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Speaker 1: Hey, listening Clerical Podcast, Episode five thirty five. I'm Branda.

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I'm here with Ryan and they're gonna kick off the

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arc of Evolution Amy talking about Mono White now in

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our theme.

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Speaker 2: How do we sound? Did you adjust Brando's mike again?

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Speaker 1: Did do I sound okay? Dublin thumbs up? I like that.

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Do you want me to say the thing? Yeah? You

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know the thing? What is the thing? Hey? Ryan, We're

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back for yet another whirlwind adventure. How you doing good?

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Speaker 2: What is going down?

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Speaker 1: A whole bunch is going down. We've got a new

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super classic c CEO arc to start. We're gonna talk

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some Mono White cards today. We've got some places to go,

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some stories to tell, some people to thank. Before we

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get to any of that stuff, you have to thank

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our official business, Daddy's Fusion Gaming Online dot com. They

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are your source for all your gaming needs, where you

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can use extra special promo code CCO Nation to save

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five percent off all your cards, all your turtles, all

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your fallout dice board games, stickers, candy, massage, therapy, chiropractic adjustment,

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possible prostitution, and at least one kind of fresh cut flower.

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I will continue to add things to the menu until

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they ask me to stop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big thanks to Fusion Gaming Online dot Com actually

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just did a little bit of an update to their site,

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so if and their site has been a point of

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contention for them for quite a long time. Alas, Yeah,

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they have a new way to an easier way to

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check out using store credit where you don't have to

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copy your own promo code you.

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Speaker 1: Know, yes, yes, very important.

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Speaker 2: It's all handled at the account level and at the

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checkout level. So if you have store credit with them,

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like if you sold cards or traded cards in at

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a at a show or whatever, it's fricking easier now.

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And if you're using store credit to pay for your order,

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CCO Nation promo code still gonna get you a discount.

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Speaker 1: So if you're paying no real money, you can still

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pay less, not real money.

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Speaker 2: Pay real money, pay less, pay not real money, pay less.

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Speaker 1: You know what? I paid less for a bunch of

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pieces of my complete TMNT MTG collection. Whoa between the

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Dude bros And Fusion Gaming Online dot Com, I have

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actually acquired one hundred percent of the set, minus one card.

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Speaker 2: Nice one card.

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Speaker 1: It is Donatello mech Mutant or whatever they hell it.

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Speaker 2: Is Oh, yeah, that's an expensive one, right.

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Speaker 1: No, No, it's not the it's a dollar. It's a

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dollar rare that I'm so I'm missing a bulk dollar

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rare and alas it happens to be sold out everywhere,

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so I'm having a hard time acquiring one. So if

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you've got the one dollar Donatello, and you want your

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card to go into my one hundred complete TMNT collection

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sands the Kevin Eastman art guards. Ah, yeah, what you said,

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then let me know and I'll happily trade you either

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a Canadian dollar or a card worth two dollars for it.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine when when Fusion gets those back in

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stock and you save five percent.

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Speaker 1: Ninety five cent. I'll get it mailed to Maddie from

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the Spike feeders, then she can bring it to me

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next time we're to show together. Yeah, I'm shouting them

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out because they're going to they're going to Amsterdam, Amsterdam

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this year, and I'm mister Dan, I'm really excited for them.

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That's that's fucking cool, and I'm really glad that well,

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our friends are getting to take part in that.

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Speaker 2: Listen, listen here, you fucking hair. Yeah, I've got some business. Okay,

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I've got the first order of CEO podcasting business.

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Speaker 1: Is it thanking our ceo cuckchair guy at the dufferin

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Avenue Media Network Studio Network Network Studio Network, Noah sitting

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in the cuc chair Commander cuckout podcast. That's right. Come,

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we've never made that cho I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I've been here for like two years.

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Speaker 1: It took us five hundred and thirty five episodes to

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make that joke. But then we did. We got there,

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and you call it the commander, the commander cuckout chair,

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commander cookout chair, or the cc uck out chair, whatever

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you want to call it. It's very good and you

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can use that in your personal life too. There's no

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kink shaming in the nation.

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Speaker 2: No, of course, not not my first order of business,

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but I'm happy that it was the first order of business.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: The second order of business is getting NOA in the

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cuckchair to push play fucking set TV.

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Speaker 1: Thank you? No uh. Third order of business isle of bones, brewinko,

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hold on this thing to come out of Regina. You

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just wait.

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Speaker 2: Oh, second order of business. Third order after I cracked

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that beer is c CEO sleeve project. You'd see the

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playmat if you're watching on YouTube, but you should be.

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And why did I say sleeve project and then playmat

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tell me because we've got the Samuel L. Teffree playmat

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on Commander Cookout dot Com. Donation or gift only when

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you donate, and there's different denominations you can donate in.

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You're gonna get a bundle with the sleeve, replica stickers,

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You're gonna get all that in the mail right to

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your door. Your donation amount includes shipping, So when you

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see it's like fifty fifty Canadian dollars, oh my god,

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I'm not gonna pay that. It includes shipping. And you

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know what, Canada posted fucking me in my ass.

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Speaker 1: Ye, Canada posts whit we're gonna get. We can say

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that as we're Canadian.

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Speaker 2: So that was that was my order of business. And

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the the quantities of the playmats, and I'm not saying

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this because of like fomo marketing tactics or whatever, very

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extremely limited. I only have like, uh less than twenty remaining. Wow,

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So that's like not many. So if you're listening to

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Commander Cookout and you want a play at.

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Speaker 1: The first official Samuel L. Teffree playmat, possibly the last

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one ever produced ever.

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Speaker 2: Get over to commandercookout dot com, find a store, find

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where to donate. It's all there. All of the donations

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go to the CEO Sleeve project, which is us making

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Commander Cookout sleeves. Pretty self explanatory there. I don't know

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if I could have named it any simpler.

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Speaker 1: On the on the screen behind us, you could see

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two of the examples. But there's three sleeves, right.

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Speaker 2: There's gonna be three sleeves. The third one not quite done.

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Once the slide show goes through, you'll you Noah's Noah's

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gonna stop it on there, so you could you could

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see them if you pause the YouTube thing or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I'm very excited for the one that isn't shown

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because that was the one that was my idea.

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Speaker 2: Yes, very much so, and I'm I'm working on.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it was my idea. So it's the most

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work because I suck and I don't have a half

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to fuck and do it. Yeah, yeah, as we've been

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doing since what is my shirt twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: No, it's it's great though. I think that it looks great,

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and because you only come to my house in the summer.

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By the way, have you ever noticed.

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Speaker 1: That we ever invited me over in the winter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you never come. You never do Yeah, because

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I because you never come, I stopped doing it.

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Speaker 1: I'd come. No, I'm no, it's right now.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm whoa.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to drive your house right now. I have

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my truck out front. I'm gonna drive your I was

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trying to gaslight you too bad. Now you're stuck with me.

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I'm gonna sleep on a coach tonight.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate that hockey tournament tomorrow. You wanna come? Yeah,

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uh good, My parents are gonna be there.

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Speaker 1: I love your parents. Yeah, that's like later. That's a bonus.

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I like that a lot.

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Speaker 2: Gotta say big thanks to Pile of Bones now that

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their picture came up on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you'd see it if you're watching on YouTube, which

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you should be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually have on the table my two favorite

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Pile of Bones beers.

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Speaker 1: That would explain why they're both like light. They're not.

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Speaker 2: Neither of them are lights.

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Speaker 1: No, they're not lights, but they're like light in color.

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If you were to see them. They are white, ale

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yes and blonde.

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Speaker 2: We have the scarth Street blonde, which is a blonde

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logger five percent alcohol by volume. And then you have

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the raspb wheat ale, a well wheat ale withry hints

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of raspberry five percent alcohol by.

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Speaker 1: Volume ka raspberry juice.

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Speaker 2: These two motherfuckers slap and if you see them, because

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you live kind of in Western Canada where they distribute,

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get them, buy them, drink them all and say, hey man,

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these are really good. We should go get some more.

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Do that too. I don't know if I could be

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any more plane.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think you could be either. No, here's

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a thing, go get it. Yes, that's as.

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Speaker 2: Easy, very much, so, very much.

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Speaker 1: So, hold on, I go.

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Speaker 2: I go one more.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, I go one more.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to the Patreon supporters Patreon dot com, slash

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Coco podcast, go to Patron. All of the people in

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the discord, which of course is a Patreon benefit, got

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the soft launch, the softy early access to the Teffree playmat.

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That's why there's not very many left. There used to

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be more, but the patrons got a bunch of them

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because they got offered first. Because they're patrons.

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Speaker 1: Access to the merch early, you get access to the

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CEO experience. Yeah, and again you get access to one

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of the most interactive and best like if you want

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to make a friend on the internet to play magic

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with the CEO discorders where to do it?

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Speaker 2: Yes, very much so. And you know what, I am

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part of, part of donating to to the Sleeve project

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with the play mat and stuff when the because the

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Internet exists and I can collect all your.

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Speaker 1: Data and then we'll sell it to No, no, no,

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I won't no, no, never mind, you're not going to

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Speaker 2: No, because I have it though. When the sleeves come out,

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I'm going to email you with a discount code boom.

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And then not only do you get like a patron

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discount when you when you normally buy stuff, you also

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get a discount code because you donate to the play mat.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty freaking cool, pretty freaking cool.

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Speaker 2: That concludes podcast business.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about what we're going to talk about

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for the next do it five ish weeks do it so,

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And I'm not I'm not going to get too deep

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into the story, but I'm going to tell you what

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inspired the arc of evolution. I got somebody took the

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time to find me on my personal social media, not

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Ccio Brando, but my like me, just just me, and

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I don't use it very often. I do what well.

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I used to work in like the media, media, and

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one of the things that they told me once I

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became a character on the air was okay, you should

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probably have like you play them, because people will find

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you and they are interested in you, and things could

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go to shit.

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Speaker 2: My father in law heard you on the John Gormley

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Show one time and he's like, oh, yeah, I know

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that good. I know that guy.

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Speaker 1: Do you know. My mom's neighbor at the lake used

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to listen to me and Gary do our shows. I

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was actually his favorite segment. And I used to tell

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Gary's boss that all the time because he was the

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guy that used to try and keep me off the air.

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And I used to say, Yo, this guy loves me, so.

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Speaker 2: So you and produce a Gary or an inside job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like, And he used to do it because he

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knew people liked it. And I used to go on

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to because knew it made the boss mad. And that's

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and here we are both fired. It's awesome. Yeah, it's

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very strange. So I got an email to my personal

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social media accounts that said and it had a bunch

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of stuff in it that I'm not going to repeat

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because it was it was very rude. But whoa and

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this is like a magic person Yep, it's not somebody

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that I know. It's again, I'm not going to get

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too deep into it, but what they get was that

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It's ruined magic, It's destroyed the game. It's bringing in

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casuals that don't give a shit, it's making whales have

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the complaints, and I got to think, and it's like,

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you know what, like this guy can fuck off. But

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the the idea like, okay, look, let's let's have an objective. Look.

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gathering from pre Universes Beyond. That's a Korea and back yep,

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and a Korea and forward? What does what? What were

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people doing and playing and what were they?

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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this is a post Watsie supported Commander world, yes, versus

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after Universes Beyond started. And I know that Godzilla is

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a small corner case, so is Transformers. Yeah, it was

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very drip fed and now it's different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like also walking Dead and what else did

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maybe look at the format and just take a look,

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like how big of an impact has it really had?

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Speaker 2: You be for universes Beyond for everybody?

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Speaker 1: Have they been trashed and mutilated and nobody can play

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them anymore because Universe is Beyond so much better? Like

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is that a thing that's happening or not? And I

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thought like we could go through the Let's go through

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the five mono colors. We'll take a look at them.

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If people in the nation and the audience think that

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this is interesting. I'm working with dhreck dot com and

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they're they're analysts and I've heard those guys and they're

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they're helping me out, like do the do the data

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for all these things? So these things are quasi official.

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You ever met Matt Morgan, Yes, he's the one that's

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helping me. You ever met Dana Roach. Yes, he's the

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one that looked at me and I was like, what

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the hell's the matter with you? And we met him

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in Vegas the first time, and I was just saying

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all kinds of crazy shit because I placed on the

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top page of the Worldwide EDH Tournament that week. Dang

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oh that was good. Nor in the Wary Babies.

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Speaker 2: So you ever met Joey Schultz.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's one of my favorite content creators in the

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whole world. I made him c one time with my

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words because I told him how much I appreciated him.

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He touched my butt one time, he touched my heart

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one time. Whoa.

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Speaker 2: He's very like kung Fu style when he shoved his

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hand inside your chest and ripped out your beating heart.

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Speaker 1: He's a very nice I just like him. I really

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appreciate him, and I get excited every time I see

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him in real life because he's a good guy and

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I like to I like to see him.

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Speaker 2: That's the opposite of what you say about Max Grandell.

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Speaker 1: I know, right, it's top Okay, So we're gonna look

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at those and we're gonna take a look over the

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next couple of weeks, and if you guys are interested

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in what we're doing, we I do have the data

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coming for the ten two color pairs, and we could

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keep the arc of evolution going for another couple of months.

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If you guys are interested, yeah, just let us know

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in the comments below or sure at our social Ceio

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to hear more about this, because I I'm very after

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looking at one color, I looked at the data for

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one color, and I'm actually really interested to hear thoughts

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and look at the evolution of the of the format,

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slash play style and the color over the next little while.

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I peak behind the curtain, peak behind the curtain.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna lift up my curtain and show the internet.

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Speaker 1: Cool, very very bag button that you used to close

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your jacket.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so way back in the day, which was a

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Tuesday in twenty sixteen November, I says to Brando.

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Speaker 1: I says, we.

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Speaker 2: Should do this thing, and we should do a podcast,

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et cetera. And he says stats are the death of radio. Yep,

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fast forward d h rec literally a podcast based on stats,

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one of the biggest magic podcasts on the Internet. There's

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lots of history in between then and now, but I'm

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happy that that we can analyze a topic and get

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a lot of what I call topic penetration. Don't Google that.

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Speaker 1: Yet penetration baby and Google that work with our friends

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at DH wreck like we used to longtime Ceco National Lights.

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Speaker 2: Are gonna remember the the milk List, the DHREC milk List,

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which was the most commonly used cards in any color combination.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and today we're looking at white. Yeah, the odds

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are we're going to get back to that. Maybe. I

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don't know if we're gonna do it today because we

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don't have it prepared in front of us.

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, the milk List is saved on my laptop

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hard drive. I don't have it in my email anymore,

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which is what I have on my phone, which you

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totally can't see because there's totally real plants blocking it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so but again white, I feel like when we

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say what are the top ten cards? Played in white?

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And I tested this at DH and M last night.

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Speaker 2: Oh dude, and I talked about on the pre show yesterday.

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It was so fun to play the game, like what

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are the top cards?

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Speaker 1: And they hit nine of them without much help. There

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weren't very many wrong glasses. They there were. They were

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six for six and then they were nine for ten

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after thirteen guesses, Like, so you you know what the

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top one that the top ten cards are in white.

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But yeah, we're gonna do some commanders from pre universes

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beyond and then post universes beyond, and we're just gonna

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let's see, let's see if like how it's changed, because

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I would say during twenty twenty we.

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Speaker 2: Had here, Okay, hold on a second, Okay, we talked

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about not doing any predictions or preconceived notions and just

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looking at the data. But are you are you gonna

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hit me with.

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Speaker 1: Some No, I'm gonna let's let's just let's just see.

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Let's just see. Let we're just gonna on it. Let's

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just see. Let's see how often you be just blows

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somebody out of the water. Is there a UB card

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that's gonna unseed Trasa? Is there a UB card that's

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gonna dethrone Cranco and Mono Red. We're gonna, we're gonna,

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We're gonna answer those questions in the next three weeks. Now,

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Cranco is by far and away, no, not even close

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on attainably the most popular Red commander.

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Speaker 2: Is this confirmed? Like you edh reck that ship?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Whoa Yeah, nobody fucks with Cranco period.

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Speaker 2: I'm rubbing off on Brando. He used to never go

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to Eda Trek. Now he does all the time.

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Speaker 1: Now, well now I do. Like for the last week,

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I feel very confident.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's rubbing off on Cranco.

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Speaker 1: I know, as they should, because he's he is the

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best Mono Red command.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cranco is tapping and shooting some fucking knuckle children off.

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Speaker 1: That, well said, Well said my guy.

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Speaker 2: This, okay, is why we're not guest set magic. Yeah, okay,

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So I'm going to turn on the first graphic.

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Speaker 1: Now this is important. So this is a cloud then

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because white is big and poofy and it's a dream.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: So then this is then this is we're thinking back.

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Speaker 2: Oh then versus now, then versus now? Back then?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, back then, these should have said back then,

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these were the top ten. I'm ready, manders in Mono White.

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Let's let's hit them, Ryan, Let's let's let's do the

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first one. This is number ten of the top ten.

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Number ten.

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Speaker 2: Yep, this is number ten.

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Speaker 1: These are based and again, like I should say this,

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and I'll say this to each episode. The dhreck dot

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Com does not keep data past two years. So the

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guys I've been working with kind of We've done some

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some finagling and some like looking back. We use the

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wayback machine with a whole bunch of Internet stuff to

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try and find the data we're looking for because it's

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really specific. But this is the approximate top ten pre

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twenty twenty, which is both.

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Speaker 2: The uh, we're gonna treat it as the real top ten.

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Speaker 1: It's ub and and and and it's also when Commander

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became the most social format because of VDH and all

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that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So there's lots of

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big Yes, there's lots of big changes that happened in

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between nineteen and today.

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Speaker 2: I'll do you one better the thing, I'll do you

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one better if you like stats and if you like history.

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Two things. First, check out MTG Commander History. Me and

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Mac did some podcasts on the history of Commander. Well done,

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go fucking listen. Yep, it's it's actually a really good podcast.

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But Mac got a new job and he got really busy.

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Speaker 1: What a dink. Yeah, I know what that feels like.

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Now you're a dink too. Yes, I should get a

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new job. No, I should. And I like what I'm

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doing now. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I'm happy where I am.

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I hope that I get to stay here. Second thing.

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Speaker 2: Second thing, if you like data and want dh reck

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to have more of it, jump on their patron's I

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don't know, click on some ads on their website because

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they probably get more money from that. Arcadect dot com yep,

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same group of people. Join their patron too. They make

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some good shit. We used to trash talk architect all

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the time, but pretty good product. Their eachreck, pretty good product.

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Change the fucking way magic is played, like guaranteed it did.

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Wats he can't say that, but d h rec global

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resource for many people, and Watse sees people like this.

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People play this, people like that. Let's make more of

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that shit pretty good So if you like them, give

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them some of your money. I don't know anyways, let's

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go to the cards. First card, this number ten.

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Speaker 1: Number ten, twenty nineteen, top command.

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Speaker 2: And let's go. There are some people people are.

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Speaker 1: The first one is from twenty twenty Manara the Diplomat Human.

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Speaker 2: Cleric for four two four lifelink like that when opponent

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attacks with creatures.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, uh.

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Speaker 2: If two or more of those creatures attacking you and

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or planes walkers, you control draw card. Okay, so if

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I'm getting beat up by two guys, draw card. Whenever

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an opponent casts their second spell each turn, draw card.

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This is kind of like trouble in Pairs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of essentially. Yeah, and it's on a dude.

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They can go in your command zone. It's at the time.

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I don't know if there was a better mono white

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card draw engine in Commander.

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Speaker 2: No, well, and look at Trouble in Pairs. Yeah, it's

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it's de facto. I remember yesterday at the Coachman Licensed

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Beverage room when we were guessing. We guessed Trouble in

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Pairs top ten white cards in Commander.

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Speaker 1: The first myths was that for the record.

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Speaker 2: But it's probably card eleven, Like we probably weren't that

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far off. That card fucking slacks real good. And it

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just got a reprint, so even more people are gonna

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play it.

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Speaker 1: So in Ninjus rules you can get one without stolen air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is a dude that's trouble in Pairs.

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Could we call that dude in Pairs?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? Do not google that. No, google that away. Google away, man, Okay,

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google away.

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Speaker 2: Let's do everything you want to do.

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Speaker 1: That's the least harmful google you could ever make based

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on ma Guard of the Diplomat.

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Speaker 2: Draw engine in the command zone has lifelink is a

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human cleric, which probably matters.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that he was the like the the

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build around guy, but he was a very solid engine

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in the commands. So you could basically do any engine

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in the commandsle and you got some draw in the

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zone and some life game two and a fairly decent blocker.

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A two four and twenty nineteen could block most cold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You could see this guy in in.

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Speaker 1: I'll say, pillowfort decks.

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Speaker 2: You could see this guy in like tap out attack decks.

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Like he just kind of was a fine engine. I'll

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call him a value engine because he's more of like

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a defensive engine than an offensive engine. Forget the word

467
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:49,839
value offense versus defense. Yes, this guy's going to be

468
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:52,480
a defensive engine. Yeah, yes, this is this is good

469
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:53,200
a good card.

470
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, solid car gets.

471
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,559
Speaker 2: Played, Okay, So let's defensive engine four drop two forward lifelink.

472
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, the draws cards based on other things people are doing.

473
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:07,759
Speaker 2: Okay, Next one Thalia heretic Cathar.

474
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a three to two with first strike for

475
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,160
white two creatures and non basic lands or opponent's control

476
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,880
enter the battlefield tapped. This is a mono white Stax

477
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,200
Commander all day long.

478
00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: Interesting that both of these cards were pre released promos.

479
00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:30,279
Speaker 1: Most of them were spoiler alert most of the cards

480
00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:32,039
that we're going to show in the top ten here,

481
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,119
And I mean a point to do this, and I

482
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,839
found the arts have the date stamp on them.

483
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:41,519
Speaker 2: No way. Interesting that both of them are humans. Yep,

484
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,160
that's a non negligible piece of information.

485
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:44,839
Speaker 1: Correct.

486
00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: They both cost less than five also correct? Remember the

487
00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:54,119
day when Commander's costing six and seven was like normal,

488
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:56,920
especially in more than one color.

489
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: And keep that in mind as we go through this cast,

490
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,480
even for back in the day.

491
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,039
Speaker 2: In there one ability ye sorry, one key.

492
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: One keyword and one ability yeah.

493
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: One French vanilla thing first strike last one head lifelink.

494
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,000
This is creatures and non basic land geer upon conc

495
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,920
battlefield tap. This is a defensive stat again, let's call it.

496
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: Yep, and.

497
00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: Two data points don't make a trend, Nope. But we're

498
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,079
playing Model White and we saw the same type of

499
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:35,960
stat twice, yes, the same quality of stat defense yes twice?

500
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: Yes?

501
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, let's see uh this this would be number.

502
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: This would be number eight. Yeah, eight on the list.

503
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

504
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,839
Speaker 1: Abson Angel of Hope. That's a white white white five

505
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,160
for an eight eight flying vigilance, indestructible, other permanence you

506
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,200
control have indestructible. The art that we're showing on YouTube,

507
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,720
which you could see if you're watching, which you should be.

508
00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:03,039
I just this was so cool. I had to.

509
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: I had to. Yeah, this is the movie poster, right, Yeah.

510
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:07,759
Speaker 1: It was so neat.

511
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,079
Speaker 2: And everybody knows that I like the contrast between the

512
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:15,000
orange and the blue. Hey, orange and blue exist on

513
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,519
places on the color wheel where you shouldn't like to

514
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:24,559
see them together, but I do. I do like blue

515
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:26,960
and orange. Maybe I'm maybe I'm the bad guy.

516
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: But if you're good at art, you can make it

517
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,279
so that.

518
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,279
Speaker 2: It wholl absolutely happens. When you learn all the rules,

519
00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:33,359
you can break them. You can break the rules for

520
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:35,359
effect like drama, right.

521
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: Correct, And so I mean we all kind of get

522
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,400
where this is going. It's a high end white commander

523
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,480
that tells you shit indestructible. Of course people are going

524
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:45,119
to play it, of course they are. You know.

525
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: My favorite part of this card being on the list

526
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,519
so far is tell me it bucks the trend does it.

527
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:57,359
It doesn't create a pattern. This is a high man

528
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:04,480
of cost, high power and toughness, flying, vigilance, indestructible, offensive

529
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,440
and defensive, fucking powerhouse.

530
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: I would suggest most people play avison for defense. I

531
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,279
will I'll bet you not many people play avison to

532
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:20,839
say I'm gonna swing for eight. Nobody says that.

533
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,079
Speaker 2: But you can swing for eight with impunity. So as

534
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,200
soon as they're not a nube anymore and don't want

535
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,519
to say, oh, I gotta leave blockers up, they're gonna

536
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:31,839
hit you for eight with their Avison. Who's flying and

537
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,279
vigilance and in destructle she got, of.

538
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: Course, but i'll bet you she goes into I'll bet

539
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,759
you eighty five percent decks avison goes into is she's

540
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:43,759
protecting the rest of her the deck. I'll bet you

541
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:44,079
she is.

542
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: I'll bet you all your lambs.

543
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: So you can play Armageddon, yeah, which leads right into

544
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,880
what I'm saying. Correct. I think.

545
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: So arm getting a defensive or an offensive play. It's

546
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,440
a defensive play.

547
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:06,799
Speaker 1: It's an offensive play unless you have a that's offensive.

548
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: Armageddon is a defensive play because that's like it's a

549
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,440
classic control play. In less Avison's your commander, then it's

550
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,519
one hundred offensive play. Yes, because I still have all

551
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:22,400
my lands and I can press my advantage. I can

552
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,440
smother you. I can sit on your face until you

553
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:27,599
stop moving right.

554
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: And some people want that, some people don't.

555
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody doesn't want that, it's just

556
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:38,240
who who? Who do they want to sit on their face? Averson?

557
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,200
I'm okay. If Averson sits on my face.

558
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. She's a little bit,

559
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:43,960
a little, little little too small for me.

560
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:46,519
Speaker 2: She's an eight eight bro.

561
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, but only in the stats, not in the not

562
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,039
in the body, not in the thick, in the three c's.

563
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:57,960
I don't wanna. I don't wanna. I don't wanna body

564
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:58,640
shame anybody.

565
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, No, if you want your face to be

566
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,920
sad on, you want to feel pressure everywhere.

567
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: And like that kind of warm, soft like pillowiness. It

568
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:08,799
kind of wraps around you. That's what I like.

569
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, sweet embrace of getting all your lands destroyed, that's

570
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,279
what we're talking about.

571
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: Yes, of sexiness and death of the land.

572
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: Of the lend Yes, yes, yes, continue, Yeah, okay, bucks,

573
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:27,880
the trend is what I'm saying. Yes, okay, six right Darien,

574
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:30,440
King of Keldor.

575
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,839
Speaker 1: This is a three three for white white four another human.

576
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:36,400
He's a lord. Also, whenever damage is dealt to you

577
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,400
put that many white one one soldiers into play. Tookens.

578
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,039
Speaker 2: This one's hard to read, so I'm I'm drawing from

579
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:45,640
experience when I've seen.

580
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,359
Speaker 1: This first one for the record that didn't have a

581
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,839
date stamped card. This is the first one on the

582
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,480
list that from you couldn't have old.

583
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: Snap Old Snap, which was the completion of the ice

584
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:57,799
age block.

585
00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, this is a defensive card.

586
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: Also, I think so.

587
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:08,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like five columna when angel Aaron plays this,

588
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,200
Smitty does too today and the whole deck is based

589
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:15,920
on hurting himself to make dudes while.

590
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: Like sits on his own face, making you not.

591
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: Want to attack him because it's going to make his

592
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,039
deck do better. Oh if you hit me for ten,

593
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:28,519
I'm just gonna make ten guys and gain ten life back. Yes, right,

594
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,160
like that's what this little Yes, yes, so this is

595
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:39,799
clearly another very powerful defensive mono White Commander.

596
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so we could use this as a data point

597
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:47,160
to say, hey, we're kind of holding the line. We're

598
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:56,519
we're continuing in this direction. Yes, defensive, sort of do

599
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,720
what you want to us, but we're going to gain

600
00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:02,720
an advantage from it as to make you not want

601
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,279
to do it. We're not going to really stop you

602
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:07,720
from doing it, but if you do, we're going to

603
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:08,839
gain an advantage.

604
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: So you don't want to Correct, you don't want to

605
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:11,519
do it.

606
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, Audric Lunarc Marshall, there's the date stamp.

607
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,400
This is a human soldier.

608
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,279
Speaker 1: Correct, this is another damn human another.

609
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,039
Speaker 2: Three three for four, which is not only similar in

610
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:32,680
stats to other spells. We've seen Formana three three, not

611
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,440
necessarily Formana three threes, but Formana and three three. We've

612
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:42,920
both seen those things human. We've seen that, so lots

613
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,559
of similarities. There is at the beginning of combat, each

614
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,880
creature you control gains first strike until end of turn.

615
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,079
If a creature you control has first strike. The same

616
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:57,400
is true for flying Death, Touch, double strike, Hayes, text Proof, Indestructible, Lifelinke, Menace, Reach, Skulk,

617
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,359
very Important, Trample, and vig.

618
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,039
Speaker 1: Yes.

619
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: I'm drawing on my experience in Commander since twenty sixteen,

620
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,680
which is ten years ago, by the way, fuck very strange.

621
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't I actually, and I can say, and I

622
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,640
think you're gonna say the same thing. I've never seen

623
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,119
an Odrich Luminark Marshall deck, not one time.

624
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: I've certainly seen him in the ninety.

625
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: Nine, absolutely honest, I've never seen him in the zone.

626
00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:27,759
So this one, I can see it. People play this,

627
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,519
I believe it.

628
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,759
Speaker 2: But it's keyword dot deck, right, Yes, it's keyword dot deck.

629
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,160
And whether he's this is a value engine and this

630
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:45,480
card is an offensive superpower. This card is sideways. Everything

631
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:50,440
else in the deck also sideways. I say sideways. What

632
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,599
I mean is attacking because everything has fucking vigilance in

633
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,960
this deck. Yeah, because this guy is in Avison's deck

634
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:02,880
or vice versa, and everything else has every ability. Zatalpa

635
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,680
comes to mind. The I wonder if on the list

636
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:11,440
a chroma, oh ga chroma. Yeah, white superpower creatures come

637
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,000
to mind. When this card is in.

638
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: Front of me.

639
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: It doesn't scream commander though.

640
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: You're right, Yeah, it's very strange, but I can see

641
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,719
it happening like this can certainly be a very cool

642
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,280
value deck. And it would be. Again, if I was

643
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,960
going to say are you're building order? Like what a

644
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,360
waste of a commands owe, That's what I'd say, But

645
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,480
I could see why people would do it. I got

646
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:38,280
something to say here.

647
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: I just thought of I just freaking thought of this.

648
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: Are we going to see.

649
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,519
Speaker 2: Just these like generic value bullshit commanders because White didn't

650
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,159
have anything that was better? Like so far, so far,

651
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,159
we've seen a defensive value commander, we've seen a stack

652
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,679
light defensive value commander. We've seen a fucking powerhouse in Avison.

653
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,440
She bucked the trend. And then we saw what did

654
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,960
we see? We saw freakin' Darien, which, sure he can

655
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:17,639
lead your he could lead your your soldier deck, your

656
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,280
your soldier deck or your soul warden deck. Sure, but

657
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,480
so could anybody else. And probably they have more than

658
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:27,719
one color. They're gonna do it better. And then we

659
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,519
see this guy who's like a build around better in

660
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:35,639
the ninety nine, but he provides value when all your

661
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:39,639
creatures have all your abilities. Yeah, Like this guy isn't

662
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,880
screaming powerhouse at me. Everything else in my deck that's

663
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,360
a powerhouse makes all my other cards better. Like when

664
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,119
I put Za Talpa and Avison in the same deck,

665
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,159
Za Talpa no am I saying the right name, the

666
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,360
right one, Za, Talpa and Avison. Those guys are who

667
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:04,280
I want to draw and cast and attack with, not Oddric.

668
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,400
And I know I don't have to attack with him.

669
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,639
It's at the beginning of each combat. I know he

670
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:12,199
doesn't have to attack. But I sure fuck would rather

671
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,119
play Avison than this guy.

672
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah's and he ranked above her, directly above her almost

673
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,320
yeah yeah in crazy Yeah.

674
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,079
Speaker 2: All right, Well let's let's see the trend. The trend

675
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:28,719
that we're trying to build is becoming more obtuse. And

676
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,280
that's actually the opposite of what I thought we'd see.

677
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: And honestly, I know a couple of the top ones,

678
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,920
and I think you might be surprised by some of

679
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,920
the top ones. I'm not. I won't. I'm not gonna

680
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:43,679
fuck around. I'm not gonna do it. Eli og once again,

681
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,679
O g Elish watching on YouTube, which you will see

682
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:50,239
that I'm using the art of her wearing a cowboy

683
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,199
as a cowboy hat because that's my favorite thing in

684
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,320
the world. Of all of the cards that I could own,

685
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,800
this is the one that I regret not the most,

686
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,000
because it's just it's a cowboy hat. Falling off of

687
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,519
a cowboy that's being worn as a cowboy hat, and

688
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:09,599
I want one so bad.

689
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:15,159
Speaker 2: I'm happy just knowing it's a cowboy hat. Yes, oh fuck,

690
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,039
that's great.

691
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,559
Speaker 1: And she's a four to seven for white white five

692
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:21,519
with VIDG. Other creatures you control get plus two plus two.

693
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,480
Other creatures your opponent's control get minus two minus two.

694
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:29,440
I think that this is a strictly very understandable. Why

695
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:31,199
is it in the commands zone card?

696
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: I agree?

697
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: The answer is yea.

698
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: I agree, and would add when was the last time

699
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,119
you saw Elli Schnorn one point zero in the command zone?

700
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:45,119
Speaker 1: Years ago? Yeah?

701
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: It was long never never. Who nobody puts his in

702
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,599
the command zone?

703
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: Nobody I can think of, like twice and again, as

704
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,880
per the thing of the show, both of them were

705
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:56,920
before twenty twenty.

706
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: Yes, this isn't a card that's become outclass. This is

707
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,280
a card that's become out commanded. Commanderness is tied to

708
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,159
a card and an effect and a thing that you

709
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,679
want to do, and this card isn't doing it anymore.

710
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,159
That's not to say this card isn't doing it, but

711
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,039
this card ain't doing commanderness.

712
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: Because it's it's doing it still this card is this.

713
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: Card drops and you fucking lose, and you lose because

714
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,920
their creatures get big or your creatures get small and

715
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,960
you've got no blocks.

716
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: This card will fuck you up.

717
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: And the card is great as a commander. I don't

718
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,880
think this card's that good. It's seven manna. First of all,

719
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,119
it only attacks her four. It doesn't got double strike,

720
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:46,159
so it's not an eight seven. It's a four to

721
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:48,960
seven with VID so it always blocks. That's great, But

722
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:51,719
do I want to block when all my guys get

723
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,320
plus two plus two, I want to attack, and I

724
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,400
know it's other creatures get plus two, she can block.

725
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,199
She got seven power. Like that's good. Like I understand

726
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,599
this card from every angle you could make an argument

727
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,079
about it from. I've played it. I've played against it.

728
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:11,119
I've played against it in the command zone. I've seen

729
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,239
it be reanimated. I've seen it be tutored for right

730
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,320
into play. Like, I've seen all the things this card

731
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,639
can do. Because there's only so many things that can do.

732
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,760
It's a Frectionian prayer. I don't know if we mentioned that,

733
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,880
but I've seen all of those creature types are relevant.

734
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,079
Speaker 1: I've seen it to play off of a defense of

735
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,199
the heart along with the massacre worm. And I've seen

736
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,920
that because I did it. That's pretty cool. You should.

737
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,679
Speaker 2: It wasn't Alex and he was killing you.

738
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: No, that was me and I was killing him.

739
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,079
Speaker 2: Oh that's good. I like that part of the story.

740
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: Man, great card. It's crazy.

741
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,079
Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to think that what we're saying

742
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,360
is is to mean that these cards aren't good.

743
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:52,599
Speaker 1: It messes me up to think, Yeah, this isn't good

744
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:57,519
enough as a commander anymore. What the lot that is?

745
00:39:57,679 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: That is a phrase that you can utter in a vacuum,

746
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:07,960
and you're right, but you're also wrong because this card

747
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,679
in commander is good, and this card in your command

748
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,840
zone is good, fantastic, but it isn't doing the thing

749
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:20,800
that commanders do anymore. It isn't providing your your deck

750
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,639
value and multiple instances of value, turnover, turn, multiple instances

751
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:35,199
of value on everybody's turn. And while very powerful top end,

752
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:41,000
it isn't probably the most powerful thing you can do

753
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:44,800
in Mono white from the command zone. Therefore, it's not

754
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:48,039
good enough, which is crazy, which is what you said

755
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,280
like a minute ago, which is wild.

756
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, said the next one, Ryan.

757
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:58,559
Speaker 2: Super actually super good discussion and kind of this is

758
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:02,079
the one where I think people are going to say like, oh, yeah,

759
00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:06,360
it's it's whatever, blah blah blah, fuck off, or people

760
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,840
are still gonna be jerking off over Elis Norn because yeah,

761
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:11,519
because she's so powerful.

762
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of sexy with a fun hat. Yeah,

763
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,239
dead guy. Yeah.

764
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: Oh the other hat, we'll both hats are yeah, Bayalen

765
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,920
wandering Night. This one blows my mind.

766
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,559
Speaker 1: How do you like this? Grot there? Cat Night three

767
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,320
three for White White two with first strike has doubling,

768
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:38,960
has doubling strike has double strike as long as two

769
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:44,119
or more equipments are attached to it. White one, attach

770
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:47,559
all equipment you control to him.

771
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: You know what, Aiden, you know what? F you Aiden

772
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,199
told me at the Coachman Licensed Beverage room last night.

773
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,519
Tell me he says Voltron's dead.

774
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: Yep, I remember hearing that. I heard that. That conversation

775
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:01,480
is real.

776
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: Took you a minute, but yeah, uh that's another one.

777
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,760
Let us know in the comments as Voltron dead, that's

778
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,239
going to be a diversity of opinion.

779
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: I agree.

780
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: I think that fifty five to sixty percent of people

781
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,239
are going to say yes, and the forty to forty

782
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,199
five percent of people that say no are the people

783
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,519
that have recency bias and say the people night, I

784
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:26,880
just got fucked, I just got oh no, right.

785
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: Final Fantasy cloud as all the equipment.

786
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I still play Baalen. Yeah. Cat

787
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,920
Night not not on trend, not a human.

788
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: And certainly not as good. This came in the Cat

789
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:47,360
Commander deck from twenty seventeen. Yep, and like the Cat

790
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:51,159
deck didn't quite exist yet, and we talked about that

791
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,880
way back in the damn Comentical Cat. Yeah, but this

792
00:42:54,079 --> 00:43:00,639
was a very good voltron commander at the time, and

793
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:03,320
you can see back then, with all the swords and

794
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,800
all the super sweet equipment that was being printed at

795
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,679
the time, you could beat somebody to full scale death

796
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:10,840
with this real quick.

797
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get everybody in there, everybody who's listening or

798
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,760
watching is I'm gonna try and paint a picture. Okay, Okay,

799
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,679
you've got a scale. You're sitting in the middle of

800
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,280
this slider. It goes to positive ten and negative ten.

801
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,639
You're sitting in the middle of it. Okay, the middle

802
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:32,519
of it is where white exists on the Commander top

803
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:36,320
ten scale. Deal at the start of our list, we

804
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:44,480
were hedging toward the aggro defensive value YEP side of

805
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:47,440
the scale. If we were Avison kind of bucked the

806
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,920
trend YEP. We saw a couple more things defensive or offensive,

807
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,840
so they zero out. Then we see a couple in

808
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,119
a row where it's like, oh, man, actually, White's talking

809
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:02,840
about equipments. White's talking about double strike. White's talking about

810
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,880
guys getting more abilities, and abilities are useful when you attack,

811
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,360
is it? Are we going to continue to see the

812
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,719
shift towards the agro side and White?

813
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: Maybe we will.

814
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: Are we going to see that is white?

815
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,519
Speaker 1: Weeny? Real? Let's see? Well it is to me, Well, yeah,

816
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:22,920
that's just because of who we are. Yeah, you you

817
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:23,599
can't help.

818
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,599
Speaker 2: It, can't help it, that's right. I've even used a stretcher,

819
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,639
not not for laying on, but for stretching.

820
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's in the next car pulleys and WA's mechanics brow.

821
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: More mechanics than Audric didn't help.

822
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:47,559
Speaker 1: Oh, well done, well done, nicely, said Sam oh Man.

823
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,079
My buddy Shram, I'm playing this card two to two

824
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,679
for two to one White. Whenever you cast an aura

825
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,559
equipment or vehicle draw card. Yeah, didn't read his screature types.

826
00:44:56,599 --> 00:45:02,440
I see he's a Dwarf Advisor advisor, our first advisor

827
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:03,000
on the list.

828
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: This is another date stamp card. I play this card

829
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,599
on my vehicle deck in the ninety nine. I shouldn't wait,

830
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:13,840
should add, should add whenever you cast an aura or

831
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:20,639
equipment Now, in aura and equipment decks, those decks auras specifically,

832
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:24,400
not enchantments. I'm not talking enchantress. I'm talking auras. You

833
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:31,320
play auras that pump, yes, even mono white pump or remove, yes,

834
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,519
But I would posit that the removal auras are more

835
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:38,440
of a modern day thing, fair point. And I know

836
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:43,760
Pacifism and faith, Faith's fetters and prison terms, those all exist,

837
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,079
and people play those in Commander of old and draw

838
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:48,079
cards off there. Enchantresses shit like.

839
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: I know that. But my auras in white are like

840
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:51,880
all that.

841
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: Glitters, yes, and I'm gonna pound your whole fucking face in,

842
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,920
And my equipment usually play equipment to pump power and

843
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,440
deal some damage, yeah right, and give double strike and

844
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,679
ship right yep. So on that scale we are moving

845
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,440
towards the agro side still yep.

846
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: We're going from defense to offense as we go over

847
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:13,239
the top.

848
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: Is his number three or two? I don't I don't

849
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,360
think we're going.

850
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:19,079
Speaker 1: I'm looking at no.

851
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:19,199
Speaker 2: One.

852
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't think. I don't think no one knows.

853
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,760
Let's just keep going. Let's go to the next one. Sram.

854
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,159
Very we can see why he's there. He's another engine

855
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,639
in the in the command zone. It comes very important.

856
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: Were before we go to the next one. Were Sram

857
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:34,840
decks that you played against? Were those Vultron decks or

858
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,079
were those just equipment decks?

859
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: Just equipment decks. They weren't trying to like they were.

860
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,599
They were Vultron decks, but they weren't necessarily trying to

861
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:48,000
win with SRAM. They were winning with whatever the they had.

862
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:53,280
I remember the the the U from Zenda car. It's

863
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,960
a one to one for white that had double strike

864
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,159
as long as it was equipped.

865
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,639
Speaker 2: I remember, yeah, I remember that, Yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah,

866
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:05,320
And it was like, man, getting to twenty double strike

867
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,039
on my regular guy, just as easy as getting to

868
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,559
ten double strike on Scram, yeah, or eleven double strike,

869
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:15,519
because you could play shit that gives plus one, that's

870
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:18,559
an aura plus one for each planes you control, then

871
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:21,480
give them double strike, then give them you know plus

872
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:25,119
six plus six and indestructible and then hit you for forty. Yeah,

873
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,679
and that was just as easy as eleven eleven scram Yes. Interesting,

874
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:31,440
super interesting.

875
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,119
Speaker 1: Now this one, oh, this one is a weird data point.

876
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,679
I like this one specifically because our buddy Lenny of

877
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,840
Lenny and Steven fame. This was his like big pet

878
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:46,679
deck back.

879
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: And there's a combo deck.

880
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was his dirty, rotten, stinking, fucking combo deck.

881
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 2: And I would I would, I would pause it that

882
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,079
it's Ashar. Everybody knows it's a combo deck now, yeah,

883
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,639
Like if you sit down and play against Ashar, there's

884
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:02,679
a lot of zero drop artifacts in there, so I'll

885
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:04,000
give it a read. It's a two to two bird

886
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,760
cleric for four another four man of flyer. Whenever you

887
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,280
cast a historic spell that is an artifact, enchantment or

888
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:18,159
saga No, sorry, an artifact saga or legendary Yes, okay,

889
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:22,760
return target creature card with man of value three or

890
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:23,800
less from your.

891
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: G to the battlefield. Very good.

892
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: So if I could cast a zero drop artifact and

893
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,960
sacrifice it, I could get a three or less back

894
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,800
to the battlefield.

895
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:36,199
Speaker 1: Yep.

896
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: If I could sacrifice it, I could get something down,

897
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,360
like you could make these loops, I know, you get

898
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,760
it back to the battlefield. That's not casting.

899
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: It's lots of junk.

900
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 2: Junk Diver and Mere Retriever and Ornithopter and Memnite and

901
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:56,320
combo pieces galore that you would want to flip back

902
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,920
and forth from graveyard to battlefield. You get incremental draw

903
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,679
cards when they etb and.

904
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: Demolish motherfuckers with Yeah.

905
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:08,679
Speaker 2: This is wild.

906
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,039
Speaker 1: There's lots our first combo commander, this.

907
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: Is our first combo commander, and they would play all

908
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:19,119
of the like before before CEDH existed and Rule zero

909
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,320
and the bracket matchmaking system. You would put all the

910
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,000
fast man out that White could put into decks yep,

911
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,159
and you would get those things back. Lion's Eye diamond

912
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,320
goes into this deck because you discard your hand and

913
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:36,559
get three and then you play something and if that's

914
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:39,760
something that you played was historic, you immediately get your

915
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,079
Lion's Eye diamond back, right Like this was a combo

916
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:50,559
master class man, and I would I would put combo

917
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:56,000
decks into the offensive category, yes, and I used offensive

918
00:49:56,119 --> 00:50:05,639
and defensive specifically that language instead of combo control agro. Yeah,

919
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,679
if we could if we could say combo, control, agro.

920
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,519
Those are three separate archetypes. Well, agro and combo are

921
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,480
offensive things. They're proactive things. I'm trying to come at you. Yes,

922
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,800
defense is the opposite of that. I'm trying to defend

923
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,480
and pick my time. Blah blah blah. The lines get

924
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,400
blurred when my defensive deck, like my control deck, combo's

925
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,519
out to win. It flips right. So that's why there's

926
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,760
three different archetypes there instead of just offensive and defensive.

927
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:40,880
But for purposes of this discussion offense or defense to

928
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,599
kind of parse the difference between types of commanders, we

929
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:48,920
see and this is an offensive one again. It pushes

930
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,280
that slider towards the offense side.

931
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: Offense side from Monto White. What the fuck?

932
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,199
Speaker 2: Sorry, I just purped into the mic. Sorry, sorry, Penon

933
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:03,519
Oh up on there too. Yep, yeah, yep, interesting working hard.

934
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:05,639
That's actually that's actually kind of elish.

935
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:08,559
Speaker 1: Norman also would have had one, Yeah, and so the

936
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:10,480
other one I got a weird art for. They all

937
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:11,199
had date stamps.

938
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the rest of it, just just we've got

939
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:14,320
to be getting close.

940
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,159
Speaker 1: This internal catcher. This one blows my mind.

941
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: Have ever you ever played against God Eternal Kettra.

942
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:27,559
Speaker 1: Yes, Alex has it. I built it in arena back

943
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:32,159
in the day. What's that number one?

944
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,079
Speaker 2: Oh? This is number one.

945
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: This feno was paying attention. This is the he wasn't

946
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,199
just in the CCP chair. This is the number one

947
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,000
commander in Mono White from twenty nineteen. Got Eternal Culture

948
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:47,039
is a three six double striker for white White three.

949
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,000
Whenever you cast a creature spelled make a four to

950
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,760
four black zombie warrior token with vigilance, and when it

951
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,440
eats shit three from the top right, you put it

952
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,159
three from the top and you play it again.

953
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna highlight a couple things that I've seen. It's

954
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:04,840
five mana, which puts it kind of in the middle.

955
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,400
We've seen some higher cost and a bunch of lower cost.

956
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,599
Puts it kind of one ability word and then an

957
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:18,039
ability yep, kind of two abilities, but only one counts

958
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:21,760
more toughness than it has power, which makes you think, oh,

959
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,440
it's defensive, but it's got double strike, so related taxes

960
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,119
a six six. It's a sixty six, which is great

961
00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:29,400
as six to six for five. Like let's go yo.

962
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,199
Speaker 1: If it was a six to six with double strike

963
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,280
for five, what is that a fucking universe beyond card?

964
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: Whenever you cast a creature spell, create a four to

965
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:44,159
four black zombie warrior creature chuckling with viage ah aggro

966
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:53,119
all day combo. Both of those archetypes fit into offense. Yes,

967
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,559
I think mono white was an offensive color.

968
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: I can cur.

969
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: But it's it's not. If you asked one hundred people

970
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,880
based on these ten cards, I don't think it would

971
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,360
be so conclusive. I think you'd probably get like sixty

972
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,360
to seventy percent of people saying, what we're saying, offensive color,

973
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,440
and then you'd get thirty to forty percent of people saying, no,

974
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,360
it's it's a defense because of all of these reasons.

975
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,320
Look at the high toughnesses, look at how much you

976
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,400
know defense, look at how much blah blah.

977
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah. I agree with you. Interesting, Yes,

978
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,480
So that's that's the that's the twenty nineteen top ten,

979
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:38,480
and we're gonna hit the uh the current this.

980
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,039
Speaker 2: Is if you go I hit the if I hit

981
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:41,400
for it is going to say now.

982
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: It is and I had to when I when I

983
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:48,639
made the graphic, I felt that it kind of looked

984
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,760
like a white splatter on the screen, so I had

985
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,760
to make sure that you knew it wasn't come.

986
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: Ah, thanks for that.

987
00:53:56,519 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: You're you're welcome. So these are the top ten And

988
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,679
if you go to dy h as you listen to

989
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,480
this episode based on some of the numbers, I'll bet

990
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:06,559
you that it's gonna be the same ten cards. If

991
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:10,000
you're listening to this in the year of twenty twenty six,

992
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,519
none of these are gonna change. Oh it's like that,

993
00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:16,440
it's that far ahead.

994
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So first one, this is number ten of Now.

995
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:22,400
This is number ten of now.

996
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 3: Okay, Felia, we'ren't expecting that, or yeah.

997
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:34,159
Speaker 1: Felia exuberant shepherd. And you're gonna notice there's lots of

998
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:36,519
words on these cards. This is a two to two

999
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:40,639
for two, one of which is white with flash. Whenever

1000
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:44,599
she attacks, exile up to one other target non land

1001
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,079
permanent at the beginning of the next end step or

1002
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:49,360
turn that card to play under its owner's control, and

1003
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,679
if it entered under the control, it gets Oh if

1004
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,039
it was your shit, put a plus one encounter on

1005
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,760
what it's a fucking blink But it's a blink card.

1006
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:06,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, blink is value yeap White in the ninety

1007
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:10,639
nine has gotten ETB draw card on a few things. Yep,

1008
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,079
a few things that have been dogs, which shares with

1009
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:19,280
this need plus one plus one great way to gain value, Blink,

1010
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,679
great way to get value. So like I can see it,

1011
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,239
I know that those strategies exist. Have I played against

1012
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,400
this card in the command zone? I have not me either.

1013
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:34,360
I don't think I would.

1014
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: Honestly, if I was to see this in the Command

1015
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,119
zone and this was surprising to me, I'd be shocked,

1016
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:44,360
because there's just better. There's enough cards that just fucking

1017
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:47,239
do this, including this card that you don't need it

1018
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,199
in the command zone. You know what, Why are you

1019
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,519
doing this to yourself? What's unless you want to have

1020
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:55,280
the goodest boy deck and whatever?

1021
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? That that is. One second thing is maybe you

1022
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:03,039
want to play Blink, but you don't want to play

1023
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:06,639
Azorious Blink. Sure, I bet you. When we look at

1024
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:10,760
Azorious then and now we're gonna see some trends in Blink. Yeah,

1025
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,679
you're right, right, And maybe you don't want to do that,

1026
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,159
fair point. I don't know.

1027
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the next card do it.

1028
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,599
Speaker 2: This is a weird one, but it's the first one

1029
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:24,280
in the data set, so we can't say it's weird.

1030
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,239
We actually can't say it.

1031
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,079
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm surprised though, just because I've never seen him.

1032
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:30,400
What's fucking you know? It's not weird. It's not weird.

1033
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:35,159
Speaker 2: Drinking this raspberry wheat ail stunt beer. Don't drink that

1034
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:36,840
stunt beer. I swear to God. No, I'm putting in

1035
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:37,800
the last one we have.

1036
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm putting it in the middle.

1037
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: Oh you're lucky, Okay. Next card.

1038
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:49,599
Speaker 1: Aardric again lou Nark Marshall. The same card we talked

1039
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:55,400
about earlier is number nine to day. He got a

1040
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,079
new art. Yeah, he got a new full art art,

1041
00:56:58,119 --> 00:56:59,000
and he has gone.

1042
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,199
Speaker 2: Down in the he listed down in the rankings.

1043
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: He's still there. He's the one that stays.

1044
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see if anybody else stay right.

1045
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: He stayed, Audric Lunik Mark. He is still in the

1046
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:14,960
top ten of Mono White Commanders played today.

1047
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:18,599
Speaker 2: He didn't have a whole ton of runway to stay. No,

1048
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:21,000
Like if you're number one and you fall to number seven,

1049
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:23,719
like sure, that's a big fall, but like you had

1050
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,440
nine places to fall and still.

1051
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:26,679
Speaker 1: Be on the list, Like, where's the catch?

1052
00:57:26,719 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: The last time. Fucking six.

1053
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: I think I think he went six or seven. Yeah,

1054
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,519
there's six or five, five or six? Shocking. Let's let's

1055
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:37,840
do the next one. Let's let's see what the ass

1056
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:39,079
what the hell we're still.

1057
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: Playing and he's the one that we were like, why

1058
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,639
are we playing him in the ninety.

1059
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,079
Speaker 1: Nine in the zone? Yeah? Why are we wasting our

1060
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:46,800
commands on this assle? Mind you?

1061
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:52,519
Speaker 2: No, but okay, creatures since twenty nineteen have gotten better.

1062
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,599
Speaker 1: They've gotten more ability.

1063
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: Let's not let's not miss on. Creatures have gotten better.

1064
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:02,800
So if you're creatures, what does better mean? Better means

1065
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,400
more abilities, more words, do more things, more, do more things.

1066
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,760
Some of those things are flying, first strike, vigilance, trample, lifelink, haste, skulls,

1067
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:17,920
fucking skulk, Yeah for sure. Uh, which would make Audric better?

1068
00:58:18,239 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1069
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,079
Speaker 2: Like, I think I get it. I get that, I

1070
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:23,880
get it, I get it. I get it.

1071
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,639
Speaker 1: You still weren't expecting to see him? No, I'm in

1072
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:29,000
the top ten of today and I know that. No,

1073
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,880
because I wasn't either. I was like, what the hell? Really,

1074
00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:34,519
that's a cool one, God, damn, that's cool. I wasn't

1075
00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:35,599
expecting that at all.

1076
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:40,519
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's number nine, nine nine, This is number eight.

1077
00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:43,639
Speaker 1: Should have had numbers on him next week. Come on,

1078
00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:46,039
get you now that Now I've learned, I've I've I've

1079
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:50,159
learned the thing Heliod Sun Crawl.

1080
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a direct result of the rise of

1081
00:58:56,599 --> 00:59:00,079
c ed H. And before anybody jumps on me, I

1082
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,800
know that he's not the de facto CEDH commander that's

1083
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,719
wrecking up the format. I know, but at one time

1084
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,840
he was really fucking good, and he was a one

1085
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,719
card combo with Walking Ballista.

1086
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,079
Speaker 1: He was the Painter's Grindstone, but in the opposite order.

1087
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,000
With Painter's Grindstone you go grinders Stone, Grinder's paint stone,

1088
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:28,239
you go Grindstone, Painter's servant win the game. Here it

1089
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:35,599
goes Heliod, Walking Ballista win the game. And yes, like

1090
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,199
we understand, this isn't a deck that you see very

1091
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:41,840
often anymore. But I've played against several Heliods.

1092
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: You've played against helots yea, I have against heliouts. And

1093
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:47,559
what's the first thing you asked him? Now that the

1094
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:49,599
bracket matchmaking system.

1095
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: Are you playing Walking Blister?

1096
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:53,519
Speaker 2: Are you playing Walking Blister? Is this a CEDH deck?

1097
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,280
What are your intentions. How many tutors do you have? Right? Like,

1098
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,519
these are the kinds of things that you ask.

1099
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:01,519
Speaker 1: Now play a stat I'm going to come to the

1100
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:04,360
defense of all the Heliod players out there. Most common

1101
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,079
answer when I say are you playing walk Walking Ballista

1102
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:15,280
is no, yep. I have played against more Walking Ballista,

1103
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,239
less Heliod sun Crown decks than ones that play him

1104
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,480
because they didn't want to do the two card combo.

1105
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:23,719
They just like the life link.

1106
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: Let's give him cause we haven't read him. Okay, So

1107
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,400
he's a five to five god for three, which sounds

1108
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:35,079
really good. It's got indestructible, this sounds even better. Five. Yeah,

1109
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:39,480
as long as your devotion to white is less than five.

1110
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: Devotion is total man of symbols of a color in

1111
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,000
your casting costs of permanence you control.

1112
01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:48,199
Speaker 2: If your devotion to five is devotion of white is less.

1113
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,679
Speaker 1: Than five, is less than white.

1114
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: He's not a creature, correct, He's an enchantment. Yes, okay? Cool. Also,

1115
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,440
whenever you gain life, put a plus one counter on

1116
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:02,840
target creature or enchantment you control, so he can put

1117
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,199
a plus one on himself before he's a creature. If

1118
01:01:05,239 --> 01:01:10,760
you hain life and white one. Another target creature gains

1119
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,079
life link until end of turn. So what you do

1120
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,199
is you have him in play, you cast Walking Ballista,

1121
01:01:17,519 --> 01:01:20,119
you pay white one. Another target creature you control gains

1122
01:01:20,159 --> 01:01:23,119
light link til end of turn, and whenever you gain life,

1123
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:25,719
put a plus one on a creature or enchantment you control.

1124
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,920
You remove a counter a plus one from Walking Ballista

1125
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,480
to deal one damage to something. Walking has life life

1126
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:34,800
and it gets counterpack.

1127
01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1128
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:43,039
Speaker 2: So one card combo with your commander and one card

1129
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:48,239
combo is an expression. It's a two card combo because

1130
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:52,079
your commander and another card do the combo. But all

1131
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:54,920
the time, when one is always in your command zone,

1132
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,119
you only ever need one other card, So it's a

1133
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:01,079
one card combo. My favorite way to win and commander

1134
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:03,880
one card combo. All my most competitive decks use one

1135
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,719
card combos because I'm a piece of shit.

1136
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,079
Speaker 1: Ye Ah, he can confirm, can confirm he just did

1137
01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:12,599
that is very true? Yes, two or three times now,

1138
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:16,840
absolutely off garbage, Yes person, Yes, you're barely friends.

1139
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I know all these things.

1140
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: When you die, I'm gonna raise your son and you're

1141
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,599
gonna he's gonna know that you suck.

1142
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well that's Helio.

1143
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: Let's go to the next card delay or were you

1144
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,679
expected to see Delni street Wise? Lookout the two to

1145
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:44,239
two for white too legendary human scout creatures you control

1146
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,840
of power too or less can't be blocked by creatures

1147
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,719
of power three or greater? Were you expecting that? What

1148
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,719
if I read you the next line on the card.

1149
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,039
This is if an ability of a creature you control

1150
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:57,000
power too or less triggers, it triggers an additional time.

1151
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,639
What the is even happening?

1152
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: Can I tell you what I expected?

1153
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: Yes?

1154
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:09,639
Speaker 2: Please do to not even know that this card existed? Yes,

1155
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:13,760
And I was disappointed because now I learned that this

1156
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:14,480
card existed.

1157
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: This is a real asspect.

1158
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,519
Speaker 2: This is a three drop.

1159
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: Ability doubler. And you know where this do where this goes?

1160
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:25,119
Because I was, I was like.

1161
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 2: What the in your command zone?

1162
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:32,159
Speaker 1: Apparently this is a Soul Sister's commander a double life game.

1163
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,639
You gained double life from all your commanders.

1164
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: And then you rolled down on dhrek dot com and

1165
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,440
you saw Soul Warden and Sol Attendant and sold jerk

1166
01:03:39,519 --> 01:03:41,400
Off and Soul Brother and yeah, and.

1167
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,519
Speaker 1: Like a bunch of the card draw and white creatures

1168
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,960
h a vampire that whenever little guy comes in draw

1169
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:49,559
a fucking card.

1170
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,239
Speaker 2: All those things rocks, faith, mendered gain, life gain, double life.

1171
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: All small and that's what this deck kind of is.

1172
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,559
But still like, like, what the fuck?

1173
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: I appreciate the context there because I would say, what

1174
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,719
abilities are we trying to trigger? I think I would

1175
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:09,920
have locked onto it eventually. This is a human scout.

1176
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:14,039
Most of those creatures that you're talking about are something cleric,

1177
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,199
which doesn't make a whole ton of sense for me

1178
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:22,000
to queue onto then or there. But the life gain,

1179
01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:29,280
the incremental or instances of life gain deck are very powerful.

1180
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,760
I play one in the our command right, yep, mona

1181
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,800
white Angel. Aaron plays about fifteen of.

1182
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,239
Speaker 1: Them in every deck he plays.

1183
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that this makes sense. It's three manna,

1184
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:45,159
which is if we graft or averaged then versus now

1185
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:49,679
CMC in the command zone, we probably see a lower number. Absolutely,

1186
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,079
Avison's gonna skew that a little bit. Yeah, eight, and

1187
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,039
I don't expect to see Avison, oh and Elischnorn. I

1188
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:57,840
don't expect to see them in the top ten.

1189
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: Now, Oh you don't, Oh, no, will be surprised, maybe surprising.

1190
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:05,119
Speaker 2: I do want to go back, just real quick. We've

1191
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:09,639
got okay, we've got failure. Yeah, this is a blink strategy.

1192
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:11,639
Would you call this offensive or defensive?

1193
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: One? That's defensive defensive because usually you're gonna just you're

1194
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,280
building up a board of things. Is usually it's gonna

1195
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,599
come into play. I'm gonna remove your thing. It's gonna

1196
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:24,400
come into play. I'm gonna make more tokens.

1197
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's gonna be difficult to hit that person.

1198
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:32,239
Yeah yeah, okay, Audric, we said it was offensive this time.

1199
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: Yea heliod, I'm gonna say that's offensive. It's combo centric.

1200
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:40,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if you're playing walky bee.

1201
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,719
Speaker 1: Right. It lets you attack with virtual impunity at a

1202
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:44,360
certain point.

1203
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: That's seven. This is six.

1204
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:53,639
Speaker 1: It's another what the yeah? Yeah, very surprising. Okay, let's

1205
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:55,400
go to the next one. Let's see it is five

1206
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,159
cloud Mercenary.

1207
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,679
Speaker 2: Oh why don't you give this? Want to read and

1208
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:02,840
then answer me this? Riddle me this brando?

1209
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: Okay, why is it the same color as the background?

1210
01:06:07,639 --> 01:06:09,760
Why is the card and the wall behind us the

1211
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,559
same color? Who knows? It's a hold on? Answer me?

1212
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: This is voltron dead. Answer me this after you read

1213
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:17,239
this card?

1214
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: I will say it before I read this card, I'm

1215
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:21,119
gonna say no. I think people might think it is,

1216
01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:24,599
but it's not. It's a viable strategy, especially with the

1217
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:28,800
cards that are printed today, including Cloud Midguard Mercenary, which

1218
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,239
is a two to one for white white human Soldier Mercenary.

1219
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,400
When it enters, search your library for any equipment cards,

1220
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,000
show it off to the table, put it into your

1221
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,679
handsh off your library, as long as it's equipped. If

1222
01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:46,679
an ability of it or an equipment Jesus Christ, excuse

1223
01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:50,360
me attached to it triggers, it triggers an additional time.

1224
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,719
So think of the swords a double trigger again, tune

1225
01:06:53,719 --> 01:06:58,639
in a row butt forged battle ass. So many cards

1226
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,559
trigger when they attack, lots and lots of epintment. Yeah,

1227
01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:05,960
and this one doubles all of them, and he's on

1228
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:07,639
curve to play and.

1229
01:07:07,559 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 2: Equip them because he got two scored cost three.

1230
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, this is a It's an amazing card. And

1231
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:17,960
I know that it's a really good card because when

1232
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,679
I got my this if you're watching on YouTube, which should,

1233
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,920
when I got this very art for my full art

1234
01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:31,559
Borderless Final Fantasy collection. This card costs upwards of eighty dollars.

1235
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: It's not even lots.

1236
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,079
Speaker 1: It's lots for a card I'll never play ever because

1237
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:41,559
I don't play Mono White equipment, huh, but lots.

1238
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 2: Of And if he did, you could just play Baylan. Yeah,

1239
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,840
because I know that you bought that Commander deck.

1240
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: I sure did. Yes, I did, Yes, I did.

1241
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,119
Speaker 2: Okay, this and correct me if I'm wrong?

1242
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: Is new Bayalen. This is the card that's on here

1243
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:57,800
instead of Bailin.

1244
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:59,719
Speaker 2: Not what I was gonna say, But what I was

1245
01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:03,280
going to say is this, and correct me if I'm wrong.

1246
01:08:03,679 --> 01:08:07,840
Is our first Universes Beyond card in the top ten of.

1247
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: Now you are correct.

1248
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 2: This is the number five, This number six? Thanks you

1249
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:14,440
five feenom vedam.

1250
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:20,279
Speaker 1: You're sleeping? What what card are we on? Can you tell? No?

1251
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:23,520
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, fuck, I just got to do Jesus Christ.

1252
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:31,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So ten nine, eight seven, six, he's six.

1253
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,319
Speaker 2: So we had to get to We had the six

1254
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,479
before we cracked a Universe's Beyond card. Because that's what

1255
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,760
this is all about, is people people fricking sandbagging and

1256
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:43,680
jerking off onto your email account about how bad Universes

1257
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,199
Beyond is for the game. This is the first one

1258
01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:45,680
we've seen.

1259
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for the record, this isn't even the most

1260
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,239
it's not even outside the realm of what White does. Okay, well,

1261
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:54,520
there's other things I want to do. This, I will

1262
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:55,760
say that we we.

1263
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,520
Speaker 2: Have to we have to appreciate a couple things here.

1264
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,920
Of course, five through one could all be universes beyond cards.

1265
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:05,399
Speaker 1: They could be. Maybe they could be.

1266
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:09,279
Speaker 2: And this list doesn't give us any indication of what

1267
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:10,960
the ninety nine's of dex.

1268
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,399
Speaker 1: Is also correct, and we're only looking at monto white

1269
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:15,319
also correct.

1270
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:22,039
Speaker 2: There's thirty three other color combinations. Yes, yeah, So we're

1271
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:24,640
not confirming anything here, I guess is what we're saying.

1272
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,800
We're just we're just observing. This is the first one,

1273
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,520
this is the first that we've run across. Let's let's

1274
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,640
let's be objective, is what I'm saying.

1275
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,560
Speaker 1: And I'm going to say it's not the most egregious

1276
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,880
one that we could have come across. No, I think

1277
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:36,520
it's fine.

1278
01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:39,319
Speaker 2: I think it does the thing with the buster sword

1279
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:42,319
that they want to do, and like it's.

1280
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:44,279
Speaker 1: It finds the card that it is supposed to find

1281
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,039
and does the thing, and then it finds other cards.

1282
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:50,159
Speaker 2: And I would I would pause it that because that's

1283
01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:53,960
what it does. It meets your expectation of what this

1284
01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:56,960
character is supposed to do. Independent of what the format

1285
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,880
of commander wants a commander to do, this card does

1286
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,920
the thing that you want it to do.

1287
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: It's a famboy with a sword that's too big for

1288
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:05,840
his body. He does it.

1289
01:10:06,279 --> 01:10:10,079
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know what that's like, having a sword

1290
01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:10,880
too big for my body.

1291
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: And of course.

1292
01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 2: Elish Nord, Mother of Machines are our second.

1293
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:21,199
Speaker 1: El elish Norn is back. But this is a different Now,

1294
01:10:21,239 --> 01:10:24,720
this this is another X seven. It's a four to seven,

1295
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:30,279
this time for five. Because Howard Creep doesn't exist. Shut up.

1296
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,760
It's got vigilance, just like Eli Schnort has. And if

1297
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,800
a permanent you control entering the battlefield would trigger an ability,

1298
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,159
and a permanent you control it triggers in an additional time.

1299
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,960
And then it's the opposite for your opponents. So if

1300
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,279
a permanent they control would cause something to trigger, it

1301
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:48,920
triggers not so it turns off Landfall DECKX and makes

1302
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,720
your etb's way fucking better.

1303
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,520
Speaker 2: This is the third instance of double triggers we've seen.

1304
01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:02,039
That's a trend. Yeah, three equals a trend. Yep, I'm

1305
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:02,960
sticking to that math.

1306
01:11:03,119 --> 01:11:05,239
Speaker 1: That's fair. It's also if you want to look at

1307
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:07,960
it from like a hurt in your opponent's feelings.

1308
01:11:08,039 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 2: Let's make this, let's make this the fourth trigger card

1309
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:16,560
because the dog failure or whatever. Yeah, is an et

1310
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,640
B deck, which I know because I play Commander. ETB

1311
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:25,800
decks rely on triggers. Yes, Now, if Lyly is your commander,

1312
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,279
elish Norn isn't correct, but elish Norn probably in your deck.

1313
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1314
01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:33,319
Speaker 2: Or if elis nornon your commander and it's a link deck,

1315
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:34,279
maybe failure in.

1316
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:35,279
Speaker 1: Your deck not?

1317
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 2: Maybe it's it's she's there, Okay, it's thanks for confirming.

1318
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,039
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Yep. And I would say that if we

1319
01:11:42,119 --> 01:11:45,640
looked in the pre twenty twenty list, Thallia was there, like,

1320
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:49,680
that's our de facto quasi stax commander. This might be

1321
01:11:50,119 --> 01:11:50,840
the next one.

1322
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 2: Because this might be the next one. I don't know

1323
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:53,600
what the other ones are.

1324
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:54,159
Speaker 1: Maybe you do.

1325
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,560
Speaker 2: This one is the staxiest I think so far.

1326
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:02,039
Speaker 1: The prevalence of ETB decks is such that I would

1327
01:12:02,119 --> 01:12:04,720
say eli sh Noorn could be considered.

1328
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,079
Speaker 2: Wait a second, I would say that wait a second.

1329
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,720
We could build a blank deck to be a Stacks deck.

1330
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: Of course you could.

1331
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 2: We could build a Stax deck kind of in any shell,

1332
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,279
and the commander might provide a wink on sure, maybe

1333
01:12:20,319 --> 01:12:25,199
we build a what's his name heliod Stax deck? Yeah,

1334
01:12:25,399 --> 01:12:28,720
that we just find walking blister and win like we could.

1335
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,760
Of course you could now absolute value of words printed

1336
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:38,119
on card. Elis Norn's Eli Snorn's him her in this

1337
01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:44,039
case she checks that boxes for leading the charge in

1338
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:48,840
I could be your Stax commander category, though we could

1339
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,079
do it outside of Eli s nooron based on what

1340
01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:51,840
we've seen so far.

1341
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:57,039
Speaker 1: Also correct. So yeah, yeah, maybe maybe I think ye

1342
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:03,520
elis Norn there she is huh mile shield of our

1343
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,479
give Do you even know what this card does? This?

1344
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,520
This is the most surprising one because I forgot this

1345
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:15,680
card even brothers, I don't remember, because I picked a

1346
01:13:16,039 --> 01:13:17,760
art that's from a secret layer. So it's a three

1347
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,880
year for four to one of which is white. It's

1348
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,159
a human soldier. During your turn, your opponents can't cast

1349
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:28,319
spells or activate abilities of artifacts, creatures, or enchantments period

1350
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:32,399
that includes man abilities. Whenever it attacks you make x

1351
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,279
one to one colorless soldier, artifact, creature tokens.

1352
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,079
Speaker 2: Or ex soldiers you control. Yeah, I know this card.

1353
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,600
I didn't recognize that art but my rel shield of

1354
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:50,199
argive is at least for a while. Was a combo

1355
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:55,960
powerhouse CEDH. Commander, this is during your turn. Your opponents

1356
01:13:55,960 --> 01:14:01,119
can't cast spells are actually okay when attacks create. Man,

1357
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,119
this was part of a combo and it was, oh man,

1358
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,920
it stops your guy, you guys from doing stuff when

1359
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,800
she attacks, she create ex soldiers, So she oh man,

1360
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:16,600
where where does this card?

1361
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:22,560
Speaker 3: People who know know they're screaming at us, and I'm gonna,

1362
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,720
I'm gonna, I'm just gonna throw my hands up.

1363
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,399
Speaker 1: I don't this card surprised me. I've I've never seen

1364
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,520
this card before ever. Anyway.

1365
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, this card is like a major card, and I'm

1366
01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:37,039
I'm on EDH.

1367
01:14:37,359 --> 01:14:38,399
Speaker 1: I'm on EDH.

1368
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:42,279
Speaker 2: Rec It goes in like double trigger cards, or it

1369
01:14:42,279 --> 01:14:43,840
goes in winoda.

1370
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,319
Speaker 1: But it's this isn't winoda. This is my No, she's

1371
01:14:47,319 --> 01:14:50,920
in the command zone. You're looking at things, but this

1372
01:14:51,079 --> 01:14:53,319
is in the command zone. This is number four in

1373
01:14:53,359 --> 01:14:54,119
the command zone.

1374
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,239
Speaker 2: As a commander, Man, what is the card? It combos

1375
01:14:59,239 --> 01:15:00,159
with something.

1376
01:15:00,359 --> 01:15:04,079
Speaker 1: I'm I guarantee you it does, but I don't know

1377
01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:04,960
what it is.

1378
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 2: Man dh Rex got it with a bunch of soldier cards.

1379
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:12,399
Speaker 1: Of course it does.

1380
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 2: And Audric Master Tactician naturally thahly a heretic it is, right, Yeah,

1381
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,399
the whole thing. It goes with something and I just

1382
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:29,560
I don't quite remember, but it goes wild with something.

1383
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:32,359
Maybe maybe it goes wild with World Gorge Dragon.

1384
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,520
Speaker 1: Maybe it goes in the ninety nine and World Gorge Dragon.

1385
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,000
We're going to Dragon red. This is a mono white.

1386
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,560
So if you if you know why this is as

1387
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,279
high as it is on here, let us know in

1388
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:45,000
the comments and let's move on to the next card.

1389
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,920
Oh it's bugging me, well then let it bug in.

1390
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,520
If you can figure it out while we're talking about

1391
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:51,239
more cards, you can.

1392
01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: Let you can't.

1393
01:15:52,119 --> 01:15:54,399
Speaker 1: I'm too stupid. No, I wouldn't go that far. But

1394
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:58,840
let's it's the next card. What this is anti venom?

1395
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,199
Speaker 2: I thought it said anti woman.

1396
01:16:00,319 --> 01:16:02,039
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what what is the kind of

1397
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:03,319
magic anti venom?

1398
01:16:03,399 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 2: Horrifying healer? Right, white white white, white white symbiote hero

1399
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,840
five to five five five or five, that's good.

1400
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: Five five for five hard white, hard white, hard white Google.

1401
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,159
Well you can if you want to laugh. Yeah.

1402
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:25,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, when antivanom enters if he was cast returned to

1403
01:16:25,159 --> 01:16:26,560
our creature card from your grave.

1404
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:27,039
Speaker 1: To the beat.

1405
01:16:27,279 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's pretty good. Literally resurrect resurrect costs forest from.

1406
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 1: Alpha and with for one more man with a five

1407
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,920
five body attached to it, Yes, with another.

1408
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: Ability if damage will be dealt to anti venom, prevent

1409
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,159
that damage and put that many counters on it.

1410
01:16:46,319 --> 01:16:49,119
Speaker 1: A pretty good theres.

1411
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,079
Speaker 2: Himself pretty good. That's like the opposite of frection obliterator.

1412
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:56,119
Speaker 1: I likebliterator better, but but.

1413
01:16:56,239 --> 01:17:00,239
Speaker 2: Yes, obliterator better. You like to obliterator better. Yes, both

1414
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:01,439
of these could go in better.

1415
01:17:01,239 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: Though correct, very correct.

1416
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 2: Would they make better better? No? Because too many pips,

1417
01:17:07,239 --> 01:17:10,560
too many pips. I was gonna say, obliterator and.

1418
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:16,079
Speaker 1: Better a little better and anti venom irratifying better.

1419
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, this this, this is that high

1420
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:23,720
on the list already.

1421
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:28,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. And this came out like less than six months ago,

1422
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,399
and it's very This is the one that I was like,

1423
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:34,800
what the really, what really? Okay, it's just because it's

1424
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,920
an amazing creature gets a five five or five that

1425
01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:41,560
doesn't eat shit when it gets dealt damage, like right, Like,

1426
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,880
it's a very very very good creature and it's to

1427
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,640
reanimate in Monto white for five, So it gets your

1428
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,960
whatever the it gets your elish norn back, it gets

1429
01:17:49,039 --> 01:17:51,560
your other elish norn back man whatever. Right.

1430
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 2: I have a few theories as to I have a

1431
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,079
few hypotheses as to why.

1432
01:17:57,119 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: And people might be giving a ship like, oh fuckingos,

1433
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:02,399
what the fuck is up? You can check this for

1434
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,239
yourself on dhreck dot com today.

1435
01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: Oh no, nobody's disputing the data on dah track. Yeah,

1436
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,880
I'm just because this is what they're going to dispute.

1437
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:15,479
Is is why we're having a hard time understanding why

1438
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,439
these cards are as high as they are. Now, I'll

1439
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:22,479
tell you why, because this is a very very powerful

1440
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:27,600
creature and it's very very mono white, and it's from

1441
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:33,079
a very very adopted universes beyond set. And remember it,

1442
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:38,760
Obviously nobody likes playing Anti Venom. Obviously baxcept for the

1443
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,960
fucking twenty thousand decks or whatever.

1444
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,279
Speaker 1: On edia track based on sales of the set, nobody

1445
01:18:43,359 --> 01:18:43,880
liked that set.

1446
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,239
Speaker 2: But people like this card and it's mono white, and

1447
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,720
you know when new players come into the format, you know,

1448
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,720
because Universes Beyond brings them into the format. Because it's

1449
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,439
totally ruining the game, bringing new players into the game.

1450
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,359
Speaker 1: That's right. Remember that's the worst thing you can do.

1451
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 2: And they say things like I never I never play

1452
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,560
I never play black, I only play white, I really

1453
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,760
like white, I don't play red, I don't play green.

1454
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,520
Speaker 1: Remember you hear Toby says that all the time.

1455
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,279
Speaker 2: You hear and he's new.

1456
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 1: I know you hear.

1457
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,159
Speaker 2: New players say all the time, I don't play red

1458
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:21,039
or I only play white. White is my favorite idiots,

1459
01:19:21,039 --> 01:19:22,960
et cetera. I'm using white as an example.

1460
01:19:23,079 --> 01:19:25,359
Speaker 1: I know, I'm I'm saying it because it's true.

1461
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,239
Speaker 2: And when the best white creature in the set that

1462
01:19:29,319 --> 01:19:33,680
brought you into the game of Magic can be your commander,

1463
01:19:34,039 --> 01:19:36,199
you're gonna play it at a pretty high clip. I

1464
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:38,920
think it's the truth. I think this is the reason

1465
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,399
why this card's a commander. I can go with that

1466
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,800
modern commander ness because we're living in the age of

1467
01:19:46,399 --> 01:19:52,000
synergy and we're not talking about this right now, but

1468
01:19:52,199 --> 01:19:55,840
it's a conversation I think worth having. Are we getting

1469
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,319
out of the age of synergy and getting into the

1470
01:19:58,359 --> 01:20:00,680
age of raw power in the command zone.

1471
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: I hope so you think? So you hope, Well, that's

1472
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,640
going to make my omnac way better costs seven. Don't

1473
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:11,680
care because all they're going to do is print omnath

1474
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,760
that costs five, and that's only going to make the.

1475
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 2: Deck are much better. And you could pay four form

1476
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,439
because you've got a Farexian black and his casting costs black.

1477
01:20:21,319 --> 01:20:24,880
Let me rephrase just questions. Are we getting into the

1478
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,000
stage of Commander where it's raw power efficiency?

1479
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,239
Speaker 1: I hope not right? I want one of the other,

1480
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:33,319
only one of the other.

1481
01:20:33,399 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 2: Can you want only efficiency or only power?

1482
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:36,319
Speaker 1: You can have both?

1483
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 2: Where does where does the synergy phase of commander.

1484
01:20:41,399 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: Fit on that continuum?

1485
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:47,279
Speaker 2: If if one side is efficiency and one side is power.

1486
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,560
Speaker 1: Well it's on the efficiency side.

1487
01:20:51,399 --> 01:20:58,159
Speaker 2: Sorry, Where does synergy sit on on the efficiency or

1488
01:20:58,199 --> 01:21:00,000
power side?

1489
01:21:00,199 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: I think that synergy fits.

1490
01:21:01,399 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: More or is it a triangle? There are three different things.

1491
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: I think that synergy fits more on efficiency.

1492
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 2: I think so too.

1493
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,239
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think it's its own thing.

1494
01:21:09,359 --> 01:21:11,039
Speaker 2: How much do I how much work do I have

1495
01:21:11,079 --> 01:21:12,319
to do to get some benefit?

1496
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: Right?

1497
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 2: And that's synergy and that's efficiency.

1498
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:19,119
Speaker 1: Yes, synergy is efficiency and power is too. Efficiency works

1499
01:21:19,119 --> 01:21:22,439
on power as well. But I think that you can

1500
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:29,439
you can push raw fucking power a little harder than efficiency,

1501
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,479
because at the end of the day, a really raw

1502
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,640
power can get doom bladed. Raw power gets doom bladed

1503
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:41,760
or counterspelled, and you're fucked. When efficiency efficiency you can.

1504
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 2: Synergy is spread across many, many, many game pieces. In

1505
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,079
which case raw power in the form of Wratha good

1506
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,199
sure is the anti venom.

1507
01:21:55,399 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: Yes in this case, yes, well said, Well said.

1508
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:02,119
Speaker 2: Yes, dang maang, where's that leave ante venom?

1509
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: Then leaves them in the efficiency side an efficient cards.

1510
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,079
It's good and it's fine and it looks cool. The

1511
01:22:09,239 --> 01:22:09,920
art that we're.

1512
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 2: Showing on YouTube right now, the art, the power level,

1513
01:22:13,119 --> 01:22:15,399
not that it's egregious, but the art and the power

1514
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,079
level and the set that it was in good card

1515
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,199
and recency bias. I know that they use the word

1516
01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:25,199
recency bias on EVH reccast Sure recency bias in that

1517
01:22:25,319 --> 01:22:28,439
it came out recently and it was a universe is

1518
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:32,439
beyond product. I'm kind of borrowing the term recency bias

1519
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,399
to say, lots of people are playing this because lots

1520
01:22:35,399 --> 01:22:37,600
of people came into the game with Spider Man, and

1521
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,239
this is the most powerful White Commander.

1522
01:22:39,399 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 1: Let me hit you with a spoiler. Oh, last ub

1523
01:22:42,039 --> 01:22:43,039
commander on our list.

1524
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 2: Oh and it's number four.

1525
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:54,359
Speaker 1: Let's to the next one. Like pause, my whole ass

1526
01:22:54,399 --> 01:22:57,800
This card sucks and I'm gonna read it and then

1527
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,760
we're gonna talk about why it sucks, and then we're

1528
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,680
gonna move on. Decreature tech to two for White one

1529
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:06,720
Fox Advisor. There's an Advisor point in its favor whatever

1530
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,920
an area you control enters if you cast it. You

1531
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,000
may search your library for an Aura card with man

1532
01:23:11,039 --> 01:23:13,439
of value less than are equal to the Aura and

1533
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,840
with a different name. Then each area you control put

1534
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,319
that card into battlefield attached to light Pause. This card

1535
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,600
is literally the exact same game each and every time

1536
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,520
you play it. Only dirt bags play this card.

1537
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:31,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do, but Brando, I don't google. I don't google.

1538
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,119
Speaker 1: I don't need a track my whole deck. Yes you do. No. No.

1539
01:23:34,359 --> 01:23:36,119
Speaker 2: What I meant to say is I don't search for

1540
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:38,880
the same enchantment that's the number one enchantment on E

1541
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:39,600
Da Trek.

1542
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:40,199
Speaker 1: Yes you do.

1543
01:23:40,359 --> 01:23:43,039
Speaker 2: Are you still searching your deck for the same thing

1544
01:23:43,239 --> 01:23:44,319
every single time?

1545
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:47,399
Speaker 1: Yes? Your deck is the same every time you play

1546
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:51,359
it is is you play it on turn one or

1547
01:23:51,399 --> 01:23:53,119
two and then you find the thing.

1548
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 2: Give me the best enchantment in my deck is indeed

1549
01:24:00,079 --> 01:24:03,960
an on eeda track dot com. Do you search for

1550
01:24:04,039 --> 01:24:06,439
the best enchantment in your deck every time?

1551
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:07,039
Speaker 1: Yes?

1552
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 2: How is it different? Then it ain't?

1553
01:24:12,359 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: It ain't uh And.

1554
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying these are bad decks, but light Pause almost

1555
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:18,399
certainly not a bad deck.

1556
01:24:18,399 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: It fucking wins lots of games. Probably it's one of

1557
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:22,880
the commanders. They'll say, I don't I don't want to.

1558
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:23,720
I don't want to do it.

1559
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 2: It's the same every time.

1560
01:24:25,159 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, the I don't care what you're ga. I don't

1561
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:29,479
want to do it.

1562
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,520
Speaker 2: Let's let's define a little bit what the same every

1563
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,319
time means the play pattern is the same. I'm going

1564
01:24:36,359 --> 01:24:39,479
to cast light Pause on turn one or two because

1565
01:24:40,199 --> 01:24:42,479
if I disclose, oh, I want to play it like

1566
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,279
brack and four. I got fast Man out of my

1567
01:24:44,279 --> 01:24:46,239
deck so I can play light Pause on turn one.

1568
01:24:47,039 --> 01:24:49,239
I'm going to play light Pause on turn one or

1569
01:24:49,279 --> 01:24:52,920
two every single game I ever play the deck, and

1570
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,479
I'm going to find the best enchantment in my deck

1571
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,199
that allows me to win the game. Yes, and three.

1572
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:02,239
Other players can try to turn one or two or

1573
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:08,439
three remove my commander as if that puts the card

1574
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:12,960
not in my hand or whatever. The play pattern is

1575
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:18,079
the same, yes, regardless of whether you're playing Bracket one

1576
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,880
and it's a theme deck, Bracket two and it's like

1577
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,399
kind of just searching for stuff that's fun and quirky

1578
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:31,119
and interesting or what you had, or Bracket three and

1579
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,119
it's like powerful and tuned and you've got.

1580
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,079
Speaker 1: Some specific shit to deal with stuff.

1581
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 2: In your meta, or you're like going on a heyday

1582
01:25:40,039 --> 01:25:43,680
and you're playing the most powerful things that dh Reck

1583
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:48,000
told you, or you're playing all of the fast Manna

1584
01:25:48,199 --> 01:25:52,119
and stax pieces and white game changers, and you're doing

1585
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:58,159
literally the same cast, my guy, same card tutor every

1586
01:25:58,199 --> 01:25:58,840
single time.

1587
01:25:59,039 --> 01:26:01,560
Speaker 1: Correct, And that's what you're doing. And I know that

1588
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,920
because we had two light Pause decks in our meta,

1589
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,720
and both of them searched for different cards each turn,

1590
01:26:09,079 --> 01:26:13,000
but they both found the same cards each game. Yeah,

1591
01:26:13,039 --> 01:26:16,399
and one found X, Y and Z and Deck two

1592
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:17,680
found C, A and D.

1593
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,199
Speaker 2: I'll Devil's advocate you and say, brandos two decks. Oh

1594
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:25,239
my god, that isn't a very big sample size.

1595
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: Sure, but I've also played against him in the wild.

1596
01:26:28,039 --> 01:26:30,319
Speaker 2: Ah, That's what I was gonna say. Have you ever

1597
01:26:30,359 --> 01:26:33,159
gone to a magic con and have you ever played

1598
01:26:33,159 --> 01:26:35,399
against a light pose and a magic con once?

1599
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: Because every other time it's ever popped out and said

1600
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,079
I don't want to do it, and they'll go, Okay,

1601
01:26:40,079 --> 01:26:42,479
I'll find something else because most people are cool. It's like, yo,

1602
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:43,880
I don't want to play against your Like yeah, they know,

1603
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:45,760
they know I don't want to do it. I know

1604
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,079
what that's gonna do. I don't want to do it,

1605
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:51,760
Like I'll literally leave. I would rather not play than

1606
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:52,399
play against And.

1607
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 2: This is this is an dhreckism. How much do you

1608
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,319
think light pause is just like a commander that people

1609
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,399
theory build or building then take apart, but it stays

1610
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,439
on arcadect dot com as a deck, so it counts yes.

1611
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,319
Speaker 1: Interesting, The answer is yes, Igine.

1612
01:27:08,359 --> 01:27:10,119
Speaker 2: I don't know in twenty nineteen like that was as

1613
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:11,479
big of a problem as it is now.

1614
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it is. I think now I think

1615
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:15,920
people theory build the lots and they take it out

1616
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,199
one time and they see people in the wild, or

1617
01:27:18,279 --> 01:27:19,479
even if their lgs.

1618
01:27:19,239 --> 01:27:22,640
Speaker 2: Go, they take it apart physically, but it's still on

1619
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:29,079
their architect account. And how much of that happening when

1620
01:27:29,159 --> 01:27:31,319
somebody says, oh, I don't have a mono white deck.

1621
01:27:31,359 --> 01:27:33,439
I've never built mono white. What's good?

1622
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 1: Oh, light pause?

1623
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,199
Speaker 2: I can search for that every time, because tutoring for

1624
01:27:37,239 --> 01:27:39,319
a card in magic is like one of the funnest

1625
01:27:39,319 --> 01:27:41,840
things to do, right, light pause? Lets you do that

1626
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,079
on turn five at one and win the game. How

1627
01:27:45,079 --> 01:27:49,800
many people see that and do that and then just

1628
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,439
build a light pause deck on arcadect dot com and

1629
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,720
their friends hate it and then they take it apart

1630
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,199
in person, but don't take it off architect, and it

1631
01:28:00,319 --> 01:28:01,920
just perpetuates the truth.

1632
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:04,119
Speaker 1: Yes, that's such a.

1633
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 2: Weird phenomenon with and we we haven't brought this up

1634
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,119
with any other deck except this one.

1635
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:13,199
Speaker 1: This is actually that is the that is the one on.

1636
01:28:13,279 --> 01:28:17,000
This is number three. I hold up one finger number three.

1637
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:18,159
What's number two?

1638
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1639
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find out I do. This is number one.

1640
01:28:22,399 --> 01:28:24,960
Light Pause was number two. And if I think that

1641
01:28:25,039 --> 01:28:27,560
everybody who heard we're going to talk about mono white,

1642
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,279
Jiada font of Hope is the two to two for

1643
01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:34,560
white one Angel Flying vigilance and if you're a long

1644
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,720
time listener to Command or Cookout podcast.

1645
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 2: Or if you've ever seen CEOs.

1646
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:46,279
Speaker 1: Side what you got there? I was hoping you get

1647
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:48,520
it took him minute. That took me. I was like,

1648
01:28:49,079 --> 01:28:49,720
why is he pointing?

1649
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 2: I understand because Mono White Angel air and played Jiada

1650
01:28:53,039 --> 01:28:54,680
Jada and freaking beat.

1651
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:59,520
Speaker 1: Us five color monoh Angel also one color Mono White Angel,

1652
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:04,079
whoever fuck Angel deck of course, And I'm I know

1653
01:29:04,119 --> 01:29:06,039
we're not gonna do predictions, and we don't want to

1654
01:29:06,039 --> 01:29:09,079
do predictions, but I'm going to do a prediction based

1655
01:29:09,119 --> 01:29:16,239
on the one number one commander that I know without question.

1656
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:22,199
I'm gonna say that the number one modern day commander

1657
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:28,239
in the five Mono colors is always gonna be a

1658
01:29:28,359 --> 01:29:33,279
creature type commander. Ooh like, I'll bet you next week

1659
01:29:33,359 --> 01:29:35,159
at the end of the show, we're gonna talk about

1660
01:29:35,159 --> 01:29:38,880
a murpho commander, and then we're gonna talk about what's

1661
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,560
black zombies. Then we're gonna talk about goblins, and goblins

1662
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,359
is a giveaway with goblins and elves, then probably an elf,

1663
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:48,760
and I don't know about two colors. I'll bet you

1664
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,640
two Colors is different, but I'll bet you for the

1665
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:51,760
mono color commander.

1666
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 2: Come on, he's still gonna be zombies, still gonna be soldiers.

1667
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're still gonna see him. But and I think

1668
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,399
we all knew that Jada is gonna be the one,

1669
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:02,359
because like, this card is crazy on arena. We've seen

1670
01:30:02,359 --> 01:30:05,880
this everywhere in person decks. We've got two people that

1671
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,840
play this, and that still play this big time locally.

1672
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:12,359
You know what's huge.

1673
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:14,039
Speaker 2: This is a two to two for two. So it's

1674
01:30:14,079 --> 01:30:17,840
a lot, it's a lot smaller, it's lower on our curve,

1675
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:20,640
so we can cast our commander sooner. This is a

1676
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:24,239
thing that we might notice from the then to now.

1677
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,960
We might notice this a few times then to now.

1678
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:32,840
Lower on the curve, smaller body. We're using it for value,

1679
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,960
we're using it for synergy. Those two terms could be

1680
01:30:37,079 --> 01:30:40,479
used synonymously. Those two terms, the Venn diagram of what

1681
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:46,720
they mean is almost a circle value and and uh man,

1682
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:51,239
we see two abilities now instead of one, we see

1683
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,680
a second and a third ability. And I know, in

1684
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:56,439
the then versus now, you said there's going to be

1685
01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:00,960
more words. Of course there are, and there are. It's

1686
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:02,760
a it's a value provider.

1687
01:31:03,319 --> 01:31:04,680
Speaker 1: It's Flying Vigilance.

1688
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:08,159
Speaker 2: It's each other ange you can it's plus like it does.

1689
01:31:08,279 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: And it's a car that brings your girlfriend into magic.

1690
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 2: And it's the car a big Yeah, it's the car

1691
01:31:15,119 --> 01:31:19,039
that says, I'm building my girlfriend this Jada deck because angels,

1692
01:31:19,079 --> 01:31:21,640
because I think angels are how I get my girlfriend

1693
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:24,800
into magic. That's been a ccoism right there. We've been

1694
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,359
saying that since fucking day one.

1695
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, that's great, and the angel girls are great,

1696
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:32,800
but give me the give me the demon girls, give

1697
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:34,960
me the rack dose girls.

1698
01:31:35,199 --> 01:31:38,199
Speaker 2: And those girls are sitting on faces until you stop moving.

1699
01:31:38,279 --> 01:31:41,199
Speaker 1: That's right. I want to have like fish net imprints

1700
01:31:41,239 --> 01:31:41,960
on my cheeks.

1701
01:31:42,079 --> 01:31:45,640
Speaker 2: You want to have fish net fucking skin. Yeah.

1702
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 1: But the point is Jada's number one. We all know

1703
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:49,359
the let's read her for plus aeris.

1704
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 2: I thought we already did.

1705
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,039
Speaker 1: She's a white one for two flying Vigilance. Each other

1706
01:31:53,039 --> 01:31:55,920
angel you control enters with an additional plus one plus

1707
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,640
one counter on it for each angel you already control. Bullshit,

1708
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,439
And she taps for a white that can be used

1709
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:06,279
to cast an angel spell. So you know what deck

1710
01:32:06,359 --> 01:32:08,760
she goes in. You know precisely what she does it's

1711
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:11,600
a bunch of bullshit. Here's the gimmick for the arc

1712
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:17,159
of evolution. Right. Oh, I'm ready because I have done

1713
01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:20,199
the the leg work. Let's say I've gone through the things.

1714
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,399
I arranged all the cards, so I knew the information

1715
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,319
kind of coming in, and I tried to know as

1716
01:32:26,319 --> 01:32:28,439
little as I could, but I did understand it. So

1717
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:30,399
at the end of the show, I'm going to get

1718
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:33,399
you to give me the final thought of the day

1719
01:32:34,279 --> 01:32:36,439
twenty nineteen.

1720
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:43,560
Speaker 3: N White Commander Commanders. Now from two day, what has changed?

1721
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,800
Has it gotten better or worse with the inclusion of

1722
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:47,760
Universes beyond?

1723
01:32:48,279 --> 01:32:51,159
Speaker 1: Do you think Universes beyond took over your favorite color,

1724
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,079
which in this example is white.

1725
01:32:55,600 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 2: WHOA. Okay, I've said a bunch of times this show,

1726
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,119
and we'll continue to say over the course of the

1727
01:33:03,239 --> 01:33:08,319
arc of evolution that one and two data points does

1728
01:33:08,399 --> 01:33:09,239
not make a trend.

1729
01:33:09,399 --> 01:33:11,079
Speaker 1: We need three or more.

1730
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 2: And I would love to see what how many data

1731
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:25,800
points we can collect where Universes beyond dominate the color combination.

1732
01:33:26,399 --> 01:33:29,840
Ok And today in mono white we saw a couple,

1733
01:33:30,399 --> 01:33:34,840
but mono white, Universes Beyond Commanders did not dominate the

1734
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,319
Now Commanders they didn't.

1735
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,560
Speaker 1: They did not. We saw two or three two.

1736
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,079
Speaker 2: Anti venom and cloud and cloud just two. We saw

1737
01:33:43,079 --> 01:33:47,840
two that isn't dominant, that's twenty percent. We even saw

1738
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:52,479
one guy that was the same. We saw similar trends

1739
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:56,000
in what kind of deck we think is the average

1740
01:33:56,039 --> 01:33:59,359
deck that plays this commander. We saw trends in that

1741
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:01,920
also true. We saw a little bit of a shift

1742
01:34:02,039 --> 01:34:07,039
from from defensive to offensive. We saw a little bit

1743
01:34:07,079 --> 01:34:12,680
of a trend in i'll say control and agro towards

1744
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:20,239
combo that trend. I'm excited to see how that plays out.

1745
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:24,239
Are we gonna see? Oh, we even saw We even

1746
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:28,640
saw the shift from this is here, this is here

1747
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:30,800
because this is what the color does and this is

1748
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:34,399
all it does, to this is here because of CEH

1749
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:40,199
very good. What are people doing that makes this good?

1750
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,159
What are people thinking or how are they approaching this color?

1751
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,760
And is this why they're picking it? Are are we

1752
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:52,640
seeing attacking? Are we seeing defending? Are we seeing comboing?

1753
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:56,079
And is this why this commander is good? Or this

1754
01:34:56,119 --> 01:35:00,560
commander's good and it facilitates this right? Like I'm I'm

1755
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:05,520
not necessarily thinking about it. What does this commander do?

1756
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:10,920
But why are people doing it? And man, I'm actually

1757
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:17,680
super excited. I two weeks ago I wasn't sold on

1758
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:21,720
on this topic. Last week I was like, oh, wait

1759
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:25,079
a second, actually maybe this is kind of cool. Yesterday

1760
01:35:25,079 --> 01:35:28,640
at the Coachman Licensed Beverage Room, yep, you've been there?

1761
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:33,720
Ye okay, just once, Yeah, just mak it. I'm like, man,

1762
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,960
this is actually fun to talk about and to think

1763
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,399
about and to play that guessing game. And now to

1764
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:44,920
see next week. I hope we're doing blue.

1765
01:35:45,279 --> 01:35:47,159
Speaker 1: Yes, fuck yeah.

1766
01:35:47,359 --> 01:35:53,359
Speaker 2: I am actually super pumped because yesterday at the Coachman

1767
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:58,640
Licensed Beverage Room, I said, white is the purest color.

1768
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:03,239
Ten years go, white looks like white today. They got sweepers,

1769
01:36:03,279 --> 01:36:09,159
they got the most efficient removal, they've got control and stacks.

1770
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:11,479
But I was kind of wrong. They kind of had

1771
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:17,439
a grow and now they have some combo. Yep, I

1772
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:19,720
don't know my dink from my asshole. Maybe blues the

1773
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:24,720
most pure color they had control and combo? Is that

1774
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:28,600
what they have or do they have agro? Do they

1775
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,199
have stacks? Like what are we gonna see in blue?

1776
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:32,279
Speaker 1: Who can say?

1777
01:36:32,319 --> 01:36:36,119
Speaker 2: And that's not really a definitive thought of the day,

1778
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:41,000
but it is a anticipatory thought of the day where

1779
01:36:41,039 --> 01:36:44,159
I'm like, man, I don't know what to expect anymore,

1780
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:47,600
especially see the fucking order two times. What the fuck

1781
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:48,560
is that even good?

1782
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,520
Speaker 1: What are the odds he's not even good? And there

1783
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:55,800
he is, fucking twice. He's lasted seven years in the

1784
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,560
top ten. I guess he's good. And we don't know anything. Yeah,

1785
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,000
we're just fuck jump, fucking idiots. And you know where

1786
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,840
we're going to prove that we're stupid, Ryan when we

1787
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:09,439
talk about the top ten then and now of Blue

1788
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:16,560
on the next exciting episode of Coolmander Cook Count podcast

1789
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:18,319
Here