Speaker 1: We're catching you and walking just fast where we saw
Speaker 1: the deer on the opposite side of the road. Something
Speaker 1: catches up my attention, sorry, blink is if that's what
Speaker 1: it made me realize it was a subject, something, a
Speaker 1: creature of some sort that was there. What this subject
Speaker 1: was doing was actually swaying back of war pretty fast.
Speaker 1: It had this pretty swift swaying movie. And I had
Speaker 1: no idea what the heck I was looking at, but
Speaker 1: I could tell you for a fact that this was
Speaker 1: not a bear. This is the Up the Creature's Podcast.
Speaker 1: I am Brian and with me as always my co
Speaker 1: host Todd.
Speaker 2: What's going on, buddy, We got a good show tonight.
Speaker 2: We got Daniel ben Wa coming on from the e C.
Speaker 1: B r O.
Speaker 2: Yeah, East Coast Bigfoot Researchers Organization.
Speaker 1: Yeh, I'm excited about that one.
Speaker 2: Daniel seeing a couple, had a couple of encounters in
Speaker 2: his lifetime and heard plenty and does his own Uh.
Speaker 2: I believe he's got a couple documentaries out there, maybe
Speaker 2: YouTube channel, and I think he does.
Speaker 1: And he's got a new one coming out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so have to be sure to check that out.
Speaker 2: But let's get him on and talk to him, see
Speaker 2: what he's got to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, let's get Daniel.
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on and talking to us tonight.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to
Speaker 1: be here. Yeah, we're glad you finally got on there
Speaker 1: with us. Daniel.
Speaker 3: We met you on social media and got to talk
Speaker 3: in and realize that you're part of or you actually
Speaker 3: started and have E C b r O. That's the
Speaker 3: East Coast Bigfoot Research Organization.
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yes? On a thing. You know, I've
Speaker 1: heard other people pronounce it, but I've always pronounced it
Speaker 1: researchers as in plural. A lot of people like to
Speaker 1: pronounce it just as like a researcher, but you know
Speaker 1: it's I make it plural because there's others that you
Speaker 1: associate with me and here locally and a few out
Speaker 1: of state, you.
Speaker 3: Know, so researchers organization got Yeah, So what was it
Speaker 3: that made you start that?
Speaker 1: Well, basically, I was very solo independent when I first
Speaker 1: got involved. You know, I didn't know anybody. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that there was others involved with the whole Bigfoot phenomenon,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I was getting involved before I
Speaker 1: jumped on social media and you know, just things were
Speaker 1: starting to light up, you know, you know, because everybody's
Speaker 1: familiar with Roger Pattison, Bob gimml the footage, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's been around for years. And I'll be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I believe you know, as I tell people,
Speaker 1: that's basically what did it for me. It's kind of, uh,
Speaker 1: sparked that curiosity and put that excitement in me that
Speaker 1: grew into a passion, you know. So you know, ever
Speaker 1: since seeing that, and then you know, then there was
Speaker 1: documentaries on that later on. You know, they've been till
Speaker 1: this day, they've been trying to bump that, you know.
Speaker 1: So I just found that to be very fascinating. It's
Speaker 1: basically captivated me. It draw me it well, I say it,
Speaker 1: it pulled me in. And because you know, long before that,
Speaker 1: you know, Bigfoot wasn't really nothing that was on my mind.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about Bigfoot. Although I grew up in
Speaker 1: the woods, I was familiar with nature, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 1: as far as getting involved with Bigfoot and watching the
Speaker 1: different shows that come on and finding Bigfoot, you know,
Speaker 1: which was a lot of fun and now we got expedition,
Speaker 1: but you know, so yeah, it just you know, I
Speaker 1: started doing a lot of exploring and really doing a
Speaker 1: lot of in depth research. You know, my senses were
Speaker 1: more alert and more heightened, you know, where I was
Speaker 1: starting to pay attention to nature a little bit better,
Speaker 1: you know, and my surroundings, you know. And then as
Speaker 1: far as taking off from there, I started getting on
Speaker 1: social media. I learned about Facebook, and you know, well
Speaker 1: before Facebook, I believe my Space came around. There was
Speaker 1: my Space, and then I jumped to Facebook, and and
Speaker 1: then I started playing around learning how to use social media,
Speaker 1: and I was discovering, Wow, there's all these other Bigfoot
Speaker 1: groups and communities. And I started watching and listening, and
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't really interact too much. I was
Speaker 1: more or less like the student in the back of
Speaker 1: the room that was just sitting back and listening and observing,
Speaker 1: you know, taking notice of all these different fair is.
Speaker 1: It started to flood social media, and I didn't dismiss
Speaker 1: anyone because I didn't know, honestly too much about the
Speaker 1: subject itself. So I started taking notes and I started
Speaker 1: looking into things on my own. Then I took it
Speaker 1: upon myself to do my own independent research and studies
Speaker 1: both in and out of the field. My main focus
Speaker 1: was on the wildlife, but I wanted to find something
Speaker 1: that closely resembled Bigfoot, especially with all their reported activities
Speaker 1: that we hear about or may have even experienced, all
Speaker 1: the way down to the vocalizations. I wanted to find
Speaker 1: a species that existed, that we know that existed, that
Speaker 1: I could start comparing to. You know, so I discovered one,
Speaker 1: and I chose one. And to be more specific as
Speaker 1: far as our our non human primates chimpanzees, gorillas, baboons
Speaker 1: and so forth, you know, orangutans. I started reading into
Speaker 1: these and are looking into how they act and behave,
Speaker 1: learning and reading on different uh, you know, some of
Speaker 1: the research and the notes from primatologists and what they
Speaker 1: know and what what was observed from these primates, And
Speaker 1: in my studies, I've actually come to find that there
Speaker 1: was so many similarities within what you know, their behaviors,
Speaker 1: things that people are in our own neck of the woods.
Speaker 1: Are you know, giving Bigfoot credit for well, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of the a lot of our findings, you know,
Speaker 1: they're basically could be logically explained. But then on the
Speaker 1: other hand, some of these findings that you're scratching your
Speaker 1: head and making you think, WHOA, wait a minute, there's
Speaker 1: something to this. So but long story short, I was
Speaker 1: doing cross comparisons with our non human primates and what bigfoots,
Speaker 1: you know, what people are giving Bigfoot credit for, and
Speaker 1: that they're started to draw my own conclusions of what
Speaker 1: Bigfoot might be. So but then again, as I developed
Speaker 1: on social media, you know, started presenting some of my
Speaker 1: basic little research here and there, I started picking up
Speaker 1: on you know, friends and other people that were interested
Speaker 1: in hearing what I had to say, and it kind
Speaker 1: of drew grew from there. It kind of started growing
Speaker 1: and developing from there, and so I started looking for
Speaker 1: other people so to participate with me or you know,
Speaker 1: associate with me, because you know, we all learn from
Speaker 1: each other. You know, I don't have the answers or
Speaker 1: all the answers or I mean, because I don't have
Speaker 1: answers at all except for my honest conclusions and my
Speaker 1: honest beliefs behind the subject. But yet there's still a
Speaker 1: lot we could learn from one another. So that's where
Speaker 1: I took it upon myself to start trying to gather
Speaker 1: people you know, so cool. Yeah, sorry if I'm rambling
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 3: No, you're fine.
Speaker 1: You're fine, all right, that's what we want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we want you guys to talking. We're just here
Speaker 3: to listen.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe ask some questions on occasion, not a problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sometimes I ramble and I just keep going on. You'll
Speaker 1: hear me be very random. You'll hear me talk from
Speaker 1: one thing, jump to another and go back and forth.
Speaker 1: So just give your heads up. I try to give
Speaker 1: people heads up when I do these, when I do
Speaker 1: public presentations, because you know, I know sometimes people find
Speaker 1: it horror follow me because I'll start on something, you'll
Speaker 1: hear me merge something else, and then I'll come back
Speaker 1: to it to explain why I was talking about that.
Speaker 3: Have you had an encounter before, Daniel.
Speaker 1: Yes, honestly, I actually had a couple of different encounters.
Speaker 1: One was more of a visual, the other was not
Speaker 1: a visual. However, twenty fourteen was actually the first time
Speaker 1: I've ever had any visual encounter. And for the record,
Speaker 1: I was not alone when this happened. There were six
Speaker 1: of us total. This was actually during a camping event.
Speaker 1: May third, or twenty fourteen, is the date that this
Speaker 1: event took place. To give you a little run back
Speaker 1: earlier that day, me and the crew. We had actually
Speaker 1: did a lot of daytime exploring up behind camp. And yeah,
Speaker 1: we were up behind camp. We we did some good
Speaker 1: you know hiking exploring. Yeah, we found a few interesting
Speaker 1: things here and there. A couple of guys I didn't
Speaker 1: get to see it. This part of us kind of
Speaker 1: split off. A couple of guys plan to have found
Speaker 1: a couple tracks down in a wash out, washed out creek,
Speaker 1: and I would have loved to see that because that's
Speaker 1: actually where I love the look for tracks, by the way, uh,
Speaker 1: anywhere where the dirt is well exposed, where it may
Speaker 1: be soft enough with something, but really you pick up
Speaker 1: the details or show details. So yeah, after a day
Speaker 1: of you know, exploring and everything, coming back to camp,
Speaker 1: everybody relaxed, rest, you know, we grabbed the bike eat.
Speaker 1: We had planned to go out that evening because you know,
Speaker 1: everybody likes a good night height, you know, when it
Speaker 1: comes to big footing. So that's what we did. We
Speaker 1: set out on a foot. Now in the area where
Speaker 1: we camp at, there is a lake in the area.
Speaker 1: Actually there's two, the other ones a couple of miles
Speaker 1: away from the one lake that was close to us.
Speaker 1: So from where our camp was to the lake. It
Speaker 1: was approximately maybe a mile all right, So we had
Speaker 1: made foot down to the lake and it was perfect
Speaker 1: because usually there's people down there parked over there, you know,
Speaker 1: spread out around the lake fishing. Well. To my surprise,
Speaker 1: there was nobody there, which was perfect, so we could
Speaker 1: do what we wanted to do without being disturbed or whatever.
Speaker 1: So now keep in mind, by the time we got
Speaker 1: to the lake, the sun was already gone down, and
Speaker 1: so I mean we still had a little bit of daylight,
Speaker 1: even though we came prepared for the night, and so
Speaker 1: we paired up in twos. We spread out around the lake. Now,
Speaker 1: we had a couple that came down all the way
Speaker 1: from Vermont and Keimmy and Darren there were older so
Speaker 1: you know, we kept them at the beginning of the lake.
Speaker 1: There was like a little peninsula with a little bench there,
Speaker 1: so you know, there was no sense of walking on
Speaker 1: the backside of the lake. But yeah, so the rest
Speaker 1: of us, we you know, it was my buddy Tracy
Speaker 1: Allen and his son, and then there was me and
Speaker 1: Cliff Stanley. So yeah, like I said, we went further down,
Speaker 1: spread apart, and we all had radio communication and for
Speaker 1: the record around the lake. There is these little square
Speaker 1: docs or piers or whatever. They're handicapped accessible. So what
Speaker 1: we did. We yeah, we all got on these you know,
Speaker 1: spread out on these little piers or docks whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: we're listening. We got me and Tracy, we both had
Speaker 1: parabog mics and so yeah, we're listening. Yeah, we're hearing
Speaker 1: a few things up behind us. There's a ridge up
Speaker 1: behind us. You know, you're hearing some limb snap, what
Speaker 1: sounds like some kind of movement or walking, but it
Speaker 1: was very distant from what I was hearing. It was distant.
Speaker 1: It didn't sound too close, but you know that timeline.
Speaker 1: It could be dear, it could be bear. Whatever. So anyway,
Speaker 1: while we were set up there, I radio down to Kimmy.
Speaker 1: Now I have to say this. I share this, and
Speaker 1: I'm proud to say that anyone who is familiar with
Speaker 1: the vocalization that Bobo from Finding Bigfoot does. Kimmy, she's
Speaker 1: a little lady. But I'm gonna tell you I've heard
Speaker 1: her vocals numerous times, and I was like, this was
Speaker 1: the perfect place to hear a vocal because you got
Speaker 1: the lake and you got these two mountain ridges. Surrounding you.
Speaker 1: So and then you know, any vocalization's going to bounce
Speaker 1: off these ridges and it's going to be heard from
Speaker 1: a good distance. So I radio down to Kimmy. I said, Kimmy,
Speaker 1: all right, you know everyone's hearing me as I'm contacting Kimmy.
Speaker 1: I said, all right, everybody, Kimmy, we want you to
Speaker 1: do your vocal. And as soon as Kimmy's done, everybody
Speaker 1: let's was silent, And so Kimmy gave off her bobo
Speaker 1: vocal and after that we all remained silent and we listened.
Speaker 1: Now for the record, keep in mind that me and Tracy,
Speaker 1: Tracy was a little he was down I'll call it.
Speaker 1: He's in the middle between me and Kimmy. Kimmy's way
Speaker 1: down at the entrance of the lake and I'm up
Speaker 1: on the upper end and Tracy and the sun were
Speaker 1: in the middle. So, after about a good ten seconds
Speaker 1: or so, we ended up getting a response. And it
Speaker 1: was not it was not a echo, because echo welred
Speaker 1: have heard that immediately. This was a good ten seconds
Speaker 1: or so, and the vocal you could tell you could
Speaker 1: hear there was a little distance. It sounded like it
Speaker 1: was coming over to the other bridge that was across
Speaker 1: from us. So we just found that fascinating that we
Speaker 1: got a response from Kimmy's vocalization. So so after some
Speaker 1: time was fastened by, we weren't hearing nothing, we weren't
Speaker 1: getting no activity. We figured it was late, it's time
Speaker 1: to rig group and head back to camp. So that's
Speaker 1: what we did. We all met back up, regrouped that
Speaker 1: where Kimmy and Darren were, and we set back on
Speaker 1: foot the head back to camp. And now we're walking
Speaker 1: out of the lake. It's all gravel all keeping my
Speaker 1: most or majority of the forest road in the national
Speaker 1: forest where we were, it's all gravel. There's some parts
Speaker 1: of it depends on the direction you go. It is paved. However,
Speaker 1: we were walking up the gravel road and we were
Speaker 1: headed out to the main forest road. And as we're
Speaker 1: walking up, we're in a single fire line. I'm in
Speaker 1: I'm basically up ahead in the lead, and then follow
Speaker 1: me was Tracy Cliff and the Kimmy and Darren. So
Speaker 1: we were walking along and we're all talking. We're all
Speaker 1: talking in normal tone. We're not trying to remain silent.
Speaker 1: We're not you know, our goal it was just to
Speaker 1: get back to camp, you know, because it was late.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't really feel tired of nothing. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so we started noticing, Oh, there's deer on the side
Speaker 1: of the road. It was like nonchalantly walking. Now it
Speaker 1: was so dark because of the headlands we had on.
Speaker 1: It's weird how you could just notice your eyes shine.
Speaker 1: Just bobbed along, and I guess they were just within
Speaker 1: that range of light. I don't know, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it was a deer. It was just kind of bobbing,
Speaker 1: you know, had the bluish marble eyes, just bobbing along.
Speaker 1: Then went further away into the darkness. Funny thing is
Speaker 1: most of the deer around there usually you know, they
Speaker 1: get scared, they're very skittish. But it's like this deer
Speaker 1: was I don't know what the deal was, but it
Speaker 1: was acting like it was not scared of us or whatever.
Speaker 1: It didn't act freaked out. It was just nonchalantly taking
Speaker 1: his time on the side of the road and then
Speaker 1: went into the woods. So, you know, I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting. You know, I mean, I've been close to
Speaker 1: the deer before, put up on the parkway, because up
Speaker 1: on the Parkway that runs on skyline drive of here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the deer they know they're safe up there. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can get close to the deer all day long
Speaker 1: up there, almost touch them. They got because there's no
Speaker 1: hunting allowed up there. So anyway, after seeing this deer,
Speaker 1: you know, which was cool. You know, we saw a
Speaker 1: little something, you know, some wildlife. But we're catching and
Speaker 1: walking and just past where we saw the deer, on
Speaker 1: the opposite side of the road, something catches my attention
Speaker 1: and I'm looking to something and I don't know my
Speaker 1: I got my head lamp, but I'm trying to adjust it.
Speaker 1: It's whatever I'm looking at down to my left, probably
Speaker 1: a good thirty feet maybe something's reflecting. I thought it,
Speaker 1: you know, immediately, one of the first initial thoughts was
Speaker 1: at first, before I saw it blink, because that's what
Speaker 1: maybe really it was a subject, something, a creature of
Speaker 1: some sort that was there. But at first I was
Speaker 1: trying to get focused because I couldn't tell that it
Speaker 1: was ies. I mean, right away, I thought it was
Speaker 1: one of these little yellow reflector signs that sometimes you
Speaker 1: see in random places in the national forest. Sometimes I say,
Speaker 1: no motor vehicles beyond this point. But I was thinking,
Speaker 1: this is an odd place that have something like that.
Speaker 1: There's no way a vehicles would drive off over there.
Speaker 1: But then as I noticed, like I said, when I
Speaker 1: saw it, it blinked and opened up. I realized again
Speaker 1: it was a creature my words. When I called Tracy
Speaker 1: was right behind, I said, Tracy, I pointed right out.
Speaker 1: He saw it too, And because it looked low, my
Speaker 1: first thoughts were, was that a mountain line? Excuse my language,
Speaker 1: I use other words at the time, but because I
Speaker 1: was like starting to like kind of freak out, because
Speaker 1: mountainline was the first thought that popped in my head.
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, as we're looking at it,
Speaker 1: it kind of looked like it zipped away, like it disappeared.
Speaker 1: So traces like, guys, come on, come up here. We
Speaker 1: got eye shine up here. So we all get up
Speaker 1: into that position where we saw it, and we're all
Speaker 1: standing there. We're looking directly into the woods, and our
Speaker 1: headlamps are shining in. They're pretty good, and it's real
Speaker 1: dark in there, but you could see some of the
Speaker 1: trees and some of the bushes, and but whatever was there,
Speaker 1: we saw it again. But keep in mind, for the record,
Speaker 1: there was nothing about eye shine. We could not make
Speaker 1: out any physical features, you know, no details, nothing whatsoever.
Speaker 1: We're just seeing a set of large, yellowish looking eye shine.
Speaker 1: And yes, it was yellowish. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people describe like an amber reddish color, but these colors
Speaker 1: were like a large yellowish color, almost like the color
Speaker 1: of this shirt. But yeah, they were blowing pretty good
Speaker 1: based off the you know, the reflection off of our headlamps.
Speaker 1: And what this was doing was actually swaying back and
Speaker 1: forth pretty fast. It had this pretty swift swaying motion.
Speaker 1: And I had no idea what the heck I was
Speaker 1: looking at. But I could tell you for a fact,
Speaker 1: I knew that this was not a bear because bear.
Speaker 1: If that was a bear, I would have seen red eyeshine.
Speaker 1: Bears have that red eyes shine, especially off of refleshing.
Speaker 1: Every bear I've ever seen at night had red eyes,
Speaker 1: you know, from off the either the headlights of the
Speaker 1: vehicle or my flashlight. But this here was something different.
Speaker 1: I knew it was different, but then at the same time,
Speaker 1: I had no clue what it was. So we're observing
Speaker 1: this subject. Keep in mind, it's a good Another thirty
Speaker 1: forty feet from the edge of the fourth or where
Speaker 1: we were standing and were it was kind of exciting
Speaker 1: but very mysterious as a swaying side to sign. But
Speaker 1: then it got a little bit more interesting because another
Speaker 1: set of eyeshine showed up just about five maybe four
Speaker 1: or five feet to the right of it. For this time,
Speaker 1: this side of eyeeshine was much taller. And before I
Speaker 1: go in on any further, I have to make this
Speaker 1: clear that from where we were standing, the side of
Speaker 1: the road sloped down several feet then leveled back out.
Speaker 1: So yes, we are looking down at what we're looking
Speaker 1: at now. The other one that's about six foot tall
Speaker 1: is what we estimated, So we got a four foot subject.
Speaker 1: You'll hear me call them subjects, because like I said,
Speaker 1: I had no idea what these are. So we're looking
Speaker 1: at two subjects, the small ones still swaying side to side.
Speaker 1: And now we got this other one that's around six
Speaker 1: foot tall, same color eyeshine, same reflection, and you can
Speaker 1: notice it blinked its size on a few occasions. And
Speaker 1: now we got two subjects we're trying to make out.
Speaker 1: We're still trying to make out what they are. We're
Speaker 1: not not seeing no features, no details whatsoever. You know,
Speaker 1: like I said, it was just kind of odd. But
Speaker 1: after observing these two right here, I'm looking over I'm
Speaker 1: just scanning the you know, the best I can. Keep
Speaker 1: in mind, we got some of us had some bright
Speaker 1: headlights headlight lamp sign But I'm looking over there through
Speaker 1: the bushes and I'm looking over, looking around and seeing
Speaker 1: if there's something else around. Because whatever we're looking at,
Speaker 1: we don't know what they are. It's not making sense.
Speaker 1: But then through the bushes, very low, I see another
Speaker 1: set of eye shine and I pointed there that I
Speaker 1: pointed that out. And I don't know if Tracy was
Speaker 1: the next one to see that one with me, but everybody, sorry,
Speaker 1: after I got all the way up, well and let
Speaker 1: me back up, because like I said, it started very low,
Speaker 1: and I kept my eyes on that one because there
Speaker 1: was like I didn't know what that could have been.
Speaker 1: But I noticed it started raising up. It started getting
Speaker 1: taller and taller and taller. And then when it stopped
Speaker 1: looking at the other ones, this one was towering over
Speaker 1: top of the six foot one easily by two feet.
Speaker 1: Now it's starting to get a little interesting here because
Speaker 1: now we got three sets of eye shine at three
Speaker 1: different levels. We got a four foot, we got a
Speaker 1: six foot. Now we're estimating this one to be around
Speaker 1: eight feet tall. Okay, what's in the woods that's eight
Speaker 1: feet tall? You know, Again, these were not bears. So
Speaker 1: now the thought of bigfoot is starting to kind of
Speaker 1: flood through my mind a little bit here, But I
Speaker 1: wasn't saying nothing. Tracy Arnold was the first one to
Speaker 1: say anything about squatches. He's like, guys, we got squatches,
Speaker 1: And at that point I wanted to believe that, but
Speaker 1: I needed to see something more, you know, because small
Speaker 1: ones still swaying side to side. It slowed down a
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's still swaying. The other one was still,
Speaker 1: you know, occasionally blinking his eyes. This one here, it
Speaker 1: was just standing there. I noticed it blinked his eyes
Speaker 1: once or twice. But then at one point, the tallest
Speaker 1: one made this left turn maneuver. It turned to the
Speaker 1: left and it appeared to make a step or two
Speaker 1: and then turned back around. Now, when it made this maneuver,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the angle position of
Speaker 1: what it was with the light, but we were able
Speaker 1: to make out a silhouette of wide, broad shoulders in
Speaker 1: a big round head sitting on top. I saw that.
Speaker 1: Tracy saw that. I know. Kimmy. I've talked to her
Speaker 1: since this. She said she saw that too. So now,
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as the eye shine, everyone's seeing
Speaker 1: everything as far as eye shine. But that silhouette and
Speaker 1: that shape that I saw, Like I said, I know,
Speaker 1: at least Tracy and Kimmy saw that. I know that much.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the others, but I'll never forget
Speaker 1: that and seeing that, and I'm actually convinced that what
Speaker 1: we saw was free squatches. I want to believe that
Speaker 1: there were possibly a family unit. I get asked that
Speaker 1: a lot about family units, clans, groups. I mean, based
Speaker 1: off of this one observation, that's where I tell people.
Speaker 1: I share this, and I tell people as well. I'm
Speaker 1: convinced that they were squatches. I mean, what else has wide,
Speaker 1: broad shoulders, eight feet tall, big roundhead, you know, and
Speaker 1: then you know just where they're located, because I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting vocals in activity, big powerful tree
Speaker 1: knocks from this area. Some of these things happened later on,
Speaker 1: you know, since then where others got the experience that
Speaker 1: with me? Because there's actually a campsite right around the corner.
Speaker 1: From there, I started camping in this spot more often
Speaker 1: in hopes of experiencing more or hearing more, which it
Speaker 1: has been very productive hanging out in those areas. But
Speaker 1: here's there's more interesting stuff about this. It's actually more disappointing,
Speaker 1: but it's still interesting. So after our observation of what
Speaker 1: we were seeing, all three of them basically turned off
Speaker 1: and went off further into the darkness. And I believe
Speaker 1: we didn't see the details like I would have loved
Speaker 1: to have seen. One. I think they were they had
Speaker 1: black hair. Two they were blending in with the darkness.
Speaker 1: It's the only thing I could think of. As Some
Speaker 1: believe that they could have been cloaking. If that's the case,
Speaker 1: I don't see if they were cloaking. For the record,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't agree with cloaking, but there's other
Speaker 1: things I'll agree on along the way in between. But
Speaker 1: I think if they were cloaking, I don't think we
Speaker 1: would have even seen the eye shine or that you know,
Speaker 1: that dark Shillowett. But yeah, for the record, here's the
Speaker 1: disappointed part. We made our way back to camp. We
Speaker 1: didn't see no more. Uh. We started walking back to
Speaker 1: camp we got back to camp and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we took our gear off and we started we had,
Speaker 1: you know, started up a fire and just we're just
Speaker 1: shooting the ship, you know, just talking nonchalant and trying
Speaker 1: to debunk this. I was like, you know, I was like, guys,
Speaker 1: you know I want you know, I mean, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, I was convinced. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: there was a part of me that was like, I'm
Speaker 1: running every thought of every known species that I know
Speaker 1: that exists in these woods, and we're trying to debunk this.
Speaker 1: And uh, and here's another thing too, me and Tracy Arnold,
Speaker 1: and in each of our backpacks, we each had our
Speaker 1: own night vision binocular and not once during this whole, uh,
Speaker 1: this whole incident that we think about, or the thought
Speaker 1: of across our minds to pull our night vision out
Speaker 1: to get a better observation of what we were seeing
Speaker 1: and experiencing. So, yeah, we were kicking ourselves with the butt.
Speaker 1: I felt like, I mean, I was kind of mad
Speaker 1: at myself that I never thought of it again. Both
Speaker 1: of our devices, they weren't the most expensive devices, but
Speaker 1: they weren't great, especially at the distance that we were
Speaker 1: observing them. We were to guy a great view of them.
Speaker 1: You know, they were within thirty to forty feet you
Speaker 1: know from where we were standing, at least that's what
Speaker 1: I estimated that could have been. Maybe it was a
Speaker 1: little further, but yeah, so, yeah, we were both kicking
Speaker 1: ourselves in the butt. You know. Not once did anyone mention, hey,
Speaker 1: bring your bring your night vision out, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it never worked out for us to do that, but
Speaker 1: we did go back to that spot the next day
Speaker 1: and we tried to confirm our height estimate. We had
Speaker 1: a couple a couple of us stayed on the road,
Speaker 1: I know, me and the other guy that was with
Speaker 1: was Cliff Stanley. He's I'm six foot tall, he's probably
Speaker 1: about six three. He's just a little taller than I am.
Speaker 1: So we got behind the bushes where we seen the
Speaker 1: talls one and basically with me raising my hands straight up,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I believe Tracy was up on
Speaker 1: the road. He said, yeah, that's about with eyeshine was
Speaker 1: you know, so our heighth estimate, you know, was pretty accurate.
Speaker 1: So but we were looking around in the area behind
Speaker 1: the bushes where you know, around the trees. We were
Speaker 1: trying to look for tracks. We were trying to look
Speaker 1: for something, but it was a little difficult because that
Speaker 1: ground it was kind of grassy and lumpy and very uneven.
Speaker 1: So to find anything decent as far as tracks in
Speaker 1: that general area, it was hard to really pick anything out.
Speaker 1: There was some impressions, but that could have been the
Speaker 1: uneven ground too, you know. But yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen encounter skipp into. A year later, I I
Speaker 1: had another experience just in the same section of woods,
Speaker 1: but just around a corner. Now, unfortunately I didn't see anything,
Speaker 1: but what I heard let me I guess I'll back
Speaker 1: up a little bit on the story what led up
Speaker 1: to it. It was during the hunting season, and during
Speaker 1: the hunting seasons out there, I always try to camp
Speaker 1: out there as much as I can during a hunting
Speaker 1: season if it works out. So this one particular area,
Speaker 1: keep in mind, right outside the entrance of the lake,
Speaker 1: there's a big camp spot, and then just through the
Speaker 1: woods a little way there's another spot a little smaller,
Speaker 1: and I was set up in that spot right there,
Speaker 1: and probably between nine thirty ten o'clock at night, I
Speaker 1: was sitting there at camp. I had the fire going,
Speaker 1: had my shotgun leaning against my vehicle, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was sitting there. I was kind of bored. I
Speaker 1: was wide to wait, you know, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I grabbed my spotlight decided to walk out to the
Speaker 1: middle of the road. Now keep in mind, I didn't
Speaker 1: not have my spotlight on until I got into the
Speaker 1: middle of the road. I know there was nobody else camping,
Speaker 1: nobody else in the area. But as soon as I
Speaker 1: got in the road, before I turned it on, I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I looked up them down like this,
Speaker 1: you know, even though you can't see nothing, it's dark.
Speaker 1: The only light I had was in my hand that
Speaker 1: I didn't turn on yet. But when I did turn
Speaker 1: it on, over to my left. Immediately as soon as
Speaker 1: I started shining in the tree line, you could hear
Speaker 1: a deer run off. You know, there's deer all through
Speaker 1: these woods over here. And but I didn't see the deer,
Speaker 1: but you could hear the four you know, the four
Speaker 1: legs run off, you know. So I'm trying over there.
Speaker 1: It's oh cool. I kicked up a deer. And sometimes
Speaker 1: a deer I've seen them. They'll come from where I'm
Speaker 1: camping at they'll come through the woods and run across
Speaker 1: over there. For some reason, they love going over there
Speaker 1: in the evening. It's like a bedding ground. There's a
Speaker 1: there's a streaming creek that run through there. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: they hang out there. They feed in there and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And I believe some of them been down and there.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so as I was shining the spotlight after
Speaker 1: hearing deer run off, I'm shining them, you know, the light,
Speaker 1: panting it to my right. And as I come across
Speaker 1: around the one the two o'clock position, and I stopped,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, what I heard next was
Speaker 1: something very large and very pipe. You know, it was bipedal,
Speaker 1: but it was very large and very heavy. It was walking.
Speaker 1: You could hear every step, every step whatever it was
Speaker 1: step on, and you could hear a crack and a thump.
Speaker 1: You know. It was so large and so heavy. It
Speaker 1: was like a I don't know. The best way I
Speaker 1: described it most of the time is like a like
Speaker 1: a I don't know. I don't want to use sound effects,
Speaker 1: but I'll just say it's a loud, you know, crunch
Speaker 1: and a thump. You know. So I've used sound effects before,
Speaker 1: to trying to describe it, but I sound stupid doing it.
Speaker 1: But so I mean, now, for the record, from where
Speaker 1: I was standing to the edge of the tree line
Speaker 1: was a good twenty feet so whatever that was over
Speaker 1: there was just beyond the tree line somewhere. And I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I'm listening to these steps. You
Speaker 1: can hear crunch, crunch, crunch. It wasn't slow, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't fast either. And when I was hearing this, I
Speaker 1: was like, my heart started thumping pretty hard, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you get that feeling, like you know the
Speaker 1: expression my heart was in my throat. That's the adrenaline
Speaker 1: of the heartbeat I was feeling. It was like you
Speaker 1: can feel all the way up here. And I was
Speaker 1: actually like I was kind of freaking out a little
Speaker 1: bit because I was like, I'm by myself, I'm unarmed,
Speaker 1: So I'm actually literally starting to walk backwards and with
Speaker 1: my free hand, I'm reaching down on my belt loop
Speaker 1: and make sure my vehicle was unlocked, because the thought
Speaker 1: was like if I had to get out here, you know,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. I was just freaking out. But I
Speaker 1: got back to camp. I made the fire. The fire
Speaker 1: was still going. I fewed like another log or two
Speaker 1: on it, and instantly I gotually, instantly calmed down, and
Speaker 1: then I started thinking about what I just heard. That
Speaker 1: was very large, that was heavy, and you could hear
Speaker 1: only two feet you could hear a set of feet
Speaker 1: bipedal steps. This was no quadruped, This was no begger. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's big bears out there. I've seen them. I found
Speaker 1: their track. Some people don't believe that we be the
Speaker 1: size bears we get here in Virginia. But but for
Speaker 1: the record, I could promise you this was not a bear.
Speaker 1: You know. I got to thinking about this, so yes,
Speaker 1: I meant a lot of the activity. I mean, the
Speaker 1: encounter of the year before happened just around the corner
Speaker 1: over here. I have found nice sized track impressions in
Speaker 1: this area across from the camp. Vocalizations, big powerful tree
Speaker 1: knocks late at night. The different screams you know that
Speaker 1: I you know, as far as screams and vocals, these
Speaker 1: are sounds and vocals that I cannot match up or
Speaker 1: compare to it known species. I mean, I've heard all
Speaker 1: the different No, I've heard tons of owls. I heard
Speaker 1: the coyotes, I've heard foxes, screaming bark. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: all these different vocals of various species I'm very well
Speaker 1: familiar with. But as far as everything that I've experienced
Speaker 1: what I've referred to as the unknown, it's come from
Speaker 1: this general area. Yes, there's other areas I've maybe heard
Speaker 1: or picked up on some other things. I've heard the
Speaker 1: reports a couple of miles up the other end of
Speaker 1: the forest road from people that I've actually seen them
Speaker 1: across the road. But hearing something very large and heavy
Speaker 1: bi Beutle, I mean, yes, I didn't have to see
Speaker 1: something to believe that know what it was, especially based
Speaker 1: off of my previous experience. So yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: when I sat down and calmed down and thought about
Speaker 1: what I heard, here's a couple of things. One, it
Speaker 1: was going away from me. It wasn't coming towards me,
Speaker 1: so that you know, that's one observation from what I heard.
Speaker 1: You know, listen to what it was, how it was
Speaker 1: stepping in the direction it was going. Two, just prior
Speaker 1: to hearing that, I spooked up a deer that was
Speaker 1: in the tree line just over to the left. Then
Speaker 1: I back up and think about the twenty fourteen encounter
Speaker 1: just prior to having this encounter. Remember how I mentioned
Speaker 1: it was a deer right there. It was just nonchalantly
Speaker 1: walking down the forest road. I often think about these
Speaker 1: two incidents. Was that a coincidence that there was a
Speaker 1: deer involved with each situation because or did I actually
Speaker 1: interrupt something? Did I come in between a possible neal?
Speaker 1: You know, I like to believe that they do eat deer.
Speaker 1: A lot of people believe that it's a you know,
Speaker 1: good source of protein. It's a healthy meat, you know.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's something I think about often. You know,
Speaker 1: that I possibly interrupted their hunt, you know, thank god
Speaker 1: if that was a case, they didn't get, you know,
Speaker 1: pete off and come after me, you know. So, but
Speaker 1: those are two of the most exciting experiences I've had.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had other little things happen here and there.
Speaker 1: I mean, hearing different vocals here in tree knocks. I've
Speaker 1: had a rock throne at me one time, but in
Speaker 1: a whole different area, still part of the national forest.
Speaker 1: But that was another incident. But yeah, it's been quite
Speaker 1: an interest, very interesting, you know, because you know, I
Speaker 1: love even if I go out there and don't experience
Speaker 1: anything that I would relate or associate the bigfoot man.
Speaker 1: I love being out there because, you know, here in
Speaker 1: a different wildlife, it's exciting to hear them, knowing that
Speaker 1: they're you know, nearby, you know. True. I've had the
Speaker 1: sound of a rabbit being taken by our predator right
Speaker 1: behind my camp. You can hear that rabbit squeal squam,
Speaker 1: and it was like, that's cool, but poor rabbit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like natural geographic out there sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just the coolest things ever. You know.
Speaker 1: I love wildlife. I love nature. So but yeah, that
Speaker 1: was that was those incidents right there.
Speaker 3: Were you close enough to notice any kind of smell
Speaker 3: with these things, Daniel, when you when you were encountering
Speaker 3: these things on either occasion or.
Speaker 1: You know, surprisingly, I honestly I didn't. I don't think
Speaker 1: no one else mentioned anything. I did not claim to
Speaker 1: snail anything during these situations whatsoever. It's from what I recall,
Speaker 1: the air was just naturally, you know, scentered with the forest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's nothing else that stood out as far as smell
Speaker 1: or any kind of sense out there. I know some
Speaker 1: people have experienced that, and and I don't know, I've
Speaker 1: often thought on that I said, Well, a lot of people.
Speaker 1: You hear people's stories and encounters. Yeah, you know prior,
Speaker 1: you know, just prior to have the encounter. They smell
Speaker 1: this as what some people may describe like a wet
Speaker 1: dog smell to uh maybe a combination of feces combined.
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard different things, but yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: say I've ever smelled anything, especially during these encounters. But
Speaker 1: and the other thing is I wonder if it it
Speaker 1: depends on the area that they may be dwelling in,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean after anything like us or even
Speaker 1: another non human primate. You know, one primates give off
Speaker 1: they have glands where they do give off different uh
Speaker 1: sense and stuff. You know, as far as body odor, man,
Speaker 1: human body odor is awful. So you would almost think
Speaker 1: that you would smell something from them. You know, we'll
Speaker 1: get a whiff of something. You think. You would think
Speaker 1: that their body over and would be very potent, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot stronger than ours because if you have if
Speaker 1: you're within a couple of feet from another person that
Speaker 1: has bad body order, you're gonna definitely smell it maybe
Speaker 1: five feet away or so. Yeah, it depends if you're
Speaker 1: if the way, if you're outside and the winds blowing,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my goodness. You know, you can almost
Speaker 1: tell for where it's coming from, you know. But no,
Speaker 1: I never experienced any bad smells during these events. So
Speaker 1: I think on one rare occasion walking through the woods,
Speaker 1: sometimes I do take notice of different smells as I'm exploring.
Speaker 1: I've had the scent of things that smell rotten. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean you can smell dead animals out in the woods. Actually,
Speaker 1: one of the last times me and Jessica were out
Speaker 1: there exploring, we were exploring in that same area with
Speaker 1: these where these took place at We knew there was
Speaker 1: a dead animal and the smell were we were actually
Speaker 1: trying to locate it, like, that's a dead animal out here.
Speaker 1: It's a hasn't been dead that long, but it's strong
Speaker 1: enough where you can smell it. We never did find it.
Speaker 1: Most likely it was probably a dead deer, you know,
Speaker 1: that a coyote or maybe a big foot took down.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was interesting. Yeah, I like exploring through
Speaker 1: the air during the day because you never know what
Speaker 1: you might find. We did get, how that at a
Speaker 1: very close range from coyotes. We never saw the coyotes,
Speaker 1: but we were on the other side of this creek.
Speaker 1: We were looking at a couple different tree shrucs the
Speaker 1: tree breaks, and we did hear like a like a
Speaker 1: distant off what sounded like a possible tree knock up
Speaker 1: on the higher ridge above us. And then as soon
Speaker 1: as we turn around and start walking through this like
Speaker 1: we're in the woods, but there's another later tree lines
Speaker 1: over this little embankment. We started walking towards it, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, coyotes started howling of what you know.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I said, just get
Speaker 1: behind me, and I like, don't move. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I didn't know if it was
Speaker 1: going to come out at us. You know, I've heardotes
Speaker 1: attack people before. I don't know how common it is,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how many it was. But all
Speaker 1: I know is I had my nine milimeter with seventeen rounds,
Speaker 1: so you know, if I had to, I mean, I
Speaker 1: had enough to take out a cane, a small caneine,
Speaker 1: you know, but a coyotes can be very vicious from
Speaker 1: what I understand. Yeah, So, but that was actually interesting
Speaker 1: little thing that took place here, you know, like hearing
Speaker 1: the tree knock then a coyote howling at us, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, especially during the daytime. This
Speaker 1: was probably around maybe noontime, one o'clock maybe, but yeah,
Speaker 1: most of the time you hear coyotes are at night,
Speaker 1: you know. But I don't know. Maybe it was doing
Speaker 1: is mid I don't know. I don't know what it
Speaker 1: was doing, but it was sounded like it was very close.
Speaker 1: The kind of freaked me out a little bit, you know,
Speaker 1: it was sending alarm for some Yeah, exactly. So anything,
Speaker 1: anything's possible.
Speaker 3: So tell us about your documentary, Elusive Legend.
Speaker 1: Is that is that right? Yes, Lucid Legend and ECBR Story.
Speaker 1: That was actually filmed just probably a little over a
Speaker 1: year ago. Now, yeah, it was actually last not last
Speaker 1: apt Ober. When was that film? Well, anyway, it's over
Speaker 1: a year old by now, just maybe just over a year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was filmed actually in the same general area, a
Speaker 1: little further up at another camp site. We had a
Speaker 1: group of people that camped out there. So we set
Speaker 1: up our base camp there by the river, and which
Speaker 1: was interesting because we did some daytime exploring, which was okay.
Speaker 1: You know, I was able to point out a few
Speaker 1: things and darkment, you know, and there was a couple
Speaker 1: of things that got interesting at nighttime. Actually we heard
Speaker 1: there was a couple of things that we pointed out.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give off too many details. You'll
Speaker 1: have to watch the movie. So but yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: basically consisted of some of the stuff that happened while
Speaker 1: we were filming some of the We had some other
Speaker 1: eyewitnesses that shared their encounters their stories, and then of
Speaker 1: course there's a lot of me blabbing in there. So
Speaker 1: so but yeah, that was actually a very fun little project.
Speaker 1: I've been in talk with the film producer. He's an
Speaker 1: independent film producer. He's actually got a couple of movies
Speaker 1: under his belt, Bigfoot, Path of the Beast. He has
Speaker 1: that one out. He actually has a Facebook page for that,
Speaker 1: and then his other one is Black Eyed Children. So yeah,
Speaker 1: which is interesting. Yeah, I haven't watched that one. I
Speaker 1: watched Bigfoot Path of the Beast. Now that one there.
Speaker 1: That was the way he describes it from what I
Speaker 1: recall him describing it, even though I've watched it. It's
Speaker 1: slightly based off of almost like a missing form on
Speaker 1: one report, but it was based off this guy that
Speaker 1: goes out in the woods with his wife or the
Speaker 1: girl he was kind of propose to, and and they
Speaker 1: having some kind of disagreement. Something happens, but the guy
Speaker 1: is madly in love with her, but somehow she ends
Speaker 1: up disappearing and he can't find her. All he finds
Speaker 1: is the ring on the ground, and so he goes
Speaker 1: on this hunt to look for her, and he starts investigating,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and then it goes from there. I don't
Speaker 1: want to ruin it to it, like I said, for
Speaker 1: an independent film, and I thought it was pretty cool,
Speaker 1: you know. But and one of the big foot costume
Speaker 1: that he uses in the movie, he actually used that
Speaker 1: as a prop next to his booth last June at
Speaker 1: our last event. So yeah, he had sunglasses on it
Speaker 1: and yeah, and then oh, actually he had two of them.
Speaker 1: He had the one, Yeah, he had the one at
Speaker 1: his booth and then he had one out on the
Speaker 1: street by the sign. So we had people taking pictures
Speaker 1: with a big prop, you know, which was cool. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a big for a prop that he used
Speaker 1: in the movie, So it was pretty cool. But yeah,
Speaker 1: as far as a Loosi legend, yeah, I hope to
Speaker 1: continue that me and have we've actually been talking. It's
Speaker 1: just a matter of trying to find the right time, uh,
Speaker 1: because he lives up in northern Virginia. Well, actually he's
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. And it all depends because you know,
Speaker 1: as far as the schedule between him and his wife,
Speaker 1: they got three little ones now, so you know, trying
Speaker 1: to find the time because he's like, he's like, well,
Speaker 1: what time do you think we want to do this?
Speaker 1: As well, I'm trying to keep in mind, trying to
Speaker 1: look back at my dates on what events I got played.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, it looks like July might be
Speaker 1: the only free month I get, you know, but I
Speaker 1: mean I have one event in July. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I got June, July and then August with the event. Yeah,
Speaker 1: July's only Yeah, I only got one event in July
Speaker 1: for the rest of the month of free. So I
Speaker 1: was considering trying to do something with July, but he
Speaker 1: keeps telling me, he said, if we do another one,
Speaker 1: we need to have something solid. He's I want to
Speaker 1: capture something my film. I said, well, we're going to
Speaker 1: have to spend some good quality time out there. You
Speaker 1: can't expect it to be you know, happened when you're
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, I consider as I don't know,
Speaker 1: a blessing or if you're lucky that you know, you know,
Speaker 1: my thing is. And like I tell people, like at
Speaker 1: the end of this month, we got our you know,
Speaker 1: our camp out, and we got about between ten to
Speaker 1: twelve people signed up for that. And I try to
Speaker 1: organize campouts in early May if I can, at least
Speaker 1: early May or early you know, like as far as
Speaker 1: spring and fall, like early to mid spring or early
Speaker 1: the mid fall, of course right before you get into
Speaker 1: the hunting season. Because I consider the temperature. I consider
Speaker 1: like as far as let's talk about springtime around early
Speaker 1: the mid spring, your foliage is just starting to come in.
Speaker 1: The weather's just starting to get a little warmer, but
Speaker 1: it's comfortable. I like to consider, Okay, if I had
Speaker 1: to live out here, you know, and it's very hot weather,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be that active. I want to
Speaker 1: you know, find a water source or hang out in
Speaker 1: the rock ledges and find a den you know that
Speaker 1: keeps it nice and cool. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: walking around and sweat my butt off if I don't
Speaker 1: have to, you know, unless I need to go eat,
Speaker 1: you know, same thing with the fall. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: here in Virginia on the east coast, you got I mean,
Speaker 1: the fall is still maybe pretty hot in the fall,
Speaker 1: so you know, I try to look at September more
Speaker 1: like October, even though October you can still have a
Speaker 1: lot of hot nights, but it cools down. Especially where
Speaker 1: I came back, it's more out in the mountains. It's
Speaker 1: more towards the western part of the state. You're in
Speaker 1: a little bit higher elevation, so at nighttime the tempers
Speaker 1: drop to a cooler temperature. You're usually about it anywhere
Speaker 1: between a five to ten degree difference compared to where
Speaker 1: I'm at here. I mean, I'm i got mountains surrounding me,
Speaker 1: but more to the west. I mean, we're in the
Speaker 1: western part of the state. We're in the Shannando Valley.
Speaker 1: So if you go a little further west, about forty
Speaker 1: forty five minutes or so, yeah, you're very You're right
Speaker 1: there over by the West Virginia line pretty much. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the temperatures, you know, I think every year they
Speaker 1: kind of vary, but they're pretty close the way they
Speaker 1: work out. So yeah, as far as I mean, you
Speaker 1: experienced different activity all year long, but it's not going
Speaker 1: to be as interesting as if it was at night
Speaker 1: when it was cooler, because, yeah, a lot of these
Speaker 1: animals and species, a lot of people believe that they're nocturnal,
Speaker 1: although there have been sightings of them numerous times during
Speaker 1: the day. But yeah, they tend to be a little
Speaker 1: bit more active at night, you know. Of course that's
Speaker 1: when the deer start moving. They blend in better with
Speaker 1: their environment at nighttime, especially like the incident. That's how
Speaker 1: I look at it. From two thy fourteen, they were
Speaker 1: definitely blended in with the darkness. So it only makes sense,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, how many times did I walk
Speaker 1: through the woods where maybe there was one few just
Speaker 1: a few feet away from me and I never knew it.
Speaker 1: I think of those things, you know, you don't know,
Speaker 1: they could be dead still, They could probably remain still
Speaker 1: for a very long time, you know. Yeah, you just
Speaker 1: don't know. So so yeah, I mean, I for the
Speaker 1: longest time, I've gone out in the woods doing a
Speaker 1: lot of my own daytime exploring, and I've camped out
Speaker 1: a lot by myself. Some people think that's crazy. Maybe
Speaker 1: it is. I don't know, but I will tell you
Speaker 1: one thing, as I mentioned, but my nine millimeter out
Speaker 1: there when you know, we got howl that. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I'm most of the time I carry my forty
Speaker 1: four magnum because you know, I like carring necks. It's
Speaker 1: much more powerful. But then I considered the nine millimeter because, yeah,
Speaker 1: for example, let's say the coyotes. Coyotes come at you.
Speaker 1: It's faster action, a lot lighter, you know. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course a forty four magnum might take down a
Speaker 1: bigger bear, you know. But you know i'd say that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't really fear a
Speaker 1: bear all too much because bears, especially as black bears,
Speaker 1: they're normally very skittish of humans. A lot of times
Speaker 1: they'll smell you before you can see them, you know.
Speaker 1: And like, for example, some of the bears I've seen
Speaker 1: out there while hiking during the daytime, by the time
Speaker 1: I notice them, they're already running them on in the
Speaker 1: opposite direction because they've already gotten wind of you.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of times there's something, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's very rare if a black bear would
Speaker 1: be aggressive to you. So I just recently learned something
Speaker 1: about black bears, you know, and it's a I don't know.
Speaker 1: I need to look into this a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But this was on a educational documentary and like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know how true this is, but if it's true,
Speaker 1: it's very interesting because everyone says that you come between
Speaker 1: a black bear and his cubs, you better watch out, right.
Speaker 1: Well I heard recently and again I need to look
Speaker 1: into this. So they say that's very rare for a
Speaker 1: mother to be aggressive if you come across his cubs.
Speaker 1: But that at the same time, it don't make no sense.
Speaker 1: But you know, most apex predator animals are I would
Speaker 1: assume that they would be very protective, especially mountain lions.
Speaker 1: Mountain lions are very aggressive if you come across their cubs.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, you don't want to cross a mother
Speaker 1: mountain lion. Yeah, you're asking for serious trouble. But as
Speaker 1: far as bears, i've heard, I don't know, that's something
Speaker 1: I really need to look at you because I'm taking
Speaker 1: no chance, right, That's the way I look at it,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you know, like I said, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: come across as the guy that goes out in the
Speaker 1: woods and yeah, I can go put an animals. You
Speaker 1: know I don't, I said, just because I say I
Speaker 1: don't fear an animal, I respect them. You know. It's
Speaker 1: not like I'm the beast master. I can go out
Speaker 1: there and you know one of them are Daniel.
Speaker 3: We got one more question for you and then we'll
Speaker 3: wrap this up here tonight. Okay, what's your definition of Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: You know that's a good question. I will try to
Speaker 1: answer that to the best of my ability, and as
Speaker 1: I tell people what I believe Bigfoot is based off
Speaker 1: of my conclusions and with what I've studied in research.
Speaker 1: Does not make this a concrete fact, does not make
Speaker 1: it a fact at all. However, this is my strong opinion.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say he's alien. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say he's human. I want to be careful how
Speaker 1: I say this. But because there's people that believe they
Speaker 1: are a type of human, then you got some people
Speaker 1: that believe they're some like ancient religimitad. You know, I
Speaker 1: believe they're somewhere or something along the lines of unclassified
Speaker 1: undiscovered non human primate. Now when I say that, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they're a type of rangutang. I'm not staying
Speaker 1: there a gorilla, you know, because I believe, you know,
Speaker 1: gorillas in US humans we're actually completely different, although science
Speaker 1: says we're they're the closest living relative to the human
Speaker 1: because of the DNA numbers and the percentages. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot I like to look at again with my
Speaker 1: cross comparisons to these various species. I honestly feel that
Speaker 1: they got to be, you know, And just because I'm
Speaker 1: saying they got to be doesn't mean they are. But
Speaker 1: I honest believe that they got to be some type
Speaker 1: of highly intelligent primate. What kind of primate, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's a whole list of primates that date back from
Speaker 1: you know, ancient times still up to today. You know.
Speaker 1: When I say ancient, I talked about relative, you know,
Speaker 1: somewhere along the lines. For the longest time. I believe
Speaker 1: I always practiced or preached the Gigantopithecus theory, and I
Speaker 1: always try to look at that as like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: had people tell me there's no way he could have
Speaker 1: been Gigantrophithicus because Gigantopithecus the remains were found in different
Speaker 1: parts of Asia, and so forth. Okay, But then again,
Speaker 1: we had dinosaurs all over the world. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not like we had them in one stationary location. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody believes about or has a ferry, but the Barren
Speaker 1: Land Bridge, you know. But I mean we have all
Speaker 1: these different species that are found all over the world.
Speaker 1: We have big foot that's been found in every like China, Indonesia, Australia.
Speaker 1: Everyone has their own bigfoot legend. So why does something
Speaker 1: like a gigantopithecus, you know, why are we limiting limited
Speaker 1: ing the possibility of their whereabouts, of the location or existence? Right?
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not saying bigfoot is a jackantapithecis.
Speaker 1: But just like all the species of different animals that
Speaker 1: we have today, over time or as some people would
Speaker 1: like to talk about evolution or evolving, I believe over
Speaker 1: time certain species adapt and they do tend to evolve
Speaker 1: in certain environments over a period of time that they
Speaker 1: develop and look different because of how they learn to
Speaker 1: strive and survive in these areas. So I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a couple of different ways I like to look at
Speaker 1: this as in a few different possibilities. I don't want
Speaker 1: to limit myself to these possibilities, but these are different
Speaker 1: possibilities and believes I like to try to stay focused
Speaker 1: on for my own reasons. So yeah, So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say he's human, but I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say he's not. I'm not gonna say he's
Speaker 1: a you know, a temper primate. But as you heard,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely saying he might be. You know. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I know I may not make sense to
Speaker 1: some of you know listeners or you know whoever, but
Speaker 1: it's I had my take a few on things. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's a few other things and a few other ways
Speaker 1: I can I'm getting a little bit deeper details if
Speaker 1: I had my nose present, but I don't so.
Speaker 3: Well, nobody nobody really knows, do they. I'm right, maybe
Speaker 3: the government or someone who's got somebody's hid somewhere, but
Speaker 3: they still don't even really know where these things came.
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, And that's what I tell people. I said,
Speaker 1: whatever you believe you might be, that's not a wrong answer,
Speaker 1: right right until we get one, and nobody's ever going
Speaker 1: to know, right.
Speaker 3: Well, man, we appreciate you coming on and talking with
Speaker 3: us tonight, Daniel. It's been a lot of fun and
Speaker 3: we really like hearing your stories and what you get
Speaker 3: going on there.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much. I really appreciate you guys
Speaker 1: having me on. It's the honor to be on here
Speaker 1: with you guys. Yeah, it's an.
Speaker 3: East Coast Bigfoot Researchers Organization ecb ro O. You're on Facebook.
Speaker 3: Check out your documentary as well, Elica Legend b E
Speaker 3: c b r O Stories that was called there.
Speaker 1: Yes, and for the record, there is actually another bigfoot
Speaker 1: film documentary that's actually about to be available on DVD
Speaker 1: that was filmed out in the state of Illinois, feature me,
Speaker 1: Zach Strik, Stacey Coughlin, Ben Bishop, and Jessico. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's coming available. That's called The Hunt for the Shawnee Sasquatch. Okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, that's the one. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of cool stuff with a movie and that film. But
Speaker 1: the producer who actually put all our footage together in
Speaker 1: my thermal footage, he shows that at the very end.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it is, but I'm not going to
Speaker 1: deny it. Zach's convinced that it is, so I mean,
Speaker 1: I said, Zach, I'm gonna leave it up to everybody's
Speaker 1: conclusion what they want to believe. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: something there. I can tell you whatever it was, it
Speaker 1: wasn't there earlier. Because I will say this much. I
Speaker 1: scanned my thermal in this area earlier that night. There
Speaker 1: was nothing there that showed up the way this showed up,
Speaker 1: you know, So something was there, you know. You can
Speaker 1: see this dark image looked like it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: just wide and bold and you know, and it also
Speaker 1: appeared to be upright, so you know. And then there
Speaker 1: was an over back in the woods, way up behind camp.
Speaker 1: There was something else. Don't know what it was, but
Speaker 1: something else picked up a heat signature. There was Stacy.
Speaker 1: You could like all of us are standing in this
Speaker 1: area open area was and somewhere down way in the
Speaker 1: distance back towards the camp, or well actually in between
Speaker 1: our camp and the other field, I was picking something
Speaker 1: up just to the left of Stacey from where Stacey
Speaker 1: Coughlin was standing, and I think you can see my
Speaker 1: finger point at it because you can't hear my audio
Speaker 1: on the camera so on the thermal. But but it
Speaker 1: was interesting we picked that up. But yeah, I try
Speaker 1: to tell people, you got to check that out. When
Speaker 1: it's when you get an opportunity, so yeah, we certainly will. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: So all right, well, Daniel, we thank you again and
Speaker 3: we'll be talking to you soon. And thanks for coming
Speaker 3: on and talking with us tonight, and we appreciate it.
Speaker 1: All absolutely, Thank you guys very much and we look
Speaker 1: forward to seeing you guys. Yeah, oh I sure will. Yeah,
Speaker 1: next next month, June eighteenth. We're here in Virginia. So
Speaker 1: all right, man, guys, yeah, you take care. You have
Speaker 1: a good night, Daniel. All right, guys, we'll see it.
Speaker 1: Have a good one you too.
Speaker 4: Now you're listening to the Cryptied Creatures podcast with Todd
Speaker 4: and Brian. If you've had an encounter and want to
Speaker 4: be on the show, email us at info at cryptid
Speaker 4: Creatures dot Co. We're leave a message at eight eight
Speaker 4: eight five. Dog Man, I want.
Speaker 2: To check out that documentary he did again. I think
Speaker 2: I'm watched it before, but I can't quite remember a lot,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna be sure to check it out. He's
Speaker 2: got a lot of information, a lot going on down
Speaker 2: in Virginia.
Speaker 1: It does. Yeah, it was interesting things.
Speaker 2: Going on in his life. But it's good to get
Speaker 2: him on to talk to him and.
Speaker 1: That was that was fun. Yeah. I hope we can
Speaker 1: get out there and hug up by them sometimes that's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, make make a trip that way.
Speaker 1: I'd love to get out there and try and set
Speaker 1: up out there and see if we can catch him.
Speaker 2: All right, man, always a good time, always all right.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next time.
Speaker 1: Yep, see y