Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Deep Blue see the podcast. On
Speaker 1: this show, we've been to the entire Deep Boosy trilogy.
Speaker 1: Scene by scene we're doing again, but not today. Today
Speaker 1: we are continuing our Year of Reptiles twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: ye Reptiles with a film we were planning to cover
Speaker 1: eightes ago. Like the first season, I think we talked.
Speaker 1: We talked about like let's do rogue at some point
Speaker 1: and even before with size reptiles, and now just a
Speaker 1: short five years later, we're finally tackling rogue. What is
Speaker 1: rogue or it is another two thousand and seven Australian
Speaker 1: creature feature. We've already covered God what Blackwater Blackwater very recently,
Speaker 1: but this one is written directed by Greg McLean, stars
Speaker 1: Michael Vartan, Roder Mitchell, Sam Worthington and a bunch of
Speaker 1: smaller characters, and we'll get into all of them, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: And it mainly follows a American travel journalist Pete played
Speaker 1: by Michael Vartan. He is writing an article about Australia
Speaker 1: in some capacity. He takes a tourist river cruise, Ryan's
Speaker 1: Wildlife River Cruise with a bunch of other tourists and
Speaker 1: they encounter a big crocodile and hilarity ensues. So I
Speaker 1: have a guest today who picked this film. I had
Speaker 1: never seen this before, so I was thrilled to watch
Speaker 1: a new film. She's joining us for the eighth time,
Speaker 1: joining the eight eight timers club. It's Jessica Manzi Kai
Speaker 1: jess welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me back. I can't believe we're
Speaker 2: finally recording about Rogue, which is the movie that I've
Speaker 2: somewhat inexplicably been bringing up over and over again as
Speaker 2: an option to watch. And I don't know why. I
Speaker 2: know you. I actually looked up in my email history
Speaker 2: how long this we'd been talking about Rogue, and it
Speaker 2: was in twenty twenty one when you sent out an
Speaker 2: initial list of Deep Blue Sea adjacent movies and I
Speaker 2: threw out, we could do Rogue or I could do
Speaker 2: forty seven meters down and I was like, wow, the
Speaker 2: lore of my podcast appearances are all And I also
Speaker 2: brought up Sphere, so yeah, so we've done episodes about
Speaker 2: all of those, and I think I just randomly was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I saw Rogue ones that could be fun to revisit.
Speaker 2: And then for five years. It's just kept coming up
Speaker 2: again and again and watching the movie, I go, I
Speaker 2: don't remember this movie at all. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I definitely saw it because when I will, I looked
Speaker 2: up my letterbox. I had recorded it in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: but I had not retained barely anything of the movie.
Speaker 2: I knew about the like riverboat cruise part, but the
Speaker 2: actual like action of the movie I did not remember
Speaker 2: at all, So it felt very fresh nice.
Speaker 1: We also covered the lighthouse shark exclamation mark in Perana
Speaker 1: three D since in that time as well. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we just keep on putting off covering Coming Rogue. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, because I loved this film. Just this
Speaker 1: is we've covered. We're not recording these episodes of orders
Speaker 1: as if we ever did with anything. But I said
Speaker 1: on a recent recording that I needed to watch a
Speaker 1: good film soon, because we've been covering nothing but less
Speaker 1: good films. I did not enjoy Blackwater. Have you watched Blackwater?
Speaker 2: No? Don't even remember.
Speaker 1: It's it's have you seen open Water the Shark? No?
Speaker 2: But I know the concept.
Speaker 1: Blackwater is open water with the crocodile. Basically, it's like
Speaker 1: three people get stuck up a tree near a crocodile,
Speaker 1: and then we just hang out with them for an
Speaker 1: hour and a half and it's boring. It's very boring.
Speaker 1: I didn't enjoy it. I don't want realism in my
Speaker 1: creature pictures. I want fun and entertainment and lots of
Speaker 1: characters to be that can be killed, and action sequences
Speaker 1: and tension, not just well, I guess we're stuck here
Speaker 1: for an hour. We could go over there and over there.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good considering this movie also involves people kind
Speaker 2: of like stranded trying to figure something out.
Speaker 1: Crucially, there's more of them and they do stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I was overjoyed because I didn't know. All I
Speaker 1: knew was crocodile. That's all I knew going into this.
Speaker 1: I didn't know who was in it, who made it
Speaker 1: anything at all, And so I was very happy when
Speaker 1: he got on a boat with more than two other
Speaker 1: people on it, and there's like colorful characters and personalities
Speaker 1: on there. And I paused the film a little early
Speaker 1: on being like, Okay, this is who I think is
Speaker 1: going to die, and this is the all I think
Speaker 1: they're going to die. And I was happy to be
Speaker 1: very wrong, very very wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had some few people who when they died,
Speaker 2: I was surprised that they went out when they did.
Speaker 1: I was more surprised by who survived. I think there's
Speaker 1: a character like you. Hmm. There's a couple of you
Speaker 1: who have just said we should kill that dog. So
Speaker 1: I feel like you should die, you should be dead
Speaker 1: in this film, and you're alive at the end. Well,
Speaker 1: to be fair, we see a bunch of them just
Speaker 1: go off into the jungle and we never see them again,
Speaker 1: so who knows what's eating them in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I definitely thought at least two people were going
Speaker 2: to die who didn't, So that that did keep me
Speaker 2: on my toes because I feel like these sorts of
Speaker 2: movies you can kind of pick out, Oh, they're kind
Speaker 2: of setting this person up to be very easy to
Speaker 2: kill off without hurting the audience too much. But this one,
Speaker 2: some of those people survived to the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's I mean, we're gonna this is
Speaker 1: a full spoiler podcast, before we before we go to
Speaker 1: full spoilers, recommend rogue. Would you say people should check
Speaker 1: out Roue if they're a fan of Deepsy, I would.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's like the best creature feature.
Speaker 2: But it's very solid and enjoyable, and I don't see
Speaker 2: you why you would regret giving it a watch. There's
Speaker 2: definitely some fun scenes to it, and besides, seeing the
Speaker 2: Australian scenery is very pleasant, much more pleasant than watching
Speaker 2: a movie like Wolf Creek. I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: watched that, but I have not. Snow that's like more
Speaker 2: desolate Australia.
Speaker 1: Is that actually feature any kind of creatures of any kind?
Speaker 2: Wolves or creak? Yeah, no it doesn't. It just involves
Speaker 2: a sadistic murderer, which the actor is also in this movie.
Speaker 1: Is that that that's Russell John Jarrett. I think yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's also like picnicer hanging Rock from the Piece Away film.
Speaker 2: I know he's been around, but he is like a madman.
Speaker 2: And Wolf Creek, okay, that is a pretty brutal horror movie.
Speaker 1: Sure, because you know we're doing reptiles this year. We
Speaker 1: might do mammals at some point, who knows, And I
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, Creek could potentially be in a but yes,
Speaker 1: I guess humans are mammals. But I don't think we're
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna do serial killers in mammals season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll do like the King Goong franchise. And Marcus said,
Speaker 1: well bats fem called bats from night. He keeps going on,
Speaker 1: so we'll talk about bats and.
Speaker 2: Jumps on a YouTube video that talked about bats heavily
Speaker 2: and it looked so fun.
Speaker 1: It comes up every other episode that Mark is on.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know why I've never seen it,
Speaker 1: But that's when we'll finally cover Grizzly. If there's a
Speaker 1: mammal film you want to put your name down for that,
Speaker 1: we'll cover in four years time. Keep the string, keep
Speaker 1: keep it going.
Speaker 2: You've really opened it up. And what about have you
Speaker 2: done movies about birds or is that also?
Speaker 1: We talked about that recently actually with your former franchiw
Speaker 1: Sunday Cooks. Nick was on recently. We couldn't find many
Speaker 1: like bird creature feature films other than The Birds and Bird.
Speaker 1: Other bird films are like animated films about geese, like
Speaker 1: like migration, that kind of thing. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: really I mean, we've covered Shark Tale, so we're not
Speaker 1: We're covering Rango at some point this year. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't want to cover a whole
Speaker 1: franchise of geese films.
Speaker 2: That's not Yeah, that's not.
Speaker 1: What I want to do. What we could do the
Speaker 1: Mighty Ducks. We're do the Mighty Ducks. That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That's not no, no, no.
Speaker 2: One episode on the Birds would probably suffice, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we can just we can just insert that
Speaker 1: in outside of a bird season any any old time.
Speaker 1: Like you know, we've covered non shark films prior to
Speaker 1: during shark seasons. Good wonderful.
Speaker 2: So U have you a movie alligator?
Speaker 1: We have? We've done alligator, We done Alligator to the mutation.
Speaker 1: What did those prior to this year?
Speaker 2: So yeah, the alligator? Or is it just alligator?
Speaker 1: It's just alligator? They got there could be another film
Speaker 1: called the Anallegator. But Robert Foster is an alligator.
Speaker 2: That movie has burned in my mind from watching it
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, particularly the pool scene. Okay,
Speaker 2: why because I just remember seeing that as a kid
Speaker 2: and thinking this is the scariest thing ever that there
Speaker 2: would just be an alligator in like a suburban pool.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the pool scene an alligator. I remember it's
Speaker 1: mainly like super.
Speaker 2: Based unless I'm mixing up movies.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a few films with alligators in pools,
Speaker 1: but they have like quite recent.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, alligator from nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sorry, it's quite a brief scene. It's kids
Speaker 1: throwing a kid into a pool and gate. Yeah I'm
Speaker 1: with you now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's even funnier to me that that burned
Speaker 2: into my brain that it's just like a random It's
Speaker 2: not like characters we know.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, go other kids on their we'n pad,
Speaker 1: where's it gonna go? Go to this Halloween party? Did you? So?
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Rogue.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about sidetrack.
Speaker 1: Sure, that's what we do. It's podcasting, happens. Any any
Speaker 1: favorite characters in the cast, any any stats, so we'll
Speaker 1: say spoilers. From this point on, this is recommended. Go
Speaker 1: check out Rogue. It's great. So any standout characters for you?
Speaker 1: The Survival didn't.
Speaker 2: I did enjoy Kate, even though she sometimes makes weird decisions.
Speaker 2: I did think she was a fun female lead for
Speaker 2: the movie. I think it would have been cool to
Speaker 2: maybe see her do a couple more like skillful things,
Speaker 2: because I assumed she would be like a skillful person
Speaker 2: growing up how she did. But I still thought she
Speaker 2: was cool.
Speaker 1: I liked her play by Roda Mitchell. Yes, she's like
Speaker 1: the tour the guide died on the on the tour,
Speaker 1: and man's the moment and everything. My one the moment
Speaker 1: was disappointed with her was when they had crashed on
Speaker 1: a little island and she's like trying to make a
Speaker 1: plan and she checks with Pete for his his opinion.
Speaker 1: So what do you think? I like, No, no, no, you're
Speaker 1: in charge. Like he's just some tourist guy. He's a
Speaker 1: writer from Chicago, he doesn't know anything. He hates animals.
Speaker 1: He said, this is you should. I wanted her to
Speaker 1: be like, this is what we're going to do and
Speaker 1: just kind of be confident about it. And when she
Speaker 1: asked his opinion, I was like, that's a little disappointing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The whole movie I kept just referring to Pete as
Speaker 2: city slicker.
Speaker 1: I just get writing, writer, writer, right, because people do
Speaker 1: have names in this but you don't find out half
Speaker 1: them until like the third I actually start calling each
Speaker 1: other by their names. They know each other. Why then
Speaker 1: it's like who was Russell? Who you think is Russells?
Speaker 1: No one said Hi, I'm Russell. That doesn't happen to
Speaker 1: just start calling him Russell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I barely know any of the character's names, to
Speaker 2: be honest, I'm just I just wrote down things like father,
Speaker 2: things like little notes like that. But I did love
Speaker 2: seeing it's she doesn't do much. But I was like, ah,
Speaker 2: Miawashakovska is in yes.
Speaker 1: Young Alice in Wonderland as as daughter of family.
Speaker 2: Her parents were a little intense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I was very happy when her dad died.
Speaker 1: Alan played by Jeff Morron and so English, such a
Speaker 1: British character and such. When when they get stuck on
Speaker 1: the island and they make that rope bridge and at
Speaker 1: one point he is like, my wife's not going to
Speaker 1: do that. We don't know at that point that his
Speaker 1: wife is ill. At that point, I'm just like, this
Speaker 1: guy just thinks his wife, I'm thinking she'd better be ill.
Speaker 1: And they're not just saying like, oh, yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: she's just like an English lady over forty five. She
Speaker 1: can't possibly can't a rope bridge. But it turns out
Speaker 1: that she is dying of something. He's being protective of her,
Speaker 1: but yeah, there's better ways of doing it. He Yeah,
Speaker 1: he really kicks off that rope. Bridge sequences is definitely
Speaker 1: a highlight of you have one character like stopping in
Speaker 1: the middle, and then just the silliness, the real silliness, like, hey,
Speaker 1: she's stopped on this single rope, Let's send two people
Speaker 1: across to get stuck behind her.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Frustrating. Yeah, it's one of those frustrating moments, but
Speaker 2: you do kind of get that in the heat of
Speaker 2: the moment. It's not totally unrealistic someone would make that
Speaker 2: bad decision, but it was just like, oh, this it
Speaker 2: seemed far fetched that this could work, but now it's
Speaker 2: definitely not gonna work. Yeah, getting everyone across.
Speaker 1: If we have a child behind her, maybe it'll spur
Speaker 1: her on to keep going. Maybe, but if it doesn't,
Speaker 1: then it's that's a big risk you're taking. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: all three of those people to fall in the water
Speaker 1: and make it back to the island. And before Sam
Speaker 1: Worthington is in this film, him to be the one
Speaker 1: who's taken out and despite being on the land he
Speaker 1: made it across. He's the i who could go to safety,
Speaker 1: when now he's the one who dies. That was my
Speaker 1: big surprise was him being taken out earlier at the
Speaker 1: year me too.
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to last a while, and
Speaker 2: him dying there was very shocking. And then so I
Speaker 2: felt like the whole scene was very tense because you
Speaker 2: have him getting across, then the rope bridge, and then
Speaker 2: that falling apart, Neil dying and he's one of the
Speaker 2: only character names that I picked up on because I
Speaker 2: she called, she's yelling at him by name.
Speaker 1: Is like a bunch of like Colin.
Speaker 2: And then right after that, when the father is killed
Speaker 2: on the on the shore, that so much had already happened.
Speaker 2: Even though somewhat you kind of expect that, oh no,
Speaker 2: he's there, he's probably gonna get snatched, it still had
Speaker 2: an element of surprise because so much action had just
Speaker 2: taken place. Uh, But that was the really, the first
Speaker 2: really good look at the I should know this was
Speaker 2: this an alligator or a crocodile.
Speaker 1: It's a crocodile. It's my general rule is if he's
Speaker 1: in Australia, it's a crocodile. If it's in America, I
Speaker 1: keep on getting it wrong on the show, but that's
Speaker 1: what I'm picking up Australian.
Speaker 2: But that was your first good look at how big
Speaker 2: and massive the crocodile was.
Speaker 1: So that was fun, absolutely, and his death the Alan.
Speaker 1: His death was my favorite because as he's been as
Speaker 1: he's being taken away, we've said it's been brought up
Speaker 1: in the in the in the film ready that if
Speaker 1: like the crocks won't get eat immediately, you're like tear
Speaker 1: you to pieces and drag you off to its nest whatever.
Speaker 1: And it's like dragging him off. It's removed his arm.
Speaker 1: I think it's dragginghim up. And as he's being taken away,
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, oh no, and it's such an English
Speaker 1: he's been so English. As he's being killed, Oh, oh dear,
Speaker 1: Oh what's happening. As he's just been dragged water by
Speaker 1: this enormous krogile. Oh my gosh, And that's gonna be
Speaker 1: like his his family's surviving memory of him is that,
Speaker 1: oh dear, what's happening? And I loved it. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I expected one of the parents to die, And when
Speaker 1: we found out that that the mother was ill, I
Speaker 1: thought they were probably both like she would like give herself,
Speaker 1: like sacrifice herself to save her daughter or something.
Speaker 2: I definitely expected that too.
Speaker 1: Didn't happen. She makes it out, possibly with a new
Speaker 1: partner who knows, okay, the same thing. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a couple of things you don't often get a these
Speaker 1: kind of films. Is there's a couple of like touching
Speaker 1: moments and they come mainly from the character Russell John Jarrett,
Speaker 1: the guy has been in every Australian film made since
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five. He's in Australia. Of course in Australia
Speaker 1: contractual obligation. I think it for all Australia to be
Speaker 1: in Australia. And he as when they're out on the crew.
Speaker 1: When he arrives on the boat, they're doing the tickets
Speaker 1: and he's got two tickets and it's just him on
Speaker 1: his own, and case like you've got two tickets, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just i'me alone. It's quite quiet moment you think, oh,
Speaker 1: something's happened here. I think he's got a look of
Speaker 1: a serial killer about him. I didn't know he'd played
Speaker 1: that Mpolf Creek, so that was kind of I'm pleased
Speaker 1: with that. I kind of picked up on that and
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for him. But like this has this
Speaker 1: guy just like robbed people and he's going to take
Speaker 1: over the boat, and it's gonna he's gonna drive into
Speaker 1: a crocodile. What's gonna happen? I had no idea where
Speaker 1: this film was going to go over than a crocodile.
Speaker 1: So we then see a moment where he's quietly spreading
Speaker 1: his wife's ashes into I assume his wife his partner
Speaker 1: could be a husband. I don't know, spreading his part
Speaker 1: his partner's ashes into the water as are going. So
Speaker 1: maybe they shared some memory here, the honeymoon here whatever.
Speaker 1: Either way, that was like a nice, little touching moment
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't often see in this kind of film.
Speaker 1: No one comments on it. You have to be watching
Speaker 1: to see it. No one's like, hey, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: It just it just happens. He does it nice. And
Speaker 1: then later after Alan is killed, he then kind of
Speaker 1: tends to Alan's widow now Heather Mitchell, and he they
Speaker 1: have a little little moment we're like, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine what it's like to not have a chance
Speaker 1: to say goodbye, because an idea that in his situation
Speaker 1: there's been more of a prolonged illness again, and he
Speaker 1: had a chance to say goodbye to his partner, perhaps,
Speaker 1: but it also felt like he was making a move
Speaker 1: he was. He was like, hell of a day, you
Speaker 1: got there kind of thing. Are you maybe wait till
Speaker 1: the crocodile's finished the meal before you start making moves
Speaker 1: on on the widow. I don't know. It could have
Speaker 1: been a nice guy. But he then saves her. He
Speaker 1: like because she cuds whims, so he gets her a
Speaker 1: gross at the end.
Speaker 2: It definitely gave that vibe he was.
Speaker 1: I think my favorite character is because it's someone you
Speaker 1: don't often see in these kind of films. It's a different,
Speaker 1: different kind of guy. Yeah, and I liked him at least.
Speaker 1: Favorite character is probably Simon, the camera guy wearing the
Speaker 1: T shirt with the man pointed to his face and
Speaker 1: the legend pointing to his crutch. Hated this guy, hated
Speaker 1: he survived. I thought he would die immediately, like first
Speaker 1: to die that.
Speaker 2: Was the other character, the mom and Simon. I was like,
Speaker 2: they will definitely die, especially at the end, like if
Speaker 2: you've been paying any amount of attention, you've noticed his shirt,
Speaker 2: and then at the end they do like an extreme
Speaker 2: close up, like just in case you missed it, And
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, now he's definitely gonna die. But
Speaker 2: they have the scene where he's like taking the beer
Speaker 2: that was on the boat that capsizedly.
Speaker 1: Not telling anyone. He just like looks around my bit. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was just.
Speaker 2: Completely being set up to be like a somewhat comedic
Speaker 2: kill off, but it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And when we introduced him on the boat, the family
Speaker 1: asked him to take their picture with me and Prodrick's
Speaker 1: camera and he takes up, oh, that's a nice camera.
Speaker 1: It's not an SLR and gets that in reels of
Speaker 1: all the specs of his He's one of those guys,
Speaker 1: one of those people who just can't stop telling you
Speaker 1: about their camera and they like people. The family are like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting, and he just keeps going, like this
Speaker 1: guy needs to die. We need to have him filming
Speaker 1: the inside of a crocodile within ten minutes of this happening.
Speaker 1: And no, so yeah, hey, yeah, this guy appalled that
Speaker 1: he survived. He's like, yeah, he should be like tyber
Speaker 1: Ellen Dawn of the Dead. He's like a dick, he said,
Speaker 1: up as a dick, and then he should be taken out.
Speaker 1: And I was surprised when the Irish lady played by
Speaker 1: Celia Island Gwen, I thought she might die as well,
Speaker 1: just because she seemed alone. She's smoking, you know, bad
Speaker 1: smoking films. But then she does move when she's aught
Speaker 1: to move, so and she just kind of seems a
Speaker 1: little bit annoying. Yeah, but she makes it out as well,
Speaker 1: So what do I know? Who knows?
Speaker 2: Speaking of smoking? Early on, when you see Pete, the
Speaker 2: first intro of him is putting out his cigarette butt
Speaker 2: with his foot and just leaving it on the ground.
Speaker 2: I was like, is this a sign that he's a villain,
Speaker 2: because to me, that is villainous behavior to leave your cigarette.
Speaker 2: But on like the Australian ground like, no, don't do that.
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, I mean I have I have never smoked,
Speaker 1: but I also would if I did, so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: I hate people just like flick the cigarettes out of
Speaker 1: cars or whatever you throw it away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he ends up being the hero.
Speaker 1: Does what do I know? He does? And we'll get
Speaker 1: to the ending at the end of it. But I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone believes him when he gets back and
Speaker 1: explains what happened. I think that's just his head. Talking
Speaker 1: of villains, you've met my wife. You're friends with my wife.
Speaker 1: She has cooked you dinner. Yes, she might consider you
Speaker 1: a villain now, Jess, I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: she likes you to anymore because he picks this film and
Speaker 1: you told us to watch this film, and this film
Speaker 1: features an adorable dog, lovely dog, Kevin the dog, beautiful dog,
Speaker 1: beautiful creature. That dog gets eaten by crocodile in this film.
Speaker 1: We're Happening was so We're happening.
Speaker 2: That was so upsetting. I'm so sorry you've treated me
Speaker 2: so well. You're so lovely. I'm so sorry to do
Speaker 2: that to you too.
Speaker 1: Keep bowling. We bought fish and chips. We made you
Speaker 1: late for a train then to p another one was bounced.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I did not remember barely anything that
Speaker 2: happened in this movie. And when that happened, I was
Speaker 2: so upset. My mouth was just like hanging open. I
Speaker 2: cannot believe that they did that, let alone how gruesome
Speaker 2: it was. It was horrible.
Speaker 1: When they were in the caves towards the end, Kevin
Speaker 1: hasn't been on screen for a little bit, and I like,
Speaker 1: Asia says like my wife Acia, She's like, what's the
Speaker 1: dog and I pause it and go hmm, and I
Speaker 1: checked on does the doog die dot com? So I
Speaker 1: rarely use I don't like spoilers. And it's like, yep,
Speaker 1: dog dies gruesome and grizzly. And I was like, do
Speaker 1: you mind, We've got fifteen minutes left. I can finish
Speaker 1: watching this tomorrow. And she's like, it's fine. She was
Speaker 1: doing some cross ditching at the time. It's fine, but
Speaker 1: she didn't have time to look away because I unpaused
Speaker 1: it immediately as we saw the dog inside the crocodile,
Speaker 1: like straight away, I was like, suctually as I paused it, it
Speaker 1: was I thought that was like the court the Sam
Speaker 1: Worthington corpseizing me, is that he finds? I thought that
Speaker 1: was what was in the mouth. But no, it's a dog.
Speaker 1: It's Kevin. The dog. Kevin died, upsetting, unhappy. Don't do
Speaker 1: it again, I promise.
Speaker 2: I didn't remember that.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's it's fine.
Speaker 2: It was bad enough. When the group was talking about
Speaker 2: sacrificing the dog, I was like, these people are monsters.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, And because they is it the dead geese
Speaker 1: or something that they they're there, they have like Simon
Speaker 1: just goes, oh, hang on a second and a gee,
Speaker 1: so he knew he was one one one suggesting we
Speaker 1: used the dog as bait, and he knows the yeah.
Speaker 1: As soon as he and Elizabeth Elizabeth, I have been
Speaker 1: three and a half years. I've been say, like, striving
Speaker 1: for any one more day with my daughter, and you're
Speaker 1: going to sacrifice your dog so I can have another one? Okay, okay, lady, No, No,
Speaker 1: that's not happening right now in this film, I don't
Speaker 1: think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just have a note that says Kevin. No,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be my letter named Kevin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dog and Kevin. I really wanted it to find
Speaker 1: out that Kevin was a girl, because that's what happens
Speaker 1: it up. Kevin's a girl. But no different film. That's
Speaker 1: a bird film, I guess, or a mammal film as
Speaker 1: a talking dog with a bunch of talking dogs. So
Speaker 1: what did you think of our hero of Michael Vatan
Speaker 1: as Pete mckel other than him being a cigarette littering villain.
Speaker 1: Did you think he worked as the lead or the
Speaker 1: co lead?
Speaker 2: I think he did all right. I think he had
Speaker 2: a bit of a journey from being a quick turn
Speaker 2: about from being not very outdoorsy, like he's wearing a
Speaker 2: suit to go on the riverboat cruise.
Speaker 1: It's sick, he's lost a suitcase. That's the only clothes
Speaker 1: he's got left. He decided to travel in a suit.
Speaker 1: Because this was two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: It was giving a bit of like Survivor, where they
Speaker 2: make the businessman wear a suit to like on the season.
Speaker 2: But by the end he is a fairly capable, brave,
Speaker 2: adventurous man. So there was a bit of a hero's
Speaker 2: journey there, I guess, but I thought he was. He's fine.
Speaker 2: He has that look of like the two thousands to me,
Speaker 2: like if it felt very of that time.
Speaker 1: See an actor you're familiar with at all outside of Rogue,
Speaker 1: not super.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen him here and there, but I
Speaker 2: don't I wouldn't say I'm super well versed.
Speaker 1: Same I don't think i've seen anything else he's been in.
Speaker 1: Apparently he's like in One Hour Photo, but I don't
Speaker 1: remember much about that film. But when my age was like,
Speaker 1: he's from something and he's the guy in Monster in Law, he's,
Speaker 1: you know, the son of Jane Vonder and the husband
Speaker 1: of je I was like, yeah, he's got that look
Speaker 1: of being just like the guy in something. He's he's
Speaker 1: he's not the main part of this. He's the guy
Speaker 1: that yeah clicks tracks, so nothing against him. He's you know,
Speaker 1: he's he fits the role. This is decent enough, but
Speaker 1: he's not like making a big impression. Uh, Sam Worthington does,
Speaker 1: He's really sinks into the role of being a knob,
Speaker 1: just kind of showing up and being I assume he's
Speaker 1: like Kate's X of some kind. It's kind of the
Speaker 1: vibe get as he kind of shows up and some havoc.
Speaker 1: But you then like, uh, Pete and the husband who
Speaker 1: had a name probably m M not seeing it Everett Everett.
Speaker 2: Yes, the guy she calls John Wayne.
Speaker 1: Yes, they like they don't don't stand up anything, but
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, guy, go away. And then they get
Speaker 1: called four Eyes and John Wayne as like heroes of
Speaker 1: the day. Okay, they said a little thing they didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, it is bare minimum, but sure. Yeah. Apparently
Speaker 1: Sam Worlington did that stunt of falling in the water
Speaker 1: and was scared to do so because where they did it,
Speaker 1: a crocodile had been there recently. There was like there
Speaker 1: was like news of a crocodile being there, so he
Speaker 1: refused to he get on like ruining the takes by
Speaker 1: being scared to fall in the water. And it actually
Speaker 1: took the director to put to put a James Cameron
Speaker 1: and be like, this is how you do it. And
Speaker 1: so he's like went for a swim in the water
Speaker 1: that was crocodile to proved to Sam Worthington that it
Speaker 1: was fine to do it. And then Sam won did
Speaker 1: it and then he found out that it wasn't a crocodile.
Speaker 1: They hadn't been there for rages. It has been relocated.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's funny. He did look scared in
Speaker 2: that scene when he goes into the water, so that's
Speaker 2: why that worked. I felt like that was one of
Speaker 2: the more like emotive performances I've seen from Sam Worthington
Speaker 2: where he's like has a personal like a bigger personality,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't a good personality, but it still was
Speaker 2: like more of a personality than I feel like a
Speaker 2: lot of his roles. He's very just like straight man
Speaker 2: like stoic kind of roles.
Speaker 1: Jake Jake Sully, Yeah, sure, which you know, Hey, I
Speaker 1: like I like the Avita film is a great deal.
Speaker 1: A big fan of them that has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with Sam Worthington, mean in it, he doesn't harm them,
Speaker 1: but you must do you know that Matt Damon was
Speaker 1: supposed to be that character.
Speaker 2: I did not know that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Matt Damiens. He's done an interviews before where he
Speaker 1: was offered the role of Sam Worthing's of Jake Sully
Speaker 1: in Avatar and he turned it down because he wasn't
Speaker 1: He didn't want to get tight or a franchise whatever
Speaker 1: at all of the setch effects work. He wasn't. Just
Speaker 1: he was offered I think something like ten of the
Speaker 1: profits of the film, which would have been two hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars.
Speaker 2: Rough And yeah, he guessing Sam didn't get that deal.
Speaker 1: I highly doubt it. But yeah, when Damon talks about that,
Speaker 1: you just get he gets that look in his eyes
Speaker 1: like God, oh no, the most anyone's ever turned down
Speaker 1: for a role. Yeah, and I like my David quite
Speaker 1: a bit, so I would have been fine with that.
Speaker 1: But there we are. Yeah. I think that this was
Speaker 1: before Avatar. So maybe this is one of the things
Speaker 1: that James Cameron saw, like, hey, him in my film.
Speaker 1: Maybe perhaps I don't know, but yeah, as we said,
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting his stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, when Neil and Colin show up, like after the
Speaker 2: river Cruz has capsized and then they're they roll in
Speaker 2: and are just kind of like taunting them from the boat,
Speaker 2: and then and they realize like something's wrong. I honestly was, huh, this.
Speaker 1: Went wrong with that boat? Oh, crocodile.
Speaker 2: I was shocked that that was the timing of the
Speaker 2: croc like knocking their boat over, so that I mean,
Speaker 2: I kind of expected something was going to go wrong,
Speaker 2: but it still was like, Oh, that happened really fast.
Speaker 1: Their boat goes down quick, it was knocked up, and
Speaker 1: then when they like surface, the boat is sunk already it.
Speaker 2: Is, and Colin's gone. I also thought like right after
Speaker 2: soon after that, Everett, the John Wayne guy, when he
Speaker 2: he's sort of the first person on the little island
Speaker 2: who is killed and he's just like snatched from the shoreline,
Speaker 2: and that was so that was so creepy, Like it
Speaker 2: was so quiet that it made it almost scarier than
Speaker 2: later on when the father is actually like visibly taken
Speaker 2: and like that's a much bigger moment, but just how
Speaker 2: quietly Everett was taken. Was very scary to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it helps build up like how big is this
Speaker 1: crocodile because it's been said like they don't tend to
Speaker 1: attack things that are smaller than them, and it took
Speaker 1: out a pretty big boat, so is it is it
Speaker 1: like bigger than the boat? And I don't think I
Speaker 1: think it's comparable. We do see it later and it
Speaker 1: is huge. It is a monster, and I think the
Speaker 1: effects are pretty good. Actually there for two thousand and
Speaker 1: seven it's on screen. I think it has like less
Speaker 1: than six minutes of actual screen time, which fine, but
Speaker 1: I had I didn't like, look at it, go like
Speaker 1: that's terrible. Bear in mind, this is the film I
Speaker 1: watched meekly before this was Anaconda three Offspring, in which
Speaker 1: the snake is awful. And we've recently covered the likes
Speaker 1: of Mega Python versus Gatoroid, which the effects are awful.
Speaker 1: This is this is comfortable to that. You got to
Speaker 1: mind where I'm approaching this from Oh my gosh, and
Speaker 1: like you know, attack of the meth Gate we covered
Speaker 1: recently on the show, but we just don't have good effects.
Speaker 1: This has good effects. This looks like a crocodile. This
Speaker 1: looks like a big yeah, you know, I was happy
Speaker 1: with this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked. It looked pretty good, especially at the
Speaker 2: end when they're in the crocodile layer, which is a
Speaker 2: very cool scene and concept. You see it very very
Speaker 2: clearly on screen, and it's it still looks pretty good.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah. And when so prior to that, they had
Speaker 1: a plan to get off the island with they fight,
Speaker 1: like he finds a big hook and they put the
Speaker 1: geese on it, not the dog. They put the keeye
Speaker 1: on it. In the water, he like stays behind the
Speaker 1: jostle the rope. Everyone else gets off. Kate decides to
Speaker 1: like hang around for ages. I don't know why. She's
Speaker 1: the last one off the island before him, and she
Speaker 1: starts swimming across and then the croc let's let's go
Speaker 1: at the bait and she gets taken. And because we've
Speaker 1: already had Sam Worthington taken earlier, I was like, oh, surprised.
Speaker 1: I thought she was dead like the film. The film
Speaker 1: got me. I was like, oh, gone, and I'll give
Speaker 1: her credit. She was like, no, she's probably been taken
Speaker 1: to the crocs lair they mentioned earlier. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not even watching this film probably and you picked
Speaker 1: up on that and I didn't. It's incredibly so and
Speaker 1: that is that is the case. They get onto the
Speaker 1: land and the pete has Kevin still and Kevin like
Speaker 1: runs off following the scent. They get to the caves
Speaker 1: and yeah, I think I think that cave sequence work
Speaker 1: very well. It's kind of believable. What this this travel
Speaker 1: writer against crocodile fight doesn't go very well to start with.
Speaker 1: He like finds a big stick and the croc just
Speaker 1: grabs a big stick and snaps in and thrashes around
Speaker 1: a bit, like, Yeah, that's what that makes sense. You'll
Speaker 1: go this crocodile is huge. You're gonna lose this fight.
Speaker 1: Try by all means, but you're gonna lose. Then the
Speaker 1: final act A bunch of these films end with the
Speaker 1: animal spearing itself through the head. That seems to be
Speaker 1: the main way of taking out a big creature. It
Speaker 1: happens in the Shallows. In both of the Blackwater films,
Speaker 1: they get both get shot in the head from a
Speaker 1: gun that's inside their mouth. I think a very few
Speaker 1: of the films that we've covered end that way, but hey,
Speaker 1: it was the big stick that the crocodile itself sharpened
Speaker 1: by biting it earlier. He lodged it against the rock,
Speaker 1: and then he like sits there and the crock attacks
Speaker 1: him and can't close his mouth on him because the
Speaker 1: rock is in the way and the spears is of
Speaker 1: the head with the spear, and he like survives unscathed
Speaker 1: in the in the the little gap between croc and rock.
Speaker 1: And then he gets out and carries a cake to safety.
Speaker 1: And not a single soul in the world it's gonna
Speaker 1: believe that happened. No, not a single person. No one
Speaker 1: is going to be like, He's going to go to
Speaker 1: the pub and try and get a drink, try and
Speaker 1: get trying, so all night you're this story. No one's
Speaker 1: gonna believe a word of it.
Speaker 3: I picked up this stick, this giant stick, and I
Speaker 3: got him the rock, and I wedged end in. This
Speaker 3: thing was huge, it could be in the whole man.
Speaker 3: I just stabbed it and I climbed out. I was unscathed,
Speaker 3: and be like, nah, look at you. Not a chance,
Speaker 3: not a chance, Michael, No way in hell.
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for you.
Speaker 2: He has to carry around that article that played over
Speaker 2: the credits.
Speaker 1: Will you see that? I didn't. This film ended with
Speaker 1: no credits For me, It just film ended no credits,
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Did it show you back in the like the convenience
Speaker 2: store he goes into. You know, I was covered with
Speaker 2: articles the very ending. It like does a zoom in
Speaker 2: on that wall and there's an article added in the
Speaker 2: middle that's like American man slays giant crocodile.
Speaker 1: I did not say that, but that will help his
Speaker 1: story certainly. So they went was was there a pick
Speaker 1: sure attached to it?
Speaker 2: I think there was a picture of him, But I
Speaker 2: don't know if he was with the crocodile.
Speaker 1: Because I guess it could they could go back and
Speaker 1: so I see that that's a little peak shaped hole
Speaker 1: that I was in between the croc and the rock
Speaker 1: with the big stick. So I guess, look, here's my footprints.
Speaker 1: Please believe me. Yes, I guess he could write write
Speaker 1: a book on that. Yeah, I'll go back and check
Speaker 1: the end of the film, because I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: see that in the crowds. I would go back and check.
Speaker 2: I did think when they were at the convenience store
Speaker 2: at the beginning, I guess that's what it is or
Speaker 2: is it a little like, yeah diner type place. I
Speaker 2: was like, this place has Texas chainsaw vibes. Sure, it
Speaker 2: was so creepy, the different people sitting around.
Speaker 1: And like a pig next to him. It sounded like
Speaker 1: a pig.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had like jarred animal parts and things in them,
Speaker 2: And yeah, it definitely had a weird vibe where if
Speaker 2: you didn't know there was a crocodile, you might think
Speaker 2: that he just stumbled into a small town, uh filled
Speaker 2: with murderers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which might also be true the Brisbane chainsaw messico.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean that would have that goes with
Speaker 1: my uh Russell the widower being a serial killers in
Speaker 1: the town.
Speaker 2: Both things could be true. Just because we didn't see
Speaker 2: anyone being killed by a human doesn't mean that it
Speaker 2: wasn't happening off screen.
Speaker 1: Maybe he killed his wife, who knows? Uh, just good.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else in the film that you wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about? Anything we've missed?
Speaker 2: I did really like So when the riverboat cruise capsizes,
Speaker 2: it runs into an island in the middle of the river,
Speaker 2: and once they're on it. I believe it was Russell
Speaker 2: who says this is a tidal river, so the water
Speaker 2: will continue to rise and by morning the island wouldn't
Speaker 2: even be there anymore, which drives the action of having
Speaker 2: to get get to the shoreline on the other side
Speaker 2: to escape. I thought that was a very fun plot device.
Speaker 2: It it made things like more exciting, and seeing how
Speaker 2: the island was getting smaller was very cool to see.
Speaker 2: From a production aspect of the movie I was interested in.
Speaker 2: I didn't really read up on, you know, if there's
Speaker 2: any behind the scenes on that about how they kind
Speaker 2: of created that, like because you could clearly see the
Speaker 2: island getting smaller as it goes. But that was a
Speaker 2: fun way to have them like add another.
Speaker 1: Obstacle, so the ticking clock element to it, which yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that as well. I mean it adds some
Speaker 1: propulsion to the blot and I like every every now
Speaker 1: and then you get a shot of like a little
Speaker 1: footprint being filled with water just I guess the water
Speaker 1: levels and the fire has not been put out by
Speaker 1: the water. Yeah, that was that was good, Like this
Speaker 1: is where the water goes up to and it was
Speaker 1: still like enough land from water standal on the top
Speaker 1: if they if they wanted to, but it would be
Speaker 1: a lot easier for the crop to then just get
Speaker 1: them because they would have been a lot they would
Speaker 1: be near the water's edge at all times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was good.
Speaker 1: And when they get on the island, the boat radio
Speaker 1: doesn't work or anything. So Russell's what it says is
Speaker 1: it's a tieline. But he's also like, no bloody radio.
Speaker 1: You got stuck in this with no bloody radio. And
Speaker 1: he'd been like quite a nice, like why sedated character
Speaker 1: at that point it just kicks off there's no radio,
Speaker 1: which again, hey, it's it's in that kind of situation
Speaker 1: you probably probably would. I've been watching a lot of
Speaker 1: Australian films recently. With doing reptiles this year, a lot
Speaker 1: of them seem to be said in Australia for some reason.
Speaker 1: And then my favorite podcast, blank Check is doing the
Speaker 1: films of Peter Weir, and so I've been watching a
Speaker 1: bunch of Peter Weir films recently. And so I've just
Speaker 1: been watching a bunch of Australian films and it's great
Speaker 1: Australian films can there's there's got a great bunch of
Speaker 1: films coming over. I just watched Gallipoli the other day,
Speaker 1: which is is. It's like a Australian World War One
Speaker 1: film with a pretty insanity. Mel Gibson in like the
Speaker 1: co lead of it, and it's good. It's mainly like
Speaker 1: war sucks, where is dumb? Don't do war is the
Speaker 1: main takeaway from that film. But it's actually very well done.
Speaker 1: And like the Cars that The Cars eight. Paris is
Speaker 1: an odd little film. Not not Paris, France, Paris Australia.
Speaker 1: There's too many Parises in the world. Theres at least three.
Speaker 1: We don't need one. Yeah, it's fun. There's some good
Speaker 1: films from from Peter Wick, uh, Australia in general, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what other there's surely going to be
Speaker 1: more cropping up in this series with so it's got
Speaker 1: to be more from Australia. With me. They have all
Speaker 1: the animals, sure, that's where the reptiles came from.
Speaker 2: The other thing I was going to mention were the
Speaker 2: other creatures that were attacking them the entire movie, which
Speaker 2: was the flies flies, yes, which I imagine they were
Speaker 2: actually just dealing with in real life and it looked miserable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people trying to act with flies on their faces. No,
Speaker 1: thank you. They're just like landing on their cheeks or
Speaker 1: there is what are you doing close up? This isn't no, no,
Speaker 1: we can't do this. Stop it horrible. I hate it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of animals. I do like when they
Speaker 1: pepper films with like shots of animals. Didn't need a
Speaker 1: water buffalo to eat in by crocodile in the opening scene,
Speaker 1: wasn't the fan, No thank you? And then there's just
Speaker 1: like shots of a reptile of some guy like a
Speaker 1: guana or something. Climbing a tree. Is probably not in
Speaker 1: the iguana because it's not Miami. It's going to be
Speaker 1: It's like climbing a tree as I'm going I just
Speaker 1: like color in that way. Yeah, have the giant grasshoppers
Speaker 1: clinging to little bits of little stems in the water
Speaker 1: towards the end, just biro people doing biro of animals
Speaker 1: in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That that was besides the, like you said, the
Speaker 2: water buffalo dying at the beginning, all the other wildlife
Speaker 2: shots were pretty fun. I had one last thing that
Speaker 2: I was going to bring up. So the entire time
Speaker 2: I've thought of this movie Rogue, since I brought it
Speaker 2: up to you. I brought I told my husband Rob,
Speaker 2: you know Rob. He was also there for the bowling
Speaker 2: and fish and chips. I was like, it's about you know,
Speaker 2: I probably said Alligator in Australia and it's starring Olivia Wilde,
Speaker 2: different present, and I one percent told him I or
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent thought that she was the lead
Speaker 2: in this movie, or at least was in it. I
Speaker 2: couldn't remember. I didn't necessarily think she was the riverboat
Speaker 2: captain or you know, I didn't necessarily think she was Kate.
Speaker 2: But maybe that is who I was thinking of, because
Speaker 2: nobody else she doesn't even look like Olivia wild but
Speaker 2: I can't imagine anyone else who did. And I looked
Speaker 2: through Olivia Wilde's filmography. There is nothing that I could
Speaker 2: have been mixing up in my brain. So I just
Speaker 2: made that up.
Speaker 1: So I thought this starn Rhonamitra because I always get
Speaker 1: her and RDA. Mitchell mixed up because they have similar names.
Speaker 1: And that's that's all it is, is the R and
Speaker 1: the the meter and the Mitchell. So like I said
Speaker 1: to A we're watching Crocodile film tonight. It's got Rhona Metro.
Speaker 3: She was on.
Speaker 1: She's like retired from acting for a while and went
Speaker 1: just lived in the Wild and she appeared on this
Speaker 1: TV show called Ben Fog Lives in the Wild or something,
Speaker 1: and she was on that and do you remember that show?
Speaker 1: She like that lady. She's in this and she's not
Speaker 1: in this different person. Yeah, this is This is rad
Speaker 1: Rada Mitchell, who was in you know, Silent Hill and Neighbors,
Speaker 1: h Pitch Black, Great and Pitch Black.
Speaker 2: When the opening credits started, I was like, where's Olivia
Speaker 2: Wilde's name? It's not here in this. Then I googled
Speaker 2: it really quick and was like, what the hell was
Speaker 2: I thinking?
Speaker 1: She's just like Michael Vartan is the guy and stuff.
Speaker 1: She's very much the lady in the Olympus Has Fallen
Speaker 1: trilogy where she's like Gerard Butler's wife, but like at
Speaker 1: the start of both of them in the first two,
Speaker 1: and then she was recast in the third one. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because then she has more to do, so so they can't.
Speaker 1: I want to say it was God, Piper Baraboo. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: Piper Perah. Apparently there's rather Mitchell had a scheduled scheduling conflict.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the shame. Okay, great, Well, I leaved even
Speaker 1: through all of my notes, I think normally at this time,
Speaker 1: listeners is listeners. If this is your first time listening
Speaker 1: to the show, welcomes. This is Deeply see the podcast.
Speaker 1: When I go through the film, I also go through
Speaker 1: it and work out how deep all the action takes place,
Speaker 1: out how blue everything is on screen, and how much
Speaker 1: of it takes place at sea. My day has gone
Speaker 1: to pop today and I haven't had a chance to
Speaker 1: do that. Jess, I'm sorry. I will do that before
Speaker 1: this episode gets released, but I don't have the figures now. However,
Speaker 1: you can still make your guess because still like guess
Speaker 1: how much you think it is, and then I can
Speaker 1: put in how right or wrong you were later.
Speaker 2: So sorry, it's okay.
Speaker 1: So Deeply is of course on average fourteen and a
Speaker 1: half meters of forty seven and a half feet deep,
Speaker 1: about thirty one percent blue and eighty nine percent of
Speaker 1: it takes place at sea. Do you think do you
Speaker 1: think Rogue is deeper blue or more at sea than deeplu.
Speaker 2: Sy I would say less on all accounts.
Speaker 1: I would agree as well, probably because I don't think
Speaker 1: I mean, they're in the caves at the end are underground,
Speaker 1: so I'll count that as being deep. It's not a
Speaker 1: terribly blue film as most of these films you have,
Speaker 1: like Blue in the Sky, but the water seems pretty murky.
Speaker 1: And then never at sea, not a single second lay
Speaker 1: at see it's a river, never at sea. They're salt
Speaker 1: to crocodiles. But it's a river's a saltwater river. So
Speaker 1: zero yes, So this is Jay's jumping back in after
Speaker 1: we recorded. I have now done the full deep blue
Speaker 1: sea analysis of Rogue, and as predicted, not a very
Speaker 1: deep film works out being eleven centimeters or zero point
Speaker 1: three seven feet in underwater, so it's slightly deeper than
Speaker 1: Lifeboat and slightly less deep than Ghost Shark sixty one
Speaker 1: on the ranking blueness. Not a very blue film two
Speaker 1: point zero three percent blue, which is slightly bluer than
Speaker 1: Five Days of War, slightly less blue than the deep
Speaker 1: Blue Sea at two point zero fourth, very close, very close,
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty three on the ranking blueness. And
Speaker 1: just as we said, zero percent at sea, never at
Speaker 1: sea for a second, but thirty point six percent of
Speaker 1: it is at water on the water, so that's more
Speaker 1: at water than night swim less at Water than Fit
Speaker 1: Belo neither which error in the sea either. Back to
Speaker 1: the show, but one thing we have been doing is
Speaker 1: how thematically Deep Blue and at Sea is this film
Speaker 1: in comparisons deeply see? And that means right, that's the
Speaker 1: correct expression should have on your face, because we haven't
Speaker 1: got any kind of figures to quantify this. This is
Speaker 1: just pure vibes. So depth wise are the characters in
Speaker 1: Rogue like deeper? Is there more to them as like
Speaker 1: characters than in Deep Lucy?
Speaker 2: Interesting? I do think that this movie does a good
Speaker 2: job of establishing sort of what's going on with the
Speaker 2: different characters very quickly and giving them the like just
Speaker 2: a little bit of like a personality and a tiny
Speaker 2: bit of backstory for some of them. But I would
Speaker 2: say in comparison, I I would say, compared to the
Speaker 2: Alzheimer's storyline, that goes deeper than like all the surface
Speaker 2: level stuff of Rogue.
Speaker 1: Sure, I think that's fair. I think some of the
Speaker 1: smaller characters have more depth to them in Rogue than
Speaker 1: in Deep For instance, that the likes you know, we'd
Speaker 1: have Edittori on this show, but she doesn't. Her characters
Speaker 1: don't have a lot to do in Deep she's just like, Hey,
Speaker 1: she's loud, she likes to party, she's she's she's exploded. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I think like that that kind of comparable levels
Speaker 1: of that to the characters here. The overall, I think
Speaker 1: more depth and deep bluer, how happy or sad? Other
Speaker 1: characters in Rogue sadder? Are they more blue than in Deeplus?
Speaker 2: Would you say, now, is this like pre animal attack
Speaker 2: or or post animal attack through throughout?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hard to hard to judge this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say more in in Rogue because there
Speaker 2: is a child involved, Yeah, that it changes things. And
Speaker 2: there's a dog, well is there a dog? Indepussy, there's
Speaker 2: a there's a bird in right, of course, of course
Speaker 2: there's a bird. Oh that is really sad too. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say Rogue is maybe a little sadder because of
Speaker 2: the whole like widow and the child losing her father
Speaker 2: in front of her while her mother is like, seems
Speaker 2: like she's dying soon. So I'll go with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the things we do. But up
Speaker 1: against in deeps is when characters die, people don't often
Speaker 1: care that much. You get like this is for skugs,
Speaker 1: and you get like, yeah, preacher doing it like, oh
Speaker 1: are you all that made it? You get like a
Speaker 1: little like sad response from from Susan and that's about it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think because this is this is like
Speaker 1: small small like families that really know each other, where
Speaker 1: like people are taking out mid family kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, John Wayne's partner like she loses him to
Speaker 2: lose down mind. Yeah, but that's very traumatic.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And then at see other characters in Rogue more
Speaker 1: lost than in Deep Busy.
Speaker 2: Well Simon with his the Man the Legend, suret he
Speaker 2: definitely seems lost.
Speaker 1: He seems like a loser. Sure, I think they are
Speaker 1: more lost in Rogue. They don't know where they are,
Speaker 1: whereas in Deep Sy they know where they are. They're
Speaker 1: on a guadaca.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, if you look at it that way, that's
Speaker 2: definitely true. Yes, they are definitely lost. People see that.
Speaker 2: You know, they know exactly where they are, ye.
Speaker 1: Where they work, They've been there a bunch of times. Yeah. Yeah, great,
Speaker 1: So that's we haven't worked out a way of tapulating
Speaker 1: this in the Crath or anything. It's just a way
Speaker 1: we'd like to end of the show sometimes. So good,
Speaker 1: uh great, So that I think that that will do
Speaker 1: it for rogue.
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought I had two other notes. Actually, I
Speaker 2: was saving for this for the Deep Blue Cy comparison,
Speaker 2: because I know sometimes you bring up like scenes that
Speaker 2: relate back to Deep Lucy. There was two things, okay
Speaker 2: that I jotted down. When the father is killed, it
Speaker 2: is a little Sam Jackson like he's not making a speech,
Speaker 2: but it comes up behind him and takes him out,
Speaker 2: and it's a shocking moment. And also at the end
Speaker 2: and Kate is being hauled away on a by a helicopter.
Speaker 2: Now she isn't attacked or there's no storm going on,
Speaker 2: but it did remind me.
Speaker 1: Of that she is not later used to break a
Speaker 1: giant window underwater. But the style of the scene is
Speaker 1: certainly Yeah, those are both. And and when they're doing
Speaker 1: the rope bridge thing and they fall off that that's
Speaker 1: kind of like Janis falls off of the ladder in
Speaker 1: the tower. Oh yeah, yeah, but Janis dies in that
Speaker 1: scenes true, And there's a giant animal both of them
Speaker 1: eat people of course, would big I think rogue is
Speaker 1: a good title for this. I'm assuming it's like it's
Speaker 1: the it's a rogue crocodile, a word I don't know
Speaker 1: if it E've actually said in this probably is there
Speaker 1: was an there's another film, is it? With the Rogue
Speaker 1: twenty twenty with Megan Fox? Megan Fox lion film called
Speaker 1: which I have seen and do not remember.
Speaker 2: Is that also like an attack? Like the lions attacking people?
Speaker 1: It's it's Megan Fox plays like a mercenary. She's like
Speaker 1: head of a mercenary team that's sent to go and
Speaker 1: retrieve someone and then they encounter a lion along the way.
Speaker 1: It's in Africa. I saw it. I think I saw
Speaker 1: it in the cinema. Yeah, pass one of those films
Speaker 1: that I watched and then it fell out of my head. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I when I was searching for our emails about Rogue,
Speaker 2: it had a shocking number of results because it brought
Speaker 2: up a ton of emails about Rogue one and Mission Impossible.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't recall that we discussed those films
Speaker 1: quite so much every email. But I mean, you did
Speaker 1: a whole.
Speaker 2: Podcast, but I just searched Sea.
Speaker 1: Because you did a whole STOs podcast, So, but you
Speaker 1: didn't have a Rogue one in that.
Speaker 2: I think it just was French to Sunday related emails
Speaker 2: and like Lamb Cast. Emails about doing episodes about those.
Speaker 1: Movies were definitely from me at the time. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was my tenure. Excellent. Well, do you have anything anything
Speaker 1: that you want to plug any any current podcasting product,
Speaker 1: projects or future or past anything else.
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't have anything to bring up.
Speaker 1: And if you want to listen to Jazz on First
Speaker 1: Las Sunday, you can't because it's been taken down. I
Speaker 1: can because I have an archive, but I'm not supposed to.
Speaker 2: Pit j up for it.
Speaker 1: Hit me up, I'll send anything or not. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: falls are huge, but there we are. It's fine. Uh good, excellent. Well,
Speaker 1: you can follow this podcast all over social media at
Speaker 1: Deep Blue Sea Deep we see pod or email step
Speaker 1: we see pod, Gmail dot com. My personal site is
Speaker 1: life is This Film dot com. I should have some
Speaker 1: more David Lynch reviews up by the time this comes up,
Speaker 1: because I've finished my review of twenty twenty five in March,
Speaker 1: and since then I have watched Lost Highway and Inland
Speaker 1: Empire and The Straight Stories, so that we'll be reviews
Speaker 1: those soon and then hopefully I'll be getting onto Twin Peaks.
Speaker 1: The return seen by episode of episodes and reviewing that there.
Speaker 1: So Lifeless is film dot com is where you can
Speaker 1: read that. I'll be doing an episode but episode recap,
Speaker 1: watch along kind of things I haven't seen them before.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: Next week will probably be an episode on and Deep
Speaker 1: we see a chapter of That's that's what we do here.
Speaker 1: We're near the end. We've got like two episodes left,
Speaker 1: I think, so we'll get we're they're nearly done. But
Speaker 1: as for Rogue, thank you once again to my incredible
Speaker 1: guest Jess Manzo. Thank you for waiting so long to
Speaker 1: cover the films in the banking I have been Jake
Speaker 1: Bluer and we'll Deep Blue see you next week.
Speaker 2: H