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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 3: He's not all there, and he doesn't He never thinks,

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thinks through, and he doesn't care about repercussions. He's always

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been that way.

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It was just after midnight on October first, twenty twenty

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in Champagne County, Ohio, and police received a strange nine

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to one one call. The young man on the other

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end of the line didn't want to disclose what was

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going on over the phone. Instead, he asked an officer

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to meet him in person. Officer Daniel Fisher headed out

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to the parking lot of the Sheriff's office to find

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a young man waiting for him. The guy stood nervously

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beside his car. He extended his hand and introduced himself

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as Randy Rider. Randy told the officer that he wanted

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to file a missing person's report for his girlfriend, Whitney Hostler.

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He hadn't seen her in over twelve hours. He said

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that he lived at his parents' house with Whitney and

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their young daughter, but a lot of fighting had been

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going on between Whitney, Randy's mother, Valerie Rider, and his father,

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Rodney Senior. Now Whitney was missing and he didn't know.

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Speaker 2: What to do.

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Speaker 1: Officer Fisher decided to file a missing person since report

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and news of Whitney's disappearance spread through the small farming community,

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the police soon got ahold of Whitney's mother, Kim Long. Kim,

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of course, was distraught. Whitney had been living with the

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Writer family for about a year as Valerie and Rodney

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were helping the young couple raise their baby, but now

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Kim was being ghosted by the Writers. After Whitney's disappearance.

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Speaker 4: How strange come out to his parents house and no

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one answer on the door on you out their home,

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but normally they would answer it. I'd call her her mom,

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his mom three times. You would think that I'm going

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to call her a bitch? Would I would call me back,

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knowing I'm worried? You know, why did the compact to

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come and tell me.

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Speaker 5: My daughter's missing?

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Speaker 6: You said you called her three times?

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Speaker 7: Three times.

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Speaker 1: Kim was beside herself, her daughter was missing, and now

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the writers were ignoring her.

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Speaker 8: If I were you, I wouldn't try to make contact

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with them.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I know.

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Speaker 8: You want answers. I do, and rightfully so. I mean,

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you know, with you being mom, you you one hundred

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percent deserve answers.

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Speaker 6: But with that being said.

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Speaker 8: Unfortunately, I would not go out there. And the only

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reason why I'm saying that is because you know, I

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don't want her to be an incident out there where

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you know, you say something to her, she says something

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to you, and the next thing you know, we're involved.

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Speaker 3: Right. I wasn't going to call you to come out here,

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I really was.

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Speaker 7: I'm just so worried.

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking of Myay.

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Speaker 6: I can only.

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Speaker 1: Imagine Whitney was twenty five years old and now a

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mother herself, but that didn't matter to Kim. She was

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still her baby girl, and she was worried, sick.

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Speaker 3: No at all.

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Speaker 8: Have you tried to call her again, I.

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Speaker 4: Did text her, but she never and I tried to

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pay primates she never did.

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Speaker 6: Was fun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you kind of weird.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you text her in the afternoon, correct, and then

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you called her around.

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Speaker 4: Nine about ten, about ten, it was about ten ten

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thirty from the hospital.

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Speaker 7: I tried to video chatter and stuff, and she never answered.

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I just thought it was kind of weird.

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Speaker 1: Kim had been reaching out to Whitney over and over.

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Speaker 7: Close your eyes when.

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Speaker 9: I can't imagine what you're going through. But like I said,

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we were investigating this as thoroughly as we possibly can.

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And you know, we've we've had we've had people on

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this since the very beginning, and like I said, we're

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going to continue to investigate this, you know, one hundred

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Speaker 8: Thoroughly as possible.

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Speaker 9: We want her home safe just as much as you do.

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Speaker 1: Still, Kim couldn't let go of the fact that the

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Writer family was being so cold to her. It didn't

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make sense that she wanted to talk to them.

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Speaker 4: Are you able to even have contact with them to

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get some answers.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know exactly where he worked at.

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I'm not for sure.

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Speaker 3: I guess the day game.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we have spoken with everybody.

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Speaker 1: The police had spoken with everybody in the household, Randy, Ryder,

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Rodney Senior, and Valerie. Rodney and Valerie insisted that Whitney

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had been picked up by a friend the other day,

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but Randy said he wasn't so sure. Something was going on.

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Definitely nobody knew exactly what it was. Whitney would never

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leave her daughter behind, especially since the girl was still

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a toddler. Whitney and Randy had been together for a

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few years, but their relationship was on and off. When

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they found out they were expecting a daughter, they decided

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that the best thing to do would be to move

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into Randy's parents' house. Rodney and Valerie were retired but

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still young and vibrant for grandparents, and they wanted to

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help the couple raise their baby girl. Randy had two brothers,

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David and Rodney Junior, but Randy was the only one

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still living at home. Rodney Junior was a bit of

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a screw up, and David was the golden child who

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now lived in Virginia Beach on his military base with

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his wife and two kids. He was willing to talk

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to police.

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Speaker 3: I joined the military to get away from my family.

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Speaker 8: Why is that, If you don't mind me asking.

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Speaker 3: Him, I just they were nothing, nothing bad. It was

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just like I you could ask my other two siblings.

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I am considered the golden towel.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So like my parents, I always, I guess, depended on

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me a lot to help out with things around the house, vehicles.

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I've got a background in mechanics work, and it's because

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of that, because I was constantly worked on my parents' vehicles,

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both of my brothers. I mean, I'm not gonna I

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can't say I am a man I am today because

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my parents, and you know, I learned a lot from

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my dad. But I say it was kind of getting

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I've got my wife and maybe watch just had our

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second born, so it was like I felt like they

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were taking up too much of my time.

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Speaker 8: I guess I just felt like you needed a change

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for you and your family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, David was the favorite. Well, Randy the baby. It

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was a little more let's say, entitled.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, I know Randy's history, Uh, I

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know how Randy is.

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Speaker 8: When you say you know Randy's history and you know

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how Randy is, what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 3: He's always been violent, just flat out says he's always

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had anger issues. He's always blamed a lot of stuff.

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I say, Randy always felt less privileged, I guess than

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myself or my older brother. Yeah, as far as like

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he never got a car for his sixteenth birthday, and

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Miss Matt well, it's also because he never earned it

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and he never saw things that way. He did a lot,

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Miss Matt. He he sees things differently from other people.

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Him and Whitney have always I've always been.

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Speaker 5: Back and forth.

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Speaker 3: There's been multiple times that my parents called me and said, hey, Randy,

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Whitney is trying to fight, and he started out the door,

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took off. I can go find him. So I'd have

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to go driving down the back roads in Saint Paris.

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Speaker 6: And he just walking and walked.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just be walking.

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Speaker 1: Randy and Whitney began fighting a lot, and because they

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were under his parents roof, there was no hiding the

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inner pain of their relationship. Their business was out in

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the open.

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Speaker 3: She was planning on leaving already and taking my niece.

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And then she found out that he was seeing another girl.

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Which this girl, out of all the girls he could

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have picked, he picked the worst one. To Whitney, it's

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like her arch nemesis, because Randy always had a thing

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with her when they were younger, and she found out

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Rainy was with her and Randy got her knocked up.

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Speaker 1: Randy had been cheating on Whitney with a girl named Eliza,

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whom Whitney despised. When Whitney found this out, it was

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a huge blow. Then Eliza became pregnant and Whitney was livid.

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Speaker 3: So she was just lit. She was pissed off and

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from minors saying they weren't at the house at the

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same time. If she was at the house and Randy

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would be gone and Randy was at the house here

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to go on.

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Speaker 1: Whitney and Randy were passing like two ships in the night,

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avoiding one another.

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Speaker 3: Randy was avoiding her, and when he finally came home

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on Wednesday, Yeah, Wednesday, he finally came home. She is

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when she had found out everything about Eliza, and she

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was waiting for him, and he said him and Whitney

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got into a fight since he got home.

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Speaker 5: She was.

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Speaker 3: Going off on him, straying, hiring, cussing and saying she

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was leaving and taking the baby. And I said to

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me that that would have smacked something for Randy.

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Speaker 1: Whitney was distraught and planning on leaving. Maybe she had

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just taken off and decided she wasn't going to let

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Randy know where she was going. But then why would

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her mother, Kim not be aware. The whole town was

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on high alert looking for Whitney. Everyone was worried missing.

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Posters of her were sent all over the news and

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tagged up in every store. Whitney was unique with her

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bleached blonde hair, permanent cat eyeliner, and multiple lip piercings.

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She wasn't the kind of girl who would blend into

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a crowd. Then a few days later, the Sheriff's department

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received a frantic nine one one call.

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Speaker 5: Hemergency.

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Speaker 10: I'm at Kaiser Lakes State Park right after you come

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down the kais of Lake Road and turn in. Just

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found a body laying down here at the bottom of

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the ravine.

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Speaker 11: Right the road.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you found a body at the bottom of the ravine.

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Speaker 11: Yes, it looks like it's a female. She's laying face down. Okay,

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lost on in pajama.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, I'm gonna paint your fun so I

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can find out exactly where you are.

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Speaker 11: Okay, Okay, just just just live just about a mile

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from here.

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Speaker 5: Okay, is she in the water or.

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Speaker 12: Is she wood?

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Speaker 11: She's laying, She's laying on the ground.

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Speaker 1: The woman's body was lying face down in the leaves

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and brush. Her skinny legs were twisted, and her hair

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was matted. She wasn't moving.

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Speaker 5: Are you near the roadway there? I think, I think

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on my map age? Yeah? Yeah, Okay, are you with

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a vehicle? Where are you on play?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 11: I'm on foot. I'm walking with my dog.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, if you want to step out towards

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the road, I'm going to send someone out there. Do

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you think that she's alive and breathing?

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Speaker 10: No, I don't like it.

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Speaker 11: All looks like she's been there for a while.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the caller wasn't sure, but judging by her position

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and the leaves and the elements, she looked dead.

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Speaker 11: No, I do not believe she's like looks like she

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might be in pajamas. She didn't have any shoes on,

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and she's got like a sweater, but looks like she

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has pajama bottoms.

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Speaker 5: One. Okay, and you think she's been there for a while.

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Speaker 11: Well, I went down and I didn't touch her. I

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went down, looking at her hands for kind of bruised looking.

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Speaker 5: Okay, could you tell anything else about her? You know?

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Speaker 11: Okay, No, she's laying she's straight down.

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Speaker 5: She tasted down.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know how it's okay, it's all right, tab.

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Speaker 5: All right, I'm gonna update my unit's okay, they're on

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their way.

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Speaker 11: Okay, I'll wait here.

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Speaker 1: The caller waited nervously for the police to arrive. The

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girl in the ravine was lifeless as the breeze picked

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up and the leaves swirled around her. When the police

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finally arrived on scene, they carefully turned her over. It

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was Whitney. She had been strangled and her hands were

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turning purple. Her once beautiful, pale face was vacant. Whitney

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was gone. As the news of Whitney's body being found

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swirled around their small town, Randy's brother David had a theory.

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Speaker 3: And I said, got under real pregnant. She was not

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happy about it, and see wade a friend to come

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home to start a fight, And I think that's what happened.

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They started a fight and it got out of hand.

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That's just my own personal opinion. I think Randy did

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it he's not all there, and he doesn't He never thinks,

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thinks through, and he doesn't care about repercussions. He's always

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been that way.

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Speaker 1: Rumors began swirling around the small town, and Randy was

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at the crux of it all. Twenty five year old

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old Whitney Hostler had been reported missing by her boyfriend

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Randy Ryder. Less than twenty four hours later, her body

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was found at the bottom of a ravine a few

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miles from the home the couple shared with Randy's parents.

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Whitney's mother, Kim, was a wreck. She wanted to see

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her daughter's remains.

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Speaker 7: Do you know of anything of anything that the body?

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Speaker 3: What I can kid a kid.

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Speaker 1: More painful? The Writer family was still ignoring Kim, and

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she wanted Whitney's things back so she could dress her

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for the funeral. Those things were trapped in the Writer

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family home.

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Speaker 7: And another thing I want to ask is very important.

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How do I go about because she's got clothes and

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she got distresses up.

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Speaker 5: In herself there at that house that she looked be appointed.

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Speaker 7: And that's what I want to put her in. I

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want to know when I can go get her.

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Speaker 3: Thought, I mean, I ken't go in that house obviously.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, I want to know when I can think

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better not touch her stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you they better not touch her stuff that's mine.

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Speaker 6: And I was just.

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Speaker 7: Wondering when I can go up here or someone could

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I detex you you can meet me out there.

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Speaker 3: Have you had any conversation or anything with Randy?

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Speaker 7: No, I haven't talk with Randy.

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Speaker 5: Okay, but my daughter Ina always.

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Speaker 7: Tell me that they made an arrest in Springfield. And

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I'm not excluding Randy because I've got a date. I'd

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easy to hear who.

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Speaker 8: Made an arrest in Springfield on.

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Speaker 6: What I don't know.

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Speaker 7: That's why you know, I don't believe anything. You don't

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have rumors fly around because everything's so high right now

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and out how a character. I don't know if it's

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even true. I'm not believing nothing.

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Speaker 3: As far as the leading you, I am only going

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by your information.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: As far as anybody else being arrested in connection or

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having anything to do with this case, that that's false.

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Speaker 7: Did you know that Randy was in the house when

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that happened? Did you know he was in the house.

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I've got it on recording, and I need you to

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hear this. I need somehow to figure out how to

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say this to you.

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Speaker 1: No arrest had been made, but rumors, of course, were

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flying as they do. Kim had also received a recording

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from someone that implicated Randy. Randy's brother David, had also

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received this mysterious video.

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Speaker 3: You yeah, you you know about these videos?

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Speaker 6: What videos with there?

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Speaker 3: So I was, I've got one of them.

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Speaker 7: I have a video.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on is recording them, but

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I got it from uh, one of my cousins. Her

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boyfriend was some girl or some thing that's been hanging

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around with Randy and Eliza and she's been recording randy conversations,

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you know, talking about everything. And the one I got

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was it was taken before Whitney's body was found, because

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you can hear in the video Eliza. It's a video

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of Eliza on the phone with Randy and I believe

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Whitney's mom. I believe Randy's was Whitney's mom at the time,

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and she is so Eliza is asking have you heard

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from her anything? Blah blah blah, and she's like, no,

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I haven't heard from her. So this this this point

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in time, Whitney is still missing. And then Randy goes

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on to say that she will be found in Kyler.

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Speaker 11: Not it's not.

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Speaker 3: Saying that they're going to find her dad, not like

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unless he is. He's talking about Kyler like thing, that

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she they're going to find her in Kaiser.

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Speaker 6: That to me was just weird.

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Speaker 3: How did he know they were going to find her

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in Kaiser.

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Speaker 1: Whitney's body was found at the bottom of a ravine

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near Kaiser Lake. According to this secret video footage, Randy

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knew exactly where she was before the guy walking his

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dog came across her.

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Speaker 6: Remember, the girl.

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Speaker 1: Who Randy had been sleeping with behind Whitney's back, who

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was now pregnant with his child, was named Eliza. She

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had been talking all over town. Eliza was young, and

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with that she was stupid, and she clearly didn't understand

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how badly she was implicating the man she claimed to

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love so dearly. The police were also informed by a

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random citizen that he had been the suspicious man at

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Kaiser Lake around the time that Whitney was found there. There,

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he took the cops to the exact spot and described

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what he saw.

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Speaker 14: With you guys, where exactly did you see this male subject?

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Debt with the crossbow down here, okay.

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Speaker 6: So when you saw him in the wooded area, where

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did you seem? Well, I only see him coming out

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of the wood area.

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Speaker 15: I just kind of seen him coming this way, like okay,

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so why walk from here all all the way around

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up this hill?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 6: So you walked from the beach area and.

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Speaker 5: Then I turn around.

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Speaker 6: But when I was coming back, he was probably like.

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Speaker 15: Five hundred feet behind me back that way.

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Speaker 5: It's like he just came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 6: So where did you see him?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 6: I seen him down here to the bomb in the hill.

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So at the curve he stopped at the curve, okay,

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and then I just kept walking. I just thought it

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was just some redneck man. He ate cameo on he

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ad the You don't know which side of the woods

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he came from. I didn't see that, okay. So down here, yeah,

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down there okay. And then uh, and where did you

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see the vehicle? The vehicle was touched in the in

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front of that sign.

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Speaker 14: They were like, okay, and you're talking about when you

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go down to the curve there there's a pole off

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on on the site.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but they had it tucked in. They're good Okay,

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it was a red car. Okay, you don't know what

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kind of a vehicle.

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Speaker 15: Was a little compact look like like a Okay, but

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when around the corner he was standing in the middle

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of the.

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Speaker 6: Road at what area on the Okay, this is when

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you mean mugs the hell out of me? Okay.

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Speaker 15: And I almost yelled hiro ound the window, like you

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asked whole or or somebody like why you know, he's

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like but it looked like he had a crossbow or something.

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And this was at what time of the morning, between

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ten thirty and eleven o'clock?

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Speaker 6: Okay, and I got him. I didn't really try to

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look at him.

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Speaker 15: Too much because, like you know, I'm like, this is

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just some redneck guy that's you know, just angry at

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the road or something.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: I didn't think much of it.

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Speaker 1: The man in camo with a crossbow was acting super

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weird and freaked out the civilian like a lot. What

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was this guy doing and why was he mean mugging him?

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Speaker 6: I didn't get that much. I tried to look at him,

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honest and he was alone. He was alone. Okay. So

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you didn't see any other vehicles in the area except Ford,

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and where was it at. It seemed like there was

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a dispute in the.

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Speaker 15: Campground earlier that morning and that escalat come flying out

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of that campground.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so it was all all the activity you saw

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is on this side. I don't know if it's helpful

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for you guys.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, And the ranger told me it was like you

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probably should tell it. That's what I'm telling I just okay, Well,

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we're going to help out, you know, be a good citizen.

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Speaker 6: No, you're fine. I will document the information that you've

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given me and put it in as or not. Well,

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any information that I gather is helpful.

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Speaker 1: Between the campground fight, the escalade that went screeching out

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of the parking lot, and the mysterious man in Camo,

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this was looking odd for the sleepy nature park of

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Kaiser Lake. But did it have anything to do with

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Whitney's murder. The police had to take every tip they could.

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Randy was at the center of all the rumors, and

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even his own brother thought he did it. Then his

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other brother, Rodney, came to the police after his ex

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wife told him that he had admitted to finding bloody

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items at the house. Rodney wasn't so excited to be

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talking to the cops. Neither should you ever.

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Speaker 6: I do have one other thing that I like to

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talk to you about.

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Speaker 16: I guess some information in regard to some items at

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the house. Okay, and uh, we received a contact indicating

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that you have an ex wife.

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Speaker 5: What's her name?

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Speaker 16: We got information that there's.

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Speaker 13: Potentially some items inside the house that pertain to the case.

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Speaker 6: What can you tell me about that?

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Speaker 8: Uh, there's.

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Speaker 5: Dumbbows in our room?

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Speaker 13: Okay, there's a metal stool.

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Speaker 16: What makes the metal stool significant? Looks like there's blood

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on Okay, did you call in that at all? You

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say her room. You're talking about Whitney's room. I can't

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tell if it's blood or if it's pop What is

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this metal stool?

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Speaker 17: Steps?

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Speaker 5: What color? Is it?

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Speaker 1: Yellow?

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Speaker 5: And rusty?

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Speaker 1: The step stool was hard metal and looked like it

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had blood on it. Rodney Jr. Also found another potentially

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bloody item.

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Speaker 2: Was a white castle cup that has the same brown

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stuff on top of it.

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Speaker 13: M And when did you find that?

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Speaker 5: Saturday?

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Speaker 16: This past Saturday? Where is it now?

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Speaker 5: Did you do anything with it?

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Speaker 13: Put it for safety in the safe?

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Speaker 6: What kind of a safe?

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Speaker 1: But the most important thing that he found was under

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Whitney's bed.

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Speaker 16: So there's also another item. What about the handwritten? How

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many pages was that Warner boy who altered that? Do

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you have a clue who wrote it?

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Speaker 3: As far as I know, Whitneys recursive?

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Speaker 16: What did it say that I cannot tell you?

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Speaker 5: I can't recursive?

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Speaker 1: Man, the school system is really failing us. Cursive is

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a lost art.

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Speaker 5: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Instead, learn how to type on a really tiny keyboard.

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Also learn Mandarin. Anyway, the letter was one page in

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Whitney's cute cursive handwriting. It was a list of Randy's

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00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,079
suspicious actions that she'd been keeping track of. Things like

482
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:46,200
Randy had been sleeping on the couch, he wouldn't cuddle

483
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:49,200
or say he loved the Whitney anymore. And she found

484
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,920
out that Randy had been leaving his GPS location on

485
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,079
so his new girlfriend would know where he was and

486
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,279
they could meet up when he wasn't at home with

487
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,640
his family. Well that's one use I hadn't thought of

488
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:05,720
for those tracking apps. But above all else, Randy's brother

489
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:10,400
David was also super concerned because Randy was trying to

490
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:11,720
now leave the state.

491
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:15,599
Speaker 3: Said, I tried talking to the dead. I can't remember

492
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,440
his name but that's what blows me away about Randy

493
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:23,400
not being looked at the way I said, we just

494
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:28,240
kind of feel he should be, and him being allowed

495
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:31,960
to leave the state and stuff like that has been

496
00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:33,279
kind of bothering us the most.

497
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 8: When he say he's leaving the state, where's he going?

498
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: He was trying to go to Kentucky yesterday. He was

499
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,240
trying to get one of our friends that we used

500
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,799
to work with that lives in Kentucky. Now he's got

501
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:51,440
a little border that lives in Ohio though, and he

502
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:54,880
was coming up to seem for the day or the weekend,

503
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,119
and Randy contacted him and was like, Hey, can he

504
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,599
take me back out of Tunky with you?

505
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,839
Speaker 1: So Randy was trying to skip down and these mysterious

506
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,160
videos kept coming back into play.

507
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: Well, there's several of these videos, and she even said

508
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:14,799
some of them. Randy states on the idea that he

509
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,200
did and then I'm on Randy states in the video

510
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,279
videos that mom and dad did it. My parents are

511
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:26,480
not bad people. They're not they They're the type of

512
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:28,640
people to give you the shirt off the back.

513
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 7: They've taken in.

514
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:35,519
Speaker 3: Friends of my brother, my older brother's, friends of mine.

515
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:39,039
I'm pretty sure they've taken in. Weren't you Randy's friends

516
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:44,079
at one point? They are nice people and it's just

517
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:47,079
just one of those things I don't I can't believe,

518
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:52,119
and I won't believe I was Randy, and I'm not

519
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,039
the only one. Even even besides our immediate family, like

520
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,519
my grandfather, grandparents, my older brother and sister. There are

521
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,759
people on the Champagne County Facebook page.

522
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 5: Where no.

523
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: Post was put. There are people in the comment session

524
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,559
that no Rainbe that I don't know, but no Rainby

525
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,559
and are saying Rainby did it.

526
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: The videos were going to be a bombshell, and the

527
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:23,400
police had to know what was said and how much

528
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:28,680
truth they held. Finally, they got a copy of one

529
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,400
of the recordings of Randy confessing to his friends what

530
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:37,960
he knew, and it was a much different story than

531
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,559
the rumors.

532
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:42,079
Speaker 13: So, dude, like what, you just walked into your fucking

533
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,640
house that morning and everybody was.

534
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 18: Already arguing.

535
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 13: I wasn't home by sixteen minutes.

536
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 5: She probably did.

537
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,319
Speaker 17: Before I told her.

538
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,799
Speaker 18: I'm not ready to go home, that I'm not ready

539
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:04,720
for this work for words, this is life changing. Not

540
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:09,599
even twenty minutes later, she started popping off one minutes.

541
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 13: After that, she probably did.

542
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,039
Speaker 1: Randy said that he came home after Eliza dropped him

543
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:19,680
off on September thirtieth and he heard his parents fighting

544
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:23,559
with Whitney in the other room. Twenty minutes later, Whitney

545
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:24,680
was dead.

546
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 6: Hmm.

547
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:27,839
Speaker 1: Interesting.

548
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,759
Speaker 18: I was going to let her leave with my daughter go.

549
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,279
Our mutual friend of ours has taken her to her

550
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:36,559
mom's house in Media. But she's been getting this Section

551
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,200
eight house for like the last six months, maybe one year, right,

552
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:44,359
And because of COVID, they have green light they Texas.

553
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,880
They texted me last week saying she got the green light.

554
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 5: She took.

555
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,799
Speaker 18: The day after the day after they killed her. She

556
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,720
was supposed to be event to her apartment. That friend

557
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:56,279
that was going to pick her up gave her a

558
00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:59,279
brand new furniture that time, and not even months old.

559
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:04,759
She had a whole house. But what it was was

560
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,000
her step I find that wouldn he raped her well,

561
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:14,160
doing shit and all that, And that's what proves.

562
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 13: Me about faith.

563
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:17,519
Speaker 18: Basically told me when we got on Tall, you know,

564
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,359
my mom's talking to her saying you love her, leave

565
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:20,880
that baby.

566
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:21,799
Speaker 13: That baby's gonna.

567
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,759
Speaker 18: Get snatched and rape and blah blah, blah, and I'm like,

568
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,400
you don't get in my life ever. And then when

569
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,839
it's convenient.

570
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 8: For you, you know, come right.

571
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 18: And I was like, look at you. He's sitting there

572
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:34,480
sucking in my face.

573
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 13: Talking.

574
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 18: You didn't think about hers face lager. I told him

575
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,720
I shouldn't dropped. I was one half breath away and

576
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:46,960
planting my following.

577
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: Randy said that he was going to let Whitney leave

578
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,000
with their daughter. She had an apartment set up and

579
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,799
he was willing to go with her, but then his mother, Valerie,

580
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,240
got involved. Valerie was concerned because Whitney had sexual abuse

581
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:06,400
in her family, and she was convinced that if Randy

582
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,039
and Whitney's daughter left the writer House, she too would

583
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:15,519
be abused. According to Randy's story, Valerie wanted to stop

584
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:20,119
Whitney from leaving just based on face value. What a

585
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,159
concoction that is?

586
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 18: I feel like I could love Tom. I started to

587
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,840
push a lot time. My dad got me to the

588
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,400
front door. I think right before he came out of

589
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,840
the room, I think she's as he went back to

590
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,679
pissed off from my little argument right there, and I

591
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,360
was sitting in a litter room with my daughter, not

592
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,360
even bought say that he came back out for a

593
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,360
different question to look on his face that I either

594
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,159
just did something I never thought i'd have to do,

595
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,039
or I have seen something I.

596
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 13: Thought i'd never seen.

597
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:54,119
Speaker 1: Randy said that Whitney Valerie and Rodney Senor were fighting

598
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,920
in another room while he sat on the couch with

599
00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:01,119
his daughter. Picture it see if if it makes any sense.

600
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,039
Speaker 3: And you're noodle.

601
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: When his dad came out, he had a look on

602
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,079
his face that scared the hell out of Randy.

603
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 18: I broke my hands out of my Das's hands, I

604
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,599
grabbed his and I said, what the fuck did you do?

605
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 13: He looked me down in my eye, And.

606
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,079
Speaker 18: That's the only reason I believe is probably my.

607
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 13: Mom is he said I didn't do anything, but he

608
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,880
said you need to leave, be gone for a few days.

609
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: Randy said that Rodney Senior pushed him out the door

610
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:30,159
and told him to get lost for a few days.

611
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:35,119
He left his daughter there and split some guy. Randy is,

612
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:38,840
I mean, what a dad father of the fucking year?

613
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,599
I would say, if any of this is true, that

614
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,239
is also why would you make up a lie that

615
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,159
makes you look worse?

616
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 18: What the fuck?

617
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:46,559
Speaker 3: Now?

618
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 18: It's a pretty simple answer. Right, So is her family

619
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,639
like not gonna let.

620
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 13: You see a kid anymore?

621
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:58,119
Speaker 18: They have no control over it, says right now. I

622
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,559
called him, the detective called me yesterday. That's only I

623
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:04,280
don't want her family to have her. I don't want

624
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,159
her family to have her.

625
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: Randy requested that his toddler be placed under the care

626
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,400
of CPS, an odd decision, but not if he was

627
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,840
planning on leaving the state, and not if he truly

628
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:24,079
knew that his parents were the ones who committed Whitney's murder. Still,

629
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,719
why not give her to Whitney's mother? Why the lack

630
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:34,400
of communication? Something was definitely not right. But Eliza's stepsister

631
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:38,719
and Eliza's ex boyfriend and father of her son had

632
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,400
come forward with some information that made Randy's story seem

633
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,039
like it actually might hold some truth.

634
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 19: So yesterday, right after my aunt's funeral, we all went

635
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:52,920
back to my grandma's house and my stepsister, Eliza, went

636
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:55,440
with us, and then she just left.

637
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,559
Speaker 13: I didn't even know she left.

638
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 19: And then after that, it was around two thirty three o'clock,

639
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,679
she messaged me and said, try to call Whitney.

640
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 12: And I don't know Whitney personally, I just know that

641
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,800
my sister was missing over my hot.

642
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 13: The Whitney's boyfriend.

643
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 19: So I told Whitney at one point, but she said,

644
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,880
try to call Whitney. And I was like why, blah

645
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,320
blah blah.

646
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,599
Speaker 5: She was like, just try to call her.

647
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 13: So I tried to call her off Facebook and it

648
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:19,880
just rang.

649
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 5: No one picked up, It just rang, And I told her.

650
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 19: She texted me and said any answer, and I said nope, and.

651
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 7: Then I let it go.

652
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,639
Speaker 1: Eliza's stepsister said that all this happened before they found

653
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:37,119
Whitney's body, so why was Eliza asking her to randomly

654
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:42,679
call Whitney. It was really weird. Then Eliza and Randy

655
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,039
called and started talking.

656
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 19: And she said Randy and her both said we think

657
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,000
that my mom did it, and I said, your mom

658
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:52,519
did what? We think that my mom killed her and.

659
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 11: I was like what.

660
00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,119
Speaker 1: So that's when Eliza's stepsister called Eliza's ex boyfriend, a

661
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:04,159
father of her children. She was creeped out and concerned

662
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,639
about this strange confession from Randy and Eliza.

663
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:09,519
Speaker 5: Oh.

664
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:12,039
Speaker 19: We sat down and I was like, I'm gonna call

665
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:13,880
I was gonna get more information to see what she

666
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:16,440
knows and I told him the video, and he has

667
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:20,719
a recording of them giving up every thing.

668
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: Well, not necessarily giving, but there acts an awful calm

669
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:26,280
for what's going on, you know what I mean, Like, right,

670
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,880
laughing about the mother's.

671
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:30,639
Speaker 13: Child's missing, and he's in a laughing matter.

672
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:33,119
Speaker 3: What right?

673
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:33,559
Speaker 5: Me?

674
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,199
Speaker 13: Me and Eliza an't together.

675
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,599
Speaker 18: I don't care about her.

676
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,519
Speaker 20: If she's to be missing, I'd be worried, sick just

677
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:39,920
for my daughter's sake in general.

678
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:42,119
Speaker 13: Right, he don't seem worried at all. That's what just

679
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,039
confuses me, because, Okay.

680
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:49,039
Speaker 12: Another thing, like Whitney and Randy were together, living in

681
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,440
the same househole and Randy was messing with Eliza, and

682
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:55,920
Eliza is like crazy obsessed with this.

683
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 13: Guy for some weird, uoply reason.

684
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:01,599
Speaker 12: Okay, when I was on the phone with them, before

685
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:05,000
we got any type of recording or anything, Randy said

686
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:08,000
that his mom looked him dead in the eyes and said, Randy,

687
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:08,719
go and hire.

688
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: The police were bogged down with rumors and secret video recordings.

689
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:19,280
The whole investigation was hinged on small town gossip. But

690
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,440
when Randy came down to the police station, he told

691
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,800
the same story that he had told his friends. He

692
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,480
came home from his girlfriend's house and heard his mother

693
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:33,079
and Whitney fighting in the bedroom. Then his father, Rodney,

694
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:35,880
came out with a terrified look on his face and

695
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:37,079
told him he had to go.

696
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 13: Okaid, where was mom talking in our room? Okay?

697
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,159
Speaker 21: So when I was sitting in the living room with airline,

698
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,599
you can look through like the little three.

699
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 22: Steps, you can look down into the dining room and

700
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:53,599
you can basically see the falls the door in front

701
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,559
of their room. Okay, And I feel like i'd seen

702
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:00,920
my dad come out from my our room, and that's when.

703
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 13: I watched him walk into I lost him walk all

704
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:03,519
the way up.

705
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 22: To me and from the dining room.

706
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 17: The first thing he did.

707
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:09,599
Speaker 22: I was sitting on the floor there and just talking.

708
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 13: To her, and he grabbed me on my wrist, pulled

709
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:13,719
me up.

710
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 17: He said, you need to go home now.

711
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,599
Speaker 2: He's like, you need to go now.

712
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 21: And I'm like, why, what's going on?

713
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:21,199
Speaker 17: You guys just can't tell me.

714
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 13: He said, you just need to fucking me dress me.

715
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 18: He's like, you just need to go now.

716
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 22: By this time, he probably got me all the way

717
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,760
up to the door to get my shoes on, and

718
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,039
I rarely got my shoes on.

719
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 13: He was so panicked he just kept repeating himself.

720
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: Whitney was supposed to be picked up by a friend

721
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that morning so she could start moving into her new apartment.

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When Valerie emerged from the bedroom, she was holding Whitney's

723
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:52,880
phone and asking her son to help her text Whitney's friend.

724
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 23: And then my mom come out with Whitney's phone and

725
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,519
I was like, I'm locked, and I knew she had

726
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:03,039
a lot of okay, even though I don't know the

727
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:06,719
past it, but she was already a large.

728
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 5: How do you know that? But I don't.

729
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 13: I didn't I know it was unlocked.

730
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Speaker 6: Did you see it?

731
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 13: Yeah, Mom showed it to me. She said that.

732
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,679
Speaker 21: When he had told her it's a message Eligen to

733
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,360
say not to come and pick them up, that she

734
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,039
didn't want to hear me tall, But I know from

735
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:29,760
where we were standing, and I kept trying to go

736
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,119
back and see what was going on because they there's

737
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,960
the way they switched their attitudes.

738
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Speaker 17: My dad went really angry at me.

739
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,559
Speaker 21: They really concerned, not really concerned for me.

740
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Speaker 13: But he looks like he just walked in and seen.

741
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,199
Speaker 21: Something that he probably never thought he'd ever seen, which

742
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,920
is what initially worried me that something happened.

743
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 13: So Mom was gonna message Elgin and tell him to

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00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:56,599
not come and.

745
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:57,119
Speaker 11: Pick them up.

746
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Speaker 1: Randy said that he knew something was up. He couldn't

747
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,119
hear Whitney anymore, and the color had drained from both

748
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:10,119
of his parents' faces. Still, Randy left as he was told.

749
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:14,039
He didn't take his daughter, he didn't check on Whitney.

750
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He just grabbed his work stuff and left. Twenty five

751
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:49,679
year old Whitney Hostler had been found strangled and then

752
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,280
dumped at the bottom of a ravine in the small

753
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,159
town of Urbana, Ohio. Whitney had been living with her boyfriend,

754
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:04,800
Randy Ryder, two year old daughter, and Randy's parents. It was,

755
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,519
after all, their house, but Randy had been cheating on

756
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:13,400
Whitney with another girl and had gotten her pregnant. Whitney

757
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:19,519
was devastated and subsequently had found an apartment to move into.

758
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,559
She told the writer family she was leaving, and that's

759
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:28,199
when things unraveled. Randy had been the one to alert

760
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,239
the police when Whitney was missing, but multiple people, including

761
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,880
his own brother, said that Randy was violent and entitled,

762
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:41,880
and they wouldn't be surprised if he had murdered Whitney anyway.

763
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,440
Randy's father, Rodney Sr. Spoke to the police as well.

764
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:51,239
He didn't have exactly the best things to say about

765
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,559
his son or the dead mother of his grandchildren Whitney

766
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:57,800
for that matter.

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Speaker 2: Whitney, in my opinion, loves that little girl as much

768
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:02,519
as anyway.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, but she I know for a fact that she

770
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:12,920
told Randy before they had her that if they were

771
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,079
going to try and have a baby, that he was

772
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:18,000
going to have to take care of her because she

773
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:19,719
wasn't doing it on her own.

774
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: Randy can go to work and.

775
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,079
Speaker 17: Work all night on friendship, Yeah, he can come.

776
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: Home and Whitney expects him to come in and stay

777
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,039
up and take care of the baby all day long.

778
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,159
Speaker 13: Yeah, while she goes to bed because she was up

779
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:42,039
all night off.

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00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,679
Speaker 2: Sitting outside easing one of the broken down cars out front,

781
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,840
or in one of the yard chairs out back, smoking

782
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,679
cigarettes and smoking marijuana.

783
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: So one appearing you can say is Whitney may have

785
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,320
loved that little girl, Whitney probably.

786
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,519
Speaker 13: It sounds to me he wouldn't be in the goddom

787
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:04,920
mother that Whitney needed to be to that.

788
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,079
Speaker 24: Little girl would that be a fair statement, because I

789
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:08,159
don't want the words in your mouth.

790
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,639
Speaker 13: YEA a fair statement.

791
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: But he did have a soft spot for Whitney despite

792
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,960
her maternal shortcomings. In twenty nineteen, Rodney Senior had gotten

793
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:22,599
sick and lost his job. Then Valerie had lost her job.

794
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,840
The family went from living in a six bedroom house

795
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,199
near town to a three bedroom house living on half

796
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,599
their previous income. Plus Rodney was sick. He had to

797
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:37,159
take daily shots for his condition, and Whitney acted as

798
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,840
his nurse when no one else could or would.

799
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:46,519
Speaker 13: So Whitney give me Mark Covid my load loaden shots.

800
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,239
So what you're saying, there's some good times with Whitney too.

801
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,519
Speaker 25: I've had a lot of good time in the wedding

802
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:55,960
wh Whitney come to our house blaem and said that

803
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:59,000
Randy's been telling her for years and years, which was zneian.

804
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:03,199
Valerie hated her, good stand her, didn't want her around

805
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,400
him and everything else.

806
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:06,519
Speaker 17: That's never better the truth.

807
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: Rodney also had a major soft spot for his granddaughter,

808
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,840
whom he and Valerie had basically raised from an infant,

809
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,480
since Whitney and Randy were young, incapable parents.

810
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:22,159
Speaker 13: I mean she's two years old, and you give her

811
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,000
a so phone and still say here and play with

812
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:25,039
that so phone.

813
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 17: Until she gives YouTube videos on and watches certain videos.

814
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 26: She's learned all her colors, she's learned times of ten,

815
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:37,920
all these YouTube videos, she's learning her shapes. So you're

816
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,679
scared for Oh, I'm scared to death for her because I.

817
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,159
Speaker 11: Know she's she's she's not.

818
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:51,079
Speaker 5: One. She's not she, she's the meaning.

819
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,079
Speaker 26: She's gonna be traumatized when she can't go to bed

820
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:55,519
without pop out.

821
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,119
Speaker 1: Valerie was also angry by the way Whitney and Randy

822
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:03,800
were pairing, and told police that they had raised their granddaughter.

823
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 6: We take care of her. What is that you have

824
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,000
to ask them?

825
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 25: Really?

826
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 13: I mean we've always taken care of her. Okay, things

827
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:25,519
she sleeps, or smokes or leaves or whatever. He does

828
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:26,079
the same thing.

829
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,679
Speaker 1: Valerie was adamant that she was the true mother to

830
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:36,760
her granddaughter. Nothing like a grandparent brawl. Just picture it

831
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,119
Jerry Springer style with walkers being hurled across the room.

832
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:43,800
That didn't happen, But it's still fun to think about

833
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:44,880
me or I.

834
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 27: Need to take care of her twenty four to seven.

835
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,719
You can ask for other kids.

836
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 13: You can ask my inlaws.

837
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:53,199
Speaker 5: We have her.

838
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: Valerie said that when Randy confided in her that he

839
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,360
was seeing another girl and had gotten her pregnant, she

840
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,119
knew it was the beginning of the end, but she

841
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:07,599
didn't want to lose her granddaughter. She didn't want Whitney

842
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:12,400
and the baby to go, especially the baby.

843
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 6: Though I said, we'll.

844
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 5: Make Granby leave. She's like, I'm not staying here.

845
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,159
Speaker 27: She's like, wells he leaves, I'm not staying.

846
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 13: I said, we will make him leave.

847
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,679
Speaker 27: I said, as long as she says, and you.

848
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,039
Speaker 13: Know, we can take care of her while you do whatever.

849
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 8: I said, then we'll do that.

850
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,679
Speaker 27: And she was sitting there on the bed and she

851
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,519
was crying and everything, and I mean, they fight and

852
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:41,599
she tricks him like shit, and he is an asshole,

853
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:46,360
you know, he does stupid shit. But I think that

854
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:50,960
she was still kind of expecting him to be there,

855
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,360
you know.

856
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 13: I mean, she told him that.

857
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 27: This was her apartment, and you know, she was gonna

858
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,519
she was getting a job and everything.

859
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,599
Speaker 13: But I think she was still expecting him to be

860
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,320
there and help and help with the baby and all that.

861
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:13,159
Speaker 17: And he told her flat out that she wasn't his responsibility, Whitney,

862
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:14,320
not the baby Jay.

863
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 5: He told Whitney.

864
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:17,039
Speaker 13: When did he tell her that?

865
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:18,559
Speaker 6: When morning?

866
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 11: Yeah?

867
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 13: Yeah, And I mean he told me that he flied out.

868
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 27: That was one of the reasons why he's been staying

869
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,119
away is to piss her off so that she would

870
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:30,840
get the hell out.

871
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 13: Okay, And I'm like, Raby your daughter.

872
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,159
Speaker 27: He's like, well, she's going to take her for a

873
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,119
month and then she's going to bring her back to me.

874
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:43,519
I said, she just stood there and screamed at you

875
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:45,840
and said that she's taking.

876
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 13: Her baby, that you are not getting her.

877
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:49,639
Speaker 8: Yeah.

878
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 5: I don't know what you're thinking his mind. Yeah, Now

879
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,480
what he thinks and what's reality is way two different things.

880
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: Valerie and Rodney stuck to the same story. Yeah, the

881
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,159
fight happened, but then some friend of Whitney's came and

882
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,000
picked her up and they never saw her again. But

883
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:16,159
the cops looked into that friend. It was the same

884
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,039
one that Randy said as mother was trying to text

885
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:24,440
from Whitney's phone. He never showed up, he never came over.

886
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:31,400
Whitney's mother told him not to. Allegedly, Plus, everyone has

887
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,599
a ring camera these days, even in rural Ohio, a

888
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,360
place where UFO sightings are common.

889
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:43,599
Speaker 13: So what happened to Whitney, mister opportunity?

890
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 23: She left?

891
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 5: We know she left.

892
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,559
Speaker 13: She took her stuff outside on port. She had her bag,

893
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,800
she had her jacket. I've been since.

894
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:08,079
Speaker 20: Lee fifty yesterday morning. Okay, I've worked all day. We've

895
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:10,960
all worked all day on this. I know she ain't

896
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,239
get in the car sway and leave. You happen to

897
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,480
look around at your neighborhood, Maybe see the surveillance cameras

898
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:20,519
in the ring doorbells.

899
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,199
Speaker 13: I mean, here's the thing. I know she ain't in

900
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,960
a burkendy car. I'm a room car in your dragway,

901
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:33,719
at the end of your dragway. I'm telling you, I'm

902
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,360
a straight shooter. I'm in a bullshit Yet it didn't happen.

903
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: That's when the cops pulled out pictures of Whitney's decomposing

904
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,159
body and slammed them on the table in front of Valerie.

905
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,559
She winced and turned away, her chubby arms wrapped tightly

906
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:50,360
around her body.

907
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,679
Speaker 24: Do you see these marks? Does her fingerprints? Do you

908
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,320
know what we can get from fingerprints? First of all,

909
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,360
we can take fingerprints off human skin, and we're working

910
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,400
on that right now. We can get DNA.

911
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 13: Off human skin and off clothing.

912
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:07,159
Speaker 5: That is.

913
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 7: Hurt.

914
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:11,639
Speaker 5: That is hurt.

915
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 11: Is Whitney.

916
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 26: Fast is Whitney.

917
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,519
Speaker 13: Whitney's laying dead at the bottom of a goddamn vine.

918
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:24,119
Do you think that I spent my entire day saying,

919
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,800
with my thumb and my ass tracking every spot where

920
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,360
you said you were at, checking for cameras, looking at cameras.

921
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 5: I know.

922
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 13: The car that passed you slowed down and passed you.

923
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 17: When you were doing this.

924
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 13: Guess what, I'm not stupid. Don't treat me like I'm stupid.

925
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: The cops had more evidence than Valerie expected, and she

926
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:56,079
was starting to crumble under the weight of it all,

927
00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:00,760
under the guilt. That's how they get you, with your

928
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,360
own guilt.

929
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 13: I want to be able to tell the judge or

930
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:07,280
to tell the prosecutor this is what happened.

931
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 5: Did you target her?

932
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:12,079
Speaker 13: Would you plan it out? Or was this the heat

933
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:16,079
of the moment? Thing you just lost the control? Was

934
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:16,800
it an accident?

935
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:19,159
Speaker 5: Yeah?

936
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 17: Okay, how did the accident happen?

937
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 27: She pushed me, She shoved me back into the door

938
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,559
because I asked her to leave the baby with us. Yeah,

939
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:31,480
I mean we've had her twenty four to seven.

940
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:33,679
Speaker 3: We understand that.

941
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 5: She said no, she said she's taking her.

942
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:38,639
Speaker 11: Yeah she did.

943
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:39,679
Speaker 3: She said she wasn't.

944
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,039
Speaker 21: We weren't going to see her anymore, especially since Randy

945
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,519
got the other one pregnant.

946
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 27: She shoved me into the door.

947
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:53,639
Speaker 6: She hit me because I kept telling her we have been.

948
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:54,519
Speaker 5: Taking care of her.

949
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 13: She doesn't like to go anywhere else. She just kept

950
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,039
screaming she didn't care.

951
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 3: She was hers, she wasn't.

952
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 5: She wasn't giving her a She hasn't taken care of

953
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:06,800
her at all.

954
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: So there it was a confession. Valerie killed Whitney because

955
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,159
she didn't want to lose her granddaughter.

956
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 11: Smart.

957
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: Then again, what do you expect in rural Ohio.

958
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Speaker 13: She was laying on the bed, okay, and I was

959
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:31,559
holding her, and yeah, I had I put my arm

960
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:34,880
around her and it went up because she moved and

961
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:35,760
she tried.

962
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 24: To hit me off and everything.

963
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 13: And that was I mean, I must have.

964
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 10: Squeeze too hard or something because I heard her.

965
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 6: I don't know. It wasn't a gag or call or whatever.

966
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 2: It was just like a.

967
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 5: I don't even know.

968
00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 13: It wasn't a what would you consider natural sound right, Yeah,

969
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,039
it was like like almost like a growl or something.

970
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,519
Speaker 1: Valerie confessed that while Rodney and the baby slept in

971
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:13,280
the other room, she fought with Whitney and strangled her

972
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,199
with her arms until she growled and died.

973
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 27: I was sitting there shaking at first because I was

974
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:22,920
freaking out.

975
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 13: And where's Rodney Senior?

976
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:26,679
Speaker 5: During this time?

977
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 23: He was in the bedroom with the baby.

978
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,199
Speaker 13: Sleep or waiting. I think he was asleep.

979
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 27: And I went and woking up because I tried like

980
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,079
shaking her and everything.

981
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,079
Speaker 13: And did you call nine one one and asked for help?

982
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,079
Speaker 8: I was freaking out. I had grabbed her.

983
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 6: I did that.

984
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 13: So what point did you put the plastic bag over?

985
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:55,760
And scurriled the ductee? It was before Rodney came in,

986
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,800
wasn't it? Why put the plastic bag over?

987
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:03,159
Speaker 17: Did she not want to see her face anymore?

988
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:08,039
Speaker 1: Thatn After she killed Whitney, Valerie panicked and put a

989
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:11,440
dark plastic bag over her head, securing it tightly with

990
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:15,719
duct tape. Then she went and got her husband. She

991
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,440
said that she kept thinking about her granddaughter. She didn't

992
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,960
want to call nine one one because she didn't want

993
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:22,679
to lose the baby.

994
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 13: He was fruked.

995
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 19: He actually was passed out.

996
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 13: What did he say when he saw it?

997
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 19: Him?

998
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:32,639
Speaker 13: And he's like, what did you do?

999
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:34,079
Speaker 19: What happened?

1000
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 5: What did you tell him?

1001
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:38,639
Speaker 27: I told him, I said she started screaming at me,

1002
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,480
trying to get past me.

1003
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:42,199
Speaker 23: She was going for the baby.

1004
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:43,079
Speaker 5: She was laming.

1005
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: Valerie said that she had Rodney pulled the truck around.

1006
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,119
They stuffed Whitney into a large Duffel bag and threw

1007
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:53,960
her into the bed of the truck. Then Valerie and

1008
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:57,719
Rodney's other son came home. They made him some food

1009
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,199
and acted like everything was normal. And that night they

1010
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,599
packed up their granddaughter in the truck and tried to

1011
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:08,039
find a place to dump Whitney. They struggled for a

1012
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:12,159
while until they remembered the Kaiser Lake ravine.

1013
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,639
Speaker 13: So whose idea was it to dump her down the ravine?

1014
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,320
How did you get her out of the packet? Did

1015
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,440
Rodney help you do that?

1016
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:24,679
Speaker 5: I just pulled her out.

1017
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 8: I went down.

1018
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 17: Who helped you get her out of the truck?

1019
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:28,599
Speaker 5: Right?

1020
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:30,119
Speaker 13: You did it by yourself?

1021
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:33,119
Speaker 10: Was in the truck?

1022
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,679
Speaker 13: Okay, I'm can I ask you a question? Okay, this

1023
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,719
wound that's on the bottom of the chin there's a

1024
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,519
there's a laceration under there that looks like seepings of blood.

1025
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 18: You see it.

1026
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,039
Speaker 13: Did you drag when she came out? Was she face down?

1027
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:50,519
Speaker 7: No?

1028
00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 13: And I knew you dragged her across the lawn to

1029
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:57,280
roll her over. There's a law there, Remember that I

1030
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,320
got stuck. She shove her word of the ravine. How

1031
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,440
far did she go? Maybe halfway?

1032
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:05,519
Speaker 5: So?

1033
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:06,519
Speaker 13: Did you climbed down it?

1034
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 6: I had to go down.

1035
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:13,639
Speaker 13: That's a elvastin ravine. Did you have any trouble getting down?

1036
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 3: Her?

1037
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 5: Down?

1038
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:16,719
Speaker 3: Now? Up?

1039
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:17,519
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1040
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 13: So she goes halfway down? You climbed down? Did you

1041
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,679
drag her? Did your carry her from there?

1042
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 5: I pulled her.

1043
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: Up?

1044
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:29,119
Speaker 13: And you thought she was far enough in to be

1045
00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:31,639
secluded or what? It was dark.

1046
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: That's when a car drove by. Valerie saw the lights

1047
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,159
and Rodney yelled at her. She got scared and stayed put,

1048
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:44,760
breathing heavily. Then she waddled herself back into the truck

1049
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,400
and they left. As they pulled into their driveway, the

1050
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:55,320
sheriff pulled up behind them. Valerie's heart stopped. You see,

1051
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:58,800
during the time they had been dumping Whitney down the ravine,

1052
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:03,480
Rodney had made that call to the police and reported

1053
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:07,159
Whitney missing. Ironic, isn't it?

1054
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,239
Speaker 5: There wasn't I mean, because he pulled in and the

1055
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,159
sheriff pulled in behind us.

1056
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 23: I told him it was my fault.

1057
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 17: I should have stayed away from her, because.

1058
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 13: It was your fault. You should have stayed away from him.

1059
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 5: What I told him, I was sorry.

1060
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: After two separate trials, Valerie was found guilty of murder,

1061
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:44,880
felonious assault, tampering with evidence, gross abuse of a corpse,

1062
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,719
and three counts of possession of criminal tools. That's a

1063
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,079
new one. I haven't heard that one before. Possession of

1064
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:59,760
criminal tools. So to me, that says you can't own cutlery.

1065
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:01,599
What a weird law?

1066
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: Ohio?

1067
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: Can you own a flashlight? What about a crowbar? They

1068
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:11,360
got to title that one a little better anyway. Valerie

1069
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:17,119
is now serving twenty one years in prison. Her husband, Rodney,

1070
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:19,880
was sentenced to thirty six months in prison and parole

1071
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:24,639
for three years. Their son, Randy, for some reason, was

1072
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,639
never charged or held responsible for Whitney's death, even though

1073
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:30,800
if you step back and look at the whole thing,

1074
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:36,719
it's mostly his fault the entire scenario. He didn't do

1075
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,800
anything to protect his own child from the mother he's

1076
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,440
known his entire life. He knew what they had done

1077
01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:46,679
and kept quiet about it, at least for a while.

1078
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:51,039
But I guess he was the most moral person in

1079
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:54,440
the story, and apart from, you know, protecting his own

1080
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:57,519
child from the mother that he's known his entire life.

1081
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:03,239
According to his girlfriend Eliza's Facebook page, they are still

1082
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,920
happily together today and have a few more kids. The

1083
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,320
whereabouts of the daughter he shared with Whitney, whom Valerie

1084
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,039
was so determined to keep in her care that she

1085
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:20,239
turned to murder is unknown. Valerie will be seventy three

1086
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,400
when she gets out of jail, and she'll still be

1087
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:28,480
a grandmother. She'll get her life back, but she'll never

1088
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:32,320
get to see that baby girl ever again, the one

1089
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:38,719
whose mother she murdered. That's over. You did that, Valerie.

1090
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:40,119
Speaker 6: No one else.

1091
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: Babies having babies. That's where we're at in society in

1092
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,800
twenty twenty four, and that's what this all boils down to, reactive,

1093
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:57,719
emotional idiots putting their own feelings above all else. Maybe

1094
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,599
Whitney wasn't ready to be a mother, Maybe she shouldn't

1095
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:05,519
have been, and maybe Randy wasn't ready to be a

1096
01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:09,559
father either. Maybe he should have quit while he was

1097
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:14,239
ahead instead of looking for more strange As they say,

1098
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,679
Valerie and Rodney thought they were helping by taking care

1099
01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:22,880
of their granddaughter, But what they were doing was enabling

1100
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:28,840
the terrible choices that their son had made, the choices

1101
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,880
that he made, I might add, after they raised him

1102
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,039
in a way, they were enabling their own bad behavior.

1103
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:41,119
They were meddling, and really what choice did they have

1104
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:45,960
in the matter. But that child became a contentious pawn

1105
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:50,440
in the Writer household instead of the innocent human being

1106
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,519
that she is. Whitney was never given a chance to

1107
01:02:54,639 --> 01:02:58,119
prove that she could mother her baby without Valerie and

1108
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:03,079
Rodney enabling her to still act like a child. Maybe

1109
01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:06,039
if she had moved out on her own with her daughter,

1110
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,480
all the stresses of life and all the consequences that

1111
01:03:10,639 --> 01:03:14,199
come with it. Maybe if she was alone under her

1112
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:17,480
own roof and forced to grow up, to mature in

1113
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:20,079
the real world and do what she needed to do

1114
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:23,360
to raise her daughter. Because when you have no choice,

1115
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,039
you gotta do what you gotta do. You got to

1116
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:29,159
grow the fuck up. If you're never given the chance,

1117
01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:33,559
you never do. I think this is pretty common sense,

1118
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,760
is it not? Am I the crazy one? Perhaps? Perhaps?

1119
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:42,679
But Whitney never got the opportunity to find out because

1120
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,960
Valerie Writer thought she was the Mama Bear, the one

1121
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:52,000
with all the answers, the virtuous mom, the one we

1122
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:55,000
all celebrate with greeting cards every year and all the

1123
01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:01,039
propaganda that comes with it. Despite all this, did not

1124
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:07,199
respect Whitney as a woman. She saw her as a child,

1125
01:04:08,039 --> 01:04:14,039
and when the situation became unbearable, Valerie did the unthinkable

1126
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:43,199
and over corrected for her failure as a mother. So

1127
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,920
that's gonna do it for another Sword and Scale thank

1128
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,000
you so much for joining us once again. If you're

1129
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:54,360
in the market for more true crime, I highly highly

1130
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:58,360
suggest checking out Sword and Scale Daily, our morning news

1131
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:01,840
show five days of week. We also have a little

1132
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,000
show called Sword and Scale Nightmares, which a lot of

1133
01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:04,519
you enjoy.

1134
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 19: Well.

1135
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:10,199
Speaker 1: That's available just about everywhere. And also do not forget

1136
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:15,679
the latest episode of Sword and Scale Television with the

1137
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,840
story of a young man named Jordan DeMay. This is

1138
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:24,360
a pretty awful story because it's a clear example of

1139
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:31,519
how evil looks everywhere, especially in your pocket. So definitely

1140
01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:35,639
a good one to check out parents anyway, enjoy stay safe,