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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up everyone? I'm Matt. I can hear I echo?
Speaker 2: Do you have it a pie or is it me? Anyways,
Speaker 2: I'm here with Grew. We made it. We didn't make
Speaker 2: it last week, we're here this week. Yeah, what else
Speaker 2: is there? We had one of our good friends past
Speaker 2: so I wanted to say rest in peace to Silver Pilot.
Speaker 2: He was in our city. Good chat, but he was
Speaker 2: also a very good friend to a bunch of us,
Speaker 2: and there's a huge loss. So that's the first thing
Speaker 2: I wanted to say, since we didn't get to say
Speaker 2: that last week. His family has a gofund me out there.
Speaker 2: I'm going to link it in the description after this
Speaker 2: so everybody can donate if they want to. Right now,
Speaker 2: we're up on YouTube as well as Twitch and rumble.
Speaker 2: I believe I'm having a hard time seeing any of
Speaker 2: the Rumble comments. So Mispins, if you can let me
Speaker 2: know if anything comes through, any questions or anything, you
Speaker 2: can post it through the YouTube thing maybe in all
Speaker 2: the Yeah, how's your last few weeks? Screw?
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's all right, Just I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's not all right. I lost at a harvest pretty
Speaker 3: much almost all of ole. Yeah, and it's it's my
Speaker 3: own fault, you know. So what was in it? Uh,
Speaker 3: surying eighteen garbage clown ghost by d kim d Byrene
Speaker 3: a okay, amount of triangle choke and most of the Tuscan.
Speaker 2: Leather So Tuscan left leather.
Speaker 3: And lost all of the fire line too that I had. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'd been flowering it for like ten weeks already. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So clowns of YouTube this week? We can we
Speaker 2: have some clowns of YouTube.
Speaker 3: I can do.
Speaker 2: I can always do a clown of YouTube. Someone asked
Speaker 2: that on Rumble. All right, So we had we did
Speaker 2: have a chat Friday night on our discord. So people
Speaker 2: that are part of that got to be a part
Speaker 2: of that, and that was that was an interesting chat
Speaker 2: to say least. But you always get to hear It's
Speaker 2: always entertaining no matter what. It was pretty fun, funny
Speaker 2: and fun, and I think Screw has found his way
Speaker 2: to the Lord.
Speaker 3: Yeah, eh, how have you seen.
Speaker 2: Have you seen? It's only been in posts. I know
Speaker 2: Beer Brothers Farm put up a post but I can't
Speaker 2: find it. And they were talking about uh Fetterman, who
Speaker 2: is I don't know's he a congressman or some kind
Speaker 2: of shithead politician. But they're trying to push through descheduling
Speaker 2: cannabis completely. I don't know if you've seen this.
Speaker 3: No, I have not. I mean I there going on politically,
Speaker 3: so yeah, there, I have not seen any of that
Speaker 3: pop up, just with everything going on.
Speaker 2: Uh, there's no good sources for it. I will say,
Speaker 2: like great Beer Brothers, I'm not sure what their sourcing was.
Speaker 2: Usually they have good sourcing, but like saying and not
Speaker 2: talking to it on Beer Brothers because I read their
Speaker 2: stuff too, they do a good job. But other than that,
Speaker 2: like I couldn't find their source or any of the
Speaker 2: sources people were reposting and you know the YouTuber YouTube
Speaker 2: we guys were talking about. But yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't see the scheduling happening because that would just compete
Speaker 2: with all the people who are in the current cabinet
Speaker 2: and have donated to the current cabinet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, there's there's a like,
Speaker 3: you know, there's a no clear path forward really because
Speaker 3: it's kind of been along the whole way ben a clusterfuck.
Speaker 3: You know. They were like, hey, when they they fucking
Speaker 3: made it illegal, you know, but then made tax stamps,
Speaker 3: and then to get the tax stamp he had to
Speaker 3: have the product, which this was all from my understanding,
Speaker 3: it was all about himp anyways, and like the guy
Speaker 3: turning in h like he was growing him like a
Speaker 3: normal fucking dude. Yeah, you know, then they made it
Speaker 3: legal for like a year or something like that, while
Speaker 3: they're doing the whole like, you know, scheduling things, setting
Speaker 3: that whole ship up, and then they didn't even use
Speaker 3: the fucking recommendation they were given or so, like every
Speaker 3: step of the way it's been fucked up, so I'm
Speaker 3: not surprised that every step forward is also fucked up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what do you do at this point? Descheduling it entirely
Speaker 3: would be weird, and.
Speaker 2: I don't change because how would they want to do that?
Speaker 3: Then they wouldn't I mean how do you make I
Speaker 3: don't know, I just I don't see that happening. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you know, decriminalization would probably be best, so they
Speaker 3: could be like, hey, we'll still arrest you if you're
Speaker 3: selling weed, but like you can just have it and
Speaker 3: you can grow it, you know, like you could have
Speaker 3: your own ship. That would be cool. I don't see
Speaker 3: that happening either though, you know, like because it's you
Speaker 3: can't really make money off of that, yep. So any
Speaker 3: they're just trying to do the best that they can
Speaker 3: to still you know, milk as much money of it
Speaker 3: as possible, which this would honestly the whole like having
Speaker 3: it schedule one and schedule three. Yeah, you know, makes it.
Speaker 3: That's kind of like you know, uh, Texas doing the
Speaker 3: whole fucking loophole thing. It's why a lot of the
Speaker 3: costs will still the rescue. They don't give a shit,
Speaker 3: you know, even if it legitimately is like a CBD
Speaker 3: style like HEMP.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they still.
Speaker 3: Get the you know, they get money from the licensing
Speaker 3: and all of that stuff and the rent, you know,
Speaker 3: like all of this stuff that involved in having the
Speaker 3: storefront and all of that, and they also gake money from
Speaker 3: fucking arresting the users and.
Speaker 2: The people who put into their political donation campaigns, they
Speaker 2: be at the top, like truly, and I when you
Speaker 2: have to say allegedly because they've given one point five
Speaker 2: billion dollars or million, now a billion or million, it
Speaker 2: was a lot the current administration between two years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it's been made very clear. I
Speaker 3: don't know, uh if someone hasn't realized yet, but if
Speaker 3: you have money right now, you can do a lot
Speaker 3: with it, much more so than any other time. So
Speaker 3: if you don't like most of the people, most of
Speaker 3: not just I mean people in Weed, even the rich
Speaker 3: people in Weed aren't rich the way that they think
Speaker 3: they are, you know, like yeah, not the way that
Speaker 3: actual rich people are at least, And so I just
Speaker 3: I don't see why anyone would expect it to work
Speaker 3: out in their advance, you know, like, oh, you're looking
Speaker 3: out for me? Why broke fuck get out of here,
Speaker 3: you know, like you you know.
Speaker 2: To me, it's like the UFO people waiting for uh
Speaker 2: like disclosure from our government, and it's like why they're
Speaker 2: just gonna fucking dangle a carrot and let you keep
Speaker 2: walking along like.
Speaker 3: A yeah, bro, it made a guy go crazy, like
Speaker 3: on purpose, just fucking with him. Yes, Like, what makes
Speaker 3: you think they give a fuck about like you know
Speaker 3: you when of.
Speaker 2: My friends wrote the book Mirage Men about that and
Speaker 2: documentary if anybody wants to watch it.
Speaker 3: It's very good. Dude. It was so fucked up because like,
Speaker 3: obviously that guy has talent and signal intelligence. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe try and fucking broke him in find
Speaker 3: that because he just found the flaw in your Yeah,
Speaker 3: come on, dude, no, you make him go lose his
Speaker 3: fucking mind over a long period of time of intentionally
Speaker 3: fucking with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, anyways, Yeah, it's a it's a wild story.
Speaker 2: That guy was actually already well on his way out
Speaker 2: to being full on cuckoo. He was like doing reverse hypno,
Speaker 2: he wasn't even a hypnotist, but he was doing reverse
Speaker 2: hypnosis in the back of Cadillac with women. Like he
Speaker 2: was already pretty out there. But what's funny is the
Speaker 2: guy who caused all the damage that worked for the AFOSI,
Speaker 2: a guy named Richard Juddy. He's still hanging around like
Speaker 2: a turn in a punch bowl, telling stories like the
Speaker 2: evil guy that helped drive him nuts. Rearrange his house
Speaker 2: all kinds of shit. Yeah, But I mean, to me,
Speaker 2: I just look at a lot of the rescheduling constantly,
Speaker 2: constantly trying to sell people who are smokers on the
Speaker 2: idea that they have their back somehow is laughable. But again,
Speaker 2: like like I saw recently, you know, when we talk
Speaker 2: about stuff in Discord and wherever, a lot of people
Speaker 2: still think everything is one hundred legal and they don't
Speaker 2: get it. They really, they really truly believe that. But
Speaker 2: now I also am getting tons of questions about like, hey, uh,
Speaker 2: what's up with the band on everything coming? You know,
Speaker 2: the seed band And apparently they are going to be
Speaker 2: taken down websites and all kinds of stuff and making
Speaker 2: it very hard for people to access seeds. So keep
Speaker 2: that in mind people.
Speaker 3: That whole seed thing is. I feel like that's going
Speaker 3: to be just a fucking hamster wheel for the next
Speaker 3: two three years of people asking and worried and all
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, it sucks. It sucks, but it's I mean,
Speaker 2: it's always been that for a lot of us. So
Speaker 2: it's like, what do you change?
Speaker 3: You know, you know, I sometimes think about like because like,
Speaker 3: in a way I was hampered living where I do geographically,
Speaker 3: you know, where, like I could have progressed a lot
Speaker 3: faster had I lived other places. Yeah, but it also,
Speaker 3: you know, thanks to to it, I still operate the same,
Speaker 3: you know way as always, So it's kind of like impervious.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was thinking about something we could add
Speaker 2: to the show every once in a while. And I've
Speaker 2: talked about are the Connoisseur on here a lot and
Speaker 2: and kind of my hunt for him to try to
Speaker 2: one track him down to see if we could get
Speaker 2: him to do an interview, and three like make people
Speaker 2: more aware of what he wrote and why he was
Speaker 2: so admired during the times he was, you know, admired.
Speaker 2: And I thought, what better way than to start out
Speaker 2: with some of his early articles.
Speaker 3: Right, And.
Speaker 2: I actually own these copies, so I don't where's the
Speaker 2: goud bannerd that says very used. Here we go, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there we go, very used to the transformative work that
Speaker 2: he's reading of some of the articles. Video is not
Speaker 2: simply a copy of the original, but for commenting and
Speaker 2: critiquing or artistically sharing information with the public. All rights reserved. Yeah,
Speaker 2: content is always intended for adults.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: So this is our the dope Conossewer. Let's see. I
Speaker 2: usually put the magazine it was in so people can
Speaker 2: reference it right here, and this is January of nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty there. But this article is called the Great ty
Speaker 2: Stick Mystery. Now, if you're thinking like back to nineteen eighty,
Speaker 2: I wasn't even born yet. I didn't show up until
Speaker 2: near the end of eighty one, so this is before
Speaker 2: my time. But I don't really think about like ty
Speaker 2: stick being lost by nineteen eighty. But apparently like it
Speaker 2: was very hard for people, very dialed in to find
Speaker 2: really good tie stick. And I don't know what's a
Speaker 2: good way. Should I just start reading and we call
Speaker 2: we comment on it, well.
Speaker 3: What parts, what parts stuck out to the most, or
Speaker 3: like because you were not around then, you know, like
Speaker 3: reading it now with you know, you're I guess retrospectively,
Speaker 3: you know, like reading it now, what is like?
Speaker 2: Oh hey, I think one of the most interesting things
Speaker 2: is that he wasn't just talking about tie sticks specifically.
Speaker 2: He does talk about the Mayo tribesmen, he doesn't really
Speaker 2: go specifically into Laosian though I don't know if Laos
Speaker 2: was like called Laos at the time. I mean he
Speaker 2: talks about Kim Vietnam, but he said the key is
Speaker 2: the Mayo tribesman and one of the most famous ties
Speaker 2: is the Mayoo tie, which I believe was in that
Speaker 2: uh p K had handed me some some buds. He said,
Speaker 2: were you know they sound like how I described Frankie
Speaker 2: church Epiff the h one back in the day, and
Speaker 2: he actually followed through with it. I wanted to mention
Speaker 2: that too, so shout out to nobody's nurseries. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: I don't really get along with the dude, but he
Speaker 2: did a big pop. Found this inside of Doctee's work,
Speaker 2: which does have some meal tie in it, So I
Speaker 2: thought that was very interesting. What else have we got
Speaker 2: in here? Well, I I guess I could start it off. Uh.
Speaker 2: At last I can report this is obviously are the
Speaker 2: dope connoisseur are talking? Ron Rosenbaum. At least I can
Speaker 2: report I saw the Great Tystick Mystery, a puzzle that
Speaker 2: is perplexed puffers for years. What did become of Thaie?
Speaker 2: It's a complex story involving international intrigue, revolutionary upheaviles, but
Speaker 2: it has a happy ending, So let's start with that.
Speaker 2: Strangely enough, it was in Hawaii, home of the only
Speaker 2: marijuana that has ever rivaled Thai. According to him, that
Speaker 2: I rediscovered this lost treasure of Indo China and learned
Speaker 2: the secret of its mysterious mid decade disappearance. So writing
Speaker 2: in eighty it sounds like in the mid seventies I
Speaker 2: took a nosedive at some point or disappeared completely, which
Speaker 2: was new to me. Obviously, I would assume Thaie in
Speaker 2: Colombian and Mexican kind of just shared the turf. Let's see,
Speaker 2: and when the secrets. I was relactant to home in
Speaker 2: the home of a wealthy local connoisseur, and he was
Speaker 2: treating this mainland visitor to an island by island tour
Speaker 2: of the cream of his statue. May announced, now I'd
Speaker 2: like to let you smoke something really special. By that time,
Speaker 2: I was so far out in deep space from the
Speaker 2: ConA gold and puna butter, which are our names that
Speaker 2: still pop up to this day. If you look at
Speaker 2: especially in the nineties and two thousand's, early two thousand
Speaker 2: seed stuff, a lot of people were saying they were
Speaker 2: using puna butter. A lot that was one that stuck
Speaker 2: around for a long time. Much less so ConA gold.
Speaker 2: But I think people from that era remember the name
Speaker 2: ConA gold. We'd begun with. But I couldn't imagine anything
Speaker 2: more special.
Speaker 3: What was it?
Speaker 2: I asked him Tie? He said, Tie, I scotted. I
Speaker 2: thought all tie was bogus. The only stuff that reaches
Speaker 2: the mainland is second rate. Since in me I'm masquerading
Speaker 2: is tie. One of my first columns a year and
Speaker 2: a half ago, I denounced the phony Tye scam, which
Speaker 2: is interesting. I need to go back and try to
Speaker 2: find that one. I thought this is one of the earliest,
Speaker 2: so a year and a half ago, so that would
Speaker 2: have been one of the first high times was But
Speaker 2: in my first columns ye and a half go, I
Speaker 2: announced the phony Tye scam, A sad obituary about that
Speaker 2: delicious smoke. I remember that column, he said. But the
Speaker 2: international situation has changed drastically since the new regime in
Speaker 2: Cambodia Vietnam, the'se upheaval. But the key is the Mayo tribesman.
Speaker 2: Do you have something you want to fill in?
Speaker 3: Uh? Well, So, during the seventies, like the mid seventies,
Speaker 3: like seventy three, there was an uprising in Thailand and
Speaker 3: it like per sit. There was a coup later on
Speaker 3: in the seventies, so like it was, it.
Speaker 2: Was still dramatic over there, political turmoil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense, you know why it.
Speaker 2: Would have disappeared during that time, and Ar says why
Speaker 2: them said before I explained the politics of it all,
Speaker 2: Let me show you what the result has been. Five
Speaker 2: minutes later, he emerged from his air cooled walk in
Speaker 2: humidor with several glistening plastic pouches filled with thick clumps
Speaker 2: of green, gold and brown material. There were sticks Cola's
Speaker 2: Big Buds, little buds. The first thing I noticed before
Speaker 2: he even opened any of the sealed packets was the
Speaker 2: subtle gray, the subtle coloring that always that special dusky
Speaker 2: gray green that has always characterized.
Speaker 3: The very best tie.
Speaker 2: So in his mind, a special dusky gray green that
Speaker 2: would terrify me.
Speaker 3: It is weird, seeing like, because most of this stuff
Speaker 3: on the market was like, you know, just fucking like
Speaker 3: dried out in the field and stuff like that. That
Speaker 3: like that was part of the grading standards. Then was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I want to you know, it cures a certain kind
Speaker 3: of way in this area or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the color they were always analyzing the color, and
Speaker 2: I noticed that Arthur Connoisseur does that in all his articles.
Speaker 2: Then he opened them and with a rush of excitement,
Speaker 2: I sniff the pungent, musky, exotic fragrance that's peculiar to tie.
Speaker 2: Still I was skeptical. I was greedy for a taste,
Speaker 2: and almost tore the stuff out of his hands in
Speaker 2: my eagerness to roll up a joint.
Speaker 3: The very first.
Speaker 2: Tope flew me straight back to a room on New
Speaker 2: York's Greenwich Avenue, where the original Dope Taster himself first
Speaker 2: turned me on to the first big shipment of tie
Speaker 2: to reach the East coast. And who's referring to there?
Speaker 2: The original Dope Taster would have been who originally wrote
Speaker 2: as the Dope Connoisseur for High Times. But it was
Speaker 2: a very short lived thing. I remember the red velvet
Speaker 2: rug I was sitting on suddenly turning into magic carpet,
Speaker 2: rocketing me into new realms of thought and filling. It
Speaker 2: shipped me to a place no other grass grass that
Speaker 2: showed me. What was astonishing was the clarity of the impressions.
Speaker 2: I had none of the vagueness and emotional melodrama that
Speaker 2: can blur and call it the insights of some of
Speaker 2: the lesser weed highs. There was a kind of majestic
Speaker 2: detachment that was somehow not without compassion for distant earthly phenomena.
Speaker 2: I wonder what he would write about himself writing that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff today. Since tisticks had first become popular
Speaker 2: with the American gis in nearby Vietnam, it is impossible
Speaker 2: that it is possible that the grass was bred to
Speaker 2: produce a high that would afford the venerable grunt the
Speaker 2: maximum amount of detachment and well being in existence that
Speaker 2: would otherwise be intolerable. Whether or not the widespread tystick
Speaker 2: detachment can be blamed for the amorality of some of
Speaker 2: the American contact over there, which I doubt you can
Speaker 2: blame some of the American we.
Speaker 3: Whether that's retarding, Yeah, that was yeah, I mean I get,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, I get this is like,
Speaker 3: you know, this is nineteen eighty. It's not long after
Speaker 3: I don't know, people were fucking not cool about stuff, Okay,
Speaker 3: but like that's fucking stupid. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wonder if in nineteen eighty it realized how much
Speaker 2: horrible shit we did over there.
Speaker 3: No, definitely not. Yeah, I don't think anywhere anywhere near
Speaker 3: or even I guess it would be probably contextualized better then,
Speaker 3: you know, like they probably understood that the French were
Speaker 3: there for you know, decades before that. You know, things
Speaker 3: have kind of been fucked up there since World War Two,
Speaker 3: and if you were growing up at a time, you
Speaker 3: probably heard some stuff I would assume over the news.
Speaker 3: But all in all, we try and paint ourselves pretty well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see, and it talks about after the fall.
Speaker 2: After the nineteen seventy five fall of Saigon, not only
Speaker 2: did really good tie but almost all tide really began
Speaker 2: to disappear. The trouble my hosted explained was that the
Speaker 2: Mayo tribesmen left the trade and the new tie sticks
Speaker 2: began to be made by ties themselves. Okay, so Mayow
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been considered tie. Maybe they were referring to
Speaker 2: the Laotians because everything that I've heard about that the
Speaker 2: history of Thailand and they're growing.
Speaker 3: Of weed.
Speaker 2: Cast type system, was that the Laosians were the ones
Speaker 2: actually growing the weed and it was part of their
Speaker 2: culture and it was much less a part of like
Speaker 2: the aerodyite culture that the the Ties were trying to
Speaker 2: portray at that time, so they really wanted nothing to
Speaker 2: do with it as far as Thailand went. Said, yes,
Speaker 2: they had their smuggling roots for opium when he referred
Speaker 2: to the male tribesmen and weed through the Golden Triangle,
Speaker 2: and they controlled some turf in Thailand even though they
Speaker 2: weren't ethnic tie for complicated reasons having to do with
Speaker 2: the Vietnam Cambodia split and the lack of American roots
Speaker 2: and Saigon. And here's I don't know if it shows
Speaker 2: up well, but here's the picture of what little we
Speaker 2: can see of that. But and therefore, to get up
Speaker 2: the business, there was still some big demand for thie,
Speaker 2: and some of the lowland ethnic ties began to grow
Speaker 2: it themselves. Well, they didn't just know how to do it.
Speaker 2: The way the Mayos did. The stuff they grew was
Speaker 2: just ordinary. That's why the quality tie dropped. He said, yes,
Speaker 2: because tie tie is nothing like Mayo tie. If you
Speaker 2: followed me, if you're following me, let's say you will
Speaker 2: said this is obviously Mayo tie. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: the real thing. Is it coming back for real? Said
Speaker 2: that's what I've been trying to tell you, only very recently,
Speaker 2: right after Vietnamese takeover of Cambodia for some complicated reasons
Speaker 2: I don't have down clearly, the Mayos have got back
Speaker 2: into the tie stick business and where they're working with
Speaker 2: American growers on branching out from sticks into tys, Cincinnia
Speaker 2: crosses and loose Thai bud lids. This is the first
Speaker 2: big season for them, so nineteen eighty and so for
Speaker 2: most of it it is scarfed up in Hawaii and
Speaker 2: the California coast. But if things go well, Jayu and
Speaker 2: ty could go national again. I hope they keep doing
Speaker 2: them in sticks, I said, I always liked the delicate
Speaker 2: way they were tied. He said, right, you could always
Speaker 2: tell us the real thing because the males used a
Speaker 2: special hemp fiber twine they got from their own plants. Hey,
Speaker 2: if you like, I can introduce you to this old guy,
Speaker 2: a refugee who was a professional tie twiner for the
Speaker 2: Mayows before he had to flee. You should see this
Speaker 2: guy's fingerwork. He's he's doing some time work for some
Speaker 2: friends of mine. Gets a good price, so he's friendly.
Speaker 2: I want to see a ty stick tied. Half of
Speaker 2: an hour later, I was in the presence of this
Speaker 2: nibble fingered master.
Speaker 3: He wasn't hold on wait wait so he said that
Speaker 3: they made it out that they used himp fiber from
Speaker 3: the from the plant. Yeah, not so what was the
Speaker 3: whole red silk thing?
Speaker 2: I thought the red the red fiber.
Speaker 3: I thought that was what everyone associated with, like legit
Speaker 3: tie was like using when they used like the red
Speaker 3: silk to wrap it? Or is that is that?
Speaker 2: Like all I remember being told it was red strings.
Speaker 2: There's red string and white string tie. But I don't know,
Speaker 2: like did that come later than this maybe, like maybe
Speaker 2: they tried to, you know, yeah, refine it a bit.
Speaker 2: People will go pre pre on them and adapt their methods,
Speaker 2: adopt their methods.
Speaker 3: And if they still want it tied, it's probably a
Speaker 3: hell of a lot easier to buy your string material
Speaker 3: then to also make your string, Like I get making
Speaker 3: material out of your crop. That makes sense for a farm,
Speaker 3: you know, like you're continuing to produce stuff out of
Speaker 3: the ship you grew out of your same crop. But
Speaker 3: like on scale, if you're going to be trying to
Speaker 3: get these things out there, it's probably a hell of
Speaker 3: a lot easier just pulling it off of a spool.
Speaker 3: You know, setting it out with in the middle of
Speaker 3: it and rocking.
Speaker 2: This is this is pretty good. Half hour later, I
Speaker 2: was in the press and said this nimble fingermaster, he
Speaker 2: wasn't that friendly. As it turned out. He was a
Speaker 2: contankerous old Indo Chinese who was constantly muttering about how
Speaker 2: Americans didn't know the right way to tie tie and
Speaker 2: he would be damned if he'd give away any secrets
Speaker 2: to the people who would use it to pass off
Speaker 2: fraud tie as a real thing, because you know, I
Speaker 2: guess he knew Americans. Well, hey, you know, like that
Speaker 2: is something Americans would do. Yeah, there's something about freshly
Speaker 2: imported buds. I don't know if he's doing tie tie
Speaker 2: sticks on tie or if he was if it was
Speaker 2: just called the tie stick because it was being tied
Speaker 2: at that time, but yeah, I mean sounds like he
Speaker 2: was also tying up Hawaiian Yeah. This is just one
Speaker 2: of the brief examples of Ron Rosenbaum's work as other
Speaker 2: connoisseur that got a lot of people into Strain's period,
Speaker 2: got a lot of people into learning about.
Speaker 5: Him, and so is his assertion that the people who
Speaker 5: were growing the tie used for tie sticks.
Speaker 3: Ended up in the like you know, turmoil of the region. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it like the torch ended up had like someone else
Speaker 3: was growing it for the you know, seventy five on,
Speaker 3: you know, like mid seventies on, and then it then
Speaker 3: the people who who were growing it before got back
Speaker 3: into growing it. Is that what he's saying, So like
Speaker 3: the actual weed didn't disappear, it's that.
Speaker 2: They got tribesmen growers, you know. Yeah, Okay, and I
Speaker 2: know that the Mayo tribesman thing is or at least
Speaker 2: the Laosian tribesmen, which I don't want to say are
Speaker 2: the same because I don't know that, but it sounds
Speaker 2: like that's who they're attributed to. Like they when Thailand
Speaker 2: started to have their resurgence with medical marijuana over there,
Speaker 2: they the Laosians were kind of upset that Ties were saying,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, our red squirrel t or red or squirrel
Speaker 2: tail tie or snakes teeth tie, like they have all
Speaker 2: these special things from these special regions, when really these
Speaker 2: are being grown elsewhere. So Thailand was kind of still
Speaker 2: taking credit for the work the Laosians had done and
Speaker 2: the path they had laid and kind of gave it,
Speaker 2: gave themselves the props Buck says the closer string were
Speaker 2: used for identifications of the regions different reasons it was
Speaker 2: produced from. Yeah it could be. But yeah, so that
Speaker 2: was nineteen eighty from old R and I I, oh,
Speaker 2: there is stuff from seventy eight in here. I just
Speaker 2: didn't sort it right becuse I'm an idiot. There we go,
Speaker 2: I dope for the eighties.
Speaker 3: And low God, but also had a a a new
Speaker 3: form of government established in seventy five. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: guess that makes sense. There's just a bunch of shit
Speaker 3: going on over there, and you know, yeah, production shifted.
Speaker 3: It sounds like.
Speaker 2: There's an amazing article he did called Designer Seeds, but
Speaker 2: since we're on YouTube, I can't show it because there's
Speaker 2: a catalog in the middle of it nineteen eighty one
Speaker 2: from Sam the skunk Man, and I believe Rob Clark
Speaker 2: at this time was involved with Sacred seeds. But there's
Speaker 2: certain ones in here, like a lot of people like
Speaker 2: b Early Hayes, South Indian that like I have the
Speaker 2: old packs from before they you know, started having printed packs.
Speaker 2: They would write it on there. Some of these they
Speaker 2: even talk about the skunk too. In Afghani number two.
Speaker 2: You Afghan too, purple. Yeah, there's some really cool articles
Speaker 2: in here that just by the nature of YouTube and
Speaker 2: how they've treated cannabis history as like some kind of
Speaker 2: scar on the face of history. I don't I can't
Speaker 2: really show that. So just to tease for now, Check
Speaker 2: said it wasn't the government, it was Tom Hills showing
Speaker 2: up that ended it. Oh, talk them into a circle.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what we got with that. I don't
Speaker 2: know if we want to dive into any of the
Speaker 2: other ones. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Any think I was about to say something and then
Speaker 3: I forgot what I was going to say. I do apologize,
Speaker 3: So Buck, okay, let's get back on track here. Buck
Speaker 3: is saying the colors of string were used for identification
Speaker 3: of the different regions it came it was produced from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I said, I don't know if that
Speaker 2: happened before or post nineteen eighty. It's hard to say.
Speaker 2: Like it's one of those things where like I hate
Speaker 2: being the age I am because I wasn't there to
Speaker 2: experience this. I was. I was old enough or young
Speaker 2: enough when my dad was feeling to be able to
Speaker 2: smell what Mexicans smelled like, and I know what they
Speaker 2: smelled like when they came over, and I know what
Speaker 2: they smelled like when burned. But yeah, TI is just
Speaker 2: like a little bit too far.
Speaker 3: From me.
Speaker 2: Even have any room to comment. But I do like
Speaker 2: to read about it and muse on it. I think
Speaker 2: anything like that is helpful when trying to find you
Speaker 2: call it at the time or at the place, get
Speaker 2: you know, getting someone's point of view that was there
Speaker 2: and that knew what connoisseur weed was and smoked it.
Speaker 2: And this for those who don't know, this is a
Speaker 2: picture from the band the bud Ban the Indica High
Speaker 2: Times article because R felt like Indicas were going to
Speaker 2: ruin cannabis with their land boring highs. As you would
Speaker 2: put it, dull, what do you think?
Speaker 3: Screw well? After? So, I do if all of the
Speaker 3: weed that I smoked had highs, like the long flowering
Speaker 3: stuff that I did, and then like all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, I got something else else.
Speaker 3: I guess I you know, I could see being like
Speaker 3: ah nah, you know, like that's not actually getting high,
Speaker 3: that's just getting sleepier or whatever. Yeah, I could see that,
Speaker 3: but there's I don't know, I feel like because of
Speaker 3: that intruthing because I mean he does have a point. Obviously,
Speaker 3: it's gonna fucking spread pretty quickly and be used in
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff, you know, like yeah, because it
Speaker 3: can finish outside in a lot wider range of places now,
Speaker 3: you know, compared to you know, stuff that's super long
Speaker 3: flowering and like you know needs a more needs you know,
Speaker 3: better weather later. Yeah, where like a lot of places
Speaker 3: just don't get it. So I I, you know, he
Speaker 3: was definitely right, and then you know, it's gonna get
Speaker 3: it's gonna kind of like infect everything. But because of that,
Speaker 3: I think there's like cool complex highs that aren't speedy,
Speaker 3: you know, like but are also not you know, You're
Speaker 3: not just like dick in the dirt asleep, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I find ogs like that where I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 3: this is strong, but I'm not just like sedated, you know.
Speaker 3: And I think that it is a result of like, hey,
Speaker 3: that because of that intrusion, there became a cool, you
Speaker 3: know palette of stuff going on. I mean it took
Speaker 3: a while, you know, yeah, a while. Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 3: you know, that's okay, is what I'm you know, I
Speaker 3: don't think without a lot of the Afghanis we would
Speaker 3: have had the indoor grow see take off. Oh definitely.
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, just think about how like how hard
Speaker 3: of a cell it is right now to sell something
Speaker 3: that's like, hey, h you're probably looking at like sixteen weeks.
Speaker 3: You know, you might have some that are later than that,
Speaker 3: you know, like eighteen twenty, you know, like yeah, and
Speaker 3: then like just transplanting that to back then you know, hey,
Speaker 3: it's gonna take you half a fucking year to flower
Speaker 3: this thing out, and that's it, you know, like that's
Speaker 3: the Now you have to take the other half of
Speaker 3: the year to flower out another batch of it. And
Speaker 3: you know, like there's only so much. That's such a
Speaker 3: fucking hard cell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna bust out some of this now.
Speaker 2: I want to say. I think it was labeled church,
Speaker 2: but it definitely is worthy. Oh my god, it is.
Speaker 2: It was well, very well grown, right like when you
Speaker 2: think Hayes, you don't think about that sticky of a plant.
Speaker 2: This was very well grown. And like I said, it
Speaker 2: comes from Doctee's work.
Speaker 6: I can get my camera dead zoom in on it
Speaker 6: or take a decent shot for those of you who
Speaker 6: can't really tell by looking at buds anything special. Of course,
Speaker 6: each bract is separate, and it's mini bracts on each
Speaker 6: separate branch, so it's really easy to break up. It's
Speaker 6: really easy to break up bracked by brack. Now, when
Speaker 6: I first got the bag, the first thing I opened.
Speaker 2: It up and I smell cac and smell Hayes, right,
Speaker 2: can smell Hayes, which try and explain Hayes to people.
Speaker 2: It can be any number of things like rosemary. It's
Speaker 2: a lot of irmal orbaceous sense inside something you you
Speaker 2: would call Hayes and speaking very generally on it, like
Speaker 2: if I were to grow some seedsman haze. The top
Speaker 2: note is like a seedsman haze. It's like, okay, I know, smell.
Speaker 2: This isn't what you smell in a collective. It's not
Speaker 2: what you smell like with super silver haze. It's it's different.
Speaker 2: But once I started cracking the bud, some of the
Speaker 2: first stuff that comes through is a soapy pissiness which
Speaker 2: was in the h one the Frankie church. And the
Speaker 2: more you go in and deeper you go in, you
Speaker 2: can smell the frankincense and myrrh in it. Like I
Speaker 2: believe I was calling it a fucking I kept calling
Speaker 2: it the wrong word. It's a thurible that a pre
Speaker 2: swings during Easter Mass or Christmas Mass, and those combinations
Speaker 2: together is what Franken sense of mirv smells like pretty burnt.
Speaker 2: They had their own sense, but you know, once it's lit,
Speaker 2: and once this is lit, you can get that smell.
Speaker 2: I actually did a lot of vaping of it because
Speaker 2: I'd never had a chance to vape pippy stuff. But
Speaker 2: out of since two thousand and nine, this is the
Speaker 2: first person that's handed me anything that was close to
Speaker 2: what I grew in two thousand and nine. Is God
Speaker 2: damn it. And of course it dropped into my foot massage.
Speaker 2: I can't have that happen. Put a waste there, we go.
Speaker 2: So yeah, shout out to PK for this grow and
Speaker 2: of course Doctee for the work, and Nobody for Nobody's
Speaker 2: nurseries for popping enough seed to find this. So yeah,
Speaker 2: keep your eyes there.
Speaker 3: Is it pretty zippy?
Speaker 2: You know, it's not zippy in the way of where
Speaker 2: it's like gonna like take take the breath out of you,
Speaker 2: like ooh, this is a fucking roller coaster ride. It's
Speaker 2: actually something that I'm comfortable with smoking. The first time
Speaker 2: there was a little bit of anxiety, but yeah, no
Speaker 2: after a few days, No, it's fucking it's nice. It's
Speaker 2: a nice, nice high.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: How uh, how's your uh your CHS going?
Speaker 2: Ah, considering I'm not puffing super tough. I mean, the
Speaker 2: last two weeks I've had the fucking diarrhea ship that
Speaker 2: everybody else is not everybody else, anybody who's dumb enough
Speaker 2: to be eating bag salads like I do tend to
Speaker 2: have gotten across the nation. And uh so I haven't
Speaker 2: been worried about my CHS, but trying to keep the
Speaker 2: old the whole occupied with poops has been very easy.
Speaker 3: So there's that.
Speaker 2: I am talking to a doctor about coming on and
Speaker 2: doing a show with this on CHS, someone who is
Speaker 2: actually an expert in it. He does tons of Instagram
Speaker 2: videos and stories. He has like stopped all his research
Speaker 2: to focus just on CHS. And I know a lot
Speaker 2: of people don't necessarily believe in it for some reason,
Speaker 2: like you know, if you do too much of anything,
Speaker 2: it's not good. But yeah, I'm very interested to see
Speaker 2: the comments because usually, like when I do a show
Speaker 2: on CHS, the comments are brutal, like people calling me
Speaker 2: a propagandist. It's like, what good does that do me
Speaker 2: to tell you that this can happen to you when
Speaker 2: it comes to business like I did. It doesn't do
Speaker 2: a lot of good, but it's also true and it happens,
Speaker 2: and it's fucking scary, and I don't want it to
Speaker 2: happen to anybody else who enjoys cannabis like I do.
Speaker 3: It's so hard to I thought that we were kind
Speaker 3: of over that conversation years ago, you know, like the
Speaker 3: first bubble up of it. It's it's the same thing,
Speaker 3: just recycled. Oh it's the neme, you know, Like, no,
Speaker 3: it's not. I don't know, like it's weed. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: you know, like I trust me. I don't want it
Speaker 3: to be the reason either, but it is. That's how
Speaker 3: it is. This We need to like move forward and
Speaker 3: progress this conversation. And yes he does, I do, like
Speaker 3: because I peeped out his uh his Instagram and stuff.
Speaker 3: I like him like approaching it from like from a
Speaker 3: clinician standpoint of like, hey, this is you know, like
Speaker 3: in no weird bullshit about it, Just hey, what are
Speaker 3: what are we seeing?
Speaker 2: What? You know?
Speaker 3: Like what are we seeing? Why, how how are we
Speaker 3: trying to treat it? What's working, what's not working, like
Speaker 3: all of that, like regular stuff like, hey, this is
Speaker 3: where the conversation needs to move. You need to get
Speaker 3: over it being the weed part of it. It just, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's just how it is. I don't you know.
Speaker 2: We've had it so drilled into our heads, including me,
Speaker 2: up until the point of getting this that oh you
Speaker 2: can you can't die from smoking weed. You can't die
Speaker 2: from fucking smoking pod or dabbing or any of that shit.
Speaker 2: We just it's one of those untouchable things. And it
Speaker 2: got to the point where, you know, there was so
Speaker 2: much anti weed propaganda out there that the complete opposite happened,
Speaker 2: where it was like, you can't say anything about weed
Speaker 2: that could come off remotely as negative or else you're
Speaker 2: a fucking negative Nancy, you know, or whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this is kind of one of those things where it's
Speaker 2: like it's very hard to argue with brain receptors and
Speaker 2: thousands of thousands of people getting this, and yeah, I
Speaker 2: took the ride myself for a long time, so I
Speaker 2: have to start writing the questions and if you have
Speaker 2: any you know, or if any of you have any
Speaker 2: out there, please feel free to leave them in our
Speaker 2: discord or email, because there's a lot of good questions
Speaker 2: we can ask him. And I don't want to waste
Speaker 2: an opportunity with a clinician that has this much experience
Speaker 2: with it on dumb questions for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanna, I'm gonna me and I want to
Speaker 3: have a chat with Pez, yeah, and like try and
Speaker 3: talk to a couple of other people and get like
Speaker 3: a good list of questions for you to I definitely spend.
Speaker 3: Definitely have to hit up the treatment because it's not
Speaker 3: just informat, Like he has a treatment protocol that he's
Speaker 3: started using with patients, so like that for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: obviously things that don't work, you know, like because that's
Speaker 3: kind of like the devilish thing about CHS is a
Speaker 3: lot of times smugging a little bit more pop will help,
Speaker 3: you know, well you're telling me, Yeah, in this case, No,
Speaker 3: that's the you know, so like exactly that does work.
Speaker 3: Obviously most of the normal anti medics don't work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, none. I mean I was eating zofran like candy
Speaker 2: and it was actually making it worse.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, that's a you know, like it's just fiendish,
Speaker 3: because like that's exactly you know, like they're gonna hook
Speaker 3: you up to a fucking to a leader, a fucking
Speaker 3: normal sailing and push them zo fran. That's the like
Speaker 3: normal thing to do.
Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the first ways that
Speaker 2: they know that it might not be anything. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's like one of the first things that're like, oh,
Speaker 2: is this CHS or not. I think that's like they're
Speaker 2: starting to realize that they're pushing onto steptron zofran and
Speaker 2: it's not working. That there's a very good chance CHS,
Speaker 2: which is cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and it's a very clear not where, which
Speaker 3: is yeah. You know when you're when you're thing that's like, oh,
Speaker 3: don't worry, you're not gonna throw up after this, and
Speaker 3: you're still like violently fucking vomiting. Okay, we're dealing with
Speaker 3: something here that's outside of the normal.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Like, and that's why the whole fucking argument with people
Speaker 3: just fucking pisses me off, because oftentimes it devolves into
Speaker 3: like a almost like trying to like judge your feelings
Speaker 3: on weed. You know, it's like, bro, yeah, we love weed,
Speaker 3: What the fuck are you talking about? You know? Like
Speaker 3: this isn't coming from like, oh, you shouldn't smoke weed
Speaker 3: or you shouldn't you know, take dabs. I mean I
Speaker 3: don't think people should take dabs, mostly because I think
Speaker 3: the actual flower is better. Yeah, that's it, like has
Speaker 3: a more full bodied, you know effect, because not everything
Speaker 3: is is coextractable exactly. That's just how it is. You know,
Speaker 3: like if it were, that'd be cool, but so far
Speaker 3: it hasn't, you know, like it just hasn't really panned
Speaker 3: out that way. Even with however fancy you want to
Speaker 3: do it, and like taking different fractions at different times
Speaker 3: and different methods and all that, it still just seems
Speaker 3: to work better smoking it, you know, like off the flower.
Speaker 2: I don't think I would have developed HS without dabbing
Speaker 2: as much as I was. And and that's a lot
Speaker 2: of people's like ego comes into it, whether they're like,
Speaker 2: oh I puffed tough, I've never had it happen, You're
Speaker 2: full of shit, And it's like, yeah, there's there's puffing tough,
Speaker 2: and then there's like using it, using cannabis to the
Speaker 2: point of addiction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely you know, like there's like you know,
Speaker 3: like oh, I'm going to do a one gram dab
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, you know, which I I mean,
Speaker 3: I get half. You know, I've done dumb things too.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, you know, I don't think that people should
Speaker 3: hit fucking five footers every day, but I sure as
Speaker 3: fucking it hit a five footer quite a bit, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's you do things. But like with the concentrations that
Speaker 3: we've been able to get to in it, Like because
Speaker 3: when I first learned how to make like b h
Speaker 3: O right, I mean, dude, we were at the going
Speaker 3: rate was like one hundred a g, which you know,
Speaker 3: people weren't gonna most people. Most people didn't even have
Speaker 3: the fucking stuff to smoke it and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, it was like a really
Speaker 3: fucking niche thing. Yeah, but that market has expanded like
Speaker 3: crazy to where an eighty seven year old, you know,
Speaker 3: dude who isn't even in the online culture and he
Speaker 3: just likes smoking weed is taking fucking dabs off of
Speaker 3: some cold start rig thing, you know, like because it's
Speaker 3: just so op in like out there now compared to.
Speaker 2: Dud I say that I'm hitting this, you know, but
Speaker 2: it's true.
Speaker 3: It's true. Yeah, Well that concentration of you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, as you're able to get pretty much pure
Speaker 3: fucking to where your everyday smoker, even new people oftentimes.
Speaker 3: I mean, fuck my little sister. The first thing that
Speaker 3: she hit was a damn pen. That's crazy. You know,
Speaker 3: like used to have to like work towards getting better products,
Speaker 3: you know, like kind of like work your way up
Speaker 3: the ladder in you know, like your your friend group
Speaker 3: and area and stuff. Right off the fucking rip, you
Speaker 3: can get pretty much pure, distilled fucking THC.
Speaker 2: And it's one of those things where like I've read
Speaker 2: a lot of research papers on it, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if like past drug use is a as a
Speaker 2: co factor, Like maybe that's why it happened to me
Speaker 2: and not others. Maybe they didn't flood their brain with
Speaker 2: other kind of drugs and all the stuff that a
Speaker 2: lot of us did in our young age that we're dealing,
Speaker 2: but twenty plus years ago dealing. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: got to add that in there. Everything's twenty plus years ago,
Speaker 2: twenty five years ago, preferently plus I guess I should
Speaker 2: constantly put allegedly in.
Speaker 3: All that I heard one time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's just going to be crazy
Speaker 2: what happens on the internet and where we'll see it
Speaker 2: go from here. Yeah, we mentioned that at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the show. I'm not I'm always going to be
Speaker 2: me doing my thing and y'all know how to get
Speaker 2: a hold of me. But yeah, there is going to
Speaker 2: be websites taken down. There's you know, the places where
Speaker 2: you normally would go and the most popular ones first
Speaker 2: are gonna get flapped. And I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people who've been around for a long time will be
Speaker 2: flapped by that as well. So just for you out
Speaker 2: there that are, you know, really into multiple strains, for
Speaker 2: multiple breeders type thing, definitely go out do your thing
Speaker 2: for everything hits.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I'm starting to What gives me hope
Speaker 3: is that, like I'm starting to realize it's always been
Speaker 3: this way, you know, but right now it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: oh no, you're gonna fucking fwat some way, some route
Speaker 3: that people are going, Like, bro, it's twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: You can get a fucking blow job from a robot
Speaker 3: like we're gone, you know, Like it's it's also the
Speaker 3: easiest accessible for to do things, you know. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: whatever it is, what it is.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is what it is when it comes to it,
Speaker 2: and some people. I am looking forward to a lot
Speaker 2: of people that showed up with Prop sixty four and
Speaker 2: you know, going away because most of those guys were
Speaker 2: all full of shit. And you'll see how all the
Speaker 2: guys that drop and who really has passion, who doesn't,
Speaker 2: who is never going to stay around anyways? And he
Speaker 2: was here to make money off you guys. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a you know, there's a like a
Speaker 3: tendency for people to see an opportunity and make a
Speaker 3: lot of money and they fucking you know, chuse it
Speaker 3: and they're gone, you know, and that happens everywhere. I
Speaker 3: think people are probably gonna find out, you know, roundabouts
Speaker 3: who those people were soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm you know what Pascal he said, I'd be
Speaker 2: curious to hear about early morning signs of CHS plus
Speaker 2: anything relating to interactions with other commonly used drugs. I'm
Speaker 2: interested too, because, like I know what my personal experience
Speaker 2: with the build up to CHS, and it was a
Speaker 2: long build up, but it was it started with you know,
Speaker 2: doctors misdiagnosing me with something called GERD, which is gastrosophical
Speaker 2: gastrosophagal or esophag eel reflux disease or something like that,
Speaker 2: gastros anyways, and it was because the acid pump in
Speaker 2: my stomach was working so shittily that like I'd bend
Speaker 2: over and it would puke would come out and it
Speaker 2: would be real. And I never had heartburn growing up,
Speaker 2: so it was all new to me. It felt like
Speaker 2: my throat was constantly closing and not letting food swallow
Speaker 2: very easily. So I was having trouble with that. But
Speaker 2: that still was just the build up, you know. I
Speaker 2: remember the first time that I puked, I thought it
Speaker 2: must be something from diabetes. And yeah, all of us
Speaker 2: learn growing up that, you know that that smoking pot
Speaker 2: helps with like stomach cancer and keeping food down and stuff.
Speaker 2: So my first reaction was to go smoke more like,
Speaker 2: even if I didn't feel like my brain was constantly
Speaker 2: telling me don't smoke. I don't feel like it, but
Speaker 2: I'd push it because that's that was the norm of
Speaker 2: back then thinking about that way. So I'm really interested
Speaker 2: to see if other people's, like, if that's a common
Speaker 2: thing where people get gird first and then that happened,
Speaker 2: or it's different routes.
Speaker 3: Sorry, So there I did. That was something that I
Speaker 3: recently learned, like in looking at doing some research on
Speaker 3: this fella this doctor, is that there there is like
Speaker 3: a pro phase and some people people never like switch
Speaker 3: over into like the cyclic vomiting. They just stay in
Speaker 3: the prophase for extended, you know, years, where they just
Speaker 3: kind of generally feel shitty and like we're not shitty
Speaker 3: enough to where like it can like it can be
Speaker 3: it becomes normal to where it's like, oh, that's just
Speaker 3: a thing about me, without hitting the cyclical vomiting part
Speaker 3: and then stopping smoking and realize, you know, it's like
Speaker 3: when you need a medication and you don't know it
Speaker 3: for like years and you just kind of like accept oh,
Speaker 3: this is just how I am, and then you start
Speaker 3: taking a medication and you're like, oh, fuck, okay, this
Speaker 3: I remember this used to be normal, feeling like yes,
Speaker 3: you know it like having that type of effect.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just remember it feeling like everything I had
Speaker 2: heard about females being pregnant, like early on, like the
Speaker 2: morning sickness. That's how it first started hitting me. And
Speaker 2: it would just be waves of nausea, but I wouldn't
Speaker 2: throw up but I couldn't get out of bed till
Speaker 2: one pm until it started calming down. And I didn't
Speaker 2: attribute it to anything because like it would never kick
Speaker 2: in until twelve hours after I smoked last so like
Speaker 2: I could be, you know, be fine all day, taking
Speaker 2: my last tokes right before bed, go to sleep, and
Speaker 2: at six am wake up, and I know it's hitten
Speaker 2: fully constantly, you know, like, yeah, it's it's weird how
Speaker 2: it played out, and it always ended up in the morning,
Speaker 2: like it wouldn't interrupt my sleep, but the second my
Speaker 2: eyes opened, it was like instant anxiety and yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: and now and now learning through you know, different papers
Speaker 2: that you can completely destroy your receptors. It's not just
Speaker 2: like oh, they'll just pop back up and you can
Speaker 2: retrain your brain. I think there's certain places that it
Speaker 2: can go where you're just kind of having to deal
Speaker 2: with it the rest of your life.
Speaker 3: I hope not.
Speaker 2: I hope not. I hope there's more positive treatments on
Speaker 2: the way. But I was scared of even taking CBD
Speaker 2: after I figured out that it does have something to
Speaker 2: do with cannabis. People would ask me, oh, is it
Speaker 2: okay to eat edibles? And the only thing I could
Speaker 2: think of was like, well, that stores in your fat
Speaker 2: cells longer. I don't know about you know, your brain receptors,
Speaker 2: but that sounds like it might kill me, and you know,
Speaker 2: like it was getting to that point. It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: So I'm stoked to have him on. We're gonna have
Speaker 2: the rev on again soon. I keep saying that, but
Speaker 2: we gotta. He's got a new gig with four twenty magazine,
Speaker 2: So really really happy to hear that four twenty magazine
Speaker 2: picked him up. They have more sense than any of
Speaker 2: the other magazines currently out there, as best I can tell,
Speaker 2: So that's really cool. Yeah, I can't think of anything
Speaker 2: else off the top of my head. Man. Oh, we're
Speaker 2: gonna be having a a grow off in the discord
Speaker 2: for something that certain tier members have or will be receiving.
Speaker 3: Suit.
Speaker 2: It's called Unholy Mountain and it is the Johnny Blaze
Speaker 2: Cross to Blue Bonnet F two. Johnny Blaze is from
Speaker 2: Legend Sees My Buddy Red. You can find old interviews
Speaker 2: with him if you go to the audio version of
Speaker 2: the podcast right now. And that was a Nevill's Haze
Speaker 2: cross to the I think B one O three mail.
Speaker 2: That was responsible for a lot of the really blue
Speaker 2: stuff that was coming out of Canada. So I'm really
Speaker 2: stoked about this. Stony Iomi created them, and it'll be
Speaker 2: really cool to see it grow off. And there's gonna
Speaker 2: be there's gonna be some really cool things people can
Speaker 2: win in that growoff, like even a whole round or
Speaker 2: two of newts, even from I think heavy fifteen. So yeah,
Speaker 2: there's that. What else is there?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like when these set you know, I know
Speaker 3: that it can because I know when I order those
Speaker 3: tests the first time, I was like, well, like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, is super simple? It is? I mean, it's
Speaker 3: hard to fuck up. Honestly, you get like each individual
Speaker 3: thing is broken down, so there you're not It's not
Speaker 3: like a bag filled with just a bunch of like numbers.
Speaker 3: It's each individual like little envelope thing with like the
Speaker 3: test number and all like, so it's really hard for
Speaker 3: you to mess it up. Super duper simple, and honestly,
Speaker 3: it does cut quite a bit of time down in
Speaker 3: like moving things through.
Speaker 2: Absolutely in container space, less money on your mix everything.
Speaker 3: Well do I mean, dude, when you think about it,
Speaker 3: when it's like okay, I'm gonna, you know, pop these seeds,
Speaker 3: I'm looking at probably like six seven weeks before everything
Speaker 3: is definitive, you know, and even then you got you know,
Speaker 3: usually like water or two that's like I don't know really,
Speaker 3: and then you flip and you're like, well wrong, but
Speaker 3: like that, you know, I know that that's really that's
Speaker 3: not much time whatever. But whenever you're trying to look
Speaker 3: through more of something or just more of multiple somethings,
Speaker 3: you know, those things get you know, you're using quite
Speaker 3: a bit in that amount of time. As things, as
Speaker 3: your numbers get higher, it gets a lot a lot
Speaker 3: more fucking manageable to like okay, I will pay the
Speaker 3: extra money to take the time off, and no, like okay,
Speaker 3: these are the one I could throw all of these out.
Speaker 3: These are the ones that I need to actually focus on,
Speaker 3: like vegging nice and using my IPM this whole time
Speaker 3: and taking clones and all of that. All of those
Speaker 3: costs totally worth it, especially as things start getting more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, plant count being a big part of that, absolutely,
Speaker 2: So keep that in mind, fellas, and don't forget seed
Speaker 2: transmission is a thing with a lot of these clones
Speaker 2: which all y'all buying your cookies and gelatos and shrubs
Speaker 2: and whatever. They've renamed it to counts fronts months. I mean,
Speaker 2: bringing those clones in untested is dangerous because the people
Speaker 2: who got them before you, and they might have the best,
Speaker 2: you know, intentions in mind. But the road to hell
Speaker 2: is paid with good intentions, I believe, as my grandma
Speaker 2: used to say, So get that in mind. And just
Speaker 2: because you have a good source doesn't mean that they
Speaker 2: had a good source or didn't play a.
Speaker 3: Little bit of the trust me bro, Well, I mean
Speaker 3: think about it this way. Think of how shitty it
Speaker 3: is when you fuck up and get like a pest
Speaker 3: in yes, with clones. Now, imagine not being able to
Speaker 3: reset and come back from it with yeah, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Fuck including all your seed crops, everything.
Speaker 3: Everything, everything's touched. You know, it's like, well shit, I'm
Speaker 3: because it. I mean I would just fucking scrap everything entirely, yeah,
Speaker 3: and restart new seeds like and I mean like new
Speaker 3: pots and new everything, you know.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 3: Because that's I mean, you can I'm sure you know
Speaker 3: that there are a ton of people who can do
Speaker 3: well at separating and clean up and all of that stuff.
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to be one of those people,
Speaker 3: you know as well enough to not reinfect myself.
Speaker 2: And it only takes one little brush, like a brush
Speaker 2: against something even fucking like I said, breaking up a
Speaker 2: bud from the collective, you know, in the room you're
Speaker 2: about to smoke it and you're not even realizing you
Speaker 2: got some some fucking HLV and your fucking budget smoking
Speaker 2: and will infect your room. Things like that touching your
Speaker 2: leads after doing.
Speaker 3: That, well, dude, I mean you're the pots that you
Speaker 3: use that you made sure to clean with bleach and
Speaker 3: all of that stuff, you know, and oh, they've been
Speaker 3: in my backyard for like two years, you know, like
Speaker 3: after I did that cleaning whatever, I can you know,
Speaker 3: like no, you can still you may not have gotten
Speaker 3: it all and guess what, you know, like it's probably
Speaker 3: still fucking there, bro like, especially if it's like a
Speaker 3: pot that doesn't get cleaned all the way like properly.
Speaker 3: And how many pots did anyone listening have? Probably a
Speaker 3: fucking lot, you know, like more than they actually use
Speaker 3: and still buy.
Speaker 2: More, you know, Yes, I problem.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like what happens when you start growing things,
Speaker 3: like when you know, cannabis or anything else, you just
Speaker 3: end up with a bunch of pots, bro and like
Speaker 3: you can get with roots being where it's even heavier,
Speaker 3: you know, like you're so, I'm not one of those
Speaker 3: people who can do that. I would have to fucking
Speaker 3: scrap every essentially buy a new grow yeah, to restart
Speaker 3: and then pop seed. It's like, ugh, that's risky and scary. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the massive amount of clone banks that have popped
Speaker 2: up because people are like, oh man, seed sails are down,
Speaker 2: let's just sell clones. Like, I can't stress harder. I
Speaker 2: can say it a million times, guys, be careful, be careful.
Speaker 2: I know, we see things and we assume, well, it's
Speaker 2: worth taking the risk on it's only a few hundred,
Speaker 2: you know, like be careful. It's it's sometimes it's not
Speaker 2: worth that risk. I can think of many examples, you know,
Speaker 2: like without throwing anyone of the bus it's not worth
Speaker 2: that risk.
Speaker 3: I guess I think that people the more so the
Speaker 3: well what if it is? That is like I think
Speaker 3: the more kind of tempting, you know, like thing when
Speaker 3: people go that route, It's like, well, but what if
Speaker 3: it is fucking nineteen eighty two skunk?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if it is venom?
Speaker 3: You see it with seeds too, you know, I always
Speaker 3: with clones, you know, like it's an even easier sell
Speaker 3: because it's like, oh, you don't even have to look Broye.
Speaker 3: You know, you could just have it for two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty bucks. Yeah, and that you know, oh, well,
Speaker 3: you know, if it's not, okay, I'm out two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty bucks. But what if it is? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What if it is?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: What if it is the real Cam ninety one? And
Speaker 2: then they start asking other people and realize, oh my god,
Speaker 2: all the KM ninety one.
Speaker 3: Is one I've yet to see another Ken ninety one
Speaker 3: that's purple.
Speaker 2: You know, like I remember that one.
Speaker 3: But you know, you it's either you know, you still
Speaker 3: have to pay for all that shit again. I would
Speaker 3: have to put you know, I've spent a decent amount
Speaker 3: of money now on my setup, and it would cost
Speaker 3: me a lot of fucking money to have to replace
Speaker 3: all that stuff to make sure that I don't, you know,
Speaker 3: to make sure that when I pop these next seeds
Speaker 3: and start going through that whole fucking process again that
Speaker 3: I've spent years of like going through and collecting and
Speaker 3: like looking through different stuff to find the cuts that
Speaker 3: I have. Now I don't want to have to get,
Speaker 3: you know, a year and a half down the road
Speaker 3: of doing all that and then start seeing like symptoms
Speaker 3: pop up like oh it's happening again. Yeah, just couldn't
Speaker 3: do that. My heart couldn't handle it.
Speaker 2: That's a hard heart handling situation. Tell you we have
Speaker 2: a good question, Jimmy jam eight one six eight new here.
Speaker 2: Sorry if you talked about this before, what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on breeders not giving out lineage of a strain?
Speaker 2: Was looking at obd yn I'm not sure that is
Speaker 2: argon breeders. I'm not familiar, but not sure how I
Speaker 2: feel about grabbing something called breeding stock zero one or
Speaker 2: serious black where they don't say either. My personal opinion
Speaker 2: is that like not giving aage lineage to a strain
Speaker 2: is is like what are we doing here? Like that
Speaker 2: should be readily accessible by any breeder and they should
Speaker 2: be willing to share it unless they don't have a
Speaker 2: firm understanding of breeding and don't realize that like oh,
Speaker 2: if person gets clone A and clone B, they're going
Speaker 2: to make the exact same thing that I found, Like,
Speaker 2: that's not how it works. So it speaks to the
Speaker 2: breeder and their lack of knowledge about breeding, and it
Speaker 2: speaks to just dumb assy. That's and if I hurt
Speaker 2: someone's feelings that I don't know, then I hurt someone's feelings.
Speaker 2: But that's I mean, really, what are we doing here?
Speaker 3: If either they don't know, you know, yeah, and they
Speaker 3: don't want to say that they don't know, which is
Speaker 3: stupid because think of all the bag seed things that
Speaker 3: are fucking dope, you know, it's like, yeah, just say
Speaker 3: what the fuck is? Like this is kind of how
Speaker 3: the thing is. We want to know. Yeah, And either
Speaker 3: that or they don't. Yeah, like you said, they don't understand,
Speaker 3: you know, like having that whole you're gonna rip me off,
Speaker 3: you know, Like and if they don't get it's kind
Speaker 3: of like telling almost like they don't go through enough
Speaker 3: scene to realize. Like even if I told these people
Speaker 3: exactly what I used, it's not like it's going to
Speaker 3: give them the keys to reverse exactly I selected out
Speaker 3: of it, you know, like it just gives them more
Speaker 3: information on like what to expect, what they're popping, which
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what you fucking that's what you want
Speaker 3: as a grower. I don't know why you wouldn't want
Speaker 3: to give that as a breeder, you know, like it's
Speaker 3: very red flaggy.
Speaker 2: That's like me doing the blueberry and cross and leaving
Speaker 2: out that I in cross more DJ short blueberry because
Speaker 2: it might give up the goods, Like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like what the fuck? And it's
Speaker 2: hard enough to find the goods in there.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: Someone asked yellow sub asked what happened in your tent
Speaker 2: to lose the crop? Oh?
Speaker 3: So I took in clones and so some stuff was
Speaker 3: like some stuff, some stuff I didn't know what I
Speaker 3: PM he was using. Yeah, and then I got something
Speaker 3: from someone else at the same time and from another person,
Speaker 3: and like I wasn't sure what anyone was using for IPM.
Speaker 3: I know one of my friends was using sulfur. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I just to be safe dipped everything in spin
Speaker 3: and like did that for a couple of weeks, and
Speaker 3: then I wanted to fill up my fucking spaces and
Speaker 3: kind of rushed the quarantine phase. Yeah, and so I
Speaker 3: only got like a week and a half, two weeks
Speaker 3: worth of oil spraying, and then straight to I did.
Speaker 3: I sprayed spin again, like just doing my normal transition.
Speaker 3: Sprayed spin for three times in like a week and
Speaker 3: a half two week period, and then a little bit
Speaker 3: of sulfur right before I can't Yeah, and that you
Speaker 3: know once every once I had fucking two and a
Speaker 3: half lights and flowering. Uh you know at that point
Speaker 3: the train was out of the station. Yeah, and in
Speaker 3: rust it's just new to fucking you know. One uh,
Speaker 3: it nuked the half a light worth of the fire line,
Speaker 3: which I had been flowering for quite the dive already,
Speaker 3: Like we were, we were coming up towards we were
Speaker 3: seeing an end goal. But like it just they just
Speaker 3: fucking nuked them, and then it did the same to
Speaker 3: every other space. The only thing that I guess was
Speaker 3: that performed like well enough. I got some triangle choke,
Speaker 3: and I got some uh tuscan leather, but most of
Speaker 3: that got destroyed too. Like the only thing that like
Speaker 3: came out all right was the triangle choke. And I
Speaker 3: think it's just because of like where it was in
Speaker 3: relation to everything else, because it's it. It was like
Speaker 3: it was moving from one corner of the tent to
Speaker 3: the other and because all of those plants were in
Speaker 3: one corner, they'd like, you know, didn't suffer. So I
Speaker 3: got I got like half a light worth of smokable weed,
Speaker 3: which sucks, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does suck, but it is definitely a learning lesson.
Speaker 2: I remember when I had my learning lesson with mixing
Speaker 2: wettable sulfur, which I still swear by, except I didn't
Speaker 2: know much about the low pH IPM stuff. I hadn't
Speaker 2: really used it yet, so I just figured I'd mix
Speaker 2: them in both in the fucking same bucket, sprayed and
Speaker 2: fried my whole mother room that was about to flip.
Speaker 2: So I've definitely had my own experiences with the ipm's
Speaker 2: not quite working together.
Speaker 3: And see, yeah, see that's what I was trying to avoid,
Speaker 3: you know, because usually I dipped stuff in oil. But
Speaker 3: it's because you know, most of the people that I
Speaker 3: get stuff from, you know, it's they use oil too,
Speaker 3: and bed yes, so like you know, that's that's you know. Anyway,
Speaker 3: after the whole fiasco, a lot of people switch from
Speaker 3: only using sulfur because like that's what I used when
Speaker 3: I got those fucking mendo mites. Was on this and
Speaker 3: that like that made me, you know, change up my
Speaker 3: IPM stuff quite a bit and like actually have an
Speaker 3: IPM instead of just oh I just spray some sulfur
Speaker 3: every now and then, you know, every couple of weeks
Speaker 3: or whatever. And this just kind of made me have
Speaker 3: to Okay, I need to lock in on like my
Speaker 3: quarantine time and like not even you know, fight the
Speaker 3: urge to fill you know, a space, yeah, until like
Speaker 3: I'm you know, until like I'm sure like okay, this
Speaker 3: has gotten enough time, you know, with getting hit with
Speaker 3: oil to where like everything's going to be dead. I
Speaker 3: can you know, mostly now just worry about what's going
Speaker 3: about like fungal pressure, you know, like before I flip,
Speaker 3: worry about mitigating that for flower, because yeah, I just
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, that's completely my bad. I fucking I
Speaker 3: rushed it m hm and was like, well I got
Speaker 3: all these clones, let me just fucking throw you know,
Speaker 3: like cool, And that was you know, fucked me. How
Speaker 3: did how.
Speaker 2: Did you make the idea on the Russets?
Speaker 3: Dude? So I was having prop like I was noticing, like, man,
Speaker 3: what the fuck is going on in my and my
Speaker 3: are my lights like fucking too intense? Like because I
Speaker 3: was seeing where I mean, it looked like Fridays, you know,
Speaker 3: to where we're like ooh, what's going on here? And
Speaker 3: then uh blue I gave. I ended up giving him
Speaker 3: a cut m that like instead of moving it into flowers,
Speaker 3: like oh this because he wanted that the sixteen the
Speaker 3: salary and sixteen, and I was like, okay, so instead
Speaker 3: of moving this into flower, I'll just give it to you,
Speaker 3: you know, and I'll just keep the other one as
Speaker 3: my backup. And he was like, hey, this has russets.
Speaker 3: He helps out at someone else's girl who who's like god,
Speaker 3: and it yeah several times and it was like, hey,
Speaker 3: do you, like, are you seeing anything with uh with
Speaker 3: your garden? And like I I was like no, you know,
Speaker 3: and then fuck it. Later that night, I go back
Speaker 3: in and like just start looking at it more critically
Speaker 3: and like, no, this can't be the fucking lights because
Speaker 3: I'm getting like to where like I would have some
Speaker 3: branches on a plant fucked, but the other branch is frosty,
Speaker 3: you know, swelling bracts, like getting the you know, the
Speaker 3: stigma not fucking dying off and stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 3: like just looking going along normally it's like, okay, so
Speaker 3: it can't be the fucking lights, I don't think. And
Speaker 3: then I I noticed on another plant that it was
Speaker 3: coming from the bottom up, the bottom of the butt up,
Speaker 3: okay for sure, not the fucking lights. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 3: that's you know, I was like, well, fuck, there's and
Speaker 3: then I looked it up and like, oh, yeah that
Speaker 3: this is like indicative, like clear, It's just I've never
Speaker 3: had russets in flower. Yeah. I usually, like when I
Speaker 3: had those russets, it was what's it called, like the
Speaker 3: where the fucking edges of the leaf like roll up,
Speaker 3: but not in whenever you're whenever, like you know how
Speaker 3: sometimes where it's like the resin will I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like that actual flower shape kind of that it's like
Speaker 3: attached to will make it talk like it looks it's
Speaker 3: not like that kind of like a bad taco where
Speaker 3: it's like something's going on here. Yeah, but I didn't
Speaker 3: see that, and yeah this, uh, I saw full fledged
Speaker 3: fucking russet damage in flower this time, and like you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's made me have to like, okay, well fuck,
Speaker 3: I just have to buckle down in like fighting those urges.
Speaker 3: And it's also opened me up coincidentally to fucking pop
Speaker 3: like a bunch of more seed to you know, like
Speaker 3: fill that space. All right, cool, you know I got
Speaker 3: I have some ghosts by d F two's that I
Speaker 3: want to go through. That was just one of like
Speaker 3: the more Ken d leaning plant that I liked. Yeah,
Speaker 3: ended up just popping a couple of pollen sacks. And
Speaker 3: at the time, like usually when I see that in
Speaker 3: a plant that needs to go longer, I'll pull them,
Speaker 3: I'll pluck them. But because it was like a d
Speaker 3: I was like, whenever, it's probably not going to be uh,
Speaker 3: you know, a bible anyways, but it was and there,
Speaker 3: so I got like two dozen seeds out of my
Speaker 3: favorite smoking like souper fucking killer o G cut. So
Speaker 3: I figured, fuck, I know those are all gonna be female. Boom,
Speaker 3: I can just pop all those like and I wanted
Speaker 3: to go through them and then pop all the fucking
Speaker 3: sledgeberry and run tests on them. Boom. That's it makes
Speaker 3: it okay cool now, I'm you know, it just you know,
Speaker 3: like made it to where it kind of forced me
Speaker 3: into doing stuff I've been wanting to do, but like
Speaker 3: trying to you know, like work it in logistically has
Speaker 3: been you know, like, oh I want to do good
Speaker 3: and well my fucking numbers just went down quite a
Speaker 3: bit right now, you know, so I can take the
Speaker 3: opportunity to get into some neat shit pop that fucking
Speaker 3: I'm very excited about that Sledgeberry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to see where it goes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because oh man, yeah, I'm I. I have
Speaker 3: high fucking hosts for that one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've still been debating f toing the blue cheese again,
Speaker 2: but like, I feel like what kind of sucked with
Speaker 2: that one was that the original blue cheese from Big
Speaker 2: Boodha Seeds was like a flow cross the cheese and
Speaker 2: not blueberry cross the cheese. So I don't think it
Speaker 2: would be everyone's ideal version of blue cheese, like when
Speaker 2: they go back, I think with all the memories of
Speaker 2: the blue cheese incensey, you know, and it's not going
Speaker 2: to be that. So I don't know, but I'm down
Speaker 2: the last pack of that. So I need to get
Speaker 2: on the start shitting as I've been so successfully doing
Speaker 2: the last few weeks.
Speaker 3: The only blue cheese I ever got was in like
Speaker 3: oh seven, I think I got, you know, some a
Speaker 3: little bit of weight of it from somebody and it
Speaker 3: smelled like blueberry muffins, and like if you made a
Speaker 3: like a blueberry muffin as an edible, like that's what
Speaker 3: the jar smell like. Fantastic, And then I've never I've tried.
Speaker 3: I grew when I was growing Dutch stuff in my
Speaker 3: thirty days. All of this stuff from there wasn't anything
Speaker 3: like it, or at least what I was getting like scent,
Speaker 3: and like I don't even know where what that blue
Speaker 3: cheese was or whether it was just because hey, it
Speaker 3: was in you know, like blue cheese was in high times,
Speaker 3: and so this blueberry smelling weed that you know, dude
Speaker 3: had he called, you know, blue cheese when you know
Speaker 3: selling it because whatever it's possible.
Speaker 2: I mean, the cheese itself is very berry like, depending
Speaker 2: on how you grow, and a lot of people when
Speaker 2: they grow at their best. Shout out to Crazy Composer
Speaker 2: over on Instagram. He's been around forever. I wanted to
Speaker 2: bring him on the show, but he's a very quiet guy,
Speaker 2: but he does kill a gross and he's always had
Speaker 2: really good sourcing on his stuff. And he brought in
Speaker 2: some cheese and I had had the same experience where
Speaker 2: like I kept getting back cheese cuts and they were
Speaker 2: all like kind of very bag berry but very sweet
Speaker 2: and fruity, and I was like, this isn't what I remember.
Speaker 2: I remember someone like foot funk cheese. It was nasty.
Speaker 2: I kept throwing him out, throwing them out, and then
Speaker 2: I sourced it from Inspecta CSI and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is just a very plastic cut. So it's expressing
Speaker 2: different ways depending on how you feed it. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's already when grown in its best, it's very
Speaker 2: berry as is, so I think, yeah, it should make
Speaker 2: very berry type plants. But when he crossed flowed to
Speaker 2: something that already has leaned towards, the very flow tends
Speaker 2: to dominate.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I've liked I've liked crazy and composers
Speaker 3: content quite a bit, yea, because he's a pretty good grower,
Speaker 3: like where it's like oh she you know, like you
Speaker 3: don't miss often. But also the way that he interacts
Speaker 3: with people in the comments, like when that you know,
Speaker 3: like you can tell when he's like talking about like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm excited to you know, run this cut, and I'm
Speaker 3: you know, like I've seen a lot about it. You know,
Speaker 3: you can tell when people like our talking to him
Speaker 3: in the in the comments section about it, like people
Speaker 3: who have experience and people who obviously don't. Also, yeah,
Speaker 3: like about cuts and stuff like that. Like just I
Speaker 3: like the way that he interacts with them, Like you
Speaker 3: can tell that he is excited to you know, try
Speaker 3: this weed, you know, grow this cut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've always gotten along very well, Like despite he
Speaker 2: he's very close with the Red Dog and I'm obviously not,
Speaker 2: but he has always been really stand up dude. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he has the Sharon Widow cut, which would be cool.
Speaker 2: They can't get for the like a blue widow on it,
Speaker 2: But the original blue Widow was with yellow has seeds widow,
Speaker 2: which was kind of mostly trash. But they did find
Speaker 2: one good plant there, a sweet thing, all right.
Speaker 3: But it's my understanding the Sharon was out of like
Speaker 3: a bunch of different white widow seed packs that Lone
Speaker 3: Star popped right.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't really know as much.
Speaker 3: White widow seeds, like he didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't know on that one. That's one of the
Speaker 2: ones that I really don't know the history on other
Speaker 2: than it was a via Lone Star White labels sensey seeds. Yeah, same, same, same,
Speaker 2: same sense. He was smart, Like when they were going
Speaker 2: to do white labeled at the same time as their seeds,
Speaker 2: they would just package the same seeds and a different
Speaker 2: packaging and treated as a different company, and they would
Speaker 2: undercut themselves on the price for the stuff that wasn't
Speaker 2: selling it high price. It was smart, but h yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I was necessarily good for everything.
Speaker 3: Oh like.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they were their own white leable company product.
Speaker 3: That they intentionally inflate the price to drive you to
Speaker 3: their quote unquote competition for the same lines.
Speaker 2: Yes, they also owned Doggies Nuts and Puka if I
Speaker 2: remember correctly, which were around the same time. Doggies Nuts
Speaker 2: were charging like nine hundred dollars a pack and making
Speaker 2: crazy claims. And I think it was all just kind
Speaker 2: of trying to figure out the market period, and it
Speaker 2: was their way of doing it. But yeah, it was crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: A lot of those guys like bog was finding stuff
Speaker 2: with white label stuff. And I know he had a
Speaker 2: company with lone Star called Plan b Seeds, which a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know about. Yeah, five hundred dollars
Speaker 2: Big Bud Seeds, a laser beam fucking Doggy's nuts all right?
Speaker 2: Was there anything else we had? We'll be doing a
Speaker 2: whipple tomorrow in the Discord two make up for the
Speaker 2: last weeks. The ship Nannigan's of a ship show. So
Speaker 2: if you're gonna participate, you know, read the rules, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the rules, Like read them again just to before
Speaker 3: you hit send.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it can be really really really goofy, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean?
Speaker 2: So yes, read the rules on that. I don't want
Speaker 2: to ban people after this next time, but is what
Speaker 2: it is. And yeah, Uh Fluffy is showing back up
Speaker 2: for a UFC card next Sacramento fight, so I'm really
Speaker 2: pumped for that. See him back, going back at it
Speaker 2: and I think he's fighting who is he fin RoboCop?
Speaker 2: That Gregory Rodriguez guy who's fucking massive. Hopefully he stomps
Speaker 2: him out. That's the only other wead UFC news I have.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, so come join us in chat. We have
Speaker 2: fun chats in the discord and sometimes really really funny
Speaker 2: ones that I wish we could have recorded, because sometimes
Speaker 2: they get really funny myself, while shitting myself.
Speaker 3: I am glad that they aren't recorded. I'll say that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, there's enough on the internet. I don't know
Speaker 3: about that part like that.
Speaker 2: That's some of the best, the best.
Speaker 3: I have fun though, you know it was. It was
Speaker 3: a good time, I do. I I think that we
Speaker 3: should have a topic for the next.
Speaker 2: One, yes, yes, yes, or maybe.
Speaker 3: If someone has a topic that they want to talk like, hey, bro,
Speaker 3: I want to talk about this, all right, cool, let's see,
Speaker 3: you know, like, so it's just a little bit more,
Speaker 3: you know, because we're gonna obviously we're gonna fucking get
Speaker 3: off into the weeds of you know, other weird disconnected
Speaker 3: ship that like have fun, that's gonna happen. Anyways, we
Speaker 3: should have a you know, like a point that we're
Speaker 3: at least trying to walk towards as we walk around.
Speaker 2: You know, Yes, exactly, I'll get into all things I
Speaker 2: X in the in the chats, you bet, you bet,
Speaker 2: all right, And with that said, let's see, I think
Speaker 2: if I hit end stream, it'll play the loop out.
Speaker 2: So anything else, any shout outs anything.
Speaker 3: No, I want to talk to you after this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've got some ideas that I was a little bit
Speaker 3: high and forgot about before we started. But I have
Speaker 3: no shout outs other than join the discord or why
Speaker 3: the fuck are you even listening? Because this is nothing.
Speaker 3: This is just this is like putting feelers out there
Speaker 3: and hanging out trying to Hey, if you learn some
Speaker 3: stuff and you're like, oh shit, maybe you know, maybe
Speaker 3: this is my jam. Just joined the fucking discord already
Speaker 3: so we can get to actually, you know, so you
Speaker 3: can get down to business and learning and shit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and always you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna ask extensive breeding questions and you can learn about
Speaker 2: who all of us are as humans as well, which
Speaker 2: I think is something left out in cannabis is that
Speaker 2: there are humans behind these and humans, you know, humans
Speaker 2: will human So no, no know the people you're you're
Speaker 2: going to for advice or anything on growing, I think
Speaker 2: it's important.
Speaker 3: Well with that, oh go ahead, Well I just I
Speaker 3: also just want to, you know, point out that like
Speaker 3: over time, you end up, like if you're listening to
Speaker 3: this show and you're like, oh man, I like the
Speaker 3: whole thing behind the breeding and all that, you get
Speaker 3: to watch it happen live, you know, like, and over
Speaker 3: time like to where you're able to when you see
Speaker 3: people like I see Bidder making a decision about you know, like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: what'd you put in the room? You know why? Like
Speaker 3: being able to get that to okay cool, you know,
Speaker 3: like to actually figure out not just the decisions that happened,
Speaker 3: but why they happened, you know, like and then the
Speaker 3: coolest part the fucking results, because within you know, two years,
Speaker 3: you're like seeing the grows of the progeny and stuff
Speaker 3: like that and like oh shit, you know, like and
Speaker 3: you're growing it and like, oh damn. You know, like
Speaker 3: being able to really piece together a solid understanding of
Speaker 3: that whole side of things has been super fucking cool
Speaker 3: and super super helpful because I'm not I'm not a breeder.
Speaker 3: I just I like growing good wead, you know, Like
Speaker 3: it's that it's really not that complicated. But in order
Speaker 3: to be the best grower that I that I can,
Speaker 3: you know, like, it takes learning that side of things
Speaker 3: a little bit to like be able to like make
Speaker 3: better informed decisions on what I'm going to be dedicating
Speaker 3: space and time and all that shit too.
Speaker 2: Trade inheritance is a big part of being a seedsman,
Speaker 2: whether you're just interested in seeds or not, like, it'll
Speaker 2: help you make all kinds of informed decisions understanding traite inheritance.
Speaker 2: And again, like I said, the people who are making
Speaker 2: the seeds, you'll get a better idea off they're sourcing.
Speaker 2: Can they speak to speak, can they talk to talk
Speaker 2: on the fly, you know, all that, all that goes
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 3: Do actually getting questions answered, you know, instead of like
Speaker 3: the weird cage like that did not sit right with
Speaker 3: me for fucking years. Every time I talked to you know,
Speaker 3: like this breeder, whether that be and YouTube content sections
Speaker 3: or on THHC farmer or whatever. It's like a really
Speaker 3: a vaighty like thing that made me feel like, Okay,
Speaker 3: well I just don't know, I guess, you know, Like,
Speaker 3: but now i've you know, it's very clear that well
Speaker 3: they just don't know, you know, like or they're lying to.
Speaker 7: Me one or they want to catch screenshots. Yeah, either way,
Speaker 7: I don't want the seeds, you know, Like and being
Speaker 7: able to like see people give such solid fucking answers
Speaker 7: and also being able to say, oh I don't know,
Speaker 7: or oh I just wanted to see when what would happen, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like that I don't know. It just it means
Speaker 3: a hell of a lot more than like bullshit ass
Speaker 3: cagy fucking answers where it's like your waterboarding fucking simple
Speaker 3: where did you get the cut from? Yeah? What what
Speaker 3: did you pop? You know, like and use as a male?
Speaker 3: Why did you use that mail? You know, like even
Speaker 3: if it's ah, it's the only one that survived honestly,
Speaker 3: you know, Okay, yeah, cool, Like it doesn't have not
Speaker 3: everything is gonna be some like mythical fucking journey, you know,
Speaker 3: like and so like it. It's really nice, like you know,
Speaker 3: being a part of a group that's okay with being like, eh,
Speaker 3: it is what it is, you know. I'm just telling
Speaker 3: you the fucking answers to stuff.
Speaker 2: Exactly. And with that, I think we will leave you
Speaker 2: with those words of uh love and encouragement and we
Speaker 2: will catch you on the flip side next week. I'm
Speaker 2: Bret a syndicate.
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