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Speaker 3: College football talk and playoff talk as well. The new

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committee rankings have dropped and we'll delve into that where

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the Big twelve stands and where BYU and you currently

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Speaker 3: Welcome in College Football Insider representing a ESPN dot Com

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We got Kyle Bona Garral the line, Kyle, Heck are you?

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Speaker 1: I'mder good?

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Speaker 2: Ben? How are you doing? Fantastic? Man?

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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful Wednesday afternoon here in Utah. And uh,

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we got the rankings and uh, you know, all things considered,

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Speaker 2: There's some some some interesting things.

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Speaker 3: Going on, and uh, but overall, I think most people,

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you know, feel pretty good about the coll Football Playoff

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Speaker 2: Where do you stand? What what would you change? What

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do you like? What do you just like in the

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rankings coming out yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm probably with a consensus here in

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that it's it's a pretty straightforward year so far. Like

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there's I don't know, there's just a lot of agreement

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on how to group teams for the most part, like

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some of the head to head stuff makes it kind

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of easy. You're not looking at very many circular situations

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where so and so beat so and so maybe you know,

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Team A or whatever it might whatever it might be. Right, So,

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it certainly was more interested by the initial rankings because

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that kind of sets the course. And so this week,

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you know, there wasn't major changes or anything that was

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certainly you know, a surprise considering the results from over

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the weekend.

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Speaker 3: The one thing that h you know, Big twelve fans

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have been up in arms about is how high Notre

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Dame has been when you look at their strength of schedule,

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strength of record, do you feel like they got Notre Dame?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? For me, that one is a little bit, you

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know that that's the one, right, I mean, but I

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think the fact that they the loss it's really about

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who they They haven't really beaten many great teams, but

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the losses weren't they weren't really dinged for those and

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so I mean, and and the fact that it happened

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early in the in the year also plays a role

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in this. That's right. You always see the committee value

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the more recent games than the ones at the start

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of the year. So for Notre Dames two losses to

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come against good teams early in the year, like I guess,

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with it, but it's like, you know, there's maybe it's

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justified for them to be a couple spots lower, But

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to really have a great sense of where Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: The end of the year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have plenty of two loss teams essentially in

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the in the top ten or top eleven. I guess

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seven and two. In Utah sitting at number thirteen, seven

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and two, Vandy's eight and two, Miami's seven and two

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at seventeen, the USC Trojans are seven to two. Plenty

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of two loss teams sitting in your top twenty five,

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even a couple of three loss teams. That's unique to

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college football, is it not?

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Speaker 1: No? It is anything go all the way down right,

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Cincinnati and the Big Twelve's got one loss in conference play.

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the rankings until this week, right, So it's you know,

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split it's really kind of splitting hairs at a certain

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point because when you have that many teams with the

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same record, you know, you could really make a good

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faith argument for a lot of me mentioned Notre Dame. Well,

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Notre Dame lost to Miami. Miami's you know, six spots

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lower than Notre Dame, so so go make sense of that. Right,

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twenty five ballot for the ESPN dot Com Power Rankings,

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and you run into a lot of that stuff where

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like after you get to about you know, twelve or

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something like that, then it's like, you know, how much

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does it really matter? But with the playoff committee, there

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are real stakes here because they have to justify the

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rankings week to week, and so you kind of get

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that going forward. As much as they like to say, hey,

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we blow it up and start over every week.

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Speaker 3: Is it a good thing or a bad thing for

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college football to have so much parody in your.

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Speaker 1: Opinion, Well, I guess that's how you define whether it's

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good or not. I think that's ultimately like what it's

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game and make it really and just chaos every week.

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Speaker 3: From a public perception standpoint, from an analytics standpoint, from

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a committee standpoint, does do is the Big Twelve on.

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Speaker 2: Better footing than the ACC? Right now? Are they on

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equivalent footing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think it's pretty clear that they're

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Speaker 1: It's just that there's it's a deeper, better conference. I

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think objectively that's it's hard to argue against that. But

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Texas Tech, and you have three teams that would you know,

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a CC right now. So I think that you know

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we're really saying, well, the best three teams are in

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the Big twelve? And then after that, you know, it

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so yeah, they're there's certainly better teams at the top,

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throughout the ACC is just really down this year. I mean,

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five five one lost teams right now in the ACC,

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which can is going to make the last several weeks,

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you know, a few weeks here really interesting in that conference.

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I just don't see any of those teams really being

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a threat to do much damage come come to the playoff.

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can look at and say, yeah, to day you could

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really see them make make a deep run like BYU

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and Utah. Maybe they get in or one of them

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Speaker 3: B YU sitting at number twelve, they are only lost

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to Texas Tech. Many field, Texas Tech is a top

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five team in college football. They may have the best

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defense in college but Paul ba, you lost to them

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Speaker 2: That's their only loss.

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Speaker 3: Why are they at number twelve behind multiple two loss teams?

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Speaker 1: I think at a certain point the style points do matter, right,

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can be true. Right, you should get credit for your

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wins and not losing the game. And I think BYU

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in comprehensive wins week after week to kind of build

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good in the second half of the game. The Utah

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they're they're ranking at number five or number twelve is

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a reflection of that. Again, Like, that doesn't mean you

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have to agree with that, but I think that's why, Like,

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that's how the committee chose chose to look at it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, Look, there's plenty of games to be

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played still, right, there's there for many of these teams

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three games some too. And and look, there's plenty of

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opportunity to have some style points on the back end

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in the final stretch of these games. Who do you

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jump into the top twelve that maybe isn't currently there? Utah, Vandy, Miami, Georgia, Tech,

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USC Michigan, Virginia, Louisville, Iowa, pitt Tennessee, South Florida, Cincinnati.

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jump and solidify themselves in the top twelve or even

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the top ten, who would it be?

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Speaker 2: And why?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean a lot of teams, a lot

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losses that they got punished for, right, But in their

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finished eleven and two. You know, so they'll have lost

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team that is playing better right now, and the head

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to head thing is interesting, so that that makes it

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you know, that's tough, right. I would always lean towards

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head to head in terms of who's deserving. But I

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could see the committee, you know, liking the way Yuka

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is playing and using that for justification that hey, look,

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like there's you know, there's ways to forgive that performance

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the year, but I think you know, they seem to

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have turned a corner here. They got a chance, you know,

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a chance going to Oregon. If USC wins at Oregon,

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you know, all of a sudden, their resume looks a

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lot different. If they're ten and two with the win

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against Oregon, I have a hard time believing that USC

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kept out. So yeah, look look for the Trojans. And

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then Utah becomes interesting to track in a similar way

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because if you finish ten and two and you're not

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Speaker 2: Kyle Bondager at ESPN dot com. You're on ESPN the

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Speaker 3: College football Big twelve football b YU and Utah football

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b YU. In their final three games have TCU. They

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got TCU at home, Cincinnati away, UCF at home. How

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do you see b what you finishing this season?

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Speaker 1: So I think, I mean, I think p YU will

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win all three games, But like I guess the question

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is like how confident, like not super confident after watching

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the Texas Tech game and just look they've they've squeaked

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out so many wins over the course of the year.

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They're like, we know they're a very very good team, right,

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you don't end up at eight and one if that's

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not the case. But you know, at a certain time,

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at a certain point, you know, the close games don't

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always go in your favorite So that's the reason for concern.

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year and then lost it too late. You know, I

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don't think I still think they're gonna get these done.

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I think they'll get to the conference title game and

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then lose into Texas techy And I just think Texas

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and two with two losses to what will probably be

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a top four, top five team by the end of

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the year, it's a pretty good resume to take to

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take into that meeting at the end.

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Speaker 2: Of the year.

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Speaker 3: So if that happens, let's say they they get to

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the they get to Arlington, they lose to Texas Tech again,

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and we've already discussed some style points, right, style points

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at the end of the year may matter. Do you

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think BYU gets in with that resume? Two losses to

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Texas Tech? A top five team in college football that's

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been a little bit of a media darling is viewed

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maybe by the Big ten, and SEC is a talented

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team that paid twenty eight million for their roster for

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some reports have published.

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Speaker 2: So where did that? Where does that put be?

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Speaker 3: Ay? You, do you think they get an at large

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bid with that resume? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot more contexts you need

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to say, like to feel strongly about that, right, like

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what's happening in other places. There's certainly I could drop

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very plausible scenarios that they get in and they then

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and they don't get in with with that scenario. It

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really depends on what else happens. Like that's my lot,

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my pret cursor, precursor to it. I think odds are

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they probably do get in, would be my kind of instinct.

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But again, like it's it's so tight and the fact

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that they it is concerning that they fill the five

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spots because if they had fallen, you know, three spots,

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and they're sitting there at number ten, right, that gives you,

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you know, you win the last three, maybe you climb up,

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maybe you're at number eight, come come tile time and

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title game time, and that maybe that's enough of a

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buffers or where you if you lose it, you don't

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fall you know, far enough to get dropped out like

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a SMU from last year's the comp Right. I think

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they went into the ACC title game eleven and one

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lost a close game. I think that matters if they're

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able to improve off their performance against against Texas Tech

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the second time around, they show, hey, look we went

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toe to toe with a team that's the top four,

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top five team, like we are that caliber of team.

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I think even if you lose, you can make a

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statement about your being deserving of a spot in the playoffs,

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and you know, if they go out and you know,

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it's a it's an uncompetitive game again, then I think

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that makes it much tougher for the committee to besify

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putting them putting the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: It seems like this year the committee is leaning more

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into analytics, algorithms, numbers, and evaluating and grading and ranking

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these teams. Last year it felt like it was very

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human based, even the years prior to that, very human

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based subjective, maybe with a little bit of a weight

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towards some analytics. But this year it seems like they're

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maybe leaning more into the algorithm, which is which is

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interesting to me, and like, I think that's actually a

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good thing all things considered. I I think it's, uh,

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you want a human element and you want a and

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a maybe metric element that that maybe takes into account

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the the you know, some of the human it takes

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away from some of the human folly.

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Speaker 2: Right. Would you agree with that in kind of combining

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that you spell that really well because

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I think, like it's just it's just data, right, That's

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all it is. It's it's it's it's acquiring more information

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to evaluate the teams, right, And so I think you

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really have to understand kind of the way some of

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those analytical uh you know designations work, right, Like you

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have to have a good sense of what strength of

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record is, what gain control is, like all those things

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like it has to they're all pieces in the greater

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evaluation process, right, And you know, I think b y

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Winning matters, but like how did they look while they're winning?

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pretty good job now of contextualizing how a team looks

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and wins and waiting them appropriately. I mean Utah is

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a team that the metrics really like a lot. They

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outperform the ape Pole significantly and all the you know,

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just about everyone you look at, Utah is perceived stronger

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by the computers than it is people. And you know

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by U schedule is is is really valued by the

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computers as well, And so there's you know, I guess

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by extension, the big twelve is valued more so than

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the A SEC when it comes to when it comes

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to that. Yeah, So like I think it's good and

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I think a lot of smart people put a lot

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of time and the developing these these analytical databases that

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are are really helpful in kind of breaking the tie, right,

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because not all seven and two or eight one are

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created equal, and anything we can use to be better

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informed about look what to make of those records is

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is certainly a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In piggybacking off of that, right, I was evaluating, like

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how BYU competed against Texas Tech. I was trying to

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delve into this to understand the rankings a little bit more. BA,

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you played at Texas Tech so in Lubbock. Lubbock is

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a tough place to play. Obviously, sold out crowd, game

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day was there, midday game, et cetera, all those things.

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The scoring margin in all of Texas Tech's wins was averaging.

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I think they were having thirty four points in those wins,

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that scoring margin, that winning scoring margin. So in BYU's game,

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it was twenty two, and I think that was the

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lowest winning margin out of all the games in the

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Big twelve thus far. In Kansas that Kansas State I

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think lost by twenty three. Utah lost by twenty four

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in Utah. Speaking of Utah, right, Utah had Texas Tech

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in Salt Lake. So do you think they take that

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into account? Are they just looking at the eye test

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of how the game felt or what the you know,

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the end result was.

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I's we're saying, and I think it's it's

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this is a good conversation I have too, because it's

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contextualizing how a team played. And I think the UTAH,

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you know, the UTAH is a common appointed rank, so

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it makes sense to compare how both those teams played

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against them just to kind of add to that context. Right.

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So I think like in one hand, BYU had to

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go to Texas Tech and they lost by less points.

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make the case for Utah, like Utah was more competitive

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for most of the game, right, I think they that

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was a close game until the fourth quarter, while the

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Texas Tech the YU game was pretty much put to

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bed well before that, right, And so while BUYU lost

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by more points in the end, like, it wasn't as

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competitive a game. And so there are some of these

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So it's again like it's a lot of this is

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personal preference, what an individual thinks is more impressive, like

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you could because you could make the case for either team,

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you know, with both of those games. Of course, Texas

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Tech loses it's starting quarterback against Utah and they still

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were able to score a bunch of points play and

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so's they'll have any data points.

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Speaker 3: Well will have it was the guy that led them

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to that twenty four point victory will Haven. It was

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also the quarterback that lost in ten b. Right, they're one.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, and so I think that's it's like, that's why

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you think they're not straightforward, and it takes a lot

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of and like you can have smart people who are

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you know, with good intentions and we're operating good faith,

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disagree on this stuff. And that's what that's what makes

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it so fun, right is if there's not a you know,

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it's not a very clear hey, you win this game,

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you're in there, there is a human element and I

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think that's it's obviously so unique to college football, and

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it's what it's what makes a lot of this fun

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all of that. That's why I just love it.

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Speaker 3: It, Kyle, our best way to support to what you do,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see all my stuffs on ESPN dot com.

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Speaker 3: Also, Big cougaror to everyone that joined us. Fantastic show.

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Jay Drew, obviously Kyle Bonagura. Appreciate everyone tuning in and

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chiming in. By the way, support our sponsors. We can't

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do our show without our sponsors. It doesn't cost anything

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to listen to us. You just got to try to

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support our sponsors. Whenever we have discounts value adds all

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of our products and services, we feel like we've aligned

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with great companies that want to provide the best product

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and service at a discount rate to all of our listeners.

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The VIP products, VP service and VIP discounts from all

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of our sponsors be it or Pros, Royal, Army Brand, Dental, Pros,

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Odon Menswear, Big O'tires and American Force Banderwealth Complete Circuit Electric,

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Bresa Cleaning Services. Shout out to Bridie Papina, John Beck

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and Jared Blizzo are former BAU cougars that hop on

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with us. The XBT dot Com, Train three, DQB dot

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Com and Utah Protective Films. Also Biger Growt to Premo Golf,

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RGS six Steers, BMW and Pleasant Grove and Myers Meets

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and Fine Foods. Guys, that's our show, We're sticking to it.

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We'll be back tomorrow. He's always here on your Utah.

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Speaker 2: ESPN Radio Network one oh three nine ninety eight point

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