Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back for the last
time sadly the and Or review. I am the door
Closer Tress. Now I'm joined.
Speaker 2: By I'm the one who lived for Compatser.
Speaker 3: The five to five Staylorfield.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever the fuck that means. But we are here
to talk about and Or episode ten to twelve, season two.
Ak this series finale. Man, it sucks. We knew it
was coming. Obviously, it's been a kind of moved to
a flash type of space because you know, they multiple
weeks as far as three episodes, which I hope that
doesn't happen because I know they're doing that iron Heart
and there's some scoop It's it's like, oh Disney really
likes this is like twenty yes. But when the scooper
is like, oh they really like this three episode four. Man,
I don't want everything going forward to be this. You know,
it's this is sometimes a strain of life. But we're
here to talk about it. What a journey? Journey is
started in twenty fifteen. Oh, I guess twenty sixteen was
seeing and Or on Rogue one. Obviously check out our
review there, our commentary track. Lots of good actually did
we ever do commentary track for Rogue one or do we.
Speaker 3: Just do the episode the episodes?
Speaker 2: We might have to do that at.
Speaker 1: Some point, Yeah, we might. That's definitely something we had
like a rule after COVID and it slipped away. We'll
get more into in August. But as of editing stuff,
like man, we gotta get back to at least once
a quarter doing it in person cast because there's some
good stuff there.
Speaker 2: On the twenty four hour stream Rogue one.
Speaker 1: Oh we've done solo yet either, just all of it.
But yeah, maybe we're not completely done with Ander. But
as far as new content, seems like we are so
as usual. We're gonna give us your or give you
are non square thoughts. We'll take an ad break and
then we'll dive right into spoilers, and yeah, there's tons
to talk about, even though it's a show that has
many avenues that we knew were like where there are going,
how it's gonna end. Still a few fun reveals, fun conclusions.
I guess I can't say fun. This was definitely a
dark three episode. It was a pretty downer and that
was like last week is pretty down too, so his
fucking show. But yeah, Patser, what did you think this
is an ending to and or unfortunately they said no more,
this is the run. We'll see what we get after
the fact from Star Wars. But what do you think
did it close it out? Well? You felt a little
lacking just right? Where are you goldilocks?
Speaker 2: Goldilocks? I mean yeah for this, for this adventure for
me through and or being like every week pretty much
a ten out of ten, like a hard ten out
of ten. I was definitely mixed emotions going into this
one because I'm just expecting great quality because that's that's
been the bar. But knowing that it's at the end
is just obviously upsetting. I think just because it's been
so spectacular and I think these episodes are really great,
but throughout I feel like this was the biggest hitter
of Man, there's so much more meat on the bone here,
like yeah, like like I think that was a feeling too,
where it's like I'm I'm way more upset that there's
more juice on that lemon as opposed to like it
just ending here like like I like, Okay, I can
accept this is a two season show, but knowing how
much we could still get out just in like in
these three episodes alone, let alone this whole season. And
I feel like I've definitely felt that way through each
three parter that we've been getting week to week. But
uh yeah, because I think there is a lot of
stories that just kind of abruptly end and it just
seems like, well, that's all. That's all the time we
got here, folks, like we're going to the main event,
which is you know, leading into well, I was gonna
say episode four, Yeah, but yeah, no, like just judging
it as it is, I think these are just still
really really amazing episodes, particularly like part well, I guess
they're not really part so I was gonna say part
one of this adventure episode nine, ten? Is that what
it was? So yeah, ten, I think that one like
had me just choking up at like multiple times, Like
it was really heavy emotional episode, just really filling in
a lot of I don't know something about a certain
character to not spoil anything, but yeah, I know. I
think throughout though, there's a lot of just really funny,
humorous spots, you know, my sports around K two. I
feel like all the stuff that we call with K
two is just working for me, like one hundred percent
the humor, and yeah, like a lot of just suspense.
I mean, it's it's just everything that I've kind of
been saying week to week. So yeah, this is just amazing.
I'm so sad that this is over, but I don't know.
I'm hopeful that lightning will strike twice and we might
not get continuation of and Or story in the Star
Wars universe, but I still think that we can get
shows in the Star Wars universe to this quality and
for this audience hopeful. Maybe I'm just a dumb optimist,
but I don't know. The Cree came here hopeful just
like me, and hopefully I'm not just Emperor Drogue for
the remainder of the Star Wars lifetime.
Speaker 1: Where the fuck is this is gonna be me next
year May watching Mandalorian Brogu thinking about and Or pics
Gi Dress Cereal Luth and just like said, oh my god,
I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Be so worried if I'm in the theater and I
just get that popped in my head, like, oh, I'm
just Emperor Drogue right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mister Field.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this this arc a comedy by surprise. I did
not know how we were gonna end, aside from the
fact that obviously it was gonna lead up to a
specific Star Wars movie without spoiling anything, but there's a
lot that you gotta.
Speaker 1: I know, think it's a spoiler to say this leads
up to Rogue one. I think that's like the least
spoiler thing you can say about this show. Like from
episode one and it's like, oh, it's probably an end.
Speaker 3: We're leads and Derise of Skylalker.
Speaker 1: I survived Picks.
Speaker 4: I think, like you mentioned their character, it's just that
first episode of this arc, it's super emotional and it
does not hold back, and it gets it gets up,
it ups and ups and ups, and when you get
to there's one scene in particular in the second episode
which I can't wait to just highlight it because I thought,
holy fuck, I can't believe I'm seeing this.
Speaker 3: Like Star Wars has certain levels.
Speaker 4: Of violence, and it's you know, it has that level
of Star Wars isms to it, but the way that
they did this one scene, it just made me think, man,
that like it fits because it's in the Star Wars universe,
but at the same time, like this is just I
don't know, like it's just it feels detached from Star
Wars and what it is is just.
Speaker 3: The way they filmed it. I was thinking, Fuck, this
is just terrifying and freaky.
Speaker 4: It makes what we saw in the stuff that happens
in the Gorman arc that's its own version of horrific,
and this is just another iteration of just something that
is horrifying and something I never thought I would see
in Star Wars because it's just when you see these
types of things, and Star Wars's you know, you got
prequel era conflict, you got sequel era conflict, original trios,
they are all different types of like conflict. But this
just scene is just it's It's gonna be steared in
my mind for a long time because visually it was
just terrifying, but I digress. Everything with this in the
way it concluded, was really really powerful, and I really
love how it sets up everything with Rogue One. Now
Rogue one over retro in Retrospect is up there with
Empire and Revenge of the Sith for me and being
my favorite Star Wars movie. I just cycle between the
three because they're just they're all so fucking good, and
I love that this has amped and amplified Rogue One's
story and its characters tenfold.
Speaker 3: But it is a shame, you know.
Speaker 4: I wish that Rogue One was as much as I
love Rogue One, it was able to establish itself with
everything that they had established in the show. But I
guess that's where, Okay, well, a show can do so
much more.
Speaker 3: Than a movie can.
Speaker 4: And I know that's something you've preached Travis before, because
just you get so much more time, you get a
bigger sandbox to work with, and you don't have that
sense of rushing a massive story within a two hour timeframe.
Speaker 1: So I can understand that even though I kind of
did that in these episodes, I'd say that was the
there's definitely some Russian go I agree with dyl Or Kirkland,
not Dylan, he's not here, sorry. I think there was
a bit of a oh, yeah, we gotta get moving
along like it did fel like, oh, we really gonna
get a Rogue one like it. Yeah, I wish that's
the only thing that certain elements of lucasfilm have made
this into a five season show to a two season show,
which you can feel in the back half here.
Speaker 4: So I mean, let's just say, like if they were
doing five seasons. Would that just be like each season
is a year instead of three episodes is a year.
I imagine that's what they'd be doing because we just
covered four years now, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think all these three blocks that we got
would have been a c so I think we would
have gone, we would have gone in the same place.
And I think all the events, so that's a big
thing at least, like I think all the big events,
the revelations, everything. I don't think those would have been changed.
That's something where I don't feel they had to acquiesce
to that, like oh, you can't do that, you can't
do that. Didn't feel like that just felt like it
was telling it in warp speed or it feels like
you're watching the long form version of like a like
a catch up video, you know, where you're watching like, oh,
let's say they did like almost like well being Kirk
and watched beforehand, but instead of it being like ten minutes, oh,
well we've been our recap video, that's what. And that's
under selling it because I don't think these episodes are
to that level. I just mean, if you were to say, okay,
originally episodes ten to twelve, those three episodes used to
be ten episodes. That would be a lot to cover,
right and like trying to recap all that, so mm hmm, yeah, yeah, nope,
just fantastic. It delivers. Like I said, my only con,
it's not even enough to bring it down because what
the situation is. Yet it feels like we rush through
a few things. But man, this is just some some
great TV. And yeah, it's it's kind of like what
I said last week, where I'm still reeling off of that,
but it just continues. I think they delivered here. There's
still some great moments here, some great character stuff. There's
one revelation that we talked about last week that I
was like, oh man, this would be fucking crazy if
they did this. Then they didn't, so I was like, okay,
and then they did it and I was in there
just starting a ball. I was like, oh my god,
this show. That's I mean somehow as I just I'll
reiter it last week. When the show started, we knew
everywhere everything was gonna happen. Everywhere was going for the
most part, right, There's certain characters that we newly met,
but we've kind of figured like they're probably gonna meet
a bad end, and you know what most of them do,
you know, some justified, some not, but just this was
the journey to get there. And yeah, it was fantastic.
I think. Yeah, they had some some humor sprinkled throughout,
which was good because yeah, it was a very dour
three episodes. And that's there's one more like episode.
Speaker 3: Ten.
Speaker 1: There's stuff in there where that feels like if we've
got a ten hour you know, or ten episode season,
that would have been its whole own episode. Like I
don't care, I'll say there's like flashbacks in it. It's
flashing out characters backstory or I'll say two characters backstory.
That felt like, oh, this would have got its own
full episode if we got a full season, which is like, man,
I really wish that happened because it was spliced in
like it's a flashback stuff but then spliced in with
all this other stuff, kind of like what we talked
about Last of Us lets we kurkle when we're next week,
it's like, Okay, that's flashback episode. And that's nice because
you can just dedicate a whole episode. Last of Us
season one did that right where this season they couldn't.
So it's like Okay, that to me what the current
day events were, and the flashbacks felt like these two
episodes and they put them together. So that's the only stuff.
But no great you know, people are shouting out in
the chat like there's some great quotable stuff here, multiple characters.
I'm excited. I don't know when we'll do it, but
I know of the look. Maybe it's time we do it,
or maybe we'll time it for Mandelor and Grogu. I
don't know. But we did our stars ranking, like of
our projects and movies and characters. It's so tough because
I feel like after the show, my top ten like
has at least three and Or character, which is crazy
because some of the characters in my top ten are
like legendary classic characters I've known for my whole life.
But it's like I can't not put mon Moth by
top ten now, you know, like I would never thought
other than like I love Diego, Luna, like Cassie, and
Or is like a top ten. It's it's crazy stuff
what the show has done. And yeah, that's where I
hope we get something. Obviously can't be about these characters again,
but something in the same ilk as I've said before,
I hope Filonia does not get the job, and I
hope ever does decides. You know what, We're gonna give
the gil Royce as much money as possible and get
them back. We don't care if Tony gilroy says he's
not a fan of Star Wars. We don't care if
people think this is too mature. We gotta get them back.
But again, I'm sure I'm just gonna sit there like
Emperor drag Man Manelen Grog, who's gonna make a billion
dollars And I'm just completely fucked. But you know, I
will at least always enjoy this. And now I'm this
the first time in my life since the first time,
I'm excited to go and watch Rogue one, which I
will do this week, and the same way, It's like,
I know, it's like in it's a show, but now
I kind of look at it as like we have
four trilogies. I know this is blasphemy, but it's like
to me, it's like you have the sequels, you have
the prequels, you got the original, and I feel like
the two seasons the show in Rogue one, it's kind
of like its own trilogy. Now in a sense because
even season one it is a lot to do with
like this season and Rogue one, but it still feels
that's almost like the origin of how we get to
this and or right, like the and or and the
missions and then this is the origin of how we
get to Rogue one. So it's like that's a much
longer trilogy, that's like a twenty five hour trilogy. But
that's where I kind of have my mind where it's
it's a big commitment. But and maybe I'll just want
the little juice after to watch this. But to me,
it's gonna be hard to ever want to watch Rogue
one and not watch these two seasons first, you know.
And I think that's a just to attribute how good
they made this show, So yeah, I can. I think
it's gonna be a lot praise to night. I had
some fun moments with it that we already tell about
giv chaen and there's other stuff I want to bring up here,
But no, this was a very good special time and
not I not every Star Wars can be this as
far as quality, but I really hope we get something
in the ballpark, you know, if I can get something
that's like seventy five percent like this, that would be fantastic.
So yeah, no, it's it's up there as like we've
said our sod before at least, and you guys might
agree with like best Disney content Disney plus Star Wars. It's, uh,
they really did something special here, and it's kind of
a shame that's over, but it happened, you know, so
at least that's the thing.
Speaker 2: So absolutely I wanted to say more thing on just
the aspect of this being like a prequel to the
story of Rogue one and pretty much just the main
episodes like overall, just like kicks us off on episode
four obviously the events that picks up right from Rogue one,
and I think best case scenario with a prequel is
it supplements, like you know, the original story, like it
just it it's not just a good telling of their origin,
it like actually adds to the original story. I think
it's best case scenario from a prequel story, and this
obviously does that in many ways in my opinion. But
I think this also just like like refreshed my interest
in the Dark Times. Like I think the Dark Times
has just been so like the main focus of so
many stories and like you know, it's just been thrown
in there so much, but like the way that this
story was told and just tackling about like you know,
the early kindling of the rebellion and how fragile it is,
and like this is before Luke faces off against Darth
Vader and the Empire, like like this is just like
the early early process of it, but it just the
whole idea of the rebellion versus the Empire. Like I
just feel so much like I got a whole fresh
coat of paint on this story that I I've you know,
I know really well, like I've seen those movies so
many times and just like dove into other stories set
around that. But I feel like this just did a
really good job at kind of just bringing my my
interest in the Dark Times back. And maybe that's bad
things now it's like, oh, I'll take more Dark Times
as opposed to like other stories that other areas of
the Star Wars world that we can jump into, but yeah, no,
I just did a good job at Star Wars overall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll only take gilroy Dark Dark Times because there's
a lot of other dark Time stuff if you were
to put it all together, and like look at this
content with everything it's you know, it's tough, you know,
but this definitely in an era that I don't care
about at least made me care, which is definitely a
feat to do so.
Speaker 2: And then I guess also looking at the glass half full.
Since this is only two seasons, I can easily throw
this in if I want to do a Star Wars
like I'm not real, I'm not well, I haven't actually
seen all Clone Wars, but you know, I'm not gonna
throw that in. If I want to binge the whole
Star Wars story.
Speaker 3: You could skip most of the seasons.
Speaker 2: Clone Wars, just like what like the great show.
Speaker 1: Hey, everyone talks to Kirk when I talked to you
about how great Clone Wars is, and you just can
get most of the seasons, but you don't. I don't different,
So I don't call Clone Wars a great show. I
think it has great arcs and episodes. I do not
think overall. I think that like Taylor that grew up
with the prequels, it's just like I fucking love the
Jedis and the Clones and all that stuff. Like I
get it that like the people that like Taylor, and
it's nothing wrong. But people that have like Revenge of Sith,
that's their top one. Yes, for them, it's that. But
for me, like, don't even talk about Clone Wars in
the same breath as and or you know, fucking nope
the show. God, yeah, come at me, Clones.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 4: It's it's an animated show first of all, compared to
compared to a live action I mean, Clone Wars, they're
they're doing some very zeny things.
Speaker 3: But you could pick and choose some of the later
arcs where it's like.
Speaker 1: The last season, the last three episodes. You can watch
the no I I agree, there's some stuff in there.
It's just yeah, it's not like this where it's a
full meal. You know, it's just a bunch of little
candy and then you don't feel good after, like, oh
I et too much candy.
Speaker 3: You know, you just feel dirty.
Speaker 1: Watch Colon War, Yeah, thanks, Flony anything else before we
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just to see there you go boom here up there
Sarah who's just hating on the show and the discord.
You know, but that's claiky.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take him back off.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, you know what, you're no longer. We will
refund you your support, you know everything like that. Let's
see here. So uh, let's I'm gonna go here, because
there's some I'm gonna go in order of some of
these comments. Uh, Dedra, I want to talk about her
first because man, uh this is where I'm of two minds,
right because the show definitely and it's sorry, just just
to say a kid Francisco said a Dedra on an
Narcana five is epic, what an ending to that character.
Her story is definitely one that feels, man that we've
got a little more time. It's tough. We've talked about
this before, right of like even follow up on the
Gorman or Cereal stuff, it's like, well, you jump a
year ahead, so it almost feels like out of places.
All the Son of Diet starts like monologue about Syria
or anything. Right, So but all that's a tough thing
where it feels a little fast forward. But all these
scenes are great and uh, yeah, she's looking for Axis,
you know, like hey, Luthen. But unfortunately, I don't know
if it's completely her fault, but I feel like she
kind of lets something slip in. Oh god, what was
the guy who is the guy who was the Luthan's rat?
I can't remember his name. He has a bad Yannie
or Alannie? Is that who your friends? Right? It's like, yeah, young,
it's a freaking porn star name. But a lot happens started.
But anyways, when.
Speaker 2: Star Mustache, actually he does has some.
Speaker 1: Good videos out there, but it's kind of revealed that
some things let slip through the crat via her got
to him, and that's where a lot of this information
of the Death Star is getting out. Uh. Krenick interrogates
here in a great scene. Again, that's another thing where
we got cranic stuff. But man, I could have used
absolutely way more creanic And this was a t I
guess we need just started here. This interrogation scene was
topped here because for a second they had almost convinced me.
I was like, man, in a year, so has she
become a spy because they were talking about it. Oh
maybe that was her breaking point she turned she didn't,
but there's few There's two moments when he puts her
his like two fingers on her head and he's like,
but you know a lot of young was logging your
computer for three hours, and you just see the fear
on her feels.
Speaker 2: Like force powers for like a non est user like you.
Feels like Darth Vader is doing like just some force
manipulation or.
Speaker 1: Her intimidation, you know. And then when he he's just
man handling, which is like a very like little dick syndrome,
like she can't do anything right, she can't fight back.
But when he leaves the room and he picks her
up on the face and says, we're better off without
you and then throws her down, it's like Jesus Christ,
Like we never got to see that Kranic at all
in Rogue one, Like we saw Mike have some power,
but like, but.
Speaker 3: He was a bitch in Rogue one because he's target invader.
Speaker 1: He's weasley. So to see him think he's top dog again,
could he use more for this interrogation scene was great?
And just seeing uh the walls fall uh you know
around Dedre was fantastic.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I I I think just what we're
like just comparing Kranick's appearance in the Rogue one role
versus here and even earlier on in this season, like
just seeing the different sides of him, and I think
it's just a cool little insight into the uh like
the power dynamic and how relative it is, you know,
like like to Crinic and Dadre in that moment, like
that's like she Palpatine to like a nobody, like she
has no power and he is just I don't know
what his rank is, but he's got a lot of
fucking squares on his on his shirt there. But but
but then later on, like it's just like he's like
in comparison to another higher up, like he is that
Dadra type character. And we see that with artyas and
I can't remember his name, heret I think is his
name the one that's kind of vying for that position.
He's like a hilarious ending. I was laughing pretty heard
at that, but uh no, just like the actual interrogation sequence,
this is this is what I wanted from the Ben meddlsoon,
like just appearance here, Like I think if we would
have just got what we got in the earlier portions
of the season. I was just like, oh, man, like
what a waste, Like he's just such a great actor,
and I just want more of this character because he
is such a different type of imperial officer compared to
everyone else that we've seen in the show, and compared
to even others that we've seen in the past. Like
I guess there's moments when he kind of reminds me
of U is it Hucks? Is that his name from
h Like, yeah, sequel.
Speaker 1: You're saying like the other guy, not critic.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm just saying, yeah, like from critic, I get
like some like similarities, mostly in like the Rogue One movie,
not not really in this appearance. I'm saying, like the
different versions of an imperial officer, like I think the
Ben Mendelsohn cretic is his own. But then also there's
just other moments where they just have glimpses of like
isms of other imperial officers. But yeah, no, I'm kind
of getting off tangent digressing here, but no, just I
love getting that moment of just him being so serious
and just really you know, man handling dander here in
this moment, and it was over for you. I didn't
think she was gonna get a redeeming moment. She had
a moment of like helping out heret, which again, if
we had a whole season of this, we probably could
have explored that a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But not even a redeeming moment because she's just helping
MT to like an empire.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm just like a redeeming for her. Yeah,
it wouldn't have been so over for you. Maybe it
would have led to a different ending for her, but yeah,
it's mostly just too much meat on the on the
on the bone at the end of the day for me,
with the data stuff.
Speaker 1: I hope no matter what, this was always the ending
for her because I thought last week I's talking about man,
you know, like and Or had her in his scopes,
Like I can't wait for and Or fucking kill her
next week get to Dada And this is where for
me because again it's coming up a long reviews. I'm
always you know, I'm all for the death penalty, right,
but for in this situation, I wasn't for it in
a certain review we just did for a Netflix show
because like, oh this this is fitting here, and this
one I think to me is fitting because it. She's
having to spend life locked away by the people that
she dedicate her whole life to. It's the ultimately, it
is a hundred times worse than death because at least
there'd be some relief for her there. But she is
locked up in that same prison that fucking and Or
And I'm so happy now that we got back there,
so happy. We never saw any circus's fucking face, nothing
as any circus. Yeah, or like when they opened the
cockpit on and Ord's ship at the end, he's like hey,
and then they just cut to black. But very happy
that that's just left up, because that, to me is
the right call there. But to me, this was like
better other than may be like her ending up with
fucking Sagrea and Sagara, like torturing the fuck at her.
Maybe that'd be the best option. But the next option
to that, as far as her being caught is they
just like they just turn on They turn on her
so quick, and it's like, at the end of the day,
it's not that she was a spy and got caught.
She made some mistakes, which okay, obviously very bad. It's
because this is stuff leaning to the death Star, so again,
very bad. But she still was doing it. Try and
find a leak, and the leak is somebody like Luthan
who credited that. And that's the thing about the rebellion, right,
because eventually be able to talk about what we talked about
lat week, like lu Khan and Leaut right, those are
the three, those trifecta. But like Luthen did a lot
of damage to the Empire, and he started the ball
rolling on Javin if you look at this uh history, right,
I'm sure Georgiac that's not my you know at all, Luke,
But like in are now Disney Star Wars, Luthen started
the ball rolling on Yavin four and the Death Star
and everything like that. So it is a situation where
she's she's like, you know, obviously I'm not rooting for Deerdre,
but she's not the wrong trying hunt this guy down
because she's right about how crucial he's been to hurting them.
But doesn't matter. She fucked up and not even taking
a rank away, not even like a punishment, whatever it is,
you're just a criminal, and she's probably in the rest
of her life now, you know whatever. Maybe I'm sure
she got some sentence, but she's probably in there, fucking
she gets to see it all in the again, I
would kill We'll tull able the end what happens, but
I'd kill for like a twenty years from now, like
a Rogue one show after episode six, just to see that.
Imagine what DJ would think when you're like watching the
news or you hear the stuff of the empire, like
the Emperor going down, everything going down.
Speaker 4: To all the prisoners would be freed, right because they're all,
you know, enemies of the Empire solding like you guys
are on our side.
Speaker 1: And that would be so interesting because that's one thing
that I think uh Me and Tari have read a
couple of the that have health right, and we've always said,
I know, I'm going quick tangent. That's one thing Clone
Wars does do the TV show where adds some context
to the prequels. That does help some things, right, We've
said that before. That's where they need to do it
for episode six to seven. There's tons of stuff in
there now. At the same time, when we got to
episode seven, I was like, how's the Empire just back?
Now we've gone through certain things politically in real life,
I'm like, Oh, they could just come back because bad
people come back all the time here in politics. It
doesn't matter. People fall for the same thing again. But
what was the fucking book we read with Luke and Lando? No,
put the dill though, way I want the book the
Luke and Lando? What is I just shallows sit. Yeah,
so there's that one at all. Yeah, you could have
just said to flex. Uh, there's a third one I'm forgetting,
but the shadows sit. There's an I used of the
post or the the ley Leihan one. And there's another
one where it shows that again and even some stuff
and mandal I'll give them credit there some stuff and
Mandalora and I know, Kirk when you hate that episode,
but of like uh with Kato O'Brien, the cloning and
stuff like that. It shows Remember, it's like a whole
episode about them trying to get that cloning doctor, and
it shows that they were. Some people are working for
the New Rebellion, but it's like their actress empire. That's
where I wouldn't mind taking a show to see what
would it be like for someone like Djer. Let's say
she's locked up. How long is New Hope to return?
The Jedi. Let's just say we're around there right now,
that's like seven years, I think, right New Hope to
return the Jedi Taylor or is it longer? And then no,
Haan's locked away for a year in carbonite, So that's
at least a year, Like I know, it's yeah, and I.
Speaker 3: Want to say it was like two to three years
between four and five.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's just round up and say even if
it's five years, half a decade, right, what does a
character like Ddre do when they are released, Because they're like, oh, yeah,
you're you're not with the Empire, you're one of us.
You should have been locked away. And she goes back
into society like are you tempted again to you know, oh, well,
we're gonna be the new empire or this time whether
it's Thrown or Snoke or whoever it is, or like
is it like you want to do good? Or are
they just completely lost? Like and they said there's stuff
with bicks.
Speaker 3: And I was gonna look up Cereal's mom. That's the
first thing she's gonna do.
Speaker 1: And I'm surprised we didn't touch back on that. I
thought for sure this week we would. But my quick
point was she just like, yeah, I would be so
down for a political what happened directly after six because
as we've seen, it's not just how it was. When
we watched Return the Jedi, it felt like, oh, they
won and it all just flipped over, right, the good
guys won and that's it. Here we go. But they've done,
and I think there's some stuff that's like shadily not
as well ridden done. Obviously the sequel trilogy is one
of them as far as how we got back to
like what are they called the First Order, but there's
actually a story there, so we're not gonna get it,
but it just deed you're being in there just interests
me so much, like what journey would she be going getting?
Like all this fucking news? Right, you know, how did
you react to a Jedi like that fucking thing? Like, oh, yeah,
this guy Luke Skywalker, he came in and he took
out the Empire. Because even Luke and last Jedi say
like they all kind of like attribute the wind to him, right,
So how does it feel like, Oh, this guy does magic.
He came in and he took out Palpatine, and he
took out Vader, he took out targeting. Yeah, like it's
just how and how did the other people feel? You know,
on MAFMA, she's still alive higher you know.
Speaker 4: Well, she's well, I can't say that because it's inn
Ahsoka spoiler, but she's you know, she's just so well, yeah,
she's in it, but she's got friends in high places obviously.
Speaker 1: But I just means she's alive. You can, you can
tackle that era. But a technically the I found this
out this week the actress that played the original bomb
off is so live at a two show much respect
brought them all back. But Taylor, how did you feel
about Didre's ending here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think it's it's it's morbidly fitting. It's uh there,
I'm assuming that were they still building Death Star components there?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's probity because yeah, she's.
Speaker 2: That's the second one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the late full circle when that second one destroys, like, well,
back to work.
Speaker 3: You know, and she would know that's building there too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like because it's the Empire base, do they
get freed or do you think the first word swaps
these people up? Because who the fuck builds Star Killer?
You know, just like over the War's over ship lands
you're all happy, and then it's just a bunch of fun.
We're gonna we're gonna make the fucking storm troopers just
pointing out like follow us, and like, now, teachers, is
there still just like fucking working on Star Killer Base.
Speaker 4: Well, they get like you said it, like in Mandalorian,
they get kind of like repurposed, like put into this
program for the New Republic. But that's one of the
things I loved in in Ahsoka is because they're like,
oh my god, like it's right underneath our nose. Like
they're supposed to be processing old imperial ships, breaking it down,
but these crews are like secretly taking imperial components, setting
it off to like imperial factories that are classified and
building imperial like equipment of like new stuff. Like it's
crazy shit that they're doing under the nose.
Speaker 1: Which again I I wish there was an eas or
a better way we go out there, because it's just like,
you know, that's how Palpatine did. It was all right
under their nose. But again that happens in real life
of people getting back to the power.
Speaker 2: Right now, they're building star destroyers with our tariffs.
Speaker 1: That's what these terrorsts are for. So we're gonna fucking
Canada destroyer a fifty one state or we're gonna destroy it.
Just mean what they're going to take our maple.
Speaker 4: Leafs Uh, I'll do it. As for as for Dadra, yeah.
Speaker 1: Star Review, don't make Star Wars, don't do it.
Speaker 4: She she went through so much to just achieve her goals,
and yeah, she became.
Speaker 3: Very much.
Speaker 4: What's there's there's a term like a quote or a
phrase for when you're getting too curious. Yea curiosity killed
the cat right her dedication to the job. She thought
she was doing the right thing. But even in this arc,
they loosely just throw it around.
Speaker 2: Cl right, like they have very similar kind of paths,
where like they dedicate their whole life to like this
one cause. And then it gets a little bit I
mean it differently because the choice at the same time,
he's so dedicated to the cause, like as much as
she is. Like I think that's where they found that similarity.
Speaker 1: But then she just doesn't have the urge to break away, like.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it would have happened to Cereal eventually
if he stayed on the path too, Like it would
have been the same result because you had been right
there with Dandro to the end. I imagine when just
like if you will with everything right, we'll go back
as heroes.
Speaker 1: Clearly, yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Heroes go to Narmina five or whatever the fuck it's called.
Speaker 1: But even though like you know, I don't want to
defend Zero because he got what he deserved, at that
same time, it's almost like fitting as far as okay,
you turned what was too late, but you kind of
get like, yeah, you get like a merciful not merciful,
but you get killed right and your torture is kind
of over or do you drove that moment? She saw
everything when down Gorman, you know, Cero she adt some
point probably saw that body, but still is like, yeah,
I'm still I'm still here doing my job right, And
that's to me, it's almost like the the two Forks
as far as trying to be a better person. And
that's where not that Cero's trying to you, but at
least he like he couldn't continue to go through with
these terrible acts, where she's like, yeah, I still can.
And that's where now you get locked up for you
know till star Killer basis, we've had candidate. Now that
she's in episode seven, just working on that ship somewhere.
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't know how she'd be seventy plus
just the world record on the years old. I feel
like she'd be a good worker because you know, when
they're doing their recent because it's all whoever finishes. I
don't remember what I will say with the day dres
stuff specific, like just to change in a different direction
when she meets Luthen and I was I was just
so unsure on what was going to happen there. I
think she really sold it on just being a curious
like I thought maybe she was just like, oh, I'm
finally gonna go check out this lead. I didn't think
they had the whole place surrounded by that point, but
I was just so fascinated by like the emotion that
she was showing in that sequence, And at first I
was like, Okay, this is just how dadro would interact
with a regular imperial shop like downtown Corrussant. However, the
fun like you know, she she I'm sure she has
a day off, maybe on her Sunday, go shopping, get
some groceries, like just interacting with a shop keep like
that's kind of how it was, and she was just smiling,
like when when he's like asking if they're if they're
real and saying that she has something, it's like I
hope it's pretty and she's like, oh, I'm nervous now,
Like I like obviously now that I know she's just
kind of playing him and just building up to the
big moment. But uh, just for this being her whole goal,
like the whole show is finding this character, for it
to be the review when she pulls out the the device,
the box, whatever the hell it's called.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm dumb, my path. I didn't know like how
it was like the like I got you. I knew
it's like clearly why LUTH's reaction. It's his reaction is
what's so I was like, oh, that's the thing. Like
it wasn't like a picture of Luth and like talking
with them off or something like that was like, all right,
this means something. He's shady. I get it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but just I I thought that was such
an awesome scene. And yeah, no, I in hindsight, I
think she would have done better. I mean there's many
ways it could have gone better for her, But like
if they just swatted the place, just come in stun
gun in him right away, you know, like like that
would have been over for you. They could just interrogate
him right away, but she wanted to have a moment,
so I I did appreciate the build up. Nonetheless, she
should have should.
Speaker 1: Have hit him with the honey.
Speaker 2: Even if like Louthen's on his patio, throw the stunners at.
Speaker 1: Him, you're just kicks in. I think those three together
are deadly.
Speaker 2: We're gonna make our own story with these video clips
we have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what was his assistants name, Clia Claia. Yeah,
she was just on the patio a couple of miles away.
Just memorys bring memory is bringing back.
Speaker 3: I won't forget you, buddy.
Speaker 2: More motion than that.
Speaker 1: But you know, d like she got caught. She got that.
They said they brought her down like she got ergantright,
she got cocky because before she were that building, she
know how long I've been waiting for this? Who am
I about to make our name for myself here? Unfortunately
she did make her name for her something the worse way.
Speaker 2: Before she went in the doors ship.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call.
Speaker 2: When she found out he died.
Speaker 3: You know, scary how these work.
Speaker 1: Credit? What is it?
Speaker 2: Is it.
Speaker 1: All right? Let's go on.
Speaker 2: Ue never gets used that.
Speaker 1: I use it. That's how I use it. Let's get
back on track. Actually can't credit.
Speaker 2: Her wash isn't that right? Brother?
Speaker 1: But yeah, we did, we use that. That was a
great run though we almost made every one work. So
but yeah, they even said, like why did you go
in there alone? And like when they said, I'm like, well,
I don't know if she was alone. She had like
fucking twenty guards up there, but I got the sense
of like it was her, like she didn't inform the
greater powers that beat right that hey I got access,
this is my mission, Like like she didn't bring up
everybody because she knew if she and she's completely right.
We've talked about this manytime Star Wars, specially this show,
even when it started. And then back to episode of
this season, like episode one or two when they're talking
about Gorman, if she were bringing those other people, they'd
do this mission and then it would be oh, well,
credit caught the source, cretic you know whatever it was,
or party ass like all these people would be like, well,
I'm the one who caught Luthen and I stopped it,
So that's why she wanted that right, Like it is
a joke, but it literally is the gamut making name
for myself because if she in and she's right and
she like cuts off that source from you know, not
a little bit, do you appen? But like all this
information that's been going out that like the past, I
can't remember how much end or spam, but at least
even in this season four years, that's a huge win
and you'll get that like, oh, the Emperor might want
to talk to this and that. But then if you
go it on your own and you fuck up, well
look with amdidre she got locked up and everything, so
she did she did screw up. But I agree the
on boat fronts of like one, she was definitely like
you know, playing with her food and need it and
also louth and I'm like, you don't have like a
piece of dynamite stab to your vest or something like
like like I think knife is like one of the
worst suicidal in Star Wars ways where they can like
traditional but it's like in Star Wars in the land
where they can save you from a lightsaber stamp. He's
like like at least do the throat like at least
like but like I thought it was going to be
that he actually was gonna deditate the whole place, because
especially she was already destroying stuff. So I don't know
why he didn't just denonate it. And even then, I
thought it would have made tons of sense. They did
the callback earlier, and I guess we have've talked about.
They did the flashbacks of how him and Clia right
Clia met. They had him blow up like a couple
of transports with a bomb later on yon naboo, yeah,
and later on she did that to get to him
so she could make sure Luthen died without being tortured
and being ransacked for information. But I thought that almost
would have been like a cool callback, but like flash
forward to the future or like a good oh god,
what them? Uh what is it when you're setting out
for the future, it's gonna come later on?
Speaker 3: Shadow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, good foreshadow. If he would have blown up, obviously
you wouldn't want to kill DDRA, but I would just
make it as far like, yeah, she gets blown the
side or she survives, right, and at the same time,
you gave Clea that emotional stuff. Just from a practical
point of view, I thought, this is how you're gonna
do it like a knife, and you're gonna hope that
your your dad. Like if it wasn't for Clea, he
was fucked because they were bringing him back to life,
and then he would have just been what tortured for.
I don't think you would have gave any information. But
there's some of those devices you can't help, right, or
even the force, like I don't know, you had Vader down,
Like there's some things you just doesn't matter how strong
you are, the Empire's gonna get at you. So I
did get a laugh when he just, you know, I
get it because he's telling the story about the knife
that it's like, oh, can you pull that acid on
you that you're pouring on your stuff? You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it just goes to show how unprepared
he was for that whole event happening, because like I'm
curious what the actual time frame it is from when
he meets Lonnie to like that meeting with Dadra Like
like it seemed like he doesn't do anything else right,
Like he talks to Claya and then he just goes
to burn down the place and then he's just kind
of rolling with the punches at that sequence like do
I not answer the door? And then if you don't
answer the door, like then you're just committed to I
gotta just run like for my life, like kind of
the cats out of the bag. But he goes to
the door, puts on that great fake smile that he's
always had, And it was interesting because it's a different
type of like that louth and performance like like not
just saying like the Rebellion lou into like the the
art dealer guy. It was just a different version of
like the art dealer guy, where it just seemed like
he didn't have the same fuel to put on that performance.
It just seemed like cats out of the bag. No
matter what this is kind of yeah, it doesn't even
matter if yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And you gotta imagine too at the it's been a
year and and or last conversation I had it was
Luthen was like, Oh, they're gonna catch me soon. So
I imagine he's been mentally prepared for this for quite
a while now, like he probably there's I bet there's
multiple times he's opened up that door and talked to
someone from the Empire, but they were just there to
like look at art or do something else, but probably thought, oh,
this is probably the way it's gonna go. This one's
a bit different because he was high on the totem Poles.
I'm sure he figured that out, but it's like I
think probably multiple times for that year, he just woke
up like, Oh, it's probably gonna be the day. You're like,
this is when it's gonna happen to me. And when
you're talking about Lonnie, I don't think that many hours
because remember when we can't remember the other guy, but
when he goes to party ass and he's like, oh,
I was late because they found so and so dead,
I think it's like within a few hours of each other.
Which that was a brutal scene. Kid Francisco's brought that up.
Luth and Telemanni Yavin and then Dispatch math forward was epic.
I don't know if I want to use the word epic,
like it it's tough, right because this guy, I don't
think I'm wrong, but he decided to start helping Loop
and Luthen because he had a child and a wife, right,
And he's still like and I never got the sense
he was like like, I don't know, it's tough to
say he's not as bad as the rest of him.
I just didn't I didn't take it as a win.
I took it as man. This guy has put in
the time and literally he gives them the whole stuff
for the Death Star and it's not like he's like
he wants I guess that's why I didn't feel good
about the scene in the perfect way for the show,
because it shows again we talk about like Luthen and
Saw Luthen is a fucking kind of terrible, cutthroat person
that will do it, but it's for the greater good, right,
And that's where it's like this guy just wants to
get away with his wife and his child. He's been
doing this for at least four years five. He's always
he's been under like extreme pressure, so I'd never got
the sense he was like a dedrous seal even where
he's doing this, but like he's probably given them tons
of information over the years. Were he easy could have
pulled the cereal. He could have been, hey, I know
this guy, he's on me, and you know, do what
you would like. He could have had luth and Silver
sort of on silver platter years ago, but he didn't,
so I to me, I thought it wasn't like a
good thing. I thought just showed how how even more
so Lutheran's cutthroat. But yeah, what a great way to
do that where he tells him. There's just a scene
they cut away Luthen's walk away and just a wide
shot film on the bench and it's like, oh no,
and then they zoom in like bolt holes like man
blaster ll just brutal way to go because yeah, same thing.
Now this guy's like widow out there, kids lost to
father and they have no you're gonna have no idea
why maybe they'll put two and two together. But brutal scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah that I mean, it was such a brutal scene.
I I think it's so powerful of just like showing
that side of Luthen that we've seen time and time again.
And it did that wide shot and like you just
see him lean over. I like gasped. I was like,
no way that actually just have it, Like that's so savage.
Especially this guy, like you said, Travis has been such
a key part of just getting this rebellion going and
giving absolute vital information like this is what sets us
off to get the plans to the death Star because
without this they wouldn't even know that that's the thing
until it's way too late, like it's already just start
capping planets and I don't know, Like the more I
stowed on the scene, it's it's all like, obviously, best
case scenario would have been this guy gets away with
his family on a ship that they just have and
it's like a get out plan to get to Yavin,
Like that's best case scenario. But also the fact that
he just shot him like that, like the Empire wouldn't
know that he's really well, I guess they did know
he was a rat, like at least critic did. But
like because critic knows, does that mean everyone knows or
he just kind of kept Like I'm just thinking, like
that's also kind of a way to protect the family maybe,
like if this guy gets away and the family's still alive,
they'll like start torturing, like where is he? Like what
information you know that probably will still actual?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope not if.
Speaker 2: It is public information like you're saying, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, maybe wouldn't be public because
they wouldn't want to put out there that like they're
getting spied on and people are taking advantage of them,
But yeah, I don't actually know what they would do
to his family because to me, like that's a a
falsehood to think, oh yeah, they're just like whatever, love
his family. It's like, nah, they might fucking lock them. Yeah,
So it's like that that's story. It's like Luthin is
kind of leaving these people out to past or, you know,
and like.
Speaker 2: This thing is like you trust this guy with Yavin though,
like that information, like that's such a big thing to
drop in the middle of the city there, Like I
thought that was.
Speaker 1: Even then does Luthen at this point, I don't think
he even has the power to get him out of there, right,
like like like.
Speaker 2: A call for backup, right, Like there's no way they
were getting out of there.
Speaker 1: And Anders says that, he says, not the call. It's
like the final call. So clearly they had some sort
of code like you only give us this call sign
when it's like we're fucking bouncing, we're getting out here.
Speaker 2: Now you vam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Dexter punching the wall and there's a passport
and they're like oh fuck, Like it's all those like
tropes where it's like okay, it is time to go
and same thing what we do round up the sky
as family, taking the same base with Kleia, like's gonna
deal with all this stuff now. Again not saying that's
not bad for the family because they don't know what
they're in there, just like in their mind their dad
slash husband just works for the Empire Police and they're
doing a good thing. Right. There's again, there's half the
people we've talked about in the show that are with
the Empire, like even Cereal, that don't know how bad
it is or what they're doing. So I'm sure you
could cut to the room and they're like, yeah, fuck
those people in the rebelly and they're just like terrible kid,
terrible wife. But like we don't know that, right, But yeah,
that was as brutal, brutal way to go out. So
rip to uh Lonnie, one of the many people we
lost in these last three episodes. And then before you
go to yeah, so you'm like always Luthen great speeches
when you talked to about the rebellion. There's two lines.
Mike is one. The one I like was She's like, oh,
where is it far from here? They've flown way past
your grip And then he's like, he also says, there's
an entire galaxy out there waiting to disgust you. And
that's what I do like that. They emphasized many times
that Lutheran and clear are like the last holdouts of
anyone from the rebellion that would be on Courson because
it's just such assessed pool and danger now to go there.
But I do like this, Yeah, it's too like obviously
she plans a tortuom, but like there's nothing you can
get here at Coroson, Like I'm the only person. Obviously
he's trying to protect Clea, but he's saying her like
I'm the I'm one guy you can get now, you know.
And he even says like she's like, oh, I've been,
you know, looking for you all this time, and you're
right here under my nose. And he says, oh, and
the entire time, I've known exactly who you are. So
it's almost some of that Ceial situation right where Cereal
was like fucking obsessed with and Or and Andrew was
like who are you last week? Right, This is kind
of a bit of a flip, but it's like in
a mockery of she's obsessed with this person and not
that Luthern's not obsessed because he knows who she hasn't
known how powerful it is, but just shows like how
many steps ahead because he's just like, well, no, I
had you figured out for like the last half decade,
you know, and that has to be again. That's gonna
be fucking with Deirdre the whole time because that led
to her downfall. If she would have left this alone,
she'd probably still just be doing her Maybe Alonnie was
still gone to her computer, but this access scroup is
what got her locked up. So are there any thoughts
on Lonnie?
Speaker 2: Are they after her because she's the leader or like
the one trying to find access?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if she would have just stopped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lonnie wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Well, Lonnie still would have been in there, I think,
wouldn't he have because he was He's he said that
he didn't even tell Luthan that he went into her
account like over a year ago and was digging and
finding information and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, But why were they after her in the first place?
It is just because she was like the leader of the.
Speaker 4: They went in now because well because the main thing,
like Kranick didn't care about access, kind of didn't care
about anything that happened there. Like when he went into
that interview room, it was like, Okay, I want to
know who knows about the Death Star. That's it because
they knew that Lonnie found out the information right on
her account, so.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and then she has that info because she
was in crinics circle, So yeah, I guess that's not
really really the access. That's just her imperial service, right
that put her in the room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I did really like the back and forth
with part of Gas or whatever. Part of Gas, yeah,
part of your ass. Like that's why I always just
choke his name, because again, he was great this episode
though I always mean on it, but he was great
that whole Like when they're going in the like the
room and he's just like you literally seem shaking. But
when him and Kranick are going back and forth and
Kranick's like, why are people talking about this wise all
this information, He's like, you were supposed to be done
this like a long time ago. So it's a situation
of like I can't stop the information coming out anymore,
Like everyone's gonna know about because it's a fucking it's
a planet sized spaceship that's a destroyer, like, we can't
hide this anymore, and CIT's like, well, it's only a
few days away. But then I still like when the
scene ends kind of just kind of you know, partographs
is like, uh, you know, good luck, like save it,
like tell your spield to the emperor to PLoP scene,
and Credit just kind of sinnyway. It's like, yeah, you're
gonna be done after this, like if you don't succeed
in finding you know, clear whatever. And that's what I
assume that same thing. He's probably like locked up or
he's demoted or whatever, because Credit kind of insinuated that,
like yeah, because he when.
Speaker 2: He was dead man, he's dead himself.
Speaker 3: He shot himself.
Speaker 2: You didn't hear the blaster fire go off?
Speaker 1: I think I completely missed that. I must.
Speaker 2: He's like, I got to bring you in, sir, and
he's like, just give me a moment together my thoughts,
and he puts the gun down and then it goes
outside the room and then blaster fire goes off.
Speaker 3: The guy's like, what episode was that?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 3: That was the last one.
Speaker 2: That's the last episode?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's in like the wrap up of everyone's storylines.
Speaker 1: Like I watched the whole montage like, oh, this montes.
Speaker 2: I was like, it's funny. I was a little bit
confused on the scene because like when he was listening
to the speech and then he's like in trouble. I
didn't clue in that, Like it's just because he wasn't
able to like find Clay. I'm like, is he like,
is he like actually a part of the rebellion here?
Like is it like like we have another mole? Yeah?
Like that would have been crazy, but.
Speaker 1: Okay, well there you go. Yeah. Then I said that
it would have a bad ending. Apparently it clearly did
have a very bad ending. I have to pull it
up because I, yeah, I don't know how I missed that.
So I was helping the kids are then doing some
getting ready, but damn so RP to that piece of shit.
So I guess no RP no, RP rest some pieces
tailor anything on Lonnie Luthen's last moments and anything. I
don't have much to say. I liked all stuff anything
on the Luthen flashbacks, well with Cleo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I liked the stuff with Luthen and his history.
I'd like to know a little bit more.
Speaker 4: Just judging by the characters that were in that ship,
it looked like they were mud troopers, which is the
same kind of like division that Hans Solo joined up
in where they have like those bucket helmets with like
the big goggles and and whatnots Like it's it's like
below stormtroopers in terms of like the militia or military
with the Empire, and so everything that was going on
with Luthan just sitting there and that ship and just
hearing the background noises outside the radio was just fucking brutal.
Like you, oh, you guys, get against the far like
not fucking wall, but get against the wall. Yeah, and
then you just hear the blaster fire and like people screaming,
and you know they're just they're pulling people out of
homes and just executing them on the spot. Just horrific shit,
and Luthan just.
Speaker 3: Having a panic attack.
Speaker 2: Uh if you have a panic attack or you just
slugging back the liquor, like, is that what calms you down?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Depends, Oh yeah, uh, but it was.
Speaker 4: It was brutal, and I love that as an origin
story though, between him meeting Claya and them just having
this really.
Speaker 3: I'd say unhealthy.
Speaker 4: Relationship, but a relationship where they definitely needed each other
and one helped the other and a lot of a
lot of different ways mentally for them just to kind
of keep going even though they acted like toughest nails
towards each other. And just I like how it ties
up everything between her and Luthen at the end when
you're in retrospect now know when he's like move and
then they kind of smile at each other, and just
how it's a callback to them when they first met.
So I liked everything about that, and I could definitely
have done with a little bit more of that origin
story him getting to that point of death. I mean,
it's yeah, I would have definitely. I don't know, like,
if you're trying to off yourself, slitting your own throat,
probably I don't. I feel like you'd feel every single
bit of pain.
Speaker 3: He probably doesn't.
Speaker 4: He doesn't probably want to feel all the pain, would
I would imagine?
Speaker 1: Okay, but what do you thinks were is feeling that
or like the empire keeping you alive for months? On air?
Speaker 4: I think he was counting on bleeding out in the
moment he he.
Speaker 1: I know, But but if it doesn't, you're gonna have
like sawground, They're gonna take your dick, you know, so
you don't want.
Speaker 2: To That's what he did. It off.
Speaker 1: If you go in there. I have like, when does
this fucking suicide happen? I'm watching this montage and I.
Speaker 2: Don't Oh, it wasn't party.
Speaker 4: I don't remember being in the very like montage montage.
I remember being a list a little bit before.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I think it's was the montage montage that's here.
Speaker 2: I remember it being that. But I also just powered
through the three episodes. I just see them all at once.
Speaker 1: It's a problem. Three fucking episodes.
Speaker 4: Shout outs in the montage too, to my mathma, his
ex husband, he's just.
Speaker 3: Hooking up a new woman drinking.
Speaker 2: That was, yeah, that was that was? What was his name?
Like the father of the son who married the daughter?
What was it? What was the name?
Speaker 4: Draven is the No, he's the rebellion general.
Speaker 1: Okay, I did see that scene. I think I just
I think I just didn't hear the gunfire, and I
thought he just like it was like because he put
his gun down, so just slammed them down. So damn. Yeah, jeez, yeah,
we did. We weren't gonna get that, of course, but
I would have. I don't know. I think it would
be more interesting to see my Mafa's daughter than the husband,
because I didn't give a fuck with the husband. Husband
was like a piece of drunk ship.
Speaker 2: It seemed weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed weird. It seemed like this and that
cares never been that important. Where the daughter leaves for
an arc was important very much to mon Mathma, right,
Like you could have done that splitting between the two.
And that's another thing where I wish we got more
of mon Mathma at Yavin for I think we again
that that's a let down of a truncated season. It
was fun to see her there. It's fun to get
that round table everybody. Obviously you still had Bell are
gone back again always. Brad did a great job. Just
very much wish Smith's was here because I think there'd
been tons of fun. But no, I wish we got
more of her there, and that was my worry. It's
tough because that flashback stuff with Luthen. He does deserve
it because I think he's such a very unique, great character.
In stealing scars, Dart has like done a phenomenal job
with him, but at the same time as we're again,
it's like, oh man, we're not gonna get a lot
of with Man or a lot of like with Soger
now that I need more in Sogre. But it's like
I thought when we did that whole episode where he
like had him smelled the gas all that stuff, like, oh,
assumering it's some big like like something big with Sagra
and arc never really happened. He's just still around being
radical doing his thing. Even here he called in like
I'm gonna keep attacking chips and Mom's like, hey, you
shouldn't do that because I've you know, that's very dangerous.
That well, I'll do it, and then okay, fuck, like
why didn't even call Sagrew, you know, like just give
up on him. But obviously he's gonna be eating dirt
in a couple a couple of days now, so he's done.
But yeah, so, especially because Genevieve O'Reilly, Like, it's tough
to say who is the MVP of the show because
I think it all depends on the arc. But she
was probably at least my surprising favorite performance We've talked
about many times. Disappointed and obviously last week she had
a great episode with the speech, right, So it's tough
to say that, but I would have liked to see
her more operating in yeab And because it's like, oh,
we finally got there, and it was a couple of
scenes and that was about it, right, Like I don't
even count the scene with her cousin because it's like, well,
that's just them talking about, you know, with each other.
It's not it's not Mon in a different situation. It
still just showing that she still cares about her cousin.
But uh, yeah, so good content, but it was a
little disappointing it more so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's another example of just this
this set, I guess not a set, it's a trifecta
of episodes. This batch. It seemed like it was the
most rush out of all of them. I think it's
just because it had to wrap up everything, like every
every loose end that we hadn't touched yet. This is
where we kind of have to close it out. But
I still feel like there was some some unanswered thing,
like I wanted to get that daughter appearance at some
point with Mon, And it's just another thing that adds
to my h. You know, I wish we had more
seasons of the show. I just think there's a lot
of Jews there of the scene what she would have
been like, like I just feel like she would have
been such a corrupted individual now in her psyche of
like like she was already like a different mindset. I
think of her mother, like talking about Mon's daughter here,
but to just get that like a more like now
she's a woman and like just been having her own
thoughts and like how she sees the world very pro
empire at least is how it's it was set up
to be. I'm a little bit especially just you know,
we're never gonna see that character. I've seen all the movies,
you know, I don't think we're gonna be getting that
movie touching about that character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other one that I'm kind of surprised,
Like I feel like, out of all the characters, Clia
still just being at Yam for I know, she can
just be a soldier doing whatever, but it's like either
the characters died or meant it, and like deer Jar,
where it's like okay, they're locked up like there, you
know why they wouldn't be around you don't go to
Yaham for much and rogue one or even a new Hope, right,
But I didn't think she was gonna make it. I
thought she was gonna do like a self sacrifice play
to make sure and Or and the other guy make
it out. But no, she made it, and she's on
Yam for doing whatever.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that was one where I really thought
she was gonna die, just because she wasn't in anything else,
any any project after this. I was so like, I
feel like I was more gripped by the intensity the
in like her extraction than the mon one even like
and like that's not bringing away from any of the
Mon stuff. It just seemed like this is where this
character is gonna die because I know that she's not
in any other projects mon. I know she was, so
it was a little bit of different feeling there. But
they just did such a great job of like killing
the coms. Like there's such a Cassian and uh, well
she is that his name Melchi?
Speaker 3: She think it's Menshi, but I will confirmed.
Speaker 2: There's like an Elsie in there, but you'll you'll tell me,
Uh But yeah, no, I I just think there's many
factors that just added to the uh yeah, just the
intensity of that sequence and good old K two s
O coming in just being the terminator. It's funny. It's
like like he's equally as scary as like the actual
Empire versions, like the non reprogrammed one, but just the
way that he walks in comparison to like the la
was it last week's episode when we see them popping
off at Gorman?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the last rebatch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Melchie, thank you Taylor. But like just just the
way that he's like walking like soap, just calmly and
like just every dialogue sequence that he had was just
getting me good and just viciously murdering these these Imperial
soldiers in there. They're so confused, they're like why is
there like a security And then the way that yeah,
like that one officer whatever his name is, Lonnie's buddy,
the way that he dies when he's just like holding
him the scene, Yeah, he was just coming and but
he's just.
Speaker 1: It's like the scene awesome powers too and he like
takes that the one girl and just using as a
shield for like the whole like ACCP, yeah that I
have that woe right Yeah nice pool, Yeah, that was
that was That was.
Speaker 4: The way this film was just it was horrific because
the guy's just dead and just Ragg Dolling is being
pelt to his shots. It's like fuck, but you're right
like this the confusion and the officers like not knowing
if like what's going on? Why this kicks unit is there,
and just hearing like part of Gadas on the comms
listening like why is this droid here? But the tension
leading up to this and like you're me and Madison
were laughing when K TWS was like I was in
a parade there once, there were two hundred of us,
and then like the whole tone shifts because it just
it goes quiet. And then K two is like the
Emperor was there, and it just sounds like fucking haunting
because they it's not a lot, it's not long a
joke and what he's saying and it just sounds ominous. Yeah,
fucking Palpatine. It just sounds ominous. And I think as
much as I wanted the Emperor in this show, some
of the mentions are comedic, but there are other notions
of him where it's just it just it feels fucking spooky.
He's a spooky guy.
Speaker 2: I was playing myself throughout this whole season, unlike well
they said, I know, they said Cheve's not coming, but uh,
you're playing with yourself.
Speaker 1: Absolutely sorry, Share, I never left three.
Speaker 3: I was convinced.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know, I know they said he's not coming,
but she's gonna appear here right the end. They're gonna
they're gonna play us all.
Speaker 4: That's where party guys is going. They're gonna, we're gonna
take you to she if you have to speak to
him for.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna off myself, which I don't blame.
Speaker 2: I mean, in the snow.
Speaker 1: Let's take another ad break and we'll be right back,
and we're back, all right, mom. We talked about we're
paragraphs there. I'm saying the big stuff to the end.
I'm trying to think there's anything other.
Speaker 3: I want to shut out. Again. We talked Melchie. So
he's a Rogue one character.
Speaker 4: There's a few other few other Rogue one characters that
we saw, but Admiral Radas. I was not expecting to
see him. That was super cool. He's not like a
huge main character in Rogue one. He's still he's Admiral Radas.
He's the Monclamarium so him popping in, he's like he
leads the invasion on Scariff and in Rogue one, and
so it was really cool to see him pop off here.
And I again that just the connections with his character
and everything into scaff I like how Scariff is, just
especially with what everything we've kind of gone through with
and Or and seeing how the rebellion does small little
hit and run stuff like that, and the Empire doesn't
really even know how big the rebellion is at this point.
And then when you get to Rogue one and you're
dealing with the rebellion attack on Scariff, this is the
first major conflict, Like this is the Empire.
Speaker 2: Like holy fuck, Like this is open war.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, the open war and it's a massive rebellion
fleet and so they're like holy shit, scrambling and trying
to like get things going and defend Scariff. And so
that I think it just adds so much more weight
to that battle knowing that it's the first one, especially
because we've seen Okay, the rebellion is trying to just
recruit everyone and bring people in to Yavin Four, and
now they're trying to get organized and set themselves up,
get funding, and become an actual army now at this point,
and that it just it leads to that. So seeing
Admiral Rada is really cool, and seeing a few of
the other characters as well was really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, agreed. Shout out to the young actress
that played Little Clia. I thought she did a spectacular
and yeah, I wish we had a whole episode just
on the flashback alone, and shouts up to uh Luthen's hair.
It was you know, I've seen some different hairstyles in there,
but in the flashback you just got the spiked front look,
and it's like, this is Armie luthen.
Speaker 1: Shit haircut, you know, like this is like a yeah,
it's just that just you just shave go cut. Yeah,
and shout because there's not much stay to him this.
I feel like he's just like kind of a condo
in this episode, unfortune. But you know, shout out to
dig A Luna. Of course, he was always fantastic. I
think he got the one great scene when he was
explaining why they should not even trust Luthen's opinion here
but at least trust that it could be real and
white look into and that whole idea of you didn't
even know him and shut other people down other than
you know, send him off. Money gives this whole speech
about you know, he saw the good and the bad.
That was great. The rest episodes he didn't have too
much to do, Like even the episode with Clear when
he finds her, that's like more action stuff than Clea's
driving that scene right, like she's telling the plans, and
like the last episode is just like and or last
twenty minutes Andrew Walker on yeav and like looking cool
and a montage which you know, Diega Luna does look cool.
But uh, you know, he didn't get too much to
do in this I feel like this was it's less
about him here because like he's about to go transition
to a two and a half hour movie, so you
got that you kind of want to round off everyone
else's story because his ending is coming on Rogue one, right,
But uh, you know, he did get that one great
scene in this arc, even though there was one moment
I completely disagreed with the head of my notes, just
from a tactical point of view, when they get back
into the room and the stormtroopers and whatever there and
the other guy's like, oh, my clos stories no, no, no,
and then they always like, well should I Like.
Speaker 2: That's like a warzone move, you know. And then and
then as soon as that happens, we're all like, nice call, Travis.
You never call again.
Speaker 1: Because then he's like the guy's like some like fifteen
seconds twenty seconds pass by, and he's like, so should
I close the door and he's like no, we could
get dropped in, And it's like in this second, it's done. Great,
Like that's the second hand or made that call. I'm like, no,
wonder why you die and rogue one buddy like fuck,
like close the door, like what what are you gonna do?
Run past it because like they can close the door
and then like reopen it if they win this Like
it just especially too because like if K twos so
didn't show up, they're dead because like the fucking buddies
calling an and Or and he's like oh yeah, oh yeah,
and he's like looking around the floor for his gun.
You just see nothing, but like Jesus's cock right now,
just like white, he can't see anything. So I just
thought that was like the weirdest, like play twice he
had the opportunity to change his mind about closing the
door and he didn't and it fucked them. So I
just laughed. And so yeah, maybe again not almost tact called.
Maybe that's why he's not getting that trophy at the
end of a New Hope, he's not there with everybody else,
but uh uh, it was nice to have you around again.
Speaker 2: And or so he's just so good at playing like
obviously he's a rebellion hero here, but like also just
the moment when they're doing you know, the the Liar's
Dice sequence, they're using dominoes the four million. Yeah, but
just like him socializing like you know, like he's not
fighting right now, he just got downtime. He's socializing with
Melchie and K two and just those little like downtime moments.
It's like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna really miss
Diego Luna's uh and or performance and just it's just
a really interesting character and we see a lot of
different sides of him, and that's something that you do
get from the year jumps of just kind of like, Okay,
this is when he's really close with Bis and they're
doing kind of missions together to Bix has been gone.
Now he's kind of accepted it. He's he's just full
on Captain Cassian uh fully in with the with the rebellion,
and there's been times when he's pissed off at Luthen.
You know, he explains that here and just really says
like like he's basically just fucked, like the way that
he sees the world and where he is now, like
he he accepts that, like that is actually what's necessary
in order to make this full scale rebellion. And then yeah,
just double Downey what you said Travis about the is
his model, like his his spiel to the council here
and just just basically telling them about the Death Star.
And when they're not buying it, it's like none of
you have even given a fraction of a sacrifice of
what this person did, and like he died for this
and you're not even gonna entertain this, this person that
started this whole rebellion, Like are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 2: And it just like it's as if he's in crazy town,
like are you kidding me? Like like you guys aren't
taking this right now. So I really really like that sequence.
I wish that could have been like multiple episodes honestly
of just like well we won't we which normally in shows,
I feel like, come on, let's just fucking make this point.
But the show is just so good. I just I
want more content wherever it's gonna be and pass on
to you. Are you in sports.
Speaker 1: Fin ratings?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: It might be all I have other the big stuff
if I'll take a look at my notes, but.
Speaker 2: I think we've hit most of the You're not gonna
talk with the big stuff before final ratings, You're like.
Speaker 1: Oh, we are, That's what I mean. I'm just looking
at my not see if there's anything else to Kato's
a shield not closing the door. Yeah, No, I talked
about everything that's in my notes on the bigs. Is
there anything else you guys want to talk about that's
not to BIX related? Shout out to Mikey brought up
in our discord if we would talk about the sister
even when they I can't remember the cousin's name, but
mom math was just like v like even then again,
that's where it's like, this feels like this should be
like in a subplot that has many episodes, many more episodes,
because when she'said, well just needs you find up and
orsly here and on she goes there and she's like, well,
Mom wants me to find out if you're lying. And
then she's like, what's the plans? Anders like, well, you
know the def star like like it's very like usually
I feel like you get like this build up of
like a kind of will they won't they back and forth,
spying out, spying each other, and they just both lay
their cards out, and it didn't feel like a like
we trust each other so well, just like we don't
have time to actually do like a whole subplot where
she's trying to end. It's just like that was very easy,
like mon Mampa could literally go over and do the
same thing. But it was funny when they were toasting
all the people they've lost. I thought for sure that's
when the sisters gotta come up. Didn't even come up.
Then it's like, yeah, no, she just got massacred on
that planet. But so this is something where this character
earlier on when they're I think it's this character. Is
she the one that mentions BIX to him?
Speaker 2: Right? Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I it was very not confusing. I was
caught off guard when she mentioned that because I thought
it would be in a way where all and it
has never heard anything of her, Like it's just out
there in the ether, right, but it sounds like it
and or really want to find her. He could because
she even says like, oh, well you should, you know,
find a way to check up in or something like that.
So that was surprising to me. And obviously he chose
not to because he said.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, she say she had a kid.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Taylor just fucking takes he wanted to take.
I want to say that pigs as a kid fucking
bastard over here. But uh, like I was surprised that
he could just contact her, but he does say that, well,
you know, if she's she was with me, she wouldn't
be safe and I'd rather be safe, So it makes sense.
I was just surprised they went that rout. But yeah,
everything happens. We go back. We did last week say
like oh we're gonna get updated on this droid. Well
you know we did. We saw that droid again and
the way they had it shot. I'm like, man, she's
gonna turn around a fucking kid, And like Taylor Field said,
there that's what happened. It's just so funny.
Speaker 2: Me.
Speaker 1: Tuble was last week where I said there was that shot.
And also there was no revelation there, but there was
that shot of her when it was just her torso up,
I'm like, oh man, they're gonna make her prey in
that's gonna be fucking heartbreaking. And then they went to the
wide angle like oh no they didn't. Okay, but just
like whoever is in the writing room, bravo, because they
had the same thought of oh how came I after
we've spent two seasons of making this show that no
one counted on and Or being one of their Fairit characters.
Not the same for everybody, right, but for many people
and ors loved the show, the character, and now they
they even want without this little piece of information watching
Rogue one, I'll feel so much worse when and Or dies,
Like how even more? Can we just twist the knife?
And that's why I thought they were gonna do it.
But when last week they revealed she wasn't pregnant, Okay,
you know, it's just me fantasy booking here, but man,
when I could see like she's holding something they turned
the camera around and she's a kid, It's like, fuck, man,
that makes it so much worse that the whole like, well, yeah,
after we, you know, defeat the Empire, I'm gonna confine you.
And or has no idea. And again from Bix, it
makes sense, right because if he knows he has a
kid out there, he's probably not doing these missions, right,
He's probably back with her. He's probably not gonna do this.
But that was just man, and I literally teared up
because it was one of those things where it's like,
that's just that is fucking brutal. When I watched Rogue one,
now I's like, man, this guy has no idea, he's
a kid out there, and he's just like he just
wants to get back to Bis. But he didn't me
know that. And now he's gonna die, you know, not
even meeting this kid. He's never gonna meet him. You're
just gonna hear stories about it. And then he's gonna die,
like not even the face of the belly and he's
just like, oh, one of the many spies that helped
along and everything. So when that reveal happened, man, that
was Chef's kiss and that was like that that ending shot,
It's gonna stick with me for a very long time.
So kudos to the team for just going that far.
Speaker 2: Into it, so yeah, I mean, I uh, I was
really shocked by the whole thing. I was. I don't know,
I'm kind of in two hands here because part of
me felt really just like why are we even doing this?
When Belle was bringing up the big stuff to him,
like it just seems so unnecessary, because like I I
was under the impression also that like he just has
no way of contacting her, like that was a part
of it, like she's just you know, can yeah, like
she took the breaking bad phone call thing, like like
she's out of there now, like like she's she's completely gone.
But in that moment, it seemed like, well, it sounds
like she's open to you coming back, and it's like, well, then,
why the fuck did she even do this? Like I
guess you can make the argument that it's been a year,
but like it's also only been a year, like like
it hasn't been that much time that's been going on,
And it just seems like he's in a place right
now where he's fully accepted that this is the best
case for it, and he does say that even in
that conversation, but it's like, why are we even bringing
this up right now? Like it's not like the war
is over, like like the rebellion is starting here, like
we kind of need all hands on deck.
Speaker 1: She left him for a specific reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I was really like, it sounds
too extreme, but I I I think it's like a
con honestly that that even happened. And then we get
to the moment with Bix like on the planet and
it's really powerful. I definitely think it's it adds to
just the the tragedy of losing Ander when we get
to Rogue one. But yeah, I think we could still
get that without Vell bringing up like, uh, bix Beck's
she's been gone too long. I don't even remember a sername.
Speaker 1: You didn't need it, he didn't need it all. I
guess it just show like I don't know, I guess
it showed that and or came the conclusion that Bicks
was right. But it's just like if.
Speaker 2: I don't know that already, because he's here doing the
rebellion things like, yeah, I been looking for her in
the cosmos somewhere.
Speaker 1: I think. Well, I think that's the argument they're making, though,
is that he has the way that he could just
get to her where if he didn't. The argument could be, oh,
well he's been out there just searching ever since the
year he's been he left like obviously didn't because they
got the K two droid. But that's the case. I
think they want to show like know and or really
he could have found Bicks and been with her but
he chose not to. But it's like, well, like and
I don't know, I kind of I feel like that
kind of takes away from Bix's moment last week of
like I guess what, I get what they're doing for
and or but like I almost like that in the
horrific way. If he doesn't get a choice, it's almost
like you have to be here. And then he does
me realize, like I'd be fine if they brought Bicks
and he says, oh, yeah, she made the right decision
or something like that, but not in a way where
it's like, hey, you should get back in touch with her,
you know, like not that like just in a way
where he does realize she was correct. I did want
to be with her, but my place is here. I
got to make a difference. I would have been fine
with that if for some reason, like if they're talking
about when they're all you could have done is the
scene where they're toasting even though they didn't lose Bix.
You could bring her up in that scenario right off
the people that we've traveled with, and that's where we
can have that scene of you know, when she left me,
I was crushed, didn't know I was gonna do, but
she was absolutely right, and she's not with me, but
she's safer. That's it. That's easy. So I agree. It's
kind of a minor critique of mine. It just felt
like they're trying to like remind us, like, hey, remember Bix.
It's like it's been yeah, last week, like two weeks ago,
I guess if you were watching in order or something.
Speaker 2: But so thinking about it now, I feel like it
could have been so much better if and like that
much more just brutal. I think if Velle knew about
like the pregnancy, and she was torn on telling Cassian
and then she never did, like like they have that moment,
maybe he does do like the the toasting off to Bix,
and then she just kind of holds it back and
just lets it lie because he is more important here.
I think that's maybe a better way to do that.
But uh, and again again, I'm kinda I'm picking that's
a very minor thing here, Like it's a con but
like the overall health of the show doesn't bring it
down by any means, but it's it's something that I
was scratching my head on just because I think the
whole quality of the show has just been so seamless,
and then in here it just seemed like there's a couple.
Speaker 1: Of Mario right, every once in while they slip, Yeah,
a couple that's supposed to go like there's always I
feel like it's because this show is so fucking good.
It's like, all right, I'll let you afford this one slip.
But every once in a while you just look like,
did no one look at this? Like do we need this?
Is this smooth? And it's like, but we fucking we're locking?
Did he d dropping jail? Like, yeah, that's pretty.
Speaker 2: Good, locking dideo for life.
Speaker 1: He should have took maybe the fucking party grass route.
But that's a whole another conversation. Uh D, how'd you
feel on the BIGS reveal here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I was expecting it. Mass looked over me.
He's like, why would they do that? Like, what the hell?
Why they just want to make people feel like.
Speaker 1: Is tweeting at Tony Gilly, Now tell me why I'm
gonna rip your posters down to.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it's it is it's it's like
he said, twisting that dagger, and it's fucking brutal knowing
that once you get into rogue one that he's got,
he's got a little child out there and he's not
gonna be able to He doesn't know that that kid
is out there, his child. And makes it a lot
better too that he does not kiss Ray in that
end scene before they die, or not Ray gin Gin.
Speaker 1: I don't know you, little girl, but well raised like
a fucking like mbo. Right now she's not even live.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little Palpatine grandchild, his child snooke in the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I just thought about that. He's fucking
this woman on the beach and he's got picks up
there waiting for him. You know.
Speaker 2: So they broke up, right, I would have been it.
Speaker 1: But they're supposed to be back together after they're going
to break.
Speaker 3: They're going to break.
Speaker 2: This is the friends thing with Rachel and uh.
Speaker 1: Okay, so a war starts Kirkling and she's like, hey,
we'll be back together, but the war has the end.
Do you consider yourself broken up?
Speaker 2: IM? I guess not. Yeah, I guess you got me there.
It's just I think the imperial scale of this, this
intergalactic rebellion, it's this war's not ending. Come on, this
is is the biggest of the world War.
Speaker 1: Well it does, you know, just give five six more years.
I see why I would you know like this, why
I would consider us broken up because it was a
mutual decision. She made that decision for us. She wasn't like, yeah,
let's talk about it. You're right, leave when the war's over,
let's get back together. It's just like, well, fuck me,
Like I didn't get any say in this, Like, even
if it is the right decision, it's like that's and
the same thing makes me fucking dead somewhere. So you're
not supposed to progress your life at all.
Speaker 3: And she sleeps with him the night before and then
leaves a note right for.
Speaker 1: She and purposely he like looked over what a doing
and her legs are up.
Speaker 3: She's gone him off.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is there a chance though, because it's a year
and that kid was looking a bit bigger? Is there
I think there's a chance that she already knew she
was pregnant last week when she gave that ultimatum.
Speaker 3: Is there a chance that he was not the father.
Speaker 2: The brack or something.
Speaker 1: It's like little horns luthen.
Speaker 3: Comes a painful pregnancy what's his name?
Speaker 1: Like there's a what if where? And or comes back
like the war's over, Bix, we could be together, and
then they look at it's a little fucking doth rat. Hello,
father here, I should have you on that beach. My god, Taylor,
same question you.
Speaker 3: Who the father is?
Speaker 1: No mass and leaves you know it says she's leaving.
Well one, do you guys agree that she might have
been pregnant or very likely was pregnant last year she
left him? Yes, okay, it's like when the baby happens.
So then that we're all on the same pitch there.
And then Taylor, if Madison left you note saying, oh,
after the war, we're gonna be together, do you consider
so broken up?
Speaker 3: If?
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, we're heat of war and Madison seizes me
that night, gets up and leaves the wars and all
I wake up to is a note saying that this
is what it's gonna be we would not be broken up. No,
I I'd be get away from you that easily.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that the save on three blocks from now? Go
go go?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, then let us know on the colls see
if anyone agrees with me that because it's not a
mutual decision, and I'm not saying for sure, i'd be
like I'm looking for pussy, Like I'm not saying that,
like the second just go on. I'm sure it hurt
me and maybe I'm maybe i'd have to field in
the moment, but I just feel like there is like
a it's not completely mutual rights And wouldn't you be
so mad too? I'll see, didn't have But if that
war ends and she's with somebody else, so is she
telling I guess is she telling every guy like no,
I'm waiting for his father to come back. It's like
it's six years.
Speaker 4: It's not the story she's stuck with when the Imperials
were there, right, like, oh, that's for.
Speaker 1: My husband's She always says that my husband working. But like,
at any point does she find out and ors dead
comes back? The double drap? We got the double of
it tonight. I was gonna say, because like does she
just like the empire war ends and then andor never
comes back. She's like, well, I guess he's dead, you know,
like or did she find out before? Then?
Speaker 2: She seems like she's accepted.
Speaker 4: At this point, considering there's a lot of people that
do know and Or. I feel that it's safe to
say that people obviously know about Bix too, and then
they'll probably report to her about you know, the fallout.
Speaker 3: But again.
Speaker 1: Pict HiT's that picture of him, tell I'm gonna find it.
It's just like front bit like hero and or dies
well sex, you know, like.
Speaker 4: If anyone was to say anything, I feel like, like
mon Mathma, who knows that Cassio was a part of
that group and got the plants, because I would give
them credit that he's not like a super big unknown too,
because I mean they managed to get the plants that
that strike team.
Speaker 1: So like imagine pigs whore it opens up for newspaper
photo and are just embracing.
Speaker 2: Get but ass naked.
Speaker 1: If you were to see that, you would think like,
even if he didn't have sex and like that assholes
fucking soon the whole time, I was gone, oh my god, geez,
well sorry, maybe my whole. I hold my hope that
we're our post episode six TV show series show fucking
but and Or's son, you know, get him in there.
Whatever his name is, Hell, just swap it, have Diego
Luna play him. Don't even don't say anything about it,
just just just play it straight. That he looks exactly
like his father and go.
Speaker 3: I would say he's a broom boy from Last Jedi.
Speaker 1: Oh God, the Bigs. Then he's like a little slave
on canto bike.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she get killed by the first Order or something
like that. She just waiting for and Or you and
or kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go with us, Geez, Connor says my head. Ken
is that Vel goes to min Aaru after scaref to
delve in the news Bigs goes back to Fix at
the end of the war as lays a brick for
Cassi and Brosol. Yeah, I could see again, we're having
some fun. I do imagine. Yes, there would be away
for her nobody even then it might take some time
because you might just think he's out there. But yeah,
so sucks. Sucks for that. But we're not gonnat any
follow up there, which is fine. That's ending on a
solemn note. But anything else.
Speaker 4: I want to say, it's apparently super easy to just
show up at coroissants because they show up in their ewang,
they land, they have no fun in trouble at all,
And I thought.
Speaker 1: That's there really easy too.
Speaker 3: When they got out there really easy.
Speaker 1: That was definitely some we don't have time that we're
just gonna like when they took out that squad and
then they're like walking back to their playing like there's
no gunfire, there's no other guards position outside. It was
was a very easy, like kind of like we say,
like skip a cut scene type of writing.
Speaker 2: But well, they're all they're all looking for the diseased,
I guess, but they think the disease lay is there.
Speaker 1: So I just feel like you they even said like, oh,
we're saiding the strike team. It's like that's all we
had for the strike team.
Speaker 2: Like I guess in the area is where they cut
coms not everywhere, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah they are. Yeah, So just felt a little easy.
Speaker 2: Fair enough somewhere like Courisant, though, like it would have
to have like open whatever the fuck could be borders
atmosphere where like people can just go in and out
versus other planets when there's like blockades where you need
like clearance for something. I just feel like there's so
much stuff going on for sant air traffic control, you know,
like they can't fucking manage every ship coming in and
out of the planet, let alone the little hub that
they're in.
Speaker 4: But then you know what, you load up one of
those monkaba and cruisers loaded up with the fucking next
level amount of TNT. It just hyperspace right in the
atmosphere of Coursar b lined to Palpatine's fucking temple and
he's done the wars over what are they going to do?
Speaker 2: I kind of forget that Palpatine is just chilling on
Coursont in his temple, just doing his chin up exercises.
Speaker 1: Well, they're always there, though he does travel sometimes.
Speaker 3: When he's going to axag back and forth.
Speaker 2: He had the best star just staring at it.
Speaker 3: He never went to the first star. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Because you just and I guess he had the second
step start. That's where he does die.
Speaker 2: I guess where does he mean Vader? In episode four?
Speaker 3: He does, He wasn't in episode.
Speaker 4: Four and in episode five he only he's on course
on But yeah, it's it's calms basically, while the.
Speaker 1: Mendel for me, I totally just remember that and remember, well,
now it's changed. But in the original episode five, it wasn't.
I think it was Terrence Stamp.
Speaker 3: That was playing it was they changed him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they changed it to Ian mcderhmom, but yeah, I
mc dermott then on six, which is like, I wonder
why Palpatine actually did go to the second Death Star
after the first one got blown up. I feel like
you first.
Speaker 2: One blew up. He's got to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 1: You go bring Luke to exicle, like, don't bring I'm
not gonna come to the Death Star. You bring him
to us.
Speaker 4: Do you remember Palpatine's like og voice and empire before
they changed it, because it was like, uh, it was
not like anything like Ian's.
Speaker 1: Like, no, it's it's it's deeper in my opinion, and
it just it just feels like not sickly, not sill
It's not as threatening. I think Palpatine like Ian's like a.
Speaker 3: Stern nineteen fifties man kind of a voice.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's more like a commander captain to me of
like this is the leader where Palpatine, like Ian's is
very creepy and slinky and like, oh, I don't want
to mess with this guy, Like definitely e mcdermomy, you know,
honestly great praise, but like it, And I think that's
the the best Palpatine is Return the Jedi, because I
think in the prequels he gets a little he goes
a little overboard, especially in Revenge of Saith.
Speaker 3: He he he's.
Speaker 1: Chewing scenery with those oh ah, like those faces he's
making like it's so good. Yeah, No, Return the Jedi
Palatina is to me prime Palpatine, Like he nailed all that.
Speaker 4: But I really like again Rise of Skywalker. It's a
whole can of worms. But and this it could have
been a different story. But everything Palpatine in there I
really loved just there.
Speaker 1: I just haven't seen it enough to like recall that.
I think I've only seen it twice now. But we
are gonna I can't remember when, but oh, next year
with Manuel and Gruger, we're gonna go back and we're
gonna do a commentary track first, guys, Rice Skywalkers. We
haven't done that so and we'll probably do one for
Rogue one and you know, maybe solo at some point,
we'll find something.
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't put it past them to pull uh
Cassian and Bix's son into some future thing, you know,
maybe in that six to seven arc, because then you're
dealing with a twenty years jump between that and.
Speaker 1: Again, give me if they were in a week or
two from now next whatever. Star Celebration announced that the
Gilroys are doing a series after whatever, you know, and
they literally could just call and Org well, I guess
and ors is andws last name right, so they could
call it so and they say, yeah, again, I'm fine.
I don't care the agent a little bit, but I
don't even just do like one on American Summer. But
i'dink completely down if he hears the legends about his father.
You know, Bigs was kind of a you know, she
was a spy helping at one point. Like I would
be completely down. I know, it's classic Star Wars, like oh,
everybody's someone's son or daughter, but like, I wouldn't care
if it's like, yeah, the show's set between six and seven.
It's all about you know, spies again, really Empire, et cetera.
But no, so, yeah, anything else to say before we
in this soft here with a rating.
Speaker 3: What do you got sounds like nothing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, min quibbles, as we've talked about, you know, Mario Biggs.
But like, this stuff is so good, I can't go
anywhere else. It's it's a ten and ten sometimes feels
a little most because that stuff that is just so
damn good is some of the best ever, you know,
Star Wars, sci fi stuff. Yeah, and I'm very excited
to go watch this all together now. I am gonna
be watching Rogue one this week heaven in a while,
but I'm going to finish off the story here. But
uh yeah, ten out of ten. Uh, this will the
show will be greatly missed. And I hope we can
get something in the future similar, but if not, we
got this and this is the this is the peak.
And I don't know, I don't know. Like I said
right now, I'm gonna say one Empire, one band or
I need to sit on it for a while because
Empire has been in my life, my entire life. But
it's that level where it's like, man, I've at least
given something on one B because like I really like
Forced Wakens, I really like New Hope. There's other stuff,
but there's never been anything that's challenged that number one spot,
but this is the first time and that's saying something,
so yeah, ten for me.
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you. Yeah, this is uh, this
is peak. And I truly hope we get a Star
Wars content piece, whether it's TV show or movie, to
just this caliber. It's it's it's it's refreshing to just
be able to be like, yeah, Star Wars can do it.
We you know, we we can get that mature content
that is like, it's not just mature, it's just excellent
story writing. And yes, this is the best Star Wars
show I've ever seen, but it's also just one of
the best shows I've ever seen. And yeah, yeah, I'm
just so impressed. Really really minor like cons that would
not bring it down by any means. And yeah, no,
I I'm excited to just rewatch this as as a
as a whole now and lead into uh Rogue. I'll watch
Rogue one before I rewatch the whole show, just because
you know, it's been a while. But yeah, and I'm
also just curious to see Cassian in Rogue one versus
like seeing him here, just because it's been a lot
of time, Like you know, in the real world just
how those two characters kind of feel differently. But yeah,
this has been good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a it's a treat, It really really is,
because you're not getting any kind of Star Wars like this.
Speaker 3: In other Star Wars, I feel like every other.
Speaker 4: Piece of content we've gotten has some implementation of Jedi
or the Force or anything like that. And and here,
like you get little subtleties when you're introduced to certain
familiar things like planets and maybe names and whatnot that
are connected to that larger world that you can kind
of you can clue.
Speaker 3: In with and and such.
Speaker 4: But I think that it's just such a great job
at being its own thing, and just the writing is
so so good, and they spend time doing things. Albeit yes,
there are a couple of things that were rushed a
little bit, but it's not the end of the world.
It's not negatively impacting the show at least for me
in any means. But I think that it just really
puts things down on a very real, real scale of
just what this galaxy is going through here. And this
is something you don't get to see later on, Like
the political side of Star Wars.
Speaker 3: Really exists in.
Speaker 4: The prequel era and then in the Dark Times and
outside of that, you don't really get much.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 4: They haven't tackled enough of the higher Public era, which
is a shame that they don't write some better shit
in that era politically, like with the Old Republic and whatnot.
You don't get any political stuff post episode six, aside
from a little bit in Ahsoka, but not enough. I'd
like to see a little bit more of that and
a little bit of Mando when you go to course
on they're doing that stuff with like former imperials. That's
the kind of stuff like you were talking about, Trus.
I'd like to see a little bit more of that
and get some more cover.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sure, show us like the fallout of some of these
characters that were introduced to end or if they've grown
up or like other people like Dedra, and see the
fallout of that for them in the future.
Speaker 3: That'd be kind of cool.
Speaker 4: But this this show does a great job at showing
us the espionage and the lemmas of this living in
this galaxy where it's not an illegal take over. Like
everything Palpatine did was legal. It was just very very
shady how he went about it and the means to
put himself in more powerful positions by controlling both sides
and getting to this point now with the Empires in control.
And yeah, I think that's why there's just there's so
much there's so much stuff that you can keep revisiting here,
and you can keep speaking to and exploring new narratives
while it is always yet the dark times. They keep
tackling the video games, tackle the dark times, and the
shows and the movies and whatnot. Like you said, Kirkle,
and I think this definitely puts a whole new, fresh
code of paint on it for this era. And I
think that they did a really really good job on
telling a story that has been told many times before,
but just a different character, a different perspective. It was
done very very well. And yeah, it for me, it
boosts Rogue one up. I finished watching this arc and
I thought, Matt, I just got to put Rogue one on.
I'm so excited to watch one of my favorite Star
Wars movies and just see that it's going from like
a ten out of ten to even higher than a
ten out of ten because we've got so much backstory
and weight behind what's going on now, which is awesome.
And I guess in closing, for me, this is this
whole season two is a ten out of ten. But
the fact that when the credits hit and we at
the second portion of the credits were rolling and we
got that original Star Wars theme that kicked in, like
the credits are rolling, and I was just I was
putting my drink away in the kitchen. I was like,
holy shit, I don't think I've heard that theme on
any new Star Wars projects that Disney has done. It's
been a very very long time, and it just it
brought me right back. Just I was really really excited
hearing that. I thought, man, I just let's get some good,
more goddamn Star Wars like this. And I mean, we
joke about it, we mean about it a lot. But
I do think the fact that you guys have mentioned, like, Okay, Filoni,
he does not like this is not Star Wars to him,
that does suck. And I would love to get more
Star Wars that is like this. And I think that
there is a world that exists where we can have
this kind of Star Wars story tell like that is
dark and gritty, and combine it with the Star Wars
that you know Filoni wants to put out there too.
I'm sure like with you know, Jedies and Sis and whatnot.
Speaker 3: Also shout outs to the.
Speaker 4: Artifact in Lutheran's gallery. There was that tablet that was
shutting out the father, the son, the daughter, the Mortis Gods.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you caught that, Travis.
Speaker 1: It's like going to move the Mortis stuff from my.
Speaker 2: I also missed that.
Speaker 4: I also missed that is the stone for those of
you who are where the stone was in there, and
it shows like the different hand gestures that the they
did in Star Wars Rebels to open up the access
point into the world between worlds.
Speaker 2: Yeah you remember, Travis.
Speaker 1: I remember, just forgot about it.
Speaker 3: Go watch a Soca Kirkland.
Speaker 1: My goodness, ladies, gentlemen. That is it. We're closing the
chapter the book The Island on Cassie Nander. You can
go back listen to all our reviews. Next stars. So
I'm not sure when it will be because I honestly
got Ironhart come up for Disney Plus shows. I don't
know what. I know they're filming ah Soka, but I
don't even know if that's gonna be up for Manlor
and Grogu, So there's a chance other than if it's
something animated related live action wise, we will be talking
about Manuel or Mandalorian Grogu in about a year from now.
Speaker 3: And Stars Visions maybe action live action only.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my fingers crossed. We can have some good times,
but I don't know if we have as good as
time as this. Promise you won't be boring when you
hear for the next down Stars, and may the Force
be with you.
Speaker 2: Oh