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<v Speaker 1>Thirty five after the hour. Welcome back Exus and Bros.

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<v Speaker 1>Across the great state of Michigan. Wherever it is you

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate it very much. I don't think there is

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<v Speaker 1>a writer. I don't think there's a media member who

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<v Speaker 1>know the Pistons better than our next guest, Keith Langloy,

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<v Speaker 1>who I known for a long long time with great

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<v Speaker 1>work at the Open Press, but now is the editor

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<v Speaker 1>for Detroit Pistons dot com. You can follow him on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter at Keith Underscore Langloy. He was at the press

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<v Speaker 1>conference yesterday. I caught him before he headed out to

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<v Speaker 1>his office and I said, can you join us tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>and give us a few moments to get some expertise?

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<v Speaker 1>And he was kind enough to do that. Keith, We

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it very much. I know it's early, but great

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is always on Detroit Pistons dot com. What was

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<v Speaker 1>your takeaway from Trajan Langdon's press conference yesterday. What's the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that stood out to you most.

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<v Speaker 2>Consistent with what he said after this season ended that

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<v Speaker 2>as unexpected and as delightful as it was to go

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<v Speaker 2>from fourteen to forty four wins, the distance are not

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<v Speaker 2>yet at a point where he's comfortable saying I know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what I have on this roster, and therefore I

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<v Speaker 2>know exactly what we need to complete our team. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the question I asked him, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>questions I asked in yesterday was, you know, the the

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<v Speaker 2>recent Orlando Memphis trade where Orlando, a team that at

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<v Speaker 2>least on the surface looks like they're at a similar

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<v Speaker 2>stage with the distance just sent for future number one

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<v Speaker 2>draft picks and a very lightly protected the top two

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<v Speaker 2>protected pick swap to Memphis for a guy who's never

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<v Speaker 2>been an All Star does Undane. So what Trajan said

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<v Speaker 2>to that was, yeah, well, you know, we're open to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But if as long as the player isn't too expensive

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<v Speaker 2>and doesn't limit our future optionality and doesn't hinder the

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<v Speaker 2>development of the players who have in a roster, we'd

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<v Speaker 2>be we'd you know, we'd we'd be all in for that. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>a dozen Danes got over one hundred and sixty million

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<v Speaker 2>coming four more years and and and you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental difference between Orlando and the Pistons is Orlando knows

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what their young core is. They've got Franz Wagner

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<v Speaker 2>and Jalen Suggs on long term contract extensions already, and

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<v Speaker 2>they know for with certainty that Paulo Banker was joining him.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's their three. It doesn't have Kate Cunningham for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>They know that Jade and Notty looked like he was

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<v Speaker 2>taking his spot, as you know, as the clear number

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<v Speaker 2>two guy, and then he goes down. And at that

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<v Speaker 2>almost at the same time he went down, Jalen Duran

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<v Speaker 2>and Asar Thompson really stepped up their games. Durn had

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, if they're kind of a sluggish first

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five games of the year, then took off. Sar Thompson,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, missed a bunch of well, he missed all

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<v Speaker 2>of last summer in the first month or so of

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<v Speaker 2>the season as he returned from from the blood cloud

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosis and then you know he's still working himself back

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<v Speaker 2>into shape and all that. But so they've got those

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<v Speaker 2>three young guys, They've got Ron Holland, they've got Isaiah Stewart.

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<v Speaker 2>The Pistons aren't just they're about a year behind Orlando

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<v Speaker 2>as far as firmly identifying what their core is is

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<v Speaker 2>going forward. And I think that's part of his calculation.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think maybe in the year from now they'll

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<v Speaker 2>build in a different place. At that point, Ivy and

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<v Speaker 2>durn will be either fined to the extensions based on

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<v Speaker 2>what they did in here for or they will be

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<v Speaker 2>entering restricted free agency. And so you know, in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 2>I've always said nothing is more restrictive than restricted the agency.

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<v Speaker 2>Distance will be in the driver's seat to retain their services,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know they'll have they'll just have a clearer

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<v Speaker 2>idea of of what the what the number is for

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<v Speaker 2>those guys and how to build out going forward. So

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<v Speaker 2>long story short, that was my takeaway, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>he and he all but said, you know, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to be super aggressive. Well, internal growth

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be the area we improve the most.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know that that was it's pretty clear he's

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<v Speaker 2>he's not The Pistons aren't probably not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the headline grabbing acquisition mode this summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting you bring up Orlando, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was a great question, and I mean that, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet t Try was better than Orlando last year record wise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, but Orlando had major injuries. They've looked at

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<v Speaker 2>both bank Caro and Wagner missed a lot of time,

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<v Speaker 2>and Sugs just when, just when those two guys were

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<v Speaker 2>getting back and they were starting to round in the form,

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<v Speaker 2>they beat the Pistons and there it was right around

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<v Speaker 2>the holidays down in Orlando, and then then Suggs went

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<v Speaker 2>out to the season and things kind of fell apart.

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<v Speaker 2>But if those three guys are healthy with being there,

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<v Speaker 2>they are, you know, and I think if you pay

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<v Speaker 2>attention to the Las Vegas betting markets, Las Vegas has

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<v Speaker 2>already pretty much stamped Orlando as a top four team

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<v Speaker 2>in the East next year with better odds who would

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<v Speaker 2>come out of the East and the Pistons have right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a I think everybody kind of acknowledges the

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<v Speaker 2>talent on that roster, and if they stay healthy, they've

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<v Speaker 2>got the they're going to start gaining some traction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's a fair point. No question is valid.

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<v Speaker 1>I would remind people that, you know, as you've already said,

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<v Speaker 1>Jaden Ivy was hurt Sar Thompson missed a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Isaiah Stewart was hurt. It's not like other teams didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have it and Detroit didn't have to deal with it.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're right about Orlando and their young core. Keith Langloy,

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit Pistons Dot Com editor, joining us here on X's

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<v Speaker 1>and bros. You brought up they're not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>super aggressive and I heard that, and you know, chips

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the table and expecting the young

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<v Speaker 1>guys to grow. I'm fine with that personally. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where the angst comes from where people feel like

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<v Speaker 1>this team needs to do something, and do something now

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<v Speaker 1>in free agency when I don't see the free agent

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<v Speaker 1>take Kyrie Irving off the table because he's got the

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<v Speaker 1>extension they're not getting Lebron James. Okay, give me the guy,

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<v Speaker 1>is what I ask people. Give me the guy who's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be that difference maker as a free agent

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<v Speaker 1>that proves to you this team is in it to

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<v Speaker 1>win it instead of resigning Malik Beasley and or Tim Hardaway,

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<v Speaker 1>who's that guy that you want them to get. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think the free agent is there. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>like Miles Turner, a lot, but I'm not sure the

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<v Speaker 1>free agent is there. What is it this team could

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<v Speaker 1>do in the offseason that might turn that dial a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit closer toward the witching hour than anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think, Look, I think I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fans see the Pistons at point B and

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<v Speaker 2>they want to see him get to point C. And

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<v Speaker 2>Trajan Langon is sitting You're thinking, to win a championship,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got to get to point G or H. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So the injuries that have affected the East the right

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<v Speaker 2>that the Pistons were the sixth seed, We've had three

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<v Speaker 2>calamitous injuries to to star players on three of the

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<v Speaker 2>five teams that finished ahead of the Piston. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the logical event. Say that it's wide open,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go for it. But is the goal to be

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<v Speaker 2>is the goal in next year or two years or

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<v Speaker 2>three years to be the best team in the Eastern Conference?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is the goal to in two years from now

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<v Speaker 2>in a span of five years, from two years from

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<v Speaker 2>now to six or seven years from now? Is the

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<v Speaker 2>goal to have a team that can reasonably compete for

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<v Speaker 2>a championship. So if the goal is to get out

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<v Speaker 2>of the East with with a fifty two win team

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, be served up as a sacrificial lamb

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<v Speaker 2>to Oklahoma City whoever comes out of the West. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I guess pushing all your tips in right now might

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<v Speaker 2>be the advisable path you can make incremental gains. He's not.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants be set over and over again. His goal

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<v Speaker 2>is sustainable success. So that means you were not going

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, first of all, you mentioned Miles Turner. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd be a great ad sistance. He's going to a

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<v Speaker 2>minimum unless he gives a hometown discount to stay in Indiana,

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to cost thirty million dollars a year. The

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<v Speaker 2>Phistess don't have a thirty million dollars in cap state.

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't get him and as a conventional free agent

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<v Speaker 2>if they wanted to, And the only other way to

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<v Speaker 2>get him would be signing trade. And do you really

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<v Speaker 2>think Indiana is going to comply with their division rivals

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<v Speaker 2>on an no. So there is with the Pistons, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can look at a cap sheet and say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to have cap stays. They're going to choose

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<v Speaker 2>to operate as a team above the cat because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the best way they can do the moves they need

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<v Speaker 2>to make. And I will maintain that the most significant

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<v Speaker 2>offseason moves they're going to make if if it works out,

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<v Speaker 2>and I expected will will be retaining Malik Beasley and

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to cost a lot more than the bargain

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<v Speaker 2>contract he signed last year, one year, six million dollars deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and I think they'll make some moves around

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<v Speaker 2>the edges. I wouldn't be surprised if they do a

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<v Speaker 2>trade that maybe better balances the roster. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot of people. If you ask what they need,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be, you know, a true stretch five or

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who can toggle between power forward and center

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<v Speaker 2>and legit, you know, above average three point shooter. Those

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<v Speaker 2>guys don't go on trees. I'm sure Trajan Langton would

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<v Speaker 2>love dad one of those two. If you can get one,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's a move. But yeah, I think there are

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<v Speaker 2>moves around the edges. But I fully agree with him. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw the in season improvement that Jalen Duran and SR.

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<v Speaker 2>Thompson Nayden, those guys aren't done during still twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>star Thompson is twenty two. Those guys are going to

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<v Speaker 2>get better. Kate Cunningham is still going to get better,

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<v Speaker 2>Jade and Ivy is going to get better. That is

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<v Speaker 2>unquestionably the biggest likely area of season overseason improvement for

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<v Speaker 2>that team. As they're young guys. I believe there's eight

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<v Speaker 2>of them. Isaiah Stewart and Marcus as are twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>All the rest of them are younger than that. Those

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<v Speaker 2>eight guys are going to get better and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest driver of season overseason progress or the Pistons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know this because you've covered so many different

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<v Speaker 1>teams before you became Detroit Pistons dot Com editor. What

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<v Speaker 1>is what's wrong with having the young guys grow together,

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<v Speaker 1>win together, experience the hard losses together. We saw that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with the Tigers in eighty three to eighty four.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen that with the Lions so far. We've seen

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<v Speaker 1>that with the Pistons. We saw with the Pistons in

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<v Speaker 1>this franchise before. The young guys you're expecting to get better.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a reason you expect them to get better

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<v Speaker 1>is because they're really good right now and you expect

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<v Speaker 1>them to make another step. That's a really good problem

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<v Speaker 1>to have and a good thing to expect. My question

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<v Speaker 1>to you would be about Malik Beasley, Tim Hardaway, Junior

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Shrewder. How likely is it that all three come back?

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<v Speaker 1>How would you prioritize them in the need for this team?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I don't think it's likely that all

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<v Speaker 2>three come back because it's the heavy liston you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, here's the thing I would I would rank

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<v Speaker 2>it this way, and likely it's coming back be easily

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<v Speaker 2>one Hardaway to Shorter three. Sure. And the reason I

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<v Speaker 2>say Shorter three is even though he's a very important

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<v Speaker 2>player by seasons, then they got him because they were

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<v Speaker 2>without Ivy. So if you bring back, if you bring

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<v Speaker 2>back Beasley, now you've got in your back where you've

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<v Speaker 2>got Kate Cunningham, you've got Jade and Ivy, You've got

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<v Speaker 2>him in the league easily. Would they love to have

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<v Speaker 2>Dennis Shuter? Sure? But is there going to be another

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<v Speaker 2>team that has a lot greater need for what Dennis

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<v Speaker 2>Shuter can be and therefore was willing to commit and

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<v Speaker 2>has more resources to commit to Dennis Shutter? I would

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<v Speaker 2>think though, I mean, if he comes back, he's your

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<v Speaker 2>number four guard more than likely. You can quibble, but

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<v Speaker 2>Beasley's the guy who made three hundred and nineteen three pointers.

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<v Speaker 2>They want him back. The three pointer is a huge weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>Ivy's a guy who's going to play thirty minutes the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Kate's gonna play thirty five. You know, you can get

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit creative because Kate has forward size. You

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<v Speaker 2>can play three of those guys together sometimes. So I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you could make the case that, like we can,

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<v Speaker 2>we can squeeze in, you know, twenty five to thirty

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<v Speaker 2>minute role for Shuter as well, and maybe that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they do. I don't. I don't know, but I just think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, Milwaukee's without Damian Lillard. Now Milwaukee,

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<v Speaker 2>he could Shuter could probably walk into the starting lineup

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<v Speaker 2>in Milwaukee. If if that's if the Bucks can figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how you know, everybody's got a mid level exception.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bucks are over the aprons, so it won't be

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<v Speaker 2>the full mid level. But I just don't think again,

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<v Speaker 2>if the distance, if you look at how they have

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<v Speaker 2>to allocate their resources, they need easily back, they guys

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<v Speaker 2>think they've got to prioritize him. And beyond that, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think. I don't think the next the next tool

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<v Speaker 2>in their bag will be enough to outbid other teams

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<v Speaker 2>who who will use the first tool in their bag

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<v Speaker 2>to get shorter because they'll have a more critical need

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<v Speaker 2>for what he can offer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it makes sense. Keith Langloyd joining us on the

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<v Speaker 1>Lindsay Hunter Foundation guest line. Last thing from you. I

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<v Speaker 1>really impressed you. You had mentioned some of the younger

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<v Speaker 1>guys and making that step. We're super impressed with with

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<v Speaker 1>Kate Cunningham. I'd like him to treasure the basketball a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more, but you think he can get better.

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<v Speaker 1>Their front court of Durham and Stewart, how capable are

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<v Speaker 1>they of expanding their game? Do you think to being

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I think they're capable. Look they're they're Durham

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<v Speaker 2>especially is very young. I think that if you ask

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<v Speaker 2>Trajan Langdon what you wanted would he want to see

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<v Speaker 2>from Durham, I don't think he'd say. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>first time as list would be expanding his offensive game

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<v Speaker 2>and especially not you know, seeing them drift out as

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<v Speaker 2>the three point and I think he'd say, continue to

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<v Speaker 2>get better as a room protector, or he took a

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<v Speaker 2>major step last year, continue to get better in transition

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<v Speaker 2>running the floor, continue to get better at pick and

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<v Speaker 2>roll defense. Uh, awareness of you know, of an offensive spacing,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're not giving up you know, walk injuries and

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<v Speaker 2>that type of stuff. Look, Durham became I think during

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<v Speaker 2>by the end of the season in mid its twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five games in. You know, there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>grumbling about him and what do the consistions do about

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<v Speaker 2>this position going forward? I think by the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the season he was a top ten center in the

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<v Speaker 2>league at age twenty one. And you know, I'm sure, Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been around a long time too. You've heard it

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<v Speaker 2>always takes the big guys a little bit longer in

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA. There. You know, they're they're they're the quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>They're the spine of the defense. They've got to see

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<v Speaker 2>everything happening. They've got to be barking out. They've got

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<v Speaker 2>to be barking out signals. They've got to run. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>guards don't have to run from baseline to baseline. Centers do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a demanding position. He came into the league as

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<v Speaker 2>an eighteen year old. Three years in he's twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>going on twenty two. You know, you've got to be

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit patient, but I think if it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to there'll be a time when they'll ask him to

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<v Speaker 2>spread his wings a little bit offensively. But right now,

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<v Speaker 2>what his values of the offenses is that that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the vertical threat he poses as a thick and roll

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<v Speaker 2>guy with Kate Cunningham, who's got you know, very good

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<v Speaker 2>feel for that. That that's a that's a really valuable

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<v Speaker 2>weapon in this day and age because it you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's the term they uses it creates gravity. The defenses

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<v Speaker 2>have to have to respect that drift towards him. That

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<v Speaker 2>creates the crease that gives hunting in the room to operate,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you got easily and hardaway and those guys

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<v Speaker 2>in the perimeter stretching the defense out the other way. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a long that's a long winded answer, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think if if what you're getting at here

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<v Speaker 2>is are we going to see him? You know, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to start dumping the ball into him in the

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<v Speaker 2>low post and letting him go to work. And now

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to use him the way they use him

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<v Speaker 2>as a as a facilitator. He's that's another one of

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<v Speaker 2>his really you know, developing skills is dribble handoff huge

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<v Speaker 2>part of an offense in the water, an NBA offense.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, get better as a as a screener, and

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<v Speaker 2>just continue to polish those skills and then you know

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<v Speaker 2>there'll come a time when they'll let him do a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more. But I think they're going to drill

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<v Speaker 2>down on what his strengths already are and amplify those.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense, great insight. Really appreciate it. We wait to

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<v Speaker 1>break it down, Keith, really appreciate it. Thanks for joining

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<v Speaker 1>us on the Lindsay Hunter Foundation guest Line. Have a

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<v Speaker 1>great week and we'll keep reading your stuff and keep

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<v Speaker 1>educating the listeners based on what you write and how

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<v Speaker 1>you follow the Pistons so closely. Thanks again for the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great day, Bud, Thanks man anytime.