Speaker 1: Welcome to Our Interesting Times with host Timothy Kelly, who
Speaker 1: interviews today's top alternative and revisionist thinkers.
Speaker 2: May live in interesting times. Welcome to our interesting Times.
Speaker 2: My guest tonight is Jay Dyer. He returns to the
Speaker 2: show to discuss guest Lecture seven of his Tragian Hopes series. Jay,
Speaker 2: how are you doing this evening?
Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Tim How are you very well?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Of course you are the proprietor of Jay's Analysis,
Speaker 2: and you also have a book coming out very soon
Speaker 2: for understand.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, mayship in the next week. Okay, I'm supposed
Speaker 3: to get my author copies this week, and I presume
Speaker 3: that that means.
Speaker 4: That people that have ordered it will get it too.
Speaker 3: But I'm not homercent positive.
Speaker 2: Okay, of course that's esoteric. Hollywood sex calls, the symbols
Speaker 2: and film correct, had the subtitle correct? Okay, there you go. Great, Okay,
Speaker 2: look forward to that and well tonight, of course, maybe,
Speaker 2: if time permitting, maybe getting to some of this election
Speaker 2: the last minute election scandal which I listened to, Oh oh.
Speaker 3: What's his name?
Speaker 2: My god?
Speaker 3: Kimothy Guidner, doctor.
Speaker 2: Joseph Farrell, and he was on the interview with a
Speaker 2: dark journalist, and his take on the the Cump candidacy
Speaker 2: is rather interesting, saying that it's part of it's a
Speaker 2: his his whole ambassy is being pushed by one faction
Speaker 2: of the elite to well, at first to ensure Hillary's
Speaker 2: election and now to prevent her election. There's been some changing,
Speaker 2: I mean, of course of speculation, but that somehow people
Speaker 2: within the elite have gotten Trump to run and now
Speaker 2: this this sort of this deep state revolution against Hillary
Speaker 2: is now a reflection of that sort of backstage intrigue.
Speaker 2: So I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, I saw one of the Podesta emails includes a
Speaker 3: dinner plan with Marina Abramovich, who is the witch that
Speaker 3: inspires Lady Gaga, and the dinner is supposed to include
Speaker 3: spirit cooking. There's a video where Marina Abraviovich explains what
Speaker 3: spirit cooking is and she utilizes pig blood, human semen,
Speaker 3: and breast milk. So that would suggest even a cult
Speaker 3: involvement on top of the pedophilia elements that have been
Speaker 3: coming out in the past couple days.
Speaker 2: And of course that would conflict with the Podesta's claims
Speaker 2: of being a faithful Catholic.
Speaker 4: It would seem to.
Speaker 3: But I was surprised to see that I didn't.
Speaker 4: I was somebody talking about that.
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 3: I mean, on the one hand, I should have been
Speaker 3: like yeah, obviously, but then I was also like, no,
Speaker 3: surely not. But yeah, there is a dinner with Podesta
Speaker 3: and Marina Abramovich and they talk about spirit cooking and
Speaker 3: if you don't believe me, watch your Marina's video explaining
Speaker 3: what spirit cooking is.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Okay, it just straight up basically, it's just straight up
Speaker 3: witchcraft and you know, kind of voodoo type stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well he is a member of the Trilateral Commission,
Speaker 2: and you know, when you get into these elite circles
Speaker 2: of course with your research, and you know what I've
Speaker 2: come to learn that's again, it's not too shocking once
Speaker 2: you're aware of that dimension too. Yeah, politics, you know,
Speaker 2: so it's like bohemian grove, you know, once you exactly
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: And this whole thing, the whole Epstein thing, it all
Speaker 3: seems to be a giant sort of blackmail thing that
Speaker 3: is really no different than what we've seen with Franklin
Speaker 3: cover up and the whole stories of Johnny Gosh and
Speaker 3: the manor in England where am I five was surveilling
Speaker 3: and blackmailing, and they had you know, Ted Heath and
Speaker 3: all these people that were coming to this callboy house
Speaker 3: in England, with save of course being connected to as
Speaker 3: I understand Epstein and all these characters.
Speaker 2: And it's almost like we get a glimpse that then
Speaker 2: the investigation is shut down. And the reason why we
Speaker 2: can only get a glimpse because a full I think
Speaker 2: a full reckoning or a full investigation would open up
Speaker 2: a whole can of worms and maybe reveal too much
Speaker 2: about the true nature of the system. You know so
Speaker 2: well for right now you just concluded a Tragy Nope
Speaker 2: lecture seven. Of course, last time we talked we covered
Speaker 2: lectures four or five, and and we covered the well
Speaker 2: the rise of the European banking houses and the eventual
Speaker 2: primacy of the Rothschild banking house, the intrigues at the
Speaker 2: Atlantis's powers and the inter war period, and how their
Speaker 2: dual policy of appeasing and then demonizing Hiler was sort
Speaker 2: of a dialectic created to fermenta yet another war in Europe,
Speaker 2: World War two, because you and this was this was
Speaker 2: a part of a process of doing way with sort
Speaker 2: of this three block stage and sort of creating a
Speaker 2: two block or bipolar war. This was the Cold War,
Speaker 2: and this what you focus on on Lecture seven when
Speaker 2: you deal with the rise of the military industrial complex,
Speaker 2: the Cold War, the espionage apparatus, and the sciat that
Speaker 2: is nuclear terra, as well as the identity as you
Speaker 2: call the identity of the real illuminati. So how do
Speaker 2: you want to get into this?
Speaker 3: Of course, it starts in the background of the chapter
Speaker 3: that quickly titled the New Age and rationalization and science
Speaker 3: and scientism relativism in the physical sense, which of course
Speaker 3: is connected to relativism in the philosophic sense as well. Darwinism, Marx,
Speaker 3: and Freud are all listed by Quickling that chapter as
Speaker 3: founding fathers of the modern world. And this is interesting
Speaker 3: because we know Quickly is onto something because it echoes
Speaker 3: writings that we've seen that I've delved into and other
Speaker 3: geopolitical analysts that might not be as well known, like
Speaker 3: Oswald Spangler or his student Francis Parker. Yaki Yacki's book
Speaker 3: Imperium has a whole chapter on well, actually separate chapters
Speaker 3: on Darwin, Marx, and Freud as kind of the fathers
Speaker 3: of modernity, and I think those shifts once again come.
Speaker 4: To the foe as setting the stage for the rise of.
Speaker 3: What Quickly's talking about here with the military industrial complex,
Speaker 3: the deep state, the private defense contractors, the research and
Speaker 3: development labs that are all set up Lincoln Labs, MI
Speaker 3: t Rand Corporation, which is a started curtisil May Air Force.
Speaker 3: We know as well that also under the ages of
Speaker 3: the Air Force is NASA. So NASA is actually going
Speaker 3: to play into this too, because we're gonna see and
Speaker 3: this is going.
Speaker 4: To be part of the next lecture that I do.
Speaker 3: The tie in between the space race, the missile race,
Speaker 3: and the shifting of American philosophy basically as a kind
Speaker 3: of outworking of the scientistic deep state.
Speaker 4: And as Quickly.
Speaker 3: Says pretty clearly, it's all based on pragmatism, it's all
Speaker 3: based on empiricism, all those philosophical ideas that you and
Speaker 3: I have already kind of highlighted in the background. And
Speaker 3: it was a deep state even then that had a
Speaker 3: dual policy, to use the words of both the Chamberlain
Speaker 3: and now Hillary Clinton in her emails mentioning a dual policy,
Speaker 3: if a private policy towards the bankers and Goldman Sachs
Speaker 3: that she gave her talks to and a different policy
Speaker 3: for the public idiots out there. And it's no different
Speaker 3: with our technocratic rulers that were all prepped by World
Speaker 3: War two. And what we have is this sudden new threat. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's almost like the threat has to be upped. The
Speaker 3: ante has to be upped every time. Right, So the
Speaker 3: warfare World War One, the dangers and the terrors that
Speaker 3: we all went through, well not we, I guess our
Speaker 3: grandparents or whatever great grandparents.
Speaker 4: That has to be settled. We have to.
Speaker 3: We have to take precautions through a second World war
Speaker 3: to avoid the dangers of World War One, right, and
Speaker 3: then after World War Two we have to take new
Speaker 3: precautions to avoid the dangers of everything that we saw
Speaker 3: in World War two, which was the threat of the
Speaker 3: entire planet being engulfed in the war because of nukes
Speaker 3: and so again nukes, space race, weapons race, it's all connected.
Speaker 3: And quickly is going to say that in the next
Speaker 3: lecture that I do, of course, but for now, I
Speaker 3: thought that that one of the most important chapters in
Speaker 3: the book, besides perhaps the chapter that I covered this time,
Speaker 3: dealing with the Cliveden set and the Anglo American establishment
Speaker 3: that he kind of lays out Morgan Chase, the different bankers,
Speaker 3: Walter Lippmann, these characters that Wall Street characters that were
Speaker 3: part of this Eastern establishment, the New York establishment tied
Speaker 3: to London. Is this chapter on the New Age because
Speaker 3: it's very prophetic. It talks about AI, it talks about transhumanism,
Speaker 3: it talks about cybernetics, talks about as we said, Ran
Speaker 3: Corporation is basically the merchants of death Right and the
Speaker 3: rise of game theory. We talked about all that last time,
Speaker 3: but that is you have to understand that to be
Speaker 3: the background to Manhattan Project and doctor Edward Teller, who's
Speaker 3: also of course the father of geoengineering or aerosol spray
Speaker 3: atmospheric aerosol spring programs. He's known for that. But curiously
Speaker 3: there's these little slip in comments by Quickly that the
Speaker 3: Alexander Sachs and Bernard Baruk is who's behind setting up
Speaker 3: this UN plan for the Security Council. So the whole point,
Speaker 3: the whole origin of the UN Security Council comes out
Speaker 3: of this and the need and desire to watch dog
Speaker 3: all of the global nuke networks, the nukes that are
Speaker 3: out there everywhere. All the Russians have nukes now too,
Speaker 3: by the forties, right, So it's fear, fear of fear,
Speaker 3: fear of fear, and a lot of other curious statements
Speaker 3: about the project itself, highly compartmentalized. Only about a dozen
Speaker 3: persons quickly says on page fifty six actually knew what
Speaker 3: the program was as a whole. So it's, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: that's very difficult, you know, looking back on history to
Speaker 3: know exactly what was going on here. You know, to
Speaker 3: what degree are the nukes really a threat? Are there
Speaker 3: really all these black network are these black market nukes
Speaker 3: out there? I mean, I would say I'm skeptical, but
Speaker 3: just because I don't know how to prove that. I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously you can't just go on these you know, thirty
Speaker 3: forty fifty year old images of what appeared to be explosions.
Speaker 3: Those could be anything. Just like I don't think that
Speaker 3: the original Moon images are legitimate, and I think that
Speaker 3: if you read Dave McGowan's book Wagging the Moondoggie, it's
Speaker 3: pretty laughable to try to prop those images up as legitimate.
Speaker 3: That also, however, isn't really a statement on what the
Speaker 3: real technology is. I don't know, And I think that
Speaker 3: that's kind of the point, is that they would use
Speaker 3: a lot of this imagery and fear right the same
Speaker 3: stuff with NASA, just like with the bombs and the
Speaker 3: nukes as a means to I mean, it's all perception management.
Speaker 3: So if you can get everybody thinking it's real, then
Speaker 3: who cares is you don't even really need it. Quickly
Speaker 3: also mentions curious statements, as I said before, about some
Speaker 3: of the atomic spying stories being faked, the FBI and
Speaker 3: Hollywood working together on that I mentioned before. I've got
Speaker 3: a section in my book too on the FBI story
Speaker 3: with Jimmy Stewart right playing this role the movie that
Speaker 3: was made in tandem with Jagger. Hoover now Quickly doesn't
Speaker 3: say that all the espionage was fake. He says that
Speaker 3: a lot of it was hyped up. And he also
Speaker 3: mentions the right wing in America and he of course
Speaker 3: makes fun of them, and he says that these neo
Speaker 3: isolations are all backwards idiots and goofballs. And then main
Speaker 3: reason he thinks that is because they haven't seen that
Speaker 3: there are people behind this are not ultimately the Comies.
Speaker 3: It's not ultimately Russians, it's the Atlantics. It's the elite
Speaker 3: in this country who wanted this, and so quickly basically
Speaker 3: says that right now. He doesn't say that there's no
Speaker 3: actual opposition in Russia. He supports the argument that Stalin
Speaker 3: refused the Marshall plan aid and that this is the
Speaker 3: beginning of the Cold War. That is, in fact, is
Speaker 3: where he dates the beginning of the Cold War. But
Speaker 3: I think what is most telling is also statements about,
Speaker 3: excuse me, Hollywood nuke propaganda on page eight seventy five. So,
Speaker 3: and I've watched a bunch of bad movies from that period,
Speaker 3: and there's you know, you see it everywhere. You know,
Speaker 3: everybody's got these bomb shelters, and everybody's afraid of nukes,
Speaker 3: and you know, you stop dropping a roll again on
Speaker 3: your desk or something like, that's gonna stop a nuke
Speaker 3: incinerating you. But I'm not saying that. I think ICBMs
Speaker 3: are real. Obviously, I think they really are intercontinental ballistic missiles.
Speaker 3: But as to whether they are tipped with a mega
Speaker 3: weapon that can cut the planet in half, I'm suspicious,
Speaker 3: But I don't know, there's a lot of different angles
Speaker 3: to go on this, but I think what's most interesting is,
Speaker 3: you know, he does talk about John Birch Society on
Speaker 3: page eight eighty two or something akin to it. I
Speaker 3: can't remember if he actually he basically talks about mccarthy'sm
Speaker 3: and he's talking about the anti communist movements and how Dulles,
Speaker 3: who was kind of spearheading a lot of that, was
Speaker 3: at the same time, you know, a deep state player, right,
Speaker 3: John Foster Dulles, and of course later on his brother Alan,
Speaker 3: and so the Dulles brothers, as we know from other
Speaker 3: books as well, you know that they're they're not real
Speaker 3: quote anti communists. They're part of this setting the stage
Speaker 3: for the Cold War and provoking and continuing the Cold War.
Speaker 4: And you know, if if if we if.
Speaker 3: There really wanted to not be a Cold War, they
Speaker 3: wanted to put it into this, then they wouldn't have
Speaker 3: have done what they did at Yalta in Potsdam, you know,
Speaker 3: they wouldn't have handed over a third of the world
Speaker 3: to through the Communist block. And that was all painted
Speaker 3: as if there's all these reds in the US government. Well,
Speaker 3: there probably were a lot of people who could imbibe
Speaker 3: this the this, this liberalism, and quickly talks about that
Speaker 3: at the Institute for Pacific Relations and so forth. But
Speaker 3: when we stopped for a moment and recall that Mao
Speaker 3: was apparently a Yali, a Yale in China, and that
Speaker 3: the oss Is who trained his gorillas and and Donovan
Speaker 3: set up this buy networks throughout China, we start to
Speaker 3: realize that that's she had at the angle of the
Speaker 3: Cold War that was fake and staged and manufactured. And
Speaker 3: as you pointed out, David Rockefeller could he could fly
Speaker 3: into Moscow. In Mark Rockefeller's own memoirs, he traces the
Speaker 3: establishment of Chase Bank, that was the first bank in
Speaker 3: communist China. Everybody also is probably aware in this audience
Speaker 3: at least of the nineteen seventy three editorial from a
Speaker 3: China Traveler World where Dave Rockefeller praises MAU as the
Speaker 3: great social experiment.
Speaker 4: So there's no reel at that level opposition. There is
Speaker 4: the need.
Speaker 3: For this appearance of the godless, godless East and you know,
Speaker 3: the godly West, which is again propaganda. So there's just
Speaker 3: there's That's what comes to my mind right off the bat.
Speaker 3: But I noticed another point I'll make too a contradiction
Speaker 3: if we look back at the bomb question. Quiggly, on
Speaker 3: the one hand, says that Oppenheimer was not a great
Speaker 3: scientist of the class of Einstein Born Fermi on page
Speaker 3: eight to eighty five, but he calls him a cultural
Speaker 3: critic and specifically adept at literature and music. Now, about
Speaker 3: two hundred pages later, he says the exact opposite and
Speaker 3: says that Oppenheimer was the genius behind the Manhattan Project
Speaker 3: and a great scientist. So what I what I've noticed
Speaker 3: going through this and making so many notes, is that
Speaker 3: Quiggly's not consistent with himself. He'll say all kinds of
Speaker 3: things that don't really line up. And that's probably because
Speaker 3: the book was has to have been written over, you know,
Speaker 3: a long period of time. Nobody could you don't slap
Speaker 3: this book out in a few few months, right, yeah, Hello, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 4: I didn't know if he were still there.
Speaker 3: So, you know, there's a lot of contradictions in quick
Speaker 3: there's a lot of statements that don't make sense, even
Speaker 3: about the nukes, which is what you know where we're
Speaker 3: at now, and so I almost think it's very reblatory.
Speaker 3: But because it's an apologetic book, and because it's you know,
Speaker 3: intended for a certain academic, professional government class of audience.
Speaker 3: Even this book is a limited revelation because, for example,
Speaker 3: the chapters I was just recently reviewing about Castro and
Speaker 3: Cuba and Bay of Pigs, you don't get anything like
Speaker 3: the analysis that you get from Servondo Gonzalez on that topic,
Speaker 3: who I think is very insightful. You get a lot
Speaker 3: of well, the CIA just bungled this, They just totally
Speaker 3: messed up. And granted, maybe that was because you know,
Speaker 3: Quigley's writing this right around the time of Bad Pigs,
Speaker 3: so you know, it's a complex book, and I think
Speaker 3: Quiggly was maybe Quigley was even aware of his own contradictions.
Speaker 2: Who knows how far are you go?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. That's a that's a better way
Speaker 3: to put it.
Speaker 2: Because there's a I had an interview last year with
Speaker 2: Kevin Cole about the article in the Washington Post by
Speaker 2: I think Rudy Maxa was the reporter and the title
Speaker 2: of the article was the Professor that knew too much,
Speaker 2: and Kevin Cole's analysis of it was the article that
Speaker 2: said too little and he didn't know what questions to
Speaker 2: ask what quickly was saying in an interview if you
Speaker 2: could didn't have to read through the lines. Yeah, obviously
Speaker 2: suggested if her were to reveal too much, he'd be threatened,
Speaker 2: whether his career or his life or something, and he asked,
Speaker 2: he asked reporter to turn the tape off.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Then he talks about his illustration with the publisher of
Speaker 2: his books regarding the plates, and you've talked about that before.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was the book suppressed? And well the
Speaker 2: owner of the publisher and book was Churse, would the
Speaker 2: owner of the publishing house? Can you can trace it
Speaker 2: back to Chatham House? And this whole the road circle,
Speaker 2: so you know, he was probably aware of how far
Speaker 2: he could go, and also probably his own bias. I
Speaker 2: guess what he's writing about, But I did one thing.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the Manhattan Project, and you bring up Oppenheimer,
Speaker 2: the fact that he wasn't really a technical person. He
Speaker 2: was which you think this would be highly technical. You know,
Speaker 2: he as the administrator of the Manhattan Project.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he says several times that the people actually running
Speaker 3: the project were not scientists, bankers, and yeah, administrate people, bureaucrats.
Speaker 4: And then you have these.
Speaker 3: Compartmentalized scientists who quickly says, don't really know what was
Speaker 3: the whole project was.
Speaker 2: And you and quickly he talks either was it quickly?
Speaker 2: He wrote, some of the sciences are very skeptical about
Speaker 2: the success of the project.
Speaker 3: He says that they all doubted it, just like the moon.
Speaker 3: He mentions the Moon by the way. He says that
Speaker 3: scientists are doubtful, you know, the possibility of going to
Speaker 3: the moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the visionaries and the pr guys were saying, oh,
Speaker 2: we can do this, like Kennedy saying we'll go to
Speaker 2: the Moon at the end of the decade, and we'll
Speaker 2: do We'll do it because it's hard or whatever, all
Speaker 2: the political rhetoric, but that the technical people saying, wait
Speaker 2: a seconds, Easier said than done. And well, that's interesting
Speaker 2: because with like the Manhattan Project, it's like NASA. I
Speaker 2: was looking at NASA's first administrator, this guy Thomas Glennon,
Speaker 2: and he came from motion picture industry.
Speaker 3: There you go, this is what we start seeing pretty consistently.
Speaker 3: Is this a very strange revolving door that is not
Speaker 3: the field that you would expect, such as science or
Speaker 3: physics or engineering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he moved from like motion picture I think paramount
Speaker 2: to Samuel Golden Studios, then to like aviation, and who
Speaker 2: knows at that level what you're involved in, because I
Speaker 2: think at that point with aviation that you're you're you're
Speaker 2: getting into the deep state, the military military industrial complex,
Speaker 2: and maybe you would be involved in some sort of
Speaker 2: PSIOP or fakery.
Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely that John Adams over at Hostbusters actually dug
Speaker 3: up a great or article on the jet propulsion Laboratory
Speaker 3: in southern California. Yes, and it's connection to Hollywood, believe
Speaker 3: it or not.
Speaker 2: In many other things.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, but but this this backs up that the
Speaker 3: Hollywood connection that you're talking about. And I believe the
Speaker 3: it's called it's by Peter J. Westwick, and this is
Speaker 3: a it's a chapter in some academic book, but it's
Speaker 3: about the societal impact of JPL, and I believe that's
Speaker 3: the one where he reconnects it to Yeah, so there's
Speaker 3: a lot of mentions of different films that would reflect
Speaker 3: JPL and how the films would later and things like
Speaker 3: IMAX would later be connected directly to to NASA and
Speaker 3: promoting NASA and all this stuff and CBS's role with
Speaker 3: NASA a very close connection there.
Speaker 4: So if you can.
Speaker 3: Find that that that paper that John Adams dug up
Speaker 3: great research on part it's called the Jet Proposion Laboratory
Speaker 3: in Southern California, but Peter Jay Westwick and I would
Speaker 3: imagine it can be found online. But but yeah, you're
Speaker 3: absolutely right. And that's why even now we see I
Speaker 3: can't remember who I mentioned this too, but I think
Speaker 3: I added it to my book right before the Yeah,
Speaker 3: I did, right before I had to finish the sidebars. Well,
Speaker 3: James Cameron is on the board of NASA's Mars project,
Speaker 3: not just as some camera guy, but as an advisor. Now,
Speaker 3: James Cameron is not an astronaut. Well, we all know
Speaker 3: what James Cameron does. He makes movies, so yes, I
Speaker 3: think that's pretty telling.
Speaker 2: He sinks Titanics and he creates h you know, well
Speaker 2: CGI stuff and all that.
Speaker 3: So he's also a big promoter of aliens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which again again you're getting into some sort of
Speaker 2: there's a crossover blending of well of you know, of
Speaker 2: these supposed governmental the national security bureaucracies and and well
Speaker 2: you could say either entertainment or propaganda or some sort
Speaker 2: of you know, psychological operation.
Speaker 3: Going on there. Mm hmmm uh.
Speaker 2: And if you talk about the tie in the links here,
Speaker 2: I think was it back in the early two thousands
Speaker 2: when NASA admitted or claimed that it lost all the
Speaker 2: original footage of the moon landing, the high quality footage,
Speaker 2: And was it because of Ron Howard was trying to
Speaker 2: do a high depth anniversary of the moonshot or something,
Speaker 2: and that's when they said they don't have it anymore.
Speaker 2: He tried to get ahold of the high quality footage.
Speaker 2: If I don't know if I have that.
Speaker 3: Writer or not, well, I think there was some connection
Speaker 3: to that movie he did to Paula. And that movie
Speaker 3: is based on the movie that NASA told everybody because
Speaker 3: if that movie is termed, well, by the way, it's
Speaker 3: really boring. But it's supposed to be this, you know,
Speaker 3: everybody on the edge of their seats waiting to see
Speaker 3: if these astronauts can get back.
Speaker 4: And you stop and.
Speaker 3: Think about it, and you realize, oh, this is a
Speaker 3: completely you know, a movie script.
Speaker 2: Even the movie is about. However, it's kind of by night.
Speaker 2: By the spring of nineteen seventy, people aren't or bored
Speaker 2: with the with the with the Apollo program.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, That's a great point that Dave Gallen makes
Speaker 3: in his book, is that it had to keep kind
Speaker 3: of upping the ante and making the stuff a little
Speaker 3: more sensational because people were kind of like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by seventy two, they're playing golf on the moon.
Speaker 3: Right, which I pointed out I think is the most
Speaker 3: laughable preposterous. I thought we were supposed to be worried
Speaker 3: about danger and life and death, and but no, we're
Speaker 3: such badasses that we play golf on the moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a doom buggy by the way, So yeah.
Speaker 3: How'd they get there? Right? Page eight ninety four and
Speaker 3: eight ninety five outlined the very thing we're talking about
Speaker 3: quickly says the Atomic Energy Commission functioned as it function
Speaker 3: was a disappointment to the scientists because they sought freedom
Speaker 3: from military influence, reduced emphasis of military uses of nuclear fission,
Speaker 3: free dissemination of theoretical research. They failed on all these points.
Speaker 3: The AEC operated largely in terms of weapons research and production,
Speaker 3: and remained extravagantly secret even on all these theoretical matters.
Speaker 3: And because of the scientific ignorance of most of the
Speaker 3: people running it, the commissioners, it was inevitably dominated by
Speaker 3: its Scientific Advisory Committee. Of this is Quigley's own quote,
Speaker 3: official scientists. So he's saying what I was saying earlier.
Speaker 3: Then that's page eight ninety four, and then he talks
Speaker 3: about Bernard Barut setting up the plan for the UN
Speaker 3: Security Council. Now we know as well. I think the
Speaker 3: Collins brothers have written on this to the aq con.
Speaker 2: Network super weapon article.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is connected to the CIA.
Speaker 3: And I did some research on my own a few
Speaker 3: years ago on that, and you start to realize, oh,
Speaker 3: this is all kind of run by Western intelligence. What
Speaker 3: exactly it is, I'm not positive, but it starts to
Speaker 3: look like the same means and methods by which black
Speaker 3: market arms and drugs are run. So I'm just throwing
Speaker 3: ideas out here.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they managed to create a dialectic to well
Speaker 2: to get money, I guess, to get to you to
Speaker 2: able to collect proceeds from briberries, all types of illegal
Speaker 2: arms dealing. There's tons of money involved in that, right
Speaker 2: you know. And we got a glimpse into that from
Speaker 2: our n contra. Yeah you know. And that the private networks,
Speaker 2: right that come from that, like Ted Shackley, Cleins and
Speaker 2: Ed Wilson in the late seventies early eighties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we got a glimpse as well in the
Speaker 3: last couple of years with the big banks being outed
Speaker 3: as laundering Mexican cartail drug money m HM.
Speaker 2: And just recently HSBC I think paid at one point
Speaker 2: dollars fine. Of course they probably made a hundred billion
Speaker 2: doing it, but.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, yeah, and then who they pay
Speaker 3: it to?
Speaker 2: That's another thing is you hear reports of these fines
Speaker 2: and no one ever really fought does a fault? Was
Speaker 2: thatthing ever paid?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And if it was, who did it go to?
Speaker 5: Exactly?
Speaker 3: But one thing, you go ahead.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you're about to make a point.
Speaker 3: Sorry about the sneeze the You're gonna have to edit this.
Speaker 2: I guess there you go.
Speaker 3: What were we talking about?
Speaker 2: UH?
Speaker 3: Nukes networks?
Speaker 4: Let's see here.
Speaker 3: So he jumps from that Atomic Energy Commission and all
Speaker 3: that straight into the the UH it's subject of cold
Speaker 3: war and nuclear rivalry, and then stalinm Yeah, and this
Speaker 3: is kind of these cold war war games that are
Speaker 3: played out and the Marshall plan is rejected. This is
Speaker 3: where he says the nineteen forty seven is the beginning
Speaker 3: of the Cold war, and Germany is of course split
Speaker 3: in half, East and West Germany. I want to point
Speaker 3: out too that the East German flag is a Masonic
Speaker 3: compass for those that don't know, just a coincidence, just
Speaker 3: a coincidence, right, just supposed to represent engineering. I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Now the Germans are you know of engineering?
Speaker 3: Also not present in Quigley is the aid to malt
Speaker 3: So And that might be because even though you can
Speaker 3: probably find that in books prior to this time, that
Speaker 3: wasn't declassified by the CAA until you know, fourteen thirteen,
Speaker 3: forty years ago.
Speaker 2: It was suspected because they're people who claim that people
Speaker 2: like Marshall had sold China out and lost China to
Speaker 2: the communists. And there was obviously evidence of a communist
Speaker 2: conspiracy inside of the US government, which goes back to
Speaker 2: McCarthyism and how people had identified, uh, you know, a
Speaker 2: group working against the perceived interests of the United States
Speaker 2: and they immediately thought they were communists. But really, as
Speaker 2: you point out, they weren't communists. They're well, they were,
Speaker 2: but that's only one level. A higher level. These people
Speaker 2: were being controlled yeah, by you know, mal was a communist, right,
Speaker 2: but Mao was a communist supported by the West.
Speaker 3: And that's why quickly makes fun of the Birchers and
Speaker 3: the right wingers and the nationalists is he thinks, he says,
Speaker 3: more or less, you're all backwards and redneck and stupid,
Speaker 3: and you couldn't figure out who's behind the Institute for
Speaker 3: Pacific Relations and who's behind the Rockabeller Foundation and all
Speaker 3: this stuff. Right, So then we get this expansion on
Speaker 3: the part of the US of the Truman doctrine, which
Speaker 3: is the idea of containment, and this is aid to
Speaker 3: the NATS to control them, which we still live under now.
Speaker 3: Obviously the right we Israel, Columbia, Egypt. These are the
Speaker 3: top beneficiaries of the USAID that we know. And this
Speaker 3: goes back.
Speaker 4: To the Marshall Plan.
Speaker 3: And again that's what those who believe that the degree
Speaker 3: of reality to the Cold War on the part of
Speaker 3: Stalin dates from the period, as I said, of the
Speaker 3: rejection of the Marshall Plan aid. But this is precisely
Speaker 3: nineteen forty seven is crucial because this is where we
Speaker 3: at the rise of the security state and the intelligence
Speaker 3: state of apparatus the NSSA and National Security Act, and
Speaker 3: then the creation of the CIA and then the creation
Speaker 3: of the NSSA in National Security Agency. So this is
Speaker 3: where we get Cold War spy culture right from this
Speaker 3: whole apparatus. And I want to add that the fiction
Speaker 3: was a big part of that. In fact, John Adams
Speaker 3: also dug up a very interesting essay I can't remember
Speaker 3: the title of it. He found it at c i
Speaker 3: A dot gov and it was on the relationship between
Speaker 3: spy fiction and real spy stuff. And the article is
Speaker 3: basically saying that a lot of the stories that you
Speaker 3: hear about spies are are fictional, and then the fiction
Speaker 3: plays into giving everybody the perception of there being moles
Speaker 3: everywhere and all this. Now, that doesn't mean there are
Speaker 3: no moles, and it doesn't mean that there aren't real
Speaker 3: situations where people you know, actually engage.
Speaker 2: In chates the meme. Yeah, right, and this is why
Speaker 2: you know people like well, you know, people like the
Speaker 2: James Bond novels, right exactly, and you know, and uh,
Speaker 2: also what's his name? Howard Hunt, absolutely a novelist. And
Speaker 2: there's also Womouf Buckley scalling Bone, say Wim Buckley with
Speaker 2: with Blackford Oaks his character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, William Somerset and Malcolm you know he wrote, Yeah,
Speaker 3: spy novels based on his stuff, but.
Speaker 2: All the all the best spy novels are like actual
Speaker 2: spies exactly. Yeah, you made the point regarding you know,
Speaker 2: what's his name, the bomb guy who the guy who
Speaker 2: wrote the Bond novels, flem Ian Fleming.
Speaker 3: I mean his pedigree, Oh yeah, I mean it's total cyops,
Speaker 3: total friends with all the banking elite, you know, and.
Speaker 2: The predictive pro revelations in the Bond novels regarding in
Speaker 2: the true nature of the of the international elite, and
Speaker 2: you know how.
Speaker 3: It absolutely.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say that the controversial I don't
Speaker 3: know what you would know a lot about this field
Speaker 3: the question of the American Communist Party, and that basically
Speaker 3: dwindling from Quickly says seventy five thousand and nineteen forty
Speaker 3: five and fell down to three thousand by nineteen sixty.
Speaker 3: So we're still being told in nineteen sixty, fifty nine
Speaker 3: to sixty of the threat of all the commedis. But
Speaker 3: according to Quickly, by nineteen sixty there were only three
Speaker 3: thousand members of the Communist Party. But I guess they
Speaker 3: argument would be all they're all hidden, secret communists.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, moles and you know, fit columnists.
Speaker 3: But the way they achieved all this was not a
Speaker 3: secret party. It was the gradual alteration of the culture.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean, obviously the cultural Marxist the gender
Speaker 2: is far more successful than the than the Marxist Leninist
Speaker 2: political model. And even that, I think is is that's
Speaker 2: been controlled at a higher level. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know if the cultural Marxists, people at the Frankft School
Speaker 2: who are largely Jewish are aware that maybe they're being
Speaker 2: utilized you know by you know, by you know, by
Speaker 2: the by the Atlantis, but the powers. But that's a
Speaker 2: part of it. That's like maybe they get goes back
Speaker 2: to the Russian Revolution, right, it appears that the Anglo
Speaker 2: the Atlantis scheme against Russia, you know, with the be
Speaker 2: Kinder doctrine, how they utilize a lot of Jews because
Speaker 2: they have a they have a gripe against Russia, and
Speaker 2: so this ethnic group can be very useful, you know,
Speaker 2: to them. It's particularly if they're finding people like Untemayer
Speaker 2: and Jacob Schiff and the Wahlberg and things like that. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know whose brother Max was of course was a
Speaker 2: German financier Max Warburg. Yeah. So, And of course that's
Speaker 2: an interesting quote by his son in the Senate in
Speaker 2: the nineteen nineteen fifty where he he's testifying for the
Speaker 2: Senate and he says, I think, yeah, here it is
Speaker 2: February seventeen, nineteen fifty, James Paul Wahlberg confident declared to the
Speaker 2: United States Senate, we should have world government, whether or
Speaker 2: not we like it. The only question is whether world
Speaker 2: government will be achieved by conquest or consent. H That's
Speaker 2: because he was the son of Paul Moritz Wahlberg and
Speaker 2: the nephew of both Felix Wahlberg and Jacob Schiff, both
Speaker 2: associated with kun Loeban Company Wall Street, and this was
Speaker 2: sort of like the Jewish faction, you know, which played
Speaker 2: a big part in America's entry to the war, because
Speaker 2: that factors into the Zionis project and the ball for Declaration,
Speaker 2: you know, so exactly.
Speaker 3: And also to tie it back into Hollywood, the anti communists,
Speaker 3: the Red Threat, the rise of the Hollywood Ten and
Speaker 3: the investigations into Hollywood and the idea that the screenwriters
Speaker 3: were all going to write propaganda into the films that
Speaker 3: would alter the entire perspective of America. Now, some of
Speaker 3: them were, but the idea that this was the real threat,
Speaker 3: I think is again exaggerated. And I wonder if some
Speaker 3: of these people weren't playing along with it. I don't
Speaker 3: have any proof of that, but I read a couple
Speaker 3: of books actually that dealt just with the subject of
Speaker 3: the Hollywood ten. And now I'm not saying all these
Speaker 3: Hollywood liberal types. Obviously they probably did believe in it,
Speaker 3: but is it really the threat that the FBI was
Speaker 3: saying it was? And they, again, they don't mind everybody
Speaker 3: thinking that the threat is these moles everywhere and all
Speaker 3: these people in Hollywood, as long as you don't ever
Speaker 3: look at Wall Street and the Institute for Pacific Relations
Speaker 3: or the Rockefeller Foundation or the Ford Foundation, or the
Speaker 3: groups that actually were promoting even back then, beginning to
Speaker 3: really promote what people call communism or socialism or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then not investigating perhaps why is Time Life
Speaker 2: working with the SAG drug culture?
Speaker 3: You know, yes, you know, why is abstract art being
Speaker 3: promoted by these elites? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why is Abby Rockefeller promoting feminism and modern art?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Is this the real degradation or you know, the LSD
Speaker 2: experiments and things like that we don't get we don't
Speaker 2: get those hearing until the seventies, and that's pretty much
Speaker 2: a limited hangout. But there's no real no you know,
Speaker 2: so there's no real showdown like it was with the
Speaker 2: Hollywood Ten, which is sort of a a cartoonist. Yeah,
Speaker 2: very very theatrical, let's just say, which is not surprising
Speaker 2: as the Hollywood Ten is very theatrical, right, and it's
Speaker 2: played up because now that these people are become martyrs
Speaker 2: because you Woody Allen makes movies about them and they
Speaker 2: become heroes, you know, martyrs for free speech. And you know, uh,
Speaker 2: the same faction that was so vihetmamely defended free speech
Speaker 2: in the fifties and sixties and now are big advocates
Speaker 2: of political correctness. You know, they're the ones they're they're
Speaker 2: the linguistic fascists to want to contra you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the total flip contradiction.
Speaker 2: Yeah there, Well, I do you mentioned the military industrial
Speaker 2: complex and you mentioned that he begins writing about it
Speaker 2: on nine to eleven, page nine to eleven, any any
Speaker 2: numerological significance. I had to laugh when I hear that
Speaker 2: America Industrial Complex on page nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: Well, probably an unintended reference there, but yeah, that is
Speaker 3: the rise of the security state, and obviously the securities,
Speaker 3: the elements of the security state in terms of at
Speaker 3: least the private side of it, would play a big
Speaker 3: role in nine to eleven, I would say, And.
Speaker 2: You also mentioned I think you've referred to I'm recording
Speaker 2: in your lecture referred to Cold War sort of a satire, Uh,
Speaker 2: the whole thing. No, just I forget reference, but I
Speaker 2: thought it was interesting because the Cold War itself is
Speaker 2: a strategy of tension. It's designed to raise fears anxiety
Speaker 2: in order to justify the huge expenditures the National security State,
Speaker 2: the cryptocracy, National Security Act, the deep state. And what's
Speaker 2: one thing that's funny about that is, Chris we have
Speaker 2: in the in the book the Report from Iron Mountain,
Speaker 2: which has been written off as a satire. Well, that's
Speaker 2: interesting because we know what we know about satire is
Speaker 2: that it's a way of telling the truth about getting killed. Right.
Speaker 3: Well, Doctor Strangelove is yeah, a big example of that
Speaker 3: because it tells the truth in a way about the
Speaker 3: Rand Corporation and Curtis Lame and these these different stories
Speaker 3: and these tales and the fake atomic spies is mentioned
Speaker 3: on the nine to twenty right around the same.
Speaker 2: Section, So you're refirmed like some of these Esponazic cases
Speaker 2: are sort of a satire. If I'm remembering that correct.
Speaker 3: I may have said that exactly.
Speaker 2: But well, I thought it was used was a useful
Speaker 2: description because well, let's first talk about the report Marie Mountain.
Speaker 2: It was published in ninety sixty seven by dial Press,
Speaker 2: and the book claimed that a special study group of
Speaker 2: fifty men whose identities were secret met and they came
Speaker 2: to the conclusion that war was necessary in order to
Speaker 2: maintain power, to maintain social cohesion. And some said, well,
Speaker 2: this is just a joke. Yeah, but it may be
Speaker 2: a joke, but it's but it's reality because if you
Speaker 2: look at NSC sixty eight and then thinking behind with
Speaker 2: with those people among the national security upper echelons of
Speaker 2: that security state, this is exactly what they think.
Speaker 3: Yes, but I think I was likening it too. If
Speaker 3: I recall Doctor Strangelove, And there's a quote on page
Speaker 3: nine twenty three, the red Conspiracy section, where Quigley says
Speaker 3: that a lot of the people who were see he
Speaker 3: says much of this evidence came from ex communists such
Speaker 3: as Elizabeth Bentley, Louis Baden's, Whittaker Chambers, and John Lautner
Speaker 3: and others. All these undoubtedly were ex communists and equally
Speaker 3: undoubtedly revealed much valuable information about Communists conspiracies and roused
Speaker 3: the American public to the danger. But it was also
Speaker 3: true that it is equally true that the first three
Speaker 3: names mentioned are known because they dramatized, distorted, and manipulated
Speaker 3: the evidence for their own purposes. So the stories get
Speaker 3: hyped up. And he says us on that page and
Speaker 3: the three pages prior to that three and if you
Speaker 3: think about it, to set up all the surveillance state,
Speaker 3: which the whole surveillance NSA Internet stuff that we have
Speaker 3: now comes out of this, you need this giant threat,
Speaker 3: so you need they want the I mean, the McCarthy
Speaker 3: even plays his role to frighten everyone in the same
Speaker 3: way that nowadays neo cons get on and they talk
Speaker 3: about al qata and nisis right, I should just gonna
Speaker 3: get us.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, so yeah, and so yeah, because if you
Speaker 2: look at even today's surveillance state, which is whether it's
Speaker 2: the Internet, the digital communications, all these things, the infrastructure
Speaker 2: for this was established during the culture which developed that
Speaker 2: of I guess DARPA.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, harp that darn right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And of course the National Security Agency, which no
Speaker 2: one really knew existed or at least most people born
Speaker 2: to work until about the late eighties or something, right,
Speaker 2: and they were conducting mass sweeping surveillance, you know, since
Speaker 2: the fifties, right with telegrams and telephones. And I think
Speaker 2: you suggested your talk that even before the age of
Speaker 2: digital communications, they had somehow created a way to conduct
Speaker 2: mass surveillance on telephone lines.
Speaker 3: Yes, I believe that's mentioned in John Marx's book, that
Speaker 3: they had the ability to do that a long time ago.
Speaker 3: I think James Bamford mentions it in his nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: three Puzzle Palace book that surveillance of telephones has existed
Speaker 3: almost as long as telephones, obviously depending on the type
Speaker 3: of recording devices. But you can still listen in even
Speaker 3: if you didn't have a fontograph or whatever and get
Speaker 3: the information, according to Bamford. Yeah. Now, another curious element
Speaker 3: is that the Irackefeller Project mentioned on Pay nine, twenty six,
Speaker 3: to send a group of American nuclear scientists to work
Speaker 3: with Russian nuclear scientists. Yeah, wouldn't that be a little
Speaker 3: dangerous to do? I mean, might we might if the
Speaker 3: nuke story is real, what might some of these Russian
Speaker 3: scientists get our nuke secrets?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But no, according to Quigley, that's now, that's just part
Speaker 3: of it, part of the And the way he paints
Speaker 3: this is it's like, well, you know, we have this
Speaker 3: Cold war thing going on, but you know a lot
Speaker 3: of people were enlightened and they understood the modern.
Speaker 4: Liberal world and that.
Speaker 3: For the sake of science and education, we needed to
Speaker 3: get past these old modes of understanding of you know,
Speaker 3: opposition and bad guy good guy. And that's what he
Speaker 3: says about the space program is that it's going to
Speaker 3: catapult America into a new age of understanding. He says,
Speaker 3: primarily this is the quick as argument through education. So
Speaker 3: he says the biggest impact of the space program would
Speaker 3: be in American education.
Speaker 4: Interesting, but.
Speaker 3: I think the crucial part is the admission. Probably the
Speaker 3: most important this probably most important chapter in the whole book,
Speaker 3: is this section of the nuclear rivalry, because he says,
Speaker 3: the people who were bitching the McCarthy's, the anti communists,
Speaker 3: they didn't understand the China lobby and the Institute for
Speaker 3: Pacific Relations, and the New York Times, the Herald, Tribunes
Speaker 3: and all these liberal weeklies, he says, and all of
Speaker 3: these academics at Harvard and all these places, they were
Speaker 3: not necessarily committed communists, many of them were. They really
Speaker 3: believed the ideology. But he says, all you had to
Speaker 3: do is look at who was behind it, and that's
Speaker 3: JP Morgan, Chase, the bankers, That's who was running things
Speaker 3: at these Ivy League universities. That's where they're getting the
Speaker 3: money and.
Speaker 2: The infiltration of these organizations or patronage of these organizations, right,
Speaker 2: the exact bankers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rockefellers, the Melons, the Dukes, the Carnegie and the
Speaker 3: key page is nine thirty eighty nine, and that's where
Speaker 3: he says that they realized that the left, he says,
Speaker 3: was a much better weapon than controlling the conservatives, a
Speaker 3: much better weapon for getting their plans through. And he
Speaker 3: also mentions, of course, as I said Walter Liptman, here
Speaker 3: in this chapter, the people, the guys out of Cambridge,
Speaker 3: William Whitney Foundation. I mean, there's just a whole list
Speaker 3: of all these you can keep going the liberal progressive.
Speaker 2: Well, Littmann was the one who wrote manufacturing Consent. I think,
Speaker 2: hello Internet, So where were we Jay?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was just given an example character of one
Speaker 3: of these operatives by the character by the name of
Speaker 3: William Strait, and it says that straight was in no
Speaker 3: sense a liberal or a progressive, but was indeed a
Speaker 3: typical international banker, and that the New Republic magazine was
Speaker 3: simply a medium for advancing designs of the international bankers,
Speaker 3: most notably to blunt isolationists and anti British sentiments. And
Speaker 3: it's even prevalent Amongst American progressives, while providing them with
Speaker 3: a vehicle for expressing their views in art, literature, music.
Speaker 3: So they had a vent, right, But the whole magazine
Speaker 3: was controlled by the international banker who was part of
Speaker 3: the London establishment.
Speaker 2: And this would be formalized like with the SAA later
Speaker 2: on when they created the Congress for Cultural Freedom right
Speaker 2: and many other magazines magazines like well on the right
Speaker 2: there is National Review, you know, who's found of course
Speaker 2: with Woma Buckley, who we mentioned, scolland bone say, who
Speaker 2: actually worked for Howard Hunt in Mexico.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's why the next page she describes the
Speaker 3: Whitney Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, and he talks about Nelson
Speaker 3: Rockefeller being in charge of USA propaganda in Latin America
Speaker 3: for the c I A. Pearl Buck is another one
Speaker 3: of these characters, all the all these characters.
Speaker 2: So often what what is she image of China she
Speaker 2: promoting with her book? Of course she also wins the
Speaker 2: Nobel Prize.
Speaker 3: She is one of the one of the uh, one
Speaker 3: of the communists who was part of the most of these,
Speaker 3: like pearl Buck, Professor Fairbrank of Harvard and professors Lautre
Speaker 3: and Roe of Yale, where children of relatives who have
Speaker 3: been concerned with China as quote missionaries and that's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the missionaries trained. Now right, this is the Yeah, he.
Speaker 3: Talks about the I p R communists, that is the
Speaker 3: Institute for Pacific Relations and this is just a Rockefeller front.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's yeah. And you know it was it the
Speaker 2: Union Theological Seminary who had the operations in China as
Speaker 2: rock Fellers outfit.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, Union was started by the rock Fillers and
Speaker 3: that's who they were, big promoters of liberalism and communism,
Speaker 3: excuse me, ecumunism, liberalism and humunism in churches was a
Speaker 3: union seminary. I know somebody who went there. We had
Speaker 3: a big argument one time over that that person is,
Speaker 3: by the way, uh minister in the pc U s A.
Speaker 3: Which is a perfect example of that denomination completely corrupted
Speaker 3: by the Rockefellers that we're talking about. I mean to
Speaker 3: the point of, you know, gay priests, gay marriage in
Speaker 3: the churches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is again which is probably some sort of
Speaker 2: deep state intel operation, absolutely, you know, promoting that stuff.
Speaker 2: Of course, I think I've mentioned other interviews. I think
Speaker 2: you mentioned that that whole agenda, you know, you can
Speaker 2: trace it back to the Foundation's Rockefellers and whether it's
Speaker 2: you know, Night sixty nine Planned Parenthood talking about promoting homosexuality,
Speaker 2: or the start of the riots, and because the whole
Speaker 2: media promotion of it all, yes, you know all its
Speaker 2: all coordinated, you know, as you see today with all
Speaker 2: the nonsense stuff that you talked about.
Speaker 3: Now, one family you don't hear a lot about is
Speaker 3: the Whitney family. And the Whitney family was deeply involved
Speaker 3: in controlling airlines, particularly Pan American. And now I've mentioned before,
Speaker 3: you know the role of Howard Hughes and characters like that.
Speaker 3: But we can't forget these other families, and the Witney family.
Speaker 3: According to Quigley, uh was important in you know, funding
Speaker 3: a lot of these these foundations and these these liberal movements.
Speaker 3: Vanderbilt of course played to it. Everybody probably has some
Speaker 3: idea now about Anderson Cooper right being the heir to
Speaker 3: the Peabody family plays into this. I was actually when
Speaker 3: I met Chris Kendall from Hoastbusters a couple of weekends
Speaker 3: ago down in Memphis. He was in the area. I
Speaker 3: met him in Memphis, and we actually stopped into the
Speaker 3: Peabody Hotel and as I understand, that's the same Peabodies
Speaker 3: that quickly quickly that's the luxury hotel in Memphis. But
Speaker 3: I mentioned the airlines because that's a big part of
Speaker 3: the control system and people overlook that. But when Patrick
Speaker 3: was breaking a lot of good stories in relationship to
Speaker 3: the MH seventeen and all that plain nonsense that we
Speaker 3: were hearing last year and the year before, I was
Speaker 3: talking about, you know, you can find a lot of
Speaker 3: interesting history of the CIA connections to airlines. And there's
Speaker 3: even a movie right with the mel Gibson Robert down
Speaker 3: Junior called Air America, which is about the CIA airlines
Speaker 3: or America traffic drugs, and that's even in the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's what there's civil air transport which became here
Speaker 2: America I think, right, And there's.
Speaker 3: Evergreen Airlines with Evergreens, yeah, which was the CIA airline.
Speaker 2: Alaska Airline I think, or like that something that with
Speaker 2: Alaska name to it or something if I get that right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, transportation communication and you mentioned the Whitneys, and
Speaker 2: the Whitneys that's the Boston Brahmin family traces its fortune
Speaker 2: back to the opium trade. Correct, and the Clipperships.
Speaker 3: Would assume so, but I didn't know that. Yeah, a
Speaker 3: lot of these families so, as you've said many times,
Speaker 3: go back to that interesting too. Nine forty six, the
Speaker 3: unions were all just bought off Quickly says.
Speaker 2: There were, Yeah, yeah, they were controlled in the now
Speaker 2: was that was that done in conjunction with organized crime?
Speaker 3: Quickly says? One of these was a communist front, Trade
Speaker 3: Union Services Incorporated of New York, which in nineteen forty
Speaker 3: six published fifteen trade union papers for all the cf
Speaker 3: CIO unions. This was a people thought communists, but it
Speaker 3: was actually run by the Emphasy for Pacific Relations.
Speaker 2: So there you go controlled opposition again. Yeah, and because
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you need someone to
Speaker 2: pay for the pay for your groceries and keep the
Speaker 2: lights on. Right, Yeah, that's very easy to dangle check
Speaker 2: in front of someone tell them to do certain things.
Speaker 3: And they did eat. And that's why Quickly says on
Speaker 3: page nine forty eight that it was not communists, and
Speaker 3: he says the radical right were all stupid and they
Speaker 3: didn't understand it.
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't have access to the papers and the CFO.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, he's they were actually the right ones.
Speaker 3: Quickly is the.
Speaker 2: Well he says that he says, but he's really accusing.
Speaker 2: They're they're identifying a threat that it is not identifying
Speaker 2: the culprit is. But they at least they're perceptive, right,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he doesn't.
Speaker 3: He calls them backwards and redneck and well he but
Speaker 3: at least if at least they.
Speaker 4: Figured part of it out. That's what I said.
Speaker 2: I talk and you provide that quote, which is on
Speaker 2: what page nine to fifty. Whereas there does exist and
Speaker 2: has assisted for a generation, the International Angle File Network,
Speaker 2: which operates to some extent in the way the radical
Speaker 2: right believes the communists act. In fact, this network, which
Speaker 2: is we may identify as the Roundtable Groups, has no
Speaker 2: version of cooperating with communists. So you know, I'm sorry
Speaker 2: if I not, I'm a little slow off the mark,
Speaker 2: but or any other group, and frequently does I know
Speaker 2: of these operations of this network because I have studied
Speaker 2: it for twenty years I was permitted for two years
Speaker 2: in the early nineteen sixties to examine its papers and
Speaker 2: secret records. Well, I'm sorry, not everyone had that access.
Speaker 3: Page well, page nine to nine fifty six is basically
Speaker 3: the summer of the entire book. Yeah, and all the
Speaker 3: usual suspects, Cecil Roads, Williams Stead, Walter Lippmann, Beer Lamont,
Speaker 3: all these characters.
Speaker 2: And Roads Masters. Roads was funded by the Rothschilds.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's in the Cecil Rose.
Speaker 2: Barbercave, which appeared the roth Child's family appeared to have
Speaker 2: gotten largely controlled the British state by the by the
Speaker 2: twentieth century. It does seem so, yeah, And it's interesting
Speaker 2: because there's also Churchill who his father Witch Church's father
Speaker 2: had gone into debt with a lot of Jewish creditors,
Speaker 2: and it was Richard Churchill who had a very expensive
Speaker 2: lifestyle far beyond his means, and it was his turn
Speaker 2: against Hitler, which can be dated to his his financial
Speaker 2: problems going away. So some people think it was his
Speaker 2: his switch around nineteen thirty five thirty six to post Hitler.
Speaker 2: He was bought off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's this power structure the radical right
Speaker 3: in the US has been attacking for years in the
Speaker 3: belief that they're attacking communism. This is particularly true when
Speaker 3: these attacks are directed at Harvard Socialism or the left
Speaker 3: wing newspapers. He misdirected attacks did much to confuse the
Speaker 3: American people from nineteen forty eight to fifty five. And
Speaker 3: he goes on to say because the people running it
Speaker 3: were all the people that he listed.
Speaker 2: And what exposure to this is this is something that
Speaker 2: not maybe well heard about, but it was written about.
Speaker 2: Was the Norman Dodd and the Risk Community investigations, which
Speaker 2: there you go. Yeah, and with Katherin Casey exposed with
Speaker 2: the with the foundations. Just I think this involved the
Speaker 2: Rockfeller and the particularly the Carnegie Foundation and their plan
Speaker 2: which she uncovered, their plan to subject the country to
Speaker 2: various shocks and traumas, usually through war, to transform the
Speaker 2: country to collectivize it, and later on to ultimately to
Speaker 2: fuse it with the communist block.
Speaker 4: That was the plan exactly.
Speaker 3: Now. The next section is the atomics section, and the
Speaker 3: it's page of nine sixty I just had to hear, yeah,
Speaker 3: nine sixty two, where he says most many of the
Speaker 3: scientists had doubts about the possibility of whether this could
Speaker 3: be done, and he goes on to talk about the
Speaker 3: psychological operation aspects of it. It was.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of tales, a lot of science fiction.
Speaker 3: I think it's John and Chris brought me to my attention.
Speaker 3: The first proposal of this is actually from HD Wells.
Speaker 3: He has this story about the creation of this atomic
Speaker 3: bomb that can you know, basically blow up the planet
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's his term, isn't it atomics? Yeah, so a science
Speaker 2: fiction writer came up with this idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, one thing I noticed, and I mentioned the talk.
Speaker 3: The talk was, for example, how now maybe it's just
Speaker 3: because I'm not trained in higher level physics, but how
Speaker 3: does one measure one hundred million degrees exactly.
Speaker 2: A thermometer? Well, that's hot, that's gonna be like one
Speaker 2: hundred million degrees man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because now see my understanding is that unless you
Speaker 3: made it out of steel beams like the World Trade Center,
Speaker 3: the thermometer, the thermometer might melt.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have these boastful claims because you're not a scientist.
Speaker 2: You're not a scientist. Your questions aren't valid. Well, no,
Speaker 2: just I'm okay, I'm farmer Brown explained to the way
Speaker 2: that makes sense, and they can't. And yeah, just like
Speaker 2: the photo of the films you see is how does
Speaker 2: the camera survive the explosion?
Speaker 3: Now another question too, the explosions on that he mentions
Speaker 3: on nine to sixty six. Bravo the hell bomb, quickly says.
Speaker 3: The only person to witness this and tell us about
Speaker 3: it is a journalist for the New York Times named
Speaker 3: William Lawrence. So we just have to go by William Lawrence.
Speaker 3: And he later wrote book There's Letter, a book later
Speaker 3: written called The Hell Bomb. And this is what we're
Speaker 3: supposed to go by.
Speaker 2: It's rather thin gruel. I guess you could say.
Speaker 3: Lawrence's stories were accepted as true by the ordinary, well
Speaker 3: informed public, except not by scientists. Lawrence the only newspaper
Speaker 3: reporter allowed to see the test at Almagordo or the
Speaker 3: nuclear exposure on Japan wrote the book on the h
Speaker 3: bomb called the Hell Bomb in nineteen fifty That's an
Speaker 3: important quote. Yeah, the only journalists allowed to see these events?
Speaker 2: Why journalist?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And why the most notorious lying entity The New York Times.
Speaker 2: All the news that's all the news that's fit to print,
Speaker 2: the print allowed for you to read.
Speaker 3: And then there's more mentions of tales. Shortly after the
Speaker 3: Bravo blast at Bikini, a told a small Japanese fishing
Speaker 3: boat called the Lucky Dragon is the basis for the
Speaker 3: radioactive fallout of the test of Bikini Atoll. And this
Speaker 3: comes from I'm not joking, the story published in Japanese
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty four. Now, who in the who in
Speaker 3: the world could track that down?
Speaker 2: Yeah, source for that anyway.
Speaker 3: So's you get a bunch of mentions of that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 2: And then you know, you mentioned Chris We've mentioned this before,
Speaker 2: is the these films were developed to look at Mountain
Speaker 2: and Laura canaan it which is a oh yeah, top
Speaker 2: ast of the art Hollywood you know, special effects studio,
Speaker 2: you know, run by the Air Force.
Speaker 3: With accessed by top Hollywood heads and so forth. So
Speaker 3: then he goes on to talk about important characters in
Speaker 3: the deep state apparatus and how many of them would
Speaker 3: be university heads. Right, so we can never overlook the
Speaker 3: academic aspect of the connection to the deep state and
Speaker 3: the intelligence agencies. Thomas Watson, International Business Machines, IBM, Milton Eisenhower.
Speaker 3: And these are the people Dean Atchison. The reason this
Speaker 3: is important is that these are the people who are
Speaker 3: revolving door. They go into the the government roles in
Speaker 3: the Truman administration.
Speaker 4: And this is a big part of what Dulles is behind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead. Well it's interesting because I had a
Speaker 2: talk with James Pearloff, Yeah, regarding the Korean and Vietnam
Speaker 2: wars and how we got into those things, and you
Speaker 2: mentioned sort of this, you know, this suspicion that the
Speaker 2: governments being infiltrated by communists and these cold warriors like
Speaker 2: Dean Ashison. But one is the Dean Atchison. Uh you
Speaker 2: know this Secretary of State uh for for Truman right
Speaker 2: right page one. Yeah. He uh. He was as a
Speaker 2: young attorney, he represented the Soviet interest in America. He
Speaker 2: was hired by the Soviet Union. I guess they picked
Speaker 2: his name out of a phone booker.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And well while he was so he was he was
Speaker 2: he was an attorney for the for the Soviet Interest in
Speaker 2: America in the thirties, and he was, of course he
Speaker 2: was Truman Secretary of State. A lot of these other
Speaker 2: guys like Lachlan Curry, John Stewart Service, all these people's
Speaker 2: had ties to the Commist Party. And Attison's law partner
Speaker 2: was Donald Hiss Algers's brother, uh William Bundy, the father
Speaker 2: in law. I guess McGeorge Bundy was also tied into this,
Speaker 2: into this clique. But all these people that got us,
Speaker 2: the people like Walter Rosstau his father was a Communist.
Speaker 2: All these Cold Warriors and the Kennedy and Johnson administrations
Speaker 2: all had ties back to Communist So that kind of
Speaker 2: goes to your thesis, I think speaking.
Speaker 4: I didn't know any of that.
Speaker 3: And then we have John Foster Dellos previously being a
Speaker 3: literal agent of JP Morgan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it gets in the high finance and Communists
Speaker 2: and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, President Kennedy, this is James Prolist article. President Kennedy.
Speaker 2: Kenny authorized the first combat troops about ten thousand, nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty one on the device of State Department's Walt Rostau,
Speaker 2: who had returned from a fact funding mission to Vietnam.
Speaker 2: Though the media branded Rostar Hawk, his father had been
Speaker 2: a Marxist revolutionary in Russia. To his aunts, belonged to
Speaker 2: the US Communist Party. His brother Eugene Deb's Rostar was
Speaker 2: named after the Socialist Party leader Eugene Debs, and the
Speaker 2: Eisenhower State Department rejected Walt for employment three times as
Speaker 2: a security risk. The Kenny administration only got him got
Speaker 2: him in by firing Auto Tepka. The State Department had
Speaker 2: a security that was a big scandal. Was he blocked
Speaker 2: and then he was fired. So someone with enough juice
Speaker 2: had the head of security State Department fired for not
Speaker 2: bringing in this communist into the State Department. Who got
Speaker 2: us into Vietnam? So communists got us into Vietnam? How
Speaker 2: do you make sense of that? In the Cold War dialectic?
Speaker 3: Hey, here's another connection that that. Dave McGowan pointed out
Speaker 3: that I was kind of surprised at actress Laura dern
Speaker 3: Many David Lynch Films. Yeah, her granddad was the Secretary
Speaker 3: of war in at Skull and Bones.
Speaker 4: I believe too.
Speaker 3: It's called it's a Secretary of War under FDR.
Speaker 2: So that's right because Bruce Dern's godfather was godmother was
Speaker 2: eleanor Roosewelt, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, there you go, that's how that ties in exactly.
Speaker 2: So I mean you get these connections, you know, the
Speaker 2: whole thing with Korea because that's like because that's like
Speaker 2: one world government, new World order stuff like when tanaschis
Speaker 2: and gives a speech nineteen fifty, he says, they create
Speaker 2: outside our defense perimeter, so invade. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, you know, I'm sorry, you're right, George Darn is
Speaker 3: the grandfather of Bruce Darn, great grandfather of Laura.
Speaker 2: Darn, great grand Okay, so you missed the generation. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that's the same thing that gets in. Remember
Speaker 2: that's a whole other issue. But John Adams is the
Speaker 2: whole thing about these celebrities, whether you're you're a singer
Speaker 2: or you're a celebrity, how all these elite connections.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they found some, really, John found some interesting ones
Speaker 3: with what Katy Perry's oil family. Yeah, and then Filey
Speaker 3: Cyrus has an FT has a Federal Reserve banker.
Speaker 2: Billy Ray Cyrus is just like a failed baseball player
Speaker 2: turned singer. But but yeah, I mean that's he gets
Speaker 2: into the they have all these connections. So you know, America,
Speaker 2: isn't this self made police off up a bootstraps meritricious,
Speaker 2: you know, meritocracy society, it's a I mean, yeah, there
Speaker 2: are all these people are you know, they all come from
Speaker 2: these families in connections.
Speaker 3: John or Christal got an article that he posted from
Speaker 3: a historian at Harvard, I think, talking about how many
Speaker 3: of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were actually royalists.
Speaker 2: That's right, there's an art, there's a book I saw that.
Speaker 2: How you know people they wanted the present to be
Speaker 2: as king.
Speaker 3: Yeah we've heard that, but yeah, this guy's revolutionary argument
Speaker 3: was that many of the signers of the declaration, the
Speaker 3: declaration is not against royalty period, but against parliament Parliament. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: that's I don't I don't know enough about yea historic perspective,
Speaker 3: but it's interesting, Well, we know they were.
Speaker 2: Like people like you know, people like yeah Alexander Hamilton.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, so.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Well another element that quickly doesn't mention what
Speaker 3: was really going on, which I thought your interview with
Speaker 3: Chris Milligan was very telling. Was Korean War because Quigley
Speaker 3: does talk briefly about Korean War, but of course, oh
Speaker 3: it's about Commis and all this kind of stuff, no
Speaker 3: mention of drugs. It's just a big part of the
Speaker 3: Korean War.
Speaker 2: So do you mean Vietnam War.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Vietnam War?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was. I think Ed Lansdale went went there
Speaker 2: and kind of uh kicked the French.
Speaker 3: At Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: That's all about kick filling the drug networks, uh in
Speaker 2: Vietnam and uh, that whole thing because that that's out
Speaker 2: of Vietnam. That's how you get the pipeline from heroin
Speaker 2: from Southeast Asia into the United States. You know, is
Speaker 2: that the Golden the Golden Triangles in Afghanistan? Yeah, that area. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But of course that's because the part of the operation,
Speaker 2: the way we worked with the among people, the tribes,
Speaker 2: was we you know, we paid them with with opio
Speaker 2: or heroin or poppy whatever. And then there's a finding
Speaker 2: plant there. There was an old pepsi fat bottling plant
Speaker 2: that was used huh you know for that. Yeah, which
Speaker 2: is funny because of course, when Kennedy's assassinated, Nixon is
Speaker 2: a big convention of bottling company convention into Alas, Texas.
Speaker 2: Of course, one of the bigger policy reversals out of
Speaker 2: the out of his assassination was the escalation of the
Speaker 2: Vietnam War, which opens up the pipeline for drugs. So
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's just a coincidence. But like then,
Speaker 2: these businesses, whether it's fruit or bottling companies with bottling
Speaker 2: back then they you sugar, and that that involves controlling,
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's uh, you know fields in South America,
Speaker 2: you know, things like that.
Speaker 4: Oh, here here's another.
Speaker 3: Well, by the way, I did finally get Douglas Valentine's
Speaker 3: Phoenix Project book. I haven't read it yet, but it
Speaker 3: did come in the mail the other day, but which
Speaker 3: you recommended. Here's a funny statement that that is to
Speaker 3: the point that you were making. A minute ago, Attorney
Speaker 3: General Herbert Brownwell Junior confided to a businessman lunching in
Speaker 3: Chicago that President Truman knew that Harry Dexter White was
Speaker 3: a Russian spy, but promoted him from Assistant Secretary of
Speaker 3: Treasury to the I m F.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make much sense, well, because what they're you
Speaker 2: know what that what what that Brenton Wood system is
Speaker 2: just one more phase of world currency. And I think
Speaker 2: it was JOHMAINA. Keynes, who I guess wanted the bank
Speaker 2: or was the world currency at the time, but they
Speaker 2: realized there's there would be too much opposition politically for it,
Speaker 2: and they'd have to be gradually introduced and we might
Speaker 2: be getting something like the bank or with SDRs or something,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Right right, you know.
Speaker 2: But there was just one phase because the Brenton Wood system,
Speaker 2: with Cherry Dexter Wright apparently was involved in setting up,
Speaker 2: so we had a communist spy setting up the post
Speaker 2: war economic system exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we set the stage for American dominance because it'd
Speaker 2: been thrown the dollar as the visit world reserve currency
Speaker 2: was enabled the deep State to do a whole lot
Speaker 2: around them.
Speaker 3: And then and then Dolls goes and basically gets NATO CTO,
Speaker 3: centro CTO going.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: So here's all your foreign policy, global government right here,
Speaker 3: already already existing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with of course, with the Marshall Plan, there's
Speaker 2: a huge slush fund for operations.
Speaker 3: In your exactly. Yeah. And by the way, that's interesting
Speaker 3: because quickly will mention a few of those, which I
Speaker 3: guess again, because this is nineteen sixty six, he was
Speaker 3: limited in what he could talk about, or maybe what
Speaker 3: he knew about, you know. But he'll mention the nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty three RANKU, and he'll mention Guatemala. But if you
Speaker 3: read Servondo's book, there's dozens of those obviously.
Speaker 2: All over the place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, whole lists of them. And this is
Speaker 3: the great wonder. This is a great, great paragraph here
Speaker 3: where he says that after getting rid of Mosedic, the British,
Speaker 3: the Anglo Irraine Oil Company, the World Petroleum Cartel, the
Speaker 3: American government, and the older Iranian elite led by the
Speaker 3: Shah combined to crush most Adict under the personal direction
Speaker 3: of the Cia. Allen Dallas, brother of John Fosterdellis. This
Speaker 3: was Allen was a former director of Schroeder Bank in
Speaker 3: New York, the old associate of Frank Tyarks and a
Speaker 3: partner in Schroederbank in London, director of the Bank of England,
Speaker 3: as well as Lazar Brothers and the Angler Rain Oil Company.
Speaker 3: It will be recalled that Schroederbank helped arrange Hitler's accession
Speaker 3: to ascension to power in nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 2: Yes, and Chris Dallas is also part, big part of
Speaker 2: the paper Clip operation.
Speaker 3: And that's why, that's what I was gonna say, that's
Speaker 3: why we can connect dollars to that, And that's.
Speaker 2: He's there in Switzerland negotiating with ss Wolf Commander Wolf
Speaker 2: or something, and of course ranging all the gold like
Speaker 2: the Black Eagle Trust and all the loot.
Speaker 3: And there's David Talbot's book, Devil's Chess Board.
Speaker 2: He deals with some of that, and he's there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just recent came out. And one thing you mentioned the book,
Speaker 2: I think that quickly writes about the operation Ajax in Iran,
Speaker 2: the toppling of the Mossadic government is that it was
Speaker 2: the absence of Russian influence in Iran which gave this
Speaker 2: CIA a free hand. This goes idea that without it,
Speaker 2: you know, we got this idea of the SA fighting comments.
Speaker 2: But here is a situation where the government might have
Speaker 2: been stabilized had there been a stronger Soviet presence to
Speaker 2: check the CIA. But that's an interesting part about the
Speaker 2: how To operation is that the c went and hired
Speaker 2: mobs to create riots, uh fake riots, and destabilize the government.
Speaker 3: There we go, bless you yeah, this is not just
Speaker 3: Middle East. But I wanted to mention too. He mentions
Speaker 3: the control of Eurasia, so he hints at the mckinder Doctrine,
Speaker 3: page one, and that he says the two problems of
Speaker 3: this period were the situation the US and Russia and
Speaker 3: whether a new substantial power might grow up on the
Speaker 3: land mass of Eurasia. So that sounds exactly what.
Speaker 2: Exactly now? You also talk about the oil car tells
Speaker 2: this so called seven Sisters, how this is the face
Speaker 2: of the real New World Order ILLUMINAI this is the
Speaker 2: real Illuminati.
Speaker 3: I think they're very high up at the top of it.
Speaker 3: Because he mentions the I forget what page that's on,
Speaker 3: but he says that this cartel controlled ninety percent or
Speaker 3: some some outrageous percentage like that. I have I have
Speaker 3: to find where that is in my notes. I think
Speaker 3: it's somewhere around here. But yeah, some outrageous amount of
Speaker 3: the world's oil reserves of the entire world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's funny the term seven sisters. I was here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of the reserves of the world world's oil, eighty
Speaker 3: eight percent of production, seventy seven percent of refining, and
Speaker 3: seventy percent of tonnage in ocean tankers. And this is
Speaker 3: in nineteen forty nine. By nineteen forty nine, the cartel
Speaker 3: of Anglo Iranian Royal Dust Shell, So Calso, Seccone, Vacuum
Speaker 3: Gulf and Texico.
Speaker 2: And they're all working together. There's no competition. It's a cartel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hence it's a cartel exactly.
Speaker 2: That's the problem there. But they turned Seven Sisters was
Speaker 2: coined by this guy, Enrico Mattei. He was the head
Speaker 2: of the Italian state oil company, who I guess ran
Speaker 2: a foul of the Seven Sisters when he started negotiating
Speaker 2: his independent deals and giving the countries a better deal,
Speaker 2: give me a larger percent of profits. And what happens
Speaker 2: to him?
Speaker 3: He probably ended up deb But I remember reading about
Speaker 3: Seven Sisters on Wikipedia.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: His plane blew up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, there you go.
Speaker 2: So another another convenient plane plane crash or whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: which goes back to you know, airlines. But I think
Speaker 2: he was on a private plane that went down smaller.
Speaker 3: Would you agree with that that the oil we could
Speaker 3: place some of these oil groups at the top of
Speaker 3: the gar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's energy. And I think now I think
Speaker 2: if you want to they've probably moved into uh well,
Speaker 2: big Agra and big pharma because that's being merged like
Speaker 2: with Monsanto and some of these big uh you know,
Speaker 2: agri company, agriculture companies are that are combining with with
Speaker 2: you know, with the science with genital modified organisms, and
Speaker 2: it's control of the world and controlling food. Uh you're
Speaker 2: trying to introduce these terminator seeds, which is absolutely insane.
Speaker 2: And you know, you control the energy, you can throttle
Speaker 2: the global economy, you can you know, the world's currencies,
Speaker 2: the dollar at least is based on the petro dollar.
Speaker 2: And this is also the same reason why you manage
Speaker 2: drug networks, right, because so much of the finite global
Speaker 2: finance is based on drugs drug proceeds, and so you
Speaker 2: have to manage it to control it. And the same
Speaker 2: way that you create a global crisis with nuclear war,
Speaker 2: with world wars or nuclear terra you create a pretext
Speaker 2: to manage the world, right, well, the same with the
Speaker 2: drugs the drug war. You have to manage the drug war.
Speaker 2: You have to pick the cartels and picked the banks
Speaker 2: that are going to funnel this drug money and those
Speaker 2: proceeds are going to distroy it or control that direct
Speaker 2: the economy in certain ways. You know. That's you know,
Speaker 2: Katherine Austin Fitz gets into that with a lot of
Speaker 2: her research, but she uncovered and she's listening to interviewer
Speaker 2: recently with The Dark Journalist, and she said she didn't
Speaker 2: really understand how the New World Order functioned. Does She
Speaker 2: moved to Tennessee to a rural area and observed how
Speaker 2: people manage livestock. Well, that's that's comforting.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I could see that because you know, I'm
Speaker 3: in Tennessee too, and there's cows everywhere, and there's other
Speaker 3: domesticated farm animals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the animal farm there.
Speaker 3: You go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's how they see us, you know.
Speaker 4: Now the.
Speaker 3: I don't want to give away too much of what
Speaker 3: I saved for the subscribers. Oh no, no, beyond what
Speaker 3: we mentioned so far, because that there's a lot of
Speaker 3: Stalin stuff and NKVD stuff, and then it kind of
Speaker 3: gets into topics that I'm going to talk about in
Speaker 3: the next final talk on hope. But there is a
Speaker 3: lot of interesting stuff come out, you know, with wiki leaks.
Speaker 3: Are going to talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the election and this this FBI I reopened
Speaker 2: the investigation. It's based on these I guess information or
Speaker 2: emails that were on the laptop of Anthony Wiener aka
Speaker 2: College Danger, Charlie Danger, and his strange wife, who is
Speaker 2: a I think I've been an aide for Hilly Clinton
Speaker 2: for the better part of twenty years, I think, and well,
Speaker 2: let you talk about you.
Speaker 3: I think, well, I just basically it looks like I mean,
Speaker 3: I'd made my video right before it started coming out
Speaker 3: about more of the revelations of the sex, the sex stuff,
Speaker 3: so I didn't think the sex aspects not in it.
Speaker 3: I just talked about the top ten or so scandals
Speaker 3: that I saw as vindicated, which kind of vindicates everything
Speaker 3: that so.
Speaker 4: Called conspiracy theorists have talked about for so long. So
Speaker 4: you have, well, you.
Speaker 3: Have the Gulf States funding Isis and Jahad or the
Speaker 3: mercenaries basically, which is what we've talked about for so long.
Speaker 3: And this shows Hillary is in full knowledge of what's
Speaker 3: going on. For those that didn't believe that she did.
Speaker 3: You know, you've got Turkey, Qatar, Arab Emirs, Jordan and
Speaker 3: so ben Ghazi.
Speaker 4: What's you know.
Speaker 3: This is what the CFR called for in twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: and they called they have their article publicly posted of
Speaker 3: using quote al Qaeda in Syria. The article from the
Speaker 3: CFR said, it's in my video the Jihadis are. They're
Speaker 3: pretty awesome. That's what I'm not joking. That's what this
Speaker 3: guy says. He says they would provide zeal and morale
Speaker 3: for the takedown of aus Od and so this and again,
Speaker 3: now what was Hillary doing at this time while she
Speaker 3: was running the Bengazi situation, which is again this is
Speaker 3: funneling mechanism of weapons and aid to the quote Jahad?
Speaker 3: The next one is I just kind of listened to
Speaker 3: them or they're not in any like top ten, They're
Speaker 3: just a list of them. I thought it was funny
Speaker 3: that CNN said that it's illegal to read these, but
Speaker 3: then they turned around and said we will read them
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 4: Well, now wait a minute.
Speaker 3: If it's illegal, how is CNN going to read them
Speaker 3: and vet them for us?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I know what law are they citing.
Speaker 3: By the way, really, the Democrats paid agit violence paid
Speaker 3: for that. We knew that that's nothing new.
Speaker 2: But what was interesting is that connection was this the
Speaker 2: Donald Ducks.
Speaker 3: Well, I just meant the paid for a violent eruption. Okay,
Speaker 3: frump rallies and busting people around for voter fraud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there was I think of the Donald ducks
Speaker 2: when they show up and it turns out that it
Speaker 2: was funded by it was supposed to be independent. It's fun.
Speaker 2: It was it Bob Kreamer I think was his name.
Speaker 2: Guy resigned and there's a conversation he's talking about the
Speaker 2: duck costumes. Is you know how it is to get
Speaker 2: a duck costume for an adult? Yeah, it's very funny.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like usually their first kids. It's hard
Speaker 2: to get one for adults. But go ahead. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: It's just that same sort of what we think it
Speaker 3: might be a Solilensky style stuff. Yeah, betrays once again
Speaker 3: the banker in the background with Soros busting people around
Speaker 3: and the admission of the democratic vote fraud of oh,
Speaker 3: we just bust the minorities around the different locales, and
Speaker 3: again Soros comes up in the background of this and
Speaker 3: the crisis actors of the provocateurs that were busted around.
Speaker 4: Ferguson right.
Speaker 3: If you recall that this last couple of summers, the
Speaker 3: racial incitement, the shadow government, this is not wikiles, this
Speaker 3: is the FBI reference in the CNBC article that explicitly
Speaker 3: says shadow government, and the officials who were told about
Speaker 3: the shadow government having to okay these things, they were
Speaker 3: unaware of what this was.
Speaker 4: The seventh floor. They're like, what what is that? You mean?
Speaker 3: There's a group above us that says what canon can't
Speaker 3: be done? And that was in reference to Foyer request.
Speaker 3: By the way, the Foyer requests are filtered by the
Speaker 3: seventh floor shadow government is what it says.
Speaker 4: Did you see that?
Speaker 2: Yes, seven, That would be the seventh floor of the
Speaker 2: of Langley m h.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see. Comy was of course on the HSBC
Speaker 3: board at one point, and there would be there obviously
Speaker 3: conflicts of interest with regard to the Clinton Foundation, which
Speaker 3: HSBC donated millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation. Podesta
Speaker 3: coordinating with Hollywood, obviously that shouldn't really be a surprise.
Speaker 3: Hillary has on her call list the top Hollywood directors, Katzenberg,
Speaker 3: Warner Brothers people. The emails say, quote from Huma makes
Speaker 3: Soros happy. That was a good one. One of the
Speaker 3: Podesta was a Podesta email said that we've got to
Speaker 3: make the American people more complacent, more docile, like you
Speaker 3: mentioned farm.
Speaker 2: Animals, more complacent, more docile, because that's that's what a
Speaker 2: engaged citizen citizenry should be.
Speaker 3: That's great coordination with Google and Schmidt, Schmidt basically drawing
Speaker 3: up the plans for the campaign or.
Speaker 4: The online aspects of it, or something to that effect.
Speaker 3: And then of course the massive coordination with mainstream media
Speaker 3: and some sixty five plus mainstream media pundits and journalists
Speaker 3: all coordinating with the Hillary campaign. Now, Hillary has destroyed nations,
Speaker 3: as we've said, Trump Trump has built buildings and said
Speaker 3: a few cuss words that we know of that we
Speaker 3: know of.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: It's so that alone, I think is amazing.
Speaker 4: You know that the we have.
Speaker 3: This populace that this this liberal establishment that pretends to
Speaker 3: be up in arms and in a tizzy and having
Speaker 3: convulsions over Trump saying the P word, when it's that
Speaker 3: same liberal establishment that promotes pedophilia and you know, the
Speaker 3: most degenerate stuff on television, right, Huddle, absolutely makes no.
Speaker 2: Sense, Hollywood outrage that Trump would be you know, he's
Speaker 2: a womanizer.
Speaker 3: So the outrage, I guess is that he is heterosexual.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he's not devian enough maybe right, right?
Speaker 3: So the uh and then, of course what's interesting is
Speaker 3: that we get this character Evan mcmollin that suddenly shows
Speaker 3: up connected to Mitt Romney and Goldman Sacks obviously some
Speaker 3: Mormon Cia angle front phony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's running out in the Utah or something. He's
Speaker 2: pulling that they could pulled that away from Trump and yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, he's this uh connection. Yeah, you mentioned Goldmen
Speaker 2: Sacks and it's part of the Mormon mafia, I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then to crown it all off, who does Hillary
Speaker 3: says behind it all Russia and that Trump is run
Speaker 3: by Russia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently his computer has a link right up to
Speaker 2: put computer or something the community strategize or something.
Speaker 3: And there's no election fraud. There's no voter fraud according
Speaker 3: to Obama bought. Obama and the establishment want to bring
Speaker 3: the UN to police the election in case of voter
Speaker 3: but I thought there was no voter fraud. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: just total nonsense. Total Well, it's in other words, that
Speaker 3: all this Wiki League stuff, which in itself may.
Speaker 4: Not be that big of a well, actually it is
Speaker 4: kind of like the biggest.
Speaker 3: It's ten times worse than Watergate, right.
Speaker 2: What you're saying, Yeah, because Watergate, I'm not aware of
Speaker 2: any dead bodies. You could make the case that's wife. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was one thing with her mysterious plane crash.
Speaker 3: But the Clinton uh yeah, they should be in jail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're guilty. But the thing is to really
Speaker 2: to expose to Clinton is to again oppose then you
Speaker 2: mean me and Ark saw the bushes and you know
Speaker 2: these things and even some of the things with Epstein, Epstein,
Speaker 2: you know what that what that opens up.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what's come out in the past couple of days,
Speaker 3: is yeah, the reflection of going back to the pedophilia
Speaker 3: stories of Little Saint James Island and that this is
Speaker 3: kind of a black male operation to entrap the wealthy
Speaker 3: and the powerful.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's some also evidence that it implicates Trump,
Speaker 2: which because she is, you know, all that place down
Speaker 2: he owns where this girl, uh Veronica or is it
Speaker 2: Veronica Clark was her name, I think, But you know,
Speaker 2: they so it's hard to I mean, if you listened
Speaker 2: to I mean some of the I just heard an
Speaker 2: interview with his name from the Wrong Paul Peace Center
Speaker 2: on r T talking about this whole latest thing with
Speaker 2: Daniel McAdams. Daniel McAdams and he's talking and there's openly
Speaker 2: people now openly talking about the deep state. By the way,
Speaker 2: so Peter delle Scott, you've been vindicated. But yeah, this
Speaker 2: is how there's a revolt. One thing is that the
Speaker 2: reason why this latest thing occurred is some one level
Speaker 2: there's a revolt among the FBI. Headline today that the
Speaker 2: FBI is pro Trump, that's the accusation now. But they
Speaker 2: were so disgusted with Comy's decision last July that there's
Speaker 2: there's been a you know, like a ton of resignations
Speaker 2: or threats to resign, and so they had to do this.
Speaker 2: One thing is, but you know, Comy is is a puppet.
Speaker 2: He's not a he's not a string poller. So he's
Speaker 2: not he's not taking these decisions in a vacuum or
Speaker 2: by himself. That some people feel that it's some faction
Speaker 2: within the deep state. Uh, the the people that choose
Speaker 2: our candidates for US have turned against Hillary Clinton for
Speaker 2: some reason. Maybe it's Russia, because of Russia, maybe it's
Speaker 2: because she's too close to the neo conservative And there's
Speaker 2: so we say, less insane, a more responsible faction to
Speaker 2: this criminal syndicate that runs things. That's saying whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2: Wait a second. At first we thought maybe we may
Speaker 2: have wanted Hillary. Now maybe we don't. She's too corrupt,
Speaker 2: it's too dangerous. Yeah, if she gets elected, she's gonna
Speaker 2: be facing impeachment, especially Republicans that maytain control of Congress.
Speaker 2: They could be impeachment within months of this person. And
Speaker 2: maybe it's just better have Trump in there.
Speaker 3: That's what some people think. Yeah. Yeah, And I just
Speaker 3: uploaded my video last night where I kind of get
Speaker 3: my thesis on all that.
Speaker 4: So if people can check out my video, I toddled it.
Speaker 3: Clinton WikiLeaks exposes entire shadow government where we go through
Speaker 3: these points and the different articles.
Speaker 4: That treat of it.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, I guess we're gonna we're gonna see
Speaker 3: a lot in the next couple of days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see what happens Wednesday morning, what the results are.
Speaker 2: There's always the chance of voter fraud, electronic voting, you
Speaker 2: don't know anymore. It gets this question who controls the
Speaker 2: software now?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: And the software is proprietary by the way, meaning that
Speaker 2: wait a second, so there's no public right now. From
Speaker 2: what I understand, the way the law reads is the public.
Speaker 2: There's no right to to analyze the data which produces
Speaker 2: the votes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this has been talked about by Bev Herrolles
Speaker 3: for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what happened to Ohio in two thousand and four.
Speaker 2: The votes are switched and just gave the election to Bush.
Speaker 2: And it can be done electronically. Now, now, who's to say.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's but that's what's one dimension to it.
Speaker 2: But again, it's be interesting to see what happens. You know,
Speaker 2: for a while, I thought Trump was put up there
Speaker 2: to I'm sure Hillary's election. I'm not quite so sure anymore.
Speaker 2: I thought, now, you know, you could you know, because
Speaker 2: he apparently has momentum and uh, he does draw bigger crowds.
Speaker 2: But again, if you're controlling the voting machines and they're electronic,
Speaker 2: I don't know how relevant.
Speaker 3: That is it. Well, but I mean what this was,
Speaker 3: I was a radio thing and that came up. How
Speaker 3: do you think, Well, I mean, they technically they could
Speaker 3: get away with it, because there's any there's nothing that
Speaker 3: I mean, what would you do, like who how I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess it would have to be Trump contesting. It
Speaker 3: is the only way that could potentially even happen if
Speaker 3: they didn't noticeably steal it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So again, it is the electoral college which elects right,
Speaker 2: you know, and you know we do. Americas do not
Speaker 2: have a right to vote to president of United States.
Speaker 2: We elect electors, and those electors are you know, aren't
Speaker 2: aren't bound by the way. And what we don't know,
Speaker 2: so we also don't realize is that the states themselves
Speaker 2: could change the law. They won't. But we learned this
Speaker 2: in two thousand when Florida had its UH had its
Speaker 2: electoral college compromise. I mean, there's a chance that wouldn't
Speaker 2: be represented in the December nineteenth vote when they go
Speaker 2: to Washington and actually elect the president. Because it's dispute
Speaker 2: between Gord and Bush. There was a chance that they
Speaker 2: wouldn't meet the deadline they had to be certified by
Speaker 2: a certain date to go to Washington, d c. And
Speaker 2: so the state legislature was going to step in and
Speaker 2: appoint the electors, which because the Constitution gives the states
Speaker 2: total authority to decide the manner in which the electors
Speaker 2: are chosen. All the states have chosen a general election,
Speaker 2: you know, to elect electors since the nineteenth century. But
Speaker 2: it used to be that they'd be appointed by the
Speaker 2: state legislature in many cases. I think that's why Jackson
Speaker 2: is considered the first Democratic elected president because his election
Speaker 2: most states had their electors elected at large. But so
Speaker 2: the point is that because of the dispute in two thousand,
Speaker 2: the legislation in Florida, which was Republican controlled, was about
Speaker 2: to appoint the electors. And they have plenary authority, I
Speaker 2: think is the term is used in the Constitution to
Speaker 2: choose the manner in which the electors are chosen. So
Speaker 2: no Supreme Court, no one can question it. It's the
Speaker 2: electors that which is popul elected the state legislature, and
Speaker 2: they were going to do that. Say listen, we're getting
Speaker 2: tired of all this, all this back and forth, all
Speaker 2: this all this uh litigation and media. We're just going
Speaker 2: to appoint the electors. But that's when the Supreme Court
Speaker 2: stepped in stopped the voting recounts which were started by
Speaker 2: the state Florida Supreme Court, which is stepping into the
Speaker 2: stepping into it and involving itself, which is very liberal.
Speaker 2: By the way, Florida had this weird situation where the
Speaker 2: Florida Supreme Court is really liberal and the legislature was
Speaker 2: really conservative. So you had that going with the year
Speaker 2: the Florida Supreme Court uh stepping in and ordering recounts
Speaker 2: all over the place. So the point is, then the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court steps in with this ruling that says that
Speaker 2: it's a violation of equal protection or something, which is ridiculous,
Speaker 2: and they give the Bush the election over to Bush.
Speaker 2: The odd thing about that election was that if you
Speaker 2: just let the slate state legislature do it, they would
Speaker 2: have given the election to Bush. Anyway. For some reason,
Speaker 2: the court had to step in and do this and
Speaker 2: confuse the matter. Maybe they just like doing that with
Speaker 2: this weird decision that they came up with, you know,
Speaker 2: with the Bush v. Gore where they hobbly have this
Speaker 2: weird decision where it's a violation of equal protection or
Speaker 2: something because the recounts. There was no standard for recounts,
Speaker 2: you know, with the voting, remember the hanging chads and
Speaker 2: all that stuff, m and there was you know, whether
Speaker 2: what was a valid ballot or not. And then of
Speaker 2: course that was a great propagandagainst paper ballots, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a good point, is that SiO to
Speaker 2: bring in electron bring electronic right, yeah, so efficient and clean, yeah, right.
Speaker 3: Like the transition to electronic currency will be.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's convenient, clean and you know, you know great,
Speaker 2: and you just can't look into the you can't look
Speaker 2: inside the box. You have to accept the results.
Speaker 3: But it's interestingly being sold as a security means, which
Speaker 3: is ridiculous. Yeah, which you have much greater security with
Speaker 3: electronic currency yet, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like security in your home, right ADT monitoring.
Speaker 2: Let us watch your home for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, a lot a bunch of creepy guys sitting
Speaker 3: at a computer somewhere and just watch your home all
Speaker 3: day for you.
Speaker 2: What was that? There was an NFL player who was
Speaker 2: charged with killing uh was it girlfriends? None of his
Speaker 2: girlfriend was some guy who had something to do with
Speaker 2: his with his girlfriend of fiance. I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: they did. He basically was charged with murder and they
Speaker 2: used his home security system against them. Wow, So there
Speaker 2: you go. I mean you bet off with a gun
Speaker 2: and a good lock, you know.
Speaker 3: So all right, well I'm have to yeah, go for
Speaker 3: the evening, but this is this has been good, and
Speaker 3: then I'll have the next final installment of Tragy No
Speaker 3: hope up soon.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very very very soon next week or two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, listen, I'll let you go, and thanks a lot,
Speaker 2: and I'll have this up soon. When I do, I'll
Speaker 2: send you the link. All right, Thanks Dan, great, good night,
Speaker 2: take it easy.
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