1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,080 here with someone super special in my life, my stepmom, 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,439 Karen Bell. Welcome to the podcast, Karen. 4 00:00:12,519 --> 00:00:12,919 Speaker 2: Thank you. 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Karen is a reiki master and you've also been sober 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,280 for almost thirty five years, so I'm really excited to 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,920 dive into spirituality, reiki, sobriety, and also just tips for 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,879 strengthening your intuition. Yeah, so, Karen, would you share? I 9 00:00:30,879 --> 00:00:32,439 mean I already know this, but would you share your 10 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:33,479 Sun moon and rising? 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 3: I am a Leo Sun Scorpio moon Scorpio rising. 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:44,719 Speaker 1: And you know, like a good amount of astrology. 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,359 Speaker 3: Compared to you. No, but I feel like in the 15 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:47,840 general population, I do. 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: Okay, do you like when I guess when you first 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,200 learned what your Sun moon rising are, were like the 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,039 Scorpio rising Scorpio moon like scary to you. 19 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: At the time. Scorpio had a bad rep. 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,719 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not gonna lie, like everything I heard 21 00:01:02,759 --> 00:01:06,439 about Scorpio was you know, cut them off at the knees, 22 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,640 that kind of mentality. Yeah, but it doesn't feel like 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,519 it's that way so much anymore. It feels like people 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,400 really know so much more other than just the tagline 25 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:20,159 that goes with the sign, you know what I mean. 26 00:01:20,719 --> 00:01:22,719 Speaker 2: So I love. 27 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: Being Scorpio and Scorpio rising, you know, all the time, 28 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:28,480 I'm just like, oh my gosh, this is that depth. 29 00:01:28,599 --> 00:01:30,760 I think we talk about this. It's like I am 30 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:31,840 not good at small talk. 31 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,239 Speaker 1: No, you know, all of our conversations are like very deep. 32 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. 33 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,159 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk like how we know each other 34 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,840 a little bit because obviously you're my stepmom, but I've 35 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,400 known you for a very long time. Now. Did we 36 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:47,359 meet when I was like ten? 37 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: Yes, originally we met when you were ten. 38 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,079 Speaker 1: It's interesting. I want to know, I like need to 39 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:54,959 look back at the astrology that but I think it 40 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,359 was under It was in two thousand and three, and 41 00:01:58,439 --> 00:02:02,079 there were Scorpio tourus of clipses back then, and that's 42 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,560 my fourth and tenth houses. So it's a change in 43 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:07,400 the family, like meeting my stepmom for the first time. 44 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:08,840 It was also a big change for you and your 45 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,280 ascendant and your moon sign. 46 00:02:11,319 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 3: That's really interesting, that's really crazy. 47 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 48 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just thought we hadn't really delved very much 49 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,879 into the astrology of that time period. Yeah, when we 50 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,919 first physically met. 51 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll do that offered us a bit more. 52 00:02:27,719 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, something to do over the next holiday. 53 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. But I feel like until I got into astrology, 54 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,599 I guess this was eight years ago now, we never 55 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,039 really talked about like the spiritual stuff, and now that's 56 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,719 all we talk about. So it's interesting how our relationship 57 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:44,560 has evolved, as like I got into astrology and then 58 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:49,719 you simultaneously like revived your interest in reiki and like 59 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,039 wanted to pursue it more seriously. And I feel like 60 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:54,520 we're always giving each other tips. 61 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:55,599 Speaker 2: I know, I love it. 62 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 3: I really feel like you and I in this particular life. 63 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: And their other lives we shared together too as well, 64 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,719 but we really helped sort of feed each other. 65 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, because we were together during 66 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:12,520 COVID and so we were doing a lot of fun 67 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,599 stuff during COVID, you and I were. 68 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:17,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited. I want to at some point of 69 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:21,680 this episode get into our psychic strengthening exercises. But first 70 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:25,520 I want to get into reiki, okay, because I didn't 71 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,680 know a lot about what reki even is before you 72 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:29,879 introduced it to me, and you started doing reiki on 73 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,000 me and other people that we know what is reiki. 74 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: So Reiki is a Japanese technique of energetic healing. It 75 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:44,240 was discovered in nineteen twenty two, around nineteen twenty two 76 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:50,599 by a gentleman named mikaio Usui, and he was really 77 00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:59,080 seeking you know, transformation, spiritual connection, and so he went 78 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,319 on a quest, on a spiritual quest, and he was 79 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,439 on the mountain for twenty one days, no food, no water, 80 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:08,840 and when he awoke, I don't know if he fell 81 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,319 asleep or if he you know, passed out because he 82 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,039 had no food and no water. He had this spiritual 83 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:18,160 clarity that he was looking for. And on his way 84 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,079 back down the mountain, he tripped and he stubbed his 85 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,879 toe and it was incredibly painful, and you know, he 86 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,360 took his hands like whenever you hurt yourself, you put 87 00:04:27,399 --> 00:04:29,959 your hands immediately, like you hit your head and it's 88 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:30,800 like your hands. 89 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:31,399 Speaker 2: Go out, you know. 90 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,639 Speaker 3: So he felt this energy flowing through him and he 91 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,199 was shocked because it was it was so definite, and 92 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:44,439 it was so powerful, and the pain was subsiding also 93 00:04:44,759 --> 00:04:48,120 from his injury, and so he recognized that he had 94 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,879 something there and that was just more than you know, 95 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,000 his his clarity that he had discovered. Yeah, and so 96 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:02,399 basically fast forward to today and in the US Usui 97 00:05:02,439 --> 00:05:07,199 reiki is what is practiced by most reiki practitioners, and 98 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:13,519 it is essentially the universal life force energy. 99 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: Yes, so. 100 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:20,199 Speaker 3: Reiki is sort of a two part word. It's ray 101 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,519 and the second part is key. And the ray part 102 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:31,839 of reiki is universal wisdom, God wisdom, higher power. That's 103 00:05:31,879 --> 00:05:35,839 what that particular symbol means. The ray symbol means that, 104 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,399 and the key symbol is life force energy. And so 105 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,879 you put those together and it's the universal life force energy. 106 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:51,000 So reiki is everything. It's everything. You know, we are 107 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:54,079 made of energy. Every living thing is made up of energy, 108 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,519 of this life force energy, this universal energy. And so 109 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,319 with reiki, what you're doing, when you become a tune 110 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:05,720 to it, you are a now a conduit, and you're 111 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,319 a conduit for this universal life force energy. So it 112 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,959 comes in through the top of your head, through your 113 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:16,240 crown chakra, and flows through your hands. So it's I mean, 114 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,759 it's incredibly powerful. 115 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: So when you're conducting a reiki session, usually someone will 116 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,720 come to you and they're like, I don't know. For instance, 117 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,079 I think my sister Julia come to you one time 118 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:29,480 and was like, I'm having stomach pain, and you send 119 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,120 her reiki and just directed it towards her stomach. So 120 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,000 it's like you're taking the universal energy and like bringing 121 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,480 it in to heal certain body parts or certain people's 122 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:41,079 like energy. 123 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:47,079 Speaker 3: Absolutely, so with reiki, it is holistic, so it treats 124 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,439 the whole body. It treats physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. 125 00:06:52,079 --> 00:06:58,839 And because it acts in your highest good, it's it's 126 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,240 like I can send you reiki, but then my job 127 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:02,759 is done. 128 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: It's like the reiki takes over. 129 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: So when Julia called from Australia and I'm in Connecticut 130 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:13,639 and she's like, I can't move, this hurts so bad. 131 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,360 I'm like, okay, I'll send you reiki. So I sent 132 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:19,079 her reiki and then she, you know, a number of 133 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,800 hours later she says, oh my gosh, this pain is gone. 134 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,879 Speaker 2: I can't believe it. What did you do? 135 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:28,079 Speaker 3: I said, I just sent you reiki. So as the conduit, 136 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:33,199 I really have no control over what happens. The energy 137 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:38,040 works in your highest good. It does no harm. Ever, ever, ever, 138 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,879 it does no harm. And another example, like for you 139 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:44,920 when you had you were suffering from insomnia. 140 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about to bring that up all it 141 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,399 was like a more mental thing rather than physical. 142 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,879 Speaker 3: Absolutely, So you called and said I have to sleep. 143 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,800 I haven't slept in days. I'm like, I will send 144 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:57,720 you reiki. And you called the next day and you said, 145 00:07:57,879 --> 00:07:59,279 I still can't sleep. 146 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah that was that was really bad. 147 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:06,399 Speaker 3: But it's You're insomnia was a symptom of something else. 148 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:08,319 And so then I asked you, It's like, well, how 149 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,959 are you feeling? You more relaxed? Well, yeah, I'm more relaxed, 150 00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:15,160 but I still can't sleep. So that's the challenge with reiki. 151 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:19,160 Sometimes you know, it's it's hot, it's it's going to 152 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,639 what needs healing. And at that point it was your 153 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,199 mental and your emotional side that needed healing, and then 154 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,759 the insomnia, okay. 155 00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: Something else that needed attention absolutely or the other like 156 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,840 symptom could be right subside. How did you get into raki? Like? 157 00:08:38,879 --> 00:08:41,519 How old were you? What like prompted this interest? 158 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: How old was I? I? 159 00:08:44,759 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to have an exact age, Okay, 160 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:47,360 so don't. 161 00:08:47,159 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: You know you know me, I don't remember how old 162 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:50,039 I was. 163 00:08:51,159 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 3: I it was in the mid nineties, ninety five, and 164 00:08:55,519 --> 00:08:56,759 I got into it through my mother. 165 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know, I know my mother. 166 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,159 Speaker 3: So she's always been very spiritual, always into the metaphysical, 167 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:10,679 always into things unseen. And she's a secret so she's 168 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,720 a Sagittarius, so she's always seeking, you know. And so 169 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,600 I went home. I was going through a rough period 170 00:09:17,639 --> 00:09:21,120 of time in my life, and I went back to 171 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,240 Atlanta and you know, went and hung out with my mom. 172 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,399 And at the time, she was going through these courses 173 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:35,399 and I don't want to say it was a welcome 174 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,799 to metaphysics, but it kind of was, you know. So 175 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,080 it was maybe like a six week course, and they 176 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,879 went over you know, astrology for a couple of weeks, 177 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,120 working with crystals, psychometry like what you and I have 178 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,120 talked about about when you take an object and feel 179 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,759 the energy. And then one of those weeks was reiki 180 00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:58,000 and I happened to be there at the time, and 181 00:09:58,039 --> 00:09:59,879 like I said, I was going through a rough. 182 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: Patch my life, just feeling lost. 183 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 3: She said, why don't you come to this with me? 184 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,440 I think you might be interested. And at that time 185 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,120 she had gotten her first degree in reiki, and so 186 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,919 I was really excited because she had told me just 187 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,320 all these incredible things that were happening in her life 188 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:19,600 and how you know, her anxiety had subsided, and you know, 189 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,000 she absolutely loved it. And so I go to the 190 00:10:23,039 --> 00:10:25,320 class and they put me on the table and they're 191 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,320 about six people in the class and they do a 192 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:35,240 treatment on me. And I couldn't believe what I was feeling. 193 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:40,840 I felt so much more calm. I felt like my 194 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,360 anxiety had subsided. I couldn't tell you what I was feeling, 195 00:10:45,399 --> 00:10:48,399 but I felt something and those were the effects. And also, 196 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,440 you know, I felt like like I was going to 197 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,399 be okay, and that was something I was really struggling with. 198 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,639 I felt like I was lost, and it's like, I'm 199 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:00,360 not going to be okay. And then after this, I 200 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,600 don't know, they did it for like fifteen minutes, I 201 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:07,000 actually felt a physical change in my body and my psyche. 202 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:11,639 Speaker 1: Did that open you up to like spirituality in general? 203 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:14,519 Was it not something that you was really present in 204 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,919 your life before like this nineteen ninety five introduction to reiki. 205 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: I had always been interested in the spiritual side, but 206 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:29,720 I think, you know, I had played with tarot cards, 207 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,519 I had gone and had you know, psychic readings done. 208 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:38,960 I had my astrology chart done, so I was always interested, 209 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:44,200 and when I was exposed to reiki, it just felt 210 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,240 like it was it was something more where I could 211 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,080 really help people with this, you know, Like I told you, 212 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,720 it's like I had dabbled in an astrology and it's 213 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,200 like I couldn't remember all the details, and you know, 214 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,919 fortunately with reiki it's like I just have to know, 215 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,399 you know, how to get quiet. 216 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say that's how I 217 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,000 feel felt with astrology. It's like, yeah, I have all 218 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,320 these other interests, but none of them have like resonated 219 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,320 in the same way that just astrology has. It's interesting, 220 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:16,360 like that was reiki for you, that was reiki for me. Yeah. 221 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,200 So from there, I'm because right now you've turned it 222 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,720 into your business and you're offering sessions to people, but 223 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,799 like back then, you weren't really doing anything with it professionally. 224 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 3: Well I was, okay, but it was the mid nineties. 225 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to ask about this because, like was spirituality. 226 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,720 It's just a huge thing now in the twenty twenties, 227 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:39,919 but like I want to hear what it was like 228 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,799 back in like the nineteen eighties, nineteen nineties. 229 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: Okay, So my experience was nobody knew what reiki was. 230 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,039 No one knew what it was. The only people that 231 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,600 really knew what reiki was at the time were heavy 232 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:59,000 into the metaphysical already, or they were massage therapists because 233 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,240 it's a great compliment to massage therapy, because it's hands 234 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,120 on healing and it really helps, you know, kind of 235 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:09,799 calm people down and helps with you know, what they're 236 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:13,120 trying to do as massage therapists. But essentially, not really 237 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,840 many people knew what it was. So I would get 238 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:20,279 clients basically in the back room with the psychics at 239 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:21,600 a metaphysical bookstore. 240 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,399 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's pretty much it. 241 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I hear other practitioners or other I hear 242 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:30,559 psychics talk about that it's like the only place you 243 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,240 would meet your people is the backroom. 244 00:13:32,799 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: Of a metaphysical bookstore. 245 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's pretty much the way it was, or 246 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,200 a crystal shop or something like that. 247 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine how I would have built my 248 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:45,240 astrology career in the nineties, Like, I don't even know how, 249 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,320 like I would be like known for my services besides 250 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:50,360 what you just described. 251 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:51,879 Speaker 3: That's how you got known. 252 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's basically how you got known. 253 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: That's so interesting, isn't it. Yeah, So how do your 254 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:01,840 sessions typically run? Knowledge, Someone will come to you just 255 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:05,600 kind of wanting to feel better, and then what like, 256 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:06,480 what do you do. 257 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,159 Speaker 2: So my session? 258 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 3: So someone will come to me and they could be 259 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:14,240 it could be a multitude of things. There could a 260 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,639 lot of times it's anxiety related, because this is great 261 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,480 for getting you back into the parasympathetic opposed to the 262 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,399 sympathetic with your nervous system. It really helps with your 263 00:14:25,399 --> 00:14:30,200 nervous system. They could want some clarity, they could just 264 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:34,320 want some alignment in their body. They could be a 265 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,759 little depressed, you know, not clinical depression, but just a 266 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:42,240 little depressed. So someone would come to me and we 267 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:44,840 would discuss it ahead of time. You know, what's going 268 00:14:44,879 --> 00:14:47,480 on with you? What is it that you're hoping to 269 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,240 get from this reiki session? And then keeping in mind 270 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:54,360 that I really have no control over what reiki wants 271 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:56,759 to do, but it is for your highest good. Yeah, 272 00:14:56,799 --> 00:15:00,240 you know, it's always whatever you're working on, it is 273 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:01,639 always going to be targeted there. 274 00:15:02,159 --> 00:15:02,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. 275 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,159 Speaker 3: So they would come, we would sit down and we 276 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,960 would talk a little bit. If it's in person, and 277 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:14,759 if it's remote, it's on zoom, and then they lay 278 00:15:14,799 --> 00:15:17,840 down on the table fully clothed, and there are hand 279 00:15:17,879 --> 00:15:21,000 positions that I use that start at the head, some 280 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,519 in the head that moved to the torso, legs, arms, 281 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:27,919 Then we turn over, I do the backside, and then 282 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:30,960 after the session is done, you know, there's a little 283 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,000 closing sort of no mistake, thank you for the energy, 284 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,960 and then I sit down and we chat a little 285 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,120 bit about what their experience was, if they felt anything, 286 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,879 and then what they can expect moving forwards. You know, 287 00:15:45,919 --> 00:15:48,159 it's like drink a lot of water. The energy is 288 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,399 moving through. You could bust out crying. You know, you 289 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,720 could have a lot of emotions coming up, and you know, 290 00:15:55,799 --> 00:15:57,759 you may be thinking you've got a physical issue, but 291 00:15:57,799 --> 00:16:01,120 that physical issue may actually be emotional and so you 292 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,200 may need a release. 293 00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:03,759 Speaker 2: So just be prepared for that. 294 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: Be prepared to not feel anything, you know, because sometimes 295 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,600 it's pretty rare, but sometimes people feel absolutely nothing. 296 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, my problems all stem from like overthinking and anxiety. 297 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,519 So the second you start with the head, like I 298 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:23,559 feel everything become relaxed. Good. But yeah, do you usually 299 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:27,120 like see people like multiple sessions to make a real change, 300 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,759 or like people tend to notice a difference after just one. 301 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:34,679 Speaker 3: People tend to notice a difference after one, But multiple sessions, 302 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:37,559 I believe, depending on what you're working on. You know, 303 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,440 if you just want to come in and it's like, Okay, 304 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,039 I had a stressful week at work. Other than that, 305 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,919 I'm good and we'll do a reiki session, it's like, Okay, 306 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:49,200 I feel centered again, i feel aligned again. My energy 307 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,480 is nice and high, and I'm good to go. But 308 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:55,519 for the most part, if you have you know, anxiety, 309 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:58,080 or I mean, the world we live in today is 310 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,600 just non stop, and so multiple sessions are good, and 311 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:06,359 they can come once a week to start, but I 312 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,960 usually like to do once every two weeks in the beginning, 313 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,680 just so you get used to the energy. So I 314 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,039 was telling you, I do the practice of Sui method 315 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:22,319 of reiki, and I'm also a karuna reiki practitioner, and 316 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,680 that's on top of the symbols and the hand placements 317 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,240 of a sui reki. Okay, so that's a little bit more. 318 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:33,279 So I start people with a Sui reiki, which, like 319 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:36,960 I said, is just it's gentle, it's holistic, and then 320 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:39,400 after they get used to that energy because you have 321 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,640 to get used to the energy because it's definitely a 322 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,200 shift within your body and within your being. Then we 323 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:53,599 move on to some more specific a little stronger yeah, 324 00:17:54,119 --> 00:18:02,759 a little stronger symbols for you. And at that point. 325 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:07,799 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. No, I had a question like, because obviously, 326 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,319 like you, as a practitioner, know your stuff is reiki, 327 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,640 something like I would be able to look online and 328 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,200 be like, okay, this is how I do it. Let 329 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,559 me do it all myself really fast. 330 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,759 Speaker 3: No. No, Now you have to go to to be 331 00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:25,160 a tuned to the reiki energy. You have to get 332 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,599 that done through a reiki master teacher. Okay, and it's 333 00:18:28,839 --> 00:18:32,359 very specific. So if someone says, you know, I do reiki, 334 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,880 I got it from my grandmother, you know, it's like, 335 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,960 ask a few more questions because it's not reiki interesting. Yeah, 336 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,799 So you have to be attuned through a master. 337 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 2: And there are. 338 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 3: Three different levels of attunement. So you can get attuned 339 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:52,519 to level number one, and that's basically it's hands on. 340 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,799 You're working on yourself, you're working on friends, you're working 341 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:57,599 on your pets. 342 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:01,839 Speaker 2: Then there's level. 343 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 3: Two, which this is what a lot of practitioners are, 344 00:19:05,599 --> 00:19:06,279 or level two. 345 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: So you get specific. 346 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: Symbols that deal with the physical, the emotional, the mental, 347 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,960 and the spiritual. And that also allows you to do 348 00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:19,880 reiki remotely, so it allows you to send reiki when 349 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,960 you're not in the same space as someone else, so 350 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:23,960 you don't have to do hands on it at that point. 351 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,720 With the level two, then there's master level, and then 352 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:29,799 there's a master teacher. 353 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,559 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, are you master teacher. 354 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 3: I'm a master teacher. Okay, I'm a master teacher. I've 355 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,920 been to master teacher since nineteen ninety six. 356 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: So that means I feel like you should teach some 357 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:41,039 workshops on like how to do this. 358 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 359 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: I've never taught a workshop, but I'm definitely open to it, 360 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:48,119 yacause that's sort of been coming to me lately. I 361 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,759 have taught it was yeah, back in ninety six when 362 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:52,920 I taught most. 363 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: People, as you kept saying these dates like nineteen ninety five, 364 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,039 nineteen ninety six, I'm just thinking back to that time 365 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:04,480 frame a lot of what when we get to your sobriety, 366 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,480 this will make a lot more sense too. But like 367 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,359 in nineteen ninety five nineteen eighty six, Saturn was in 368 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,559 Pisces and that's when you first got introduced to reiki, 369 00:20:12,599 --> 00:20:16,759 and like we was intensely studying it. And now as 370 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:20,720 Saturn returned to Pisces the last few years, you again 371 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,119 like renewed this interest in reiki and like started to 372 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,599 be like, okay, wait, don't want to take this seriously again. 373 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:30,279 Speaker 3: That's interesting. Yeah, that's really interesting. 374 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: Because I guess we didn't go over this at the start. 375 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,960 But like, for the majority of your career, you were 376 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,279 a house manager and a private chef, so like spiritual 377 00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:41,960 stuff really wasn't what you were doing for work. 378 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:42,319 Speaker 2: That's right. 379 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: What was that like, like being like, okay, I need 380 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:50,720 to change career paths completely in your mid fifties. 381 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 3: It was interesting. Yeah, it was definitely interesting. So around 382 00:20:57,279 --> 00:21:03,759 twenty sixteen, I recognized that I was not personally going 383 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:05,960 to be able to continue on the career path that 384 00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:08,839 I had, and I thought, Okay, I want to do 385 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,480 something that I can give back to people. I want 386 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:12,200 to be able. 387 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 2: To help people. 388 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 3: I want to be able to help people find their way, 389 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,799 whatever their way is. You know, it's individual, it's so 390 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,279 specific to each one of us. And so at that 391 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,519 time I was looking around thinking it's like, Okay, what 392 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:28,119 do I want to do? How can I give back? 393 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,759 And I started hearing about coaching a lot, A lot 394 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:35,559 of life coaching was coming up and being shown to me. 395 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,960 So I got a certificate as a life coach, and 396 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,839 I thought, Okay, I can't use this now, but I'll 397 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,880 use it at another time, and started thinking about reiki again. 398 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,039 So in my mid fifties, I left my job and 399 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:57,319 moved across the country and started a new path. I 400 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,160 started a new path. 401 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,799 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, And this was all the lead up 402 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:04,720 to your second Saturn return because you have Saturn and Aquarius. 403 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,160 We both have the same Saturn sign, which I love. 404 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: I know. 405 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: I love that when I was going through my first, 406 00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:11,480 you were going through your second. And I feel like 407 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:13,359 I have a lot of people on here who are 408 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,519 either going through their first Saturn return or have just 409 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,960 come out of it, but I never have. I don't. 410 00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:21,559 I feel like I never talked about the second Saturn return. 411 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,240 So it's interesting to get that perspective of like it's 412 00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:26,720 kind of similar to the first one, where your life 413 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:30,559 does go through these bigger shifts and you really realize, like, 414 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,359 what do I want to be doing for the next 415 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,240 several decades of my life, Like there's another pivotal turning 416 00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:36,559 point at that time. 417 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, was Grandma going through her nod. 418 00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: My granddad was going through his third, his third, so 419 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,960 it was all three of us, me, you, and granddaddy. 420 00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So right, So most of your audience 421 00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:57,279 is in their first right. So your second Saturn return, 422 00:22:57,319 --> 00:23:00,119 I will say, when I look at both of mine, 423 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,279 they were both chocked full of events, like major events. 424 00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: You got sober in nineteen ninety one, which was when 425 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,519 Saturn was an Aquarius last, So you got sober at 426 00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:15,799 your first Saturn return. Was there anything I mean that's 427 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,359 huge and like that carried into the next several decades 428 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,400 of your life is still ongoing. Was there anything else 429 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,119 that came up at the first that was also major 430 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,599 in that way? 431 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: Of course there's more, of course there's more. 432 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 3: I got married, Yeah, I moved from Atlanta, which is 433 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,960 where I grew up, to Minneapolis. I started a new career, 434 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:42,799 got sober. 435 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,599 Speaker 2: Let's see. 436 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:50,319 Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot. Yeah, that's I was also 437 00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:52,119 going to say, because you have a fourth house Saturn, 438 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,480 it's interesting the topic of like doing a big move 439 00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:58,480 somewhere else came into play too, and just that like 440 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,440 self and provement work. You stopped drinking at your first 441 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,359 Saturn return. I also stopped drinking at my first Saturn return. 442 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:09,240 And I when you said the date nineteen ninety one, 443 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,359 I realized Saturn was in early Aquarius, exactly opposite to 444 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,000 your Leo son. When I stopped drinking, Saturn was an Aquarius. 445 00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:21,039 Conjunked my Aquarius son. Oh my go. So it's just 446 00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:24,480 like very similar transits for kind of making a decision 447 00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:29,119 to be like this habit is not working anymore, right, 448 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,119 And I just feel like Saturn is so it's like 449 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,960 a sobering planet. Literally, it makes you face reality and 450 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,400 be like, cut, cut out, whatever's not working. 451 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,039 Speaker 2: That's the way I felt. 452 00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 3: I felt like I had no choice. It was clear 453 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:46,759 to me what was not working in my life, and 454 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:50,240 it was it was drinking. Yeah, you know, it was drinking. 455 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:57,119 It was it was a moment in time where it 456 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,720 was clear to me if I wanted the kind of 457 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,759 life and if I wanted to be the kind of 458 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:09,039 person that I wanted to be, you know, in that life, 459 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,279 it had to go. It had to go, because honestly, 460 00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:16,039 you know, I managed it. But then I couldn't. Yeah, 461 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:17,519 and it's when I couldn't. 462 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,839 Speaker 2: It was a bit of a nightmare. Yeah, yeah, it 463 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,160 was a bit of a nightmare. 464 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 3: So so yeah, it's like, if I wanted to move 465 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,079 forward in my life and have the life I wanted, 466 00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:29,400 it couldn't involve drinking. 467 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: It's just couldn'tering. I feel like there was something else 468 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:36,599 I wanted to ask you about this. It'll come to 469 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,480 me in a second. I was like thinking about the 470 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,079 other transits that were also happening at that same time too, 471 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:46,559 Like what I think it was Sagittarius Gemini eclipsic or no, 472 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,119 it's cancer Capricorn. So you're also having like a nodle 473 00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:53,599 opposition at that time, which is also a key transit 474 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,240 of the late twenties O people. But yeah, also just 475 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,640 like your natural interest and spirituality and being pulled towards that, 476 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,640 that's what I wanted to talk about. Okay, do you 477 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,119 feel like getting sober then set the stage for you 478 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,720 being more open to spiritual stuff? 479 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 480 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so getting sober for me, I aligned myself 481 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,359 with a twelve step program and that worked for me 482 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,839 because there were so many other things going on in 483 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,119 my life. There was a lot of wreckage, as we 484 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,559 like to say, and so this gave me clear and 485 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,240 specific instructions on how to clean that up. And so 486 00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:40,000 I feel like the first part of those twelve steps 487 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,079 was a lot of cleaning up, a lot of you know, 488 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,799 seeing things for the way they really are in my life. 489 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 2: And the last. 490 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,079 Speaker 3: Part of those twelve steps are much more designed to 491 00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:57,279 lead you on a spiritual path, you know, recognizing it's like, 492 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,759 you know your life is a spiritual one, start living 493 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:03,640 it that way. And so that really opened me up 494 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,359 to things that I was seeing that was going that 495 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,599 were going on in my life. 496 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 2: You know. 497 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,759 Speaker 3: It's like I found myself being much more compassionate, much 498 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:17,839 more open, and then I would just notice how I 499 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,240 was responding and the things that I was attracted to, 500 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:27,160 and it was much more spiritual alignment than the way 501 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:27,920 I was before. 502 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I yours was more like sobriety can first 503 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,440 more an interest in spirituality after that, or mine was 504 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:41,240 like interest in spirituality at age twenty five and then 505 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,240 slowly noticing how there was less focus on like partying 506 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,960 or needing to like check out through alcohol, and then 507 00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:51,839 that led to, like age twenty eight, just cutting it 508 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,000 out completely but it's it's interesting how those two like 509 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:59,440 often go hand in hand, and even with astrological transits, 510 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,000 Like I noticed this when people have like eclipses in 511 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:06,400 their twelfth and six house simultaneously. It's like you want 512 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:09,599 to treat your body better at the same time that 513 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,640 you're going through like a greater interest in spiritual stuff. 514 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's really interesting. 515 00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:19,519 Speaker 2: So do you see that with other people as well? 516 00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I always see people either wanting to cut 517 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,960 back or wanting to cut out drugs or alcohol completely 518 00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,359 with something like an eclipse to the six or twelfth house, 519 00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:34,680 or when Saturn is in the sixth house, or when 520 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,920 Saturn's transitting the twelfth house, and then like I talked 521 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,480 about with us, like Saturn to the Sun or Saturn 522 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:45,160 to the moon, or Saturn crossing over the ascendant in 523 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,440 the first house. It's just like, how can I take 524 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,000 myself on in a different way? 525 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,599 Speaker 3: And I think it's really great that you were able 526 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,559 to do that and recognize that because I was coming 527 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,680 sort of out of the eighties and that. 528 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:05,599 Speaker 4: Was that's a crazy times and that was all about excess, 529 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,279 and drugs and alcohol were a big part of that excess. 530 00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:14,759 Speaker 3: So I remember when I got sober, I I was 531 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,759 one of the youngest people I knew, and I was 532 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:20,319 twenty eight. Yeah, you know, for a very long time, 533 00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:22,759 there were very few people that were my age at 534 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,200 twenty eight. And now I look at you know, your 535 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:29,200 age group, and you guys have made this decision. It's like, 536 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,839 you know, no, I don't need that all. 537 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: The things you were interested in in the nineties, like 538 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,640 are Torndino? 539 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:35,599 Speaker 2: Are they really? 540 00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:42,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to talk about I guess I mentioned 541 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:46,079 how like people might start learning reiki and stuff like that, 542 00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:50,240 but I feel like just being a Scorpio moon Scorpio rising, 543 00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:53,160 you're naturally intuitive, and you've taught me a lot about 544 00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:55,799 trusting my own intuition, and like we do a lot 545 00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:59,599 of exercises together to strengthen like natural psychic abilities. I 546 00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:02,640 want to get more into those. So like anyone listening, 547 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:05,960 I don't know. I feel like sometimes you think, like, oh, 548 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:08,599 that person's like a psychic. They only have that ability 549 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:13,960 to tap into maybe something that's unseen or like intuition more. 550 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,240 But like I believe everyone has that gift. It's just 551 00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:19,759 about strengthening it through practices and exercises. 552 00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 3: I agree with you one hundred percent. One hundred percent 553 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,480 everyone has this sability. We were born to connect and 554 00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:33,200 we were born to help each other heal. So in strengthening, 555 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,880 So what do you want to talk about. 556 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: What's like, I don't know, for like someone wanting to 557 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,720 start out, what it's like a good beginner exercise. For 558 00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:46,359 someone being like, Okay, I want to get better with 559 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,880 trusting my own intuition. 560 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:55,599 Speaker 3: I would say, okay, first of all, we all you 561 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,559 and I both know especially that everyone has a stability. 562 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,480 So think about when you walk into a room and 563 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:04,880 you're like, oh my god, the energy is heavy in here. 564 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,920 That's your intuition. That's you picking up on the energy 565 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:12,720 that's in the room that everyone else is putting off. 566 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,920 Or you get to a place you go when you 567 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,279 meet your friends and it's like the energy was so great. 568 00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:21,640 I feel so energized. Connect with those feelings, connect with 569 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:27,519 those those circumstances and those instances that you have already 570 00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:30,200 that are already happening in your life. One of the 571 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,759 things that really works for me is when I'm walking 572 00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:40,279 out of the house or I'm getting ready and just 573 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:44,039 something in my mind says take that, and I'm like Oh, no, 574 00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:45,559 I don't want to take that, you know, I don't 575 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:49,039 want to I don't wanna whatever it is, I don't 576 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:53,319 want to take. Yeah, something I can't even think of 577 00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:55,720 what I what I would use an example. 578 00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:57,319 Speaker 1: Now, like a piece of jewelry maybe, like a. 579 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 3: Piece of joy maybe or a book, right, and it's like, no, 580 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,440 I don't want to take that. 581 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:02,599 Speaker 2: I don't have space for it. 582 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: And then it happens again or whatever, and you just 583 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,680 know I'm not taking it. And then later on in 584 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,839 the day, you know, somebody comes up and says, do 585 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,720 you have this? You know, do you have this book? 586 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,279 Speaker 2: Or do you know I. 587 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 3: Was referencing this book to someone. It's like, oh my god, 588 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,559 I almost brought that. Yeah, you know, things like that 589 00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:25,799 where that's your intuition telling you take this. And it 590 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:28,960 may not be something major like with a book, you know, 591 00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:31,519 but it could have been an opportunity for you to 592 00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:34,240 connect with someone that you were supposed to connect with. 593 00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:38,279 So these aren't always like you know, life things, like 594 00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:40,759 big life things. Sometimes it's just an opportunity for you 595 00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:42,759 to connect with another person. 596 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,759 Speaker 1: So like going with the flow, I would say, is 597 00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:49,079 a large part of it. And just like trusting those 598 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,559 feelings that come up. My friend Seth was recently on 599 00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:53,359 the podcast and he was talking about this in the 600 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,160 context of like going to the grocery store and like 601 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,400 how he's kind of started practicing not going in with 602 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,279 like a meal plans so much, but just being like, 603 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:05,720 what am I drawn to in this moment. I try 604 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,799 to do that on like daily walks I take, like 605 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:11,079 if I'm like planned to go to a specific place, 606 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,759 maybe on the way there, it's like, no, I need 607 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:15,920 to turn down this street because you never know like 608 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,119 what it'll end up, or like what is the reason 609 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,599 behind why I got that thought? 610 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,039 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I loved that that part with Seth talking 611 00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:28,240 about the grocery store because I do that too. It's like, Okay, 612 00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:31,920 what am I feeling like today and just trusting that 613 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,440 intuition that your body is telling you what you need. 614 00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:39,440 And I think as we, you know, go through life, 615 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:44,440 we are constantly being told, you know, we're getting We're 616 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,039 getting all of these signals of what to do and 617 00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:50,960 what's best for us, And like we were talking about, 618 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,279 you know, it could be I'm just going to take 619 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,720 a write down this street, you know. And also one 620 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,119 of the things that that does that keeps you in 621 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,599 the moment, that keeps you sort of this meditative state 622 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,200 when you're listening to that. So I think the more 623 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:10,559 you practice things like that, the more your intuition comes up. 624 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:12,960 Because it's a muscle, you know, it's a muscle. 625 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,559 Speaker 1: Do you find because you were like thirty years older 626 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:18,199 than me, do you find that as you get older 627 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,000 that it's easier to have confidence in that, Like if 628 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:24,920 you looked back at like how you were in your 629 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,880 thirties or your forties, do you feel I don't know, 630 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,679 like trusting it's easier to trust yourself in that way. 631 00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:34,159 Speaker 3: It is easier to trust myself in that way. And 632 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:40,639 also because I'm thirty years older than you, if it's 633 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,079 you know, it's I've had a lot of practice. 634 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and that's what it is. 635 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 3: Like we were just saying, it's a lot of practice. 636 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,039 Speaker 2: It's like, just keep. 637 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 3: Doing it, just keep listening. And also one of the 638 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,719 things that I think is really important is to ask 639 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,920 your guides, you know, ask your guides, ask your angel 640 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:05,199 ask you know, those that are unseen. 641 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:06,159 Speaker 2: That are here to help you. 642 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,639 Speaker 1: How do you do that? 643 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,679 Speaker 3: I just I have this great relationship with them I 644 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,400 just I just ask. 645 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 1: I do either out louder in your head. 646 00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 3: I do it out loud because they're not going to interfere. 647 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:25,159 They're not going to step in and any way unless 648 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,079 you ask them. So I do it out loud because 649 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:29,719 I like to cover all of my bases. That's like, 650 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,960 just in case you weren't listening when I was thinking 651 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,199 about it, I will say, can you please, you know, 652 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,679 I am struggling right now. Can you please help direct 653 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,320 me where you want me to go? And can you 654 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,960 show me along the way that I'm on the right path. 655 00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,199 And I ask that every day and I get something, 656 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,320 you know, I get something, whether I'm looking at the 657 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,440 clock at two twenty two or eleven eleven. You know, 658 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,440 numbers are a big thing, or if you know, I was, 659 00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:06,039 I was riding the train and there's this one tagger 660 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:13,360 that has tagged this particular word that means something to me, 661 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:16,280 and it was it's not spelled the same way. 662 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 2: But I had a dog that I loved that passed 663 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:18,719 away a. 664 00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 3: Couple of years ago, and her name was JUGI and 665 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,639 I know, and I'm you know, I'm coming in on 666 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:27,599 the train and I look out the window and it says, 667 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,000 you know, z U s I was that to that 668 00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:31,639 was today? 669 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god? 670 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 2: And I saw it a week after she died. 671 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know that you had that. 672 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:38,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had it today. 673 00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:40,079 Speaker 3: And of course I can't tell you where it is, 674 00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:43,159 but I just happened to look out and I'm like, okay, 675 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,119 I'm good, you know. And it's little things like that 676 00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:47,440 that only mean something. 677 00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 2: To you, you know that. 678 00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:53,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, so I asked specifically. It's like, and you 679 00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:56,000 can't ask for, you know, make this person love me. 680 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,039 You can't do that. But if you want to get 681 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,599 you know, clearer in your connection, you know, just start talking. 682 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,599 Speaker 1: Also, I find it easier for me to do this 683 00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:13,079 through writing, so I will ask a question, like in 684 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,920 writing it's like something I don't know. I have to 685 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,719 be like more active with like things like meditation or 686 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,960 channeling in that way, like it has to be like 687 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,039 what do I need to know today? And then just 688 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,159 not suck and guessing any words that come into my 689 00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:28,360 head and just writing them down. 690 00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 2: You're so good at that. Yeah, you're so good at that. 691 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,119 I think. So. 692 00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 3: I think for for everyone, we have areas that resonate 693 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,320 more with us than others. I think automatic writing for 694 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,519 you is really powerful. For me, automatic writing, I start 695 00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,519 second guessing myself after I do it for a little while. 696 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:51,079 Speaker 2: It's like, did I make that up? 697 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 698 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 3: And they say, like channelers were saying, will say, if 699 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,840 this is something that you are trying to do, don't 700 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,840 I can guess you will think you're making it up. 701 00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:05,000 But go back and read it after a week or so, 702 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,920 and so sometimes I will reread it and it's like, 703 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,400 oh my gosh. But then other times I'm like, yeah, 704 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,159 it's phoning it in. 705 00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:12,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 706 00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 3: But for you, I know that that's a big one 707 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,599 for you. For me, I don't know if I I 708 00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:22,159 don't think I hear, but I just I had this. 709 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 2: Knowing that comes over me. 710 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I have that too. 711 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like I just know, yeah, you know, I 712 00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:27,800 just know. 713 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: There was another fun exercise we're doing during COVID, where 714 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,000 like you would hand me an object and I would 715 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,880 try to see if I could understand what that object's 716 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,400 importance was to you without any context. And I think 717 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,000 you handed me like a pearl necklace, and I got 718 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,960 like the just like random words popped into my mind 719 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,400 that I wrote down, and I got like August I 720 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,039 got a wedding and I got like a dirt road 721 00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:58,000 and it was like hot out and you were like, 722 00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:00,639 I think this is what the story it was. You 723 00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:04,159 told me, like you wore that necklace to your sister's 724 00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:07,880 wedding in Georgia in the in the heat of the summer. 725 00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:10,800 Was that this necklace was it? Was? 726 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:11,079 Speaker 3: It? 727 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 1: Maybe? So like? And you would ask me if you 728 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,760 should wear that during the I did. 729 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,639 Speaker 2: I was like, should I wear this? They're not like 730 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:18,239 you wear it? 731 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: But that was the story right behind it. And I 732 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,960 was like I got those three keywords just from holding 733 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,119 it and like focusing on it, not too intensely, but like, right, 734 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,960 what does this maybe mean to Karen? 735 00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was so fun. Yeah, that's uh, I think 736 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:31,840 that's psychometry. 737 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,079 Speaker 2: Right. 738 00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:36,639 Speaker 3: My mom is really good at that too. Okayye, my 739 00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:37,559 mom's really good at that. 740 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: It's a fun thing to do with a friend or 741 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,079 like a family member. 742 00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun to do and you can 743 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,840 just you know, get your friends together, get a basket, 744 00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:48,079 have people bring an object. I mean it could be 745 00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:50,559 their car keys, it could be whatever. It could be 746 00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:54,519 an earring, could be a ring, but something that's meaningful 747 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,840 to you in some way and see what they get, 748 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,719 you know, just let them hold it and just kind 749 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,320 of close your eyes and just think about it and 750 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,760 look at it and see what comes up. Yeah, see 751 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,199 what comes up? Yeah, that's really interesting. That's a fun one. 752 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,559 Speaker 1: The other one we were doing a few months ago 753 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,480 was this one's so interesting. We were staring deeply into 754 00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:20,559 each other's eyes. Sounds so creepy, I know, but and 755 00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:24,599 then trying to see if we saw a past life. Yes, 756 00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:27,360 which and you actually came up with one that I 757 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,960 had witnessed in hypnosis. 758 00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:31,199 Speaker 3: Yes, and I didn't even remember that. 759 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, the one of me being a Viking and I 760 00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:36,039 was like why why is I was like, why is 761 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,159 this being brought up again? I don't want to hear 762 00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:41,000 about the Viking past life. I want something more glamorous. 763 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,639 Speaker 3: That was funny because you did say why are you 764 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:46,880 talking about this when I'm like, well, obviously there's some 765 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:47,920 significance here. 766 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 767 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really fun. So just staring into each 768 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:52,880 other's eyes. 769 00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: How long did we do that for? 770 00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 2: I think what did we do? 771 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,559 Speaker 1: Maybe like a two minutes, maybe it. 772 00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 3: Was two minutes. And when you're relatively close, we were 773 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,599 about this close to each other, wouldn't you say yeah, yeah, yeah, 774 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,679 and you just stare into the other person's eyes and 775 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,159 whatever comes up you say, yeah, you know. So it's 776 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,719 it's really trying to break down those barriers that we 777 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,960 put up for ourselves, you know that that keep us 778 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:23,880 from the information. 779 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, these are so fun. We need to do 780 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,760 someone I'm home in a couple of weeks. 781 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,159 Speaker 3: We do That was so much fun. We also played 782 00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:32,280 with the pendulum a lot. 783 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, my I bought a pendulum, so like how that works. 784 00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:38,480 It's like a crystal right now. It hangs on a 785 00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:41,360 string and you ask it like yes or no questions, 786 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,840 and if it swings a certain way, you get a yes. 787 00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:46,679 If it swings another way, you get to know. Mine 788 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,880 broke because of course this was back when I was 789 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,480 like twenty five twenty six, accessing over this one guy 790 00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:56,559 and I was like, will we get together? Will we 791 00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:58,760 get together? Will we get together? And the pendulum just 792 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,639 broke on me and I was like, I think this 793 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,360 is a sign. Yeah, I'm asking the wrong question. 794 00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 2: He's abused your abused your privileges. And it's like we're out. 795 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 3: That happened to me once before too, the same thing. 796 00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:13,440 So so yeah, it can be on a chain, it 797 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,760 can be on a string or something like. I've even 798 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,000 seen people take like a ring and a hair and 799 00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,360 do it that way and then you ask, you know, 800 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,880 you get really still. Your arm has to be really still. 801 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,199 It's like show me yes, and then you wait for 802 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,320 the pendulum to swing in a certain direction, and then 803 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,320 you steal it again and then it's like show me no. 804 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,079 And so then there's your yes or your no. But 805 00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:38,880 I remember I was doing the same thing and I 806 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,280 lost my pendulum because I was asking the same question 807 00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:46,679 over and over and over again. And you know, it's 808 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,360 like I just hear my guides going yep, we're out. 809 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: I feel like with any of the spiritual, any of 810 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,079 these spiritual practices, even with like reading your astrology chart 811 00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:59,639 and transit's like it doesn't work when you're coming from 812 00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:01,480 a place of like fixation on it. 813 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 3: Yes, when you're desperate, yeah, right, when you're desperate or 814 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,800 you're obsessing, or you're so focused on a specific answer, 815 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,199 it's like there's something you know, there's anxiety around it, right, 816 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,639 it's like I need this to be the answer. Yeah, 817 00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:18,679 And so then you're right, it doesn't it doesn't work 818 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,840 because you've shut that off. You've shut it down. You 819 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,360 don't think you have, but you have. 820 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not open to like other answers. 821 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 822 00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. One last thing I wanted to talk about was 823 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,039 we want a ton into reiki, but you also do 824 00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:36,400 transformational coaching I do. Is that where you're bringing in 825 00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:39,280 stuff like this, like intuitive stuff. We just talked about 826 00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:43,039 like how is that different from just regular coaching what 827 00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:45,960 we were going over earlier with like what you got 828 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,360 into initially in like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. 829 00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:53,800 Speaker 3: Right, So, so regular coaching is you know, you go 830 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,280 to a school and although I'm not sure if it's 831 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,920 changed because there was a time when you didn't have 832 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,599 to go to school for it, but I went. 833 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,159 Speaker 2: To school for it and got a certificate. 834 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,679 Speaker 3: And then you sort of go on and find what 835 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,519 your niche is, what you're really interested in. So there 836 00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:16,559 are you know, physical coaches, there are business coaches, There 837 00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:20,599 are marriage coaches, there are birth coaches. You know, there 838 00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:23,800 are all kinds of coaches out there. And I was 839 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,599 working with a client and she was going through some 840 00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:30,960 pretty heavy stuff and she said to me, she is, 841 00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:35,239 I need to find a coach that can take me 842 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,960 to this place, and I panicked and I was like 843 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,360 and it scared me. And then at the same time, 844 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,320 the next breath was that's what I want to do. 845 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,000 I want to be able to hold space for someone 846 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,320 who is looking to transform their lives. I want someone 847 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,639 who is looking for a shift in being. So transformational 848 00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:03,280 coaching is is very deep coaching. It is a shift 849 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,599 in being. It's not just action oriented and task oriented 850 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,559 like regular coaching is, or like a lot of other 851 00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:14,079 coaches are, because you're changing how you do things. With 852 00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:18,840 transformational coaching, you are changing how you show up in 853 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,159 the world and for a lot of people, so it's 854 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,400 I feel stuck, you know, I feel stuck. I don't 855 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,239 know what to do with my life. People who are 856 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,760 going through say first Saturn Return or second Saturn Return. 857 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:39,760 You know, this type of coaching holds space for people 858 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:47,639 who who are looking for their particular way to be 859 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,239 revealed to them, because I believe we all have that 860 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,280 within us, and sometimes it's really difficult to find a 861 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,239 way to that answer. And so with transformational coaching, that's 862 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,719 what it does. It holds that space for you because 863 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,400 you're you're co creating. Like we were like we're always 864 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,440 co creating in the world. You know, we're constantly manifesting. 865 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,400 You know, we're constantly co creating. And it's not always 866 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,480 easy to sort of push the past aside because when 867 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,239 people are in transformation, it's naturally disruptive, you know, it's 868 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:26,599 naturally uneasy time, and you're essentially leaving an old life 869 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,239 for a new direction, and that can be terrifying. 870 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,079 Speaker 2: And if you've got somebody. 871 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,079 Speaker 3: To hold that space for you and to walk through 872 00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:36,960 that with you, it just gives you a lot of 873 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,039 hope and confidence that you're moving in the right direction. 874 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,519 And so that's what transformational coaching is, and that's what 875 00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:45,159 I do also, and I combine that with reiki, and 876 00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:48,000 I think when people come in and they want coaching 877 00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:52,000 and reiki, I think it's a great combination, you know. 878 00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:53,119 I think it's a great combination. 879 00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: This topic of transformation is just so fitting with your 880 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,440 scorpio rising scorpio moon, uh, because that's like you live 881 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:02,719 so many lives within one. I always say that about 882 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,000 like scorpio placements, eighth house placements. It's like you're constantly 883 00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:10,079 shutting different versions of yourself. So I love that you've 884 00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:13,639 taken maybe something you've gone through personally and now helping 885 00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,719 other people do that same thing. 886 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,280 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I agree. 887 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,599 Speaker 3: I have had many lives within this life. 888 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really have now post second Saturn return, you're 889 00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:26,760 onto your next one? 890 00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 3: Yes, now onto my next one? 891 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:30,119 Speaker 1: Yeah? 892 00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,639 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah, so many changes. 893 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, thank you Karen for coming on the podcast. 894 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,400 It is so nice. Where can people find you? 895 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,519 Speaker 3: Oh, on my website Karen Bell reiki dot com. 896 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,880 Speaker 1: And that's where people could book sessions with you do 897 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:45,519 all that stuff. 898 00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it's k R y N B E l 899 00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:49,840 L reiki dot com. 900 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,599 Speaker 1: Oh love, Thank you,