Speaker 1: Hey, listening Clerical Podcast, Episode five thirty five. I'm Branda.
I'm here with Ryan and they're gonna kick off the
arc of Evolution Amy talking about Mono White now in
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about what we're going to talk about
for the next do it five ish weeks do it so,
And I'm not I'm not going to get too deep
into the story, but I'm going to tell you what
inspired the arc of evolution. I got somebody took the
time to find me on my personal social media, not
Ccio Brando, but my like me, just just me, and
I don't use it very often. I do what well.
I used to work in like the media, media, and
one of the things that they told me once I
became a character on the air was okay, you should
probably have like you play them, because people will find
you and they are interested in you, and things could
go to shit.
Speaker 2: My father in law heard you on the John Gormley
Show one time and he's like, oh, yeah, I know
that good. I know that guy.
Speaker 1: Do you know. My mom's neighbor at the lake used
to listen to me and Gary do our shows. I
was actually his favorite segment. And I used to tell
Gary's boss that all the time because he was the
guy that used to try and keep me off the air.
And I used to say, Yo, this guy loves me, so.
Speaker 2: So you and produce a Gary or an inside job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, And he used to do it because he
knew people liked it. And I used to go on
to because knew it made the boss mad. And that's
and here we are both fired. It's awesome. Yeah, it's
very strange. So I got an email to my personal
social media accounts that said and it had a bunch
of stuff in it that I'm not going to repeat
because it was it was very rude. But whoa and
this is like a magic person Yep, it's not somebody
that I know. It's again, I'm not going to get
too deep into it, but what they get was that
Universes Beyond cards and it's it's the thing that everybody thinks.
It's ruined magic, It's destroyed the game. It's bringing in
casuals that don't give a shit, it's making whales have
It's all the things that you all the complaints, all
the complaints, and I got to think, and it's like,
you know what, like this guy can fuck off. But
the the idea like, okay, look, let's let's have an objective. Look.
What if we went back and looked at magic the
gathering from pre Universes Beyond. That's a Korea and back yep,
and a Korea and forward? What does what? What were
people doing and playing and what were they?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 1: We're kind of the popular strategies of the time because
this is a post Watsie supported Commander world, yes, versus
after Universes Beyond started. And I know that Godzilla is
a small corner case, so is Transformers. Yeah, it was
very drip fed and now it's different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like also walking Dead and what else did
we have in there?
Speaker 1: Stranger things Like let's let's look at the let let's
maybe look at the format and just take a look,
like how big of an impact has it really had?
Like are these classic pre ub decks.
Speaker 2: You be for universes Beyond for everybody?
Speaker 1: Have they been trashed and mutilated and nobody can play
them anymore because Universe is Beyond so much better? Like
is that a thing that's happening or not? And I
thought like we could go through the Let's go through
the five mono colors. We'll take a look at them.
If people in the nation and the audience think that
this is interesting. I'm working with dhreck dot com and
they're they're analysts and I've heard those guys and they're
they're helping me out, like do the do the data
for all these things? So these things are quasi official.
You ever met Matt Morgan, Yes, he's the one that's
helping me. You ever met Dana Roach. Yes, he's the
one that looked at me and I was like, what
the hell's the matter with you? And we met him
in Vegas the first time, and I was just saying
all kinds of crazy shit because I placed on the
top page of the Worldwide EDH Tournament that week. Dang
oh that was good. Nor in the Wary Babies.
Speaker 2: So you ever met Joey Schultz.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's one of my favorite content creators in the
whole world. I made him c one time with my
words because I told him how much I appreciated him.
He touched my butt one time, he touched my heart
one time. Whoa.
Speaker 2: He's very like kung Fu style when he shoved his
hand inside your chest and ripped out your beating heart.
Speaker 1: He's a very nice I just like him. I really
appreciate him, and I get excited every time I see
him in real life because he's a good guy and
I like to I like to see him.
Speaker 2: That's the opposite of what you say about Max Grandell.
Speaker 1: I know, right, it's top Okay, So we're gonna look
at those and we're gonna take a look over the
next couple of weeks, and if you guys are interested
in what we're doing, we I do have the data
coming for the ten two color pairs, and we could
keep the arc of evolution going for another couple of months.
If you guys are interested, yeah, just let us know
in the comments below or sure at our social Ceio
Brando Cicio podcast and let us know if you want
to hear more about this, because I I'm very after
looking at one color, I looked at the data for
one color, and I'm actually really interested to hear thoughts
and look at the evolution of the of the format,
slash play style and the color over the next little while.
I peak behind the curtain, peak behind the curtain.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna lift up my curtain and show the internet.
Speaker 1: Cool, very very bag button that you used to close
your jacket.
Speaker 2: Yes, so way back in the day, which was a
Tuesday in twenty sixteen November, I says to Brando.
Speaker 1: I says, we.
Speaker 2: Should do this thing, and we should do a podcast,
et cetera. And he says stats are the death of radio. Yep,
fast forward d h rec literally a podcast based on stats,
one of the biggest magic podcasts on the Internet. There's
lots of history in between then and now, but I'm
happy that that we can analyze a topic and get
a lot of what I call topic penetration. Don't Google that.
Speaker 1: Yet penetration baby and Google that work with our friends
at DH wreck like we used to longtime Ceco National Lights.
Speaker 2: Are gonna remember the the milk List, the DHREC milk List,
which was the most commonly used cards in any color combination.
Speaker 1: Yes, and today we're looking at white. Yeah, the odds
are we're going to get back to that. Maybe. I
don't know if we're gonna do it today because we
don't have it prepared in front of us.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, the milk List is saved on my laptop
hard drive. I don't have it in my email anymore,
which is what I have on my phone, which you
totally can't see because there's totally real plants blocking it.
Speaker 1: Yes, so but again white, I feel like when we
say what are the top ten cards? Played in white?
And I tested this at DH and M last night.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, and I talked about on the pre show yesterday.
It was so fun to play the game, like what
are the top cards?
Speaker 1: And they hit nine of them without much help. There
weren't very many wrong glasses. They there were. They were
six for six and then they were nine for ten
after thirteen guesses, Like, so you you know what the
top one that the top ten cards are in white.
But yeah, we're gonna do some commanders from pre universes
beyond and then post universes beyond, and we're just gonna
let's see, let's see if like how it's changed, because
I would say during twenty twenty we.
Speaker 2: Had here, Okay, hold on a second, Okay, we talked
about not doing any predictions or preconceived notions and just
looking at the data. But are you are you gonna
hit me with.
Speaker 1: Some No, I'm gonna let's let's just let's just see.
Let's just see. Let we're just gonna on it. Let's
just see. Let's see how often you be just blows
somebody out of the water. Is there a UB card
that's gonna unseed Trasa? Is there a UB card that's
gonna dethrone Cranco and Mono Red. We're gonna, we're gonna,
We're gonna answer those questions in the next three weeks. Now,
Cranco is by far and away, no, not even close
on attainably the most popular Red commander.
Speaker 2: Is this confirmed? Like you edh reck that ship?
Speaker 1: Yes? Whoa Yeah, nobody fucks with Cranco period.
Speaker 2: I'm rubbing off on Brando. He used to never go
to Eda Trek. Now he does all the time.
Speaker 1: Now, well now I do. Like for the last week,
I feel very confident.
Speaker 2: Everybody's rubbing off on Cranco.
Speaker 1: I know, as they should, because he's he is the
best Mono Red command.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cranco is tapping and shooting some fucking knuckle children off.
Speaker 1: That, well said, Well said my guy.
Speaker 2: This, okay, is why we're not guest set magic. Yeah, okay,
So I'm going to turn on the first graphic.
Speaker 1: Now this is important. So this is a cloud then
because white is big and poofy and it's a dream.
Speaker 2: I don't understand.
Speaker 1: So then this is then this is we're thinking back.
Speaker 2: Oh then versus now, then versus now? Back then?
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, back then, these should have said back then,
these were the top ten. I'm ready, manders in Mono White.
Let's let's hit them, Ryan, Let's let's let's do the
first one. This is number ten of the top ten.
Number ten.
Speaker 2: Yep, this is number ten.
Speaker 1: These are based and again, like I should say this,
and I'll say this to each episode. The dhreck dot
Com does not keep data past two years. So the
guys I've been working with kind of We've done some
some finagling and some like looking back. We use the
wayback machine with a whole bunch of Internet stuff to
try and find the data we're looking for because it's
really specific. But this is the approximate top ten pre
twenty twenty, which is both.
Speaker 2: The uh, we're gonna treat it as the real top ten.
Speaker 1: It's ub and and and and it's also when Commander
became the most social format because of VDH and all
that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So there's lots of
big Yes, there's lots of big changes that happened in
between nineteen and today.
Speaker 2: I'll do you one better the thing, I'll do you
one better if you like stats and if you like history.
Two things. First, check out MTG Commander History. Me and
Mac did some podcasts on the history of Commander. Well done,
go fucking listen. Yep, it's it's actually a really good podcast.
But Mac got a new job and he got really busy.
Speaker 1: What a dink. Yeah, I know what that feels like.
Now you're a dink too. Yes, I should get a
new job. No, I should. And I like what I'm
doing now. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I'm happy where I am.
I hope that I get to stay here. Second thing.
Speaker 2: Second thing, if you like data and want dh reck
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them some of your money. I don't know anyways, let's
go to the cards. First card, this number ten.
Speaker 1: Number ten, twenty nineteen, top command.
Speaker 2: And let's go. There are some people people are.
Speaker 1: The first one is from twenty twenty Manara the Diplomat Human.
Speaker 2: Cleric for four two four lifelink like that when opponent
attacks with creatures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, uh.
Speaker 2: If two or more of those creatures attacking you and
or planes walkers, you control draw card. Okay, so if
I'm getting beat up by two guys, draw card. Whenever
an opponent casts their second spell each turn, draw card.
This is kind of like trouble in Pairs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of essentially. Yeah, and it's on a dude.
They can go in your command zone. It's at the time.
I don't know if there was a better mono white
card draw engine in Commander.
Speaker 2: No, well, and look at Trouble in Pairs. Yeah, it's
it's de facto. I remember yesterday at the Coachman Licensed
Beverage room when we were guessing. We guessed Trouble in
Pairs top ten white cards in Commander.
Speaker 1: The first myths was that for the record.
Speaker 2: But it's probably card eleven, Like we probably weren't that
far off. That card fucking slacks real good. And it
just got a reprint, so even more people are gonna
play it.
Speaker 1: So in Ninjus rules you can get one without stolen air.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is a dude that's trouble in Pairs.
Could we call that dude in Pairs?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Do not google that. No, google that away. Google away, man, Okay,
google away.
Speaker 2: Let's do everything you want to do.
Speaker 1: That's the least harmful google you could ever make based
on ma Guard of the Diplomat.
Speaker 2: Draw engine in the command zone has lifelink is a
human cleric, which probably matters.
Speaker 1: I don't think that he was the like the the
build around guy, but he was a very solid engine
in the commands. So you could basically do any engine
in the commandsle and you got some draw in the
zone and some life game two and a fairly decent blocker.
A two four and twenty nineteen could block most cold.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You could see this guy in in.
Speaker 1: I'll say, pillowfort decks.
Speaker 2: You could see this guy in like tap out attack decks.
Like he just kind of was a fine engine. I'll
call him a value engine because he's more of like
a defensive engine than an offensive engine. Forget the word
value offense versus defense. Yes, this guy's going to be
a defensive engine. Yeah, yes, this is this is good
a good card.
Speaker 1: Yeah, solid car gets.
Speaker 2: Played, Okay, So let's defensive engine four drop two forward lifelink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the draws cards based on other things people are doing.
Speaker 2: Okay, Next one Thalia heretic Cathar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a three to two with first strike for
white two creatures and non basic lands or opponent's control
enter the battlefield tapped. This is a mono white Stax
Commander all day long.
Speaker 2: Interesting that both of these cards were pre released promos.
Speaker 1: Most of them were spoiler alert most of the cards
that we're going to show in the top ten here,
And I mean a point to do this, and I
found the arts have the date stamp on them.
Speaker 2: No way. Interesting that both of them are humans. Yep,
that's a non negligible piece of information.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: They both cost less than five also correct? Remember the
day when Commander's costing six and seven was like normal,
especially in more than one color.
Speaker 1: And keep that in mind as we go through this cast,
even for back in the day.
Speaker 2: In there one ability ye sorry, one key.
Speaker 1: One keyword and one ability yeah.
Speaker 2: One French vanilla thing first strike last one head lifelink.
This is creatures and non basic land geer upon conc
battlefield tap. This is a defensive stat again, let's call it.
Speaker 1: Yep, and.
Speaker 2: Two data points don't make a trend, Nope. But we're
playing Model White and we saw the same type of
stat twice, yes, the same quality of stat defense yes twice?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, let's see uh this this would be number.
Speaker 1: This would be number eight. Yeah, eight on the list.
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Abson Angel of Hope. That's a white white white five
for an eight eight flying vigilance, indestructible, other permanence you
control have indestructible. The art that we're showing on YouTube,
which you could see if you're watching, which you should be.
I just this was so cool. I had to.
Speaker 2: I had to. Yeah, this is the movie poster, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was so neat.
Speaker 2: And everybody knows that I like the contrast between the
orange and the blue. Hey, orange and blue exist on
places on the color wheel where you shouldn't like to
see them together, but I do. I do like blue
and orange. Maybe I'm maybe I'm the bad guy.
Speaker 1: But if you're good at art, you can make it
so that.
Speaker 2: It wholl absolutely happens. When you learn all the rules,
you can break them. You can break the rules for
effect like drama, right.
Speaker 1: Correct, And so I mean we all kind of get
where this is going. It's a high end white commander
that tells you shit indestructible. Of course people are going
to play it, of course they are. You know.
Speaker 2: My favorite part of this card being on the list
so far is tell me it bucks the trend does it.
It doesn't create a pattern. This is a high man
of cost, high power and toughness, flying, vigilance, indestructible, offensive
and defensive, fucking powerhouse.
Speaker 1: I would suggest most people play avison for defense. I
will I'll bet you not many people play avison to
say I'm gonna swing for eight. Nobody says that.
Speaker 2: But you can swing for eight with impunity. So as
soon as they're not a nube anymore and don't want
to say, oh, I gotta leave blockers up, they're gonna
hit you for eight with their Avison. Who's flying and
vigilance and in destructle she got, of.
Speaker 1: Course, but i'll bet you she goes into I'll bet
you eighty five percent decks avison goes into is she's
protecting the rest of her the deck. I'll bet you
she is.
Speaker 2: I'll bet you all your lambs.
Speaker 1: So you can play Armageddon, yeah, which leads right into
what I'm saying. Correct. I think.
Speaker 2: So arm getting a defensive or an offensive play. It's
a defensive play.
Speaker 1: It's an offensive play unless you have a that's offensive.
Speaker 2: Armageddon is a defensive play because that's like it's a
classic control play. In less Avison's your commander, then it's
one hundred offensive play. Yes, because I still have all
my lands and I can press my advantage. I can
smother you. I can sit on your face until you
stop moving right.
Speaker 1: And some people want that, some people don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody doesn't want that, it's just
who who? Who do they want to sit on their face? Averson?
I'm okay. If Averson sits on my face.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. She's a little bit,
a little, little little too small for me.
Speaker 2: She's an eight eight bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but only in the stats, not in the not
in the body, not in the thick, in the three c's.
I don't wanna. I don't wanna. I don't wanna body
shame anybody.
Speaker 2: But yeah, No, if you want your face to be
sad on, you want to feel pressure everywhere.
Speaker 1: And like that kind of warm, soft like pillowiness. It
kind of wraps around you. That's what I like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sweet embrace of getting all your lands destroyed, that's
what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yes, of sexiness and death of the land.
Speaker 2: Of the lend Yes, yes, yes, continue, Yeah, okay, bucks,
the trend is what I'm saying. Yes, okay, six right Darien,
King of Keldor.
Speaker 1: This is a three three for white white four another human.
He's a lord. Also, whenever damage is dealt to you
put that many white one one soldiers into play. Tookens.
Speaker 2: This one's hard to read, so I'm I'm drawing from
experience when I've seen.
Speaker 1: This first one for the record that didn't have a
date stamped card. This is the first one on the
list that from you couldn't have old.
Speaker 2: Snap Old Snap, which was the completion of the ice
age block.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, this is a defensive card.
Speaker 2: Also, I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like five columna when angel Aaron plays this,
Smitty does too today and the whole deck is based
on hurting himself to make dudes while.
Speaker 2: Like sits on his own face, making you not.
Speaker 1: Want to attack him because it's going to make his
deck do better. Oh if you hit me for ten,
I'm just gonna make ten guys and gain ten life back. Yes, right,
like that's what this little Yes, yes, so this is
clearly another very powerful defensive mono White Commander.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we could use this as a data point
to say, hey, we're kind of holding the line. We're
we're continuing in this direction. Yes, defensive, sort of do
what you want to us, but we're going to gain
an advantage from it as to make you not want
to do it. We're not going to really stop you
from doing it, but if you do, we're going to
gain an advantage.
Speaker 1: So you don't want to Correct, you don't want to
do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, Audric Lunarc Marshall, there's the date stamp.
This is a human soldier.
Speaker 1: Correct, this is another damn human another.
Speaker 2: Three three for four, which is not only similar in
stats to other spells. We've seen Formana three three, not
necessarily Formana three threes, but Formana and three three. We've
both seen those things human. We've seen that, so lots
of similarities. There is at the beginning of combat, each
creature you control gains first strike until end of turn.
If a creature you control has first strike. The same
is true for flying Death, Touch, double strike, Hayes, text Proof, Indestructible, Lifelinke, Menace, Reach, Skulk,
very Important, Trample, and vig.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: I'm drawing on my experience in Commander since twenty sixteen,
which is ten years ago, by the way, fuck very strange.
Speaker 1: I don't I actually, and I can say, and I
think you're gonna say the same thing. I've never seen
an Odrich Luminark Marshall deck, not one time.
Speaker 2: I've certainly seen him in the ninety.
Speaker 1: Nine, absolutely honest, I've never seen him in the zone.
So this one, I can see it. People play this,
I believe it.
Speaker 2: But it's keyword dot deck, right, Yes, it's keyword dot deck.
And whether he's this is a value engine and this
card is an offensive superpower. This card is sideways. Everything
else in the deck also sideways. I say sideways. What
I mean is attacking because everything has fucking vigilance in
this deck. Yeah, because this guy is in Avison's deck
or vice versa, and everything else has every ability. Zatalpa
comes to mind. The I wonder if on the list
a chroma, oh ga chroma. Yeah, white superpower creatures come
to mind. When this card is in.
Speaker 1: Front of me.
Speaker 2: It doesn't scream commander though.
Speaker 1: You're right, Yeah, it's very strange, but I can see
it happening like this can certainly be a very cool
value deck. And it would be. Again, if I was
going to say are you're building order? Like what a
waste of a commands owe, That's what I'd say, But
I could see why people would do it. I got
something to say here.
Speaker 2: I just thought of I just freaking thought of this.
Speaker 1: Are we going to see.
Speaker 2: Just these like generic value bullshit commanders because White didn't
have anything that was better? Like so far, so far,
we've seen a defensive value commander, we've seen a stack
light defensive value commander. We've seen a fucking powerhouse in Avison.
She bucked the trend. And then we saw what did
we see? We saw freakin' Darien, which, sure he can
lead your he could lead your your soldier deck, your
your soldier deck or your soul warden deck. Sure, but
so could anybody else. And probably they have more than
one color. They're gonna do it better. And then we
see this guy who's like a build around better in
the ninety nine, but he provides value when all your
creatures have all your abilities. Yeah, Like this guy isn't
screaming powerhouse at me. Everything else in my deck that's
a powerhouse makes all my other cards better. Like when
I put Za Talpa and Avison in the same deck,
Za Talpa no am I saying the right name, the
right one, Za, Talpa and Avison. Those guys are who
I want to draw and cast and attack with, not Oddric.
And I know I don't have to attack with him.
It's at the beginning of each combat. I know he
doesn't have to attack. But I sure fuck would rather
play Avison than this guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah's and he ranked above her, directly above her almost
yeah yeah in crazy Yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, Well let's let's see the trend. The trend
that we're trying to build is becoming more obtuse. And
that's actually the opposite of what I thought we'd see.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I know a couple of the top ones,
and I think you might be surprised by some of
the top ones. I'm not. I won't. I'm not gonna
fuck around. I'm not gonna do it. Eli og once again,
O g Elish watching on YouTube, which you will see
that I'm using the art of her wearing a cowboy
as a cowboy hat because that's my favorite thing in
the world. Of all of the cards that I could own,
this is the one that I regret not the most,
because it's just it's a cowboy hat. Falling off of
a cowboy that's being worn as a cowboy hat, and
I want one so bad.
Speaker 2: I'm happy just knowing it's a cowboy hat. Yes, oh fuck,
that's great.
Speaker 1: And she's a four to seven for white white five
with VIDG. Other creatures you control get plus two plus two.
Other creatures your opponent's control get minus two minus two.
I think that this is a strictly very understandable. Why
is it in the commands zone card?
Speaker 2: I agree?
Speaker 1: The answer is yea.
Speaker 2: I agree, and would add when was the last time
you saw Elli Schnorn one point zero in the command zone?
Speaker 1: Years ago? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was long never never. Who nobody puts his in
the command zone?
Speaker 1: Nobody I can think of, like twice and again, as
per the thing of the show, both of them were
before twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Yes, this isn't a card that's become outclass. This is
a card that's become out commanded. Commanderness is tied to
a card and an effect and a thing that you
want to do, and this card isn't doing it anymore.
That's not to say this card isn't doing it, but
this card ain't doing commanderness.
Speaker 1: Because it's it's doing it still this card is this.
Speaker 2: Card drops and you fucking lose, and you lose because
their creatures get big or your creatures get small and
you've got no blocks.
Speaker 1: This card will fuck you up.
Speaker 2: And the card is great as a commander. I don't
think this card's that good. It's seven manna. First of all,
it only attacks her four. It doesn't got double strike,
so it's not an eight seven. It's a four to
seven with VID so it always blocks. That's great, But
do I want to block when all my guys get
plus two plus two, I want to attack, and I
know it's other creatures get plus two, she can block.
She got seven power. Like that's good. Like I understand
this card from every angle you could make an argument
about it from. I've played it. I've played against it.
I've played against it in the command zone. I've seen
it be reanimated. I've seen it be tutored for right
into play. Like, I've seen all the things this card
can do. Because there's only so many things that can do.
It's a Frectionian prayer. I don't know if we mentioned that,
but I've seen all of those creature types are relevant.
Speaker 1: I've seen it to play off of a defense of
the heart along with the massacre worm. And I've seen
that because I did it. That's pretty cool. You should.
Speaker 2: It wasn't Alex and he was killing you.
Speaker 1: No, that was me and I was killing him.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good. I like that part of the story.
Speaker 1: Man, great card. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to think that what we're saying
is is to mean that these cards aren't good.
Speaker 1: It messes me up to think, Yeah, this isn't good
enough as a commander anymore. What the lot that is?
Speaker 2: That is a phrase that you can utter in a vacuum,
and you're right, but you're also wrong because this card
in commander is good, and this card in your command
zone is good, fantastic, but it isn't doing the thing
that commanders do anymore. It isn't providing your your deck
value and multiple instances of value, turnover, turn, multiple instances
of value on everybody's turn. And while very powerful top end,
it isn't probably the most powerful thing you can do
in Mono white from the command zone. Therefore, it's not
good enough, which is crazy, which is what you said
like a minute ago, which is wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, said the next one, Ryan.
Speaker 2: Super actually super good discussion and kind of this is
the one where I think people are going to say like, oh, yeah,
it's it's whatever, blah blah blah, fuck off, or people
are still gonna be jerking off over Elis Norn because yeah,
because she's so powerful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of sexy with a fun hat. Yeah,
dead guy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh the other hat, we'll both hats are yeah, Bayalen
wandering Night. This one blows my mind.
Speaker 1: How do you like this? Grot there? Cat Night three
three for White White two with first strike has doubling,
has doubling strike has double strike as long as two
or more equipments are attached to it. White one, attach
all equipment you control to him.
Speaker 2: You know what, Aiden, you know what? F you Aiden
told me at the Coachman Licensed Beverage room last night.
Tell me he says Voltron's dead.
Speaker 1: Yep, I remember hearing that. I heard that. That conversation
is real.
Speaker 2: Took you a minute, but yeah, uh that's another one.
Let us know in the comments as Voltron dead, that's
going to be a diversity of opinion.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I think that fifty five to sixty percent of people
are going to say yes, and the forty to forty
five percent of people that say no are the people
that have recency bias and say the people night, I
just got fucked, I just got oh no, right.
Speaker 1: Final Fantasy cloud as all the equipment.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I still play Baalen. Yeah. Cat
Night not not on trend, not a human.
Speaker 1: And certainly not as good. This came in the Cat
Commander deck from twenty seventeen. Yep, and like the Cat
deck didn't quite exist yet, and we talked about that
way back in the damn Comentical Cat. Yeah, but this
was a very good voltron commander at the time, and
you can see back then, with all the swords and
all the super sweet equipment that was being printed at
the time, you could beat somebody to full scale death
with this real quick.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get everybody in there, everybody who's listening or
watching is I'm gonna try and paint a picture. Okay, Okay,
you've got a scale. You're sitting in the middle of
this slider. It goes to positive ten and negative ten.
You're sitting in the middle of it. Okay, the middle
of it is where white exists on the Commander top
ten scale. Deal at the start of our list, we
were hedging toward the aggro defensive value YEP side of
the scale. If we were Avison kind of bucked the
trend YEP. We saw a couple more things defensive or offensive,
so they zero out. Then we see a couple in
a row where it's like, oh, man, actually, White's talking
about equipments. White's talking about double strike. White's talking about
guys getting more abilities, and abilities are useful when you attack,
is it? Are we going to continue to see the
shift towards the agro side and White?
Speaker 1: Maybe we will.
Speaker 2: Are we going to see that is white?
Speaker 1: Weeny? Real? Let's see? Well it is to me, Well, yeah,
that's just because of who we are. Yeah, you you
can't help.
Speaker 2: It, can't help it, that's right. I've even used a stretcher,
not not for laying on, but for stretching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's in the next car pulleys and WA's mechanics brow.
Speaker 2: More mechanics than Audric didn't help.
Speaker 1: Oh, well done, well done, nicely, said Sam oh Man.
My buddy Shram, I'm playing this card two to two
for two to one White. Whenever you cast an aura
equipment or vehicle draw card. Yeah, didn't read his screature types.
I see he's a Dwarf Advisor advisor, our first advisor
on the list.
Speaker 2: This is another date stamp card. I play this card
on my vehicle deck in the ninety nine. I shouldn't wait,
should add, should add whenever you cast an aura or
equipment Now, in aura and equipment decks, those decks auras specifically,
not enchantments. I'm not talking enchantress. I'm talking auras. You
play auras that pump, yes, even mono white pump or remove, yes,
But I would posit that the removal auras are more
of a modern day thing, fair point. And I know
Pacifism and faith, Faith's fetters and prison terms, those all exist,
and people play those in Commander of old and draw
cards off there. Enchantresses shit like.
Speaker 1: I know that. But my auras in white are like
all that.
Speaker 2: Glitters, yes, and I'm gonna pound your whole fucking face in,
And my equipment usually play equipment to pump power and
deal some damage, yeah right, and give double strike and
ship right yep. So on that scale we are moving
towards the agro side still yep.
Speaker 1: We're going from defense to offense as we go over
the top.
Speaker 2: Is his number three or two? I don't I don't
think we're going.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at no.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't think. I don't think no one knows.
Let's just keep going. Let's go to the next one. Sram.
Very we can see why he's there. He's another engine
in the in the command zone. It comes very important.
Speaker 2: Were before we go to the next one. Were Sram
decks that you played against? Were those Vultron decks or
were those just equipment decks?
Speaker 1: Just equipment decks. They weren't trying to like they were.
They were Vultron decks, but they weren't necessarily trying to
win with SRAM. They were winning with whatever the they had.
I remember the the the U from Zenda car. It's
a one to one for white that had double strike
as long as it was equipped.
Speaker 2: I remember, yeah, I remember that, Yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah,
And it was like, man, getting to twenty double strike
on my regular guy, just as easy as getting to
ten double strike on Scram, yeah, or eleven double strike,
because you could play shit that gives plus one, that's
an aura plus one for each planes you control, then
give them double strike, then give them you know plus
six plus six and indestructible and then hit you for forty. Yeah,
and that was just as easy as eleven eleven scram Yes. Interesting,
super interesting.
Speaker 1: Now this one, oh, this one is a weird data point.
I like this one specifically because our buddy Lenny of
Lenny and Steven fame. This was his like big pet
deck back.
Speaker 2: And there's a combo deck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was his dirty, rotten, stinking, fucking combo deck.
Speaker 2: And I would I would, I would pause it that
it's Ashar. Everybody knows it's a combo deck now, yeah,
Like if you sit down and play against Ashar, there's
a lot of zero drop artifacts in there, so I'll
give it a read. It's a two to two bird
cleric for four another four man of flyer. Whenever you
cast a historic spell that is an artifact, enchantment or
saga No, sorry, an artifact saga or legendary Yes, okay,
return target creature card with man of value three or
less from your.
Speaker 1: G to the battlefield. Very good.
Speaker 2: So if I could cast a zero drop artifact and
sacrifice it, I could get a three or less back
to the battlefield.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: If I could sacrifice it, I could get something down,
like you could make these loops, I know, you get
it back to the battlefield. That's not casting.
Speaker 1: It's lots of junk.
Speaker 2: Junk Diver and Mere Retriever and Ornithopter and Memnite and
combo pieces galore that you would want to flip back
and forth from graveyard to battlefield. You get incremental draw
cards when they etb and.
Speaker 1: Demolish motherfuckers with Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is wild.
Speaker 1: There's lots our first combo commander, this.
Speaker 2: Is our first combo commander, and they would play all
of the like before before CEDH existed and Rule zero
and the bracket matchmaking system. You would put all the
fast man out that White could put into decks yep,
and you would get those things back. Lion's Eye diamond
goes into this deck because you discard your hand and
get three and then you play something and if that's
something that you played was historic, you immediately get your
Lion's Eye diamond back, right Like this was a combo
master class man, and I would I would put combo
decks into the offensive category, yes, and I used offensive
and defensive specifically that language instead of combo control agro. Yeah,
if we could if we could say combo, control, agro.
Those are three separate archetypes. Well, agro and combo are
offensive things. They're proactive things. I'm trying to come at you. Yes,
defense is the opposite of that. I'm trying to defend
and pick my time. Blah blah blah. The lines get
blurred when my defensive deck, like my control deck, combo's
out to win. It flips right. So that's why there's
three different archetypes there instead of just offensive and defensive.
But for purposes of this discussion offense or defense to
kind of parse the difference between types of commanders, we
see and this is an offensive one again. It pushes
that slider towards the offense side.
Speaker 1: Offense side from Monto White. What the fuck?
Speaker 2: Sorry, I just purped into the mic. Sorry, sorry, Penon
Oh up on there too. Yep, yeah, yep, interesting working hard.
That's actually that's actually kind of elish.
Speaker 1: Norman also would have had one, Yeah, and so the
other one I got a weird art for. They all
had date stamps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the rest of it, just just we've got
to be getting close.
Speaker 1: This internal catcher. This one blows my mind.
Speaker 2: Have ever you ever played against God Eternal Kettra.
Speaker 1: Yes, Alex has it. I built it in arena back
in the day. What's that number one?
Speaker 2: Oh? This is number one.
Speaker 1: This feno was paying attention. This is the he wasn't
just in the CCP chair. This is the number one
commander in Mono White from twenty nineteen. Got Eternal Culture
is a three six double striker for white White three.
Whenever you cast a creature spelled make a four to
four black zombie warrior token with vigilance, and when it
eats shit three from the top right, you put it
three from the top and you play it again.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna highlight a couple things that I've seen. It's
five mana, which puts it kind of in the middle.
We've seen some higher cost and a bunch of lower cost.
Puts it kind of one ability word and then an
ability yep, kind of two abilities, but only one counts
more toughness than it has power, which makes you think, oh,
it's defensive, but it's got double strike, so related taxes
a six six. It's a sixty six, which is great
as six to six for five. Like let's go yo.
Speaker 1: If it was a six to six with double strike
for five, what is that a fucking universe beyond card?
Speaker 2: Whenever you cast a creature spell, create a four to
four black zombie warrior creature chuckling with viage ah aggro
all day combo. Both of those archetypes fit into offense. Yes,
I think mono white was an offensive color.
Speaker 1: I can cur.
Speaker 2: But it's it's not. If you asked one hundred people
based on these ten cards, I don't think it would
be so conclusive. I think you'd probably get like sixty
to seventy percent of people saying, what we're saying, offensive color,
and then you'd get thirty to forty percent of people saying, no,
it's it's a defense because of all of these reasons.
Look at the high toughnesses, look at how much you
know defense, look at how much blah blah.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah. I agree with you. Interesting, Yes,
So that's that's the that's the twenty nineteen top ten,
and we're gonna hit the uh the current this.
Speaker 2: Is if you go I hit the if I hit
for it is going to say now.
Speaker 1: It is and I had to when I when I
made the graphic, I felt that it kind of looked
like a white splatter on the screen, so I had
to make sure that you knew it wasn't come.
Speaker 2: Ah, thanks for that.
Speaker 1: You're you're welcome. So these are the top ten And
if you go to dy h as you listen to
this episode based on some of the numbers, I'll bet
you that it's gonna be the same ten cards. If
you're listening to this in the year of twenty twenty six,
none of these are gonna change. Oh it's like that,
it's that far ahead.
Speaker 2: Okay, So first one, this is number ten of Now.
This is number ten of now.
Speaker 3: Okay, Felia, we'ren't expecting that, or yeah.
Speaker 1: Felia exuberant shepherd. And you're gonna notice there's lots of
words on these cards. This is a two to two
for two, one of which is white with flash. Whenever
she attacks, exile up to one other target non land
permanent at the beginning of the next end step or
turn that card to play under its owner's control, and
if it entered under the control, it gets Oh if
it was your shit, put a plus one encounter on
what it's a fucking blink But it's a blink card.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, blink is value yeap White in the ninety
nine has gotten ETB draw card on a few things. Yep,
a few things that have been dogs, which shares with
this need plus one plus one great way to gain value, Blink,
great way to get value. So like I can see it,
I know that those strategies exist. Have I played against
this card in the command zone? I have not me either.
I don't think I would.
Speaker 1: Honestly, if I was to see this in the Command
zone and this was surprising to me, I'd be shocked,
because there's just better. There's enough cards that just fucking
do this, including this card that you don't need it
in the command zone. You know what, Why are you
doing this to yourself? What's unless you want to have
the goodest boy deck and whatever?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That that is. One second thing is maybe you
want to play Blink, but you don't want to play
Azorious Blink. Sure, I bet you. When we look at
Azorious then and now we're gonna see some trends in Blink. Yeah,
you're right, right, And maybe you don't want to do that,
fair point. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the next card do it.
Speaker 2: This is a weird one, but it's the first one
in the data set, so we can't say it's weird.
We actually can't say it.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm surprised though, just because I've never seen him.
What's fucking you know? It's not weird. It's not weird.
Speaker 2: Drinking this raspberry wheat ail stunt beer. Don't drink that
stunt beer. I swear to God. No, I'm putting in
the last one we have.
Speaker 1: I'm putting it in the middle.
Speaker 2: Oh you're lucky, Okay. Next card.
Speaker 1: Aardric again lou Nark Marshall. The same card we talked
about earlier is number nine to day. He got a
new art. Yeah, he got a new full art art,
and he has gone.
Speaker 2: Down in the he listed down in the rankings.
Speaker 1: He's still there. He's the one that stays.
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see if anybody else stay right.
Speaker 1: He stayed, Audric Lunik Mark. He is still in the
top ten of Mono White Commanders played today.
Speaker 2: He didn't have a whole ton of runway to stay. No,
Like if you're number one and you fall to number seven,
like sure, that's a big fall, but like you had
nine places to fall and still.
Speaker 1: Be on the list, Like, where's the catch?
Speaker 2: The last time. Fucking six.
Speaker 1: I think I think he went six or seven. Yeah,
there's six or five, five or six? Shocking. Let's let's
do the next one. Let's let's see what the ass
what the hell we're still.
Speaker 2: Playing and he's the one that we were like, why
are we playing him in the ninety.
Speaker 1: Nine in the zone? Yeah? Why are we wasting our
commands on this assle? Mind you?
Speaker 2: No, but okay, creatures since twenty nineteen have gotten better.
Speaker 1: They've gotten more ability.
Speaker 2: Let's not let's not miss on. Creatures have gotten better.
So if you're creatures, what does better mean? Better means
more abilities, more words, do more things, more, do more things.
Some of those things are flying, first strike, vigilance, trample, lifelink, haste, skulls,
fucking skulk, Yeah for sure. Uh, which would make Audric better?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like, I think I get it. I get that, I
get it, I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1: You still weren't expecting to see him? No, I'm in
the top ten of today and I know that. No,
because I wasn't either. I was like, what the hell? Really,
that's a cool one, God, damn, that's cool. I wasn't
expecting that at all.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's number nine, nine nine, This is number eight.
Speaker 1: Should have had numbers on him next week. Come on,
get you now that Now I've learned, I've I've I've
learned the thing Heliod Sun Crawl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a direct result of the rise of
c ed H. And before anybody jumps on me, I
know that he's not the de facto CEDH commander that's
wrecking up the format. I know, but at one time
he was really fucking good, and he was a one
card combo with Walking Ballista.
Speaker 1: He was the Painter's Grindstone, but in the opposite order.
With Painter's Grindstone you go grinders Stone, Grinder's paint stone,
you go Grindstone, Painter's servant win the game. Here it
goes Heliod, Walking Ballista win the game. And yes, like
we understand, this isn't a deck that you see very
often anymore. But I've played against several Heliods.
Speaker 2: You've played against helots yea, I have against heliouts. And
what's the first thing you asked him? Now that the
bracket matchmaking system.
Speaker 1: Are you playing Walking Blister?
Speaker 2: Are you playing Walking Blister? Is this a CEDH deck?
What are your intentions. How many tutors do you have? Right? Like,
these are the kinds of things that you ask.
Speaker 1: Now play a stat I'm going to come to the
defense of all the Heliod players out there. Most common
answer when I say are you playing walk Walking Ballista
is no, yep. I have played against more Walking Ballista,
less Heliod sun Crown decks than ones that play him
because they didn't want to do the two card combo.
They just like the life link.
Speaker 2: Let's give him cause we haven't read him. Okay, So
he's a five to five god for three, which sounds
really good. It's got indestructible, this sounds even better. Five. Yeah,
as long as your devotion to white is less than five.
Speaker 1: Devotion is total man of symbols of a color in
your casting costs of permanence you control.
Speaker 2: If your devotion to five is devotion of white is less.
Speaker 1: Than five, is less than white.
Speaker 2: He's not a creature, correct, He's an enchantment. Yes, okay? Cool. Also,
whenever you gain life, put a plus one counter on
target creature or enchantment you control, so he can put
a plus one on himself before he's a creature. If
you hain life and white one. Another target creature gains
life link until end of turn. So what you do
is you have him in play, you cast Walking Ballista,
you pay white one. Another target creature you control gains
light link til end of turn, and whenever you gain life,
put a plus one on a creature or enchantment you control.
You remove a counter a plus one from Walking Ballista
to deal one damage to something. Walking has life life
and it gets counterpack.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So one card combo with your commander and one card
combo is an expression. It's a two card combo because
your commander and another card do the combo. But all
the time, when one is always in your command zone,
you only ever need one other card, So it's a
one card combo. My favorite way to win and commander
one card combo. All my most competitive decks use one
card combos because I'm a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: Ye Ah, he can confirm, can confirm he just did
that is very true? Yes, two or three times now,
absolutely off garbage, Yes person, Yes, you're barely friends.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I know all these things.
Speaker 1: When you die, I'm gonna raise your son and you're
gonna he's gonna know that you suck.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well that's Helio.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the next card delay or were you
expected to see Delni street Wise? Lookout the two to
two for white too legendary human scout creatures you control
of power too or less can't be blocked by creatures
of power three or greater? Were you expecting that? What
if I read you the next line on the card.
This is if an ability of a creature you control
power too or less triggers, it triggers an additional time.
What the is even happening?
Speaker 2: Can I tell you what I expected?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Please do to not even know that this card existed? Yes,
And I was disappointed because now I learned that this
card existed.
Speaker 1: This is a real asspect.
Speaker 2: This is a three drop.
Speaker 1: Ability doubler. And you know where this do where this goes?
Because I was, I was like.
Speaker 2: What the in your command zone?
Speaker 1: Apparently this is a Soul Sister's commander a double life game.
You gained double life from all your commanders.
Speaker 2: And then you rolled down on dhrek dot com and
you saw Soul Warden and Sol Attendant and sold jerk
Off and Soul Brother and yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Like a bunch of the card draw and white creatures
h a vampire that whenever little guy comes in draw
a fucking card.
Speaker 2: All those things rocks, faith, mendered gain, life gain, double life.
Speaker 1: All small and that's what this deck kind of is.
But still like, like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: I appreciate the context there because I would say, what
abilities are we trying to trigger? I think I would
have locked onto it eventually. This is a human scout.
Most of those creatures that you're talking about are something cleric,
which doesn't make a whole ton of sense for me
to queue onto then or there. But the life gain,
the incremental or instances of life gain deck are very powerful.
I play one in the our command right, yep, mona
white Angel. Aaron plays about fifteen of.
Speaker 1: Them in every deck he plays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that this makes sense. It's three manna,
which is if we graft or averaged then versus now
CMC in the command zone, we probably see a lower number. Absolutely,
Avison's gonna skew that a little bit. Yeah, eight, and
I don't expect to see Avison, oh and Elischnorn. I
don't expect to see them in the top ten.
Speaker 1: Now, Oh you don't, Oh, no, will be surprised, maybe surprising.
Speaker 2: I do want to go back, just real quick. We've
got okay, we've got failure. Yeah, this is a blink strategy.
Would you call this offensive or defensive?
Speaker 1: One? That's defensive defensive because usually you're gonna just you're
building up a board of things. Is usually it's gonna
come into play. I'm gonna remove your thing. It's gonna
come into play. I'm gonna make more tokens.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's gonna be difficult to hit that person.
Yeah yeah, okay, Audric, we said it was offensive this time.
Speaker 1: Yea heliod, I'm gonna say that's offensive. It's combo centric.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if you're playing walky bee.
Speaker 1: Right. It lets you attack with virtual impunity at a
certain point.
Speaker 2: That's seven. This is six.
Speaker 1: It's another what the yeah? Yeah, very surprising. Okay, let's
go to the next one. Let's see it is five
cloud Mercenary.
Speaker 2: Oh why don't you give this? Want to read and
then answer me this? Riddle me this brando?
Speaker 1: Okay, why is it the same color as the background?
Why is the card and the wall behind us the
same color? Who knows? It's a hold on? Answer me?
Speaker 2: This is voltron dead. Answer me this after you read
this card?
Speaker 1: I will say it before I read this card, I'm
gonna say no. I think people might think it is,
but it's not. It's a viable strategy, especially with the
cards that are printed today, including Cloud Midguard Mercenary, which
is a two to one for white white human Soldier Mercenary.
When it enters, search your library for any equipment cards,
show it off to the table, put it into your
handsh off your library, as long as it's equipped. If
an ability of it or an equipment Jesus Christ, excuse
me attached to it triggers, it triggers an additional time.
So think of the swords a double trigger again, tune
in a row butt forged battle ass. So many cards
trigger when they attack, lots and lots of epintment. Yeah,
and this one doubles all of them, and he's on
curve to play and.
Speaker 2: Equip them because he got two scored cost three.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, this is a It's an amazing card. And
I know that it's a really good card because when
I got my this if you're watching on YouTube, which should,
when I got this very art for my full art
Borderless Final Fantasy collection. This card costs upwards of eighty dollars.
Speaker 2: It's not even lots.
Speaker 1: It's lots for a card I'll never play ever because
I don't play Mono White equipment, huh, but lots.
Speaker 2: Of And if he did, you could just play Baylan. Yeah,
because I know that you bought that Commander deck.
Speaker 1: I sure did. Yes, I did, Yes, I did.
Speaker 2: Okay, this and correct me if I'm wrong?
Speaker 1: Is new Bayalen. This is the card that's on here
instead of Bailin.
Speaker 2: Not what I was gonna say, But what I was
going to say is this, and correct me if I'm wrong.
Is our first Universes Beyond card in the top ten of.
Speaker 1: Now you are correct.
Speaker 2: This is the number five, This number six? Thanks you
five feenom vedam.
Speaker 1: You're sleeping? What what card are we on? Can you tell? No?
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, fuck, I just got to do Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Okay, So ten nine, eight seven, six, he's six.
Speaker 2: So we had to get to We had the six
before we cracked a Universe's Beyond card. Because that's what
this is all about, is people people fricking sandbagging and
jerking off onto your email account about how bad Universes
Beyond is for the game. This is the first one
we've seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for the record, this isn't even the most
it's not even outside the realm of what White does. Okay, well,
there's other things I want to do. This, I will
say that we we.
Speaker 2: Have to we have to appreciate a couple things here.
Of course, five through one could all be universes beyond cards.
Speaker 1: They could be. Maybe they could be.
Speaker 2: And this list doesn't give us any indication of what
the ninety nine's of dex.
Speaker 1: Is also correct, and we're only looking at monto white
also correct.
Speaker 2: There's thirty three other color combinations. Yes, yeah, So we're
not confirming anything here, I guess is what we're saying.
We're just we're just observing. This is the first one,
this is the first that we've run across. Let's let's
let's be objective, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to say it's not the most egregious
one that we could have come across. No, I think
it's fine.
Speaker 2: I think it does the thing with the buster sword
that they want to do, and like it's.
Speaker 1: It finds the card that it is supposed to find
and does the thing, and then it finds other cards.
Speaker 2: And I would I would pause it that because that's
what it does. It meets your expectation of what this
character is supposed to do. Independent of what the format
of commander wants a commander to do, this card does
the thing that you want it to do.
Speaker 1: It's a famboy with a sword that's too big for
his body. He does it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know what that's like, having a sword
too big for my body.
Speaker 1: And of course.
Speaker 2: Elish Nord, Mother of Machines are our second.
Speaker 1: El elish Norn is back. But this is a different Now,
this this is another X seven. It's a four to seven,
this time for five. Because Howard Creep doesn't exist. Shut up.
It's got vigilance, just like Eli Schnort has. And if
a permanent you control entering the battlefield would trigger an ability,
and a permanent you control it triggers in an additional time.
And then it's the opposite for your opponents. So if
a permanent they control would cause something to trigger, it
triggers not so it turns off Landfall DECKX and makes
your etb's way fucking better.
Speaker 2: This is the third instance of double triggers we've seen.
That's a trend. Yeah, three equals a trend. Yep, I'm
sticking to that math.
Speaker 1: That's fair. It's also if you want to look at
it from like a hurt in your opponent's feelings.
Speaker 2: Let's make this, let's make this the fourth trigger card
because the dog failure or whatever. Yeah, is an et
B deck, which I know because I play Commander. ETB
decks rely on triggers. Yes, Now, if Lyly is your commander,
elish Norn isn't correct, but elish Norn probably in your deck.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Or if elis nornon your commander and it's a link deck,
maybe failure in.
Speaker 1: Your deck not?
Speaker 2: Maybe it's it's she's there, Okay, it's thanks for confirming.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Yep. And I would say that if we
looked in the pre twenty twenty list, Thallia was there, like,
that's our de facto quasi stax commander. This might be
the next one.
Speaker 2: Because this might be the next one. I don't know
what the other ones are.
Speaker 1: Maybe you do.
Speaker 2: This one is the staxiest I think so far.
Speaker 1: The prevalence of ETB decks is such that I would
say eli sh Noorn could be considered.
Speaker 2: Wait a second, I would say that wait a second.
We could build a blank deck to be a Stacks deck.
Speaker 1: Of course you could.
Speaker 2: We could build a Stax deck kind of in any shell,
and the commander might provide a wink on sure, maybe
we build a what's his name heliod Stax deck? Yeah,
that we just find walking blister and win like we could.
Of course you could now absolute value of words printed
on card. Elis Norn's Eli Snorn's him her in this
case she checks that boxes for leading the charge in
I could be your Stax commander category, though we could
do it outside of Eli s nooron based on what
we've seen so far.
Speaker 1: Also correct. So yeah, yeah, maybe maybe I think ye
elis Norn there she is huh mile shield of our
give Do you even know what this card does? This?
This is the most surprising one because I forgot this
card even brothers, I don't remember, because I picked a
art that's from a secret layer. So it's a three
year for four to one of which is white. It's
a human soldier. During your turn, your opponents can't cast
spells or activate abilities of artifacts, creatures, or enchantments period
that includes man abilities. Whenever it attacks you make x
one to one colorless soldier, artifact, creature tokens.
Speaker 2: Or ex soldiers you control. Yeah, I know this card.
I didn't recognize that art but my rel shield of
argive is at least for a while. Was a combo
powerhouse CEDH. Commander, this is during your turn. Your opponents
can't cast spells are actually okay when attacks create. Man,
this was part of a combo and it was, oh man,
it stops your guy, you guys from doing stuff when
she attacks, she create ex soldiers, So she oh man,
where where does this card?
Speaker 3: People who know know they're screaming at us, and I'm gonna,
I'm gonna, I'm just gonna throw my hands up.
Speaker 1: I don't this card surprised me. I've I've never seen
this card before ever. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this card is like a major card, and I'm
I'm on EDH.
Speaker 1: I'm on EDH.
Speaker 2: Rec It goes in like double trigger cards, or it
goes in winoda.
Speaker 1: But it's this isn't winoda. This is my No, she's
in the command zone. You're looking at things, but this
is in the command zone. This is number four in
the command zone.
Speaker 2: As a commander, Man, what is the card? It combos
with something.
Speaker 1: I'm I guarantee you it does, but I don't know
what it is.
Speaker 2: Man dh Rex got it with a bunch of soldier cards.
Speaker 1: Of course it does.
Speaker 2: And Audric Master Tactician naturally thahly a heretic it is, right, Yeah,
the whole thing. It goes with something and I just
I don't quite remember, but it goes wild with something.
Maybe maybe it goes wild with World Gorge Dragon.
Speaker 1: Maybe it goes in the ninety nine and World Gorge Dragon.
We're going to Dragon red. This is a mono white.
So if you if you know why this is as
high as it is on here, let us know in
the comments and let's move on to the next card.
Oh it's bugging me, well then let it bug in.
If you can figure it out while we're talking about
more cards, you can.
Speaker 2: Let you can't.
Speaker 1: I'm too stupid. No, I wouldn't go that far. But
let's it's the next card. What this is anti venom?
Speaker 2: I thought it said anti woman.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what what is the kind of
magic anti venom?
Speaker 2: Horrifying healer? Right, white white white, white white symbiote hero
five to five five five or five, that's good.
Speaker 1: Five five for five hard white, hard white, hard white Google.
Well you can if you want to laugh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when antivanom enters if he was cast returned to
our creature card from your grave.
Speaker 1: To the beat.
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's pretty good. Literally resurrect resurrect costs forest from.
Speaker 1: Alpha and with for one more man with a five
five body attached to it, Yes, with another.
Speaker 2: Ability if damage will be dealt to anti venom, prevent
that damage and put that many counters on it.
Speaker 1: A pretty good theres.
Speaker 2: Himself pretty good. That's like the opposite of frection obliterator.
Speaker 1: I likebliterator better, but but.
Speaker 2: Yes, obliterator better. You like to obliterator better. Yes, both
of these could go in better.
Speaker 1: Though correct, very correct.
Speaker 2: Would they make better better? No? Because too many pips,
too many pips. I was gonna say, obliterator and.
Speaker 1: Better a little better and anti venom irratifying better.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, this this, this is that high
on the list already.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And this came out like less than six months ago,
and it's very This is the one that I was like,
what the really, what really? Okay, it's just because it's
an amazing creature gets a five five or five that
doesn't eat shit when it gets dealt damage, like right, Like,
it's a very very very good creature and it's to
reanimate in Monto white for five, So it gets your
whatever the it gets your elish norn back, it gets
your other elish norn back man whatever. Right.
Speaker 2: I have a few theories as to I have a
few hypotheses as to why.
Speaker 1: And people might be giving a ship like, oh fuckingos,
what the fuck is up? You can check this for
yourself on dhreck dot com today.
Speaker 2: Oh no, nobody's disputing the data on dah track. Yeah,
I'm just because this is what they're going to dispute.
Is is why we're having a hard time understanding why
these cards are as high as they are. Now, I'll
tell you why, because this is a very very powerful
creature and it's very very mono white, and it's from
a very very adopted universes beyond set. And remember it,
Obviously nobody likes playing Anti Venom. Obviously baxcept for the
fucking twenty thousand decks or whatever.
Speaker 1: On edia track based on sales of the set, nobody
liked that set.
Speaker 2: But people like this card and it's mono white, and
you know when new players come into the format, you know,
because Universes Beyond brings them into the format. Because it's
totally ruining the game, bringing new players into the game.
Speaker 1: That's right. Remember that's the worst thing you can do.
Speaker 2: And they say things like I never I never play
I never play black, I only play white, I really
like white, I don't play red, I don't play green.
Speaker 1: Remember you hear Toby says that all the time.
Speaker 2: You hear and he's new.
Speaker 1: I know you hear.
Speaker 2: New players say all the time, I don't play red
or I only play white. White is my favorite idiots,
et cetera. I'm using white as an example.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm I'm saying it because it's true.
Speaker 2: And when the best white creature in the set that
brought you into the game of Magic can be your commander,
you're gonna play it at a pretty high clip. I
think it's the truth. I think this is the reason
why this card's a commander. I can go with that
modern commander ness because we're living in the age of
synergy and we're not talking about this right now, but
it's a conversation I think worth having. Are we getting
out of the age of synergy and getting into the
age of raw power in the command zone.
Speaker 1: I hope so you think? So you hope, Well, that's
going to make my omnac way better costs seven. Don't
care because all they're going to do is print omnath
that costs five, and that's only going to make the.
Speaker 2: Deck are much better. And you could pay four form
because you've got a Farexian black and his casting costs black.
Let me rephrase just questions. Are we getting into the
stage of Commander where it's raw power efficiency?
Speaker 1: I hope not right? I want one of the other,
only one of the other.
Speaker 2: Can you want only efficiency or only power?
Speaker 1: You can have both?
Speaker 2: Where does where does the synergy phase of commander.
Speaker 1: Fit on that continuum?
Speaker 2: If if one side is efficiency and one side is power.
Speaker 1: Well it's on the efficiency side.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Where does synergy sit on on the efficiency or
power side?
Speaker 1: I think that synergy fits.
Speaker 2: More or is it a triangle? There are three different things.
Speaker 1: I think that synergy fits more on efficiency.
Speaker 2: I think so too.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think it's its own thing.
Speaker 2: How much do I how much work do I have
to do to get some benefit?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And that's synergy and that's efficiency.
Speaker 1: Yes, synergy is efficiency and power is too. Efficiency works
on power as well. But I think that you can
you can push raw fucking power a little harder than efficiency,
because at the end of the day, a really raw
power can get doom bladed. Raw power gets doom bladed
or counterspelled, and you're fucked. When efficiency efficiency you can.
Speaker 2: Synergy is spread across many, many, many game pieces. In
which case raw power in the form of Wratha good
sure is the anti venom.
Speaker 1: Yes in this case, yes, well said, Well said.
Speaker 2: Yes, dang maang, where's that leave ante venom?
Speaker 1: Then leaves them in the efficiency side an efficient cards.
It's good and it's fine and it looks cool. The
art that we're.
Speaker 2: Showing on YouTube right now, the art, the power level,
not that it's egregious, but the art and the power
level and the set that it was in good card
and recency bias. I know that they use the word
recency bias on EVH reccast Sure recency bias in that
it came out recently and it was a universe is
beyond product. I'm kind of borrowing the term recency bias
to say, lots of people are playing this because lots
of people came into the game with Spider Man, and
this is the most powerful White Commander.
Speaker 1: Let me hit you with a spoiler. Oh, last ub
commander on our list.
Speaker 2: Oh and it's number four.
Speaker 1: Let's to the next one. Like pause, my whole ass
This card sucks and I'm gonna read it and then
we're gonna talk about why it sucks, and then we're
gonna move on. Decreature tech to two for White one
Fox Advisor. There's an Advisor point in its favor whatever
an area you control enters if you cast it. You
may search your library for an Aura card with man
of value less than are equal to the Aura and
with a different name. Then each area you control put
that card into battlefield attached to light Pause. This card
is literally the exact same game each and every time
you play it. Only dirt bags play this card.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do, but Brando, I don't google. I don't google.
Speaker 1: I don't need a track my whole deck. Yes you do. No. No.
Speaker 2: What I meant to say is I don't search for
the same enchantment that's the number one enchantment on E
Da Trek.
Speaker 1: Yes you do.
Speaker 2: Are you still searching your deck for the same thing
every single time?
Speaker 1: Yes? Your deck is the same every time you play
it is is you play it on turn one or
two and then you find the thing.
Speaker 2: Give me the best enchantment in my deck is indeed
an on eeda track dot com. Do you search for
the best enchantment in your deck every time?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: How is it different? Then it ain't?
Speaker 1: It ain't uh And.
Speaker 2: I'm saying these are bad decks, but light Pause almost
certainly not a bad deck.
Speaker 1: It fucking wins lots of games. Probably it's one of
the commanders. They'll say, I don't I don't want to.
I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2: It's the same every time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the I don't care what you're ga. I don't
want to do it.
Speaker 2: Let's let's define a little bit what the same every
time means the play pattern is the same. I'm going
to cast light Pause on turn one or two because
if I disclose, oh, I want to play it like
brack and four. I got fast Man out of my
deck so I can play light Pause on turn one.
I'm going to play light Pause on turn one or
two every single game I ever play the deck, and
I'm going to find the best enchantment in my deck
that allows me to win the game. Yes, and three.
Other players can try to turn one or two or
three remove my commander as if that puts the card
not in my hand or whatever. The play pattern is
the same, yes, regardless of whether you're playing Bracket one
and it's a theme deck, Bracket two and it's like
kind of just searching for stuff that's fun and quirky
and interesting or what you had, or Bracket three and
it's like powerful and tuned and you've got.
Speaker 1: Some specific shit to deal with stuff.
Speaker 2: In your meta, or you're like going on a heyday
and you're playing the most powerful things that dh Reck
told you, or you're playing all of the fast Manna
and stax pieces and white game changers, and you're doing
literally the same cast, my guy, same card tutor every
single time.
Speaker 1: Correct, And that's what you're doing. And I know that
because we had two light Pause decks in our meta,
and both of them searched for different cards each turn,
but they both found the same cards each game. Yeah,
and one found X, Y and Z and Deck two
found C, A and D.
Speaker 2: I'll Devil's advocate you and say, brandos two decks. Oh
my god, that isn't a very big sample size.
Speaker 1: Sure, but I've also played against him in the wild.
Speaker 2: Ah, That's what I was gonna say. Have you ever
gone to a magic con and have you ever played
against a light pose and a magic con once?
Speaker 1: Because every other time it's ever popped out and said
I don't want to do it, and they'll go, Okay,
I'll find something else because most people are cool. It's like, yo,
I don't want to play against your Like yeah, they know,
they know I don't want to do it. I know
what that's gonna do. I don't want to do it,
Like I'll literally leave. I would rather not play than
play against And.
Speaker 2: This is this is an dhreckism. How much do you
think light pause is just like a commander that people
theory build or building then take apart, but it stays
on arcadect dot com as a deck, so it counts yes.
Speaker 1: Interesting, The answer is yes, Igine.
Speaker 2: I don't know in twenty nineteen like that was as
big of a problem as it is now.
Speaker 1: I don't think it is. I think now I think
people theory build the lots and they take it out
one time and they see people in the wild, or
even if their lgs.
Speaker 2: Go, they take it apart physically, but it's still on
their architect account. And how much of that happening when
somebody says, oh, I don't have a mono white deck.
I've never built mono white. What's good?
Speaker 1: Oh, light pause?
Speaker 2: I can search for that every time, because tutoring for
a card in magic is like one of the funnest
things to do, right, light pause? Lets you do that
on turn five at one and win the game. How
many people see that and do that and then just
build a light pause deck on arcadect dot com and
their friends hate it and then they take it apart
in person, but don't take it off architect, and it
just perpetuates the truth.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's such a.
Speaker 2: Weird phenomenon with and we we haven't brought this up
with any other deck except this one.
Speaker 1: This is actually that is the that is the one on.
This is number three. I hold up one finger number three.
What's number two?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find out I do. This is number one.
Light Pause was number two. And if I think that
everybody who heard we're going to talk about mono white,
Jiada font of Hope is the two to two for
white one Angel Flying vigilance and if you're a long
time listener to Command or Cookout podcast.
Speaker 2: Or if you've ever seen CEOs.
Speaker 1: Side what you got there? I was hoping you get
it took him minute. That took me. I was like,
why is he pointing?
Speaker 2: I understand because Mono White Angel air and played Jiada
Jada and freaking beat.
Speaker 1: Us five color monoh Angel also one color Mono White Angel,
whoever fuck Angel deck of course, And I'm I know
we're not gonna do predictions, and we don't want to
do predictions, but I'm going to do a prediction based
on the one number one commander that I know without question.
I'm gonna say that the number one modern day commander
in the five Mono colors is always gonna be a
creature type commander. Ooh like, I'll bet you next week
at the end of the show, we're gonna talk about
a murpho commander, and then we're gonna talk about what's
black zombies. Then we're gonna talk about goblins, and goblins
is a giveaway with goblins and elves, then probably an elf,
and I don't know about two colors. I'll bet you
two Colors is different, but I'll bet you for the
mono color commander.
Speaker 2: Come on, he's still gonna be zombies, still gonna be soldiers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're still gonna see him. But and I think
we all knew that Jada is gonna be the one,
because like, this card is crazy on arena. We've seen
this everywhere in person decks. We've got two people that
play this, and that still play this big time locally.
You know what's huge.
Speaker 2: This is a two to two for two. So it's
a lot, it's a lot smaller, it's lower on our curve,
so we can cast our commander sooner. This is a
thing that we might notice from the then to now.
We might notice this a few times then to now.
Lower on the curve, smaller body. We're using it for value,
we're using it for synergy. Those two terms could be
used synonymously. Those two terms, the Venn diagram of what
they mean is almost a circle value and and uh man,
we see two abilities now instead of one, we see
a second and a third ability. And I know, in
the then versus now, you said there's going to be
more words. Of course there are, and there are. It's
a it's a value provider.
Speaker 1: It's Flying Vigilance.
Speaker 2: It's each other ange you can it's plus like it does.
Speaker 1: And it's a car that brings your girlfriend into magic.
Speaker 2: And it's the car a big Yeah, it's the car
that says, I'm building my girlfriend this Jada deck because angels,
because I think angels are how I get my girlfriend
into magic. That's been a ccoism right there. We've been
saying that since fucking day one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, that's great, and the angel girls are great,
but give me the give me the demon girls, give
me the rack dose girls.
Speaker 2: And those girls are sitting on faces until you stop moving.
Speaker 1: That's right. I want to have like fish net imprints
on my cheeks.
Speaker 2: You want to have fish net fucking skin. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the point is Jada's number one. We all know
the let's read her for plus aeris.
Speaker 2: I thought we already did.
Speaker 1: She's a white one for two flying Vigilance. Each other
angel you control enters with an additional plus one plus
one counter on it for each angel you already control. Bullshit,
And she taps for a white that can be used
to cast an angel spell. So you know what deck
she goes in. You know precisely what she does it's
a bunch of bullshit. Here's the gimmick for the arc
of evolution. Right. Oh, I'm ready because I have done
the the leg work. Let's say I've gone through the things.
I arranged all the cards, so I knew the information
kind of coming in, and I tried to know as
little as I could, but I did understand it. So
at the end of the show, I'm going to get
you to give me the final thought of the day
twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: N White Commander Commanders. Now from two day, what has changed?
Has it gotten better or worse with the inclusion of
Universes beyond?
Speaker 1: Do you think Universes beyond took over your favorite color,
which in this example is white.
Speaker 2: WHOA. Okay, I've said a bunch of times this show,
and we'll continue to say over the course of the
arc of evolution that one and two data points does
not make a trend.
Speaker 1: We need three or more.
Speaker 2: And I would love to see what how many data
points we can collect where Universes beyond dominate the color combination.
Ok And today in mono white we saw a couple,
but mono white, Universes Beyond Commanders did not dominate the
Now Commanders they didn't.
Speaker 1: They did not. We saw two or three two.
Speaker 2: Anti venom and cloud and cloud just two. We saw
two that isn't dominant, that's twenty percent. We even saw
one guy that was the same. We saw similar trends
in what kind of deck we think is the average
deck that plays this commander. We saw trends in that
also true. We saw a little bit of a shift
from from defensive to offensive. We saw a little bit
of a trend in i'll say control and agro towards
combo that trend. I'm excited to see how that plays out.
Are we gonna see? Oh, we even saw We even
saw the shift from this is here, this is here
because this is what the color does and this is
all it does, to this is here because of CEH
very good. What are people doing that makes this good?
What are people thinking or how are they approaching this color?
And is this why they're picking it? Are are we
seeing attacking? Are we seeing defending? Are we seeing comboing?
And is this why this commander is good? Or this
commander's good and it facilitates this right? Like I'm I'm
not necessarily thinking about it. What does this commander do?
But why are people doing it? And man, I'm actually
super excited. I two weeks ago I wasn't sold on
on this topic. Last week I was like, oh, wait
a second, actually maybe this is kind of cool. Yesterday
at the Coachman Licensed Beverage Room, yep, you've been there?
Ye okay, just once, Yeah, just mak it. I'm like, man,
this is actually fun to talk about and to think
about and to play that guessing game. And now to
see next week. I hope we're doing blue.
Speaker 1: Yes, fuck yeah.
Speaker 2: I am actually super pumped because yesterday at the Coachman
Licensed Beverage Room, I said, white is the purest color.
Ten years go, white looks like white today. They got sweepers,
they got the most efficient removal, they've got control and stacks.
But I was kind of wrong. They kind of had
a grow and now they have some combo. Yep, I
don't know my dink from my asshole. Maybe blues the
most pure color they had control and combo? Is that
what they have or do they have agro? Do they
have stacks? Like what are we gonna see in blue?
Speaker 1: Who can say?
Speaker 2: And that's not really a definitive thought of the day,
but it is a anticipatory thought of the day where
I'm like, man, I don't know what to expect anymore,
especially see the fucking order two times. What the fuck
is that even good?
Speaker 1: What are the odds he's not even good? And there
he is, fucking twice. He's lasted seven years in the
top ten. I guess he's good. And we don't know anything. Yeah,
we're just fuck jump, fucking idiots. And you know where
we're going to prove that we're stupid, Ryan when we
talk about the top ten then and now of Blue
on the next exciting episode of Coolmander Cook Count podcast
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