1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on ABLA 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,000 Talk fifteen eighty. It is Wealthy Wednesdays on the Jesse 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:11,919 Jackson Junior Show Worldwide with E. L. Silva. Doctor Silva 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,839 has over twenty years experience a background to re media 5 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:24,079 and negotiation. He's taught polities international relations in several graduate 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,839 and undergraduate programs at universities in New York, New Jersey, 7 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:31,679 Long Island and Queen's University of Belfast and Northern Ireland. 8 00:00:32,039 --> 00:00:37,079 Doctor de Silva's publications include post postmodern insurgencies, political violence, 9 00:00:37,119 --> 00:00:41,600 identity formation and peacemaking and comparative Perspective. He's an experienced 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,320 director with a demonstrated history of working in think tanks, 11 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:49,200 industry and academia, the United Nations political and military affairs, 12 00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:54,399 and he's skilled in research, political risk analysis, geostrategy, cultural diplomacy, 13 00:00:54,479 --> 00:00:59,119 humanitarian action and global affairs involving war affected deeply divided societies. 14 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:02,000 Doctor de Silva, Forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show 15 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:04,680 and to your show worldwide with p LDA Silva. 16 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, Jesse, glad to be on. 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: You know. I was looking at Senator Ed Markey who 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,200 offered a resolution to have the President of the United 19 00:01:15,239 --> 00:01:19,480 States removed by virtue of the twenty fifth Amendment, that 20 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,040 is the Incapacity Amendment. And before the show began, you 21 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:26,920 began talking about others who have suggested that the President 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,000 of the United States in this hour is unhinged. His 23 00:01:31,159 --> 00:01:34,200 mental health is clearly on full display. Peel. 24 00:01:35,519 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: Yes, it's a sad place for the United States to 25 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,760 be in that you have somebody with so much power, 26 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:51,840 and unfortunately it's not logical, it's not rational, and all 27 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:58,079 of this doesn't board well for the future. And twenty 28 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,280 twenty six is good to be a come to Jesus' 29 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:06,640 time for Donald Trump with the midterm elections in November, 30 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,039 and I do believe that the Republicans tend to lose 31 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,199 the House and the Senate and then there'll be a 32 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,719 whole load of trouble for Trump. And he's been saying 33 00:02:17,759 --> 00:02:21,199 that he's going to get impeached and to please get 34 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,000 out the vote. 35 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, he. 36 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: Might not last that long if he continues in this fashion, 37 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:35,759 fighting with you know, our long term allies, and being 38 00:02:35,879 --> 00:02:40,879 so fractious with regard to international relations and international policies 39 00:02:41,439 --> 00:02:46,120 over Greenland. You know, it just doesn't look it's so ugly. 40 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:49,800 You know, he's the quintessential ugly American. 41 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: And that is that's quite a statement to make about 42 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,120 the President of the United States, but that's in a 43 00:02:56,159 --> 00:02:59,439 real sense. As we commemorate the two hundred and fiftith 44 00:02:59,439 --> 00:03:03,319 anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, Donald Trump in terms 45 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,000 of values, in terms of core beliefs, in terms of 46 00:03:06,039 --> 00:03:09,800 the direction of fundamental human rights, he has really become 47 00:03:09,879 --> 00:03:15,919 and emerged as the correct, quitet essential American. That he 48 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,960 is the sum of everything that we are as a nation. 49 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:24,159 And that reckoning that you're saying could very well occur 50 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:27,680 in twenty twenty six is when the American people's values 51 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,960 at the ballot box, whether or not they conform or 52 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:36,240 confront the president's values and the direction that they have 53 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,599 and the beliefs that they have for the future of 54 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:41,919 our nation. Peel, I can't applaud you more for that 55 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:45,080 accurate analysis. I also want to welcome into our program 56 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:49,280 James Felton Keith Award winning engineer economist who was the 57 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,520 first black LGBTQQ person to run for the US Congress. 58 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:56,840 He lectures at the New York University in the Big 59 00:03:56,879 --> 00:04:00,479 Ideas Course series. As an author and activist, his data 60 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:04,639 unions We've redefined the labor movement and personal data as 61 00:04:04,639 --> 00:04:09,240 the neutral resource driving all corporate productivity. As an entrepreneur, 62 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,080 he established the first international standard certification for corporate diversity 63 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,560 and inclusion. His biopolitical philosophy, Inclusionism, is at the forefront 64 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,240 of human rights advocacy and international relations, and each week 65 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,480 he hosts the radio show Inclusionism in New York City. 66 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,399 James Felton Keith, Welcome forward to Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 67 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:29,519 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Thanks for having me. 68 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: Guys and worldwide with p LD Silva, we've begun the conversation. 69 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,600 Of course, we'll dig into deeper issues when we come 70 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:41,160 forward at the eleven minute of the hour mark. But James, 71 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,319 I want to ask you a question about your sense 72 00:04:44,639 --> 00:04:48,759 of the president's mental health, his capacity and his ability 73 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,120 to perform the functions of the job. 74 00:04:51,199 --> 00:04:54,759 Speaker 4: Well, I've been watching his west speech at the Ward 75 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:58,959 Economic Forum, and a lot of his team members box 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,199 earlier today and as they built up towards yesterday. 77 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,879 Speaker 3: Look, I think for there have been a lot of psychologists. 78 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,959 Speaker 4: I'm an economist, not a psychologist, but there have been 79 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,720 a lot of psychologists to talk about how bad off 80 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:13,600 he is for the past. 81 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 3: Few years, but I think his team is using it 82 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:17,000 to their advantage. 83 00:05:17,079 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 4: I do think that his mental health has been degraded, 84 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:25,639 for lack of better words, but I think that it 85 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,480 is a strategic opportunity by the people who are behind him, 86 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:35,439 specifically the thinkers at institutions like the Hoover Institute, the 87 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:36,519 Cato Institute. 88 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:41,319 Speaker 3: They are using his dogged nature to. 89 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 4: Steamroll over people, to steamroll over countries, rather to redesign 90 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:54,560 the global order and you know, renew poles if you will, Russian, 91 00:05:54,959 --> 00:05:56,800 Chinese and American pole. 92 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:58,399 Speaker 3: I actually spent this. 93 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 4: Morning on one with a bunch of the French leaders 94 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:06,839 who both talk about how he postured himself versus their 95 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:12,079 prime ministers and presidents respectively, even poking fun and laughing 96 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,680 at McCrone earlier this morning. So look, I think Trump 97 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:19,959 is definitely deranged, but I think we've always thought that 98 00:06:20,519 --> 00:06:24,839 so much so that social media, in these bot farms, 99 00:06:24,879 --> 00:06:28,560 are running bots against us to claim that anyone who 100 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,240 challenges the president's current state have what they will call 101 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,399 Trump derangement syndrome. 102 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 3: And it's really bait. 103 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:39,759 Speaker 4: It's a switching of our language, our formal language, about 104 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,680 where he is to claim that apparently the masses of 105 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,800 us are deranged by thinking that his general presentation is dangerous. 106 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 3: It's going to get people killed. 107 00:06:52,079 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to Jesse Jackson Junior Show 108 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,040 on KBO they talk fifteen to eighty. This is Worldwide 109 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,120 with Peel de Silva and our very special guest James 110 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,480 Felton Keith. More we come forward on kbla talk Junior 111 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:12,720 that's a junior jobs and a very special guest in 112 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:16,040 this hour is none other than James Felton Keith. I 113 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,519 do have a couple of questions that I like to 114 00:07:17,519 --> 00:07:22,079 begin our program formerly with, and that is, if you 115 00:07:22,079 --> 00:07:24,720 don't mind doctor de Silva sharing with us some of 116 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:28,480 your thoughts on the proper and appropriate commemoration in this 117 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:31,560 hour of Martin Luther King Jr. 118 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: A great American and a great human being and a 119 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:47,639 wonderful leader who has said so many things that are 120 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:53,079 extremely pertinent for us today as we live in this 121 00:07:53,319 --> 00:07:58,360 fractious society that has become America, and I think there 122 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,399 are so many lessons that we can learn as we 123 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:05,000 go forward, and the civil rights movement and Martin Luther 124 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:10,439 King a part and parcel of the fabric of what 125 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:12,959 makes America truly great. 126 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: James Keith, Yeah, definitely, I echo what brother Pellis said. 127 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,639 What I would say is in remembering MLK is how 128 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,199 he was received older at the time of his death 129 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,759 in nineteen sixty eight, A lot of America did not 130 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,799 like to hear that he was that we still have 131 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:42,960 to speak now in this news. So in an effort 132 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,159 to not repeat our own things, I'd encourage everyone to 133 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:51,320 search their history, look up some of his own speeches, 134 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,519 but also look at the poet and how he was 135 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,399 received last year. 136 00:09:04,279 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: Somebody's touching something, whatever you're doing, don't touch it. Yeah, yeah, 137 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:10,600 I'm sorry. 138 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 4: But yeah now, yeah, Look, we're getting ready to move 139 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,440 into February and you know, hopefully have a whole month 140 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:24,360 to reflect on again how MLK was treated in his 141 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,399 last days. But again I would encourage everyone to go 142 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,759 back and look at the polling of how MLK was 143 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,120 received in nineteen sixty eight. And again it has not 144 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,240 lost on me that he was not even a forty 145 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,559 year old man when he was assassinated. 146 00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: You know, I want to comment on this for just 147 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,159 a moment and reflect on it, and then I have 148 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,960 some more probing questions because James Felton Keith is also 149 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,840 in a campaign for Congress, and I want to find 150 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,840 out what he's finding out on the campaign trail, what 151 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:53,120 he has learned so far. But before I get there, 152 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:56,080 I want to comment on the character of doctor King, 153 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:00,440 and from my perspective, the christ like character. It's easy 154 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,960 for those of us who are Christians who go to 155 00:10:02,039 --> 00:10:05,559 church and say Jesus carried the sins of the world. 156 00:10:06,799 --> 00:10:11,080 Jesus carried the weight and the burden of the world, 157 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,279 But we never talk about Jesus's mental state, and who 158 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,840 was willing to carry the weight of the world could 159 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:25,519 easily find himself and probably regularly found himself in some 160 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:31,279 garden of gethesemone, some depression, some deep dark space, and 161 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,200 of course he elevated out of that deep dark space 162 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,720 into the kind of leader that we've come to appreciate 163 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,320 and a moral leader, son of God, and all the 164 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:47,320 attributes that we give to the man who emerged out 165 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,080 of that deep dark space. When I think about Martin 166 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,840 Luther King Junior, and I'll say this very quickly, we 167 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:59,600 don't fully appreciate the nature of his personal suffering is 168 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:08,519 to understand suffering of other people. And I can only think, James, 169 00:11:08,519 --> 00:11:11,639 that in this moment, we don't have the kind of 170 00:11:11,759 --> 00:11:15,159 leadership today that actually is capable of saying it's my fault. 171 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:21,200 It's my fault to own the behavior of what's going wrong. 172 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,159 I was reflecting upon conversation I had earlier with some 173 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,440 of my own friends who were talking about high property 174 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,759 taxes and high this and high that, and I found 175 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:34,840 myself slipping because some of it. I said to myself, 176 00:11:34,879 --> 00:11:42,120 it's my fault that I will that I wasn't in 177 00:11:42,159 --> 00:11:45,039 a position to do something about it. In other words, 178 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,639 I'm not prepared to kick the can down the road 179 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,960 or blame somebody else. I had solutions that I wanted 180 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,840 to bring forward to take the burden off of people, 181 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,799 and the fact that those solutions have not been completed, 182 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,639 it's my fault. And I wish I could hear more 183 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:05,919 from Congressman James Keith, from senators and from presidents, and 184 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,519 from moral leaders who own their role that they've played, 185 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:14,799 not just in preaching to us, but acknowledging that some 186 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,159 of what, and maybe even more than some of what, 187 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,799 a significant amount of what's going wrong in our world. 188 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:23,919 It's our fault and Perry the burden of the world. 189 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,759 James Felton Keith. That is the beginning of the moral 190 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,799 crusade that I think Martin Luther King Junior is identified 191 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:32,960 with James Felton Keith. 192 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I totally agree. 193 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 4: One thing I like to say, even if if we 194 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,080 put ourselves up for leadership roles, one of the burdens 195 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,679 of leadership is, even if it's a community's fault or 196 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:50,639 a systematic fault, it is necessary for the leader to 197 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:52,799 absorb some of that blame. 198 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: You know. 199 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:55,399 Speaker 4: A quote that I like to use a lot is 200 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:01,080 that we are responsible yet not guilty. It is necessary 201 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:05,120 for society to reckon with itself, for communities, whether they 202 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,480 be small or large, to reckon with themselves by assuming 203 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,639 some level of responsibility, even if they exist in a 204 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:17,240 broader system that might be more guilty of their current state. 205 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,159 I think that one thing that MLK was available to do, 206 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,000 one thing he was available to do in the Vein 207 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,799 of Jesus and what Jesus's story is told, that he 208 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:32,120 was available to do was to absorb a lot. 209 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: Of that responsibility. 210 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 4: And the problem with the leadership that we have available, 211 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:41,879 not only in this country but in most places these days, 212 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:48,279 is that they're not available to absorb and acknowledge the 213 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,639 responsibility that we have as custodians of this place, of 214 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,279 this planet, of each other. 215 00:13:55,919 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 3: It's a moral calling, and quite frankly, the. 216 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 4: Morality that used to exist in not only American politics 217 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,559 but other politics seems to have gone away. 218 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: And we've been replaced by a blame culture. 219 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,879 Speaker 4: If you want what's pointing, there's that spider Man meme 220 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,960 that everyone used, where everyone's blaming everyone else. Quite frankly, 221 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,960 I'll just add, I think when leaders are available to 222 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:28,960 absorb responsibility, I think that their followers, their community, their 223 00:14:29,039 --> 00:14:33,399 voters are more than willing to work with them to 224 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,759 see that, to see the humanity in that Trump is 225 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:40,559 as to having the loudest microphone, not only in the 226 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:43,720 United States but on the planet. Right now, it's teaching 227 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:47,159 a generation that you can get away with just finger 228 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,080 pointing and accepting no blame for anything. And it may 229 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,399 not seem like it, but it is trickling down to 230 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:56,480 the leaders on the right and the left, where everyone 231 00:14:56,559 --> 00:15:00,559 is just pointing, and it's turning into such solation banter 232 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,360 around how we actually fix the problems that we are 233 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:09,080 I would say, again, responsible but not guilty, for we 234 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,039 still have to work on these things. Even if we 235 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,320 didn't create the problems as they exist today. We have 236 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:17,039 to accept responsibility to work on them. And there's no 237 00:15:17,039 --> 00:15:19,799 one telling us that we have to that. It has 238 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:23,399 not been our ethic in this time, in this generation. 239 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,159 Speaker 1: And that's James. You decided to put your hat in 240 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,519 the ring to run for Congress, and I'm assuming that 241 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,639 part of that ethic is that you are prepared to 242 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:39,360 carry the burden of other people their healthcare, their taxes, 243 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:44,320 their security, their schools. Share with us. That pivotal moment 244 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,559 where you made that decision. 245 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,799 Speaker 3: Oh wow, ah. 246 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:54,679 Speaker 4: I believe it was at this point about ten, maybe 247 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:57,559 nine or ten years ago, and it just came from 248 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,240 seeing us suffering around me in my community. I grew 249 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,679 up in poor communities, I live in poor communities. I 250 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:05,200 still live in Central Harlem right now. I grew up 251 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:09,240 on the west side of Detroit. And again, it makes 252 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:12,080 me think about the ethic that my grandmother gave me. 253 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,320 She was a Muslim woman, but she was really the 254 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,159 one telling me that you are responsible even if you're 255 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:17,720 not guilty. 256 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: It is your responsibility to work on these problems. 257 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:24,559 Speaker 4: The moment I decided that I would participate is when 258 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,799 I would lobby our current elected officials with tools and 259 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,120 tactics that they can use and even support that I 260 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,519 would bring to them, whether it be financially or otherwise, 261 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,039 and they were unable to hear it. 262 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: They didn't feel like there was enough incentive to work 263 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,960 on hyper local problems. 264 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,639 Speaker 4: So I think for any of us who feel like 265 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,559 out there in the world, any of us listening to 266 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:53,639 this show, who feel like it is our responsibility, you 267 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:55,960 may not have all the answers today, but I think 268 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,320 it's worth starting to participate today to build your base 269 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:02,559 and figure out how to actually make the changes that 270 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:06,319 you want to see. I think about ten years ago, 271 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,240 I realized I was just getting older and it was 272 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:12,599 time to participate in a more deliberate way. 273 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 3: So now I'm. 274 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 5: Here congratulations on that. You know, to be moved, you 275 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,000 quantity to see it, and then to be compelled to 276 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:29,240 do something about it. Is to be in a valley 277 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,240 and to offer people hope. Is to imagine the idea 278 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:37,240 of a mountaintop, and to dedicate yourself to that proposition 279 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,559 is what doctor King understood better than most. It isn't 280 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,359 just about the last speech he gave or the intonations 281 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,839 in the way he gave it. This man understood suffering 282 00:17:51,519 --> 00:17:54,640 and was capable of caring and willing to carry the 283 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,960 burden of people who could not speak for themselves. 284 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,559 Speaker 1: And he was he was alright with that, He was 285 00:18:02,839 --> 00:18:07,920 satisfied with that, and he was comfortable in that space. 286 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,359 I can't get out of my mind a clip that 287 00:18:10,759 --> 00:18:16,799 Gina played yesterday on the show, and it was at 288 00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:21,079 the hour that he was receiving the Nobel Peace Prize. 289 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,799 He did not accept it on behalf of himself, but 290 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,599 the twenty million negroes in America who were weathering the 291 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:38,319 long dark night of the consequences of slavery, discrimination, racism, militarism, materialism, 292 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,759 who found themselves permanently trapped in a situation. And he 293 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:50,799 decided to give eyes and ears and tongue and sensibilities 294 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:57,799 and sensory central nervous system energy to articulating and being 295 00:18:58,319 --> 00:19:03,200 that person in that for us in that hour, and 296 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,640 no one could articulate it better. 297 00:19:05,759 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 3: I agree. 298 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 4: Well, the thing is that now there's forty million of 299 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:14,200 us and we're in arguably even more dire state from 300 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:18,960 a property, from an income, from a social and economic 301 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:26,480 power standpoint, again because of what I would assumler about 302 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:30,119 two generations of a lack of a sense of responsibility. 303 00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:33,599 Speaker 3: So we got a lot of work to do. 304 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,279 Speaker 4: We basically have to rebuild black infrastructure to survive in 305 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:42,440 this country, and it will be a road map for 306 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:46,000 anyone looking to participate outside of this country. You know, 307 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:48,720 when I think about the great leaders of the African 308 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:53,200 National Congress who are finally in control of South Africa. 309 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,759 Their first president, there was a great book written about them, 310 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,720 was a follower of everything that Booker T. 311 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 3: Washington did. 312 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 4: And then fast forward many many decades, Nelson Mandela was 313 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,039 regularly referencing what MLK was doing. 314 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:14,319 Speaker 3: Black people, being of a consistent minority in this country. 315 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,559 Speaker 4: Are the loudest voice because of how we interact with 316 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,720 media to the rest of the world of how to, 317 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,960 if it at all possible, climb out of the grave 318 00:20:24,039 --> 00:20:26,240 that we were seemingly born into. And so I think 319 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:29,400 we have to carry the torch and be as loud 320 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,680 of voices as we can about our responsibility for a 321 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,559 situation that we are not necessarily guilty for So. 322 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,839 Speaker 1: James, you're in New York. Bear Mamdani was successful running 323 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:43,759 a campaign on the questions of affordability. What have you 324 00:20:43,799 --> 00:20:45,720 been seeing for New Yorkers and what are you seeing 325 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:46,680 across this country? 326 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 3: Well, he's a week or two in. 327 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,799 Speaker 4: I actually lead a coalition here that's fighting for a 328 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:55,720 housing subsidy uptown because we've had a lot of displacement, 329 00:20:55,759 --> 00:21:00,440 about sixty thousand black individuals, in particular in Harlem. And 330 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:03,599 I think what we're seeing is about a hope that 331 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,960 things are possible. I think for so long we thought 332 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,680 that it was really impossible to get things done, and 333 00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:14,440 so we haven't seen a lot of the property and 334 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,279 opportunities transpire yet, because again we're about a week or 335 00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:21,279 two in. But I see a whole lot more hope, 336 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,759 not only uptown but across the city about what we 337 00:21:24,839 --> 00:21:27,839 can achieve. And there are a lot more offers of 338 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,440 hands on deck, and I think that's what's necessary. There's 339 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,119 a lot more people taking responsibility for the circumstance again 340 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,519 that we are not necessarily guilty for, and so I'm 341 00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:43,960 hopeful about what we'll be able to achieve. Mom Donnie 342 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,519 has the point that a few of our partners who 343 00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:51,400 are on this. We have an interfaith Commission for Housing Equality, 344 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,480 and they're right there front and center discussing how we 345 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,400 attack affordability, at least from a housing standpoint, but we're 346 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,279 also focused from an education standpoint, from a healthcare standpoint, 347 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:06,759 and from a direct income standpoint. There's a new conversation 348 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,319 about guaranteed incomes that MLKA was also a champion of, 349 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:15,720 which has not been a conversation in the biggest, wealthiest 350 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:19,160 city in America. But it is a new conversation that 351 00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:22,759 needs to be had with some dignity about why we're 352 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:24,839 owed this income. 353 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,039 Speaker 3: And that's new. 354 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: It certainly is, and I haven't heard it beyond New York, 355 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,680 but New York tends to be a trendsetter, given that 356 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,559 before the Mumdanie election, we hadn't heard very much about 357 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:40,920 affordability until he shocked the Democratic Party and its establishment. 358 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,640 I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You're listening to Worldwide with p 359 00:22:43,839 --> 00:22:46,720 l Da Silva and our very special guest, James Felton 360 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:49,759 Keith More on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. When we 361 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:51,960 come forward, I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the 362 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,240 Jesse Jackson Junior Show. It's Wealthy Wednesdays and worldwide with 363 00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:58,559 doctor p l Da Silva. Our very special guest in 364 00:22:58,599 --> 00:23:02,519 this hour is James Felton Keith. And just before we 365 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:04,720 go back to our very special guest, the founder of 366 00:23:04,759 --> 00:23:09,880 Inclusion Score and author of Inclusionism, Gina has a clip 367 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,440 that she like us to play. She's not ready for 368 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,119 the clipbright anyway, Yes, James and Keith. Another question, James. 369 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,039 Trump took one point two five million dollars from your 370 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,359 organization that Biden had promised, and now you have to 371 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,279 raise money outside of the country. Tell us a little 372 00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:33,720 bit more about Inclusion Score and how our supporters, our 373 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:36,880 listeners can be supportive of your organization and how they 374 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:37,400 can reach you. 375 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 376 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 4: So yeah, just at the top of this year, Trump 377 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,160 shut off money that we were promised by Joe Biden 378 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,880 in twenty twenty four that was supposed to materialize now. 379 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,000 So if anyone is not familiar, the International Organization for Standards, 380 00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:59,640 which really stood up after World War Two, exist to 381 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,359 create a consensus or standards for how we do everything. 382 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,640 There's a standard for the textiles and your shirt, there's 383 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,240 a standard for the fuel in your vehicle, you name it, 384 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:11,079 and as of twenty twenty one, there's a standard for diversity, 385 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,720 equity and inclusion and how we implement it at organizations. 386 00:24:14,759 --> 00:24:19,319 By organizations, I mean everything, cities, companies, universities, you name it. 387 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:22,960 It's ratified across one hundred and sixty three countries, and 388 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:27,319 my company Inclusion Score serves as the certifying body in 389 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:33,000 thirty two countries on five continents. And the Biden administration 390 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,400 was leveraging the success of our use of the standard 391 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:40,519 in different types of organizations to push it through American 392 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:45,279 trade associations specific to STEM like the American Society for 393 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,799 Mechanical Engineers, Civil Engineers, you name it. And it had 394 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,680 created a faith which the American government often does with 395 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,759 its investment, and a snowball effect across the globe for 396 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,839 other countries and companies to invest in this. Trump just 397 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,559 shut off what Biden promised, and it's really putting even 398 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:09,039 our campaign into question because there's only enough time in 399 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:11,279 a day, and you know this from running for office. 400 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:13,559 You know it costs about a million dollars and so 401 00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:16,480 there's enough time to have conversations in a day to 402 00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:19,400 raise that money to either run for office, or to 403 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,799 scale this global work. So I've spent the past week 404 00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:28,480 with a lot of advisors, attorney general, a couple of governors, 405 00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:31,880 a four star general, a mayor of a big American city, 406 00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:36,079 a few diplomats to really explore what they thought would 407 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:39,160 be the most impactful to what we were talking about earlier, 408 00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:44,240 to kind of take responsibility for our current situation which 409 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,279 we may not necessarily be guilty for. 410 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,519 Speaker 3: And so we've got some decisions to make. 411 00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:53,759 Speaker 4: But yeah, Trump stole more than a million dollars from 412 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:57,720 the global community that was implementing the global standard for DEI, 413 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,079 and not only Corporate America, but Corporate World. I just 414 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,319 happen to be the chair of that organization, which we 415 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,839 call Inclusion Score for short. But the mouthful is the 416 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,839 ISO three zero four one five Diversity and Inclusion Service 417 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,279 Management Forum. 418 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 3: I know that's a mouthful. 419 00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: It is how can you support your organization? 420 00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 4: You know, I would go to inclusionscore dot org or 421 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,400 I would google ISO three zero four one five. 422 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 6: Uh. 423 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,319 Speaker 3: People can get trained, people can join us. 424 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,319 Speaker 4: Look, we're working with you know, governments in Canada and 425 00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:38,200 France and South Africa and India and Mexico and Peru 426 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,000 and business leaders in all those places, all the twenty 427 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,920 seven European states right now. I think what I would 428 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,839 say the pushback against Trump is to use the standard 429 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:53,359 in this post DEI world to re establish how we 430 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,480 get at the very least engagement and belonging, or some 431 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:01,720 people just call fairness and capital distribution. That's what we're 432 00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:04,960 really about. So if people check us out at inclusionscore 433 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,279 dot org, they can see what we do, how we 434 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,640 do it, and where we do it. But it's a 435 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,240 global movement to really establish what I like to call inclusionism. 436 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,680 I think capitalism is hacking itself into a more inclusive 437 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,799 state because it is absolutely necessary for to stay afloat. 438 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 3: We have to. 439 00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:25,599 Speaker 4: Include women, we have to include black people, we have 440 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,119 to include all the various people of color, disabled people, 441 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,720 pregnant people, all the twenty seven protected classes in order 442 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:38,319 for the economy to buffer itself sea. 443 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 3: Everything we do is at inclusionscore dot org. 444 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 4: But I think the support comes from companies and government 445 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,079 officials being willing to stand up and say we absolutely 446 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,119 absolutely need a deliberate type of equity and inclusion if 447 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,920 we're going to sustain the economy that we've become accustomed. 448 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: To pel let me ask you a question. I got 449 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,039 this New York Times article. I think it is that 450 00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:02,319 you send me. We're going to come back to that 451 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,039 in the moment. I think Gina has a clip that 452 00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:04,720 you'd like to play. 453 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 7: Right now, someone needs to stand up and say, damn it, 454 00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:13,480 what we have in common matters more. We cannot throw 455 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,640 the legacy of this country away. We cannot destroy other 456 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,599 people's trust in us. We need to preserve that and 457 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,720 find a way to work together and not humiliate other 458 00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,799 people just so we can win. We got to just 459 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,400 calm down and try to pull people together again. That's 460 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,000 what I think. 461 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: I found that interesting in that when you sent me 462 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,720 this article, this could end very badly. A human rights 463 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:46,039 lawyer fears a new age of impunity. Philip Sands, one 464 00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:49,640 of the world's pre eminent human rights attorneys who grew 465 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,519 up in the shadow of a variableek time, share with 466 00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:54,920 us why that is so important and why we need 467 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,279 to understand that right now. 468 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,759 Speaker 8: A question that we had to ask as people who 469 00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:06,559 are believers, who believe in a greater good, who believe 470 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:12,480 in God. What makes us different from the beasts in 471 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:13,160 the jungle? 472 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:15,519 Speaker 3: What makes us human? 473 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 8: What's our empathy, and these are things that are incredibly important. 474 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,799 So if you use power with impunity and you crush 475 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,799 the little people, you're neither Christian, no nor a good person. 476 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,400 You are just another imperialist, a colonialist. Things that we 477 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,960 have seen in the past of human history which has 478 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,559 gone badly for the people who have been affected. Just 479 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,359 look at this country alone. There was a genocide that 480 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,079 got rid of the indigenous people from this country, and 481 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,880 there have been many such genocides all over them, all 482 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,799 over the world, and most recently in Gaza with the 483 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,960 israel Is carrying out what we would call the Gaza genocide, 484 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,279 and they're doing it with impunity, supported, aided and embedded 485 00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:12,319 by the United States of America. 486 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:14,279 Speaker 3: And this is not good. 487 00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 8: It's not good for our psyche, it's not good for 488 00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:22,400 our spiritual well being. And all people who are believers, 489 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:27,119 we need to stand up believers are nonbelievers. We need 490 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,920 to stand up for what is right. You know, when 491 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,279 we were little, we were told what was right and 492 00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:35,200 what was wrong, and now it's the worse. What's wrong 493 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,319 is right and what right is wrong. It's just a 494 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,279 crazy way of doing things. 495 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: And it's like. 496 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 8: Gangsters are running the show. You know the rubber barons 497 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:45,319 they are. 498 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. Will you comment on what President Clinton had to 499 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,440 say that in that clip about the need to stand up? 500 00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:57,079 Speaker 8: Yes, we we the people who want to see good 501 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,720 things happen and who are un apologetically progressive. 502 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,359 Speaker 3: We need to come together. 503 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,519 Speaker 8: We need to stand shoulder to shoulder and make sure 504 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:14,519 that this country does not evolve into us, which is 505 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:19,000 where we're headache if Trump is allowed to do everything 506 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,000 that he is doing without any control. And that's why 507 00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,759 the midterm elections are so so so important, so that 508 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:29,440 we stand shoulder, We go and we vote, and we 509 00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:31,039 vote with our conscience. 510 00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: I do see inclusionism as a movement towards acknowledging that 511 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,279 historically our system, James locked people out, and now we 512 00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:48,920 are fighting not only domestically but globally to let them in. James. 513 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, I think we have to be deliberate about 514 00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:52,960 letting them man again. 515 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 3: It's the only thing that sustains us. 516 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 4: It's really about glowing growing excuse me, that movement of 517 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,200 progressive inclusion. My only issue with Bill Clinton and the 518 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,960 clip is he should be the one standing up and 519 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,799 doing it. He's a man of faith, he's a former 520 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,880 leader of this nation. We need a direct opposition, and 521 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,519 sometimes it's people with the loudest megaphone are the most 522 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,240 famous people in the room that have to be the 523 00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,559 one to blow the whistle or ring the bell, if 524 00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:20,960 you will. 525 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:24,359 Speaker 1: So you know I've been as we have. I've been 526 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,279 reading a book by Jack Harden called Project twenty twenty 527 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:33,799 five Manuscript. I've also been looking at the Innovative Strategies 528 00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:38,519 for National Success Project twenty twenty five, the Heritage Foundation 529 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,680 and Project twenty twenty five explained chapter by chapter. And 530 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:45,440 I'm wondering, and I want to talk with both of 531 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,160 you about this when our show comes forward. I'm wondering, 532 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,000 when are we going to see a democratic version Project 533 00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:56,440 twenty twenty eight that is as detailed about where we're 534 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,160 going as this is detailed about where they are trying 535 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,880 to take us to. More from Jesse Jackson Junior on 536 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,319 the KBLA Top fifteen eighty. When we come from Jesse Jackson. 537 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,079 Speaker 9: Junior went forward to Jesse ken Show University, Welcome with 538 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:15,200 Days and Worldwide will kill DESLFA, who has over twenty 539 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,960 years of experience in backroom diplomacy, mediation and negotiation. 540 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:22,519 Speaker 1: He's the co founder with Professor W. Lakshman of the 541 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,480 University of Colombo, of the International War Related Trauma and 542 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:30,880 Humanitarian Intervention Trust, setting up psycho social training programs for 543 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,920 practitioners serving combatants non combatants during Sri Lanka's Civil war. 544 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,960 Pel Welcome forward to the show. And Jameson Keith is 545 00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:44,079 our very special guest and award winning engineer and economists 546 00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:46,839 who was the first black LGBTQ person to run for 547 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,039 the US Congress. He lectures at the New York University 548 00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:53,119 in the Big Ideas course series. As an author and activist, 549 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,240 his data unions redefined the labor movement and personal data 550 00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:02,000 as a neutral resource driving all all corporate productivity. James 551 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:04,519 Felton Keith, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 552 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,279 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Thanks for having me. 553 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:08,519 Speaker 1: Guys, gentlemen, while I have you both for the remaining 554 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,320 a few minutes of the show, and James Felton, you 555 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,199 need to know that we reserve the last two or 556 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,119 three minutes of our program for our very special guest 557 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,039 to give the nation a word of hope. So I'll 558 00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:20,639 give you a moment to think about that. I need 559 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,760 to hear some answers to this Project twenty twenty five things. 560 00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:28,360 Pl As you keep talking about let's vote. We've got 561 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,960 to vote. We need to vote in order to stop 562 00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:37,800 Donald Trump's movement against the people. But the fact of 563 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,840 the matter is, I'm trying to hold this up as best. Oh, 564 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,320 here we go, here we go. I got a hold 565 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,199 closer to myself. For those of you who are doing 566 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,079 the podcast, I've got several of these Project twenty twenty 567 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,760 five books. What I didn't fully appreciate is just how 568 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,960 detailed it is in every sector of the government where 569 00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:57,280 they have sought to dismantle it. They're just not doing 570 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,920 this ragtag. They are following a blue print. Now, I 571 00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:05,920 want to know where is the Democratic Party Project twenty 572 00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:12,239 twenty eight blueprint department by department, agency by agency, office 573 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:19,599 by offices, clandestine, covert, overt, wherever this stuff is taking 574 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:23,400 place that Donald Trump has done that restores some trust 575 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,000 and some honor to the people's government. Who's running on 576 00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:31,280 an alternative platform and not just their personality. Why don't 577 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,039 we start with pl D silver. 578 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,199 Speaker 8: Unfortunately, because the Heritage Foundation and others that put so 579 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,039 much of money before Trump got elected, and they actually 580 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,920 interviewed how many fifty five thousand people before Trump got 581 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,119 elected to put them in various slobs in his administration, 582 00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:57,800 and they they spend a lot of time, energy and 583 00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:01,840 money to come out with this project twenty twenty five. 584 00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:05,480 Some people thought it was za and they didn't kind 585 00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:06,639 of take it seriously. 586 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 3: But it is serious and we can see the effects. 587 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:13,519 Speaker 8: Of this Project twenty twenty five is a giant wrecking 588 00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:18,280 ball for what we know as the United States of America. Unfortunately, 589 00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:22,159 the Democrats are not up to speed. There is no 590 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,119 program and that's the that's the problem that in order 591 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:35,880 to counter something so power and so detail, there has 592 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,199 to be a counterpoint and that has not happened on 593 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,320 the Democratic side, and they seem to be all in 594 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,880 disarray and that is a huge problem. So yes, they 595 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,559 may win the mid terms, that they may win elections thereafter, 596 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,880 you know, after Trump, but it'll take thirty years at 597 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,320 least to restructure the whole of the federal government system. 598 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,800 That's what Rearmiral Norman Robert Hayes said, that's in his estimate. 599 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,000 You know, he was director of the National Security Agency's 600 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,119 Operations Center at the NSA and for thirty something years. 601 00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:18,880 He was an intelligence professional, retiring as the director of 602 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,079 Intelligence at the European Command, and he said it'll take 603 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,480 thirty years at least to try to put the federal 604 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,320 government back together again after Trump is gone. 605 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: He made that statement having seen the president's behavior in 606 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:38,599 a single year. With three more years to go, we 607 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,679 may be sixty years, we may be ninety years away. 608 00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:44,840 So the question I have, and then I'm going to 609 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:50,960 direct it to James Peel, you hit a point that 610 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,639 just about threw me out of my chair. 611 00:37:53,239 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 6: They interviewed fifty five thousand people that they brought to 612 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,320 the government with them, and while we're watching this tweeting 613 00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:10,599 clown show every single day, there are fifty five thousand 614 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,519 people who now work for the government who are carrying 615 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:17,960 out the agenda of this plan. I have not heard 616 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,519 a single Democrat say that we are going to come 617 00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:26,280 to Washington with fifty five thousand people we have interviewed 618 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,599 ready to replace them and point our union in a 619 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,559 different direction. 620 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: James Felton Keith watch congressional candidate. I'm putting some heat 621 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,159 on you. 622 00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 3: It's a hell of a question. I'll say this. I 623 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,159 think the proper project that we need to coin is. 624 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 4: Some of my peers have been working on it, where 625 00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:53,840 these mid forties folks who feel like this is our responsibility, 626 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,760 but we're going to Project twenty twenty nine, not twenty eight, 627 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,760 because that's when we would into power, similar to them 628 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,880 focusing on twenty five, not the election of twenty four. 629 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:09,239 And some peers of mine have organized a political action 630 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,239 committee to do exactly what Project twenty twenty five did, 631 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,039 per what pl mentioned called the American equity First and 632 00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,679 they have a few iees that they're working on, like 633 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,079 Equity Democrats, etc. 634 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 3: And they think that the core word is the term equity. 635 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 4: And if you notice in Trump's administration, from the Department 636 00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,400 of Justice to the Department of Defense or now the 637 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,360 Department of War and others, they've deliberately attacked that idea 638 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,320 of equity. If we're going to have a democracy that 639 00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:45,079 is formidable, that can stand itself up over and over 640 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:49,400 and over again after attacks from a consolidated conservative group, 641 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,199 then we have to adequately distribute equity throughout the economy. 642 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:56,639 And that means something quite different than what we would 643 00:39:56,679 --> 00:40:00,599 normally talk about with regards to equality. Quality is a 644 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:04,960 bit more abstract, but equity is tangible, it's definable. It's 645 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,079 an incentive to be at the table, even if I 646 00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:10,360 don't like you and your perspective at the table. And 647 00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:14,519 so what we've been devising based on my platform is, 648 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,199 first and foremost, how we distribute that equity. And I 649 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,960 think that our best playbook for Project twenty twenty nine 650 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,920 is really coming out of the EU. And what they've done, 651 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,679 first and foremost is established a new property right to 652 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,760 give everyone a piece of the. 653 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,079 Speaker 3: Away from us. 654 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 4: The second thing is a large data tax to basically 655 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,480 ran in all the companies and governments that have run 656 00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:46,960 amok away from us in taking our productivity away, meaning 657 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,039 they're mining our data, they're building productive companies, and they've 658 00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:53,159 locked us out. From a wage standpoint, wages are no 659 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,679 longer the trick and last but not least, and we'll 660 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,599 see this around thirty eight of our US states states 661 00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,440 at twenty twenty ratified the Equal Rights Amendment, and in 662 00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,760 twenty twenty four Joe Biden acknowledged it, but he didn't 663 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,440 do anything with it. So the last but not least 664 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,559 thing that we need to ensure that our deliberate equity 665 00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:17,119 and inclusion is cemented in twenty twenty nine is a 666 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,800 series of leaders, now just a president, a series of 667 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,000 leaders that have the audacity to do something. And by 668 00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:26,599 being audacious, I mean things like jail Trump and his cronies. 669 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,880 I mean things like ratify the Equal Rights Amendment, not 670 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,960 only at the federal level, but allowing each state to 671 00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:36,840 exert its state rights to protect the people in that state. 672 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 3: And then, last, but not least, is to. 673 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 4: Distribute, not redistribute, but distribute the equity that we're already 674 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,719 owed from this productive economy. We think that there's a 675 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,039 way to break that out in detail and the way 676 00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:52,760 that Project twenty twenty five did. 677 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 3: We have some books. 678 00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:58,320 Speaker 4: Forthcoming, but I would look up the American Equity first pack. 679 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,800 It plans the public a lot more detail on this. 680 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,760 But again, if we elect another Joe Biden, who I 681 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,920 used to generally like, or Hillary or even Barack or Comma, 682 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,960 and they fail to do things like jail the culprits 683 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,000 a Project twenty twenty five and indemnify people for their 684 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,599 valuable contribution to this economy, then we lose everything. And 685 00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:24,480 so we see this. 686 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: James Felton Keith, a man after my own heart, talking 687 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,480 about constitutional amendments and ratifying the era. I filed it 688 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:32,239 twelve times when I was in the Congress of the 689 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,639 United States. You've been listening to worldwide with Peal to 690 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,400 Silver Peel. Thank you for being on the show, and 691 00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:42,239 I want to thank James Felton Keith for being on 692 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:42,880 the show as well. 693 00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:44,760 Speaker 3: Thanks guys. 694 00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 1: More on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty when we come forward, 695 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,079 Wealthy Wednesdays with Doctor s Todd YERI is up next.