1 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:28,839 Speaker 1: And we have another great show for you this evening. 2 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:31,879 Actually we have two shows back to back. If you're 3 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,280 on YouTube, if you are listening to our audio show, 4 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,039 you don't have to do anything at all. You'll just 5 00:00:37,119 --> 00:00:39,640 notice that there is a part A and a part B, 6 00:00:40,799 --> 00:00:43,920 so right now coming up in this hour our one, 7 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,920 we have Bruce Rappuno and I probably pronounced that wrong. 8 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,759 I'm pretty famous for doing that. But he has a 9 00:00:51,759 --> 00:00:56,880 book that caught my attention, Dominion Lost a scientist own 10 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,640 Alien abduction Encounters. So I reached out to on Twitter. 11 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:03,200 And since I did, a number of people have reached 12 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,760 out to me, you know, saying I should get this 13 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,040 gentleman on the show. So I am very glad that 14 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:15,680 he is here. And also jumping to the next video, 15 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:17,879 if you are on YouTube, you want to jump right 16 00:01:17,879 --> 00:01:20,120 over on this one that you see here coming up, 17 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:25,480 which is with Darcy Weir and Andy Marcel and I'm 18 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,400 actually going to be seeing them up in Shag Harbor 19 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:31,560 in just a couple of weeks. And our blog this 20 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,319 week is part two a reporter UFO Encounter and Visits 21 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,920 by Men and Black and that's by Charles Lear And 22 00:01:39,519 --> 00:01:44,840 who's a great blogger always having his blogs and audio blogs. 23 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,560 They do go out on the podcast feed. And so 24 00:01:48,599 --> 00:01:51,560 we are going to go about fifty five minutes here 25 00:01:51,599 --> 00:01:53,760 and then we're going to jump right over and to 26 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:56,760 the next one. So again, if you're on YouTube or 27 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,719 over on Facebook or any other I think it's on 28 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,040 and rumble in a few other places, you'll see two 29 00:02:03,159 --> 00:02:05,120 videos and you want to jump right over at eight o'clock. 30 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:07,480 We'll be starting that sharp at eight o'clock on the 31 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:12,240 other one. And right now I'm introducing our guests. Hello, Bruce, 32 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,199 Hi Martin, how are you good? How bad did I 33 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,120 do with your name? Was it? 34 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,039 Speaker 2: I've heard much worse. It's pronounced rep you wano? 35 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: Oh wrap yeah? Rep you wan? Okay? 36 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:27,479 Speaker 2: You as long? 37 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, all right, all right, well I'll try to 38 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,039 remember that when I say goodbye. I'll try. 39 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: And the first name is is very easy. Bruce. 40 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope I don't screw that up. So let's 41 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,960 hear basically, i'd like to hear. Let me just adjust 42 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,800 these screens here, but let me hear your background. I 43 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,319 think that's very interesting your you're you have a science background, 44 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:54,879 and I would dare to say that you know, you 45 00:02:55,039 --> 00:02:57,960 kind of have taken a risk by doing what you 46 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,439 have done and writing this book. But it's very interesting, 47 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:03,280 and so let's hear about your background. 48 00:03:04,759 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: Sure, So I majored in neurobiology minored in psychology at 49 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:14,719 the University of Pennsylvania, and I became very interested in 50 00:03:14,719 --> 00:03:17,759 neuroscience swile in college, and then went on for a 51 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:21,479 PhD in neuropharmacology, which is a study of the effects 52 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:24,800 of drugs on the brain, at the University of Connecticut. 53 00:03:25,879 --> 00:03:29,800 I also, although I don't practice law, I did obtain 54 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,680 a jd from New York Law School. But for most 55 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,199 of my career I've been doing research as a cell biologist. 56 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:41,159 I worked at places like Memorial Slum Cantering Cancer Center, 57 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:46,240 and so I've done a lot of work with cell 58 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:51,560 biology in the area of cancer, metastases, metabolic bone disease, 59 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:59,759 designing the next generation of orthopedic and dental implants, and 60 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,400 so most in fact, all of my career has been 61 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:12,039 spent as an independent biomedical resource scientist. And that's about it. 62 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: So well, I just, you know, not to go too 63 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,839 far off the topic here of what our topic is 64 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:20,800 about tonight. But you know, I was just talking about 65 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,639 this the other day because you know, we had friends 66 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,040 and family that I've had cancer. And I remember back 67 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:29,680 in the you know, nineteen seventies. You and I are 68 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,600 about the same age, and I remember back in the seventies, 69 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,720 just you know, like there was it seemed like there 70 00:04:34,759 --> 00:04:37,279 was promise that we're going to find a cure for cancer, 71 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,000 and you know, it just seems like we should have 72 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,199 something by now. I mean, I know there's a lot 73 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,240 of breakthroughs and things, but I mean it seems like 74 00:04:45,759 --> 00:04:49,839 that with AI that we may be able to achieve 75 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:52,399 something like that a little quicker than we would have 76 00:04:52,439 --> 00:04:54,399 without it. I just wonder what your opinion was. 77 00:04:55,319 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: Well, I'm very impressed that, especially over the past ten 78 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,879 years little bit more than that, we've moved from the 79 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:08,480 era of chemotherapy uh to uh the era now where 80 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,639 almost all of the patients with solid tumors are receiving 81 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:19,560 some type of you know, treatment involving biological modifiers drugs 82 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,920 that will amplify the body's immune response to to cancer, 83 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:30,319 and focusing on immunotherapy and and and as opposed to 84 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:36,240 these very these chemotherapeutic drugs that have very often severe 85 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,240 side effects. We're really in the modern age, and and 86 00:05:40,319 --> 00:05:43,800 you did touch on a very important point, which is 87 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,000 that in the area of precision medicine, where we're doing 88 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,920 what is called next generation sequencing for each patient and 89 00:05:54,959 --> 00:05:59,639 finding out if they have certain genes that will make 90 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:06,040 them respawn better, specific types of of of therapies that 91 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:11,839 that process of identifying and uh the specific therapies that 92 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,120 that can be that that each patient will respond best to. 93 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,920 That whole process is going to be acceleed but accelerated 94 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:22,600 by AI, so that we're going to going to be 95 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,000 able to be in a situation where we're sure that 96 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:30,560 every patient is getting the exact type of therapy, you know, 97 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,680 in a in a very timely fashion. So that that 98 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,399 is exciting because it's it's very different from you know, 99 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:39,600 what you and I've uh been accustomed to and grown 100 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,079 up with the idea that you've you've got to harm 101 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,160 a lot of healthy cells with chemotherapy to kill the 102 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:48,160 cancer cells. But it's a different ballgame today. 103 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, I know, I know, some like a 104 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,680 family member, Uh damn Dale feels like she's dead from 105 00:06:56,879 --> 00:06:59,000 the chemo. I mean, it's so tough on them, it 106 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:01,600 really is. And just see the toll that it takes 107 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:04,759 but anyway, let's let's move on from that. I think that's, uh, 108 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,279 you know, that's something to be optimistic about. There's possibility that, 109 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,480 you know, things may change as far as that goes. 110 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:12,480 And I commend you for that type of work. I 111 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,399 think it's important, you know, without people like you that 112 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,439 do that type of work, you know, I mean, I mean, 113 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:24,480 it's you feel like you actually are all benefiting and 114 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:27,839 healthfully saving lives, you know, And I think that's very important. 115 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: And uh so it's moving in the right direction, right right. 116 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. So uh as far as you being a what 117 00:07:38,079 --> 00:07:41,560 you call the mainstream scientists, are you taking any heat 118 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,120 for this writing this book? 119 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:47,439 Speaker 2: Well, you know, frankly, I could not have gotten away 120 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:50,759 with writing this book. Early in my career. I was 121 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:54,240 very concerned at the time all those great books about 122 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:59,600 alien production by Bud Hopkins, but the big groundbreaking you 123 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:05,319 abduction investigated doctor John Mack, the Harvard psychiatrist, doctor David Jacobs. 124 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,759 At that time when those books came out in the eighties, 125 00:08:08,839 --> 00:08:13,800 I really made such a connection between what they were 126 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,879 reporting on and what I had experienced that you know, 127 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:21,959 I felt compelled to report my accounts. But I really 128 00:08:23,079 --> 00:08:29,240 couldn't really do that with confidence without sacrificing my career 129 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:31,600 and also the career of my colleagues that I was 130 00:08:31,639 --> 00:08:37,840 collaborating with, because you know, if I sent a grand 131 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:41,480 proposal to the National Institutes of Health and someone flagged 132 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,759 my name as being that guy who published a book 133 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:48,759 on UFO close encounters and alien abduction alien abductions, I 134 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:50,799 don't think I would have been able to continue it 135 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,759 in the field. But today I'm much more established, really 136 00:08:54,799 --> 00:08:57,480 near the end of my career, close to retiring that 137 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,960 you know, I thought, since the disclosure of what the 138 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:08,360 government knows, according to too many investigators, is impending, or 139 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,000 at least we hope it is, I thought this was 140 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,759 the perfect time for me to tell to tell my story. 141 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:18,600 And you know, I've gotten only positive feedback, and I 142 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:25,480 should mention I've been contacted by scientists whose identity I 143 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:29,279 will protect, but who have very high level positions in 144 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:34,679 government that have had similar experiences to my own. So wow, 145 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:37,720 quick answer to your question is that the feedback has 146 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:38,639 been only positive. 147 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:45,759 Speaker 1: That's great. Now, you had your first encounter at age six, 148 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,000 I believe, and so, but at that time when I 149 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,679 mean i'd like for you to go into that what 150 00:09:51,919 --> 00:09:55,639 you what happened, what you remembered that happened. But at 151 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,679 that time you probably had no idea of what the 152 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,759 heck was going on. I mean probably, I'm just guessing, 153 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:06,440 but I should ask you how many years did take 154 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:11,440 you before you realized that this was something of an 155 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:15,759 unknown you know, presence or whatever you want to call it. 156 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: I would think, martin twenty five years, because it was 157 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:22,879 twenty five years from the time I had that that 158 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:29,840 encounter with a large group of small humanoids on board 159 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:33,559 a UFO. That's that's what I surmised happened between nineteen 160 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,879 sixty one and then in the mid eighties when I 161 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:42,960 when I just was struck and astonished and just really 162 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,000 dumbfounded at how many of the experiences that people who 163 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:55,519 report alien induction, you know, describe, paralleled those of my own. 164 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,440 And I came to the conclusion that by far the 165 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,399 alien of duction model was the best one to explain 166 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,240 what had happened to me. But that took twenty five 167 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,200 years before I was able to connect all the dots. 168 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: And when did you The same year that you had 169 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,639 your first encounter was the Betty and Barney Hill incident, 170 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:17,799 which I'm right in the very town that happened, you know, 171 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,080 I mean where they lived. I'm in Portsmouth, New Hampshire now, 172 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,039 and they lived in this town. It happened in the 173 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:26,879 White Mountains, but it was the very same year. And 174 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,879 when did you first hear and learn about the Betty 175 00:11:29,919 --> 00:11:32,519 and Barney Hill incident? 176 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: Well, to tell you the truth, that encounter you allude 177 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,240 to that I had in sixty one happened roughly two 178 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:45,159 months before Betty and Barney Hill were abducted. I was 179 00:11:45,159 --> 00:11:50,960 in Connecticut, and I didn't hear about Betty and Barney 180 00:11:51,039 --> 00:11:55,399 Hill account until, oh, I think it was maybe nineteen 181 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:01,120 sixty eight, nineteen sixty nine. I read the fascinating and 182 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,039 even chilling account, and I believe it was looking the 183 00:12:04,039 --> 00:12:07,240 old Look magazine that was a very famous periodical in 184 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:12,480 the sixties and seventies. And when I got to the 185 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,960 end of that article, as a young teenager, for some reason, 186 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:20,440 I believe that it really happened. I didn't know how 187 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,879 I knew that, but I was convinced that Benny and 188 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:26,279 Barney Hill were telling the truth. And it was almost, 189 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,240 as I write in the book, that almost as if 190 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,960 fellow travelers recognized each other that I thought, you know, 191 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:39,440 somehow I think I might have gone through something that 192 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,799 they've gone through. But I believe them, And to tell 193 00:12:42,799 --> 00:12:48,519 you the truth, I didn't really see anything that in 194 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:50,960 terms of the humanoid beings they encountered. I didn't see 195 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,799 anything like that in popular culture and magazines, books, or 196 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,919 the movies until Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind, 197 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,960 which was sixteen years after my encounter, and I believe 198 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,919 it was released. That movie was released in nineteen seventy seven. 199 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:11,639 So I again I had not what I saw in 200 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:14,879 nineteen sixty one, in terms of dozens of three and 201 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:18,440 a half the four foot tall humanoid beings with disproportionately 202 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:23,960 large hairless heads was not at all, had not had 203 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,360 all been seen in the popular culture at that time 204 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:33,279 in nineteen sixty nine when I had my encounter, And. 205 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: So why didn't you, if you would, why didn't you 206 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,279 tell us what that was like? The encounter? 207 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: Well, it was I surmised that it was in late 208 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:48,960 June or late July based on the I remember how 209 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,639 hot it was that day. My mother used to keep 210 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,000 the window in our bedroom open, and I remember just 211 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,840 nodding off to sleep and then something caught the attention 212 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,840 from outside. I saw a flash of light. I looked outside, 213 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:05,720 and just maybe not more than four to five blocks 214 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:09,799 away from where we were flying, just over the rooftops 215 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:12,279 of the apartment buildings in our neighborhood, I saw the 216 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,639 strangest looking airplane I'd ever seen in my life. It 217 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:22,759 was it appeared to have a highly polished surface reflecting sunlight. 218 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,559 Even though it was near dusk, it was still highly reflective. 219 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:30,440 And I also noticed that the fuselage seemed to be 220 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:38,600 too what's the word thick. The diameter was too great 221 00:14:38,679 --> 00:14:40,840 compared to its length. It was almost like it was 222 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,960 more circular than tubular. I think I saw wings, But 223 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:49,240 then I did the strangest thing, marn Ordinarily, I would 224 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:53,960 have been fascinated to watch this unidentified flying object for 225 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,639 as long as I could see it. But the strange 226 00:14:56,679 --> 00:14:59,159 thing was, I turned my head away from the window 227 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,960 of my bedroom to the left, put my head down 228 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,879 on the pillow, and fell asleep, almost as if under 229 00:15:06,919 --> 00:15:09,919 command to do so, when I wanted to do nothing 230 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,799 else but watch this fascinating object. Now, when I woke up, 231 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:17,480 I wasn't in my bedroom anymore. I didn't know where 232 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:19,519 I was, but I did know I was not lying 233 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:22,080 on a bed. I was lying on a very hard 234 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,080 what I think of as an examination table. I didn't 235 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,039 know what it was made of. I didn't really couldn't 236 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:31,080 really remember what color it was, but it felt hard 237 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,080 to the touch, and I did recall that it was 238 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,000 too long and too wide to accommodate the body of 239 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,399 a six year old. And I thought I was in 240 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,600 some type of clinical environment, a hospital, perhaps I didn't know. 241 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:48,159 I knew I was not in my apartment anymore. And 242 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,200 then after a few seconds, some commotion, maybe twenty feet 243 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,919 from the foot of the table that I was lying on, 244 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,399 attracted my attention, and I slowly sat up, and that's 245 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,360 when I saw them, and there were dozens of them, 246 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:07,399 the humanoid beings I just described a couple of minutes ago. 247 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:10,960 And they really looked, as I report in the book, 248 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:16,559 almost identical to the classical well now we call them 249 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:19,120 the gray aliens, but they looked identical because they were 250 00:16:19,159 --> 00:16:23,480 white in color to the humanoids that were shown at 251 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:27,159 the end of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, which, 252 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:30,480 as I say, it was released sixteen years later. And 253 00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:35,360 they looked like they were working very hard. There were 254 00:16:35,399 --> 00:16:38,480 dozens of the dozens of them walking from left to right, 255 00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:42,320 and the same number walking from right to left some 256 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,279 type of hallway outside the room I was in. There 257 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,600 was a doorway separating the room I was in from 258 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,519 what I call the hallway where these these beings were. 259 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:53,679 Speaker 1: And I. 260 00:16:55,919 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: Had a question in my mind for some reason, because 261 00:16:58,159 --> 00:17:03,279 they all looked so identical to one another. They look 262 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:06,680 like what we would call clothes today. I say they 263 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,759 were robotic, but they all looked identical in appearance, all 264 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:17,680 the same height, same weight. And although it did occur 265 00:17:17,759 --> 00:17:20,400 to me that the question came up in my mind 266 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:22,880 for some reason, it's mind of a six year old. 267 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,680 Were they all boys? Were they're all girls? Or they're 268 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,480 both boys and girls? And at that moment, via some 269 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,920 mechanism that I can't explain, I can't really call it 270 00:17:35,319 --> 00:17:38,880 a direct telepathic communication, but it was as if I 271 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,119 was made to understand yes, in fact, yes, they're both 272 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,920 sexes represented. It's almost as if someone was eavesdropping on 273 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:52,720 my internal dialogue. And I think I'll leave it there 274 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,799 because I don't want to give away the whole story 275 00:17:55,119 --> 00:18:00,559 that's in the book. But that's the last That's one 276 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:03,119 of the last things I remember during that episode. 277 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm going to ask you a few things 278 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,759 about that. But so were these beings wearing anything. 279 00:18:14,079 --> 00:18:16,799 Speaker 2: They looked white in color, and to me, they looked 280 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:22,680 like they were wearing one piece, tight fitting suits of 281 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,480 some kind, and that I could I could, viewing them 282 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,960 from inside view. I couldn't make on make on any 283 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,119 facial features. I could notice notice, of course, the disproportionately 284 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,880 large hairless heads, but no, I couldn't identify what type 285 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,000 of clothing they were wearing. 286 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:45,039 Speaker 1: And did did they approach you and touch you or 287 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,000 do you remember any of that? 288 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 2: No? They they were completely ignoring me. And the sense 289 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,640 I had was that were again they seemed to be 290 00:18:54,680 --> 00:19:00,880 motivated by a very significant serious of purpose, busness and purpose. 291 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,359 I have the sense that they were traveling back and 292 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,039 forth between other rooms, like the room I was in, 293 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:13,559 some type of large warehouse or building. But they were 294 00:19:13,599 --> 00:19:16,279 definitely ignoring me at that point. 295 00:19:17,599 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: And this area that you were in in Connecticut, are 296 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,400 you aware of people reporting any you know, UFO sightings 297 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,799 and things like that, and and that area in particular. 298 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 2: Not in that time frame, not, you know, during that 299 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:36,880 time frame but we've had We've had a lot of 300 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,920 sightings over the years, and I could remember with within 301 00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:46,880 just four years of that, there were reports of UFOs 302 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:53,079 seen very closely over power transmission lines in our neighborhood 303 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,880 and that was at the time where John J. Fuller 304 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,519 had had written his book Incident at Exeter, and again 305 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,240 many many people in New Hampshire reported the same things 306 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:09,640 that they had seen UFOs flying close to power transmission lines, 307 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:15,039 sometimes almost touching them. And I did have another sighting, 308 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,759 multiple witness siding at that time as well, maybe a 309 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:22,000 couple of weeks after there were reports in our town 310 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:27,640 of these UFOs over transmission trans power transmission lines. Had 311 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,680 a UFO close encounter right over our home and there 312 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:35,920 was another sixty five other witnesses, so there were multiple 313 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,440 multiple witnesses. Yes, we had We were playing a game 314 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,920 of kickball which was four on four, so there were 315 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:47,400 eight children around eight to ten years of age. My 316 00:20:47,519 --> 00:20:50,000 mother was also a witness. So there were nine nine 317 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,480 witnesses to this event, including myself. And if you want 318 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:56,519 me to go into it, I can go into describing 319 00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:59,640 what what does look like. I was actually I was 320 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,480 just at the edge of our driveway near the road 321 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:05,400 a playing defense, and I was the first to see it. 322 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,079 For some reason, attracted my attention. I saw the brightest 323 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,079 light I'd ever seen in the daylight or nighttime sky. 324 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,440 But I really couldn't get a good glimpse of it 325 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,319 because the view of it was blocked by a large 326 00:21:20,319 --> 00:21:23,240 oak tree we had in the center of our front lawn. 327 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:26,559 So I immediately left the group without telling anyone. I 328 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:30,359 walked directly toward our front door to to get a 329 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,559 better view. And then what I saw utterly amazed me 330 00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:40,839 was it looked like the biblical Star of Bethlehem, is 331 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,240 what I call it, A giant star in the nighttime sky. Again, 332 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:50,160 this was around dusk, but it wasn't a point source 333 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,519 of light like from a star playing a helicopter or 334 00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:57,839 airplaneer jet. This was literally at least two and a 335 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,319 half to three times the size of the It was stationary, 336 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:11,480 it was silent, and at that point all my classmates, 337 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,039 so you know that I had noticed this, and then 338 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,000 come over to where I was so as to gather 339 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:23,079 around and look at this object that had just captivated 340 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:25,519 our attention, And we looked at it for maybe thirty 341 00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:31,079 to sixty seconds, and then it transformed into another object. 342 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:37,200 And this is actually classical type of UFO close encounter. Well, 343 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,799 first you see a bright light and then it transforms 344 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,680 into what I saw and what I call a red fireball. 345 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,480 Very commonly reported in throughout the States in the sixties, 346 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:54,519 this type of UFO. This was maybe as large as 347 00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:59,519 a dime. Held it at arm's length, and it was 348 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:04,319 again silent. But then at this point when I noticed 349 00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:07,880 it had a transitioned from the biblical star Bethel him 350 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,119 to the thread fireball, then it began to began to move, 351 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:14,200 and I think I'll stop there in case you have 352 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,400 any questions about that. 353 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: No, No, that sounds You know, there's so many people 354 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:22,880 that have seen things that changed to something else. It's 355 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,039 really bizarre. And you know, I mean the ones that 356 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:29,680 are crazy is I know one Rendell from Force where 357 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,640 that object turned into five lights. And I know a 358 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,240 separate guy that he was a friend of mine on 359 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:40,799 the Antiques Roadshow and he also said that he had 360 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,720 the object he saw, which was a box shape burst 361 00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:45,960 into five lights. You know, I mean that was just 362 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000 really bizarre. And those lights, you know, blink back and 363 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,480 forth to each other and all that but there are 364 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,000 just so many that that change, you know, into something 365 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,079 else or blink out. You know, that's the other thing 366 00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:57,359 you hear. 367 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,079 Speaker 2: But I should excuse me, Mark, I should distinguish what 368 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,079 you're referring to from what I saw, where I had 369 00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:08,279 a light transform into a different type of object, but 370 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,039 it was clearly in the same location. There was only 371 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:16,720 one light, and then it began to travel in a 372 00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:22,720 southwesterly direction without changing altitude, direction or speed until it 373 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:26,359 disappeared over the horizon. So it was clearly an object 374 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,480 under some type of intelligently controlled flight, whereas sometimes in 375 00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:38,599 the types of encounters that you're describe me, one UFO 376 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,960 splinters into or breaks into several lights that seemed to 377 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,799 travel apart from each other in different directions. This was 378 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,960 clearly a different type of a UFO close encounter. 379 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: So now we have a couple. We have a question 380 00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:56,319 or two in Chad. I'm going to put one up 381 00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:58,759 in just a minute, but thank you to everyone in 382 00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:03,440 Chad and everyone that's watching this live. Uh So, your 383 00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:07,519 scientist's mind, how do you deal with this, like if 384 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:12,039 you were to approach what your story in a scientific way, 385 00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:21,440 or how does that all work for you, you. 386 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:25,599 Speaker 2: Know, you break it down into the UFO, the abduction episodes, 387 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,319 and if you know, if you see alien beings, you 388 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,799 try to look in the literature for other accounts that 389 00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:43,440 have parallel observations. And you also try to understand from 390 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,880 observing the UFO what type of power source might might 391 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,160 it have if it's generating so much light, Is that 392 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,759 light part of the power source or is it just 393 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:57,200 a byproduct? And what I of the of a source 394 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,880 of tremendous power that that we we believe the uf 395 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:05,559 need to travel so rapidly and sometimes travel instantaneously from 396 00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:07,960 point A to point B. And what I report in 397 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,480 the book is is that, you know, I describe a 398 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:14,000 theory where I believe much of the light we see 399 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,960 from the UFO is plasma. It's ionized gases in the atmosphere, 400 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,680 like what happens during lightning, and that may be attributable 401 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:29,359 to the power system of the UFO, whether it's electromagnetically 402 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,119 powered or whether it is powered by a nuclear reactor. 403 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,400 That they can all have effects in the atmosphere that 404 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:40,759 create this brilliant, brilliantly lit plasma like effect that surrounds 405 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:44,279 the UFO. So you just you try to analyze the 406 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,559 every facet of what you observe when you have a 407 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,359 UFO close encounter, and fortunately for me, when you're now 408 00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:57,519 trying to analyze at the level of the encounter with 409 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,160 what I call alien beings. I don't know if their 410 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,319 ets or inter dimensionals, but I'm able to compare what's 411 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,680 been what I saw a number of times throughout my life, 412 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,720 and I only saw one type of being. Again, they 413 00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:16,799 were shorter than four feet tall, all had these large 414 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,400 hairless heads, all uniform and appearance, all the color white, 415 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:28,359 and able to I'm able to compare anatomical or at 416 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,599 least external anatomical features of these beings to what's been 417 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,079 reported by the abduction of the UFO abduction investigators, to 418 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,759 what's been reported by Lieutenant Colonel Philip Corso in the 419 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:49,640 Day After Roswell where he actually reports on the the 420 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:55,960 Walter Reed pathologists autopsy reports of the Roswell aliens that 421 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,799 died in the crash in Roswell, New Mexico, and a 422 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:06,519 lot of what is described in those autopsy reports mirrors 423 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,039 the types the type of beings that I saw. So basically, 424 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:16,559 you know, you make observations, you compared to us two 425 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,400 observations of other investigators, that's been previously reported. And then 426 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,119 you try to generate theories based on what you observe. 427 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,039 And I do that in the final chapter of my book, 428 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,759 Dominion Lost and where I try to explain what I 429 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:37,079 think the physical nature of the grays are, whether or 430 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,960 not they're related to human beings somehow, or whether or 431 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,519 not they were genetically engineered from maybe one of our 432 00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:48,119 early prominent ancestors. And I described that in great detail. 433 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,480 But again, that's just a theory based on my observations 434 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,920 and the observations of other investigators. 435 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever heard of He's a 436 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,119 friend of mine, doctor Michael Master, that talks about time travel. 437 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,400 You know the possibility of that, Yes, is that ever 438 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,759 a consideration too? Do you think that's a possibility as well? 439 00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:10,720 Have you looked into that? 440 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: Nothing in what I've observed, what I've studied, the thought 441 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:24,119 about and investigated, and nothing I've observed in uh, the UFO, 442 00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:27,640 the large body of UFO literature that I'm familiar with, 443 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,319 can rule that out. I don't have any evidence that 444 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,119 would support that. But I haven't seen anything any evidence 445 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,279 that would rule that out. I would, you know, defer 446 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:45,519 to the physicists to study this issue, study the theoretical 447 00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:50,200 physics that would be necessary for time travel. I you know, 448 00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:59,160 I I also have to consider the ancient alien theorist 449 00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:03,839 that have obtained so much information that these same beings. 450 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,200 When I say the same beings, I mean the beings 451 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,039 that i've that i've I've seen have been around for 452 00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:14,680 probably more than thousands, probably millions of years, because there's 453 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,319 so much evidence in the archaeological record that would indicate 454 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:24,640 that that, you know, these these beings are perhaps millions 455 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,640 of years more advanced than we are, and so that 456 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:33,839 may be part of our timeline, not necessarily intelligent beings 457 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:37,440 from the future, although as I said you know before, 458 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,480 I can't really rule that out. 459 00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:43,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard, you know, the theories of how it 460 00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:48,960 would be for like beings to develop you know, elsewhere 461 00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,279 and you know, meet with us. It just would be 462 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:56,240 so tricky and haphazard that you know, they could have, 463 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,519 like you said, could have been developing millions of years 464 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,400 ago compared to us, and for our societies to line 465 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,640 up and them making it through their bottleneck of technology 466 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,640 without blowing themselves up. That type of thing and still 467 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,000 you know, continue continuing on as a species and socially 468 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:17,119 and all that. And you know, for them to meet 469 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,079 up with us, of course, there has to be a 470 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,759 vast time difference in and us compared to them. So yeah, 471 00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:27,240 I mean as far as like the ancient aliens, I 472 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:31,480 do imagine that that is uh, there really is something 473 00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:34,559 to that. Here's a question for you, and I do 474 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:39,039 believe you address this in your book, and that's about implants. 475 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,079 And just before I you know, you continue to talk 476 00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:45,680 about that. I had lou Alsandle like I said last week, 477 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:50,160 and he talked about these implants actually being propelling and 478 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,079 hiding from the doctor when they were trying to remove them, 479 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:57,039 which is pretty eerie to me. So what about implants? 480 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: Have you Yeah, yes, yes, I do. I do want 481 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,519 to respond to that. I don't want to. I don't 482 00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:10,200 want to speak about lose book Imminent because he describes it, 483 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,680 you know, in great detail of the types of implants 484 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,160 that that he's aware of. But now in my case, yes, 485 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:23,240 I can recall, as I said earlier, having a number 486 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:30,160 of experiences that mirror the accounts of abductees that whose 487 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,279 accounts were reported in the nineteen eighties, in so many 488 00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:39,400 different instances, and in one case, at the age where 489 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,119 I had my first recalled encounter with dozens of these 490 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,519 humanoid beings, I had a flashback and I could recall 491 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,119 a small implant. I call it an implant because it 492 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,559 was like a BB from a BB gun. It was 493 00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:57,920 no more than two to three millimeters in diameter. I 494 00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:01,799 remember having it having studs of projections on the outside. 495 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,680 I think it was silver and color. And the second 496 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,319 associated memory to a memory that was associated with that 497 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,599 is I remember being told that if I blew my 498 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,680 nose too hard or sneezed too forcefully, that it could 499 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,880 come out of my nose. That's how I knew it 500 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,599 was a nasal implant, and I was told to be 501 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,880 very careful, don't let this happen. I seem to recall 502 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,240 that it might have happened previously with a previous implant. 503 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:34,119 And along with this, I've had the classic physical evidence 504 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,880 physical findings that many abductees who remember having these quote 505 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,759 unquote nasal implants report they have a number of unexplained 506 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,599 strange nosebleeds where there was no prior medical condition that 507 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,240 would account for this. This happened to me at the 508 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:55,920 same age. I had an episode of missing time where 509 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,079 I didn't know what I'd done all afternoon. I was 510 00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:00,400 a lone oar apartment at the age of six years old, 511 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,519 and suddenly I felt moisture under both nostrils, and then 512 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,359 I heard a voice inside my head telling me, don't 513 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,679 let them see the blood. I didn't know I was bleeding. 514 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,480 I thought I maybe had a you know, I had 515 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,360 a cold or something, and I had a running nose. 516 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,519 But I ran to the bathroom and sure enough I 517 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:22,400 saw no blood that had trickled down from both nostrils 518 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,079 that had already reached my chin. Immediately washed it off 519 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:30,400 with water, and seconds later my mother and brother arrived 520 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,280 in the apartment. So it was almost as if I 521 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,159 was told to remove the evidence that I just had 522 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,760 an implantation which caused some trauma and the nose bleed. 523 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:44,599 And again that's very very commonly reported in the UFO 524 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:51,599 abduction literature. And in addition, Martin, I had when I 525 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,480 had my tonsils, and that nooids removed because at that 526 00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:58,800 age I had a number of very painful ear infections 527 00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:03,840 that prompted our our ant to suggest that I have 528 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,400 my tonsils and adenoids removed. At the time of that surgery, 529 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,280 the doctor reported to my father that he had found 530 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,320 a scar high in the back of the throat, behind 531 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,639 the nasal cavity that we couldn't account for I had. 532 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,960 He had wondered if I had put anything up up 533 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,920 my nose to cause this. My father had asked me this. 534 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,199 I said, no, I hadn't, So again I had the 535 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,840 physical evidence. I'll explained nosebleed. The scar the memory of 536 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,119 an implant, and in the literature, a number of abductees 537 00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:42,000 report this same type of nasalin plant, the same structure. 538 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,400 Referring to Betty Andreas and the andreasen Affair by Raymond 539 00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:51,320 Fowler reports the same thing. I've talked to another podcast 540 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,719 host that also recalls the same type of implant of 541 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,880 the same structure, but again in the literature, along along 542 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,360 with this the up the abductees that have the nasal 543 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,760 implants report again they unexplained those bleeds, and very often 544 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,719 one or more doctors find a scar inside their nasal 545 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,639 cavity or in the back of the throat, the area 546 00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:16,719 called the nasopharynx. So this is what startled me when 547 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,440 I read these reports. In the eighties. That caused me 548 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,840 to conclude that abduction is real and it also happened 549 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:24,039 to me. 550 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: Did you talk to any family members at the time 551 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,800 these things were happening about it? 552 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,679 Speaker 2: Strangely enough, I never was able to connect the dots, 553 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,960 and when I look back on it, when I was 554 00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:44,760 six years old and I had the tonsil surgery the 555 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:51,639 following February, I had concluded that I had had some 556 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,519 type of surgery in some type of hospital by the 557 00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:58,480 strangest looking doctors I'd ever seen. I didn't know why 558 00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:03,360 they were so short, why they had bald, you know, 559 00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:07,559 large heads. But I can remember, before going under anesthesia 560 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:12,360 for my tonsil surgery the following year, asking the doctor 561 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,159 why I had to have two surgeries. That's how real 562 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,480 it was to me, and he had he had. He 563 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,760 was actually had a a very curious and even started 564 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,199 look on his face, didn't answer my question when when 565 00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:31,280 I asked him. But having this belief at that age 566 00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,599 of what had happened to me, it's remarkable to me 567 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,159 that I didn't share that with anyone in my family, 568 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,679 including especially my parents, about what had happened to me. 569 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,559 The only mentioned it was to my doctor at the 570 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:49,920 time of my tonsil surgery, because I wondered why I 571 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,320 had to have two surgeries I had I had the 572 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,039 theory I had as a six year old was that 573 00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:58,519 I had to have one surgery to remove my tonsils 574 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,559 and the second to remove my adenoids. But again he 575 00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:04,719 was the only one. I mentioned it too, and we 576 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,920 never pursued it further, which which of itself is strange 577 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,639 because after that episode where he the doctor related what 578 00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:16,239 he had found to my father and we had a 579 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,519 very brief conversation with my father and I we never 580 00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:22,400 talked about it after that for years, which, as I say, 581 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,360 is strange and of itself. 582 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:31,199 Speaker 1: Now, do you have any siblings, Yes? And now yeah, 583 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,719 have you questioned them because this often I'm sure you 584 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,800 know this, that it often happens that you know siblings. 585 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,480 Are you know, talking about the same thing happening as 586 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,400 far as abductions. 587 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,039 Speaker 2: Yes, my brother has read my book from cover to 588 00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:50,119 cover and claims to have no memories of having any 589 00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:53,719 experiences like that like I've had, though I do did 590 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,800 report in the book book. I think you what you're 591 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,239 referring to, Martin, is that the evidence in the literature 592 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,400 of this of the inter generational aspect to this particular 593 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,039 phenomenon of alien abduction, where it's almost as if the 594 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:11,039 aliens doing the abduction are interests in the specific blood lines, 595 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,280 and they follow families from generation to generation to generation. 596 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,719 And I'm not going to get into it in too 597 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,280 much detail here because it would take a very long time. 598 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,320 But I do have a chapter in the book where 599 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:28,960 I describe what happened to my grandfather in the thirties 600 00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:34,119 where he had a very rare condition called cavernous sinus thrombosis. 601 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,639 That's a blood clot in one of the blood sinuses 602 00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:46,480 near the nasal cavity that is extremely rare. One in 603 00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:52,360 nineteen million people have this independently of any medical procedure, 604 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,000 and I describe all the evidence that suggest in the 605 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,840 book that he might have had the same type of 606 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,519 nasal implementation procedure that I had that went wrong, and 607 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,800 he actually developed the meningitis after this cavernous sinus thrombosis 608 00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:13,880 developed in him that took his life at the age 609 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,840 of nineteen forty two. Now, my father complained about all 610 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:24,199 throughout his life sinus sidis, sinus headaches. So I do 611 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,320 have evidence that over three generations in my family that 612 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,400 there may have been involvement of all three generations in 613 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,440 this alien abduction program. 614 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: Interesting. Here's another question here in the chat. Do you 615 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,719 still have encounters and if so, have you ever considered 616 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,880 to try to get them on video? 617 00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 2: I have, You know, I recall into my twenties and 618 00:40:56,559 --> 00:41:01,000 thirties and forties, and even after that, having again strange 619 00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:04,119 nosebleeds unexplained, those bleeds where I wake up and there's 620 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,880 blood on my pillow. This is classic, a classic experience 621 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:15,800 of the alien abductee. You know, I can't really As 622 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:21,280 a teenager, I woke up finding the same humanoid being 623 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:25,400 in my room very close to me. But since that time, 624 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,119 I can't recall episodes where I actually have seen the 625 00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:32,159 alien beings. Now through my adult life, I've had dreams 626 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,480 where I see the same type of beings on either 627 00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:38,400 side of me and I'm flying. It feels incredibly real 628 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,719 and as a report of the book, this is very 629 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,800 similar to what people report when they're being lifted up 630 00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:49,320 during an abduction and abduction event into hovering UFO. But 631 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,599 I can't really say I can recall in the past 632 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:57,480 few years having anything like I experienced in my childhood 633 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:02,239 and early adulthood. You know, I do. I do wake 634 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,880 up feeling a presence in the room. I feel a 635 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,239 weight on the bed that some that then I can't 636 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,519 feel anymore, as if something has been on the bed 637 00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:18,039 and then sat up and moved away. But nothing more 638 00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:18,880 concrete than that. 639 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: Mmmmm. Let me just see if there's any other Let's see. 640 00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,360 I'm sorry I didn't get it. Really a seat does 641 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,559 the endplanet interfere with you? Now? That endplant? If you 642 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,280 had one, it was gone right, you just had the scar. 643 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 2: You know. I can't. I can't answer that because I've 644 00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,800 never had any I've never had any medical condition which 645 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,960 will require me to have any neuroimaging, a CT scan 646 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,639 or an MRI of the brain, So I can't rule 647 00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,840 out I don't think I have it. I can't rule 648 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,639 out that I still have it. But I believe that 649 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,239 when it's implanted, it's either in the nasal cavity or 650 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,760 in the bone that surrounds one of the sinuses that 651 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,079 is called the sphenoid sinus, and this is an air 652 00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:14,960 spinus sinus, and it can be integrated into the bone 653 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:19,400 so that it has, in other words, not inside the sinus. Itself, 654 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,079 so it would have no interference at all with breathing, 655 00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:25,360 and it would probably if it's a specific material that 656 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,519 doesn't cause it an inflammatory reaction, it would not really 657 00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:32,400 be noticeable. The only time would be noticeable is if 658 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,400 it was. It would only be noticeable at the time 659 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,639 of implantation, when it could cause it bleeding or when 660 00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:42,679 it is removed. And there are abductees that remember being 661 00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:46,920 on a table where when either that nasal implant is inserted, 662 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,840 and they also remember having a probe inserted via the 663 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,039 nasal cavity, and when that probe is removed, there's a 664 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,960 spherical implant on the end of it at the end 665 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:03,360 that the probe, indicating that that was procedure to remove 666 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,480 the implant. But no, the answer to answer the question, 667 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,559 I don't believe it it ever interfered with with with 668 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:12,719 my breathing or that of any other abductee because of 669 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:18,079 the type of anatomical locations where it can be secreted. Uh. 670 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,920 In the in the abductee. 671 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,840 Speaker 1: Donna wanted to know, did you need an did you 672 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,760 need hypnosis to remember your experiences? 673 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 2: Good question. No, everything I'm reported in the book has 674 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,199 been consciously recalled and as I, as I described the book, 675 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,079 When these experiences happened to me, I didn't know what 676 00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,519 the origin of these experiences were, but they made such 677 00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,559 a strong impression on me that I thought about them 678 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,519 year after year, uh and and never forgot anything that 679 00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:59,880 had happened to me. Now I haven't had regret regressive hypnosis, 680 00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:03,599 and I've been asked, am I considering it? I am 681 00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:08,360 considering it that perhaps to uncover more of the abduction 682 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,199 experience that I can't consciously recall. But the problem is, 683 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,719 as I mentioned a few minutes ago, Martin, when I 684 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:21,360 had these experiences, I trust what I observed was not 685 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,159 a productive of my imagination, was not a result of 686 00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:29,320 contamination from the popular culture, because all of this predated 687 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,119 the whole idea of UFOs and aliens and alien abduction. 688 00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:38,519 But now this is really so prevalent in the popular culture. 689 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,079 I can't be sure if I have hypnosis that what 690 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,159 is being revealed during the hypnotic session might not be 691 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,840 a product of what I've read somewhere or what I've 692 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,639 seen in a movie. So I'm skeptical that it's going 693 00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,760 to be that hypnotic regression would be productive in my 694 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,440 particular case, and covering more memories. 695 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:02,280 Speaker 1: Well, if you decide, well, a couple of things I 696 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,639 want to say about that, and that is, if the 697 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,199 hypnotist is doing their job properly, there's not going to 698 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,960 be any feeling of any type of leading or anything 699 00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:17,320 like that. And then secondly, if you decide you want 700 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,800 to go ahead with that, I do have someone I 701 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,559 would highly recommend if that ever comes to that, to 702 00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:27,679 that point, and someone that I know that wouldn't do 703 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,760 anything like that, that would really help you, you know, 704 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,039 because you know it's not I didn't know what hypnosis was. 705 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,440 I thought, you know, I watched TV and thought it 706 00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:39,360 was like, you know, someone will lacked like a chicken, 707 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,159 you know, when you snap your fingers or something. It's ridiculous. 708 00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:45,360 So it's all about just relaxing, being able to access, 709 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,159 you know, parts of your your mind and your memory 710 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,199 that you normally went wouldn't with all the noise and everything. 711 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,039 That's basically what it is, you know. So it's uh, 712 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,159 I think I think it could you know, be helpful myself. 713 00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:03,360 But so where do you at this point? Where do 714 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,519 you stand with this whole thing? Are you hoping that 715 00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:11,199 you know, because you're a mainstream scientist that you may 716 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,960 help contribute to some type of you know, more scientific 717 00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:19,079 people looking into taking this seriously that type of thing. 718 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:20,159 What's your what's your goals? 719 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,519 Speaker 2: Well, the first goal I had was, since I'm the 720 00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:29,000 only mainstream American scientist to publish a first person account 721 00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:35,039 of UFO close encounter and alien production, that that that 722 00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:38,320 would provoke other scientists not just to contact me, which 723 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,639 has already happened, but to actually go public, perhaps to 724 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,280 do interviews, maybe to write a book. And the more 725 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:55,280 scientists that came forward, to technical people, engineers, medical professionals, 726 00:47:56,119 --> 00:48:00,280 I think it would it would prompt other science tists 727 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,079 who haven't had these experiences to take the phenomenon more seriously, 728 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,000 so that they would be more inclined to consider worthy 729 00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:14,280 of investigation. Now we have very few centers. We have 730 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,679 to get a LAYO project under Abby Lot at Harvard, 731 00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:21,800 but there, of course doctor Gary nolans a project, but 732 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:27,199 very few centers at least in the States where science 733 00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:31,599 ares are studying the biological aspects of this particular phenomenon. 734 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,280 What is the nature of the alien beings that that 735 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:41,320 we've encountered during abduction events? What what are the genealogical 736 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,400 characteristics or the neurological characteristics of the abductees. Is there 737 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:51,000 something inherent to their physiology or genetic background that targets 738 00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:55,239 them for abduction? You know, I think doctor Nolan's doing 739 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,039 some excellent work looking at at brain imaging and trying 740 00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:02,599 to to look at correlations between people who can remote 741 00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:06,760 view and experiences of the abduction phenomenal see if seeing 742 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,599 if there's something in the brains of the abductees that 743 00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:14,440 allows them to communicate with and interact with alien beings, 744 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,480 that is perhaps a reason why they were contacted. But 745 00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:21,119 it's too few and far between, and I'm just hoping 746 00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:26,280 that that there'll be more scientists that turn their attention 747 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,679 in the direction of this phenomenon and perhaps even decide 748 00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:33,840 to investigate it. Investigate it if there are sources of 749 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:34,639 funding for it. 750 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,119 Speaker 1: Right, That's always been the problem and the problem with 751 00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,519 research and UFOs. I've said when I started the show, 752 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,360 and everything changed after you know, twenty seventeen in the 753 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,239 New York Times article came out, people started to take 754 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,880 the subject seriously. But you know, prior to that, you know, 755 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,360 the scientists that I had on and would ask the 756 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,039 question that say, you know, there would never be any 757 00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:01,880 funding for research for this type of thing. And one 758 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,480 of the reasons being is that there's no you know, 759 00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:08,960 repeatable or you know, a goal to get to and 760 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,199 or all that that they could you know, probably get to, 761 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,400 you know, which is probably all well still the same. 762 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,039 You know, I don't know if in my lifetime we'll 763 00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:21,000 ever know for sure, you know what it is that 764 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,000 these things are, you know, for for sure? I mean 765 00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:27,599 you yourself mentioned you know, whether they're into dimensional or 766 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,360 you know, other other things. We really don't anyone that 767 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,840 says they know what they are, you know, you want 768 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,199 to run away from. So here's one last question and 769 00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:40,360 then we got to call it a night for this 770 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,880 part of the show. So have the nine other eyewitnesses 771 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,000 gone on the record with this, one of them being 772 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:46,480 your mother. 773 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:52,079 Speaker 2: Right, oh, you know absolutely, My mother talked about this 774 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,480 for most of her life, the close encounter we have 775 00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:59,239 with the star. Bethelhem Ufo told everyone in her family. 776 00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:04,119 Now now my brother of course you know it. It 777 00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:07,960 recalls this and he was the one of the one 778 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,079 person in the group that immediately called the police and 779 00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:13,599 they were there within two or three minutes of the call. 780 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,559 Now the others have not been in contact with just 781 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,519 my family members that would confirm that we had this 782 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:24,639 particular UFO close encounter in nineteen sixty five. 783 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, nineteen sixty five. Well so yeah, very interesting. It's 784 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,079 been a very interesting talk with you tonight. I really 785 00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:37,880 enjoyed it. Yeah. So here's the book here, Dominion loss 786 00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:42,000 A Scientists on Alien Abduction Encounters, and that is on 787 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,559 Kindle or you can get it in the book, you know, 788 00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:49,000 through Amazon right here and the links are below. So 789 00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:51,840 thank you so much. And you know, just one last 790 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,639 question we have, you know, just two minutes here. Do 791 00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:56,880 you ever do you think this is it? Or do 792 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,000 you think you have more to say on the topic. 793 00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:05,039 Speaker 2: Well, I I you know, I tell you I the 794 00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:09,519 more I read and the more I interact with groups 795 00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:15,800 from all over the world, from Australia, France, the UK, Canada, UH, 796 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,559 India and even Japan, I'm i'm I'm becoming aware that 797 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:25,800 there are areas around the globe where we're not really 798 00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:30,320 that are not receiving enough attention. One example is Japan 799 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,840 and and and I'm interested in reporting on aspects of 800 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,519 the phenomenon that that people in the in the West 801 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:43,400 maybe don't hear about I'm particularly interested about uf UFO 802 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,119 signings in Asia and China and Japan and and that's 803 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,760 that's that's going to be continued interest for me, and 804 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,320 I perhaps may result in a in a book. It's 805 00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:53,960 at some point. 806 00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:56,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent, all right, Bruce, you take care. 807 00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 2: It was it was a pleasure, and I appreciate the uh, 808 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,679 the opportunity, Martin, and good luck to you and hope 809 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,199 hopefully we'll interact at some point in the future. 810 00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:10,159 Speaker 1: All right, take care, thank you. All right, everyone, So 811 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,239 if you're listening live, jump over to the next stream 812 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,920 with Darcy Weir and Andy Marseille. And that is it 813 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,000 for this show. Thank you so much. Remember to keep 814 00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:36,480 your eyes to the sky.