Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the six hundred
and fifty fifth episode of The Geek First Podcast. I'm
the Coxless trying to snail.
Speaker 2: I'm joined by I'm Dash, Kirkland, Patzer.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm doing I am the man in a share,
Taylor Field eat alone.
Speaker 4: I just I just realized this. At some point we
would have blasted past GV episode six one six. Did
we do anything special Marvel fun thing with that or
was that just a random old episode?
Speaker 1: Let me find out.
Speaker 5: I'll see missed opportunity.
Speaker 4: We'll have to wait for one thousand and six one
six next, probably.
Speaker 6: A movie review for something.
Speaker 5: Look, get the That was Kirkland's September.
Speaker 1: Oh, we were so close. Six to six was Deadpool Wolverine.
Speaker 5: That would have been what could have been?
Speaker 1: That would have been great there, But excuse me, sorry,
I'm a little under the weather, so I apologize. I'll
try to mute and whatnot if I'm cough or anything
like that. Apologize for those first ones. But we are
here today to talk about a very big thing, and Dylan,
I'll get back to you on that in a second.
Because I don't find it fine, don't worry about it. No,
I want to know now it's a curious thing. But yes,
a little impromptu newscasts. Me and kirkn are still doing
news tomorrow. Patrons, you'll get that because we're I still
got a whole bunch of topics me and Kirk and
got a horse stuff to talk about. They announced it
with a Scooby Doo live action show. I got some
Spider Man Osborne rumors, so there's some We've got some
trailers talk about. So that's some good stuff. But this
could not wait. So that's what we're doing tonight, is
we're talking about the Avengers Doomsday cast reveal a very
different way. What we're gonna do is I'm going to
just ask everybody what they thought about the reveal because
that was a very controversial topic. And then I kind
of have the cast list broken down into sections of
people and I will clarify why. And then we got
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down below. So I don't know, I guess because no,
I'm trying to figure out the way to go about
this guy. I don't know because Taylor said he hadn't
even found everybody, so don't say every person that's in
the cast yet he didn't see anything. But Dylan, what
did you think of the idea of so eight O five?
The stream starts. There was rumors around yesterday and this
is why I talked about this with Chris, because we
have some friends that are always get their circles. They
hate people that talk about the B Tier Scoopers and
the Sea Tear Scoopers and I met Chris Knows, I
messed you we thrive and I message yours Mike, it's
our I'm hearing something's going down tomorrow, and luckily it
did go down. A oh five live stream goes up.
It's just a black room and thinking, okay, what's going on?
And then the uh like it's like a studio lot.
The doors open up, it's light, which I think we
know who the person is. Now, oh guy walks by
and then a chair goes down and the first chair
is Chris Hempsworth. Now, when I woke up, I had
heard this news and like I said, I was under
the weather, so I slept in. When I woke up,
I just saw this like it was paused and Chris
Hemsworth's I'm like, is there Like is there stream broken
or they have technical difficulties. I'm like, there's no way
this can be like screwing them over right now right,
But it wasn't. What happens is every fifteen minutes, for
each of these persons, they would reveal a new name,
not alphabetic coal, not by franchise or he or anything
like that, just a random name. I think they kind
of did it in like a you know three people surprised,
you know, three people surprised, but almost What did you
think about this? Because it's controversy with some people saying like, oh,
like what a waste. It took too long. You know,
they should just put it out there. It's such a
maybe you should have had Kevin fivey or someone introduced
these people just by names, or did you like the
way of hey, they're slowly trickling this out throughout the day.
It lasted about I think four to five. I think
it's like five and a half hours as stream lasted,
So uh yeah, mister muss.
Speaker 4: I thought it was super fun. I really enjoyed it.
I think it's like, I don't know, just being in
our discord. I'm not really on social media right. My
social media is like the GV discord, which if you
haven't joined that yet today these are the kind of
days why you want to be in there, because it
was so fun just to see everyone super hyped. Like
I don't know if people were more hyped on this
than they than like even the last comic con in
terms of some of the announcements there, it felt like it
was at that tier at least, which is kind of fun.
Considering it was just like a random live stream, but
obviously it was a pretty big deal and there's a
lot of implications that come through with all these names
that were showing off here, a lot of surprises, a
few expected ones, but I'd say like mostly surprises, which
is uh, which is really great to see. So I
think the format was really fun, and yeah, it took
a long time, but it's not like you were It's
not like it was engaging content that you had to
watch every second of you know, you just kind of
I just kind of had in the background couple because
I was working or like, you know, I had to
go out of the house for a bit and then
I'd catch up on the ones that I missed, and
you can kind of break it all down at the
end if you want to. So I think it was
really fun. I liked it, and uh, I guess I'll
leave it there for now before we get too deep
into the names itself.
Speaker 1: What about you, mister Field.
Speaker 3: So I had no idea really what was going on
because I saw some people talking. I saw a picture
of a chair and there was one name on there
for a specific person. I was like, oh, okay, so
it's just more information about this certain upcoming project. I
didn't know it was Avengers Late or anything like that.
Then I saw another one and maybe two more, and
I thought, okay, this is an ongoing thing. Then the
discord popped off. You guys are all talking about it,
and I don't know a lot I started to see.
And I think that like the memes came in so quick,
because I started to see a bunch of fake names.
I was like, fuck, I have no idea what's real
and what's not real anymore.
Speaker 1: I thought Emily was like, I'd really like this person.
And then I saw a tweet and I did this
geway accidentally and I shared it and then I found
it was not a real thing. But then that later
on got announced. I will say who was. I was like, oh,
I was redeemed. But I was like, oh, damn it,
I got screwed over here. But yeah, it was fast
and furious that.
Speaker 2: An early Scooper. Then you got it out before the
actual chick I did.
Speaker 1: I did, yeah for you.
Speaker 3: Uh, but yeah, I'm I'm excited to hear what the
official like name roster is here. And I will say too,
I think a lot of people that are like coming
forward and like, oh, well, they're just like shafting these
other names. Because I saw that some people were upset
about certain other characters not being announced and whatnot. I think,
just like, take a deep breath, It's okay, They're gonna
be there. I'm sure for the next Avengers a Secret
War after the fact, I think it's the same, like
are going.
Speaker 6: To be there, I think so.
Speaker 3: I think it's the same reason like when you look
at Finity War and Finney War didn't have everyone, right,
but when you look at Endgame, Endgame had everyone. So
I think it's gonna be similar along those lines.
Speaker 1: I don't think so we'll talk about but I think
there's gonna be some people left off the board, just for.
Speaker 5: More people now than there was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, think about that, Taylor.
Speaker 5: Only three of them have died and we've had forty eight.
Speaker 3: So but I don't know more than what we got
an endgame like the portal scene, that is a lot
of people.
Speaker 1: I know. But remember we talked about in the cap
review where the amount of projects we got now that
are just films are more than what we got in
the entirety of like Phase one to three. As far
as like new properties and stuff like I think I
agree deal where it's like it's harder to like time
and budget wise to fit all these people in, you know,
but we'll see. Kirkham Pats are very rude to me
this morning. I because I told him what was going on,
and I'm like, ah, He's like, oh, is there like
there's news? Can watch this link? I'm like, God, it's nothing.
They're just really revealing names. And then Rudely's like, well,
can I have the link? And I was like, all right,
here's the link and he didn't believe me, and then
he's like, oh, it's literally just names, Like yeah, it's
literally nothing. It was so funny when I got that,
like this little fucking guy tell.
Speaker 7: Me like it's the instant gratification era. You know, I
grew up and I just need answers now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I got pretty excited just because I felt like I
just had a lot of buzz in the air about
like a new Marvel announcement and it doesn't happen often
these days, but like it just felt like, man, this
is going to be like a big day, and I
feel like it It wasn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't.
Speaker 7: I really didn't love the layout of it, of the
whole reveal with the video, I was looking forward to
just like putting on like a full on like show
Figgy comes out with like actors and stuff like that,
more so than just every fifteen minutes there was a
new name on screen, so it's like, okay, yeah, I'm
just gonna look at the list once it's all done.
So I was really just not able to plug into
it today. But with that being said, I didn't love
the delivery of it, but the result I was actually
very hyped on. I think once the dust settled, I
definitely was head scratching on a certain maybe number of
names that just weren't on the list that I would
have expected them to be on there. So we'll get
there when we get there. But yeah, no, I was
very surprised by quite a few of these names on here,
and that was really fun because I feel like, you know,
the big Avengers titles, like when you get all these
characters together, that's that's really what's fun about these projects.
So yeah, just thinking about the list of names that
we have and seeing the on screen potential, I am
very excited. However, I do I do hope I'm not
going to be like really wanting those names that maybe
aren't on here, And I don't know. I think I'm
more on the line that I would expect to see
some names that aren't on here in the next film,
like in Secret Wars and stuff like that. Maybe I'm
more on that camp. But uh yeah, no, well I
think it's all safe for now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I absolutely loved it. I think Dylan brought it up,
and I see I supposed to say, as I was saying,
seeing the whole timeline disc we're talking about the cherish
stream restored my feeling of watching DC Fandom Rip tw
twenty twenty twenty one, and those were fun days. Yeah,
Short Live Gun, Bring that Bath. That was a second
one was a little iffy, but that first one was great.
But yeah, to me, it's also reminded me. You know,
we'll talk about it. There might be it might be
played up in a thing we do for GV Day
for maybe a little segment or a sketch. But how
this podcast started was us watching E three in a
Facebook chat, just going back and forth. And that's what
today remind me on the discord of throwing out theories
on what could be next. Why is this person what's
the order, Who's gonna be last? And shout at hands
you got like the first person I talked and said,
this person's gonna be last. Like that's what was so
fun about it. So from a fan, I really liked it,
and so take that out because I could see even
like Kirk and NiFe and other people brought up like,
oh I liked a bigger presentation kind of like remember
they did during COVID when they did the whole they
did like a new Slate reveal and that's what they announced,
like we're not recasting chat with I can't remember what
it was. Oh, this was the investors Day, That's what
it was. So they had like a big popping circumstance there, right.
I think this was, Hey, they're filming next week or
the week after. Why let a bunch of scoopers get
a bunch of Patreon s ubs and clicks when it's like, well,
we can just do it right now. At one point,
I think the live stream had like eight point five
million watching live like crazy. So that's where it's like
they they been and the fucking YouTube stream was an
adden so you didn't have to watch a bunch of
ads or anything but just the hype. And that's where
I didn't get from the fan perspective whatever that's subjective,
how people didn't understand like why are they doing this
such a bad way? That was the chatter of the
entire day one. There's a stream in that every fifteen minutes,
all the article writers or tweeters or betweet all this
name and this and that. Everyone's like, yeah, the memes,
but just like it created the whole conversation where there's
either you could be talked to for about five point
you know, five six hours, that's round up two, and
then there's people like Kirkle and Tata might catch up later,
or you just put on an article and dump everything.
And it's just like there's a bunch of names where
it's like, you know myerspo, I think Ty has seen
this one, but something like name War It's like that
name would have just been in there, but for fifteen
minutes people are like, oh, I kind of forgot about Naymore.
All right, I guess he's in there. Where Like if
he's just in a name, you're gonna talk about like
the biggest five surprises we got right, Like it's gonna
be a nothing thing. So I wouldn't be surprised if
they do this again for Secret Wars. They already said
that there's gonna be more names. I think the two times,
I think they're saving some stuff for Comic Coong, which
we'll talk about, because I had the list of names
that aren't on there, like big names, and I think
they're also saving for like I don't know, just in
case Thunderbolt sucks. It's like, what a great way of
like in a week and a half, drop like, oh,
we got another slate of names that's going to change
the conversation, right, and not trying to be negative, but
it's just like it's an instant hype builder, and I
just didn't understand why people are like why are they
doing this? It's like, well, people have talked about for
the past two years out other than some exceptions, MC
hype's dead, right, Like how they're gonna hype up these Avengers,
Well they're trying to build it up and be like, well,
I don't like it that way. They shouldn't hype it
that way. It's like, but this got the conversation going
the whole day, so I thought it was super smart
business wise, where like film, Twitter combak, Twitter, online discourse,
all that type of fandom stuff they like, just hijacked
it and they took the message. So yeah, details here.
He's always cheesing the whole time. Yeah, it was in presidency.
Cheezing I thought makes sense, but cheesing is cheesy. Yeah,
so yeah, exactly, let's talk about this. So we're gonna
start with a roster people, but then also a question
by Mike's I'm gonna give the roster first. So we're
gonna start with the Thunderbolts. That's who they revealed here.
So they revealed that the Red Guardian's going to be
in there, Florence Pugh's going to be in there, Sebastian Stan, uh,
Hannah von whichever, I can't remember her name, I got
it somewhere. I'll get John Caman, thank you, and then
uh Louse Pullman as Bob or whoever you.
Speaker 5: Know, so I'll make sure for there's one of us
and hy.
Speaker 1: Wrestle Yeah no, why wrustle, John Walker, you're correct there,
So one what do you feel about these names? And
I'll say it for the podcast because obviously tell them Dicord.
Lots of people same thing. This stream today very mixed opinion.
Lots of people were not happy with these names because
we got this movie in pretty much a month, a
month and a couple of weeks, and you know, Thunderbolts
supposed to be like sus let's go out rope and
anyone could die. They're all expendable. What could happen? Uh?
But they're revealing all these names. So, mister Reress, what
do you think about one, these characters being there? But two?
Did you share that same sentiment of like, oh, maybe
you could have held these names back until after or
did you not really care about like the format of
letting these people out?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean one, I mean this is gonna be a
multiverse movie, right, so like maybe these are Thunderbolts from
another time or something, or like maybe some of the versions.
I don't think that's what's happening, but I don't know.
There's just a chance maybe, don't you know, if David
Harbor does get decapitated in that movie, you know, it's
it's possible he could still be in this one coming up. Yeah,
I guess I didn't mind so much, Like I didn't
really expect many of these people to die.
Speaker 5: The only one that I.
Speaker 4: Was surprised, I guess to see here was Louce Poland
as Bob I guess or Bob Sentry whatever's going on there,
just because I thought he'd be the villain and you know,
good chance he would die. But if he didn't die,
it's not like he would just be joined up with
the team.
Speaker 6: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: This is making me wonder now if we're gonna get
like a Batman verus Superman thing. We're like, okay, Doomsday
is in here? Or was that is that the name.
Speaker 1: Of that Villomsday? Yeah, funny.
Speaker 4: Where we might get that, Like are they okay, did
they actually end up teaming up against something else that
we haven't seen yet? Or maybe there's a rumor that
I'm just not remembering so curious to see what happens there.
But uh, and I you know, I don't have much
knowledge on that character or that actor really, so I
don't have much.
Speaker 5: More to comment there.
Speaker 4: But the only one that's funny here is like, oh,
there's one I guess, two emissions, Like I guess val
that's maybe not surprising, Like I guess I could still
see her being in the movie, but not being on
the thing here. Maybe she pops up later or maybe
she's just not in it doesn't make sense for her
to be in the Avengers part. But then obviously task Master,
which you know from the trailers, it's like task Master's dead,
So I guess it wasn't really like a shocker to
me that, Like this is almost self confirming that as well.
Speaker 1: Again now like it's almost almost.
Speaker 4: A pretty fucking stupid honestly, Like that's a really like
you know, Detoil was cheese and that's a very cheesy,
weird thing to do. Uh, but you know what, it's
task Master, So it's not the end of the world.
Speaker 5: I can live with it.
Speaker 4: And I'm just I'm surprised to see them all in here.
You know, we've we've talked about this. We did a
Bread and Butter Patron exclusive episode of recenting like Sebastian
stan Pew those two scene, like oh yeah, those two
gotta be in this movie somehow, some way.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's like, okay, they're really like I.
Speaker 4: Guess this makes sense, right, It's this movie f four Avengers,
so like the you know, they're really building up the
rock up that staircase.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, just.
Speaker 1: Like like I don't think Tay's gonna care about this,
Like they confirm, like the guy that plays Falcons in there, right,
So it's like, clearly you have that. So and I
feel like we won't say all the names, but like
they've clearly set up the teams where it's like it
seems like you have an Avengers team, we'll get there.
Seems like you got Thunderbolts, you got an X Men team,
and then F four. So it's like that kind of
makes sense where there's all these squads of people now
that are kind of instead of like different planets, they're
you know, I guess the universe is for excellent, but
they're defined by oh that team A team B and stuff.
Speaker 4: So, and we've talked so much about how like, wow,
this movie is not being set up in the same
way that like Infinity War or you know, End Game
any of these other movies were, and that they had
a very obvious build up, and now it's kind of
coming together like Okay, it seems like maybe a last
minute way that they're building up come kind of having
to react.
Speaker 2: In a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: But still it is pretty consistent as you mentioned, like
multiple projects, you know, leaving the TV shows aside, because
those kind of seem like they're in a different you know,
they're not even in six one six anymore, it seems like,
but this seems like a pretty obvious like build up
now towards this movie. So I think this was cool
to get this confirmation and gets me more hyper thunderbolts,
which you know, I was already gonna go see it,
but maybe this will get other people who weren't gonna
see it, maybe they're more excited. Yeah, that's potentially a
good thing for the MCU.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I was where I never thought any
of them we're gonna die. I'm surprised even like ghost
is in here, Like even if Ghot survives, I'm like,
I don't think she's gonna be an Avengers movie, right, like,
but great for her. I wasn't surprised because all these
names other than I could say ghosts, even Loose Pulman.
I do agree in the discord, Kyle and other people
brought up where do you really need to put Loose
Pullman's name, because like, is he selling the movie for anybody?
Probably not. You could have left him out. But at
the end of the day, it's like it's only us
stirds to do it, but again, maybe it's a stamp
on that, you know performance, It's like, hey, we really
like him, He's coming back. I'm very pew was like
we talked about that while we had a big discussion
about Pugh and one of the episodes, Go check that
out because it's still evergreen. The two episodes we did
where you guys did the fifty characters and Avengers, check
that out. And then when we did who should be
on the Avengers roster, we were picking specific rosters too.
So those episodes still on Patreon are a pick a pole.
But what I'm gonna say though, is I cannot wait
for John Walker. I don't know how much screen time
he's e giving me a half, but the fact that
he's an Avengers movie, my goodness. Like I actually think
there's a great chances Doomsday fucking kills this guy. Like
that's one thing everyone's talking about, Oh why is this person?
Like I think a lot of these people you need, yeah,
you need to have Doomsday come in strong. A lot
of these people you know that will talk about like
ghosts like that, even someone like from Black Panther. I
think there's people it's like, oh, these are easy layups
for to make Downy really scary, like.
Speaker 3: That is this a snap like the they disappear, but
they could come back or they dead.
Speaker 1: Dead, because I like as much as I loves Master,
he brings them, brings their back kills there, and I
don't like task Master, but there's almost a part of
me that hopes she does survive. And this is like
a big lie. They almost on purpose, like let's make
it seem like task Master's gonna die and really like
let's say Red Guardian's gonna die, but he's only an
Avengers in like a flashback. I would love if they
pulled off like some con where we're all like, oh,
we're idiots, they fooled us. But no task Masters fucking
already six feet like I'm attending the funeral to moral
for task Faster.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I think some people could come back to here, but
I think there will be a lot of deaths in Doomsday.
I think you have to because you have to establish
him very fast, kind of like what dealing with something
like the whole like cap the Thunderbolt's Fantastic four, so
you don't get to have that build up of fanos
even though it's still smaller build up.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, that's just a comedic scene in itself. Then,
because I can see like, okay, oh we've got this
new threat and start it's like first five minutes of
Avengers Doomsday, it's like, oh, the Dooms here, and it's like, oh,
who we're gonna send. We're gonna send the Thunderbolts. They
just save New York City. They go in and in
the first five minutes they're all just fucking annihilated. Like
you're supposed to feel sorry for them. I feel like
I'd be laughing as sad as it is to say
this is right. Yeah, I got the deal't got me
with the Doomsday ear room. I keep saying Doom say yeah,
he's not in this movie. Doom says not in this movie.
It's doctor Doom.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that would be a perfect way to set
them up. They gotta go look into something. And then
Doctor Doom just messes up. Ghosts messes up like Red
Gardon's doing nothing. What's Red Guardian gonna do? You know,
so some comedic beats.
Speaker 7: It's also like smart to save any potential deaths from
the Thunderbolts. In an Avengers title as opposed to just
the Thunderbolts because you're like just getting introduced to them.
You know, they have their like nice on screen chemistry,
and then they just die like right then and there,
whereas if you wait till Avengers, it's like, oh yeah, no,
I really like that team, and then they come back together,
can't wait to see this adventure the New Guardians and
then so.
Speaker 1: That didn't bug you at all, get in those names
before or yeah, before Thunderbolts is.
Speaker 7: Over, I mean a little bit, just because it takes
a little bit of like stakes away maybe from like
a potential death from that movie. I think any like
close call now in the in the movie, I'll probably
still be into the scenes, but I feel like it
can take away from that. But now that we're talking
about it and just you know, stewing on the potential doomsday,
just what's going to be happening. And I do actually
prefer that Avenue so yes and no as a fake
out of an answer that is. But uh, yeah, I
don't know. I I think the one that surprised me
the most would have been Ghost, just just because I
don't know, I've I've never really been a Ghost fan,
but she's in there, and we'll see maybe she'll survive
to Secret Wars.
Speaker 2: Who knows, maybe she's going to be the New Day.
Speaker 4: We'll get another we'll get another interaction between let's to
spoil one character coming up. I guess like aunt Man
and ghost again, we'll potentially have some some connection. Will
be interesting to see that again.
Speaker 1: It's been a while. That was what twenty eighteen, eighteen,
twenty nineteen somewhere in there, So let's.
Speaker 2: Come on right before infinie or was it?
Speaker 1: Or no? And no, it was after Infinite wor because
remember they got snapped in the end credit.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wait wait with ghosts and ad men. Yeah,
that was in the first movie, right, No, second, second one,
the second one.
Speaker 1: First came back and he came back and man and uh.
Speaker 6: He's coming back as an Avenger.
Speaker 1: He died Avengers.
Speaker 5: His name on a freaking share.
Speaker 1: It's coming. He's gonna be like Red Skull, like Goss
the son of Scott Lang, uh anything else on the
Thunderbowl specifically, I'm excited for pe.
Speaker 5: Same Pew boys, you name.
Speaker 1: It sounds like he's down there with that right now.
So I just threw these into Avengers adjacent. But I
do think this is kind of the formation of a team,
but these are just kind of those type of characters.
We got Thor Loki, Captain America, Falcon, nay more, Black
Panther aka specifically right now, which is youre right, Black Pantheraku,
ant Man, and sung Chi. I feel like that they
have said there's gonna be more, so I think there
could be more of a team, but we talked about
that on that Avengers cast. To me, it's like thor Cap,
Black Panther, ant Man, chun Chi. You could have a
Falcon on there. Sure he could also be like a
Doctor Doom victim, But like that five right there of
thor Cap, Black Panther, and men shun Chi, feels like
we pitched similar variations of that type of team, So
there could be more that's added. Obviously, there's a big
Spider person that was not anywhere on this list, so
who knows what's going on there. I got some theories there,
But yeah, what do we feel about this list? It's
been while since we see Sung Chi. We weren't sure
because there's been rumors about Young Chichall aging up. We
weren't sure about Letitia Wright. We got Loki, which is
good because obviously he's doing these multiverse things. So what
do we feel about some of these Avengers Slash just
kind of you know, six one six characters popping around here?
Speaker 7: Did you remember that in Baku's the Ruler of Ocondo
y now cause I kind of forgot about that until
I saw his name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brent, remind me today. And it's like that stupid,
lazy ass dumb plot of like whole movie about who's
going to raise the kingdom? And then after I'm looking
now and she left. I hope doctor Doom. I don't
want him to die like Winston Duke, but kill him
and he becomes the king of Wolkanda. You know.
Speaker 2: Fuck it's new Laia.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The Black Panther Crew, like Latitia makes a lot of sense.
I could see her just being one recruited the other two.
We're really surprising once for me, I don't think in
any of our predictions or you know, coming up with
our rosters that we ever would have come up.
Speaker 5: With nay War or Imbacu.
Speaker 4: And so remind me of exactly what happens at the
end of the second Black Panther with nay More, like
where is he left?
Speaker 1: Off they've had they she showed him mercy, so they
have like an uneasy alliance where they've kind of.
Speaker 5: He was like in the post credit to isn't he?
Speaker 1: I think so? But I think it was again kind
of hinting about like they could go to war or
something like that. Like again, that's why it was an
uneasy alliance where they t trust each other, but or
they didn't trust each other, but they agreed to Halo's
try and build a foundation because they're just killing each
other off, right, so let's stop that. That's where it was.
Speaker 4: Where Okay, you know, I just yeah, I think about
how many characters we have in this and they have
said there's more to come. It's like, man, there's so
much ground to cover, and like, I just don't know
how we're gonna like make name more makes sense. And
I feel like the answer is maybe they just don't,
like maybe he's just there and you just kind of
have to accept it as a viewer. And I think
that'll take it down a little bit for me. I'd
like if these things made a little bit more sense.
But we'll see what happens there. Yeah, Winston Duke is
well really surprised to see him because I also I
feel like, you know, we spend so much time in
Infinity War at wacan To doing like the big war
there and stuff, and so I just I just didn't
I don't think we'd be going back there as a
location for this. I feel like they just want like
a different setting and whatnot. So like that's where I'm like, Okay, well,
obviously if you were in Makanda, all these characters are.
Speaker 5: Gonna pop up. But it seems like an odd trio.
Speaker 4: I guess if you're only getting these three and you know,
Akoya and Nikia not on this list, maybe they come
back to But like it does like a weird little
trio in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that because I kind of agree with
you with mcconna, Do you feel that same way with
Atlantis though, because I feel like Atlantis is a place
we could return to as far as like underground, I'm
sure Doom has some magical stuff where you can breathe
on their water, and he's messed this stuff up, like
because because Umbaku to be made sense of, let's just say,
sure he's there. They go pick her up in the
King of Wakona, they give him a scene just established
he's the ruler now, right, or something happens. But with Atlantis,
it's not like I could have seen where okay, and
in Finny War, I was like, oh, we got to
go to all these locations because the stones right as
of right now, we don't know. Maybe they will introduce
some mcguffin where it's like, well, the the McGuff whatever,
the new Stone is underwater and we got to go there.
So unless it's not, I still think that could be
the reason why. It's just a new location that they
haven't been to many, like just the once I guess, right,
just in Forever.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't even remember those sequences.
Speaker 1: It's Alantis. Yeah, it's the same as Alcaman, unfortunately, because
it's all like.
Speaker 2: Okay renamed it though, Oh you may be right.
Speaker 1: I think they did or.
Speaker 7: Something like that, Adalan Atlantia something that Atlantic I remember,
But I gonna have to rewatch that movie.
Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever seen it again, but I
think I'll have to know.
Speaker 1: It's a big thing here for me at least if
they do it. Him and Sue Storm have a very
big connection. Him, Sue Storm, Reid are a big triangle Threutle.
So the second I saw him on there, I was like, Oh,
is that why he's in there? Don't know how maybe
Fantastic four. Maybe when they come to our universe, they
they crash into the water and they get saved by
that literally, actually, could fucking be it. Maybe the they
what I guess they're whatever, they're called the water people
and so you know, yeah, maybe their ship crashes plan
the ape style and literally they save them from drowning,
and that's how you get that connection there. So actually
I could see that. And no, that's the thing because
Reid's always read and Sue always have a rocky marriage,
and he comes in there many times, you know, a
seducer and he's a good looking guy. He's a smooth talker.
So I really hope they pushed those buns now or
in the future.
Speaker 7: So they go the planet of the apestroute they lo
bottomize the raw or geez the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bomie is not the rocking sharp tools.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean yeah, the more I find out about that,
just love dynamic, you know, the Soioux Storm's mistress, uh
something along those lines. I'm definitely intrigued by a storyline
like that. I'm I'm totally down to adventure in some
more Atlantis stuff on the MCU side.
Speaker 2: Whatever the hell it's called that.
Speaker 7: As Yeah, I was just so surprised to see Naymore back. Honestly,
I yeah, I didn't really know all about the you know,
behind the scenes stuff going on, but I just felt
like it was it was at least a yellow flag
and that's like, oh, okay, well we'll see where this goes.
Speaker 2: So I kind of just wrote them out.
Speaker 7: But no, I'm I'm excited to explore the character a
little bit more and hopefully a little bit more of
their just land, I guess, and people. And I imagine
it would take that placeholder of the Wakanda location in
a big Avengers scale, you know, conflict, which maybe maybe.
Speaker 2: That just means it gets destroyed. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: But do you think he's purely a location character or
do you think he ever joins with the squad and
goes on location like an Infinity War. Sure, he's in
just Wakana, that's the only place we see it right where. Obviously,
I guess the Chill actuldn't leave Mukanie either. He got snap.
But there's other characters right where it's like they bounced
from location to there are main characters. Like I feel
like he's a location character. I don't see him like
he's been on the Avengers. So maybe I'm wrong because
he's like Hull. Apparently they can't make a sole name
war movie, so maybe they have some plan to put
him on the Avengers squad in the future, like he's
a different move set and whatnot. But I think he's
not gonna leave the the Seventh Seas.
Speaker 7: I could see him maybe departying at least for this adventure,
but like once Doomsday Singer Wars or Doctor dub Well,
just once this adventure is done, like the Avengers adventure,
I think he's very much gonna just be staying where
he is, and like maybe that allows him to just
be I don't know, Like when they have to go
to the Sanctum saying Torum, it's same sort of idea,
like they just go to at at in Atlanta, Georgia,
wherever the hell this guy is.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I feel like Naymar doesn't really have a passport,
so I feel like he's not going many places.
Speaker 2: He's definitely not go everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does have the he has the little leg
wings remember.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the little ankle those stupid you.
Speaker 2: Heard of them?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Taylor on that list? Like, was there any names you
hadn't heard? I tell you again, Thor, Loki, Captain America, Falcon,
Nayme War, Black Panther, Umbaku ant Man, and sung Chi.
Had you heard all this time?
Speaker 3: I didn't hear the low key one. I knew that
Chris Hamsworth. That was the second one that I saw today.
And yeah, some of the Black Panther characters a lot
more that I was expecting. But then I'm also, you
didn't say, uh, what was her name?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You didn't say her?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: No Ki yet and I mean not yet for nothing
today I'm not like hot with holding it like, oh
it's actually this No, yeah.
Speaker 2: Doom got her on roots?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Had they kill her off?
Speaker 4: So they confirmed that's the one character not in the
movie is not coming back.
Speaker 1: Can I agree?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: No? No, she want too much? She want too much?
Down he's saying that she wanted too much. She's going
to my fund.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think I think this is this is
very exciting. I'm glad that they said Loki because I'm
just super stoked. I want that thor Loki it counts again.
I that's that's Oh my goodness. I just can't wait
to see that. And I saw some people talking about like, oh,
would be cool if like Doom is trying to get
to Loki where Loki is to like to control timelines
and multiverses. I'm like, that sounds pretty cool too.
Speaker 6: So there's some there's so I just want.
Speaker 4: It required reading though, Like they're expecting people to watch
two seasons of a TV show.
Speaker 3: You would need some kind of explanation like Okay, here's Doom,
and Doom just shows up, and then why is there
a Loki sitting in this tree in some place?
Speaker 1: Right? If you play it off, though, think about Red Skull.
Red Skull disappears in First Avenger, you don't see him
to him Finny War. They never explain that, right. If
you look at Loki's trajectory, Thanos kills him. And then
let's say you didn't watch any Disney Plus ever, and
the next time you see Loki he's on some sort
of multiverse like you know, chair or whatever, he's controlling it.
I think that could work the same way where some
people might just assume, like, oh, he didn't die.
Speaker 3: He We all know Loki did escape. That was on
the big screen, right, everyone got to see them. Yeah,
so I guess that that's good enough of an explanation.
Speaker 1: In Endgame, he got the test act and he popped out.
That's the show. So yeah, I guess if you just
watch the movies, you could assume, oh that Loki went
off and did his own stuff, and now he's.
Speaker 2: The good Things, the leader of the multiverse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at it. He's got a cool helmet.
Speaker 3: It's the same premise as Red Skull because Tester Act
blasted him and yeah, then he popped up later, so
it is that's that explains it actually pretty decently.
Speaker 2: Take his leg. He's not gonna be on a throne.
He's gonna be floating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, screen And.
Speaker 3: Then you said sung chi as well. All right, okay,
I saw this earlier in the discord. Kyle shared it
and is like seemingly watching the stream to see if
he has a job that.
Speaker 6: Just maybe laugh.
Speaker 1: He did kind of joke about that too. Similarly, was like, oh,
when he saw he shared, he's like stop seeing karaoke,
so he gets the memes he gets, you know, he's
still work and he's just doing some movies that aren't
like I think everyone kind of thought after Sung, she's.
Speaker 5: Doing a lot of commercials. They've seen a lot of the.
Speaker 1: I think after some she feels just thought he was
gonna really blow up. And I don't think it exactly happened,
but maybe this is his shot again.
Speaker 8: Who knows.
Speaker 1: It could be his moment.
Speaker 2: So the same character, same role, It could be the.
Speaker 1: Second moment you know it's oh, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I just I was just gonna say, so, did they
when the chairs came down, we see the actors and
actresses names, Did they confirm that they were coming back
as their respective characters or are we getting a scenario
here where it's like, hey, Chris Evans played human Torch
in Deadpool versus Wolverine, So.
Speaker 1: I can tell you Chris Evans was not one of
the chairs.
Speaker 3: No, no, he was, and that I know too. But like, okay,
so Simile is coming back here, but like, do we
know did they say so she or is he gonna
come back as like a variante from a different multiverse
actor name?
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna assume to me unless there's another person
like a downy, like if it was Scargo or Evans.
I'm going to assume all these chairs are playing the
same person or it's like what Dylan said, where if
someone dies in Thunderbolts, it's maybe a multiverse version of themselfs.
But I don't think Simule is like playing like Magneto
or something. Yeah, I don't. I don't think that's happening.
I think you're safe.
Speaker 4: So okay, yeah, yeah, I like the Uh I feel
like ant Man is what like the second like longest
tenured Avenger at this point.
Speaker 5: I guess maybe felt like Calcan.
Speaker 4: Yeah okay, yeah, I guess he was in there a
little bit earlier, but Noah, ant Man's really kind of
climbed the ranks at this point. But glad to see
him in there. That'll be really fun. Chunk Chi super
happy to see him. I really, I you know, expected
that he was going to be on this roster, but
it's nice to get that confirmation. Uh yeah, Loki is
the weird one for me, just because like, once again,
how do you do the writing of it? And you
guys made some good pitches there of like that could
be a certain aspect like a mcguffin almost for for
Doomsday to be for doom.
Speaker 5: Goddamn could be going after so that part makes sense.
But yeah, that's you know, I'm excited to see him.
I love Tom Hillson. I like that character a lot.
But I I have I've been.
Speaker 4: Outspoken on many of our podcasts like I just want
him to chill in that tree for a few years
and come back later, and it feels it feels too soon,
but like I'm still down for it. And obviously him
really niting with Thor after like huge adventures he's been
on and the adventures Sore has been on since then,
it will be really great. So excited to see that moment.
And I guess Thor I don't know, does someone call
him or does he just come back to Earth? Like
whatever is he just at on Earth at the start
of this movie, Like do you think we get an
explanation for that or what?
Speaker 3: Well, like new New Asgards on Earth, right, So I'm
sure he tunes in every once in a while.
Speaker 1: I think that. I think also because him and Love
were like going around different planets just being heroes. Now
I think whatever is sighting incident happens on Earth, he
could hear about that and go back. And I do
think what you laughb K.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking that more.
Speaker 7: You know, Doctor Doom victims and Love wasn't on this list,
so Love could.
Speaker 1: Be a victim that it is played by Chris Hemster's daughters.
Speaker 4: All the young Ins were not on any of these lists,
so they're all all their fates.
Speaker 1: We don't want to do Young Avengers. We're canceling Young Avengers,
and let's let's kill off a war machine too, So
I don't want to do that fucking movie. Yeah, another
person on the list, No, no, uh don she scrodi. Yeah.
So I think that's what will happen. And then I
think Mackie is gonna they'll I think that's what's gonna happen,
is there'll be an event. Thor is gonna go there,
mack He's gonna go there, And look, oh, Captain America
just happened to be putting them together the Avengers again.
And that's how he gets back on to me. I
talked about this on that cast and many times. I
remember when Destin Daniel cran in that whole like the
Kang stuff was going on, and all those rumors all
the time. Never had Thor on the list, and I
never under fucking stood why. I know I said that weird,
but like I understood that they were kind of like
almost treating you like doctor Strange. We're like, oh, he's
not really on the Avengers now, like he's bigger by himself,
but it's like you only have so many people, like
we just have a cap am Man and him that
are like from the og Eras. It's like you have
him there. His movie is the second biggest MSU movie
that's not a crossover since Endgame, Like he should be there.
Stranger isn't on this list. So and to me, like
Hempsweth's was the first name they showed. They could have
shown anybody, but to me, that was them really showing
like like that's like a chicken soup of the sole,
like you guys love throw right, like don't worry thor
he's back, like he we got one of the og
Avengers because again Mark Ruffles on this list. Maybe he'll
come later, but yeah he was not, which was surprising
to me.
Speaker 4: I think the one of my biggest surprises in general
was just the lack of obvious Avengers people, right, and
obviously the lot of people could be on the who
knows what's going on with Loki. But yeah, there's only
like five and then you could throw Loki on there
for a sixth, but yeah, it's pretty pretty narrow list.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and like you guys talked to, when we
get that Thor and Loki come back, I am so
ready because it has been twenty eighteen, so at that
point it's gonna be eight years since those two shared
the screen together. They never once did it in als
in Thor four, they didn't do it in Loki. I
always thought they were gonna bring a Hempsworth variant in
there for the show, and they never did. So I
think it's kind of smart because you'll feel like this
coming together. And I do feel like there's a good
chance like both these two were actually like done done
now and like I know we thought that with Loki
in Endgame, but I do feel like now or in
Infinity War, but I feel like there's a chance, like
this is the the send off for real this time.
But you know, well, I'm really gone.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that this iteration of Thor will not be
the Love and Thunder version like the DAFT. I want
the Infinity War the end game, particularly the end game where.
Speaker 5: No Cord on this list, So Taika is long gone.
Speaker 1: A thing I think, so yeah, I don't see Taycha.
And remember it's the Russo's And most people, including myself,
would say the best version of thor is the Infinity
War one where he has some humor still but he's
still like a mega badass. And I think that, you know, Russo's,
that's one thing they do great, Like I love their
version of Spider Man. I love their version of Thor,
so I think they're in good hands. And for me,
it's good to see Sung Chi. I know lots of
people have been wanting him. I wasn't sure what the
director switch. I always thought there's a chance Sung She
you might not make it, and yeah, Paul Rudd, you
gotta have and Captain Falcon, we knew like Falcon. Yeah
all right, Like I'm not too investing in that character yet.
Maybe it'll happen or maybe again Doctor Doom, he's just
fodder for him, so uh, and then I'll put anything
more on these characters.
Speaker 6: What about Razor Fist? Is he coming with Sung Chi
in this as well?
Speaker 1: Ray Oh, I forgot a Razor fist.
Speaker 6: The new task Master, fucking.
Speaker 1: Fucking Razor fist. Uh. So then we got just this chunk,
this chunk of mutants, this chunk of X Men started
with Patrick Stewart coming back to die fifth time. But
we got we got Patrick Stewart, we got Ian McKellen
as Magneto, we got Kelsey Grammer as Beast, we got
James mars And as Cyclops. We got Rebecca Romayne as Mystique,
we got Alan coming as Nightcrawler, and uh, where's the
other one here? Oh, and then we got Channing Tatum
as Gambit, which is, uh, yeah, that's a big one
right there. But Taylor least start. I I heard over there,
there's obviously one. You didn't hear about it.
Speaker 3: Well, I saw something about Ian and Patrick returning and
I was like, okay, that's cool. And then people were
talking about other X Men characters, but I didn't know
who else. I was thinking in my head like, oh,
it's too like I just assumed he didn't get in,
but I thought, like, James Marsden, he should.
Speaker 6: You know, it's too.
Speaker 1: Bad he's not in there.
Speaker 3: Because I watched that court show you had mentioned a
while ago, Dylan with him and Drey Dudy. Yeah, then
he popped up in Sonic, so he's just in the back.
Speaker 6: Of my mind.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, yeah, it'd be cool if he was in there,
And sure enough, there you said the name. Holy shit,
that's that's super awesome.
Speaker 1: That was the name that Emily wanted. And I showed
her a fake post and then I had to go back,
Oh no, it's not real, and then like thirty minutes later,
was real.
Speaker 5: So I was like, did she believe you the second time?
Like she did?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a full on I had the screenshot
this time.
Speaker 3: You know, so wrote you said, Rebecca roman is her name,
Romayne Romaine. I didn't realize she was also in the
Punisher movie.
Speaker 1: The she was, yeah, that's crazy, like Frank's neighbor. Yeah,
we're gonna get there next year. So she does. She's like,
she's the name every Punisher movie.
Speaker 2: She could be Frank's neighbor, You're right, actual character names
in here.
Speaker 1: She could be Toss Jane's Punisher's neighbor. Yeah, who was
Like every Punisher movie, they always like his family's dead,
but they always have some hot blawn where he's like
maybe you know, even Karen and Daredevil's like maybe it's
like he's lost her family, Frank like fuck man like
and even uh punish her war zone. I think they
dyed her hair. But Julie Benns, who plays Rita from Dexter,
she's in there. I was like the maybe, you know,
like always there's a hot female next to Frank while
he's with his family crying over them. But yeah, so
I'm assuming too it's Rebecca remain as mystique as they
were in the X Men block, just to be clear,
So that's fair. Yeah, any thoughts on the other X
Men there too?
Speaker 3: I just yeah, so you said, uh yeah, night Crawler.
Oh my goodness, that's that's fantastic too. I was not
expecting all that, like really really caught me off cards.
So yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how this goes.
And again, are most of them just gonna get mrked off?
Speaker 6: I feel like they are.
Speaker 3: But is this Kelsey Grammer's beast from what we saw
with Monica Rampoh, it's that same one. You don't think
it's gonna be a different one.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's gonna be the bridge of how
we get there. They didn't announce any any Marvels actors,
like the Marbles, but I think one of those characters
will come back. Like the fact that we have a
character from six to one to six in a different universe,
I think that can be like a bridge. So I
think the next round of people, Tianna Paris will be
on that list because that's that's that's how you get
from point A to point B. Is that character right.
Speaker 3: There, and so we can assume that that is the
same beasts that we saw in the X one to
X last stand.
Speaker 1: That's what gets tricky because if you're looking.
Speaker 4: Because Mystique died in that timeline.
Speaker 1: Everybody died though, because remember that's the that's the that's
something no, forget all that, forget all that. It's it's
easier Logan because remember Logan, they confirmed that they all
died off, right, because Xavier had a seizure and he
like killed like a bunch of Munes accidentally because like
his buying control stuff, right, and then other Munes just
got sicked and died off. But then Deadpool kind of
muckied that timeline up because they had that Oh, Deadpool
and Logan were in the same timeline, but it didn't
make sense because there's still bunch of munes around. So really,
I don't know if they're gonna say, hey, Kelsey Grammar
from like the two thousands, that's the same beast, or
this is like a new X Men. They probably are
safer to say it is like just a new crew
that is the same actors, but they could try and well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and even Tatum throwing him in there, like so
obviously it's gonna be different squad than it was back
then anyway, So.
Speaker 1: Well, they never got their gambit that X Men. So
that's where you're safe because what happened was they.
Speaker 5: Know, but it's but I'm saying it's still like different.
Speaker 4: It's not like they would just pick up like, oh yeah,
here's like a this is an offshoot timeline from like
X two or something like that, because I don't know,
I can't remember in those movies. Is there a point
in time when Magneto and Professor X were working together
like those two McKellen and Stewart.
Speaker 1: Like yes, but were they were on the X Men together? Well, like, yeah,
they did. They worked together in the first Class, they
work together next two, and they worked together in Days
of the Future pass. So quite a few times their
Pound Round and Days of future pass they were like
the X Men together, they were like the last standing ones.
So but then when they saved the universe, they never
showed us what happened to Mystique and they Needle but
Beast was a teacher and that's why I said they
reretcon Gambit. So technically like Hugh Jackman's crew never had
a Gambit, they like had him. But then they took
out that timeline. Again, it's messy, it's it's a whole
show over there, X X Men.
Speaker 3: Could it possibly be along the same route as Way
Home where again we've got like your doc oc You're
Green Goblin. But they're pulled out from their respective timelines
at different points of time that like before their deaths,
like we know where they came from. So we could
get Beast pulled from like X two or sorry X three,
and then we could get Patrick Steer pulled from X one,
like they could pull them from different narrations. Or are they
all gonna be like the same characters do an't know
each other from one set universe?
Speaker 4: I don't think we'll get those answers. I think we'll
just drop them in and have fun.
Speaker 1: I think I think they're gonna be the same universe.
It's gonna be Universe X. They're gonna go there that
Gambit because remember at the end of did Poo Wolveren
on the screen, you can show they show Gambit going
back to his universe. So I think what's gonna happen
is that all these X Men people are on the
same universe. And it's because I think what you're gonna
have is you're gonna have the Avengers who are the
Thunderbolts and six to one six crew, you have F
four that's coming from a different universe, and they can
be the crew that went, hey, we lost, like kind
of what Mysterira was and far from Home, but a
real version of that of Hey, Doomsday came. Doctor Doom came,
and like, our universe is dead. And I bet that
the X Men universe, the Fox X Men universe, that's
the next one on the chopping block. That's what I
think is gonna happen. And that's why I think a
lot of these people Rebecca Romain on coming, Sorry, James Marsden,
I think a lot of these people are Doctor Doom victims.
They're gonna get a cool fight scene. Don't get me wrong.
They're gonna go out on their shield. They're gonna make
James Marrison look cooler than he ever has. You know why, Yeah,
because he had to play a shit Sideclops. Everyone loved you, Jackman.
They gave him nothing to do in those movies. I
think you're gonna you might even get him to say
to me my ex man, Like they're gonna do that.
But then Robert Dan Junior is gonna pop his fucking
head off, and that's gonna be over for him.
Speaker 3: So he's gonna make a name for himself, Gambit, he's
gonna say that line, timna a blast for myself.
Speaker 1: But no, Like I think Gambit could make it to
the next movie because I think that's where Jack Ben
and Reynolds come in. But I think most of these
people are gone or like Xavier, he dies every movie,
so like he's he's a goner. I'm very excited to
have Ian McKellen do this. Like he's even said like
like he just doesn't give no shits. He's like I'm
probably dying soon, and like I can't wait to do Gandal,
Like he literally said like no, no, But when he's
talking about Lord of the Rings, he's yeah, it's probably
gonna last thing I do. Like, like, so it's kind
of fun where like how we grew up with him
for myself of Magneto and Gandalf, in the next two years,
we're getting them back in those roles. And I don't
know why. I just really I probably know why. It's
because it's doctor Doom and Magneto. A scene of Ian
McKellen Robert Downey Junior and hopefully Robert Downey Junior is
a great Doom that I think has some juice potential
right there. There's just something about that pairing room, like
Ian McKellen and Downey, like that's cool. Now, could there
just be a situation where down he picks up a
building and throws on Magneto and he dies. Yeah, sure,
And I hope it's not that. That's definitely we have
some questions out from some patrons, but like if this
effects are hyper not, but there's lots of potential here
and uh yeah, there's names that surprised me of like
I was not expecting Nightcrawler or the original Mystique. I thought, no,
those are people they're glonging for. There's names that they
forgot or don't have, But like halle Berry or Jean
Gray or even Rogue. But I think those are names
that could come later. I'd be very surprised if they
don't have halle Berry back. It's like, that's like to me,
like a that's a big name you add to the
movie again, right and stuff and what And I guess
what I at first, because I see a lot of
people bring this question up, and like even the chat
like where's Wolverine if you remember it all, like if
we're following the dead of Wolverine one, his X Men
are dead, right, so he wouldn't know know these people right,
like he would know of them of like hey that's Xavier,
that's Scott, but this isn't his crew of x Men.
These are people that like are still alive. His crew
of X Men died. He let them all die when
he got drunk and everything. So I wonder if they're
gonna use that as like a happy ending, if they're
gonna have hu Jack Wolverine end up back with an
X Men squad and he'll kind of stay there, like
it's kind of a full circle moment of I can't
help remember they did that in the first season. What
if where like there was a black widow, like displaced
from time and then one died, so she kind of
just took over her slot and then just went forward.
I wonder if they're gonna do that where oh yeah,
we lost Logan years ago and here's a Logan that
needs an X men and then you kind of send
them off happy, you know, off into the distance.
Speaker 5: So that's that makes sense.
Speaker 4: I was kind of surprised not to see Ryan Reynolds here,
you know, secret Wars. Sure that makes maybe even more sense.
Obviously he wouldn't fit into the screw necessarily, but also
this gam but doesn't either if turned in terms of
like the.
Speaker 5: Old legacy of it.
Speaker 4: But it's super duper messy, as you already mentioned there, Travis.
So yeah, fun a fun list in terms of like
us getting more announcements for characters like do you act?
Do you guys think we're gonna get any more X men?
Because this to me seems like pretty hefty emault, Like
halle Berry is like the super big omission for me,
and then like Gene, I guess, and then maybe Rogue.
But like that list, it's really easy for that list
to keep growing, and I feel like this is already
what seven people, So it's like, Okay, that's pretty decent.
Like if you just want to get some some X
Men in there, like you've you've kind of succeeded.
Speaker 1: I think those three you have to because I just
thought about it. We've never on screen. I don't know
if they're gonna do it. In the the six one
six X Men, you can get Anna pack When and
Changing Tatum together as the Rogue and Gambit, and we've
never gotten that on live action to see those two characters.
So I think those are the three. I think if
they do another set of chairs in the last and
my theory is if they do another set of chairs,
the last actor this time will be Evans because it
will be that flip of down did it and then Evans?
I think, I think gene Storm, Rogue and that's it
to me, barring Reynolds and Jackman, but I think those
three it's a lot. But like I said, I think
Nightcrawler is gonna like have a cool scene and die
like That's why I think it's gonna happen like Hamblin
and Finney Warm.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's nice that they got three people
who have come back recently be at Professor Xon Gambit
and then four like legacy characters.
Speaker 5: I think that works nicely kind of kind of connects.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Kirkling, we get anymore X Men?
Speaker 6: Where's this?
Speaker 7: I feel like this is a healthy list, but you
make great points by bringing up those those big.
Speaker 2: Three with what you say, Anna Pack when we got like,
I don't.
Speaker 7: Know, Jens Jensen, Jensen Jensen, Yeah, I know like that
that one just makes sense story wise. And then as
just like a fan boy, like that would just be
so hyped to get because I feel like X Men
is like that era, the the Fox x Men movies,
like that was like a big inception and just like
the genre for me, just like film wise, so that
would be really really sweet kind of how like I mean,
we kind of already had.
Speaker 2: Like jeez, Wolverine and Deadpool, like.
Speaker 7: Good send off to that chapter, but like here we
this is like the epilogue because I'm Kenning Ian McKellen back.
Speaker 2: That's that's insane.
Speaker 1: Uh. And then it is kind of funny they did
that whole end credit tribute and then it's like a
year later, you're gonna see I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: It because I love it so much. So yeah, I'm
very hyped.
Speaker 7: This is easily like the most hyped batch of of
of names for me. I just did not think in
a million years like let alone like Channing Tatum. I
I was like, no, really, low chance we're going to
see him. It just doesn't fit the tone of what
this movie I would expect to be.
Speaker 2: But then yeah, like.
Speaker 8: The incredible night Crawler in there, James marsclobs like fuck
like I'm so hyped reading, And then yeah, like the
original Mystique as well, Rebecca remains, So.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm hyped like that.
Speaker 7: That character terrified me as a kid, So it'll be
really cool to just have that same actress, uh you know,
don the mantle again.
Speaker 4: If we got one freakish cameo from like Mystique transforming
into someone for like just you know five seconds, who
who which actor would that be?
Speaker 5: Who literally is on set for like seven minutes to
get that could be good.
Speaker 1: I'd like that Or Edward Norton one of those.
Speaker 4: I was thinking more like, wait, what X Men character
like didn't want to come back for a full movie
but would be down for one scene. But I like
those ones even more so hopefully we got one of
those oh.
Speaker 1: Which which didn't come back for a full movie.
Speaker 2: It'd be like a big one.
Speaker 7: I feel like a big character because if it's just
like Bobby like that doesn't really do that for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Banshee from first Class?
Speaker 2: What is the name Striker? That guy?
Speaker 1: No, he just trashed the MC last year. He's not
coming back. I'm a Frost No really, who's that? You know?
Who is that? Who? Who? You get the other end
like Gambit, Maybe that could be a good in joke
where you get to her Kitsch who played Gammon in
origins and he turns into him while changing TAM's in
the room, you know, but sticking.
Speaker 2: The wo movie. I almost forgot about that guy with
the calvarine.
Speaker 1: You could do that another just appearance by Calvil first second. Yeah,
that's all he does. He's only in the MC always
for thirty second increments. I'm gonna ask you all this,
but Kirkland, you can go first unless you don't have
an answer, because obviously there's still tons of fun connections
between like the Avengers and Thunderbolts and even Fantastic Four,
right like we haven't seen Pedro like interact with him,
where like there's still it's like Infinity War ending game
where there's tons of it's this Smorgasborg of Oh, look
at these fun connections. Is there anyone though specifically from
the X Men side, because a lot of them other
than even Tatum, he just interacted with the other like
you know X twenty three blade. Is there anyone from
the X Men like for me, like I said, it's
like Ian and Downey. Is there any connection to characters
like oh, I want to can't wait to see those
two together. That's like a first timer, barring they don't
die off in an opening action scene. You know, if
one of YouTube have you could go off kirkle I'm.
Speaker 4: Blanking, I'll drop a quick one for me. Could be
I'm going McKellen again, but I'm gonna go with McKellen
and Loki. I feel like in terms of like all
time great Marvel villains, and even if Loki is not
in his Marvel era and McKellen maybe he's like a
huge in this timeline too.
Speaker 5: I still think that we.
Speaker 4: Could get like some interesting dialogue where they have some
conversation where they talk in a very cloudy way about
their pasts and like difficult decisions they've made. That could
be a really fun scene.
Speaker 1: Well, and even then if they were, like because the
Russos did say that iron Man's death is going to
play a role in the doctor Room store line, so
I think they are. Whether they change your minds because
I think there was rumors at one point, wasn't I
think they've pretty much just ben the Nien and said, oh,
we're just gonna make this Armman variant, which I'm happy with.
You have that where you have two hero villains that
turned to the good side, right, and that's like a
good juxposition, where you'd have Downey who was a hero
potentially that went to the bad side, right, So that
could be a good kind of how do you deal
with that character? Well, I mean two of them right here,
you know.
Speaker 4: Who knows like like Downey like he could be recruiting
Loki and Magneto as like he could be, yeah, you know,
part of his villain force, which that would be insane.
Speaker 5: If that was the row we're going down, I would
love instead.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got one here.
Speaker 7: I'm going to pitch Elena interacting with Mystique, and Mystique
is going to be Scargo that black Oh that's the
three combiner there that's a good one.
Speaker 5: And for a moment she turns into task Master just
to dive the knife in more of him.
Speaker 1: That'd be good day you rubbing a little mustache over there.
Speaker 6: Fuck, it's hard to think of think of one for.
Speaker 1: This, Hensworth. You know, but you don't want joke you Thoris.
You don't want that.
Speaker 3: I don't want joke you Thor yet. So I don't
want that. I don't want to see that. Yeah, I
don't know. I don't know what I would really pitch
is my two to tango here, because there's.
Speaker 5: Okay, yours will be David Harbor and Channing Tatum.
Speaker 1: Then that could be it's either a great five minutes
or an insufferable five minutes. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 5: If we dedicate five minutes of the movie to that.
Speaker 1: It's a joke end credit scene, I would take uh.
Speaker 3: And we we haven't talked about it yet, but I
know he's I know he's in here. Read Richards and
beast carso Grammar's beast to like to see the science whizzes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can do sing and beast thing.
Speaker 4: Beast in Hulk can have a little convo about being
big and transient.
Speaker 2: About John Walker and Beast. You know, Beast could like
really give him some philosophical.
Speaker 1: John Walker and anybody, I'd be super down, Like what
is John Walker and Professor X gonna talk about? You know,
like I would love to see just any of the
abaglamations of that.
Speaker 5: John Walker Loki.
Speaker 4: I feel like those two are not in the same way,
Like that'd.
Speaker 7: Be good a bad guy too, but I'm good his
name wasn't on here, but Charlie Cox Daredevil and I wish, yeah,
pretty much anyone on Cox list John they could talk
about Xavier School that he went to there you go.
Speaker 1: Right high school? Is no man, wasn't me the whole time,
Charlie Cox. That sounds like a Deadpool joke, like the
whole time. Daredevil will not let it go, like I
swear I went to your school. He's like, that's a
different school, like mine's for the gifted, that's Exaer' high school.
It's not me, Like, no, man, you were there as
a ball teacher. I swear they can't even see.
Speaker 3: I'd like to see a John Walker and a Daredevil
thing because I feel like John Walker wouldn't even know
Dared Devil's blind until like five minutes kick so easily too.
Speaker 1: And embarrassed and he's not the super Soldier. But yeah,
we gem in the second that's my name, the coxunless
they had not they did not, unfortunately, have any Charlie
Cox hoping he's in the second batch of names. That's
that's my dream, pick after Jackman and totally. But yeah,
Tyror mentioned I didn't mention it. They confirmed the F four,
but that to me wasn't a big thing because I
think everybody forgot they confirmed the F four last year
when they were on stage of Comic Con. They said, Oh,
and they're all be in the Avengers movie too, So yeah,
you got read, you got Sue. Okay, there you go.
You gott read Sue, Johnny Ben. No one's complain about
spoiling that. Hey, well if they had died Fantastic three,
no Herbie do come on, no dooms that dooms got her?
Speaker 2: Pullman, don't forget him, you know Fantastic Oh fuck he's thunderbolts.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what happened there? Why did you?
Speaker 4: I really want to see Lewis Pullman and Joseph Quinn
interact in this movie.
Speaker 1: My dream, My dream?
Speaker 3: Do we see a silver Surfer appearing in here or no,
is that gonna take a chair kill that character off?
Speaker 6: I hope not.
Speaker 1: But that's tough there from a different universe supposedly, right,
So that's why I can't remember who in the chat.
Somebody today in discorse like, oh what about galact and said, well,
if that universe goes tod put for now and then
they leave it and they're the only survivors along with
let's say Doom, it's like those characters wouldn't be around
for now. You might get our version of Surfer down
line or Glactus, but I don't think the one specifically
from that movie you're gonna carry over because I think
that universe is gonna close the loop, so correct, Okay,
I will quickly ramble off some names we did not
get so obviously they got Comic Con. They might do
this real again, but these are at least the biggest name.
It's like just fifteen of them. Someone actually put task masks.
We're not talking about that. Evans to me, Evans is
a I think he's just I think that's a Comic
Con savor one. I think they're gonna try and do
the down anything with him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes sense, I.
Speaker 1: Agreed, Taylor Kirkland nothing stage, it's an audio format, Haley
at well, Captain car Pey.
Speaker 5: Action at well, m M.
Speaker 1: I'm more on the Secret Wars bandway again because I
think they are going to bring in Captain Carter, and
I think they'll save her for that and she'll be
the what if and she'll be all fucking juped out
and everything, So I could agree with that. Yeah, Oh,
Taylor's type and weight in the mic.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: According to Deadline, Hailey Att will return his piggy Carter
Iridge's Doomsday.
Speaker 6: I guess I forgot it, said.
Speaker 1: Evans, but I'm just saying beause they didn't announce them,
but we don't know.
Speaker 3: What iteration, right, like, uh okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think there. I do think there's some
of these that legitimately they will just not announce at all.
Like that could be Evans as well too, right, Evans
could not be until we see the movie or post
credit and he's in Secret Wars like they could wait
Ruffalos Hulk. I feel like that one's gotta be coming
at some point, right, Like, Yeah.
Speaker 4: It doesn't really make sense for him to not be
in there, based on where he's at in the timeline
right now. Yeah, so, and they just obviously he didn't
obviously end up being in Brave New World, but there
was a lot of Hulk things in there. So hopefully
he comes comboed with his what was a cousin?
Speaker 5: What is their connection again?
Speaker 1: Their cousins, right, yeah, their cousins and his son too.
Don't forget scars.
Speaker 5: Well I forgot. Yeah, he's we don't need him to me.
Speaker 1: One of the most surprising names that names. It was
not on this list, Chris Pratt to star Lord. I
know it's coming, whether it's for one of the movies,
but I thought, especially we got that, you know, will return.
I thought for sure he'd be there.
Speaker 5: Zero Guardians at all.
Speaker 1: Zero Guardians, Yeah, we got obviously. No, we're coxless and
no Daredevil, no Strange or Wong.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, Wizards, yeah some of these.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, while she's dead, dying, she can't come back.
Speaker 5: No, she's just under a couple of rocks. Okay, chill out. Yeah,
I've seen her.
Speaker 1: Hawkeye both Hawkeye.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: In general, I'll just throw them together. How do you
guys feeling about the Young Avengers, Because Mike was talking
about this, like, oh, maybe they could be in the
second one, help bring back some of these like the
hero stuff. I think there's a good chance that they
could be in these movies, but a very minor role,
or I think there's a good chance, like they're not.
They're gonna look at these younger characters that are in
Young Avengers be like the Marvels, Miss Marvel Hawkey, like
these aren't huge fans, they're Disney Plus stuff, which there's
not much Disney Plus representation on this list. They might
just look at them and be like, yeah, that's fine
for our streaming service, but we don't. Like she Hulk
was not on the list.
Speaker 4: Like iron Heart, which considering we have other Black Panther connections,
you think maybe she would be involved.
Speaker 1: And she's got a show coming on like three months now,
you know. So I think there's a shot the Young
Avengers in general might just not really be.
Speaker 2: Around, you know, or cannon fodder, you know, just.
Speaker 1: Gone Hayley Steinfeld gone taking out their folds. They're like,
we got the X Men rights, We're fine. Fine.
Speaker 2: I think that roster's pretty safe. So I I think you.
Speaker 7: Think they appear I would say more secret warsy as
opposed to here, I'll say there.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe they have a movie or something prior to
Secret Wars, but actually I'll say after. I'll just say
after Secret Wars. So they're gonna be They're gonna be
middle aged Avengers by the time that movie comes out.
But I think we're gonna I think they're waiting in
the wings warming that bench.
Speaker 2: The elder Avengers.
Speaker 4: Maybe we get them on as like a mutant because
she had that thing. Maybe she ends up being on
the action too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just throw like I know people even the original
comic writers said they wanted her to be a mutant.
I'd be completely fine. They're just like we're doing the
X of movies and Miss Marvel's an X Men character
and it's a great perfect She's, like I said.
Speaker 4: I'm part of this, like this doomsday roster. But that
would be interesting to over to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, I see what you mean. Young Avengers.
They hear minor roles dead non at all to plus
where are you?
Speaker 5: I could see them just an offscreen death for.
Speaker 1: All of them, like they did to the Nova Core
and uh like Fanos that's I got the powers and
he just killed the entire planet. Didn't like John c
Riley gone, Glenn Close gone.
Speaker 3: I don't know about them popping up in this movie.
I feel like, and maybe someone at Disney knows this,
Like a lot of them kind of as interesting as
their characters are. When it hits that humor tone, and
a lot of these young Avengers have a lot of humor,
I feel like those humorous notes overlap. So when you
have a Kate Bishop and a Kamala, it's just like, okay,
well like they overlap a little bit, and it's well,
that's the thing. It's that's exactly it, And it's okay
to have one of those in Avengers, your Spider Man.
It works and it's great seeing that humor playoff all
the different characters and just this aniness of it. But
if you have a full team of six of these
kids all doing that, riding off of each other with
that kind of level of humor with everyone else, oh
my god, that's just that's a lot. And then you
throw a scar into the mix, like it's just a
whole can of worms. So I don't think we're gonna
see them here necessarily, and if we do, it'll be
just a couple and it's gonna be like, Oh, we're
gonna be like visiting location. We're gonn to be going
to New Jersey seeing Kamala. We're gonna be going to
New York and seeing Kate Bishop. And honestly, I think
the lack there of Hawkeyes might be in due to
the fact that they were the season two rumors or
something like that.
Speaker 1: So I think that's gonna be a go so and
that same thing like Visions on this list, same thing
as a show. So it's like, what the fuck is
White Vision even doing right now? I guess if Scarlet
Witch comes.
Speaker 2: Back drinking beers, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where Starlart is. Yeah, I guess if Scarlett
Witch comes back, that could be a way to get
him back on the board, right he has to go
find his love. But that to me again is more
secret wars. I think they're gonna save I could see
her actually be an end credit.
Speaker 7: But last, what was White Visions like like mindset with Scarlatitch.
Speaker 2: I can't remember end of Wana Vision.
Speaker 7: He just flew away, but like does he remember like
the like the attachment that he had to that character.
Speaker 2: No, fully robotic. Now I can't even remember.
Speaker 1: Snow because the colored vision, regular vision. I'll say first vision,
first vision. He put all his memories into him so
he remembers it all, but he didn't feel it all.
So it's like a Jason Bourden situation. Yeah, thank you.
So he knows like, Okay, I had sexual relations with
Scarlett Witch, we had some kids, but he didn't feel
that right.
Speaker 4: So well, he felt something he maybe felt I was
gonna say too. With the Young Avengers, like okay, Thor
and a men are on the roster and their two
kids are like very you know, maybe not love as much,
but definitely a man's daughter seems like a easy young
Avenger type and like no mention ever here. So I
don't know if he's just like, you know, sit on
the bench for this one. You can stay at home
even though you have powers now, or you have your suit,
whatever's going on. So kind of a weird situation. But
I think that just kind of hints that once again,
Young Avengers is like a separate, separate bucket. Whether that
ends up happening or not, I think it's separate bucket territory.
Speaker 1: They supposed we had your showrunner this week, so it
sounds like they're they're going for it. You know, Marcia
Ley is Blade. I was really hoping, you know how
many I don't put the face way down. I was
hoping because what I want more than I think we're
not getting played, at least throwing one of these big
movies just to establish him. And man, I'll say next
to Cox that was I'm probably hoping for Ali Moore
because Ali just seems like such a long shot. I
was wishing. But yeah, that didn't happen.
Speaker 4: Especially Channing Tatum hanging out with another a different Blade
could could have been fun little joking.
Speaker 1: Could have been Sam Jackson, which actually was surprised he
was on the list. I thought that was like a layup.
He could be coming later on, though, I feel I
feel like he's gotta be here.
Speaker 5: I'm just picturing this picture.
Speaker 1: Scrawl Sam Jackson. And then finally the big one that
every I think was most surprised about. No Tom Holland
a spider Man. So again, there could be more names,
could be that, but I was surprised he was not
on this initial batch. I'm gonna assume he's still in
this movie, even if it's in a civil war type
of role where it's a smaller one. But the man
is filming honestly right now, Nolan, and he goes to
film Spider Man. This man just might not be able
to fucking be an Avenger right now. So that's why
I think he will be in here, but it'll be
something smaller. And I've ben Secret Wars that's where he's more,
and that's where the money is. You want to see
him with like Toby and Andrew Gain. You want to
see him with like Hugh Jackman and Tom Holland. You
want to see that. You know, you don't want to
see him in the crew that maybe gets killed off
in the first movie for a bit, right Like you
want to see him with Nick Cage. You want to
see him with Wesley like he is one of the
like leader leaders, and there's a couple others like I
think Hempsworth should be there. I think if you want
to make if you actually want Captain America to be
a big deal, you have him survive and interact with
Hugh Jackman everything like that. But Tom Holland, I think
it is a draft pick. I just think maybe the
guy's just too busy right now. Maybe, and that's why
some of these names might not be announced too. Maybe
there's plans with me in there, but they're literally not
signed or they're just not filming in the first few months, right,
maybe it's down a line. So but yeah, no'sbody right now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was the big shocker for me. It was funny.
I asked Shay like what she thought of the list,
and she's like, where's Tom Holland? Like that was the
first thing that she thought of. And I'm sure many
people out there are are in the same sentiment. I mean,
I was thinking the exact same thing. It's gonna be
a given like when we eventually get it in there.
But I just feel like, like the want for that
character and Tom Holland in that role is is very high.
So it's they better be saving him for some some
juicy stuff because even just like the match at like
you know, just seeing Downy's face on a villain for
like the characters, that's a big deal, but like for
Spider Man like that, that's gonna be a crazy, uh
just interaction there with how much he looked up to him.
So I'm very much looking forward to when that eventually happens.
Speaker 2: It was it was saved here.
Speaker 7: I to be fair though, like I feel like it
would have been hype seeing him on like a chair,
like just Tom Holland's name on a chair, But still
like to actually if they're able to save it for
like a potential small appearance, I think he will be
in the movie. I think it will be a smaller role.
I think a big part of that is to do
with just the filming schedule that he's.
Speaker 2: On right now.
Speaker 7: But still I think it is a guaranteed in my
mind that he's gonna at least be a somewhat part
of it, and then just leading into Secret Wars where
he is a bigger part.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, Holland and Downey have done a ton
of scenes together and they have great chemistry and there's
just a lot of juice there. So I think they're
gonna try and make it happen, even if it's like
some really janky thing where it's just a green screen shot,
where like, Okay, we're able to get Downy and Holland
in the same room for you know, four hours, and
we'd like shot a few scenes and we're gonna figure
out what works best in the movie.
Speaker 5: I think we'll get something like that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I feel like he just based off the
schedule stuff and like, however, how much other stuff's going
on here? I feel like maybe we won't get a
ton of that, or I'd get a ton of him
and then Secret Wars, Yeah you get the reunite moment
with all the all the Spidies, so I could see
something like that happening.
Speaker 1: All the Spidies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, It's it's curious how he's not in this.
I'll just laughing about how curious is he's not in this.
I think that it makes more sense for him to
be lined up for the next one after after this iteration,
because you don't want to be in the movie with
everyone dying and.
Speaker 6: All that jazz.
Speaker 3: And I was just he's leveled up, and I'm thinking,
you know, when he gets his own Spider Man movie,
that's probably gonna explain why he wasn't around. And he's
doing his own thing and it's getting kind of crazy,
and I was just, again, I was curious.
Speaker 1: And I google like Spider Man. I googled Spider Man four.
Speaker 3: Because I was just trying to see what they had,
and this first thumbnail that popped out, I was like, man,
that's super cool. You got venom symbio Tomlin Spider Man
with Doctor Doom.
Speaker 6: That's on the top there.
Speaker 1: That's not the first one I see. I see this
terrible AI generated up Downy in the Doom.
Speaker 2: It is terrible.
Speaker 3: It is terrible, but I like the idea behind it.
But yeah, you got some a lot of people really
loving him wearing the symbio, no.
Speaker 1: Matter how no matter look at his head, no matter
how many times they do the fucking symbio.
Speaker 3: Peop.
Speaker 1: Look at these trailer reviews. One point for me, like
people still juice over, Like I really like to see
a blackout.
Speaker 3: Two point six million with this one with Iron Man
or Tony.
Speaker 1: We don't have time today. I would love to watch
it in the future.
Speaker 2: Is somebody excited for this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't. Let's not watch this. I'd say that for
maybe that's a good brand butter But like the trailer,
let's see everybody you know well made Okay. Luckily most
of the top comments are people you know, knowing you guys,
tom Be, Like, what I'd done in the movie without me?
Speaker 6: What the heck?
Speaker 4: All these are all boughts, all these comments in this video,
everything involved is a bot, and I think it could be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, put that down there. Let's see patron questions
here quickly had them pulled up. But let's see Dalton
Tolar says, whose name surprised you the most? I think
for regular For me it was an aymar because I
just forgot about him, kind of like I even in
message you guys, like do you guys have on another podcast?
I forget about that. But then as far as the
X Men, like that's the one, I'm actually gonna say
Marston because like I don't know, maybe it's m maybe
he could be McKellen, but I still thought there's a
chance Marsten, just because I feel like if they do
always that we got to get the top people. I
feel like they kind of leave him out, like I
just like they don't consider him like the jack Man,
the steward, the things like that. So I was happy
to see him there because, like I said, I hope
they give him a scene where he gets to be
a badass Scott Summers for once and he gets to
go out on a shield. So I'd say James Marson
was my number one. E McKellen was like a very
close second.
Speaker 4: I feel like for me, yeah, nay more for sure,
century I you know, I ask me any time before today,
is Century gonna be in an Avengers movie? And my
answer would never be yes. So that's that's a big surprise.
And then it'd be just the X Men duo of
Nightcrawler and Mistique. Just those two are I feel like,
and all the rumors and all the wish lists and
all the casts we've done, and I think we've ever
mentioned those two of like back and like, oh they
could have been in a Deadpool canty like those they
never have come up once. So I feel like those
two are real deep cut polls. So yeah, those two
name More and Century for me, And.
Speaker 1: Even it was a mystique. If you told me, hey,
Mystique's next Avenger, I've been like, oh, they got Jennifer Lawrence.
I would not thought Rebecca remains, So.
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely, yeah, mine would be definitely the tie of
night Crawler and that Mystique pretty much like a lot
of the X Men, though like like I wouldn't have
expected mcellen in there, but I don't know it also
just I guess makes sense in that avenue.
Speaker 6: But uh.
Speaker 2: And then Ghost.
Speaker 7: Even like that was a big shocker. And then definitely
an Aymar yeah.
Speaker 3: I'd have to say, Marsden, I'm with you, Travis. That
one really copied by surprise, and I'd probably go I'd
go mystique. Yeah, that's that's and I honestly just keeping
back Frank's neighbor.
Speaker 6: That's sorry, Frank's neighbor.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, maybe a dual role.
Speaker 4: She'll play both both care we didn't we didn't get
confirmation he's playing. We don't know she's playing Miss Deke,
you know, even as that character from Punishment.
Speaker 1: You know they'll put Frank Castle with a seak. He's like, oh.
Speaker 4: Lady, eh, a joke for five people who can put
that connection.
Speaker 1: Together and just a pin drop and I'll I'll forget.
Speaker 5: By the time the movie comes out. I guarantee it.
Speaker 1: Another question for Detall, Tay, I'll start with the roundabout way.
Does this cast real make you more or less excited
for the movie?
Speaker 2: You know how long I've been waiting for this.
Speaker 1: I'm excited some more excited.
Speaker 7: Yeah, mister, I am more excited. I am more thought
with it with like an asterisk to it, because it's
just like I need some more though, Like if this.
Speaker 2: Is just.
Speaker 5: You're freaking greedy, you've talked about this.
Speaker 7: Don't be agreed with this a second batch of names,
Like I feel like, don't get any more name siams
beyond this.
Speaker 2: This is our whole doomsday cast. So you wouldn't is
unacceptable because I have a.
Speaker 1: Because Manny has a great question, but I'm gonna ask
like a dendum on that question. But like if they
were actually today, they would have Kime said this is
the cast. That's it. You would think this is not
a good enough roster, knowing like let's say I'm not
saying Tom hol would Let's say let's say Tom Holk
could be in Secret Wars and stuff like that, but
in this you'd be underwhelmed by these X Men people.
And like I feel like for the Phase four to
six Avengers, they got the biggest ones like Pew and
Thor and.
Speaker 7: Stan and Mackie, Like four people, Yeah, the fantastic four
fair points.
Speaker 2: I would they're on me in the middle.
Speaker 7: I would need at least a Spider Man like surprise
appearance in the film, like like somehow they don't leak
that he's in the film. That would say Spider Yeah,
I'm greedy, don't want to be greedy now.
Speaker 1: But don't less or more.
Speaker 4: I'm more excited because you know, we've had a little
bit of info about this movie. It's almost been rumors,
and to just get confirmation of stuff, and this is
a lot of stuff to get confirmation. They could have
done ten chairs and people would still been popping off,
but they did, Like, I don't know, what is it,
twenty twenty eighty six, twenty chairs twenty six, twenty six. Yeah,
that's a ton of chairs. That's super exciting.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: I'm more excited than I was before because not just
the deep cuts, but just just kind of having more
info and be able to put together a.
Speaker 5: Bigger idea of what this movie actually is. It's super exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I'm kind of like Kurkulam, where I'm more
with an asterix, but my asterisks different and almost like
what Dylan said, where I'm happy that for the next few,
not few, for the next twelve plus months, we're not like, oh,
for another rumor in mccollens on set for another Like
I like that they're like, let's confirm some of these
big ones and get them out there. I think that's
also smart too, because all these ones confirmed, they're gonna
span them in the trailers, and I think they know that.
I think we got some questions about box office. They
know they got to win some people back, so to
throw some of these big names, they don't got to
be like should we should we not say well, everyone
knows Stuart's in there, throw them in there. Everyone knows
in McKellen's in there, in there. I think that does
help for hype stuff. For me, it still doesn't change
anything about It's been such a messy phase. And you know,
I have coined the term war so fucked. I do
think luckily, like what we're talking about before with cap
F four and Thunderbolts, if that is kind of the
lead into this, then it's a little less I'm a
little less worried because it is okay, you really not really,
but you really just have to watch like those three
and then that leads into whatever. Right, So before when
it was like when I rewatched the Infinney War End games,
like there's so many stories, how can you get this
all meshing? Well, this is they kind of do like
a like a shortcut to it, and it's like many
stories because the X Men they don't need to do that.
They have the we know their stories, right, like, we
have the history with them, so we can fill those blanks.
So it makes me a little more Yeah, I'll say
I'm a little more excited, but I'm still not like, oh,
this is completely It's great to have these actors confirmed,
but I'm also not like this is for sure gonna
hit Infinity War endgame levels, Like this isn't mean It
could also just be these people could literally just be
back for cameo slop. What if we get to a
point where, yeah, Doom lands down in the X Men
universe and just kills all these people. There's no great
dialogue scene like And don't get me wrong, I liked
what they did in Multiverse of Madness, right, I thought
that was a fun thing. Show up the Illuminati scar
which destroyed some Oh that was fun cameo. If they
do that again, exager But if they do that with
lots of these people, to me, that would be lost
potential because the fun stuff to me is seeing you know,
Ry Whussell talk to Patrick Stewart like that's what I want.
So if it is just them to show up and
just get killed in cgi battle, then it is just
like the AI, you know, cameo slop, and that's where
I can say, I'm not like, oh for sure we're
locked in. No, this could still be bad, and they're like,
let's just make people excited and oh, people like Nightcrawler.
Have him fight Doomsday or fuck doctor Doom for a minute,
you know, So more of it's still an asterix may
say says way too early predictions for or what's your
two early predictions for total box office? The last two
Ventures films cracked two billion? Where do you think this lands?
I'm pretty sure did an Endgame May three or almost three?
I could be wrong.
Speaker 5: Actually, then they re release it or something.
Speaker 1: Let's see it May okay two point eight, So there
you go. But yeah, so I'll just ask that question
now because it's early. Do you think they both crack
two billion? Endgame? Did that in Finny war.
Speaker 5: Ooh, I think they're cracking a billion?
Speaker 2: Easy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Two billion is a big number. Though, I'm gonna say no,
not in the two billion, not this one. Maybe Secret
Wars that's.
Speaker 1: Where I am. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think they'll crest that ridge on the two bill
and it'll be bright and wonderful.
Speaker 2: We'll all believe in the MCU again.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'm a I think like the first one
unless here's my asterisk here, unless uh, Doomsday comes out
and it's like really fucking good, like people like, oh,
we haven't had an MC movie like this since Endgame.
Like then I think it could get up to that
two billion for repeat viewings. Plus there could be some
more cameras we don't know about, like the way they
had Channing Tam or everything. So like think about those
fourth fifth weekends when they show here's Chris Evans, here's
Tough Jackman, I think, or Drogue of course, or Scars
well those two. So I think Doomsday is at least
like a one point five, but I could see it
being one point nine or even just two. I think
Secret Wars is a for sure. I've always said you
throw Toad Maguire and Hugh Jack want a post together.
That's two billion, easy, easy, doesn't even matter what the
quality movie is people. That right there is generations of
nostalgia right there.
Speaker 3: So Taylor, I'm gonna say Doomsday is an easy one
bill right there, and it's you know, one to one
point five. I think for sure that's second one. Yeah,
I think you're hitting the two two mark.
Speaker 1: Is there any universe and I guess Maddy kind of
asked this, is there any universe where Doomsday is just
fucking awful and that keeps Secret Wars from making two billion?
I think that's.
Speaker 5: Possible, possible, very possible.
Speaker 4: I think you think people still go to the theater
anyway for Secret But yeah, I mean in terms of
the because he had a separate question with quality, right.
Speaker 1: He said, so it's a double here. What percentage would
you give dooms Day to end up being a huge
bus either quality or financially? Any concerns that could actually disappoint? Yeah,
kind of some stuff for tumb but yeah, what do
you think, what give me a number percentage on your
quality and then on finance?
Speaker 4: Still, I mean I think it's definitely it's definitely gonna
rake in them dough, no concerns there. Even if it's
a bad movie. I think it's still gonna make a
lot of money. Is it gonna make as much as
they want these greedy suits up in their ivory tower?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: But in terms of like when we look at it's like, oh, yeah,
it's gonna crush a billion, which to me is like okay,
if you crush a billion, you're happy.
Speaker 5: I know these people always want more, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Nowadays, if you don't get many of those, like it's
not like when we start the podcast where you had
sixteen billion dollars movies. It's like every year you kind
of get two and that's about it, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: In terms of quality though, I mean, yeah, as I mentioned,
I'm more excited now than it was before, but I
still don't really have more faith that this is gonna
be a very well done movie than I did before.
I think this is even though we talked about this, okay,
like there's a little bit of a runway now leading
into this in terms of the cap Thunderbolts F four,
but like there is no continuity between any of the o's,
Like there are just three very random projects that have
been in production for long before Doomsday was even something
they were considering doing, right, Like all those things were
announced and in production to some extent even before, like
while we saw a Kang Dynasty on the table, right,
So I still think there's a great chance that this
movie is very, very messy.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's gonna be rushed because feel
like they announced it a long time ago now, but
maybe maybe it could be rushed just in terms of
like CGI quality stuff like that, and like weird reshoot
stuff or as I mentioned, like that Tom Holland thing.
It's like, yeah, maybe they only have them in like
the studio for a few hours and they just shoot
some random scene and like you might feel that when
you're watching the movie. So yeah, I think that whatever
the other these are gonna be, this movie, I'll say
it the very least is gonna be worse than both
in Fame Or and End Game easily. Like in terms
of quality, I think it's almost impossible that they match
those or even get close to them, to be honest.
But you know, it's dirty fanboy stuff, and I'm still
gonna have a fun time with the movie, I think,
even if it's even if it's pretty rough, you know.
Speaker 1: Lasting with the dirty fanboy stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh we all, we all are You know.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember that you said it was announced a
long time ago, but at the same point that was
when it was called King Dynasty though, right, So it's
like it was announced long time ago, but it's gone through.
Speaker 5: Many script changes. Yeah, I know, that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like it's it's you know, in terms of how rush
it is, like, it does feel like, Okay, they're going
into production now like or filming now right, and then
they're releasing it next summer.
Speaker 5: So I don't know that could work. I guess that's fine.
Speaker 1: I think call money wise, like Maddie asked, what percentag
would you give it for being a bust? I think
like five percent. I think these will make money. I
think what I've said before, though, what I could see
happening is the rise of Skywalker effect. We're sure you
made a billion, but you and maybe you last Jed
I too really split the fan base and heard it.
I could see these movies just being cameo AI slab well,
it could be a slap fucking Joe Russo said that
they use it for Electric State and it's like, oh,
it's ever a changing art, so you're probably can get
AI in this movie. So like to me, there's a
chance that it could be so bad that people do
almost check out on Marble like, yeah, you know what
I'm I'm now good in the future. I didn't need
to go back. Or it is they want that same
rush as Infinity War Endgame. They don't get it and
that's what's bad. It's chasing the dragon. But I still
think they will make money. It's what happens after that's
question quality. I'm literally a fifty to fifty. I know
everybody's answers always like, well, they've directed We're Soldier and
Civil War. I know they haven't missed with Marvel, but
they missed a lot of other places. And I've said too,
it's not just them. They're picking up a lot of
broken pieces right now. So I think it's a fifty
to fifty. I hope what I would like is like
I'm happy with a movie that's like an eight out
of ten, I'm pretty happy with that. Seven. To me
is that's too low for both these movies. I need
at least an eight. So I'm fifty percent on the
quality as far as me like kind of getting to
me being completely happy with it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, spatzer, Uh, Yeah, I think it's I think it's
very low chance it's not gonna do well financially. So
next to one hundred percent it's gonna do well financially,
I guess I can say. And then in terms of bust,
I think it's just the optimist in me. But like
I can't see this not being at least at least great, like, like,
at least at least an eight. I want to say
an eight point five, but like an eight feels low.
So yeah, I'm gonna say an eight point three five
at least.
Speaker 1: Gonna have this clip save for next I'm just.
Speaker 2: I'm just depressed. And yeah, four out of ten.
Speaker 1: Was one of those chairs.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm pretty optimistic with that. But we'll see, Taylor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, uh, financially, my percentage, I don't know
where I would rank a billion, like it was one
hundred percent. Like I think, I think it's gonna I
think it's gonna do great. It's gonna do very very
well money wise, but in terms of it quality wise, personally,
I think it's going to do well. But realistically, I
think that there is a chance, you know, that things
could kind of backfire. Like you guys already were highlighting
everything on this slate leading to this movie has been changed,
at least with the latter half of it because of
everything that was supposed to be going on with Kang,
and so for them to change it on the fly
and kind of adapted to the story, it could be
it could mean that it's very messy, or it could
mean that, hey, they managed to capitalize on it and
they turned it around and this made it their own.
It all depends on the flexibility of Figi and what
he's gonna be whipping out for this. So I'm I'm
I'm very optimistic though, and I'm very excited for it.
But it's just gonna be. I won't be surprised if
it does meet some I don't know.
Speaker 6: Some heat.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a little bit controver. Not everyone's loving
it meets some heat.
Speaker 1: So well, there you go Oley's Show and we'll be
back because you know, we've got lots of stuff. Comic
Con should be fun if they do this again. But yeah,
we're it's fun. We we talked about rumors also you
had Downy last year and the Russos. But I feel
like now we are on the road, like they're about
to start filming in the next couple of weeks. We're
officially on the road to uh Doomsday, and I think
it's gonna be. It's gonna be a fun time. Whether
or not, this movie's gonna be great. I promise you
every episode we do, especially the review, is gonna be
a good time. I think we're it's it's gonna lead
some good discussion and uh yeah, we'll see if they
can recapture the magic. It's just again with us going
into our ten year it's kind of funny, like we're
about hit ten years and here we are talking about
like the MC like can they recapture the magic? Like
when we started, we were on that road to endgame
in Findy War, right, like being so excited. We're now
a little trepidacious, but I think today helps. So we
will catch you next time and we'll be boring