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<v Speaker 1>All right, Thursday, show rolling along, beautiful day outside. We

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<v Speaker 1>have turned our calendars to May. Happy Thursday to you.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been a while because he's a very busy man,

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<v Speaker 1>and also he's really not allowed to hang out with me,

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<v Speaker 1>but we got him live in studio for an entire hour.

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<v Speaker 1>The editor of the sports section from the saw Lake Tribune,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Falk, Happy Thursday, sir. How are you. I'm great.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you, Spencer? I'm great. It's great to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're a busy guy, so thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Yeah, I'm breaking my restraining order by seeing you. Hey, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I doubt she listens, So I think you're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to see what Aeron looks like, log

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<v Speaker 1>onto YouTube. We had Chris Camarannie liven studio yesterday sitting

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<v Speaker 1>where you're at. You're good, buddy, all right, Aaron? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Nice two thumbs up. K typically wears the shirt of

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<v Speaker 1>the picture of you from Talking Sports. Yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>a nice touch.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta I gotta pull out some of my my

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<v Speaker 2>specific Camarani merch next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a specific K shirt?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've got I've got I've got ck merchant. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a period of time time where I think that

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<v Speaker 2>was our that was our love language.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Humiliated each other with custom T shirts and in all

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<v Speaker 2>of our friends, not just Camaranie and I. It was

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<v Speaker 2>it was too expensive and we spent way too much

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<v Speaker 2>money doing this, but we did it for two or

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<v Speaker 2>three years.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was a long time. You have a

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<v Speaker 1>face swap of Kyle Goon, is it TJ? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, yeah, exactly, many things like that. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>weird things, you know, stuck on planes, playing with your phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Dumb things happened, and and and we made merch and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we made memories really.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what it's all about. What what is your

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<v Speaker 1>love language? By the way, eron peace and quiet? Quiet? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that is that one? Because if that's one, I

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<v Speaker 1>finally figured mine out. No, you know, I think you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're going to answer honestly, quality time, quality time, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>love it. Well, we're about to spend some quality time together, Aaron.

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<v Speaker 1>The easy thing to do today is to look at

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<v Speaker 1>the Utah Jazz roster from twenty twenty one and see

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan Mitchell, who's about to be a first team All

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<v Speaker 1>NBA Player and will even get some MVP votes. He

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<v Speaker 1>might finish third or fourth. It's probably gonna be Shay

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<v Speaker 1>then Jokic. To look at Rudy Gobert, who just had

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<v Speaker 1>potentially the best postseason game he's ever had last night.

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<v Speaker 1>It helps that it was against the Lakers, so the

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<v Speaker 1>world was watching. And then Mike Conley hit a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of dagger threes. To be fair, Mike his age a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, but he was really good last night. George

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<v Speaker 1>Nyang had a good season. Then there there's the boy

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<v Speaker 1>on Bogdanovitch's of the world. The easy thing to do

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<v Speaker 1>today is to say, wow, did you blow it by

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<v Speaker 1>breaking that group down in Salt Lake City, Utah, where

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to get talent. Okay, that's the easy thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do today. What's the fair thing to say about

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<v Speaker 1>that entire process?

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about this and I do think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, okay, sure, George Nang had a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>had some moments. Like you said, Mike looked, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>looked better last night than than he has throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>last little bit as he's gotten a little bit older.

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<v Speaker 1>But both of these.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, both Rudy and Donovan went to better teams than

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<v Speaker 2>I think would have existed in Salt Lake. And so

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<v Speaker 2>if you are, you know, a believer in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're living for the now and playoffs is a good time,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know we have two star level players and

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<v Speaker 2>truthfully may not achieve a duo like that anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 2>I can you know you I think you have a

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<v Speaker 2>fair argument to be frustrated and say, hey, we should

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<v Speaker 2>have been a playoff team. We should have given ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>a few bites at this and maybe maybe you get

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<v Speaker 2>lucky and break through. But I think if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at it realistically, the talent that that Rudy has around

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<v Speaker 2>him in Minnesota is better than a Rudy Donovan team

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<v Speaker 2>was here. And I think the talent that Donovan has

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<v Speaker 2>around them in Cleveland is better than a Rudy Donovan

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<v Speaker 2>team would have been here. I mean, no disrespect to

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<v Speaker 2>the Royce O'Neills of the world. And you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>boy On has not bet you know, it's not the

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<v Speaker 2>person that boy On was when he had the surgery

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<v Speaker 2>in the bubble that that pandemic season. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that that cast of players matches either one of

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<v Speaker 2>those teams and I don't think that there were a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of avenues for bringing in that kind of talent.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's no Garland coming, there's no Julius Randall

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<v Speaker 2>coming on the other end. And you know, even if

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<v Speaker 2>even if you say that Donovan is as good as

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<v Speaker 2>ant or or whatever, I just don't think that you

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<v Speaker 2>have the cast that supports either of them the way

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<v Speaker 2>that they do in their current situations.

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<v Speaker 1>The fair and well said. So I'll reduce it to

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<v Speaker 1>a question, do you think because you know, for for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, Dennis Lindsay meets with a new ownership group

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<v Speaker 1>the consultant, essentially, pay out my contract and I'll exit

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<v Speaker 1>States left and wear leather jackets and such. Quinn himself

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<v Speaker 1>said no pathway forward. So the decision to break that

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<v Speaker 1>team down brick by brick essentially was Danny's right, and

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<v Speaker 1>probably Jay Z as well a little bit, who was

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<v Speaker 1>still part of the equation. Do you think it was

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<v Speaker 1>the right call in retrospect?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so, And I think even even if you

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<v Speaker 2>even if we you know, take what I just said

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe you disagree, and maybe you think that that

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<v Speaker 2>cast is as good as one of those teams.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe no, I think you're correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but for the sake of argument, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>those two guys had real issues with each other obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, sometimes you got to break up and

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, maybe maybe you could say, hey, if

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<v Speaker 2>you stick together for another seven six seven years, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everything heals over, we've got scars, we move on. I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't think that you get there very quickly. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that both of those guys are in better

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<v Speaker 2>places because of a breakup. And so I do think

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately right choice doesn't mean that it's not doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>that it's not painful, and doesn't mean that that that's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna be the high watermark for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that very well. Maybe as good as it

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<v Speaker 2>gets for ten or twenty years, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you know, it's funny because and this is

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit at apples and oranges, and it's always

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous to compare eras and different operating styles of eras

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<v Speaker 1>and the way teams have to go about their business,

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly the uniqueness of John Stockton and Karl Malone,

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<v Speaker 1>who stayed in our market for basically twenty years. But

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<v Speaker 1>John Stockton and Carl Malone were together for eleven and

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<v Speaker 1>twelve years before they went to the finals. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty eight, John and Carl Mark eaton Bobby Hanson,

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<v Speaker 1>that group they take Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, that

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<v Speaker 1>Laker team to seven games and almost beat them. And

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<v Speaker 1>that was kind of the NBA's wake up call, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that team in Saltag's pretty good. Next year, Terry Tegal,

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<v Speaker 1>a random cast of Golden State Warriors sweep them. So

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<v Speaker 1>if Scott Laden decided in nineteen eighty nine pulling the plug,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't get it done to the playoffs, that takes

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<v Speaker 1>away seven eight years later of when they actually go

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<v Speaker 1>to the finals. Right. Do you see the parallel here?

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<v Speaker 1>So look again, this is a little bit unfair because

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<v Speaker 1>we can again be reductive and say one person blew

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing up, and he's playing in Cleveland. This

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<v Speaker 1>was a Donovan Mitchell, I don't want to live in

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<v Speaker 1>Salt Lake anymore. Summer at George Floyd Black Lives Matter

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<v Speaker 1>kind of finds his voice, which is fine, you know, Almo,

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<v Speaker 1>no issue with it. We have a was it a

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Adams or whatever who tells Donovan get educated. Like

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing, the way it went down, has to

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<v Speaker 1>be talked about in order to be fair. But there

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<v Speaker 1>is a space in my mind that exists, Like Donovan

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<v Speaker 1>had two years left on his deal, and you say

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<v Speaker 1>to him, you're under contract, you play for us, and

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<v Speaker 1>then maybe for two more years, you try to convince

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<v Speaker 1>him that he can win here. And if somehow that happens,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Rudy and Donovan learned the lessons John and Carl

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<v Speaker 1>do for the next seven or you understand what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>extremely hypothetic and you can only misbehave like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you get to that place and you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>you get to the end of a contract and you

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<v Speaker 2>basically lose all your leverage and you don't get package

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<v Speaker 2>back for for Donovan or for Rudy.

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<v Speaker 1>Rudy ages out.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you know, something happens and you know, butterfly flaps

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<v Speaker 2>its wings and not her fly and here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I think I think that it makes

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<v Speaker 2>sense on paper to have done what they did. It

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<v Speaker 2>hurts the heart of people who want to watch quality basketball,

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<v Speaker 2>right because it was not a season to pay attention to.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you're if you watched all eighty two

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<v Speaker 2>of those, you're a Sickoh good for you. But there

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<v Speaker 2>was no reason to be invested in what was happening

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<v Speaker 2>on that court in any meaningful way this year. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you're hurt, I completely understand, but I think on paper,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the strategically sound thing to do, knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>you might not get those packages back.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, one more thing here, let's operate off the hypothetical again.

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<v Speaker 1>We can misbehave on sports socc creatio in a way

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<v Speaker 1>you can elsewhere. Let's say Danny sits Alan Donovan and

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<v Speaker 1>all right, it's clear than in two years you're leaving.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so we're gonna trade you to your point

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<v Speaker 1>because if you don't trade, I mean he leaves in

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<v Speaker 1>two years for nothing, you get Gordon Hayward all over again,

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<v Speaker 1>which sets your franchise back. The Mitchell trade brought Colin

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<v Speaker 1>Sexton Lowry marketing Ochai Obaji, who by the way, played

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<v Speaker 1>well in Toronto this year, and three first round picks

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<v Speaker 1>and two pickswaps. What if you do the Mitchell trade

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<v Speaker 1>and you hang on to go Bear and suddenly your

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<v Speaker 1>starting lineup is Gobert Lowry marketing boy, Am Bogdanovich, Mike Conley,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Clarkson whatever, and Obaji the other piece

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<v Speaker 1>is Colin Sections brought in what does that look like?

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<v Speaker 1>And Quinn decides, okay, I'll stay there's a pathway forward

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<v Speaker 1>because we're not completely rebuilding.

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<v Speaker 2>Or or Quinn doesn't. I mean, you know, there there's

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<v Speaker 2>a chance there that that, you know, Quinn Snyder a

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<v Speaker 2>good NBA coach, great maybe great NBA coach, he runs

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<v Speaker 2>into a situation where you know your voice doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 2>the same, you know, you lose a locker room a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, or you just need you just need to

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<v Speaker 2>shake things up. So maybe maybe there's another piece there

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<v Speaker 2>where if it's not Will Hardy, it's somebody else who

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<v Speaker 2>comes in and can uh take over and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>give you a little bit more energy in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I mean I agree, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think those are our good teams. Again, probably not

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<v Speaker 2>a championship level team. And you also run the risk

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<v Speaker 2>and respect, but does get it either exploited or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>All the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure last night was great, but so far, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and to be fair about last night, he was

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like they were throwing it to Rudy on

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<v Speaker 1>nine offense. Look, he was awesome, but it was against

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<v Speaker 1>a team that went completely small. Let's see, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>one more thing here, because every time I like, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota just won a first round playoff series. They did

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Washington the last time that they were decent.

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<v Speaker 1>one of those markets that's spinning their wheels for fourteen, fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen years, we've just been spoiled because we've never had

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<v Speaker 1>that happen. It's commonplace in pro basketball to have decades,

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<v Speaker 1>no playoff basketball, no playoff success. And it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>from like nineteen ninety nine to twenty thirteen, fourteen were

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<v Speaker 1>a joke. Is there a fear underlying fear in this market? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>And the dirty little secret is they're not Cooper Flag

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<v Speaker 1>away from even being good, like they're a long way

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you know, there there probably needs to

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<v Speaker 2>that number, they think we did we did the hard work,

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<v Speaker 2>we did the dirty work, and now Cooper Flag is

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<v Speaker 2>the next step. Those numbers are not in your favor. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you gave yourself the best chance possible fourteen percent. There's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a lot of you know, there's the potential

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<v Speaker 2>high higher potential where a lot of disappointed fans when

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<v Speaker 2>when those ping pong balls are read out. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so to your point, absolutely, okay, see incredible rebuild. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to be more rare than they liar that. Yeah, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it could be a long time and if

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<v Speaker 2>they don't get Cooper Flag, or maybe even if they do,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's going to be a lot like this

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<v Speaker 2>next year. You know, and you look at you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what Hinky did in Philly and the number of they

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<v Speaker 2>got number ones out of that or you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>those didn't always pan out either. So, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just there isn't a magic way to get this done,

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<v Speaker 2>but through the pain. I think you know there is potential,

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<v Speaker 2>but there could be a lot of pain before.

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<v Speaker 1>We get there. You got to have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>luck fall your way. I know you were not working

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<v Speaker 1>with the team when the deconstruction happened, But what's your

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of just how how bad a guy with Donova

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes? Why? Because look a lot of attention

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<v Speaker 1>this year in the NBA, like, how could Nico Harrison

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<v Speaker 1>trade a twenty five year old superstar in his prime?

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<v Speaker 1>That never happens? Happened here? Donovan's not Luca, but it

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<v Speaker 1>happened here and in Salt Lake. When you have a

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<v Speaker 1>talent like that, you've got to do everything you can

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<v Speaker 1>to hang on to him, which has to indicate behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes, it got harry, it got bad. What's your

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of how that went down?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I don't know all the ins and outs,

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<v Speaker 2>but certainly there was very real frustration intension with between

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<v Speaker 2>Donovan and Rudy, and certainly, you know, as Donovan voiced

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<v Speaker 2>himself and felt more comfortable saying after leaving, he obviously

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<v Speaker 2>had real problems with how he was treated while he

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<v Speaker 2>lived in the state, by politicians, by you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>just maybe just perception even but so no, I think

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<v Speaker 2>definitely a real problem. And yeah, again I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>all the ins and outs, but that's somebody. But people

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<v Speaker 2>with the best information thought that was the best move.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go. Sure, And I always try to

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<v Speaker 1>be very sensitive to dynamics that I don't understand. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a white man who lives in Salt Lake. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it's like to be a black man living

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<v Speaker 1>in Salt Lake when I think it's two point seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent of our city as African American. So it's easy

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<v Speaker 1>for me to say and I am going to say

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<v Speaker 1>this because I felt like Donovan walked on water here.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, there was the Stewart Adams dumb thing. Say, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I don't know, Like I said, I'm not Donovan.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't relate to that experience. But from my vantage point,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like people loved Donovan Mitchell here in Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's true, you know, and and certainly, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people love Donovan Mitchell the athlete and the success that

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<v Speaker 2>that he brought and the joy that he brought to

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<v Speaker 2>a fan base. I you know, again, I'm with you,

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<v Speaker 2>white guy living in Salt Lake City, I can imagine

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<v Speaker 2>that it would be tough to be, you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>in that grade of a minority and not see many

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<v Speaker 2>people who look like you and feel that maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you are whether whether it's real organ perception that feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you're being you know, judged or watched, or that

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<v Speaker 2>the weight is on you. And there are people who

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<v Speaker 2>study these things that feel that, you know, say like

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<v Speaker 2>there is a level of pressure that somebody in that situation,

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<v Speaker 2>star athlete, you know, or or a voice for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a minority group feels and and has to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like a process and deal with that goes beyond what

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<v Speaker 2>we can what we can understand. So I think that

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's that's a real thing. I mean again,

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<v Speaker 2>hard to hard to know, hard to know, whether you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're you're you're putting maybe some thoughts into Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>yes you're cheering me in the arena, but based on

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<v Speaker 2>the policies that get voted into in the state, based

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<v Speaker 2>on what people say about other things, you know, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know you're not saying this to me, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying this about someone who is like me, or looks

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<v Speaker 2>like me, or things like me.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see how that que be frustrate. Yeah, very fair,

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<v Speaker 1>good perspective. The other last thing here, The other thing

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<v Speaker 1>is Donovan's generation. He's twenty eight now, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, twenty six when he left here. It's easy

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<v Speaker 1>for me to say, don't look at your mentions, or

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<v Speaker 1>get off get off Twitter, get off Instagram, stop reading

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<v Speaker 1>direct messages. This generation behind us, Aaron, they were raised

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<v Speaker 1>with cell phones and social media as their friends and

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<v Speaker 1>their babysitters in a way that we just weren't. So

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<v Speaker 1>I never look at my mentions. I've got my direct

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<v Speaker 1>messages open on Instagram. If people send me something decent,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll interact, and otherwise I ignore it. But the social media

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<v Speaker 1>backlash that he took here in the state after he

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<v Speaker 1>started speaking up, it's easy for me to say, don't

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<v Speaker 1>read it, but they all read it. I mean, coaches

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<v Speaker 1>in the NBA talk about going in to the locker

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<v Speaker 1>room at halftime to give a speech and all the

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<v Speaker 1>players have their phone looking like looking at their mentions.

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<v Speaker 1>That probably didn't help the way that he seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be attacked online after he started kind of expressing his views,

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and you know the old it's the switcheroo there,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you think about yeah, okay, so we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about all the negative that comes from that. But

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<v Speaker 2>for huge, for years, you know, from from probably high school,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe before high school into Louisville into the earliest days,

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<v Speaker 2>he was getting tons of positive feedback. You know, brain

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<v Speaker 2>is fire ring good, good, good, yeah, good. And then

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, like the thing that you know

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<v Speaker 2>has given you a bunch of very positive reinforcement in

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<v Speaker 2>your in your life collapses on you. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it takes a while to break a habit. If that's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's hard, hard to put away the mentions.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, One more thing here, because you were I

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<v Speaker 1>still I can't believe you had this experience. You were

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<v Speaker 1>How do you think COVID changed them? How do you

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<v Speaker 1>think COVID changed that group? Because I'll always maintain obviously

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<v Speaker 1>COVID changed a lot of things, and basketball is not

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<v Speaker 1>the most important thing. But how did the COVID experience

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<v Speaker 1>change that group? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think definitely there was you know, whatever differences

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<v Speaker 2>that Donovan and Rudy had uh. There here was another

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<v Speaker 2>point of frustration, you know, Donovan believing that Rudy got

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<v Speaker 2>him sick early on in the initial days of a pandemic,

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<v Speaker 2>when you didn't know what that meant for, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody like Donovan, you know, because you know, would it

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<v Speaker 2>impact him as an athlete? Would it impact you know? Again,

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<v Speaker 2>so so here's someone who's already under your skin, and

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<v Speaker 2>now you're blaming them for putting you in a situation

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<v Speaker 2>that you really really don't want to be in. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think watching that and watching you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the restart, there was sort of a chilling.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they did try to bridge things, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe there was a chance, a great reset that

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<v Speaker 2>the pandemic there give us all right, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>lose because because Mike Conley, smart guy planned a pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 2>uh with this with his wife to happen during the

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<v Speaker 2>NBA season. But the nb off season becomes the playoffs, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and he goes back home and you know, throws off

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<v Speaker 2>a little rhythm there because boy Bogdanovitch gets hurt and

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<v Speaker 2>choke away what should have been an easy seemed an

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<v Speaker 2>easy win over the over that Nuggets team at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe if you win, maybe if you if you

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<v Speaker 2>make a run to the conference finals or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>even in the bubble, maybe that sets you up for

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<v Speaker 2>more success and a chance to go over. But you take, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we've we've just lost. We don't we don't have that taste.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we come back and you know, get run out

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<v Speaker 2>of the building early on, vibes are very very down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, five years ago that you were in that bubble.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wild to consider, isn't it truly insane? And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're so I feel like it's just like it's the

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<v Speaker 1>depression for us or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, like we have to talk about it. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>central point in everything. And then there's just people that

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<v Speaker 2>don't care. It's not gonna bother them anymore. Let it go,

421
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<v Speaker 2>and I'm trying to get to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Place there you go, Yeah, let go, let gout in

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<v Speaker 1>all right, coming up tomorrow, excited for this. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be out in about at the former Legacy Center. This

425
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<v Speaker 1>is a legacy fulfilled, a milestone forty years in the

426
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<v Speaker 1>making will be realized tomorrow. The location is one oh

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<v Speaker 1>nine six zero South Park Road in South Jordan. It's

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<v Speaker 1>their grand opening. We're gonna have a ribbon cutting that

429
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<v Speaker 1>starts at eleven am. The event itself goes from eleven

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<v Speaker 1>AM to three, but we're going to be there until

431
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<v Speaker 1>six So ribbon cutting ceremony, tours the new facility, appearances

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<v Speaker 1>by local leaders, dignitaries and sports personalities. Former Legacy Center

433
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<v Speaker 1>is going to serve as a hub for amateur boxing,

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<v Speaker 1>youth mentorship, and community health programming, including fitness boxing for women, seniors,

435
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<v Speaker 1>and individuals living with Parkinson's. So come on by, of course,

436
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<v Speaker 1>the legends themselves, Gene Jay and Don Fomer. It is

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<v Speaker 1>the legacy fulfilled, the grand opening of the Former Legacy

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<v Speaker 1>Center at one O nine zero one O nine six

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<v Speaker 1>zero South Park Road in South Jordan. All right, tusks

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<v Speaker 1>up coming up next on the program, so keep it

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<v Speaker 1>here on ESPN seven hundred. So listeners of the program

442
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<v Speaker 1>and also friends of mine, know that I'm a massive,

443
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<v Speaker 1>massive fan of the greatest reality TV show of all time,

444
00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Laguna Beach and then the Hills. Of course, shout out LC.

445
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<v Speaker 1>He's like a sister to me. I was always team Kristen,

446
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<v Speaker 1>but else again, lover like a sister. And I don't

447
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<v Speaker 1>know why, Aaron, but every time this is on that

448
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<v Speaker 1>soundtrack and I love the soundtrack, and every time a

449
00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:05.839
<v Speaker 1>Dashboard Confessional song comes on for some reason, I'm like,

450
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<v Speaker 1>I guarantee Faulk went through a big phase. Fair confirmed,

451
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<v Speaker 1>all right, knew it. I knew it. I don't know why. Listen, man,

452
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<v Speaker 1>I got feelings. I know you do. You know, I

453
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<v Speaker 1>know you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>It rocked my world. You know this this came out

455
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<v Speaker 2>I was in I was in high school.

456
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<v Speaker 1>You know. Truthfully it might be a bigger fan of

457
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<v Speaker 1>some of his early work forever. Okay, just kidding. Was

458
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<v Speaker 1>this in the phase when you were playing music?

459
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, Like I you know this is We're

460
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<v Speaker 2>going to Warp Tour, We're going to We're going to shows.

461
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<v Speaker 2>We're hanging out of killby Cory love It. You know,

462
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<v Speaker 2>we're putting this in the six disc changer in the

463
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<v Speaker 2>Nissan Pathfinder, and you know, like just just feeling the world. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>windows down.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you cover a dashboard song. Oh man, okay, all right, well, yeah,

466
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<v Speaker 1>that soundtrack has been making the rounds and that's came on.

467
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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I know Faulk would appreciate it, all right,

468
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<v Speaker 1>Aaron tusks up. Okay, So the headline on ESPN dot

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<v Speaker 1>com is this mammoth gaff question mark Utah mom on

470
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<v Speaker 1>name after leak. C K yesterday on the show was

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<v Speaker 1>more interested in the angle of who is up at

472
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<v Speaker 1>two am monitoring the Utah Hockey Club YouTube handle? And

473
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<v Speaker 1>why are we doing this?

474
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<v Speaker 2>For me?

475
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<v Speaker 1>It's another dynamic where who's asleep at the wheel over there?

476
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this reeks of the whole, like, hey, we're

477
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<v Speaker 1>gonna leak the yellow Jazz jerseys accidentally and then say, wait,

478
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<v Speaker 1>Purple's back. So it appears that the Utah Hockey Club

479
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<v Speaker 1>accidentally let the cat out of the bag, and the

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<v Speaker 1>hockey club henceforth in forever will be known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Utah Mammoth, which I think is so bad for so

482
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<v Speaker 1>many different reasons. But this is another embarrassing Look, man,

483
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<v Speaker 1>that's my opinion. Where you at with it? Oh? I mean, I.

484
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<v Speaker 2>It's hard for me to get very worked up about

485
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<v Speaker 2>something like that. I mean I'm yeah, you know, I

486
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<v Speaker 2>think having worked in in that world, you know sort

487
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<v Speaker 2>of before, like a lot of different people doing a

488
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<v Speaker 2>lot of different things, and you know, again, did somebody,

489
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<v Speaker 2>you know, make sure just we need to we need

490
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<v Speaker 2>to secure this, to make sure that this handle exists

491
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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube, and uh, you know you're you're trying to

492
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<v Speaker 2>just lock it down. And then oh no, you know,

493
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<v Speaker 2>we've we've we've confirmed when we should not have confirmed.

494
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know. And then and then the

495
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<v Speaker 2>other thing is like, what's the bad publicity? You know, no,

496
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<v Speaker 2>there's no there's no bad publicity. Publicity if you think

497
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<v Speaker 2>this is if this is the name, and you get

498
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<v Speaker 2>people talking about it again, you know, your team's not

499
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<v Speaker 2>in the playoffs, and all of a sudden, you are.

500
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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a there's a bunch of really good

501
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<v Speaker 2>stuff happening in the NHL playoffs and you became a

502
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<v Speaker 2>story again today. Like that's not too bad for me either,

503
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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, to me, not a bad look necessarily.

504
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<v Speaker 2>I just think that you're talking about a bunch of

505
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<v Speaker 2>people doing a bunch of the things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like not that high level. Does it make the

507
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<v Speaker 1>actual announcement a little anti climactic since we know what

508
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<v Speaker 1>the name is going to be now, or is there

509
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<v Speaker 1>a possibility that this actually is To your point, were

510
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<v Speaker 1>they just messing around?

511
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe this isn't the name. I don't think they're messing around.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I saw that the comment when, you know,

513
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<v Speaker 2>when asked about it, that they said, hey, we're still

514
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<v Speaker 2>exploring all three names. I can't really believe that at

515
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<v Speaker 2>this late date you're equally exploring three different possibilities, like

516
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<v Speaker 2>you got to start printing things. We got to start

517
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<v Speaker 2>you know, we've got to have a hat for you

518
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<v Speaker 2>know whoever, I don't know any mask or so, I mean,

519
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<v Speaker 2>it seems it seems very likely that this is the outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it seems likely given the fan reaction, uh,

521
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<v Speaker 2>you know, after after Yetty drops off, it seemed like

522
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<v Speaker 2>this was the number one choice. So, I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>to quote John Paul Chungka, I'm not surprised not a.

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<v Speaker 1>Real name, all right, as somebody who was part of

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<v Speaker 1>the naming process us for a team that at the

526
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<v Speaker 1>time had a lot of pushback, and still to this day,

527
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<v Speaker 1>when people here at RAYL saw Lake, they kind of

528
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<v Speaker 1>go away a second. What I always have to remind

529
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<v Speaker 1>everybody that The reason we did that is our initial

530
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<v Speaker 1>intention was to be the North American sister club of

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<v Speaker 1>Real Madrid, and we did have a partnership with them.

532
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<v Speaker 1>A young ck in the stands as a student watching

533
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<v Speaker 1>Jason christ nearly score against Real Madrid, watching the Galactokos,

534
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<v Speaker 1>and we had becks put put a shovel in the ground.

535
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<v Speaker 1>We did a golden shovel at Dad. There's a picture

536
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<v Speaker 1>in my house, Rude van Nistelroy ecer Cassius, right. I

537
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<v Speaker 1>mean that was the initial intent of the Raal saw

538
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<v Speaker 1>Lake name. It's not an easy thing to land on

539
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<v Speaker 1>a name that everybody's gonna love. And I hate Mammoth.

540
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<v Speaker 1>I think it's horrible. Of the options, that was actually

541
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<v Speaker 1>my least favorite. So again it's this is a difficult

542
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<v Speaker 1>thing to do because you're gonna get criticism no matter what.

543
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<v Speaker 1>But what do you think of the name now that

544
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<v Speaker 1>we have an idea of what it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a couple of things. I'm not as put

546
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<v Speaker 2>off by it as as you are. I think, you know,

547
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<v Speaker 2>it makes it makes some sense. There's you know, history

548
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<v Speaker 2>within the state. There's you know, some some actual local

549
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<v Speaker 2>tie like I think I would have had a greater

550
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<v Speaker 2>problem with something that just like tries to sound cool,

551
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>like Venom was was migrate, Like venom is a thing

552
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.119
<v Speaker 2>that's a nickname you give yourself, and it's not like

553
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<v Speaker 2>it's not cool, it's gonna do Avatar, bro. So I

554
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<v Speaker 2>think that at least it feels like, hey, yeah, there's

555
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<v Speaker 2>there's a utah reason that this could be the name

556
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<v Speaker 2>of the team, and it makes sense. Two, I think

557
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<v Speaker 2>with anything with naming a child, like, every name sounds stupid,

558
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<v Speaker 2>even you know, my parents sitting down there thinking about

559
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:46.119
<v Speaker 2>naming a child Aaron, like it sounds stupid. And then

560
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:48.079
<v Speaker 2>it just becomes your name, you know. And so for

561
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<v Speaker 2>the first generation of fans here, yeah, there's gonna be

562
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<v Speaker 2>some people that are hardcore about it. They're gonna be

563
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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people that think sounds fake, it's not real.

564
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<v Speaker 2>And then there're gonna be people that are born into it,

565
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<v Speaker 2>and it's always gonna be real to them, you know,

566
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<v Speaker 2>I mean. And so I think that's that's the nature

567
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<v Speaker 2>of I like the name Aaron. Do you not like

568
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<v Speaker 2>your name?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm I'm you're okay with that. I love the name.

570
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<v Speaker 1>It's it's you know, no, no problem.

571
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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying it sounds it's you know, when you

572
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<v Speaker 2>say a word over and over again or whatever, it

573
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<v Speaker 2>sounds snake like this, like how do you how do

574
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<v Speaker 2>you make that decision?

575
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<v Speaker 1>And then it just becomes that the right fit fair enough?

576
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<v Speaker 1>What's your middle name? Caleb? My paron Caleb.

577
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:24.759
<v Speaker 2>My parents argued my my mother wanted to name me Caleb.

578
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<v Speaker 2>My father put the guybash on it.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, so then they all twitch roo Yeah okay. Uh.

580
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<v Speaker 1>From a macro standpoint, Bell Belle Frasier, who you hired

581
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<v Speaker 1>to cover the hockey club or the Utah Mammoth potentially

582
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<v Speaker 1>for the trip friend of the program Dynamic on air.

583
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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a great higher by you, and

584
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<v Speaker 1>I think she does a really good job. What has

585
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<v Speaker 1>the first year been like for you guys to cover

586
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:50.440
<v Speaker 1>pro hockey in our market?

587
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, shout out Bell. She has been uh,

588
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>super hard worker, clearly understands the the sport and it's

589
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>extrememely passionate about it. I think a great person, you know,

590
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.480
<v Speaker 2>to advocate for fans and try to you know, teach

591
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.359
<v Speaker 2>a little and all of that. You know, it's been

592
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<v Speaker 2>it's been very interesting. I think it's it is there's

593
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:19.519
<v Speaker 2>those are full buildings every night. Yeah, and it is

594
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<v Speaker 2>still a very niche sport in in a lot of ways.

595
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<v Speaker 1>You know. I think.

596
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<v Speaker 2>The test and the question for me will be, once

597
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<v Speaker 2>this team is a playoff team or you know, a

598
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.519
<v Speaker 2>little bit of a run, how many folks are really

599
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.759
<v Speaker 2>invested in it? Beyond I'm excited about like the vibes

600
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<v Speaker 2>of this thing. Here's a cool new thing. I like

601
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:42.640
<v Speaker 2>going to a game. I like, you know, I like

602
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 2>the idea that my state has this versus how many

603
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.960
<v Speaker 2>people are like obviously Dylan Gunther should be on the

604
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<v Speaker 2>second line, you know, and and breaking it down and

605
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<v Speaker 2>I I have some I have some questions about that.

606
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:55.359
<v Speaker 1>We'll see.

607
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I think that fans really connect it,

608
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, just based on our metrics and what people read.

609
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 2>They really connect with the cultural stuff, how Utah has perceived,

610
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:11.400
<v Speaker 2>how you know players fit in, how you know where

611
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<v Speaker 2>you are in the pecking order of other NHL markets,

612
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.680
<v Speaker 2>and those types of things. And certainly less about like

613
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.839
<v Speaker 2>is Barrett Hayton, you know, getting in front of goal enough?

614
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Right? Like that those are getting increase right Yeah?

615
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those are two very different things, and so the

616
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:27.480
<v Speaker 2>audience for one is much greater than the other at

617
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<v Speaker 2>the moment.

618
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<v Speaker 1>For sure, I will tell you this, The Stanley Cup

619
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<v Speaker 1>playoffs are so cool. They're so intense, and we are

620
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<v Speaker 1>now in a market during the springtime when other markets

621
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<v Speaker 1>are experiencing either basketball spring basketball playoffs or spring hockey playoffs,

622
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and we're experiencing neither. When well, I'm going to say when,

623
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.000
<v Speaker 1>because I'm an internal optimist, you know me, When springtime

624
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>rolls around here in Salt Lake and the Mammoth and

625
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>the Jazz are both in the postseason, it is going

626
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.359
<v Speaker 1>to be popping downtown. I mean, that's a fun thing

627
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>to think about as a as as a guy you

628
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>grew up here following the Jazz and working uh in

629
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:06.640
<v Speaker 1>the media now for a number of years. Do you

630
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 1>have any specific spring Jazz playoff memories that pop? I mean,

631
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.000
<v Speaker 1>when the weather gets warm and playoff basketball is in

632
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Salt Lake, it's a really really fun thing. I hope

633
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.279
<v Speaker 1>we can experience it soon, Yeah, no doubt.

634
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's hard for me to to ignore, like

635
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:26.559
<v Speaker 2>the more recent memories, but being in being in there

636
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:30.160
<v Speaker 2>for that OKAC series a couple of years ago, with

637
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.400
<v Speaker 2>the you know, the city edition jerseys and that color scheme,

638
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:36.240
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the arena.

639
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.039
<v Speaker 1>Looked just it's that's probably the coolest I think.

640
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:44.240
<v Speaker 2>And honestly some of the loudest I've I've ever heard it.

641
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Ricky Rubio moment that was that was a high water mark.

642
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 2>It was for everybody there. Uh And so I think

643
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.319
<v Speaker 2>that that's that really stands out. I mean, you know,

644
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.640
<v Speaker 2>back a little bit didn't hit quite as much that

645
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.119
<v Speaker 2>that first breakthrough with with Gordon and you get smoked

646
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.079
<v Speaker 2>by a Golden State and then you go back years

647
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.400
<v Speaker 2>before and I don't know, the memory fades. I I don't,

648
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't have quite the attachment to I wasn't I

649
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.799
<v Speaker 2>wasn't at the arena for you know, jazz bowls or

650
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:18.279
<v Speaker 2>anything like that. But that's that stands out for me personally.

651
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:21.960
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I'm excited. I I you know, very selfishly.

652
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:23.839
<v Speaker 2>It's nice to have things to talk about and actually

653
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.319
<v Speaker 2>the matter that people are invested in. And I'll be

654
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:31.039
<v Speaker 2>very curious. I mean, my my working theory and I'd

655
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.279
<v Speaker 2>be curious. You know, what your take is on this

656
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:39.279
<v Speaker 2>is that hockey has a will not be bigger, but

657
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.319
<v Speaker 2>has a higher ceiling. Than NBA here in terms of

658
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:47.119
<v Speaker 2>landing free agents. Marquee guys, you know you have a

659
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.400
<v Speaker 2>higher potential of being a Stanley Cup champion in Salt

660
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Lake City than I think lifting a Larry O'Brien absolutely agree.

661
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:57.039
<v Speaker 1>And I've been very impressed with Bill Armstrong and they're

662
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.680
<v Speaker 1>good now. They're the third youngest team in the NHL.

663
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:03.160
<v Speaker 1>They've got to think the fifth most most cap space.

664
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.680
<v Speaker 1>And there just isn't the stigma attached to saw Lake

665
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.079
<v Speaker 1>for hockey players that there are for basketball players. And

666
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.480
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, right, there are probably several that we

667
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 1>get into. I think we've and you know what we

668
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>like here. We want you to tell us that you

669
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:18.559
<v Speaker 1>like us. And we've heard a lot of hockey players

670
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:22.119
<v Speaker 1>already say, man, this place is great. They'll be front

671
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.559
<v Speaker 1>facing about attracting other players to play for the team.

672
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:27.280
<v Speaker 1>You never hear NBA players say that about Utah.

673
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:29.679
<v Speaker 2>You just don't, right, Yeah, the best the best you

674
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.360
<v Speaker 2>get is you know, oh, once you get here, you

675
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.920
<v Speaker 2>know it's not bad or it's you know, you'll you'll understand.

676
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.559
<v Speaker 2>But nobody's selling it like that. Right, it's a very

677
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:42.079
<v Speaker 2>different thing. And right, you know, right or wrong, very

678
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 2>very different thing. And yeah, and you look at obviously

679
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:48.679
<v Speaker 2>it's it's not as metropolitan and as you know, Toronto

680
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 2>or Montreal or whatever. But you've got guys coming from

681
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Edmonton and Winnipeg, and and you know, like someth like

682
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:54.960
<v Speaker 2>doesn't look so bad.

683
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Right right, And you know, I remember when Hayward left,

684
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:59.239
<v Speaker 1>I said on air a couple of weeks later, if

685
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 1>we can't keep the white dude who likes to play

686
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.400
<v Speaker 1>video games a night and is raised in a family,

687
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:05.320
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't bode well for who we're going to be

688
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 1>able to keep. And that I think is an underlying

689
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:13.239
<v Speaker 1>fear of jazz fans where since John and Carl left

690
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:16.199
<v Speaker 1>and retired, every player that we've had here drafted and developed,

691
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:19.679
<v Speaker 1>they have not spent their entire career here. And if

692
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.079
<v Speaker 1>you can't get a player here to spend more than

693
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:23.639
<v Speaker 1>five or six years here, it's going to be hard

694
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:25.679
<v Speaker 1>to get a team to gel together long enough for

695
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:27.280
<v Speaker 1>them to be good. I think a lot of jazz

696
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:28.079
<v Speaker 1>fans are afraid of that.

697
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, And you look at you know, people

698
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.360
<v Speaker 2>with a little perspective like Darren Williams comes back. But

699
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Darren Williams was not going to stay right, and I

700
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>think pretty clearly at that point. So you know, once

701
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:42.000
<v Speaker 2>you have a little bit of life experience and you

702
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:44.079
<v Speaker 2>see how things operate in other places and how you

703
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.079
<v Speaker 2>were treated and how you lived, and you know your

704
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:48.599
<v Speaker 2>commute and all of that, Like, yeah, it makes sense.

705
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:51.119
<v Speaker 2>But you know, if you're a twenty five year old

706
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>millionaire and the world is endless potential, you want to

707
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:56.360
<v Speaker 2>explore endless potential.

708
00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:58.199
<v Speaker 1>Sure, And I completely get it. I mean, I always

709
00:35:58.239 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 1>try to look at it through the prism of if

710
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I was a twenty five year old multi millionaire, where

711
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 1>would I want to live if I was single? And

712
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:07.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm biased because I like it here and I don't

713
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:08.639
<v Speaker 1>think it's a bad place to live, but I can

714
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:12.320
<v Speaker 1>understand if you want to experience other places. Really, being

715
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>a professional athlete, it's kind of an odd thing. Like

716
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>you're told where you're going to work and where you're

717
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:18.760
<v Speaker 1>going to live in any other endeavor. If you're the

718
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:20.639
<v Speaker 1>best at what you do in the world, you have

719
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:23.280
<v Speaker 1>control over where you can do that thing, and athletes

720
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>just don't. It's kind of an odd thing for sure.

721
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you get traded to Salt Lake City and you

722
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.639
<v Speaker 2>decide I'm gonna go to Brazil. I'm never coming there.

723
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:31.800
<v Speaker 1>There you go. We'll get to the lads, okay, in

724
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:36.199
<v Speaker 1>a moment, But before you get to the lads. Twitter

725
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>discourse between college football fans it you know, the visual

726
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I have are the monkeys throwing their feces at each

727
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>other at the zoo? I mean, and I don't program

728
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>my show off of it, but you can't help but

729
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:55.119
<v Speaker 1>see BYU fans Utah fans, are you tampering with our players?

730
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Are you trying to steal our players? The transfer portal

731
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:01.400
<v Speaker 1>in college football is chaotic every school across the landscape

732
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:04.039
<v Speaker 1>of collegiate athletics and football, and in basketball, you're going

733
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.320
<v Speaker 1>to lose players no matter what. The days of us

734
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:08.920
<v Speaker 1>getting to know Andre Miller and getting to know Britton

735
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Johnson and getting us to you know, getting to know

736
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Alex Smith, three or four of your players, they're gone,

737
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 1>they just are. That's a tribune. How much does this

738
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:19.239
<v Speaker 1>back and forth when it comes to covering BYU football

739
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Utah football with keV phenomenal short game, I guy Jason

740
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 1>on the other side, your college football beat riders. How

741
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:27.280
<v Speaker 1>much of this back and forth moves the needle?

742
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 2>If at all, I think it does move the needle,

743
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:32.760
<v Speaker 2>and I think that, you know, the way we try

744
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:38.280
<v Speaker 2>to look at it is maybe not so much jumping

745
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.960
<v Speaker 2>into uh, into the cage and you know, picking up

746
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.760
<v Speaker 2>our own faces and throwing it. I think we're trying

747
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:46.440
<v Speaker 2>to look at it as like, can we provide some

748
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.320
<v Speaker 2>perspective here and maybe get to get to a truth. So,

749
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, right now, the back and forth on Twitter,

750
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:56.639
<v Speaker 2>if you haven't been paying attention, is there are a

751
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of people out there that that accuse b Yu

752
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:03.159
<v Speaker 2>of quote a quote tampering, you know, and offering guys

753
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:10.320
<v Speaker 2>large nil packages to go south. Hasn't really happened that

754
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.239
<v Speaker 2>I've seen, you know in this Yeah, the top was

755
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.760
<v Speaker 2>miss Snowden or somebody like that, Right, hasn't happened sms

756
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Noden reaffirms he's at Utah. You know, maybe this is

757
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.760
<v Speaker 2>lingering from the ton of vasa stuff or whatever. I

758
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 2>think my preference, very strong preference, is to try to

759
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:32.280
<v Speaker 2>answer that and say, like, what is the truth? Okay,

760
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.000
<v Speaker 2>so here's here's a bunch of people talking about it, speculation,

761
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.639
<v Speaker 2>here's a rumor. Can we get to the answer of

762
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.599
<v Speaker 2>what's really going on? And that's really like what we

763
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.800
<v Speaker 2>what we would endeavor to do. So I think it

764
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.760
<v Speaker 2>can shape and present interesting questions. I think it very

765
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:49.719
<v Speaker 2>rarely gives the real answer.

766
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:54.119
<v Speaker 1>And to be fair, I always put the disclaimer. You know,

767
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:58.360
<v Speaker 1>you can ask for a public records request to understand

768
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:00.440
<v Speaker 1>what UTAH is doing financially, but you can do that

769
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 1>with BYU because of our private institution. So it really

770
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:07.159
<v Speaker 1>is hard to know exactly what the truth is with

771
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 1>some of these financial figures. The on three group seems

772
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:12.480
<v Speaker 1>to be doing a lot of reporting. Jeff Goodman, who's

773
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a very well respected college basketball reporter, did report that

774
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the Rob Wright kid from Baylor signed a million dollar

775
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 1>deal from Baylor to stay there, and then BYU was

776
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:24.199
<v Speaker 1>paying him north of three million dollars to play in provo.

777
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:27.400
<v Speaker 1>The AJ debantsa figure is seven million dollars for five

778
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.639
<v Speaker 1>months of basketball. Richie Saunders comes back reported with a

779
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:33.519
<v Speaker 1>seven figure deal. If you just do loose math, BYU

780
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Basketball is paying thirteen to fifteen million dollars ish for

781
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:39.559
<v Speaker 1>this roster that's coming back next year. That's going to

782
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 1>be awesome. They're going to be a top five team.

783
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.119
<v Speaker 1>My question to you is, why can't they just admit

784
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing. Why can't they just say what the

785
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.039
<v Speaker 1>truth is and stop telling us that we're not seeing

786
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.519
<v Speaker 1>what we're seeing. We you know, we hear these things

787
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.599
<v Speaker 1>where Travis Hansen says, well, we don't outbid people, we

788
00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:00.280
<v Speaker 1>outlove them, we out developed them, we out whatever. The

789
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 1>name of the game now is to have your nil

790
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.039
<v Speaker 1>in a place where you can pay players to come

791
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.679
<v Speaker 1>play for you so you attract talent. It's not to

792
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 1>outlove them or you know, the BYU experience or whatever,

793
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.280
<v Speaker 1>like why can't we just say what's actually happening?

794
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:20.440
<v Speaker 2>What if your love language is money fair, then can

795
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.159
<v Speaker 2>out love someone fair point?

796
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Fair point? Maybe that's the angle, and so I mean, yeah,

797
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:28.599
<v Speaker 1>I think BYU is in a.

798
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.960
<v Speaker 2>It's just an interesting situation in that they have a

799
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.679
<v Speaker 2>mission that is, you know, very publicly stated that that's

800
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.320
<v Speaker 2>that's different than a lot of other places, and so

801
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.039
<v Speaker 2>it is hard to jump into the fray and fully

802
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:43.639
<v Speaker 2>embrace like hey, yeah, we've got a bag here for

803
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.360
<v Speaker 2>you and come play for us. And it feels mercenary,

804
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.400
<v Speaker 2>like we want you to be part of of you know, coognation,

805
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:51.199
<v Speaker 2>and we want you to be part of the mission

806
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.639
<v Speaker 2>and and all that, and so I think I think

807
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:57.360
<v Speaker 2>that is hard, but like there's no shame in paying

808
00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.719
<v Speaker 2>people what you think there work, no take the victory

809
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:03.360
<v Speaker 2>leap for sure, there's no shame in it, right, And

810
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.519
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, I think I think it's new.

811
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:06.639
<v Speaker 1>I think I think it's new.

812
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 2>And I think you have a lot of people that make,

813
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, at high levels that make decisions for BUYU

814
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.760
<v Speaker 2>at large on both you know, academically and and sort

815
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:18.199
<v Speaker 2>of you know, spiritual mission wise and and you know,

816
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:19.920
<v Speaker 2>athletics is only.

817
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Part of that.

818
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.559
<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, I think you kind of make sure

819
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.119
<v Speaker 2>that people that have that don't have their minds wrapped

820
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:26.599
<v Speaker 2>around in I l the way that you and I do,

821
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:28.239
<v Speaker 2>the way that a lot of you know, fans now

822
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:30.840
<v Speaker 2>have come to who believe that you know, it just

823
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:33.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of sounds gross like they're not there yet. And

824
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:35.400
<v Speaker 2>so I think part of it is probably making sure

825
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:37.559
<v Speaker 2>that the people that make those decisions higher up in

826
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.559
<v Speaker 2>the church and by us academic side feel good about

827
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 2>it too.

828
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:44.360
<v Speaker 1>That's fair and some good perspective there. It just comes

829
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:49.440
<v Speaker 1>across as so on authentic and disingenuous when the reality

830
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.519
<v Speaker 1>of the situation is you are outbidding other schools for

831
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<v Speaker 1>these players, and there's nothing wrong with that. So trying

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<v Speaker 1>to spin the message to make it sound any other way,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand what you're afraid of. Maybe it's this,

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<v Speaker 1>and we should be clear. The church is not writing

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<v Speaker 1>these checks. Okay, These are powerful boosters that contribute to

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<v Speaker 1>the Crimson or what do they call the Royal Blue Collective,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, BYU I've been told has at least

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<v Speaker 1>nine and maybe more at this point seven figure donors.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is the boosters and the alumni that are

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<v Speaker 1>paying for the players. It's not the church. Maybe people

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<v Speaker 1>are scared of making you know, that kind of line.

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<v Speaker 2>That's something that you see every time, like the argument

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is tithing or whatever, and so they

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<v Speaker 2>have to make sure that that gets that message gets out.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not the church paying for this, This is

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<v Speaker 2>not your tithing money, because this is someone else's decision

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<v Speaker 2>to do this on behalf of BYU Athletics. And so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is messy when when you have that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, big, big mission and stage goal and then

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<v Speaker 2>you have this other thing that feels tangential to it,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, feels maybe dirty in the mind of

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who wants it to be much more pure, focused

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<v Speaker 2>on a single thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your understanding of where the University of Utah is

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<v Speaker 1>at right now with their ability to attract talent to

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<v Speaker 1>and the Crimson Collective where the nil stuff is at

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<v Speaker 1>you right now? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So what what they've said is that they are prepared

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the full twenty and a half million

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<v Speaker 2>of revenue sharing once the House settlement is finalized. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>less clear on what that means in terms of I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people are going to be at

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<v Speaker 2>the full twenty and a half and then that's great

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<v Speaker 2>and it's nice that the universe that a school can

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<v Speaker 2>now do this directly, but you know, there's third party

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<v Speaker 2>and il is still going to be on top of that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it doesn't This doesn't mean that you and

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State are equal at twenty and a half, right

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<v Speaker 2>There's there's more money on top of that. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>less clear on where that is, you know, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think they are, you know, setting themselves up to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see how they do that, because you got to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with twenty million dollars and it's probably private equity,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, be curious how that looks once once

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<v Speaker 2>that that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is Nate Bench's favorite jazz player of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a great question. I feel like I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be like Blue Edwards or something. But

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<v Speaker 2>do you have an answer?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Well, wh When I first met Nate, we were

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<v Speaker 1>playing golf together and we were going to draft a

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<v Speaker 1>jazz team back and forth, and I said, if you

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<v Speaker 1>had the first pick, who would you take? And he

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<v Speaker 1>said armand Gillian, Oh, I knew it. The hammer, The hammer. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason I'm asking this is the first person can

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<v Speaker 1>text in Nate Bench's favorite jazz player date seven seven

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<v Speaker 1>three five three zero seven hundred. We're giving you a

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<v Speaker 1>free round of golf to Mount Ogden. Okay, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>Festival of Tease presented by our friends at the UGA.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll give you a PGA tour update coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>But first person contexted Nate Bench's favorite jazz player, We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to send you to golf for free. All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Before I set you loose, I'm gonna ask you a

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<v Speaker 1>two part RSL question. Part one is your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 1>You and I have spoken about this. We were able

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<v Speaker 1>to sit with the Millers for a while the day

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<v Speaker 1>before their announcement that they have purchased the controlling stake

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<v Speaker 1>of RSL. So your thoughts on the ownership transition of

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<v Speaker 1>RSL and what they did do? Uh, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>decided to name him Big Willie Goals. So we got Willie,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta we got Johnny Russell across the line. So

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on what they did do during the primary

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<v Speaker 1>transfer window and maybe more importantly, what they did not do.

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<v Speaker 1>So before I set you loose, your thoughts on all

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<v Speaker 1>things RSL.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, incomplete grades and TBD. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I I I understand the frustration, to start with the

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<v Speaker 2>second half. First, I understand the frustration that you know

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a star striker at this point after

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<v Speaker 2>selling off a guy who looked very much like a

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<v Speaker 2>star striker at least for the first half of last year.

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<v Speaker 2>And I completely understand the frustration. However, you know, don't

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything about uh our friend Bosnik.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't tell you, but hey, you tried and through

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<v Speaker 2>no fault of your own fail, so I can't really

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<v Speaker 2>hold that against you. Maybe given how complex it is

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<v Speaker 2>to get across the line on these things, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>have four that are close and you you get to

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<v Speaker 2>that situation. But it sounds like they got done dirty

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<v Speaker 2>on that one, and so hey, you know, gotta gotta

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<v Speaker 2>try again. Johnny Russell, once a great player, now seems

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<v Speaker 2>like a great guy. We'll see how that works. And

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<v Speaker 2>and Goda gives you at least something because they didn't have,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, forcer was not the answer, so incomplete in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the Miller's you know, I think that.

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<v Speaker 1>They are not the splashiest and flashiest of owners. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not going to go in, They're not not goingahere

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<v Speaker 2>to lure whoever the next great European is and spend

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of money to do it. They're always going

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, be smart with with their money and

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<v Speaker 2>see where they can you know, maximize some things.

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<v Speaker 1>That being said, you know, I mean we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>being spoiled. Have they did?

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<v Speaker 2>They really have bad teams ever, you know, for a

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<v Speaker 2>long period of time. So I think, yeah, maybe maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>You feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Cb about it, but I do think you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>a good product for a long period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that will be important to them. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, well said, And you don't have to spend

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<v Speaker 1>NBA money on MLS teams, you know, so we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>how it goes. Well. Look, great to see you up.

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<v Speaker 1>Subscribe to the trip. What do you want to tell

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners about what we got going to the trip? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for everybody that reads Bell stuff, Kevin stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>Jason stuff, Andy stuff, Gordon stuff, mesyltrip dot com, Like

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<v Speaker 2>and subscribe, shout out, Nate Bench.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it man. Great to see what we'll see a Saturday. Okay. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Falk, the editor of the sports section of the

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<v Speaker 1>Solilate Tribune,