24:40,039 --> 01:24:44,640
that's not true. That's why Denzinger is called Sources of

1431
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:50,439
Catholic Dogma, and it's seven hundred and fifty pages, even

1432
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,840
up to Pious to twelve. It doesn't even include Vatican two.

1433
01:24:56,199 --> 01:24:59,600
And guess what. Denzinger isn't the full extent of papal

1434
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:06,039
dogma because it doesn't includ Vatican two. And Vatican two

1435
01:25:06,119 --> 01:25:08,960
is binding on all Catholics everywhere. You don't when you

1436
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,319
go to a Roman Calolic church, a Novasorto church, they

1437
01:25:12,359 --> 01:25:15,199
don't say, here's the catechism. You don't have to believe

1438
01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:16,800
all the Vatican two parts. That's optional.

1439
01:25:17,159 --> 01:25:18,159
Speaker 2: It's total lies.

1440
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: It's just total coping, insanity, bullshit. When all the Roman

1441
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,159
Catholics who start to get into the documents say, well,

1442
01:25:24,199 --> 01:25:26,359
I don't have to believe Vatican two. It's optional. It's

1443
01:25:26,399 --> 01:25:30,800
a pastoral council. There's nothing about the word pastoral council

1444
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,560
that says it's not dogmatic. Oh but Paul the sixth

1445
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,039
said he wasn't declaring new dogmas. That doesn't mean it's

1446
01:25:36,039 --> 01:25:38,520
not dogma. It just means he's not declaring new dogmas.

1447
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,000
It's bound for the entire church, with full apostock authority

1448
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,600
from the Papal See. In every one of the documents,

1449
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,960
all sixteen Vatican two documents have the same authority behind them.

1450
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:56,079
It's in your catechism, sighted many times over. So where

1451
01:25:56,119 --> 01:25:57,840
did you come up with this made up position that

1452
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,640
you don't have to accept it? In fact, so many

1453
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,000
post Vatican two popes have reaffirmed that you have to

1454
01:26:03,039 --> 01:26:07,199
accept Vatican Two. Francis said the magisterial reforms a Vatican two.

1455
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,399
The worst part of it with the nova sorto missay,

1456
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,079
he says, is absolutely binding an unchangeable magistarium. So now

1457
01:26:15,079 --> 01:26:18,920
you're gonna have to reject Francis to make the system work.

1458
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,359
So even though you try all you want to narrow

1459
01:26:27,399 --> 01:26:30,199
the scope to make the system work, you're going to

1460
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:34,439
be where Lofton's at admitting, Okay, magisterium is contradicting itself.

1461
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,119
You can either have these prayer meetings or you can't.

1462
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,159
And how can they be apostasy in nineteen twenty eight,

1463
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:47,479
but the work of the Holy Spirit in nineteen seventy.

1464
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 2: But you got you got a bad patriarch.

1465
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a bad patriarch. It's not a system level

1466
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,039
defeat or your dummies. How many times do we have

1467
01:26:56,039 --> 01:27:00,359
to tell you this. If I thought Bartholomew was a hope,

1468
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:06,079
if I thought he had the same position as Vatican one,

1469
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:10,159
that might be a good argument. But it's our position

1470
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:13,399
that says all the patriarchs can be heretics, and every

1471
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,479
one of them, as I think, at some point in history,

1472
01:27:16,359 --> 01:27:25,720
had a schism or heresy, all of them, the ep Rome, Antioch, Alexandria,

1473
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:29,159
they've all had schisms and heresies. There's no magical promise

1474
01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:32,800
to the one in Rome, especially given the fact that

1475
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,720
the Epistle to the Romans warned the Roman Church about

1476
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:36,560
being grafted out.

1477
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 2: Oh that's all we talking to the individuals, is not

1478
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:40,159
talking to the bushop of Rome.

1479
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: Dude, what more do you need to see than your

1480
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:51,399
church is having like skittles butt stuff ceremonies.

1481
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,600
Speaker 2: Well, you had a patriarch who went to a gay thing.

1482
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not a system level defeeder. And I'm

1483
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:00,880
not even saying that the gay thing is a system

1484
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:04,319
level defeater because the morals. The only way it's a

1485
01:28:04,359 --> 01:28:07,319
system level defeat is the fact that in Francis is encyclical.

1486
01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:12,760
He says you can bless the gay couples, not marriage

1487
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:13,520
the couples.

1488
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 2: But he says a note that duk of gay marriage.

1489
01:28:17,039 --> 01:28:20,359
Speaker 1: So what, I'm not arguing that it's about gay marriage.

1490
01:28:20,399 --> 01:28:22,439
It's opening the door for gay marriage. Just like the

1491
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,439
study that they're going to do. The Roman bishops in

1492
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,279
Italy have said, let's do a study on deaconess's and

1493
01:28:28,319 --> 01:28:30,840
everybody the Orthodox Church knows that the push for deaconess's

1494
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:35,720
is the preparatory stage for female priests. We know, we

1495
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:43,359
know this story, we know where it goes. Applis, what's up, hey,

1496
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:48,680
Jamie could you have me a coffee espresso, thank you.

1497
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1498
01:28:50,079 --> 01:28:53,279
Speaker 30: Hey, So you know, we've been seeing the rise of

1499
01:28:55,039 --> 01:29:00,439
political figures, for example, like Nick Flints, And what I

1500
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,560
was going to ask was, do you think people like

1501
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:09,319
Nick Fuentes are being pushed on purpose to serve the

1502
01:29:10,079 --> 01:29:16,000
purpose of potentially dividing and concrete as you often talk about,

1503
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:24,000
particularly like inciting white young men to become extremists In some.

1504
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: Sense, I think time will tell, you know people's ultimate

1505
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:32,399
motives and where they're coming from, and who's pushing them

1506
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:36,119
or behind them. I don't have any inside knowledge or

1507
01:29:36,319 --> 01:29:40,800
proof that he's propped up or handle or whatever. It's

1508
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,119
always possible with anybody, but I think time will tell,

1509
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:49,439
and I think that regardless of Nick's unmotivations or what's

1510
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:58,479
actually going on, there's definitely a push to create radical disintegration.

1511
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:02,920
So that why there are left groups Democrats that will

1512
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,920
support him push that, not because they support Nick or

1513
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,439
not because it even means that he's like a democratic operative,

1514
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,800
but they want to from their perspective, you know, kind

1515
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:16,600
of split MAGA. But Trump himself is causing a huge

1516
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,119
split in MAGA because he's doing all kinds of stupid

1517
01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:25,880
things so the criticisms are justified. I would probably agree

1518
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:29,479
with most of Nick's criticisms of Trump, maybe not all

1519
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,239
of them. I don't agree with, Like, I don't even

1520
01:30:32,279 --> 01:30:34,279
know if they were they trolling when he was talking

1521
01:30:34,319 --> 01:30:38,640
about Newsome and all that stuff, Like, I think that's crazy.

1522
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:43,359
But whether somebody is a bad actor or not, you

1523
01:30:43,399 --> 01:30:46,199
can never know for sure, other than unless there's some

1524
01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:49,359
evidence that comes out of there. Bad actors or time

1525
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:52,319
will tell. So for example, let's take Matt Frat. I

1526
01:30:52,319 --> 01:30:54,800
warned you guys forever and or ever that Matt Frad

1527
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,920
was not a good actor. And all I heard for

1528
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,840
all these years was how bad I was, how mean

1529
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:02,920
I was, how oh he's Jay Dyer is the worst.

1530
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:05,720
He's so mean, he's so mean. But what did I

1531
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,159
told you that that guy is only there for either

1532
01:31:09,239 --> 01:31:12,399
the money or for attention. And what does he do?

1533
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:14,479
He sells out to the Daily Wire, the Israeli Wire.

1534
01:31:15,119 --> 01:31:18,039
I told you guys this, like it was so obvious

1535
01:31:18,399 --> 01:31:20,520
if you knew and saw the way he handled stuff,

1536
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:21,920
in the way that he treated me and the way

1537
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:25,720
he treated ubi who he would and wouldn't have on

1538
01:31:26,039 --> 01:31:29,960
I mean, it's just like pretty obvious. But like people

1539
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:33,600
just don't have any discernment. And I mean Matt fred

1540
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:37,399
would do all the most contradictory and authentic things like

1541
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:43,000
wearing Orthodox t shirts of Orthodox saints when his own system,

1542
01:31:43,039 --> 01:31:45,640
if he's faithful to it, believes those people are schismatic

1543
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,119
and died outside the church. But I guess post Vatican

1544
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:50,479
Two you can go back and revise that and all

1545
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:52,840
the schismatic Orthodox that died out of counuey with Rome

1546
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,000
can now be saints and can now be saved. So

1547
01:31:55,199 --> 01:31:58,079
it's a perfect system I think for people to craft

1548
01:31:58,119 --> 01:32:03,279
a grift within. It's people pop apologists. And I know

1549
01:32:03,399 --> 01:32:07,159
Nick Quent, this is more of a political guy. Obviously

1550
01:32:07,159 --> 01:32:11,600
he's not super theologically focused. But the same principle I

1551
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:15,960
think applies for any of the face lords and the

1552
01:32:16,319 --> 01:32:21,560
people out here talking. Whether it's Candae, whether it's loft Dog,

1553
01:32:22,159 --> 01:32:25,600
whether it's Matt Frad, whether it's Trent Horn. Time will

1554
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:29,279
tell where these people are actually coming from, what their

1555
01:32:29,319 --> 01:32:33,359
commitments really are, whether they actually committed it was true.

1556
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:38,600
So that's my answer to that question. Time will tell.

1557
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,399
And look at the case of Trump, right, So in

1558
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:45,039
the case of Trump, people thought, well, well wait, is

1559
01:32:45,039 --> 01:32:45,560
he a good guy?

1560
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:46,279
Speaker 2: He's a bad gun?

1561
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,039
Speaker 1: What do you think of Trump? I mean I've probably

1562
01:32:48,039 --> 01:32:52,600
been asked that question fifteen thousand times in the last

1563
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,439
ten years, and I always give the same answers. Time

1564
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,800
will tell, and I said stuff like you'll probably do

1565
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,520
some good things and it's a bad things. Remember for

1566
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:02,399
many years, what do.

1567
01:33:02,399 --> 01:33:04,560
Speaker 2: You think of Putin? It's Putin based where is you

1568
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:05,199
a globalist?

1569
01:33:05,279 --> 01:33:08,359
Speaker 1: And it's like time all time. It's like it's the

1570
01:33:08,399 --> 01:33:11,239
most and I'm not faulting you, it's just the most lazy,

1571
01:33:11,359 --> 01:33:14,640
boring ant a question on People say, well, you remember,

1572
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:16,479
remember like two years ago, what do you think of Youlon?

1573
01:33:17,079 --> 01:33:19,399
Speaker 2: You think of you? What do you think of Trump?

1574
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:20,239
We think.

1575
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: It's like, can we talk about anything other than the

1576
01:33:24,079 --> 01:33:27,800
motivations of fake of face lords. By the way, remember

1577
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,800
that dude that called in, The Hispanic dude that called

1578
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,159
in said I was a communist because I didn't think

1579
01:33:34,199 --> 01:33:36,880
that we would have a monarchy in the next century.

1580
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:41,279
So that makes me communists because like your arguments.

1581
01:33:41,079 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 11: That communist, bro, you're just like a freaking communist because

1582
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,239
you've got to like you, you can't do nothing, but

1583
01:33:45,319 --> 01:33:47,640
you just sort of sit around speculate like where's your

1584
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,520
where's the thing's going to go in like one hundred years?

1585
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,199
So it's basically word it is bro Well, how would that?

1586
01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:57,560
How would that make me disingenuous? This doesn't even make

1587
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,159
any sense a non secuator. The fact that I think

1588
01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:03,159
that my positions won't happen in a few hundred years,

1589
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,079
that make the position wrong?

1590
01:34:06,319 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 1: Or how does that make my motives bad? Right? Very

1591
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,640
low tier people. Again, I'm not calling you load t

1592
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,800
heer because you asked me questions. It's it's fine to

1593
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,720
ask the questions, and I said, any topic. But have

1594
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,119
you noticed that people always want to debate people, They

1595
01:34:21,119 --> 01:34:24,800
want to debate their motives, and very few people always

1596
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:28,079
actually want to debate the issues. When I start talking

1597
01:34:28,119 --> 01:34:31,279
about stuff on Twitter, I talk about this or that,

1598
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:35,239
say papal document what happens in the comments and the

1599
01:34:35,279 --> 01:34:40,000
replies underneath Roman Cavolk's pile in talking about how much

1600
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,239
of a piece of shit I am and how bad

1601
01:34:41,239 --> 01:34:48,039
I am, not actually addressing the thing said. So dumb

1602
01:34:48,079 --> 01:34:51,119
people want to debate and talk about people. Intelligent people

1603
01:34:51,159 --> 01:34:54,479
want to talk about and debate the actual issues, and

1604
01:34:54,800 --> 01:35:00,319
cunning face lords know that and can manipulate and get

1605
01:35:00,359 --> 01:35:03,920
people bait. Debating and arguing about people, There's nothing more

1606
01:35:04,119 --> 01:35:07,960
effeminate than coming on streams and trying to debate motives,

1607
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,920
because you can never prove it, prove a person's motive

1608
01:35:11,279 --> 01:35:13,960
unless you have, like some screenshot of them actually saying

1609
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:16,760
I work for the FEDS and I will dupe all

1610
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,680
the right wingers. That is my motive, right, And how

1611
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:24,359
often does that happen? Very rarely, So it is a worthless,

1612
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:30,159
futile debate to debate people's motives rather than looking at

1613
01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:34,840
the actual actions, the actual positions, the actual platforms, and

1614
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:37,760
what they're doing, and what they argued for, and what

1615
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:41,880
have they argued for ten years? Have they been consistent

1616
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,399
in what they've been arguing for? Have they Here's another

1617
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:49,079
example in some of the case of say, okay, there

1618
01:35:49,119 --> 01:35:51,159
was a guy who here's a great example of a

1619
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:58,760
FED phony. The guy that ran was his name Horsch Mohler,

1620
01:36:00,119 --> 01:36:05,239
the bother Meinhoff group. Here's a great example of a

1621
01:36:05,239 --> 01:36:16,600
FED I think his name is Husht Mahler or was

1622
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:21,319
it Meinhoff. Maybe it's Utererck Meinhoff. I think that's what

1623
01:36:21,359 --> 01:36:26,560
I'm thinking of. Okay, so you had this like radical

1624
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:30,159
leftist group, right, and uh no, here he is. He's

1625
01:36:30,199 --> 01:36:35,520
one of the founders. Husht Mahler. This guy here exactly,

1626
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:37,880
That's where I'm going with this. So wait a minute,

1627
01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:41,920
husht Mahler. One of the founders of the Red Army

1628
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:49,640
faction Bottle of Mininehoff was a neo n big age

1629
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:53,079
denier and then wha, what do you know? Suddenly he

1630
01:36:53,159 --> 01:37:01,920
becomes a radical communist leftist organizer. And I think it's

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01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,520
pretty obvious that that guy was some kind of asset

1632
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:11,239
or fed or glowy, right, And why so unstable people

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01:37:11,359 --> 01:37:13,079
or people who I'm not saying that if you just

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01:37:13,159 --> 01:37:15,399
change your position, I've changed my positions. I think most

1635
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:17,439
human beings at some point they're love change their position.

1636
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:29,960
Hoorst Mahler. I didn't say hurst, I said Huste Mahler. Like,

1637
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:32,319
when you get these sort of vocal figures in these

1638
01:37:32,399 --> 01:37:39,439
radical movements like that guy, that's a great example of

1639
01:37:40,159 --> 01:37:46,560
you know, obvious fed activity or fed fed sploitation. I'm

1640
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:51,520
going to create a new genre of fed sploitation. Who

1641
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:53,880
are you saying should call in? Who is the same person?

1642
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:03,479
Thank you, welcome, all the Jeordlandians shout out to you, guys. Soldier,

1643
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,600
sister soldier, what's up? Did we already go to you?

1644
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:09,159
I don't remember. No, not yet. Okay, how are you

1645
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:10,319
doing good?

1646
01:38:10,319 --> 01:38:10,520
Speaker 3: Are you?

1647
01:38:11,079 --> 01:38:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm doing well.

1648
01:38:13,239 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 31: So I'm relatively new to the faith, and you know,

1649
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:21,079
through based Instagram edits, I've been introduced to John Chris

1650
01:38:21,159 --> 01:38:25,479
Austin and I learned recently, you know, his inspiration on

1651
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:29,199
divine energy. But then he says things like smiting the

1652
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:33,279
the blasphemers. Now, how was that reconciled?

1653
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 1: Uh, well, I need to know the contexts specifically where

1654
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:41,600
you're talking aout quote smiting the blasphemers. But I mean,

1655
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:47,159
there's no contradiction between Christianity and having laws against things

1656
01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:50,720
like blasphemy in the state. And you know, Chris Austin

1657
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:53,640
was at a time period when the Roman Empire was

1658
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:57,079
becoming Christianized and you were getting Christian emperors. So you

1659
01:38:57,199 --> 01:39:01,520
get Theodosias and you get uh, Saint Justinian, and if

1660
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,000
you read the Justinian, the Code of Justinian, it's actually

1661
01:39:04,079 --> 01:39:08,239
enacting a lot of Biblical principles and Christian principles into

1662
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:13,439
the state law. Uh. So there's there's nothing antithetical to that,

1663
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,520
but we might need to know the context as to

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01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,279
win it's appropriate. In other words, blasphemy might need to

1665
01:39:19,279 --> 01:39:22,079
be put down by you know, the state, and not

1666
01:39:22,119 --> 01:39:25,399
necessarily a doubt. I doubt Chris Slawson is telling you to,

1667
01:39:26,119 --> 01:39:28,880
you know, go out and punch anybody that says, you know,

1668
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:32,479
a bad word, right, yeah.

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01:39:32,279 --> 01:39:35,359
Speaker 31: I mean, you know, to say specifically he's talking about

1670
01:39:35,359 --> 01:39:38,119
in public thoroughfare or in the midst of form, go

1671
01:39:38,199 --> 01:39:40,479
up to him and rebuke him. And shouldn't be necessary

1672
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:43,119
in flig blows spear not to do so. Smite him

1673
01:39:43,159 --> 01:39:45,840
on the face, strike his mouth, sanctify your hand with

1674
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:46,720
the with the blow.

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01:39:47,359 --> 01:39:49,359
Speaker 1: Okay, well, there might be you know, there might be

1676
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:53,479
context of that, because again, in a situation where Christianity

1677
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,439
has the dominance in a society, that might be not

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01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,640
be tolerated. But if you're in the minority and you're

1679
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,560
not in a Byzantine empire situation, then no, that's probably

1680
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:07,399
not wise to do. And you're not. There's there's appropriate

1681
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:10,479
time and context for everything, even in scripture, right, there's

1682
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:14,800
a time for war, a time for peace. And don't

1683
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,479
get your theology from instagram. Edits. You need to go

1684
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:21,359
actually read these people and not follow what you see

1685
01:40:21,399 --> 01:40:24,520
in instagram reels because all that could easily be taken

1686
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:37,800
out of context. Siout, what's up? Siout? What's up? I'mute?

1687
01:40:39,159 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 32: Oh here can.

1688
01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 5: I understand?

1689
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 33: This question is not very well directed? But recently I

1690
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:51,279
was listening to your talk with doctor David Patrick Harry

1691
01:40:52,039 --> 01:40:56,479
and you know, basically discussing dans humanism and the entire

1692
01:40:57,119 --> 01:41:01,000
globalist matadim and how it might be derived from gnarscissism.

1693
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:05,479
But what I don't understand is how these old Canaanite

1694
01:41:06,399 --> 01:41:08,920
religious elements play into the sound of that coalesce in

1695
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,680
to this and if you can just refer me to

1696
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,720
something that's that would also be fine.

1697
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: How did old Canaanite religion play into transhumanism like.

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01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 33: All these yeah, the yeah, these these you know, or

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01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:24,920
symbol like metou.

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01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:26,079
Speaker 1: Well, bappha met is a more well I mean, I mean,

1701
01:41:26,119 --> 01:41:29,000
symbolism is very complex and very nuanced. I mean, I

1702
01:41:29,319 --> 01:41:33,760
don't recall anybody arguing that the symbol of Baphomet is Canaanite,

1703
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:37,520
although I'm sure there were, uh, you know, Jamie's done

1704
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:40,600
talks on some academic literature that she's read that covers

1705
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:45,640
the fact that ancient Canaanite religious practices Mesopotamian religious practices

1706
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:50,000
included TI A and Z stuff and Bapha met The

1707
01:41:50,039 --> 01:41:53,800
modern modern thing drawn by ELPs Levi isn't supposed to

1708
01:41:54,079 --> 01:42:00,159
it's supposed to encapsulate and image this idea of on

1709
01:42:00,279 --> 01:42:04,359
binary t R, A and Z stuff. So I mean

1710
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:08,159
probably you know, go watch Jamie's streams that you did

1711
01:42:08,199 --> 01:42:12,439
on that about the gala where we get gala events

1712
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:15,560
that actually comes from the ancient practice of the gala,

1713
01:42:16,039 --> 01:42:20,479
which was what you could imagine tir A and Z

1714
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:26,399
people running around doing crazy stuff. Ahren, what's up man.

1715
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 4: Hija?

1716
01:42:31,039 --> 01:42:31,520
Speaker 5: Can you hear me?

1717
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:33,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1718
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,239
Speaker 19: I would like to ask a couple of questions about

1719
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:37,279
race realism.

1720
01:42:38,039 --> 01:42:40,079
Speaker 1: No, we're not covering that, Zabby. Today we're on YouTube,

1721
01:42:40,079 --> 01:42:42,720
and that's the one topic that you can't cover on YouTube. Hey, Jamie,

1722
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:46,760
when our special guest arrives, could you let me know

1723
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:48,760
and then I will do it to the commercials and

1724
01:42:49,159 --> 01:42:52,560
we'll prepare for our special guests to be here. Jungle,

1725
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:55,439
what's up? By the way, to answer the question easily,

1726
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:58,800
I do believe races exist, and ultimately you could say

1727
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:03,479
they're ETHNOI or nose, but beyond that, that's a trap

1728
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:13,039
question for YouTube. What's up man, Jungle, I'm mute, Jungle,

1729
01:43:13,279 --> 01:43:18,880
I'm mute. Okay, don't I'm mute. You just sat there

1730
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:23,159
for nothing. Good job, Jordan. What's up, Michael Jordan? What's up?

1731
01:43:23,279 --> 01:43:29,880
Due your boy? Michael Jordan? Yes, we're supposed to have

1732
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,880
a special guest arrived today and he's gonna join me

1733
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:37,399
on stream, and uh, actually it'd be fun to have

1734
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:38,960
him in here for Q and A two, so if

1735
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,279
he if he comes, we will just allow him to

1736
01:43:41,359 --> 01:43:44,439
join us. It is not further Deacon and ill. It

1737
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:46,279
is a special guest. None of you are going to

1738
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:47,439
ever guess. What's up?

1739
01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:47,640
Speaker 2: Man?

1740
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 31: Hey Joe, how are you doing?

1741
01:43:50,199 --> 01:43:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. What's on your mind?

1742
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:55,359
Speaker 14: No that I just wanted to said you were going

1743
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:57,600
to do animate critiques.

1744
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 5: I wanted to give you some suggestions if that was

1745
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:00,840
all right.

1746
01:44:01,279 --> 01:44:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean I wrote down about six of them, so.

1747
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:05,840
Speaker 22: I don't.

1748
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:09,119
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have time for the fifteen more.

1749
01:44:11,159 --> 01:44:12,560
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you got?

1750
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 1: What do I need to say? I got Akira Blue

1751
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:21,279
Extissist becsella full metal alchemist Neon Evangelia, ghosts in Michelle.

1752
01:44:21,399 --> 01:44:21,880
Is there more?

1753
01:44:23,239 --> 01:44:27,520
Speaker 23: I was gonna say, attack on Titan and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

1754
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:32,600
Speaker 5: And also one piece if you don't mind.

1755
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:33,319
Speaker 3: The show's still.

1756
01:44:33,239 --> 01:44:36,279
Speaker 5: Ongoing, but I'd definitely like to hear your critiques.

1757
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:39,159
Speaker 1: Okay, all, I appreciate that. Man, Thank you, Jordan. I'll

1758
01:44:39,159 --> 01:44:41,840
take a look at those. Hopefully we can find some time. Jason,

1759
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:44,359
what's up man? What's on your one?

1760
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:47,680
Speaker 4: Hey?

1761
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:48,560
Speaker 3: J can you hear me?

1762
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:53,239
Speaker 4: I want to ask you a question? My friends. She's

1763
01:44:53,319 --> 01:44:56,760
an atheist. She studies for SINI, and.

1764
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 23: I was thinking of what's the best argument that I

1765
01:44:58,960 --> 01:44:59,960
could convince uff?

1766
01:45:00,399 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 4: Oh God?

1767
01:45:01,039 --> 01:45:02,359
Speaker 5: Like, what's the best way to call him?

1768
01:45:02,359 --> 01:45:05,279
Speaker 1: That the transcendental argument for God? So you can find

1769
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:08,600
go watch my debate with Matt dole Hunty as an example. Samuel,

1770
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:20,960
what's up, Samuel? You want to I'm you. Welcome everybody.

1771
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,359
We've got a nice crowd of eleven hundred. Welcome all

1772
01:45:23,359 --> 01:45:26,960
the Jeorde Lan Indians from Jim Bob's stream. Samuel, what's up?

1773
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:27,119
Speaker 3: Name?

1774
01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:28,399
Speaker 10: Hey?

1775
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:28,640
Speaker 18: Jay?

1776
01:45:29,159 --> 01:45:30,079
Speaker 4: Second time calling in?

1777
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:31,399
Speaker 5: Just a quick question.

1778
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:36,600
Speaker 34: Yep, I've been contemplating orpholoxy for like an year and

1779
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:41,960
off and I agree mostly, but the less things are

1780
01:45:42,359 --> 01:45:43,319
ikens and.

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01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:45,720
Speaker 4: Mary fneration.

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01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:49,319
Speaker 34: And I'm a reluctant Protestant right now, and they just

1783
01:45:49,359 --> 01:45:49,960
don't know what to do.

1784
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 4: Should I just take the faith for no?

1785
01:45:54,079 --> 01:45:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean, well, no, I think you should. I mean

1786
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:58,720
you're always gonna have questions, like you're never going to

1787
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,600
get to the point where there's no question. But if

1788
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:05,039
you're interested in the biblical case for Mary's position and

1789
01:46:05,079 --> 01:46:08,600
the typology around Mary, go to my video right here,

1790
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:11,039
what is the basis for the veneration of Saint Mary?

1791
01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:14,159
I have that talk there. And when it comes to icons,

1792
01:46:14,199 --> 01:46:17,880
I actually have many, many talks, many many If you

1793
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:23,000
just type in Jyder icons you will get a lot

1794
01:46:23,159 --> 01:46:23,520
on that.

1795
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:25,560
Speaker 2: You'll get.

1796
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:29,560
Speaker 1: This twenty minute video responding to Gavin Ortlund. You'll get

1797
01:46:30,199 --> 01:46:36,279
fifteen minute video here, you'll get oh, it's the longer talk.

1798
01:46:36,319 --> 01:46:38,039
Here we go. This is the longer talk right here,

1799
01:46:38,199 --> 01:46:41,760
hour and forty five minutes. There's another one that's a

1800
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,800
two hour talk that of course never comes up about icons.

1801
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:49,159
That is this is it right here, icon incarnation, the

1802
01:46:49,159 --> 01:46:55,119
reality of symbolism. So those are there's three talks and

1803
01:46:55,359 --> 01:47:01,640
some small videos, but also everybody. You gotta watch Lewis's

1804
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:12,760
documentary documentary Orthodox Shahada. Everybody watched this, all inquirers, all Catechumans, Protestants,

1805
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:17,439
Messianic Jews, of Jewish Christian worship in the Old Testament.

1806
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:24,560
This ultimately is the basis for liturgical worship and icons.

1807
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:31,479
You must watch Lewis's documentary. Everybody go watch it. And

1808
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:32,880
I'm not saying that to be rude or mean.

1809
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:34,039
Speaker 2: I get it.

1810
01:47:34,279 --> 01:47:38,359
Speaker 1: Everybody deals with mary, relics, icons. We all have that

1811
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:42,960
stumbling point. Also, Yes, the interview we did with Pago

1812
01:47:43,079 --> 01:47:45,319
five years ago, four or five years ago, that's a

1813
01:47:45,319 --> 01:47:49,279
good one too. But everybody needs to understand, especially Protestants,

1814
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:54,560
the biblical case for liturgy, and then iconography will just

1815
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,800
automatically be part of that. It's a package deal. It

1816
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,800
goes along with it. There's not going to be like

1817
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:05,439
a liturgical church that's iconoclass that doesn't exist anymore. Maybe

1818
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:08,479
at one time that existed, maybe amongst the historians or something,

1819
01:48:09,159 --> 01:48:11,680
or maybe the iconic class of the Seventh Council, but

1820
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:14,520
there's no church in history that ended up continuing on

1821
01:48:15,399 --> 01:48:17,560
after the Seventh Council and after the eight to forty

1822
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:22,600
three Triumph of Orthodoxy Council or a statement and the

1823
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:26,800
Sonoticon like it's gone. So unless you want to say

1824
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:30,880
the Church died and be a Calvinist because it went

1825
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:36,000
into full idolatry for what a thousand years, almost eight

1826
01:48:36,119 --> 01:48:39,720
hundred years, then you can need to read Orthodox Worship

1827
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:44,000
by WILLIAMS and Ainstall, Living Continuity with the Synagogue, Temple

1828
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:47,960
in the Church, Eucharistic Theology by Louis Bouller. It's a

1829
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:54,079
classic Catholic liturgist. He's either Catholic or angl can of Forget,

1830
01:48:54,119 --> 01:48:57,880
but Dom Gregory Dix also Catholic shape of the Liturgy,

1831
01:48:58,079 --> 01:49:01,920
Saint Germical Constantinople on the Divine litter. You can watch

1832
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:07,800
the Orthodox ro cored documentary Fountain of Immortality. And then

1833
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:16,000
there's also what is it called Hugh Weybru's book The

1834
01:49:16,039 --> 01:49:20,239
Byzantine Liturgy. Those are all great books, very easily, very accessible,

1835
01:49:20,319 --> 01:49:25,399
very readable books that you begin to understand, Oh, it's

1836
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:27,760
not really an issue of just can we have an

1837
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:30,159
icon or not? Is that an idol? Is that an image?

1838
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:37,079
Once you understand that God established liturgical worship full of imagery,

1839
01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:40,399
then that's like almost the entire case of the Protestants,

1840
01:49:40,399 --> 01:49:45,239
that its idolatry falls apart. Then it's not a question

1841
01:49:45,319 --> 01:49:49,239
of where is the second century Patristic witness to icons?

1842
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:51,479
I don't see it anywhere. Well, what if there's a

1843
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:56,239
liturgy that's it? Right there? Coco? What's up?

1844
01:49:59,000 --> 01:49:59,239
Speaker 2: Yes?

1845
01:49:59,319 --> 01:50:01,159
Speaker 1: I didn't know. By the way, ralp stake twenty dollars

1846
01:50:01,159 --> 01:50:07,880
appreciate that Neon evangelion is filled with Gnostic Cobbo kabalistic influences.

1847
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:10,000
I am aware of that, and I'm sure that I

1848
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:22,960
will bring that up should it come up, or should

1849
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:26,800
we get to it. It would be hilarious if you

1850
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:32,079
also watched all eleven and forty episodes of One Piece.

1851
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:37,880
I doubt I have the time for that. Let's see, Coco,

1852
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:39,079
you want to mute? Or what's up?

1853
01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:41,399
Speaker 8: Hey?

1854
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:42,199
Speaker 30: How's it going, Jack?

1855
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 3: Good?

1856
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Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 12: I've been listening through your writings of the Elite Lectures

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and reading through Tragedy and Hope and stuff, and one

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thing I'm trying to figure out is, especially with all

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the AI stuff going on lately, and everyone like rage

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Base and talking about how there's gonna be millions and

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millions of jobs replaced.

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Speaker 3: No one's gonna work anymore.

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Speaker 35: I don't understand the motivations of like the Tectovie for

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removing all these jobs if there's nobody making money to

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like buy the things that they're producing.

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Speaker 1: Because their overall plan. And go watch the talk that

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I did on Bill Joy's discussion of why the future

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doesn't need us because the overall plan is to be

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posthuman and to get rid of humans. So it's not

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about money, it's about transhumanism, posthumanism. Let's see. Oh, here

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you go, right, why the future doesn't need Us essay

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analysis Bill Joyce, Sun Microsystems tech Elite explaining right, it's

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time for us to focus on a new brand Meta.

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Just that's a pretty good Zuckerberger, I must say, if

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I must say so, Messa Ice, what's up Ice sized Baby?

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And by the way, it's not just that book. I

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mean there's Jacques Attali's books uh also described. We've covered

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two of his books. The The end goal isn't making money,

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Predicting the Global Predicting the Future of the Global EAE

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books Millennium by Jaquette Elite right here and Brief History

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of the Future right here. The plan is transhumanism, post humanism, Ice,

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what's up?

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Speaker 5: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: By the way, that's not antithetical to Zionism, right, so

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people you talk about transhumanists, you won't talk about that.

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Speaker 2: He's a Jew Jew.

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Speaker 1: Guess what. Jacques atteles Transhumanism Books, says that the global

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brain of transhumanism, when everbody's into the global hive mind,

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he says, it's the gollum. It's the same plan. It's

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not a different thing. It's the same thing. Ice, what's up?

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Speaker 23: Yeah?

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Speaker 36: I was just wondering if you had ever done a

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stream on up. I don't want to, like, I want.

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Speaker 4: To make sure I.

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Speaker 36: Don't get your channel flag for this or anything on

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a fake new went test on that one day in January.

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I was just wondering if you'd ever done a research

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stream into that.

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Speaker 1: I have not. No, I haven't discussed that, but I'm

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aware of it. I know you know Tucker's brought that

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up and stuff, But I mean what, I don't know? What?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Here we go, here's Sam. What's up? Sam? Not Sam? Hi?

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By the way, what's up, Sam?

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Speaker 4: Hey? Jay, I've been watching.

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Speaker 5: Reviews for a while.

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Speaker 1: Let me say this. One reason I don't like to

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go into the like speculating about they're a FED because

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of this. And I'm not saying you can't raise the questions.

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I understand people want to raise, but being a you know, well,

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let's be honest here, being a B C list alternative

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media commentator, which is not talking about my A list

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ediva status. We all know that when it comes to

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like being a sexy ediva, like I'm a list, but

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when it comes to like media commentary or whatever you

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could say, cee B list person, like, I already know

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what it's like to everyone weaves narratives because you talk, Oh,

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he talked to Dugan till you interviewed Dugan ten years ago.

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He's a FED, he's an FSB, he works for Prutin.

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I've been invited to Russia twice, okay, two conferences, Orthodox

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conferences and Russian geopolitical conferences. In both cases I said,

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I don't think I appreciate the invitation, but I think

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I don't think I'm gonna do it because first of all,

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I presume that when I return, I'm immediately going to

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be interviewed by that BI. They're gonna ask you qunch.

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I just don't want to go through that. Okay, so

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it's two tense a political climate when there's a proxy

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war with Russia in my to fly to Russia and

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try to you know, talk to Kirol or whoever, interview

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people or whatever I do. I mean, if we were

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in a better climate, it sounds fun, it would be awesome,

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but I chose to not go because I didn't think

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it would be wise given the charged climate. But it

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doesn't really even matter ultimately, because I know Alex has

1938
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been invited to Russia many times and he's he wants

1939
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to go, but he's never gone. But immediately like it's

1940
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it just provides this sort of narrative for retards to like,

1941
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oh see, well there we go. He went to Russia.

1942
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He's obviously a Russian spy. I'm trying to think of

1943
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the other situation. So, oh well, just being hosting the

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Fourth Hour, obviously I'm a controlled you know, co Intel

1945
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pro because the only people who would be on Alex

1946
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Jones would be co Intel pro, right, so I have

1947
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to be co intel pro for that, for hosting the

1948
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Fourth Hour. I'm trying to think of what else makes

1949
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me co intel pro see A, And it really just

1950
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depends on who you're talking to, right, because if you

1951
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talk to one person, well, he's obviously a massad because

1952
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he hasn't talked about Israel incessantly for every you Know

1953
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podcast for the last ten years. Well what about all

1954
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the places where he did talk about Oh well, but

1955
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it wasn't enough. So we're going to purity spiral over that.

1956
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Remember when Tucker went and interviewed old Tucker's got to

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be a Russian agent because he interviewed Putin. Well, but

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now he's CIA because the interviews wuint this, even though

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Alex is the one that set that up for them

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to have that discussion. So people love to jump to

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the conclusions, and that's really annoying when you're on the

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butt end of everybody spinning the narrative of that. I mean,

1963
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it's when you don't have an audience and you speculate

1964
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about everybody being a fed. It's a lot of fun.

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And then but when you're the butt of the joke

1966
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and you're the fed, it gets old, right, And I've

1967
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been called a FED and a Russian agent for ten

1968
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years and it just gets annoying. And so that's another

1969
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reason why I chose that, like, I don't know it

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just did. It makes it plus beyond all that. I

1971
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don't want to fly in an airplane for thirty hours.

1972
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If I get invited to Australia, I'm just gonna say

1973
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no because I don't want to fly for thirty hours.

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I might float there like Eli and Gonzalez. I'm just joking.

1975
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Was that the Gonzales brothers or that floated to California

1976
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or whatever. Alex Jones is not Jewish, so I don't

1977
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know what you're talking about. See, people just say this

1978
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stuff in the chat. Oh, Alex is Jewish. We know that. No,

1979
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he's not. Like you're just wasting your time talking just

1980
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total this is what I'm talking about. This people just

1981
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say retarded shit, nonsensically, and yeah, I'll come out and

1982
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say it. I Dugan bought me off. I get paid

1983
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in fedcoin. It's not fedcoin though, it's dougan coin and

1984
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it's backed by Soviet crypto. So that's what this is

1985
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all really about. By the way, we like, who's that

1986
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boomer that the worst boomer financial analyst right putin created bitcoin?

1987
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What's that guy's name, that boomer scammer man that pushes

1988
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help me out? You guys, No, no, No, he's a

1989
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Jim Kramer. No, the other one. He wears like librarian

1990
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Santa Claus t shirts. Damn Pegna that's him. Oh man,

1991
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he's the worst dude. The screaming, he's the boomer that

1992
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I mean. He is rich, he's like hundreds of millions

1993
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of dollars, but he charges you like thousands of dollars

1994
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to come to his money making courses and then he

1995
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just cusses you out. It's like Wes Watson. You remember

1996
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at Wes Watson like screaming and cussing his students out right.

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This is this guy is the worst right here, this

1998
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guy Dan pennya uh here it is. Wait till you

1999
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find out who created a bitcoin, you're gonna shit yourself.

2000
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Speaker 37: Antonio Reels twenty three. I'll pass the Texas. My question

2001
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:22,640
is as far as because I know you mentioned with

2002
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cryptocurrency bitcoin pretty much, if we found out who had

2003
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started it was behind it, it would drop to zero the

2004
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next day. Do you think banks will ever finance deals

2005
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anytime soon? If so, win No, No, I don't know,

2006
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but I.

2007
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Speaker 38: Call the top of the bitcoin market in December two thousand.

2008
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Speaker 1: So he's full of shit right there, because banks are

2009
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just right now opening up to an adopting bitcoin. I

2010
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think one of the first banks today actually just did it.

2011
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So Dan Penna was tolly wrong.

2012
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Speaker 2: Seventeen nobody listened to me.

2013
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Speaker 38: I had somebody at the seminar the penultimate second, the

2014
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last seminar gave at the castle. They lost one point

2015
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eight billion and bitcoins. The two brothers.

2016
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Speaker 2: One they.

2017
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Speaker 4: Have twelve million left.

2018
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Speaker 38: Of their bitcoin fortune.

2019
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Speaker 1: I said, so, yeah, when the market goes down, yeah,

2020
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you're gonna lose money. But I guarantee that Winkleball Swims

2021
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are like mega billionaires or not.

2022
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:30,359
Speaker 38: Not gonna sell sell half, keep half. Remember for those

2023
02:00:30,399 --> 02:00:34,199
of you that not one motherfucker on the planet listens.

2024
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:34,079
Speaker 4: To me.

2025
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:38,600
Speaker 1: Because you're crazy, retarded memory, you a screaming cust somebody.

2026
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Speaker 38: When you find out who's behind it, you will ship yourselves.

2027
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So he says Putin created bigcoin to destroy, to

2028
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:48,439
destroy the dollar. That's that's what he's famous for. And

2029
02:00:48,479 --> 02:00:53,920
he's been saying this for like eight years now, like

2030
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:56,039
here's a big cooin's about to go to zero. Here

2031
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you go.

2032
02:00:56,720 --> 02:00:58,399
Speaker 38: But one of the great calls I made is a

2033
02:00:58,439 --> 02:01:02,760
year ago when bitfuck with that nineteen six dollars.

2034
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Speaker 2: I said it's over.

2035
02:01:07,239 --> 02:01:10,840
Speaker 1: Here you go screaming boomer bitfuck is done. It's going

2036
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to zero. Oh really you sure about that?

2037
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:13,880
Speaker 16: Dan?

2038
02:01:15,079 --> 02:01:20,119
Speaker 38: Five years ago, Mark money sell half keyp half. My

2039
02:01:20,279 --> 02:01:25,479
mantees lost binions because nobody listened to me.

2040
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Speaker 1: We got some bitfucks.

2041
02:01:31,720 --> 02:01:33,359
Speaker 2: And I can tell too bad.

2042
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:38,880
Speaker 1: This guy is the worst you could not find. Oh

2043
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:41,800
he's ten times words of Peter Scheft. This guy is

2044
02:01:41,880 --> 02:01:48,760
the archetype of the most arrogant boomer ever. Dude's he's

2045
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:53,600
just the worst. But yeah, this whole thing that putin

2046
02:01:53,600 --> 02:01:59,000
created bitcoin to destroy the dollar. What's up, man, I'm you.

2047
02:02:00,039 --> 02:02:02,039
I'm sorry, Sam, did you have more? I got all

2048
02:02:02,079 --> 02:02:02,680
the sidetracked.

2049
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Speaker 24: You're good?

2050
02:02:04,359 --> 02:02:04,800
Speaker 39: You good?

2051
02:02:05,239 --> 02:02:08,840
Speaker 15: Uh, yeah, I've been I saw that process on the

2052
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on topic list, and I come from that kind of background.

2053
02:02:12,199 --> 02:02:16,399
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for you.

2054
02:02:16,479 --> 02:02:17,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, we getting there.

2055
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:18,960
Speaker 5: I mean I've been watching this stuff.

2056
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:23,199
Speaker 4: I had like two quick questions for you now that like.

2057
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:27,479
Speaker 40: I got this book The Story of christianitybody, who's still

2058
02:02:28,199 --> 02:02:29,880
that as I don't know if that's a book you're

2059
02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:32,560
familiar with, but I'm just trying to learn more about

2060
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Christian history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I would not recommend that. That's a very

2062
02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:40,279
low tier Protestant book. We used to when I was

2063
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at Baptist Bible College. I would not recommend Who's still

2064
02:02:43,119 --> 02:02:48,359
Gonzales's book? Yeah, it's terrible. I would say, get Yaroslav

2065
02:02:48,439 --> 02:02:53,119
Pelican's book, Emergence of the of the Catholic Tradition, Volume

2066
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one and start there. Jason, what's on your mind?

2067
02:02:56,920 --> 02:02:57,119
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2068
02:02:57,119 --> 02:03:04,039
Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Yeah, I wanted to ask you, Okay.

2069
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Speaker 3: I wanted to Yeah, I wanted to.

2070
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Speaker 26: Ask him, how could you cool yourself a church when

2071
02:03:10,359 --> 02:03:11,920
in communion was the Apostolic?

2072
02:03:12,039 --> 02:03:12,239
Speaker 3: See?

2073
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Speaker 1: Are you being serious?

2074
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:18,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you guys accepted.

2075
02:03:22,479 --> 02:03:24,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the guy who calls in with the

2076
02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:26,279
This is the guy who calls it. You call in

2077
02:03:26,319 --> 02:03:29,079
with the same stuff, all right, So you can't do it. Yeah,

2078
02:03:29,199 --> 02:03:31,079
this has already been all right, so you won't shut up.

2079
02:03:31,279 --> 02:03:33,920
This has already been addressed by UBI. It's already been

2080
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:38,199
addressed by UBI. Yeah, I think you understand that your

2081
02:03:38,239 --> 02:03:48,000
papacy calls us Apostolic churches even still. Okay, does the

2082
02:03:48,039 --> 02:03:51,960
papacy call us Apostolic churches still to this day?

2083
02:03:52,279 --> 02:04:01,359
Speaker 30: Because does it?

2084
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Speaker 1: It's already been addressed in Ubi's talk. This is the

2085
02:04:07,680 --> 02:04:10,960
guy who calls in. He called in like a week ago.

2086
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We did this whole cycle of the same stuff with

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Pope Agatho. It's it's still just the lowest tier twenty

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year old guys that just learned this stuff like a

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few months ago, and they think that that's a gotcha.

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Ubi's already dressed this right here, the Labella's of hermisdas

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and the failure of policy. You can read that right there.

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But the iron is that even if I granted that

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it was accepted, the papacy to this day calls Orthodox

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churches true Orthodox churches, even though they're not in commune

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with Rome. So the e humanist turn of the papacy

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invalidates the papacy. But they again perfect example of not

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understanding system level argumentation. Because even if I grant that, okay,

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you're right, but let's say we're all supposed to be papists,

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how do we deal with the fact that the papacy

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has contradicted itself. But you see, he won't actually stop

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and have a conversation. He just wants to stutter with

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his Asperger syndrome and his retard mouth. What's up, Hello, yep.

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Speaker 8: Oh, I just had a question about conspiracy texts.

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Speaker 19: So I noticed, like I've sent from one of.

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Speaker 40: Your Twitter lists, there had like fifty conspiracy textbooks.

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Speaker 1: To that do was like Daffy Duck, He's like a

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Roman calolic. Daffy Duck apologizes, go ahead, what yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: So I was just wondering if you ever read William

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Cooper like All the Pale Horse.

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Speaker 1: No, it's retarded, dumb shit. I wouldn't recommend that book

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anything dealing with like alien crad No, I don't. I

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don't like conspiracy books. That's why we stick to most

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of the time. I would say eighty percent of the

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time we stick to texta are from the establishment, admitting

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02:06:24,920 --> 02:06:28,920
their positions. I hope Saint Daffy that's like the third

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profile he's created, by the way, because I always boot him,

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and then Saint Daffy Duck creates another profile and then

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he like quacks back in spitting all over his Could

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you imagine the spit That's like like he's got to

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02:06:40,319 --> 02:06:42,359
get some kind of spit guard for his computer or

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else his MAC with short circuit uh fuffing, what's up?

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I mean, that's what we've been reduced to in the

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Roman Catholic apologetic world is basically fat wingers like Michael

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Lofton sellouts going to the Israeli wire, Matt Fraud, I

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mean Matt Frad. And now we've got saying Daffy Duck

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over here, spitting all over, spew and everywhere, all over

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the keyboard, smoke.

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Speaker 5: You must we've a kind of guy who gives whole

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candy barnes Man Halloween.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yummy, we got Daffy Duck apologetics over here? What's

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02:07:35,239 --> 02:07:35,600
up man?

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Speaker 3: Hello?

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02:07:38,239 --> 02:07:38,479
Speaker 1: Yep?

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Speaker 41: Hey has a going JPIG fan. I got some of

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your book recommendations, and reading through him, I realized that,

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you know, I'm not actually picking up necessarily on the references.

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So I've been having a lot of time spending in

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the First Millennium and the Fathers.

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Speaker 5: Is there sort of maybe a way to go about it?

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02:08:00,319 --> 02:08:05,039
Speaker 1: Well, you've been reading my recommendations and you're not picking

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up the references. What do you mean?

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Speaker 28: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 41: So sometimes I'm just very new to it. So when

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I'm reading the books, I'm realizing I'm beyond my depth.

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02:08:13,359 --> 02:08:16,760
So I'm wondering if maybe there's a nice way to

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go about reading about the first millenniums and understanding the true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't start with reading the Church fathers themselves necessarily,

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unless you want to begin with an easy text like

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on the Incarnation by Saint Anthonasius, five Theological Orations by

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Saint Gregor nazian Zeus, on the Holy Spirit by Saint Basil.

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Those are very readable, accessible introductory patristic texts. I would

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actually start with a pretty normative seminary text that's used

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by Protestants Orthodox Catholics. They are a slav Pelicons, volume

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02:08:49,880 --> 02:08:54,079
one of the Christian tradition. It's Emergence of the Caliti tradition,

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02:08:54,199 --> 02:08:57,159
volume one. So I would say start with that because

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you need to get an overall introduction to the terminology

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and who this person is, et cetera, before trying to

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02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:08,880
go deep into like I'm gonna read Saint Maximus on

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02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:11,800
the LOGI like, you're gonna be lost. Sons of Jared.

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02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:18,560
What's up? Man? We got a daffy dut profile actually

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02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:22,760
in the chat. That's weird. I hope it's that guy again.

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I'm mute man.

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Speaker 32: First of all, I get into a lot of beefs

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on Twitter, and what I do is I tag your

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stream for them to come to.

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Speaker 3: So I get into.

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Speaker 32: Uh yeah, yeah, so I would tag. I would tag

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your stream, so I invite a lot of people. Then

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02:09:52,520 --> 02:09:53,880
this at the end of the day never show up

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to debate.

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02:09:55,039 --> 02:09:56,720
Speaker 4: So I want.

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Speaker 1: None of this. By the way, none of the Zionists,

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02:09:58,479 --> 02:10:03,000
Christian Zionists that we act and uh messaged and smack

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02:10:03,079 --> 02:10:06,840
talked for two weeks, not one of them would show up.

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None of the pastors, none of the evangelical wine moms,

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02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:11,680
none of them would come.

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Speaker 4: Yep, And I was going in that direction.

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Speaker 32: But since father digging this year, I was wondering if

2181
02:10:18,279 --> 02:10:21,720
I can push a bit on tag. First, I watched

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02:10:21,720 --> 02:10:25,760
your videos about especially with Muslims, and are you aware

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02:10:25,800 --> 02:10:28,399
of kigging classification?

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02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:29,279
Speaker 1: No?

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02:10:30,319 --> 02:10:33,880
Speaker 32: So kigg in class five classification is the ability of

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02:10:34,399 --> 02:10:38,760
abstracting from abstraction to discuss your worldview, and apparently only

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02:10:38,840 --> 02:10:39,920
five percent can do it.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, that sounds very relevant.

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02:10:42,760 --> 02:10:43,680
Speaker 2: What's it called.

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Speaker 5: Classification?

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02:10:53,039 --> 02:10:54,640
Speaker 36: E g.

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Speaker 32: A n AS in North Robert Keighan order of consciousness?

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This is psychology, a bit of pseudoscience, but there is

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some I mean, there's also PHGA classification, which also saws

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abstracting from abstraction is about ten percent, So consider me

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of the ninety percent who don't get it, okay, so

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that I'm not trying to show off of saying better

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02:11:22,399 --> 02:11:28,720
than others. So the problem was attacked that I'm encountering,

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and I had an atheist phase and a lot of

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time I get into this with atheism, and you talked

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02:11:34,720 --> 02:11:36,600
about this, So I just want to push back a

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02:11:36,640 --> 02:11:39,199
bit on it because you're more coherent than me.

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02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:40,840
Speaker 4: So at some point.

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Speaker 32: There is an abandonment of knowledge for utility if I'm understanding,

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and for example, I would tell you why do I

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02:11:51,800 --> 02:11:56,279
have to justify logic and reason if you cannot argue

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against them without using them?

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02:11:57,960 --> 02:11:59,319
Speaker 5: So why do they justification?

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Speaker 9: What can be? Yes?

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Speaker 3: What's pragmatic? Why don't you to justify logic? So that's

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the first push back.

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Speaker 18: On deck.

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02:12:10,279 --> 02:12:11,399
Speaker 4: How would you answer this?

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02:12:12,199 --> 02:12:14,199
Speaker 1: Well, if you don't have to justify your use of

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02:12:14,239 --> 02:12:16,359
a thing, then why do I have to justify my

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02:12:16,439 --> 02:12:18,479
belief in God? Right? So it's just sort of like

2217
02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:21,000
the same problem that we presented with Matt della Hunty

2218
02:12:21,039 --> 02:12:24,439
when he was like, well, presuppositions or assumptions just by

2219
02:12:24,439 --> 02:12:26,800
definition can never be justified and I was like, well,

2220
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:29,399
but Matt, you said never believe in something that you

2221
02:12:29,439 --> 02:12:32,000
can empirically verify, so that would be a contradiction. But

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Father Deacon at Nias, are you there? Are you available?

2223
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:40,079
Do we have it? Why should I have to justify logic?

2224
02:12:40,159 --> 02:12:45,399
Isn't it just a thing that just is? Just as what? Yeah? Right?

2225
02:12:47,399 --> 02:12:55,600
Speaker 39: So you're claiming a person's claiming that logic is a

2226
02:12:55,600 --> 02:13:01,239
whole bunch of things, a couple of which that it's

2227
02:13:01,399 --> 02:13:05,439
normative that we ought to hold to these logical rules.

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02:13:05,600 --> 02:13:07,680
And then somebody just turns around says, I don't have

2229
02:13:07,720 --> 02:13:17,439
to justify that. Number two, that logic used properly is juspraitory.

2230
02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:24,520
Speaker 5: So if it just is, well that doesn't answer why

2231
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:28,800
is it justpratory? Why are those there using that the.

2232
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:30,800
Speaker 4: Correct way to get to a true belief?

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02:13:31,039 --> 02:13:35,079
Speaker 39: So it's just a hand wave, And if that's true,

2234
02:13:35,800 --> 02:13:38,079
you can just say it just is, then we can

2235
02:13:38,119 --> 02:13:41,199
just say anything is. I don't I don't have to

2236
02:13:41,279 --> 02:13:43,239
just it just is. That's just the way things are.

2237
02:13:43,279 --> 02:13:47,520
And a third, it's not like I said, it's not

2238
02:13:47,560 --> 02:13:50,760
even a complete sentence. I mean, the persons obviously are

2239
02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:57,000
either retarded or having a stroke. Is what is it

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matter bouncing around? Is it are arbitrary rules? Is it

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02:14:02,399 --> 02:14:07,159
just axioms and all that's going to imply a whole

2242
02:14:07,159 --> 02:14:09,199
bunch of hosts of other things too. So it's just

2243
02:14:09,520 --> 02:14:13,399
it's a really stupid load tier. Like just even incomplete sentence,

2244
02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:17,000
I agree with what you're saying.

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02:14:17,279 --> 02:14:20,159
Speaker 32: The other thing comes into mind is that they would

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02:14:20,199 --> 02:14:23,880
say that. And this is one eighties that Jay debated,

2247
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:25,920
and the guy keeps saying that he's a monkey.

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02:14:25,680 --> 02:14:26,720
Speaker 3: And his probability.

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02:14:27,199 --> 02:14:31,159
Speaker 32: The issue is if you have everything is a probabilistic belief,

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which is, you know, this is as close as you

2251
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:37,800
can get to mathematical science, and then mathematics and probability.

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02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:42,399
Probability probabilistic believe would not allow you to have knowledge,

2253
02:14:42,760 --> 02:14:44,279
to have a pew of one. And then if you

2254
02:14:44,319 --> 02:14:47,199
don't have knowledge, so you cannot say you can only

2255
02:14:47,239 --> 02:14:51,439
have you can only say or have truth or knowledge

2256
02:14:51,479 --> 02:14:55,000
if you say something that's logical, mathematically, mathematically correct, or

2257
02:14:55,199 --> 02:14:58,319
a definition. But you cannot say something that.

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02:14:58,239 --> 02:14:59,680
Speaker 3: The sun is going to shine tomorrow.

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02:15:00,119 --> 02:15:01,880
Speaker 32: You also cannot say something that you and I are

2260
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:05,439
talking right now, So this would become very obviously dumb.

2261
02:15:05,680 --> 02:15:07,800
But you cannot have this conversation because they'll tell you

2262
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:10,319
that we cannot say that you and I are having

2263
02:15:10,359 --> 02:15:13,239
this discussion right now, and this is hard to tell

2264
02:15:13,279 --> 02:15:16,000
them that it's so stupid because if you don't believe

2265
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:18,720
that you are talking, then why are we having this

2266
02:15:18,840 --> 02:15:24,399
debate right So there's a skins in between then refusing

2267
02:15:24,479 --> 02:15:27,159
to acknowledge that there's truths or knowledge now other than

2268
02:15:27,199 --> 02:15:31,159
more relativity, which is they cannot justify morality. I'm trying

2269
02:15:31,159 --> 02:15:34,560
to bring out how this is a bit incoherent that

2270
02:15:34,600 --> 02:15:38,159
you cannot get to the truth you only assign a probability.

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02:15:38,199 --> 02:15:39,640
Speaker 3: Did you see what I'm trying to say?

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02:15:39,960 --> 02:15:40,600
Speaker 5: Jay and Father?

2273
02:15:40,640 --> 02:15:42,920
Speaker 3: You can where the problem.

2274
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:51,039
Speaker 1: Is FDA you anders, Sorry I missed you know.

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02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:53,680
Speaker 39: My problem is I'm writing an argument or I'm listening

2276
02:15:53,720 --> 02:15:54,439
to an argument.

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02:15:55,359 --> 02:15:57,880
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the answer to that question is just if

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02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:01,880
the that's the atheist basically saying the only things that

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02:16:01,920 --> 02:16:05,880
are real are the things that I determine our quote facts,

2280
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:07,920
and those are the only things that I determine our

2281
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:12,399
mathematical or are material objects, and so if you talk

2282
02:16:12,439 --> 02:16:16,000
about anything else by definition, they're not real. Well, that's

2283
02:16:16,119 --> 02:16:18,800
just them sort of poisoning the well and sort of

2284
02:16:18,840 --> 02:16:22,359
setting that they're they're staying from the outset. I'm not

2285
02:16:22,399 --> 02:16:25,199
going to allow anything that isn't within the parameters of

2286
02:16:25,239 --> 02:16:30,479
my worldview to be even considered. So they're saying the thing,

2287
02:16:30,560 --> 02:16:36,440
they're just stating what's in question, Yeah, exactly. Like, like

2288
02:16:36,479 --> 02:16:38,440
I'm father dea. Can imagine what would you say if

2289
02:16:38,559 --> 02:16:40,239
let's say you're talking to me and I'm an atheist,

2290
02:16:40,239 --> 02:16:44,079
and I say, well, look, the only things that exist

2291
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:49,239
are facts, and those are only things like physical objects

2292
02:16:49,879 --> 02:16:54,360
and mathematical proofs. Anything else you talk about, by definition,

2293
02:16:54,479 --> 02:16:58,000
doesn't exist, and you can't even make sentences about those things.

2294
02:16:58,040 --> 02:17:01,520
They're not real. So sorry, let's hear about God, which

2295
02:17:01,600 --> 02:17:02,799
by definition doesn't exist.

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02:17:04,239 --> 02:17:04,440
Speaker 18: Yeah.

2297
02:17:04,479 --> 02:17:07,399
Speaker 5: I just isn't that convenient?

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Speaker 39: Yeah right, I just arbitrarily define what's facts and exclude

2299
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things that would.

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Speaker 1: Refute my argument exactly.

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02:17:15,479 --> 02:17:17,000
Speaker 5: So if you can do that, then I do that.

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Speaker 39: It's like, well, I define facts is everything that's the

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opposite of what you're saying.

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02:17:26,239 --> 02:17:29,159
Speaker 1: Well, you're only doing that to come up with your

2305
02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:31,559
fictional deity. That's the only way you can defend your

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02:17:31,559 --> 02:17:34,079
theism is to to state the opposite of what we

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02:17:34,120 --> 02:17:35,280
all know is a fact.

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Speaker 39: And what's and it does push it pushes it obviously

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02:17:41,079 --> 02:17:45,680
back to that, well, how do you know it's a fact? Second,

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02:17:46,920 --> 02:17:49,200
these people don't even know what facts are. If you

2311
02:17:49,239 --> 02:17:53,120
ask them what a fact? The point is something empirical.

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02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:57,399
But like when we're covering in philosophy of science, facts

2313
02:17:57,479 --> 02:18:00,479
are not out there. It's not like the dog out

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02:18:00,479 --> 02:18:02,520
in the yard took a fact on the lawn and

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02:18:02,559 --> 02:18:03,399
I stepped in it.

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Speaker 5: Right, Facts are proposes are properties of propositions about the world.

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So they don't even know what they're talking about with

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regards to that. And then that opens up a whole thing.

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Speaker 39: Well, how do my propositions how are they derived from

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the empirical world?

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Speaker 5: And that's a problem they.

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02:18:24,920 --> 02:18:28,479
Speaker 39: Can't can't ever answer, because think about this, you have

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02:18:29,319 --> 02:18:37,200
an incommensurateness between the propositions, the thoughts, the logic, and

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02:18:37,239 --> 02:18:40,239
the world wide All of those are dose tactic, which

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02:18:40,319 --> 02:18:43,680
is like from the Greek word doaks of beliefs? Their

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logical conceptual their beliefs is logic out.

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Speaker 5: There in the world? Is it in the empirical matter?

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02:18:53,440 --> 02:19:00,360
Speaker 39: So how can what's non non conceptual, non logical, and

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02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:06,760
non propositional not non beliefs nondok taxic be a justification

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02:19:06,879 --> 02:19:08,120
for the opposite category.

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02:19:08,280 --> 02:19:10,440
Speaker 1: Do you see a brit La yeah album, Yeah, no,

2332
02:19:10,520 --> 02:19:11,000
that's great.

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02:19:11,559 --> 02:19:14,280
Speaker 39: You're just locked in your head just making up arbitrary.

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02:19:14,719 --> 02:19:19,239
They're either just trivial, but they're non substantial. They have

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02:19:19,360 --> 02:19:22,200
no way of bridging the gap.

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02:19:24,079 --> 02:19:26,920
Speaker 1: Let's talk God ten dollars. The guy who just called

2337
02:19:26,920 --> 02:19:30,239
in the Daffi Duck Apologist was supposedly Orthodox for a

2338
02:19:30,360 --> 02:19:33,440
year and he was always running around arguing with Catholics.

2339
02:19:33,520 --> 02:19:37,280
Then he said he read Calcidon and that converted into Romansolicism.

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02:19:37,639 --> 02:19:39,319
Then after a few days he talked to you he

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02:19:39,399 --> 02:19:42,239
got baked on honoreas well. Yeah, I mean that's obviously

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02:19:42,280 --> 02:19:45,239
somebody who's clearly a spurg. I mean, I'm not t

2343
02:19:45,440 --> 02:19:47,440
be mean, but like you could tell that the guys

2344
02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:50,440
like this is what happens with sort of twenty year

2345
02:19:50,479 --> 02:19:54,920
old guys that you know are determining the religions on

2346
02:19:54,959 --> 02:19:57,120
the basis of the latest thing that they read on

2347
02:19:57,120 --> 02:20:00,840
on Twitter or on the latest YouTube video that they saw,

2348
02:20:00,959 --> 02:20:03,600
the latest article they read. Is like they're going to

2349
02:20:03,639 --> 02:20:07,159
be something else in a few months. And I don't

2350
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:10,040
mean that in a mean way. But it's like, I mean,

2351
02:20:10,079 --> 02:20:11,959
the guy was just doing the exact opposite to the

2352
02:20:12,040 --> 02:20:16,959
Roman Catholics not too long ago. So then he'll move

2353
02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:20,840
on to atheism when he when he finds what he

2354
02:20:20,840 --> 02:20:23,440
thinks is a simple problem in Rome. I mean, I

2355
02:20:23,440 --> 02:20:28,479
can't imagine going from Orthodoxy to Rome without having mental problems.

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02:20:28,959 --> 02:20:32,239
Nathaniel Castro of five dollars. To justify that words have meaning,

2357
02:20:32,280 --> 02:20:35,120
you have to use words and to justify the claim

2358
02:20:35,159 --> 02:20:37,559
words have meaning. Is it necessarily then a circle? Is

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02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:40,399
it like this with logic? Yeah, I think when you're

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02:20:40,440 --> 02:20:45,040
asking fundamental level questions about things like how do we

2361
02:20:45,079 --> 02:20:47,360
know that logic is logical? How do we know that

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02:20:47,399 --> 02:20:51,399
words have meaning? Well, you're inescapably going to have to

2363
02:20:51,520 --> 02:20:55,760
use words to describe it, or you're going to have

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02:20:55,799 --> 02:21:00,360
to infer or assume or utilize meaning to discuss words

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02:21:00,360 --> 02:21:03,680
and meanings. So correct, that's the point that we make about,

2366
02:21:04,200 --> 02:21:07,680
Like Father Degan says, at a certain point arguments become

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02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:11,079
recursive or self referencing. That's not the same thing as

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02:21:11,360 --> 02:21:16,520
the fallacy of circularity. It's rather a different order of questioning,

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02:21:16,559 --> 02:21:19,440
which I like that guy that called in made this

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02:21:19,479 --> 02:21:22,040
point that I didn't realize there was some sort of

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02:21:23,719 --> 02:21:27,239
psychologists I guess who had come up with this levels

2372
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:31,120
of like basically, this is just kind of like levels

2373
02:21:31,159 --> 02:21:35,959
of abstract abstract thinking basically. And that's not to say

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02:21:35,959 --> 02:21:38,319
that all of Orthodox her religion is summed up in

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02:21:38,360 --> 02:21:41,200
your ability to be an abstract thinker. I mean that

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02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:44,920
was the case, then you know Gurdell and all these

2377
02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:49,799
mathematicians would all be Orthodox. No, it's just the mental

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02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:53,440
capabilities and IQ levels that people do or don't have

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02:21:53,639 --> 02:21:58,120
to be able to abstract and then abstract even further.

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02:21:58,360 --> 02:22:00,280
And as we've seen, and I don't mean that to

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02:22:00,319 --> 02:22:03,000
be mean, this is just a fact when and it

2382
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:05,799
backs up what the claim is that very very few people,

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02:22:05,879 --> 02:22:10,600
only a small percentage, allegedly have the ability to abstract

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02:22:10,680 --> 02:22:13,120
from an abstraction. It's a very small amount of people.

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02:22:13,879 --> 02:22:16,520
And I think the challenge that we did, you know,

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02:22:16,600 --> 02:22:19,479
we had the six hours of Muslims and we asked

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02:22:19,479 --> 02:22:22,280
the six hours of Muslim audience people, can you just

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02:22:22,319 --> 02:22:25,159
simply restate what the argument is? And not one of

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02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:28,360
them could except for that one girl who was I

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02:22:28,360 --> 02:22:31,600
think a PhD. And then she started kind of realizing

2391
02:22:31,639 --> 02:22:33,920
where she would have to go if she admitted what

2392
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:37,520
the argument was. So, in other words, to be able

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02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:41,399
to restate someone else's argument and to understand it requires

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02:22:41,559 --> 02:22:48,040
some degree of abstraction, and apparently a lot of people

2395
02:22:48,399 --> 02:22:52,440
can't do that, and then even fewer people are able

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02:22:52,479 --> 02:22:55,200
to abstract from an abstraction, and that's I think a

2397
02:22:55,200 --> 02:22:57,520
big challenge. And as I said for a long time,

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02:22:57,559 --> 02:22:59,559
I mean, the hardest part of it, of the transcendental

2399
02:22:59,600 --> 02:23:02,319
argument is really just it kind of requires a lot

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02:23:02,360 --> 02:23:05,680
of IQ and that's a negative when it comes to,

2401
02:23:06,600 --> 02:23:09,920
you know, explaining using the tag argument on a mass

2402
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:14,479
scale unless you're talking about something kind of accessible like ethics, right,

2403
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:18,239
Like is a Dossievsky that says something like if God

2404
02:23:18,280 --> 02:23:21,559
doesn't exist, everything's permitted. That's just a really super super

2405
02:23:21,559 --> 02:23:25,600
basic version right of tag applied to ethics.

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02:23:25,680 --> 02:23:25,840
Speaker 3: Right.

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02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:30,280
Speaker 1: Without God's existence, there's no justification for ethical norms and

2408
02:23:30,360 --> 02:23:34,239
right and wrong. So yeah, FDA would there's the thing

2409
02:23:34,280 --> 02:23:37,040
you want to say about that, like, what's the relationship

2410
02:23:37,040 --> 02:23:42,559
between you know, being able to think abstractly and an argumentation?

2411
02:23:42,719 --> 02:23:44,719
And this also fits into what I was saying earlier

2412
02:23:44,719 --> 02:23:47,879
with the Roman Catholics. And that's not to say that

2413
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:49,639
the Roman Catholics will have low IQ because many of

2414
02:23:49,639 --> 02:23:52,399
them are very, very intelligent, very high IQ, especially a

2415
02:23:52,440 --> 02:23:57,239
lot of the Tomists. But if you don't think systemically,

2416
02:23:57,600 --> 02:24:02,079
and if you don't think about problems that have, if

2417
02:24:02,079 --> 02:24:06,079
you don't think about system level problems, right, then you're

2418
02:24:06,120 --> 02:24:10,159
not going to think about well, if the papacy contradicts,

2419
02:24:10,239 --> 02:24:12,239
then that's a defeater for the papacy.

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02:24:13,479 --> 02:24:13,680
Speaker 18: Yeah.

2421
02:24:13,719 --> 02:24:15,760
Speaker 5: I think it's a general problem too. So it's not

2422
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:25,680
just thinking abstractly, but interest using introspection.

2423
02:24:26,680 --> 02:24:27,200
Speaker 36: Where we're.

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02:24:29,079 --> 02:24:31,559
Speaker 39: That's abstract to look at our system like, well, what

2425
02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:33,799
would why is this true?

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02:24:34,360 --> 02:24:35,920
Speaker 5: What would be a defeatter for it?

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02:24:36,680 --> 02:24:39,600
Speaker 39: I mean, every you know, and philosophy can help train

2428
02:24:39,680 --> 02:24:41,399
you in kind of thinking. But you know, when I

2429
02:24:41,479 --> 02:24:46,159
make an argument or a statement, I introspect it is that.

2430
02:24:46,200 --> 02:24:46,719
Speaker 4: Is that good?

2431
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:47,079
Speaker 3: Like?

2432
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:48,479
Speaker 19: Is that?

2433
02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:51,680
Speaker 5: What would be a counter example to that?

2434
02:24:54,399 --> 02:24:57,440
Speaker 39: And there's this sort of intellectual odosity that well, maybe

2435
02:24:57,440 --> 02:24:58,319
I didn't get it right.

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02:24:58,360 --> 02:25:01,520
Speaker 5: I need to think about it some more. If you're

2437
02:25:01,559 --> 02:25:05,399
in a cult, they do what they.

2438
02:25:05,319 --> 02:25:06,000
Speaker 4: Encourage you to.

2439
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:56,920
Speaker 1: Pretty good friends with him recently, so we're gonna be

2440
02:25:57,000 --> 02:26:00,000
talking to him when he gets here, having a fun

2441
02:26:00,280 --> 02:26:02,120
laid back interview, and I think it'd be fun too

2442
02:26:02,159 --> 02:26:04,639
for you guys. Also, we'll keep the stream going. You

2443
02:26:04,639 --> 02:26:07,479
guys can call in and ask your questions, not just

2444
02:26:07,600 --> 02:26:10,680
to me, but also to our special guest, who will

2445
02:26:10,719 --> 02:26:15,520
be here in a moment. H raid Uh excuse me, Rado,

2446
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:15,959
what's up?

2447
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:16,159
Speaker 3: Man?

2448
02:26:24,440 --> 02:26:25,239
Speaker 1: Rado? What's up yet?

2449
02:26:25,239 --> 02:26:25,600
Speaker 2: I mute?

2450
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:30,360
Speaker 3: Hey man, time of listener.

2451
02:26:30,520 --> 02:26:31,840
Speaker 5: How's it going you?

2452
02:26:33,079 --> 02:26:34,000
Speaker 3: I had a quick question.

2453
02:26:35,040 --> 02:26:38,559
Speaker 29: I'm well, yeah, a lot of people, I guess I.

2454
02:26:38,559 --> 02:26:41,600
Speaker 3: Have to synthesize. I guess I'm Costa Rican.

2455
02:26:41,639 --> 02:26:41,879
Speaker 2: Man.

2456
02:26:42,239 --> 02:26:44,760
Speaker 29: Costa Rica, just if you don't know, is one of

2457
02:26:44,799 --> 02:26:48,479
the last like officially quote unquote Catholic nations.

2458
02:26:48,639 --> 02:26:49,479
Speaker 1: I did not know that.

2459
02:26:49,639 --> 02:26:54,760
Speaker 29: No, Yeah, that's because ship like it doesn't really.

2460
02:26:54,559 --> 02:26:57,120
Speaker 4: Have that much of an impact problem right right today.

2461
02:26:57,520 --> 02:27:00,639
Speaker 29: But man, one of the things that has been interesting

2462
02:27:00,760 --> 02:27:03,319
is that, I think, like two years ago or a

2463
02:27:03,360 --> 02:27:05,360
year ago, it was kind of officially.

2464
02:27:05,479 --> 02:27:07,760
Speaker 3: Now not officially, I mean, out.

2465
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:10,479
Speaker 29: Of like surveys and whatnot, most of the country now

2466
02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:15,399
has become evangelical. The reason why that has happened, at

2467
02:27:15,479 --> 02:27:18,879
least for our understanding, seems to be a lot of

2468
02:27:18,920 --> 02:27:26,200
foreign influence, mostly out of like weirdly, I guess American organizations.

2469
02:27:26,280 --> 02:27:28,319
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think that's weird at all. I think

2470
02:27:28,360 --> 02:27:30,200
that makes perfect sense in terms of what we've been

2471
02:27:30,239 --> 02:27:33,719
talking about today with American and soft power using evangelicalism

2472
02:27:33,799 --> 02:27:36,280
especially totally man.

2473
02:27:36,360 --> 02:27:39,920
Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of it has to.

2474
02:27:39,840 --> 02:27:43,520
Speaker 29: Do with the rise of liberation theology in a lot

2475
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:47,200
of Catholic nations. Right, So I understand that this has

2476
02:27:47,239 --> 02:27:50,000
been kind of response against that, I guess through time,

2477
02:27:50,520 --> 02:27:53,120
But I didn't know I've heard you talk about like

2478
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:59,799
influence of the Catholic or sorry, yeah, foreign influence.

2479
02:27:59,399 --> 02:28:00,360
Speaker 3: On the Catholic Church.

2480
02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:04,559
Speaker 29: But I wonder if you have any material more on

2481
02:28:04,639 --> 02:28:08,680
this kind of like evangelical self power kind of grab

2482
02:28:09,440 --> 02:28:10,440
through America.

2483
02:28:10,680 --> 02:28:13,280
Speaker 1: Oh uh, there's a book called I Will Be Done

2484
02:28:14,559 --> 02:28:21,120
that is about the Rockefeller use of evangelicals. It's a

2485
02:28:21,239 --> 02:28:24,200
very long book, but it's it's very extensive and covering

2486
02:28:24,200 --> 02:28:28,239
that subject. The wem Off book, even though it's not

2487
02:28:28,360 --> 02:28:34,319
primarily about evangelicals, is also relevant for that. John Courtney Murray, Time,

2488
02:28:34,360 --> 02:28:39,079
Lefe Magazine, and the American Proposition by David Wimhoff also

2489
02:28:39,239 --> 02:28:44,360
lost Hedgemon by f Wayam Ingdahl. Even though that's not

2490
02:28:44,600 --> 02:28:47,159
about Latin South America. Like you'll notice, like the idea

2491
02:28:47,239 --> 02:28:50,159
is the same, right, he's talking about evangelicals. He's about

2492
02:28:50,200 --> 02:28:54,319
evangelical use, use of campus crusade and all that, and

2493
02:28:54,760 --> 02:29:00,239
in other places like Africa. The Cony twelve so that

2494
02:29:00,360 --> 02:29:05,959
was all evangelical campus crusade, Pentagon alliance stuff. But other

2495
02:29:06,040 --> 02:29:07,360
than that, I will be done. I'm not sure if

2496
02:29:07,399 --> 02:29:12,000
this specific book that deals with Latin South American evangelicalism,

2497
02:29:12,040 --> 02:29:14,639
but you know, you know what, I'm really thinking about

2498
02:29:14,760 --> 02:29:19,440
writing my next book on this topic of church soft

2499
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:21,399
power because the wind My book is great, but it

2500
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:25,200
basically just focuses on the Roman Church, and we, you know,

2501
02:29:25,280 --> 02:29:28,000
we really need to kind of think about how all

2502
02:29:28,040 --> 02:29:31,639
of these churches are used. It's not just Rome. So

2503
02:29:31,879 --> 02:29:33,280
maybe I'll write a book on that. I don't know.

2504
02:29:35,559 --> 02:29:37,280
Speaker 3: That's it, Thanks man, appreciate it.

2505
02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:40,680
Speaker 1: Yes, and I have not read the totality this book

2506
02:29:40,719 --> 02:29:44,319
because it's really long, but I have read the chapters

2507
02:29:44,360 --> 02:29:50,719
that deal with like the Rockefellers and evangelical stuff. Let

2508
02:29:50,760 --> 02:29:57,920
me pull it up here. Yeah, this is it. I

2509
02:29:58,040 --> 02:30:01,559
will be done. The Conquest of Amazon, Nelson, Rockville and

2510
02:30:01,600 --> 02:30:09,559
the Rockfeller family right here. Evangelism in the Age of

2511
02:30:09,639 --> 02:30:16,479
Oil deals with Latin South America and several chapters. But

2512
02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:22,879
all right, so I think our special guest is here,

2513
02:30:22,959 --> 02:30:26,000
So we're going to take a brief pause. Don't go anywhere.

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We're still going to We're going to be back with

2515
02:30:32,879 --> 02:30:37,319
our special guests, and I will take calls and we

2516
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will take Q and A when he gets situated up

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Speaker 1: I want to show off something that we're all proud of.

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Speaker 43: I've got a browser here. This is Jay Dyers, much vaunted,

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much sought after philosophy one oh one. Now he just

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You guys are some of the first people in the

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world to see it. I want to say, for my part,

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it's not philosophy one oh one. I think this is

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as mistitling. I really think is as like philosophy unleashed

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kind of some useless information that you can't make sense of.

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Jay actually lays out, over twelve weeks, dozens and of

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the hundreds and thousands of hours of research that it

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origins of philosophy, the uses of philosophy, the different ways

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to look at it over time, and how that has

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been brought about to what we have today, which is

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almost an absence of philosophy on the