1 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:34,679 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,520 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,399 going to bring you this week's episode of The Big Story. 4 00:00:43,039 --> 00:00:46,039 But first, if you are enjoying the podcast, please follow 5 00:00:46,119 --> 00:00:50,759 us using your favorite podcast software, and our listener support 6 00:00:50,799 --> 00:00:53,880 and appreciation campaign continues. You can become one of our 7 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,840 ongoing Patreon supporters for as little as two dollars per month. 8 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,439 Just go to Patreon Great Detectives dot net. But now 9 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:09,920 a March ninth, nineteen forty eight, here is respected chemist dead. 10 00:01:10,879 --> 00:01:12,879 Speaker 2: The Big Story. 11 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,599 Speaker 3: I was up on the road near the dam when 12 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:25,959 this happened. All of a sudden, there was an explosion. 13 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:27,599 Speaker 4: Then I saw this car down here. 14 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,079 Speaker 5: Burn Take it slow, mister Wellia. I'm trying to write 15 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:31,079 this down on my report. 16 00:01:31,239 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 6: I ran right down here, but the heat drove me back. 17 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: Then I called you Sleep police quick as I could. 18 00:01:35,879 --> 00:01:38,159 Speaker 7: There as I can make out, someone must have gotten. 19 00:01:37,879 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 5: Out of the car and staggered over here to the river. 20 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:40,680 What happened to him? 21 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,879 Speaker 3: What do you think? Oh, the body it went over 22 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:44,359 the dam. 23 00:01:44,519 --> 00:01:46,719 Speaker 2: If he was lucky, it was dead when it happened, all. 24 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 5: At water, thousands of tons of it, pouring down like 25 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:50,560 a rain of steel. 26 00:01:51,159 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: We'll never find his body now never a big story. 27 00:02:06,239 --> 00:02:10,439 Here is America. It's sound and its cury, It's say 28 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,599 in its sorrow, As faithfully reported by the men and 29 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:21,159 women of the Great America Newspapers, Cleveland, Ohio, from the 30 00:02:21,159 --> 00:02:24,560 pages of the Cleveland News, the authentic story of a 31 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,719 reporter who found that death can make a piece of 32 00:02:27,719 --> 00:02:32,080 fiction come to life, to night. To Ike mcinally of 33 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,199 the Cleveland News, goes the pell Mell Award for the 34 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:55,520 Big Story. Now the story as it actually happened. 35 00:02:56,319 --> 00:03:08,479 Speaker 8: Ike mcinally story as he lived in Cleveland, Ohio. Every 36 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,319 city seems different, except when you get down real. 37 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:12,719 Speaker 3: Close to it. 38 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:17,719 Speaker 8: Then you know that they're all alike. A city lives 39 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,840 because of its people. And in the stories that you 40 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:24,919 Ike mcinally right for the Cleveland News, you tell what 41 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:30,840 happens to them, sob stuff, laugh and heartbreak, the obituaries 42 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:34,719 and the birth notices side by side. And on this 43 00:03:34,919 --> 00:03:38,000 cold December day, as you head for an interview with 44 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,759 the wife of doctor David Wagner, the whole picture of 45 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,960 the city suddenly narrows down. The one small frame or 46 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,199 in the window of the Wagner house is a reef 47 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:53,759 of Christmas, and below the name played on the door 48 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,599 is a wreath of black. 49 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 9: But nor can I tell you, mister Nathan. 50 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,439 Speaker 3: Now your husband's actions, Missus Wagner. They identified his car 51 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,919 with a license plate, but the way it exploded, the 52 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,039 police can't figure it out. 53 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 10: Doctor Wagner was a camel. I know he was on 54 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,920 his way to Philadelphia to demonstrate a new process for 55 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:25,480 purifying water. There are chemicals in his car in some 56 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:27,279 way that it must. 57 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 9: Have caught fire. 58 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:30,759 Speaker 4: Bump on the road, broken bottle, and his luggage. 59 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,639 Speaker 3: Any one of a dozen takes for the time he 60 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,439 was to keep time. 61 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 9: I love him so much. It says if he still 62 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,000 he was always plumbing the children, that we all go 63 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,199 away on a long diacas he had so little time. 64 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 4: I say, I shouldn't mind my own business. But why 65 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:53,480 don't you go away with the children. There's the insurance. 66 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,199 Speaker 3: No, you mean the doctor didn't carry a policy. He 67 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:00,519 fifty thousand dollars, But you just said. 68 00:05:01,959 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 9: The insurance company. He has no truth. Our broker, mister Murry, 69 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:10,000 has been arguing with him, but I. 70 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:12,439 Speaker 3: Don't get it. They found the car but they. 71 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:17,199 Speaker 8: Didn't find my husband an under company rules, who have 72 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,360 to wait seven years before being paid my husband? 73 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,399 Speaker 3: Just me, it's a locking deal. 74 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 4: A man works to make sure that his wife and 75 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:27,800 kids will be taken care of. 76 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: It's not it's not right to let it all go 77 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:30,079 for nothing. 78 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 4: Excuse me, of course, company forget about people. 79 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: Remember the rules. 80 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,639 Speaker 9: Hello, just an, it's for you. 81 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 3: Thank you guys, right, hello, oh grab a just. 82 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 11: Pick something off the ap wire. Seems a guy went 83 00:05:53,879 --> 00:05:56,800 into a Philadelphia bank and cash five brand worth of traverse, 84 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,720 so that interviewing that you may not be widow aff 85 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,600 The guy who passed the checks identified himself as doctor 86 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:05,399 David Wicker. 87 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 4: Look, Murray, if anyone knows Wagner's business, it's you. You 88 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,920 handled his insurancely travelers checks. Well, didn't Wagner sign these checks? 89 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:24,720 It looks like. 90 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 7: His signature mcinally, but I don't see how it could be. 91 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,519 Speaker 3: Why not the clerk who gave him the money identified 92 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,040 him perfect. He could be wrong. 93 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 7: Five people can look at one man and. 94 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: He can give a different description of it. 95 00:06:37,879 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 4: But they all couldn't forget a signature like this. 96 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 12: No, the prisons are full of men who could write 97 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,279 your signature blind for you. 98 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:47,079 Speaker 4: Know Wagner signed these chicks, Murray, why don't you admit it? 99 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: Look, McAnally, you're not just that need to verify his signature. 100 00:06:52,199 --> 00:06:54,279 You want me to say that David Wagner is alive. 101 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:55,120 Doesn't this prove it? 102 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,399 Speaker 7: McAnally? Will you listen to me for a minute. 103 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:00,519 Speaker 3: I want to see David Wagner. I have as much 104 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:01,360 as anyone else. 105 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 7: But to go on such flimsy evidence as a check 106 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,120 that could have been forced to raise a woman's hopes 107 00:07:08,199 --> 00:07:09,639 that her husband is alive. 108 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,399 Speaker 4: They're reasonable, Maraye. I don't know what Wagoner's up to, 109 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:15,319 but since he's on a disappearing actor sometime, well. 110 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: I don't see it. I don't see it at all. 111 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,279 What reason could he have for making believe he was dead? 112 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,399 I don't know. That's what I have to find out. 113 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:33,160 Where do you begin? 114 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 8: Where do you find the reason for a respected, successful 115 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,240 man suddenly vanishing without a trace? Somewhere in this man's life, 116 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,600 they must be an answer. They have to pure and hidden, 117 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,720 But you know it has to be there. You ask 118 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:51,959 the woman who's closest to him. If anyone holds the key, 119 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:53,199 it must be his. 120 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,959 Speaker 9: Why no, No, there's nothing. You're all wrong with methan. No, 121 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,839 it isn't so if you're alive, you do with me. 122 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,040 You can come back. It was home and his children, 123 00:08:02,199 --> 00:08:03,439 but he is alone. 124 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,279 Speaker 3: He hasn't come back. 125 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:09,399 Speaker 9: It has to be bad. David would never stay a 126 00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:10,839 where he's sick. He has to be. 127 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: Sometimes, Missus Wegner, things get so real you can't believe. 128 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:22,439 They swell up the big right in front of your eyes. 129 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,480 But you don't see them. 130 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 13: Because you don't. 131 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: No would try to understand. I say, your husband's alone? 132 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,240 Why hasn't come home? I don't mean that you've got 133 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:39,639 to help with. 134 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:49,039 Speaker 8: Sunday the wind from the lake whipped sharply against the window, 135 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,320 and the cold comes into the rooms. You want to 136 00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:57,440 run outside and get away, but you can't. You have 137 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,000 to sit there and watch as part of a woman's life. 138 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: I slept away. 139 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 9: I've tried to think of a reason, but there doesn't 140 00:09:06,159 --> 00:09:12,080 seem to be in except except for something I might 141 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:12,600 have done. 142 00:09:12,799 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 4: I don't think tell name, Missus Wagner, was your husband 143 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,679 is dead? Perhaps trouble at sometimes? 144 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:20,639 Speaker 9: I don't think you could find time for trouble? 145 00:09:20,639 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 3: What do you mean? 146 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 9: Seemed to be busy every minute that it is worth it. 147 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,879 Athletic Club is taking moment. 148 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,919 Speaker 3: Yes, this portrait on the wall, I've been looking. 149 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,759 Speaker 9: At it, that's one of theys. Isn't it good? Very 150 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,039 The Willard argus in once to have an exhibition. 151 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 6: Is just his word. 152 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 3: The ways the place of this girl almost lifelike. It 153 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:42,759 seems to me I might know her. Do you know 154 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:43,799 her name? Missus Wagner? 155 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 9: I don't know. She told him my husband a few times. 156 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:53,320 I'm sorry because you so much trouble mister Matthanhun. 157 00:09:53,639 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 4: I guess it the other way around. 158 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 3: It's become just a little more than a story to me. 159 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:13,279 Speaker 4: I mean this all all away, let's finish. 160 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,159 Speaker 3: Who are you mcinally? I'm with the Cleveland Music. 161 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:18,519 Speaker 6: Just taking a pearl or something? 162 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:19,799 Speaker 4: Can I come in? 163 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,879 Speaker 9: Okay? 164 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 3: Miss Jenny Logans. 165 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 6: The right buttons? 166 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 3: I need to sell, Nae. 167 00:10:29,159 --> 00:10:31,399 Speaker 4: I'm doing a little research and a guy named David 168 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:32,879 Wagner see art agency. 169 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: Dave your name? 170 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 6: What kind of resist? I just modeled for him a 171 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:38,200 few times. 172 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: You heard about his accent? That yeah, rough on his 173 00:10:44,519 --> 00:10:46,320 wife's kid? 174 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 13: You do that? Oh? 175 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,759 Speaker 3: Now does this make come as a shock? N David 176 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,000 Wagner is still alive. 177 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 9: You're crazy. 178 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 3: The paper already was strong, but they never found the body. 179 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,759 Wasn't all that water going over the daint? 180 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 9: What happened. 181 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: Over the boil? Over on the store? 182 00:11:12,159 --> 00:11:14,879 Speaker 6: And finally it's coming to me like. 183 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: The know how it is. I just have to check 184 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,120 up on everyone. By the way, you seemed to be 185 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,960 kind of hipped on, misteries yourself. What are you miss 186 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:29,159 a book you've got here? Living? 187 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 9: Or don't you open that book? 188 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 6: Why don't you mind your own business? 189 00:11:32,639 --> 00:11:33,799 Speaker 14: I didn't ask you to come up here and go 190 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:34,519 swooping around. 191 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 9: Now get out of here before I call the super 192 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:37,000 you hear me? 193 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:37,639 Speaker 15: Get up? 194 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:38,399 Speaker 4: Get up? 195 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: Oh miss? Did you help me? 196 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:53,639 Speaker 6: He tried to the lady's happening? 197 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:55,879 Speaker 3: Sorry, Now what is it? 198 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 9: You wanted? 199 00:11:56,639 --> 00:11:57,039 Speaker 3: A book? 200 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 9: Naturally? That's such fun. 201 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: It's just cheap little detective name The Living Court The. 202 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 10: Living Court. 203 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 9: Service by Leo Tolst story it is, of course, it's 204 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,039 a wonderful story. 205 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 8: Don't you know. 206 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: I'm afraid not. 207 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 9: It's all about a well established man who takes his 208 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,759 own death so. 209 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 6: That he can escape from a wife. 210 00:12:19,159 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 9: You know, long's here for. Then, by taking on the 211 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:23,440 moon name, he goes away with his teeth hat to 212 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,240 begin life a beautiful story. 213 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,519 Speaker 10: But don't you walk the book. 214 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:30,919 Speaker 7: The door quietly? 215 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:45,919 Speaker 6: Cash Man, one way to get to New York and hurry. 216 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,159 Speaker 3: Joying someplace, Jenny. 217 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,159 Speaker 2: We'll be back in just a moment with tonight's big story. 218 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,039 Speaker 12: This is Sy Harris returning it to your narrator and 219 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:24,600 the big story of Ike McAnally as he lives it and. 220 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:30,519 Speaker 8: Books you Ike Mcinally, if the Cleveland News should now 221 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:33,639 find yourself in the middle of the strangest story you've 222 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,840 ever come. You know that doctor David Wagner made it 223 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:41,919 appear that he'd been killed. For a while, the idea 224 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,799 doesn't make sense. Wagner was living in a secure, respected life, 225 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,200 married in the two kids. Why should he want to disappear? 226 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,080 But then you hit upon an answer, the famous book 227 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,559 for the plot that gives you the read. 228 00:14:06,919 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: Going Someplace, Jenny, You were an awful hurry Jenny always 229 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:16,559 at the cabs stand, remembered you, Well. 230 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,159 Speaker 6: You could have brought me a box of candy. That's 231 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:20,440 all I'm going on my vacation. 232 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: That's in the waiting room. 233 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 14: It's not so noisy, okay, I can give you a minute. 234 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:35,200 That's well that's on your mind. 235 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,799 Speaker 3: That book Jenny a living corpse, but toll sat David 236 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,759 Wagner gave it to you. He gave it to you, 237 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:42,159 and now you're leaving the meeting. 238 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,919 Speaker 6: You're crazy. I haven't seen him in months. 239 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: You're lying. 240 00:14:44,879 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 4: Wagner's in lovely. 241 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:46,679 Speaker 6: Why don't you let me alone? 242 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,279 Speaker 3: That's between you and Wagner. 243 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 4: He's got a wife and kids. 244 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,679 Speaker 3: Remember, what can I do about it? You can let 245 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:55,519 him alone, come back where he belongs. 246 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:02,039 Speaker 9: You don't know what he is. Something you can't stop. 247 00:15:02,919 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 15: Jump in front of a train and see if you'll 248 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:09,639 even slow it down. This is the same way David, me, you, 249 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:14,440 and his wife. None of us can do anything about it, and. 250 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:16,759 Speaker 3: You are in love with you. 251 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 6: Hum this is the thing I want to lie about. 252 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,480 It's something too good for that. 253 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 3: Taking a man awaiting me, oh, leaving a wife and 254 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:32,000 children without a dime. You can't call that good. 255 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 6: David left to you. Sure, fifty thousand dollars, but. 256 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:36,519 Speaker 3: The company won't pay off. 257 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 6: We've got a right to our lives to do what 258 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:39,120 we want. 259 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,159 Speaker 3: If you don't hurt anyone by doing it. 260 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,799 Speaker 6: You can't stop us. We're not breaking any law. 261 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,559 Speaker 4: But I can't spread your pictures over every front page 262 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,120 in the country. 263 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: They'll be known everywhere. 264 00:15:49,559 --> 00:15:50,639 Speaker 4: You'll never get a minute's rest. 265 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:51,519 Speaker 3: You right, all right? 266 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 6: What do you want me to do? 267 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,679 Speaker 3: Promise me that whatever wherever you and Wagoner go, you 268 00:15:56,799 --> 00:15:58,879 let us know where you are the names you're using. 269 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 13: We will, we will. 270 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,159 Speaker 3: I want your promise that Wagner will always provide for expanding. 271 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:08,639 I can't stop you from going to it, but I 272 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:09,919 can't make you give me a word on. 273 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,279 Speaker 6: That takes chamiy some. 274 00:16:31,039 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: I'm sorry to bust in on you like this, Miss Wagner, 275 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:33,960 but it's important. 276 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,759 Speaker 10: Sounded so excited on the phone. 277 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: I should have now here. 278 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,799 Speaker 7: Look at this a money order paying the premium due 279 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,159 on your husband's insurance. 280 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: I don't understand who's this Charles Arnold who signed the 281 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:49,480 money order? 282 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,879 Speaker 7: Ida, there's something funny about this? 283 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: What's the matter? 284 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,399 Speaker 9: It's the money order? 285 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: You recognize it? 286 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 6: The letter? 287 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,399 Speaker 15: Why see it's the place where the line he breaks 288 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:02,559 off and the V how the side of. 289 00:17:02,559 --> 00:17:05,319 Speaker 9: It's ins out. This is type down my husband's machine. 290 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 6: I know it's a portable he took away. 291 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 5: With him, and this clue makes the signature on the 292 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:10,160 travelers checked mean something. 293 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 7: Now I'm convinced that mcanally's right. 294 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 6: Your husband is alive, and with this we're going to 295 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:15,160 find him. 296 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:28,799 Speaker 3: My apologies, Ike, here's some evidence. 297 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:29,319 Speaker 8: To prove you are right. 298 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 4: Thanks Mary. 299 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:32,799 Speaker 3: You're sure this type checks for your husband's machine, Missus Wagner, 300 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:33,559 Of course it does. 301 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,839 Speaker 9: I'm certain, mister Mthana, Well, what. 302 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 4: Do you make of it? 303 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: I think David Wagner is still alive, naturally he is. 304 00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:39,720 But where? 305 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,759 Speaker 4: I hate to disappoint you, Murray, but I don't know that. 306 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 7: The money order was sent from New York track him 307 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,519 from there? What's the matter with you? Don't you want 308 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:50,079 to find him? 309 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,599 Speaker 4: I don't think McAnally you're out of your mind. 310 00:17:55,319 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 9: I'm sure mister McAnally knows what he's doing. 311 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 3: This is Wagner. I think you've known all along that 312 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,920 I was right Your husband was a liar. 313 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 9: Yes, I've known. 314 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: I've found out why you went away, and I want 315 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:12,480 you to know that too. 316 00:18:12,599 --> 00:18:13,799 Speaker 7: Have you been holding out on us? 317 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 4: You're just a price tender, Marina, Keep quiet, all right? 318 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 3: Go ahead. I wouldn't tell you, Missus Wagner. I didn't 319 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:23,559 think you'd. 320 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 13: Understand and accepted I'll try. 321 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 3: Where is the place? I don't know. It's not important now. 322 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,039 The real thing is why you went away. I think 323 00:18:35,079 --> 00:18:35,960 he was crazy for doing it. 324 00:18:36,079 --> 00:18:38,759 Speaker 9: You haven't told me why your. 325 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 3: Husband went away, missus Wagner, because he fell in love 326 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:43,960 with another woman. Did you have to tell her that 327 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,079 she wants to live with a truth? It would you 328 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,039 wanted to tell you, didn't you? 329 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 9: Yeah? 330 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 3: I guess I did, all right? Who's the girl? Who 331 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,519 is Jenny Logan, one of the models for that pa? 332 00:18:56,519 --> 00:19:02,519 Where is she the girl? She confirms that idea and 333 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,440 you let her go to it. No one could have 334 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:05,759 stopped her, and she loved David. 335 00:19:05,839 --> 00:19:07,759 Speaker 9: She would have gotten to him some way, yes, but she. 336 00:19:07,839 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 3: Was the only trace to your husband. 337 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 5: Macannally, you've deliberately let her go. You threw away our 338 00:19:13,279 --> 00:19:14,319 only chance of finding him. 339 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: Aurry listen, saw you listen? 340 00:19:16,519 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 5: You've been going around crying how sorry you were for 341 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,000 missus Wagner, and how rotten the company was not to pay. 342 00:19:21,839 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: Off the insurance. I'm trying to hell. Oh sure you are. 343 00:19:24,279 --> 00:19:26,319 Speaker 5: That's why you turn this girl loose to break up 344 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,839 her family. McAnally, You're a fake. You just want a story. 345 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,359 You don't give a second thought to this family. 346 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 9: What's the sense of it is? 347 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 6: Even if David did some there, he'd always been lost 348 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:40,559 to me. 349 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:53,759 Speaker 8: Now it's three miles back to the office, and you 350 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,559 walk every step of it. You think of Jenny Logan 351 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,680 in the promise she'd made. There should have been some 352 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:04,599 word by now. He had plenty of time. I'd like 353 00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:05,799 David wag Now. 354 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,599 Speaker 3: She too had disappeared. And as the weeks and months 355 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,720 go by, the pot of for get that, it was 356 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,160 you who'd better go. 357 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,319 Speaker 4: McAnally, This is Murray. 358 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 3: I've got some news for you. What's up. 359 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,039 Speaker 11: I just thought you'd like to know that David Wagner's 360 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:29,160 insurance policy expires. 361 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 3: Tonight at twelve o'clock. 362 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 11: Accordingly, premium hasn't been paid. 363 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 3: Nothing's come in since the last money I showed you. 364 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:36,359 Now you're telling me, why didn't you let me know sooner? 365 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 4: I could raised the money, says Wagner told me not 366 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:42,559 to return. Problem, she said, and just between us mcinally, 367 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,039 I don't think she cares anything. 368 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 3: Who can blame her? 369 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,319 Speaker 4: But that policies are one protection you can't temple. 370 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 3: Oh but the company can. Sorry, Maybe now you know 371 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:54,319 what a mess you've made of things? 372 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 6: Why is David? 373 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 13: We're celebrating jenny last day in Vienna? And now now 374 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,279 where do we run to another city? 375 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 9: What name shall we use there? 376 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:36,079 Speaker 13: Cheer up Jenny if you like, We'll keep the ones 377 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:41,039 we have. Now there's the truth, Joanna and George. 378 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 6: I don't think I complained. 379 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:48,559 Speaker 16: It's been wonderful all of us. 380 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 6: I've seen all the places I used to. 381 00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:56,079 Speaker 13: Read about, and the clod the justice, beautiful lady said 382 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:03,079 they were I saw you, pack man. I'm sending in 383 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,480 my kid sister to be crazy about you, dear little Jenny. 384 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:09,880 They were thinking about. 385 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,039 Speaker 6: Home and you have you forgotten? 386 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:14,759 Speaker 3: No? 387 00:22:16,279 --> 00:22:16,839 Speaker 13: I remember. 388 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 6: It's like that that you gave me. The people in 389 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:25,200 it tried to forget. They tried to build a world 390 00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:26,880 between themselves and the past. 391 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,599 Speaker 13: That they couldn't everything. 392 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:36,039 Speaker 6: And I think, Davie, we just too. 393 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,319 Speaker 13: But our lives back home have also ended. 394 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 16: And I keep thinking about what that reporter said to you. 395 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,640 We've got to write to our own lives to do 396 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:54,319 what we want. As long as you don't hurt anybody's ideas, you. 397 00:22:54,480 --> 00:23:00,519 Speaker 13: Keep your class. I'm taking care of everything of a woman. 398 00:23:01,559 --> 00:23:02,079 Speaker 9: And that's. 399 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 3: What shall I do about it. 400 00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:09,519 Speaker 9: You decide. 401 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,799 Speaker 13: I'm not afraid, then we'll all. 402 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:19,559 Speaker 3: Oh. 403 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:28,079 Speaker 13: Look out of the wind again, the beautiful world, and 404 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,720 but for you, I'd never seen. 405 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 3: I love you and. 406 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 7: M h. 407 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 3: Together. 408 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 8: Oh the news comes back, and you've got the story 409 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,400 of a girl who believes in paying off on a bargain. 410 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,319 The words you write come slow and hard, but this 411 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,559 is a story that touches the lives of everyone around it. 412 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:16,920 On a warm spring day in Viennam it ended Jenny 413 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,519 Logan and David Wagner, but be you and the others, 414 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,920 it will always live in memory. 415 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 2: In just a moment, we'll read you a telegram from 416 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,279 Mike mc and elly or the Cleveland News with a 417 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:54,920 final outcome of tonight's big story. Now we read you 418 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,480 that telegram from Mike mc and elly or the Cleveland News. 419 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:02,079 Speaker 4: Subsequent investigation into night Fix story revealed fact that David 420 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,880 Wagner left evidence in his room in Vienna as to 421 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,559 his and Jenny's real identity. The double suicide took place 422 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,720 an hour before midnight, the day the insurance policy was 423 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,160 to expire, so that missus Wagner could colect the fifty 424 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,000 thousand dollars Aye sincere appreciation for the Night's Palmel Award. 425 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,559 Speaker 2: Thank you, mister mcinally. The makers of pell Mell so 426 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,519 proud to have named you the winner of the Pell 427 00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:26,519 Mail five hundred dollars Award for notable service in the 428 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:27,440 field of Journalism. 429 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 12: Listen again next week, same time, same station, when Pell 430 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,240 Mell will present another Big Story, A big Story from 431 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:40,880 the front pages of the Seattle Times Byeline Don Magnuson, 432 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:44,359 a big story about a reporter who made a winner 433 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,640 out of a three time loser. 434 00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 2: The Big Story is produced by BERNARDJ. Pote with music 435 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,519 by Line them z Linski. The night's program was written 436 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:06,160 by Alvin Varitz. The narator was Bob Sloan and Sydney 437 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,480 Smith laid by the Mike Mcanala. In order to protect 438 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:15,160 the names of people actually involved in Tonight's authentic Big Story, 439 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:18,519 the names of all characters in the dramatization were changed, 440 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:29,759 with the exception of the reporter mister mcinally. Saturday, March 441 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:32,759 twelve mark the thirty seventh birthday of the Girl Scouts 442 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:36,240 in the United States. This is Girl Scouts Week. 443 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,759 Speaker 1: Welcome Back. Sydney Smith is another one of those actors 444 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,960 who worked in a great detective series starring as Ellery 445 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,880 Queen for quite a while. In addition to mister Smith, 446 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:58,079 the cast included Amber, Agnes Young, Lyle Sudro, and Ted Alsborn. 447 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,160 I will say first off that our really don't like 448 00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:06,960 this title because obviously the chemist was not dead and 449 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:13,720 there has to be something more appropriate. But it's one 450 00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:16,720 of those cases. It's the second straight day I'm using 451 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,279 a title. I'm not crazy about. The issue with the 452 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,799 Larry Simons case. Yesterday was minor in that the spelling 453 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,400 really is Simmons that are on the files, but there 454 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,920 are too many ms if you listen to any appropriate 455 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:36,079 spelling of Simons. This is a little more gregious, But 456 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,200 again I'm not trying to compound confusion out there in 457 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:45,440 the larger old time radio collecting community by adding alternate titles. 458 00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:50,440 But beyond that, I thought this was a really solid episode. 459 00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:54,799 Most of the time, it is pretty straightforward on this 460 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:59,160 series to just solve whatever the case is, but this 461 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,599 one portrayed some of the complexities that can enter into this, 462 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,000 particularly when you're dealing with a case. Where As he said, 463 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:14,319 there's no crime, so you can't make these people do anything, 464 00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:19,839 and so all McNally could do was bring some pressure on, 465 00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:23,880 which is what he did. And I really thought it 466 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,359 was a great scene where they confronted him and he 467 00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:33,920 told the wife about the affair, and it's just such 468 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,519 a great conflict, you know, where she wants to know 469 00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:44,240 but she doesn't, And you know, I think it's very 470 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,039 realistically written, particularly within the guidance of the times, and 471 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,000 I think it's a bit more of a complex case 472 00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:00,359 from both a moral and emotional perspective. Now terms of 473 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:06,799 the story itself, it's pretty close to what actually happened 474 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,480 in the core facts. The time frame is a big difference. 475 00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:19,440 The actual disappearance happened in late nineteen twenty nine, which 476 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:25,400 would be important now. By this point mcinally had actually 477 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:29,279 moved on to the New York Daily News, but back 478 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,440 in nineteen twenty nine, he had been on the Cleveland 479 00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:37,279 News and wrote about the disappearance of doctor Ernest Waltsall. 480 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:44,559 One minor difference was that the lover was Waltsall's private secretary, 481 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,279 but she also did modeling, and she also disappeared, and 482 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,000 she was married and her husband actually sued Waltsall for 483 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,920 loss of affection, even though he could theoretically be dad 484 00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:06,799 now doing this in nineteen twenty nine probably assured the 485 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:16,200 result of the suicide because essentially they ran on like 486 00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:21,240 a worldwide track. They went to New York and got married, 487 00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:29,319 obviously not legally, and then they fled to Canada, they 488 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:36,359 nearly got caught, and they went to Tokyo and then 489 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,880 to India couldn't find work, and then they went to Europe. 490 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,680 And again we're quoting from the stories behind the big 491 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:50,119 story here, doctor Joe Webb, and so they got fake 492 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,599 passports and ended up in Austria, and the money that 493 00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:58,200 he'd been carrying with him began to run out, and 494 00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:01,359 so then you had this more or suicide, and it 495 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,759 was done on the day that the next premium was due. 496 00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:11,799 Now there's no information here in doctor Joe Webb's analysis 497 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,319 that it was done as mcinally said in the episode 498 00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:22,079 an hour before midnight. That sounds really dramatic, but it 499 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:28,240 raises some key question because an hour before midnight the 500 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,519 end of time is not an hour before midnight Cleveland time, 501 00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:38,000 you know, Eastern I believe, or New York time, depending 502 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,839 on I guess on where the insurance policy was at. 503 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:44,319 So as dramatic as the whole last hour was, I 504 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,200 don't think that's justified at all. 505 00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 15: Now. 506 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: The biggest inaccuracy, though, did not actually come from the 507 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,440 news reporting or from the narration of the story. 508 00:31:58,359 --> 00:31:59,319 Speaker 11: It came. 509 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:06,319 Speaker 1: Our librarian. Now, if you'll recall, I thought that The 510 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:12,279 Living Corpse was some sort of like pulp novel, but 511 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:18,480 it was actually by Leo Tolstoy and it was a play, 512 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,440 And she didn't correct him on what it was. But 513 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,119 here's how she described the play. Well, it's all about 514 00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:31,920 a respectable, well established man who fakes his own death 515 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:34,039 so that he can escape from a wife he no 516 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,599 longer cares for. Then, by taking on a new name, 517 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,599 he goes away with his sweetheart to begin a new life. 518 00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:45,960 It's a beautiful story. I don't want to be a poser. 519 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:52,000 I am not some expert on Leo Tolstoy, but as 520 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:55,720 someone who has been educated at all, I think had 521 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,680 some in high school and had something I had to 522 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,160 read with him from human college. I mean, that sounds 523 00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:06,000 like a harlequin romance novel, and so I looked it 524 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,240 up and no, that is not the plot of the 525 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:13,599 play The Living Corpse at all. But I do understand 526 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,519 why it was referenced, because the story does parallel both 527 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,079 what happened in this episode as well as the real 528 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:30,200 life incident. The man runs away, not primarily to be 529 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:36,880 with the sweetheart, but because he can't deal with responsibility. 530 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:40,759 He runs away from it, and the relationship with the 531 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,759 woman he'd fallen for pretty much falls apart, and he 532 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,079 runs away from that too when her family doesn't approve 533 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:54,039 of him. But his lack of responsibility isn't something that 534 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,720 only has effects on him, As it turns out, his 535 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:05,359 wife actually believes he died, and then she marries again, 536 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:09,039 but then somebody finds evidence that he's still alive, and 537 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:13,000 she gets charged with bigamy, and the play ends with 538 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,760 him committing suicide, and his re emergence and committing suicide 539 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:23,320 ends up ends up clearing her of the crime and 540 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:28,199 allowing her to avoid being sent to Siberia. And the 541 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,639 events of that story really do parallel here, and you 542 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,920 can kind of feel that when you get into the 543 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:40,480 final scene there is this sense, and the way the 544 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:46,880 actors play it portrays this exhaustion with the continual running away. 545 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,840 So the living corpse is a great analogy for this story, 546 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,239 and I think an inspiration for how the writer approached it. 547 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,760 The lines given to the librarian are way off the 548 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:04,239 A part of the challenge maybe that you're wanting to 549 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:10,280 tell a dramatic story, and if she actually explained what 550 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,800 the book was about, it would become off as heavy 551 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,639 handed and it would spoil the ending. I guess if 552 00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:22,920 you want an in universe explanation, maybe she's one of 553 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:28,360 those battle librarians who wants to pretend she's read all 554 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,719 the books, but she's read whatever they had for cliff 555 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,119 Notes in nineteen twenty nine, or just saw the play 556 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,599 and is confusing it with another one. But she spoke 557 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,880 with authority. But then again, so many people who are 558 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,039 wrong do listener comments and feedback. Now and we go 559 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:55,679 over to YouTube where we have a comment regarding the 560 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,440 episode A Blond Date with Murder. Thanks so much for 561 00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:05,039 your commentary. It adds to the enjoyment that these provide. Well, 562 00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:09,199 thanks so much, And I try to add value for 563 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:13,559 each podcast that I do. I do think that the 564 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:18,440 Big Story is probably the one where the commentary is 565 00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:22,079 the most helpful because there are so many sort of 566 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,039 real life things to look into and investigate and talk about. 567 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:33,719 So I definitely, I definitely enjoy doing these particular episodes. 568 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:39,079 Jeff comments regarding the same episode on Patreon might be me, 569 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,679 but why is the reporter going into two homes where 570 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,679 there have likely been shootings and dees totally compromises the 571 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,760 crime scene. Also, the child portion of this story, as dramatized, 572 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,840 feels cartoonish and unbelievable. May worse by some of the 573 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,440 inappropriate carnival like music. The whole episode feels off to me. 574 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,480 The music part is interesting, and I'm not and I'm 575 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:13,400 not entirely sure with the music used whether the stuff 576 00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:19,440 that people have identified as circus music was something that 577 00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:23,440 was original to the program. I wouldn't think so, because 578 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,119 I've not had any complaints about the music on the 579 00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:34,800 Big Story being off, and there's no reason it should 580 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,119 be in this just in this particular episode. I'm suspecting 581 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:45,000 that this was added into the AFRs recordings because there 582 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,599 were rules about including advertisements, so they were including the 583 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,519 music to kind of transition apart where there was advertisements 584 00:37:55,679 --> 00:38:00,800 or commercial sponsors. That's my best guess. The other question 585 00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:04,639 that I could or well, I can't address, but I 586 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,000 want to address it by saying I can't address it 587 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,920 is the whole question of what was this reporter doing 588 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:18,880 and there are a couple of potential answers. There is 589 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:26,000 the radio production angle, where him going into these houses 590 00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:32,360 before running into the killer is just simplified storytelling. You've 591 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,880 got only so much time, You've already got the entire 592 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:43,519 cast doubling up. You can't really introduce a policeman on 593 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,360 the scene without complicating your story. The other possibility is that, 594 00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:55,199 keeping in mind when this occurred, the reporter actually could 595 00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:01,199 have entered the crime scene. Police were not nearly stringent 596 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,599 in some places, particularly in this area, which I believe 597 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,000 was a suburb of Pittsburgh or on the outskirts of it. 598 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,599 And you also had the fact that journalism was a 599 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,199 bit of a Wild West situation, and there were a 600 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,440 lot of reporters who were willing to do things they 601 00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:23,679 shouldn't in order to get a story. A reporter could 602 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,039 stand outside a place where a murder had occurred and 603 00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:31,920 know that ideally he should probably call the police in 604 00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:36,760 terms of civic duty, in terms of whatever understanding they 605 00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,559 had about preserving a crime scene. I've talked to people 606 00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:45,239 involved in crime scene investigation who insist the average patrol 607 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,519 men in the twenty first century sometimes aren't great at 608 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,239 preserving a crime scene or understanding what needs to be 609 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,400 done there. So the reporter could have gone in for 610 00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,920 whatever reason, or it could be some where the radio 611 00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:04,280 riters decided to take a shortcut, And unfortunately I don't 612 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,519 have that level of detail to say for sure, but 613 00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:11,320 I do appreciate the comments so much. Well, now it 614 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,960 is time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day, 615 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,000 and I want to go ahead and thank Idell, Patreon 616 00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:21,800 supporter since April twenty twenty one, currently supporting the podcast 617 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,920 at the Shawmus level of four dollars or more per months. 618 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:27,320 Thanks so much for your support, Idell, and that will 619 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,320 do it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please 620 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,480 follow us using your favorite podcast software and be sure 621 00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,639 to read and review the podcast wherever you download us from. 622 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:41,679 We will be back next Tuesday with another episode of 623 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,199 The Big Story. Next Monday, we began our second run 624 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,559 through the Saint But join us back here tomorrow for 625 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,199 Broadways my beat. 626 00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 17: Where last weeks Last week my wife made me buy 627 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,880 tickets to a play well I could get was sometime 628 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:57,519 next June. 629 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,159 Speaker 13: She was sold out that far. 630 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:06,519 Speaker 17: Nice rists, you got your past, beautiful Danny, So I 631 00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:08,280 never thought I'd stand so close to her. 632 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 3: I said, yeah, yeah, how I got here? 633 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,039 Speaker 17: It was phoned in, Danny. Anonymous call said Lily Nelson 634 00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:14,639 was in trouble. 635 00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 3: As anonymous, we got to trace her. By the time 636 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,480 you get back to the headquarters, maybe we found her 637 00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:22,239 like this. Yeah, the door was open. 638 00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 17: I walked under all these crystal chandeliers, past all the 639 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,159 mirrors underlying in front of this one, just like that, 640 00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:35,679 that material it's like a veil, Danny. 641 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 3: It's no one with her. And I looked through the house. 642 00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 17: She leavening nothing, Danny, just the razor blade by his side. 643 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:49,159 That's Lily Nelson. You gotta go to ticket Scott's begging 644 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,079 to sell you a ticket over price to so you 645 00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:51,599 can watch it. 646 00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 13: Where should she kill herself? 647 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,119 Speaker 3: For what? 648 00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:57,639 Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime, 649 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,880 send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, 650 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,280 follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us 651 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:11,000 out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. 652 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,719 This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.