WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:10.800 We're catching you and walking just fast where we saw 2 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:13.160 the deer on the opposite side of the road. Something 3 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:23.239 catches up my attention, sorry, blink is if that's what 4 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:26.600 it made me realize it was a subject, something, a 5 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:38.920 creature of some sort that was there. What this subject 6 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:43.200 was doing was actually swaying back of war pretty fast. 7 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:47.759 It had this pretty swift swaying movie. And I had 8 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:49.679 no idea what the heck I was looking at, but 9 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:51.840 I could tell you for a fact that this was 10 00:00:51.840 --> 00:01:01.079 not a bear. This is the Up the Creature's Podcast. 11 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:03.240 I am Brian and with me as always my co 12 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:04.280 host Todd. 13 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:07.040 What's going on, buddy, We got a good show tonight. 14 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:10.439 We got Daniel ben Wa coming on from the e C. 15 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:11.200 B r O. 16 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:15.439 Yeah, East Coast Bigfoot Researchers Organization. 17 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:17.200 Yeh, I'm excited about that one. 18 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:19.799 Daniel seeing a couple, had a couple of encounters in 19 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:22.879 his lifetime and heard plenty and does his own Uh. 20 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:25.480 I believe he's got a couple documentaries out there, maybe 21 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:26.760 YouTube channel, and I think he does. 22 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:28.599 And he's got a new one coming out. 23 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:30.680 Yeah, so have to be sure to check that out. 24 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:32.000 But let's get him on and talk to him, see 25 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:32.680 what he's got to say. 26 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:37.959 Yeah, man, let's get Daniel. 27 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:39.760 Thanks for coming on and talking to us tonight. 28 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.640 Well, thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to 29 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:46.079 be here. Yeah, we're glad you finally got on there 30 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:47.840 with us. Daniel. 31 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.280 We met you on social media and got to talk 32 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:52.280 in and realize that you're part of or you actually 33 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:54.799 started and have E C b r O. That's the 34 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:57.079 East Coast Bigfoot Research Organization. 35 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:01.879 Is that right? Yes? On a thing. You know, I've 36 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:05.560 heard other people pronounce it, but I've always pronounced it 37 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:09.360 researchers as in plural. A lot of people like to 38 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:12.000 pronounce it just as like a researcher, but you know 39 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:14.840 it's I make it plural because there's others that you 40 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:18.960 associate with me and here locally and a few out 41 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:19.680 of state, you. 42 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:24.560 Know, so researchers organization got Yeah, So what was it 43 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:25.439 that made you start that? 44 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:31.639 Well, basically, I was very solo independent when I first 45 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:35.599 got involved. You know, I didn't know anybody. I didn't 46 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:40.199 know that there was others involved with the whole Bigfoot phenomenon, 47 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.960 you know, I mean I was getting involved before I 48 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:48.639 jumped on social media and you know, just things were 49 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:52.639 starting to light up, you know, you know, because everybody's 50 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:56.280 familiar with Roger Pattison, Bob gimml the footage, you know, 51 00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:00.680 and that's been around for years. And I'll be honest 52 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:02.599 with you, I believe you know, as I tell people, 53 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:06.680 that's basically what did it for me. It's kind of, uh, 54 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:10.479 sparked that curiosity and put that excitement in me that 55 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:14.719 grew into a passion, you know. So you know, ever 56 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:18.000 since seeing that, and then you know, then there was 57 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:22.360 documentaries on that later on. You know, they've been till 58 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:24.319 this day, they've been trying to bump that, you know. 59 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:28.439 So I just found that to be very fascinating. It's 60 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:33.159 basically captivated me. It draw me it well, I say it, 61 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:37.719 it pulled me in. And because you know, long before that, 62 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:41.319 you know, Bigfoot wasn't really nothing that was on my mind. 63 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:43.400 I didn't think about Bigfoot. Although I grew up in 64 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:47.479 the woods, I was familiar with nature, you know. But yeah, 65 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:52.199 as far as getting involved with Bigfoot and watching the 66 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.599 different shows that come on and finding Bigfoot, you know, 67 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:59.840 which was a lot of fun and now we got expedition, 68 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:04.439 but you know, so yeah, it just you know, I 69 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:08.039 started doing a lot of exploring and really doing a 70 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:13.439 lot of in depth research. You know, my senses were 71 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:15.439 more alert and more heightened, you know, where I was 72 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:18.600 starting to pay attention to nature a little bit better, 73 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:22.279 you know, and my surroundings, you know. And then as 74 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:25.600 far as taking off from there, I started getting on 75 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.439 social media. I learned about Facebook, and you know, well 76 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:33.120 before Facebook, I believe my Space came around. There was 77 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:36.120 my Space, and then I jumped to Facebook, and and 78 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:40.000 then I started playing around learning how to use social media, 79 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:44.800 and I was discovering, Wow, there's all these other Bigfoot 80 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:49.439 groups and communities. And I started watching and listening, and 81 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:52.560 you know, I didn't really interact too much. I was 82 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.600 more or less like the student in the back of 83 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:57.000 the room that was just sitting back and listening and observing, 84 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.319 you know, taking notice of all these different fair is. 85 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:05.319 It started to flood social media, and I didn't dismiss 86 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.480 anyone because I didn't know, honestly too much about the 87 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:12.920 subject itself. So I started taking notes and I started 88 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:16.079 looking into things on my own. Then I took it 89 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:19.480 upon myself to do my own independent research and studies 90 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:22.360 both in and out of the field. My main focus 91 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:26.319 was on the wildlife, but I wanted to find something 92 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:32.160 that closely resembled Bigfoot, especially with all their reported activities 93 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:36.079 that we hear about or may have even experienced, all 94 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:39.279 the way down to the vocalizations. I wanted to find 95 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:44.160 a species that existed, that we know that existed, that 96 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.399 I could start comparing to. You know, so I discovered one, 97 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:53.720 and I chose one. And to be more specific as 98 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:59.800 far as our our non human primates chimpanzees, gorillas, baboons 99 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:04.040 and so forth, you know, orangutans. I started reading into 100 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:06.720 these and are looking into how they act and behave, 101 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:11.240 learning and reading on different uh, you know, some of 102 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.920 the research and the notes from primatologists and what they 103 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:17.680 know and what what was observed from these primates, And 104 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:21.240 in my studies, I've actually come to find that there 105 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:25.639 was so many similarities within what you know, their behaviors, 106 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:28.600 things that people are in our own neck of the woods. 107 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:33.279 Are you know, giving Bigfoot credit for well, you know 108 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:35.600 a lot of the a lot of our findings, you know, 109 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.120 they're basically could be logically explained. But then on the 110 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:42.000 other hand, some of these findings that you're scratching your 111 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:43.959 head and making you think, WHOA, wait a minute, there's 112 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:49.399 something to this. So but long story short, I was 113 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:54.680 doing cross comparisons with our non human primates and what bigfoots, 114 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:57.800 you know, what people are giving Bigfoot credit for, and 115 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:00.920 that they're started to draw my own conclusions of what 116 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:05.079 Bigfoot might be. So but then again, as I developed 117 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:08.079 on social media, you know, started presenting some of my 118 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:11.279 basic little research here and there, I started picking up 119 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.759 on you know, friends and other people that were interested 120 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:17.800 in hearing what I had to say, and it kind 121 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.920 of drew grew from there. It kind of started growing 122 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:24.279 and developing from there, and so I started looking for 123 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:27.519 other people so to participate with me or you know, 124 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:31.160 associate with me, because you know, we all learn from 125 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:33.639 each other. You know, I don't have the answers or 126 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:36.519 all the answers or I mean, because I don't have 127 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:38.920 answers at all except for my honest conclusions and my 128 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:43.399 honest beliefs behind the subject. But yet there's still a 129 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:45.759 lot we could learn from one another. So that's where 130 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.680 I took it upon myself to start trying to gather 131 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:53.040 people you know, so cool. Yeah, sorry if I'm rambling 132 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:53.360 too much. 133 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:54.199 No, you're fine. 134 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.279 You're fine, all right, that's what we want. 135 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:59.319 Yeah, we want you guys to talking. We're just here 136 00:07:59.319 --> 00:07:59.759 to listen. 137 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:04.519 Okay, maybe ask some questions on occasion, not a problem. Yeah, 138 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:06.560 Sometimes I ramble and I just keep going on. You'll 139 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:08.839 hear me be very random. You'll hear me talk from 140 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:10.800 one thing, jump to another and go back and forth. 141 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:12.920 So just give your heads up. I try to give 142 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:14.560 people heads up when I do these, when I do 143 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:18.319 public presentations, because you know, I know sometimes people find 144 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:21.720 it horror follow me because I'll start on something, you'll 145 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:24.879 hear me merge something else, and then I'll come back 146 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:26.879 to it to explain why I was talking about that. 147 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:30.959 Have you had an encounter before, Daniel. 148 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:34.200 Yes, honestly, I actually had a couple of different encounters. 149 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.000 One was more of a visual, the other was not 150 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:43.919 a visual. However, twenty fourteen was actually the first time 151 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:47.759 I've ever had any visual encounter. And for the record, 152 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:50.120 I was not alone when this happened. There were six 153 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.519 of us total. This was actually during a camping event. 154 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:56.840 May third, or twenty fourteen, is the date that this 155 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:00.320 event took place. To give you a little run back 156 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:04.720 earlier that day, me and the crew. We had actually 157 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:10.039 did a lot of daytime exploring up behind camp. And yeah, 158 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:12.440 we were up behind camp. We we did some good 159 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:16.200 you know hiking exploring. Yeah, we found a few interesting 160 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:19.799 things here and there. A couple of guys I didn't 161 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:21.399 get to see it. This part of us kind of 162 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:23.840 split off. A couple of guys plan to have found 163 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:28.000 a couple tracks down in a wash out, washed out creek, 164 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:30.600 and I would have loved to see that because that's 165 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.600 actually where I love the look for tracks, by the way, uh, 166 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.279 anywhere where the dirt is well exposed, where it may 167 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:40.039 be soft enough with something, but really you pick up 168 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:45.039 the details or show details. So yeah, after a day 169 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:47.759 of you know, exploring and everything, coming back to camp, 170 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:51.440 everybody relaxed, rest, you know, we grabbed the bike eat. 171 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:56.039 We had planned to go out that evening because you know, 172 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:58.120 everybody likes a good night height, you know, when it 173 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:01.360 comes to big footing. So that's what we did. We 174 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:04.000 set out on a foot. Now in the area where 175 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:06.240 we camp at, there is a lake in the area. 176 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:08.919 Actually there's two, the other ones a couple of miles 177 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:10.879 away from the one lake that was close to us. 178 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:13.919 So from where our camp was to the lake. It 179 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:19.120 was approximately maybe a mile all right, So we had 180 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:22.279 made foot down to the lake and it was perfect 181 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.279 because usually there's people down there parked over there, you know, 182 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:30.600 spread out around the lake fishing. Well. To my surprise, 183 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:33.240 there was nobody there, which was perfect, so we could 184 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:36.200 do what we wanted to do without being disturbed or whatever. 185 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:38.960 So now keep in mind, by the time we got 186 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:42.159 to the lake, the sun was already gone down, and 187 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:44.279 so I mean we still had a little bit of daylight, 188 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:47.879 even though we came prepared for the night, and so 189 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:52.799 we paired up in twos. We spread out around the lake. Now, 190 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:55.000 we had a couple that came down all the way 191 00:10:55.000 --> 00:11:00.600 from Vermont and Keimmy and Darren there were older so 192 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:02.600 you know, we kept them at the beginning of the lake. 193 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:06.200 There was like a little peninsula with a little bench there, 194 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:07.960 so you know, there was no sense of walking on 195 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.519 the backside of the lake. But yeah, so the rest 196 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:12.919 of us, we you know, it was my buddy Tracy 197 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:16.240 Allen and his son, and then there was me and 198 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.879 Cliff Stanley. So yeah, like I said, we went further down, 199 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:24.080 spread apart, and we all had radio communication and for 200 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.679 the record around the lake. There is these little square 201 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:32.840 docs or piers or whatever. They're handicapped accessible. So what 202 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:35.159 we did. We yeah, we all got on these you know, 203 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:39.879 spread out on these little piers or docks whatever. You know, 204 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:43.080 we're listening. We got me and Tracy, we both had 205 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:50.000 parabog mics and so yeah, we're listening. Yeah, we're hearing 206 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.120 a few things up behind us. There's a ridge up 207 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:56.080 behind us. You know, you're hearing some limb snap, what 208 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:59.879 sounds like some kind of movement or walking, but it 209 00:11:59.919 --> 00:12:02.679 was very distant from what I was hearing. It was distant. 210 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:06.000 It didn't sound too close, but you know that timeline. 211 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:09.759 It could be dear, it could be bear. Whatever. So anyway, 212 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:14.000 while we were set up there, I radio down to Kimmy. 213 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:16.840 Now I have to say this. I share this, and 214 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:20.000 I'm proud to say that anyone who is familiar with 215 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:25.240 the vocalization that Bobo from Finding Bigfoot does. Kimmy, she's 216 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:27.720 a little lady. But I'm gonna tell you I've heard 217 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:30.639 her vocals numerous times, and I was like, this was 218 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:34.639 the perfect place to hear a vocal because you got 219 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:37.840 the lake and you got these two mountain ridges. Surrounding you. 220 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:42.200 So and then you know, any vocalization's going to bounce 221 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:45.799 off these ridges and it's going to be heard from 222 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:49.639 a good distance. So I radio down to Kimmy. I said, Kimmy, 223 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:53.000 all right, you know everyone's hearing me as I'm contacting Kimmy. 224 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:56.080 I said, all right, everybody, Kimmy, we want you to 225 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:59.639 do your vocal. And as soon as Kimmy's done, everybody 226 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:05.279 let's was silent, And so Kimmy gave off her bobo 227 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:11.360 vocal and after that we all remained silent and we listened. 228 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:16.320 Now for the record, keep in mind that me and Tracy, 229 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:19.120 Tracy was a little he was down I'll call it. 230 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.120 He's in the middle between me and Kimmy. Kimmy's way 231 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.720 down at the entrance of the lake and I'm up 232 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.080 on the upper end and Tracy and the sun were 233 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:31.799 in the middle. So, after about a good ten seconds 234 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:37.159 or so, we ended up getting a response. And it 235 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:40.679 was not it was not a echo, because echo welred 236 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:44.559 have heard that immediately. This was a good ten seconds 237 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:48.519 or so, and the vocal you could tell you could 238 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:50.159 hear there was a little distance. It sounded like it 239 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.360 was coming over to the other bridge that was across 240 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.000 from us. So we just found that fascinating that we 241 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:03.559 got a response from Kimmy's vocalization. So so after some 242 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:06.559 time was fastened by, we weren't hearing nothing, we weren't 243 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:11.039 getting no activity. We figured it was late, it's time 244 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:15.320 to rig group and head back to camp. So that's 245 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:17.600 what we did. We all met back up, regrouped that 246 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:21.200 where Kimmy and Darren were, and we set back on 247 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:24.440 foot the head back to camp. And now we're walking 248 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:27.600 out of the lake. It's all gravel all keeping my 249 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:30.480 most or majority of the forest road in the national 250 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.480 forest where we were, it's all gravel. There's some parts 251 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:38.039 of it depends on the direction you go. It is paved. However, 252 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.759 we were walking up the gravel road and we were 253 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:44.039 headed out to the main forest road. And as we're 254 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:47.799 walking up, we're in a single fire line. I'm in 255 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:50.600 I'm basically up ahead in the lead, and then follow 256 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.120 me was Tracy Cliff and the Kimmy and Darren. So 257 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.360 we were walking along and we're all talking. We're all 258 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.879 talking in normal tone. We're not trying to remain silent. 259 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:00.480 We're not you know, our goal it was just to 260 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.000 get back to camp, you know, because it was late. 261 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:07.440 You know, I didn't really feel tired of nothing. But anyway, 262 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:12.720 so we started noticing, Oh, there's deer on the side 263 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:17.039 of the road. It was like nonchalantly walking. Now it 264 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:19.919 was so dark because of the headlands we had on. 265 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:23.639 It's weird how you could just notice your eyes shine. 266 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.879 Just bobbed along, and I guess they were just within 267 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.200 that range of light. I don't know, but yeah, you know, 268 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:33.159 it was a deer. It was just kind of bobbing, 269 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:35.840 you know, had the bluish marble eyes, just bobbing along. 270 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:39.840 Then went further away into the darkness. Funny thing is 271 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:44.480 most of the deer around there usually you know, they 272 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:48.919 get scared, they're very skittish. But it's like this deer 273 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:51.279 was I don't know what the deal was, but it 274 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:55.559 was acting like it was not scared of us or whatever. 275 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.559 It didn't act freaked out. It was just nonchalantly taking 276 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:00.240 his time on the side of the road and then 277 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.200 went into the woods. So, you know, I thought it 278 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:05.360 was interesting. You know, I mean, I've been close to 279 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:08.600 the deer before, put up on the parkway, because up 280 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.159 on the Parkway that runs on skyline drive of here. Yeah, 281 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:15.399 the deer they know they're safe up there. I mean, yeah, 282 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:17.039 you can get close to the deer all day long 283 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:20.840 up there, almost touch them. They got because there's no 284 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:25.360 hunting allowed up there. So anyway, after seeing this deer, 285 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:27.320 you know, which was cool. You know, we saw a 286 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:31.559 little something, you know, some wildlife. But we're catching and 287 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:34.759 walking and just past where we saw the deer, on 288 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.399 the opposite side of the road, something catches my attention 289 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:41.080 and I'm looking to something and I don't know my 290 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:43.600 I got my head lamp, but I'm trying to adjust it. 291 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:46.720 It's whatever I'm looking at down to my left, probably 292 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:51.320 a good thirty feet maybe something's reflecting. I thought it, 293 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:54.840 you know, immediately, one of the first initial thoughts was 294 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:58.559 at first, before I saw it blink, because that's what 295 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:04.680 maybe really it was a subject, something, a creature of 296 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:07.559 some sort that was there. But at first I was 297 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:09.559 trying to get focused because I couldn't tell that it 298 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.359 was ies. I mean, right away, I thought it was 299 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.039 one of these little yellow reflector signs that sometimes you 300 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.240 see in random places in the national forest. Sometimes I say, 301 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:22.440 no motor vehicles beyond this point. But I was thinking, 302 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:23.960 this is an odd place that have something like that. 303 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:26.079 There's no way a vehicles would drive off over there. 304 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:29.759 But then as I noticed, like I said, when I 305 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:33.519 saw it, it blinked and opened up. I realized again 306 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:38.319 it was a creature my words. When I called Tracy 307 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.960 was right behind, I said, Tracy, I pointed right out. 308 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:44.799 He saw it too, And because it looked low, my 309 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:49.519 first thoughts were, was that a mountain line? Excuse my language, 310 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.680 I use other words at the time, but because I 311 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:54.440 was like starting to like kind of freak out, because 312 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:57.119 mountainline was the first thought that popped in my head. 313 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:00.119 And all of a sudden, as we're looking at it, 314 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.559 it kind of looked like it zipped away, like it disappeared. 315 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:06.119 So traces like, guys, come on, come up here. We 316 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:08.720 got eye shine up here. So we all get up 317 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:11.599 into that position where we saw it, and we're all 318 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.720 standing there. We're looking directly into the woods, and our 319 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:19.200 headlamps are shining in. They're pretty good, and it's real 320 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:20.680 dark in there, but you could see some of the 321 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:24.720 trees and some of the bushes, and but whatever was there, 322 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:28.680 we saw it again. But keep in mind, for the record, 323 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:30.799 there was nothing about eye shine. We could not make 324 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:35.960 out any physical features, you know, no details, nothing whatsoever. 325 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:40.359 We're just seeing a set of large, yellowish looking eye shine. 326 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:42.599 And yes, it was yellowish. I know a lot of 327 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:47.279 people describe like an amber reddish color, but these colors 328 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:49.799 were like a large yellowish color, almost like the color 329 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.880 of this shirt. But yeah, they were blowing pretty good 330 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.640 based off the you know, the reflection off of our headlamps. 331 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:03.319 And what this was doing was actually swaying back and 332 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:06.960 forth pretty fast. It had this pretty swift swaying motion. 333 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:10.319 And I had no idea what the heck I was 334 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:12.279 looking at. But I could tell you for a fact, 335 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:16.279 I knew that this was not a bear because bear. 336 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:18.240 If that was a bear, I would have seen red eyeshine. 337 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:21.119 Bears have that red eyes shine, especially off of refleshing. 338 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.039 Every bear I've ever seen at night had red eyes, 339 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:26.599 you know, from off the either the headlights of the 340 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:31.119 vehicle or my flashlight. But this here was something different. 341 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:34.440 I knew it was different, but then at the same time, 342 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:38.440 I had no clue what it was. So we're observing 343 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:41.200 this subject. Keep in mind, it's a good Another thirty 344 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:44.160 forty feet from the edge of the fourth or where 345 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:48.000 we were standing and were it was kind of exciting 346 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:52.640 but very mysterious as a swaying side to sign. But 347 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:55.119 then it got a little bit more interesting because another 348 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:58.319 set of eyeshine showed up just about five maybe four 349 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:00.599 or five feet to the right of it. For this time, 350 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:03.759 this side of eyeeshine was much taller. And before I 351 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:05.920 go in on any further, I have to make this 352 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:11.519 clear that from where we were standing, the side of 353 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:14.200 the road sloped down several feet then leveled back out. 354 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:16.799 So yes, we are looking down at what we're looking 355 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:20.920 at now. The other one that's about six foot tall 356 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:26.400 is what we estimated, So we got a four foot subject. 357 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:28.599 You'll hear me call them subjects, because like I said, 358 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:33.000 I had no idea what these are. So we're looking 359 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:35.720 at two subjects, the small ones still swaying side to side. 360 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:37.640 And now we got this other one that's around six 361 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:43.000 foot tall, same color eyeshine, same reflection, and you can 362 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:47.559 notice it blinked its size on a few occasions. And 363 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:49.839 now we got two subjects we're trying to make out. 364 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:52.279 We're still trying to make out what they are. We're 365 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:56.720 not not seeing no features, no details whatsoever. You know, 366 00:20:56.799 --> 00:20:59.519 like I said, it was just kind of odd. But 367 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:03.599 after observing these two right here, I'm looking over I'm 368 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:05.880 just scanning the you know, the best I can. Keep 369 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:08.079 in mind, we got some of us had some bright 370 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:11.920 headlights headlight lamp sign But I'm looking over there through 371 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:15.200 the bushes and I'm looking over, looking around and seeing 372 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:18.240 if there's something else around. Because whatever we're looking at, 373 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:20.960 we don't know what they are. It's not making sense. 374 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.880 But then through the bushes, very low, I see another 375 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:28.799 set of eye shine and I pointed there that I 376 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:33.119 pointed that out. And I don't know if Tracy was 377 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:35.920 the next one to see that one with me, but everybody, sorry, 378 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:39.960 after I got all the way up, well and let 379 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:42.759 me back up, because like I said, it started very low, 380 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:46.039 and I kept my eyes on that one because there 381 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:47.839 was like I didn't know what that could have been. 382 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:51.000 But I noticed it started raising up. It started getting 383 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:55.359 taller and taller and taller. And then when it stopped 384 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:59.759 looking at the other ones, this one was towering over 385 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:03.279 top of the six foot one easily by two feet. 386 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:05.599 Now it's starting to get a little interesting here because 387 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.119 now we got three sets of eye shine at three 388 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.839 different levels. We got a four foot, we got a 389 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:13.920 six foot. Now we're estimating this one to be around 390 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:17.440 eight feet tall. Okay, what's in the woods that's eight 391 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:22.640 feet tall? You know, Again, these were not bears. So 392 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:26.160 now the thought of bigfoot is starting to kind of 393 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.240 flood through my mind a little bit here, But I 394 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.759 wasn't saying nothing. Tracy Arnold was the first one to 395 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:36.359 say anything about squatches. He's like, guys, we got squatches, 396 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:39.240 And at that point I wanted to believe that, but 397 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:43.279 I needed to see something more, you know, because small 398 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:45.759 ones still swaying side to side. It slowed down a 399 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:48.640 little bit, but it's still swaying. The other one was still, 400 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.519 you know, occasionally blinking his eyes. This one here, it 401 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:55.240