Speaker 1: Oh bed of Fessor, Hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: This is the Occult of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan,
Speaker 1: I'm Jacob, and today we bring back your boy Josh
Speaker 1: Anthony of the Incursion podcast show. What do you call it?
Speaker 2: Well, it's yes, it's the podcast now, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: call it just a show.
Speaker 1: So it's just a show now.
Speaker 2: It's an extension of the new direction I'm going in
Speaker 2: hell Yeah.
Speaker 1: Awesome man. Well, if anybody remembers we had him on
Speaker 1: before when he was part of the Mind's Eye podcast.
Speaker 1: Such a fun conversation that was. I believe it actually
Speaker 1: went a little trippy, and I kind of had a
Speaker 1: feeling that it was going to get a little trippy tonight.
Speaker 1: Hence the background right here. You know, we had to
Speaker 1: get a little crazy up in this bach because we're
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know where we're going to go.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to necessarily steer it in some kind
Speaker 1: of direction, but I imagine that it's going to get a
Speaker 1: little lucid always. So, now that you've transitioned to the
Speaker 1: Incursion Podcast, now, can you tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about that show and maybe the direction you're hoping to
Speaker 1: take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the direction is what I call the natural revolution.
Speaker 2: Like I said before we started the Mind's Eye. When
Speaker 2: I first started, it was meant to enlighten people with
Speaker 2: information and to give them, you know, things that they
Speaker 2: could use in their real life. But then it started deviating.
Speaker 2: So after the deviation, I decided to bring it back,
Speaker 2: and then now I'm calling it incursion because now it's
Speaker 2: like a like a direct like, Okay, now you learn
Speaker 2: all this stuff, this is how you actually implement it now.
Speaker 2: So the direction I'm going in is more necessarily how
Speaker 2: to actually, you know, change your life. I know that
Speaker 2: sounds like crazy and broad, and it sounds maybe too
Speaker 2: like rule or like guru like, but it's more about
Speaker 2: teaching like the same spiritual concepts that got me into
Speaker 2: the Mind's Eye in the first place after I had
Speaker 2: my first shroom trip. And now I'm kind of bringing
Speaker 2: it back now that I'm twenty five, I feel like
Speaker 2: my brain's fully developed and I'm actually using it for
Speaker 2: good now.
Speaker 1: No, So I mean, hey, that's they say, it's you know,
Speaker 1: for men especially, it takes our brains a little bit
Speaker 1: longer to fully dive and evolved to what it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be and I'm not gonna lie to Whenever I
Speaker 1: was twenty five, I was a fucking idiot. Like I
Speaker 1: was not interested in anything outside of football and chicks
Speaker 1: and you know, just the the I don't know, just
Speaker 1: bottom not necessarily bottom of the barrel kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But I didn't really have a direction with my life.
Speaker 1: I was kind of just being fun and lucy goosey
Speaker 1: with a lot of things. And then something happened, dude,
Speaker 1: where I started listening to other podcasts and things and
Speaker 1: started to open up my mind a little bit. And
Speaker 1: you know, here we are five years later, damn near August,
Speaker 1: it'll be five years the culture of conspiracy has been around, baby.
Speaker 3: That's true, right.
Speaker 4: But that's the thing, though, we didn't start this when
Speaker 4: we were in our mid twenties, because we started this
Speaker 4: I think late twenties, early thirties somewhere in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sh I'm trying to think.
Speaker 4: When I was twenty five, I had direction in my life,
Speaker 4: but I was not in the direction I needed to
Speaker 4: be on.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: I was still married to the first wife, I was
Speaker 4: in college. I had just gotten out of the Marine
Speaker 4: Corps a few years back. I was trying to get
Speaker 4: my second degree in a field that I could not
Speaker 4: give a fuck less about. But it was where the
Speaker 4: money was, you know. And I was trying to get
Speaker 4: a job with decent money. And that's how that goes.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and that's the crazy thing too. You look
Speaker 4: back at who you are now as opposed to who
Speaker 4: you were five years ago, ten years ago.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to be fifty and look back on right.
Speaker 4: Now and see how far we have, you know, doubled
Speaker 4: down on certain things, veered away from certain things, whatever
Speaker 4: the case is, and be like, man, we thought we
Speaker 4: had things figured out at this point. Because I'll tell
Speaker 4: you this, dude, now heard I saw this meme. It
Speaker 4: was like, nobody is more confident than a nineteen year old. Like, boy,
Speaker 4: a nineteen year old just knows what the fuck is up.
Speaker 4: You can't tell them nothing they don't already know. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, boy, if that's not true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing is that, you know, for
Speaker 1: the longest time, I was just going with no real direction.
Speaker 1: I didn't really give a fuck about, you know, the
Speaker 1: politic for sure, and I didn't really have a spiritual
Speaker 1: I mean, I had a spiritual curiosity, but that's all
Speaker 1: it was. It was just like a dabbling. I think
Speaker 1: at that time, I was like, that was whenever I
Speaker 1: was going to church. Actually I was that's whenever I
Speaker 1: was interested in going to church. And I was going
Speaker 1: to church every Sunday, just trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: And I liked it. And you know, the people were
Speaker 1: cool and the pastor was cool or priests pastor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pretty cool. But you know, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like anything else. You know, you just grow over time
Speaker 1: and you become interested in new topics and new things,
Speaker 1: and those things eventually evolve into new ideas and everything.
Speaker 1: And I mean, dude, it's it's a wild ride. It's
Speaker 1: a wild ride. So it's it's a completely night and
Speaker 1: day difference. I'm thirty five now, twenty five year old me.
Speaker 1: I don't even fucking know that guy anymore.
Speaker 3: Dude, facts, big facts now, just crazy.
Speaker 4: That's kind of what started you in this podcasting journey.
Speaker 4: Was your first mushroom trip right now, for anybody, I
Speaker 4: don't even remember if you told us the entire story
Speaker 4: of it on the first go round.
Speaker 3: I believe you touched on it, right.
Speaker 4: How long ago was it when you had your first
Speaker 4: real mushroom trip, your first hero's dose of it if
Speaker 4: you will.
Speaker 2: Oh, man, I think I was nineteen twenty years old
Speaker 2: something like that. And I went to and I did
Speaker 2: it in the frat house, which is probably the worst
Speaker 2: place to do it.
Speaker 3: Oh God, were you a part of the fret?
Speaker 1: No? I was not. Okay, friend, I was asking no judgment,
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, I definitely was not. But my
Speaker 1: friend was.
Speaker 2: Until this day, he won't elaborate on what happened, but so, yeah,
Speaker 2: So it wasn't. Stonybrook, which is a college in Long
Speaker 2: Island for.
Speaker 1: Anyone that doesn't know.
Speaker 2: And me and my best friend Santiago, who was also
Speaker 2: a co host of The Mind's Eye, we drove down
Speaker 2: there and we went to have a party and then
Speaker 2: Devin which was his name, he was like, yo, I
Speaker 2: got something for you, and I was like, okay, what's up?
Speaker 2: And he showed us and it was penis envy mushrooms.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you've had apes your first go round?
Speaker 2: Yes, yo, No, boy, I didn't realize right into the
Speaker 2: deep end, didn't you.
Speaker 1: That's what I said.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was the strongest, one of the
Speaker 2: strongest strains out there. So I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's whatever, it's mushrooms, right, So he gave me an
Speaker 2: eighth each and we started watching Animal Planet, right, And
Speaker 2: that's not a bad.
Speaker 4: Course of action unless unless it was like Predator in
Speaker 4: praise style Animal Planet on shrooms, that would fuck me up.
Speaker 4: But if it was like, yeah, see ocean, I'm looking
Speaker 4: at like Dory in the coral reef yo, that.
Speaker 2: Would be that'd be flying now we saw I was
Speaker 2: watching like this panda one. But what happened is that
Speaker 2: my my friend some Thiago, he just got up and
Speaker 2: just ran straight to the bathroom. And him moving to
Speaker 2: the bathroom that fast kind of freaked me out. So
Speaker 2: I went and followed him and he was like, yo,
Speaker 2: there's vomiting my pants.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what what do you mean? What
Speaker 1: you mean, bro?
Speaker 3: He was like, it's like coming home from the bar
Speaker 3: and telling you what. I don't know who's shipping these pants.
Speaker 1: Somebody shipped my pants. I don't know where, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he told me that. I was like, bro, are you good?
Speaker 1: And then he was like, yo, I think it's hit.
Speaker 2: And then once he said that, it clicked in my
Speaker 2: head and it started making me trimp man. So you know,
Speaker 2: What's funny is every time I revisit this moment in
Speaker 2: my mind, I start to rediscover things that I just,
Speaker 2: you know, passed by when I was younger, because I
Speaker 2: was just, you know, you just got out the trip.
Speaker 2: There's no time to evaluate, right sure, So but I
Speaker 2: realized not recently, but after we started tripping balls, all
Speaker 2: his friends started coming home to the like from the frat,
Speaker 2: and they just were like, you know how dudes are
Speaker 2: like an house like they were just like doing their
Speaker 2: their bro stuff, and I'm just like, oh man, I'm
Speaker 2: like tripping right now.
Speaker 1: And there was this.
Speaker 2: Giant like custodian garbage can in the middle of this
Speaker 2: dining room and me and some Thiago started walking around
Speaker 2: it for like two hours.
Speaker 1: A kid, you not.
Speaker 2: We walked in around it for two hours and we
Speaker 2: couldn't leave it, and we're like, yo.
Speaker 1: Like fucking Mecca, dude. Yeah, we were just walking and
Speaker 1: we realized it too. We looked at each other.
Speaker 2: We're like, yo, we're walking around this trash can and
Speaker 2: we're like yeah, and we're like, why can't we leave?
Speaker 2: And then we're just walking around this trash can. So
Speaker 2: eventually Somethiogra just got up and just walked away. And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, wow, you could walk away, and
Speaker 2: then I walked away, and then I realized that it
Speaker 2: was kind of symbolic. And it sounds maybe like some
Speaker 2: high shit that I'm about to say right now, but
Speaker 2: like I realized that I was revolving around my shit
Speaker 2: that was on me at the time, and I just
Speaker 2: thought that I couldn't escape it. And then when I
Speaker 2: did that in this shroom trip, I kind of like
Speaker 2: broke old habits.
Speaker 1: Actually stopped smoking right after that shromp trip.
Speaker 2: Wow, And I haven't smoked since it's been about yeah,
Speaker 2: about four almost five years now since I smoked weed.
Speaker 1: Man, stuff like that. Like, dude, Now, that's the thing
Speaker 1: is that you know these uh mushroom trip trips are
Speaker 1: any kind of psychedelic trips, they're they're teachers, dude, you know,
Speaker 1: like they're they're the the great ancient teachers that will.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not even teaching you anything. They're just
Speaker 1: giving you a little bit of a different perspective so
Speaker 1: that you can learn from yourself essentially. And that's one thing.
Speaker 1: It's so symbolic because you'll be sitting there thinking like, man,
Speaker 1: like why am I seeing this, like, what is what
Speaker 1: is the deal? Why is it making me feel this way?
Speaker 1: And you just sit with it, dude. I mean, and
Speaker 1: some people go down into like a dark rabbit hole
Speaker 1: and then they have a bad trip because they can't
Speaker 1: figure it out or they they can't get over that
Speaker 1: hump in their life or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: And but once you do, dude, it's like, oh that's it.
Speaker 1: It's like there's have you heard of IBA? Gain No, dude,
Speaker 1: I again is like a dude that's a motherfucker of
Speaker 1: a psychedelic. It's like, dude, it's like way more crazy
Speaker 1: than even ayahuasca because it because it forces you to
Speaker 1: look at yourself in the mirror and help you like
Speaker 1: get over whatever it is. And a lot of people
Speaker 1: that are you know, addicted to drugs or even nicotine
Speaker 1: or anything like you, they say it's like almost a
Speaker 1: guarantee you go through a weekend trip with IB again.
Speaker 1: I think it's found in jungle somewhere. I have no
Speaker 1: idea where the fuck it's from, but they they say,
Speaker 1: you go, it's like a weekend thing, Like you're literally
Speaker 1: tripping for fucking two or three days, dude, Like it's
Speaker 1: like NonStop and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you ain't coming out of that the same way
Speaker 4: you went in. That's that's impossible, right or something.
Speaker 1: It's not like DMT, but it's I mean, it's not DMT,
Speaker 1: but it's something else like and it's just called IB again.
Speaker 1: And I guess they're trying to get it past here
Speaker 1: in the United States for like clinical and therapeutic use
Speaker 1: for people who are trying to like get off a
Speaker 1: heroin or get off of whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3: And do anotherbody looking at it for PTSD.
Speaker 2: Actually, I was gonna say that I spoke to this
Speaker 2: guy named Josh from psych X. He has this company
Speaker 2: where he does like, uh, you know, he does these
Speaker 2: mushroom things for you know, vets that have PTSD, and
Speaker 2: I think he mentioned that before, but I just kind
Speaker 2: of forgot.
Speaker 3: It's it's got that's the thing with it.
Speaker 4: No, Two PTSD patients had the same triggers, had the
Speaker 4: same traumas, And it's it's very case by case. I
Speaker 4: personally know guys that went on an ayahuasca retreat for
Speaker 4: a weekend and they came back not saying they're healed
Speaker 4: from their PTSD.
Speaker 3: But completely like it's they know what to do with it. Now.
Speaker 4: I know other guys that it kicked off a whole
Speaker 4: worse version of their PTSD and they have to go
Speaker 4: to therapy for it. So it's it's very up in
Speaker 4: the air. But on a case by case basis, man,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of people who swear that they
Speaker 4: have had positive experiences from it. So I don't know
Speaker 4: about Ibagain, I've heard that the VA is looking at it,
Speaker 4: but I believe that they would be more uh more
Speaker 4: inclined to ayahuasca at this moment than I begame because
Speaker 4: of the intensity, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But you know, the jury say that with the intensity
Speaker 2: of ayahuasca, because I'm thinking ayahuasca is the most intense,
Speaker 2: but apparently, but it's.
Speaker 4: Only lasts for like fifteen minutes to thirty minutes or
Speaker 4: something like.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, well iohuasca it is DMT, but it
Speaker 1: does last longer.
Speaker 3: All the retreats I've seen.
Speaker 4: It's it's only it only lasts like fifteen minutes, but
Speaker 4: it feels like it lasts like five hours, and you
Speaker 4: either get the pukes or the shits afterwards.
Speaker 3: So I don't I don't know. I've never experienced ayahuasca myself.
Speaker 1: I'm scared to try it. I don't even really want
Speaker 1: to look into it because I hear that it's like crazy. Dude, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to try it because you like purge and
Speaker 1: everything too, you know, which is actually pretty cool, because dude,
Speaker 1: I've heard stories where, you know, the once once the
Speaker 1: ayahuasca hits, so once you smoke it or I think
Speaker 1: it's tea actually so, but once once you drink it
Speaker 1: and it starts to hit, you'll you'll be met by
Speaker 1: some kind of somebody, some kind of something or whatever.
Speaker 1: Sometimes their machine elves and sometimes their spirits or whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck right could be even like a mirrored version
Speaker 1: of yourself, and that that entity or that thing or
Speaker 1: that person or whatever, that archetype will tell you like, look,
Speaker 1: the reason why you're you're having a hard time getting
Speaker 1: over this, or the reason why you're you're going through
Speaker 1: this or whatever, it's because you have this parasite in you.
Speaker 1: This is a crazy story. So this guy he goes,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I got this parasite in me. That's
Speaker 1: what's causing me to stay addicted to you know, sex
Speaker 1: or porn or drugs or or whatever it was. And
Speaker 1: and so the the the archetype was just like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna get that out of you. And
Speaker 1: so he went to go purge himself. Like he went
Speaker 1: to go he had to shit and puke at the
Speaker 1: same time. And anybody it's ever gone through that, it sucks, dude,
Speaker 1: it sucks. And so whenever he did, he said he
Speaker 1: literally saw I mean he's tripping as he's watching it.
Speaker 1: But as he's tripping and watching it, he literally sees
Speaker 1: parasites come out of his puke and you become like
Speaker 1: superhealed from it. So I don't know, dude, like that
Speaker 1: whole parasite conversation, it's crazy. That's all we talk a
Speaker 1: lot about, Like ivermectin and what's the other one that
Speaker 1: people always talk about. But these things that to help
Speaker 1: you like get rid of your parasites. You know, in
Speaker 1: other countries, it's normal to like take a parasite kind
Speaker 1: of pill or whatever to purg yourself with these parasites.
Speaker 1: But that's not common practice over here at all. I
Speaker 1: mean other countries where their food isn't nearly as safe.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying American food is safe for good
Speaker 1: for us, granted, but like in other countries where they
Speaker 1: really have nothing close to an FDA and your food
Speaker 1: is guaranteed gonna be riddled with parasites.
Speaker 3: Yeah, once a month, he might need to do that,
Speaker 3: But I don't know, you know, I agree with you, though.
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of Americans have a very
Speaker 4: big stigma against anti parasitic cleanses after COVID and all
Speaker 4: that shit with Joe Rogan saying he took ivermectin and
Speaker 4: then the media ran with that and said he was
Speaker 4: taking horsty Warmer even though it's been safe to ingest
Speaker 4: by humans since it was you know, created and shit.
Speaker 4: But people have a weird stigma about different things, like, uh,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I've ever done this, but i'd be curious.
Speaker 3: Like a coffee enema, right, are these things?
Speaker 4: There's so many people that rant and rave about all
Speaker 4: the health benefits of it, and some people swear by it.
Speaker 4: But you'd bring that up to your average every day
Speaker 4: Joe blow American and they look at you like you
Speaker 4: have a dick grown out of your forehead, and it's like, well,
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you got to make sure it's a green
Speaker 1: coffee anima too. It has to be like fresh. And
Speaker 1: that's what Lindsay from Roguays talks about. Dude, she does
Speaker 1: it regularly. I think she does it like every day
Speaker 1: or every other day or something crazy like that, and
Speaker 1: it sounds disgusting. I mean, you're literally like shoving a
Speaker 1: tube up your ass and then you look, look, you're
Speaker 1: literally shitting in a bucket. So I understand what people
Speaker 1: among us.
Speaker 4: Who among us has never butt chugged a beer Okay, okay,
Speaker 4: the person who hasn't soaked a tampon full of vodka
Speaker 4: and shoved it up there, it goes zero to a
Speaker 4: hundred with an quickness.
Speaker 3: Look, let's just let's just lose the ego here, Jens.
Speaker 1: That's that's an exit only for me, big dog. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but no, look I I just looked it
Speaker 1: up as so just so we can. I don't want
Speaker 1: to speak ignorantly about this IB again because there's like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good that's coming from it, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, fuck it up.
Speaker 2: But do you like smoke it or do you like
Speaker 2: like drink it?
Speaker 4: Like, how do you even take that? I thought you
Speaker 4: ingested like a paste like peote?
Speaker 1: Talk to us John, I'm about to read it all right,
Speaker 1: So this is from chat GPT. I know Jacob thinks
Speaker 1: it's fake and gay and it's gonna take over the world,
Speaker 1: but but I don't think that. So you know, it
Speaker 1: to each their own. But anyway, it says ib a
Speaker 1: gain is a naturally occurring psychoactive compound found primarily in
Speaker 1: the root bark of the tabernnanth iboga plant, which is
Speaker 1: native to Central Africa, especially Gabon. It's most famous for
Speaker 1: its powerful anti addiction properties and its deep psycho spiritual effects.
Speaker 1: So it says i begain interacts with multiple neurotransmitter systems
Speaker 1: n m DA receptor antagonist like ketamine opioid receptor modulator,
Speaker 1: helps with withdraw serotonin reuptake inhibitor, and it influences DOPU.
Speaker 1: That's a word, dopamine urg dopaminergic systems. Okay, your dopamine systems.
Speaker 1: It helps with effects on addiction, so it interrupts opioid, cocaine, alcohol,
Speaker 1: and nicotine dependence, often described as a reset of the
Speaker 1: brain's addiction pathways, and it can eliminate withdrawal symptoms in
Speaker 1: a single session. Do you want to talk about like
Speaker 1: a real legit purge.
Speaker 4: It talks about the root bark of this tree, so
Speaker 4: it's like an extract.
Speaker 3: Is it a paste? Do you smoke it?
Speaker 1: It sounds similar to DMT DMTS comes from, well, a
Speaker 1: lot of people get it from this one root bark
Speaker 1: of actually a tree that's native in Texas by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it says it can reduce cravings and compulsive behavior
Speaker 1: for months afterward. Oh shit, it lasts twelve to thirty
Speaker 1: six out God.
Speaker 4: Good God, and you don't know if it's gonna stop
Speaker 4: at twelve to thirty.
Speaker 1: Six, often with lingering after effects. The experience is usually
Speaker 1: dream like rather than hallucinogenic, a lot like DMT.
Speaker 4: Oh, you got to make sure you got the clearance,
Speaker 4: and you got a shirpa to take you up the
Speaker 4: that you're on, like somebody's straight up take care of you.
Speaker 4: Make sure you don't get dehydrated, you don't wander off
Speaker 4: into traffic, like.
Speaker 1: Holy fuck, yeah it's the common experiences are intense life review,
Speaker 1: like a death and a rebirth kind of life review.
Speaker 1: You might see visions of ancestors, spirits or archetypes, a
Speaker 1: sense of traveling through symbolic realms, and deep introspection and
Speaker 1: insights about trauma and behavior. So it comes from the
Speaker 1: bwitty be witty religion b w I t I religion.
Speaker 1: So it says iboga is used in initiation, rights and
Speaker 1: spiritual healing by the witty people of Gabon, seen as
Speaker 1: a sacred medicine that allows communication with ancestors and spiritual realms,
Speaker 1: and it's viewed as a as a teacher plant, not
Speaker 1: for recreational use. However, in the United States it's a
Speaker 1: schedule one. So of course the fuck it is. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here we go. Okay. So yeah, I knew it
Speaker 1: wasn't fifteen minutes for aahuasca. So this is where it
Speaker 1: gets crazy, all right. So DMT lasts five to fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: It only lasted two minutes for me. Psilocybin will last
Speaker 1: four to six hours. Of course, ayahuasca four to eight hours. See,
Speaker 1: that's that's where it's crazy, because DMT you're in and
Speaker 1: out in five minutes. Ayahuasca is DMT. It's a variation
Speaker 1: of DMT, and it lasts fucking four to eight hours.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, could you imagine, literally, dude, I went
Speaker 1: to the void for two minutes and it wrecked me
Speaker 1: for months. You know what I'm saying. Imagine going there
Speaker 1: for four to eight hours. Fuck that, I'm good.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: All these retreats I've heard of these guys going on,
Speaker 4: it didn't last.
Speaker 3: Even more than one hour. That's wild.
Speaker 4: I wonder if it's a dosage thing too, or it's
Speaker 4: how you ingested, because you can smoke ayahuasca or you
Speaker 4: can ingest it, right, So I wonder if maybe one
Speaker 4: is more of a fast acting and a fast metabolizing
Speaker 4: versus another.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe because yeah, I've always heard that
Speaker 1: it's a tea that you drink, so maybe yeah, me too. Actually, yeah, interesting,
Speaker 1: And then I begain. It says its primary use is addiction, interruption,
Speaker 1: and healing last twelve to thirty six hours, and the
Speaker 1: realm that you experience would be dream like and ancestral.
Speaker 1: So yeah, ancestral. And I'm sorry, Yeah, that's what That's
Speaker 1: what I said. It's just it sounded wrong.
Speaker 3: I just think you're on the same page, brother, that's all.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like your sister's like giving you a fucking lap
Speaker 1: dance and they're like, dude, get away from me. What's
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So but yeah, I mean it sounds kind of trippy,
Speaker 1: but I mean think about it though, Like the people
Speaker 1: that are coming down off of heroin, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's literally hell, like for weeks, you know, it's for
Speaker 1: weeks or sometimes even up to a month, maybe a
Speaker 1: month and a half, like it is you have to
Speaker 1: you almost have to put them in a fucking padded room.
Speaker 1: My own dude, my uncle was addicted to heroin. Like
Speaker 1: it was like nightmares, sweating, like full on rage, asshole
Speaker 1: and everything. Imagine this, You're tripping balls in this dream
Speaker 1: like realm, speaking to your ancestors for twelve to thirty
Speaker 1: six hours, and then you never think about it again.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that sounds awesome to me, but I was
Speaker 2: also thinking, but I was also thinking, like, you know,
Speaker 2: the costs of every everything has a cost, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So even though that that that medicine is,
Speaker 2: you know, has great benefits, like in that moment, it's
Speaker 2: probably hell for you, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's probably that's probably some very intensive purging.
Speaker 1: It probably feels like you're dying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But at the same time, we're talking about somebody
Speaker 4: who's got like a real addiction going on, Yeah, bro,
Speaker 4: thirty six hours and it could change your life forever.
Speaker 4: I know people who have had serious opioid addictions that bro. Yeah,
Speaker 4: absolutely lock them up in a padd room for thirty
Speaker 4: six hours and give them this rather than me getting
Speaker 4: to another fucking funeral.
Speaker 3: I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And so hopefully they're really going to start
Speaker 1: to implement that in the United States. It really should
Speaker 1: be nobody's asking for, you know, uh, people just to
Speaker 1: be able to go and buy at a gas station
Speaker 1: or anything like that, like.
Speaker 4: Fuck using that recreationally. Hell wants to recrea lose their
Speaker 4: shit for three days. I mean maybe at a music festival,
Speaker 4: I could see, but then I feel like it would
Speaker 4: kill the music festival.
Speaker 1: You used to be able to get salvia at a
Speaker 1: gas station, m not that long ago. That was just
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. And literally it's nightmare trips
Speaker 1: the entire time you're on Salvia, Like there's no good
Speaker 1: trip from Salvia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've actually heard of a good trip from Salvia either.
Speaker 1: That's what I've always heard.
Speaker 4: I've never I mean to be honest with you, I've
Speaker 4: never done much research into it. I know that it's
Speaker 4: a hallucinogenic and I've heard people say like, yeah, you
Speaker 4: should probably try that at least once, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've never heard positive or negative about it, so to speak.
Speaker 3: But yeah, wild things. I still want to try paoti though,
Speaker 3: but not just on my own.
Speaker 4: I want to go to like a Native American sweat
Speaker 4: lodge one of their ceremonies and they're giving it like
Speaker 4: to the kids and to the others. Everybody in attendance
Speaker 4: gets a little bit of a spoonful. I want to
Speaker 4: I want to vibe with it like that, you know,
Speaker 4: see what all the all the ruckus is about.
Speaker 1: Oh se Id, Actually do want to try that one day? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just to see, you know, because you hear about that
Speaker 1: as a kid. Dude, I don't even know how I
Speaker 1: heard about Payoti in the first time. That was just
Speaker 1: like something that was It's like everybody knew about Peyoti.
Speaker 4: Kind of like the lyrics of Colt forty five by
Speaker 4: afro Man. I don't think any of us ever actually
Speaker 4: learned the lyrics. We just all somehow knew the lyrics
Speaker 4: the first time we ever heard it.
Speaker 3: It's wild, dude.
Speaker 1: Afroman shot a download into all of our heads, dude.
Speaker 3: I mean essentially, but anyway away.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, do you still do psychedelics on a regular
Speaker 4: basis or was that kind of a big Heroes dose
Speaker 4: one and done for you?
Speaker 3: Where are you at with your job?
Speaker 2: I took an that didn't do another dose like a Bali.
Speaker 2: A year later, I took like this chocolate bar called
Speaker 2: the One Up Bar, and that was my last trip
Speaker 2: because that was pretty like intense and the whole bar,
Speaker 2: didn't you I hate the whole bar. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's I noticed that about myself, right, So, uh, I
Speaker 2: ate the bar first. I'd even want to eat the
Speaker 2: bar to that day. My santiago is that yoa's just
Speaker 2: eat it. And then halfway through the bar, I'm like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: let's just eat the rest, you know. So I ate
Speaker 2: the rest. And it was night in New York City.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone is like from New York
Speaker 2: City listening to this, but you know it's it's that's
Speaker 2: not really fun to be tripping balls at night in
Speaker 2: New York City.
Speaker 4: It depends what neighborhood were you in. So I lived
Speaker 4: in New York City more times I can get.
Speaker 1: I was in Washington Heights, so im oh.
Speaker 4: God, no, no, yeah, oh no, but think like maybe
Speaker 4: if we're in like in Boho, Yeah, you can trip
Speaker 4: balls and kind of walk around taking the night air nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, I was in Washington Heights, in a
Speaker 1: in a in a room.
Speaker 3: I'm in soho excuse me, South Street My bad anyway, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, it was. It was pretty intensive.
Speaker 2: The bar said it was only three and a half,
Speaker 2: but I'm thinking it was like five grams. I think
Speaker 2: they overdid it because I was tripping balls. I felt
Speaker 2: like I was in the matrix, like I felt like
Speaker 2: I was. When I looked out the window and I
Speaker 2: saw like the black sky. I felt like there was
Speaker 2: some being watching me through like a looking glass, and
Speaker 2: it was just like purposely watching me. And and I
Speaker 2: also saw my higher self.
Speaker 1: You could say.
Speaker 2: It kind of freaked me out that I saw that
Speaker 2: I was capable of infinite you know, good and infinite
Speaker 2: bad at the same time. It kind of like scrambled
Speaker 2: my brain for a minute. But yeah, that was my
Speaker 2: last trip and I didn't feel like I needed to
Speaker 2: go back after that. I felt like I needed Oh,
Speaker 2: I saw what I needed to see, and now here
Speaker 2: I am. But I also have this one irrational fear,
Speaker 2: maybe that some people may experience, but I have this
Speaker 2: irrational fear that one day I would just wake up
Speaker 2: and I'm in the basement where I first took shrooms.
Speaker 2: That freaks me out. Sometimes every time I say it,
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm a step closer to actually living.
Speaker 3: That bro singer Mod's son is No.
Speaker 4: He's an artist. Some people love his music, some people don't.
Speaker 4: But he went on a journey. He's like really good
Speaker 4: friends with Machine Gun Kelly, the older version, not the
Speaker 4: one that Megan Fox got a hold up, but neither
Speaker 4: here nor there. Right, he did a ridiculous trip in
Speaker 4: the jungle in like twenty twelve, and to this day
Speaker 4: he is convinced that he died.
Speaker 3: There, like he not his spirit, not his like third eye. No, no, no.
Speaker 4: He thinks that he oweded in that jungle, and he
Speaker 4: believes that right now he is living a dream. So
Speaker 4: because of that, he has thrown all inhibition to the wind,
Speaker 4: and he's not just like doing as thou wilt.
Speaker 3: So to speak.
Speaker 4: But basically he's living like he's gonna the dream is
Speaker 4: gonna end any second now.
Speaker 3: And that's been his mantra.
Speaker 4: Moving forward, and it's actually helped his art exponentially, so
Speaker 4: you're not alone in feeling like one day you're gonna
Speaker 4: wake up from all of this and it's gonna be
Speaker 4: a dream, or one day you're gonna get to the
Speaker 4: other side of whatever we would call this experience and
Speaker 4: be like, oh shit, that wasn't even real, Like yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something powerful about going through that death process though, dude,
Speaker 1: like it. It really does change your perspective about everything,
Speaker 1: you know, like my thing is in I feel the
Speaker 1: same way. I can actually relate to you on that.
Speaker 1: Whenever I went through my DMT trip, I had to
Speaker 1: keep on like telling everybody like is this the real reality?
Speaker 1: Like is this real? Because I thought that I was, Dude,
Speaker 1: I thought that I was fucking manifesting it like or
Speaker 1: creating it. Like it felt like it was like a
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be real, but deep down I
Speaker 1: knew that this reality wasn't. Kind of shit and it'll
Speaker 1: fucking scramble your brain a little bit like that. But ultimately,
Speaker 1: you know what's really cool is is that we uh
Speaker 1: so we did a show oh the I don't know,
Speaker 1: last week or something like that talking about DMTX, and uh,
Speaker 1: a lot of the studies that are coming from the
Speaker 1: d DMTX, which is basically the uh, it's an intravenous
Speaker 1: drip that they give you a DMT for sixty minutes
Speaker 1: consecutively because they're trying to quote unquote map the DMT realm.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I saw that. Yeah yeah. And what they
Speaker 1: found was after like putting you know, scans on the
Speaker 1: brain and stuff like that, is that whenever whenever you're like, uh,
Speaker 1: you're sober, like like you know, your your conscious mind
Speaker 1: and you're just working or you're talking to somebody or whatever,
Speaker 1: you're only ten percent of your brain up to ten
Speaker 1: percent lights up is fire, right, And whenever you're on DMT, dude,
Speaker 1: ninety percent of it is firing. And so they say
Speaker 1: that like, essentially, whenever you're on DMT, that's closer to
Speaker 1: the real reality than even what we experience on a
Speaker 1: daily basis. Now put that in crazy terms, So what
Speaker 1: you're seeing in the DMT realm is more real than
Speaker 1: this reality essentially, because we're living this illusion. We think
Speaker 1: that we got the whole we think that we got
Speaker 1: the whole fucking story right here, right, But you're only
Speaker 1: seeing ten percent of it. You're only experiencing ten percent
Speaker 1: of it. You only have access to ten percent of it.
Speaker 1: Whenever you're on DMT, I mean, that's just tripping to
Speaker 1: me that that's more real than this. And but that's
Speaker 1: the thing is that so many people come back and
Speaker 1: they say, my god, that that was way more real
Speaker 1: than even this, which sounds kind of crazy. You know, like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean more real than this? How is it?
Speaker 1: How is it possible that could be something could be
Speaker 1: more real than this? You know, because we look at
Speaker 1: real as hey, this is physical, you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go eat a sandwich or I'm gonna go take
Speaker 1: a nap or you know, whatever you do, Like that's
Speaker 1: real reality. But in there, dude, I mean the science
Speaker 1: proved it. Right there, fucking ninety percent of your brain
Speaker 1: is lighting up, and it's showing you that now you
Speaker 1: have more access to whatever the true reality is. And
Speaker 1: so that's what I kind of wanted to ask you. So,
Speaker 1: whenever you are experiencing things on psychedelic trips, are you
Speaker 1: have you gotten to the point of like thinking, because
Speaker 1: I know some people will will have a psychedelic trip
Speaker 1: and they'll just be like, oh, yeah, that was just
Speaker 1: my brain on drugs, you know, like that's just my brain.
Speaker 1: That's my silly brain. It's making all this stuff up.
Speaker 1: It's like people compared it to like dreaming, right like
Speaker 1: and just almost dismiss it as an aspect of this reality,
Speaker 1: you know, whereas I'm almost looking at it in an
Speaker 1: entirely different way, and I feel like there's something to
Speaker 1: really gain from that, you know, and not even just
Speaker 1: spiritually or anything else. Like, I feel like there's something
Speaker 1: that we need to we need to encor operate the things,
Speaker 1: the aspects of that DMT reality or realm into this
Speaker 1: reality and not just look at it as if it's
Speaker 1: a one off dream kind of thing, you know, Like
Speaker 1: have you ever thought about that? Yes?
Speaker 2: I have, and I do genuinely believe that that is
Speaker 2: definitely real, Okay. But I also think the way it
Speaker 2: could be used for at least us in these physical bodies,
Speaker 2: because for some reason, like our bodies can only experience
Speaker 2: that for a certain amount of time and then you know,
Speaker 2: we zoom back because we're tied at least right now
Speaker 2: to this three D world. But I think it could
Speaker 2: be used as a tool to completely knock you off
Speaker 2: the cycle that you're currently in, because every day we
Speaker 2: wake up and we.
Speaker 1: Do what we gotta do.
Speaker 2: Go to work, you go to school, you pay your bills,
Speaker 2: and you know the irs comes later. But you know,
Speaker 2: when you take that kind of substance, it completely knocks
Speaker 2: you off your track and it rewires the way you
Speaker 2: think about things, if you know, that's your life kind
Speaker 2: of thinking. Other people think it's a fun thing to do,
Speaker 2: which is okay to each their own.
Speaker 3: It is fun. It is fun. Let's not the gate, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is fun. It is fun. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4: Well it so it can equally be super terrifying, but
Speaker 4: with respect.
Speaker 1: But I also think it should.
Speaker 2: The way I interpret it is a way to like,
Speaker 2: if you're having trouble in certain loops and you don't
Speaker 2: understand why you're in certain things and why you keep
Speaker 2: repeating the same patterns, that substance can be a physical
Speaker 2: like thing to actually knock you off your shit for
Speaker 2: like a certain amount of time, and then you can
Speaker 2: come back with whatever information that you could bring back,
Speaker 2: because you can't bring back everything. So for people who
Speaker 2: have trouble, you know, in loops and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: right there, actually like you could take it and you're
Speaker 2: guaranteed to just get knocked off your shit no matter what.
Speaker 2: Versus have some people who try to break the loop
Speaker 2: in this world, which they still can, it's a little
Speaker 2: more difficult because you're still in the loop, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, you're still in the in the thing.
Speaker 2: Versus with that, you're able to look outside the loop
Speaker 2: and see what's going on. And that's why you get
Speaker 2: that like that discernment or that insight, oh dude.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people take a lot of like
Speaker 1: a lot of things from that realm, you know, and
Speaker 1: they turn it into art or new music or into
Speaker 1: something that they can bring into this reality, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I really like about it is
Speaker 1: that it's not just your brain. It's almost like, dude,
Speaker 1: it just gives you an entirely different perspective. It shakes
Speaker 1: you from who you thought you were, and it almost
Speaker 1: gives you a perspective of just like a like a
Speaker 1: higher self. We'll just say that, like your your your
Speaker 1: greatest highest self. Whenever you're absolutely on your game, you
Speaker 1: know you're going to work and you're staying on the
Speaker 1: on the same page during that flow state, and you
Speaker 1: know exactly what you got to do. Like that version
Speaker 1: of you is like somehow unlocked and you're able to,
Speaker 1: you know, pull something from that. And I think that
Speaker 1: that's dude. I love that I've actually implemented a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, of those kind of insights into my own reality.
Speaker 1: But anyway, you know, I know that your your show
Speaker 1: isn't entirely about the psychedelics and stuff like that. It's
Speaker 1: just a fun topic to really talk about.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, but it's a big part of who
Speaker 2: I am, which is why I actually love talking about
Speaker 2: this stuff, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love the way you laid it out like
Speaker 4: that too. It's more like if you're trying to get
Speaker 4: yourself out of that loop that you found yourself in.
Speaker 4: And everybody's got that two different varying degrees, right, I
Speaker 4: swear by it personally. I was bad off on liquor
Speaker 4: for years and years and years. I microdosed mushrooms for
Speaker 4: a few months, and it broke me of that habit.
Speaker 3: Right now.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I don't still have a drink on
Speaker 4: occasion from time to time, but I no longer come
Speaker 4: home and kill half a bottle of liquor, like it's.
Speaker 3: A habit, like that's that's horrible, right, And that was it.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like I was even going every night tripping balls,
Speaker 4: like taking two caps or whatever the case was. I
Speaker 4: used that instead of liquor or any alcohol for that matter,
Speaker 4: And then I found that alcohol killed the trippy state,
Speaker 4: which I would prefer be a little lucid and have,
Speaker 4: like the little the brighter colors, a little more lighter
Speaker 4: sense of mind.
Speaker 3: Not taking myself so seriously, if you're.
Speaker 4: Giving me the option of getting fucked up on mushrooms
Speaker 4: or getting fucked up on liquor, it's not even a
Speaker 4: choice here. Honestly, one of these is going to hurt
Speaker 4: me soon. The other one I'm gonna have a great time,
Speaker 4: like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's very easily.
Speaker 1: And that's what's so fascinating about mushrooms in general, not
Speaker 1: necessarily about all the other psychedelics, because there's still like
Speaker 1: a lot of studies being done on them, But as
Speaker 1: far as the psychedelics, it literally does feel like it
Speaker 1: kind of helps rewire your brain, which is interesting because
Speaker 1: that's what they do underneath the ground, you know, they
Speaker 1: have the whole my celial network. It's literally like the
Speaker 1: my celial highway that connects all the trees and all
Speaker 1: the plants and all the shrubs and all the grass
Speaker 1: and literally every fucking root in the ground. That is like,
Speaker 1: it's essentially like the Internet of the forest in a
Speaker 1: sense if you look at it like that, and literally
Speaker 1: like the trees will send information to other trees, like
Speaker 1: do you I don't know if you heard this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy about that. They literally communicate with other trees
Speaker 1: through the my celial network, and so that is that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And I actually heard a fun thing the other day,
Speaker 1: and I think that it's probably true, dude, that if
Speaker 1: aliens ever came here and they wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: the most intelligent race, they wouldn't talk to humans. They
Speaker 1: probably talked to the mushrooms probably. But it's pretty wild, dude, Right,
Speaker 1: that's pretty wild. That's pretty cool. Huh.
Speaker 4: So you're saying that this is a pretty big portion
Speaker 4: of what inspires your show right now. With that being said,
Speaker 4: do you every episode talk about psychedelic types of conversations?
Speaker 4: Do you bring in people who have had other types
Speaker 4: of trippy experiences? What is the basis for especially this
Speaker 4: new rebrand of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically right now, it just started, Like I
Speaker 2: literally rebranded about like ten to twelve days ago now,
Speaker 2: So basically I have a YouTube channel that rebranded, and
Speaker 2: I use this little whiteboard I got right over there,
Speaker 2: and then I teach these concepts. So basically you can
Speaker 2: see it as like the information that I'm giving has
Speaker 2: come from my trips. So I'm kind of like a
Speaker 2: person that is kind of like that door between I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm like that door between the psychedelic world
Speaker 2: in this world, except that I'm trying to do it
Speaker 2: in a way where people who don't want to take
Speaker 2: mushrooms they could still get some type of information. Obviously,
Speaker 2: everyone is going to interpret it their own way, but
Speaker 2: for people who don't want to take mushrooms but are
Speaker 2: still interested in the concepts of rewiring their mind and
Speaker 2: things like that, I hope to be that bridge between that.
Speaker 2: So as of right now, I do have things lined
Speaker 2: up for the summer. I'm having people who I've spoke
Speaker 2: to before come on the show, but as a different angle.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm gonna start having people come on and
Speaker 2: talk about those things and their experiences. People who are
Speaker 2: doing what I'm doing now at a large scale, so
Speaker 2: you know, big things are coming for encourasion, so it's
Speaker 2: definitely gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, dude, I'd love to be a part of that.
Speaker 1: Invite me, I will happily come on. Yeah, we can
Speaker 1: get fucking weird. I'm all for that. I talk about
Speaker 1: all that kind of shit on Meta Mysteries. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, just last night we got into how
Speaker 1: to uh, how to summon aliens, which was a fucking
Speaker 1: trip of a show, dude, And then it started going
Speaker 1: into uh, like you know the so you've seen like
Speaker 1: doctor Stephen Greer with the CE five experiments, uh, where
Speaker 1: they're basically it's C five it stands for Close Encounters
Speaker 1: of the fifth kind. Yeah yeah, And so he'll go
Speaker 1: out in the desert and they'll do like this meditation
Speaker 1: or like a guided meditation or something like that, and
Speaker 1: they they they have the camera out and they're just
Speaker 1: like snapping images all night on these people, and you
Speaker 1: can see these fucking entities, bro. Like it's the trippiest thing.
Speaker 1: You'll see entities weaving in and out of each person
Speaker 1: in the group and sometimes over another person. And then
Speaker 1: they'll also see like wild stuff in the sky. So
Speaker 1: they'll take like these super high powered like uh green
Speaker 1: or red lasers or something like that, and they'll shine
Speaker 1: them up in the sky, almost as if it's like
Speaker 1: a beacon of light to try and connect to whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck is up there. I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't. I really don't know. Are they spirits? Are
Speaker 1: they aliens? You know what I mean? Like, are they
Speaker 1: extra dimensional, ultra dimensional? Interdimensional? It's hard to know these things.
Speaker 1: And I know that a lot of people have had
Speaker 1: a lot of wild experiences, But I mean, is there
Speaker 1: one answer, Like, what do you think is going on
Speaker 1: with you know, with all the alien kind of stuff?
Speaker 1: What do you what do you believe about aliens?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 2: Let's just go there. Yeah, I definitely I do believe
Speaker 2: that there's other life forms out there.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: You know, ancient cultures have always talked about, you know,
Speaker 2: encountering these types of beings and things like that. But
Speaker 2: I also, like recently, have been thinking about all of
Speaker 2: these things that I've been come to know that you know,
Speaker 2: from the Internet, because I've personally never experienced any.
Speaker 1: Of this these other entities before.
Speaker 2: Not to say they're not real, I think they are
Speaker 2: It's just that I feel as though a lot of
Speaker 2: my mind has been flooded with noise from online and
Speaker 2: I feel as though that whatever information that I'm receiving
Speaker 2: from the online world is I feel like it's like
Speaker 2: a five percent that's probably really true and the rest
Speaker 2: is probably mostly bullshit. So in terms of in terms
Speaker 2: of like the what like if aliens are physical or
Speaker 2: not and things like that, I think they are, but
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 4: So so now let me ask you to expound upon
Speaker 4: this a bit, right, and me and Jonathan we're going
Speaker 4: to Prohemian Grove for anybody who like, go out there
Speaker 4: and check it out. It's gonna be in Florida. It's
Speaker 4: gonna be a blast. Neflin Death Squad is putting it on.
Speaker 4: Go to Brogrove dot com to get your tickets now,
Speaker 4: either way it goes. Now, we are gonna be on
Speaker 4: this panel talking with other content careers about what they
Speaker 4: leave as far as aliens, because, like you're saying it,
Speaker 4: like the internet's probably giving you maybe five percent truth
Speaker 4: in the grand scheme of shit. And Jonathan and I
Speaker 4: have very different opinions on aliens. I am somebody who
Speaker 4: believes in space and other planets, and that it's possible
Speaker 4: that there is life on these other planets that are
Speaker 4: making their way to Earth. There are those that believe
Speaker 4: that aliens are what we affectionately call aliens, are interdimensional
Speaker 4: beings that live on Earth with us, just in another
Speaker 4: dimension that we can't see with our human eyes. There
Speaker 4: are some that believe that they are angels and demons
Speaker 4: presenting themselves in a certain way. And I mean, there's
Speaker 4: no right or wrong answers to any of this, because
Speaker 4: who's to say one way or another right? So you're
Speaker 4: saying that they could be physical, but you're not one
Speaker 4: hundred percent sure. But if you really had to say,
Speaker 4: gun to your head, whatever the case, what you believe
Speaker 4: as far as aliens in and of themselves, where are
Speaker 4: you at as of your walk on your journey.
Speaker 2: I would say I would say interdimensional. I would say, uh,
Speaker 2: it's just like it. You know, from a logical standpoint,
Speaker 2: we don't even see most of the light spectrum, so
Speaker 2: maybe their skin is reflecting a different frequency that you
Speaker 2: just can't see. You know, their ships are probably like that.
Speaker 2: You know, who knows. But if that were my answer,
Speaker 2: I think it will be interdimensional. I think they are
Speaker 2: probably in the room or anywhere at this moment in time.
Speaker 2: It's just that we can't perceive it.
Speaker 1: Dude, I one hundred percent agree with that, and I
Speaker 1: love that you brought up you know, one percent of
Speaker 1: the light spectrum. We only use up to ten percent
Speaker 1: of our brains. We don't know what the fuck is
Speaker 1: going on all around us. I mean literally all of
Speaker 1: the ancient scriptures talk about, you know, the veil being
Speaker 1: thinner or thicker, and you know what I mean, So
Speaker 1: what's the veil? Is the veil just our limited capacity
Speaker 1: to be able to use our brain, to be able to.
Speaker 2: Sec I think that's what it is the way I
Speaker 2: describe it, And this is kind of what I'm teaching now,
Speaker 2: And what I do is everyone has these pair of
Speaker 2: sunglasses that they put on, right, and those sunglasses are
Speaker 2: your beliefs, your loops, and everything that has been going
Speaker 2: on with you since your inceptional this planet, and that
Speaker 2: right there is only like a tiny bit, a tiny
Speaker 2: sliver of reality, and if you were to remove it,
Speaker 2: which psychedelics definitely do, then you get to see things
Speaker 2: that are beyond your understanding. And that's what I feel
Speaker 2: like actually is happening. And you know what's interesting is
Speaker 2: that all these things are happening twenty four to seven
Speaker 2: around us all the time, and yet we are still
Speaker 2: here living a normal quote unquote life. So now it
Speaker 2: makes me think when I think about these things, are
Speaker 2: we in our own special dimension to be able to
Speaker 2: live this life right now? Because what if we were
Speaker 2: always aware of these things twenty four to seven?
Speaker 1: What could we do?
Speaker 2: You know, imagine being aware of everything that you saw
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven. Maybe we were at one point,
Speaker 2: that's why we decided to come here.
Speaker 1: Who knows? Almost makes you wonder what the chemtrails are for? Right?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah? And I feel like
Speaker 1: that same thing too. And I've actually had a lot
Speaker 1: of time. I always talk about this, but I've had
Speaker 1: a lot of time to really sit with that whole
Speaker 1: DMT experience that I had. And one thing that I
Speaker 1: recently have been thinking about it is, dude, is that
Speaker 1: I I I'm gonna say this without sounding weird or whatever,
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna try not to sound tood what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try not to sound too weird. But what I
Speaker 1: believe is that I witnessed a place that was not
Speaker 1: here even though it was here, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: and so I kind of feel like I have a
Speaker 1: view of what other dimensions could possibly look like that
Speaker 1: are sitting right here in front of our face. So
Speaker 1: think about it. Whenever so many people have, you know,
Speaker 1: psychedelic experiences and they see aliens or machineos or ancestors
Speaker 1: or spirits or anything like that, are they getting in
Speaker 1: a fucking spaceship to go there, dude, or is it
Speaker 1: right here right now?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And also think about like this, the people that have
Speaker 1: the people that do have like alien experiences, they're usually
Speaker 1: in some kind of meditative state, whether whether it's they're
Speaker 1: about to fall asleep or they're about to wake up,
Speaker 1: or they're in sleep paralysis, or they're in meditation, or
Speaker 1: they're under the influence of psychedelics or whatever the case
Speaker 1: may be. It's always some kind of light trance the
Speaker 1: way that they're able to see it. And if it's
Speaker 1: not a light trance, then their kids. And this is
Speaker 1: what I tell Jacob is is that I mean that
Speaker 1: that demon experience. We're not going to go into it
Speaker 1: too much, but the demon experience that you had you
Speaker 1: were a little kid, and you were seeing your grandmother,
Speaker 1: so you thought which morphed into a demon. Nobody else
Speaker 1: saw this r You know, there was something something special
Speaker 1: about the child, child like mine up to about seven
Speaker 1: some people say nine years old, to where it allows
Speaker 1: them to see a little bit deeper. It's almost like,
Speaker 1: you know, your cat is just like staring up at
Speaker 1: the fucking corner of the ceiling. You're like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck are you looking at? You know, maybe they have
Speaker 1: something in them that allows them to see a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit more than we're able to see. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I think that whatever is going on,
Speaker 1: and that's why I say that the aliens are probably
Speaker 1: interdimensional as well, or ultra terrestrial or whatever they call them.
Speaker 1: But I don't think they're from out there, Like I
Speaker 1: think it's a here thing. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: they're absolutely not from out there. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: what space is. I'm just gonna be totally real with you,
Speaker 1: like I have such a healthy distrust with everything Space
Speaker 1: agency in general, not even just NASA, all of them. Well,
Speaker 1: how many how many like videos do we got to
Speaker 1: see of people on the ISS and they're pulling down
Speaker 1: their fucking cords that they're hanging on. They're trying to
Speaker 1: simulate that they're that they're floating in gravity or or
Speaker 1: anti gravity. Essentially, it's like, why do you got to
Speaker 1: fake that? Like all the moon landing footage fake, like
Speaker 1: confirm fake. And I know what people will say, and
Speaker 1: I've actually said this before too. You know, does that
Speaker 1: mean that they didn't go to the moon, Well, of
Speaker 1: course not. But the footage is absolutely fake, you know.
Speaker 1: And some people say, well, that's just because they had
Speaker 1: to go through the van Allen radiation belt and maybe
Speaker 1: the footage didn't make it. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to think about that, But I don't know about space,
Speaker 1: and I probably we never will know about space. You
Speaker 1: have to take it on faith from these I mean
Speaker 1: seemingly higher governmental divisions that have decepted us literally all
Speaker 1: the time on every single aspect, and for some reason,
Speaker 1: we're just supposed to believe them now. And so you know,
Speaker 1: whenever people put out a telescope, and I talk about this,
Speaker 1: Jacob disagrees with it, but just to say you, people
Speaker 1: will get out like super high powered telescopes and they'll
Speaker 1: zoom in on a star and it looks like a
Speaker 1: fucking wave, dude. It doesn't look like a real physical thing.
Speaker 1: And so I actually kind of believe that they might
Speaker 1: be just fucking portals, bro Like when we're looking up
Speaker 1: at the stars. I think they're more so portals than
Speaker 1: places or things. You know, Like that sounds kind of crazy,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I mean same thing. I feel
Speaker 1: the same thing whenever i'm sunngazing. You ever you ever
Speaker 1: sung gazed before? Yeah, I've done that before. You It
Speaker 1: feels like fucking doctor Stranger is sitting there, open up
Speaker 1: a portal. That's what it looks like on some real shit.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I question all of reality and
Speaker 1: that's that's where I come to.
Speaker 4: You know, So on your psychedelic journey and as you're
Speaker 4: making content surrounding it like you are, right, are you
Speaker 4: also trying to delve into other types of psychedelics? Are
Speaker 4: you trying to make a like a once a month
Speaker 4: trip that you kind of report back to your people on,
Speaker 4: Like how are you doing this moving forward?
Speaker 2: Well, I haven't went back since that chocolate thing, and
Speaker 2: I think I'll stay like that for a while. I
Speaker 2: think I've gathered the information that I needed to and
Speaker 2: I don't feel a calling to go back. I don't
Speaker 2: feel like it will do me any justice to go
Speaker 2: back at this moment. But yeah, I'm just teaching the
Speaker 2: people what I've learned, not only from there, but in
Speaker 2: this physical world as well, and I'm just writing it
Speaker 2: in a format that is easy for people to understand.
Speaker 1: That's why I got this whiteboard over there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so now I'm just teaching people like things
Speaker 2: that they could actually practically do in this life because
Speaker 2: there's all this noise in this world. There's so much
Speaker 2: shit going on. I've completely tuned out of the news.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. And maybe that's a
Speaker 2: bad thing, but I don't think so, because at the
Speaker 2: same moment, Yeah, you know, every single time I had
Speaker 2: my phone on, I was just freaked out. And now
Speaker 2: that my phone is off, I feel better than ever.
Speaker 4: Bro, I'm with you one hundred percent as far as
Speaker 4: like detaching from the news. Right, So, I go on
Speaker 4: a silent retreat once a year, Right, I literally don't
Speaker 4: speak for three and a half days, and I gain
Speaker 4: so much from that. It's literally a meditative retreat. And dude,
Speaker 4: complete silence. Your phone is off, there's no radio, there's
Speaker 4: no TV. It is nearly you and yourself. And yes,
Speaker 4: it's a Christian thing. It's supposed to be a retreat
Speaker 4: where you and God work on your relationship with each other.
Speaker 3: Neither here nor there.
Speaker 4: Though, unplugging for three days, truly unplugging, you don't understand
Speaker 4: how loud the world really is until you get back
Speaker 4: in your car to come home afterwards and the radio
Speaker 4: is on. You left it on when you got there.
Speaker 4: You forgot all about it. It's loud, dude, The engine
Speaker 4: is loud. You get home and everybody's in, and you're
Speaker 4: so used to that, you're so accustomed to it because
Speaker 4: that's your day to day life. And it's not people fighting.
Speaker 4: It's kids running around screaming. It's the TV on in
Speaker 4: the background over here. It's the dog bark and it's whatever.
Speaker 4: It's all these things that we just have become accustomed to,
Speaker 4: which is very normal. But when you truly remove yourself
Speaker 4: from that and unplugged, you realize.
Speaker 3: Dude, the outside noise just it's all it is. It's static.
Speaker 4: It's white noise that is constantly keeping certain portions of
Speaker 4: your brain firing off to be distracted from what's important.
Speaker 3: I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: Actually, you know, I was teaching people about that in
Speaker 2: one of my episodes. I call it the Unshakable Awareness.
Speaker 2: So and basically, well, what you did was a little
Speaker 2: more like you know, out there, which I would love
Speaker 2: to do one day. But I was just teaching people
Speaker 2: that even just an hour of silence is enough to be,
Speaker 2: you know, to tap into yourself and in that because
Speaker 2: this world we live in is so like fast paced,
Speaker 2: you know, hustle culture, TikTok two seconds, boom boom everything
Speaker 2: that you don't people genuinely think they don't have time
Speaker 2: to sit down for an hour.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, you give you anxiety for the three day
Speaker 4: retreat the first entire day I'm there, I'm almost got
Speaker 4: this feeling of anxiety the whole time, like I'm supposed
Speaker 4: to be somewhere, I'm supposed to be doing something. Because
Speaker 4: that's the average everyday go go go mentality. It takes
Speaker 4: a solid twenty four hours of shutting the fuck up
Speaker 4: and breathing for you to realize, no, no, this is correct,
Speaker 4: this is natural. Take a minute, everything is fine. Just
Speaker 4: be here and be in the moment. Dude, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: An hour a day critical, fucking critical, But I feel
Speaker 4: like a lot of people can't even section off ten
Speaker 4: minutes a day to just sit there and silently meditate
Speaker 4: an hour. I mean, I agree with you, but God
Speaker 4: that some people would feel like the entire time they
Speaker 4: be thinking about what they're gonna do after this hour. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and taking the second and being present in that within
Speaker 4: themselves for an hour, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes it. It takes a lot of practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, you kind of got to get out
Speaker 1: of your own way. But that's something that we put
Speaker 1: into practice. On Meta Mysteries is med We meditate every episode.
Speaker 1: At the end of every episode, we will well, we'll
Speaker 1: do a tarot reading and then we'll like meditate on
Speaker 1: it a little bit. We'll meditate on the topics of
Speaker 1: whatever we talked about, and then we'll listen to four
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty two herds or maybe it's a guided meditation,
Speaker 1: or maybe it's the Gateway tapes or something wild like that, right,
Speaker 1: or the binual beats and shit like that, like the
Speaker 1: fucking elevator waves. Dude, you ever listen to those those? Actually, no, dude,
Speaker 1: that'll send you that'll fucking send you and with the quickness.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like because each each different frequency will
Speaker 1: have an effect a different effect on your brain. And
Speaker 1: that's why they say, like the the bineual beats are
Speaker 1: like some of the most powerful ones because it's why
Speaker 1: why they're so powerful, along with Robert Monroe's from the
Speaker 1: Monroe Institute Gateway Tapes tapes, is because most people whenever
Speaker 1: they meditate, they're trying to get rid of that logical,
Speaker 1: analytical left brain of their of their head right and
Speaker 1: get out of your own way. Stop thinking about what
Speaker 1: you're getting ready to do. Stop thinking about oh I
Speaker 1: gotta fold close, or I gotta go drive here, or
Speaker 1: I gotta do tax like get out of there. You're
Speaker 1: trying to mainly just stay in the right side of
Speaker 1: the brain and that's where, you know, that's where everything
Speaker 1: good that you need to get to is really at
Speaker 1: you know. And so but what's awesome about the bineural
Speaker 1: beats and the Gateway tapes is that they literally instead
Speaker 1: of just putting you to the right brain, it helps
Speaker 1: to like intertwine your logical and your imaginative brain. So
Speaker 1: instead of just sectoring off, it's teaching you to help
Speaker 1: like work them together, because in a regular life you
Speaker 1: are thinking that way. You're working that way. You have
Speaker 1: your right brain and your left brain. You imagine all
Speaker 1: day long, you think thoughts all day long, right and so,
Speaker 1: and then you analyze everything all day long. So your
Speaker 1: right brain your left brain and are constantly working together,
Speaker 1: and those things, those two things that I just mentioned
Speaker 1: almost help you become a little bit more aware and
Speaker 1: a little bit more conscious that you do have these
Speaker 1: two different facets of your brain that if used and
Speaker 1: fused together, Dude, it's like fucking divine alchemy at that point,
Speaker 1: Like it's if you can really get a hold of it,
Speaker 1: and so, dude, it's it's crazy too, especially after like
Speaker 1: the Gateway tape. Dude, you listen to those and they're
Speaker 1: kind of long, they're like twenty five thirty minutes, some
Speaker 1: like eighty five minutes something like that. But if you
Speaker 1: listen to them, dude, you literally feel like your shit
Speaker 1: has been rewired, Like it is next level wild, especially
Speaker 1: if you if you're sitting there and you're really trying
Speaker 1: to take it serious, you're really trying to get into
Speaker 1: that meditative mind and you you know, do the old
Speaker 1: adage of take no thought, like, don't even have a thought,
Speaker 1: just like imagine you're you're this. I always like to
Speaker 1: use this example, but imagine like you're you're an old
Speaker 1: man on a porch, right and you're just sipping some
Speaker 1: fucking lemonade or some iced tea or whatever, and you're
Speaker 1: watching all the cars go by, and each one of
Speaker 1: those cars they stand for each one of the thoughts
Speaker 1: that come into your mind. And those thoughts you can
Speaker 1: watch them go down the road, or you can stare
Speaker 1: at them, and they'll stay right there. They'll stay at
Speaker 1: like a stop sign or a red light or whatever,
Speaker 1: as long as you need them to. But the goal
Speaker 1: of the meditation is to let all of them go
Speaker 1: like and and don't feed them any kind of emotion,
Speaker 1: don't give them any kind of thought or anything, and
Speaker 1: just be like, oh that was interesting, and let it
Speaker 1: go and wait till the next one comes in. And
Speaker 1: like the the the gurus and the masters are the
Speaker 1: ones that they have no thoughts. They go to the
Speaker 1: nothing place. And and that's harder than it seems, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's that's a difficult place to to get to
Speaker 1: to literally like literally literally have no thought. At all.
Speaker 1: That's that's where the magic happens, right there. Dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. You know.
Speaker 2: You know they spend their lives dedicated to right to
Speaker 2: doing that, so yeah, that's definitely not no easy task.
Speaker 2: But you know what's interesting is, uh, when I first
Speaker 2: had my first whoa, my first, because I do think
Speaker 2: you have multiple, But I feel as though when I
Speaker 2: had my first spiritual awakening in my life was in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty during COVID, my friend something Ata came over
Speaker 2: and we found out something the Pope was wearing, and
Speaker 2: it just like opened my mind to all of these things,
Speaker 2: and I felt like a thumb was being pressed into
Speaker 2: the middle of my forehead right here. And I describe
Speaker 2: that feeling to other people, and I don't know if
Speaker 2: anyone feels that, but every single time that I do
Speaker 2: sit in silence, I do feel that feeling, and even
Speaker 2: out of silence, because I can bring For some reason,
Speaker 2: I'm able to bring that silence even though I'm here
Speaker 2: right now with me.
Speaker 1: If that makes any sense at all, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it does.
Speaker 2: But when I'm in conversations of this frequency, I would
Speaker 2: say I do feel like a like a like a
Speaker 2: finger just like pressed into my forehead. And I don't
Speaker 2: even know if that means like my third eyes activated
Speaker 2: or something, but I.
Speaker 4: Was gonna say, would you just feel like it's a
Speaker 4: positive feeling or like something's poking you like out of
Speaker 4: like a jutting you in the forehead kind of thing.
Speaker 3: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1: Well, it is a positive thing.
Speaker 2: It feels like my like my awareness has been like
Speaker 2: heightened at the moment.
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like.
Speaker 2: It feels like I'm just here fully, like the only
Speaker 2: thing that matters is just me in this conversation, whatever
Speaker 2: else is going on around. I'll get to that when
Speaker 2: I get to it. So that's kind of what it
Speaker 2: feels like. And it's you know, usually I feel it
Speaker 2: most strongly when I do sit for an hour and
Speaker 2: just chill and don't I don't even close my eyes.
Speaker 2: I leave my eyes open. I just sit there like that. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: So it's it's a method of anyone can do. Oh yeah, dude, it's.
Speaker 1: So cool too.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 1: Have you fucking been seeing like all of the telekinetic
Speaker 1: stuff that people are posting nowadays, Like basically, yes, I've
Speaker 1: seen it. I've actually heard one guy like this super
Speaker 1: Saiyan type shit, just moving it with the force, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Oh man?
Speaker 2: To be honest, I've been seeing it so much on
Speaker 2: my for you page. When I do decide to go
Speaker 2: on social media, I don't know. I mean, I think that, uh,
Speaker 2: it's definitely possible. I think that the human mind in
Speaker 2: the world that we live is a lot more whimsical
Speaker 2: than we think. But at the same token, I had
Speaker 2: to pause myself for a moment because I do find
Speaker 2: that interesting. But also I thought, like, what, you know,
Speaker 2: if I were to dive into this, like what does
Speaker 2: it do for me? You know what I mean? And
Speaker 2: I might sound very selfish or whatever, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've entered a stage in my journey
Speaker 2: where all the outside noise, I feel like there's distractions
Speaker 2: for me, you know, and unless my job aligns with
Speaker 2: continuingly to talk about those things, and you know, I
Speaker 2: don't think it serves a purpose for me at the
Speaker 2: moment in time. But it is very interesting and I've
Speaker 2: been seeing a lot of people doing it. There's this
Speaker 2: one guy I actually hit up to get on the
Speaker 2: show with me. He hasn't responded, but but yes, that's
Speaker 2: my stance on it, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Is it send poke or sena k black dude maybe, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: some black dude. Yeah, that dude him everywhere. It's OK, dude,
Speaker 1: let me, I'm gonna pull it.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna pull it up, spelled the way I think
Speaker 4: it's spelled. And this is a reference to HINTI porn.
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know. It is sin pie K sin
Speaker 3: pie K.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, so he's into the whole that whole jam,
Speaker 4: which okay, of course it's ah the tropes right themselves.
Speaker 1: Now yeah, okay, all right, check this out, dude. It's
Speaker 1: fucking insane. So it's just the he's like passing out.
Speaker 1: This is whenever he was younger, whenever he first started it,
Speaker 1: and it's basically trying to harness the energy within your
Speaker 1: hands almost like like Rayki and you're moving it literally
Speaker 1: all of this ship like fucking Matilda. Dude, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just watch dude, the the the look at that is
Speaker 1: that is that movie magic or what?
Speaker 3: You don't want me to answer this. I'm just enjoying
Speaker 3: the video.
Speaker 1: You don't buy this, dude, I mean, there's no cut
Speaker 1: in the video.
Speaker 4: Though it's not about a cut in the video. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's got that Naruto hand gesture. What's he doing well?
Speaker 1: And this is this is what people you know, It's
Speaker 1: like it has to deal with like your chakras. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, like if you ever seen iron fist.
Speaker 1: You ever seen iron fist, Josh, Yeah, I've seen iron fists. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot like that. Dude, I like all of that.
Speaker 1: It's not kung fu, but something like that.
Speaker 3: It's your chi. Yeah, you're chi right right, and this
Speaker 3: is the yep.
Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, Like, dude, I want this to
Speaker 1: be real, and I hope that it is.
Speaker 3: It's really cool if it's real.
Speaker 4: I just you know, it's like that one video of
Speaker 4: that that woman that believed her she was so strong
Speaker 4: that nothing could hit her, and she like spent like
Speaker 4: thirty minutes like making her force field, and like she
Speaker 4: believed it. I don't think this was a grifter and
Speaker 4: her followers that were like donating their energy to her
Speaker 4: and the whole night.
Speaker 3: I believe that they believed it.
Speaker 1: And what the guy ran into her just.
Speaker 4: Fucking later out and it's like, well, you know, I
Speaker 4: mean that's also like if you were to pan out
Speaker 4: from that, I'm curious that there's somebody right off camera
Speaker 4: going like at the right moment.
Speaker 3: I don't know that to be a fact. I just.
Speaker 2: You know what it is for me, and the way
Speaker 2: I look at situations like these is, you know, for
Speaker 2: all we know, this shit is probably real, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, this guy's probably doing this, who knows.
Speaker 2: I think he has the same token. I'm also thinking about,
Speaker 2: like damn, like if I spend so much time wondering
Speaker 2: if this is real, like am I gonna get caught
Speaker 2: up in another like rabbit hole? Like there's so many
Speaker 2: rabbit holes on social media, Like it's it's ridiculous. Like
Speaker 2: every day I find about it comes up on my feed,
Speaker 2: like new things that I've never heard about that apparently
Speaker 2: it's been around and people have been talking about it
Speaker 2: for twenty years. It's kind of like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what purpose does this serve? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Well, I think that it's all about like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and this is what like the Buddhists and the Hindus
Speaker 1: talk about with you know, uh, like oh my god.
Speaker 4: Your chakras, dickhead, I wouldn't be that big of a
Speaker 4: dick to this guy, but continue, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: No, it's just, you know, I think that there is
Speaker 1: something to do with chibro. I really do. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, that's our human energy or whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it. And the people have been talking about
Speaker 1: your chakras for the longest time. That's actually what this
Speaker 1: guy talks about. He says that basically, you gotta work
Speaker 1: with your your chakras and almost like charge them up.
Speaker 1: And he started out small, like at first, it's just
Speaker 1: like one empty plastic bottle and maybe it'll slightly move
Speaker 1: or something like that. But I think that if you
Speaker 1: work with it every day like this and you're really
Speaker 1: trying to attune yourself. And and this is we actually
Speaker 1: watched a video and I know, Jacob, you don't believe
Speaker 1: this stuff, but uh, there was like this uh, this
Speaker 1: fucking I don't know what he was, a kung fu
Speaker 1: guy or guru or something like that, whereas basically like
Speaker 1: these people that harnessed their cheese so much that he
Speaker 1: had this ball, like rolled up a paper ball in
Speaker 1: his hands, and he harnessed his cheese so well that
Speaker 1: the fucking thing lit on fire from Balloch dude, I
Speaker 1: believe that shit all day, Like I think that that's
Speaker 1: actually really true. I don't know. I mean, I if
Speaker 1: it's not true, then it's fascinating. But I tell you what, dude,
Speaker 1: give me, give me a couple of months, Give me
Speaker 1: a couple of months. If I let me tell you,
Speaker 1: if I can fucking do this in front of you,
Speaker 1: what would you think? What would be your.
Speaker 4: First I mean, I would say, give me a couple
Speaker 4: of months, and I can make even more convincing video
Speaker 4: than he just did easily.
Speaker 1: No no, no no, But what I'm saying is more convincing.
Speaker 1: That shit looks convincing a shit to me. But I mean,
Speaker 1: how much more convincing could you be than doing that?
Speaker 4: So we're talking about a styrofoam block, empty plastic bottle,
Speaker 4: blowing out a candle, and uh moving a metal bottle,
Speaker 4: steel bottle across the table, which magnets are a thing
Speaker 4: right like these are?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is very easy stuff to do.
Speaker 1: What about the bricks he did? He did it with
Speaker 1: bricks too.
Speaker 4: Outside that looked like some wood that wasn't exactly on
Speaker 4: concrete or on flat ground.
Speaker 3: It was in the backyard.
Speaker 4: How likely is it that he kind of made it
Speaker 4: to where it was barely standing up, and he just
Speaker 4: kind of yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: To get it to fall on Q like that though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you didn't see five minutes before the video.
Speaker 4: You saw it in that one second before he moved
Speaker 4: his hand.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, But what I'm trying to say is, though,
Speaker 1: what if if? What if I can learn this? Like
Speaker 1: if I can learn this and then I come and
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not on video, I'm there. Ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be no movie magic or anything like that. You can
Speaker 1: see me leading all the way up to it. And
Speaker 1: what if I'm able to literally perform it in front
Speaker 1: of your eyes? What would that do to your mind?
Speaker 4: I would be enthralled, I'm honestly I would. I would
Speaker 4: be stoked for you. And if you do that, and
Speaker 4: I'm not over here shitting on you, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 4: if you're able to do it, I would love to
Speaker 4: see it, my boy. Absolutely, If nothing else, we need
Speaker 4: to bring that kind of magic if you want to
Speaker 4: call it that, or chi or whatever to the stage
Speaker 4: at bro Grove, Like I'm here for it, you.
Speaker 1: Know, But that's two weeks. That's two weeks. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's long enough, or three weeks.
Speaker 4: The next one, you know, whatever, whatever, when we finally
Speaker 4: do our own cult cult a conspiracy meet up one day,
Speaker 4: a cult con if you will, I would love to
Speaker 4: see you be able to harness Chi, to be able
Speaker 4: to do some sort of spectacle.
Speaker 3: I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you know what. Three weeks challenge accepted. I'm
Speaker 1: moving fucking bottles with my Chi at bro Grove. Come
Speaker 1: and see it June twentieth and June twenty. First I'll
Speaker 1: be I'm on stage in front of the masses, all
Speaker 1: the good cult members that are going to be there.
Speaker 1: It's going to be quite the spectacle. And I will
Speaker 1: put the doubters, I mean out of their out of
Speaker 1: their doubting mind. And now I guarantee you one thing
Speaker 1: is going to happen because the the Nephelin Desk Squad,
Speaker 1: and I love them and and all their all their followers.
Speaker 1: It is a Christian show, right like they well they
Speaker 1: are they are Christian. I'm not gonna say it's a
Speaker 1: Christian show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to say, by the very barest definition
Speaker 4: of the term, like yo, right right, But I can
Speaker 4: already see it where somebody's gonna.
Speaker 1: Say, oh, that's demons. Oh you know that that's negative entities.
Speaker 1: You know that's going to be said, right.
Speaker 4: All right, But I'm just gonna say this also, now
Speaker 4: that I have this time gap to work with, if
Speaker 4: I'm able to make a fireball come out of my hand,
Speaker 4: I want to hear no shit.
Speaker 3: I want hear no shit.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, yeah, I mean you name it. I would
Speaker 1: be so stoked to be able to see that, Like
Speaker 1: you need me to do your taxes for you next year.
Speaker 1: If you're able to like have a fireball in your hand, bro,
Speaker 1: that would be not.
Speaker 3: In my hand, like shoot one out.
Speaker 1: Just show like just from your own like energy or
Speaker 1: using a flame thing.
Speaker 4: I'm okay, alright, who's to say?
Speaker 3: Are you calling me a liar?
Speaker 1: I haven't.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, Although realistically what I was gonna do,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how expensive that is, so I gotta
Speaker 4: look at it. Plus, I don't know if the stage
Speaker 4: is like can do us like it's conducive for fire,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't want to get the boys
Speaker 4: in trouble anyway. I hope you're able to do something
Speaker 4: with your chi in three weeks.
Speaker 1: Fuck it, it's conducive with my chiese, sir, I and
Speaker 1: I will I promise that I won't burn the whole
Speaker 1: place down, but I might spark a flame in my hand.
Speaker 1: We'll see. And actually, I'm gonna be kid free this weekend.
Speaker 1: So I mean I could spend twelve hours a day
Speaker 1: on doing this shit and just really fucking.
Speaker 2: You know, progress in a few months.
Speaker 3: Fucking right, dude, I'm so here for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And whenever I come on to your show, Josh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna teach you how to do it, dude, that's
Speaker 1: all right. We're gonna spend a whole day doing it. Dude.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be sick. I just I really do believe
Speaker 1: in that shit, and honestly, especially Jacob, like I wanted
Speaker 1: to do it before. Now I really want to do it.
Speaker 1: Like whenever you get people who are just, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't believe that shit and obviously like that's fake. Oh God,
Speaker 1: that's I love that.
Speaker 3: I should give the distinction here.
Speaker 4: I do believe that there are people who are born
Speaker 4: with certain abilities. For the record, I don't believe that
Speaker 4: telekinesis is one hundred percent bullshit and stage prop like,
Speaker 4: I believe there are some people out there that can
Speaker 4: do this shit, but the same kind of thing that
Speaker 4: I've told you before, right, just like these psychic mediums
Speaker 4: quote unquote, I'm not saying that there's no one out
Speaker 4: there that has like a sixth sensory type of ability
Speaker 4: that can't be explained logically.
Speaker 3: I'm with you that this is probably real.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that they're doing it on TV, then they're
Speaker 4: a fake in a charlatan, That's all I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying every time, though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, because if you're actually got that gift and
Speaker 4: you're actually turning a profit off of it, then it
Speaker 4: tells me right there that it's fake, because people who
Speaker 4: actually had that kind of enlightenment would be disgusted by
Speaker 4: trying to turn a profit off of using this god
Speaker 4: given gift other spirituality gift that they have achieved and
Speaker 4: worked hard for for fucking views.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what if it's not for that.
Speaker 1: What if it is just to show a you know,
Speaker 1: the masses and everybody else that it is possible, and
Speaker 1: it gets them interested in learning how to do it,
Speaker 1: and it gets them interested in changing their perspective on
Speaker 1: how malleable this reality is. Like It could be awakening
Speaker 1: the dragon inside of you. It could have been sleeping
Speaker 1: all along and now you see this video and it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, let me try it, and next thing you know,
Speaker 1: you're a fucking you know, like a wavebender or windbender
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck airbender, that's what it was.
Speaker 4: I I'm feeling it's more like Chris Angel or David
Speaker 4: Blaine with magic. Do I believe that there's real magic
Speaker 4: in this world? One hundred percent magic with a K,
Speaker 4: black magic, white magic.
Speaker 3: Call it whatever color spectrum you want. I don't give
Speaker 3: a fuck. I believe that that is real. Right. Do
Speaker 3: I believe that Chris Angel and David Blaine are doing that? No? No,
Speaker 3: like that that. You see what I'm saying here.
Speaker 4: I believe that, like telekinesis, there's probably somebody who can
Speaker 4: move shit with their mind.
Speaker 3: I'm not denying that.
Speaker 4: I believe that this is a real thing that people
Speaker 4: can do. Well, where's it coming from?
Speaker 3: Look? Who am I to say?
Speaker 4: If God bless these people with that gift, or if
Speaker 4: they've called upon the DA Like, I don't know this
Speaker 4: person personally, I can't speak on behalf of that.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying that if they're doing it for content.
Speaker 4: It's like, in my own brain ninety nine point nine
Speaker 4: nine nine percent fake, Like, yeah, but that's just me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be that point. I'm gonna be that point
Speaker 1: zero one, sir. You'll see, Okay, you'll see.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing.
Speaker 4: You're not doing it to become TikTok famous. You're doing
Speaker 4: it to learn about your own personal chi. You see
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I'll I'll probably throw it up
Speaker 1: on TikTok and see how many views it gets. And
Speaker 1: if I can make a couple of shekels, then hey,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that's cool right after Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I just I'm fascinated about what's possible, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I just I've always wanted to know if it is
Speaker 1: possible for people to do like these these like superpower
Speaker 1: type things, you know, like and that's that's what the
Speaker 1: the Hindus they call them cities, you know, like which
Speaker 1: are basically like superhuman powers. And and they say that
Speaker 1: you don't want to pay too much attention to those
Speaker 1: powers that you eventually learn because it would almost stunt
Speaker 1: your growth from going any farther. And so because the ultimate,
Speaker 1: the ultimate place that you're trying to get to is enlightenment.
Speaker 1: But you do achieve like these superpowers of these cities
Speaker 1: along the way. So I don't know, maybe I'll maybe
Speaker 1: I'll stop and hang out whenever I whenever I learn telekinesis,
Speaker 1: and then I'll just keep on going all the way
Speaker 1: up to enlightenment. You never know, ideally, Ideally, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm too much of a fucking heathen to really just
Speaker 1: to see how it.
Speaker 3: Goes, man, Well, absolutely see how it goes. Why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude? Yeah, So anyway, I mean, so, all right,
Speaker 1: so you're basically, I don't want to say life coach, Josh,
Speaker 1: but no, I mean, what what is Let's hear a
Speaker 1: little bit more about what you're what you're aiming to
Speaker 1: get into, and what what you're aiming to try and
Speaker 1: teach people. Yeah, so, well, one of my main things
Speaker 1: I'm teaching right now is how to collapse time. So
Speaker 1: it sounds like a very big.
Speaker 2: Thing to say, but when you actually get into the
Speaker 2: specifics of it, it makes actual practical sense.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But basically, I guess I would consider myself like a
Speaker 2: like a per mental performance kind of thing, like a
Speaker 2: mental performance coach, because that's where I'm going to lean
Speaker 2: to towards. And what this concept I'm teaching about is
Speaker 2: collapsing time. Is, you know, whenever you have a vision,
Speaker 2: let's say your dream. You have a dream of like,
Speaker 2: you know, having a certain amount of income in your pocket,
Speaker 2: or having, you know, being in a certain place in
Speaker 2: the world or whatever.
Speaker 1: A lot of people who have.
Speaker 2: That vision don't have the ability to bridge the gap
Speaker 2: between that and this world right here, because vision, you know,
Speaker 2: is only one layer of the of the of the thing,
Speaker 2: because you know, the mind has to arrive first before
Speaker 2: your body does. And when you have that vision, the
Speaker 2: next thing you need to do. He was able to
Speaker 2: zoom out because if you stay stuck on the vision,
Speaker 2: you actually get tunnel vision. It's kind of like how
Speaker 2: you look at a painting up close and you can't
Speaker 2: see but when you zoom out you get to see
Speaker 2: the painting. And you know, you're not really taught this stuff,
Speaker 2: because you know, now a loud of people don't even
Speaker 2: know how to do it to begin with. But collapsing
Speaker 2: time is essentially learning that the habits that you create
Speaker 2: and the habits that you do every single day is
Speaker 2: what leads you.
Speaker 1: Closer towards your goal.
Speaker 2: Now, the whatever goal that is for you, it becomes
Speaker 2: more tangible when you change the person you are and
Speaker 2: become the person that actually has done that already. Some
Speaker 2: people may call it manifestation. I don't call it that
Speaker 2: because it sounds I feel like that word has been diluted.
Speaker 2: I just call it like, Okay, you have a dream vision,
Speaker 2: this is you. Now you have to bridge the gap
Speaker 2: with actual habits that you build throughout your life to
Speaker 2: get there. Because some people think that it's all just
Speaker 2: that I'll think about something and it happens. Maybe that
Speaker 2: was true in another dimension, but we live here in
Speaker 2: this physical world, so our mind has to arrive there
Speaker 2: and then your body walks with you. So that's basically
Speaker 2: the main thing I'm kind of teaching people how to do.
Speaker 2: And I have a video on YouTube right now that's
Speaker 2: literally called you must collapse time to speed up success,
Speaker 2: if anyone's interested in that. But yeah, I'm teaching these
Speaker 2: concepts that basically, like, your mind is the most powerful
Speaker 2: tool that you have. You know, it's the one thing
Speaker 2: that allows you to perceive everything. And you know, we're
Speaker 2: not taught how to really think we're taught what to think,
Speaker 2: not how to think. Yeah, you know, so all these
Speaker 2: things that we grow up learning and stuff is just memorization.
Speaker 2: You know, hey, remember what two plus two is. But
Speaker 2: they don't teach you how to solve a problem that
Speaker 2: requires actual critical thinking. I mean maybe they did before
Speaker 2: I wasn't around for that time, you know, so, but
Speaker 2: basically I'm trying to bring that back, you know, teaching
Speaker 2: people how to actually rewire their mind, because some people
Speaker 2: don't even have the ability to see the vision.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I know people who have these dreams and they're like,
Speaker 2: I just can't see it, and I say, well, wow,
Speaker 2: why can't you see it? I can see it clear
Speaker 2: as day what I want to do. But apparently it's
Speaker 2: you know, not a lot of people have that vision.
Speaker 2: And that's that's something that you know, I didn't know
Speaker 2: that you could actually like teach people how to do.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what I'm doing at this moment, Oh.
Speaker 3: Teaching people how to get out of their own way.
Speaker 1: Get out of their own way essentially. Yes, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something really to that shit too, dude. And like,
Speaker 1: if you fully immerse yourself in the vision and the
Speaker 1: dream that you have. It's like it almost it almost
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it paves its own way,
Speaker 1: but I will say that almost, Like your brain is
Speaker 1: now looking for all the opportunities and it's more open
Speaker 1: for all the opportunities to present to you. So and
Speaker 1: and that's all it is. It's just like, are you
Speaker 1: going to take advantage of those opportunities or you're going
Speaker 1: to sit on Instagram for another twenty minutes or TikTok
Speaker 1: for another half an hour? Are you gonna you know, like, uh,
Speaker 1: just stare off into nothingness, Like you're going into the
Speaker 1: lower mind essentially, and you're just consuming and consuming and consuming.
Speaker 1: And if you get out of that consuming type of
Speaker 1: stage where you're looking for the next thing you can
Speaker 1: buy off an Amazon or whatever. If you get yourself
Speaker 1: out of there and almost have like a one track mind,
Speaker 1: you can, dude, I feel like you can really get there.
Speaker 1: And it's a consistency thing because anybody can do something
Speaker 1: for a week, anybody can do something for a fucking month,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's not that impressive. But where people
Speaker 1: because people have these bright ideas and they might be
Speaker 1: really really ambitious about it, and like maybe they have
Speaker 1: a real reason to even do it, But then they
Speaker 1: get in their own way and they can't remain consistent
Speaker 1: with it. And I think that that's the key to
Speaker 1: every single thing, is your consistency towards it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like people will get on diets and like lose twenty
Speaker 1: or thirty pounds and like, oh my god, I'm feeling
Speaker 1: so much better.
Speaker 3: And this is me.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll get down to a weight that I
Speaker 1: want to get to, and I'll be working out every
Speaker 1: day and then I'm like, you know what, I look
Speaker 1: pretty good. Maybe I'll take today off and then it
Speaker 1: just fucking compounds and compounds, and the next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: you gain forty and you're you're in worse shape than
Speaker 1: when you before you started the diet and everything.
Speaker 2: You know, oh, absolutely have to Yeah, you have to
Speaker 2: hack your mind to like love the hard shit because
Speaker 2: that stuff is so it's hard. You know, it's hard
Speaker 2: to consistently do something for years. I mean I've been
Speaker 2: doing this, mind's eyes shit for four years. You guys
Speaker 2: have been doing this for however long you have, Like,
Speaker 2: you know that that's hard shit, even when stuff is
Speaker 2: not paying off, especially when stuff is not paying off,
Speaker 2: that's the part ninety nine percent of people quit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you gotta love the process itself, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, and I mean that's work. Like nothing in
Speaker 4: this life, nothing in this world is just going to
Speaker 4: be handed to you. Well, there are some people that
Speaker 4: are born with a silver spoon, and I'm fine, Fine,
Speaker 4: that's that is the rarest of exceptions for the vast
Speaker 4: majority of us. Like Jonathan, like you said, it's about
Speaker 4: being the difference between being somebody who is a consumer
Speaker 4: and somebody who is a creator. Is the creator decided
Speaker 4: to actually get up and do it and consistently did
Speaker 4: it over and over again until they got better at it.
Speaker 4: It could be It could be painting, okay, and I'm
Speaker 4: not saying becoming like a world famous artist or nothing
Speaker 4: like that. But if you want to start painting, but
Speaker 4: you've never went and bought art supplies, you've never sat
Speaker 4: down and learned or even watched some YouTube, watch more
Speaker 4: Bob ross Bro, watch a little White Afro Man himself
Speaker 4: and learn about brushstrokes. And if you never actually put
Speaker 4: brush to paper or brush to canvas, I should say,
Speaker 4: then you'll never become a painter.
Speaker 3: And whatever the.
Speaker 4: Case may be, if you want to be more enlightened,
Speaker 4: if you want to be more educated, if you want
Speaker 4: to be more more musically gifted, whatever the case would be.
Speaker 4: It's about you got to decide that you're willing to
Speaker 4: actually put put put your ass in the position to
Speaker 4: do it right. Opportunities come, opportunities will come and go,
Speaker 4: money will come and go, Relationships will come and go.
Speaker 4: Everything in this life, including this very life, is temporary.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm not trying to have a spiritual conversation about
Speaker 4: what happens after death. I'm talking about this cycle that
Speaker 4: we're on right now, this human body, this carbon based
Speaker 4: flesh shoot that we're in, this bitch is temporary. Okay,
Speaker 4: So what are you going to do with it? While
Speaker 4: you got it? You can waste the opportunity that is
Speaker 4: a freedom that you have. That's your prerogative, and you'd
Speaker 4: rather sit there and doom scroll every single day for
Speaker 4: the rest of your life wishing that man, I wish
Speaker 4: I could be dot dot dot, I wish I could
Speaker 4: do dot dot dot. Then that's all you'll ever do
Speaker 4: is wish and want. But there are those that get
Speaker 4: up and decide to know what I'm gonna give it
Speaker 4: the old college try. I'm gonna see what it is
Speaker 4: and maybe, just maybe the door will open to you
Speaker 4: one day where you decide that, you know what, maybe
Speaker 4: this is worth betting it all on. Maybe I believe
Speaker 4: in myself enough in this path or on this journey
Speaker 4: or whatever this would be to.
Speaker 3: Take this step.
Speaker 4: And some people see that opportunity and turn away from it,
Speaker 4: which and that's fine too. You know, there's no right
Speaker 4: or wrong way to do life. But I, for one,
Speaker 4: refuse to be laid up on my deathbed at the
Speaker 4: ripe old age of fifty and look back at my
Speaker 4: life and decide, Man, I wish I would have done
Speaker 4: dot dot dot.
Speaker 3: I fucking bet not. Okay, I can't have that.
Speaker 1: Well, And that's why it almost has to Everything has
Speaker 1: to start as a hobby, though, Like you have to
Speaker 1: legit enjoy doing what you're doing, because if you hate it,
Speaker 1: then you're never gonna get good at it. Like you
Speaker 1: have to almost fucking love it beyond level. You have
Speaker 1: to obsess about it. And I feel like that's kind
Speaker 1: of what we did over here, Like we were obsessed
Speaker 1: in the beginning, especially with conspiracies, wanting to know and
Speaker 1: everything was still you know, pretty brand new and even
Speaker 1: to this day, a lot of the information that we
Speaker 1: cover is very brand new. But it's like an obsessive thing,
Speaker 1: like we need to know about this, we need to
Speaker 1: know about that, what's the history on this, what's the
Speaker 1: future possibility look like on that kind of thing. And
Speaker 1: there's actually if you ever heard of Malcolm Gladwell, he
Speaker 1: has the ten thousand hour rule that essentially, if you
Speaker 1: do anything for ten thousand hours, you can become an
Speaker 1: expert in it. And that's you know, that's around about it.
Speaker 1: Depending on whatever it is, like, some things are gonna
Speaker 1: be harder, somethings are going to be easier, you know,
Speaker 1: but typically around ten thousand hours if you immerse yourself
Speaker 1: into it. And that's not even just like like say
Speaker 1: for this, like for shooting an episode, right, you know,
Speaker 1: our show is typically last two to three hours. There's
Speaker 1: a lot more hours behind the scenes that go into
Speaker 1: making every single show. Right. It's coming up with a concept,
Speaker 1: it's doing the research, it's doing even deeper research and
Speaker 1: then learning it all yourself so much to where you
Speaker 1: can talk about it like like like in the best
Speaker 1: way that you know you can whenever, whenever the time comes,
Speaker 1: and so there's a lot of time that goes into it.
Speaker 1: Do you run episode eight hundred in something?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't even done eight hundred episode. I've done
Speaker 2: about one hundred and sixty, I mean.
Speaker 3: Fair enough.
Speaker 4: But we're also running, you know, seven days a week.
Speaker 4: But that's that's different though. But to your point, John,
Speaker 4: at than one hundred percent, Like it's this is dad
Speaker 4: advice that I feel like all of us should have gotten,
Speaker 4: but a very few of us actually got. Right, find
Speaker 4: what you love to do, then find a way to
Speaker 4: make money off of it. Yeah, Okay, Now, granted some
Speaker 4: people that's gonna be harder than others.
Speaker 3: I get that. Me and Jonathan love talking. We love
Speaker 3: running our fucking mouths.
Speaker 4: Okay, Now, ten years ago, if you would have told
Speaker 4: me I would get paid to talk, I would have
Speaker 4: said that you're out of your fucking mind. How did
Speaker 4: I know that podcasting would be a thing for the future, right,
Speaker 4: I had no idea. But that's the thing, like, like
Speaker 4: we're talking about, you gotta love the process. You gotta
Speaker 4: love the work that you're putting in to achieve your goal.
Speaker 4: And if you can find and everybody's different, everybody's got
Speaker 4: a thing that makes their their heart flutter and makes
Speaker 4: their mind just explode with ideas and inspiration. Whatever that
Speaker 4: is to everybody, right, find a way to do that
Speaker 4: to the best of your abilities.
Speaker 3: Opportunities will come along for you to capitalize on that.
Speaker 2: Later on, mm hmm, I heard this saying that you know,
Speaker 2: consistency will outshine talent all the time because you know,
Speaker 2: the person who's very talented already feels like they're the
Speaker 2: best at it, so they will just stay where they
Speaker 2: are because they're already talented in that field. The person
Speaker 2: who's consistent twenty four to seven will catch up to
Speaker 2: that person and eventually surpass them and whatever shape that takes.
Speaker 1: Dude, one hundred percent, let me tell you something like
Speaker 1: pretty wild. Actually, so whenever I so, I'm originally from Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: but then I moved to Louisiana whenever I was sixteen.
Speaker 1: Whenever I was living in Pennsylvania, I went to a
Speaker 1: one A high school with sixty kids. In my entire grade,
Speaker 1: there was about I don't know, twenty kids on the
Speaker 1: football team, which you know is from over there. Like
Speaker 1: you could play varsity football in eighth grade, Like if you.
Speaker 3: Were had if the team was going both ways, is
Speaker 3: what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of them, some of them definitely were. I
Speaker 1: was doing both ways, which I go.
Speaker 3: Line was also that d line, you feel me.
Speaker 1: I used to love that, bro. I would play fucking
Speaker 1: d end and then little guard on offense. Dude, I
Speaker 1: love that. And I never got tired or anything, which
Speaker 1: is awesome. But and then I moved to Louisiana to
Speaker 1: a five A high school, Dutch Day Dutchtown High School,
Speaker 1: and I literally went to high school with two NFL
Speaker 1: football players, right, And Dude, whenever you walk into that
Speaker 1: gym and you see these fucking people for the first time,
Speaker 1: it's like looking at gods. Bro. Like, I was like
Speaker 1: so fucking normal, you know, like normal size, which I
Speaker 1: thought I was actually I used to be. I used
Speaker 1: to think that I was kind of big for my
Speaker 1: size and my age and everything because I played on
Speaker 1: the line. You know, the linemen are usually your biggest boys. Right.
Speaker 1: And then I come here or not here, but to Louisiana,
Speaker 1: and I see these gargantuan like monsters of men. And
Speaker 1: I went to high school with if anybody knows Eddie Lacy,
Speaker 1: who went on to he was a running back. He
Speaker 1: went to play for Alabama with Nick Saban, and then
Speaker 1: he went to play in the NFL. He played for
Speaker 1: the Packers, right, and I also played with and this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a fun conspiracy name, and he was
Speaker 1: actually my next door neighbor is Eric Reid. Eric Reid
Speaker 1: went to go play at LSU and then he went
Speaker 1: to go play for the forty nine ers and a
Speaker 1: couple of other teams. But he was the guy. He
Speaker 1: was like the right hand man to Colin Kaepernick with
Speaker 1: all that black lives matter shit, and but yeah, I
Speaker 1: just remember especially Eddie Lacy, you know, dude, he never
Speaker 1: even had to work out, Like he never had to run,
Speaker 1: he never had to lift weights, just fucking god structure
Speaker 1: of a body and just naturally gifted, I mean the eyes,
Speaker 1: the vision, the quickness, the agility. Would I mean literally
Speaker 1: he would be running through the hole and he would
Speaker 1: tell you what he's going to do and you would
Speaker 1: still miss it. Like literally he would be running through
Speaker 1: the hole. Like let's say he's running through fucking h
Speaker 1: the a gap or whatever, right, and he's he's gonna
Speaker 1: hit the hole. He'll tell you circle button, which means
Speaker 1: he's gonna spin right like Madden Madden Terms, and he
Speaker 1: would just fucking just take off right and you even
Speaker 1: if you got arms on him, he would bulldoze you
Speaker 1: like just a monster. Right, Dude, he goes to the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's awesome, you know, for his first couple of years,
Speaker 1: but then he stops working at it and he ends
Speaker 1: up getting fat. And he loves this. He always said
Speaker 1: that he loved like Chinese food and everything. Dude, he
Speaker 1: ended up, Dude, he became known as fat Eddie. He
Speaker 1: was basically like literally like he became he became essentially
Speaker 1: like my generation's Jerome bettis like a big fat boy
Speaker 1: in the backfield. Right. Oh no, he stopped working at it.
Speaker 1: He stopped working at it. He got lazy. He relied
Speaker 1: too much on his natural gifts. And so I think
Speaker 1: that's that's like a really good you know comparison there.
Speaker 1: And then you'll see other people that maybe they weren't
Speaker 1: huge in high school. You know Eric Reid for example, Dude,
Speaker 1: he was scrawny in high school. Like I was bigger
Speaker 1: than him, I was faster than him, I was stronger
Speaker 1: than him. I thought I knew football a little bit
Speaker 1: better than him. Next thing, you know, he's playing for LSU.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, he's playing for the same Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. He worked at it, you know, and
Speaker 1: he got there and he put into work and he
Speaker 1: ended up having a good career you know as a result.
Speaker 4: So fighting with the armored combat like I do, has
Speaker 4: taught me one thing. If it's taught me anything, has
Speaker 4: taught me one thing. If you think you're working hard enough,
Speaker 4: you're wrong. You are so wrong that the minute you
Speaker 4: think all right, that's enough, you you've already lost because
Speaker 4: there's somebody out there putting in three more hours that
Speaker 4: day than you just did.
Speaker 3: No, no two ways about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So it's you know, it's definitely about getting
Speaker 1: out of your own way and stop just resting on
Speaker 1: your laurels as they say, right, and always just trying
Speaker 1: to evolve. So that's that's kind of like what you're
Speaker 1: talking about is essentially, you know, just trying to get
Speaker 1: out of your own way and out hustle and out
Speaker 1: pace I mean, forget about competition, like you're competing against
Speaker 1: yourself is really what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's the that's the most difficult part
Speaker 2: because we're used to having accountability from other people or
Speaker 2: other structures in her life. And when you're finally in
Speaker 2: a place where you know, you get out what you
Speaker 2: put in is kind of like, damn, so it is
Speaker 2: all my fault, and you know, it's hard to accept
Speaker 2: that that. You know, the reason why certain things are
Speaker 2: probably not working in either your business or your personal
Speaker 2: life is most likely from the decisions that you made,
Speaker 2: you know, and you don't see it because you're in it,
Speaker 2: But when you step out and you actually get to
Speaker 2: see it, you're like, damn, well, yeah, that makes total sense.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like why you know how therapists
Speaker 2: can pretty much give therapy to everyone, but they're like
Speaker 2: still drinking your shit on the side. You know, therapists
Speaker 2: have their own therapists too.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's just like that, no, I agree with you, And
Speaker 4: that's something that me and Jonathan have also had to
Speaker 4: learn working for ourselves and owning our own business and
Speaker 4: all this other shit. Like, bro, there is no more excuses,
Speaker 4: like the buck stops with us.
Speaker 3: If something happens and.
Speaker 4: We don't do well enough, it's because we didn't do
Speaker 4: well enough.
Speaker 3: There's no fingers to point in any direction. And You're
Speaker 3: absolutely right, Bro.
Speaker 4: That's and that's kind of for somebody to take that
Speaker 4: on not just business, but even in personal life and
Speaker 4: take not just personal responsibility, but understanding the gravity of
Speaker 4: that right, Understanding that like it is up to me
Speaker 4: whether I thrive or fail today, Like that's that's something
Speaker 4: that a lot of people have a hard time grasping.
Speaker 4: I've said this before, and I'll probably die on this
Speaker 4: hill one day. I feel like the American people have
Speaker 4: this weird version of what they believe. Freedom is right.
Speaker 4: True freedom is terrifying right. True freedom is full responsibility
Speaker 4: for yourself. No one's coming to help, no one's got
Speaker 4: your back. And now I'm not saying that we shouldn't
Speaker 4: have each other's backs and take care of each other.
Speaker 3: We should have this sense community.
Speaker 4: But my point is true absolute freedom means that you
Speaker 4: are one hundred percent taking all responsibility for however this
Speaker 4: shit shakes out.
Speaker 3: I have a.
Speaker 4: Belief that most Americans don't actually want freedom. They want
Speaker 4: the freedom to be comfortable rights. That's more of what
Speaker 4: they're thriving towards. You want to see true freedom. The
Speaker 4: Alaskan dude that's living in a log cabin one hundred
Speaker 4: miles away from civilization. That dude is as free as
Speaker 4: you could possibly fucking get. He can do whatever he
Speaker 4: wants and no one is coming to stop him. But
Speaker 4: also if a bear attacks him, he's on his fucking own.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. Yeah, there's some give and
Speaker 3: take with that.
Speaker 1: Mm yeah, yeah, there's definitely there. There is something to it, dude.
Speaker 1: You know, we all love our comfort and everything, but
Speaker 1: ultimately that's kind of what the system relies on, as
Speaker 1: people being comfortable and reliant, you know, and place it
Speaker 1: and complace it and that whole consumerism and materialism and
Speaker 1: everything else. And it's just trying to get out of
Speaker 1: your own way to be able to transcend that in
Speaker 1: a sense. And I think that you know, whenever you're
Speaker 1: the the thing about getting in your own way is
Speaker 1: that most of the time you don't even know you're
Speaker 1: doing it, you know, like it's like you're in this
Speaker 1: fucking true just.
Speaker 3: Do what everybody else is doing.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not bad, but one hundred percent everybody's
Speaker 4: in their own fucking way, man, right.
Speaker 1: And even conversely, like so you can actually look at
Speaker 1: habits like a habit and in multiple different ways, right. So,
Speaker 1: like and I've heard like sach Guru and stuff like
Speaker 1: this talk people like him talk about this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And basically, a habit is something that you do that
Speaker 1: you're not even really fully aware in the moment that
Speaker 1: you're doing it, you know, And that can work in
Speaker 1: multiple ways. So if you get in the habit of
Speaker 1: meditating every morning, well you don't even really have to
Speaker 1: work for it, you know, you can just get up
Speaker 1: and do it. You get in the habit of like us,
Speaker 1: you know, researching for a show and trying to get
Speaker 1: guests and you know, thinking of topics or whatever and
Speaker 1: looking out into the world see what's going on. You
Speaker 1: can get in the habit of that. But ultimately the
Speaker 1: goal is to just transcend even the habitual ways and
Speaker 1: try and remain as in the moment as you possibly can,
Speaker 1: because once you're in the moment, you're not thinking about
Speaker 1: you're not stressing about what's coming next, you're stressing about
Speaker 1: what you got to do later, and you're also not
Speaker 1: really thinking so much even about your past if you're
Speaker 1: truly living in the moment. And so you know, you
Speaker 1: want to really try and transcend all kind of habitual
Speaker 1: shit in general, because you're not You're you don't have
Speaker 1: that level of awareness. You're just like saying, you know,
Speaker 1: all right, computer mechanism in my mind, just do what
Speaker 1: you do like you're not even doing it, you know.
Speaker 1: So getting out of the habitual stage is definitely something
Speaker 1: that you should be working on too, I think.
Speaker 2: And I heard something along those lines that once you
Speaker 2: become aware of a habit, now it becomes a choice
Speaker 2: if you keep doing it. Yeah, yeah, crazy, I could
Speaker 2: get down with that, dude.
Speaker 4: Everybody is a choice at every second of every day,
Speaker 4: even and you really realize that. And I don't know
Speaker 4: if you have kids yet or not, or whatever the case,
Speaker 4: but that becomes very abundantly clear whenever you have children,
Speaker 4: because you realize that from the moment you open your
Speaker 4: eyes every morning to the moment you close your eyes,
Speaker 4: what time you even open your eyes in the morning
Speaker 4: and what time you go to bed at night is
Speaker 4: completely dependent, Like everything you do has an effect on
Speaker 4: your child in one way, shape or form or another. Right,
Speaker 4: and you realize that everything is a series of choices.
Speaker 4: Some are better choices than others, some are completely incorrect choices,
Speaker 4: whatever the case is. Everybody's got their own life journey
Speaker 4: that they're walking, right. But everything is a choice. Even
Speaker 4: choosing not to decide is still a choice. To quote
Speaker 4: the Great Rush if you will.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent. Man.
Speaker 4: It's and whenever you're aware of a habit that you're doing.
Speaker 4: Some habits are very good.
Speaker 3: Some habits are good.
Speaker 4: Working out is objectively a very good habit to take on,
Speaker 4: and that is also a choice. You have to choose
Speaker 4: to work out, you have to choose to push yourself
Speaker 4: to new limits. Adversely, choosing to drink a two liters
Speaker 4: or coke every day, that's a choice. That's a habit
Speaker 4: some people that's an absolute habit, but that is a
Speaker 4: choice that can absolutely lead to your demise.
Speaker 3: Life is a series of choices, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So what are what are some other
Speaker 1: things that you got planned for the future? You said
Speaker 1: you got a couple of different things that you got
Speaker 1: planned and things that you want to get into. What
Speaker 1: are some other ways that you're trying to help kind.
Speaker 2: Of Well, not only so basically, not only am I
Speaker 2: giving away like all this information for free because I
Speaker 2: think information should be free. So I'm pretty much giving
Speaker 2: all my sauce online. That's sounding crazy to say, but
Speaker 2: you understand what I'm saying. Yeah, so I'm giving that
Speaker 2: stuff away, but I'm also offering, like, you know, if
Speaker 2: people want to work with me personally to do that too.
Speaker 2: So I'm doing that on the back end side, but
Speaker 2: on the front end side, I am trying to just
Speaker 2: give this information to as much people as possible and
Speaker 2: whoever benefits from it great, and whoever doesn't, well that's
Speaker 2: great too, I guess. And on the back end, you know,
Speaker 2: people have you know, they have my links aver, my website,
Speaker 2: they can come work with me personally and we could
Speaker 2: you know, work together to see what's going on. In
Speaker 2: that aspect, I'm mostly in working more with people who
Speaker 2: own businesses because I'm applying like these concepts to people
Speaker 2: who own businesses, so it's like a little more targeted
Speaker 2: that way, So I'm not just working with everyone. So
Speaker 2: that's kind of the thing I'm going with. So entrepreneurs
Speaker 2: who are stuck in these patterns. You know, just because
Speaker 2: you make a certain amount of money doesn't mean you're
Speaker 2: immune to not falling into patterns and things. So that's
Speaker 2: kind of where I'm leaning towards right now, and everything
Speaker 2: around that is centered, yeah, in this rebrand. So this
Speaker 2: rebrand is pretty much the new evolution of what.
Speaker 1: The minds I was.
Speaker 2: And you know, going through that phase was actually kind
Speaker 2: of difficult to shed all of that stuff off of me,
Speaker 2: of the Mind's Eye, because you know that the mind's
Speaker 2: Eye was my baby, you know, and breaking away from
Speaker 2: that and shedding that part of myself like it just
Speaker 2: like it felt like you know, an ego death, to
Speaker 2: be honest, like it felt like it his own psychedelic experience.
Speaker 2: Like I have this thing where I install thirty day
Speaker 2: challenges with myself, and I have a goal for each
Speaker 2: thirty day challenge, and for thirty days, I would regular
Speaker 2: eleasly work on towards that goal. And my goal that
Speaker 2: I had before was to you know, sell this program
Speaker 2: that I'm doing to help people. And through that process,
Speaker 2: I realized the one thing that I was holding on
Speaker 2: to was letting me stay anchored in the same position,
Speaker 2: and that was the Mind's Eye. It was sitting there
Speaker 2: for months doing nothing, like we haven't posted anything in
Speaker 2: seven months, stay.
Speaker 1: On the Mind's Eye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, me and my business partner and
Speaker 2: also my friend Sean, we we.
Speaker 1: Were doing other things.
Speaker 2: On the other end, we had like a we're helping
Speaker 2: people grow their social media because you know, that's how
Speaker 2: we grew our show, and we were working with some guy.
Speaker 2: Long story short, didn't work out. But after that, you know,
Speaker 2: I still had this drive to like do something more
Speaker 2: and we weren't seeing eye to eye, so I had
Speaker 2: to like make a hard decision for myself and you know,
Speaker 2: just pull everything back and rebrand everything. And it was
Speaker 2: pretty painful. I'm not gonna lie and not saying I
Speaker 2: was crying, but it sucked, you know what I mean
Speaker 2: to be to pull that, h like pull that and
Speaker 2: just rip it apart, because then you have to admit
Speaker 2: to yourself at the same token that damn that dream
Speaker 2: right there that I had for this show didn't pan out.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that it's not that not new
Speaker 2: things can come out of this, oh for.
Speaker 1: Sure, dude. Yeah, that's I don't even know what the
Speaker 1: fuck I would do if we decided to stop doing
Speaker 1: this show one day, Jacob, I don't even want to
Speaker 1: think about that. I don't think that it's ever going
Speaker 1: to happen. But could you you can, like, could you
Speaker 1: imagine like what your fucking life would be like if
Speaker 1: we didn't do this.
Speaker 4: No, I'm gonna be straight up, But that's also because
Speaker 4: we have. We have fallen in love with the process
Speaker 4: and the work that's associated with this so much that like,
Speaker 4: then that's the thing.
Speaker 3: We've had this a million times.
Speaker 4: And it's very true at least, you know, as far
Speaker 4: as my level of research that I do, the types
Speaker 4: of random things that I dive into, I have been
Speaker 4: looking into conspiracies long before I ever met you, right
Speaker 4: long before I even.
Speaker 3: Knew what a podcast was.
Speaker 4: So even if, for whatever reason, tonight this is our
Speaker 4: last episode ever aired, there's no way that I can
Speaker 4: stop at this point, Like I would be just kind
Speaker 4: of doing this to myself and just looking into all
Speaker 4: of this research and just like finding all this stuff
Speaker 4: out and just like internalizing all of it, and I
Speaker 4: would feel like I would be doing a disservice by
Speaker 4: not sharing it. Like I I don't know how I
Speaker 4: could continue, honestly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people fall into k holes. We fall into
Speaker 1: rabbit holes. Baby facts facts.
Speaker 4: Good god, there's no way that you can recalcify the
Speaker 4: third eye once it's been busted.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, why dude, there's no way there's no going
Speaker 1: at all. There's no going back at all.
Speaker 4: And I do know what you mean as far as
Speaker 4: like having a dream that didn't exactly pan out, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I that was me with the Marine Corps.
Speaker 4: Honestly, my life goal was to join the Marine Corps
Speaker 4: and I was I knew that I was gonna be
Speaker 4: a career guy. I was gonna be in for twenty.
Speaker 3: Maybe even thirty, who knows.
Speaker 4: Yeah, about two years, and I was like, yeah, this
Speaker 4: is not this is not the way for me. Cause
Speaker 4: especially we were going into peace time and there was
Speaker 4: no more money being associated with They cut funding, there
Speaker 4: was no combat deployments going on. It's like, why would
Speaker 4: I join a combat arms to not go kill people?
Speaker 4: Like this is what combat is for. This is fucking retarded.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was time, you know. Plus it was
Speaker 4: Obama don't ask don telguy Refield. They started talking about
Speaker 4: letting women in the infantry and I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm good here, it's time to go home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine how that would suck. I mean,
Speaker 1: but even if you weren't an infantry, like, what would
Speaker 1: you Is there any other branch of the Marines that
Speaker 1: like tickled your your fancy a little bit that maybe
Speaker 1: would have been fun to dive into.
Speaker 4: I tried, uh, actually doing a lap move, a lateral
Speaker 4: move to the intel side of things, right, and it
Speaker 4: was gonna do uh, I was gonna do satellite imagery analysis.
Speaker 4: So basically I'd have been working with satellites looking at
Speaker 4: the pictures they take of certain compounds and things on
Speaker 4: the ground, like, for instance, the raid that took out
Speaker 4: Bin Laden right aka tim Osman, that's a CIA handle name.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: When these guys made that raid happen, they knew which
Speaker 4: direction to turn every door knob in the house to
Speaker 4: get in. Some turn the left, some turn to the right.
Speaker 4: All these things. That intel was gathered through satellite imagery.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: They had videos of watching guys how they turned door knobs.
Speaker 4: So that because you need all that, you don't want
Speaker 4: your team to get there and oh shit, this door
Speaker 4: has a dead bolt.
Speaker 3: Well we didn't know that.
Speaker 4: No, you need them to know everything before the mission
Speaker 4: goes off, right, So that was my goal.
Speaker 3: But then they.
Speaker 4: I mean satellites personally. I know some people get down
Speaker 4: with satelliteons. But anyway, anyway, so I was trying to
Speaker 4: do a lateral move. But because of the political climate
Speaker 4: at the time, the military as a whole, but especially
Speaker 4: the Marine Corps, we get the least amount of funding
Speaker 4: as every other branch at all period.
Speaker 3: We're the smallest branch.
Speaker 4: So there was this big push to get people to
Speaker 4: get out of.
Speaker 3: The Marine Corps. I qualified for all the schools.
Speaker 4: I was on the phone with the guy talking about
Speaker 4: how many spaces they had in the class to do
Speaker 4: this move all this, I give my.
Speaker 3: Paperwork to the career planner.
Speaker 4: They fucked around with it for six months until not
Speaker 4: only was that class that school completely filled out, but
Speaker 4: every class for every school for the entire Marine Corps
Speaker 4: was full until one year later. So I could have
Speaker 4: extended my contract for a year and then tried again,
Speaker 4: or I could get out. And I'm just like, well,
Speaker 4: it sounds like you just made my decision for me,
Speaker 4: Like I'm not waiting a year to fuck around with
Speaker 4: you people again for you to do this to me
Speaker 4: again and give me the run around, Like I'm just done.
Speaker 1: Did you ever think about, like maybe taking a shift
Speaker 1: over to the.
Speaker 4: Army briefly And the only reason why is because they
Speaker 4: get way more funding and you get promoted way faster.
Speaker 4: But I am personally not a fan of how they
Speaker 4: do and I don't mean to shit on nobody. For
Speaker 4: the record, I know a lot of our good cult
Speaker 4: members are Army veterans, no shaving Marines.
Speaker 1: Marines are always gonna talk shit on the Army. That's
Speaker 1: just the brotherhood facts facts. I love my eleven bravos.
Speaker 1: Y'all are just like me. But y'all will eat crayons.
Speaker 1: Y'all are not a part of this type of a cult,
Speaker 1: but whatever, whatever. But I am personally not a fan
Speaker 1: of their version of war fighting tactics.
Speaker 3: That's just me.
Speaker 4: I do love how they have more logistics, like a motherfucker,
Speaker 4: but I don't know. The Marines took their war fighting
Speaker 4: tactics straight out of the Nazi handbook.
Speaker 3: The Army didn't.
Speaker 4: And I don't mean Nazis. As far as I kill
Speaker 4: the Jews, I mean like as far as the blitz
Speaker 4: creak tactics go, fire maneuver, combined arms, ranges, things like this.
Speaker 4: This is stuff that we adopted because we saw how
Speaker 4: effective it worked. The Army does things a different way,
Speaker 4: and I didn't want to have to relearn It's like
Speaker 4: reinventing the wheel, and at that point it just it
Speaker 4: wasn't worth it. Now, I did get out and think
Speaker 4: about becoming a cop, because being an infantry marine, there's
Speaker 4: not many crossover trainings that can go into the civilian
Speaker 4: life that would you work out for you.
Speaker 3: But I never looked at what cops make.
Speaker 4: And then whenever I found out that these guys are
Speaker 4: getting shot at for random routine traffic stops and shit
Speaker 4: like that, it was like, oh, no, you're doing it
Speaker 4: for thirty two thousand dollars a year. Yeah, I get fucked.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, my bad. I'm gonna go be a construction
Speaker 4: piece of shit. That's me all day. And so I
Speaker 4: did that and started going to college and all that
Speaker 4: other stuff. But beside the point, beside the point, but
Speaker 4: to your point, Josh, like you said, even the stuff
Speaker 4: that didn't work out, even the dream that never actually
Speaker 4: was the dream, has led to so many other avenues
Speaker 4: being opened to us.
Speaker 3: Myself, I could speak on behalf of being in the
Speaker 3: Marine Corps.
Speaker 4: Although it wasn't what I thought it was going to be,
Speaker 4: it allowed me to the GI Bill, which allowed me
Speaker 4: to get a certain job, which allowed me the freedom
Speaker 4: and opportunity to start a podcast, Like, none of this
Speaker 4: could have happened unless I was at square one once
Speaker 4: upon a time and stepped each way to step five,
Speaker 4: two steps in to step twenty. This didn't happen overnight.
Speaker 4: And it's only from the perspective of looking back at
Speaker 4: it now that I can appreciate why I needed to
Speaker 4: experience these.
Speaker 3: Things right, And it's a lot of that goes into it.
Speaker 4: Like, uh, while I was in college, I was working
Speaker 4: sixty hour weeks and sixteen hours a week of in
Speaker 4: class school.
Speaker 3: Time right now.
Speaker 4: That required a level of lack of sleep, a way
Speaker 4: too unhealthy addiction to caffeine, which like, hey, we're still there, brother,
Speaker 4: you olam lamb, but without the point. It taught me
Speaker 4: a level of grit and determination that I wouldn't have
Speaker 4: gained otherwise. Because perspective is something that you can hear
Speaker 4: about all day long. Until you attain it for yourself,
Speaker 4: you'll never truly get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know when I was eighteen. I started my
Speaker 2: entrepreneur journey. When I was eighteen, in my dorm room,
Speaker 2: I had so many papers on my wall you would
Speaker 2: think I was solving like who like a grand conspiracy,
Speaker 2: And I was just learning all these facets of business
Speaker 2: and I was so fascinated with it because I was like,
Speaker 2: oh wow, like this can lead me to the freedom
Speaker 2: that I want. Because at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: I think that's what everyone wants. It's just like some
Speaker 2: type of freedom, whether that's complete freedom or of freedom
Speaker 2: that allows you to just go places and experience other areas,
Speaker 2: whatever that looks like for you. But for me, I
Speaker 2: wanted to be able to like travel and do all
Speaker 2: these things. And after college COVID hits, I stuck inside
Speaker 2: the my house for like a year and that's when
Speaker 2: the idea of the podcast started to brew inside and
Speaker 2: I brung all the expertise from my you know, learning
Speaker 2: how to market and stuff into the podcast. And that's
Speaker 2: how I was able to generate over one hundred million
Speaker 2: view in two years.
Speaker 4: But you wouldn't have known that unless you had that
Speaker 4: experience on the back exactly.
Speaker 3: And that's the other thing, Doude.
Speaker 4: The failures make the victories worth it because you won't
Speaker 4: appreciate the highs unless you've experienced the lows.
Speaker 3: That's just the way life goes, man.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And you know what's interesting is that now that I'm
Speaker 2: going through this new phase, I'm like, oh, wow, all
Speaker 2: the stuff that I brung from the mind's eye, even
Speaker 2: though like I wanted the mind's eye to be the
Speaker 2: end all be all, what I'm doing now is actually
Speaker 2: more aligned with my purpose and that's what I actually
Speaker 2: want to do and what I actually enjoyed doing. So
Speaker 2: all the marketing, all the social proof that I build
Speaker 2: over the years is now going to be a launch pad.
Speaker 1: To my next level.
Speaker 2: So while other people may look at it as like, oh,
Speaker 2: you ended this and this you know that means it
Speaker 2: didn't work out, well, I don't see it that way
Speaker 2: because I've did what it had to do with the
Speaker 2: Mind's Eye, and now it's going to help me get to.
Speaker 1: The next level.
Speaker 2: And I'm starting in a place where not a lot
Speaker 2: of people can actually start from.
Speaker 1: So that is like how I look at it.
Speaker 2: And now, you know, you have to go through those
Speaker 2: things in order to build the skills and like work
Speaker 2: necessary to achieve greatness.
Speaker 1: Dude, I feel like it's almost like a like a
Speaker 1: fate or a destiny kind of thing, you know, just
Speaker 1: thinking about like all of our different paths here, not
Speaker 1: to get weird or whatever, but just think about like
Speaker 1: all our different paths that have led us to whatever
Speaker 1: point we are in our lives. Like think about you, Jacob,
Speaker 1: Like the path that you took to get to the
Speaker 1: same exact place where we're both at in this very
Speaker 1: moment is entirely different than the path that I took
Speaker 1: to get to this place. But it's still ended up here.
Speaker 1: It's almost like, you know, don't even fucking sweat the
Speaker 1: small shit because if it's if it's destined for you,
Speaker 1: as long as you can, you know, remain consistent and
Speaker 1: keep an open mind and stay positive and you know that,
Speaker 1: like you're destined for something, then it'll eventually like the
Speaker 1: paths will converge into one lane almost And you know,
Speaker 1: because dude, I mean I literally you could damn near
Speaker 1: say I took a fucking like a like a vow
Speaker 1: of poverty to get to this point, honestly, Like, dude,
Speaker 1: I had all the opportunities to go work offshore. I
Speaker 1: had all the opportunities to go work uh, you know,
Speaker 1: real estate or or in the plant or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But I knew that that was going to take away
Speaker 1: from the time that I was that I needed to
Speaker 1: give this this show, you know, like it was a
Speaker 1: dream of mine. And and so I, dude, I literally
Speaker 1: I worked fucking uber eats like the entire first man.
Speaker 1: I worked over each for the entire first three years
Speaker 1: of trying to build this up, because I was like, well, look,
Speaker 1: I can I can make my own schedule. On the
Speaker 1: days that I'm that I'm not shooting, I can still
Speaker 1: I can work all day, you know, you make your
Speaker 1: own schedule that way. And and then even on the
Speaker 1: days that I would work all day, I would work
Speaker 1: fucking twelve hours straight up, from eight to eight, eight
Speaker 1: in the morning till eight to night, and then at
Speaker 1: nine o'clock we're shooting a show. And after the show,
Speaker 1: after an hour or two, all right, I'm staying up
Speaker 1: and I'm editing it. I'm gonna post it. And like
Speaker 1: it's a full on fucking commitment. So, like your like
Speaker 1: dreams of whatever you want to do, you have to
Speaker 1: find a way to be able to fit it in
Speaker 1: your life. And also you need to understand, like what
Speaker 1: kind of lifestyle are you willing to live in order
Speaker 1: to get to that place that you hope to get to?
Speaker 4: You know, what are you willing to sacrifice to make
Speaker 4: the dream of reality? Absolutely, because at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, it is sacrifice, like I sacrificed a career.
Speaker 4: Like realistically, where I was, I could have put in
Speaker 4: my time and retired comfortably when I turned sixty five
Speaker 4: or whatever the new retirement.
Speaker 3: Age is gonna be.
Speaker 4: But I knew that that is not where I was
Speaker 4: supposed to be, Like even whenever I got that career,
Speaker 4: and I knew that, yeah, I finally got locked in
Speaker 4: on this job and all of this, and that job
Speaker 4: is still there. If I called my former boss right
Speaker 4: now until I was already come back to work, I
Speaker 4: would have a shift waiting on me come Monday, no
Speaker 4: questions asked, because I left on good terms.
Speaker 3: But that was never my goal.
Speaker 4: Right and the entire time I was working there, it's
Speaker 4: not like I was miserable by any means. I didn't
Speaker 4: dislike my job, you know, good and bad days, just
Speaker 4: like everybody else. But I knew that that wasn't where
Speaker 4: I was supposed to be.
Speaker 3: And I you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And at a certain point, it's like, when when is
Speaker 4: it time to make that leap? When is the time
Speaker 4: to finally take the plunge and decide, you know what,
Speaker 4: I trust in myself and I trust in this show,
Speaker 4: or I trust in us as a unit, or whatever
Speaker 4: the case is. When am I willing to decide that
Speaker 4: now is the time to just take the jump. And
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, man, one of the best decisions
Speaker 4: I've ever made my life.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Oh dude, I love doing this shit. And I
Speaker 1: say with you.
Speaker 4: With Uber Eats, you knew that you were never destined
Speaker 4: to be a delivery driver. It was a means to
Speaker 4: an ends, and you didn't dislike it, but you also
Speaker 4: didn't love it, but you also.
Speaker 3: Knew that that was not where your destiny lied.
Speaker 1: No, dude, And it was like multiple reasons why I
Speaker 1: chose to do that. Because I knew that I could
Speaker 1: listen to other conspiracy shows and listen to other ideas
Speaker 1: that would help, you know, me bring some kind of
Speaker 1: information to the show or or whatever. Like I was
Speaker 1: fully immersed even whenever I was working Uber Eats, I
Speaker 1: was fully immersed in the conspiracy world. I was flooding
Speaker 1: myself in it, dude, Like I was obsessed with it
Speaker 1: because I would listen to all these conspiracy podcasts and
Speaker 1: nothing against anybody else, but like in your own mind,
Speaker 1: especially like if you think highly of yourself, which is
Speaker 1: very I mean, not conceited wise, but like if you
Speaker 1: believe that, like you can do something, you know, you'll
Speaker 1: listen to other conspiracy shows and be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think I can fucking do that, and I think
Speaker 1: that I can actually do it a little bit better
Speaker 1: than everybody else, you know, Like you start like hyping
Speaker 1: yourself up a little bit, and then after a while,
Speaker 1: like you're not even faking it till you make it.
Speaker 1: You fucking made it. Now you're doing it now. You
Speaker 1: you don't even have to fool yourself into believing this
Speaker 1: shit anymore because you know that this is what you are.
Speaker 1: I'm no longer fucking you know, Jonathan the Uber each Driver.
Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Conspiracy, theorist, cult of Conspiracy, my fucking third
Speaker 1: eyes all the way open, and everybody knows it. Everybody
Speaker 1: that used to think that I was crazy thinking that
Speaker 1: I can make something. You're not going to go work
Speaker 1: in the plant. You're not going to go and try
Speaker 1: and get a career. No, Like I knew that this
Speaker 1: was possible.
Speaker 4: I was crazy when I left the career to do this,
Speaker 4: And they all they still to this day, like as
Speaker 4: soon as I tell them like how well things are going,
Speaker 4: They're like, bra I got tell I thought you were crazy,
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, I know, I fully know you
Speaker 4: let it be known to me very clearly.
Speaker 3: I was there. I remember the conversation.
Speaker 4: But it's like you get through the whole imposter syndrome
Speaker 4: because that happens to everybody you know to a certain level,
Speaker 4: and then you realize like, no, I'm not acting. This
Speaker 4: is literally what it is. This is what I do,
Speaker 4: this is who I am, And it rolls like that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a common misconception that people think that
Speaker 2: once they achieved their goals, they would then become that
Speaker 2: person who achieved the goals. But it's actually the opposite.
Speaker 2: You have to actually be the person that achieved the
Speaker 2: goal already, because how would you achieve the goal if
Speaker 2: you're not acting like you're achieving the goal. It's kind
Speaker 2: of is it makes no sense. You have to put
Speaker 2: in the work. You have to adapt the house yet
Speaker 2: the at the skills in order to actually build that out.
Speaker 2: First started my podcast, I always kept seeing these videos
Speaker 2: because you know how YouTube is, it pretty much knows
Speaker 2: everything you're doing. It's giving you all these things that, oh,
Speaker 2: you must start small and build the little steps there,
Speaker 2: and I was like, why can't I just act like
Speaker 2: the guy who's already doing all this stuff at this level.
Speaker 2: So actually the way I do things is I don't
Speaker 2: take small steps. I actually immersed myself fully as the
Speaker 2: person who's actually doing it at that level. And that's
Speaker 2: the only reason why the minds I got to where
Speaker 2: it was was because I was crazy enough to think
Speaker 2: that I can do what that guy is doing who's
Speaker 2: getting millions of views.
Speaker 1: In my living room with two my friends.
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, man.
Speaker 4: And it's like, once you set a goal and you
Speaker 4: achieve it, you have to keep setting goals, like you
Speaker 4: can't get complacent even within success, because that's another type
Speaker 4: of hurdle that a lot of successful people find themselves in.
Speaker 4: Once you achieve dot dot dot whatever that might be
Speaker 4: for you, you've got to keep pushing. And me and Jonathan
Speaker 4: talked about this before or if I was to win
Speaker 4: the lottery right now and somehow I got handed a
Speaker 4: million dollars cash. Yo, First things first, I'm trying to
Speaker 4: find a way to turn that to ten million. And
Speaker 4: as soon as I forget that, I'm trying to turn
Speaker 4: that to one hundred million. And it's not out of
Speaker 4: a spirit of greed. It's because I'm not going to
Speaker 4: try to stop achieving. Like I don't understand that concept
Speaker 4: right now. You take breaks, you can rest a little
Speaker 4: bit from time to time, whenever you get to a
Speaker 4: place where you can take that rest. But as Jonathan
Speaker 4: and I have said a million times, bro, we're in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter right now. We got twenty seconds left
Speaker 4: on the clock and we can still win this bitch,
Speaker 4: and I ain't heard a whistle yet.
Speaker 3: That's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like not to take it to like
Speaker 1: a religious place. But you know, the end times are
Speaker 1: always nigh, you know what I'm saying, Like, fucking we're
Speaker 1: in the end time. So it could be ten years
Speaker 1: from now, it could be fifty years from now, it
Speaker 1: could be fucking five seconds from right now. You never know,
Speaker 1: So you just got to keep on going. And also
Speaker 1: not to take it to another religious place or spiritual
Speaker 1: place or whatever. But it's kind of like what they
Speaker 1: say about prayer. For example, know a lot of people
Speaker 1: whenever they pray, it's almost like wishing, And that's actually
Speaker 1: not the way you go about it like I can't
Speaker 1: remember the verse in the Bible whenever they're talking about it.
Speaker 1: But essentially, you want to envision it as if it's
Speaker 1: already happened whenever you're praying, because it's almost like it
Speaker 1: has to match your frequency that God or the universe
Speaker 1: or whatever is a mirror of what you already are,
Speaker 1: and that you have to believe that like all the
Speaker 1: way right. And so if you're sitting there wishing, well
Speaker 1: what your what you're subconscious is even saying, it's like,
Speaker 1: well you're wishing it, that means you don't have it.
Speaker 1: And if you don't have it, then you're never going
Speaker 1: to have it because this is the frequency that you're
Speaker 1: giving off. Whereas if you can literally vision it and
Speaker 1: almost sit in that like just imagine it. That that's
Speaker 1: why the imagination is so powerful, dude, Like you need
Speaker 1: that in order to be able to as you said earlier,
Speaker 1: nobody likes to use the word manifest but you know
Speaker 1: what I'm you know what I'm trying to say, Like
Speaker 1: you you know, like it has to crystallize in your
Speaker 1: mind before it crystallizes in reality.
Speaker 4: With percent with prayer especially dude, And it depends on
Speaker 4: what you're praying for, obviously, but I have always done that.
Speaker 4: Like you pray from a spirit of gratitude, basically thanking
Speaker 4: God in advance for this thing that you're praying for.
Speaker 4: You're praying out of a spirit of faith, right, and
Speaker 4: you believe that God is faithful. Now you do always
Speaker 4: need to keep in mind that God's plan supersedes yours.
Speaker 4: And so it's like, if you will it, Father, I'm
Speaker 4: thanking you for this and this and this to happen
Speaker 4: in my life and things like that. So like you
Speaker 4: always got to keep that reverence and respect, right. But yeah,
Speaker 4: you shouldn't be praying to God like he's some fucking
Speaker 4: genie who's gonna grant you a wish if you pray
Speaker 4: hard enough.
Speaker 3: That is not how this fucking goes man at all.
Speaker 2: Nope, not at all, dude, got put it in the pain.
Speaker 2: You gotta experience pain, you know. People like to avoid pain,
Speaker 2: you know, but the pain is what gets you there.
Speaker 1: No pain is a teacher.
Speaker 4: Like we said, the lows teach you more than the highs.
Speaker 4: I can promise you that the guy who worked his
Speaker 4: ass off to achieve a million dollars learned so much
Speaker 4: more than the dude that hit the right scratch off
Speaker 4: in one million dollars.
Speaker 3: One of them has way more.
Speaker 4: Intelligence than the other when it comes to certain aspects
Speaker 4: of earning money.
Speaker 1: You see what I mean, dude, And even like I
Speaker 1: always referenced this book, dude, but it's Napoleon Hill. He
Speaker 1: wrote Think and Grow Rich. He basically just sallowed around
Speaker 1: Andrew Carnegie and tried to understand his mind. Bro, And
Speaker 1: like it is a trip actually listening, Like, well, I
Speaker 1: listened to the book because it's just easier sometimes, especially
Speaker 1: you go on road trips. It's nice rich.
Speaker 3: Dad, poor dad.
Speaker 4: That's another one, that dichotomy, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So but anyway, what's his name from Think
Speaker 1: and Grow Rich? Napoleon Hill. So Napoleon Hill, there was
Speaker 1: a he he's basically, you know, describing what's going on
Speaker 1: through Carnegie's mind the entire time, and you know just
Speaker 1: about how calculated he is about everything, and how he's
Speaker 1: obsessing about everything, and about how he's literally like his
Speaker 1: goals are always on his mind. It doesn't matter he's
Speaker 1: taking a shit, he's taking a shower, he's fucking his wife,
Speaker 1: like doesn't matter. His goals are always on his mind.
Speaker 1: Like that's how obsessed that he was. And then he
Speaker 1: gets to a part in the last part of the book,
Speaker 1: bro And this is what's wild because this part wasn't
Speaker 1: interjected into the book until after he died because he
Speaker 1: thought that it was too early, Like the people wouldn't
Speaker 1: they would see it as if he was some kind
Speaker 1: of whack job or a kook or something like that.
Speaker 1: But one part of the book is it's a whole
Speaker 1: chapter I believe, and it's on faith. And it's not
Speaker 1: even necessarily like a religious faith, but it's like a
Speaker 1: knowing that whatever you're aiming to do is going to happen,
Speaker 1: Like it's a it's like an undying you know that
Speaker 1: it's your destiny kind of thing. And uh, that was
Speaker 1: that was pretty fucking cool, you know. So I think
Speaker 1: that like if you if you believe that you're destined
Speaker 1: for some kind of greatness or you're destined for this,
Speaker 1: or you're destined for that, like you can't even question it,
Speaker 1: Like you almost have to in like interject a little
Speaker 1: bit of faith in the cosmos, in God or whatever, right,
Speaker 1: Like you have to know that you're here for a
Speaker 1: reason and that's the reason. Like it's like an obsessive
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So dude, it's the mind is a
Speaker 1: motherfucker and you got to be able to take you know,
Speaker 1: it's like your mind is essentially your temple. You know,
Speaker 1: That's why your temple's right there. So like it's like
Speaker 1: if you look at your mind as if it's your temple,
Speaker 1: then you go into your temple and that's where you
Speaker 1: stop thinking and you calibrate and like you get it
Speaker 1: all together, and that's where you have to imagine it.
Speaker 1: That's where you have to crystallize it, and eventually you
Speaker 1: take it outside of the temple and only shit like
Speaker 1: it it finally is here. So yeah, dude, I I
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you're doing, man, and I appreciate you know,
Speaker 1: like people like you who are out there trying to
Speaker 1: get people out of the mud, trying to get people
Speaker 1: out of their own way. I think that's extremely important.
Speaker 1: I know that this wasn't a conspiracy show for all
Speaker 1: the good cult members out there, but sometimes you got
Speaker 1: to fucking take a breather. And you know, we want
Speaker 1: to be an inspiration, you know, like we want to
Speaker 1: inspire people to like take that leap of faith and
Speaker 1: go after whatever you really want to do. If you're
Speaker 1: tired of fucking clocking in over at the steel mill,
Speaker 1: or you're tired of clocking in at the plant, you know,
Speaker 1: you're tired of fucking you know, having a mop bucket
Speaker 1: all day long, and you're pushing that around knowing that
Speaker 1: you could be something more than like. I hope that
Speaker 1: all three of us were able to inspire y'all in
Speaker 1: some kind of way.
Speaker 4: I think this played out beautifully with the three episodes
Speaker 4: we just released with Tavistock Institute propagandizing and basically corrupting
Speaker 4: the mind of all Americans. For the most part, I
Speaker 4: think this episode came at a some might say serendipitous
Speaker 4: time as a matter of fact, as we are showing
Speaker 4: all of our good cult members how much they have
Speaker 4: been bombarded with propaganda from outside sources and forces. I
Speaker 4: think this episode played very well into waking yourself up
Speaker 4: out of your own rut that you may have found
Speaker 4: yourself in and achieving whatever goal you have.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, man, divine timing. One might say, have you
Speaker 1: have you, guys ever played God of War? Yes? Have
Speaker 1: you played Ragnarok, God Warragnaron? Nah?
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 1: I have not Okay, listen, do you mind if I
Speaker 1: spoil one thing for you?
Speaker 3: Go for it, Doug.
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's this there's this concept of the Norse
Speaker 2: mythology called the Norns, and the Norns weave the lines
Speaker 2: of fate. Now, what was interesting is when I got
Speaker 2: to that part of the game, you know Ragnarok was coming,
Speaker 2: and you know the Norns told Crados that he was
Speaker 2: destined to fail and die in Ragnarok, right, and the
Speaker 2: whole game was showing you that Crados was going to
Speaker 2: die in Ragnarok. And what was interesting is they explained
Speaker 2: to you the reason why his fate was destined is
Speaker 2: because Crados never changed and Cratos will be the same.
Speaker 2: So if Cradles were to change himself, he can change
Speaker 2: his fate quote unquote, because he's now changed and the
Speaker 2: lines of fate has completely changed around him. So moral
Speaker 2: of the story is, if you feel like you're destined
Speaker 2: for something else, well, if you actually were to change
Speaker 2: yourself and change the way you think about things, then
Speaker 2: your destiny and your faith could be something completely different
Speaker 2: than you never could have conceived before.
Speaker 1: Beautifully said, Sir, beautifully said, And I think that everybody
Speaker 1: you know could it could benefit from listening to that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. You know, we always we all need
Speaker 1: a little pump up, you know what I'm saying every
Speaker 1: now and then. You know, everybody needs a little Tony
Speaker 1: Robbins in their life. Josh, if you would, sir, could
Speaker 1: you tell all of our good cult members where they
Speaker 1: can find you and all your great work.
Speaker 2: Man, all right, you can find me Josh Anthony X
Speaker 2: on Instagram, YouTube, and TikTok, and then you can find
Speaker 2: my podcast called Incursion on all the platforms. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be dropping like a six hour free course in like
Speaker 2: the next week. So if anyone is interested in learning
Speaker 2: how to rewire your mind for success, whether you're just
Speaker 2: starting or you already started your entrepreneur journey, stay tuned
Speaker 2: for that is completely free. I'm gonna be dropping then
Speaker 2: in the next two weeks.
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