WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:07.000 Welcome Friendsis Podcasts podcast is done. 2 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:12.199 Show Jack again by the Talking does brub mom Down 3 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:14.080 podcast on Baby. 4 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:21.480 Your town is being quarantined. 5 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:24.160 We got nineteen dead, you got a hundred more infected. 6 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:26.280 It's spreading on a brush fire. What are you talking about. 7 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:28.120 If one of them's got it, then ten of them 8 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:29.559 got it now, and if one of them gets out 9 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:32.159 of Cedar Creek, we have a very interesting problem from 10 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:35.079 the heart of a small California town to the inner 11 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:38.560 circle of power in Washington. The greatest medical crisis of 12 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:42.399 all time. We can't stop Him begins. There will be 13 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:46.000 panic the likes of which we have never seen. Dustin Hoffman, 14 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:51.000 Renee Russo, Morgan Freeman. We can't stop Him. Outbreak Rated 15 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:53.479 R starts Friday, March tenth at a theater New You. 16 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:57.000 Welcome to a movie film commentary Trek. My name is 17 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.119 Zachi Hassain. I'm here in my has meat content ad 18 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:05.560 mint suit in an uncontaminated zone alongside Brian Hall. Hey. 19 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:09.040 How's it going, Zachi? I'm doing pretty well. I guess 20 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:11.599 I should have put the helmet on. Yeah, let me 21 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:11.959 take my. 22 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:16.200 Hey, how's it going? Man? Apparently it's not airborne? 23 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:20.120 Oh? Well that's a relief. Yeah, so we're good. You 24 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.719 know what has been out in the wild for thirty 25 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:26.439 years now, it's the movie Outbreak thirty. 26 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:29.480 Years Yes, Outbreak, this was this is one of those 27 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:32.319 movies that was such a thing in the moment, but 28 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:35.079 it really was. I don't know that I've seen it 29 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:37.120 literally in thirty years. 30 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:40.840 Wow. So your first time revisiting it was for this track, 31 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:41.519 I think. 32 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:46.439 So, I think I I remember renting it and yeah, 33 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:47.959 I don't know that I've seen it since. 34 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.560 Yeah, this was definitely a phenomenon at the time it 35 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:54.200 came out. It was number one at the box office 36 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.560 for three consecutive weeks. Wow, which is no small thing. 37 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:01.239 And you know, I think the last time I saw 38 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:05.599 it was exactly five years ago, in the lead up 39 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:09.080 to you know, all the COVID sheltern play stuff. 40 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:14.439 Yeah, this movie entered the Netflix Top ten in that moment, 41 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:18.719 and you can understand why. Actually, it is very interesting 42 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:20.479 to rewatch this movie. 43 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.319 Now having lived through that. Yeah, there's a whole. 44 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:26.360 Different sensation that's really true watching some of these scenes. 45 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:29.080 Yeah, so we thought, you know, we like to do 46 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:34.360 this sometimes, just dip into nineties action cinema. Yeah, yeah, right, 47 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:36.919 and and we have been kind of just working through, 48 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:42.960 you know, the the catalog of Wolfgang Peterson. That's true. Yeah, 49 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:46.039 so I thought, hey, you know, let's celebrate thirty years 50 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:50.479 of Outbreak. Let's suit up. Let's suit up. Let's let's 51 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:52.919 dive into the hot zone or not the hot zone. 52 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:54.960 They will get into that, yeah, I'm sure we'll. 53 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:58.639 Be talking about that as we watch this. This I 54 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:03.919 was gonna say classic, it's just I would call you 55 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:05.159 know what I would call it, Brian, I would call 56 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:06.879 it a forgotten little gem. 57 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would Yeah. Yeah, we'll get into 58 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:13.520 that too. My memory of this. The tone of this 59 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:17.000 movie is very different, right, and I would say it vacillates. 60 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:21.280 I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, but but definitely a 61 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:25.479 nostalgia trip for you and I. Yeah. Uh, and and hey, 62 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.319 maybe it'll be a nostalgia trip for the people listening 63 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:28.680 to us. So if you want to watch along with us, 64 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:30.680 you can certainly do that. We are watching the one 65 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:33.639 and only cut of the film. But you know, if not, 66 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:36.159 we'll try to keep this conversation gaging enough that you 67 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:41.960 won't feel like you're catching a cold, well or something 68 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:46.280 worse while listening so with are you are you cute 69 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:48.919 up on your end, Brian, Yeah, I'm ready to go. Okay, 70 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:50.719 so we will hit play on three. We'll do the 71 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:53.560 usual thing. So one two three play, and here we go, 72 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:55.719 one two three play. 73 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:02.319 You know, this is just on a personal note, but 74 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.199 I was watching the movie last night that had the 75 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:07.800 more updated Warner Shield, not the most recent one, but 76 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:09.319 the one that we've had for a long time, where 77 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:13.039 you see the reflection to the studio, you know, and 78 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:15.919 you could see stage sixteen, which made me think of 79 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.000 the last time you visited. And we went and saw 80 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:21.040 a TV tapings a lot and we were staring at 81 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:21.759 stage sixteen. 82 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:23.240 Wow, how funny. 83 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:26.000 Oh that's where Zachie and I were. And I actually thought, 84 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:27.560 every time I see that now I'm going to think 85 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:29.360 about Zachie and I walked past that stage. 86 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:33.079 That's a nice memory. Yeah. As of this recording, that 87 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:35.920 episode is not aired yet, so I'm still I'm still waiting. 88 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:37.240 I've been keeping tabs. 89 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:40.000 Also, well, we should say we went and saw a 90 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:41.240 TV taping of Night. 91 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:45.959 Court Night Court season three. Yeah, but so so do 92 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:48.279 you go did you watch this movie in the theater 93 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:51.959 when it came out? I don't think so. 94 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:56.360 This was ninety five. I wasn't seventeen yet and seeing 95 00:04:56.439 --> 00:05:00.240 R rated movies was a little trickier okay at the time, 96 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:07.240 and so probably I saw this. I think I rented it. You, Yeah, 97 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:08.519 I saw it in the Cheap Show. 98 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:09.560 But I did see it. I saw it with my 99 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:15.959 brother downtown. Glen Ellen. I believe oh Ogden Ogden six No, no, no, 100 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.120 it was oh Glen Ellen, sorry, yeah, and Glen Ellen yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 101 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:23.079 I can picture it. Yeah. So a little point of trivia, 102 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:26.480 it says here in nineteen sixty seven Zaire. Just in 103 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:30.639 terms of historical correctness, in nineteen sixty seven, this was 104 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:36.120 known as the Democratic Republic of Congo, and it's known 105 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:37.519 as that again. By the ways, I think it was 106 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:42.040 only known as Zaire from seventy one to the late nineties. 107 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:49.720 Interesting, speaking of it's our rating, I didn't realize this 108 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:51.439 was rated R. It was one of those things where 109 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:53.720 the movie went on for about thirty some minutes or something, 110 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:56.560 and then every now and then there'd be like, oh, 111 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:57.399 I was like, that's. 112 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:59.680 Three f words. Like I was like, I was this 113 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:03.199 rated are? Like I didn't even realize. I would guess 114 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:05.319 it got the R rating more for sort of the 115 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:10.079 horrific nature of the virus, like they didn't want little 116 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:12.079 kids going and seeing the what happens. 117 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:14.079 You know, honestly, that makes a lot of sense, because 118 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:16.959 I think in my mind this just did feel like 119 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:24.800 a weirdly like a nineties summer blockbuster that like, I 120 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:26.839 you know what I mean, like a PG thirteen big 121 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:31.680 summer movie or something. Yeah, but yeah, no, it's definitely 122 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:33.480 pretty grotesque at times here. 123 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:38.959 Very much. So. Yeah, And and what's what's fascinating is 124 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:45.879 that I think I think the in terms of the situation. 125 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:49.800 First of all, the situation that the movie depicts is 126 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:54.319 complete fantasy, right in terms of how quickly the virus 127 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:57.000 adapts and everything else. But what I do think it 128 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:00.800 highlights and it's relevant nowadays because we or there there 129 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:05.439 does seem to be sort of an anti science pushback 130 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:09.519 in the world at large, right. I was watching the 131 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:13.079 town react later. Yeah, I did have a wow. 132 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:16.079 The more things change, it really, you know, it really 133 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:16.839 is in a moment. 134 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:20.519 Yeah, but I mean it it points out, you know, 135 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:22.920 there's people who work in these fields who are who 136 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:28.560 are unheralded but doing really important stuff, you know, like 137 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:32.360 like the you know, General McClintock dropping this bomb here. 138 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.480 You know, that's that's important work that he just did 139 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:41.360 to wipe out this village. That's horrible. That's a that's 140 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:43.759 a real bomb. By the way, isn't that terrifying? 141 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.519 Like, oh, the type of bomb. 142 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:50.000 That it uses oxygen to sort of create this it 143 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:53.920 basically lights the air on fire. Wow, this is horrific. 144 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:56.680 You know, we we we we seem to excel more 145 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.879 at finding new ways to kill each other. Yeah, they 146 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:01.639 to save each other's lives. 147 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.399 And I had that very thought when you said that. 148 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:06.399 It's like, we just use our imaginations and creativity and 149 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:11.240 brilliance to find new ways to destroy. Yeah, really, you know, 150 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:17.600 but this, I mean it came at an interesting time 151 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:23.120 where I remember viruses were kind of like a lot. 152 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:25.399 It featured a lot in the news. There was that 153 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:27.920 best selling book The Hot Zone, that's right, which I 154 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:32.759 remember there was like this sort of handful of books 155 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:35.159 in the nineties that were these best selling true stories. 156 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:38.679 It made me think of into thin Air about the 157 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.919 ninety six Mount Everest disaster. Like I remember a lot 158 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:44.000 of people reading The Hot Zone, and I knew it 159 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:47.159 was a true story. About viruses. I remember Into Thin 160 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.320 Air being a big one, which. 161 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:52.279 That served as the basis for the movie Everest, which you. 162 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.639 Know, which yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually I went and 163 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:57.759 googled that because I thought, wait a minute, is this 164 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:02.200 the same thing we just watched that? But yeah, so 165 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:07.080 this movie began as an attempt to adapt The Hot Zone, right, 166 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.000 I mean, the idea of making this film in the 167 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:09.519 first place. 168 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.519 Yeah, well, there was a bidding war with Regardless before 169 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:14.559 The Hot Zone even became a book. So by way 170 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:17.039 of context, the Hot Zone is a fact based story 171 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:21.159 about a near outbreak of abola that happened the state side. 172 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.120 It started as an article in the New Yorker, I think, 173 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:29.240 and at that stage there was you know, the studios 174 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:30.240 were fighting it out. 175 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.679 Like how to adapt this into a movie because this 176 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:35.240 was a huge selling book. 177 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:39.559 Yeah, so so Arnold Copolson, who produced The Fugitive, which, 178 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.480 by the way, look look at the font here you 179 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:44.200 can do this is Fugitive font. 180 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.720 The font and the score and the score. I thought, wow, 181 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:50.360 this feels I noticed the font and I noticed this 182 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:52.679 sounds exactly like the score from The Fugitive. And then 183 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:55.639 the credit, you know, James Newton Howard comes up, and 184 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:55.919 I was like. 185 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:57.919 Yeah, you have to imagine they tempt it with the 186 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:03.080 fugitive probably in right. So, so Arnold Copelson got out 187 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.840 bid by by Linda Oapst, who who put together a 188 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.480 package for The Hot Zone with Ridley Scott attached and 189 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:15.559 Robert Redford was gonna star, Jody Foster was attached. Kind 190 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:19.519 of a big deal. Yeah, and so Coppelsen was like, well, 191 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:23.320 I'm just gonna make my own virus movie. And and 192 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:27.639 you know, you can't copyright a virus, uh, and so 193 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:29.720 they just or the idea of a virus. I should say, 194 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:33.120 I would assume Motaba is TM and copyright you know 195 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:36.720 Warren Brothers. Sure, yeah, but you can't copyright the idea. 196 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:40.120 And so they just kind of, you know, just did 197 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:42.799 it faster. And and I remember at the time, because 198 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:45.320 I was that nerdy film film buff kid, I was 199 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:49.200 following like the the the race to get both virus 200 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:51.799 movies into production. I remember when Crisis in the Hot Zone, 201 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:54.120 which is what that film was, was gonna be called 202 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.480 just they they they threw in the towel. Oh really, yeah, yeah, 203 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:00.879 I remember, I remember all of that happening, you know, 204 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.840 roughly in real time. How did you follow those sorts 205 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:08.799 of stories in the mid nineties, primarily through Entertainment Weekly 206 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:13.600 Time magazine. I would read the entertainment section in Time Magazine. Yeah, 207 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:15.679 but I would Yeah. This was before even I had 208 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.799 internet access. Yeah. I was going to say, yeah, yeah, 209 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:20.639 so I would go. I would go to the jewel 210 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:23.679 Osco right near my house. I would walk over there 211 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.399 and I would read the Entertainment Weekly almost from cover 212 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:27.600 to cover, just standing there. 213 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:31.559 Wow, that was like a Memories a weekly thing. 214 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:32.639 Yeah, yeah, yep. 215 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:35.360 I subscribed to that too, and you know Starlog and 216 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:35.799 all those. 217 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:40.200 Yeah. I had a subscription to Entertainment Weekly once I 218 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:44.799 could do that on my own, from like ninety seven, no, no, 219 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:48.840 ninety eight, early ninety eight until probably twenty twelve something 220 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.480 like that. Wow, right, And then I realized, wait a minute, 221 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:54.279 why am I I don't need to read this magazine. 222 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:56.360 Like I know, I know well, and then it ceased 223 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:01.080 being Entertainment Weekly and now that's right early and yeah, yeah, 224 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:04.639 I think it went monthly first and then online only, so. 225 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:06.159 It's not published at all anymore. 226 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:08.360 Well, as I say that, I'm not sure because you know, 227 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:10.679 I don't know why I'm telling this story. But I 228 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:12.519 got one in the mail with my name on it 229 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.080 two years ago and thought, what, like, I did subscribe 230 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:17.759 to this and then I never got another one again. 231 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:19.679 And I don't know if there was some glitch in 232 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:21.960 their system where they saw my name was in there 233 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:24.639 from fifteen years ago, or look at that. 234 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:26.919 It's a metaphor for something. One day you received an 235 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:29.960 entertainment weekly, never realizing it was the last entertainment weekly 236 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.159 you'd ever received. That's right, it's very deep. 237 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.080 But no, I was reading this interview with the screenwriters 238 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.919 Lawrence Dwrett and Robert Roy Poole, and they said that, yeah, 239 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.679 Warner Brothers was enlisting writers to adapt Crisis in the 240 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:44.200 Hot Zone. 241 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:46.639 Yeah, and they came back. 242 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:48.360 The writers came back to Warner Brothers and said, this 243 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:52.039 article won't make a good motion picture because the end 244 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.519 of the article is hundreds of monkeys being put to 245 00:12:54.559 --> 00:13:00.159 sleep and the disease never affecting human beings. So Dworet 246 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.799 was a former emergency room doctor, and he said, you 247 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:05.639 know what really scares me is somebody's going to come 248 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:07.639 in with a particular disease and I'm not going to 249 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:09.360 recognize it. And they're going to spread it to me 250 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:11.559 and all the medical staff, and we're going to have 251 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.279 to go home, or we're going to go home and 252 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:16.120 spread it to our families. So they're like, let's have 253 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:19.200 a movie where a virus spreads out of control, and 254 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:22.000 you know, it has to be a bigger movie. People 255 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.080 have to get sick and die, and it has to 256 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:25.639 be a threat to the world. Otherwise it's not a 257 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:28.799 major studio feature. And Warner Brothers. 258 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:32.279 Agreed, Well, I think that's very apt because because The 259 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:37.159 Hot Zone was eventually adapted into a TV mini series 260 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:42.559 and it was very compelling television interesting, And I had 261 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:44.080 that exact thought. I was like, I don't think this 262 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:46.320 would have worked as a movie. It was. It ended 263 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.200 up in the exact format it should have been in. 264 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:54.519 It was like a dramatic narrative or was it a documentary. 265 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:55.679 No, it's a mini It was a mini series. Yeah, 266 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:59.159 it was a show. It starred Juliana Marghley's Oh interesting. Yeah, 267 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:03.840 and really remained attached as EP from the time it 268 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:09.879 fell apart. I think that this this movie, it has 269 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:11.240 kind of pulpy energy. 270 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:17.039 He surprisingly, so, I didn't remember it that way. Yeah, 271 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:19.519 And I especially when you get into the third. 272 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:28.519 Act, very much like a nineties popcorn yeah exactly. Anyway, Yeah, no, 273 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:34.519 I well, I I personally like the fact that they 274 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:37.200 went with Dustin Hoffman. I think that's really interesting and 275 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.200 it makes the movie kind of stand out because he's 276 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.120 never done other movies like this. 277 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:44.840 I agree, and he brings sort of a oh well, 278 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.159 he's this type of guy. You know, if you just 279 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:50.840 put someone who's got I mean, forgive me Dustin, but 280 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.759 like more muscles and you know, perhaps some more traditionally 281 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.039 movie star handsome face, you know, Harrison Ford type who 282 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:00.759 they were looking at. That's a different type of character. 283 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:03.399 Like this guy seems like someone who devoted his life 284 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:05.799 to the study of this thing, and he's put into 285 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:10.720 an extraordinary situation and seeing him fight against the system 286 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:14.879 to do what's right feels different in the way that 287 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:18.480 it's gonna be yeah right, versus like if you put Schwarzeneggers, you. 288 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:21.840 Know, yeah, well to that point. You know, this is 289 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:24.159 something Linda Obst talked about. You know, she was the 290 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:27.200 Hot Zone producer. How Wolfgang Peterson was trying to like 291 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:31.639 get Redford to come over to his virus movie. Mm hmmm, 292 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:34.000 and She talked about how that was like a pretty 293 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:38.840 shitty thing to do, which which I would agree with. However, Redford, 294 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:41.200 to his credit, he told he told Linda Opst, I'm 295 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.840 sticking with you to is that true? That is a 296 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:48.720 true sort which is either endearing or sexist. 297 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:50.399 I don't know, kind of depends on. 298 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:56.159 But but yeah, they are. They they wrote Sam Daniels 299 00:15:56.159 --> 00:16:01.159 with Harrison Ford in mind, which I can imagine that movie. 300 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:04.440 I can absolutely see that he turned it down. Then 301 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.840 they went to Mel Gibson, they went to Sliced Alone. 302 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:12.519 You know what's so funny. I didn't imagine I would 303 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:14.519 say this, but this movie does. 304 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:16.960 Have daylight or daybreak or whatever. 305 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:20.320 That movie was called ye energy, oh totally, which I 306 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:23.200 was not expecting. I thought this was like a real 307 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:28.000 more like high minded, serious dramatic sort of piece, but 308 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:29.960 it was, no, No, it's not. 309 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:36.039 Yeah. Well, and and that's where I think, honestly, Hoffman 310 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:40.039 elevates it a little bit just via his presence. Yes, 311 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:42.240 because because again going back to what I was saying, 312 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:45.200 like he he was not known for your big blockbuster movies. 313 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.360 And I think I think there is a relatability and 314 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:51.200 a reality and I think he knows the assignment here, 315 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:54.840 you know, uh, and I think that helps you know. 316 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:57.240 Yeah, absolutely, Actually I was kind of and we just 317 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:01.000 saw the scene where they're on the helicopter and you 318 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:04.079 have Kevin Spacey, Dustin Hoffman, Cuba Gooding Junior together, we 319 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:06.400 just saw Morgan Freeman, and I was kind of interested 320 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:09.000 in where these people were at in their careers because 321 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:13.759 we know them now, is right, I mean major stars. 322 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:16.880 I'm specifically really talking about Kevin Spacey. Well you know, 323 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:19.960 we can talk about that, but like in Cuba Gooding Junior. 324 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.680 But this is sort of we're getting kind of introduced 325 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:25.240 to them, like Jerry McGuire hasn't happened yet, right, the 326 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:30.039 usual suspects happens this year. I think for Kevin Spacey, sod. 327 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:34.400 Of Cuba Gooding from Lightning Jack. No, That's what I 328 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:35.359 knew him from. Actually. 329 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:38.559 But when you look at Dustin Hoffman, I mean obviously 330 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:42.400 you have like rain Man and I'm grading all those things. 331 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:45.160 Five years after his Rainman Oscar. Yeah. 332 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:49.039 Well you have Dick Tracy in ninety Simpson's Mister Bergstrom 333 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:52.680 ninety one, Billy Bathgate, Hook something else, Hero, and then 334 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.039 this in ninety five, so it's not like a ton 335 00:17:56.119 --> 00:17:57.400 of huge movies, honestly. 336 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:05.359 Yeah a minute there, Yeah, Yeah, that's that's different. Yeah. 337 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.559 And then Kevin Spacey, of course it's interesting too. I mean, 338 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:11.519 obviously we can apply what we know about him now, 339 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:14.000 but I did feel like, how am I supposed to 340 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:17.799 feel about this character? He seems like kind of a weirdo. 341 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.599 See. I was like, oh, it's likable, doomed partner. Yeah. 342 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:25.599 I mean he's got like a sense of humor, which probably, again, 343 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:27.799 if I could remove what I know about him now, 344 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:30.920 I think he might seem a little less creepy. But 345 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:32.559 he does have I think he's supposed to be like 346 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:37.240 sarcastic yeah, or something like he's the funny, sarcastic yeah counterpart. 347 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.279 But he just seems like, I don't know, like the 348 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:42.759 way he talks to Cuba Gooding Junior and like, oh yeah, 349 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.880 liquefies to your eyeballs, And it's like, is he like 350 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:50.160 the guy who's a little obsessed with how the virus works? 351 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:51.960 Like he could like like lean into that with the 352 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:53.799 tone that I think he's doing, you know, right, or 353 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:56.880 he like I almost admire its simplicity. 354 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:03.640 He's Ian Holme and the alien. Yeah, yeah, exactly. See. 355 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:06.279 I remember this is this is I'm gonna take the 356 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.319 bow for this. And I remember watching this in the 357 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:12.480 theater and being like, that's the guy who's gonna die sure, 358 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:15.920 Kevin Spacey. Yeah, and it was I was doing the 359 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.720 movie Math. I was like, I was like, it's not 360 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:21.200 going to be the It's not going to be the 361 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:24.319 black guy m like I was doing. I was doing 362 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:26.880 all this, He's he's the math. Yeah. I was like, 363 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:29.000 he's the young you know. And and I I was 364 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:30.200 kind of pegging it. I was like, well, they're not 365 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:33.880 going to kill Rene Russo. So that's why I and 366 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.720 I I had because this is Wolfgan Peterson and I 367 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.079 knew he was the guy who did in the Line 368 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.240 of Fire. And when Dylan McDermott dies in that movie, 369 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:48.599 that was That was my first time with the doom 370 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:50.839 partner trope. You know, wow, that really was. 371 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.400 I mean, it continues, I'm sure to this day, but 372 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:55.759 maybe audiences expect it more so you don't see it 373 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:57.920 as often. But now Speed was a year before this. 374 00:19:58.319 --> 00:19:59.119 I think Jeff. 375 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.599 Daniel is one of the most affecting Doomed partners, at 376 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:04.319 least in my experience. 377 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:10.720 Yeah, well, and I love that that in Copycat, Dermott 378 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:15.920 mulroney is the likable doomed partner Copycat. Wow. Yeah, so 379 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:19.519 Pulan McDermott and Dermott mulroney have both been the likable 380 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:20.240 doomed partner. 381 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:25.400 I've said it before. I don't know why Copycat keeps 382 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:27.599 coming up on this podcast, but like, I feel like 383 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:30.039 that one's been forgotten to time, but I will never 384 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:34.000 forget the killer in that movie Licks a Knife, and 385 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:40.119 I thirty plus years later, it still haunts me. I'm like, eh, 386 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:42.119 it really really disturbed me. 387 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:47.680 Anyway. 388 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:51.079 So, yeah, you got Cuba Gooding Junior on the chopper 389 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:54.599 being like he's being prepped, like, look, man, what you're 390 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:56.519 about to see is pretty intense. We need to know 391 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:57.720 that you can handle it if you're going to be 392 00:20:57.720 --> 00:20:59.640 a part of our team. He's like, you can count 393 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:01.759 on me, so you obviously know he's gonna barf. 394 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:04.240 And then he up checks in his suit in his suit, 395 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:05.319 which is very horrifying. 396 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:08.079 And then there's that moment too, I mean that's the 397 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:12.319 reveal that this virus is not airborne. Yea, They're like, 398 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:14.839 don't take off your helmet. But then he lifts it up. 399 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.200 Yeah, and yeah, again I. 400 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:20.400 Don't know if this is a post COVID kind of thing, 401 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:24.920 but just having lived through that moment where well in 402 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:28.079 this movie, later you'll see someone coughing in a movie theater. Yeah, 403 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:30.640 and I'm like, oh, please stop, please stop please, you 404 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:32.519 know kind of that seeing. 405 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:34.119 That as a kid was a traumatic moment. 406 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:38.000 Yeah, yeah, it really gets and of course would work 407 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:41.400 in ninety five with this film. But again having lived 408 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:43.519 through that moment where you hear someone coughing in the 409 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:44.319 theater and you're like. 410 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:49.680 Dude, yeah, like right or leave, just leave. Yeah. 411 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:52.519 And so then you know, wearing the masks and then 412 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:55.599 being in a target or something with a mask on 413 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:58.079 and feeling like if I lift it, is that okay? 414 00:21:58.160 --> 00:21:59.480 And then if I put it back down, did I 415 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:02.880 just you know, create a situation for myself. So seeing 416 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:08.720 Cuba Gooding Junior lift the helmet in that area, I 417 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:11.799 really felt that, oh, don't breathe, don't breathe. You don't know, 418 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.400 you know, it felt more even more palpable to me 419 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:16.519 now post twenty twenty. 420 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:21.200 Yeah, which it is so crazy to be five years 421 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:23.240 out from that, you. 422 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:26.440 Know, It's so funny. I mean, yeah, I mean does 423 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:28.519 it feel close or like, does it feel a million 424 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:30.559 miles away or does it feel like it was yesterday? 425 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:33.920 You know, yeah, both, definitely both. 426 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:38.960 Yeah. Yeah. 427 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:42.400 It's interesting too that in that moment, and maybe because 428 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:45.640 it was early on where it almost felt like a novelty, 429 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:47.680 Hey you got to stay at home, you don't have 430 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:50.599 to go to work, Yeah, that people were in droves 431 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:55.240 going to outbreak and Contagion, right, yeah, you know, because 432 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:56.480 I remember that one got picked up. 433 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:00.559 Yeah, Contagion is like a hard one to watch, Like, 434 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.960 I think this one benefits from sort of the fact 435 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:08.200 that it is escapism, you know. Yeah, yeah, Contagion. That's 436 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:09.359 that's a rough one, you know. 437 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:12.440 Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen that one in a while, 438 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:14.960 but I remember the whole thing about like the butcher 439 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:17.480 and the pig and like, you know, the way it 440 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:22.680 spreads the market. Yeah, by the way I was reading, 441 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:24.880 I always try to like look at a lot of 442 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:27.640 trivia about these movies because that's what I'm really interested in. 443 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:31.480 And yeah, half the trivia of this movie is like, 444 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:34.880 so to get the monkey to do this, you know, 445 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:36.640 just how difficult it was to get the monkey to 446 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:39.279 do the certain sorts of things. That's and apparently in 447 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:41.119 that scene we just saw where it gets captured with 448 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.799 the net, they had to train the monkey to feel 449 00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:46.400 like it was a game. Yes, that's right, like it 450 00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:48.240 was fun to be in the net, and so they 451 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:48.759 got it. 452 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:50.119 To to to do that. 453 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:52.680 And so it's you know, it's always hard seeing a 454 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:55.400 real animal on screen screen. 455 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:58.000 The monkey. The monkey, by the way, that's that's Betsy, 456 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:01.920 the same monkey who played Marcel on Friends. That's right, 457 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:03.319 that's right. 458 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:06.920 And apparently they had a difficult experience with that monkey. 459 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:10.640 Right. Well, well, monkeys are pains in the ass, I 460 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:13.319 would imagine, just yeah, in general, trying to get monkeys 461 00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:15.359 to do stuff. Well, as we say, I mean, you know, 462 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.440 does an animal know they're in a movie? You know? 463 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.680 I think that all the time. I was watching something 464 00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:23.160 the other day and like a horse fell over and 465 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:24.440 it was an older movie. So I'm like, you know, 466 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:27.480 they tripped that horse, and I'm like, that poor horse 467 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:29.160 doesn't know what's going on. It's just living its life, 468 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:34.200 you know, and animals don't know. But but didn't they 469 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:38.440 make a joke about outbreak in Friends like Outbreak two? 470 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:41.720 Yeah? Yeah, Well, they they had a thing where where 471 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:46.559 the movie. They were filming Outbreak too, and so Ross 472 00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:53.079 goes to visit Marcel and the movie stars Van dam Yeah, 473 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:54.240 oh that's right. I see. 474 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:56.400 I've only seen the series once and I remember the 475 00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:58.200 Van Damn thing and I remember the Outbreak too. 476 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:01.720 I forgot those were connected. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. 477 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:07.759 But I should mention that ship that we just saw, 478 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:13.279 the Tyguck Seattle. I guess it's called okay, that brings 479 00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:14.319 the Monkey to the US. 480 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:15.319 That's actually the S. 481 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:19.200 S Lane Victory, which is a ship from World War Two, 482 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:25.240 and you can visit that in San Pedro, California. And 483 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.319 I actually had relatives out here and I was looking 484 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:29.319 for things to do and I saw that you could 485 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:33.079 visit that that ship, that battleship, and it's actually really fun. 486 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:35.279 So if anyone's looking for something to do, you can 487 00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:37.640 go into the bowels of the ship and see all 488 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:41.480 sorts of you know, like gunner positions. That's amazing, huge 489 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:44.880 cannons and yeah, I was actually I didn't realize that 490 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:46.599 they still had it afloat and they were using it 491 00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:49.880 in films, okay, thirty years ago, but now it's I 492 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:52.720 think permanently docked and you can go visit it. It's 493 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:57.440 like a museum. So okay, yeah, point. 494 00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:00.400 Of fact, Yeah, no, that's I love that of going 495 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:04.039 back and looking at old timey ships and things. 496 00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:06.400 You know, it is weird to think that. Yeah, people 497 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:10.079 you talk about that all the time, like history all 498 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.440 living at once. In the moment you're standing in, you know, 499 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:14.319 think about the people that stood in that very spot, 500 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:16.799 and you just think about a bunch of people running 501 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.440 around that ship and what they probably experienced. 502 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:24.880 It's yeah, it kind of kind of cool. So at 503 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:28.200 the time this movie was made, Rene Russo was forty 504 00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:33.279 one and Dustin Hoffan was fifty seven. I did the 505 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:36.279 math too. Yeah. 506 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:39.039 So they're playing a married couple on the verge of 507 00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:39.920 divorce here. 508 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.680 Yeah, and or they are divorced, but they're. 509 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:45.000 Divorced, yes, yeah, and he's going to pick up his things. 510 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:48.559 It was funny because I thought it sort of feels 511 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:51.000 like from that spin the wheel of issues to give 512 00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:51.559 your character. 513 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:54.880 It's true. 514 00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:57.880 I mean, it doesn't totally work though, because it's like 515 00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:02.000 I think specific with these characters. These are people who 516 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.279 do the same job, and they're dedicated to their jobs 517 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:07.960 and they're equally I liked that it's not like one is. 518 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:08.680 Above the other. 519 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:12.279 Yeah, you know, they're they're both very good at their jobs, 520 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:16.359 and they're both very important and and so I then 521 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:21.119 when this thing kicks in, they're sort of forced, well 522 00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:23.359 both of them are thrust into the issue. But then 523 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.000 they're sort of brought together in one spot and they 524 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:28.079 have to work together, and it brings them closer together. 525 00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:31.640 And actually thought then it worked pretty pretty well, like narratively. 526 00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:36.240 I agree. Yeah. I think I think I mentioned before. 527 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:38.279 You know, I had a pretty big crush on Rene 528 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:43.799 Russo throughout the nineties. Oh yeah, and you know, even here, 529 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:47.240 as as she's withering away from the Motaba virus, I'm like, 530 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:49.880 I'd risk get in the virus. 531 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:52.759 It's a very I mean, it happens later, but it's 532 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.759 a really sweet moment when he takes his helmet off. 533 00:27:55.839 --> 00:28:00.960 I agree, yeah, yeah, around her. So this whole thing, 534 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:04.920 you know, where we're seeing them suit up and they 535 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.759 put the duct tape over the cuffs of their outfits 536 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.839 and the gloves, and I mean it's good because we 537 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:14.960 later see issues with this, so we're sort of being 538 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.119 introduced to the concept of this. But I don't know, man, 539 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:19.680 I'm looking at that duct tape. I'm like, does that 540 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.519 feel for as many precautions as they need to take, 541 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.519 it feels a little precarious. Yeah, right, doesn't it like 542 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:28.759 it doesn't even look like all that tape is tamped down. 543 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.240 Well, it could be Scotch tape, So I guess just 544 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:35.759 look at it that way. No duct table could always 545 00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:36.160 be worse. 546 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.640 But it's nerve wrecking too, because then we have this 547 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.160 moment of tension where it's like, well, you were about 548 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.680 to walk in there, but there's a little little tear 549 00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:47.480 in your We cannot have that, right, And so you're like, well, 550 00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:49.279 why are these suits so easily terrible? 551 00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:53.119 Right? Well, and I think some of that, it will 552 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.599 a lot of that probably is is sort of a 553 00:28:55.680 --> 00:29:00.079 cinematic license. That's a good point, right, because we know 554 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.839 later on there's a scene where Casey's air hose is 555 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.319 disconnected and oops, caught the virus. And I'm like, well, 556 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:07.920 even as I was watching it, I was like, that 557 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:12.559 seems really stupid if it's that easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. 558 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:16.160 And apparently there's there's like a failsafe built in where 559 00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:18.640 it can only push air out, it can't take anything in. 560 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.319 If something like that happens. Yeah, that makes a lot 561 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.759 of sense because these suits, by the way, you know, 562 00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:26.559 if you look at real hazmat suits, they're made in 563 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.839 such a way where you can't see the person's face. Yeah, 564 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:31.319 you hear that a lot in movies. 565 00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:33.799 I can't think of a particular one off top of 566 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.640 my head, but it's like space suits or space helmets. 567 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.000 They're sort of redesigned so you can see the actor's 568 00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.559 face where exactly life they don't, and you can also 569 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:43.880 stick lights in there and microphones and also. 570 00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.920 Right, right, So that's with this, you know, it's like 571 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:50.920 they had they've kind of finessed something that's not entirely 572 00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:55.480 real life, right, but realistic enough that you roll with it. 573 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:59.000 I think that's the thing, Yeah, is right, because because 574 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.359 when you watch a movie like this, right, we are 575 00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:04.960 not experts. We're not epidemiologists or virologist or anything like that, 576 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:07.960 and so what we need is to see characters act 577 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:13.440 in a way that is apparently credible, and then we'll 578 00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:20.279 roll with whatever. Hugger, mugger they're saying, that's so true. Yeah, right, yeah, 579 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:23.200 you know, it's sort of they have to perform credibility 580 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.960 and we go with it. Because the movie lays out 581 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.559 those markers. You know, my understanding is that image there 582 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.160 of the Motaba virus, that's just the Ebola strain, And 583 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.279 I think they just kind of photoshopped a little a 584 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:38.240 little flint flam here and there, you know. 585 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:42.599 Right right, I mean, I remember Abola goes all the 586 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:44.519 way back to the seventies, but I well, you know what, 587 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.160 it's probably due to the book. I was going to say, 588 00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.480 I remember sort of a flare up in stories about 589 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:49.319 it in the nineties. 590 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.519 Yep, that's right. And I can't say. 591 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:54.880 I mean, I was kind of I was a teenager then, 592 00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:57.640 so it's not like I have a really solid understanding 593 00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.640 of what was going on. It's probably just headlines I 594 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.400 was seeing over and over versus real knowing what the 595 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:04.160 situation was. 596 00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:10.400 Yeah. Well, I was enough of a hypochondriac that that 597 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:14.119 whenever I would read those types of stories, I just, 598 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:16.200 you know, curl up in the fetal position under my bed, 599 00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:16.440 you know. 600 00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:24.480 Yeah, Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, I see, And I've I've 601 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:25.880 always been I think I get it from my mom 602 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.160 a little bit, like a little bit of a germophobe. Yeah, 603 00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:30.880 like even pre COVID, like when someone coughs near me, I'm. 604 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.359 Like, dude, yeah, yeah, you know. 605 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:35.559 Or if someone shows up to work and they're like, oh, 606 00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:38.039 I got a cold, don't mind me. I'm like, I'm 607 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.920 very much minding you. I don't want to be sick 608 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:41.559 next week. 609 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.720 Yeah. Yeah. You know what's funny is is I've had 610 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.519 this discussion with my wife because because you know, she'll 611 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:53.119 eat my kids leftovers, and I'm like, nope, not doing that. Sorry, 612 00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:55.400 but there are your kids. I'm like, don't care, not 613 00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.680 doing that. That's so interesting. Yeah. 614 00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:02.039 No, But I mean so after COVID happened, I mean 615 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:05.599 I wish it had never happened, but when people were 616 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.839 a little more heightened and being a little more mindful, 617 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:10.319 like you know what, maybe I shouldn't come into the 618 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:12.599 office today, or you know, don't shake my hand. I've 619 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:14.839 been having a cough this morning. I was like, now, 620 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.759 this is the world I want to live in, you know, 621 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:21.200 everyone sort of respects one another as well being you know, 622 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.920 or even like I visited Japan in like twenty seventeen 623 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.920 or eighteen or something, and of course masks were part 624 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:28.960 of the culture over there, and I was like, if 625 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:31.359 only this would catch on you know, if you're not 626 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.240 that you have to wear it every day. But if 627 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.160 you're not feeling well, or if you're going to be 628 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.160 in a public space and you're a little concerned about 629 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:41.240 the people around you, let's make it normal, you know, 630 00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:44.119 to take the precaution and not bad an eye. And 631 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.759 so again when masks, you know, obviously I don't think 632 00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.039 anyone enjoyed having to wear masks all the time in 633 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.079 every place, but I was sort of hoping that it 634 00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.319 would normalize a little bit, like, well, but if you 635 00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.079 aren't feeling well, the least you can do is this 636 00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:02.200 sort of thing or not made to feel weird. If 637 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:04.319 you get on an airplane and you're going to visit 638 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.440 an elderly person, which I've it's happened for me, and 639 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:09.079 it's like, well, I'm gonna put on a mask because 640 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.000 I I'm going to be hanging out with this person 641 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:13.240 in the nineties for a week. And I would say 642 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:15.319 kind of got there. 643 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:19.880 Well, there is sort of the the dickishness that we 644 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.480 see of people pulling off the masks of other people. 645 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:27.559 See you now that yeah exactly, And I'm like, you don't, 646 00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.400 just yeah exactly, Just don't don't here's an idea. 647 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.480 Just mind your own effing business, Mind your own fing business. Yep, 648 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:36.480 I completely agree. 649 00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:43.759 I do enjoy this uh kind of like respect slash 650 00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:47.440 adversarial relationship between Morgan Freeman and Dustin Hoffman just because 651 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:49.799 they're great actors and they have great voices. 652 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:51.559 That's right, and starting intentive. 653 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.000 Yeah, like hearing them go toe to toe is just 654 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:55.000 pleasing to listen to. 655 00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.759 A great comedian could make a meal out of a 656 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:04.319 Dustin Hoffman Morgan Freeman conversation, just playing both sides of that. Yeah. 657 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.000 But yeah, But so going back into the story here 658 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:12.039 the opening sequence, we see two characters. There's that ship again. 659 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.320 It's weird to think I've like stomped around that thing 660 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:21.239 two characters in the sixties in these hazmat suits. 661 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:22.400 Where you do not see the faces. 662 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.920 Yes, that's right, and that's supposed to be the Donald 663 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:27.599 Sutherland and Morgan Freeman characters. 664 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:29.119 Correct, that's right. 665 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:31.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is funny because now you would 666 00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:33.760 just dage them or something, right, but maybe they could. 667 00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:39.159 I think the idea was to keep it somewhat opaque, 668 00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.840 whether it was them or not, like, yeah, possibly see 669 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.519 you look at McDreamy is the guy who fs everything up. Yeah, 670 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.119 it's causing trouble even back then. This is here, right 671 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:51.960 here in the Bay Area is where where all this 672 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.639 ship starts. Yep, San Jose. 673 00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.920 What an interesting car to give that character. It's like 674 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:04.039 a nineteen four already's you know, like total classic classic 675 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:11.079 kind of car, Like what's the story there? But yeah, 676 00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:13.599 you know, you watch a movie like this and everything 677 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:18.000 goes south because of a chain of stupid events, right, 678 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.599 And it's hard to watch those events in a movie 679 00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:24.559 where you know they're going to be bad. But then 680 00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:27.000 you just think about, like, I don't know, this dude 681 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:28.920 just kind of made a buck couple bucks on the 682 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:32.559 side doing one little gnarly thing, not realizing he was 683 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:34.559 doing himself and potentially the world. 684 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.960 Yeah, I mean that's that's kind of the thing, right 685 00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:41.480 is as I actually appreciated that the Dempsey character Jimbo, 686 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:43.760 who in my head canon is the adult version of 687 00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:48.960 the kid from The Simpsons, I could see that he's 688 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.800 he's not like malevolent, you know exactly, like he's not 689 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.159 like you stupid monkeys and you know doing that. Yeah, 690 00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.440 he's just an idiot, He's he's he's an absor rribably 691 00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:05.280 stupid person, no doubt. Yeah, but not not a malicious force. 692 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.719 You know. Yeah, I like that too. 693 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:10.719 It's just again, it's a series of events that you 694 00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:13.679 I mean, they're never okay, what he's doing, this is bad, 695 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.880 but like, all right, I can believe that might happen, 696 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.079 you know, but due to these things. 697 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:23.840 You know, as soon as the monkey sits in his 698 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:26.480 mouth over here by the way that you're like, oh, 699 00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:35.280 that's not good. It's so gross. 700 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.519 Sorry you were saying, no, no, it's just you know 701 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.320 what I'm saying, Like, you just think about the decisions 702 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.480 you make in your life, and every now and then 703 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.679 you make like one maybe I shouldn't have done that. 704 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:48.880 But then you like you watch a movie like this 705 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:50.880 and you're like, what if that one little thing that 706 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.159 you felt bad about for five seconds but then moved 707 00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:56.320 on from, like possibly meant the end of the world. 708 00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.400 Well that's you know, this is so random. I was 709 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.239 having a discussion with somebody where I was like, you know, 710 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:07.679 it's a real blessing that we don't have nonlinear awareness 711 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.360 of time, you know, oh man, yeah, right, Like all 712 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.480 we can do is experience things in the moment, and 713 00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:19.000 we we can't look back at the sea of choices 714 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:20.440 that we might have made and everything. It's just it 715 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:22.840 happens and we move on, and like, what a gift 716 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:24.159 that is. I know. 717 00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.280 It's like that scene in The Matrix right where the 718 00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:29.679 oracle is like, it's okay about the vase, don't worry 719 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:31.360 about it. Yeah, and he knocks over the vase and 720 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:33.760 she's like, would you have done it if I hadn't 721 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:34.239 said anything? 722 00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:35.000 Yeah? You know. 723 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:37.599 So it's like, yeah, your brain would be twist into 724 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.480 like a pretzel just trying to undo and think about 725 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:47.000 the decisions. So now the Patrick Dempsey character, he is 726 00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:50.960 basically just in cohoots with that pet store owner. 727 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:51.119 Right. 728 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.159 He wants to breed monkeys. Is that what's happening? 729 00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:55.920 He's like, he's selling rare, rare animals. Yeah, and so 730 00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:59.079 the pets, right, he wanted a male to breed with 731 00:37:59.119 --> 00:37:59.719 the female. 732 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.519 Yeah, so he could make more monkeys and sell them. 733 00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:04.239 I guess that's right. Yeah. 734 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.880 So this isn't something that this guy Dempsey's doing all 735 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:08.960 the time. He's not just stealing monkeys. This was like 736 00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:12.559 a one time I'll bring you this. I mean, I would. 737 00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.039 Assume this is not the first time he's done this, right, 738 00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:16.920 I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 739 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.519 I mean it's not like he's taking one every month 740 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:21.480 and that guy's just selling them. It seems like there's 741 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.119 like an even bigger plot here. 742 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:28.639 Yeah. Well, I guess it's like vague enough that you know, 743 00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.559 one presumes they have some kind of an ongoing relationship, you. 744 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.920 Know, yeah, yeah, this is and this is just so ominous, right, 745 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.760 like you know, this monkey is carrying something, and just 746 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.320 the way the camera even cranes up watching him just 747 00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:44.920 like skidaddle into the woods, like well, into the world. 748 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:45.280 You go. 749 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:49.519 Yeah, yeap, now here, this is going to back you 750 00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:51.360 up where you're not eating the leftovers. 751 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.960 Yeah right, okay, well a couple of quick Number one, 752 00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.400 dumb ass here is feeling like shit and he doesn't 753 00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:02.239 say to the kid, hey, no, I'm not feeling well, right, yes, 754 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.079 so that's weird. Number two, this kid, look, obviously it's 755 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.360 good he doesn't like eat it. But also, I'm just 756 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.519 gonna put this out there. I'm not saying I don't 757 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:11.000 think it would have hurt the gene pool if he 758 00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.920 did get it, because this kid's not not a smart kid, 759 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:15.559 you know. 760 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.119 And I love to by the way, I love that 761 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:21.760 the mom is like, dude, you look terrible. Like she 762 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:23.519 didn't say it, but you see it on her face. 763 00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:25.719 Like a lot of times in movies like this, you 764 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.719 see a character and we know they're sick and they 765 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.360 have to overdo it, so we you got it, this 766 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:33.360 character's sick. But other characters will be like, hey, you 767 00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:36.000 want to open mouth kiss, you know, with that person, 768 00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:38.119 and you're like, what are you thinking? They're bleeding from 769 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:39.320 their eyeballs. Can't you see that? 770 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.280 I like this right here, Yeah, you. 771 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:43.639 See she does the stupid thing. 772 00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:47.519 Yeah, she sees how he looks, and then she swaps 773 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.159 spit with him for about a minute and a half. Yeah, 774 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.840 I'm like again, but I'm just gonna put this out there. 775 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:59.880 Gene Pool not affected, probably doing the species of favor. 776 00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:04.519 This is pretty effective though, by the way, this spinny 777 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.239 camera thing, oh no, it's great. Yeah, sometimes that can 778 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:10.360 kind of annoy me, but this feels very effective how 779 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:14.400 he's feeling. Oh this is crazy too. Anytimes someone falls 780 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.960 over a like a wall full of glass or whatever, 781 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.559 it's always I. 782 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.440 Read a thing on I think this is IMDb trivia 783 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:24.960 where it's like when he falls over the fish tanks 784 00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:28.840 they had plastic fish instead of real fish. I'm like, no, shit, really, 785 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:31.280 thanks for putting that in there. I mean they didn't 786 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:33.679 kill actual fish while making it, you know, like come on, 787 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:36.440 well in the seventies, maybe they would have. I don't know. 788 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:37.320 That's a good point. 789 00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:38.760 You know, it's funny. 790 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:40.559 Oh this is so gross. Okay now now hold on, 791 00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.360 Now let's think about this for a second. Okay again, 792 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.400 helping the gene pool in my opinion, yes, think about this. 793 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:54.440 He's doing. Think about this. Now, hold on, Brian. He 794 00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:58.280 is distracted by the game, right, Yes, he's listening to 795 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:02.320 it on the radio, right right. He doesn't need to 796 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:04.840 look away. What was he distracted by? Yes? 797 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:06.400 Yes, so basically, I. 798 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.039 Mean for people who aren't watching along. 799 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:09.800 There's what do you call those things where you put 800 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.679 those tubes of blood or plasma or whatever and they 801 00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.639 spin really fast. Yeah, and you see them in laboratories. 802 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:17.840 And this guy, like what Zaki is saying is he's 803 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:20.840 not like looking away at a television, there's nothing distracting 804 00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:25.199 him visually, but he looks toward this radio and just 805 00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:30.000 randomly or not randomly, he's purposefully sticks his hand into 806 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:32.679 that thing as it's still spinning. Breaks the vials and 807 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:36.039 blood splatters everywhere like a horror movie. And then he 808 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:37.480 starts rubbing his eyes. 809 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:42.480 Yeah yeah, I know, just just the absolute worst. 810 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.320 Going back real quick, this is so stupid, but you 811 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:46.719 know this movie's over two hours. 812 00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:50.760 Real quick before you. Yeah, the real the centrifugias that 813 00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:55.840 actually do that. They lock so if a hand no, 814 00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.320 if it's spinning, like you can't just stick your hand 815 00:41:58.320 --> 00:41:59.719 in there. Right. Oh, I see what you're saying, Like 816 00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:03.360 like like a laundry machine exactly, there's like a mechanism. 817 00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:05.480 It can't be opened if it's not so again, this 818 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:06.599 is a contrivance of the movie. 819 00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.079 Anyway, go on, well, like the suits, like you were saying, 820 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.440 they're only going one way. No, I was just gonna 821 00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:13.239 point out again the boy who tries to grab the 822 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.639 cookie on the airplane. It's kind of funny how he's 823 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:19.079 dressed up in this like old timey cowboy outfit, which 824 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:20.800 I don't know about you, but I don't think any 825 00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:22.719 of us were dressed like that in the nineteen nineties. 826 00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.599 Doesn't it feel like someone who was like forty plus 827 00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.679 years old in the nineties, Like, Yeah, when I was 828 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:29.400 a kid, I used to dress up like a cowboy, 829 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:29.760 when I was like. 830 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:33.920 He's dressed like Woody in anticipation of that movie's release, 831 00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:38.760 in anticipation. Yes, he's a big fan of Pixar, even 832 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:40.360 though that was their first movie. 833 00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:43.880 Right, But like, that's that funny phenomenon sometimes where you're like, 834 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.679 we grew up aware of that being a thing for kids, 835 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.559 because everything we watched was written by people who were kids, 836 00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:51.800 you know, thirty years in the past. 837 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:55.480 That's that's so true, you know. I had that thought yesterday. 838 00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.880 I was watching something. Oh, I was watching Superman, the 839 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.039 first of the original movie, and it's the scene it's 840 00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:06.119 like Clark Kent pulls up in the taxi to the 841 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:09.199 Daily Planet and the cab driver goes Daily Planet Mac 842 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.719 or something like that, and I was like, did people 843 00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:15.679 ever actually call each other mac? Yes, that's right, And 844 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.559 I just kind of got lost in that, like that's 845 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.039 a thing that like we accept as a as a 846 00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.960 shorthand refer but I'm like, no one in my life 847 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:28.440 has ever said mac to somebody unless their name was Mac. 848 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:28.760 You know. 849 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.119 Yeah, that was like I've told this story before, but 850 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.559 when I worked on Puppy Dog Pals, I pitched an 851 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.039 episode that involved a sock hop, okay, And I was like, 852 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:43.159 I mean, that is just entirely irrelevant now in the 853 00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.599 twenty twenties, but like, that's something I grew up aware 854 00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:48.639 of because the people writing the things that I was 855 00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:51.360 watching as a kid knew about sock ops, you know, 856 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:54.119 but somehow it carries on. And actually I was like, 857 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.719 I hope, I'm I'm keeping it alive in some way. 858 00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:00.800 I think you've given it oxygen. Somebody somewhere watch that show, 859 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:04.159 will make a movie involving a sock cop, and it'll 860 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.360 be because of you. Yep. Let's hope that's your contribution 861 00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:13.800 to our literary lineage. So this is gross. 862 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:18.960 So Rene Russo just opened up a guy and basically 863 00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:23.000 said his insides are liquefied, which I guess is kind 864 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:24.760 of what happened with Ebola, right. 865 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:29.559 That's right, yeah, I mean it's it's the Motaba virus 866 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:33.320 in this film is like Ebola on steroids, right right, right, 867 00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:40.599 because because you're you're given like instant exposure, one hundred 868 00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:45.480 percent death within you know, forty eight hours or something ridiculous, which, 869 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:49.039 thank goodness, knock on wood, we're not there yet in 870 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:55.480 terms of Vira viruses whatever I feel like. Me saying 871 00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:59.760 that is like jinxing the world. Yeah. God's like, oh 872 00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:05.159 you're yeah. But you know, it works in terms of 873 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:09.199 the drama for the movie because it creates the sense 874 00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.440 in the audience of just like, well, okay, so the 875 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.000 guy's in the movie theater, dumb ass with the centrifuge 876 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:18.440 yep is in the Now this scene here where his 877 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.800 germs are just going out in the way that stays 878 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:26.199 with you. That's a formative movie watching moment for me. 879 00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:30.199 The concept of this, yes, because you're watching the spittle Yeah, 880 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.039 I mean like very very small, small small bits of it, Yeah, 881 00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:36.519 go out of his mouth and the camera follows it, 882 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:38.480 and then it goes into the mouth of a woman 883 00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:42.079 rows away from him with her mouth open. So yeah, 884 00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:44.599 the concept then thinking of someone coughing in a theater 885 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:49.119 and now you can imagine this in the air. And actually, 886 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.440 when I saw Conclave a couple of weeks ago, there's 887 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.599 a guy behind me coughing through the whole movie, and 888 00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.000 I was like, I was literally like, of all the 889 00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:58.760 seats I had to pick in this theater, and I 890 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:01.280 just kept thinking about him, Yeah, And I was like, 891 00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:02.800 why do you want to be here. 892 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:07.239 Yeah. See, that's that's the weird thing. Yeah, I mean 893 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.239 with this, the guy in the movie, this in this 894 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.480 in the film, who's at the movies. I'm willing to 895 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:17.480 presume that he didn't feel that bad when he went 896 00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:18.000 to the theater. 897 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:20.320 Yeah, it's it's advancing quickly. 898 00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.880 Yeah. Yeah, so that that's that's my that's what makes 899 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:29.360 it make sense for me. Yeah, I'll buy that. There 900 00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:33.480 you go, where's my no price? You know. It's funny. 901 00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:35.760 And the way I rationalized it away was like with 902 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:37.840 the guy at conclave, or at least tried to comfort myself. 903 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:41.239 I was like, well, typically coughing happens after you've been 904 00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:44.480 hit and it's like the result of what you went. 905 00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.159 Through and draining and whatnot. So hopefully he's on the 906 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.559 other end of it. Yeah, yeah, there you go. And 907 00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:54.480 I didn't get sick so appy ending. 908 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:56.679 Yeah, but this is like this is horrifying, man. So 909 00:46:56.719 --> 00:47:01.119 it's like, yeah, you have, you know, dozens and dozens 910 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:07.199 of people pouring into the er here all sick, like 911 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.239 this has got to be I mean, watching this movie 912 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:11.599 as a doctor, well you think about one of the 913 00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:13.760 writers being a doctor, and that's what he said. This 914 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.199 was his worst case scenario. What if there's someone in 915 00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.320 there spreading something I'm not aware of and don't understand, 916 00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.880 and they could be giving it to me. Right, That's 917 00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:23.960 what we're seeing, And it's kind of a scary image 918 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.079 imagining that room and just people pouring in with something 919 00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:29.800 you don't understand in droves. 920 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:34.639 Yeah, I mean that, And that's what was happening, you know, 921 00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:41.360 when when the rona first first kicked up. Yeah. Yeah. 922 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.920 By the way, so we see this Renee Russo and 923 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.400 her peeps in this office and they're just celebrating here 924 00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:49.280 for a second and everyone throws papers in the air. 925 00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.320 Looks good on film, but does that make a lot 926 00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:57.639 of sense. I was just thinking, like, A, you're losing track. 927 00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.159 Of whatever it was you were holding in your hands, 928 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.639 and b there's like a moment after Yay, we're high 929 00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:04.599 fiving and hugging where everyone has to bend over and 930 00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.440 like and like pick up everything off the ground. 931 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:17.199 I don't know, I I kind of I do like 932 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.480 that what you were talking to with regards to the 933 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:25.840 relationship between Freeman and Hoffman's characters, that we're not entirely 934 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.280 sure where Billy is on the on the you know, 935 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:35.119 on the on the gray shade spectrum, right, And I 936 00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.360 think that that creates some drama. I think on some level, 937 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.119 you're like, yeah, it is Morgan Freeman. He's not gonna 938 00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:43.719 be the right, you know. I I also I was thinking. 939 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:45.280 I was as I was watching it, I was like, 940 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:51.639 do we did we need the military bioweapon plot line? Like? 941 00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:56.559 Is that is that necessary for the movie to have drama? 942 00:48:57.679 --> 00:48:57.840 You know? 943 00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:01.199 It's so funny. That is one of the factors that 944 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:06.599 sort of makes it feel a little less real world. Yes, 945 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.719 like more heightened action film, right, kind of a thing. 946 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.320 I don't know, Yeah, I mean like a cover up 947 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:16.320 trying to protect a cover up would be enough for 948 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:17.000 me personally. 949 00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:23.400 Yeah, like like the whole, the whole Donald Sutherland of 950 00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:27.000 it all, with the you know he he his black 951 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.880 hat is wearing a black hat, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 952 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:34.079 I do kind of love that that. Donald Sutherland plays 953 00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:40.400 like the kindest medical military doctor you could want, Hawkeye Piers, 954 00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.880 and then he plays like the most evil military doctor 955 00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:47.960 ever in this true. Yeah, that's true. The man had range, 956 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.079 That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's funny. I had to 957 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:52.719 do some gymnastics in my mind because I was like, 958 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:59.920 Hawkeye's that's Alan Alda, Yeah, in in our multiversal mash. 959 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.960 Yeah, yeah, but I do. 960 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.280 There's something really compelling that you almost like fill in 961 00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.519 your chest when you're watching a movie about someone who's 962 00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:13.760 smart and you know they're right, but they're facing all 963 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.960 this opposition, and it's like you want to think you'd 964 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:19.239 be the guy who'd go the extra mile that's right, 965 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:23.000 because we know that if he doesn't, you know, all 966 00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:26.559 these lives could be lost. Like, there's something really compelling. 967 00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:28.719 About that well and in that vein, right. I think 968 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.440 that's what I like about having Hoffman in this movie 969 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:36.519 is like when you say Sylvester Stallone rights, like, you know, 970 00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.360 I think I think Stallone is good at what he does, 971 00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:41.199 and at this time there were I just I have 972 00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:46.119 a hard time seeing him in this role and and 973 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:50.239 not making it seem like, well, his success is inevitable. 974 00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.599 That's a really good point. Yeah. Yeah. 975 00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.360 You imagine him sort of like knocking out someone standing 976 00:50:56.360 --> 00:51:00.760 in his way and being like, that's my final diagnosis. 977 00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:03.480 Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. 978 00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:07.239 I think Hoffman's perfect for this to carry a different 979 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:08.920 sort of dramatic weight. 980 00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:13.679 Although you know what's interesting is he was very self 981 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:17.599 conscious about how he like Wolf King Peterson talked about 982 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:19.639 how like there would be scenes where it's like he's 983 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:21.039 got to go here and he's got to turn like this, 984 00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:22.320 and he's like, well, I don't know how it's gonna 985 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:24.280 look and doing all this and I don't know which 986 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:26.440 you know, it really kind of just stuck in his 987 00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:28.199 own head, you know, because he doesn't do these types 988 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:33.320 of movies, and so there were literally moments where he's 989 00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:35.639 telling Wolf Computerson, look to show me how you want 990 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:37.760 me to do it, and he's like, turn like this. 991 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:42.559 Like so he's acting for Dustin Hoffman. Isn't that fascinating? Right? 992 00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:45.360 And just feeling good. But here's the thing, because he 993 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.800 knew that he was like the third choice, right or 994 00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:50.400 the fourth choice. So he literally would say, like I 995 00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.239 bet Harrison Ford could have done that. You know, that's 996 00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:54.800 really fascinating. You know. 997 00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:56.519 I have a story I can't I can tell you 998 00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:59.360 off air, but I was working on a movie and 999 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:03.559 it was in near the offices of the studio and 1000 00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:06.519 we were waiting on this guy, okay, one of the executives, 1001 00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.880 and everyone's like where is He's like, well, pretty famous 1002 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:15.000 actor is freaking out on set just basically in his 1003 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:17.800 own head thinks he's not good, can't finish this movie. 1004 00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:19.639 And so the guy was up there talking him off 1005 00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:22.360 a ledge and I was like really, yeah, like it's 1006 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.800 just fascinating, it is, you know. I mean, they're the 1007 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:27.800 end of the day. You think they're confident, and you 1008 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:29.920 know they have all the accolades, but there's still just 1009 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.320 human beings, you know, and there's a lot of weight, 1010 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:36.159 a lot of you know, big budgeted movie and they're 1011 00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:37.280 the face of it. 1012 00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:40.360 Well and to that point, I mean, this movie costs 1013 00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:44.800 fifty million, which you know, that's that's like the craft 1014 00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:47.360 services budget on Hollywood movies these days, or. 1015 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:49.719 At least the Russo Brothers Netflix movies. 1016 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:54.239 Yeah it's good, lord, Yeah, the Russo Brothers latest movie. 1017 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:57.320 I saw, I saw the budget. You're gonna this is crazy. 1018 00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:01.679 It was infinity dollars. I didn't know that was a number, 1019 00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:06.480 but the Russo spent it. Yeah, no, but fifty million. 1020 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:10.599 So like, certainly up to that time, it was the 1021 00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:18.719 biggest budget movie that Dustin Hoffman appeared in, maybe maybe 1022 00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:22.039 barring hook well, but that but you didn't there was 1023 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.000 in there that I was not sorry that was relying 1024 00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:29.519 on him like he was the guy. Sure right, because 1025 00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:31.320 hook is like a two hander, right, I mean people 1026 00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:33.480 are going to show up for Robin Williams, sure, sure, sure, yeah, 1027 00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:38.599 yeah that's right. But like this, this is a Hoffman joint, right. Yeah. 1028 00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:40.960 People weren't like, oh, the guy from Lightning Jack is 1029 00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.920 in this. Yeah yeah, that was just. 1030 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:52.239 Me in that little theater in Glen Ellen. But it 1031 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:56.079 did okay. In the US it did sixty seven million, 1032 00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:58.880 but worldwide it did one hundred and ninety million. 1033 00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:03.159 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, look, this is let's 1034 00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:06.920 normalize moderate budgets that allow for moderate success. 1035 00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:11.760 Absolutely, absolutely, But you can see why this would translate worldwide, 1036 00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.719 just the concept of this, You could it could be 1037 00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:15.920 anywhere in the world. 1038 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:16.280 Really. 1039 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:24.480 Yeah, I feel like it's gonna say something that I 1040 00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:33.039 totally forget never mind, but yeah, this is like, I 1041 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:34.559 don't know, almost feels like science fiction. 1042 00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:38.119 Well at least I'm you know, this very obnoxious of 1043 00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:40.360 me to say as someone living in the US in 1044 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:46.760 the nineties, you know, picturing like small town USA and 1045 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.880 the whole town coming down with something. Yeah, you know 1046 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.760 what I mean, Like it's kind of a scary. We 1047 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.480 always talk about fantasy in your backyard. Usually that has 1048 00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:59.679 to do with something, you know, like positive, you know, 1049 00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:01.840 like tea lands in your backyard. What would that be 1050 00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:05.400 like in my suburban neighborhood. But this is like the 1051 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:10.079 whole you know, what if this crazy epidemic happened in 1052 00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:12.519 my neighborhood, what would that look like? You know, it 1053 00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:14.800 could happen at you're a movie theater. Hey, you're in 1054 00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.519 a movie theater right now watching this, Like that guy 1055 00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:19.840 that just coughed five seconds ago, that could lead to 1056 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:25.800 you know, everyone in your neighborhood being in Gurney's. 1057 00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.239 I'm imagining like people watching this in the theater, and 1058 00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:33.920 there's that one guy who actually has a legitimate cough, 1059 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.400 like a corn colonel stuck in his throat or something, right, 1060 00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:39.519 and he's suppressing that because he doesn't want to get murdered, 1061 00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:47.559 right exactly. You know, we got like a CG shot there, right, Yeah, 1062 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:49.639 that's right. It looks like this is going terrible where 1063 00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:50.719 it was going through the vent. 1064 00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:55.760 Yeah, So this is Hoffman realizing that the virus is airborne, right, 1065 00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:58.360 because he looks up at the vent and then we 1066 00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:01.880 take the camera through the vent going to another room 1067 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:05.639 and see like everyone's catching it, like, oh, I. 1068 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:06.519 Like the arc of this guy. 1069 00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:08.199 By the way, I don't know his name, but the 1070 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:10.400 guy with the white hair and the mustle yes. 1071 00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:14.039 Yes, oh, I actually do know his name. It's uh oh, 1072 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.480 damn it. I had it pulled up. I had the 1073 00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.920 whole castle's pulled up. But anyway, on well, he just 1074 00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:21.480 seems like a guy doing his job. 1075 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.360 And then Donald Sutherland's basically bulling him around and he 1076 00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:25.880 gets that moment at the end where he gets to 1077 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:26.440 arrest him. 1078 00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:30.840 That's the thing is is Sutherland treats him like such 1079 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:34.519 a piece of shit. You're like, oh, man, his uppus 1080 00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:39.119 is coming. Yeah. Dale Die that's the actor's name, Dale 1081 00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:45.079 de Die Wow. Yeah. And he's you know, he's a 1082 00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:50.280 famous like technical advisor for you know, like military, like 1083 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:53.360 you know, Band of Brothers and that stuff. So he 1084 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:56.760 certainly looks it. He's got the looks. He's got a haircut, 1085 00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:00.039 Brian that you could set your watch too. That's right. 1086 00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:05.079 For people who don't know. That's a quote from The Simpsons. 1087 00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:11.480 Homer's dad says Johnny Unitas as a he has a 1088 00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:13.079 like a crew cut, and he's like, that's a haircut. 1089 00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.320 You can set your watch too. And I believed that 1090 00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:19.039 was an actual expression after watching that, and I was 1091 00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.000 in a writer's room and I said it, and everyone 1092 00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:23.719 was like, what what does that mean? And I was 1093 00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:26.119 trying to convince him it was an actual expression, and 1094 00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:27.800 I had to go on Google and be like, oh, 1095 00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:29.360 I guess that's made that up. 1096 00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:35.239 But doesn't it just make sense? It absolutely does anyway, 1097 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:38.679 you know exactly what he's saying. Yeah, So this scene here, 1098 00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:44.639 I was watching this, and I was appreciating the idea 1099 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:48.679 that this is what specialists in this field do, right, 1100 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:51.519 they have this, you know that they are driven and 1101 00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:54.639 and they're trying to lay out in a methodical fashion. 1102 00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:57.719 And we want to believe that that there are people 1103 00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.920 who are truly selfless who care about stopping this type 1104 00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:04.199 of stuff. And I believe that is the case in fact, 1105 00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:06.920 you know, absolutely, Yeah, And you know, I mean that's 1106 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.039 that's the thing is is, you know, over the last 1107 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:13.480 several decades, we've really there's there's a there has been 1108 00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:20.280 a robust international apparatus set up to monitor and combat 1109 00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:23.800 viruses and new viruses, and you know, I think, again, 1110 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:25.360 just going back to what we were saying, earlier. You know, 1111 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:28.199 this sort of this anti science moment that we're in 1112 00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:34.000 risks knocking down these really foundational pillars that are going 1113 00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:36.440 to end up redounding back to us in ways that 1114 00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:41.079 we haven't fully reckoned with because we rely on knowing 1115 00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:43.239 what the World Health Organization is saying and what and 1116 00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:46.119 you know all of this stuff. I mean, it's it's 1117 00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:49.760 it's we are a truly interconnected world in a way 1118 00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:54.519 that we we need the expertise of scientists all over 1119 00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:55.039 the planet. 1120 00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:59.400 Yeah, don't we want people who are smart and understand 1121 00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:01.159 this stuff to be on top of it so we 1122 00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:02.440 don't have to worry about it. 1123 00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:06.039 Yeah, exactly right. Like when when you look at things 1124 00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:09.320 such as a bola and even even HIV for that matter, 1125 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:13.280 that are you know, that are epidemics in in Africa 1126 00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:15.239 and other parts of the world, It's like, you know, 1127 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:19.960 part of what our country has done is give resources 1128 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.760 and expertise to combat those there so that they don't 1129 00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:28.360 become problems here. Yeah, you know, and so in in 1130 00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:30.880 that vein this is what I like about scenes like 1131 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:37.639 this where Hoffman's character he's he's showing his dedication and 1132 00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:39.960 his passion. Why because it's about saving lives. You know, 1133 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.559 we talk about this a lot, right, expertise in service 1134 00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:48.280 of of something noble, you know, And and I love 1135 00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:53.599 he has this line here where where Freeman's like, you 1136 00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:57.119 were never here and right now and he says, no, 1137 00:59:57.199 --> 01:00:00.320 I was here. I followed the bug here, I've always 1138 01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:03.679 been here. Yeah, you know, like that's what you want, 1139 01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:05.199 That's what you want. 1140 01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:11.559 Absolutely yeah, yeah, driven smart people, you know, working hard 1141 01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:13.719 on something. It's it's compelling to watch. I mean, we're 1142 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:17.039 just talking about that with that movie September fifth. We're 1143 01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:20.559 big fans of, you know, competence porn, watching people who 1144 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:25.119 are smart, who are stymied in the moment but are 1145 01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:28.519 putting their smarts to use. And we're watching them like 1146 01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:30.280 you were saying when we were seeing spacing in front 1147 01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:34.400 of that whiteboard, you know, just all right, like I 1148 01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:36.639 got a marker on a whiteboard and we're gonna figure 1149 01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:36.960 this out. 1150 01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.400 And it's very satisfying and complete. It really is, it 1151 01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:41.920 really is, you know, Yeah. 1152 01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:43.440 And you want to believe that we've got people like 1153 01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:46.039 that in the real world, you know, on top of 1154 01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:46.480 things for. 1155 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:48.480 Us, I think we do, you know, I mean, when 1156 01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:54.280 we talk about COVID, right, like the fact that this 1157 01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:58.000 amazing group of scientists all over the world were able 1158 01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:02.039 to come up with a vaccine in in such a 1159 01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:05.400 short window. It's remarkable, it really is. I mean it 1160 01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:11.039 was like a year. Yeah, it's amazing, incredible. I mean 1161 01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:13.719 that whole process it was literally called Operation Warp Speed 1162 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:17.599 and they did it, you know, And and it's weird. 1163 01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:21.239 I mean, I'm sorry, the only tangentially connected to the movie, 1164 01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:25.519 But I'm like, what an achievement that people don't want 1165 01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:26.280 to acknowledge. 1166 01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:28.880 I was just gonna say, you're making me think, well, 1167 01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:31.000 I want the book on that. Yeah, I want to 1168 01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:32.320 read that Race around the Clock. 1169 01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:33.760 That's right story. 1170 01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:36.800 And the people who were involved in what they went 1171 01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:41.639 through and sacrificed, and the revelations you know that happened, 1172 01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:43.199 and the Eureka moments. 1173 01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:45.599 It's got to be some kind of a great mini 1174 01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:46.760 series out of that at least. 1175 01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:50.119 Yeah, definitely, it's weird to think that would be politically 1176 01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:51.679 charged in this moment, which is. 1177 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:55.719 That which is so unfortunate it really is, you know, yeah, yeah, 1178 01:01:56.079 --> 01:02:02.559 I mean knowledge should not be a partisan position, you know, 1179 01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:10.039 the having or not having of knowledge, it's not you know, yeah, 1180 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:13.079 I just I think, yeah, I was no good. Sorry, yeah, no, Well, 1181 01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:17.960 I think this scene here is reflective of what likely 1182 01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:22.320 would happen in terms of these folks who are trying 1183 01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:26.280 to to you know, ram their way out of a barricade. 1184 01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:30.199 I mean, that's like you were saying earlier in our conversation, like, hey, 1185 01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:35.079 you know, the same as always seems like you know it. 1186 01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:36.760 Is, isn't it funny? I mean it almost. I mean, 1187 01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:41.559 obviously this is a very heightened version, but it I'm 1188 01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:44.159 sure some people felt this way, you know. 1189 01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.360 But here, okay, hold on a second. So so this 1190 01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:49.960 helicopter is shooting like machine guns at you, and so 1191 01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:52.960 dumbass is gonna shoot at them with a rifle. 1192 01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:57.400 I know, I know, I mean I I almost hesitate 1193 01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:58.800 to even admit it. But when I was watching and 1194 01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:00.480 I was like, what'd. 1195 01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:01.760 You think was gonna happen? Yeah, Like I didn't even 1196 01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:02.320 feel bad. 1197 01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:07.199 I was like, you know, like, dot, don't fire at 1198 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:09.119 a military helicopter that's firing at you. 1199 01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:11.280 How do you think that story ends? You know? 1200 01:03:11.400 --> 01:03:17.559 Yeah, but it's just the sentiment. Like I said, obviously 1201 01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:20.880 this is very heightened scenario, but the sentiment of feeling 1202 01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.920 like you're being locked into a place. 1203 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:23.519 Yeah. 1204 01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:26.000 I was like, Wow, how weird that we would have 1205 01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:29.480 a whole different sort of experience of that feeling thirty 1206 01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:32.920 years after this movie came out, But then also putting 1207 01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:34.880 myself in a movie theater in nineteen ninety five. What 1208 01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:37.760 a scary when I say, like the fantasy in your backyard, 1209 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.400 What a scary situation to think there could be a 1210 01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:43.760 situation where I'm locked into my town and literally, you know, 1211 01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:46.880 a barricade could be put up and if I left, helicopters. 1212 01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:49.119 Would fire at me. Yeah. 1213 01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:51.280 But you can imagine too. I mean, this isn't sort 1214 01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:53.679 of like a flu like virus. I mean this is 1215 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:57.119 like a really turn your insides into. 1216 01:03:57.679 --> 01:03:58.800 A hemorrhagic fever. 1217 01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:01.320 Yeah, like you you cannot let this get out of 1218 01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:02.400 this barrier. 1219 01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:07.119 Yeah. And and what's scary is that again this is 1220 01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:09.960 this is on steroids, but it's based in the reality 1221 01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:13.800 of a whole family of viruses that do exist, correct, right, 1222 01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.079 which is I mean that's terrifying to think about, right, Like, 1223 01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:19.000 like you look at it, Bola and there's one hundred 1224 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:28.599 percent fatality rate. You know, I can imagine that, you know. Yeah, Yeah, 1225 01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:34.639 the whole the whole notion. By the way, this town 1226 01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:37.199 it's Cedar Creek in the movie. I forget what it 1227 01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:39.039 was called in real life, but it's it's a northern 1228 01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:44.360 California town. It's about like up near Sacramento. I think 1229 01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:47.840 they shot like Salem's Lot here, hm, which tell me 1230 01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:53.199 this doesn't look like the town that would be Salem's Lot. Yeah. 1231 01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:56.599 But but the whole, the whole concept of executing a 1232 01:04:56.679 --> 01:05:01.119 lockdown to this degree, like you realize, like we did 1233 01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:05.079 not have lockdowns during COVID, right, right, and that sort 1234 01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:07.320 of became the shorthand right oh, lockdown. It's like, no, 1235 01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:10.559 we were just asked very politely, like just stay away 1236 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:11.360 from people, you know. 1237 01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:15.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we were able to go to 1238 01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:18.360 target and we were able to do the things. 1239 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:20.920 We needed to do. That's right, Yeah, that's exactly right. 1240 01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:31.880 I wondered seeing all those helicopters in the sky. I 1241 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:35.639 imagine those were probably like CG is some certain I 1242 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:37.719 thought for the ninety five it looked pretty good. 1243 01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:40.800 That I didn't even think about that. Yeah, I must 1244 01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:42.320 have been CG right, Well not I mean, not all 1245 01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.440 of them, but at least a few, yeah, yeah, making 1246 01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:48.400 it look like much more. I think that Wolfgang Peterson 1247 01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:53.199 was a very talented director, and I think he was 1248 01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:56.239 good at these types of thrillers. 1249 01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:59.719 You know what's funny, I'm going to agree with you, 1250 01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:02.199 but I feel like by the way that woman that's 1251 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:04.880 so so horrifying image like blood coming out of the eyes, 1252 01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:10.320 I think I might have had him in my mind 1253 01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:14.840 as a different sort of director. Oh that's interesting, because 1254 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:17.280 I feel like he was this person who I mean, 1255 01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:21.840 Doss Boot sure is much celebrated, and so in my 1256 01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:25.039 mind it was like, oh, Wolfgang Peterson, like he does 1257 01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:27.000 these sort of elevated well. 1258 01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:29.840 He also did the never Ending Story, so you know, true. 1259 01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:32.320 Well, I was gonna say, but I'm realizing that, No, 1260 01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:35.400 he really was just kind of a talented blockbuster director. 1261 01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:40.880 Yeah, just a pulpy yeah, pulpy mid level thrillers. 1262 01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:42.559 You know, totally totally air force one. 1263 01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:44.280 This in the Line of Fire. 1264 01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:47.480 In Line of Fire, of course, which I think maybe 1265 01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:49.440 in my mind might be my favorite of his. 1266 01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:51.639 I definitely agree with that. Yeah. 1267 01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:54.039 Yeah, like, have you ever seen Doss Boot by the way, 1268 01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:55.360 have you I have seen. 1269 01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:57.559 Us put Yeah it's good. Yeah, it's a good movie. Yeah, 1270 01:06:57.559 --> 01:07:02.599 you're you're gonna procnew Okay, he of we just saw 1271 01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:05.800 him in a bunch of movies last year. I feel like, yeah, 1272 01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:08.800 oh he was yeah, because we did the Dune commentary. 1273 01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:10.960 He was lado A Tredees in the Oh right, that's right, 1274 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:14.280 that's right. And he's he's the guy in Air Force one, 1275 01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:20.880 you know, the general who like the bad guys want released. Yes, right, 1276 01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:23.599 and you see him like walking out of the prison. Yes, 1277 01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:26.480 and that's that's Urgen Prognous. I assume he just he 1278 01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:28.320 just it's like a non speaking rold Hey, probably just 1279 01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:30.559 did it as a favor for Peterson. Yeah, okay. 1280 01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:35.599 By the way, did you know that Never Ending Story 1281 01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:39.639 was like re edited for American audiences by Steven Spielberg. 1282 01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.519 Wow, I did not know. That's a German film. Wow. 1283 01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:50.519 I would be very curious to see what the original was. Like, yeah, wow, yeah, 1284 01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:52.639 I like this. 1285 01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:55.800 Oh yeah, so this is the storyline. I kind of 1286 01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:58.159 like that they use this woman as a way to 1287 01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:03.119 sort of individualize what the is going through. Exactly, yeah, exactly. 1288 01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:05.320 And her story is kind of a runner because if 1289 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:10.360 you're paying attention, she dies m because I think, you know, 1290 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:13.039 we see what her like sample number is or whatever. 1291 01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:17.000 Oh and and so we find out that her and 1292 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:19.399 then we see her in a body bag later. Yes, 1293 01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:22.039 and it's just like this if you're like paying attention, 1294 01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:22.560 you know. 1295 01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:27.319 It's funny because yeah, the movie just completely you know, 1296 01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:29.560 does it turn into this yeah, like you say, more 1297 01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:33.319 individual story. Yes, And I really loved immediately. I don't 1298 01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:35.880 know what it was like she's cast very perfectly or 1299 01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:40.119 something where she seems sweet but brave, scared but brave 1300 01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:43.199 or something. And like, because I didn't remember the movie, 1301 01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:45.079 I was like, oh, wait, does she like have something 1302 01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:46.079 to do with the cure? 1303 01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:47.000 Right? 1304 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:48.079 Is it? But kind? 1305 01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:49.560 Yeah? 1306 01:08:51.359 --> 01:08:55.600 It's yeah, really sad, really effective, I think so, and 1307 01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:58.600 that you know it it gets to sort of like 1308 01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:04.640 there's a similar beat with the with JT. Wallsh you know, 1309 01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:08.439 in the White House, like as they're mulling, you know 1310 01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:11.000 what they're you know, and what they want to do, 1311 01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:14.039 and you know Sutherland's characters like, oh, we'ch just you know, 1312 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.640 firebombed the town or whatever, and he's like, look at 1313 01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:21.520 these pictures, look at these faces. Yeah. 1314 01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:22.960 I didn't know if I should wait or not, but 1315 01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:24.359 I'll just say it because you brought it up. I 1316 01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:26.680 was like, can a guy get an Oscar nomination for 1317 01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:27.640 forty five seconds. 1318 01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:30.520 Right, that's a great moment. 1319 01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:36.680 He crushes that scene. Yeah, yeah, so good. And I 1320 01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:39.479 was feeling it, like sort of emotions in my chest 1321 01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:41.520 as he was doing that and throwing the pictures down. 1322 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.520 Yeah, and that too, Like I think J. T. Walsh 1323 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:47.079 is like uncredited in the movie. I think he just 1324 01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:50.720 showed up. Wow, just walked in, did his thing, walked out. 1325 01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:52.640 They gave him his bag with the dollar sign on it. 1326 01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:55.319 I mean, he was that guy in this era. He 1327 01:09:56.039 --> 01:10:01.640 was so consistently good and he was an archetype all 1328 01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:07.000 all his own you know, hmm, yeah, sadly passed away. Yeah, yeah, 1329 01:10:07.399 --> 01:10:13.760 he was in shoot, what was that KR Russell movie? Breakdown? Breakdown? 1330 01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:15.720 Here's the bad guy in that, And he was in 1331 01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:19.079 Oh he's in the Negotiator. He's really good in that. Yep. 1332 01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:23.920 You know. Yeah, I'm so smart. Sorry sorry go ahead, no, no, 1333 01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:24.319 go ahead. 1334 01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:27.319 Not just so smart following that woman because like if 1335 01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:28.920 we were to just see this shot of all these 1336 01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:34.640 town folk walking into a building, yeah, it just wouldn't 1337 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:37.439 play the same. We wouldn't be identifying with anyone. But 1338 01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:39.840 seeing her, Yeah, now that we kind of know her, 1339 01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:43.199 We've seen an his story. Yep, we're watching her have 1340 01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:45.079 to go. So now it's in a weird way, it's 1341 01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:46.680 almost like she can be a cipher for us. And 1342 01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:48.640 it's like, what if that was you walking through here 1343 01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:51.000 and you were taking all this in and seeing these 1344 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:54.880 pop up tents in your neighborhood and being like, what 1345 01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:55.439 is going on? 1346 01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:56.319 Yep? 1347 01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:00.159 Really really great choice she is, so something about it 1348 01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:02.720 is just really you really sympathize with it. It looks 1349 01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.439 very familiar, though, doesn't she Like I'm trying to I've 1350 01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:07.680 seen her in something not sure. 1351 01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:16.000 See spacey here. I mean, this is definitely the first 1352 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:19.840 time I saw him. Yeah, I didn't know him by 1353 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:23.880 name or anything, you know, because the Usual Suspects was 1354 01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:28.640 was after this, right, yeah? Or same year maybe? Okay, yeah, 1355 01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.600 so that I became aware of him via Usual Suspects. 1356 01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:34.800 But my point is the character was likable enough that 1357 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:36.399 I was like, oh, dude's got a bull's eye on 1358 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:38.279 his forehead. You know, that's funny. 1359 01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:41.760 Yeah, this is what happens after seven A Time to 1360 01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:45.079 Kill la Confidential Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. 1361 01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:48.640 So like he's, you know, a bug's life obviously American 1362 01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:51.319 beauty all that, Like, this is this is kind of 1363 01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:53.600 the beginning for him, really yeah, yeah, I mean. 1364 01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:57.239 It isn't, literally, but feah, there's a whole bitch of 1365 01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.239 other shit coming. Well no, no, no, I just mean yeah. 1366 01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:01.920 I mean he was in a movie called Swimming with 1367 01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:04.720 Sharks that I'm sure people listening to the show might 1368 01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:06.119 be familiar with, but I don't think that was a 1369 01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:11.159 mainstream hit, right. Likewise, the ref oh Glengarry Glenn Ross. 1370 01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:11.920 That was ninety two. 1371 01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:14.319 Yeah, so that that would have put him on the 1372 01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:20.079 map for a lot of people. Yeah, this, uh. 1373 01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:24.359 This is like a real like what would you do scenario? 1374 01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:29.000 You know, so he's he's in the room and gets 1375 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:32.600 a tear in his suit and races out and doesn't 1376 01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:36.279 tell Renee Russo, I know, what would you would you think? 1377 01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:43.000 It was? Okay, that's the thing. An instantaneous infection like that, 1378 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:47.239 there's no hope of stopping a virus like that. Yeah, right, 1379 01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:51.000 but yeah, above and beyond that, it's as we said, 1380 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:52.760 like there were there's fail safes built in like that 1381 01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:55.680 would be very piss poor technology if a single tear 1382 01:12:57.159 --> 01:12:58.600 would get you instantly infected. 1383 01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:02.079 Oh yeah, definitely right, definitely. 1384 01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:04.039 Yeah. So this is the scene we were talking about 1385 01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:06.199 here with with Walsh as the I'm assuming he's a 1386 01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:08.359 chief of staff. Yeah. 1387 01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:11.359 I mean he's just so like in command in this scene. 1388 01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:14.439 Yeah. 1389 01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:18.920 His performances, voice and and to credit the writers, I 1390 01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:24.039 mean everything he's saying, Yeah, that's right, making his case 1391 01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:27.920 why you shouldn't blow up an entire town of people. 1392 01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:30.720 What a concept. I know. 1393 01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:33.840 Well he convinced me, Zachi. 1394 01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:43.359 Yeah, I think the original Originally Jodn Baker was going 1395 01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:51.039 to play the McClintock character, okay, and Andy, they switched 1396 01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:53.560 it up. They went with with Sutherland. I'm glad they did. 1397 01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:57.039 Like I can, I can see Jodn Baker, I guess. 1398 01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:02.359 But you know what I like about Sutherland is he 1399 01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:07.640 there's this there's this sinister quality to him. Mm hm, 1400 01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:10.199 you know, sort of just under the surface. You know 1401 01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:14.439 that that's very I think that the you know, the 1402 01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:18.279 producers wanted somebody with with an Oliver North quality mm hmmmm, 1403 01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:23.760 which Oliver North might disagree with the characterization. 1404 01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:27.640 You know, he's like on a treadmill right now, going hey. 1405 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:31.439 Yeah, yeah, this right here lives. It's a great and 1406 01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:38.039 to see there's the woman who we saw. Yeah, it's 1407 01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:41.600 it's it's a great performance, great, great scene. Yeah, it's funny. 1408 01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:48.680 I'm captivated by it looking at the subtitles on Silent Yeah, 1409 01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:50.840 made those images haunt us till the day we die. 1410 01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:55.800 Right, great, I mean you'd like to believe that people 1411 01:14:55.880 --> 01:15:00.000 who are in charge think in those terms. Yeah, right, 1412 01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:02.920 Maybe maybe that's a fool's hope. 1413 01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:08.159 Yep, you hope, you you hope at least, uh, there 1414 01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:12.640 are some Yeah, it's it's harder and harder to believe it, 1415 01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:13.880 but yeah. 1416 01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:17.079 It's I you know, I I just I I believe 1417 01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:20.159 that people are at their core decent. I do too, 1418 01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:23.760 you know. And and you know government work or this 1419 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:26.319 type of work. You know, it's like you're doing it 1420 01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:30.560 because you believe in service in some capacity. Yeah, or 1421 01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:34.000 at least you did at some point, right, Yeah, exactly. 1422 01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:37.760 You know this is a horrifying concept by the way, too, right, 1423 01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:41.279 like taking all the dead bodies, throwing them in a 1424 01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:45.880 barn and just torching the barn. It's scary. Yeah, And 1425 01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:48.920 and to that point, I think, I think that's why 1426 01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:53.279 we follow that woman through her whole journey, That's why 1427 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:56.640 we get that JT. Walsh scene because it lends weight 1428 01:15:57.039 --> 01:15:59.880 to that moment of all the bodies being burned in 1429 01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:04.880 they're not just statistics right right right, you know, because 1430 01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:07.359 because here's the thing, because we see that that you know, 1431 01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:09.760 infographic or whatever that shows in forty eight hours and 1432 01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.640 it's all just you know, the whole country's infected or 1433 01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:16.600 whatever like, and and it's so big it doesn't it 1434 01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:21.039 stops meaning anything, right, And I think the third act, 1435 01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:23.680 which culminates in this whole thing about about you know, 1436 01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:27.159 destroying this town, we need to be invested in the 1437 01:16:27.159 --> 01:16:29.319 people who live there, right, you know. 1438 01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:35.680 Yeah, you know what this movie does well also is 1439 01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:39.960 it keeps introducing new threads that are intriguing. So the woman, 1440 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:41.840 when we see her saying good bye her family, we're like, oh, 1441 01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:43.960 what's gonna happen with her? And then just now when 1442 01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:46.800 we see the monkey show up at that little girl's window, Yep, 1443 01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:49.680 you're like, uh, oh, you know what I mean. Like 1444 01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:56.319 it keeps introducing new like something that could possibly you 1445 01:16:56.359 --> 01:16:59.119 can relate to, but like it's the worst version of it, 1446 01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:01.800 Like what if something were was happening, like your daughter 1447 01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:04.279 is sleeping in her bed and this monkey that's infected 1448 01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:06.159 with this virus just shows up at her window. What 1449 01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:10.000 a horrifying scenario. Yeah yeah, but it like you can 1450 01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:13.560 picture it because it's just a normal looking house. And 1451 01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:15.119 so then you're like, well what now, Like you know, 1452 01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:16.760 I'm like, now we've we've cut away from that, but 1453 01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:18.319 I'm like, wait, what's gonna happen? Is the girl she 1454 01:17:18.359 --> 01:17:19.319 can open the window? Is it? 1455 01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:22.000 You know, like a lot of great threads keep getting 1456 01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:29.199 introduced throughout this movie. Yeah, you're right now, I read 1457 01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:33.479 that Maya Angelou did a rewrite on this. 1458 01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:34.439 I was going to bring that up. 1459 01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:36.079 Yeah, right, And that's one of those things where you 1460 01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:37.920 read it because I read it in the IMDb trivia 1461 01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:40.079 m h and I'm like, is that one of those 1462 01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:43.239 bullshit things that somebody just put there to mess with people? 1463 01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:45.439 Mm hmm right, because you read that and you're like 1464 01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:47.840 that sounds ridiculous. But then you're also like, but who 1465 01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:50.520 would make that up? Well? Did you? Did you look 1466 01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:53.199 it up? Apparently it is true. It is true. 1467 01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:56.680 The writers talk about it and they said it's during 1468 01:17:56.760 --> 01:18:00.000 the ending she was she was brought into. 1469 01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:01.399 Punch. 1470 01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:03.920 I feel weird saying that she's trying to punch up dialogue. 1471 01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:05.600 I don't know why, but. 1472 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:09.239 Their understanding. They said they didn't meet her, but they 1473 01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:13.720 were told that she uh wrote all sorts of dialogue 1474 01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:17.079 for the scene at the end the standoff in the 1475 01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:21.960 helicopter between Hoffman and Yeah, I guess Southerland and Freeman. 1476 01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:24.880 Well, I guess she and Dustin Hoffman collaborated, So I 1477 01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:29.119 would assume it was his dialogue primarily. But I just 1478 01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:31.640 kind of loved that data point my Angelou, author of 1479 01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:35.359 I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings and Outbreak. 1480 01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:42.359 And Outbreak, I know, kind of wild. Yeah, you just 1481 01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:46.520 like suddenly Dustin Hoffman is just like, you know, a 1482 01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:56.520 crescent moon illuminates and you're like, what, like, wow, I mean, 1483 01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:58.880 it's beautiful what he's saying. I just just doesn't seem 1484 01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:01.000 like it seems like it's in the different movie. 1485 01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:03.039 Yeah, but I guess I read. 1486 01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:06.840 Something else the writers were saying was that Dustin Hoffman 1487 01:19:07.640 --> 01:19:10.720 had a habit of rewriting his own dialogue while he 1488 01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:13.439 was filming. And what he would do is he would 1489 01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:15.319 come up with these things he wanted to say, and 1490 01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:17.760 he would have them written out on a dry erase 1491 01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:21.279 board so he could look at them off screen and 1492 01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:24.079 he would do the take and then as soon as 1493 01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:27.039 the take was over, he'd go, oh, no, no, I'm sorry, 1494 01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:31.359 I'm sorry, and the writers were like people would be 1495 01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.439 looking around, like, what's going on with this guy? The 1496 01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:37.319 article I read, that's all it said, but adding what 1497 01:19:37.359 --> 01:19:40.000 you said earlier about how insecure he was feeling, that 1498 01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:47.079 makes complete sense. Fascinating, right, like he's having some instincts, yeah, 1499 01:19:47.199 --> 01:19:49.119 or at least feeling like I need to bring something 1500 01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:52.119 to this, but he's not feeling confidence in it. I'd 1501 01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:54.359 be curious what did stay that he did, because obviously 1502 01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:56.720 he's a great actor, and I'm sure he has good instincts. 1503 01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:01.479 Well, that's kind of because like, certainly now in twenty 1504 01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:03.840 twenty five we look at Dustin Hoffmann, he's well, he's 1505 01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:06.600 one of the best to ever do it, right, but 1506 01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:10.560 he was very well regarded even back then. Right, So 1507 01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:14.239 in a weird it's like weirdly comforting to know that 1508 01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:16.920 even somebody like Dustin Hoffman, it just deals with like 1509 01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:18.319 do people like me? 1510 01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:21.600 Yeah, Well, there's this whole thing that gets said a 1511 01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:24.920 lot in writers' rooms where when you're pitching an idea, 1512 01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:27.399 and every room I've been In every writer I've ever 1513 01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:30.960 talked to, everyone goes, Okay, this is terrible, but or 1514 01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:32.600 they'll go, Okay, this is like a this is a 1515 01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:34.000 really bad idea, but. 1516 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:35.079 This is the bad version. 1517 01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:37.479 This is the bad version. Yeah, like that sort of 1518 01:20:37.560 --> 01:20:41.760 everybody does it, and so it is encouraging to know that, Yeah, 1519 01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:43.720 even people who you would think of like, oh well yeah, 1520 01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:46.560 but you're brilliant, they're even like, Okay, well this is 1521 01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:49.039 the bad version, but like we all do it. 1522 01:20:49.680 --> 01:20:55.319 That is comforting. Yeah. So here we go Kevin space 1523 01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:59.439 So here's well, this is the thing. I what seems 1524 01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:04.039 odd to me is we never actually see Spacey die. Hmmm. 1525 01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:08.640 And that seems like he seems like an important enough 1526 01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:12.760 character that you want to have that, right. That's interesting. 1527 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:15.199 I didn't think about it, right, but you're right, yes, 1528 01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:18.960 he presumably he is dead, you know. I don't think that, 1529 01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:22.479 you know. Yeah, and yet we never get that death moment. 1530 01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:24.000 I just I was like, did they maybe shoot it 1531 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:26.479 and just like it didn't work or something, you know. 1532 01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:29.039 Or just to I mean, the movie is over two hours, 1533 01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:31.960 so yeah, I felt like they needed to save time. 1534 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:35.000 But we do get this moment here where he's convulsing. Yeah, 1535 01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:38.000 and Rene Russo accidentally pricks her finger, yes, a needle 1536 01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:40.720 that had been used on him, and. 1537 01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:43.960 So not for nothing, Robbie, but maybe like, wait till 1538 01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:48.279 he stops spasming before you have the sharp object next 1539 01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:48.800 to him, you know. 1540 01:21:49.800 --> 01:21:51.399 And I know it's a movie and you have to 1541 01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:54.199 have these sorts of things happen. But I mean, going 1542 01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:56.640 back to what we were saying about writers and or 1543 01:21:56.680 --> 01:22:00.359 creative types and confidence, I mean, these people are human too, 1544 01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:04.479 you know, like smart doctors and scientists and whatnot, and 1545 01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:07.720 they can have get caught up in moments and things 1546 01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:10.039 that seem obvious in hindsight. It's like, well, on the 1547 01:22:10.039 --> 01:22:12.560 heat of the moment, maybe you might make one dumb decision. 1548 01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:17.159 One dumb decision. That's gonna be my that's gonna be 1549 01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:18.359 the title of my autobiography. 1550 01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:19.840 One dumb decision. 1551 01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:22.159 Yeah, it'll be me against a white background with my 1552 01:22:22.199 --> 01:22:26.399 sleeves rolled up, with your arms crossed, or or are 1553 01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:30.079 you shrugging like well no, I see myself like looking 1554 01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:35.600 sternly at camera. Dum decision? What one didn't dumb decision? 1555 01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:40.359 I like it. I'll read it. Did you watch the 1556 01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:44.279 Siskel and Eber review of this. No, I didn't, which 1557 01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:46.359 I know you tend to do that, right, Yeah, what 1558 01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:49.239 what would they say? Oh? Many were they were going 1559 01:22:49.319 --> 01:22:54.079 at it? Oh? Really they vehemently disagreed on this one. 1560 01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:57.159 Oh what what were the talking points? 1561 01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:04.279 Well, uh, Cisco was not a fan. Okay, Ebert had 1562 01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:05.119 a grand old time. 1563 01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:06.079 I can kind of see that. 1564 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:09.760 Actually, yeah, that that tracks. Yeah, And it was very 1565 01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:12.520 funny because Ciskel got really hung up on the fact 1566 01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:16.000 that he's like, Dustin Hoffman looks ridiculous in this you know, 1567 01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:18.319 the has Matt suit or whatever. And he's like, and 1568 01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:22.199 he's married to this bombshell, Renee Russo, and it's like, 1569 01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:25.520 really like, Ebert's like, you know, you called her a bombshell. 1570 01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:27.600 You know, she's a mature, talented actress. It's like, well, 1571 01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:30.000 she's a bombshell. It's like and he's like, and you know, 1572 01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:32.760 he's like, Geene, how else do you he's wearing the hessemensuit. 1573 01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:33.880 How else do you want to be? Like, I don't know, 1574 01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:35.399 I'm just saying it looks like, you know, that's how 1575 01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:38.119 I feel. And I'm telling you, man, Roger was was 1576 01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:41.439 gonna put Gene in a headlock. I'm gonna watch it 1577 01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:44.199 sinsor done. Yeah, it felt they were on the cusp. 1578 01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:47.399 It wasn't quite Benji the hunted level, but it was 1579 01:23:47.439 --> 01:23:48.560 getting there. Yeah. 1580 01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:53.399 Yeah, you know, but but that actually tried. Yeah, that's right, that's. 1581 01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:57.760 Right, that's legendary. Yeah. The if you look at Rotten Tomatoes, right, 1582 01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:00.279 this sits at like fifty five fifty six on that 1583 01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:03.199 and that about tracks. If you look at like the 1584 01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:06.039 major critics split right down the middle. 1585 01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:09.159 I can see that. Yeah, I can see that because 1586 01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:12.439 it's you have to go in. I can see going in. 1587 01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:16.760 I did with certain expectations of its I don't know 1588 01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:20.319 what you want to call it intelligence or something or 1589 01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:24.960 like how seriously it takes the material. But this isn't 1590 01:24:25.039 --> 01:24:27.800 exactly that movie. This is really this is a is 1591 01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:31.560 a popcorn thriller. It is using real world ideas. 1592 01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:32.840 Yeah. 1593 01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:35.600 So if you go in knowing that, then maybe you 1594 01:24:35.640 --> 01:24:37.840 can kick back and switch your brain off and have 1595 01:24:37.880 --> 01:24:38.520 a fun time. 1596 01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:39.279 Yeah. 1597 01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:41.560 But if you go in thinking that this is going 1598 01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:46.000 to actually sort of get into nitty gritty details and truly, 1599 01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:51.079 what would these types do? This ain't that Yeah. 1600 01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:55.079 Well, you know, the at the time, as we mentioned, 1601 01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:57.039 you know, they were they were rushing to get this 1602 01:24:57.319 --> 01:25:00.399 out or into production, you know, before christ in the 1603 01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:03.680 Hot Zone. And you know that producer Linda opes to 1604 01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:06.239 this day, she's like, we had the better, uh, we 1605 01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:09.920 had the better project. We had the better uh, better package, 1606 01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:11.199 you know, in terms of all the people involvement, and 1607 01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:13.800 she's saying, we had the better script, right. And I 1608 01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:18.199 always like I look at like, you know, had that 1609 01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:22.520 come out, which of the two, would this be thought 1610 01:25:22.560 --> 01:25:25.960 of as the dumb one or the good one? You know? 1611 01:25:27.079 --> 01:25:29.600 You know, because like it's like, oh, Dante's Peak and 1612 01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:33.319 Volcano and you know, Deep Impact and Armageddon, and it's like, well, 1613 01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:36.000 this is this one and this is this one? You know, 1614 01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:38.560 like like if you look at Deep Impact and Armageddon, 1615 01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:41.479 you know, I think both movies have issues, but like 1616 01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:44.520 Deep Impact is the one that's kind of like more 1617 01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:51.039 I don't know, thoughtful, thoughtful. Yeah, I was gonna say cerebral. 1618 01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:52.760 So yeah, you know, even though it's you know it 1619 01:25:52.920 --> 01:25:58.439 it's not exactly you know, the magnificsen namebers since right. 1620 01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:02.319 But then there's Armageddon, which is just it's what that 1621 01:26:02.439 --> 01:26:05.319 movie is, right, right, And so I'm like, which of 1622 01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:07.279 those was would this one have been. 1623 01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:12.039 You know, probably in my mind the Armageddon. 1624 01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:13.760 Probably probably right, that was my thought. 1625 01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:17.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah, which isn't a bad thing. 1626 01:26:18.039 --> 01:26:22.520 No, I think Armageddon, Armageddon. That's a movie that I 1627 01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:25.840 have not revisited a ton, but I feel like we 1628 01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:28.119 will probably end up talking through that at some point, right. 1629 01:26:29.479 --> 01:26:31.319 Oh yeah, And I haven't seen it in a long time, 1630 01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:33.840 but if I had to guess, I'd be willing to guess. 1631 01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:36.560 It was hugely popular when it came out. Yeah, then 1632 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:39.359 everybody kind of turned on it and said it was 1633 01:26:39.399 --> 01:26:41.920 really stupid. But I think it's probably at a moment 1634 01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:44.039 now where you could watch it and go, well, yeah, 1635 01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:47.800 it's dumb, but I enjoyed it. Yeah, you know, it's 1636 01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:49.640 funny how some movies have that life cycle. 1637 01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:52.960 Yeah, right, Armageddon is definitely that. Although I mean I 1638 01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:55.680 remember seeing it and being like, this movie is pretty dumb. 1639 01:26:56.439 --> 01:26:59.600 I mean it is. It's an opening day in the theater. Yeah, 1640 01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:02.720 but it's saw, so I don't know, it's easy to get. 1641 01:27:03.159 --> 01:27:03.560 I don't know. 1642 01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:05.520 And it feels very much of its time too, like 1643 01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:07.039 humor very much. 1644 01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:14.119 So yeah. Yeah, so this here is where we sort 1645 01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:16.840 of like the movie, which is on track as this 1646 01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:23.000 semi grounded, you know, investigative thriller kind of like goes 1647 01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:26.319 it goes off roading a little bit. Yes, yes, and 1648 01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:29.640 it's like, no, we're just gonna do like we're gonna 1649 01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:34.199 cycle through some action movie tropes. Yes, and so that's 1650 01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:35.640 that's a jarring. 1651 01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:42.359 Shift, yes, like almost like hijinks. Yes, right, and then 1652 01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:44.800 we all we get into almost you know, buddy cop 1653 01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:49.800 style banter between Cuba Gooding and Dustin Hoffman and humor, 1654 01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:53.640 and yeah, I was a little not thrown, but I 1655 01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:56.239 was like, oh, oh I didn't. This is not how 1656 01:27:56.279 --> 01:27:57.279 I remember this movie. 1657 01:27:57.319 --> 01:27:58.199 I guess we're doing this. 1658 01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:01.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just like I say, like the 1659 01:28:01.239 --> 01:28:04.000 high jinks of stealing this helicopter, it's not like it's 1660 01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:06.119 handled in a very silly. 1661 01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:07.479 Action movie kind of way. Mm hmm. 1662 01:28:11.680 --> 01:28:13.640 But then you also get the moment that's coming up 1663 01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:17.640 where they're going to try to locate the monkey and 1664 01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:22.439 or draw it out, and that feels like that could 1665 01:28:22.439 --> 01:28:24.279 come from a more serious movie too, where it's like 1666 01:28:24.319 --> 01:28:26.319 what the realities of like we need that thing, we 1667 01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:26.680 need to. 1668 01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:27.119 Get the shot. 1669 01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:29.760 This is very tricky, which I really enjoy. 1670 01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:33.560 See that stuff. I'm all on board with, but you know, 1671 01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:38.920 and once we're dog fighting or whatever, like, you know, 1672 01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:42.199 it turns into something a little different. 1673 01:28:42.319 --> 01:28:44.199 Well that and I keep saying I'm getting ahead of it, 1674 01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:45.840 but as long as we're talking about it, Yeah, the 1675 01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:48.039 whole thing where Morgan Freeman gets on the line with 1676 01:28:48.119 --> 01:28:51.159 him and it's just like, whatever you do, don't do 1677 01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:53.199 this thing that could save the day. 1678 01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:55.760 Because that would not be good for us. 1679 01:28:56.479 --> 01:28:59.239 And then you literally get a line from Donald Sutherland 1680 01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:01.359 who's like, wait a minute, that you're telling them how 1681 01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:04.720 they can save the day. And I seriously was like, 1682 01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:11.039 you've got to be kidding me. I mean, I gotta 1683 01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:12.880 be honest, Like the last act of this movie kind 1684 01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:18.279 of feels like it was written by twelve year olds. 1685 01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:20.640 But then you kind of wonder, I mean, we don't 1686 01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:22.600 know the story. It's easy to say that, and we 1687 01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:24.079 don't know the story of the making of this movie. 1688 01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:25.840 I mean, the writers could have turned in some draft 1689 01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:28.319 and been very happy with it, and Warner Brothers is like. 1690 01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:33.800 Not enough action, And I'm willing to bet every cent 1691 01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:37.680 in my savings account that that's what happened. Yes, yes, right, 1692 01:29:37.720 --> 01:29:45.000 because because it's such a clear like digression for everything else, 1693 01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:46.960 Like I think you could have hit most of the 1694 01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:51.159 same dramatic beats, but I think Warner Execs, We're probably like, 1695 01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:56.079 we need some applause moments. And one thing I will 1696 01:29:56.119 --> 01:30:00.800 say is when I watch this isn't granted it was 1697 01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:02.479 at a second run theater, but it was a fairly 1698 01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:05.960 decent sized crowd. I remember, you know when when Morgan 1699 01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:07.520 Freeman does that thing that you're referring to, you had 1700 01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:12.800 people in the card like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so 1701 01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:18.960 you know we can we can view things cynically, me 1702 01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:23.159 like you, Brian, like such as you, well, such as 1703 01:30:23.159 --> 01:30:26.640 both of us. But I'm like, the movie proved successful 1704 01:30:26.680 --> 01:30:31.079 at the box office, so clearly they weren't entirely off 1705 01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:34.199 their rockers for wanting something, you know, more crowd pleasing. 1706 01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:36.199 No, I mean, you just need to know what you're 1707 01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:37.039 signing up for. 1708 01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:39.720 What you're signing up for you Yeah. And also this 1709 01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:43.239 feels very of that moment that that very much so, 1710 01:30:43.279 --> 01:30:45.199 and so I think that's part of it is that's 1711 01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:48.199 part of why I watched this movie. Uh, and again 1712 01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:52.399 I haven't seen a ton, but I can feel nostalgic 1713 01:30:52.479 --> 01:30:55.520 for when movies were like this m M, because it 1714 01:30:55.720 --> 01:30:59.560 really it does feel like an artifact, you know, totally, totally, 1715 01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:01.960 and you know you had that funny it's funny bit 1716 01:31:02.039 --> 01:31:04.000 right here where he's like, should I should I cough 1717 01:31:04.039 --> 01:31:06.119 on you? In right right. 1718 01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:11.800 Saranda to this one, and in. 1719 01:31:11.720 --> 01:31:13.520 My mind I choose to believe that was a Maya 1720 01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:16.399 Angelou line where he's like, shall I cough on you? George? 1721 01:31:17.479 --> 01:31:19.840 Actually, I was just thinking of a similar joke where 1722 01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:21.399 it was like at the end where it's like, wait 1723 01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:23.560 a minute, you just told them how to save the day. 1724 01:31:24.560 --> 01:31:25.279 What are you doing? 1725 01:31:25.399 --> 01:31:30.319 Billy? Maya Angelou cut to her like, you know, hitting 1726 01:31:30.359 --> 01:31:34.000 save on the computer had given herself a high five. Yeah, exactly, 1727 01:31:34.119 --> 01:31:34.680 nailed it. 1728 01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:41.359 I just thought this was a funny bit of business 1729 01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:43.960 of this woman here in the coast Guard. I can 1730 01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:49.079 make a call oh close closer than his wife would like, 1731 01:31:49.079 --> 01:32:01.319 like what now, she's just an open book. But yeah, 1732 01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:03.479 because I'll probably forget to say it later. But you 1733 01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:07.000 have like a similar moment where you have someone well 1734 01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:09.800 maybe it's not similar, but where you're talking to the 1735 01:32:09.800 --> 01:32:13.159 pilots of that airplane with the bomb and trying to 1736 01:32:13.159 --> 01:32:14.399 reason with them and you're. 1737 01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:17.640 Like, man, what would what do you do? You're that pilot. 1738 01:32:17.680 --> 01:32:20.920 You got your orders, but you also could possibly, you know, 1739 01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:23.239 do the right thing. The history will remember is the 1740 01:32:23.279 --> 01:32:25.119 right thing, even if it means you get court martials 1741 01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:27.720 or something. Yeah, and it kind of reminds me, at 1742 01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:30.600 least in feeling of that moment of the two boats 1743 01:32:30.600 --> 01:32:33.880 at the end of The Dark Night, which feels a 1744 01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:36.600 little more weirdly, even though that's a superhero movie, like 1745 01:32:37.359 --> 01:32:43.439 serious or something, or like real human beings and what 1746 01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:45.000 do you do. You're looking at the people and you 1747 01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:46.560 you were the guy who said we should do this, 1748 01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:49.079 but now it's up to you and maybe you won't 1749 01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:51.279 do it. Like, but this, you know what I'm saying, 1750 01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:54.000 Like the tone. It's funny the same sort of thing 1751 01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:55.840 can be carried out in two different movies and feel 1752 01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:57.159 like they have two different tones to them. 1753 01:32:57.279 --> 01:33:01.840 That's so interesting. Well, you know worth mentioning that. You know, 1754 01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:06.119 in its early earliest incarnation, the Batman Versus Superman movie 1755 01:33:06.199 --> 01:33:08.399 was going to be directed by Wolfgang Peterson. That's right. 1756 01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:10.640 I have that script, but I've never read it, have you? 1757 01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:14.720 I have not read it. Yeah, I should do that. Yeah, 1758 01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:17.439 he was you know, I think we've said this before, 1759 01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:19.600 but I mean, you know he did he did Troy, 1760 01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:23.279 which was a pretty big hit, and then he did Poseidon, 1761 01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:27.279 which tanked. Yeah. I never saw that. I didn't see 1762 01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:31.239 it either, but I I for however bad it may 1763 01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:32.840 have been or how bad it may have done, I'm like, 1764 01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:37.920 I would think that Wolfgang Peterson could have continued directing. Yeah, right, 1765 01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:39.760 But it's like he just like called it a career 1766 01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:43.600 basically in terms of American movies anyway, and that's what 1767 01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:46.560 he wants, I guess. Yeah. And then yeah, you know, 1768 01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:48.840 and then he passed away. When was it like two 1769 01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:53.960 years ago? Oh yeah, it was like twenty It was 1770 01:33:54.520 --> 01:34:00.880 after we did our track for Air Force one. Mm hm. 1771 01:34:04.520 --> 01:34:06.239 It is interesting, though, I mean I think about that 1772 01:34:06.319 --> 01:34:09.600 a lot, especially in entertainment. I mean, you have Juror 1773 01:34:09.720 --> 01:34:12.319 Number two, which just came out, a movie directed by 1774 01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:15.760 Clint Eastwood, who's in his freaking nineties, crazy right, and 1775 01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:18.279 you have Morgan Freeman and is I think late eighties 1776 01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:19.680 now still I mean he's in. 1777 01:34:19.720 --> 01:34:21.119 Well, him and Dustin Offen both. 1778 01:34:21.279 --> 01:34:23.920 Yeah, but there's still Freeman especially, I mean he's in 1779 01:34:24.039 --> 01:34:27.199 lots of movies. Yeah, you know, it's like they just 1780 01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:29.119 keep going for the love of the game. And it 1781 01:34:29.680 --> 01:34:33.800 when most people kind of retire, you know, yeah, you know, 1782 01:34:34.479 --> 01:34:36.119 at some point in their seventies. So it's just kind 1783 01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:40.600 of interesting, you know that it seems more rare when 1784 01:34:40.640 --> 01:34:42.439 we look at it as someone who's in their seventies 1785 01:34:42.479 --> 01:34:44.359 and entertainment and they retire, we go, oh, I wonder 1786 01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:46.479 why they did that, you know, because we're so used 1787 01:34:46.479 --> 01:34:48.159 to seeing so many people just at a good point 1788 01:34:48.279 --> 01:34:50.079 going until they die. 1789 01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:56.479 I mean, Harrison Ford is in his mid eighties, right, yeah, yeah, 1790 01:34:56.840 --> 01:35:01.000 he's still doing his thing. You know. Sorry, I'm having 1791 01:35:01.039 --> 01:35:01.920 a thought here. I was. 1792 01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:05.520 I was wondering, why, Wow, it's really foggy as there 1793 01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:07.720 he's on this ship, and I'm thinking, oh, it's probably 1794 01:35:07.800 --> 01:35:10.840 because the ship is parked in real life and they 1795 01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:12.199 don't want to deal with it, so they had to 1796 01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:13.880 throw in a line like damn, it's foggy. 1797 01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:16.800 That's really funny. 1798 01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:20.760 My Angelou hit save and said, uh, well, I just 1799 01:35:21.399 --> 01:35:23.920 save them the deal of having to make that ship move. 1800 01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:33.159 So funny. I'm just picturing my Andrew, you know, smoking 1801 01:35:34.119 --> 01:35:37.640 chain smoking as she's like cranking out rewrites for Outbreak. 1802 01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:46.560 You know, you're uh, but yeah, anyway, but I like that. 1803 01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:48.680 Oh, it's kind of funny too, And not to pick 1804 01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:51.840 on it, but just you know, his movies get bigger 1805 01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:54.159 and bigger, Like the whole jump from the helicopter to 1806 01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:57.279 the boat, which is a really exciting thing on paper, 1807 01:35:57.760 --> 01:36:00.279 just does not look very exciting in this movie. 1808 01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:04.000 That's well in like there's a way to stage it 1809 01:36:04.039 --> 01:36:07.039 in a way that would I completely agree. 1810 01:36:07.079 --> 01:36:12.479 You're right. I think it's staging. Very lucky that this 1811 01:36:12.520 --> 01:36:15.039 guy took so many polaroids of thinking. 1812 01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:17.640 I thought it would be really funny if the picture 1813 01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:20.119 he's got just a ton of pictures of him doing 1814 01:36:20.199 --> 01:36:23.800 every possible thing with the monkey, Like they're blowing out 1815 01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:28.560 birthday candles together, they're in the bathtub together with boats 1816 01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:29.119 and like. 1817 01:36:29.079 --> 01:36:31.239 Just yeah with like bubble beards. 1818 01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:35.479 Yeah exactly, And we just we just get this thing 1819 01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:37.720 where Hoffman is just flipping through these pictures and the 1820 01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:43.119 music just gets more and more dramatic. He's just good lord. 1821 01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:53.920 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 1822 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:55.640 I was just having a moment where I was like, 1823 01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:56.960 oh man, she shouldn't be around him. 1824 01:36:56.960 --> 01:36:59.479 But she's sick too. Yeah, she's already sick. Although it 1825 01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:03.479 is it is very like very Hollywood that like she 1826 01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:06.359 goes through the same gestation process for the virus. As 1827 01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:11.199 he looks like a goddamn walking dead refugee, she looks. 1828 01:37:11.079 --> 01:37:11.960 Like a bombshell. 1829 01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:18.800 It's so funny because, like I think Renee russo very attractive, 1830 01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:22.479 very sexy. I would not call her a bombshell. No, 1831 01:37:22.600 --> 01:37:23.479 that's not what I would. 1832 01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:27.439 Yeah, exactly right, although, yeah, I know I think she's gorgeous. 1833 01:37:28.119 --> 01:37:30.560 Yeah, but it was very funny because it felt like 1834 01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:36.800 that was that was one of Roger's buttons. I think 1835 01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:38.600 he was right, he was, he was on the correct 1836 01:37:38.600 --> 01:37:41.920 side of that, Yeah, right, right, that that is I 1837 01:37:42.039 --> 01:37:44.479 Jean had a tendency to find these weird things and 1838 01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:45.760 he just get hung up on them. 1839 01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:47.439 I was almost gonna say that when you were talking 1840 01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:49.720 about it, when I said that, that tracks their feelings 1841 01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:52.960 about this. Yeah, Ebert seemed to be able. He was 1842 01:37:52.960 --> 01:37:55.600 more easily swept up in things, that's right. Where yes, 1843 01:37:55.640 --> 01:37:57.279 Ciscol would get hung up on certain. 1844 01:37:57.520 --> 01:37:59.840 Hebert's approach was always like I'm going to meet the 1845 01:37:59.840 --> 01:38:01.479 movie be where it is, and I'm gonna judge it 1846 01:38:01.520 --> 01:38:04.119 based on that, Like I'm not going to compare this 1847 01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:07.199 to you know, some some other movie that's of a 1848 01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:10.000 different genre. You know, so the great Benji the Hunted 1849 01:38:10.119 --> 01:38:15.479 versus full metal jacket thing, right, Uh, And I I'm biased. 1850 01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:17.680 I mean I grew up reading Roger and so that's 1851 01:38:17.720 --> 01:38:20.680 just sort of what what took root in my mind. 1852 01:38:20.840 --> 01:38:26.279 But like I remember, Ciskel gave it thumbs down to, 1853 01:38:27.439 --> 01:38:33.520 uh not Austin parers ace Ventura, which I'm actually I'm 1854 01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:36.520 pretty sure Ebert that thumbs down to. I checked, but 1855 01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:39.680 he got real hung up on Jim Carrey having this overbite, 1856 01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:44.760 with this Jim Carrey with this overbyte, and he kept 1857 01:38:44.840 --> 01:38:47.680 doing this. I want to watch that too. 1858 01:38:50.920 --> 01:38:53.680 By the way, I love this, Like this is a 1859 01:38:53.720 --> 01:38:57.520 scenario I really enjoy where it's like someone taking over 1860 01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:02.800 the news because there's this potential catastrophe about that could 1861 01:39:02.840 --> 01:39:05.039 happen in your town, and like holding up a picture 1862 01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:08.119 like have you seen this thing called this number? Like 1863 01:39:08.199 --> 01:39:10.279 that scenario, If I saw that on TV, I would 1864 01:39:10.279 --> 01:39:11.039 find that frightening. 1865 01:39:11.279 --> 01:39:12.960 Oh absolutely, you know I love that. 1866 01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:16.680 And then I mean in this in particular right where 1867 01:39:16.680 --> 01:39:21.560 it's like if you see this monkey that looks exactly 1868 01:39:21.640 --> 01:39:23.479 like this, and you have this mom look over at 1869 01:39:23.479 --> 01:39:26.000 the refrigerator and this drawing that her daughter's made of 1870 01:39:26.039 --> 01:39:30.640 that monkey with Kranz, It's like, ah, I love it. 1871 01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:37.039 See. I think we needed the slow motion dish drop 1872 01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:39.239 to really emphasize. 1873 01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:42.760 Yeah, you're right, you're right, Yeah, she drops a dish. 1874 01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:44.039 But if you don't do it in slow mowe and 1875 01:39:44.039 --> 01:39:45.880 see it break, did it ever? Do we have a 1876 01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:46.800 dish moment at all? 1877 01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:50.279 That's hilarious. 1878 01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:53.079 By the way, I was looking at Rene and Russo 1879 01:39:53.119 --> 01:39:56.560 as we were talking about her the movie after this 1880 01:39:57.039 --> 01:39:59.760 Ransom talk about a movie that has just been completely 1881 01:39:59.840 --> 01:40:00.880 for gotten. 1882 01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:03.800 Dude, percent, I mean you can't watch it. It's not 1883 01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:08.239 available on streaming or anything. Yeah. Yeah, uh. And my 1884 01:40:08.399 --> 01:40:10.920 recollection is that it was a pretty damn good movie. 1885 01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:14.239 I remember I reviewed that from my high school paper. Wow. 1886 01:40:14.880 --> 01:40:18.159 Yeah, I would be willing to bet if you showed 1887 01:40:18.199 --> 01:40:22.640 it to someone who's been conditioned mostly by more recent movies, 1888 01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:28.520 it might feel not silly but broader, pulpy or or whatever. 1889 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:31.199 But going back to what we're saying about Outbreak in 1890 01:40:31.319 --> 01:40:34.479 the moment, I'm sure it played like Gangbusters. 1891 01:40:34.600 --> 01:40:37.760 In fact, I think I did that was I mean, 1892 01:40:37.800 --> 01:40:39.640 that was a like you said, get me back by 1893 01:40:39.720 --> 01:40:40.840 somedon like people would know. 1894 01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:43.800 Yeah, I say that all the time weirdly, like it's 1895 01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:45.439 just it's something that lives in my brain. 1896 01:40:46.680 --> 01:40:49.239 Mel Gibson was really freaking good in that movie. 1897 01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:51.520 Oh, that's like, Yeah, it's a really it's Ron Howard 1898 01:40:51.600 --> 01:40:53.640 joint too, which doesn't feel like a Ron Howard movie. 1899 01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:59.159 Yeah. And Delroy Lindo, Delroy Lindo, Yeah, that's help Has 1900 01:40:59.319 --> 01:41:05.840 Garry Sez. Yeah, it's weird how that And again, that's 1901 01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:09.359 this weird phenomenon where it's not available on any streaming platform. 1902 01:41:09.399 --> 01:41:13.159 To the best of my knowledge, I wonder why that is. Yeah, 1903 01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:17.720 and and well and Cocuon also or Cocoon two? Is 1904 01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:19.079 it the first one or the second one? 1905 01:41:19.319 --> 01:41:22.279 It might be the first. At least the first one 1906 01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:23.520 I think is yeah, hard to find. 1907 01:41:23.800 --> 01:41:26.159 So is it just Ron Howard movie? Wasn't that Ron Howard? Also? 1908 01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:29.079 Yeah, I wonder if it's a matter of who owns 1909 01:41:29.119 --> 01:41:30.079 them or hmmm. 1910 01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:33.800 I have no idea. Well, Ransom is Disney, I know that, 1911 01:41:34.159 --> 01:41:34.760 you know, it's funny. 1912 01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:37.560 I I wanted to watch, you know, with David Lynch 1913 01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:39.960 passing recently, I wanted to rewatch some of his movies, 1914 01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:42.399 and so I was gonna watch Wild at Heart And 1915 01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:45.439 that movie's really difficult to find. Oh wow, In fact, 1916 01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:47.119 I don't know that it is available anywhere. 1917 01:41:47.479 --> 01:41:48.920 Yeah, that's a lot of stuff like that. 1918 01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:52.000 Yeah, and it's it gets held up with you know, 1919 01:41:52.039 --> 01:41:52.800 whoever owns it. 1920 01:41:53.359 --> 01:41:57.399 Yeah, yeah, there's well, you know George Romero's uh uh 1921 01:41:57.960 --> 01:42:02.359 Down of the Dead the seventies one, that's no streaming platform. 1922 01:42:02.439 --> 01:42:04.880 Like I got it on physical media. I had to 1923 01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:08.079 order it from overseas in order to get it. And like, 1924 01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:11.640 I think it's there's you know, somebody uploaded it to YouTube. 1925 01:42:11.640 --> 01:42:13.199 But let's see how long that's up there, you know. 1926 01:42:13.439 --> 01:42:15.159 Well, yeah, and you think of that, you associate that 1927 01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:18.079 with more older films where it's like, oh, some complicated 1928 01:42:18.079 --> 01:42:20.920 thing they can't work out now because there's been changing 1929 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:23.279 of the guards and whatever. Who owns these things. But 1930 01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:26.479 I just read this morning that Francis Ford Coppola is 1931 01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:30.840 Megalopolis as of right now, will not have a US 1932 01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:34.960 hard copy release. So if you are interested in owning that, 1933 01:42:35.359 --> 01:42:38.520 you have to buy the region free four K from 1934 01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:40.359 you know, some other country, which is just. 1935 01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:42.479 Well a lot of the time, just you lost me 1936 01:42:42.520 --> 01:42:45.079 at ore. If you're interested in owning that, I. 1937 01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:48.439 Understand, I understand, but I'm just saying like it it. 1938 01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:50.479 Should have the option, the option should exist. 1939 01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:57.199 Yeah, you know you would think that's hilarious. But no, 1940 01:42:57.680 --> 01:43:00.119 going back what we just kind of talked over, but 1941 01:43:00.239 --> 01:43:04.279 the uh, what an interesting scenario for this family, right, 1942 01:43:04.279 --> 01:43:06.800 you know, some military guy shows up and is like, yeah, 1943 01:43:06.840 --> 01:43:10.359 the monkey that is basically carrying some sort of virus 1944 01:43:10.760 --> 01:43:13.239 that could wipe out humanity, I need your daughter to 1945 01:43:13.279 --> 01:43:16.479 lure him out of the woods, right, you know, like 1946 01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:19.119 that's I like that, that's a And then him having 1947 01:43:19.199 --> 01:43:21.520 to talk to the girl Hoffmann and reason with her, 1948 01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:23.159 and she's like. 1949 01:43:23.119 --> 01:43:24.800 Is he is she gonna be hurt? And it's like no, 1950 01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:26.760 We're gonna put her to sleep and take out all 1951 01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:38.079 of her organs. She won't feel a thing though exactly yes, yeah, yeah, 1952 01:43:38.079 --> 01:43:38.600 but I like that. 1953 01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:40.800 You know what I do feel though, I feel like 1954 01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:45.520 the parents are strangely calm with this scenario. 1955 01:43:46.239 --> 01:43:48.279 I feel like they should. I mean, I know, you 1956 01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:48.840 need your movie. 1957 01:43:48.840 --> 01:43:50.600 It's like I said, it's already over two hours, but 1958 01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:52.840 I feel like they needed the convincing more than the 1959 01:43:52.960 --> 01:43:54.920 daughter in real life would be the situation. 1960 01:43:55.159 --> 01:43:56.079 That's a great point. 1961 01:43:56.239 --> 01:44:00.159 Yeah, because even watching the moms like oh gee, like 1962 01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:00.680 I hope. 1963 01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:03.239 Yeah, you know, just be careful. 1964 01:44:03.319 --> 01:44:05.119 It's like, yeah, you're kidding me. If that's my child, 1965 01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:06.119 i'd be freaking out. 1966 01:44:06.920 --> 01:44:12.319 This like this the monkey equivalent of a nuclear bomb, 1967 01:44:12.560 --> 01:44:15.720 and you're like, come, you know, hold it. 1968 01:44:16.880 --> 01:44:18.680 Yeah, here, hold out some apples for it. 1969 01:44:18.720 --> 01:44:21.439 But I love the tension in this scene, right, and 1970 01:44:21.720 --> 01:44:24.520 it's it's kind of remarkable how you can you can 1971 01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:30.439 find almost greater tension in smaller scenes. I completely agree, right, yep, 1972 01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:33.560 Because I would offer that this is more tense than 1973 01:44:33.840 --> 01:44:36.680 the the dogfight business that's about to come up. 1974 01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:40.039 I agree, I agree. I think this is a little 1975 01:44:40.079 --> 01:44:45.800 more relatable. Yeah, is part of it. You know, there's 1976 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:48.720 always something tense about someone needing to take a shot 1977 01:44:49.399 --> 01:44:51.880 and then something steps in front of them and gets 1978 01:44:51.880 --> 01:44:53.159 in the way, and there's you know. 1979 01:44:53.159 --> 01:44:57.359 No, you gotta hurry. Yeah, no, this is this is 1980 01:44:57.640 --> 01:44:58.880 I would say a standout scene. 1981 01:45:04.319 --> 01:45:05.960 I know this is such a silly thought, but I 1982 01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:10.319 was actually thinking with Cuba Gooding Junior, like show me 1983 01:45:10.399 --> 01:45:14.239 the money. Everyone knows that, but like that didn't exist 1984 01:45:14.239 --> 01:45:18.039 in this moment. But like if he were to look 1985 01:45:18.079 --> 01:45:20.399 back on his career, that would be like a phrase 1986 01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:22.520 that would almost like define him in sort of a way. 1987 01:45:23.079 --> 01:45:24.159 It's just funny in this moment. 1988 01:45:24.199 --> 01:45:26.399 He doesn't know that he doesn't he doesn't know what's 1989 01:45:26.399 --> 01:45:28.760 coming as a young actor, you know, he doesn't know 1990 01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:30.479 that snow Dogs is coming. 1991 01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:35.479 Is that the movie where they don't talk? Is that 1992 01:45:35.520 --> 01:45:37.039 the movie where the trailer made it look like the 1993 01:45:37.079 --> 01:45:39.720 dogs talked, so everybody was excited. And then they saw 1994 01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:41.119 the movie and the dogs didn't talk. 1995 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:45.279 I do not know, but that sounds correct. 1996 01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:48.119 Yeah, it's like it's a dream sequence, but they or 1997 01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:50.439 something in the film, but they made the trailer look 1998 01:45:50.560 --> 01:45:52.600 like that was the movie, him dealing with these funny, 1999 01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:55.000 sassy dogs, and then they showed up, and that's not 2000 01:45:55.199 --> 01:45:59.960 the movie at all. He didn't know that. Zaki did 2001 01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:01.119 know that was gonna happen. 2002 01:46:02.560 --> 01:46:04.279 What was that I remember he was on. Was it 2003 01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:05.479 called boat trip or something? 2004 01:46:05.760 --> 01:46:09.479 Or wait? Am I thinking of kangaroo Jack? You may 2005 01:46:09.479 --> 01:46:11.199 be okay anyway, Sorry, what were saying? 2006 01:46:12.079 --> 01:46:14.199 It was a it was like boat trip? 2007 01:46:14.920 --> 01:46:18.680 Yeah, or it's like, yeah, two guys accidentally go on 2008 01:46:18.720 --> 01:46:19.520 a gay cruise? 2009 01:46:20.479 --> 01:46:22.239 Was that what this one was? Boat trip? I just 2010 01:46:22.319 --> 01:46:24.159 know the I remember the poster with him. It was 2011 01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:26.359 him in Horatio Sands. Yeah, I think it's like a 2012 01:46:26.359 --> 01:46:27.960 big gay panic movie or something. 2013 01:46:30.279 --> 01:46:32.000 Yeah, he didn't know. He didn't know, Zach, he didn't 2014 01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:32.680 know that was coming. 2015 01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:38.800 Oh yeah, okay, yes see I just pulled it up 2016 01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:42.279 on on on Wikipedia, and yes, it is indeed gay 2017 01:46:42.279 --> 01:46:50.359 panic movie. You ever been in a you ever been 2018 01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:53.159 in a helicopter like a huie like this a huie. Know. 2019 01:46:54.399 --> 01:46:56.079 I have been in a helicopter, though, and it was 2020 01:46:56.279 --> 01:47:00.920 really cool. Have you? I have not. I find it frightening. 2021 01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:09.039 Understandable. Yeah, when you look at them, they seem very fragile. Yeah, 2022 01:47:09.319 --> 01:47:10.680 and there's a lot of things that could go wrong. 2023 01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:14.479 But I've just always thought helicopters were amazing and not 2024 01:47:14.600 --> 01:47:17.239 like I went on some super exciting version. It was 2025 01:47:17.279 --> 01:47:20.199 like Branson, Missouri or something, and you know, a tour 2026 01:47:20.239 --> 01:47:22.079 over a lake or something. But you got to put 2027 01:47:22.119 --> 01:47:25.680 the headset on and talk. And I remember my brother 2028 01:47:25.760 --> 01:47:28.279 kept saying me and my brother kept being like, you 2029 01:47:28.279 --> 01:47:30.880 see the lake over? You know, yes, I do see 2030 01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:33.560 the lake over like a bunch of jackasses. And I'm 2031 01:47:33.560 --> 01:47:36.079 sure the pilot was like, just kill me, kill me 2032 01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:47.199 or copy. We're probably saying copy funny, but yeah, you know, 2033 01:47:47.319 --> 01:47:54.800 something I I dig is seeing like the second unit 2034 01:47:54.840 --> 01:47:58.079 of these real vehicles here. Yeah, you know, it feels 2035 01:47:58.079 --> 01:48:02.439 like you might take a little more shortcuts when you 2036 01:48:02.520 --> 01:48:04.840 can these days, because you can afford it, and effects 2037 01:48:04.840 --> 01:48:06.880 look as good as they do. But there's just something 2038 01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:10.239 about the lumbering weight of that big plane with the 2039 01:48:10.239 --> 01:48:12.560 bomb on it and these helicopters where it just feels, 2040 01:48:14.039 --> 01:48:16.760 I don't know, hard you like filming all of this, 2041 01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:18.159 and there's something about that. 2042 01:48:18.079 --> 01:48:24.880 I appreciate see all this stuff here. Yeah, appreciation of 2043 01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:27.239 the second unit I outstanding, which I concur with you on. 2044 01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:31.239 But it's such a weird diversion from what this movie 2045 01:48:31.319 --> 01:48:35.640 is actually supposed to be about. Definitely right, And given 2046 01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:39.880 that this movie is is, you know, twoh eight, you 2047 01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:43.000 could have easily cut out all of this business with 2048 01:48:43.199 --> 01:48:47.800 Daniels and Salt being chased by you know, McClintock's you know, 2049 01:48:47.880 --> 01:48:52.239 helicopter whatever and just get right to the showdown with 2050 01:48:52.359 --> 01:48:54.359 the bomber. I completely agree. 2051 01:48:54.399 --> 01:48:56.880 I think honestly, what might be more effective is if 2052 01:48:56.920 --> 01:49:01.720 you saw Dustin Hoffman in a dim lit room, sweat 2053 01:49:01.720 --> 01:49:07.960 on his brow close ups trying to talk that plane down. Yeah, yeah, 2054 01:49:08.319 --> 01:49:11.399 I think that, Yeah, so this is this. I mean, 2055 01:49:11.439 --> 01:49:14.119 I do appreciate this because it's difficult, like when they 2056 01:49:14.159 --> 01:49:16.439 put the plane going under the bridge kind of like 2057 01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:19.720 Terminator or two. But I will say I'm going to 2058 01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:21.720 speak out of both sides of my mouth. I also 2059 01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:23.159 don't find this scene very exciting. 2060 01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:26.880 No, I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, well, I think 2061 01:49:27.039 --> 01:49:30.760 the reason for that is because it exists outside of 2062 01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:33.680 the world the rest of the film has attempted to create. 2063 01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:37.159 Mm hmm. Right, Like again we're talking about it. This 2064 01:49:37.199 --> 01:49:39.079 is the whole movie is kind of heightened, and it is, 2065 01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:42.920 and you know, but like there there's the appearance of 2066 01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:47.279 being somewhat grounded, and then and then we get this 2067 01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:51.000 very obvious rear projection and helicopters firing and stuff, and 2068 01:49:51.039 --> 01:49:53.479 it's just kind of yeah, you're like, Okay, well, I 2069 01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:55.319 know Dustin Hoffen is not gonna die here. 2070 01:49:55.960 --> 01:49:59.840 Yeah, right, I don't know, going back to what you said, 2071 01:49:59.840 --> 01:50:01.640 are I don't know that it's stage very. 2072 01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:04.319 Well Yeah, no, I think I think that's part of it. 2073 01:50:04.199 --> 01:50:08.119 Like I'm not really tracking what's happening or this the 2074 01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:10.840 oh I don't want him to reach here or if 2075 01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:13.199 that guy gets there, that's bad. Like, I'm not feeling 2076 01:50:13.239 --> 01:50:13.600 any of that. 2077 01:50:13.720 --> 01:50:17.119 I'm just watching second unit of Helicopters, you know, kind 2078 01:50:17.119 --> 01:50:22.119 of cut together. Well, I think part okay, so we know, 2079 01:50:22.359 --> 01:50:26.000 we know that our guys are not gonna get killed, right, 2080 01:50:26.079 --> 01:50:28.680 So that that's one element of drama that's removed. So 2081 01:50:28.720 --> 01:50:30.399 then you say, okay, well then we should have a 2082 01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:34.399 ticking clock, right, and and that's where I think, like, 2083 01:50:34.600 --> 01:50:36.920 you know, you could have maybe heightened this idea that 2084 01:50:36.920 --> 01:50:40.560 that Renee Russo is dying and she's got this much 2085 01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:43.640 time before a vaccine won't work or something, you know, 2086 01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:46.640 something like that, totally right. And then and then we're 2087 01:50:46.640 --> 01:50:49.640 in a situation where the clock is ticking, and so 2088 01:50:49.720 --> 01:50:53.319 every every second of delay, that's what we're like, come on, 2089 01:50:53.159 --> 01:50:54.680 come on, you know, hurry. 2090 01:50:54.840 --> 01:50:59.840 That's a great, great point, Zachie. Yeah, because then you 2091 01:50:59.840 --> 01:51:02.800 get this business here where they fake their they start 2092 01:51:02.800 --> 01:51:05.199 the forest fire that ends up burning down all all 2093 01:51:05.239 --> 01:51:09.880 of the northern California. They're really good at point I 2094 01:51:09.920 --> 01:51:12.399 was like, hey, come on, we got enough problems in it. 2095 01:51:12.800 --> 01:51:15.800 That should be the after credits sequence. You know, this 2096 01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:18.800 blaze is getting out of control, it's a outbreak. 2097 01:51:19.520 --> 01:51:22.399 Well, as a result, they burning down this fire. They 2098 01:51:22.479 --> 01:51:26.600 unearthed some some hidden animal that has its own virus inside. 2099 01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:27.720 There you go, that's even better. 2100 01:51:27.760 --> 01:51:29.239 I was gonna just say, yeah, the second movie is 2101 01:51:29.239 --> 01:51:30.880 about trying to put out the fire, but you're that's 2102 01:51:30.920 --> 01:51:32.359 even better. That's on brand here. 2103 01:51:32.520 --> 01:51:35.359 Yeah, that's that's the post credit scene, you know. Yeah, 2104 01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:41.159 that's funny. Yeah. This whole thing, like with with the 2105 01:51:41.199 --> 01:51:45.199 helicopter flying low and again, it's just it feels like 2106 01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:46.119 it's in the wrong movie. 2107 01:51:46.199 --> 01:51:48.279 You know, you're toltally that whole thing, You're right, that 2108 01:51:48.319 --> 01:51:50.399 could all be lifted and we wouldn't ess. 2109 01:51:50.319 --> 01:51:54.880 It like it wouldn't impact the drama, you know. 2110 01:51:55.199 --> 01:52:00.880 No, no, yeah, you could literally do the exhale of 2111 01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:03.399 the whole getting the dart and to the monkey and 2112 01:52:03.439 --> 01:52:05.159 then cut to this shot we're seeing right here. 2113 01:52:05.520 --> 01:52:09.039 Yeah, and and that's about five minutes that you could save. 2114 01:52:09.680 --> 01:52:11.520 Yeah, and just like go go go, we don't have time. 2115 01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:13.439 My wife is dying, you know. 2116 01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:17.039 Yeah, yeah, and that's all be like your wife's air okay, 2117 01:52:17.079 --> 01:52:19.600 ex wife, and then that would be you know yeah, yeah, exactly, 2118 01:52:24.319 --> 01:52:29.079 m yeah, yeah, that could be our fan edit. Let's 2119 01:52:29.079 --> 01:52:33.640 do like the tofer Grace version exactly. Yes, he's like 2120 01:52:33.720 --> 01:52:34.680 lesser known movies. 2121 01:52:35.239 --> 01:52:38.399 Yeah, which he did a fan at it of the 2122 01:52:38.439 --> 01:52:41.479 first the prequels, right, he turned the three movies. 2123 01:52:41.239 --> 01:52:45.520 Into one, yes? Or was that the Hobbit? 2124 01:52:46.720 --> 01:52:48.880 I'm I know he did Star Wars for sure. 2125 01:52:49.039 --> 01:52:50.840 He may have done the Hobbit also. I feel like 2126 01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:51.880 he did the Hobbit also. 2127 01:52:53.479 --> 01:52:54.920 But yeah, it was one of those things where he'd 2128 01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:57.039 screen it for friends and stuff and people would talk 2129 01:52:57.079 --> 01:52:58.479 about how brilliant it was and I'm like. 2130 01:52:58.399 --> 01:53:02.399 Well, I want to see it. Yeah, seriously, this is 2131 01:53:02.439 --> 01:53:05.760 a this is a good scene. This is I agree. 2132 01:53:05.880 --> 01:53:08.479 You know, you got like a couple and the relationship 2133 01:53:08.600 --> 01:53:11.000 is ending and they've been through all this together and 2134 01:53:11.039 --> 01:53:13.920 she's dying and he's got you know, we know she's contagious, 2135 01:53:13.920 --> 01:53:16.560 and he's got the has Matt suit on, but he 2136 01:53:16.640 --> 01:53:18.079 takes the mask off. 2137 01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:21.319 I love it. What a guy. Now there's a man, Brian, 2138 01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:22.479 there's a man. 2139 01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:29.159 That's like, you know, you hear that thing. It's like 2140 01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:33.239 a meme basically where a girlfriend asks the boyfriend, would 2141 01:53:33.239 --> 01:53:34.399 you love me if I was a worm? 2142 01:53:35.479 --> 01:53:37.960 Do you know this? No? Like, would you still love 2143 01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:39.319 me if I was a worm? You know? 2144 01:53:39.399 --> 01:53:42.960 Kind of like these weird situations where it's like I, yeah, 2145 01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:46.720 you know, kind of like answers. This is like would 2146 01:53:46.760 --> 01:53:48.960 you love me if I had like a flesh eating 2147 01:53:49.159 --> 01:53:51.760 virus and I was contagious and you wearing a hazmat suit? 2148 01:53:51.760 --> 01:53:56.039 Would you take the helmet off? Uh? It's a note 2149 01:53:56.079 --> 01:54:01.199 from me. As I lean forward into the Mike Simon 2150 01:54:01.279 --> 01:54:08.560 Cowell style, that's a note from me. Yeah. See, I 2151 01:54:08.600 --> 01:54:17.079 can easily see Harrison Ford playing this role, Yes, I could. 2152 01:54:17.479 --> 01:54:20.600 I could even see mid nineties Mel Gibson playing this 2153 01:54:20.680 --> 01:54:25.720 role definitely, So I can see that being the You know, 2154 01:54:26.079 --> 01:54:28.479 it's harder for me to see stallone. You know, I 2155 01:54:28.479 --> 01:54:31.560 feel bad, I'm like picking on stallone. He's good at 2156 01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:32.319 what he's good at. 2157 01:54:32.479 --> 01:54:35.520 Yeah, but I agree with you, well, you at a 2158 01:54:35.520 --> 01:54:38.000 great point where it's like we never think he could lose. 2159 01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:41.720 I gotta admit I'm a little curious to see the 2160 01:54:42.319 --> 01:54:44.520 Harrison Ford version, just to see the different kind of 2161 01:54:44.600 --> 01:54:49.159 energy and what he brings. And but I think ultimately Hoffman. 2162 01:54:48.880 --> 01:54:51.119 Is the right choice. Hoffman is the right choice. But 2163 01:54:51.159 --> 01:54:56.319 I feel like Harrison Ford had had that unique presence 2164 01:54:57.039 --> 01:55:00.760 where you believed he could throw up bunch. But you 2165 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:04.000 also believed he was sensitive and smart. Yeah, that's a 2166 01:55:04.039 --> 01:55:13.319 trick man, like Harrison Ford was a unicorn. Yeah at 2167 01:55:13.319 --> 01:55:16.800 his prime, what he was able to convey and why 2168 01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:20.800 audiences wanted to see him. M hmm, it's amazing, you know. 2169 01:55:21.479 --> 01:55:23.119 You know, it's so funny. I just saw a picture 2170 01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:27.000 of him with Clista Flockhart on Reddit or something, and 2171 01:55:27.239 --> 01:55:29.439 I think he was in his eighties, and I was like, 2172 01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:32.880 damn it, that's a handsome guy. I'm telling I mean, 2173 01:55:32.880 --> 01:55:34.960 he's just like you said. I mean, he's he's a unicorn. 2174 01:55:35.079 --> 01:55:36.760 He's yeah, and he's one of those people. 2175 01:55:36.800 --> 01:55:38.680 I mean, I don't think people say this very often. 2176 01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:42.720 He he's a compelling actor, but is he an actor 2177 01:55:42.720 --> 01:55:45.239 with a lot of range? I don't really know that 2178 01:55:45.279 --> 01:55:48.399 he is, to be honest, but the thing he does, 2179 01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:49.840 we all love it. 2180 01:55:50.760 --> 01:55:53.680 Well, here's what we know. Wolfgang Peterson wouldn't have had 2181 01:55:53.720 --> 01:55:59.079 to act out how to turn towards camera per Dustin Hoffman. 2182 01:55:59.119 --> 01:56:02.600 Harrison Ford would have know how to do that. Like that. 2183 01:56:02.720 --> 01:56:06.800 I find that interesting, right, Like Dustin Hoffman occupying a 2184 01:56:06.920 --> 01:56:09.039 very different lane than Harrison Ford, but he felt very 2185 01:56:09.239 --> 01:56:12.800 he felt self conscious enough to verbalize that. 2186 01:56:13.359 --> 01:56:15.920 I mean that specific thing, like tell me how to 2187 01:56:15.920 --> 01:56:18.840 turn That is just like clearly someone who's in their head. 2188 01:56:19.239 --> 01:56:22.520 Yeah. You know what's interesting, by the way, is that 2189 01:56:22.840 --> 01:56:29.319 originally Dustin Hoffman was gonna be in Blade Runner, and 2190 01:56:29.359 --> 01:56:33.039 then he backed out and and it went to Harrison Ford. Wow, 2191 01:56:33.279 --> 01:56:36.720 talk about different, Like what would that movie be? 2192 01:56:36.880 --> 01:56:41.039 Like, you know, I can picture that, But like I 2193 01:56:41.119 --> 01:56:43.439 just said about this movie, that's not the version I want. 2194 01:56:43.800 --> 01:56:46.960 Yeah, right, I think things sort of went the way 2195 01:56:46.960 --> 01:56:49.760 they needed to, by the way, So so yes, Dustin 2196 01:56:49.800 --> 01:56:53.760 Hoffman did this grand romantic gesture exposing himself to his 2197 01:56:54.119 --> 01:56:58.479 wife here, and then the vaccine or whatever it is 2198 01:56:58.520 --> 01:57:00.880 you know, comes in and he holds her up to it. 2199 01:57:01.439 --> 01:57:03.640 It would be kind of funny if he's like, I'll 2200 01:57:03.680 --> 01:57:08.880 take that first. There's two bags, right, we have two. 2201 01:57:08.800 --> 01:57:12.520 Bags of orse. They plug it in and she starts convulsing, 2202 01:57:12.520 --> 01:57:17.600 and he's just like, oh, right, I made a mistake. 2203 01:57:18.600 --> 01:57:21.199 Had he had a lot pinned on that vaccine working, 2204 01:57:21.239 --> 01:57:26.359 you know he did? Yes, Now, what's funny about this 2205 01:57:26.359 --> 01:57:29.960 this standoff scene with the with the bomber, which I 2206 01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:31.920 think as as a piece of drama, I think it 2207 01:57:31.960 --> 01:57:35.439 works for the most part, But there's an episode of 2208 01:57:35.479 --> 01:57:41.279 the Clerk's animated series about an outbreak Okay that uses 2209 01:57:41.319 --> 01:57:46.000 this exact thing. Oh really, where it's like Dante is 2210 01:57:46.039 --> 01:57:48.840 trying to get through to the bombers before they bombed 2211 01:57:48.880 --> 01:57:52.239 the town. And I'm pretty sure the pilot on the 2212 01:57:52.279 --> 01:57:55.399 bomber is voiced by Brian Cranston, by the way, oh funny, 2213 01:57:55.800 --> 01:57:58.960 and and uh, he's like we're all here, you know. 2214 01:57:59.479 --> 01:58:03.399 He's like, uh, you know, we have a cure whatever. Uh. 2215 01:58:03.439 --> 01:58:05.640 And he's like, my name is Dante, and then like 2216 01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:09.439 Randall pipes up. He's like and he's gay. He's like, no, 2217 01:58:09.479 --> 01:58:11.239 I'm not, you know. And then and then the bomber 2218 01:58:11.279 --> 01:58:15.279 pilot voice by Brian Cranston's like, Dante, are you gay? 2219 01:58:15.399 --> 01:58:18.039 If you are, you should feel willing to, you know, 2220 01:58:18.239 --> 01:58:21.600 come out or whatever. Like is this whole thing that's 2221 01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:22.279 so funny? He is it? 2222 01:58:22.279 --> 01:58:24.760 Because I just watched DoD Day Afternoon for the first 2223 01:58:24.760 --> 01:58:26.920 time last night, and there's that whole moment where they 2224 01:58:26.920 --> 01:58:29.640 say that the police say, oh, yeah, there's two gay 2225 01:58:29.680 --> 01:58:32.239 men inside the bank robbing, and the one guy's like what, 2226 01:58:32.840 --> 01:58:35.520 like no, tell them, Like his whole thing becomes obsessed 2227 01:58:35.520 --> 01:58:38.520 with telling them that he's not gay or whatever. That's weird. 2228 01:58:38.840 --> 01:58:41.640 The overlap that's happening right now is very strange. 2229 01:58:41.239 --> 01:58:47.000 To me, you know. But in that vein, I could 2230 01:58:47.039 --> 01:58:49.840 I could have seen Pacino playing the Hoffman role in 2231 01:58:49.880 --> 01:58:52.640 this movie. I can see that too. Very different energy, 2232 01:58:52.640 --> 01:58:56.720 but I can see that. I could see that. Yeah, 2233 01:58:56.960 --> 01:59:05.760 old Town gonna die. I gotta tell you, the helmet's 2234 01:59:05.760 --> 01:59:09.239 coming off it. I'm here with you. Go shoot, what 2235 01:59:09.279 --> 01:59:13.680 do you gotta say? Smack? I like that me too. 2236 01:59:15.199 --> 01:59:18.520 So originally this movie is supposed to end with them 2237 01:59:18.600 --> 01:59:22.840 dropping the bomb on the town. If this had been 2238 01:59:22.840 --> 01:59:25.920 made in the seventies, that's the ending we would have gotten. See, Well, 2239 01:59:25.920 --> 01:59:28.680 that's the point. I'm like, I don't even understand that, 2240 01:59:28.760 --> 01:59:31.800 because I don't know how the movie that we've seen 2241 01:59:31.840 --> 01:59:33.279 up to this point could end that way. 2242 01:59:34.279 --> 01:59:39.199 No, I no, no, I can appreciate a movie that 2243 01:59:39.279 --> 01:59:39.880 does that. 2244 01:59:40.199 --> 01:59:43.479 If it had led to that. 2245 01:59:43.600 --> 01:59:46.720 Type of an ending, that's the point. It's making a point. 2246 01:59:46.760 --> 01:59:49.199 But here it would just feel like being subversive for 2247 01:59:49.319 --> 01:59:50.119 subversive sake. 2248 01:59:50.680 --> 01:59:53.079 Like what I read is that it was not only 2249 01:59:53.479 --> 01:59:58.079 scripted that way, but the effects with the bomb detonating 2250 01:59:58.159 --> 02:00:01.840 the water. It was originally showing that it was the 2251 02:00:01.880 --> 02:00:05.039 town being destroyed, and after test screenings they changed it. 2252 02:00:05.840 --> 02:00:11.119 What which I don't again I'm not understanding that. No, right, 2253 02:00:12.439 --> 02:00:15.960 so what's the ending? Like, I mean, believe in nothing 2254 02:00:16.439 --> 02:00:20.279 the everything this guy hero work for you, Like, it 2255 02:00:20.319 --> 02:00:23.560 doesn't make sense to me. Like maybe maybe the town 2256 02:00:23.640 --> 02:00:27.560 blows up and there's a like, you know, the word 2257 02:00:27.600 --> 02:00:30.800 gets out and you know, McClintock goes to prison or 2258 02:00:30.840 --> 02:00:31.399 something like that. 2259 02:00:32.239 --> 02:00:35.399 Or I could maybe see then Dustin Hoffin being like 2260 02:00:35.600 --> 02:00:39.439 damn it, you know, like they like it turns into 2261 02:00:39.479 --> 02:00:42.680 a this is what could happen, you know kind of 2262 02:00:43.000 --> 02:00:45.079 thing like if you know you don't you're not paying 2263 02:00:45.079 --> 02:00:48.880 attention and if you don't listen to the doctor's telling you, 2264 02:00:48.880 --> 02:00:51.119 you know, like they might blow up your town. Yeah, 2265 02:00:51.319 --> 02:00:54.199 maybe I can kind of see that, Oh this is 2266 02:00:54.199 --> 02:00:55.960 this that's like Billy. 2267 02:00:55.800 --> 02:00:58.520 Just told him how to stop the Oh well, well 2268 02:00:58.560 --> 02:01:00.439 then Billy, are you dumb or something? 2269 02:01:02.640 --> 02:01:04.159 You just told him how to stop. 2270 02:01:03.920 --> 02:01:08.800 The That's like for the audience, I feel like, for 2271 02:01:08.880 --> 02:01:12.520 the for the for the slower on the uptake people 2272 02:01:12.560 --> 02:01:13.439 in the audience, you know. 2273 02:01:13.680 --> 02:01:15.960 Yeah, that feels like you kick the writers out of 2274 02:01:15.960 --> 02:01:18.439 the room. You're like, look, this is what we need 2275 02:01:18.479 --> 02:01:21.239 to happen. Just pay someone twenty thousand dollars to rewrite 2276 02:01:21.239 --> 02:01:26.359 the third act. And some executive is like saying, like, 2277 02:01:26.439 --> 02:01:28.600 all right, get this down, and he's like, you know, 2278 02:01:29.279 --> 02:01:30.520 does a line. 2279 02:01:30.279 --> 02:01:33.079 Like Billy, are you dumb or something? He almost blew 2280 02:01:33.159 --> 02:01:37.800 up the oh and then he realizes and the guy 2281 02:01:37.960 --> 02:01:40.159 just collecting the checks like huh huh, like writing it 2282 02:01:40.199 --> 02:01:47.000 down to the leftop. But I think this idea of 2283 02:01:47.039 --> 02:01:54.199 of the the moral contest here that's effective dramatically. Yes, 2284 02:01:54.560 --> 02:01:56.920 I don't think you need Morgan Freeman to be like 2285 02:01:56.960 --> 02:01:59.840 so definitely don't be rut in front of them, say 2286 02:02:00.159 --> 02:02:01.239 me understand. 2287 02:02:00.840 --> 02:02:04.920 You know, yeah we are you saying then sorry, because 2288 02:02:04.920 --> 02:02:08.039 I was sort of half reading h if they just 2289 02:02:08.079 --> 02:02:11.680 did it on their own volition yeah, or or we will. 2290 02:02:11.760 --> 02:02:13.960 We are getting in your way. You are going to 2291 02:02:14.039 --> 02:02:16.159 have to get through us first, instead of needing to 2292 02:02:16.159 --> 02:02:17.199 be told that that was going. 2293 02:02:17.119 --> 02:02:21.000 To have a conversation between Salt and Daniels. Assault is like, sir, 2294 02:02:21.359 --> 02:02:23.039 if we're in their glide path, there's no way they 2295 02:02:23.079 --> 02:02:25.520 can get around us. And then Hoffin's like, and then 2296 02:02:25.520 --> 02:02:28.880 they can't drop the bomb. You know, yeah, do it. Yeah, 2297 02:02:28.960 --> 02:02:29.680 that's what you're right. 2298 02:02:29.800 --> 02:02:31.600 Like, it's like, yeah, but these guys have orders and 2299 02:02:31.600 --> 02:02:34.000 there's a real chance that they might plow through us anyway, Like, 2300 02:02:34.079 --> 02:02:35.880 do it. I don't care if there's a chance. 2301 02:02:37.000 --> 02:02:39.920 See, I'm sure the filmmakers are like, we also need 2302 02:02:39.960 --> 02:02:43.279 to really clarify that that, you know, Billy is on 2303 02:02:43.319 --> 02:02:45.680 the side of the angels, right, mm hmm. But I 2304 02:02:45.720 --> 02:02:48.199 think you could do that just as well by having 2305 02:02:48.479 --> 02:02:51.079 the people in that bunker being like, sir, he's in 2306 02:02:51.159 --> 02:02:53.520 the glidepath that they like they can't move, and you 2307 02:02:53.640 --> 02:02:56.920 just cut to Billy and he's smiling, you know, exactly exactly. 2308 02:02:57.760 --> 02:02:58.119 I see. 2309 02:02:58.119 --> 02:03:01.119 I would like that. Yeah, I feel like that would. 2310 02:03:00.880 --> 02:03:03.880 Work better, and that's probably more likely what they would do. 2311 02:03:03.920 --> 02:03:04.039 Now. 2312 02:03:04.079 --> 02:03:08.600 I feel like audiences scrutinize even harder as time marches on. Right, 2313 02:03:08.800 --> 02:03:14.000 audiences are less willing to swallow like on the nose 2314 02:03:14.319 --> 02:03:15.239 types of dialogue. 2315 02:03:15.239 --> 02:03:18.560 And but again, I will say, I remember watching this 2316 02:03:18.680 --> 02:03:20.640 and Theena and that Booley are you dumb or something? 2317 02:03:20.680 --> 02:03:26.039 You just told him and people in the audience, so yeah, 2318 02:03:26.119 --> 02:03:28.680 hey worked on that level. 2319 02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:32.760 Yeah, you know what, But again, yeah, we're judging something 2320 02:03:32.800 --> 02:03:34.279 that was made for nineteen ninety five. 2321 02:03:34.680 --> 02:03:40.479 Yeah, a very dumb time. We were a stupid stupid people, 2322 02:03:40.479 --> 02:03:43.960 weren't we, Brian, We know we were there, We lived it. 2323 02:03:44.159 --> 02:03:44.880 We were dumb. 2324 02:03:50.560 --> 02:03:55.520 Oh man, is there any like who could like rile 2325 02:03:55.640 --> 02:03:59.039 more feelings inside of you? What actor taking a microphone 2326 02:03:59.079 --> 02:04:01.880 and being like you will stand down? Yeah right, you know, 2327 02:04:01.920 --> 02:04:07.159 like Margan Freeman saying that is like, yes, sir, you 2328 02:04:07.199 --> 02:04:10.760 will place mclinn talk under arrest damn. 2329 02:04:13.119 --> 02:04:16.119 And then and then our guy gets the satisfaction of 2330 02:04:16.199 --> 02:04:18.920 arresting him. That's what I'm saying, Man, be careful who 2331 02:04:18.960 --> 02:04:20.479 you piss off on the way up, because you gotta 2332 02:04:20.479 --> 02:04:22.640 pass him on the way down. That's right, That's right. 2333 02:04:22.760 --> 02:04:25.119 And I love the Sutherland even addresses it like you're 2334 02:04:25.159 --> 02:04:25.600 loving this. 2335 02:04:25.600 --> 02:04:33.359 Aren't you? He was you know, he was a singular presence. 2336 02:04:33.439 --> 02:04:35.720 Donald Sotherland, you know we'll never see his kind again, 2337 02:04:35.800 --> 02:04:41.680 you know, absolutely? Yeah, So Dale died that that actor. 2338 02:04:41.720 --> 02:04:46.399 He's also in JFK in the sequence with with Donald, 2339 02:04:46.399 --> 02:04:50.439 Like Donald Southerland has the flashback, you know, Oh funny, 2340 02:04:50.800 --> 02:04:54.399 and he's the guy he's giving Sutherland orders. So it's just. 2341 02:04:56.319 --> 02:04:58.279 You know, it's funny. I almost because that's the movie 2342 02:04:58.279 --> 02:05:00.399 we're watching at the moment. Like I almost wish that 2343 02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:05.760 the Dale Dye had had some sort of snarky lineback 2344 02:05:05.840 --> 02:05:08.720 or repeated something ironically back to Sutherland. 2345 02:05:08.920 --> 02:05:11.960 But it makes more sense that someone in his position 2346 02:05:13.640 --> 02:05:18.039 wouldn't get more stoic. Yeah, and he's like a military advisor, 2347 02:05:18.079 --> 02:05:22.159 so he would know, yeah, yeah, exactly, look at look 2348 02:05:22.159 --> 02:05:27.000 at that bombshell, Rene Russo. Now again, bear in mind 2349 02:05:27.199 --> 02:05:30.920 she she's, you know, more than twenty four hours into 2350 02:05:30.960 --> 02:05:34.520 this thing, which is liquefying your organs. That's true. 2351 02:05:34.880 --> 02:05:37.239 What is not being reversed inside of her? 2352 02:05:37.319 --> 02:05:37.680 Right now? 2353 02:05:37.760 --> 02:05:42.279 That's It's like, that is a really good point, Zachi. 2354 02:05:42.319 --> 02:05:47.880 Right, Like the movie is really escalating the speed for 2355 02:05:48.760 --> 02:05:51.239 the process of the virus and how quickly it can 2356 02:05:51.279 --> 02:05:53.960 be undone, because I think I think once your organs 2357 02:05:53.960 --> 02:05:56.760 are liquefied or that process has begun, I don't think 2358 02:05:56.800 --> 02:06:00.000 you just caught a sort of you know, you can't 2359 02:06:00.119 --> 02:06:02.920 do like the hit fifteen seconds back button. 2360 02:06:03.199 --> 02:06:04.600 And you know what they should have done is they 2361 02:06:04.640 --> 02:06:06.960 should have shown the insides kind of like Allah three 2362 02:06:07.000 --> 02:06:09.800 kings and you see them melting. But then once she 2363 02:06:09.880 --> 02:06:12.680 takes the stuff, it's like Terminator two with like the mercury, 2364 02:06:13.199 --> 02:06:16.479 you know, liquid stuff like finding one another and reforming 2365 02:06:16.560 --> 02:06:17.479 into a solid shape. 2366 02:06:17.520 --> 02:06:21.159 And we see her heart like like I like the 2367 02:06:21.199 --> 02:06:25.319 flowers from e te reblooming or whatever. You don't see that, 2368 02:06:25.520 --> 02:06:25.680 you know. 2369 02:06:25.720 --> 02:06:28.359 What I would have loved is like, uh, oh, thank god, 2370 02:06:28.399 --> 02:06:29.159 you're doing all right? 2371 02:06:29.520 --> 02:06:30.600 It worked? It worked? 2372 02:06:31.039 --> 02:06:33.359 Did they get it in time to Kevin Spacey? And 2373 02:06:33.399 --> 02:06:37.119 we just see in the foreground, like his gurney with 2374 02:06:37.199 --> 02:06:40.720 him completely dead, like like being wheeled past. She's like, 2375 02:06:40.760 --> 02:06:52.119 I sure, hope, So I'm sure they did credits with 2376 02:06:52.159 --> 02:06:53.720 the machine. It's being wheeled past. 2377 02:06:56.960 --> 02:07:01.439 Oh man, wow, it's over. Yeah, the credits are rolling 2378 02:07:01.680 --> 02:07:06.880 all right. So outbreak thirty years later, what are we thinking? Uh? 2379 02:07:11.800 --> 02:07:16.039 Sorry, I know what you're getting into. This is a 2380 02:07:16.119 --> 02:07:19.000 complete mid nineties popcorn flick. 2381 02:07:19.359 --> 02:07:20.840 Yeah. 2382 02:07:20.960 --> 02:07:22.840 I didn't quite know that when I was getting back 2383 02:07:22.840 --> 02:07:26.439 into it, and I was a little like, what but 2384 02:07:26.760 --> 02:07:29.239 watching it now here with you and enjoying the parts 2385 02:07:29.239 --> 02:07:31.479 that are enjoyable and kind of laughing at the parts 2386 02:07:31.479 --> 02:07:34.560 that are laughable, like total fun throwback. 2387 02:07:35.359 --> 02:07:38.039 It's very much of an era. And that's one thing 2388 02:07:38.079 --> 02:07:42.920 that you know, I I am tickled whenever I get 2389 02:07:42.920 --> 02:07:44.960 a chance to sort of dip back into the way 2390 02:07:46.000 --> 02:07:49.880 blockbusters used to be. You know, and I say this 2391 02:07:49.960 --> 02:07:53.680 all the time, like normalize mid budget movies with mid 2392 02:07:53.720 --> 02:07:59.399 budget expectations. Totally and you know it. I think it 2393 02:07:59.800 --> 02:08:02.479 hard arkens back to a time we're going to the 2394 02:08:02.479 --> 02:08:09.800 movies was a primary, you know, source of entertainment, and 2395 02:08:09.880 --> 02:08:12.159 so people would go and there was more of an 2396 02:08:12.199 --> 02:08:16.479 opportunity for a diverse slate of things like this. Totally, 2397 02:08:16.640 --> 02:08:19.479 totally right. I mean when we look at the type 2398 02:08:19.720 --> 02:08:24.319 the movies that are turning thirty this year, there's only 2399 02:08:24.359 --> 02:08:30.520 one superhero in the mix, and that's that's a Batman. Wow. Yeah, 2400 02:08:30.600 --> 02:08:32.399 I guess judge dread. So let's say one and a 2401 02:08:32.439 --> 02:08:35.279 half superheroes. Sure, sure, but you know you got your 2402 02:08:35.319 --> 02:08:38.119 water World, you got your Apollo thirteen, you got your 2403 02:08:38.680 --> 02:08:41.640 you know, you got your this right here mm hmmm hm, 2404 02:08:42.720 --> 02:08:48.119 a lot of diverse, diverse and I appreciate that. Yep, yeah, 2405 02:08:48.159 --> 02:08:53.439 definitely yes, but hey, you know this is this is 2406 02:08:54.359 --> 02:08:59.039 definitely it has a different flavor now five years post pandemic, 2407 02:08:59.079 --> 02:09:00.439 I will say that it's true. 2408 02:09:00.520 --> 02:09:06.840 Yep, yep, it plays. You bring new things to it 2409 02:09:07.800 --> 02:09:10.000 that maybe you would not have in twenty nineteen. 2410 02:09:11.119 --> 02:09:14.600 That's very true. But hey, let us know. Let us 2411 02:09:14.600 --> 02:09:17.520 know your thoughts about Outbreak. Is this your first time 2412 02:09:17.560 --> 02:09:20.239 watching it, or are you revisiting it? 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Brian, anything you want 2432 02:10:16.840 --> 02:10:17.319 to hype up? 2433 02:10:17.560 --> 02:10:20.760 Yeah, episodes I've written of Puppy Dog Pals and Young 2434 02:10:20.840 --> 02:10:23.840 Jedi Adventures are available to stream on Disney Plus. 2435 02:10:25.279 --> 02:10:28.239 Here we go, and with that on behalf of my 2436 02:10:28.279 --> 02:10:30.119 partner Brian holl. My name is Zachie Hasa. This has 2437 02:10:30.119 --> 02:10:33.279 been our movie film commentary for Outbreak. We'll catch you 2438 02:10:33.319 --> 02:10:34.439 next time. Thanks folks,