Speaker 1: And we have another great show for you this evening.
Actually we have two shows back to back. If you're
on YouTube, if you are listening to our audio show,
you don't have to do anything at all. You'll just
notice that there is a part A and a part B,
so right now coming up in this hour our one,
we have Bruce Rappuno and I probably pronounced that wrong.
I'm pretty famous for doing that. But he has a
book that caught my attention, Dominion Lost a scientist own
Alien abduction Encounters. So I reached out to on Twitter.
And since I did, a number of people have reached
out to me, you know, saying I should get this
gentleman on the show. So I am very glad that
he is here. And also jumping to the next video,
if you are on YouTube, you want to jump right
over on this one that you see here coming up,
which is with Darcy Weir and Andy Marcel and I'm
actually going to be seeing them up in Shag Harbor
in just a couple of weeks. And our blog this
week is part two a reporter UFO Encounter and Visits
by Men and Black and that's by Charles Lear And
who's a great blogger always having his blogs and audio blogs.
They do go out on the podcast feed. And so
we are going to go about fifty five minutes here
and then we're going to jump right over and to
the next one. So again, if you're on YouTube or
over on Facebook or any other I think it's on
and rumble in a few other places, you'll see two
videos and you want to jump right over at eight o'clock.
We'll be starting that sharp at eight o'clock on the
other one. And right now I'm introducing our guests. Hello, Bruce,
Hi Martin, how are you good? How bad did I
do with your name? Was it?
Speaker 2: I've heard much worse. It's pronounced rep you wano?
Speaker 1: Oh wrap yeah? Rep you wan? Okay?
Speaker 2: You as long?
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, all right, all right, well I'll try to
remember that when I say goodbye. I'll try.
Speaker 2: And the first name is is very easy. Bruce.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope I don't screw that up. So let's
hear basically, i'd like to hear. Let me just adjust
these screens here, but let me hear your background. I
think that's very interesting your you're you have a science background,
and I would dare to say that you know, you
kind of have taken a risk by doing what you
have done and writing this book. But it's very interesting,
and so let's hear about your background.
Speaker 2: Sure, So I majored in neurobiology minored in psychology at
the University of Pennsylvania, and I became very interested in
neuroscience swile in college, and then went on for a
PhD in neuropharmacology, which is a study of the effects
of drugs on the brain, at the University of Connecticut.
I also, although I don't practice law, I did obtain
a jd from New York Law School. But for most
of my career I've been doing research as a cell biologist.
I worked at places like Memorial Slum Cantering Cancer Center,
and so I've done a lot of work with cell
biology in the area of cancer, metastases, metabolic bone disease,
designing the next generation of orthopedic and dental implants, and
so most in fact, all of my career has been
spent as an independent biomedical resource scientist. And that's about it.
Speaker 1: So well, I just, you know, not to go too
far off the topic here of what our topic is
about tonight. But you know, I was just talking about
this the other day because you know, we had friends
and family that I've had cancer. And I remember back
in the you know, nineteen seventies. You and I are
about the same age, and I remember back in the seventies,
just you know, like there was it seemed like there
was promise that we're going to find a cure for cancer,
and you know, it just seems like we should have
something by now. I mean, I know there's a lot
of breakthroughs and things, but I mean it seems like
that with AI that we may be able to achieve
something like that a little quicker than we would have
without it. I just wonder what your opinion was.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm very impressed that, especially over the past ten
years little bit more than that, we've moved from the
era of chemotherapy uh to uh the era now where
almost all of the patients with solid tumors are receiving
some type of you know, treatment involving biological modifiers drugs
that will amplify the body's immune response to to cancer,
and focusing on immunotherapy and and and as opposed to
these very these chemotherapeutic drugs that have very often severe
side effects. We're really in the modern age, and and
you did touch on a very important point, which is
that in the area of precision medicine, where we're doing
what is called next generation sequencing for each patient and
finding out if they have certain genes that will make
them respawn better, specific types of of of therapies that
that process of identifying and uh the specific therapies that
that can be that that each patient will respond best to.
That whole process is going to be acceleed but accelerated
by AI, so that we're going to going to be
able to be in a situation where we're sure that
every patient is getting the exact type of therapy, you know,
in a in a very timely fashion. So that that
is exciting because it's it's very different from you know,
what you and I've uh been accustomed to and grown
up with the idea that you've you've got to harm
a lot of healthy cells with chemotherapy to kill the
cancer cells. But it's a different ballgame today.
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, I know, I know, some like a
family member, Uh damn Dale feels like she's dead from
the chemo. I mean, it's so tough on them, it
really is. And just see the toll that it takes
but anyway, let's let's move on from that. I think that's, uh,
you know, that's something to be optimistic about. There's possibility that,
you know, things may change as far as that goes.
And I commend you for that type of work. I
think it's important, you know, without people like you that
do that type of work, you know, I mean, I mean,
it's you feel like you actually are all benefiting and
healthfully saving lives, you know, And I think that's very important.
Speaker 2: And uh so it's moving in the right direction, right right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So uh as far as you being a what
you call the mainstream scientists, are you taking any heat
for this writing this book?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, frankly, I could not have gotten away
with writing this book. Early in my career. I was
very concerned at the time all those great books about
alien production by Bud Hopkins, but the big groundbreaking you
abduction investigated doctor John Mack, the Harvard psychiatrist, doctor David Jacobs.
At that time when those books came out in the eighties,
I really made such a connection between what they were
reporting on and what I had experienced that you know,
I felt compelled to report my accounts. But I really
couldn't really do that with confidence without sacrificing my career
and also the career of my colleagues that I was
collaborating with, because you know, if I sent a grand
proposal to the National Institutes of Health and someone flagged
my name as being that guy who published a book
on UFO close encounters and alien abduction alien abductions, I
don't think I would have been able to continue it
in the field. But today I'm much more established, really
near the end of my career, close to retiring that
you know, I thought, since the disclosure of what the
government knows, according to too many investigators, is impending, or
at least we hope it is, I thought this was
the perfect time for me to tell to tell my story.
And you know, I've gotten only positive feedback, and I
should mention I've been contacted by scientists whose identity I
will protect, but who have very high level positions in
government that have had similar experiences to my own. So wow,
quick answer to your question is that the feedback has
been only positive.
Speaker 1: That's great. Now, you had your first encounter at age six,
I believe, and so, but at that time when I
mean i'd like for you to go into that what
you what happened, what you remembered that happened. But at
that time you probably had no idea of what the
heck was going on. I mean probably, I'm just guessing,
but I should ask you how many years did take
you before you realized that this was something of an
unknown you know, presence or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: I would think, martin twenty five years, because it was
twenty five years from the time I had that that
encounter with a large group of small humanoids on board
a UFO. That's that's what I surmised happened between nineteen
sixty one and then in the mid eighties when I
when I just was struck and astonished and just really
dumbfounded at how many of the experiences that people who
report alien induction, you know, describe, paralleled those of my own.
And I came to the conclusion that by far the
alien of duction model was the best one to explain
what had happened to me. But that took twenty five
years before I was able to connect all the dots.
Speaker 1: And when did you The same year that you had
your first encounter was the Betty and Barney Hill incident,
which I'm right in the very town that happened, you know,
I mean where they lived. I'm in Portsmouth, New Hampshire now,
and they lived in this town. It happened in the
White Mountains, but it was the very same year. And
when did you first hear and learn about the Betty
and Barney Hill incident?
Speaker 2: Well, to tell you the truth, that encounter you allude
to that I had in sixty one happened roughly two
months before Betty and Barney Hill were abducted. I was
in Connecticut, and I didn't hear about Betty and Barney
Hill account until, oh, I think it was maybe nineteen
sixty eight, nineteen sixty nine. I read the fascinating and
even chilling account, and I believe it was looking the
old Look magazine that was a very famous periodical in
the sixties and seventies. And when I got to the
end of that article, as a young teenager, for some reason,
I believe that it really happened. I didn't know how
I knew that, but I was convinced that Benny and
Barney Hill were telling the truth. And it was almost,
as I write in the book, that almost as if
fellow travelers recognized each other that I thought, you know,
somehow I think I might have gone through something that
they've gone through. But I believe them, And to tell
you the truth, I didn't really see anything that in
terms of the humanoid beings they encountered. I didn't see
anything like that in popular culture and magazines, books, or
the movies until Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind,
which was sixteen years after my encounter, and I believe
it was released. That movie was released in nineteen seventy seven.
So I again I had not what I saw in
nineteen sixty one, in terms of dozens of three and
a half the four foot tall humanoid beings with disproportionately
large hairless heads was not at all, had not had
all been seen in the popular culture at that time
in nineteen sixty nine when I had my encounter, And.
Speaker 1: So why didn't you, if you would, why didn't you
tell us what that was like? The encounter?
Speaker 2: Well, it was I surmised that it was in late
June or late July based on the I remember how
hot it was that day. My mother used to keep
the window in our bedroom open, and I remember just
nodding off to sleep and then something caught the attention
from outside. I saw a flash of light. I looked outside,
and just maybe not more than four to five blocks
away from where we were flying, just over the rooftops
of the apartment buildings in our neighborhood, I saw the
strangest looking airplane I'd ever seen in my life. It
was it appeared to have a highly polished surface reflecting sunlight.
Even though it was near dusk, it was still highly reflective.
And I also noticed that the fuselage seemed to be
too what's the word thick. The diameter was too great
compared to its length. It was almost like it was
more circular than tubular. I think I saw wings, But
then I did the strangest thing, marn Ordinarily, I would
have been fascinated to watch this unidentified flying object for
as long as I could see it. But the strange
thing was, I turned my head away from the window
of my bedroom to the left, put my head down
on the pillow, and fell asleep, almost as if under
command to do so, when I wanted to do nothing
else but watch this fascinating object. Now, when I woke up,
I wasn't in my bedroom anymore. I didn't know where
I was, but I did know I was not lying
on a bed. I was lying on a very hard
what I think of as an examination table. I didn't
know what it was made of. I didn't really couldn't
really remember what color it was, but it felt hard
to the touch, and I did recall that it was
too long and too wide to accommodate the body of
a six year old. And I thought I was in
some type of clinical environment, a hospital, perhaps I didn't know.
I knew I was not in my apartment anymore. And
then after a few seconds, some commotion, maybe twenty feet
from the foot of the table that I was lying on,
attracted my attention, and I slowly sat up, and that's
when I saw them, and there were dozens of them,
the humanoid beings I just described a couple of minutes ago.
And they really looked, as I report in the book,
almost identical to the classical well now we call them
the gray aliens, but they looked identical because they were
white in color to the humanoids that were shown at
the end of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, which,
as I say, it was released sixteen years later. And
they looked like they were working very hard. There were
dozens of the dozens of them walking from left to right,
and the same number walking from right to left some
type of hallway outside the room I was in. There
was a doorway separating the room I was in from
what I call the hallway where these these beings were.
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 2: Had a question in my mind for some reason, because
they all looked so identical to one another. They look
like what we would call clothes today. I say they
were robotic, but they all looked identical in appearance, all
the same height, same weight. And although it did occur
to me that the question came up in my mind
for some reason, it's mind of a six year old.
Were they all boys? Were they're all girls? Or they're
both boys and girls? And at that moment, via some
mechanism that I can't explain, I can't really call it
a direct telepathic communication, but it was as if I
was made to understand yes, in fact, yes, they're both
sexes represented. It's almost as if someone was eavesdropping on
my internal dialogue. And I think I'll leave it there
because I don't want to give away the whole story
that's in the book. But that's the last That's one
of the last things I remember during that episode.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm going to ask you a few things
about that. But so were these beings wearing anything.
Speaker 2: They looked white in color, and to me, they looked
like they were wearing one piece, tight fitting suits of
some kind, and that I could I could, viewing them
from inside view. I couldn't make on make on any
facial features. I could notice notice, of course, the disproportionately
large hairless heads, but no, I couldn't identify what type
of clothing they were wearing.
Speaker 1: And did did they approach you and touch you or
do you remember any of that?
Speaker 2: No? They they were completely ignoring me. And the sense
I had was that were again they seemed to be
motivated by a very significant serious of purpose, busness and purpose.
I have the sense that they were traveling back and
forth between other rooms, like the room I was in,
some type of large warehouse or building. But they were
definitely ignoring me at that point.
Speaker 1: And this area that you were in in Connecticut, are
you aware of people reporting any you know, UFO sightings
and things like that, and and that area in particular.
Speaker 2: Not in that time frame, not, you know, during that
time frame but we've had We've had a lot of
sightings over the years, and I could remember with within
just four years of that, there were reports of UFOs
seen very closely over power transmission lines in our neighborhood
and that was at the time where John J. Fuller
had had written his book Incident at Exeter, and again
many many people in New Hampshire reported the same things
that they had seen UFOs flying close to power transmission lines,
sometimes almost touching them. And I did have another sighting,
multiple witness siding at that time as well, maybe a
couple of weeks after there were reports in our town
of these UFOs over transmission trans power transmission lines. Had
a UFO close encounter right over our home and there
was another sixty five other witnesses, so there were multiple
multiple witnesses. Yes, we had We were playing a game
of kickball which was four on four, so there were
eight children around eight to ten years of age. My
mother was also a witness. So there were nine nine
witnesses to this event, including myself. And if you want
me to go into it, I can go into describing
what what does look like. I was actually I was
just at the edge of our driveway near the road
a playing defense, and I was the first to see it.
For some reason, attracted my attention. I saw the brightest
light I'd ever seen in the daylight or nighttime sky.
But I really couldn't get a good glimpse of it
because the view of it was blocked by a large
oak tree we had in the center of our front lawn.
So I immediately left the group without telling anyone. I
walked directly toward our front door to to get a
better view. And then what I saw utterly amazed me
was it looked like the biblical Star of Bethlehem, is
what I call it, A giant star in the nighttime sky. Again,
this was around dusk, but it wasn't a point source
of light like from a star playing a helicopter or
airplaneer jet. This was literally at least two and a
half to three times the size of the It was stationary,
it was silent, and at that point all my classmates,
so you know that I had noticed this, and then
come over to where I was so as to gather
around and look at this object that had just captivated
our attention, And we looked at it for maybe thirty
to sixty seconds, and then it transformed into another object.
And this is actually classical type of UFO close encounter. Well,
first you see a bright light and then it transforms
into what I saw and what I call a red fireball.
Very commonly reported in throughout the States in the sixties,
this type of UFO. This was maybe as large as
a dime. Held it at arm's length, and it was
again silent. But then at this point when I noticed
it had a transitioned from the biblical star Bethel him
to the thread fireball, then it began to began to move,
and I think I'll stop there in case you have
any questions about that.
Speaker 1: No, No, that sounds You know, there's so many people
that have seen things that changed to something else. It's
really bizarre. And you know, I mean the ones that
are crazy is I know one Rendell from Force where
that object turned into five lights. And I know a
separate guy that he was a friend of mine on
the Antiques Roadshow and he also said that he had
the object he saw, which was a box shape burst
into five lights. You know, I mean that was just
really bizarre. And those lights, you know, blink back and
forth to each other and all that but there are
just so many that that change, you know, into something
else or blink out. You know, that's the other thing
you hear.
Speaker 2: But I should excuse me, Mark, I should distinguish what
you're referring to from what I saw, where I had
a light transform into a different type of object, but
it was clearly in the same location. There was only
one light, and then it began to travel in a
southwesterly direction without changing altitude, direction or speed until it
disappeared over the horizon. So it was clearly an object
under some type of intelligently controlled flight, whereas sometimes in
the types of encounters that you're describe me, one UFO
splinters into or breaks into several lights that seemed to
travel apart from each other in different directions. This was
clearly a different type of a UFO close encounter.
Speaker 1: So now we have a couple. We have a question
or two in Chad. I'm going to put one up
in just a minute, but thank you to everyone in
Chad and everyone that's watching this live. Uh So, your
scientist's mind, how do you deal with this, like if
you were to approach what your story in a scientific way,
or how does that all work for you, you.
Speaker 2: Know, you break it down into the UFO, the abduction episodes,
and if you know, if you see alien beings, you
try to look in the literature for other accounts that
have parallel observations. And you also try to understand from
observing the UFO what type of power source might might
it have if it's generating so much light, Is that
light part of the power source or is it just
a byproduct? And what I of the of a source
of tremendous power that that we we believe the uf
need to travel so rapidly and sometimes travel instantaneously from
point A to point B. And what I report in
the book is is that, you know, I describe a
theory where I believe much of the light we see
from the UFO is plasma. It's ionized gases in the atmosphere,
like what happens during lightning, and that may be attributable
to the power system of the UFO, whether it's electromagnetically
powered or whether it is powered by a nuclear reactor.
That they can all have effects in the atmosphere that
create this brilliant, brilliantly lit plasma like effect that surrounds
the UFO. So you just you try to analyze the
every facet of what you observe when you have a
UFO close encounter, and fortunately for me, when you're now
trying to analyze at the level of the encounter with
what I call alien beings. I don't know if their
ets or inter dimensionals, but I'm able to compare what's
been what I saw a number of times throughout my life,
and I only saw one type of being. Again, they
were shorter than four feet tall, all had these large
hairless heads, all uniform and appearance, all the color white,
and able to I'm able to compare anatomical or at
least external anatomical features of these beings to what's been
reported by the abduction of the UFO abduction investigators, to
what's been reported by Lieutenant Colonel Philip Corso in the
Day After Roswell where he actually reports on the the
Walter Reed pathologists autopsy reports of the Roswell aliens that
died in the crash in Roswell, New Mexico, and a
lot of what is described in those autopsy reports mirrors
the types the type of beings that I saw. So basically,
you know, you make observations, you compared to us two
observations of other investigators, that's been previously reported. And then
you try to generate theories based on what you observe.
And I do that in the final chapter of my book,
Dominion Lost and where I try to explain what I
think the physical nature of the grays are, whether or
not they're related to human beings somehow, or whether or
not they were genetically engineered from maybe one of our
early prominent ancestors. And I described that in great detail.
But again, that's just a theory based on my observations
and the observations of other investigators.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever heard of He's a
friend of mine, doctor Michael Master, that talks about time travel.
You know the possibility of that, Yes, is that ever
a consideration too? Do you think that's a possibility as well?
Have you looked into that?
Speaker 2: Nothing in what I've observed, what I've studied, the thought
about and investigated, and nothing I've observed in uh, the UFO,
the large body of UFO literature that I'm familiar with,
can rule that out. I don't have any evidence that
would support that. But I haven't seen anything any evidence
that would rule that out. I would, you know, defer
to the physicists to study this issue, study the theoretical
physics that would be necessary for time travel. I you know,
I I also have to consider the ancient alien theorist
that have obtained so much information that these same beings.
When I say the same beings, I mean the beings
that i've that i've I've seen have been around for
probably more than thousands, probably millions of years, because there's
so much evidence in the archaeological record that would indicate
that that, you know, these these beings are perhaps millions
of years more advanced than we are, and so that
may be part of our timeline, not necessarily intelligent beings
from the future, although as I said you know before,
I can't really rule that out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard, you know, the theories of how it
would be for like beings to develop you know, elsewhere
and you know, meet with us. It just would be
so tricky and haphazard that you know, they could have,
like you said, could have been developing millions of years
ago compared to us, and for our societies to line
up and them making it through their bottleneck of technology
without blowing themselves up. That type of thing and still
you know, continue continuing on as a species and socially
and all that. And you know, for them to meet
up with us, of course, there has to be a
vast time difference in and us compared to them. So yeah,
I mean as far as like the ancient aliens, I
do imagine that that is uh, there really is something
to that. Here's a question for you, and I do
believe you address this in your book, and that's about implants.
And just before I you know, you continue to talk
about that. I had lou Alsandle like I said last week,
and he talked about these implants actually being propelling and
hiding from the doctor when they were trying to remove them,
which is pretty eerie to me. So what about implants?
Speaker 2: Have you Yeah, yes, yes, I do. I do want
to respond to that. I don't want to. I don't
want to speak about lose book Imminent because he describes it,
you know, in great detail of the types of implants
that that he's aware of. But now in my case, yes,
I can recall, as I said earlier, having a number
of experiences that mirror the accounts of abductees that whose
accounts were reported in the nineteen eighties, in so many
different instances, and in one case, at the age where
I had my first recalled encounter with dozens of these
humanoid beings, I had a flashback and I could recall
a small implant. I call it an implant because it
was like a BB from a BB gun. It was
no more than two to three millimeters in diameter. I
remember having it having studs of projections on the outside.
I think it was silver and color. And the second
associated memory to a memory that was associated with that
is I remember being told that if I blew my
nose too hard or sneezed too forcefully, that it could
come out of my nose. That's how I knew it
was a nasal implant, and I was told to be
very careful, don't let this happen. I seem to recall
that it might have happened previously with a previous implant.
And along with this, I've had the classic physical evidence
physical findings that many abductees who remember having these quote
unquote nasal implants report they have a number of unexplained
strange nosebleeds where there was no prior medical condition that
would account for this. This happened to me at the
same age. I had an episode of missing time where
I didn't know what I'd done all afternoon. I was
a lone oar apartment at the age of six years old,
and suddenly I felt moisture under both nostrils, and then
I heard a voice inside my head telling me, don't
let them see the blood. I didn't know I was bleeding.
I thought I maybe had a you know, I had
a cold or something, and I had a running nose.
But I ran to the bathroom and sure enough I
saw no blood that had trickled down from both nostrils
that had already reached my chin. Immediately washed it off
with water, and seconds later my mother and brother arrived
in the apartment. So it was almost as if I
was told to remove the evidence that I just had
an implantation which caused some trauma and the nose bleed.
And again that's very very commonly reported in the UFO
abduction literature. And in addition, Martin, I had when I
had my tonsils, and that nooids removed because at that
age I had a number of very painful ear infections
that prompted our our ant to suggest that I have
my tonsils and adenoids removed. At the time of that surgery,
the doctor reported to my father that he had found
a scar high in the back of the throat, behind
the nasal cavity that we couldn't account for I had.
He had wondered if I had put anything up up
my nose to cause this. My father had asked me this.
I said, no, I hadn't, So again I had the
physical evidence. I'll explained nosebleed. The scar the memory of
an implant, and in the literature, a number of abductees
report this same type of nasalin plant, the same structure.
Referring to Betty Andreas and the andreasen Affair by Raymond
Fowler reports the same thing. I've talked to another podcast
host that also recalls the same type of implant of
the same structure, but again in the literature, along along
with this the up the abductees that have the nasal
implants report again they unexplained those bleeds, and very often
one or more doctors find a scar inside their nasal
cavity or in the back of the throat, the area
called the nasopharynx. So this is what startled me when
I read these reports. In the eighties. That caused me
to conclude that abduction is real and it also happened
to me.
Speaker 1: Did you talk to any family members at the time
these things were happening about it?
Speaker 2: Strangely enough, I never was able to connect the dots,
and when I look back on it, when I was
six years old and I had the tonsil surgery the
following February, I had concluded that I had had some
type of surgery in some type of hospital by the
strangest looking doctors I'd ever seen. I didn't know why
they were so short, why they had bald, you know,
large heads. But I can remember, before going under anesthesia
for my tonsil surgery the following year, asking the doctor
why I had to have two surgeries. That's how real
it was to me, and he had he had. He
was actually had a a very curious and even started
look on his face, didn't answer my question when when
I asked him. But having this belief at that age
of what had happened to me, it's remarkable to me
that I didn't share that with anyone in my family,
including especially my parents, about what had happened to me.
The only mentioned it was to my doctor at the
time of my tonsil surgery, because I wondered why I
had to have two surgeries I had I had the
theory I had as a six year old was that
I had to have one surgery to remove my tonsils
and the second to remove my adenoids. But again he
was the only one. I mentioned it too, and we
never pursued it further, which which of itself is strange
because after that episode where he the doctor related what
he had found to my father and we had a
very brief conversation with my father and I we never
talked about it after that for years, which, as I say,
is strange and of itself.
Speaker 1: Now, do you have any siblings, Yes? And now yeah,
have you questioned them because this often I'm sure you
know this, that it often happens that you know siblings.
Are you know, talking about the same thing happening as
far as abductions.
Speaker 2: Yes, my brother has read my book from cover to
cover and claims to have no memories of having any
experiences like that like I've had, though I do did
report in the book book. I think you what you're
referring to, Martin, is that the evidence in the literature
of this of the inter generational aspect to this particular
phenomenon of alien abduction, where it's almost as if the
aliens doing the abduction are interests in the specific blood lines,
and they follow families from generation to generation to generation.
And I'm not going to get into it in too
much detail here because it would take a very long time.
But I do have a chapter in the book where
I describe what happened to my grandfather in the thirties
where he had a very rare condition called cavernous sinus thrombosis.
That's a blood clot in one of the blood sinuses
near the nasal cavity that is extremely rare. One in
nineteen million people have this independently of any medical procedure,
and I describe all the evidence that suggest in the
book that he might have had the same type of
nasal implementation procedure that I had that went wrong, and
he actually developed the meningitis after this cavernous sinus thrombosis
developed in him that took his life at the age
of nineteen forty two. Now, my father complained about all
throughout his life sinus sidis, sinus headaches. So I do
have evidence that over three generations in my family that
there may have been involvement of all three generations in
this alien abduction program.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Here's another question here in the chat. Do you
still have encounters and if so, have you ever considered
to try to get them on video?
Speaker 2: I have, You know, I recall into my twenties and
thirties and forties, and even after that, having again strange
nosebleeds unexplained, those bleeds where I wake up and there's
blood on my pillow. This is classic, a classic experience
of the alien abductee. You know, I can't really As
a teenager, I woke up finding the same humanoid being
in my room very close to me. But since that time,
I can't recall episodes where I actually have seen the
alien beings. Now through my adult life, I've had dreams
where I see the same type of beings on either
side of me and I'm flying. It feels incredibly real
and as a report of the book, this is very
similar to what people report when they're being lifted up
during an abduction and abduction event into hovering UFO. But
I can't really say I can recall in the past
few years having anything like I experienced in my childhood
and early adulthood. You know, I do. I do wake
up feeling a presence in the room. I feel a
weight on the bed that some that then I can't
feel anymore, as if something has been on the bed
and then sat up and moved away. But nothing more
concrete than that.
Speaker 1: Mmmmm. Let me just see if there's any other Let's see.
I'm sorry I didn't get it. Really a seat does
the endplanet interfere with you? Now? That endplant? If you
had one, it was gone right, you just had the scar.
Speaker 2: You know. I can't. I can't answer that because I've
never had any I've never had any medical condition which
will require me to have any neuroimaging, a CT scan
or an MRI of the brain, So I can't rule
out I don't think I have it. I can't rule
out that I still have it. But I believe that
when it's implanted, it's either in the nasal cavity or
in the bone that surrounds one of the sinuses that
is called the sphenoid sinus, and this is an air
spinus sinus, and it can be integrated into the bone
so that it has, in other words, not inside the sinus. Itself,
so it would have no interference at all with breathing,
and it would probably if it's a specific material that
doesn't cause it an inflammatory reaction, it would not really
be noticeable. The only time would be noticeable is if
it was. It would only be noticeable at the time
of implantation, when it could cause it bleeding or when
it is removed. And there are abductees that remember being
on a table where when either that nasal implant is inserted,
and they also remember having a probe inserted via the
nasal cavity, and when that probe is removed, there's a
spherical implant on the end of it at the end
that the probe, indicating that that was procedure to remove
the implant. But no, the answer to answer the question,
I don't believe it it ever interfered with with with
my breathing or that of any other abductee because of
the type of anatomical locations where it can be secreted. Uh.
In the in the abductee.
Speaker 1: Donna wanted to know, did you need an did you
need hypnosis to remember your experiences?
Speaker 2: Good question. No, everything I'm reported in the book has
been consciously recalled and as I, as I described the book,
When these experiences happened to me, I didn't know what
the origin of these experiences were, but they made such
a strong impression on me that I thought about them
year after year, uh and and never forgot anything that
had happened to me. Now I haven't had regret regressive hypnosis,
and I've been asked, am I considering it? I am
considering it that perhaps to uncover more of the abduction
experience that I can't consciously recall. But the problem is,
as I mentioned a few minutes ago, Martin, when I
had these experiences, I trust what I observed was not
a productive of my imagination, was not a result of
contamination from the popular culture, because all of this predated
the whole idea of UFOs and aliens and alien abduction.
But now this is really so prevalent in the popular culture.
I can't be sure if I have hypnosis that what
is being revealed during the hypnotic session might not be
a product of what I've read somewhere or what I've
seen in a movie. So I'm skeptical that it's going
to be that hypnotic regression would be productive in my
particular case, and covering more memories.
Speaker 1: Well, if you decide, well, a couple of things I
want to say about that, and that is, if the
hypnotist is doing their job properly, there's not going to
be any feeling of any type of leading or anything
like that. And then secondly, if you decide you want
to go ahead with that, I do have someone I
would highly recommend if that ever comes to that, to
that point, and someone that I know that wouldn't do
anything like that, that would really help you, you know,
because you know it's not I didn't know what hypnosis was.
I thought, you know, I watched TV and thought it
was like, you know, someone will lacked like a chicken,
you know, when you snap your fingers or something. It's ridiculous.
So it's all about just relaxing, being able to access,
you know, parts of your your mind and your memory
that you normally went wouldn't with all the noise and everything.
That's basically what it is, you know. So it's uh,
I think I think it could you know, be helpful myself.
But so where do you at this point? Where do
you stand with this whole thing? Are you hoping that
you know, because you're a mainstream scientist that you may
help contribute to some type of you know, more scientific
people looking into taking this seriously that type of thing.
What's your what's your goals?
Speaker 2: Well, the first goal I had was, since I'm the
only mainstream American scientist to publish a first person account
of UFO close encounter and alien production, that that that
would provoke other scientists not just to contact me, which
has already happened, but to actually go public, perhaps to
do interviews, maybe to write a book. And the more
scientists that came forward, to technical people, engineers, medical professionals,
I think it would it would prompt other science tists
who haven't had these experiences to take the phenomenon more seriously,
so that they would be more inclined to consider worthy
of investigation. Now we have very few centers. We have
to get a LAYO project under Abby Lot at Harvard,
but there, of course doctor Gary nolans a project, but
very few centers at least in the States where science
ares are studying the biological aspects of this particular phenomenon.
What is the nature of the alien beings that that
we've encountered during abduction events? What what are the genealogical
characteristics or the neurological characteristics of the abductees. Is there
something inherent to their physiology or genetic background that targets
them for abduction? You know, I think doctor Nolan's doing
some excellent work looking at at brain imaging and trying
to to look at correlations between people who can remote
view and experiences of the abduction phenomenal see if seeing
if there's something in the brains of the abductees that
allows them to communicate with and interact with alien beings,
that is perhaps a reason why they were contacted. But
it's too few and far between, and I'm just hoping
that that there'll be more scientists that turn their attention
in the direction of this phenomenon and perhaps even decide
to investigate it. Investigate it if there are sources of
funding for it.
Speaker 1: Right, That's always been the problem and the problem with
research and UFOs. I've said when I started the show,
and everything changed after you know, twenty seventeen in the
New York Times article came out, people started to take
the subject seriously. But you know, prior to that, you know,
the scientists that I had on and would ask the
question that say, you know, there would never be any
funding for research for this type of thing. And one
of the reasons being is that there's no you know,
repeatable or you know, a goal to get to and
or all that that they could you know, probably get to,
you know, which is probably all well still the same.
You know, I don't know if in my lifetime we'll
ever know for sure, you know what it is that
these things are, you know, for for sure? I mean
you yourself mentioned you know, whether they're into dimensional or
you know, other other things. We really don't anyone that
says they know what they are, you know, you want
to run away from. So here's one last question and
then we got to call it a night for this
part of the show. So have the nine other eyewitnesses
gone on the record with this, one of them being
your mother.
Speaker 2: Right, oh, you know absolutely, My mother talked about this
for most of her life, the close encounter we have
with the star. Bethelhem Ufo told everyone in her family.
Now now my brother of course you know it. It
recalls this and he was the one of the one
person in the group that immediately called the police and
they were there within two or three minutes of the call.
Now the others have not been in contact with just
my family members that would confirm that we had this
particular UFO close encounter in nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nineteen sixty five. Well so yeah, very interesting. It's
been a very interesting talk with you tonight. I really
enjoyed it. Yeah. So here's the book here, Dominion loss
A Scientists on Alien Abduction Encounters, and that is on
Kindle or you can get it in the book, you know,
through Amazon right here and the links are below. So
thank you so much. And you know, just one last
question we have, you know, just two minutes here. Do
you ever do you think this is it? Or do
you think you have more to say on the topic.
Speaker 2: Well, I I you know, I tell you I the
more I read and the more I interact with groups
from all over the world, from Australia, France, the UK, Canada, UH,
India and even Japan, I'm i'm I'm becoming aware that
there are areas around the globe where we're not really
that are not receiving enough attention. One example is Japan
and and and I'm interested in reporting on aspects of
the phenomenon that that people in the in the West
maybe don't hear about I'm particularly interested about uf UFO
signings in Asia and China and Japan and and that's
that's that's going to be continued interest for me, and
I perhaps may result in a in a book. It's
at some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent, all right, Bruce, you take care.
Speaker 2: It was it was a pleasure, and I appreciate the uh,
the opportunity, Martin, and good luck to you and hope
hopefully we'll interact at some point in the future.
Speaker 1: All right, take care, thank you. All right, everyone, So
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