WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:06.639 Welcome to Our Interesting Times with host Timothy Kelly, who 2 00:00:06.679 --> 00:00:09.359 interviews today's top alternative and revisionist thinkers. 3 00:00:11.320 --> 00:01:35.480 May live in interesting times. Welcome to our interesting Times. 4 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:39.319 My guest tonight is Jay Dyer. He returns to the 5 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:43.560 show to discuss guest Lecture seven of his Tragian Hopes series. Jay, 6 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:44.439 how are you doing this evening? 7 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:46.920 I'm doing great, Tim How are you very well? 8 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:51.719 Thank you? Of course you are the proprietor of Jay's Analysis, 9 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:56.599 and you also have a book coming out very soon 10 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:57.680 for understand. 11 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:02.599 Actually, yeah, mayship in the next week. Okay, I'm supposed 12 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:05.439 to get my author copies this week, and I presume 13 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:06.560 that that means. 14 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:08.439 That people that have ordered it will get it too. 15 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:09.599 But I'm not homercent positive. 16 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:13.400 Okay, of course that's esoteric. Hollywood sex calls, the symbols 17 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:18.520 and film correct, had the subtitle correct? Okay, there you go. Great, Okay, 18 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:22.639 look forward to that and well tonight, of course, maybe, 19 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:24.680 if time permitting, maybe getting to some of this election 20 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:33.639 the last minute election scandal which I listened to, Oh oh. 21 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:34.080 What's his name? 22 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:38.879 My god? 23 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:44.319 Kimothy Guidner, doctor. 24 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:50.080 Joseph Farrell, and he was on the interview with a 25 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:55.479 dark journalist, and his take on the the Cump candidacy 26 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:59.080 is rather interesting, saying that it's part of it's a 27 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:02.960 his his whole ambassy is being pushed by one faction 28 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:07.240 of the elite to well, at first to ensure Hillary's 29 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:11.520 election and now to prevent her election. There's been some changing, 30 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:15.840 I mean, of course of speculation, but that somehow people 31 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:19.199 within the elite have gotten Trump to run and now 32 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.719 this this sort of this deep state revolution against Hillary 33 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:27.199 is now a reflection of that sort of backstage intrigue. 34 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:28.759 So I thought that was interesting. 35 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:33.240 Well, I saw one of the Podesta emails includes a 36 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:36.599 dinner plan with Marina Abramovich, who is the witch that 37 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:41.159 inspires Lady Gaga, and the dinner is supposed to include 38 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:45.719 spirit cooking. There's a video where Marina Abraviovich explains what 39 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.680 spirit cooking is and she utilizes pig blood, human semen, 40 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:55.719 and breast milk. So that would suggest even a cult 41 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:59.240 involvement on top of the pedophilia elements that have been 42 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:01.039 coming out in the past couple days. 43 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:03.599 And of course that would conflict with the Podesta's claims 44 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:05.479 of being a faithful Catholic. 45 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:07.919 It would seem to. 46 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:11.479 But I was surprised to see that I didn't. 47 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:12.919 I was somebody talking about that. 48 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:13.639 I thought. 49 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:15.560 I mean, on the one hand, I should have been 50 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:17.560 like yeah, obviously, but then I was also like, no, 51 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:22.000 surely not. But yeah, there is a dinner with Podesta 52 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:25.399 and Marina Abramovich and they talk about spirit cooking and 53 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:28.519 if you don't believe me, watch your Marina's video explaining 54 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:29.720 what spirit cooking is. 55 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:30.959 Wow. 56 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:33.680 Okay, it just straight up basically, it's just straight up 57 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:37.360 witchcraft and you know, kind of voodoo type stuff. 58 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:40.120 Yeah. Well he is a member of the Trilateral Commission, 59 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:43.959 and you know, when you get into these elite circles 60 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:47.560 of course with your research, and you know what I've 61 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:51.720 come to learn that's again, it's not too shocking once 62 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:56.079 you're aware of that dimension too. Yeah, politics, you know, 63 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:59.279 so it's like bohemian grove, you know, once you exactly 64 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:00.439 you know. 65 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:04.160 And this whole thing, the whole Epstein thing, it all 66 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:06.360 seems to be a giant sort of blackmail thing that 67 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.040 is really no different than what we've seen with Franklin 68 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:13.040 cover up and the whole stories of Johnny Gosh and 69 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:17.639 the manor in England where am I five was surveilling 70 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.399 and blackmailing, and they had you know, Ted Heath and 71 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:24.600 all these people that were coming to this callboy house 72 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:29.680 in England, with save of course being connected to as 73 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:31.920 I understand Epstein and all these characters. 74 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:34.319 And it's almost like we get a glimpse that then 75 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:37.759 the investigation is shut down. And the reason why we 76 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:40.120 can only get a glimpse because a full I think 77 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.279 a full reckoning or a full investigation would open up 78 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.879 a whole can of worms and maybe reveal too much 79 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:50.879 about the true nature of the system. You know so 80 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:55.759 well for right now you just concluded a Tragy Nope 81 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.959 lecture seven. Of course, last time we talked we covered 82 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:02.399 lectures four or five, and and we covered the well 83 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.720 the rise of the European banking houses and the eventual 84 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:08.759 primacy of the Rothschild banking house, the intrigues at the 85 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.160 Atlantis's powers and the inter war period, and how their 86 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:16.040 dual policy of appeasing and then demonizing Hiler was sort 87 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:19.040 of a dialectic created to fermenta yet another war in Europe, 88 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:21.720 World War two, because you and this was this was 89 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.519 a part of a process of doing way with sort 90 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:28.040 of this three block stage and sort of creating a 91 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.120 two block or bipolar war. This was the Cold War, 92 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:32.480 and this what you focus on on Lecture seven when 93 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:34.879 you deal with the rise of the military industrial complex, 94 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:39.879 the Cold War, the espionage apparatus, and the sciat that 95 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:42.439 is nuclear terra, as well as the identity as you 96 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:47.399 call the identity of the real illuminati. So how do 97 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:48.199 you want to get into this? 98 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:56.680 Of course, it starts in the background of the chapter 99 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:02.560 that quickly titled the New Age and rationalization and science 100 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:09.439 and scientism relativism in the physical sense, which of course 101 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:15.199 is connected to relativism in the philosophic sense as well. Darwinism, Marx, 102 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:20.240 and Freud are all listed by Quickling that chapter as 103 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:24.720 founding fathers of the modern world. And this is interesting 104 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:28.920 because we know Quickly is onto something because it echoes 105 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.920 writings that we've seen that I've delved into and other 106 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.040 geopolitical analysts that might not be as well known, like 107 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:41.399 Oswald Spangler or his student Francis Parker. Yaki Yacki's book 108 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:45.759 Imperium has a whole chapter on well, actually separate chapters 109 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:48.920 on Darwin, Marx, and Freud as kind of the fathers 110 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:52.839 of modernity, and I think those shifts once again come. 111 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.800 To the foe as setting the stage for the rise of. 112 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:59.240 What Quickly's talking about here with the military industrial complex, 113 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:04.360 the deep state, the private defense contractors, the research and 114 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:08.319 development labs that are all set up Lincoln Labs, MI 115 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:14.680 t Rand Corporation, which is a started curtisil May Air Force. 116 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:18.759 We know as well that also under the ages of 117 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.839 the Air Force is NASA. So NASA is actually going 118 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:25.240 to play into this too, because we're gonna see and 119 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:25.839 this is going. 120 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:27.680 To be part of the next lecture that I do. 121 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.279 The tie in between the space race, the missile race, 122 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:39.799 and the shifting of American philosophy basically as a kind 123 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.240 of outworking of the scientistic deep state. 124 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:44.960 And as Quickly. 125 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:50.600 Says pretty clearly, it's all based on pragmatism, it's all 126 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:54.320 based on empiricism, all those philosophical ideas that you and 127 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:57.360 I have already kind of highlighted in the background. And 128 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:00.159 it was a deep state even then that had a 129 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:04.080 dual policy, to use the words of both the Chamberlain 130 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:09.120 and now Hillary Clinton in her emails mentioning a dual policy, 131 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.720 if a private policy towards the bankers and Goldman Sachs 132 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.879 that she gave her talks to and a different policy 133 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:20.360 for the public idiots out there. And it's no different 134 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:24.919 with our technocratic rulers that were all prepped by World 135 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:30.679 War two. And what we have is this sudden new threat. Okay, 136 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:35.799 it's almost like the threat has to be upped. The 137 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.440 ante has to be upped every time. Right, So the 138 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:42.480 warfare World War One, the dangers and the terrors that 139 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:45.279 we all went through, well not we, I guess our 140 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:47.320 grandparents or whatever great grandparents. 141 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:52.080 That has to be settled. We have to. 142 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:57.279 We have to take precautions through a second World war 143 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:01.360 to avoid the dangers of World War One, right, and 144 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:04.840 then after World War Two we have to take new 145 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:08.559 precautions to avoid the dangers of everything that we saw 146 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.000 in World War two, which was the threat of the 147 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.960 entire planet being engulfed in the war because of nukes 148 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:19.840 and so again nukes, space race, weapons race, it's all connected. 149 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.159 And quickly is going to say that in the next 150 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:25.519 lecture that I do, of course, but for now, I 151 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:28.159 thought that that one of the most important chapters in 152 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:33.399 the book, besides perhaps the chapter that I covered this time, 153 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.279 dealing with the Cliveden set and the Anglo American establishment 154 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:40.759 that he kind of lays out Morgan Chase, the different bankers, 155 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:44.639 Walter Lippmann, these characters that Wall Street characters that were 156 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.480 part of this Eastern establishment, the New York establishment tied 157 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:52.440 to London. Is this chapter on the New Age because 158 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:57.720 it's very prophetic. It talks about AI, it talks about transhumanism, 159 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:02.159 it talks about cybernetics, talks about as we said, Ran 160 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:06.279 Corporation is basically the merchants of death Right and the 161 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:08.879 rise of game theory. We talked about all that last time, 162 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:10.960 but that is you have to understand that to be 163 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:15.200 the background to Manhattan Project and doctor Edward Teller, who's 164 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:19.000 also of course the father of geoengineering or aerosol spray 165 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:25.840 atmospheric aerosol spring programs. He's known for that. But curiously 166 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:32.919 there's these little slip in comments by Quickly that the 167 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.240 Alexander Sachs and Bernard Baruk is who's behind setting up 168 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:41.159 this UN plan for the Security Council. So the whole point, 169 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.679 the whole origin of the UN Security Council comes out 170 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:48.799 of this and the need and desire to watch dog 171 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:53.000 all of the global nuke networks, the nukes that are 172 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:55.559 out there everywhere. All the Russians have nukes now too, 173 00:11:56.039 --> 00:12:01.279 by the forties, right, So it's fear, fear of fear, 174 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:04.759 fear of fear, and a lot of other curious statements 175 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:09.679 about the project itself, highly compartmentalized. Only about a dozen 176 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:12.720 persons quickly says on page fifty six actually knew what 177 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:17.840 the program was as a whole. So it's, in my opinion, 178 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:22.039 that's very difficult, you know, looking back on history to 179 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.639 know exactly what was going on here. You know, to 180 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.480 what degree are the nukes really a threat? Are there 181 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:32.440 really all these black network are these black market nukes 182 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:36.159 out there? I mean, I would say I'm skeptical, but 183 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:39.960 just because I don't know how to prove that. I mean, 184 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.960 obviously you can't just go on these you know, thirty 185 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.840 forty fifty year old images of what appeared to be explosions. 186 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.960 Those could be anything. Just like I don't think that 187 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:52.240 the original Moon images are legitimate, and I think that 188 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:55.159 if you read Dave McGowan's book Wagging the Moondoggie, it's 189 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:59.919 pretty laughable to try to prop those images up as legitimate. 190 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:03.960 That also, however, isn't really a statement on what the 191 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:06.840 real technology is. I don't know, And I think that 192 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:10.000 that's kind of the point, is that they would use 193 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:13.080 a lot of this imagery and fear right the same 194 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.120 stuff with NASA, just like with the bombs and the 195 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:21.159 nukes as a means to I mean, it's all perception management. 196 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.879 So if you can get everybody thinking it's real, then 197 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:27.440 who cares is you don't even really need it. Quickly 198 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:30.919 also mentions curious statements, as I said before, about some 199 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:34.519 of the atomic spying stories being faked, the FBI and 200 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:38.480 Hollywood working together on that I mentioned before. I've got 201 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:40.879 a section in my book too on the FBI story 202 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:46.279 with Jimmy Stewart right playing this role the movie that 203 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:50.679 was made in tandem with Jagger. Hoover now Quickly doesn't 204 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.559 say that all the espionage was fake. He says that 205 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:55.799 a lot of it was hyped up. And he also 206 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:58.679 mentions the right wing in America and he of course 207 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:00.519 makes fun of them, and he says that these neo 208 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:04.679 isolations are all backwards idiots and goofballs. And then main 209 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:08.600 reason he thinks that is because they haven't seen that 210 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:13.759 there are people behind this are not ultimately the Comies. 211 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:20.159 It's not ultimately Russians, it's the Atlantics. It's the elite 212 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:24.559 in this country who wanted this, and so quickly basically 213 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:26.720 says that right now. He doesn't say that there's no 214 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:36.679 actual opposition in Russia. He supports the argument that Stalin 215 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:38.879 refused the Marshall plan aid and that this is the 216 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.960 beginning of the Cold War. That is, in fact, is 217 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.399 where he dates the beginning of the Cold War. But 218 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:49.720 I think what is most telling is also statements about, 219 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:55.480 excuse me, Hollywood nuke propaganda on page eight seventy five. So, 220 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:59.480 and I've watched a bunch of bad movies from that period, 221 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:01.919 and there's you know, you see it everywhere. You know, 222 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.600 everybody's got these bomb shelters, and everybody's afraid of nukes, 223 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:06.960 and you know, you stop dropping a roll again on 224 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:09.519 your desk or something like, that's gonna stop a nuke 225 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:16.600 incinerating you. But I'm not saying that. I think ICBMs 226 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:21.200 are real. Obviously, I think they really are intercontinental ballistic missiles. 227 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:24.679 But as to whether they are tipped with a mega 228 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.200 weapon that can cut the planet in half, I'm suspicious, 229 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:30.240 But I don't know, there's a lot of different angles 230 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:34.080 to go on this, but I think what's most interesting is, 231 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:36.240 you know, he does talk about John Birch Society on 232 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.559 page eight eighty two or something akin to it. I 233 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:43.759 can't remember if he actually he basically talks about mccarthy'sm 234 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:47.000 and he's talking about the anti communist movements and how Dulles, 235 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:50.600 who was kind of spearheading a lot of that, was 236 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:53.960 at the same time, you know, a deep state player, right, 237 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:57.320 John Foster Dulles, and of course later on his brother Alan, 238 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.399 and so the Dulles brothers, as we know from other 239 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.720 books as well, you know that they're they're not real 240 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:09.679 quote anti communists. They're part of this setting the stage 241 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:13.080 for the Cold War and provoking and continuing the Cold War. 242 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:16.879 And you know, if if if we if. 243 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:19.159 There really wanted to not be a Cold War, they 244 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.639 wanted to put it into this, then they wouldn't have 245 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.039 have done what they did at Yalta in Potsdam, you know, 246 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:28.360 they wouldn't have handed over a third of the world 247 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:33.679 to through the Communist block. And that was all painted 248 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:36.240 as if there's all these reds in the US government. Well, 249 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.919 there probably were a lot of people who could imbibe 250 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:41.559 this the this, this liberalism, and quickly talks about that 251 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:44.720 at the Institute for Pacific Relations and so forth. But 252 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:49.240 when we stopped for a moment and recall that Mao 253 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:52.200 was apparently a Yali, a Yale in China, and that 254 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:55.440 the oss Is who trained his gorillas and and Donovan 255 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:58.879 set up this buy networks throughout China, we start to 256 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:01.279 realize that that's she had at the angle of the 257 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:05.480 Cold War that was fake and staged and manufactured. And 258 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:09.519 as you pointed out, David Rockefeller could he could fly 259 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:14.480 into Moscow. In Mark Rockefeller's own memoirs, he traces the 260 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.039 establishment of Chase Bank, that was the first bank in 261 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.960 communist China. Everybody also is probably aware in this audience 262 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:26.359 at least of the nineteen seventy three editorial from a 263 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:29.920 China Traveler World where Dave Rockefeller praises MAU as the 264 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:31.039 great social experiment. 265 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:40.039 So there's no reel at that level opposition. There is 266 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:42.039 the need. 267 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:47.920 For this appearance of the godless, godless East and you know, 268 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:54.119 the godly West, which is again propaganda. So there's just 269 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:59.119 there's That's what comes to my mind right off the bat. 270 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:02.920 But I noticed another point I'll make too a contradiction 271 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:06.839 if we look back at the bomb question. Quiggly, on 272 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:13.920 the one hand, says that Oppenheimer was not a great 273 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.960 scientist of the class of Einstein Born Fermi on page 274 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.200 eight to eighty five, but he calls him a cultural 275 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:27.640 critic and specifically adept at literature and music. Now, about 276 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:30.480 two hundred pages later, he says the exact opposite and 277 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.400 says that Oppenheimer was the genius behind the Manhattan Project 278 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.920 and a great scientist. So what I what I've noticed 279 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:39.720 going through this and making so many notes, is that 280 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:42.480 Quiggly's not consistent with himself. He'll say all kinds of 281 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.400 things that don't really line up. And that's probably because 282 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:47.359 the book was has to have been written over, you know, 283 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:49.400 a long period of time. Nobody could you don't slap 284 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:55.079 this book out in a few few months, right, yeah, Hello, yeah, Okay. 285 00:18:54.839 --> 00:18:55.920 I didn't know if he were still there. 286 00:18:56.279 --> 00:19:00.000 So, you know, there's a lot of contradictions in quick 287 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:02.079 there's a lot of statements that don't make sense, even 288 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:03.920 about the nukes, which is what you know where we're 289 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:10.079 at now, and so I almost think it's very reblatory. 290 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:13.839 But because it's an apologetic book, and because it's you know, 291 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:17.599 intended for a certain academic, professional government class of audience. 292 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:25.640 Even this book is a limited revelation because, for example, 293 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:29.240 the chapters I was just recently reviewing about Castro and 294 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:32.440 Cuba and Bay of Pigs, you don't get anything like 295 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:35.480 the analysis that you get from Servondo Gonzalez on that topic, 296 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:38.640 who I think is very insightful. You get a lot 297 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:41.920 of well, the CIA just bungled this, They just totally 298 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:44.480 messed up. And granted, maybe that was because you know, 299 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.759 Quigley's writing this right around the time of Bad Pigs, 300 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:53.240 so you know, it's a complex book, and I think 301 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:57.519 Quiggly was maybe Quigley was even aware of his own contradictions. 302 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.160 Who knows how far are you go? 303 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:02.920 Yeah, there you go. That's a that's a better way 304 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:03.359 to put it. 305 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.440 Because there's a I had an interview last year with 306 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:10.279 Kevin Cole about the article in the Washington Post by 307 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:14.240 I think Rudy Maxa was the reporter and the title 308 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:16.119 of the article was the Professor that knew too much, 309 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.480 and Kevin Cole's analysis of it was the article that 310 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:22.400 said too little and he didn't know what questions to 311 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:25.319 ask what quickly was saying in an interview if you 312 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:28.079 could didn't have to read through the lines. Yeah, obviously 313 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:32.000 suggested if her were to reveal too much, he'd be threatened, 314 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:34.920 whether his career or his life or something, and he asked, 315 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:36.519 he asked reporter to turn the tape off. 316 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:37.799 You know. 317 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:40.200 Then he talks about his illustration with the publisher of 318 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:43.000 his books regarding the plates, and you've talked about that before. 319 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:46.799 The whole thing was the book suppressed? And well the 320 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:50.240 owner of the publisher and book was Churse, would the 321 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:52.599 owner of the publishing house? Can you can trace it 322 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:56.119 back to Chatham House? And this whole the road circle, 323 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:00.480 so you know, he was probably aware of how far 324 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:04.200 he could go, and also probably his own bias. I 325 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:07.359 guess what he's writing about, But I did one thing. 326 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:10.799 You mentioned the Manhattan Project, and you bring up Oppenheimer, 327 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.799 the fact that he wasn't really a technical person. He 328 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:18.079 was which you think this would be highly technical. You know, 329 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:20.759 he as the administrator of the Manhattan Project. 330 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:23.680 Yeah, he says several times that the people actually running 331 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:30.039 the project were not scientists, bankers, and yeah, administrate people, bureaucrats. 332 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:31.160 And then you have these. 333 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:34.200 Compartmentalized scientists who quickly says, don't really know what was 334 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:35.359 the whole project was. 335 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:38.839 And you and quickly he talks either was it quickly? 336 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:41.079 He wrote, some of the sciences are very skeptical about 337 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:42.720 the success of the project. 338 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:46.079 He says that they all doubted it, just like the moon. 339 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:49.480 He mentions the Moon by the way. He says that 340 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:52.519 scientists are doubtful, you know, the possibility of going to 341 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:52.880 the moon. 342 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:55.640 Yeah, so the visionaries and the pr guys were saying, oh, 343 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:57.119 we can do this, like Kennedy saying we'll go to 344 00:21:57.160 --> 00:21:58.759 the Moon at the end of the decade, and we'll 345 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:01.440 do We'll do it because it's hard or whatever, all 346 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:03.960 the political rhetoric, but that the technical people saying, wait 347 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:09.319 a seconds, Easier said than done. And well, that's interesting 348 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:13.039 because with like the Manhattan Project, it's like NASA. I 349 00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:16.119 was looking at NASA's first administrator, this guy Thomas Glennon, 350 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:19.400 and he came from motion picture industry. 351 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:23.559 There you go, this is what we start seeing pretty consistently. 352 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:27.160 Is this a very strange revolving door that is not 353 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:29.920 the field that you would expect, such as science or 354 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:31.000 physics or engineering. 355 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:34.480 Yeah, he moved from like motion picture I think paramount 356 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:39.680 to Samuel Golden Studios, then to like aviation, and who 357 00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:41.839 knows at that level what you're involved in, because I 358 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:44.640 think at that point with aviation that you're you're you're 359 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.720 getting into the deep state, the military military industrial complex, 360 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:50.000 and maybe you would be involved in some sort of 361 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:52.200 PSIOP or fakery. 362 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:57.720 Right, Absolutely that John Adams over at Hostbusters actually dug 363 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:03.839 up a great or article on the jet propulsion Laboratory 364 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:08.440 in southern California. Yes, and it's connection to Hollywood, believe 365 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:08.920 it or not. 366 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:11.440 In many other things. 367 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:15.480 Sure, sure, but but this this backs up that the 368 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:17.359 Hollywood connection that you're talking about. And I believe the 369 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:21.559 it's called it's by Peter J. Westwick, and this is 370 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:24.880 a it's a chapter in some academic book, but it's 371 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:29.000 about the societal impact of JPL, and I believe that's 372 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:32.359 the one where he reconnects it to Yeah, so there's 373 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:37.559 a lot of mentions of different films that would reflect 374 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:40.920 JPL and how the films would later and things like 375 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:45.279 IMAX would later be connected directly to to NASA and 376 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:48.000 promoting NASA and all this stuff and CBS's role with 377 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:50.319 NASA a very close connection there. 378 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:51.759 So if you can. 379 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:55.720 Find that that that paper that John Adams dug up 380 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:58.759 great research on part it's called the Jet Proposion Laboratory 381 00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:01.880 in Southern California, but Peter Jay Westwick and I would 382 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:05.119 imagine it can be found online. But but yeah, you're 383 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:08.559 absolutely right. And that's why even now we see I 384 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:10.319 can't remember who I mentioned this too, but I think 385 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:12.279 I added it to my book right before the Yeah, 386 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:15.279 I did, right before I had to finish the sidebars. Well, 387 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:19.799 James Cameron is on the board of NASA's Mars project, 388 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:23.759 not just as some camera guy, but as an advisor. Now, 389 00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:29.720 James Cameron is not an astronaut. Well, we all know 390 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:33.680 what James Cameron does. He makes movies, so yes, I 391 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:34.720 think that's pretty telling. 392 00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:41.480 He sinks Titanics and he creates h you know, well 393 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:42.799 CGI stuff and all that. 394 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:45.440 So he's also a big promoter of aliens. 395 00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:51.400 Yeah, which again again you're getting into some sort of 396 00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:58.119 there's a crossover blending of well of you know, of 397 00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:04.440 these supposed governmental the national security bureaucracies and and well 398 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:08.240 you could say either entertainment or propaganda or some sort 399 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:11.359 of you know, psychological operation. 400 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:13.119 Going on there. Mm hmmm uh. 401 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:17.680