Speaker 1: All right, folks, joining us today is Aaron Day and
Speaker 1: he knows a lot more about crypto than I do.
Speaker 1: Of course, he also focuses on gold and Silvery's trying
Speaker 1: to get outside of the system. He has a very
Speaker 1: important message about what is happening with CBDC. He believes
Speaker 1: we've already got it effectively. But he's holding classes on
Speaker 1: this and meetings. Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: You've got in a lot of different places to see.
Speaker 1: One's coming up October the fifth, but you've got them
Speaker 1: all over the place. Tell people what it's about and
Speaker 1: where they can find where these different events are, where
Speaker 1: you do a deep dive into the future of money,
Speaker 1: sovereignty and how to battle the digital central central bank,
Speaker 1: digital currencies. Tell people where they can find that information
Speaker 1: on what's coming up.
Speaker 2: All right, great, then, well thank you for having me
Speaker 2: on again. And so first I want to start by saying,
Speaker 2: so I wrote this book, the Final Countdown, and the
Speaker 2: whole purpose of this book was to explain to people
Speaker 2: the threat of cbdc's basically the imminent demise of the
Speaker 2: Fiat dollar, which I think we're seeing in real time.
Speaker 2: And then the back half of the book provides step
Speaker 2: by step instructions as to how people can do what
Speaker 2: I've done since twenty nineteen, which is I exit using
Speaker 2: a personal banking account twenty nineteen, and I've been living
Speaker 2: on gold, crypto and silver, and so this book outlines
Speaker 2: how to do this. What I found was people read
Speaker 2: the book and said, wow, okay, now I understand what
Speaker 2: the threat is, but I just couldn't take that first
Speaker 2: step to actually either getting a crypto wallet or even
Speaker 2: even buying gold to take into physical custody. So I
Speaker 2: designed these four hour workshops, which we're now doing all
Speaker 2: over the country to basically go through the book, but
Speaker 2: then to actually empower people. So people that come out
Speaker 2: of the workshop will have a crypto wallet, will have crypto,
Speaker 2: will have a gold back, and we'll go and we'll
Speaker 2: hear my full explanation of how I live on these
Speaker 2: things on a day to day basis, how I pay bills,
Speaker 2: how I do all of it. Because this is really
Speaker 2: the step to the only thing we can do to
Speaker 2: stop the central bank digital currency tyranny is to stop
Speaker 2: using the dollar. We're not going to vote our way
Speaker 2: out of this, which we could talk about in great detail.
Speaker 2: So on my website Daylightfreedom dot org. There is a
Speaker 2: tab called Empower, and Empower lists all of the places
Speaker 2: that we are looking to host workshops. We have three
Speaker 2: that are scheduled already that we're selling tickets for for
Speaker 2: the rest of this year. Our next event is in
Speaker 2: New Jersey on October the fifth, Then we have one
Speaker 2: in Omaha on Saturday November ninth, and then we will
Speaker 2: be in Nashville on Saturday, December the fourteenth, and we're
Speaker 2: going to continue So we're going to continue to need
Speaker 2: I will be doing probably one of these a month
Speaker 2: throughout all of next year. But those are our next
Speaker 2: next big events and so they've been really successful so
Speaker 2: far because it really has been helpful. But in addition
Speaker 2: to that, on my website, there's an informed tab and
Speaker 2: a link to alternative assets. And this is an important
Speaker 2: section because this lists all of the things that I'm
Speaker 2: currently using on a day to day basis and living
Speaker 2: outside of the banking system, and this list changes, so.
Speaker 3: I have to be very clear about that.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you bought my book a year ago,
Speaker 2: it's out of date, and so I have to keep
Speaker 2: everybody a prize as to what's going on because of
Speaker 2: all the regulatory issues.
Speaker 3: And changes and technology and everything else.
Speaker 2: So I keep that open and publicly available so that
Speaker 2: everybody can see the latest and greatest.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. You are essentially a financial prepper and you're
Speaker 1: living the life off grid prepper, but financially speaking, that
Speaker 1: is excellent. The final countdown to show you how to
Speaker 1: get out of the system, how to live without a
Speaker 1: bank account and a private having all your transaction private.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. And those workshops, I see you got one
Speaker 1: coming up in Nashville to get somebody from my family
Speaker 1: go over there and take that class. That's great information
Speaker 1: because that's the key thing everybody understands. What is how
Speaker 1: the tyranny is rolling out of Washington and the Fiat
Speaker 1: currency allows them to bribe and blackmail everybody at every level,
Speaker 1: whether it is state government or local government, or whether
Speaker 1: it's hospitals or whatever. They're always bribing and blackmailing people
Speaker 1: with their cash, and that is the heart of the
Speaker 1: tyranny that is there, and it's also going to affect
Speaker 1: us materially if we are not outside of that system.
Speaker 1: That's very important. But you also say that we already
Speaker 1: are in CBBC tell us a little bit about that
Speaker 1: your position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when I start, so when I started this entirey,
Speaker 2: you know, I exit political activism in twenty eighteen, stopped
Speaker 2: using the dollar, and then COVID hit, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I saw friends of mine be targeted
Speaker 2: by the federal government that were involved in crypto. So
Speaker 2: Ian Freeman, who along with Roger Bear, introduced me to bitcoin.
Speaker 2: In twenty twelve, Ian was arrested for selling bitcoin without
Speaker 2: a license. Yes, and I went to his sentencing hearing
Speaker 2: and he's now in federal prison.
Speaker 3: For eight years.
Speaker 2: Roger is now in say he was arrested and thrown
Speaker 2: into the same prison as John McAfee or these trumped up,
Speaker 2: made up like tax issues from over a decade ago.
Speaker 2: He actually left the United States. Roger did renounced as
Speaker 2: the United States citizenship in twenty fourteen, and they are
Speaker 2: going after him for this kind of made up stuff.
Speaker 2: But it happened to be three weeks after he published
Speaker 2: this book Hijacking Bitcoin, where he explains an excruciating detail
Speaker 2: how bitcoin was hijacked by by people that were not
Speaker 2: interested in having a Bitcoin as an alternative to cbdc's. Basically,
Speaker 2: they destroyed the use case of bitcoin, which was supposed
Speaker 2: to be Bitcoin was supposed to be digital cash. Now
Speaker 2: it's this store of value that you're never supposed to
Speaker 2: spend and you're supposed to buy through black Rock, and
Speaker 2: there are multiple intermediaries, and that is the exact opposite.
Speaker 2: So Roger who was probably the most influential person in
Speaker 2: spreading bitcoin from twenty ten to twenty fifteen, he actually
Speaker 2: earned the nickname Bitcoin Jesus. So he was the first
Speaker 2: person to accept bitcoin as a retailer. He was the
Speaker 2: first investor in bitcoin companies. You know, he probably gave
Speaker 2: away tens of thousands of bitcoin, and he was there
Speaker 2: when this hijacking took place, and he wrote about it,
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden his speeches is suppressed,
Speaker 2: and so I.
Speaker 1: Essentially went from bitcoin as a currency to bitcoin as
Speaker 1: n FT, right, I mean, you know, it's just that's
Speaker 1: collectible thing. And that's why you see all these things
Speaker 1: about well this guy got a pizza with a couple
Speaker 1: of bitcoin or whatever, he paid this much for the
Speaker 1: pizza and so forth. Because initially that was the purpose
Speaker 1: was to be currency that people could use outside of
Speaker 1: the system. As you point out, it got hijacked. It
Speaker 1: now became this you know, store value that's going to
Speaker 1: be speculated on it, and all of the big investment
Speaker 1: companies pouring into this, and the fact that they've now
Speaker 1: added ETFs on bitcoin other things like that. They have
Speaker 1: completely jumped onto this thing and turned it in to
Speaker 1: a speculative collective, haven't.
Speaker 3: They They have.
Speaker 2: And one other component to this is that bitcoin is
Speaker 2: completely trackable. It's on an open public ledger, and so
Speaker 2: a lot of people, I think early on thought it
Speaker 2: was anonymous, and it turns out that it's not anonymous,
Speaker 2: and so now the government, the CIA and others using
Speaker 2: chain analysis can actually track the blockchain and follow and
Speaker 2: figure out who is buying and selling what. And the
Speaker 2: problem with this is that means that they can flag
Speaker 2: one bitcoin as saying, well, this particular bitcoin can't be
Speaker 2: used it's on a blacklist, while whereas this one can
Speaker 2: be used, which means that it's no longer fungible because
Speaker 2: one bitcoin is actually not the same as another bitcoin.
Speaker 2: They're actually so it loses its fundamental property, which is
Speaker 2: why one of the things that's happened in the last
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty days or so since I was
Speaker 2: on as I've actually moved completely into privacy coins. In fact,
Speaker 2: i've put that first at privacy first on me on
Speaker 2: the list of criter like and sorry, Xono, z A
Speaker 2: n O and Minaro are the two predominant ones that
Speaker 2: I use. Xano is interesting because Xeno is actually built
Speaker 2: on some of the same technology. The developers behind it
Speaker 2: were actually behind the technology that Minero was built on.
Speaker 2: So these are people that have been in cryptography and
Speaker 2: cryptocurrency for for over a decade. But what Xeno allows
Speaker 2: you to do is also create privacy tokens. So I
Speaker 2: guess the simplest way for me to say this is,
Speaker 2: you know, crypto and even cbdc's is tokenized money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but money only.
Speaker 2: Represents five percent of global assets. Everything else homes real estate, stocks, bonds,
Speaker 2: those are assets that will also be tokenized, and so
Speaker 2: Xeno essentially allows you to tokenize these assets in a
Speaker 2: way that is private and confidential. Because one of the
Speaker 2: other things I've learned since I was on your show
Speaker 2: last is I've really done a deep dive into this
Speaker 2: great taking and what I found, And I don't know
Speaker 2: if if you followed that much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm aware of the documentary. I haven't watched the
Speaker 1: documentary yet, but I'm aware of it. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So the gist of the Great Taking is we don't
Speaker 2: own our stocks and bonds in four or one case,
Speaker 2: and there have been a whole bunch of changes to
Speaker 2: UCC codes at the state level that basically, when there's
Speaker 2: the next financial collapse and there's a bankruptcy, our stocks
Speaker 2: and bonds before one case will end up being owned
Speaker 2: by the largest banks. And it turns out that the
Speaker 2: CBDC pilots that they've been working on in the United
Speaker 2: States are also being developed along something alongside something called
Speaker 2: a regulated liability network. And the idea behind regulated liability
Speaker 2: network is they want to take our non monetary assets.
Speaker 2: So they want to take our stocks and bonds and
Speaker 2: other assets and apply the same technology that they're applying
Speaker 2: to CBDCs, so that now all of our assets, not
Speaker 2: just money, can be programmed, tracked, and censored. And so
Speaker 2: when this financial collapse happens, they'll be able to basically
Speaker 2: try brands for our non monetary assets with the click
Speaker 2: of the button. And so that's kind of a horrifying prospect,
Speaker 2: but it's one of the things that I've been studying
Speaker 2: in terms of what the US has been working on.
Speaker 2: And this Regulated Liability Network project is a project between
Speaker 2: the New York for a Reserve mit, five of the
Speaker 2: largest New York financial institutions, the Bank for International Settlements,
Speaker 2: basically all of the players that you would not want
Speaker 2: designing a token system for your for digitizing all of
Speaker 2: your non monetary assets.
Speaker 3: So this is pretty frightening. So I say Zeno.
Speaker 2: Because it is in and of itself, it's a cryptocurrency
Speaker 2: that you can use. It's a privacy currency, but it
Speaker 2: also allows you to tokenize other assets and make those
Speaker 2: assets private and confidential. And by the way, it may
Speaker 2: even be able to be used to make Bitcoin and
Speaker 2: Ethereum and some of the blockchains that are transparent private.
Speaker 2: So those are the two that I've actually spent a
Speaker 2: significant a mount of times. This has been a big
Speaker 2: shift for me. And one thing that I found is
Speaker 2: it's very important to educate people on the need for
Speaker 2: privacy because I.
Speaker 3: Don't know what's happened.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess this is the indoctrination in the
Speaker 2: education system that you were talking about before before I
Speaker 2: came on. But young people do not value privacy. They
Speaker 2: don't even know or think to value privacy.
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to I think they kind
Speaker 1: of programmed them a little bit with a big brother
Speaker 1: type of TV shows and everythink the reality TV shows
Speaker 1: a little bit before they started social media and the
Speaker 1: internet caught on with the social media, I think they
Speaker 1: kind of modeled for them that, you know, here's people
Speaker 1: that they don't really do anything or have any particular skills,
Speaker 1: but you too can be a celebrity if people see
Speaker 1: everything that you're doing in your life, and it's like
Speaker 1: they want to be celebrities. They want to have a
Speaker 1: lot of followers, so they're constantly pushing content out about
Speaker 1: their life. They don't want privacy and they've been trained
Speaker 1: not to look at it. Before we move away from
Speaker 1: Monaro and Xeno, which I've not heard of before, and
Speaker 1: I talked to people who are doing pirate coin as well.
Speaker 1: What is your take on pirate coin? Have you ever
Speaker 1: looked at that? What's going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, tirate coin is on the list.
Speaker 2: I haven't used pirate coin, but it's on my list
Speaker 2: to review and it certainly seems to fit all the criteria.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I want to say this, I'm constantly
Speaker 2: evaluating new things, so I think pirate coin will probably
Speaker 2: be added to my list as well. And there are
Speaker 2: two types of privacy coins. There are coins that are
Speaker 2: privacy by default, which means, as the user, you don't
Speaker 2: have to do any saying, you don't have to take
Speaker 2: any extra steps to make them private. And then there
Speaker 2: are coins where you can take extra steps and add
Speaker 2: privacy to them, so Bitcoin, cash, light coin, z cash.
Speaker 2: These are I guess I'll call it privacy optional. And
Speaker 2: so my sole focus is on that universe as a
Speaker 2: potential solution because you know, again I interviewed Roger about
Speaker 2: his book Hijacking Bitcoin. Three weeks later he was he
Speaker 2: was thrown in prison the same prison John McAfee died,
Speaker 2: and my.
Speaker 3: Friend Ian Freeman others are being arrested.
Speaker 2: So this is not and these are non violent people
Speaker 2: who have not committed crime, to be clear, these are
Speaker 2: people that are actually these are these are pro liberty
Speaker 2: people that have been promoting freedom and non violence. And
Speaker 2: these are the people that were throwing in prison. And
Speaker 2: this is happening over and over again. With what happened
Speaker 2: with the guy with Telegram, what's happening with these coin
Speaker 2: mixing services. So this is really accelerating. And so what
Speaker 2: people have to understand is the why behind this, which
Speaker 2: is the government doesn't want alternatives to what I'm going
Speaker 2: to say is already a CBDC system, but that has
Speaker 2: graduated tier levels of tyranny. And you know, they're the
Speaker 2: ultimate form of CBDC is a global digital currency backed
Speaker 2: by energy credits that is completely programmable, tied to a
Speaker 2: social credit score, where where it's a cash list system
Speaker 2: and all cryptocurrencies have been banned. That's the highest level.
Speaker 2: And I've actually created this little CBDC tyranny and that's
Speaker 2: where they're moving to. But we already have a system today.
Speaker 2: Our dollar today is already digital, it's already programmable, it's
Speaker 2: already survailable in a way that people have no idea
Speaker 2: how bad this is. I mean, people are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I see these politicians, whether it's Ted Cruz or Elizabeth
Speaker 2: Warren talk about, well, we have to make sure we
Speaker 2: don't have financial surveillance. And meanwhile, between the Patriot Act,
Speaker 2: the Bank Secrecy Reporting Act, national security letters where they
Speaker 2: can actually shut off your bank account and you can't
Speaker 2: talk to anybody about it, including a lawyer. Now we
Speaker 2: have the IRS working with banks to monitor our financial
Speaker 2: transactions using AI, and on and on and on.
Speaker 3: Civil asset forfeiture.
Speaker 2: So they're already about and I outline in my latest
Speaker 2: article Zero Hedge article, I think thirteen different ways our
Speaker 2: digital money is already being surveilled today. So it's actually
Speaker 2: already as bad as people are worried that it will.
Speaker 3: Become in the future. And that's today. Our money is
Speaker 3: already programmable when you.
Speaker 1: Talk about the IRS. When we talk about the IRS,
Speaker 1: you know it's not just the eighty thousand agents that
Speaker 1: they want to add, but it's also the artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1: And yet we have the politicians who are out there saying, well,
Speaker 1: we're going to take taxes off of tips you want
Speaker 1: to vote for me? Now you know that completely. People
Speaker 1: are completely clueless about how this is being weaponized against us,
Speaker 1: and of course both parties are fully on board with it.
Speaker 3: Both parties are on board.
Speaker 2: So when you see a politician say, well, we're worried
Speaker 2: about financial surveillance, and are you worried about the fact
Speaker 2: that the AI that the IRS is already using AI
Speaker 2: to track all of our transactions? Are you worried about
Speaker 2: the fact that the Bank Secrecy Reporting Act already reports
Speaker 2: on I don't think it's.
Speaker 3: Five or ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: If you do anything above that amount, it's automatically reported
Speaker 2: with the government. I don't see anybody talking about unwinding
Speaker 2: the tyranny that we already have. And numerous categories of
Speaker 2: businesses have already lost access to banking services. I just
Speaker 2: shared a post a tweet yesterday about somebody who was
Speaker 2: denied the ability to make a purchase at a gun
Speaker 2: store with their credit card. And there was something called
Speaker 2: Operation Choke point one point zero where many many categories
Speaker 2: of businesses have been denied service. And we've seen this
Speaker 2: in the health freedom space, We've seen it in the
Speaker 2: food freedom space, and on and on. And what this
Speaker 2: should tell everybody is that the money is already programmable.
Speaker 2: And when I say programmable, if you've ever had a
Speaker 2: health savings account or a flexible spending account. Give an example,
Speaker 2: optim Bank is the largest provider of health savings accounts
Speaker 2: and health savings account an optim bank it is a bank,
Speaker 2: it is a financial institution, and you're given a card
Speaker 2: and you can only buy reapproved medical items at certain
Speaker 2: times and at certain locations, within certain limits subject to
Speaker 2: auditing and reporting. That is programmable digital money using the
Speaker 2: existing system. There's no big upgrade that has to happen
Speaker 2: for the tyranny that everybody is worried about to kick in. Essentially,
Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve runs on an Oracle database. So money
Speaker 2: is created when the federal government issues and iowe you
Speaker 2: to the Federal Reserve. Metal Reserve then creates that money
Speaker 2: out of thin air as an entry in an Oracle database.
Speaker 2: That is basically the genesis of money. And then the
Speaker 2: federal government writes checks, pays bills, pays contractors, does whatever
Speaker 2: they do. They write checks, and then you deposit those
Speaker 2: checks into a commercial bank, and the commercial bank creates
Speaker 2: a database entry out of thin air in an Oracle
Speaker 2: and Microsoft or Microsoft database back by the Oracle database
Speaker 2: entries created by the Federal Reserve. This is the existing system.
Speaker 2: So the existing system is digital. Ninety two percent of
Speaker 2: our money is digital, and it's using these centralized databases.
Speaker 2: And so I think people are not largely aware of that.
Speaker 2: And certainly Oracle and Microsoft databases are highly programmable.
Speaker 1: And of course a big part of the surveillance right
Speaker 1: now in the current system is the on ramps and
Speaker 1: the off ramps of what is happening there. Certainly we
Speaker 1: take the money out, but even the know your Customer rules,
Speaker 1: they've really ramped this up for the sites that are
Speaker 1: going that you're gonna deal with in terms of cryptocurrency.
Speaker 1: And this is the real issue when I talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, the financial system, and you're talking about the
Speaker 1: fact that we're looking at the end of the reserve,
Speaker 1: the dollar reserve, the petro dollar is now totally dead
Speaker 1: because Saudi Arabia was a lynchpin of that, and they're
Speaker 1: now taking payments and other currencies and they're stashing up
Speaker 1: on gold. Where does gold fit in on all of this?
Speaker 1: When you focused on monaro and on Zeno and privacy
Speaker 1: coins and things like that, what about gold? Are you
Speaker 1: using gold and silver on a daily basis?
Speaker 2: I use gold and silver on a daily basis, more gold,
Speaker 2: I always, I always tip in gold backs. And I
Speaker 2: live in New Hampshire, and so New Hampshire is one
Speaker 2: of six states that goldback has actually actually has physical
Speaker 2: physical locations where there are merchants actually actively accepting me.
Speaker 2: So there are one hundred and fifty stores in New
Speaker 2: Hampshire two thousand nationwide that already take this directly as currency,
Speaker 2: and that initiative is expanding. And then I have an
Speaker 2: account through Alpine where I can buy gold and silver
Speaker 2: online and transfer amongst gold, silver and gold backs, and
Speaker 2: then I can even transfer gold and silver to a
Speaker 2: Visa debit card, so I don't ever have to store
Speaker 2: any value in fiat currency. Now there is some centralization
Speaker 2: to that. So one of the things that I'm working on,
Speaker 2: and this is what I think is kind of the
Speaker 2: holy grail on this is imagine you take Xeno, you
Speaker 2: take the privacy features of Manaro, which is essentially what
Speaker 2: Xeno offers, and now you start tokenizing gold and silver.
Speaker 2: So now people can have a currency that's backed by gold,
Speaker 2: silver and gold backs, but that can be traded with
Speaker 2: all of the convenience aspects of a private cryptocurrency. So
Speaker 2: to me, where we're headed towards is a multi asset approach,
Speaker 2: and I think that there's a way to combine privacy, tokenization,
Speaker 2: and precious metals. And in fact, I'm talking to numerous people
Speaker 2: who have vaults and who are interested in this idea
Speaker 2: as well, where you can really increase the velocity of
Speaker 2: the spending of precious metals through tokenization, and then you know,
Speaker 2: if people have to withdraw the physical metal, then there's
Speaker 2: probably kyc AML at that point. But then there's an
Speaker 2: ability to when you're not actually directly pulling out the
Speaker 2: physical metals, to use these privacy tokens for day to
Speaker 2: day transactions. So today for me, it's a balance of
Speaker 2: privacy tokens and gold backs and gold and then I'm
Speaker 2: really excited about creating user friendly tools wallets for the
Speaker 2: consumer that have all of these assets, and a point
Speaker 2: of sale system for merchants where the merchant can very
Speaker 2: easily accept multiple forms of privacy crypto and gold and
Speaker 2: silver and then can convert whatever they're accepting to the
Speaker 2: reference currency of their choice. So it makes it easier
Speaker 2: for them to pay, to pay bills and have stability
Speaker 2: with store value.
Speaker 3: So that's the direction this is all headed in.
Speaker 1: That is so important what you're doing again. The website
Speaker 1: is Daylightfreedom dot org and you can click on the
Speaker 1: button there to find out how to empower yourself to
Speaker 1: start getting out of this system. And that's you've done
Speaker 1: a great deal of work on this as excellent research.
Speaker 1: The agent. Let me ask you, what do you think
Speaker 1: now there's something that's going on. I don't know all
Speaker 1: the details about it. Montana is doing something I think
Speaker 1: with a goalback digital currency or something. Is that correct
Speaker 1: or am I wrong about that? And what do you
Speaker 1: think about that if you know about it.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard about that, But I haven't heard about
Speaker 2: I'm involved with the Citizens for Sound Money. I know
Speaker 2: there's a big effort to get states to make gold
Speaker 2: and silver legal tender, and there are a number that
Speaker 2: already have, including Utah, which was the first in twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: and I know many other states are coming online. But
Speaker 2: I have not heard about a Montana. I'll have to
Speaker 2: look into that. Actually, yeah, yeah, there was Actually that
Speaker 2: one's new. We just had New Jersey become the forty
Speaker 2: fifth state to not have sales tax on gold and silver,
Speaker 2: So even New Jersey surprised. Of course, it's the ones
Speaker 2: that are still doing and are pretty much the usual
Speaker 2: suspects that you would expect, like Hawaii and things like that.
Speaker 2: But Kentucky was in the mix and that that really
Speaker 2: kind of surprised me. But other than that, the other
Speaker 2: four were pretty pretty much what you would think. But
Speaker 2: it's starting to catch on. There's a lot of people
Speaker 2: I know here in Tennessee who had centated nicely, is
Speaker 2: very concerned about what was going to happen with a
Speaker 2: financial collapse with mismanagement by the Federal Reserve, but also
Speaker 2: focused on financial transactional privacy and that's the thing that
Speaker 2: really and so he was trying to set up something
Speaker 2: that would help local banks. You know, they have what
Speaker 2: they called a state bank in North Dakota, I think
Speaker 2: it is, and that has served them well through the
Speaker 2: depression and other things like that. But the banking industry
Speaker 2: really pushes back pretty hard if you start trying to
Speaker 2: do that, and a lot of the banks, small and
Speaker 2: medium sized banks don't really understand that they're on they're
Speaker 2: about to be cut off, and so he was trying
Speaker 2: to show them how this is going to help them,
Speaker 2: but they came after him when he started doing that.
Speaker 2: But he's still come through with a lot of solutions
Speaker 2: and there's other states that are working on that as well.
Speaker 2: And so I think it's very important for us to
Speaker 2: understand that it's not just the instability of the Federal Reserve,
Speaker 2: it's not just their bad policy that is going to
Speaker 2: have economic consequences for so that we want to escape
Speaker 2: by being in gold and silver. But it's also this
Speaker 2: privacy aspect that you've really focused on, which is so important,
Speaker 2: and how to actually get out of the system. You know,
Speaker 2: right now a lot of people are just in the
Speaker 2: in the mode as we are here, just trying to
Speaker 2: collect things that are outside the system like gold and silver,
Speaker 2: but not really sure how to use it on an
Speaker 2: ongoing basis and how do we connect with other people
Speaker 2: and make this practical.
Speaker 1: That's what you're showing on your website. That's very important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, and it really does come down to easy
Speaker 2: to use tools for consumers and merchants, and so there's
Speaker 2: a path to doing this and so that there just
Speaker 2: needs to be an emphasis and a focus on it.
Speaker 2: And so I know it can happen because again I've
Speaker 2: been living on these things for five years. But the
Speaker 2: tools need to be made easier to use. But there
Speaker 2: is certainly a huge demand. I mean, right now, the
Speaker 2: focus isn't on mass adoption, it's actually getting those innovators.
Speaker 2: All technology and ideas go through kind of an adoption curve.
Speaker 2: You have the innovators, which are two and a half percent,
Speaker 2: and then you have early adopters which are roughly thirteen percent,
Speaker 2: and then you have early majority weight majority, and then laguards.
Speaker 2: And so the point is to focus on the innovator
Speaker 2: so that you know you're not at too many levels
Speaker 2: removed from people's understanding of these systems. So the people
Speaker 2: that are in the Second Amendment space, if gun store
Speaker 2: owners are already intimately aware of problems with payment processing,
Speaker 2: as are people in food freedom and health freedom and
Speaker 2: these other sectors, and so the idea is to put
Speaker 2: together tools to make it easy for these merchants, and
Speaker 2: then to combine these merchants and make it easy for
Speaker 2: people to realize, oh, hey, there are places I can
Speaker 2: actually go to use these alternative currencies. And so as
Speaker 2: we're re'refining the technology and building out the merchant network,
Speaker 2: then we can go to the next layer, to the
Speaker 2: early adopters and start expanding it out. So it really
Speaker 2: requires just focus on making sure that we're not trying
Speaker 2: to go mainstream too early, because you know, the technology
Speaker 2: needs needs to evolve or usability and simplicity.
Speaker 1: I guess my big concern when I look at crypto security,
Speaker 1: because I've covered the stories, I forget it was a
Speaker 1: guy who is a billionaire, and because as you pointed out,
Speaker 1: the blockchain is somewhat public, he had some guy contact
Speaker 1: him and say, I saw this large transaction and he
Speaker 1: tracted me to find out that it was a wallet
Speaker 1: that belonged to this guy. And he sends him a
Speaker 1: message and says, I say that you just took out
Speaker 1: nearly a million dollars. It's like nine hundred and some
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. He said, no, I didn't do that. He
Speaker 1: didn't realize that he just had about a million dollars
Speaker 1: stolen from him. And so that that's the key. You know,
Speaker 1: when we look at this, and I assume that you
Speaker 1: address this in your empower stuff. The security issues of
Speaker 1: having these wallets. That's one of the things that concerns
Speaker 1: me about it. When you have when you go digital,
Speaker 1: there is the capability of being exposed to every criminal
Speaker 1: all over the earth. You know, if they know what
Speaker 1: they're doing and you don't know what you're doing. Talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about that. The security issues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is absolutely critical. Well, so there are two components.
Speaker 2: One to what you just said is this is why
Speaker 2: he use privacy tokens, so that in privacy coins, so
Speaker 2: that your identity and financial transactions can't be identified. Because
Speaker 2: this has been a problem right people people can not
Speaker 2: just the government, but bad actors can trace who's using bitcoin,
Speaker 2: who's using ethereum, and then they can use that and
Speaker 2: you know try to you know, rob you or kidnap
Speaker 2: you and and literally physically steal your coins. That is
Speaker 2: an actual issue. So the so the first thing to
Speaker 2: do is to use privy coins. But then within that
Speaker 2: there's the issue of how do you keep your privacy
Speaker 2: coins safe? Because the issue with this is, I mean
Speaker 2: there's a saying not your keys, not your coins. You know,
Speaker 2: you have your private keys to your crypto, but there's
Speaker 2: no customer service. If you lose these, if you're hacked
Speaker 2: or you or you misplace your keys, then that money's gone.
Speaker 2: There's no there's no one eight hundred number to call.
Speaker 2: And so generally, so generally what you want to do
Speaker 2: is you want to keep most of your crypto in
Speaker 2: what's called cold storage, where it's not actually on a
Speaker 2: device that's connected to the Internet in any way, shape
Speaker 2: or form, or on a mobile device, so you can
Speaker 2: use part there are things called hardware wallets that you
Speaker 2: can buy that can accomplish this. You can also use
Speaker 2: something called a paper wallet, which is a paper wallt
Speaker 2: is where you basically have an address that has a
Speaker 2: private key, but that wallet has never actually touched the internet.
Speaker 2: So you move your coins to this and it's never
Speaker 2: touched the internet before, and then when you need to
Speaker 2: use the coins, you restore that wallet to a hot
Speaker 2: wallet that's connected to the internet and then you spend it.
Speaker 2: So that's another mechanism, And there's a whole wide range
Speaker 2: of things including you know, you can take old cell
Speaker 2: phones and completely wipe them and just put your crypto
Speaker 2: wallet on that and then not have it touch the internet,
Speaker 2: keep it off until such time as you need to
Speaker 2: use it, and so there's a whole variety of different
Speaker 2: mechanisms that you can use. And then on an ongoing basis.
Speaker 2: I mean, right now, I'm using a wallet called cake
Speaker 2: wallet because I've focused on privacy coins and there aren't
Speaker 2: many wallets that have that focus. Cake wallet was specifically
Speaker 2: built originally form and narrow. They've added other coins and
Speaker 2: they are soon to add Zano as well. And what
Speaker 2: I like about it is that it's an open source
Speaker 2: wallet that has had an emphasis on privacy, but it's
Speaker 2: also user friendly, there are features in there.
Speaker 3: So when I live on crypto now, fortunately I.
Speaker 2: Live in New Hampshire and there are a lot of
Speaker 2: merchants that I can go to as part of the
Speaker 2: Free State Project, can actually buy things directly with Crypto.
Speaker 2: This isn't the case in most of the country, but
Speaker 2: so often what you end up having to do is
Speaker 2: to buy debit cards or gift cards. So you know,
Speaker 2: I bought my kids back to school clothes, or I
Speaker 2: took my kids to see a movie. I bought a
Speaker 2: AMC gift card using Monaro and then went over to
Speaker 2: the movie theater, So that's often. You know, there's kind
Speaker 2: of a continue Just as there's a continuum on the
Speaker 2: Tyranny Index, there's a continuum on the Freedom index as well.
Speaker 2: The ultimate scenario is one where we're all using privacy
Speaker 2: coins peer to peer with no intermediaries, and that's where
Speaker 2: you want to ultimately get but we're not going to
Speaker 2: get there today, so for right now, you might have
Speaker 2: to actually buy gift cards, buy debit cards. But I
Speaker 2: like cake wallet because it's the easiest that has a
Speaker 2: bunch of built in functionality, open source, and has a
Speaker 2: focus on privacy coins. But I still only leave in
Speaker 2: a live wallet a month's worth of kind of operating
Speaker 2: fund funds because you just assume that something could still
Speaker 2: go wrong for whatever reason, because certainly there are hacks
Speaker 2: going on every day. But once you really look at
Speaker 2: and understand and consider that the filter reserve runs on
Speaker 2: an Oracle database, and your local bank runs on a
Speaker 2: Microsoft database. And I think it was in twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: there was something like one point five trillion dollars of
Speaker 2: economic losses due to database integrity issues and hacks and
Speaker 2: everything else, and that number is on the way, on the.
Speaker 3: Way to ten trillion.
Speaker 2: We just had the Social Security database breach or whatever
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, and I think most of
Speaker 2: this year, most of the major services, including Microsoft and others,
Speaker 2: have had data breaches, and so the existing system is unsafe.
Speaker 2: These cryptos at least offer an increase in a security
Speaker 2: model to what the what global commerce runs on, Which
Speaker 2: are these centralized databases that can.
Speaker 3: Be packed and manipulated and changed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, trillions dollars of leakage coming out of these things. Again,
Speaker 1: Oracle and Microsoft that where they've got their databases. Now,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit more about what you kind
Speaker 1: of touched on there in terms of the details of
Speaker 1: at work. You talked about how you transfer some of
Speaker 1: the stuff into a into a debit card that you
Speaker 1: can use, you know, to go buy stuff at retail
Speaker 1: people who are not participating in that. So tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about how that works. I mean, is
Speaker 1: that something that is available people outside of New Hampshire.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, how do you convert that monaro
Speaker 1: to a debit card that you can take to the
Speaker 1: movie theater.
Speaker 2: That's a little bit of everyone. So it's actually built
Speaker 2: into the Cake wallet. It's something called cake Pay. And
Speaker 2: so right from within the wallet you will see there
Speaker 2: are hundreds and hundreds of participating merchants. I mean anywhere
Speaker 2: from Delta Airlines to AMC and so this isn't anything
Speaker 2: exclusive to New Hampshire. I basically most companies have their
Speaker 2: own gift card program. So I mean I use this too.
Speaker 2: I got my kids some clothes at Old Navy.
Speaker 3: The list of merchants is quite impressive.
Speaker 2: I mean I think I even saw I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was on there, but somewhere, you know, you
Speaker 2: could get a you could buy a vacation to Sandals
Speaker 2: using gift cards, so I believe you could use me
Speaker 2: narrow to buy a Sandals gift card.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: I'm about to go to Argentina to a crypto conference
Speaker 2: next month, a bitcoin cash conference, and I mean, this
Speaker 2: is all going to be don I'm going to buy
Speaker 2: my plane tickets to Argentina using gift cards. So anybody
Speaker 2: can do this. You don't have to be a New
Speaker 2: Hampshire and it's not even limited to the United States either,
Speaker 2: So it's it's a pretty convenient solution. And again this
Speaker 2: isn't this isn't the peer to peer direct experience that
Speaker 2: we want, but it is still it's a workaround and
Speaker 2: something that.
Speaker 3: Works pretty successful.
Speaker 2: And in fact, you don't have to buy you know,
Speaker 2: when you go to like if you go to Walmart
Speaker 2: or Target, you'll see they have the gift card aisle, right,
Speaker 2: and you can buy gift cards with cash, but they're
Speaker 2: in denominations by ten, twenty, five, fifty. But typically with
Speaker 2: these gift cards through cake pay, you can actually specify
Speaker 2: the exact dollar amount. So I think I got a
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty eight dollars, you know, old baby
Speaker 2: gift gift certificate or something, so.
Speaker 3: That a gift.
Speaker 1: Is it a gift certificate that you have a digital
Speaker 1: format on your phone that they can scan or something,
Speaker 1: or is it a physical card?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, it's a it's a digital gift certificate. There
Speaker 2: is an ability to So there are layers of this
Speaker 2: and I go through this in my workshops as well.
Speaker 2: So Cake so the kind of the Cake Walt and
Speaker 2: Cake pay is the front line of doing retail transactions.
Speaker 2: Then I use other services for different.
Speaker 3: Debit cards.
Speaker 2: So there's a debit card that you can buy just
Speaker 2: a flat you can buy a Visa debit card or
Speaker 2: a MasterCard debit card right from within this Cake wallet.
Speaker 2: But those cards are digital only, and they're usually only
Speaker 2: accepted at merchants that are digital only. So I have
Speaker 2: separate debit cards that are actual physical I have a
Speaker 2: Crypto dot Com debit card that's a physical debit card.
Speaker 2: That's the same thing I still, you know, I transfer
Speaker 2: Crypto through the card and it's a physical card. And
Speaker 2: now that can be used anywhere visas accepted. So I
Speaker 2: have a so there's a long rate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So can that physical card then be re upped digitally?
Speaker 1: Is that the way that works, the do.
Speaker 2: That or yeah, and it usually only takes it usually
Speaker 2: only takes you know, maybe thirty minutes or so for
Speaker 2: the process of uploading it and having all be verified.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's so, and I've had other cards now
Speaker 2: just as part of the I mean, I want to
Speaker 2: call it gamification of my life living on crypto, because
Speaker 2: as things have changed, I used to use something called
Speaker 2: a vippay card years for three or four years, I
Speaker 2: use BitPay, and then all of a sudden they severed
Speaker 2: their relationship with their financial partner on that and so
Speaker 2: I received seven days notice that you know, in seven days,
Speaker 2: I can no longer use that card. So now I
Speaker 2: actually have a number of debit cards, most of which
Speaker 2: I don't use, but I keep in reserve in case
Speaker 2: something happens to crypto dot com or something happens over here.
Speaker 2: I'm not in a situation where I don't have any
Speaker 2: ability to.
Speaker 3: Pay bills.
Speaker 2: And then behind the scenes, and obviously I'm focused on
Speaker 2: trying to work with merchants that take Crypto directly, so
Speaker 2: that would be my preferred model, and all of the
Speaker 2: rest of this is just you know, kind of kind
Speaker 2: of an interim solution in ways of working around the
Speaker 2: system as it is, but it's not that hard.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: The kickwallet solution, and this is something I've actually just
Speaker 2: started using in the last couple of months, is the easiest.
Speaker 2: It's the easiest to onboard someone because within one wallet
Speaker 2: you can have multiple coins, including privsy coins. You can
Speaker 2: buy crypto within the wallet, you can buy gift cards
Speaker 2: and debit cards within the wallet, And so that's the
Speaker 2: most attractive thing because when I'm doing these workshops and
Speaker 2: a lot of times I'm onboarding people that have had
Speaker 2: no experience with crypto at all. So if I'm giving
Speaker 2: them twenty different tools, it's going to get a bit
Speaker 2: lost on them.
Speaker 1: Right, Right, So it's the cake quallet is a piece
Speaker 1: of cake to use.
Speaker 3: Right, It is a piece of cake to use.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Daylight Freedom dot Org there's an informed tab
Speaker 2: and under that there's alternative assets and this lists all
Speaker 2: of the things that I'm currently using today, including goldbacks
Speaker 2: and my UPMA account, which is the account that I
Speaker 2: have where I can fund and buy gold and silver
Speaker 2: and transfer gold and silver. Also to a Visa debit card,
Speaker 2: which is a physical debit card that works wherever. Visa
Speaker 2: is accepted. And I also have something on there called
Speaker 2: Sprits Finance, which I want to talk about as well,
Speaker 2: because one of the big pushback when I say I
Speaker 2: live on crypto, people like, oh, yeah, right, how do
Speaker 2: you pay your electric bill? How do you pay your mortgage?
Speaker 2: How do you do some of these basic things? And
Speaker 2: it turns out Sprits Finance is a solution for that.
Speaker 2: You connect to Sprits Finance, and so I put in
Speaker 2: my Verizon account and my Varietony account number, and then
Speaker 2: literally I pay directly.
Speaker 3: Through Sprits using crypto. And you can do this.
Speaker 2: With auto loans, student loans, mortgages, electric bill, all of it.
Speaker 2: And it has almost it has most of those types
Speaker 2: of most of the large vendors that you would think
Speaker 2: to pay. So so on this page and in the workshop,
Speaker 2: I teach people the whole range of how you can.
Speaker 3: Begin the first step of not using a.
Speaker 2: Personal bank account, and then hopefully we can all start
Speaker 2: working together to get more adoption so that so that
Speaker 2: we're dealing with crypto on a peer to peer basis,
Speaker 2: even without these intermediate services or gift cards or debit cards.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and take it back to those original intentions.
Speaker 1: How are the fees Are they comparable to the types
Speaker 1: of things that you would typically see these these intermediarias.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fees are actually the fees are actually minimal.
Speaker 2: The fees are actually in fact, I don't even know
Speaker 2: that there are any fees with the gift cards, come
Speaker 2: to think of it, because I mean, when you buy
Speaker 2: a gift card. Usually the business model for gift cards
Speaker 2: is people usually buy gift cards and there's a certain
Speaker 2: amount that never go redeemed, so you don't usually pay
Speaker 2: an additional fee for that because they have worked into
Speaker 2: the business model the fact that people won't actually redeem
Speaker 2: a large amount of the value. So so that hasn't
Speaker 2: been much of an issue. And there's there are no
Speaker 2: fees with the bill pay service, for instance, there's no
Speaker 2: I'm not paying extra to use my crypto to pay
Speaker 2: my Verizon bill where you get fees. And the challenge
Speaker 2: still remains with all of this is in acquiring crypto
Speaker 2: in the first place. And with these privacy coins there's
Speaker 2: only one exchange crack and that I think you can
Speaker 2: even buy minero, and most of the crypto exchanges are
Speaker 2: going to be moving away from privacy coins, so you
Speaker 2: ultimately have to buy some other coin and then you
Speaker 2: have to use a service to convert your transparent coin
Speaker 2: to a privacy coin, which I also outline, And so
Speaker 2: there is somewhat of a transaction fee involved with that
Speaker 2: upfront to get involved with these assets in the first place.
Speaker 2: And so that's probably the area where you have the biggest,
Speaker 2: biggest fee generation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you've got to make a couple of hops,
Speaker 1: and you've got to have a fee at each of
Speaker 1: those hops. There you talk about there's really only one
Speaker 1: exchange that's working with Manaro and Xeno and these other
Speaker 1: privacy coins, And I guess that's the other part of it.
Speaker 1: It's really you know, the vulnerability is the on ramp
Speaker 1: and the exit ramp there. You know, at that point,
Speaker 1: what do we you know, what is the when we
Speaker 1: look at what they're likely to do. I would think
Speaker 1: that they're going to start attacking these sites like cracking
Speaker 1: and so forth. Are they located outside the United States?
Speaker 1: How vulnerable are they to pressure and attacks from the
Speaker 1: United States?
Speaker 2: So I think there are four major exchanges in the US.
Speaker 2: They're all being sued by the SEC. Most have already
Speaker 2: gotten rid of privacy coins. I think crack and I'll
Speaker 2: ultimately probably stop offering them there as well, So I
Speaker 2: think that we can count on that happening. And by
Speaker 2: the way, that's a bipartisan affair. I think there are
Speaker 2: a lot of people that get worked up over Trump
Speaker 2: is going to be the savior on crypto. And I've
Speaker 2: actually read the legislation that the Republicans in the House
Speaker 2: have drafted, and none of it is pro freedom, none
Speaker 2: of it is pro privacy. It all gives more control
Speaker 2: to the banks, and it all adds more reporting. So
Speaker 2: there's no Republican win from the standpoint of privacy or
Speaker 2: even really self custody. Either way, we're going to get
Speaker 2: more regulation, more reporting. And this is Cynthia Loomis, Senator
Speaker 2: from Wyoming, who puts the bitcoin eyes and her profile
Speaker 2: picture and who everybody thinks is this pro crypto person.
Speaker 2: She is explicitly against privacy and explicitly against everything that's
Speaker 2: not a transparent blockchain. So this is I have no
Speaker 2: this isn't going to get easier. It's only going to
Speaker 2: get worse, which is why I think people getting into
Speaker 2: these privacy coins and starting to use them in a
Speaker 2: parallel economy as quickly as possible. Is the is the
Speaker 2: right way because again they want to ratchet up to tyranny,
Speaker 2: So they want to take the existing digital system and
Speaker 2: they're going to move to ban cash, They're going to
Speaker 2: move to add more programmability. This is just kind of
Speaker 2: baked into to what's going to happen, and so privacy
Speaker 2: coins are really our only way out, and certainly gold
Speaker 2: and silver as well, but unless gold and silver can
Speaker 2: be spendable and actually used.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's gold and silver sure as a hedge.
Speaker 2: For the collapse of the dollar, but at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, if you have to buy a little
Speaker 2: for better, you have to engage in commerce. You know,
Speaker 2: there needs to be a spendable version of these things.
Speaker 2: And so this is why I think the merger of
Speaker 2: privacy coins or privacy tokens and precious metals is probably
Speaker 2: going to be a huge a huge win for all
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 3: But now time is not on our side.
Speaker 2: I mean, and there are other things that people can
Speaker 2: do with you know, GPNs and other things I'm not
Speaker 2: necessarily going to talk about here, but you can go
Speaker 2: about acquiring these things not within the United States, but
Speaker 2: the US is really not competitive already with exchanges, and
Speaker 2: this even varies. The state of New York is horrendous.
Speaker 2: You have to have a bit license. It's almost impossible
Speaker 2: to buy crypto in New York. We've really shot ourselves
Speaker 2: in the foot on this. And of course I think
Speaker 2: cz who is the CEO of Binance, is still in prison.
Speaker 2: I think he gets out of prison in a few days.
Speaker 2: He is serving a four month prison term. So the
Speaker 2: US has been horrible on this front. Now, ultimately, you know, people,
Speaker 2: you want to get to the point where people are
Speaker 2: actually earning money in crypto, right, this is the way
Speaker 2: to go moving forward when people are actually using this
Speaker 2: not just to buy and sell things, but people are
Speaker 2: actually earning money in crypto. And I know people that
Speaker 2: have been doing that for a while as well. A
Speaker 2: friend of mine here in New Hampshire, Free State's been
Speaker 2: living on crypto since twenty fifteen and he actually gets
Speaker 2: paid in crypto. He only works on projects where he
Speaker 2: gets paid in crypto. So there's a Again, it's a process,
Speaker 2: it's a continuum of how we get to where we
Speaker 2: need to be, which is people using peer to peer
Speaker 2: cash and earning in peer to peer cash.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why it's so important what you're doing because
Speaker 1: when we look at it, if people if people don't
Speaker 1: own guns and they've never been around guns, it's very
Speaker 1: easy for people to tell them, all, we don't want
Speaker 1: to have anybody having guns, right, And the same thing
Speaker 1: is true in terms of driving cars. You we look
Speaker 1: at what is happening. The younger generation is not driving
Speaker 1: cars that much is going to be very they're doing
Speaker 1: that on purpose or making it difficult for them so
Speaker 1: that if they don't have cars, they're not going to
Speaker 1: really see the need of it. That's why it's very
Speaker 1: important for you to get people to start to see
Speaker 1: how to safely use this stuff and start to adopt
Speaker 1: it so that it's not something that they know about,
Speaker 1: something that they value. And if you start to get
Speaker 1: a big community of people who know how to use
Speaker 1: it and value it, then at that point they will
Speaker 1: start to push back and defend it. Right now, what
Speaker 1: you see happening with these politicians. Politicians are out there
Speaker 1: trolling for voters and they're trolling for donors. And you know,
Speaker 1: Trump just got seven a half million dollars from Crypto
Speaker 1: Political Action Committee, and yet he goes on and he
Speaker 1: talks about it. He doesn't know anything at all about it,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't care anything at all about it. And
Speaker 1: that's true, as you point out to Ted Cruise, any
Speaker 1: of these people, they jump onto it because it's a
Speaker 1: political position. But at the same time, especially coming from
Speaker 1: the Conservatives, they're going to say, well, we've got to
Speaker 1: have visibility on everything that everybody's doing, you know, because
Speaker 1: of drugs or because of whatever issue they want to
Speaker 1: attribute this to, as if that is something that can
Speaker 1: only be done with with a crypto, as if it's
Speaker 1: not being done with the current financial system and cash
Speaker 1: and all the rest of this stuff. So it is
Speaker 1: a it is a troubling thing. And I guess the
Speaker 1: question I have is, you know, when you get down
Speaker 1: to just you know, only cracking that is that is
Speaker 1: doing the privacy coins, is you know what what is?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, as you point out the walls are closing
Speaker 1: in on it, Uh, what is what does the future
Speaker 1: look like with that? How do we get into that
Speaker 1: system if they close down the last one?
Speaker 3: Well, so again, you can buy a transparent coin.
Speaker 2: I use a service called ex Alex, and there's another
Speaker 2: one coming up called change Now where you can you
Speaker 2: can go on to an exchange and you can buy whatever,
Speaker 2: uh bitcoin cash, or you can buy a stable coin,
Speaker 2: and then you can use these other services and that
Speaker 2: are not based in the United States, and you can
Speaker 2: swap your transparency coins. It's I mean, it's always an
Speaker 2: arms race. It's always staying one step ahead. I will
Speaker 2: say the capball is going to have a feature where
Speaker 2: you will be able to buy I believe that man
Speaker 2: Aaron Zano directly within the wallet using a credit card
Speaker 2: or a debit card.
Speaker 3: But this is why I keep this part of my
Speaker 3: website up.
Speaker 2: To date, because these these services are continually changing and
Speaker 2: we just have to acknowledge that it is absolutely it
Speaker 2: is absolutely a race. There's something that's that's being built
Speaker 2: called Confidential Layers, which is going to be an ability
Speaker 2: for people to take their existing bitcoin and ethereum and
Speaker 2: do what it's called bridging essentially into xano, so that
Speaker 2: they can make their transparent coins private. So again it's
Speaker 2: a constant race and it's a constant battle for innovation.
Speaker 2: Of course, the whole point of crypto to begin with
Speaker 2: was peer to peer digital cast. So even the idea
Speaker 2: of exchanges is kind of overblown, right, I mean, it.
Speaker 3: Used to be.
Speaker 2: Early on in twenty twelve, we had local bitcoin meetups
Speaker 2: here in New Hampshire. I mean people would get together
Speaker 2: in person. That's actually how this stuff started is people
Speaker 2: meeting physically in person and exchanging these things cash and
Speaker 2: crypto and all of that. That's how this started. And
Speaker 2: then there was something called local Bitcoins that was created
Speaker 2: to help facilitate that. Even that was shut down. So
Speaker 2: and what they do is they go after you for
Speaker 2: being in a money transmitter business. So if you came
Speaker 2: to me and said, hey, I'd like to buy some
Speaker 2: zano from you, you know, here's one thousand dollars of cash,
Speaker 2: I can't do that because I don't have a money
Speaker 2: transmitter license. And that's why, you know, my friend eating
Speaker 2: is in prison for eight eight years, so you can't
Speaker 2: even do the person to person stuff. So it's constantly
Speaker 2: standing on top of new technologies and solutions and ways
Speaker 2: of working around this. But there's no doubt that there
Speaker 2: is no doubt that regulations that no one is proposing
Speaker 2: a regulation that makes exchanges easier to use or that
Speaker 2: lessons the reporting bird. No one, there's not a piece
Speaker 2: of legislation that does that.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, yeah, and that's the key, you know,
Speaker 1: the other part of it. It's not just keeping abreast
Speaker 1: of the technology, but keeping abreast of the regulatory environment
Speaker 1: so that you don't get trapped like your friend in
Speaker 1: and yeah, Guard Goldsmith knows him and is I think
Speaker 1: works with his radio station up there also in New
Speaker 1: Hampshire's got Liberty Conspiracy as guards program. But it is
Speaker 1: a crime what they've done him, a crime what they've
Speaker 1: done to ross Albrick and it is a real can
Speaker 1: you know when we look at this that that really
Speaker 1: that's when they pull the veil back and you see
Speaker 1: what these people really are. You see how much they
Speaker 1: hate free speech, how much they hate privacy, how much
Speaker 1: they want to control and track everything that we do.
Speaker 1: And it truly is amazing. Once you start to look
Speaker 1: at these issues, you start to realize what vampires they
Speaker 1: literally are. It's just incredible, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It is incredible And a lot of what they try
Speaker 2: to do, and you touched on it earlier, is they
Speaker 2: try to make privacy. Oh you're using a privacy coin,
Speaker 2: this must mean you're a drug dealer or a money
Speaker 2: launder or a terrorist. And the reality is, you know,
Speaker 2: I use privacy coins because I know they're going to
Speaker 2: go after you know, my ability to buy red and
Speaker 2: meat or raw milk, or to you know, buy gas
Speaker 2: and drive more than fifty miles in a week.
Speaker 3: We know where this is going.
Speaker 2: I mean, the end goal of this again is it's
Speaker 2: an energy credit based digital currency tied to a social
Speaker 2: credit system. So this is using privacy coins. Isn't use
Speaker 2: privacy coins now so that the behavior that you're doing
Speaker 2: today that is legal doesn't become illegal and then you
Speaker 2: find yourself in the dark market just to get ahead
Speaker 2: of that curve because it will affect all of us.
Speaker 2: And that is and that is I will tell you
Speaker 2: that is a big issue. We need to focus on
Speaker 2: selling privacy and in particular for young people. There's a
Speaker 2: Cato survey that thirty three percent of gen z I
Speaker 2: believe are okay with surveillance cameras in the home, federal
Speaker 2: government surveillance cameras and the home to monitor for domestic abuse.
Speaker 2: So we have a really big disconnect. We have older
Speaker 2: people understand privacy but aren't necessarily as tech savvy, but
Speaker 2: the younger people are tech savvy but don't value privacy.
Speaker 2: So in order to get to where.
Speaker 3: We need to be.
Speaker 2: We've got to make the tech easier and we have
Speaker 2: to make people understand the importance of privacy as a
Speaker 2: fundamental right.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it. Yeah, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got a lot of people. I think that young people
Speaker 1: haven't read Orl's nineteen eighty four. I think we've got
Speaker 1: a lot of parents who haven't read Brave New World.
Speaker 1: I like what you said about the fact that you
Speaker 1: got the older generation values privacy, but they don't know
Speaker 1: how to use tech to get it. The young generation
Speaker 1: understands of tech, but they don't care about privacy. That's
Speaker 1: the key thing, and they're coming for us. It's not
Speaker 1: only have they laid this out that we're going to
Speaker 1: control what you eat, what you do, and all the
Speaker 1: rest of stuff, but we're also seeing this applied already politically.
Speaker 1: We've seen Nigel Farage, for example, debanked. It's not just
Speaker 1: the Operation Choke Point coming after the gun stores or anything,
Speaker 1: but we've seen it come after him. We've seen them
Speaker 1: debanking AfD people in Germany. If you are their political opponents,
Speaker 1: they come after you with everything, but especially that that's
Speaker 1: the way they're going to shut people down as through
Speaker 1: the financial system. So that's one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: we've got to have financial privacy. Just the same way
Speaker 1: that they're coming after speech, they're going to come after
Speaker 1: that type of privacy as well. It's very vital and
Speaker 1: so I really do appreciate what you're doing. Again, tell
Speaker 1: people where it is. It is Daylightfreedom dot org. You
Speaker 1: can go that's Aaron Day's website. There a ton of
Speaker 1: useful information there. Click on the empower button and you
Speaker 1: can also find out where he's got these different in
Speaker 1: person what do you call them, presentations, classes or whatever?
Speaker 3: Workshops?
Speaker 1: Okay, and he's got one coming in October fifth in
Speaker 1: New Jersey. You mentioned the middle of December and Nashal.
Speaker 1: Where was the other one going to be?
Speaker 3: The other one is an Omaha, the ninth.
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, that's an excellent thing. And he's living
Speaker 1: the life right now. Right now, he's off the grid
Speaker 1: financially and he can help you to start to transition
Speaker 1: to that. It's very important use your freedom or lose it.
Speaker 1: And of course the key thing is having the knowledge
Speaker 1: of how this system works. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us, Aaron. I appreciate it anything for having me
Speaker 1: we've got about a minute or so. Anything you want
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 2: I would just say, because he was just at an
Speaker 2: event with three hundred people over the weekend, and people
Speaker 2: you know, look into hijacking Bitcoin, consider buying this book
Speaker 2: Hijacking Bitcoin, because so many people are misled about bitcoin
Speaker 2: and they're buying the narratives from you know, three twenty
Speaker 2: seventeen when it was hijacked. They're buying this idea that
Speaker 2: this is freedom money and that this is the way
Speaker 2: out of CBDCs, and in reality, they're walking their way
Speaker 2: into a surveillance asset that's been captured by Black Rock
Speaker 2: and captured by the banks. And so it's it's it
Speaker 2: is not the answer to the problem. It's actually becoming
Speaker 2: the problem. And the person literally wrote this book is
Speaker 2: not able to talk about it right at the time
Speaker 2: when he should be able to. So you know, you
Speaker 2: should be interviewing Roger Veer right now, not me, but
Speaker 2: but you can't because he's stuck in Spain. And by
Speaker 2: the way, I will also.
Speaker 3: Say the I R.
Speaker 2: S IS is coming after crypto in a big way.
Speaker 2: I believe the biggest learned this weekend. One of the
Speaker 2: biggest areas of hiring is in this crypto area. So
Speaker 2: and again they're not they're not doing it to get
Speaker 2: their fair share. They're doing it to shut down so
Speaker 2: that they can add the tyranny to our existing digital dollar.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah. It's an army of IRS agents
Speaker 1: that both the Republicans and Democrats want to send it.
Speaker 1: And all they do is tease you with these little trinkets.
Speaker 1: I'll cut the taxes over here, okay, while this army
Speaker 1: of IRS agents is coming into this most in city
Speaker 1: is saying it really makes me angry. I got a
Speaker 1: comment here, Thank you Erin. I appreciate that from Guard
Speaker 1: Goldsmith and thank you Guard. I appreciate that, he says.
Speaker 1: I've been listening David and Aaron, and I want to
Speaker 1: thank you. Pull that back up, Travis against it. Thanks
Speaker 1: for your excellent work and dedication of truth peaceful interactions.
Speaker 1: Thank you for mentioning Ian Freeman God bless. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: who Guard is working with. Thank you, folks. And by
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