Speaker 1: All right, let's try the Joe Rogan intro here three
to one. Okay, we're live and we've got Rodney on
the phone. Rodney is in what park? Texas? You live in?
Speaker 2: Rodney in Northeast Texas. I'm actually in Minneola, Texas is
where where I hang my hat. But at an hour,
I can be in Louisiana, Arkansas, or Oklahoma. So I'm
real close.
Speaker 1: Rodney is. I got in touch with Rodney because I
know a little bit, just a little bit about what
they do, and I wanted to get him on here.
So Rodney, thanks for coming on. Why don't you just
take a minute and tell us about the group of
guys that you have that y'all go out and hunt
for these things and try to gather information on them.
Can you spend a few minutes talking about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, you know the group of guys which you
know we do our expeditions and our hunts, you say,
you know, we've been together going on better than twenty years,
a lot of us. You know. Of course, we've got
some new guys that come aboard, and you know, we
got to school them and educate them on things they
don't know. And you know, for your basic outdoors like
myself twenty years ago, I walked through the woods and
you know, I didn't recognize tree brakes and twists and
formations you walk up on. You know, never in a
million years thought that we had anything like that, especially
down here where I lived. And I was just mesmerized
by once I got out with active researchers and found
out that, you know, we got them right here. I
don't have to go to British Columbia, I don't have
to go to Pacific Northwest. I mean, we got them
right here. What got me involved with it in the
very beginning was, and I think you seventy two, I
believe it was a legend of Bocket Creek come out
and being right there in fal Arkanas is a hawk
skipping a jump for us. So actually I started sitting
sending out emails and stuff and actually smoking Crabtree, the
movie that it was based on. Put me in touch
with the president and direct here for TBRC. I was
just I was like a kid in the Candy story, like, Wow,
there's a big book group right here that and they're
meeting this weekend twenty miles from me. I'm going to
be there. Then let's say I jumped aboard right then,
and I learned a lot from a lot of those guys,
and then several of them went out on their own,
and we kind of went out on our own independent research.
You know. All the politics or not that they were
right on, they just didn't fit my bill of cell
at the time. You know, I was wanting to learn
more about the creature itself and the tabits and and anything.
I was like a sponge man. I was like anything
I could take, and I was taken in and I started,
you know, over a course, over a period of time,
you know, you started developing fundamental skill as far as
want to look for in the seasons. And they are
migratory type creatures, and they do, you know, move, they
do move with the vegetation in the animals and the
game trails. And the group of guys I'm with now,
you know, you know, they offered me a spot membership
in their group many many years back, and we've been
together ever since. It's like my primary family. I talked
to them just about morning through my own family. You know.
Speaker 1: So well, let me stop you just real quick and
ask a question. I hope you don't mind me interrupting
every once in a while. But so you you leaped
off into this topic, not because of an encounter or
anything you had as a kid, but you you saw
some you saw the Boggy Creek Monster movie. You just
got real interested in it, and that's how you got
started in it, right.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, and then my grandmother, you know, of course
growing up as a child. My grandmother grew up and
was an Acadochi's, Texas and she had an encounter as
a younger girl. And of course I heard that same
story over and over for you know, eleven twelve years
of my life, and it's like I couldn't hear many
enough times, you know, I always had to hear it.
I always had that you know, that question mark in
the back of my head. You know that'd be so
you be so cool to you know, to actually see one.
And you know, I'm made a quest in my life
if I ever got the opportunity that I would be
part of something like that, in hopes it would be
blessed one day to see one of these creatures. And
you know, He's blessed me several times through the past,
and you know, I never I wouldn't give it up
for anything, and I guess my grandmother initially planted a
seed in me. And then of course the movie. And
I still watch that movie today if it comes on,
I'll watch it evenough I got the DVD. It's just
one of the things that's just it just keeps me
on the edge of my feet, and it just you know,
now that I know more about it, and it's not
too far fetch. I mean, you know, of course, you
got your nonbelievers, and they're welcome to their they're welcome
to their opinion. And you know, it's like people come
up to me all the time. We're you know, in
the big food community, you're under heavy script scriganization. No
matter what you do, what you say, or what evident
you produce would be tracked blood hair. They just want
a body. And I'm sure the government has already got several,
you know, no doubt in my mind on the But
you know, they say, well, can you prove to me there,
How can you prove to me there is I said,
how can you prove to me there's not two thousand
titans plus a year, even with you know, police officers
and dash cams and you know, not everybody's drinking and
not everybody's on drugs. I mean, it's a big primate
here for a reason. For what that is, we don't know,
but it's here.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. What did your grandmother call them?
Speaker 2: She called them, she called them bigfoot, She called them
a big foot.
Speaker 1: She didn't call them.
Speaker 2: Now that's usually all my friends from uh Mississippi way
that they call them that, they call them bookis, your
older generation, for the most part, they'd call them. They'd
call them bootis, And of course, you know, a lot
of your Native Americans and stuff. We had got a
few friends that actually grew up on the reservations. They would,
you know, call them that. They call them the tall
one and shadows in the forest and they just all
sorts of tall one was probably the most popular. And yeah,
my mem she called it the bigfoot, and that's what
our daddy told her it was, because she kept asking
what it was. Because of course, there wasn't any talk
back in my lord, this would have been back in
my forties, so there wasn't any talk of a bigfoot
or you know, lots of them. The crazy woman streaming
in the woods again kind of where they got it from,
and of course that crazy woman was a big foot
streaming in the woods doing this thing. It just wasn't
you know what the popularity of a before. It wasn't
notarized back then. You know, there was no no uh,
notoriety of it. You know, it just wasn't heard of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny, you said, that's what I call my grandmother,
me mom my, me mom. People. That's that's what we
told them. You were kind of introduced to it by
your grandmother, and then you're you're seeing things on in
the media about it, movies, and then you get really interested.
Then you joined this group and you're kind of praying
for an encounter. Uh can you can you kind of
move to that and let us can you talk about
your first encounter? Tell tell them all that that's what
that was like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, first encountering. You know, we're gonna to run
normal search missions. That actually just my son and I
went out to walk game trails and everything we wanted to.
We was just going, you know, to see if anything,
you know, the deer and your bigger wildlife has been
moving through you know, from the feet on its the
blackberries and you know, all of your forgees. They would
go for us. It was blooming yet. This was April
of two thousand and eight. That would be the first
time my son and aw, he was young, he's a
young guy, fourteen years old. And of course I had
my you know, I had my handgun with me under
you know, under my bluejee jacket. My son had his
little he had a little crossbow with him. I'm sorry.
It's a little compound boat we were walking through and
we were out a seven river bottoms. You know, it's
pretty expansive. It's it's a large place, bust up to
a wildlife management area. We come down through this draw
and we could hear I could hear something at this time. Mean,
you know, I wasn't new to it then I knew
what to call singles on calls sound like treeingnock, little whistles,
and I could hear that stuff from a couple of
different directions. We I just told, you know, my son,
we just kept onward through the fog. We would say,
you know, we just kept kept our nose to the ground.
Some one walking the trail and as we come up
around this, I guess there's bend on the trail itself.
And of course minding you in the Fine Woods region,
especially in that area around the Sabbage River. It's it's sick,
but you can see twenty thirty yards of visibility, and
you can see through the brush and stuff like that,
and of course the big pine there, you know, they're
staggered out. And as we come up by this, probably
about fifteen twenty yards, I would say this time, this
thing just steps out with its left foot. It steps
out in the middle of the trail, with its arm
hanging down on the left side of its right hand.
It's still got a hold of the tree. No, this
tree is probably so was a bat man, probably eighteen
to twenty inches in diameter. And the way he had
his hand around the tree, as I could see his
fingertip on one side and I could see his thumb
on the other side inside of the facing us. So
he's almost calm in this tree. But looking at his faces,
he was as startled as that us being there is
it's stepping in front of us because we both come
to the hall. Of course, my son, being young, you
was he you know, he didn't know what to do,
And be quite honest with you, I didn't know what
to do either, but I knew not to run, but
it wasn't acting aggressive or anything of that nature. It did.
And this something you will hear a lot of times,
even as I listened to some of your videos. It'll
flip their lip, you know, the top clipp It flipped
the flip and bolted in a couple of times. And uh,
it did let a low you know, a guttural deep
guttur old ground, but not it's more like a dog
that you spooked or something. It was like, you know,
just a real short gasping, a good old grow. And
I mean you could feel it in your chest, you
really could. And I don't know if that's how they
produced this infra sound that they do or part of
their you know, part of their equipment that they hunt
with or whatever, but it does freezy, and you know,
it's like for this thing, I would guess was probably
as he went on about his business. We kind of
the top of my stand on top of my fingers
are at eight foot in his head, you know, of
course they kind of been over a little bit. Top
of his head was still a round to eight foot mark.
And of course this thing kind of goes down, you know,
is left arm is the one hanging to the side
has down, you know, probably about six inches blow of
his knees. He kind of goes down like he's going
to go on fours, and you know, of course my son,
he has his compound bowl and he's got it hanging
down to the side. Nothing aggressive. And I start to
reach into my jacket as he goes down on fours
because I always keep wanting a pile flocks and loaded
just in case. But I didn't want to have to
go there because I always tell myself I don't want
to ever shoot one, because I definitely don't mean no harm.
I just soon put my hand up and wave at
it and hope that some type of communication, be honest
with you. But being my son was there, and if
I had to, I definitely would have been a jump
forward or anything like that. I believe I could have
emptied the clip. I that it would have done a
lot of good, but it would have been it would
have been working, you know, to save my son myself.
But I just told my son, I said, look, don't
make our contact with it. Look down, and we both
kind of look toward the ground. I said, we're going
to start taking a few backsteps, and we started, so
it stood back up again, and as fast as it appeared,
it disappeared. Now, when I say disappeared, you hear stuff
all the time about all the same time warping and
all this stuff. Well, I'm not a big believer in
that personally, and that's his own personal outsake of it.
But I could see clearly, you know, for like I said,
about twenty five thirty yards in any direction, and I
seen it go past the tree and down this draw
and I seen it look back over its left shoulder
one time at us, and it seen that we wasn't
doing anything aggressive. We wasn't running, we wasn't moving, but
I was trying to was bobbing my head trying to
watch this thing. And as it got about twenty five
thirty yards from us, I walked up to the tree
in which it had come out from behind, and look,
I couldn't fee it. I could hear, you know, it
sounded like a little miniature bulldoze or a boss cat
going through there. That you could see the tops of
these saplings and stuff, you know, these ten twelve fourteen
foot saplings just leaning over as it was going through,
is pushing on them. But I could never see it
again after that. Of course, some more whistles and stuff
come from the east of us, and actually some more
whistles come from behind us. You know. It was just
amazing how fast it blended, blended because it's a mash
of its environment, no doubt about it. It's a mash
of its environment. You can walk, I mean, I should
have seen the things standing beside the tree before I
ever got to the tree. And it's like, I'm very observant,
you know, because there's you know, there's an occasional bear there,
a little black bear, but you know, bears, a bear, dogs,
you know, we got big cats down here, and you know,
of course tyotes were general. I don't worry about those
too much, but you know the big cats they do
jump out of trees and they make their shove well alone,
you know, and you know there is a dangerous Why
there sat on when you time them in the wood,
and this thing just disappeared, and I could hear it
paced us all the way that we probably quarter miles
in the parking area. I'm pretty sure there was a
couple of them pacing us, and we'd stop, it would stop,
your normal And I told my son, I said, they're
going to follow us just about all the way out.
They come this far, they're going to follow us all
the way out. Of course you'd have a little rock
and pebble sometime you something get thrown, not at us,
but by us. This is kind of their way of
lett us know that they keep on moving, you know,
That's that's what they're telling you. Of course, when I
got out of there, we got back to the vehicle
unloaded up, we were That's kind of when the adrenaline
really hit in. It's like you really set in on
what had just happened, and you got to kind of
soak it all in and evaluate and reevaluate. Of course,
I called my team members and plain to them what
it had and then a few days later myself along
with one of my other colleagues, we went out and
as we went in there, you know we've seen a
little bit more territorial markers for exformations. Kind of went
in a different different direction and went that away and
seen those markers. You know, a lot of you know,
I definectated that just took into the warning they're very
adamant about, and that's why they put another especially the
ex formations that I mean, when you see one of
those that's just a territory marker for other bigfoot or whatever,
and also for us humans even though most people have
not a clue what it is. But it is a
big old keep out time. Basically you just spelled out
in English for everybody. You know, a lot of people
have found found that out the hard way, being chased out,
having rocks thrown at him, I mean tree trunks slung
at him. I I've seen, I've seen quite a bit.
Speaker 1: I'm curious about your your son. Does he talk about this?
How old is he now?
Speaker 2: Each twenty?
Speaker 1: Now, it's amazing you had a a witness there with you,
so you can corroborate everything. It's not like you were
out there just thinking you saw something. I mean, y'all
really saw it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, he thinks about it, and uh it's
not as that's not the scariest and kinder he's been
involved in. But he's had one little more hair and that.
But it wasn't you know, it didn't do anything to
him or anything.
Speaker 1: But is he a part of your group?
Speaker 2: Yes, there he is.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's a father son deal. That's great. That
must be fun for y'all y'all y'all go out camping
and stuff on your excursions, and is that how do
you do that?
Speaker 2: Well, we usually have planned you know, planned event. We
usually you know, pick date and look at the weather
and uh, timmy year, you know, knowing these things should
or possibly to be moving through, and we planted around
in times and you know, sometimes it's just him and
I and you know we've introduced another lot of time
friend of his into it. And of course his father's
had encounters in his middle lives, you know, midd lives,
and you know it's fun to hear his encounters and
stories and you know, the young getting the younger generation
involved involved in something like that, or they take notice
and get comfortable with it. You know, it was an outstanding,
an outstanding especially being fathered something like you're saying it.
I mean, there's there's not too many father and sons
that can say they've seen getting in experience what we've
been into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it definitely gives y'all something to talk or
talk about at the dinner table. I'm sure. So that's
your first encounter and it wasn't a violent encounter. It
was a pretty benign encounter. And this thing. This thing
pretty much just walked away and they tracked you out
moving forward. How how have things progressed with your with
your search for this thing? Other? You said your son
had a more hairy encounter.
Speaker 2: Do that?
Speaker 1: Do you have y'all ever had any aggressive behavior from them?
Speaker 2: Well, we've had I mean we've had some pretty this
saus boulders. I call them bowlders because there's a size
of a bowling ball. And I mean we've had them launched.
We've seen them be they've been launched from the tree line,
which would be you know, forty fifty feet from us.
Of course it was in the late evenings and stuff.
And this thing these things come now where the rock
where they got them from? I have no idea, but
just to that something with an opposing thumb, So no
that the question for a bear or anything to throw
anything at anybody. You know, these things come launching out
of the tree line well quite a bit of velocity.
And I mean how these things are so accurate. I'm
pretty sure it's part of their hunting skills. I mean,
these things can launch tree trunks. I mean, you know,
I believe with six eight foot tree trunk gets slung
like a boomerang. I mean you can hear it coming
through the air, man, I mean literally you can. You
can hear it coming through the air as you can
imagine when you pick up us helicoportable. It's horrible. But
we've had you know, we've had them screaming holler, I
mean in the fish black and you know, you can
watch one on the fleer and you can watch it running.
But when it's running at you and screaming, and when
you look off and there's another one in there screaming
obviously in the guttural growl. When these things growl, it's
not like going to the zoo and listening to one
of the Big Five growl at you. It's a whole
different deal. I mean, your way beyond paying attention, your
way beyond that these things are. You know, I grew
up and it was a very outdoors guy. I'm not
scared of anything, and these things make me nervous. They
I mean, you don't have every I mean anything that
can launch rocks that you know, I use two hands
to pick up for the most part, and these things
are chunking them like they're you know, tennis ball, and
when they hit the ground they embed in the ground.
It's like, you know, there's several different occasions, you know,
you find pigs and pigs have been of course, the
lego be tore off and from where it's swung it
against the tree, you know, I actually be rip part
of the rib cage embedded into the tree. Of course,
they take what they want, you know. It's just something
that can do that, especially a hog as me and
as them things are. I mean, we're not talking little babies,
and we're talking sows and hogs up in the three
hundred pound plus range, you know, big, a huge one.
Towels of their next, you know, next hold it back,
you know, just pull it straight back, and they tore off.
And the strength of these things is unimaginable. I wouldn't
want one to get a hold of me. I really wouldn't,
you know. And I pray to God every time I
go out to allow that thing to know that I
mean and no harm whatsoever. And I would never never
try to violate it its space of privacy in that matter.
But these other things that are running out there, I'm
gonna call them what they are. They're monsters. These things
are the snouts. And that's a whole different topic because
we're not talking about the same species or or animal
at all.
Speaker 1: What do you want to do? You want to talk
about that now or do you want to hold it
for later? I mean, that's you and I talked about
that earlier today when we set this pointment up to
do this recording, and that's fascinating stuff. You want to
wait or you want to talk about your.
Speaker 2: Ya, I'll get in I'll get into it. I'll see
about that other encounter. The son and I I we
were up there and up an Oklahoma area and the
time eat yeeson. We actually was waiting for one of
the other colleagues to show up next morning. And where
we pat up there is a wild Lofe management area
that busts right up to the It's an old campground,
I mean it's and it's old. I mean there's no
no water, no electric, no anything. It's just it's an
old fishing can sole it is. Of course, I parked
my truck up there in front of the tent, and uh,
you know, it was colder and all. And this is
a right mid February and we're sitting there and we're asleep.
Of course, I got my little little rat carrier. Of course,
you know, he thinks he's a pit bulldog. These thinks
she's mean, but it's about twenty pounds of nudared fatness
is all he is. He thinks something, but he she
used to it looks like a big old sausage with
a little head on it. He's crazy like that. Oh yeah, Well,
Dylan is about about two o'clock in the morning. Know,
he needs to relieve itself. So he opened up the
tent for him, and I said, look, just just step
out and move to the right and you'll bill take
you know. Of course my dogs needed to go at
the same time. When the dog goes out around the
edge of the tent. Well, I've been hearing I been
hearing something move around back behind the tent, which I
didn't think much of it because they have a lot
of raccoons. We've done run a couple of them all
they're trying to take her. We made some soup and
left the cans out. Of course they got my trash.
Had to run them off, and didn't think a lot
about it. But then I kept hearing something and this
the first time this is happening. You heard something sniffing
sniffing around the base of the tent. It was more
than agily than a human or your riders, you know,
very deep. I mean, the breastless thing was when he
was in heal and was quite large. And I'm sitting
there thinking, and uh, every once in a while, O miles,
I could hear you hear something slap the fabric of
the outside of the tent on the backside. So and
I hadn't heard it for a while, but evidently one
of these things, whether it have been an adolescent a
younger one would be my guess, must have been kind
of hunkered down on the backside of the canny, real
close proximity of it. So when the dog walking on
that first corner, you would have thought he got hit
by a car. He screeched, scared the hell out of
me and my son. He falls back into the tent
and he's got done yet. So you can use your
imagination if there was a rainbow in air, right, yeah,
and that's like what the hell and the dog comply
back in the tent. He was still on himself. And
then I hear the same run on. I jump out
of ten. I hit the spider, of course, go through
that I'm looking for eyeshine morning and the shadow greer,
I'm looking for eye shine. It's always a nice red
red eye, you know, a glowing red eyes, you know,
while they're that color, I don't know, but that's the
fellers that I look for. See way wound up being
more funny than anything. But it was scary at time
because you know, he's, poor fella, he's asking, he's ask away,
sitting there and dog comes featuring and hollering back around
at him and everything they sing. Puscle takes out run
and carried me that it all happened, because that was
you know, I was relaxed, just laying there and all
this breakthroughs like that. He was laying in sleep sleep
winkle the wrest of the night, and know did he
and he you know he we slept in the center
of this tenth and six man tent. You know, it's
just it's just one of the one of the simple,
I guess, simpler encounters. But as far as aggressive, I mean,
we've been we've been running out of the woods like
on day Tree if the stuff myself not my son
on this and with my colleagues, we've had these things
literally Chase us out. I mean they chased us out.
We were running from it, and it was running behind us.
And when we got to the tree line and we
broke into a clearing, I guess close enough to our vehicle,
and we've had a you know, a dent knocked into
the back of the truck and stuff like that on
the quarter pack back behind the right rear wheel, you know.
As we took off, flap it real good like it
and it was dark, but I mean it was coming.
I mean, if we wouldn't have been a few steps
ahead over or we don't know what would happen, to
be honest with y'all, be just pure speculation there. I mean,
it may have let us go. It may have mauled
us up. I don't know, but I know it was
we started out chunking, jumping things at us and screaming
in a very violid manner. We may have been too,
plus may have been a cub, you know, young and
there somewhere. I've only seen one female in my time,
you know, of course. You see, she had breast and everything,
and she was adam it about making sure we didn't
come any closer, and than the males chimed in and
they run us out of there, and they let us
know real quick they did not want us there, and
of course we listen to their instruction. You know, we
got out of there dealing with one A look different
than three or four. I mean, we've been surrounded by
I would say three to four of these things at
a time. And it's not like, you know, it's a
real top family unit.
Speaker 1: I've never been even near one that I know of,
But I think I'm going to know if they want
me gone. And you just know that, don't you?
Speaker 2: You feel it? It's not that you you know, sometimes
you get this like man's look, I'm being watched. You
really need to pay attention to it. That's like something
watching you. Still, like something's watching them. You tell yourself, now,
I've never heard that happen out here. And you keep
that feeling. Chances are you know, are you saying something
other or not about you put up gearnets and stuff dearly?
You let deer come in and pick your fruit, trees
and your stuff like that, you know, throw them up
for you. They follow them, you know them berries and
if you got berries and when and while the fruit
and stuff like that growing, and the deer are coming.
I can assure you you have would there be any
kind around your house that you've got one somewhere not
real far from you. Just the crazy things they do.
They just do some whether it be horse trading with
you know, they'll take your stuff and leave your skull.
You'll find the skull that you know wasn't there the
other day. Rock that don't belong in that area. They'll
just show up. You'll find them in a power or
stacked up or gave r up by your house. Sometimes
you'll find you'll start focusing on things that you never
would have looked for before. When you start once they
let you know that, hey, this is what I do.
You know, everyone of us got their own calling guard,
I guess you would say. And you'll find the limbs
and that are from any trees that you have right
there in your immediate area. You know, sometimes it's people
just overlook at you see a branch that are now
we really don't process that, but you look at that
kind of something. Just that simple can be the difference
whether you have one right there in your media area
immediate area, or if it's just passing through or migrating
to north or south and looking for a mate. There's
just so many different just so many different scenarios that
can play out.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Every time I talk to somebody out they
say something, it's like you just mentioned, there'll be a
tree limb laying there that doesn't belong there. On one
of these old logging roads that I take my dogs
back on, there's a bunch of hardwood back there, and
then there's a bunch of pine pine thickets. About a
week ago, we had a pretty good wind come through
and I walked past. There was a pine branch right
in the middle of the road. And I walked past
it two or three days in a row, and then
I stopped yesterday, and I was gonna move it either way,
because I run my four wheeler back through there every
once in a while. And I got to looking around,
and that's in the middle of the hardwoods. There's not
a pine tree for one hundred yards in either direction,
and I know the wind wasn't strong enough to blow
it through the woods and all the way out in
that road. Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I'm talking about. Something just that subtle.
It's something that subtle that they may be putting up
there to see if you realize that that's even happening.
And then once they see that it draws your attention.
You may be looking for more of those type of
branches even closer to your house. Just keeping eye on
things like that, and then things I like that. I
mean rocks, Rocks are their favorites. Rocks. They'll bring rocks,
river stones, and sometimes of larger pea, gravel and stuff. Well,
there's none of this around here. What the hell is
this rock doing way up here? I mean, where did
this come from? I had dug up one of these
around my house at twenty Here is where did this
come from? Sometimes you know, they'll set it in the
most obvious place where they know that you. Frequently they see,
you know, walk your animals, dogs, you know some other things.
You've got a good plan I call it, or a
family unit. They see that you're In general, they don't
like dogs because dogs give them up. Dogs will for
the most part, start barking at them, give away their
location and stuff. And this is why you hear so
many dog fatalities and injury to dogs themselves in that nature,
because that's what happens. Now, you do also have the
one to see that you love and take care of
your animals. And they also they know what affection is.
You know, they have it as a family unit. It's
like you see primate grillas. You know the mothers holding
they're young that they actually nurture the nurture their own
and they recognize that you don't have a negative attitude
or they can feel these things. And you know you
can feel a tension. You don't have to see it,
you can feel it. If somebody's upset or are in
their body language, you can you know they read a
lot off.
Speaker 1: The bad dogs can pick that up. I know that
about dog. They know when I'm tense, and they know
when I'm angry, and they know when I'm happy. And yeah,
I agree with that. That is so funny.
Speaker 2: Horses. Horses are number one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm horrible with horses. Avoid them. Every horse I've
ever been on has tried to kill me, so I
just stay away from them. But that's funny. Because Rick
Wells Woodburger Farm. Are you familiar with him.
Speaker 2: I've heard the name. I don't know personally.
Speaker 1: He lives up in Kentucky. Just a great guy and
he emails me every once in a while. And after
he heard that heard me say that, he was like,
you got him. You got them there. If they're picking
all you blackberries, you got them. I just can't.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: I just can't believe it. It's just hard for me
to believe because I just don't. I'm not that observing,
I guess. But anyway, well, now, so through all your
studies and your it's not scientific study, but you're you
guys are observer and you're always looking for anything different,
anything strange that you cannot that you can connect with
these things. And then you just start putting two and
two together, don't you.
Speaker 2: And you yeah, a lot of it is too. Like
the first cast I casted from down in that area,
uh you know down there you know is you know,
it's outside of Paris, Texas. And I got this cast. Well,
mister Chilcutt, which I know you remember that name, he
was a forensic. He does all the fingerprints and the
footprints and stuff. This is what he does. And of
course Jeff Meldram and my footprint got presented to him.
That's why he was. You know, they have that big
Foot College in Jefferson, Texas. Once a year, my cast
was presented to him, and he went over with a
fine tooth comment. It was it was deemed of an
unknown primate. Appreciate it was, you know what we call
it thirteen seventy six. I mean it wasn't at thirteen
inches long, seven inches across the ball six at the
hill and this one. I'd seen this thing at night
time from from probably about seventy five yards. We built
when we go out, we'll build two or three different fires,
dummy fires would call them, you know, but we and
we'll sit at one. But we looked and I could
see something messing around the fire or the gloves of
the ambers and the fire, and of course lo and
behold over there and we can see it. It was,
you know, it was messed within everything. And of course
didn't see it very clear into that next morning. Well man,
just a perfect footprint. Man hit all the toes. I mean,
there's so much detail. I mean, see the toenails. You
could just see. It's such a perfect cast. And you know,
it was my first cast to personally cast myself, so
it was a real big deal to me, you know,
and I still got it to this day. It's like, man, wow,
you know, yeahnt you know they're hard to come across
and couldn't do it. The smart they're very smart dried
on to leave tricks. And that's why you see a
lot of these, a lot of these videos and these
pictures of these trees that are bowed over. You know,
they'll use these things. They'll jump up top tree and
they'll swing on the dude, you know, bowl that tree over.
Of course, that helps them skip about twenty foot. You
know when they get up on these trees and ride
the top of the back down to the ground, and
you know, it throws you off and it helps two
different things. You know, I've heard this before and I
agree with it. Is the tension off that tree that
bowls over. It keeps from the impact, the landing impact.
It probably helps them absorber injury. You know, when you
have something like that, it you know, helps cushion their fall.
Its kind of like a spring. It gets so far
in the things they go over there already on the
ground that you see these mainly in pine trees because
they're flexible and these little Douglas furs and stuff like that.
You'll see them, you know, arched over and you'll start
seeing that and a lot of the woods if you
start really walking through and paying attention real good, you'll
see these things. These trees are just arched, perfect arches.
Well it's not from winterfall or snow the way to
the snow hanging out on them. It'll give that appearance.
But then you've got all these other trees right around
it that aren't doing anything. So the more you start
looking at that, I'm a wifely you know, started getting
real good at noticing tree brakes and twist and man,
we've tried to simulate them with chain pons, chain ranges,
draft ranches.
Speaker 1: All right, well that's interesting. I got trees bowsed too,
But we're not gonna go off on that rabbit hole.
Let's see you got them.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep saying I don't. But but you know
why I say that, because I live in North Mississippi
and we're just in the mud. We don't have any
rocks or you know, it's just all went all winder long.
We're just in the mud. And I look, I've gotten where.
I just kind of I'm not used to looking down
while I walk unless i'm looking where I'm stepping, but
I've gotten where. I kind of I'll check down, you know,
for thirty forty yards, and then I'll start looking at
everything else. And I never I'm looking for a track.
If I ever saw a track, I'd say, yep, yep,
there here. But anyway, now you got how long. Let's
say you got into this in two thousand and eight,
is that.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's that's when I had my first That's
when we had our first siding. Now, I mean I
got I got into it and started actively researching, you know,
going out as a as a team, as a teammateer,
you know, part of an expedition team Tallway around two thousand,
two thousand and one, and you know, of course I was.
I was on the computer NonStop. I was researching. And
actually there I live it. Now. You can look it
up on the database of the website you look at,
you know, the siding database as one you look for,
it's going to be a I believe this is Mineola,
Texas on it and actually a stone's throw from my
house now. And there's actually a lady that lives and
I know exactly where our house is. I mean, we
went and did interview this lady and you can actually
see where hunt her children and there. They had a
German shepherd dog at the time. And they went back
just right behind the house, and the husband was a
truck driver. She started having you know, hearing things and
stuff like it. It was didn't think much of it.
But one day they went back to pick a bushel
of blackberries. The dog kept getting in front of her,
trying to block her from getting to the BlackBerry bush.
A huge bush man, it is huge. But this thing
stood up from on the backside of it, and it
towered above it and of course give them a good
stare down. Of course the dog. They beat the dog
to the house, you know. So uh, and you can
and you can look that one up. I mean, that
one's that's that's been verified and uh that's out. There's
another church family just out there behind the lake fork
and uh, which is twenty miles probably from where that
siding is. Uh family coming home from church. Notice the
one behind the spillway by the dam. And it's very
open there. I mean, you see one. You watch it
run for hundreds of yards before it can get back
into the woods. And they watched it cross you know,
Highway one eighty two or FM one eighty two, which
is behind runs behind the damn with like fort. You know,
this is a family coming home from church. So uh,
let's just too starting to try to hear it. And
there's been several others that wasn't reported. You know a
lot of people were fraid of being ridiculed, and and
then you don't. I understand that better than anybody. I
got family the ras the hell out of me over it.
I tell them, well, you know, instead of ridicule, I
mean what you go out? Now you go out? I
would okay, I see how that is. You share it
when we go see the truth, you know, And you
can't guarantee you know, I can't. I'll take you out
and this is going to happen. I can just about
promise you'll hear tree notts and then calls if you
know what you're listening for. I can't about guarantee that
I happened, But can I guarantee you one's going to
walk up into camp. We've had that happen, just everybody
out doing everything and you hear something about pedal, you know,
about people coming up behind us in the woods, just
just just like you are coming up from from ben
out fishing, come walking back up into camp, and of
course just stop shout out outside of camp. I mean,
you know you're talking twenty thirty feeture just outside of
the glow of the fire and you hit the flaars
unit out that way and you can see it standing
everybody as large as life, and then myself with a
guy with a video. You know, you're trying to document,
document everything, I mean, every quire. I mean it requires
sec casular evident. I mean, it requires this, so we
get in after it. Me you know, you know, we
run in after it. I mean trying to get a shot,
get that money shot, you.
Speaker 1: Know, right yep.
Speaker 2: And of course we've already with the group and everything.
Of course a lot that's us coffee, righted, So you know,
of course I can't think anything anybody. But you can
go MK Davis's website and you can see some of
the video. I mean, we've got three of them in
one frame to them having a pushing match and a
bigger one shows up that just makes these things look
like look like nothing. I mean, this thing's huge and
it's just pushing kid foot plus I mean, and you
can see it. I mean, you know it's always burrier.
What they don't know in these videos is you see
these you see these creatures, but it's not a direct
shot of these creatures. What we did, what we did
to be able to capture these things because they're very
camera smart. Like I said, these things are masters in
their environment. And you will hear this time and time
again if people put game cameras out and being messed with,
turned torn up, disappear, you'll hear this time and time again.
But we got them interested in mirrors. We set mirrors
up against trees and we shoot the camera at the
mirror which would reflect show you the reflection back behind
behind them. So some of the shots are you know,
the little blo but you can still see what they are.
You know. There's a couple of M. K. Davis uh
uh and these Texas uh you can you can see
you can go watching yourself and kind of look at them.
There's one that it's going into a garden, a garden
there in this right side of our friend's house. I
mean they go in and take corn. I'm not sure
if he's got that one on there, but these steps
over the fence comes back out with a corn cob
in his mouth, and it's a it's a very small
one about fall real thin. You know, it didn't feel
it out yet, I don't mean, but it looks like
it's a a little small hairy man and it moves
a lot quicker, and it's got a long lady steps
right over that battle fire fence, like you know, the
steps over the mirror.
Speaker 1: How big a mirror do you use?
Speaker 2: We use like the mirrors that you see on the
back of here, like little three or four dollar mirrors
you buy like loads and that you get on a
uh put on the back of your doors in the
bedroom or something real fIF cheesy. They're about war foot
by true foot, war foot by foot and a half
and with and you're just we pop them up against
the trees in different angles, and of course shoot the camera.
Speaker 1: At the mirror. You point the camera at the mirror.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, And that gives you the reflection back behind
you in any angle you want to watch.
Speaker 1: That is brilliant. Then that is a brilliant way to
do that. I have never thought of that anyway. Go ahead.
Speaker 2: When we started doing that, our our luck change change
for the better. I mean, we started getting we started
getting some crazy you know, just crazy video and it's like, wow,
that's all we had to do. It's like, you know,
and of course you have you want to come up there.
This is one big one. It come up and uh,
it's seeing it's reflection in the tree on the mirror.
And of course the tree that it was showing it
thought there was another sasquatch. Evidently, so in atacts the tree,
you know, and you fit in this tree as usually
in this tree is an old pino is probably one
hundred years old. It's four foot diameter. If I put
it the face, this thing hits this tree, it sounds
like a truck hitting the tree, I mean, and you
can hear the upper branches rattle. Of course, mind you,
this is in the middle of the night. You got
the ir glow from the art, you know, light on it.
So you never see anything that does some great you know,
you see some charcoal gray hair. Du and you hear
this thing grunting and stuff like you're trying to root
this tree, give it a dall. And had it been
a smaller tree, you know, two three foot, I believe
it might have got it to lean a little bit.
Speaker 1: But let me, I know, everybody listening is there. I
can already see the comments. Where are the pictures, Where
are the videos? Where are the pictures where everybody wants
to see the pictures and videos? Do you have a
do you got does your group or do you have
a social media side or something?
Speaker 2: A lot of that stuff is is coffee, right, and
they do not post a lot of it. However, one
of them members did release a couple of them to
go to M K. Davis, very well known. He tried
to and do some enhancements on it. You can actually
look look up into M. K. Davis Parish, Texas and
he's got a couple of videos in there, and then
two in which I told you you got one called
Whitey running. It's got there's a white one and it
gets taught by the reflection of the camba the camera
to the mirror. Like I'm telling you it wasn't twenty directly,
if you can see this thing running from the left
to right, it comes back behind the barn and it's
across a ditch and back behind their house. Can see
this thing the blistering speed in which it can move
at that size. First of all, jaw dropping, and of
course you still have the three that uh, the two
having a shoving match. There's a white one in black
one having a shoving match, and then this big one
comes into and right behind it there's a tool shack
that the edge of the eve of it is at
seven foot and you can see this thing. A tower
is above that eve of that toolshack a foot and
a half to two foot. So and uh, there's another
one that's down in the ditch. You think it's doing
something else. What it is it's a loaf of bread
that we had put out. And they're not big lovers
of bread. They love little Debbie snacks. Yeah, man, I'm
telling you they level like the whole free much steer
of guards. Yeah. They We can find out if you
screw a bucket to the tree and cut the lid
in half top portion of it. I'm working on the
bottom of the raccoons and stuff can't get in there about
eight ft off the ground. So whole whole corns in there,
a little davy snack. You can follow. You can follow
the rappers today. We can put a loaf of bread
in there every now and then, a whole loaf of bread. Well,
you see this video of this lof bread getting chunked
into the creek basin. You know you know, a lot
of increase down there. They're dried up and some of
them have water, some of them don't. But you can
see this level bred just get chunked and landing the
to the creek bed. And then, uh, if you just
follow these videos, all of them from Paris States down there,
you'll see you can see all of these and then
they're you know, they're free to view to the public,
and you know, of course everybody. Of course, a lot
of them are low light low like additions. You'll see
a hunter go across and then you know, not but
a few minutes up there, you'll see this tomorrow black
would just come running across the screen and it goes
out of screen and comes back to the creek and
it comes up and you'll see one of these pine
trees that I that I was talking about the boat
over and you'll see this thing jump up, run over
the top of it, back down, back and behind the camera.
And he tells the younger one to just not really
paying attention to it being videos, you know, So you
get on this website, you can definitely see if you
get into the MK Davis you can find a few of.
Speaker 1: Those, Okay, is he so we're real clear because people
won't want to know is this his Facebook page or
does he have a YouTube channel?
Speaker 2: It's the YouTube channel you're go under. Just looking to
m K Davis and look at m K Davis. Anything
to be putting Pais Testes and those videos should pop
up and why he's run shoving match. They'll all be
right there kind of a sequence and this is one
that he got permission from one of the landowners. He
got these. All these you gonna remember, all these are
good on h s back of this time frame, and
then he converted you burn them on and he made
them a deal, say, won't put these on a disc
for you, So he put them on a disc and
uh and had some of the best he could. He
did a pretty good job.
Speaker 1: I'll make sure and find that channel and I'll link
it in the description below, so everybody won't. I get
so many comments about no pictures, no proof. I ain't
listening anymore. And so we found a place where there's
going to be some good pictures and videos. So I'll
if I can find it, I'll put it in the
description below. Rodney. So where are y'all at now? Are
y'all still actively hunting bigfoots or I don't. I'm not
saying hunting to kill them, just hunting them down, trying
to find them, get get visuals and more evidence. So
y'all still actively out there doing that, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: That is something we do year round. Like I say,
there's more more time, there's times that they're more predictable.
You know, there's certain dug we know for sure that
they're going to be in these certain areas moving through,
whether it be down there and the Paris Parish area
or up in Oklahoma area. You know, and of course
we look back, there's been sightings up in Oklahoma wherever
out of all Ocabo or tim Meechi's and the thing
we've been challenged with in the very recent we we
played a couple of yearly expeditions. You know, what we
get is a big team in itself. I mean, we
try to get everybody that's part of us to go.
You know, we always have big plans and a lot
of times only half the people show up. But we
always have a great time, great great group of guys
and gals and for the most part, you got you know,
the youngsters and stuff like that. We keep them reeled
in you know, and there in these times because we
recently noticed that we've been challenged by a different a
different species of these things than what we know your
southern big foot type two patty top big foot. Okay, uh,
this is where we start getting into what you hear
more and more of every day, these wear wolf top things,
the dog men. We've taken some pictures and come up
with a couple of these doll men. But this other thing,
we have no clue what the hell it is. All
we know is that it's extremely it's extremely violent and aggressive,
extremely and kind of feel and fear is that these
things have kind of pushed our normal tighten it refoot families,
kind of pushed them either up further in the time
she's or elsewhere. You know, I've got a friend and
I actually I've got him listening to your channel. Now.
He's very he's a very avid, disapprifted listener. Now he
listened to you every night. He actually writes his own
he writes the book and in relation to and I
know he I know he plans on getting in touch
with you, but I know he had the first week
experience of one of these things was he almost got
taken down by a couple of these things. They were
had it not been for his significant others sitting in
the vehicle, you know, fifty sixty yards away that could
see the line side she had she could see these
two things. One was coming toward him and the other
one was flanking and coming around. But they were on
four us. He knew, he knew that one was there,
and he was backing out towards the shoreline, saying, you know, hey,
I'm gonna make it down here. I'm going in the
water and missus February two years ago. You know, I
think it back at four years ago. He was spared
for his life. You know. Uh, there was a couple
of straight dogs down there, and straight dogs kind of
let him know that something wasn't right. And then that's
when he caught a glimpse of the one on fours.
It was on fours and it was moving the high grass.
Of course, there was you know, there's a lot of
a lot of heavy brush and stuff through there, but
every once the way to catch the top of the
head as it was moving. Of course, the significant other
was yelling at him, he there's another one that's coming
around your other side, and had it got around. If
he wouldn't have got on the shore line and started
beelining it back to the vehicle, he might not have
made it out of there, because they had every intention
and he even felt it. Instead of to sell that
they had every intention of killing me, say, I have
no doubt I felt it. I know they were coming
for me, he says. I think it's because I got
and she is already cranking the truck up all the
time he got to it, and they were peeling out
of there, the dogs, he said, the dogs, there's a
car taking there's no boat ramp. The two dogs went
under the covert and went he said, he washed them
as they you know, they beat him to the truck,
and they got up for the cover and went up
for a pretty good way to reach there and get them.
But he said, they got in that truck and haul
guns out of there. In that same area, my son
and I and one of his friends, part of this group. Now,
we went down to the same areas you know, we've
been going through for years and years. And as soon
as we got there and I shut the decklid of
the car, I heard a very loud loud singletone call
come from the right down the shoreline, as I would
call it, in the thicket area probout twenty yards off
the bank of his lage. We started walking in, of
course when I took them in. So we're gonna walk
the shoreline. We're not gonna cut through the woods. We're
gonna walk the shoreline the whole way. So we went
in there about seventy five hundred yards and then started
hearing something big coming and moving through. Sounded like a
big horse and man on horseback coming through the thicket.
And it came. You know, just the area covered such
a short amount of time, wasn't wasn't any doubt of
what it was. And then you could hear something else
to the east of it, running and coming from another direction.
I said, okay, guys, my son he knew kind of
what was up, but he hadn't even dealt with one
of these. I didn't want my first my first experience
is wanted to be be that negative either. I said, y'all,
stall on my hills, don't stop, don't turn around. We
walked out of there, and of course you could hear
these things and they were coming because we had a
pretty good jump on them, and you know what you
and I have to walk through or around. They just
move over like you know, three or four inch saffling.
They don't have to. They just go over. They don't
have to. They sweep their arms across the clear path
as they're going through, and you can see, you see
the stuff moving top high like is knocking the streams
out of the way. So we got to the car.
We bolted. Man, we got out of there. And what
I called my colleague and I told him, I said, man,
they're still there. I said, uh, yeah, I was afraid
of that, you know. And ever since then, these things,
it seems like they've pushed our you know what I
call our our friends and ones we've been dealing with
for years and years. I pushed him out or something.
I don't know what's going on there. I really, I
really can't answer that. But advice bothersome to know that,
you know, we don't. We're not getting to deal with
the same thing. You know where our most active places
up there in Oklahoma. Uh And we got the same
thing going on, but much bigger, much bigger in size,
and much more in uh in attitude.
Speaker 1: You know, do you have any theory? Do you have
any theories on what's what's happening.
Speaker 2: Well, I think personally, you know, some of the other
guys can do agree. I mean, whether it be from
you know, I think we talked about is whether it
be from a rogue or inbreeding or a shallow gene pool.
You know, these things are forced to mate or sometimes
they make gets their wheel and you know, I think
the bad traumas on here or there or something and
then you get a different different species. But well, we've
noticed that these have a little bit more of a
of a smeut on them, which which will Uh you know,
these people talk about werewolves. I've seen the werewolf. Wells,
I think this is exactly what they're seeing. Minusty minus
is I don't you know, I haven't seen years on
these particular ones, like the dog Man. You can clearly
fee a muzzle their eyes in a couple of years. Uh,
you know, go up and do alert of these I
have not seen. It looks just like the stu'squatch. A
massive head sitting on top of the shoulders, massive set
of shoulders from what we get from the waist down
almost with human you know, it don't have the It's
just like a person. It's just it's kind of crazy.
But of course it's very mustard and everything. And I
haven't really seen any years on it, like like we
have one some of the photos that like Scott Cartmenter,
you know, he's got some pretty good features. Scott Comber's
got some good steel pictures of the of the dog
men and stuff like that, you know, from the go
pro when I was back take, so you know, and
go back and look at that stuff. But you know,
this is this is something we're having to go learning
curve for us because we really don't know what expected,
you know, besides aggression, and right now that you know,
that's all that really showed it is aggression. We haven't
seen any type of i'd say friendly communication like from
other sides, questionably, you know, the leading gifts and stuff
like that. Just a whole different, whole different creature, you know.
And as I find out more and more, I would
definitely be in touch with you, let you keep you
updated on on what we find out. You know what
our result is, you know what our plan is.
Speaker 1: That would be great, That would that would be fantastic.
I'm so interested in this that hell, I may start
calling you every couple of weeks and hey, what's going on?
But now he just feel free to do that. Well,
I don't want to bug you. I hate bugging people,
but I might. I might send you a text or
something and see what's going on. That's fascinating. Well, listen,
we're at we're at a minute seven or an hour
seven minute. Some people say they could listen for two hours,
but you know, YouTube creators, we have to look at
our analytics and what happens is on when they go
over an hour, your retention time drops way off. And
what that means is people start dropping off halfway through
the video. And but will you come back when I
know you have a ton of more stories and events?
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely absolutely, I'll We've got a few other things
to jell us, you know, just we'll get into it
at another time and hopefully I'll have some better things
to update you with. I mean, uh, may go. You know,
of course, scientifically is true, without a shadow of a doubt,
there is one and uh uh, you know, we realize
that you have to produce a body to do that.
I'm not saying we're out we just want to go
kill one or anything like that. That's not what we're about.
But to the scientific community, and you know, be honest
with you, I don't know if you presented the body
you you know, it'd be hard to get messed to
scrutiny of that too, because I can't believe you get that.
Uh you know, do you believe you kill one?
Speaker 1: You know, according to some people, there's spend several of
them killed, and which would make you wonder if people
in the scientific community have not seen these things and
examine them. And there's some I'm not a conspiracy theorist,
but usually there's a reason, you know, these things are
kept quiet. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it,
but there's a lot of people out they're saying they're
killing them because their nuisance. They're nuisance, or they're a
threat to.
Speaker 2: Their family in our livelihood.
Speaker 1: And I know, any any man with a firearm, if
some kind of animals, you know, rampaging at you, or
you're gonna shoot it, and yeah, eat it. If you
don't think you're gonna make it out, you're gonna start
shooting it. You're gonna put the herd on it.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: But well, listen, Rodney, thank you so much, and you
I really really would love to talk to you again,
and and and I'm sorry it took so long to
get together on this, but this was fascinating. You're you've
got that well. I don't know how to say it.
It's like if I met you at the at the
at the restaurant in the morning at breakfast and we
started talking, we probably sit there for three hours just
shooting the bull.
Speaker 2: And oh yeah, they get the game. Here's you go.
Speaker 1: So thank you very much. Is there any parting words
or anything you'd like to say before we sign off?
Speaker 2: Well, man, I'm just you know, I really appreciate and
respect what you do. You know, I think you do
a lot more for the big community and what you
give yourself credit for. I think by you standing up
and doing what you do, you know, you surpass a
lot of people, even though you haven't had your own
personal experience. I believe you may. I believe you may
be a lot closer than what you think in your
good time. And I think one will re really itself
or something. But I appreciate you, and I know, as
I said, I told you this before, you know the
then I was listening here every morning on the way
in and uh, we really we just really really respect
what you do. And so for everybody I've told you
to told them about you and they really enjoy as well.
So just keep on doing what you do.
Speaker 1: That's nice to you to say that, thank you. I
never dreamed anybody I would want to listen to me,
But it's just, you know, and I just started this
thing just as kind of a fun thing, and it's
gotten It hasn't gotten more serious for me. It's just
it's taken me down a rabbit hole of caruriosity. That's
that's crazy. And I've had some things go on, but
what I try to do is I've had a couple
of a couple of things that I've never talked about,
and because I don't want to make this channel about me,
I want to make it about the topic and the story.
And that's because that's what's important to me. The minute
person hosting a channel makes it about them, it just
to me, it just gets boring. But that's just me,
So I try to avoid that. Maybe some doubt and
they're just anecdotal kind of things or no in your
face type of things. But I appreciate you saying all that,
and I'm glad you're thank you for recommending the channel
to your friends who are interested in the channel. It
means a lot to me that people who are in
the in the world of Bigfoot approve of what I'm doing.
And I take a lot of crap from some people,
but for the most part, people are real nice about it,
and they understand my position. They know where I'm at
and I'm not, you know, I'm just I don't claim
to know anything. I don't know anything. I don't know nothing.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: All right, man, let's wind this up. I'll have this
video up probably in uh I don't know, maybe a
couple of days, and I'll send you a text when
it's up. But Rodney, thank you very much for spending
time with us. We all appreciate it. Not a problem, son, Jody,
all right, talk to you soon. Brother, Yes, sir By Bye.