Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm
here with someone super special in my life, my stepmom,
Karen Bell. Welcome to the podcast, Karen.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Karen is a reiki master and you've also been sober
for almost thirty five years, so I'm really excited to
dive into spirituality, reiki, sobriety, and also just tips for
strengthening your intuition. Yeah, so, Karen, would you share? I
mean I already know this, but would you share your
Sun moon and rising?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: I am a Leo Sun Scorpio moon Scorpio rising.
Speaker 1: And you know, like a good amount of astrology.
Speaker 3: Compared to you. No, but I feel like in the
general population, I do.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you like when I guess when you first
learned what your Sun moon rising are, were like the
Scorpio rising Scorpio moon like scary to you.
Speaker 2: At the time. Scorpio had a bad rep.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not gonna lie, like everything I heard
about Scorpio was you know, cut them off at the knees,
that kind of mentality. Yeah, but it doesn't feel like
it's that way so much anymore. It feels like people
really know so much more other than just the tagline
that goes with the sign, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I love.
Speaker 3: Being Scorpio and Scorpio rising, you know, all the time,
I'm just like, oh my gosh, this is that depth.
I think we talk about this. It's like I am
not good at small talk.
Speaker 1: No, you know, all of our conversations are like very deep.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk like how we know each other
a little bit because obviously you're my stepmom, but I've
known you for a very long time. Now. Did we
meet when I was like ten?
Speaker 3: Yes, originally we met when you were ten.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I want to know, I like need to
look back at the astrology that but I think it
was under It was in two thousand and three, and
there were Scorpio tourus of clipses back then, and that's
my fourth and tenth houses. So it's a change in
the family, like meeting my stepmom for the first time.
It was also a big change for you and your
ascendant and your moon sign.
Speaker 3: That's really interesting, that's really crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just thought we hadn't really delved very much
into the astrology of that time period. Yeah, when we
first physically met.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll do that offered us a bit more.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, something to do over the next holiday.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I feel like until I got into astrology,
I guess this was eight years ago now, we never
really talked about like the spiritual stuff, and now that's
all we talk about. So it's interesting how our relationship
has evolved, as like I got into astrology and then
you simultaneously like revived your interest in reiki and like
wanted to pursue it more seriously. And I feel like
we're always giving each other tips.
Speaker 2: I know, I love it.
Speaker 3: I really feel like you and I in this particular life.
Speaker 2: And their other lives we shared together too as well,
but we really helped sort of feed each other.
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, because we were together during
COVID and so we were doing a lot of fun
stuff during COVID, you and I were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited. I want to at some point of
this episode get into our psychic strengthening exercises. But first
I want to get into reiki, okay, because I didn't
know a lot about what reki even is before you
introduced it to me, and you started doing reiki on
me and other people that we know what is reiki.
Speaker 3: So Reiki is a Japanese technique of energetic healing. It
was discovered in nineteen twenty two, around nineteen twenty two
by a gentleman named mikaio Usui, and he was really
seeking you know, transformation, spiritual connection, and so he went
on a quest, on a spiritual quest, and he was
on the mountain for twenty one days, no food, no water,
and when he awoke, I don't know if he fell
asleep or if he you know, passed out because he
had no food and no water. He had this spiritual
clarity that he was looking for. And on his way
back down the mountain, he tripped and he stubbed his
toe and it was incredibly painful, and you know, he
took his hands like whenever you hurt yourself, you put
your hands immediately, like you hit your head and it's
like your hands.
Speaker 2: Go out, you know.
Speaker 3: So he felt this energy flowing through him and he
was shocked because it was it was so definite, and
it was so powerful, and the pain was subsiding also
from his injury, and so he recognized that he had
something there and that was just more than you know,
his his clarity that he had discovered. Yeah, and so
basically fast forward to today and in the US Usui
reiki is what is practiced by most reiki practitioners, and
it is essentially the universal life force energy.
Speaker 1: Yes, so.
Speaker 3: Reiki is sort of a two part word. It's ray
and the second part is key. And the ray part
of reiki is universal wisdom, God wisdom, higher power. That's
what that particular symbol means. The ray symbol means that,
and the key symbol is life force energy. And so
you put those together and it's the universal life force energy.
So reiki is everything. It's everything. You know, we are
made of energy. Every living thing is made up of energy,
of this life force energy, this universal energy. And so
with reiki, what you're doing, when you become a tune
to it, you are a now a conduit, and you're
a conduit for this universal life force energy. So it
comes in through the top of your head, through your
crown chakra, and flows through your hands. So it's I mean,
it's incredibly powerful.
Speaker 1: So when you're conducting a reiki session, usually someone will
come to you and they're like, I don't know. For instance,
I think my sister Julia come to you one time
and was like, I'm having stomach pain, and you send
her reiki and just directed it towards her stomach. So
it's like you're taking the universal energy and like bringing
it in to heal certain body parts or certain people's
like energy.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, so with reiki, it is holistic, so it treats
the whole body. It treats physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual.
And because it acts in your highest good, it's it's
like I can send you reiki, but then my job
is done.
Speaker 2: It's like the reiki takes over.
Speaker 3: So when Julia called from Australia and I'm in Connecticut
and she's like, I can't move, this hurts so bad.
I'm like, okay, I'll send you reiki. So I sent
her reiki and then she, you know, a number of
hours later she says, oh my gosh, this pain is gone.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it. What did you do?
Speaker 3: I said, I just sent you reiki. So as the conduit,
I really have no control over what happens. The energy
works in your highest good. It does no harm. Ever, ever, ever,
it does no harm. And another example, like for you
when you had you were suffering from insomnia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about to bring that up all it
was like a more mental thing rather than physical.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So you called and said I have to sleep.
I haven't slept in days. I'm like, I will send
you reiki. And you called the next day and you said,
I still can't sleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was that was really bad.
Speaker 3: But it's You're insomnia was a symptom of something else.
And so then I asked you, It's like, well, how
are you feeling? You more relaxed? Well, yeah, I'm more relaxed,
but I still can't sleep. So that's the challenge with reiki.
Sometimes you know, it's it's hot, it's it's going to
what needs healing. And at that point it was your
mental and your emotional side that needed healing, and then
the insomnia, okay.
Speaker 1: Something else that needed attention absolutely or the other like
symptom could be right subside. How did you get into raki? Like?
How old were you? What like prompted this interest?
Speaker 2: How old was I? I?
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to have an exact age, Okay,
so don't.
Speaker 2: You know you know me, I don't remember how old
I was.
Speaker 3: I it was in the mid nineties, ninety five, and
I got into it through my mother.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know, I know my mother.
Speaker 3: So she's always been very spiritual, always into the metaphysical,
always into things unseen. And she's a secret so she's
a Sagittarius, so she's always seeking, you know. And so
I went home. I was going through a rough period
of time in my life, and I went back to
Atlanta and you know, went and hung out with my mom.
And at the time, she was going through these courses
and I don't want to say it was a welcome
to metaphysics, but it kind of was, you know. So
it was maybe like a six week course, and they
went over you know, astrology for a couple of weeks,
working with crystals, psychometry like what you and I have
talked about about when you take an object and feel
the energy. And then one of those weeks was reiki
and I happened to be there at the time, and
like I said, I was going through a rough.
Speaker 2: Patch my life, just feeling lost.
Speaker 3: She said, why don't you come to this with me?
I think you might be interested. And at that time
she had gotten her first degree in reiki, and so
I was really excited because she had told me just
all these incredible things that were happening in her life
and how you know, her anxiety had subsided, and you know,
she absolutely loved it. And so I go to the
class and they put me on the table and they're
about six people in the class and they do a
treatment on me. And I couldn't believe what I was feeling.
I felt so much more calm. I felt like my
anxiety had subsided. I couldn't tell you what I was feeling,
but I felt something and those were the effects. And also,
you know, I felt like like I was going to
be okay, and that was something I was really struggling with.
I felt like I was lost, and it's like, I'm
not going to be okay. And then after this, I
don't know, they did it for like fifteen minutes, I
actually felt a physical change in my body and my psyche.
Speaker 1: Did that open you up to like spirituality in general?
Was it not something that you was really present in
your life before like this nineteen ninety five introduction to reiki.
Speaker 3: I had always been interested in the spiritual side, but
I think, you know, I had played with tarot cards,
I had gone and had you know, psychic readings done.
I had my astrology chart done, so I was always interested,
and when I was exposed to reiki, it just felt
like it was it was something more where I could
really help people with this, you know, Like I told you,
it's like I had dabbled in an astrology and it's
like I couldn't remember all the details, and you know,
fortunately with reiki it's like I just have to know,
you know, how to get quiet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say that's how I
feel felt with astrology. It's like, yeah, I have all
these other interests, but none of them have like resonated
in the same way that just astrology has. It's interesting,
like that was reiki for you, that was reiki for me. Yeah.
So from there, I'm because right now you've turned it
into your business and you're offering sessions to people, but
like back then, you weren't really doing anything with it professionally.
Speaker 3: Well I was, okay, but it was the mid nineties.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to ask about this because, like was spirituality.
It's just a huge thing now in the twenty twenties,
but like I want to hear what it was like
back in like the nineteen eighties, nineteen nineties.
Speaker 3: Okay, So my experience was nobody knew what reiki was.
No one knew what it was. The only people that
really knew what reiki was at the time were heavy
into the metaphysical already, or they were massage therapists because
it's a great compliment to massage therapy, because it's hands
on healing and it really helps, you know, kind of
calm people down and helps with you know, what they're
trying to do as massage therapists. But essentially, not really
many people knew what it was. So I would get
clients basically in the back room with the psychics at
a metaphysical bookstore.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I hear other practitioners or other I hear
psychics talk about that it's like the only place you
would meet your people is the backroom.
Speaker 2: Of a metaphysical bookstore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's pretty much the way it was, or
a crystal shop or something like that.
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine how I would have built my
astrology career in the nineties, Like, I don't even know how,
like I would be like known for my services besides
what you just described.
Speaker 3: That's how you got known.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's basically how you got known.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting, isn't it. Yeah, So how do your
sessions typically run? Knowledge, Someone will come to you just
kind of wanting to feel better, and then what like,
what do you do.
Speaker 2: So my session?
Speaker 3: So someone will come to me and they could be
it could be a multitude of things. There could a
lot of times it's anxiety related, because this is great
for getting you back into the parasympathetic opposed to the
sympathetic with your nervous system. It really helps with your
nervous system. They could want some clarity, they could just
want some alignment in their body. They could be a
little depressed, you know, not clinical depression, but just a
little depressed. So someone would come to me and we
would discuss it ahead of time. You know, what's going
on with you? What is it that you're hoping to
get from this reiki session? And then keeping in mind
that I really have no control over what reiki wants
to do, but it is for your highest good. Yeah,
you know, it's always whatever you're working on, it is
always going to be targeted there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: So they would come, we would sit down and we
would talk a little bit. If it's in person, and
if it's remote, it's on zoom, and then they lay
down on the table fully clothed, and there are hand
positions that I use that start at the head, some
in the head that moved to the torso, legs, arms,
Then we turn over, I do the backside, and then
after the session is done, you know, there's a little
closing sort of no mistake, thank you for the energy,
and then I sit down and we chat a little
bit about what their experience was, if they felt anything,
and then what they can expect moving forwards. You know,
it's like drink a lot of water. The energy is
moving through. You could bust out crying. You know, you
could have a lot of emotions coming up, and you know,
you may be thinking you've got a physical issue, but
that physical issue may actually be emotional and so you
may need a release.
Speaker 2: So just be prepared for that.
Speaker 3: Be prepared to not feel anything, you know, because sometimes
it's pretty rare, but sometimes people feel absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my problems all stem from like overthinking and anxiety.
So the second you start with the head, like I
feel everything become relaxed. Good. But yeah, do you usually
like see people like multiple sessions to make a real change,
or like people tend to notice a difference after just one.
Speaker 3: People tend to notice a difference after one, But multiple sessions,
I believe, depending on what you're working on. You know,
if you just want to come in and it's like, Okay,
I had a stressful week at work. Other than that,
I'm good and we'll do a reiki session, it's like, Okay,
I feel centered again, i feel aligned again. My energy
is nice and high, and I'm good to go. But
for the most part, if you have you know, anxiety,
or I mean, the world we live in today is
just non stop, and so multiple sessions are good, and
they can come once a week to start, but I
usually like to do once every two weeks in the beginning,
just so you get used to the energy. So I
was telling you, I do the practice of Sui method
of reiki, and I'm also a karuna reiki practitioner, and
that's on top of the symbols and the hand placements
of a sui reki. Okay, so that's a little bit more.
So I start people with a Sui reiki, which, like
I said, is just it's gentle, it's holistic, and then
after they get used to that energy because you have
to get used to the energy because it's definitely a
shift within your body and within your being. Then we
move on to some more specific a little stronger yeah,
a little stronger symbols for you. And at that point.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. No, I had a question like, because obviously,
like you, as a practitioner, know your stuff is reiki,
something like I would be able to look online and
be like, okay, this is how I do it. Let
me do it all myself really fast.
Speaker 3: No. No, Now you have to go to to be
a tuned to the reiki energy. You have to get
that done through a reiki master teacher. Okay, and it's
very specific. So if someone says, you know, I do reiki,
I got it from my grandmother, you know, it's like,
ask a few more questions because it's not reiki interesting. Yeah,
So you have to be attuned through a master.
Speaker 2: And there are.
Speaker 3: Three different levels of attunement. So you can get attuned
to level number one, and that's basically it's hands on.
You're working on yourself, you're working on friends, you're working
on your pets.
Speaker 2: Then there's level.
Speaker 3: Two, which this is what a lot of practitioners are,
or level two.
Speaker 2: So you get specific.
Speaker 3: Symbols that deal with the physical, the emotional, the mental,
and the spiritual. And that also allows you to do
reiki remotely, so it allows you to send reiki when
you're not in the same space as someone else, so
you don't have to do hands on it at that point.
With the level two, then there's master level, and then
there's a master teacher.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, are you master teacher.
Speaker 3: I'm a master teacher. Okay, I'm a master teacher. I've
been to master teacher since nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1: So that means I feel like you should teach some
workshops on like how to do this.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 3: I've never taught a workshop, but I'm definitely open to it,
yacause that's sort of been coming to me lately. I
have taught it was yeah, back in ninety six when
I taught most.
Speaker 1: People, as you kept saying these dates like nineteen ninety five,
nineteen ninety six, I'm just thinking back to that time
frame a lot of what when we get to your sobriety,
this will make a lot more sense too. But like
in nineteen ninety five nineteen eighty six, Saturn was in
Pisces and that's when you first got introduced to reiki,
and like we was intensely studying it. And now as
Saturn returned to Pisces the last few years, you again
like renewed this interest in reiki and like started to
be like, okay, wait, don't want to take this seriously again.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Because I guess we didn't go over this at the start.
But like, for the majority of your career, you were
a house manager and a private chef, so like spiritual
stuff really wasn't what you were doing for work.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: What was that like, like being like, okay, I need
to change career paths completely in your mid fifties.
Speaker 3: It was interesting. Yeah, it was definitely interesting. So around
twenty sixteen, I recognized that I was not personally going
to be able to continue on the career path that
I had, and I thought, Okay, I want to do
something that I can give back to people. I want
to be able.
Speaker 2: To help people.
Speaker 3: I want to be able to help people find their way,
whatever their way is. You know, it's individual, it's so
specific to each one of us. And so at that
time I was looking around thinking it's like, Okay, what
do I want to do? How can I give back?
And I started hearing about coaching a lot, A lot
of life coaching was coming up and being shown to me.
So I got a certificate as a life coach, and
I thought, Okay, I can't use this now, but I'll
use it at another time, and started thinking about reiki again.
So in my mid fifties, I left my job and
moved across the country and started a new path. I
started a new path.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, And this was all the lead up
to your second Saturn return because you have Saturn and Aquarius.
We both have the same Saturn sign, which I love.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I love that when I was going through my first,
you were going through your second. And I feel like
I have a lot of people on here who are
either going through their first Saturn return or have just
come out of it, but I never have. I don't.
I feel like I never talked about the second Saturn return.
So it's interesting to get that perspective of like it's
kind of similar to the first one, where your life
does go through these bigger shifts and you really realize, like,
what do I want to be doing for the next
several decades of my life, Like there's another pivotal turning
point at that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, was Grandma going through her nod.
Speaker 1: My granddad was going through his third, his third, so
it was all three of us, me, you, and granddaddy.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So right, So most of your audience
is in their first right. So your second Saturn return,
I will say, when I look at both of mine,
they were both chocked full of events, like major events.
Speaker 1: You got sober in nineteen ninety one, which was when
Saturn was an Aquarius last, So you got sober at
your first Saturn return. Was there anything I mean that's
huge and like that carried into the next several decades
of your life is still ongoing. Was there anything else
that came up at the first that was also major
in that way?
Speaker 2: Of course there's more, of course there's more.
Speaker 3: I got married, Yeah, I moved from Atlanta, which is
where I grew up, to Minneapolis. I started a new career,
got sober.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot. Yeah, that's I was also
going to say, because you have a fourth house Saturn,
it's interesting the topic of like doing a big move
somewhere else came into play too, and just that like
self and provement work. You stopped drinking at your first
Saturn return. I also stopped drinking at my first Saturn return.
And I when you said the date nineteen ninety one,
I realized Saturn was in early Aquarius, exactly opposite to
your Leo son. When I stopped drinking, Saturn was an Aquarius.
Conjunked my Aquarius son. Oh my go. So it's just
like very similar transits for kind of making a decision
to be like this habit is not working anymore, right,
And I just feel like Saturn is so it's like
a sobering planet. Literally, it makes you face reality and
be like, cut, cut out, whatever's not working.
Speaker 2: That's the way I felt.
Speaker 3: I felt like I had no choice. It was clear
to me what was not working in my life, and
it was it was drinking. Yeah, you know, it was drinking.
It was it was a moment in time where it
was clear to me if I wanted the kind of
life and if I wanted to be the kind of
person that I wanted to be, you know, in that life,
it had to go. It had to go, because honestly,
you know, I managed it. But then I couldn't. Yeah,
and it's when I couldn't.
Speaker 2: It was a bit of a nightmare. Yeah, yeah, it
was a bit of a nightmare.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, it's like, if I wanted to move
forward in my life and have the life I wanted,
it couldn't involve drinking.
Speaker 1: It's just couldn'tering. I feel like there was something else
I wanted to ask you about this. It'll come to
me in a second. I was like thinking about the
other transits that were also happening at that same time too,
Like what I think it was Sagittarius Gemini eclipsic or no,
it's cancer Capricorn. So you're also having like a nodle
opposition at that time, which is also a key transit
of the late twenties O people. But yeah, also just
like your natural interest and spirituality and being pulled towards that,
that's what I wanted to talk about. Okay, do you
feel like getting sober then set the stage for you
being more open to spiritual stuff?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so getting sober for me, I aligned myself
with a twelve step program and that worked for me
because there were so many other things going on in
my life. There was a lot of wreckage, as we
like to say, and so this gave me clear and
specific instructions on how to clean that up. And so
I feel like the first part of those twelve steps
was a lot of cleaning up, a lot of you know,
seeing things for the way they really are in my life.
Speaker 2: And the last.
Speaker 3: Part of those twelve steps are much more designed to
lead you on a spiritual path, you know, recognizing it's like,
you know your life is a spiritual one, start living
it that way. And so that really opened me up
to things that I was seeing that was going that
were going on in my life.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like I found myself being much more compassionate, much
more open, and then I would just notice how I
was responding and the things that I was attracted to,
and it was much more spiritual alignment than the way
I was before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I yours was more like sobriety can first
more an interest in spirituality after that, or mine was
like interest in spirituality at age twenty five and then
slowly noticing how there was less focus on like partying
or needing to like check out through alcohol, and then
that led to, like age twenty eight, just cutting it
out completely but it's it's interesting how those two like
often go hand in hand, and even with astrological transits,
Like I noticed this when people have like eclipses in
their twelfth and six house simultaneously. It's like you want
to treat your body better at the same time that
you're going through like a greater interest in spiritual stuff.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: So do you see that with other people as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I always see people either wanting to cut
back or wanting to cut out drugs or alcohol completely
with something like an eclipse to the six or twelfth house,
or when Saturn is in the sixth house, or when
Saturn's transitting the twelfth house, and then like I talked
about with us, like Saturn to the Sun or Saturn
to the moon, or Saturn crossing over the ascendant in
the first house. It's just like, how can I take
myself on in a different way?
Speaker 3: And I think it's really great that you were able
to do that and recognize that because I was coming
sort of out of the eighties and that.
Speaker 4: Was that's a crazy times and that was all about excess,
and drugs and alcohol were a big part of that excess.
Speaker 3: So I remember when I got sober, I I was
one of the youngest people I knew, and I was
twenty eight. Yeah, you know, for a very long time,
there were very few people that were my age at
twenty eight. And now I look at you know, your
age group, and you guys have made this decision. It's like,
you know, no, I don't need that all.
Speaker 1: The things you were interested in in the nineties, like
are Torndino?
Speaker 2: Are they really?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to talk about I guess I mentioned
how like people might start learning reiki and stuff like that,
but I feel like just being a Scorpio moon Scorpio rising,
you're naturally intuitive, and you've taught me a lot about
trusting my own intuition, and like we do a lot
of exercises together to strengthen like natural psychic abilities. I
want to get more into those. So like anyone listening,
I don't know. I feel like sometimes you think, like, oh,
that person's like a psychic. They only have that ability
to tap into maybe something that's unseen or like intuition more.
But like I believe everyone has that gift. It's just
about strengthening it through practices and exercises.
Speaker 3: I agree with you one hundred percent. One hundred percent
everyone has this sability. We were born to connect and
we were born to help each other heal. So in strengthening,
So what do you want to talk about.
Speaker 1: What's like, I don't know, for like someone wanting to
start out, what it's like a good beginner exercise. For
someone being like, Okay, I want to get better with
trusting my own intuition.
Speaker 3: I would say, okay, first of all, we all you
and I both know especially that everyone has a stability.
So think about when you walk into a room and
you're like, oh my god, the energy is heavy in here.
That's your intuition. That's you picking up on the energy
that's in the room that everyone else is putting off.
Or you get to a place you go when you
meet your friends and it's like the energy was so great.
I feel so energized. Connect with those feelings, connect with
those those circumstances and those instances that you have already
that are already happening in your life. One of the
things that really works for me is when I'm walking
out of the house or I'm getting ready and just
something in my mind says take that, and I'm like Oh, no,
I don't want to take that, you know, I don't
want to I don't wanna whatever it is, I don't
want to take. Yeah, something I can't even think of
what I what I would use an example.
Speaker 1: Now, like a piece of jewelry maybe, like a.
Speaker 3: Piece of joy maybe or a book, right, and it's like, no,
I don't want to take that.
Speaker 2: I don't have space for it.
Speaker 3: And then it happens again or whatever, and you just
know I'm not taking it. And then later on in
the day, you know, somebody comes up and says, do
you have this? You know, do you have this book?
Speaker 2: Or do you know I.
Speaker 3: Was referencing this book to someone. It's like, oh my god,
I almost brought that. Yeah, you know, things like that
where that's your intuition telling you take this. And it
may not be something major like with a book, you know,
but it could have been an opportunity for you to
connect with someone that you were supposed to connect with.
So these aren't always like you know, life things, like
big life things. Sometimes it's just an opportunity for you
to connect with another person.
Speaker 1: So like going with the flow, I would say, is
a large part of it. And just like trusting those
feelings that come up. My friend Seth was recently on
the podcast and he was talking about this in the
context of like going to the grocery store and like
how he's kind of started practicing not going in with
like a meal plans so much, but just being like,
what am I drawn to in this moment. I try
to do that on like daily walks I take, like
if I'm like planned to go to a specific place,
maybe on the way there, it's like, no, I need
to turn down this street because you never know like
what it'll end up, or like what is the reason
behind why I got that thought?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I loved that that part with Seth talking
about the grocery store because I do that too. It's like, Okay,
what am I feeling like today and just trusting that
intuition that your body is telling you what you need.
And I think as we, you know, go through life,
we are constantly being told, you know, we're getting We're
getting all of these signals of what to do and
what's best for us, And like we were talking about,
you know, it could be I'm just going to take
a write down this street, you know. And also one
of the things that that does that keeps you in
the moment, that keeps you sort of this meditative state
when you're listening to that. So I think the more
you practice things like that, the more your intuition comes up.
Because it's a muscle, you know, it's a muscle.
Speaker 1: Do you find because you were like thirty years older
than me, do you find that as you get older
that it's easier to have confidence in that, Like if
you looked back at like how you were in your
thirties or your forties, do you feel I don't know,
like trusting it's easier to trust yourself in that way.
Speaker 3: It is easier to trust myself in that way. And
also because I'm thirty years older than you, if it's
you know, it's I've had a lot of practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Like we were just saying, it's a lot of practice.
Speaker 2: It's like, just keep.
Speaker 3: Doing it, just keep listening. And also one of the
things that I think is really important is to ask
your guides, you know, ask your guides, ask your angel
ask you know, those that are unseen.
Speaker 2: That are here to help you.
Speaker 1: How do you do that?
Speaker 3: I just I have this great relationship with them I
just I just ask.
Speaker 1: I do either out louder in your head.
Speaker 3: I do it out loud because they're not going to interfere.
They're not going to step in and any way unless
you ask them. So I do it out loud because
I like to cover all of my bases. That's like,
just in case you weren't listening when I was thinking
about it, I will say, can you please, you know,
I am struggling right now. Can you please help direct
me where you want me to go? And can you
show me along the way that I'm on the right path.
And I ask that every day and I get something,
you know, I get something, whether I'm looking at the
clock at two twenty two or eleven eleven. You know,
numbers are a big thing, or if you know, I was,
I was riding the train and there's this one tagger
that has tagged this particular word that means something to me,
and it was it's not spelled the same way.
Speaker 2: But I had a dog that I loved that passed
away a.
Speaker 3: Couple of years ago, and her name was JUGI and
I know, and I'm you know, I'm coming in on
the train and I look out the window and it says,
you know, z U s I was that to that
was today?
Speaker 1: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: And I saw it a week after she died.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that you had that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had it today.
Speaker 3: And of course I can't tell you where it is,
but I just happened to look out and I'm like, okay,
I'm good, you know. And it's little things like that
that only mean something.
Speaker 2: To you, you know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, so I asked specifically. It's like, and you
can't ask for, you know, make this person love me.
You can't do that. But if you want to get
you know, clearer in your connection, you know, just start talking.
Speaker 1: Also, I find it easier for me to do this
through writing, so I will ask a question, like in
writing it's like something I don't know. I have to
be like more active with like things like meditation or
channeling in that way, like it has to be like
what do I need to know today? And then just
not suck and guessing any words that come into my
head and just writing them down.
Speaker 2: You're so good at that. Yeah, you're so good at that.
I think. So.
Speaker 3: I think for for everyone, we have areas that resonate
more with us than others. I think automatic writing for
you is really powerful. For me, automatic writing, I start
second guessing myself after I do it for a little while.
Speaker 2: It's like, did I make that up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And they say, like channelers were saying, will say, if
this is something that you are trying to do, don't
I can guess you will think you're making it up.
But go back and read it after a week or so,
and so sometimes I will reread it and it's like,
oh my gosh. But then other times I'm like, yeah,
it's phoning it in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But for you, I know that that's a big one
for you. For me, I don't know if I I
don't think I hear, but I just I had this.
Speaker 2: Knowing that comes over me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I have that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like I just know, yeah, you know, I
just know.
Speaker 1: There was another fun exercise we're doing during COVID, where
like you would hand me an object and I would
try to see if I could understand what that object's
importance was to you without any context. And I think
you handed me like a pearl necklace, and I got
like the just like random words popped into my mind
that I wrote down, and I got like August I
got a wedding and I got like a dirt road
and it was like hot out and you were like,
I think this is what the story it was. You
told me, like you wore that necklace to your sister's
wedding in Georgia in the in the heat of the summer.
Was that this necklace was it? Was?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 1: Maybe? So like? And you would ask me if you
should wear that during the I did.
Speaker 2: I was like, should I wear this? They're not like
you wear it?
Speaker 1: But that was the story right behind it. And I
was like I got those three keywords just from holding
it and like focusing on it, not too intensely, but like, right,
what does this maybe mean to Karen?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was so fun. Yeah, that's uh, I think
that's psychometry.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: My mom is really good at that too. Okayye, my
mom's really good at that.
Speaker 1: It's a fun thing to do with a friend or
like a family member.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun to do and you can
just you know, get your friends together, get a basket,
have people bring an object. I mean it could be
their car keys, it could be whatever. It could be
an earring, could be a ring, but something that's meaningful
to you in some way and see what they get,
you know, just let them hold it and just kind
of close your eyes and just think about it and
look at it and see what comes up. Yeah, see
what comes up? Yeah, that's really interesting. That's a fun one.
Speaker 1: The other one we were doing a few months ago
was this one's so interesting. We were staring deeply into
each other's eyes. Sounds so creepy, I know, but and
then trying to see if we saw a past life. Yes,
which and you actually came up with one that I
had witnessed in hypnosis.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I didn't even remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one of me being a Viking and I
was like why why is I was like, why is
this being brought up again? I don't want to hear
about the Viking past life. I want something more glamorous.
Speaker 3: That was funny because you did say why are you
talking about this when I'm like, well, obviously there's some
significance here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really fun. So just staring into each
other's eyes.
Speaker 1: How long did we do that for?
Speaker 2: I think what did we do?
Speaker 1: Maybe like a two minutes, maybe it.
Speaker 3: Was two minutes. And when you're relatively close, we were
about this close to each other, wouldn't you say yeah, yeah, yeah,
and you just stare into the other person's eyes and
whatever comes up you say, yeah, you know. So it's
it's really trying to break down those barriers that we
put up for ourselves, you know that that keep us
from the information.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, these are so fun. We need to do
someone I'm home in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: We do That was so much fun. We also played
with the pendulum a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my I bought a pendulum, so like how that works.
It's like a crystal right now. It hangs on a
string and you ask it like yes or no questions,
and if it swings a certain way, you get a yes.
If it swings another way, you get to know. Mine
broke because of course this was back when I was
like twenty five twenty six, accessing over this one guy
and I was like, will we get together? Will we
get together? Will we get together? And the pendulum just
broke on me and I was like, I think this
is a sign. Yeah, I'm asking the wrong question.
Speaker 2: He's abused your abused your privileges. And it's like we're out.
Speaker 3: That happened to me once before too, the same thing.
So so yeah, it can be on a chain, it
can be on a string or something like. I've even
seen people take like a ring and a hair and
do it that way and then you ask, you know,
you get really still. Your arm has to be really still.
It's like show me yes, and then you wait for
the pendulum to swing in a certain direction, and then
you steal it again and then it's like show me no.
And so then there's your yes or your no. But
I remember I was doing the same thing and I
lost my pendulum because I was asking the same question
over and over and over again. And you know, it's
like I just hear my guides going yep, we're out.
Speaker 1: I feel like with any of the spiritual, any of
these spiritual practices, even with like reading your astrology chart
and transit's like it doesn't work when you're coming from
a place of like fixation on it.
Speaker 3: Yes, when you're desperate, yeah, right, when you're desperate or
you're obsessing, or you're so focused on a specific answer,
it's like there's something you know, there's anxiety around it, right,
it's like I need this to be the answer. Yeah,
And so then you're right, it doesn't it doesn't work
because you've shut that off. You've shut it down. You
don't think you have, but you have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not open to like other answers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One last thing I wanted to talk about was
we want a ton into reiki, but you also do
transformational coaching I do. Is that where you're bringing in
stuff like this, like intuitive stuff. We just talked about
like how is that different from just regular coaching what
we were going over earlier with like what you got
into initially in like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Right, So, so regular coaching is you know, you go
to a school and although I'm not sure if it's
changed because there was a time when you didn't have
to go to school for it, but I went.
Speaker 2: To school for it and got a certificate.
Speaker 3: And then you sort of go on and find what
your niche is, what you're really interested in. So there
are you know, physical coaches, there are business coaches, There
are marriage coaches, there are birth coaches. You know, there
are all kinds of coaches out there. And I was
working with a client and she was going through some
pretty heavy stuff and she said to me, she is,
I need to find a coach that can take me
to this place, and I panicked and I was like
and it scared me. And then at the same time,
the next breath was that's what I want to do.
I want to be able to hold space for someone
who is looking to transform their lives. I want someone
who is looking for a shift in being. So transformational
coaching is is very deep coaching. It is a shift
in being. It's not just action oriented and task oriented
like regular coaching is, or like a lot of other
coaches are, because you're changing how you do things. With
transformational coaching, you are changing how you show up in
the world and for a lot of people, so it's
I feel stuck, you know, I feel stuck. I don't
know what to do with my life. People who are
going through say first Saturn Return or second Saturn Return.
You know, this type of coaching holds space for people
who who are looking for their particular way to be
revealed to them, because I believe we all have that
within us, and sometimes it's really difficult to find a
way to that answer. And so with transformational coaching, that's
what it does. It holds that space for you because
you're you're co creating. Like we were like we're always
co creating in the world. You know, we're constantly manifesting.
You know, we're constantly co creating. And it's not always
easy to sort of push the past aside because when
people are in transformation, it's naturally disruptive, you know, it's
naturally uneasy time, and you're essentially leaving an old life
for a new direction, and that can be terrifying.
Speaker 2: And if you've got somebody.
Speaker 3: To hold that space for you and to walk through
that with you, it just gives you a lot of
hope and confidence that you're moving in the right direction.
And so that's what transformational coaching is, and that's what
I do also, and I combine that with reiki, and
I think when people come in and they want coaching
and reiki, I think it's a great combination, you know.
I think it's a great combination.
Speaker 1: This topic of transformation is just so fitting with your
scorpio rising scorpio moon, uh, because that's like you live
so many lives within one. I always say that about
like scorpio placements, eighth house placements. It's like you're constantly
shutting different versions of yourself. So I love that you've
taken maybe something you've gone through personally and now helping
other people do that same thing.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I agree.
Speaker 3: I have had many lives within this life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really have now post second Saturn return, you're
onto your next one?
Speaker 3: Yes, now onto my next one?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah, so many changes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, thank you Karen for coming on the podcast.
It is so nice. Where can people find you?
Speaker 3: Oh, on my website Karen Bell reiki dot com.
Speaker 1: And that's where people could book sessions with you do
all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it's k R y N B E l
L reiki dot com.
Speaker 1: Oh love, Thank you,