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Speaker 2: That's the thing we're doing. Yeah, I I we we honestly,
Speaker 2: Uh really, no one ever calls anymore to Uh, let's
Speaker 2: talk about what's on because we got a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff on the blog today, and I actually left a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff off the blog that I found that
Speaker 2: was kind of interesting. I just figured I'd put it
Speaker 2: on next week's blog because there's a lot of little stories. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the biggest story in the country is still the horrific
Speaker 2: fires raging in southern California, and they are still raging,
Speaker 2: and Pacific Palisades is pretty much gone. At Malibu, huge
Speaker 2: swaths of Malibu are gone. Uh, this is such a
Speaker 2: devastating event. I mean really devastating, and it's easy to
Speaker 2: pick on people from California about wow. I hope you're
Speaker 2: not one of those people on the internet dunking on
Speaker 2: peoples that you disagree with politically have just lost everything.
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Speaker 2: can you not will yell out woohoo and then not
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Speaker 2: your spouse, that would be a bad idea, But you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes your actions can actually lift your mood. Sometimes if
Speaker 2: you just do and you act a certain way, your
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Speaker 6: What what was the website of our blog again?
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Speaker 2: Play that I was just gonna play this. I didn't
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Speaker 2: the blog this morning because I had an appointment this morning.
Speaker 2: Got ready, but you do, Okay, So we are having
Speaker 2: a grand old time mocking the mayor of Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: who in the most one of the most well Los
Speaker 2: Angeles has had its moments right where things have gone
Speaker 2: terribly wrong, but this is a particularly bad moment in
Speaker 2: the history of Los Angeles, California. And unfortunately their mayor, who,
Speaker 2: after the fire warnings went up flew to Ghana so
Speaker 2: she could be there for the inauguration of the new
Speaker 2: Ghanese president. And I believe it's gone. He's gonna, He's gonna,
Speaker 2: isn't Ghana? Whatever she was in Ghana when all this
Speaker 2: started happening, she has been an abject failure since she
Speaker 2: got back, and it continued last night when she had
Speaker 2: a full on Joe Biden moment while reading from prepared
Speaker 2: remarks at the lectern. Please let's hear Mayor Karen Bass
Speaker 2: of Los Angeles, California right now.
Speaker 8: If you need help, emergency information, resources and shelter is available.
Speaker 9: All of this can be found at you are l bruh,
Speaker 9: you are l oh, my god, at you are L.
Speaker 8: So one of your funny go ahead right now if
Speaker 8: you need help, emergency information, resources and shelter is available.
Speaker 9: All of this can be found at you are L.
Speaker 6: Ruh. First of all, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: Let me just explain to those of you who may
Speaker 2: not understand, you know how briefing for oppressor goes. Her
Speaker 2: staff prepared those comments, and someone on her staff was
Speaker 2: supposed to insert the u r L before they printed
Speaker 2: it out, and they just didn't, and no one fact
Speaker 2: checked it, no one looked at it. And she should
Speaker 2: have said, oh, they forgot the website, but instead she
Speaker 2: just said, you are L. You know what, that had
Speaker 2: to be incredibly comforting for the people of California that
Speaker 2: have lost everything. Their homes are destroyed, they have nowhere
Speaker 2: to go, they have no clue what's happening next.
Speaker 9: It must be.
Speaker 2: Incredibly comfort comforting for them to know that if they
Speaker 2: need help, all they have to do is go to
Speaker 2: u URL.
Speaker 3: She kept going and didn't realize it either. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I watched the full clip.
Speaker 2: She kept going, I think she doesn't know what a
Speaker 2: URL is? I mean, is that is that possible to
Speaker 2: not know what a URL is?
Speaker 3: I'm going to give her a one percent saving grace
Speaker 3: because I saw in the comments on the video.
Speaker 6: I saw with the universities there.
Speaker 3: Being UCLA and USC Maybe she thought for a second,
Speaker 3: brain farted and thought can be found maybe at like
Speaker 3: at the campuses of the.
Speaker 2: University specifically, was talking about the website. Play it again,
Speaker 2: Play it again, I mean, just play the whole thing
Speaker 2: again real quick. Here we go, because she doesn't have
Speaker 2: possible right now.
Speaker 8: If you need help, the emergency information resources and shelter
Speaker 8: is available.
Speaker 9: All of this can be found at you.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe she didn't. I thought she had mentioned websites specifically.
Speaker 6: So maybe you are.
Speaker 2: Can we hope that's the case because if not, bruh, shame, shame, shame.
Speaker 6: Where is the PIO?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and okay, that's the thing. First of all, you
Speaker 2: you know, you can make the argument the mayor needs
Speaker 2: to be heard at these press conferences.
Speaker 9: I get it.
Speaker 2: But then the mayor's says, and now here is blabbaye blah,
Speaker 2: our public information officer, which is what PIO stands for,
Speaker 2: and she is going to fill in some of the
Speaker 2: details of what we're doing. And then you step aside
Speaker 2: and you let your public information officer most of whom
Speaker 2: have come from the media. Don't you think most of
Speaker 2: the pios I have dealt with have had such a
Speaker 2: media experience in their background. That's why they're chosen to
Speaker 2: be the public information officer. So then you hand it over.
Speaker 2: But she she's a disaster.
Speaker 6: Here's the thing. Her team needs to take a page
Speaker 6: out of Joe Biden's team.
Speaker 3: When you know your leader, don't got it, hide the
Speaker 3: person as much as you can, Yep, Hide them behind
Speaker 3: a wall of people that will talk for you back
Speaker 3: and make decisions for you. They are not getting the
Speaker 3: memo that you can do that because the president could. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the mayor of LA be hidden behind the wall of
Speaker 3: pios and pr people because.
Speaker 6: Stop bliddy, you're getting front of a microphone.
Speaker 2: Hang on, have Mayor of Los Angeles salary?
Speaker 6: Should we drop up her resignation letter now? Or let
Speaker 6: her team do it?
Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna have plenty of time to point fingers later.
Speaker 2: That's her standard line now, And her standard line is
Speaker 2: she makes two hundred and thirty two dollars at four
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty three hundred. Let me try that again, Oh,
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty two, four hundred and twenty six
Speaker 2: dollars according to the La Times. Fellow farer, Oh wow, No,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, that's from twenty ten. She's got to
Speaker 2: make more than that now, mayor of Los Angeles. Blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. Two hundred and sixty nine thousand, three hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty five dollars. That is two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars too much in my opinion. But ultimately she
Speaker 2: is uh never going to have a political career after this.
Speaker 2: Can we talk for a second about something that's not
Speaker 2: on the blog because I had this yesterday. Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: has announced that she is canceled a trip that no
Speaker 2: one knew that she was going to take, and ultimately
Speaker 2: she canceled it. I'm trying to find this on Twitter
Speaker 2: very very quickly.
Speaker 10: Oh.
Speaker 6: Here it is.
Speaker 2: In response to historic wildfires in Los Angeles, the Vice
Speaker 2: President has made the decision to cancel her and the
Speaker 2: Second Gentleman's upcoming trip to Singapore, Bahrain, and Germany. She
Speaker 2: will remain in the United States to support the federal response.
Speaker 2: She thinks she still has a political career, you guys.
Speaker 2: First of all, does anybody believe that her going to
Speaker 2: Singapore Bahrain and Germany on the taxpayer dime, is anything
Speaker 2: more but a last minute vacation. I mean, come on,
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris really believes that she has a future. Someone
Speaker 2: needs to tell her she does not, and nor does
Speaker 2: Karen Vass of Los Angeles. You know what's happening. In
Speaker 2: a completely shallow, police only way of looking at what's
Speaker 2: happening in Los Angeles right now, we have several levels
Speaker 2: where women have been elevated to positions that they are
Speaker 2: not qualified for, whether it's the lesbian running the fire
Speaker 2: department or the mayor who is running Los Angeles badly.
Speaker 2: There are women failing spectacularly because they were hired because
Speaker 2: they were women, not because they were ready or right
Speaker 2: for the job. And that puts women back decades, decades,
Speaker 2: and not only that, it casts dispersions on every other
Speaker 2: woman who has made it to a position of power,
Speaker 2: who did work and get it the right way. I mean,
Speaker 2: you guys, it's like it's terrible and the people of
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. I was talking to Chuck about this today.
Speaker 2: What is going to happen in California after these fires
Speaker 2: are done is really unpredictable. Right at this very moment,
Speaker 2: because we're talking about billions of dollars in real estate
Speaker 2: that's already been destroyed, and all of it is in
Speaker 2: the exact same place. So now you have a dearth
Speaker 2: of architects and contractors. The permitting departments are going to
Speaker 2: be completely overwhelmed, and at the same time, some people
Speaker 2: are just going to give up and move Now while
Speaker 2: all of this stuff is being rebuilt, I'm guessing in California,
Speaker 2: it's probably going to take three to four years to
Speaker 2: get this stuff even rebuilt to any modicum of rebuilding.
Speaker 2: All of the money that would be in the community
Speaker 2: and in the economy from those houses, property values, property taxes,
Speaker 2: sales taxes, all of the things that used to bring
Speaker 2: in money for the state of California, they're gone, and
Speaker 2: the State of California would refuse. And I had this
Speaker 2: on the blog yesterday, but we didn't talk about it.
Speaker 2: State Farm is getting a lot of crap because they
Speaker 2: canceled a bunch of policies in the Palisades area last fall.
Speaker 2: But they did so because they went to the State
Speaker 2: of California and said, we need to charge higher premiums
Speaker 2: to cover for the increased wildfire risk that we now
Speaker 2: see in the near future, in the near future, near term,
Speaker 2: and the State of California said no, we're not gonna
Speaker 2: let you raise rates. So that means I'm guessing at
Speaker 2: least a portion of the people that were just dropped
Speaker 2: by State farm became reliant on California's own insure last resort,
Speaker 2: the state run option. So that means the state is
Speaker 2: now on the hook for helping all these people rebuild,
Speaker 2: and they're not going to have the same money coming
Speaker 2: in that they had before this thing. This fire could
Speaker 2: utterly and completely collapse California's entire system. That is a
Speaker 2: real possibility. And so the devastation here is so far reaching,
Speaker 2: and we haven't even finished it yet. These fires aren't
Speaker 2: remotely out and I don't know if.
Speaker 9: Anybody else saw this.
Speaker 2: They're literally catching people with blow torches trying to start
Speaker 2: more fires.
Speaker 9: I mean, what the hell.
Speaker 2: This is just super incredibly bad and it is not
Speaker 2: going to be a short term situation. If you think
Speaker 2: we've seen a lot of Californias before this, Holy cow,
Speaker 2: wait until they get their insurance checks and they look
Speaker 2: at their burned out house and know they're not going
Speaker 2: to be able to get it done. For four years
Speaker 2: in California because everything in California takes too long because
Speaker 2: of government, and they're going to pack up and say enough,
Speaker 2: we're done, We're out of here. That's exactly what happened
Speaker 2: in Florida after Hurricane Andrew, where I lived in North Florida,
Speaker 2: which had never had an influx of anyone from any
Speaker 2: other part of Florida. All of a sudden, we're getting
Speaker 2: all these people moving from Miami because they got a
Speaker 2: check that allowed them to move to a rural area
Speaker 2: by a decent piece of property and build a house
Speaker 2: and have money left over. They chose not to rebuild.
Speaker 2: And how far beaten down do you have to be
Speaker 2: as a Californian before you just decide it's not worth
Speaker 2: it anymore, and you look for a place with a
Speaker 2: similar climate, maybe slightly similar politics because you haven't learned
Speaker 2: your lesson.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: And then here they come Colorado. Here they come with
Speaker 2: big checks to buy real estate for cash. So here's
Speaker 2: my only thing is this, Maybe losing your home in
Speaker 2: a catastrophic fire changes your politics enough that they won't
Speaker 2: continue to help Colorado californicate itself at the rate that
Speaker 2: we have been doing so maybe just maybe, well what
Speaker 2: we'll see, we shall see. I mean, these fires are
Speaker 2: having long term repercussions, and one of them is in
Speaker 2: our insurance costs. I've got two stories today, one kind
Speaker 2: of a macro view of talking about how big insurers
Speaker 2: are starting to pull coverage in certain areas of Colorado
Speaker 2: because of the fire risks and wildfire risk and things
Speaker 2: of that nature. And this is one of those things
Speaker 2: where government is going to look at this and say, Okay,
Speaker 2: we need to further tax other taxpayers, create some kind
Speaker 2: of government option, which we've already done, and then that's
Speaker 2: going to solve the problem, when in reality they need
Speaker 2: to be going to the insurance companies and saying, what
Speaker 2: can we do as a government to decrease the risk
Speaker 2: and make it more likely that you want to cover
Speaker 2: us Here in Colorado. The big thing driving our costs
Speaker 2: here in Colorado where hail claims you know I have.
Speaker 2: I don't know them. They live several blocks away from me,
Speaker 2: but I've seen them get four new roofs in the
Speaker 2: last ten years. Now, Guys, I know haill damage can
Speaker 2: be really bad, but my house went through those same hailstorms.
Speaker 2: My neighbor's homes went through those same hailstorms. It's like
Speaker 2: every time they have a hailstorm they make a claim.
Speaker 2: We need to get better about not abusing our homeowners
Speaker 2: insurance cause right now it's going to create a disastrous
Speaker 2: situation in Colorado. In California, we'll talk more about the
Speaker 2: on the other side, because the Wall Street Journal does
Speaker 2: a deep dive, but it's paywalled, so i'll share it
Speaker 2: with you. Next, I want to finish talking about what
Speaker 2: California is going to do to our our homeowner's insurance
Speaker 2: here in Colorado, because this is this is going to
Speaker 2: be a very significant thing that we need to pay
Speaker 2: attention to. And the Wall Street Journal had a long
Speaker 2: story on it that says what wildfires mean for America's
Speaker 2: home insurance bills, with insurance losses ballooning, home insurance rates
Speaker 2: and places like Vermont and Virginia are rising too. And
Speaker 2: now this is really frustrating to me because this is
Speaker 2: one of those patently unfair things, right that you have
Speaker 2: to deal with. Say you choose to move to a
Speaker 2: place with a relatively mild climate that doesn't have a
Speaker 2: lot of natural disasters. Every place in the United States
Speaker 2: of America has some kind of natural disaster. I mean,
Speaker 2: at some point they have to deal with something. But
Speaker 2: maybe you move to a place this statistically has and
Speaker 2: you do that consciously. You choose not to try and
Speaker 2: move to the beach, even though you'd love to live
Speaker 2: at the beach, because you know that the liability there
Speaker 2: is so high, So you choose to move someplace base.
Speaker 2: And then and then all of a sudden, your insurance
Speaker 2: company is like, yeah, we're gonna have to raise your
Speaker 2: rates because people who live on the ocean in California
Speaker 2: just wiped out. You know, all their stuff was wiped out.
Speaker 2: Like this's just, in my mind, patently unfair. And yet
Speaker 2: that is how insurance works, and it has to work
Speaker 2: that way or it wouldn't work at all.
Speaker 3: And this is what.
Speaker 2: California is about to find out, because California is they
Speaker 2: have a state run insurer of last resort. I don't
Speaker 2: know how many policies they have, I don't know how
Speaker 2: much how much actual business, like with their book of
Speaker 2: business in terms of what they're now on the hook for.
Speaker 2: Looks like I'm guessing too the California probably won't have
Speaker 2: enough money in their reserves because I bet they don't
Speaker 2: hold their own insurance to the same standards they hold
Speaker 2: private insurance too. Private insurers are required by law to
Speaker 2: hold x amount of dollars in kind of liquid assets,
Speaker 2: so they're able to pay those claims should the claims
Speaker 2: come in. Now, with a kind of catastrophic situation we're
Speaker 2: seeing right now and coming on the heels of a
Speaker 2: massive hurricane that destroyed parts of North Carolina, Florida, and Georgia,
Speaker 2: you are talking massive, massive, massive insurance losses right now.
Speaker 2: So those reserves for some insurance companies are going to
Speaker 2: be tapped out. We're in a very precarious situation. So
Speaker 2: I understand that in order to make insurance work the
Speaker 2: way it does, we've got, you know, whoever lives in
Speaker 2: that low area is going to absorb some of the
Speaker 2: risk of someone who lives in a high risk area.
Speaker 2: But the problem is is that people in California who
Speaker 2: live on the ocean are not paying enough in premiums.
Speaker 2: They're not pulling their weight. And I don't even know
Speaker 2: what they're paying, but I guarantee it's not enough. Because
Speaker 2: if state farm drop policies and palisades, because the State
Speaker 2: of California would not let them raise rates to a
Speaker 2: level that they thought they could make sure that they
Speaker 2: would be able to pay their claims. Then you know
Speaker 2: that they're underpaying the state. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: I don't begrudge a single person who has a beautiful
Speaker 2: home in a high risk area because they've made the
Speaker 2: choice to do that. But boy, there are responsibilities that
Speaker 2: come along with that, and ridiculously expensive insurance is one
Speaker 2: of them. And unfortunately, if you can't afford that, then
Speaker 2: you can't afford to live on the beach. That's just
Speaker 2: the way it is. So this is very frustrating, but
Speaker 2: listen to this. A Harvard Business School study found that
Speaker 2: expensive disasters in some parts of the country affect insurance
Speaker 2: rates in others, as insurers bump up premiums for homeowners
Speaker 2: in other areas to help cover big losses. It's spread
Speaker 2: all over the country, and it spreads in a disproportionate
Speaker 2: way where some people are bearing an overwhelmingly higher cost,
Speaker 2: and the people bearing that cost often live in states
Speaker 2: where insurers face looser rules about what they can charge.
Speaker 2: Insurance regulations are set up to make sure companies' rates
Speaker 2: reflect the cost of doing business in a particular state.
Speaker 2: But in reality, the study found homeowners in places like
Speaker 2: Vermont and Virginia, which have lighter regulations, can see increased
Speaker 2: bills because what we're seeing here is California by refusing
Speaker 2: to allow those rates to reflect what market value should
Speaker 2: really be, they've now offloaded the responsibility for those higher
Speaker 2: rates into people in states that have Lucy goosey insurance situations.
Speaker 2: So California is gaming the system. And I, for one,
Speaker 2: would love to see California have to stand on its
Speaker 2: own two feet, but I think that these fires may
Speaker 2: knock what's left of California's own two feet out from
Speaker 2: under them, because this is just devastation. There's just mind blowing,
Speaker 2: absolutely mind blowing. And now there's a new brush fire.
Speaker 6: Great.
Speaker 2: Great. This is the kind of situation that even if
Speaker 2: your house doesn't burn down, people are going to want
Speaker 2: to get out of California. And because the lot of
Speaker 2: people are going to be displaced and perhaps displaced permanently,
Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of people need and
Speaker 2: by I think we see another mass exodus out of
Speaker 2: the state of California because of this, among other things.
Speaker 2: The other part of this, and we're going to get
Speaker 2: into this later because I don't want to make this
Speaker 2: into a big political thing while people are still losing
Speaker 2: their homes. But you have to wonder, at least I
Speaker 2: have to wonder what this does to California politically, because
Speaker 2: if the people of California look at their quote leadership
Speaker 2: in this disaster and then take a minute to compare
Speaker 2: it to Ron DeSantis's leadership in a similar situation, do
Speaker 2: you think at that point they start to question their
Speaker 2: political allegiances simply based on the efficacy of what they've
Speaker 2: been voting for. I mean, it's a stretch, I bet.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, perhaps this is the beginning of the
Speaker 2: end for really poor, misguided governance that focuses on all
Speaker 2: the wrong things while letting the right things crumble. And
Speaker 2: I'm telling you we in Colorado we are poised to
Speaker 2: be in the exact same situation because right now, instead
Speaker 2: of making sure that our roads in the outlying areas
Speaker 2: are good enough so emergency vehicles can pass, we are
Speaker 2: redirecting all of our road money to mass transit that
Speaker 2: no one is writing, and no one is really indicated
Speaker 2: they want to ride. That's the kicker about that.
Speaker 3: Isn't it.
Speaker 2: We're spending money on things that don't matter. We're spending
Speaker 2: money on offices and making healthcare affordable.
Speaker 6: Or some crap like that.
Speaker 2: We're spending money on more government employees. We're spending money
Speaker 2: on everything. But what are we doing to mitigate our
Speaker 2: own fire risk? What are we doing to work with
Speaker 2: insurance companies to find out what what government can do
Speaker 2: to help the citizens mitigate as much fire damage as
Speaker 2: we can. Now, I know in my neighborhood, our community
Speaker 2: is a firewise community. So our community, our HOA, we
Speaker 2: have a very love our HOA. They're not in your busines,
Speaker 2: but they're very helpful when it comes to mitigating fire risk.
Speaker 2: I mean we need more of that, right, we need
Speaker 2: more of Let's talk about how we make sure that
Speaker 2: we don't have huge stands of dead trees that just
Speaker 2: become an absolute firestorm with big wins. You know, that's
Speaker 2: the kind of stuff we need to be focused on,
Speaker 2: and yet we're not. You know, it's just our priorities
Speaker 2: are askew everybody, And I'd love to think that these
Speaker 2: kind of disasters, as horrible as they are, and I
Speaker 2: would not wish this on anyone or any state. You'd
Speaker 2: hope that we would look at this and say, Okay,
Speaker 2: what are we doing that's like that? What are we
Speaker 2: doing that's not like that? That needs to be done
Speaker 2: to make sure that we are not another version of that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd love to hear that conversation, but I
Speaker 2: don't hear anybody else having it. Anyway, when we get back.
Speaker 2: I got some good stuff on the blog today, really
Speaker 2: good stuff, but kind of some ho hum news about
Speaker 2: our housing market. I'll explain when we get back. This
Speaker 2: is the kind of partisan that is not super helpful.
Speaker 2: I realized I brought politics into it a few minutes ago,
Speaker 2: but I'm not doing it in a way that I'm
Speaker 2: not dunking on anyone in this texture said, I've had
Speaker 2: a really hard time feeling bad for California. They voted
Speaker 2: for their leadership and have continued to vote for the
Speaker 2: policies and that lead they have. I am very concerned
Speaker 2: they will move here without learning. I get it. I
Speaker 2: do get it, and I think it will be incumbent
Speaker 2: on Coloraden's to remind them of why they had to
Speaker 2: leave in the first place. But you have to understand
Speaker 2: people are not maliciously choosing bad policy. They chose this
Speaker 2: stuff because it sounded great, didn't It sounded super like
Speaker 2: we're going to solve all the world's problems. We're gonna
Speaker 2: make sure everybody's taken care of. We're gonna cure homelessness
Speaker 2: while only exacerbating it. And you know, for people, a
Speaker 2: vast majority of people, talk radio listeners are far more
Speaker 2: knowledgeable than your average bear about what's going on. Most
Speaker 2: people trip through life and they tune in and pay
Speaker 2: attention right before election, or they may skim the news
Speaker 2: every day, but they don't really pay attention. They don't
Speaker 2: look to see the long game, right, They're just taking life.
Speaker 2: They're taking history in little, tiny chunks as it comes.
Speaker 9: So you can't.
Speaker 2: Necessarily be mad at a majority of Americans, which I
Speaker 2: would say a majority of Americans fall into that camp.
Speaker 2: Some of my friends who are extremely successful, wonderful people,
Speaker 2: wonderful family people, they don't watch the news at all,
Speaker 2: not even a little bit, and their attitude is there's
Speaker 2: nothing I can do to change it, So why do
Speaker 2: I get sucked into it, involved and angry about it?
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I guess the rest of us
Speaker 2: will do the hard work for you. I don't know, Mandy,
Speaker 2: are the fires in La bad luck, liberal policies, arson
Speaker 2: or terrorism checking out our infrastructure in a major city.
Speaker 2: There's no evidence of any sort of terrorism related situation.
Speaker 2: I saw a guy who lives in California a few
Speaker 2: days ago on a television show and he said, look,
Speaker 2: everybody knows, including the insurance companies, that homeless people start
Speaker 2: fires all the time. They start them in revenge, they
Speaker 2: start them to cook something, they start them, and they
Speaker 2: never put them out. So it is inevitable that La
Speaker 2: would burn because of the number of homeless people. So
Speaker 2: the implication there is that this is some homeless person's
Speaker 2: fire that got out of control. They had arrested a
Speaker 2: guy for arson, but they said they did not have
Speaker 2: enough evidence, so we'll see what happens. My thinking is
Speaker 2: it was arsin or a down power line, because, as
Speaker 2: Adam Corolla said, this Texter just pointed out. Adam Corolla
Speaker 2: said it well on his podcast yesterday. California is spending
Speaker 2: ninety billion dollars on their high speed railed to nowhere
Speaker 2: that will never get completed, rather than spending a fraction
Speaker 2: of that undergrounding the nineteen thirties power lines in known
Speaker 2: high risk areas. That is exactly what I was talking
Speaker 2: about earlier. Stupid, idiotic, dumbass priorities, the same kind of
Speaker 2: priorities we are showing here in Colorado, just throwing out there.
Speaker 2: We're just throwing them out there. This Dexter rightly says Mandy.
Speaker 2: The problem with California moving here and choosing bad policy.
Speaker 2: We can't rely on Colorado to teach them differently. We're
Speaker 2: more blue than them at this point. This is where
Speaker 2: we need a functioning, thriving Republican party without you know,
Speaker 2: divisive people at the top pushing people out of the
Speaker 2: party who can explain why the policies that Republican candidates
Speaker 2: want to pursue are better for the state than the
Speaker 2: same old, same old they just left in California. And
Speaker 2: I think if we get another big influx of Californians,
Speaker 2: any political candidate that's running should do messaging specifically for
Speaker 2: people who just moved here. I've always thought candidate should
Speaker 2: do this and say, hey, look, you know what, welcome
Speaker 2: to our beautiful state. Here's why we love it and
Speaker 2: probably why you love it too.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about what you left and why you left it,
Speaker 2: and if you vote for my opponent, you are voting
Speaker 2: for the same policies that destroyed the state you used
Speaker 2: to love. I mean, I would go right at it, absolutely, Mandy.
Speaker 2: I see so many smokers throwing cigarette butts out the
Speaker 2: window of their car, you guys, this makes me crazy.
Speaker 2: When I was a smoker, I had a water bottle
Speaker 2: in my car, about a half full of water, and
Speaker 2: that is where I put my cigarette butts. And when
Speaker 2: it got a little bit full, I threw it away,
Speaker 2: got a different water bottle, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: Because if somebody burns my house down because somebody threw
Speaker 2: a cigarette butt out the window, I promise you you
Speaker 2: will never have a moment of rest until I die,
Speaker 2: because I will make your life a living hell if
Speaker 2: I could find out who it is. So I didn't
Speaker 2: mean to go on about this. Now when we get back,
Speaker 2: going in a completely different direction, you may have heard
Speaker 2: that magic mushrooms psilocybin has now been decriminalized in Denver
Speaker 2: and there will be a licensing program so people can
Speaker 2: use psychedelics to assist in therapy. When we get back,
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to a therapist who already works
Speaker 2: in psychedelics with ketamine and cannabis, and she is in
Speaker 2: the process of becoming a licensed provider for psilocybin. We're
Speaker 2: just going to find out what it's all about, because
Speaker 2: I actually would.
Speaker 9: Like to know.
Speaker 2: We'll do that next on KOA.
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Speaker 2: No, it's Mandy Connell.
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Speaker 2: Let me try that again with my microphone on Welcome, Welcome,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the second hour of the show. I am
Speaker 2: a trained professional. Do not attempt this at home. We
Speaker 2: are entering a whole new world in Colorado. I actually
Speaker 2: maybe an ancient world, but we'll get more to that
Speaker 2: in a month moment. A whole new world in the
Speaker 2: sense we have now decriminalized psilocybin, which is the active
Speaker 2: ingredient in magic mushrooms, and we are going to allow
Speaker 2: psilocybin or psychedelic assisted therapy in Colorado. And I would
Speaker 2: like to know more about this for two reasons. Number one,
Speaker 2: I learned a lot from the legalization of marijuana, which
Speaker 2: started out as a medicinal thing and now has turned
Speaker 2: into something much much different. So I want to find
Speaker 2: out what's happening right now with psychedelic assisted therapy, why
Speaker 2: it works, or if you know how it works, and
Speaker 2: they're therefore we can begin to understand why this is
Speaker 2: happening in the first place. And I brought someone on today.
Speaker 2: Her name is Perad Meyer. She is with Beyond the
Speaker 2: Mind Psychotherapy and she currently does psychedelicals assistant therapy that
Speaker 2: uses cannabis and ketamine, and she is already in the
Speaker 2: training process to use psilocybin parad Has anybody been licensed yet?
Speaker 2: I know it just rolled out what ten days ago,
Speaker 2: so no one's actually been licensed for that as of yet.
Speaker 4: Do you know?
Speaker 11: You know, my guess is not yet.
Speaker 10: I think it's possible people have applied, but I don't
Speaker 10: think anyone's been approved yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, I would ask you first about your current practice
Speaker 2: because you have two things I want to know about.
Speaker 2: One of them is somatic body centered psychotherapy, and if
Speaker 2: you could tell me what that is, because I fairly
Speaker 2: recently learned about this and I think it sounds very interesting.
Speaker 2: What is somatic body centered psychotherapy?
Speaker 10: Great question, So somatic therapy, what that means is we
Speaker 10: are coming with both a philosophy and you know, a
Speaker 10: protocol or a strategy to work on trauma generally, to
Speaker 10: work on trauma.
Speaker 11: Through the body rather than through our thoughts or through
Speaker 11: our behaviors.
Speaker 10: And so what that might look like is tracking our
Speaker 10: body and in really particular ways, capturing let's say a
Speaker 10: trigger or a symptom and working with it.
Speaker 11: Such that we can resolve it in the body.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I understood that to be perfectly like
Speaker 2: or what does that look like in practice? Can you
Speaker 2: give me a.
Speaker 10: Trauma specific What that looks like is when a trauma happens,
Speaker 10: when somebody has a bad experience, what happens is we
Speaker 10: get stuck. So our nervous system specifically will kind of
Speaker 10: get stuck, let's say, in a freeze response, and instead
Speaker 10: of kind of shaking it off and resolving it, what
Speaker 10: happens is we create patterns around an understanding that the
Speaker 10: world isn't safe in our body. And then we might
Speaker 10: create thoughts about that, or we might have behaviors around that,
Speaker 10: but essentially our body believes we're no longer safe. And
Speaker 10: for people who end up with PTSD or complex PTSD
Speaker 10: or kind of prolonged trauma responses, their bodies don't know
Speaker 10: that they're safe anymore.
Speaker 2: I actually this, this is gonna This probably sounds like
Speaker 2: ho come to a lot of people, Okay, but I
Speaker 2: am a huge propone of recognizing the power that our
Speaker 2: brain has over our body. That is a significant connection.
Speaker 2: I struggled with fibromyalgia for two years before I was diagnosed,
Speaker 2: and then once I started treating it like a stress
Speaker 2: related illness, I went from being in horrible pain to
Speaker 2: having no pain in like four days. So the mind
Speaker 2: body connection. Don't scoff at it, you guys. And the
Speaker 2: reason I asked about somatic therapy is because I recently
Speaker 2: talked to several people with persistent chronic PTS who said
Speaker 2: somatic therapy is the thing that cured them and gave
Speaker 2: them their lives back. And I had really never heard
Speaker 2: of it. But let me talk today. I know we
Speaker 2: were talking about psychedelic assistant therapy. Tell me about what
Speaker 2: you're doing currently with ketamine and cannabis and how that
Speaker 2: helps or assists in psychotherapy that we couldn't just get
Speaker 2: through regular talk therapy.
Speaker 11: Great question.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so ketamine, I probably will focus on that because
Speaker 10: it's more within the realm of kind of psychedelic assistant psychotherapy.
Speaker 10: It the way that I see it, in the way
Speaker 10: that a lot of people see it, is that it
Speaker 10: is a tool that is an adjunct to the therapy
Speaker 10: somebody's already doing and it so ketamine is not a psychedelic, right.
Speaker 10: Ketamine is actually dissociative anesthetic, but it has llucinogenic properties,
Speaker 10: and we're what we're learning with ketamine and with psychedelics
Speaker 10: in general, is that they have the potential to change
Speaker 10: our brains. Right, and this is really a key critical factor.
Speaker 10: And so we're looking at two things. When we add
Speaker 10: something like ketamine to a therapy process, we're looking at
Speaker 10: changes in the brain, and then we're also looking at
Speaker 10: changes in the way that we perceive ourselves. Our past are, symptoms,
Speaker 10: are issues, whatever we're working on from a different perspective,
Speaker 10: and having an experience which helps us see that so
Speaker 10: versus thinking our way through a problem.
Speaker 2: If you ingest ketamine or even psilocybin, you may have
Speaker 2: an alternate experience. But as far as changing your brain,
Speaker 2: I was reading a couple studies, because there's not that
Speaker 2: much research on this as of right now, but there
Speaker 2: were a couple studies that showed that the changes, even
Speaker 2: if the super positive changes, if they're not accompanied by
Speaker 2: ongoing therapy or e MDR or some other form of therapy,
Speaker 2: you tend to revert back to where you were in
Speaker 2: the first place. So it's not a permanent change.
Speaker 11: Is it correct?
Speaker 10: Yeah, So it's this is why we're looking at adding
Speaker 10: it to therapy. So there's so many cool things that
Speaker 10: happen in the brain with psychedelics. One of the things
Speaker 10: that happens is that with different psychedelic septances kind of
Speaker 10: mean included what the neuroscientists are saying are many things.
Speaker 11: Two of the things I'm thinking of this moment, is it.
Speaker 10: One these psychedelics actually helped clean out our brains. They
Speaker 10: clean out like the intracellular mintrix, right, So the connectivity
Speaker 10: area in our brains, so that we can remake more
Speaker 10: new connections, so that in and of itself starts to
Speaker 10: help us create changes in our lives that maybe thinking
Speaker 10: or talking through like wasn't quite enough. Right, But if
Speaker 10: we don't then integrate those sessions, the things that we
Speaker 10: learned about ourselves in let's say, academy in session, and
Speaker 10: activate them in our life, right, kind of move them forward,
Speaker 10: whether that's a behavior or a way of being, or
Speaker 10: just kind of an understanding about ourselves.
Speaker 11: We're going to revert back. You know, there's some thinking around.
Speaker 10: You know, what I would say is the coolest thing
Speaker 10: about the neuroscience that's coming out now is this idea
Speaker 10: of critical periods, and a critical period is potential for
Speaker 10: new learning in our brains.
Speaker 11: That historically we've thought ends around puberty.
Speaker 10: But we're finding with psychedelics is that different substances can
Speaker 10: reopen critical periods, meaning that we can relearn or we
Speaker 10: can learn new information for the first time dults. And
Speaker 10: so that's another reason that we want to keep integration
Speaker 10: moving forward after a psychedelic experience of therapy is that
Speaker 10: we have potential, right whether it's days or weeks, to
Speaker 10: implement something new in our brands and then in our lives.
Speaker 2: Why is this different than just regular psychotherapy? Is it
Speaker 2: for all the reasons you just said that the actual
Speaker 2: changes to the brain. Is this appropriate for people that
Speaker 2: either struggle to open up in therapy? I mean, how
Speaker 2: I guess. I guess there's a lot of people out
Speaker 2: there who say we should never legalize psychedelics in any way.
Speaker 2: Shape or form. But obviously you believe that they have
Speaker 2: a useful usefulness in certain situations. What would those situations
Speaker 2: be in your mind? Who would you recommend for this therapy?
Speaker 2: Who would you say this is not right for great?
Speaker 10: Yeah, So the way that I think about, like why
Speaker 10: would I choose a client or why would somebody benefit
Speaker 10: from this type of therapy? So psychedelics they accelerate the
Speaker 10: work that somebody is already doing. That's the way that
Speaker 10: I see it in my practice. And for somebody, let's
Speaker 10: say that is suffering from trauma. That is my specialty
Speaker 10: and what I work with the most will used as
Speaker 10: an example. They might be suffering day in and day out, right,
Speaker 10: and they're doing the therapy, they're showing up every week.
Speaker 10: We're working with all of these different really well known
Speaker 10: strategies to create healing, and it's just slow. And so
Speaker 10: psychedelics have the potential to accelerate that process. They also,
Speaker 10: as you said, have the potential to help increase safety
Speaker 10: in the room. They kind of take down our guard
Speaker 10: a little bit and so we can get deeper faster.
Speaker 9: Ok.
Speaker 10: FROs and comes to that of course, right, because sometimes
Speaker 10: that's too much for people, right, so we want to
Speaker 10: make sure it's safe for them to do at that time.
Speaker 10: The other thing is that there is this way in
Speaker 10: which we know, right we come into therapy for trauma,
Speaker 10: we know we're working on the trauma, we also have
Speaker 10: all these mechanisms to avoid it, right, and so we
Speaker 10: spend all this time trying to like, I want to
Speaker 10: work on this, but actually that's too scary, and psychedelics
Speaker 10: can really help us bypass that piece so that we
Speaker 10: can just get to the point.
Speaker 2: It strips away the consciousness that prevents you from wanting
Speaker 2: to deal with whatever it is that's right.
Speaker 10: So another kind of brain terminology, we utilize this idea
Speaker 10: of kind of bottom up processing versus top down. So
Speaker 10: if we are thinking we're using our prefrontal cortexes to process,
Speaker 10: we can also use our prefrontal cortexis to avoid versus
Speaker 10: if we're letting things come up naturally and getting out
Speaker 10: of our own way, we can actually get to the
Speaker 10: pieces of the work we need to get to more efficiently.
Speaker 2: Got a lot of questions from our text line. For
Speaker 2: parad Meyers, she is with Beyond the Mind psychotherapy. She
Speaker 2: is already doing psychedelic assistant psychotherapy. She uses cannabis and
Speaker 2: ketamine in her practice, and we'll be adding psilocybin when
Speaker 2: she's through the process of getting her training and her
Speaker 2: licensing here in Colorado. But several questions, Mandy, are your
Speaker 2: guest somatic therapy are all that experiences trauma?
Speaker 12: HM?
Speaker 2: Not necessarily. I have the beholder, and I mean that
Speaker 2: not flippantly. I think some people are deeply affected by
Speaker 2: some things that other people manage to sort of move past.
Speaker 2: I really that feels like a very individualized question, doesn't it.
Speaker 11: That's right.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So I mean the way we think about trauma
Speaker 10: is it's not the event, it's the way it impacts us.
Speaker 11: Right, So it's going to be different for everybody.
Speaker 3: This one.
Speaker 2: Somebody asked, what about microdosing? And people are microdosing now
Speaker 2: for anxiety, But I mean, is that's not what we're
Speaker 2: talking about in terms of what you're doing. That's a
Speaker 2: completely different issue, and I'm guessing as a therapist you
Speaker 2: may not be a super fan of that for people
Speaker 2: just microducing their way through life.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a really good question, and it's something that's
Speaker 10: really a hot topic in Colorado. So microdosing is the
Speaker 10: idea of taking let's say, psilocybin and taking it a
Speaker 10: certain you know, protocol, couple days in, a couple of
Speaker 10: days off, but non perceptual. You're not seeing anything, you're
Speaker 10: not feeling anything. It's just in your system, right. It's
Speaker 10: almost like taking a supplement or a vitamin versus you know,
Speaker 10: psychedelic dosing or the really big experiences people think of
Speaker 10: all the time.
Speaker 11: And then in therapy we're actually aiming for something in between.
Speaker 10: And so often people will call it like a psycholytic dose,
Speaker 10: which means you feel the impact of let's say the psilocybin.
Speaker 11: You know you're high on it.
Speaker 10: But you can also engage with a therapist in therapy
Speaker 10: and do the therapeutic process.
Speaker 12: You're not going to see my Work's.
Speaker 2: Like you're in a dead show looking at your hand
Speaker 2: for eight hours. I mean, that's not what you're after
Speaker 2: here this way?
Speaker 7: Do you know?
Speaker 3: It might be?
Speaker 2: But not in my office.
Speaker 3: Figure, Hi, I've been.
Speaker 2: Doing therapy for over ten years for one specific issue.
Speaker 2: It has never helped. I am open to trying this.
Speaker 2: That sounds like the kind of person that it might benefit.
Speaker 10: That's right, you know, when you ask this question before
Speaker 10: the really cool thing that's happening right now is that
Speaker 10: therapy is no longer just for people who are quote
Speaker 10: unquote sick or mentally ill.
Speaker 11: And so there's this huge range.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 10: So for most people that I get in my practice
Speaker 10: have that story, They've been doing talk therapy for ten years,
Speaker 10: it hasn't worked.
Speaker 11: They come in, we try something different, and it can
Speaker 11: be really profound.
Speaker 10: Other end of that spectrum is like, you don't really
Speaker 10: have to have a huge problem in your life to
Speaker 10: benefit from this kind of therapy.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 11: You might come in here and say, I just want to,
Speaker 11: like I.
Speaker 10: Don't know, feel more authentic, or engage with my partner
Speaker 10: in a deeper way, right, or engage with nature in
Speaker 10: a different way.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 11: So this is really kind of pushing the edge of
Speaker 11: what therapy can mean.
Speaker 10: You know, technically speaking, when we look at the research,
Speaker 10: we're often looking at things like treatment resistant depression or PTSD.
Speaker 11: Those are the biggies and the research you know, OCD
Speaker 11: is starting to show up.
Speaker 2: But what is are there mental health disorders that are
Speaker 2: that this is not appropriate for me?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean you know, research might show us differently
Speaker 10: later on as we progress, but currently, you know, if
Speaker 10: you have let's say schizophrenia, Probably that's not going to
Speaker 10: be a good fit. Certain types of bipolar might not
Speaker 10: be a great fit.
Speaker 11: But we're the most.
Speaker 10: Part, you know, medications and medical history aside. It's it's
Speaker 10: got a lot of potential with a lot of different conditions.
Speaker 11: And that's one of the exciting things.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about medications next. If
Speaker 2: you have someone who's already on an antidepressant or some
Speaker 2: other form of medication, is there a concern about that contraindicating.
Speaker 10: Yes, So one of the things we're looking at kind
Speaker 10: of statewide is having medical providers, you know, starting part
Speaker 10: of that intake process to make sure that this is safe.
Speaker 10: But the biggies are going to be any kind of
Speaker 10: medication that has to do with serotonin could potentially be problematic.
Speaker 10: Now that's different with ketamine, but for kind of the
Speaker 10: classic psilocybin psychedelics, antidepressants don't generally go hand in hand.
Speaker 2: When you are what is the research that we do
Speaker 2: have and I know there's not uh, I mean newer
Speaker 2: research I don't know about, but what does the research
Speaker 2: say so far? What do you see that gives you
Speaker 2: hope that this is the right way to go.
Speaker 10: You know, so neuroscience is great, obviously, I'm a proponent
Speaker 10: of that. There's a there's a ton of good stuff
Speaker 10: out there. Johns Hopkins is a great place to start.
Speaker 10: They've done a lot on psilocybin. There's some great research
Speaker 10: out in California about neuroscience. You know, things are pointing
Speaker 10: to psychedelics, psilocybin, even you know, ketamine et cetera. Are
Speaker 10: like they're opening new pathways to healing, new pathways to like,
Speaker 10: how can we do this differently?
Speaker 11: And for the most part we are seeing success, sometimes
Speaker 11: great success.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 10: The critique I would have is that research is not
Speaker 10: real life, right, and things look different in the therapy room.
Speaker 10: So you know, if you're if you're hearing like do
Speaker 10: three sessions and you're going to heal your PTSD, I
Speaker 10: would argue, that's not exactly how it works outside the lab.
Speaker 11: But it is very, very very promising.
Speaker 2: Somebody just said this, and I'll give you a chance
Speaker 2: to clarify this. You mean, I don't have to have
Speaker 2: a mental disorder to come trip in your office? Sign
Speaker 2: me up. Do you have a process to decide who
Speaker 2: becomes a patient and who does not?
Speaker 11: Great question?
Speaker 10: It depends where you go, right. So in my office,
Speaker 10: I do not accept insurance. I don't have to justify
Speaker 10: any kind of diagnosis for care.
Speaker 11: So yeah, they could come on in. That would be okay.
Speaker 10: You know, personally I tend to prioritize people that are
Speaker 10: suffering because you know they need it a little bit sooner.
Speaker 10: But the truth is is I have a big range
Speaker 10: of both who come in for ketamine currently.
Speaker 2: One last question or one last statement, and this is
Speaker 2: kind of one of the things that I don't think
Speaker 2: I need you to address, but one of the concerns
Speaker 2: a lot of people, including me, have mandy. I know
Speaker 2: a couple of people who are micro dosing for nights
Speaker 2: on the town, so get ready for the abuse. By
Speaker 2: the way, they get the doses from a friend with
Speaker 2: a prescription. I hate to see the abuse, and I
Speaker 2: want to talk to you about that aspect, because in
Speaker 2: your office you can weed out someone who would be
Speaker 2: a bad candidate. I mean, but we just saw a
Speaker 2: teenager in Bolder climb a crane when he was you know,
Speaker 2: tripping on mushrooms and accidentally kill himself. So what are
Speaker 2: your thoughts on that? Knowing you use it therapeutically that
Speaker 2: you're going to be using it therapeutically, Do you have
Speaker 2: thoughts on how to either manage that or tamp down
Speaker 2: people's fears of that becoming a bigger problem? Sure? Yeah.
Speaker 10: I mean, if we're looking at addiction in general and
Speaker 10: we just simmer it down to potential for addiction, generally speaking,
Speaker 10: at least the classic psychedelics don't have a whole lot
Speaker 10: of potential for addiction. Keta mean's a different story. Ketamine,
Speaker 10: it's kind of in the middle, right, you know, it
Speaker 10: has potential for addiction. Most people that are using ketamine
Speaker 10: recreationally and then develop a problem with it are using it,
Speaker 10: let's say, you know, often snorting it.
Speaker 11: That's very different than what we would do in therapy. Right,
Speaker 11: in therapy you have like a prescribed lozenge or something
Speaker 11: like that.
Speaker 10: You know, we see the outliers here, and often the
Speaker 10: outliers are people who are not considering who they are,
Speaker 10: how they're doing, how stable or unstable they are, what
Speaker 10: other substances they're taking, right, and maybe like don't carefully
Speaker 10: take their psychedelics and hurt themselves, right, But those are
Speaker 10: the outlier stories.
Speaker 2: Paradmi are fascinating conversation, and we chatted about this off
Speaker 2: the air before you came on. But when will you
Speaker 2: be what do you think roughly you'll be up and
Speaker 2: running through the program, through the training with the state
Speaker 2: and all of that stuff.
Speaker 10: Sure, So there's a handful of trainings for providers and
Speaker 10: in Colorado, WI, what we're going to have is facilitators
Speaker 10: versus clinical facilitators.
Speaker 11: So I'm in a clinical facilitating program.
Speaker 10: In Colorado that ends in May, and then I think
Speaker 10: it's maybe fifty hours of supervision and a number of
Speaker 10: hours of experience prior to getting licensed.
Speaker 11: But I do know, yeah, probably in the next year.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of people on the text line
Speaker 2: that are asking very specific questions about specific conditions. So
Speaker 2: what I'm going to do, because we're out of time,
Speaker 2: I'm going to I put a link to doctor Myer's
Speaker 2: website so people can email you, they can contact you.
Speaker 2: If you have specific conditions, Please just reach out to
Speaker 2: her because I'm sure that every situation she's going to
Speaker 2: have follow up questions that are going to need to
Speaker 2: be answered.
Speaker 9: But very very.
Speaker 2: Interesting parad Thank you so much for coming on and
Speaker 2: talking about this, and perhaps we'll have you on again
Speaker 2: in seven or eight months to kind of check in
Speaker 2: to see how the next stage is going and if
Speaker 2: you're still happy with the developments here in Colorado. But
Speaker 2: I very much appreciate your time today.
Speaker 11: Awesome, Thank you so much. Mandy.
Speaker 2: All right, that is perad Meyer, and again you can
Speaker 2: find her information at her website Beyond the Mind Psychotherapy,
Speaker 2: and she will have be happy to answer all of
Speaker 2: your questions. So really interesting stuff, very very interesting stuff.
Speaker 2: And several of you are weighing in with your tripping
Speaker 2: stories from back in the day, and yeah, I just
Speaker 2: reach out if you have questions, So there you go.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a whole new world in Colorado.
Speaker 2: And as I said before and then sixty four really
Speaker 2: should have told everyone, really opened everyone's eyes to how
Speaker 2: bad things can get. So I am nervous. I am
Speaker 2: not altogether. I don't know if this has been a
Speaker 2: real struggle for me because I have always considered myself
Speaker 2: a small l libertarian, and I'm like, look, adults should
Speaker 2: be able to do whatever they want to do, but
Speaker 2: I don't want to be responsible for whatever their poor
Speaker 2: choices are. Right, if you spend all your money on
Speaker 2: drugs and alcohol. I don't want to give you mine
Speaker 2: in the form of tax dollars, but it's just gotten
Speaker 2: so it has made everyone else's lives so miserable that
Speaker 2: it has almost beaten the small libertarian out of me.
Speaker 2: This textor said, Mandy, you can still be a libertarian
Speaker 2: and be against this stuff because it's not administered or
Speaker 2: enforced properly. Tell me if you disagree. But my loose
Speaker 2: definition of libertarian is you do. You just don't make
Speaker 2: me pay for it. The marijuana things should have been
Speaker 2: up behind closed doors, but we allowed public use and intoxication.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. Get high all you want, but keep
Speaker 2: it on your own private property, and behind the wheel
Speaker 2: is not included in private property. I agree wholeheartedly. So
Speaker 2: maybe my issue isn't necessarily about legalization, but about the
Speaker 2: response to all of the other quality of life crimes
Speaker 2: that now negatively affect me in the Denver metro area
Speaker 2: because of someone else's choices. Because, as you know, libertarians
Speaker 2: love to say your right to punch stops at my nose.
Speaker 2: So you're right, Texter, you're right. Just wish they'd do
Speaker 2: a better job at it. Speaking of doing a better
Speaker 2: job at it, Governor of Polis had his State of
Speaker 2: the State address yesterday and there was a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff in it, and you know, we're gonna make housing
Speaker 2: affordably again.
Speaker 7: Yay.
Speaker 2: One of the surprising things that he said was that
Speaker 2: he supported Donald Trump coming to Colorado to deport illegal
Speaker 2: immigrants who had committed crimes. However, he said he drew
Speaker 2: the line at just deporting people who were law abiding citizens. That,
Speaker 2: my friends, is what you do when you're running for president.
Speaker 2: You don't want to pick a fight with Trump because
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom already has. Gavin Newsom one has to wonder
Speaker 2: if his political future is over, at least for the
Speaker 2: next ten years, over what's going on right now in California,
Speaker 2: and if he ends up running against someone like Ron
Speaker 2: de Santis, who has handled emergency after emergency like a
Speaker 2: freakin' boss, he's done for politically when it comes to
Speaker 2: running for president. But Jared Polis, I'm telling you, if
Speaker 2: you watch what Jared Polis does between now and the
Speaker 2: time he announces that he is seeking the Democratic candidacy
Speaker 2: for president, you're going to see a masterclass in strategy,
Speaker 2: slow drip strategy. If you watch the speech, and I
Speaker 2: watched about three quarters of it. Guy just didn't have
Speaker 2: time to finish it. It wasn't like some you know,
Speaker 2: principled stance I took not watching the rest of the speech.
Speaker 2: I just didn't have time to watch the whole thing
Speaker 2: in it. He referred to Colorado as the free state
Speaker 2: of Colorado multiple times. And this is this new thing, right,
Speaker 2: because Ron DeSantis is currently truly overseeing the free state
Speaker 2: of Florida. But Jared Polus needs to brand us as
Speaker 2: the free state of Florida in order to be able
Speaker 2: to compete with Ron DeSantis on the freedom measure. And
Speaker 2: now we all know that over the last few years,
Speaker 2: the Democratic legislature has chipped away at our gun rights.
Speaker 2: They have chipped away at parental rights and your right
Speaker 2: as a parent to know that your child has decided
Speaker 2: that they are the other gender. They have chipped away
Speaker 2: at a parent's ability to decide when they learned about
Speaker 2: graphic sex education, things like learning about sex work in
Speaker 2: first grade. They've chipped away in a lot of our freedoms.
Speaker 2: They've chipped away at your freedom to get a freaking
Speaker 2: plastic bag. But he's going to rebrand us as the
Speaker 2: freedom loving Colorado. But listen, to this, I think we're
Speaker 2: entering into a new age of new speak. Democrats are
Speaker 2: going to try and repackage government forced oppression as freedom.
Speaker 2: Listen to this. Senate Majority Leader Robert Rodriguez, Democrat Denver,
Speaker 2: use the governor's phrase of the day to push legislation
Speaker 2: he hopes to pass this session that would get rid
Speaker 2: of a law requiring a higher election threshold before unions
Speaker 2: can collect dues from non union members in a unionized workplace. Now,
Speaker 2: to be clear, that bill is going to force people
Speaker 2: who do not want to belong to a union to
Speaker 2: give their hard earned dollars to the union that they
Speaker 2: don't want to belong to. But Robert Rodriguez, this is
Speaker 2: what he says. I think, for as many times as
Speaker 2: he said free state in there, maybe the free state
Speaker 2: of Colorado's government shouldn't get involved with an employer employee
Speaker 2: business thing and insert themselves into a negotiation. As somebody
Speaker 2: who wants workers to have a voice and to say
Speaker 2: in their business operations and protect themselves and wages and
Speaker 2: being harmed, I'm a big advocate for promoting that. So
Speaker 2: to be clear, he is saying that forcing people who
Speaker 2: do not want to be a part of a union
Speaker 2: to then fork over their hard earned dollars involuntary and
Speaker 2: against their will. He's calling that freedom. This is the
Speaker 2: new thing. This is what we're gonna see now. They're
Speaker 2: gonna take every single bit of oppression and they are
Speaker 2: going to repackage it as freedom. It's going to be absurd,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell you about it every single
Speaker 2: time it happens. Freedom means that you give a business
Speaker 2: the right to say i'd like unionized employees or not.
Speaker 2: That's freedom. Freedom is allowing a worker to say, you
Speaker 2: know what, I appreciate that I work in a unionized workforce,
Speaker 2: but you guys donate to money that I completely disagree
Speaker 2: with and I don't want to give you any of
Speaker 2: mine to.
Speaker 7: Do that with.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'll negotiate my own contract if I need to.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's freedom. So he's certainly not talking about
Speaker 2: freedom in this paragraph. It's astounding that they really do
Speaker 2: think you're that stupid. They think you're too dumb to
Speaker 2: realize what I just said. And they think that if
Speaker 2: they just keep telling you it was the same thing
Speaker 2: they just did in the presidential election cycle, though, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: They ran around telling you Hey, you know what, This
Speaker 2: economy is on fire? Can't you fail it cooking? When
Speaker 2: you're out there going well, why can't I afford gas?
Speaker 2: Why is my property taxes going up so much? What
Speaker 2: is happening? I can't afford life. Everything costs twenty percent
Speaker 2: more than it did a few years ago. And they're
Speaker 2: telling you this economy is great. It's going to be
Speaker 2: the same thing in Colorado. They're gonna shove more government
Speaker 2: regulation down your throat. They're gonna shove more rules down
Speaker 2: your throat. I we own a rental property and we
Speaker 2: have a property manager. And if any of you have
Speaker 2: a rental property that you are tired of the day
Speaker 2: to day management of that rental property, you send me
Speaker 2: an email, and I will send you the name of
Speaker 2: my property manager, because she is outstanding. And at the
Speaker 2: end of the year, she sent us an email that
Speaker 2: showed all of the laws that have been passed against landlords.
Speaker 2: And I say against landlords. And if you don't believe
Speaker 2: the Democratic legislature is anti landlord, listen to this one
Speaker 2: rule change. And there's a whole bunch more, whole bunch
Speaker 2: more that I could share with you, but I'm not
Speaker 2: because I don't want to bore you. If you're not
Speaker 2: a landlord in Colorado, if you have to file eviction
Speaker 2: proceedings to evict someone from your property, and this could
Speaker 2: be because they haven't paid their rent in six months
Speaker 2: or whatever. Maybe they've destroyed your property and you want
Speaker 2: them out. Maybe they're they're engaging in a legal activity
Speaker 2: in that property, or whatever the reason you want them
Speaker 2: out of your property. You now have to pay a
Speaker 2: fee to the city that will then fund your tenants eviction.
Speaker 2: So you are now paying for both sides of the eviction.
Speaker 2: If that is not we hate landlords, what is? Because
Speaker 2: that is insane. They act like every landlord is a
Speaker 2: slum lord. They act like every landlord mistreats tenants. They
Speaker 2: act like every landlord is the worst thing in the
Speaker 2: world here in Colorado. I mean absolutely the worst. So
Speaker 2: you know, whatever Jared Paula said, it doesn't matter for Colorado.
Speaker 2: It's all about how it looks when he runs for president.
Speaker 2: That's all it is. And if you know what, here's
Speaker 2: the thing, if he's not running for president, then I
Speaker 2: would love to have a conversation with him where he's
Speaker 2: gonna explain to me some of the things that he's
Speaker 2: done that make no sense for Colorado's but are definitely
Speaker 2: with an eye to where he's going next. This free
Speaker 2: State of Colorado crap is either designed to make us
Speaker 2: you know who, you're gonna believe your own lie in
Speaker 2: eyes or the governor. That's how that feels. Yesterday I
Speaker 2: went to the store. There were some eggs in the store,
Speaker 2: so we've made progress out of the I don't know,
Speaker 2: eight doors worth in the case of eggs, they had
Speaker 2: like three doors worth of eggs. They had one pack
Speaker 2: of the pasture raised eggs that I liked. They were
Speaker 2: ten dollars and forty nine cents and I paid it.
Speaker 2: And for all the people in the new media running
Speaker 2: around here saying that this is everywhere with the egg thing,
Speaker 2: you guys on a regular basis, I am asking my
Speaker 2: friends in other states to tell me what their egg
Speaker 2: situation is. And they're all like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 9: What are you talking?
Speaker 2: Of course, we have eggs. It is not across the country.
Speaker 2: Don't buy that lie either. Call some friends, call some relatives,
Speaker 2: call people that live around the state. They are not
Speaker 2: facing the same egg. Go to Wyoming, for God's sake.
Speaker 2: They're not facing the same egg shortage as we are here.
Speaker 2: I don't care what anybody else says. It is insane, Mandy.
Speaker 2: Those union news can also be donated to political organizations
Speaker 2: that you don't agree with. Correct, So if they want
Speaker 2: to ban unions from making political donations, I would think
Speaker 2: that making someone pay union dues would be a reasonable
Speaker 2: thing to ask. But do you think that's ever gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Hell no, because the Democrats know that that basically is
Speaker 2: their slush fund and they're not going to dry that up.
Speaker 2: I want to share this text message and then I
Speaker 2: we'll move on from this union talk.
Speaker 9: Mandy.
Speaker 2: I live in Missouri and I'm a fee in my union.
Speaker 2: That means I only pay chargeable fees, so not one
Speaker 2: dime of my money goes to the Democrats. To do this,
Speaker 2: I had to send notarized letters to both the local
Speaker 2: union and the international chapter. And I had to send
Speaker 2: it at a specific time of the year. And that's
Speaker 2: probably not under consideration to make us more free that
Speaker 2: you should be able to opt out all year long.
Speaker 2: You should just be able to send an email and
Speaker 2: say no, I'm good, I am good. So lots of
Speaker 2: stuff on the blog today, and one quick story. I
Speaker 2: want to get in really quickly. Right now is the
Speaker 2: time of year. It's colder than the hell. When you
Speaker 2: go outside to start your car, a lot of people
Speaker 2: do what's called puffing. You start the car, you leave it,
Speaker 2: you go back inside to stay warm. And in Oravada
Speaker 2: recently two cars we're gone when someone showed up to
Speaker 2: make them go too. We're stolen in the same manner
Speaker 2: last week on the same morning. Now, I went to
Speaker 2: Consumer Reports and an organization I've trusted for a long time,
Speaker 2: even though they don't always get everything right. Consumer Reports
Speaker 2: chief mechanic John Ibbitson says that giving the engine a
Speaker 2: chance to run for a minute, one minute, sixty seconds
Speaker 2: before driving on a cold day is smart, but there's
Speaker 2: no need to let it run longer beyond warming the
Speaker 2: cabin and defogging the windshield. And there's a real downside
Speaker 2: wasting fuel and generating emissions. And if you go back
Speaker 2: to what just happened in Nevada, possibly getting your car stolen.
Speaker 2: An engine is fully lubricated long before it reaches fully
Speaker 2: operating temperature. When your car sits for an extended period
Speaker 2: of time, the oil drains down to the bottom of
Speaker 2: the oil pan. Once you start the engine, the oil
Speaker 2: pump quickly circulates the oil throughout the motor, lubricating all
Speaker 2: the necessary moving parts. A cold engine idols at twelve
Speaker 2: hundred rpm or more, making it quick work of the
Speaker 2: lubrication process.
Speaker 6: So you do not have to do that.
Speaker 2: You do not have to let your car. I mean,
Speaker 2: I understand one of your car to be nice and
Speaker 2: toasty warm. I don't care. I get in, I start
Speaker 2: my car, I'd pull out of the garage. I'd close
Speaker 2: the garage door behind me. I sit there for like
Speaker 2: thirty seconds, and then I'm off pull out of the
Speaker 2: what garage?
Speaker 6: One more time?
Speaker 2: Garage?
Speaker 6: Not everyone has a luxury parking garage to leave us alone.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, but I would still walk out. If
Speaker 2: let's just say my car is parked in front of
Speaker 2: my house, I would walk out. I would get in,
Speaker 2: I would start the car. I would sit there for
Speaker 2: thirty seconds, and then I would drive auto. What I
Speaker 2: do auto start? Before I don't start, your car remains locked.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 6: You know, I just wanted to make a point.
Speaker 2: We're talking about people who are starting their cars and
Speaker 2: then I'm assuming Wait a minute, wait a minute, let
Speaker 2: me see here.
Speaker 6: One would assume, yes, she started her.
Speaker 2: Car, realized she left something inside her house, she ran
Speaker 2: back in with her keys still in the ignition grab
Speaker 2: your coffee, and someone stole her car.
Speaker 6: I can't do that.
Speaker 13: That person was quick, that person was like casing the
Speaker 13: house to be that fast, or maybe just perfect crime
Speaker 13: of opportunity, you know, real perfect yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, puffing is illegal in the state of Colorado.
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to leave your car idling, even in
Speaker 2: the super cold weather. But with our car theft situation,
Speaker 2: it just feels like a uh, you know, an opportunity
Speaker 2: for an enterprising criminal to go ahead and steal your car.
Speaker 2: So there you go. Coming up in the next hour,
Speaker 2: we're gonn let's do a two minute drill here. Oh no,
Speaker 2: we got a guest to too. We've got Javon coming
Speaker 2: on from the Marcus Brain Institute at SeeU and Shoots
Speaker 2: and they're doing amazing thing for people with traumatic brain injury.
Speaker 2: Today is like how to fix your brain day. We
Speaker 2: talked about psychedelic A sisted therapy earlier, and now we
Speaker 2: are talking about about traumatic brain injuries and some of
Speaker 2: the stuff that they are doing at the Marcus Institute.
Speaker 2: Had a conversation with my friend Rob today and he
Speaker 2: is now an ambassador for the Marcus Institute because of
Speaker 2: the kind of help that they helped provide him. So
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk to Java Bear from the Marcus Brain
Speaker 2: Health Institute next.
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Speaker 1: Accident and Injury Lawyers.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the third hour of the show, and we
Speaker 2: hear a lot about traumatic brain injury and how devastating
Speaker 2: they can be. So it's time to check in with
Speaker 2: Javon Bear. He's the Community Outreach specialist for the Marcus
Speaker 2: Institute for Brain Health at CU and Shoots Medical Campus.
Speaker 2: And Javon, first of all, welcome to the show.
Speaker 12: Thank you so much for having me many it's a
Speaker 12: pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2: I want you to just kind of start by talking
Speaker 2: about what traumatic brain injury is and how it can
Speaker 2: create long term problems for people.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so traumatic brain injury is in the In recent years,
Speaker 14: the research has changed about it. You know, we used
Speaker 14: to think of traumatic brain injury as simply just a
Speaker 14: concussion or blunt force trauma to the head.
Speaker 12: But especially in the community that.
Speaker 14: We service at the Marcus Institute for Brain Health, veterans,
Speaker 14: active duty service members, and first responders, we found that
Speaker 14: so many things like last exposure, exposure to big guns,
Speaker 14: cruiser weapons, things like that also cause those waves from
Speaker 14: those kind of weapons are are causing traumatic brain injuries
Speaker 14: as well. So are those basically so many of the symptoms.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, go ahead, sorry, No, are those percussive injuries?
Speaker 2: Like if you're standing next to a really big gun,
Speaker 2: even if you have ear protection, that boom, is that
Speaker 2: causing like the brain to bounce off the skull? What
Speaker 2: do we talk about here?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 12: Of course.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 14: So when you think about the best examples for like
Speaker 14: the military per se like artillery and mortarman, you know,
Speaker 14: when they spend so much time launching those rounds in
Speaker 14: that concussive wave that if you've ever felt an explosion,
Speaker 14: you know you can feel it going through your internal
Speaker 14: organs and the brain is no different.
Speaker 12: It's also you know, rattling it back and forth in
Speaker 12: the skull like that.
Speaker 2: What are some of the long term symptoms that you
Speaker 2: see people being challenged by.
Speaker 14: So, you know, sleeplessness, depression, there's a link to suicidal ideation.
Speaker 14: There's cognitive issues, there's speech issues, you know, where the
Speaker 14: brain is just not connecting like it used to and
Speaker 14: so you might have a thought on the tip of
Speaker 14: your tongue but you just can't find the the resources
Speaker 14: to get it out.
Speaker 12: So you know, it's obviously the brain controls everything.
Speaker 14: And when it starts to sustain these long term injuries,
Speaker 14: you know, it starts to slow kind of everything down
Speaker 14: to balance.
Speaker 2: These symptoms sound like classic symptoms of post traumatic stress.
Speaker 2: How are those things connected or are we looking at
Speaker 2: something as a psychological issue that could actually be a
Speaker 2: brain damage in a brain injury issue.
Speaker 14: Yeah, So the it's interesting you bring that up because
Speaker 14: the link between PTSD and TBIs is very close. And
Speaker 14: what we found out at the Marcus Institute is for
Speaker 14: a long time, TBIs in service members and first responders,
Speaker 14: we're actually misdiagnosed as PTSD because the symptoms.
Speaker 12: Are so so close.
Speaker 14: But when you're not treating the root cause of a
Speaker 14: brain injury and you're only treating you know, say the
Speaker 14: post traumatic stress through through medication or something like that,
Speaker 14: you're not actually getting to the to the root cause.
Speaker 14: So we try to look at it as like a
Speaker 14: Venn diagram of PTSD and TBI.
Speaker 2: So I've always heard that the brain, you know, once
Speaker 2: you kill a brain cell, you don't get a new one.
Speaker 2: And we're now learning a lot more about brain plasticity
Speaker 2: and the brain's ability to regenerate certain pathways. How do
Speaker 2: you work with someone who has a traumatic brain injury?
Speaker 2: How do you fix that?
Speaker 14: Well, yeah, and you're right, that whole that whole old
Speaker 14: idea of you know, once the brain cells are gone,
Speaker 14: they're gone.
Speaker 12: Thankfully, we've discovered that that's not true.
Speaker 14: What we do at the Marcus Institute is we take
Speaker 14: a holistic approach to treating the brain. So when patients
Speaker 14: come to see us, we use an interdisciplinary modality your
Speaker 14: team to address all the different aspects that can be affected.
Speaker 12: So patients will visit.
Speaker 14: With neurologists, neuropsychologist, cognitive therapists, speech language pathology, even like equine.
Speaker 12: Therapy and art therapy.
Speaker 14: So we try to look at every part of the brain,
Speaker 14: from your balance to your speech to your vision, everything
Speaker 14: that could be affected and try to figure out, you know,
Speaker 14: how we can individualize that treatment to that patient.
Speaker 12: Everybody's brain is going to be injured in you know,
Speaker 12: a different fashion.
Speaker 2: I was talking to a friend of mine who went
Speaker 2: through the evaluation with you guys, and he said it
Speaker 2: was some of the most intense three days of his life.
Speaker 2: That he was exhausted at the end of it. And
Speaker 2: it sounds like that process is the process I mean, meaning,
Speaker 2: do you put people through this kind of grueling And
Speaker 2: I don't use the word grueling to mean you're lifting
Speaker 2: heavy rocks, which is mentally grueling. Testing is that part
Speaker 2: of the test to see exactly where they are or
Speaker 2: how they're doing you know what I mean? Are you
Speaker 2: testing someone's limits by by putting them through a pretty
Speaker 2: rigorous intake process.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, so it's not it's not so much of
Speaker 14: testing the limits, as you know, we want to make
Speaker 14: sure that the person that we're treating is the right
Speaker 14: fit for our clinic, and so to make sure that,
Speaker 14: you know, it's actually more TBI than PTSD because we
Speaker 14: have some.
Speaker 12: Other resources for that.
Speaker 14: But but yeah, the you know, that's a common consensus
Speaker 14: of our patients when they go through the treatment, it
Speaker 14: is incredibly intensive. You know, for spending your day in
Speaker 14: a clinic, going from appointment to appointment, you'd be amazed
Speaker 14: with how exhausted you are. But the beauty of that
Speaker 14: is and I you know, we tell this to all
Speaker 14: of our patients. The more willing you are to come
Speaker 14: into the clinic and be honest with us and be
Speaker 14: willing to open up about, you know, all of the
Speaker 14: injuries that you've sustained, the traumas that you have sustained,
Speaker 14: The more willing you are to be open, the more
Speaker 14: that we can pull out of you and help you heal.
Speaker 12: So that's where that exhaustion comes from.
Speaker 14: You know, you're you will be spending some time, you know,
Speaker 14: reopening some wounds and rediscovering some things, but with the
Speaker 14: idea of moving past all of that.
Speaker 2: We have a question from the text line, and I
Speaker 2: think I know that gist of what this person is asking.
Speaker 2: It says, can you and your brain be okay for
Speaker 2: a long time after some exposure then get symptoms years later?
Speaker 12: One hundred percent?
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, So you know, the when your brain is injured,
Speaker 14: it's a lot like injuring any other part of your body,
Speaker 14: like an ankle, for example, and if you don't get
Speaker 14: that treated right away, you will you know, not only
Speaker 14: will the injury get worse, but you're going to start
Speaker 14: to develop natural coping mechanisms that might not be the
Speaker 14: most beneficial towards me.
Speaker 12: So, yeah, we have we have patients that come to
Speaker 12: our clinic that.
Speaker 14: Have been out of the military, out of service for
Speaker 14: you know, twenty thirty years, and they've gotten to that
Speaker 14: point where you know, there's just they recognize that something
Speaker 14: is wrong and they need that help. So we encourage
Speaker 14: if you do think you have a brain injury, to
Speaker 14: please reach out us sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2: What are some of the common reasons that people give
Speaker 2: for coming in, What are the what are the catalysts
Speaker 2: that spur them into the Markets Institute for Brain Health.
Speaker 14: Well, you know, with us treating exclusively veterans and first responders,
Speaker 14: we get we get people that have been treated usually
Speaker 14: the VA or some kind of similar entity that they've
Speaker 14: gone to for help with PTSD, help with sleeplessness, help
Speaker 14: with cognitive issues, and you know, through the process of
Speaker 14: you know, bureaucracies like the VA, they have just kind
Speaker 14: of felt untreated unseen unheard, and it's those Usually it's
Speaker 14: a combination of those PTSD like symptoms that have gone
Speaker 14: on for so long untreated or unresolved.
Speaker 12: Rather that that's what brings people to our door.
Speaker 2: Do people have to go through the VA if they
Speaker 2: are a veteran who has triycare or some other form
Speaker 2: of insurance? How can they get to you if they're
Speaker 2: listening right now and maybe they're not really in any
Speaker 2: treatment at all. Do they start somewhere else before they
Speaker 2: come to you, guys, or can you help them first?
Speaker 12: No, So that's the beauty of it. We're not connected
Speaker 12: with the VA.
Speaker 14: We do have a liaison to help out people in
Speaker 14: that respect, but we are we're entirely philanthropic everything we do.
Speaker 14: There is no out of pocket cut for veterans, first
Speaker 14: responders or active duty. Okay, we cover travel, lodging, the
Speaker 14: whole nine yards. The website that you have linked for
Speaker 14: people to look up. It's as simple as going on
Speaker 14: there and beginning your intake form and then one of
Speaker 14: our wonderful intake team members will spend some time on
Speaker 14: the phone and get to know you, get to know
Speaker 14: a little bit of the issues that you're dealing with
Speaker 14: and get you out for an evaluation.
Speaker 2: Somebody just asks, can you confirm a TBI while someone
Speaker 2: is alive?
Speaker 9: I think that they are.
Speaker 2: Putting CTE and traumatic brain injury in the same bucket,
Speaker 2: but that's not necessarily true. How do you know the TBI?
Speaker 12: Well, the TBI. Yeah, So to answer their question, yes,
Speaker 12: one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: We can.
Speaker 12: We can see these when when you are alive, and
Speaker 12: the way.
Speaker 14: To diagnose it without you know, like an MRI scan
Speaker 14: can but also sometimes you can't see those injuries. So
Speaker 14: that's why for us, it's more of a symptomatic thing.
Speaker 14: Okay if you can, like and it doesn't have to
Speaker 14: be documented either. If you come and say, like, hey,
Speaker 14: you know X number of years ago, I was in
Speaker 14: the military, I hit my head and nothing's been the
Speaker 14: same since. That's where our team of clinicians and physicians
Speaker 14: are going to look and see like, Okay, are these
Speaker 14: symptoms that you're having, are they directly correlated to this
Speaker 14: head injury? And is this something that we can help
Speaker 14: you work past.
Speaker 2: Javon Bear is my guest, and the organization that we're
Speaker 2: talking to or talking about is the Marcus Institute for
Speaker 2: Brain Health. Jevon, this is a fascinating conversation. I would
Speaker 2: love to come and see what you guys do there,
Speaker 2: if that would be possible, I would love it because.
Speaker 12: I think anytime then in our community, we have so.
Speaker 2: Many veterans, so many first responders, and I think a
Speaker 2: lot of them have the tendency to downplay the symptoms
Speaker 2: that they're dealing with. Perhaps they don't want to think
Speaker 2: about whether or not they have PTS, or maybe they
Speaker 2: haven't considered the fact that this might be a brain
Speaker 2: injury instead of just you know, a psychological issue that
Speaker 2: they don't want to deal with. I guess that's the
Speaker 2: best way to put it. Javon Beer, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for your time today.
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 12: It's been a been a pleasure to be able to
Speaker 12: talk about this.
Speaker 2: Last question from the text line, do you have to
Speaker 2: be a veteran or first responder to get an evaluation
Speaker 2: and treatment?
Speaker 14: Yes, we do treat exclusively veterans, first responders, and as
Speaker 14: of last year, active duty service members as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you got to be in that category to
Speaker 2: make that happen. Javon, great information. Thank you so much.
Speaker 9: Thank you.
Speaker 2: You know we forgot Joon hang on. You got to
Speaker 2: hang on through a break because we've got to talk
Speaker 2: about the Gaylen. I have a couple more questions. We'll
Speaker 2: be right back with Javon Beher from the Marcus Institute
Speaker 2: for Brain Health. After this, we are going to ask
Speaker 2: I want to ask before I let you go. We
Speaker 2: were talking about diagnosing traumatic brain injury the similar symptoms
Speaker 2: to PTS and aging. I mean really, but I want
Speaker 2: to ask about some of the therapies that you guys
Speaker 2: use because I've always thought once you have a brain injury,
Speaker 2: there's very little chance you're going to be able to
Speaker 2: fix it. But what do you guys do that that is,
Speaker 2: you know you've figured out over time helps.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So we use several different therapies.
Speaker 14: You know, throughout the evaluation period we kind of figure
Speaker 14: out which therapy each patient is going to need. But
Speaker 14: we do neuropsychology, you know obviously to try and you know,
Speaker 14: kind of retrain the brain to to get back to
Speaker 14: what it was pre injury, you know, with with a
Speaker 14: little bit of cognitive help also cognitive therapy just to
Speaker 14: help us you know, connect those thoughts again, get those
Speaker 14: get those thoughts out also through speech language pathology. You know,
Speaker 14: when you have thoughts stuck on the tip of your tongue,
Speaker 14: trying to get that out. Behavioral health is a big one,
Speaker 14: you know, trying to get to some of the the
Speaker 14: root causes of some the pts like symptoms. We do
Speaker 14: physical therapy, which most of our patients have pretty pretty
Speaker 14: good time with, you know, where we really that's one
Speaker 14: of the things where we do test limits, a little
Speaker 14: bit of your balance and to see how you really
Speaker 14: are coping with this brain injury on a physical level.
Speaker 14: This one is a little little viewed with some skepticism
Speaker 14: from our military members, but we do art therapy, but
Speaker 14: by the end of the treatment, everybody's fully involved in that.
Speaker 12: It's one of our more popular things we do, equine therapy.
Speaker 14: We really just try to treat this holistically, you know,
Speaker 14: from the top down and see what what are your
Speaker 14: root causes, Where did this brain injury affect you the most,
Speaker 14: and how can we.
Speaker 12: Help you move on?
Speaker 9: All right?
Speaker 2: You guys have a gala coming up in February. Tell
Speaker 2: me about that and how people can get involved there.
Speaker 14: Yes, so this is our inaugural Hope for Heroes gala.
Speaker 14: It's February eighth, at six thirty pm. We're gonna do
Speaker 14: this at the Wings over the Rockies Air and Space
Speaker 14: Museum over there in the Lowry area.
Speaker 12: We I sorry.
Speaker 14: Through our website, there is a link to the to
Speaker 14: the gala and tickets for attendance are one hundred dollars.
Speaker 14: Beyond that, if you are wanting to sponsor the event,
Speaker 14: help out in any kind of way, we have a
Speaker 14: sponsorship deck that runs all the way from one thousand
Speaker 14: to twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 12: And this type of event is just really important for us.
Speaker 12: Marcus Institute is completely philanthropic.
Speaker 14: That's how we have maintained to keep this as an
Speaker 14: out of pocket or no out of pocket costs for
Speaker 14: our veterans.
Speaker 12: So if anyone listening wants to come.
Speaker 14: And you know, dress up, have a couple of drinks
Speaker 14: with some other veterans, and do a silent live boxtion
Speaker 14: all the fun gala events, then please feel free.
Speaker 2: I do not see that on the Marcus Institute for
Speaker 2: Brain Health website right now. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 2: on the right site. Which which website are you talking about?
Speaker 7: It?
Speaker 12: Should it should be on our main website. There should
Speaker 12: be and sing your producer some material for that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll make sure I get that on the blog
Speaker 2: today and make sure if people want to buy tickets.
Speaker 2: You got a little bit of time, but February. We'll
Speaker 2: be here before you know it. And what a great
Speaker 2: thing to support. Javon Bear with the Marcus Institute for Brainhell.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time today, man, I
Speaker 2: really appreciate it.
Speaker 12: Hey, I appreciate you having me on here. Thanks for
Speaker 12: let me talk about this.
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks Jevon. We'll see you again soon. I'm sure.
Speaker 12: Yes, please come my clinic sometime.
Speaker 2: I will for sure, I'm gonna come by and see
Speaker 2: what's going on. Thanks a lot, man, Bye bye. All right,
Speaker 2: we're gonna take a quick time out back after this.
Speaker 2: Keep it on, Koa. I have bad news for home owners,
Speaker 2: and I am one of these. I have enjoyed the
Speaker 2: explosive growth of home prices over the last few years.
Speaker 2: Sometimes prices went up as much as twenty percent in
Speaker 2: some areas in the Denver metro. That appears to be
Speaker 2: over now we're seeing about three percent growth inequity and
Speaker 2: the median home prices are coming down. Why interest rates?
Speaker 2: Interest rates are persistently sticky between six and seven percent.
Speaker 2: The treasury yield went up today, which means that mortgage
Speaker 2: rates will be affected. And if you don't understand why
Speaker 2: the treasury yield affects mortgage rates, it's because mortgages are
Speaker 2: not held by the people who write them. They are
Speaker 2: then sold as commodities, as an investment vehicle for other people.
Speaker 2: This is part of why the crisis of two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight was so devastating, because when people stop paying
Speaker 2: their mortgages, that has such a cascading effect throughout other investments.
Speaker 2: So treasury yields just went up. Until we really significantly
Speaker 2: do something about government spending, we're going to see mortgage
Speaker 2: rates I think between six and seven percent, and I
Speaker 2: would be shocked if mortgage rates got down to four
Speaker 2: percent in the next ten years. I don't think they're
Speaker 2: going back down, and are going to have to recognize
Speaker 2: that this has the new normal. And I hate the
Speaker 2: phrase the new normal because it's usually talking about something
Speaker 2: that kind of sucks. But traditionally, in the last fifty years,
Speaker 2: mortgage rates have been about seven percent. The issue that
Speaker 2: we're having now is that super low mortgage rates drove
Speaker 2: up home prices, so now you have people that are like, well,
Speaker 2: my home is worth eight hundred thousand dollars. Well it
Speaker 2: was when mortgage rates were two percent, but it might
Speaker 2: be worth seven to fifty now. So people are sitting
Speaker 2: on their homes. People are not willing to negotiate aggressively yet.
Speaker 2: I mean some people are. Of course, buyers are being
Speaker 2: super picky because they're being faced with much higher home
Speaker 2: payments because of mortgage rates. So it's just kind of
Speaker 2: a that part of the economy is stuck, and that
Speaker 2: part of the economy drives a whole bunch of other
Speaker 2: parts of the economy. Meaning you know, when you have furniture,
Speaker 2: when you have home improvement, when you have all of
Speaker 2: these things that people traditionally replace when they buy a
Speaker 2: new home, those things are not moving like they used to.
Speaker 2: So it has a very negative effect. And I don't see,
Speaker 2: Like I said, I would be shocked if mortgage rates
Speaker 2: dropped down to the force, something pretty amazing would have
Speaker 2: to happen, and that would mean that the economy would
Speaker 2: have to boom without inflation skyrocketing, and as we've learned,
Speaker 2: that's a very difficult thing to make happen. So that
Speaker 2: is on the blog today as well, TikTok may or
Speaker 2: may not be a thing. In the Supreme Court today,
Speaker 2: arguments were made in the case over the fate of TikTok.
Speaker 2: Congress has said that TikTok will have to divest itself
Speaker 2: from Chinese overlords, and that means sharing algorithms and everything
Speaker 2: else with someone else. And TikTok said today or yesterday
Speaker 2: that absent the Supreme Court ruling in their favor, this
Speaker 2: act will take effect on January nineteenth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: That would shut down TikTok, one of the nation's most
Speaker 2: popular speech platforms for it's more than one hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy million domestic monthly users. On the eve of a
Speaker 2: presidential inauguration. Now, there's a lot in this threat, and
Speaker 2: that's what this is. This is clearly a threat designed
Speaker 2: to have people put pressure on the Supreme Court justices
Speaker 2: to rule in TikTok's favor. That's what TikTok's trying to
Speaker 2: do here. The reference to the presidential inauguration probably is
Speaker 2: also referencing Donald Trump coming into office, where Donald Trump
Speaker 2: has said he would protect TikTok, which is funny because
Speaker 2: Donald Trump said last time he would get rid of TikTok.
Speaker 2: So here we are, Here we are, you know. I
Speaker 2: One of the things that bothers me about Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is his apparent lack of principle. Like, you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of people are given Thomas Massey crap right now,
Speaker 2: but Thomas Massey is at least consistent in his value system.
Speaker 2: And you may disagree with it, but he is consistent
Speaker 2: in his value system. I'm not sure that politically, Donald
Speaker 2: Trump has a value system. He's a guy that's like,
Speaker 2: that's a good idea. That's a good idea, let's do that.
Speaker 2: And you know what, some of those ideas are really
Speaker 2: good ideas, but some of them are not. I still
Speaker 2: have security concerns about TikTok, and the fact that TikTok
Speaker 2: is basically like we're shutting it down rather than letting
Speaker 2: you have a look see into what's really in here
Speaker 2: to me indicates that those fears are well placed. I
Speaker 2: also think TikTok is making us way stupider, way stupider.
Speaker 2: So you know, for me, I guess it's like the
Speaker 2: crotchety old version of me going, I don't care if
Speaker 2: I get rid of these kids. But a lot of
Speaker 2: people make a lot of money on TikTok. So we'll
Speaker 2: see what happens. But how long have we been saying
Speaker 2: for the last year and a half that if you
Speaker 2: are a creator on TikTok, you better start building on
Speaker 2: other platforms. You have been warned. If you have not,
Speaker 2: that is your fault.
Speaker 3: At this time, it's not going anywhere for us. For
Speaker 3: like six months. We have multiple avenues rate to and roll.
Speaker 3: Number one, the app is probably gonna be on the
Speaker 3: phone for quite a while afterwards.
Speaker 2: Number two we'll be taken out of app stores. Oh no,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, Um, let's see that would shut down
Speaker 2: TikTok is what it says.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll shut down. And then number two we're just
Speaker 3: gonna change our location paraphones to Canada. No, seriously, we've
Speaker 3: thought about this the dumbest thing, and we're going to
Speaker 3: buy a new polls dumbest thing, and we're going to
Speaker 3: find loopholes to keep using it.
Speaker 2: Uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 6: It's not going anywhere. They're gonna they're gonna last second, Well.
Speaker 2: It's the Supreme Court is gonna have to rule on
Speaker 2: whether or not it's constitutional to tell this company they
Speaker 2: have to sell or get out. I'm not sure. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure the constitutionality of any of that. So
Speaker 2: I haven't given an opinion because I really don't know.
Speaker 2: I do not know the legality of what they've done.
Speaker 2: I have no clue. TikTok gave his campaign a buttload
Speaker 2: of money. Of course, for Trump, it's only a good
Speaker 2: idea politically if it benefits him personally. He says this Texter,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily believe that. I really don't because I've
Speaker 2: talked to and interviewed a lot of people who've been
Speaker 2: in the room when policy discussions with President Trump were
Speaker 2: made during his first administration, and to a person, they said,
Speaker 2: on various issues unconnected to one another, that Donald Trump
Speaker 2: always asked how is this good for the American people?
Speaker 2: And that question alone is significant, I think, and demonstrates
Speaker 2: that though he may enjoy things that work to his
Speaker 2: best interests, I don't think he is completely self serving.
Speaker 2: I really do think that the man cares about this
Speaker 2: country and he is also self serving. Yes, some things
Speaker 2: can be true.
Speaker 3: At the same time, clarify, I did not mean leave
Speaker 3: the country. I literally mean change the phone's location. Oh,
Speaker 3: I know to Canada.
Speaker 6: I know, so we can keep using I know what
Speaker 6: you mean.
Speaker 3: Kevin O'Leary, mister wonderful will save the day they are
Speaker 3: forced to sell.
Speaker 6: Kevin O'Leary will buy it.
Speaker 2: Be fine, yeah, but then when I pull up Costco,
Speaker 2: it's going to try and have me go to a
Speaker 2: Costco in Canada. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 6: Kevin O'Leary, you've got this. The ball is in your court.
Speaker 2: We know he's trying to buy it. He wanted to
Speaker 2: buy it.
Speaker 6: No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So when they are going to sell, if they are
Speaker 3: forced to sell too much money on the line, they
Speaker 3: won't just give up the US brand or so.
Speaker 2: Much well, that's what they're threatening the Supreme Court.
Speaker 6: There's so much money.
Speaker 2: If this is one of those things where I don't
Speaker 2: want the Supreme Court to make a political decision. And
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about the fact that Donald Trumps he
Speaker 2: was sentenced today for his absolutely ridiculous money whatever in
Speaker 2: New York. So he was sentenced today, and that sentencing
Speaker 2: was purely political. The entire trial was purely political. But
Speaker 2: the only reason they made sure they sentenced him today
Speaker 2: is because you're not truly a quote, convicted felon until
Speaker 2: you've been sentenced, right, and now they can appeal in
Speaker 2: all this stuff. But they did it for political reasons,
Speaker 2: and people were mad because the Supreme Court didn't shoot
Speaker 2: it down because it was political. But I don't want
Speaker 2: them to shoot it down because it's political unless they
Speaker 2: can say, we're shooting it down on the rule of law,
Speaker 2: and it was political. I want the Supreme Court to
Speaker 2: adhere to their version of the law. And I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people are angry at Amy Coney Barrett,
Speaker 2: but that was her version of the law. I want
Speaker 2: Supreme Court justices to rule using only the law, not
Speaker 2: taking into consideration the political nature of some of these things.
Speaker 2: So I was actually fine with that. A couple stories
Speaker 2: I want to get in here. Biden's trans heavy Title
Speaker 2: nine rules are deadded dead. A judge in Kentucky ruled
Speaker 2: the Federal Education Department's interpretation of what constitutes sex based
Speaker 2: misconduct was too broad and the rules violated the First Amendment.
Speaker 2: And so there's a zero percent chance that the Trump
Speaker 2: administration will defend these changes that did things that allowed
Speaker 2: men into women's spaces like locker rooms and onto women's teams.
Speaker 2: And if you complained about it, you were in trouble,
Speaker 2: which is where I think the First Amendment issues popped up.
Speaker 2: So that's good news for female athletes and women overall.
Speaker 2: Delta Airlines is getting a lot of kudos because there
Speaker 2: was a woman whose mother had been in the hospital
Speaker 2: with pneumonia and she was doing okay, and then she
Speaker 2: went into she got sepsis, and doctors called this woman
Speaker 2: and said, you need to come see your mom. We're
Speaker 2: not sure how much time she has left. She was
Speaker 2: leaving her hometown, had to fly through Minnesota. They were
Speaker 2: late because of a mechanical leaving her hometown to fly
Speaker 2: to Minnesota, so she was going to miss her connection,
Speaker 2: and she was told by the flight attendant that they
Speaker 2: would rebook her for the next day. Well, she was
Speaker 2: afraid she wasn't going to be able to see her
Speaker 2: mom before she died. She built the flight attendant this
Speaker 2: and said, I'm gonna I might miss my last chance
Speaker 2: to see my mom. Well, the flight attention, she said
Speaker 2: the flight attendant. They cried together. Flight attendant goes up,
Speaker 2: talks to the pilot. The pilot calls, you know, traffic
Speaker 2: control and says, we got this situation, and Delta held
Speaker 2: her connecting flight for her for thirty minutes so she
Speaker 2: could make the flight. Now, you have to understand, when
Speaker 2: an airline shows up late, it dings them with the
Speaker 2: FAA and it goes against their on time rating. So
Speaker 2: it's not a no big deal thing to say, we're
Speaker 2: going to make this plane late. But because they did that,
Speaker 2: she made her connection, got to see her mom before
Speaker 2: she died. And everybody's singing Delta's praise. But guys, this
Speaker 2: is not the first time I am aware of something
Speaker 2: like this. Happened when I was a flight attendant back
Speaker 2: in the nineteen nineties. We had a very similar situation.
Speaker 2: We got stuck in a weather hold above an airport
Speaker 2: and ended up circling for about an hour. And this
Speaker 2: guy was going to miss his flight, and he was
Speaker 2: flying home because his wife had gone into very premature
Speaker 2: labor and they were going to be delivering that baby
Speaker 2: and they wanted him to be there. So Delta same thing,
Speaker 2: called ahead and held the guy's connecting flight for him
Speaker 2: so he could be there for the birth of his child.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he made it, you know, I
Speaker 2: never knew the follow up story on that one. Maybe
Speaker 2: if there'd been social media, we would have been able
Speaker 2: to find out. But back then, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: you just you don't know what happened. You didn't get
Speaker 2: to know the end of the story. So good on
Speaker 2: Delta Airlines for having a heart on that one interesting story. Arod,
Speaker 2: did you see this that the Broncos are considering a
Speaker 2: Lone Tree stadium site.
Speaker 6: Yes, I would love it.
Speaker 9: I know you would.
Speaker 2: You know I would because it was right there.
Speaker 6: The Broncos would love it because it's close to everything.
Speaker 2: They've got the facility and there's a crap ton of
Speaker 2: empty land down there. Crap ton.
Speaker 3: I think it's just another little check mark exploring options.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's I think it's based on absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3: I think it's airport area or current site. Airport area sucks, No,
Speaker 3: airport area is perfect. No, but air World two point
Speaker 3: zero for everything else. But Jerry will money, money, money, so.
Speaker 2: Much exponential growth. This way, that way you make it
Speaker 2: easier for people who are in the Springs Monument, Pueblo,
Speaker 2: the games.
Speaker 6: North towards me.
Speaker 9: What what is east of of you?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: See what I'm saying, Like the the two metro areas
Speaker 2: Colorado Springs and Denver are growing together. That is as happening.
Speaker 2: We're growing up down there. Okay, no, nope, nope, Ay, Rod,
Speaker 2: How do we change phone location? Like iPhone to listen
Speaker 2: to Broncos games in Hawaii?
Speaker 9: How do they do that?
Speaker 6: I can't tell you that.
Speaker 2: Why not? All they have to do is change the location?
Speaker 2: How do you change your phone's location?
Speaker 6: Talking about what? I don't know if it's gonna be possible.
Speaker 6: We'll see. We're gonna try. Yeah, we're gonna try.
Speaker 3: We're still gonna have a long time for it's off
Speaker 3: the app store because deleted Beloney VPN will do feet
Speaker 3: of ban Oh yeah, absolutely, that's what we're likely have
Speaker 3: to do, is the way to change location.
Speaker 6: But the problem is that would probably deactively a lot
Speaker 6: of our other apps.
Speaker 3: So problems are going to arise. But it's okay because
Speaker 3: Kevin o'larry's gonna solve the day.
Speaker 2: You know what, I love Kevin O'Leary, but I think
Speaker 2: you're giving him a wee bit too much credit for
Speaker 2: saving the day when it comes.
Speaker 3: Oh no, him and him and the crew are like
Speaker 3: got the change right, They just need TikTok to give
Speaker 3: the okay, to.
Speaker 6: Sell one more last thing.
Speaker 2: I got a bunch of really good stuff from the
Speaker 2: blog today that we didn't get to, including the mayor
Speaker 2: of Los Angeles. When being pressed on her role and
Speaker 2: how bad she's doing, she literally was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: we're not going to point fingers. There's plenty of time
Speaker 2: to really look at all that later. Let's not point
Speaker 2: fingers Grant Smith, who just walked in there in the studio.
Speaker 6: I guess all the fingers would be pointed at her.
Speaker 11: Correct.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 6: It is a sad situation out there, though.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just devastating. I can't even imagine. And now, okay, hey,
Speaker 2: this trend of young people no offense, Grant and a
Speaker 2: rod of putting themselves on the internet crying. I hate it.
Speaker 2: But the people putting their self on the internet crying
Speaker 2: about losing everything is heartbreaking. I mean heartbreaking. And everybody's
Speaker 2: focusing on the celebrities, but a vast majority look at
Speaker 2: that on TV right now, an entire neighborhood just gone.
Speaker 2: The vast majority of these people are not celebrities. They're
Speaker 2: just normal people who have nothing, absolutely nothing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that is I saw a post the
Speaker 5: other day about how it was kind of highlighting all
Speaker 5: the celebrities and how it was kind of making people
Speaker 5: not as sympathetic sympathetic because you're not showing the average, average,
Speaker 5: everyday person going through it.
Speaker 6: I think that would be much more compelling. Yeah, well,
Speaker 6: I've seen.
Speaker 3: In all the videos I've seen, people are also saying,
Speaker 3: I'm hello North Carolina.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, all these things happen.
Speaker 2: This is going to be really well, it's happening right now.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's it. But let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: In six months, when we see a series of big
Speaker 2: Hollywood fundraisers to help the people in Los Angeles, that's
Speaker 2: when you're gonna start here in a lot of the
Speaker 2: what about North Carolina? Because people are still living in
Speaker 2: freaking tents in North Carolina right now. So it's I mean,
Speaker 2: this has just been devastation. And I last night I
Speaker 2: left the grocery store. I was able to get eggs.
Speaker 2: I was able to get the things that I need,
Speaker 2: and I got in my car and I drove to
Speaker 2: my house, which was still standing, and I took a
Speaker 2: little moment and I said a little gratitude prayer just
Speaker 2: for that, Yeah, just because I could get what I needed.
Speaker 2: I drove home to my house. My family is safe,
Speaker 2: and there are people in California that cannot say that today.
Speaker 2: So if you are a grateful sort, or maybe you're
Speaker 2: not a grateful sort, that is something to be grateful
Speaker 2: for right there. I'm grateful because it's Friday, and now
Speaker 2: it's time for the most exciting segment all the radio.
Speaker 9: Love.
Speaker 2: It's Kinde and the world love that day. Very good grants,
Speaker 2: thank you, very good.
Speaker 5: I was going to try and do a Rob Dawson impression,
Speaker 5: but I don't think anyone will.
Speaker 2: It's like somebody batteries are running out exactly. Thank goodness
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 6: I mean we could use a couple.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I actually that would be kind of fun.
Speaker 2: What is our dad joke of the day.
Speaker 6: What do you call a cougar that gets so old
Speaker 6: that they need a hearing aid?
Speaker 2: Cougar that gets so old?
Speaker 6: I love this one.
Speaker 2: It needs a hearyaid?
Speaker 9: What death?
Speaker 2: I think we just had that fairly recently. I've heard
Speaker 2: that Joe fairly. I couldn't remember the name.
Speaker 6: Of mine, don't care.
Speaker 2: What is our word of the day, please?
Speaker 13: A noun novation not innovation, novation n O V A
Speaker 13: t I O n something novation.
Speaker 2: A novation is just an invention. It's it's a it's
Speaker 2: something that's been invented.
Speaker 6: Grant. I'm gonna stick with Mandy on that one good call.
Speaker 6: The introduction of something new.
Speaker 2: Just pulled that out of my kazoo, if you.
Speaker 9: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Which US state's official state flag features a golden ship
Speaker 2: anchor surrounded by thirteen gold stars. I think I know it,
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: It's got to be one of the original ones, right
Speaker 5: if there yeah, thirteen stars Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: See, it's either that or a Rhode Island. So I don't.
Speaker 2: I think it's Rhode Island because I think and it
Speaker 2: is Rhode Island. The stars represents the first thirteen states
Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety seven. Rhode Island became the last of
Speaker 2: the first thirteen states to adopt a flag.
Speaker 6: So they're love Rhode Island.
Speaker 2: I do too, very very pretty except in the winter
Speaker 2: it's cold and miserable anyway, and if you're inside, it's fantastic.
Speaker 6: And you can get anywhere in the state in like
Speaker 6: half exactly.
Speaker 2: It's like driving a Bucke's anyway. What is our jeopardy category?
Speaker 6: Please er all are invited.
Speaker 3: All are invited, All ages are allowed at movies rated G.
Speaker 2: The G is short for this Mandy, what is general audience?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Pretty much general? Correct?
Speaker 10: Correct?
Speaker 6: Any citizen can sit in this part of the Senate
Speaker 6: and watch the action.
Speaker 2: Andy, what is a gallery?
Speaker 6: That is correct?
Speaker 3: Wait, so do that, I'll start with G. No, just
Speaker 3: like talking about invited. Okay, yeah, got ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: You can compete in the main events of this card
Speaker 3: competition in Vegas.
Speaker 6: Grant, grant? What is a world series of pokers? That
Speaker 6: is correct? There we got grand You are too popular.
Speaker 3: You can only invite seven hundred and fifty people at
Speaker 3: a time for this web based RSVP service.
Speaker 2: That's correct.
Speaker 3: And finally, any member of the World Science Fiction Society
Speaker 3: can vote for this literary award, which has led to
Speaker 3: some drama.
Speaker 2: The oh is it the the Highland Nanny the Highland Award? Wrong?
Speaker 9: Tie?
Speaker 2: I have no idea any literary awards?
Speaker 6: What is the Hue Awards that I have been reading
Speaker 6: some science fiction?
Speaker 9: What reading?
Speaker 6: I'm reading this book called book Eaters right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's about this humanoid race that eats books and they
Speaker 5: get all the knowledge of humanity and I don't know
Speaker 5: what's going to happen next, but I'm super interested in it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking about going back and revisiting the Circle
Speaker 2: World Discworld series by Terry Frather.
Speaker 6: You know what I've read recently that was really good,
Speaker 6: Project Hail Mary.
Speaker 3: Have you heard of this?
Speaker 5: It's going to be a movie, and I think this year.
Speaker 5: It's about this guy that kind of has to go
Speaker 5: to space to save humanity and then he meets up
Speaker 5: with an alien. But I don't want to. I don't
Speaker 5: want to spoil too much. What's called Project Hail Mary.
Speaker 5: It is an amazing book.
Speaker 2: All right. This book review brought to you by Mandy
Speaker 2: and Grant.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: We will be back Monday. Everyone have a happy and
Speaker 2: safe weekend. If you're going skiing, especially back country skiing,
Speaker 2: please be careful for avalanche.
Speaker 5: By the way, we've got a former Broncos quarterback, Jake Plumber,
Speaker 5: coming on Bronco Aro on KOA Sports here in about
Speaker 5: an hour, so make sure you're tune in for that.
Speaker 2: I need his contact. I want to get him on
Speaker 2: to talk about mushrooms.
Speaker 6: Yes, and go listen to my podcast.
Speaker 2: I will this week on the Taking for Granted podcast.
Speaker 5: So we've been on hiatus, but we're celebrating the fifth year,
Speaker 5: going into the fifth year of the podcast on Monday
Speaker 5: with my brother who.
Speaker 6: Was the original guest.
Speaker 12: I'm going to be talking about.
Speaker 5: His new baby and the circle. Yeah, I'm pretty excited
Speaker 5: to get back into it.
Speaker 2: All right, that's all coming up this weekend. You'll be
Speaker 2: able to listen to that on Monday. Keep it right
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