1
00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,639
Speaker 1: Welcome to Our Interesting Times with host Timothy Kelly, who

2
00:00:06,679 --> 00:00:09,359
interviews today's top alternative and revisionist thinkers.

3
00:00:11,320 --> 00:01:35,480
Speaker 2: May live in interesting times. Welcome to our interesting Times.

4
00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,319
My guest tonight is Jay Dyer. He returns to the

5
00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,560
show to discuss guest Lecture seven of his Tragian Hopes series. Jay,

6
00:01:43,599 --> 00:01:44,439
how are you doing this evening?

7
00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,920
Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Tim How are you very well?

8
00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,719
Speaker 2: Thank you? Of course you are the proprietor of Jay's Analysis,

9
00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,599
and you also have a book coming out very soon

10
00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:57,680
for understand.

11
00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,599
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, mayship in the next week. Okay, I'm supposed

12
00:02:02,599 --> 00:02:05,439
to get my author copies this week, and I presume

13
00:02:05,519 --> 00:02:06,560
that that means.

14
00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,439
Speaker 4: That people that have ordered it will get it too.

15
00:02:08,439 --> 00:02:09,599
Speaker 3: But I'm not homercent positive.

16
00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,400
Speaker 2: Okay, of course that's esoteric. Hollywood sex calls, the symbols

17
00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,520
and film correct, had the subtitle correct? Okay, there you go. Great, Okay,

18
00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,639
look forward to that and well tonight, of course, maybe,

19
00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,680
if time permitting, maybe getting to some of this election

20
00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:33,639
the last minute election scandal which I listened to, Oh oh.

21
00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:34,080
Speaker 3: What's his name?

22
00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:38,879
Speaker 2: My god?

23
00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,319
Speaker 3: Kimothy Guidner, doctor.

24
00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:50,080
Speaker 2: Joseph Farrell, and he was on the interview with a

25
00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:55,479
dark journalist, and his take on the the Cump candidacy

26
00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,080
is rather interesting, saying that it's part of it's a

27
00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:02,960
his his whole ambassy is being pushed by one faction

28
00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,240
of the elite to well, at first to ensure Hillary's

29
00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,520
election and now to prevent her election. There's been some changing,

30
00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,840
I mean, of course of speculation, but that somehow people

31
00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:19,199
within the elite have gotten Trump to run and now

32
00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,719
this this sort of this deep state revolution against Hillary

33
00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,199
is now a reflection of that sort of backstage intrigue.

34
00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:28,759
So I thought that was interesting.

35
00:03:29,879 --> 00:03:33,240
Speaker 3: Well, I saw one of the Podesta emails includes a

36
00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,599
dinner plan with Marina Abramovich, who is the witch that

37
00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:41,159
inspires Lady Gaga, and the dinner is supposed to include

38
00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:45,719
spirit cooking. There's a video where Marina Abraviovich explains what

39
00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,680
spirit cooking is and she utilizes pig blood, human semen,

40
00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:55,719
and breast milk. So that would suggest even a cult

41
00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,240
involvement on top of the pedophilia elements that have been

42
00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,039
coming out in the past couple days.

43
00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:03,599
Speaker 2: And of course that would conflict with the Podesta's claims

44
00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:05,479
of being a faithful Catholic.

45
00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:07,919
Speaker 4: It would seem to.

46
00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,479
Speaker 3: But I was surprised to see that I didn't.

47
00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,919
Speaker 4: I was somebody talking about that.

48
00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:13,639
Speaker 2: I thought.

49
00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,560
Speaker 3: I mean, on the one hand, I should have been

50
00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:17,560
like yeah, obviously, but then I was also like, no,

51
00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,000
surely not. But yeah, there is a dinner with Podesta

52
00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,399
and Marina Abramovich and they talk about spirit cooking and

53
00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,519
if you don't believe me, watch your Marina's video explaining

54
00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,720
what spirit cooking is.

55
00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:30,959
Speaker 2: Wow.

56
00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,680
Speaker 3: Okay, it just straight up basically, it's just straight up

57
00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,360
witchcraft and you know, kind of voodoo type stuff.

58
00:04:37,639 --> 00:04:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well he is a member of the Trilateral Commission,

59
00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,959
and you know, when you get into these elite circles

60
00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,560
of course with your research, and you know what I've

61
00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,720
come to learn that's again, it's not too shocking once

62
00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,079
you're aware of that dimension too. Yeah, politics, you know,

63
00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,279
so it's like bohemian grove, you know, once you exactly

64
00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:00,439
you know.

65
00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:04,160
Speaker 3: And this whole thing, the whole Epstein thing, it all

66
00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,360
seems to be a giant sort of blackmail thing that

67
00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,040
is really no different than what we've seen with Franklin

68
00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,040
cover up and the whole stories of Johnny Gosh and

69
00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:17,639
the manor in England where am I five was surveilling

70
00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:20,399
and blackmailing, and they had you know, Ted Heath and

71
00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:24,600
all these people that were coming to this callboy house

72
00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:29,680
in England, with save of course being connected to as

73
00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,920
I understand Epstein and all these characters.

74
00:05:32,519 --> 00:05:34,319
Speaker 2: And it's almost like we get a glimpse that then

75
00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,759
the investigation is shut down. And the reason why we

76
00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,120
can only get a glimpse because a full I think

77
00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,279
a full reckoning or a full investigation would open up

78
00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,879
a whole can of worms and maybe reveal too much

79
00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:50,879
about the true nature of the system. You know so

80
00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,759
well for right now you just concluded a Tragy Nope

81
00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,959
lecture seven. Of course, last time we talked we covered

82
00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,399
lectures four or five, and and we covered the well

83
00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:05,720
the rise of the European banking houses and the eventual

84
00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,759
primacy of the Rothschild banking house, the intrigues at the

85
00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:11,160
Atlantis's powers and the inter war period, and how their

86
00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,040
dual policy of appeasing and then demonizing Hiler was sort

87
00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,040
of a dialectic created to fermenta yet another war in Europe,

88
00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,720
World War two, because you and this was this was

89
00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:24,519
a part of a process of doing way with sort

90
00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:28,040
of this three block stage and sort of creating a

91
00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:30,120
two block or bipolar war. This was the Cold War,

92
00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,480
and this what you focus on on Lecture seven when

93
00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:34,879
you deal with the rise of the military industrial complex,

94
00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,879
the Cold War, the espionage apparatus, and the sciat that

95
00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:42,439
is nuclear terra, as well as the identity as you

96
00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,399
call the identity of the real illuminati. So how do

97
00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:48,199
you want to get into this?

98
00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:56,680
Speaker 3: Of course, it starts in the background of the chapter

99
00:06:58,079 --> 00:07:02,560
that quickly titled the New Age and rationalization and science

100
00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:09,439
and scientism relativism in the physical sense, which of course

101
00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:15,199
is connected to relativism in the philosophic sense as well. Darwinism, Marx,

102
00:07:15,279 --> 00:07:20,240
and Freud are all listed by Quickling that chapter as

103
00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,720
founding fathers of the modern world. And this is interesting

104
00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:28,920
because we know Quickly is onto something because it echoes

105
00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:32,920
writings that we've seen that I've delved into and other

106
00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,040
geopolitical analysts that might not be as well known, like

107
00:07:37,079 --> 00:07:41,399
Oswald Spangler or his student Francis Parker. Yaki Yacki's book

108
00:07:41,399 --> 00:07:45,759
Imperium has a whole chapter on well, actually separate chapters

109
00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:48,920
on Darwin, Marx, and Freud as kind of the fathers

110
00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:52,839
of modernity, and I think those shifts once again come.

111
00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,800
Speaker 4: To the foe as setting the stage for the rise of.

112
00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,240
Speaker 3: What Quickly's talking about here with the military industrial complex,

113
00:07:59,319 --> 00:08:04,360
the deep state, the private defense contractors, the research and

114
00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:08,319
development labs that are all set up Lincoln Labs, MI

115
00:08:08,519 --> 00:08:14,680
t Rand Corporation, which is a started curtisil May Air Force.

116
00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,759
We know as well that also under the ages of

117
00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,839
the Air Force is NASA. So NASA is actually going

118
00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,240
to play into this too, because we're gonna see and

119
00:08:25,279 --> 00:08:25,839
this is going.

120
00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,680
Speaker 4: To be part of the next lecture that I do.

121
00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,279
Speaker 3: The tie in between the space race, the missile race,

122
00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:39,799
and the shifting of American philosophy basically as a kind

123
00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,240
of outworking of the scientistic deep state.

124
00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:44,960
Speaker 4: And as Quickly.

125
00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:50,600
Speaker 3: Says pretty clearly, it's all based on pragmatism, it's all

126
00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:54,320
based on empiricism, all those philosophical ideas that you and

127
00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:57,360
I have already kind of highlighted in the background. And

128
00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,159
it was a deep state even then that had a

129
00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,080
dual policy, to use the words of both the Chamberlain

130
00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,120
and now Hillary Clinton in her emails mentioning a dual policy,

131
00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,720
if a private policy towards the bankers and Goldman Sachs

132
00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,879
that she gave her talks to and a different policy

133
00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,360
for the public idiots out there. And it's no different

134
00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:24,919
with our technocratic rulers that were all prepped by World

135
00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:30,679
War two. And what we have is this sudden new threat. Okay,

136
00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,799
it's almost like the threat has to be upped. The

137
00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,440
ante has to be upped every time. Right, So the

138
00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,480
warfare World War One, the dangers and the terrors that

139
00:09:42,519 --> 00:09:45,279
we all went through, well not we, I guess our

140
00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,320
grandparents or whatever great grandparents.

141
00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,080
Speaker 4: That has to be settled. We have to.

142
00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:57,279
Speaker 3: We have to take precautions through a second World war

143
00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,360
to avoid the dangers of World War One, right, and

144
00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:04,840
then after World War Two we have to take new

145
00:10:04,919 --> 00:10:08,559
precautions to avoid the dangers of everything that we saw

146
00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,000
in World War two, which was the threat of the

147
00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:13,960
entire planet being engulfed in the war because of nukes

148
00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:19,840
and so again nukes, space race, weapons race, it's all connected.

149
00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,159
And quickly is going to say that in the next

150
00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,519
lecture that I do, of course, but for now, I

151
00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,159
thought that that one of the most important chapters in

152
00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,399
the book, besides perhaps the chapter that I covered this time,

153
00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,279
dealing with the Cliveden set and the Anglo American establishment

154
00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,759
that he kind of lays out Morgan Chase, the different bankers,

155
00:10:40,799 --> 00:10:44,639
Walter Lippmann, these characters that Wall Street characters that were

156
00:10:44,879 --> 00:10:48,480
part of this Eastern establishment, the New York establishment tied

157
00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:52,440
to London. Is this chapter on the New Age because

158
00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,720
it's very prophetic. It talks about AI, it talks about transhumanism,

159
00:10:57,759 --> 00:11:02,159
it talks about cybernetics, talks about as we said, Ran

160
00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,279
Corporation is basically the merchants of death Right and the

161
00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,879
rise of game theory. We talked about all that last time,

162
00:11:08,919 --> 00:11:10,960
but that is you have to understand that to be

163
00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,200
the background to Manhattan Project and doctor Edward Teller, who's

164
00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,000
also of course the father of geoengineering or aerosol spray

165
00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:25,840
atmospheric aerosol spring programs. He's known for that. But curiously

166
00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:32,919
there's these little slip in comments by Quickly that the

167
00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,240
Alexander Sachs and Bernard Baruk is who's behind setting up

168
00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:41,159
this UN plan for the Security Council. So the whole point,

169
00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:43,679
the whole origin of the UN Security Council comes out

170
00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,799
of this and the need and desire to watch dog

171
00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:53,000
all of the global nuke networks, the nukes that are

172
00:11:53,039 --> 00:11:55,559
out there everywhere. All the Russians have nukes now too,

173
00:11:56,039 --> 00:12:01,279
by the forties, right, So it's fear, fear of fear,

174
00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,759
fear of fear, and a lot of other curious statements

175
00:12:04,759 --> 00:12:09,679
about the project itself, highly compartmentalized. Only about a dozen

176
00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,720
persons quickly says on page fifty six actually knew what

177
00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:17,840
the program was as a whole. So it's, in my opinion,

178
00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:22,039
that's very difficult, you know, looking back on history to

179
00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:24,639
know exactly what was going on here. You know, to

180
00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,480
what degree are the nukes really a threat? Are there

181
00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:32,440
really all these black network are these black market nukes

182
00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,159
out there? I mean, I would say I'm skeptical, but

183
00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,960
just because I don't know how to prove that. I mean,

184
00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,960
obviously you can't just go on these you know, thirty

185
00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,840
forty fifty year old images of what appeared to be explosions.

186
00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,960
Those could be anything. Just like I don't think that

187
00:12:49,039 --> 00:12:52,240
the original Moon images are legitimate, and I think that

188
00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,159
if you read Dave McGowan's book Wagging the Moondoggie, it's

189
00:12:55,159 --> 00:12:59,919
pretty laughable to try to prop those images up as legitimate.

190
00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:03,960
That also, however, isn't really a statement on what the

191
00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,840
real technology is. I don't know, And I think that

192
00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,000
that's kind of the point, is that they would use

193
00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:13,080
a lot of this imagery and fear right the same

194
00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,120
stuff with NASA, just like with the bombs and the

195
00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,159
nukes as a means to I mean, it's all perception management.

196
00:13:21,159 --> 00:13:23,879
So if you can get everybody thinking it's real, then

197
00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:27,440
who cares is you don't even really need it. Quickly

198
00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:30,919
also mentions curious statements, as I said before, about some

199
00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,519
of the atomic spying stories being faked, the FBI and

200
00:13:34,519 --> 00:13:38,480
Hollywood working together on that I mentioned before. I've got

201
00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,879
a section in my book too on the FBI story

202
00:13:40,919 --> 00:13:46,279
with Jimmy Stewart right playing this role the movie that

203
00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:50,679
was made in tandem with Jagger. Hoover now Quickly doesn't

204
00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,559
say that all the espionage was fake. He says that

205
00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,799
a lot of it was hyped up. And he also

206
00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,679
mentions the right wing in America and he of course

207
00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,519
makes fun of them, and he says that these neo

208
00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,679
isolations are all backwards idiots and goofballs. And then main

209
00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,600
reason he thinks that is because they haven't seen that

210
00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:13,759
there are people behind this are not ultimately the Comies.

211
00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:20,159
It's not ultimately Russians, it's the Atlantics. It's the elite

212
00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,559
in this country who wanted this, and so quickly basically

213
00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,720
says that right now. He doesn't say that there's no

214
00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:36,679
actual opposition in Russia. He supports the argument that Stalin

215
00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,879
refused the Marshall plan aid and that this is the

216
00:14:38,879 --> 00:14:41,960
beginning of the Cold War. That is, in fact, is

217
00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,399
where he dates the beginning of the Cold War. But

218
00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:49,720
I think what is most telling is also statements about,

219
00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,480
excuse me, Hollywood nuke propaganda on page eight seventy five. So,

220
00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,480
and I've watched a bunch of bad movies from that period,

221
00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:01,919
and there's you know, you see it everywhere. You know,

222
00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:04,600
everybody's got these bomb shelters, and everybody's afraid of nukes,

223
00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,960
and you know, you stop dropping a roll again on

224
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,519
your desk or something like, that's gonna stop a nuke

225
00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:16,600
incinerating you. But I'm not saying that. I think ICBMs

226
00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,200
are real. Obviously, I think they really are intercontinental ballistic missiles.

227
00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,679
But as to whether they are tipped with a mega

228
00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,200
weapon that can cut the planet in half, I'm suspicious,

229
00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,240
But I don't know, there's a lot of different angles

230
00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:34,080
to go on this, but I think what's most interesting is,

231
00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:36,240
you know, he does talk about John Birch Society on

232
00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:40,559
page eight eighty two or something akin to it. I

233
00:15:40,559 --> 00:15:43,759
can't remember if he actually he basically talks about mccarthy'sm

234
00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:47,000
and he's talking about the anti communist movements and how Dulles,

235
00:15:47,039 --> 00:15:50,600
who was kind of spearheading a lot of that, was

236
00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,960
at the same time, you know, a deep state player, right,

237
00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,320
John Foster Dulles, and of course later on his brother Alan,

238
00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:01,399
and so the Dulles brothers, as we know from other

239
00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,720
books as well, you know that they're they're not real

240
00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:09,679
quote anti communists. They're part of this setting the stage

241
00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,080
for the Cold War and provoking and continuing the Cold War.

242
00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:16,879
Speaker 4: And you know, if if if we if.

243
00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:19,159
Speaker 3: There really wanted to not be a Cold War, they

244
00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,639
wanted to put it into this, then they wouldn't have

245
00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:26,039
have done what they did at Yalta in Potsdam, you know,

246
00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:28,360
they wouldn't have handed over a third of the world

247
00:16:28,399 --> 00:16:33,679
to through the Communist block. And that was all painted

248
00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,240
as if there's all these reds in the US government. Well,

249
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,919
there probably were a lot of people who could imbibe

250
00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,559
this the this, this liberalism, and quickly talks about that

251
00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:44,720
at the Institute for Pacific Relations and so forth. But

252
00:16:44,759 --> 00:16:49,240
when we stopped for a moment and recall that Mao

253
00:16:49,879 --> 00:16:52,200
was apparently a Yali, a Yale in China, and that

254
00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:55,440
the oss Is who trained his gorillas and and Donovan

255
00:16:55,519 --> 00:16:58,879
set up this buy networks throughout China, we start to

256
00:16:58,919 --> 00:17:01,279
realize that that's she had at the angle of the

257
00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,480
Cold War that was fake and staged and manufactured. And

258
00:17:05,559 --> 00:17:09,519
as you pointed out, David Rockefeller could he could fly

259
00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,480
into Moscow. In Mark Rockefeller's own memoirs, he traces the

260
00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:18,039
establishment of Chase Bank, that was the first bank in

261
00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:22,960
communist China. Everybody also is probably aware in this audience

262
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,359
at least of the nineteen seventy three editorial from a

263
00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,920
China Traveler World where Dave Rockefeller praises MAU as the

264
00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,039
great social experiment.

265
00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:40,039
Speaker 4: So there's no reel at that level opposition. There is

266
00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:42,039
the need.

267
00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:47,920
Speaker 3: For this appearance of the godless, godless East and you know,

268
00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:54,119
the godly West, which is again propaganda. So there's just

269
00:17:54,279 --> 00:17:59,119
there's That's what comes to my mind right off the bat.

270
00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,920
But I noticed another point I'll make too a contradiction

271
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,839
if we look back at the bomb question. Quiggly, on

272
00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:13,920
the one hand, says that Oppenheimer was not a great

273
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,960
scientist of the class of Einstein Born Fermi on page

274
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,200
eight to eighty five, but he calls him a cultural

275
00:18:20,759 --> 00:18:27,640
critic and specifically adept at literature and music. Now, about

276
00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:30,480
two hundred pages later, he says the exact opposite and

277
00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,400
says that Oppenheimer was the genius behind the Manhattan Project

278
00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,920
and a great scientist. So what I what I've noticed

279
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,720
going through this and making so many notes, is that

280
00:18:39,839 --> 00:18:42,480
Quiggly's not consistent with himself. He'll say all kinds of

281
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,400
things that don't really line up. And that's probably because

282
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,359
the book was has to have been written over, you know,

283
00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,400
a long period of time. Nobody could you don't slap

284
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:55,079
this book out in a few few months, right, yeah, Hello, yeah, Okay.

285
00:18:54,839 --> 00:18:55,920
Speaker 4: I didn't know if he were still there.

286
00:18:56,279 --> 00:19:00,000
Speaker 3: So, you know, there's a lot of contradictions in quick

287
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,079
there's a lot of statements that don't make sense, even

288
00:19:02,079 --> 00:19:03,920
about the nukes, which is what you know where we're

289
00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:10,079
at now, and so I almost think it's very reblatory.

290
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,839
But because it's an apologetic book, and because it's you know,

291
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,599
intended for a certain academic, professional government class of audience.

292
00:19:20,279 --> 00:19:25,640
Even this book is a limited revelation because, for example,

293
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,240
the chapters I was just recently reviewing about Castro and

294
00:19:29,279 --> 00:19:32,440
Cuba and Bay of Pigs, you don't get anything like

295
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,480
the analysis that you get from Servondo Gonzalez on that topic,

296
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,640
who I think is very insightful. You get a lot

297
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,920
of well, the CIA just bungled this, They just totally

298
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,480
messed up. And granted, maybe that was because you know,

299
00:19:44,599 --> 00:19:47,759
Quigley's writing this right around the time of Bad Pigs,

300
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:53,240
so you know, it's a complex book, and I think

301
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,519
Quiggly was maybe Quigley was even aware of his own contradictions.

302
00:19:57,559 --> 00:20:00,160
Speaker 2: Who knows how far are you go?

303
00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. That's a that's a better way

304
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:03,359
to put it.

305
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,440
Speaker 2: Because there's a I had an interview last year with

306
00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:10,279
Kevin Cole about the article in the Washington Post by

307
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,240
I think Rudy Maxa was the reporter and the title

308
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,119
of the article was the Professor that knew too much,

309
00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:19,480
and Kevin Cole's analysis of it was the article that

310
00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:22,400
said too little and he didn't know what questions to

311
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,319
ask what quickly was saying in an interview if you

312
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,079
could didn't have to read through the lines. Yeah, obviously

313
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,000
suggested if her were to reveal too much, he'd be threatened,

314
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,920
whether his career or his life or something, and he asked,

315
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,519
he asked reporter to turn the tape off.

316
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:37,799
Speaker 3: You know.

317
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 2: Then he talks about his illustration with the publisher of

318
00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:43,000
his books regarding the plates, and you've talked about that before.

319
00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:46,799
The whole thing was the book suppressed? And well the

320
00:20:47,519 --> 00:20:50,240
owner of the publisher and book was Churse, would the

321
00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:52,599
owner of the publishing house? Can you can trace it

322
00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:56,119
back to Chatham House? And this whole the road circle,

323
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,480
so you know, he was probably aware of how far

324
00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:04,200
he could go, and also probably his own bias. I

325
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,359
guess what he's writing about, But I did one thing.

326
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,799
You mentioned the Manhattan Project, and you bring up Oppenheimer,

327
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,799
the fact that he wasn't really a technical person. He

328
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,079
was which you think this would be highly technical. You know,

329
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,759
he as the administrator of the Manhattan Project.

330
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he says several times that the people actually running

331
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:30,039
the project were not scientists, bankers, and yeah, administrate people, bureaucrats.

332
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 4: And then you have these.

333
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 3: Compartmentalized scientists who quickly says, don't really know what was

334
00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:35,359
the whole project was.

335
00:21:35,519 --> 00:21:38,839
Speaker 2: And you and quickly he talks either was it quickly?

336
00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:41,079
He wrote, some of the sciences are very skeptical about

337
00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:42,720
the success of the project.

338
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,079
Speaker 3: He says that they all doubted it, just like the moon.

339
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,480
He mentions the Moon by the way. He says that

340
00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:52,519
scientists are doubtful, you know, the possibility of going to

341
00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:52,880
the moon.

342
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the visionaries and the pr guys were saying, oh,

343
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,119
we can do this, like Kennedy saying we'll go to

344
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,759
the Moon at the end of the decade, and we'll

345
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:01,440
do We'll do it because it's hard or whatever, all

346
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,960
the political rhetoric, but that the technical people saying, wait

347
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,319
a seconds, Easier said than done. And well, that's interesting

348
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,039
because with like the Manhattan Project, it's like NASA. I

349
00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:16,119
was looking at NASA's first administrator, this guy Thomas Glennon,

350
00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:19,400
and he came from motion picture industry.

351
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,559
Speaker 3: There you go, this is what we start seeing pretty consistently.

352
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,160
Is this a very strange revolving door that is not

353
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,920
the field that you would expect, such as science or

354
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,000
physics or engineering.

355
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he moved from like motion picture I think paramount

356
00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:39,680
to Samuel Golden Studios, then to like aviation, and who

357
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,839
knows at that level what you're involved in, because I

358
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,640
think at that point with aviation that you're you're you're

359
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,720
getting into the deep state, the military military industrial complex,

360
00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:50,000
and maybe you would be involved in some sort of

361
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,200
PSIOP or fakery.

362
00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely that John Adams over at Hostbusters actually dug

363
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:03,839
up a great or article on the jet propulsion Laboratory

364
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,440
in southern California. Yes, and it's connection to Hollywood, believe

365
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:08,920
it or not.

366
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 2: In many other things.

367
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, but but this this backs up that the

368
00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:17,359
Hollywood connection that you're talking about. And I believe the

369
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,559
it's called it's by Peter J. Westwick, and this is

370
00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:24,880
a it's a chapter in some academic book, but it's

371
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,000
about the societal impact of JPL, and I believe that's

372
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,359
the one where he reconnects it to Yeah, so there's

373
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,559
a lot of mentions of different films that would reflect

374
00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:40,920
JPL and how the films would later and things like

375
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,279
IMAX would later be connected directly to to NASA and

376
00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,000
promoting NASA and all this stuff and CBS's role with

377
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,319
NASA a very close connection there.

378
00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:51,759
Speaker 4: So if you can.

379
00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 3: Find that that that paper that John Adams dug up

380
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,759
great research on part it's called the Jet Proposion Laboratory

381
00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:01,880
in Southern California, but Peter Jay Westwick and I would

382
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,119
imagine it can be found online. But but yeah, you're

383
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,559
absolutely right. And that's why even now we see I

384
00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:10,319
can't remember who I mentioned this too, but I think

385
00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:12,279
I added it to my book right before the Yeah,

386
00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:15,279
I did, right before I had to finish the sidebars. Well,

387
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,799
James Cameron is on the board of NASA's Mars project,

388
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,759
not just as some camera guy, but as an advisor. Now,

389
00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:29,720
James Cameron is not an astronaut. Well, we all know

390
00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:33,680
what James Cameron does. He makes movies, so yes, I

391
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,720
think that's pretty telling.

392
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: He sinks Titanics and he creates h you know, well

393
00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:42,799
CGI stuff and all that.

394
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: So he's also a big promoter of aliens.

395
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, which again again you're getting into some sort of

396
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,119
there's a crossover blending of well of you know, of

397
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:04,440
these supposed governmental the national security bureaucracies and and well

398
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,240
you could say either entertainment or propaganda or some sort

399
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,359
of you know, psychological operation.

400
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 3: Going on there. Mm hmmm uh.

401
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: And if you talk about the tie in the links here,

402
00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:23,559
I think was it back in the early two thousands

403
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,640
when NASA admitted or claimed that it lost all the

404
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,920
original footage of the moon landing, the high quality footage,

405
00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:32,599
And was it because of Ron Howard was trying to

406
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,279
do a high depth anniversary of the moonshot or something,

407
00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:39,680
and that's when they said they don't have it anymore.

408
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,559
He tried to get ahold of the high quality footage.

409
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,079
If I don't know if I have that.

410
00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 3: Writer or not, well, I think there was some connection

411
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,920
to that movie he did to Paula. And that movie

412
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:58,759
is based on the movie that NASA told everybody because

413
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:00,559
if that movie is termed, well, by the way, it's

414
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,079
really boring. But it's supposed to be this, you know,

415
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,400
everybody on the edge of their seats waiting to see

416
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,880
if these astronauts can get back.

417
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 4: And you stop and.

418
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 3: Think about it, and you realize, oh, this is a

419
00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:12,559
completely you know, a movie script.

420
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: Even the movie is about. However, it's kind of by night.

421
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,920
By the spring of nineteen seventy, people aren't or bored

422
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,319
with the with the with the Apollo program.

423
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, That's a great point that Dave Gallen makes

424
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,480
in his book, is that it had to keep kind

425
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:29,160
of upping the ante and making the stuff a little

426
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,160
more sensational because people were kind of like.

427
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by seventy two, they're playing golf on the moon.

428
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:38,319
Speaker 3: Right, which I pointed out I think is the most

429
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,960
laughable preposterous. I thought we were supposed to be worried

430
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,799
about danger and life and death, and but no, we're

431
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:46,839
such badasses that we play golf on the moon.

432
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a doom buggy by the way, So yeah.

433
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 3: How'd they get there? Right? Page eight ninety four and

434
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,119
eight ninety five outlined the very thing we're talking about

435
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,319
quickly says the Atomic Energy Commission functioned as it function

436
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,279
was a disappointment to the scientists because they sought freedom

437
00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:11,200
from military influence, reduced emphasis of military uses of nuclear fission,

438
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,680
free dissemination of theoretical research. They failed on all these points.

439
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:20,559
The AEC operated largely in terms of weapons research and production,

440
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,720
and remained extravagantly secret even on all these theoretical matters.

441
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:28,519
And because of the scientific ignorance of most of the

442
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:32,400
people running it, the commissioners, it was inevitably dominated by

443
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,519
its Scientific Advisory Committee. Of this is Quigley's own quote,

444
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:43,599
official scientists. So he's saying what I was saying earlier.

445
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,359
Then that's page eight ninety four, and then he talks

446
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:51,160
about Bernard Barut setting up the plan for the UN

447
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,119
Security Council. Now we know as well. I think the

448
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,119
Collins brothers have written on this to the aq con.

449
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: Network super weapon article.

450
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is connected to the CIA.

451
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 3: And I did some research on my own a few

452
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,720
years ago on that, and you start to realize, oh,

453
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,759
this is all kind of run by Western intelligence. What

454
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,359
exactly it is, I'm not positive, but it starts to

455
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,079
look like the same means and methods by which black

456
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,960
market arms and drugs are run. So I'm just throwing

457
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:24,200
ideas out here.

458
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they managed to create a dialectic to well

459
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:31,799
to get money, I guess, to get to you to

460
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,440
able to collect proceeds from briberries, all types of illegal

461
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:39,279
arms dealing. There's tons of money involved in that, right

462
00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:42,920
you know. And we got a glimpse into that from

463
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,519
our n contra. Yeah you know. And that the private networks,

464
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,200
right that come from that, like Ted Shackley, Cleins and

465
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,319
Ed Wilson in the late seventies early eighties.

466
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we got a glimpse as well in the

467
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,359
last couple of years with the big banks being outed

468
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,799
as laundering Mexican cartail drug money m HM.

469
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: And just recently HSBC I think paid at one point

470
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,799
dollars fine. Of course they probably made a hundred billion

471
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,480
doing it, but.

472
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, yeah, and then who they pay

473
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:13,880
it to?

474
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: That's another thing is you hear reports of these fines

475
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,920
and no one ever really fought does a fault? Was

476
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,759
thatthing ever paid?

477
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:20,839
Speaker 4: Yeah?

478
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: And if it was, who did it go to?

479
00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 5: Exactly?

480
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:28,079
Speaker 3: But one thing, you go ahead.

481
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: Sorry, you're about to make a point.

482
00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:37,119
Speaker 3: Sorry about the sneeze the You're gonna have to edit this.

483
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:43,759
Speaker 2: I guess there you go.

484
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: What were we talking about?

485
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: UH?

486
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:50,359
Speaker 3: Nukes networks?

487
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:51,839
Speaker 4: Let's see here.

488
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:56,039
Speaker 3: So he jumps from that Atomic Energy Commission and all

489
00:29:56,079 --> 00:30:03,440
that straight into the the UH it's subject of cold

490
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,720
war and nuclear rivalry, and then stalinm Yeah, and this

491
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,880
is kind of these cold war war games that are

492
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,119
played out and the Marshall plan is rejected. This is

493
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,160
where he says the nineteen forty seven is the beginning

494
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,720
of the Cold war, and Germany is of course split

495
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:25,039
in half, East and West Germany. I want to point

496
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:28,119
out too that the East German flag is a Masonic

497
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:34,119
compass for those that don't know, just a coincidence, just

498
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,400
a coincidence, right, just supposed to represent engineering. I'm sure.

499
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: Now the Germans are you know of engineering?

500
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,839
Speaker 3: Also not present in Quigley is the aid to malt

501
00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:49,480
So And that might be because even though you can

502
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:53,759
probably find that in books prior to this time, that

503
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:57,480
wasn't declassified by the CAA until you know, fourteen thirteen,

504
00:30:57,519 --> 00:30:58,279
forty years ago.

505
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,119
Speaker 2: It was suspected because they're people who claim that people

506
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,440
like Marshall had sold China out and lost China to

507
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,079
the communists. And there was obviously evidence of a communist

508
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:09,039
conspiracy inside of the US government, which goes back to

509
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:16,039
McCarthyism and how people had identified, uh, you know, a

510
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,480
group working against the perceived interests of the United States

511
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,680
and they immediately thought they were communists. But really, as

512
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,720
you point out, they weren't communists. They're well, they were,

513
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,960
but that's only one level. A higher level. These people

514
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,440
were being controlled yeah, by you know, mal was a communist, right,

515
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,440
but Mao was a communist supported by the West.

516
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: And that's why quickly makes fun of the Birchers and

517
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,480
the right wingers and the nationalists is he thinks, he says,

518
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,599
more or less, you're all backwards and redneck and stupid,

519
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,039
and you couldn't figure out who's behind the Institute for

520
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,920
Pacific Relations and who's behind the Rockabeller Foundation and all

521
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,160
this stuff. Right, So then we get this expansion on

522
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,680
the part of the US of the Truman doctrine, which

523
00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:59,599
is the idea of containment, and this is aid to

524
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,279
the NATS to control them, which we still live under now.

525
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:06,039
Obviously the right we Israel, Columbia, Egypt. These are the

526
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:10,359
top beneficiaries of the USAID that we know. And this

527
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:11,319
goes back.

528
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 4: To the Marshall Plan.

529
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,559
Speaker 3: And again that's what those who believe that the degree

530
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:19,359
of reality to the Cold War on the part of

531
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,160
Stalin dates from the period, as I said, of the

532
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:26,400
rejection of the Marshall Plan aid. But this is precisely

533
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,440
nineteen forty seven is crucial because this is where we

534
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,640
at the rise of the security state and the intelligence

535
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,200
state of apparatus the NSSA and National Security Act, and

536
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,480
then the creation of the CIA and then the creation

537
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:44,799
of the NSSA in National Security Agency. So this is

538
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:48,799
where we get Cold War spy culture right from this

539
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:51,880
whole apparatus. And I want to add that the fiction

540
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:56,599
was a big part of that. In fact, John Adams

541
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:59,359
also dug up a very interesting essay I can't remember

542
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:00,839
the title of it. He found it at c i

543
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,559
A dot gov and it was on the relationship between

544
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,359
spy fiction and real spy stuff. And the article is

545
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,039
basically saying that a lot of the stories that you

546
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:15,200
hear about spies are are fictional, and then the fiction

547
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:20,000
plays into giving everybody the perception of there being moles

548
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,680
everywhere and all this. Now, that doesn't mean there are

549
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,599
no moles, and it doesn't mean that there aren't real

550
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,960
situations where people you know, actually engage.

551
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:31,039
Speaker 2: In chates the meme. Yeah, right, and this is why

552
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:33,680
you know people like well, you know, people like the

553
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:37,640
James Bond novels, right exactly, and you know, and uh,

554
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:43,160
also what's his name? Howard Hunt, absolutely a novelist. And

555
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,359
there's also Womouf Buckley scalling Bone, say Wim Buckley with

556
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,279
with Blackford Oaks his character.

557
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, William Somerset and Malcolm you know he wrote, Yeah,

558
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,119
spy novels based on his stuff, but.

559
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: All the all the best spy novels are like actual

560
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,279
spies exactly. Yeah, you made the point regarding you know,

561
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:06,720
what's his name, the bomb guy who the guy who

562
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,639
wrote the Bond novels, flem Ian Fleming.

563
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,079
Speaker 3: I mean his pedigree, Oh yeah, I mean it's total cyops,

564
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,760
total friends with all the banking elite, you know, and.

565
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,679
Speaker 2: The predictive pro revelations in the Bond novels regarding in

566
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,360
the true nature of the of the international elite, and

567
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:25,480
you know how.

568
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: It absolutely.

569
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,039
Speaker 2: Well.

570
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say that the controversial I don't

571
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,280
know what you would know a lot about this field

572
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:39,199
the question of the American Communist Party, and that basically

573
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:45,840
dwindling from Quickly says seventy five thousand and nineteen forty

574
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,280
five and fell down to three thousand by nineteen sixty.

575
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,480
So we're still being told in nineteen sixty, fifty nine

576
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:55,639
to sixty of the threat of all the commedis. But

577
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,599
according to Quickly, by nineteen sixty there were only three

578
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:00,519
thousand members of the Communist Party. But I guess they

579
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,239
argument would be all they're all hidden, secret communists.

580
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,679
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, moles and you know, fit columnists.

581
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:08,559
Speaker 3: But the way they achieved all this was not a

582
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:12,519
secret party. It was the gradual alteration of the culture.

583
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:13,599
I think.

584
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean, obviously the cultural Marxist the gender

585
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,719
is far more successful than the than the Marxist Leninist

586
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,159
political model. And even that, I think is is that's

587
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:28,159
been controlled at a higher level. I mean, I don't

588
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,079
know if the cultural Marxists, people at the Frankft School

589
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:34,440
who are largely Jewish are aware that maybe they're being

590
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:37,519
utilized you know by you know, by you know, by

591
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:42,119
the by the Atlantis, but the powers. But that's a

592
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:44,480
part of it. That's like maybe they get goes back

593
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:48,280
to the Russian Revolution, right, it appears that the Anglo

594
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,480
the Atlantis scheme against Russia, you know, with the be

595
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:57,239
Kinder doctrine, how they utilize a lot of Jews because

596
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,280
they have a they have a gripe against Russia, and

597
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,559
so this ethnic group can be very useful, you know,

598
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,400
to them. It's particularly if they're finding people like Untemayer

599
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:11,440
and Jacob Schiff and the Wahlberg and things like that. Yes,

600
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,039
you know whose brother Max was of course was a

601
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:18,280
German financier Max Warburg. Yeah. So, And of course that's

602
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,480
an interesting quote by his son in the Senate in

603
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:25,960
the nineteen nineteen fifty where he he's testifying for the

604
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,239
Senate and he says, I think, yeah, here it is

605
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,519
February seventeen, nineteen fifty, James Paul Wahlberg confident declared to the

606
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:36,280
United States Senate, we should have world government, whether or

607
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,320
not we like it. The only question is whether world

608
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,039
government will be achieved by conquest or consent. H That's

609
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,400
because he was the son of Paul Moritz Wahlberg and

610
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,360
the nephew of both Felix Wahlberg and Jacob Schiff, both

611
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,519
associated with kun Loeban Company Wall Street, and this was

612
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:53,719
sort of like the Jewish faction, you know, which played

613
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,880
a big part in America's entry to the war, because

614
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,679
that factors into the Zionis project and the ball for Declaration,

615
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,559
you know, so exactly.

616
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: And also to tie it back into Hollywood, the anti communists,

617
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,480
the Red Threat, the rise of the Hollywood Ten and

618
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:21,320
the investigations into Hollywood and the idea that the screenwriters

619
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,760
were all going to write propaganda into the films that

620
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,519
would alter the entire perspective of America. Now, some of

621
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:34,000
them were, but the idea that this was the real threat,

622
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,400
I think is again exaggerated. And I wonder if some

623
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,199
of these people weren't playing along with it. I don't

624
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:42,119
have any proof of that, but I read a couple

625
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:45,000
of books actually that dealt just with the subject of

626
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,119
the Hollywood ten. And now I'm not saying all these

627
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,880
Hollywood liberal types. Obviously they probably did believe in it,

628
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,360
but is it really the threat that the FBI was

629
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,840
saying it was? And they, again, they don't mind everybody

630
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,199
thinking that the threat is these moles everywhere and all

631
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,559
these people in Hollywood, as long as you don't ever

632
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:12,079
look at Wall Street and the Institute for Pacific Relations

633
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:15,360
or the Rockefeller Foundation or the Ford Foundation, or the

634
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,679
groups that actually were promoting even back then, beginning to

635
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:24,119
really promote what people call communism or socialism or whatever.

636
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then not investigating perhaps why is Time Life

637
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:30,880
working with the SAG drug culture?

638
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,079
Speaker 3: You know, yes, you know, why is abstract art being

639
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,280
promoted by these elites? Yeah?

640
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,679
Speaker 2: Why is Abby Rockefeller promoting feminism and modern art?

641
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 3: You know?

642
00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:46,119
Speaker 2: Is this the real degradation or you know, the LSD

643
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,480
experiments and things like that we don't get we don't

644
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,000
get those hearing until the seventies, and that's pretty much

645
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,400
a limited hangout. But there's no real no you know,

646
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:56,119
so there's no real showdown like it was with the

647
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:59,880
Hollywood Ten, which is sort of a a cartoonist. Yeah,

648
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,000
very very theatrical, let's just say, which is not surprising

649
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,440
as the Hollywood Ten is very theatrical, right, and it's

650
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,480
played up because now that these people are become martyrs

651
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:12,280
because you Woody Allen makes movies about them and they

652
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,119
become heroes, you know, martyrs for free speech. And you know, uh,

653
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,880
the same faction that was so vihetmamely defended free speech

654
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,079
in the fifties and sixties and now are big advocates

655
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:27,760
of political correctness. You know, they're the ones they're they're

656
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,800
the linguistic fascists to want to contra you know.

657
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, the total flip contradiction.

658
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,119
Speaker 2: Yeah there, Well, I do you mentioned the military industrial

659
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:40,960
complex and you mentioned that he begins writing about it

660
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,239
on nine to eleven, page nine to eleven, any any

661
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,559
numerological significance. I had to laugh when I hear that

662
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,119
America Industrial Complex on page nine to eleven.

663
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 3: Well, probably an unintended reference there, but yeah, that is

664
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,159
the rise of the security state, and obviously the securities,

665
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,400
the elements of the security state in terms of at

666
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,639
least the private side of it, would play a big

667
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:08,559
role in nine to eleven, I would say, And.

668
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: You also mentioned I think you've referred to I'm recording

669
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:22,159
in your lecture referred to Cold War sort of a satire, Uh,

670
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:24,639
the whole thing. No, just I forget reference, but I

671
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:27,079
thought it was interesting because the Cold War itself is

672
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:30,159
a strategy of tension. It's designed to raise fears anxiety

673
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,519
in order to justify the huge expenditures the National security State,

674
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,320
the cryptocracy, National Security Act, the deep state. And what's

675
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,480
one thing that's funny about that is, Chris we have

676
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:43,639
in the in the book the Report from Iron Mountain,

677
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,280
which has been written off as a satire. Well, that's

678
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,360
interesting because we know what we know about satire is

679
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,880
that it's a way of telling the truth about getting killed. Right.

680
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: Well, Doctor Strangelove is yeah, a big example of that

681
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:02,000
because it tells the truth in a way about the

682
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:05,920
Rand Corporation and Curtis Lame and these these different stories

683
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,280
and these tales and the fake atomic spies is mentioned

684
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,679
on the nine to twenty right around the same.

685
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 2: Section, So you're refirmed like some of these Esponazic cases

686
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,800
are sort of a satire. If I'm remembering that correct.

687
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:25,159
Speaker 3: I may have said that exactly.

688
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,679
Speaker 2: But well, I thought it was used was a useful

689
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:31,880
description because well, let's first talk about the report Marie Mountain.

690
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,159
It was published in ninety sixty seven by dial Press,

691
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:38,320
and the book claimed that a special study group of

692
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,000
fifty men whose identities were secret met and they came

693
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:47,800
to the conclusion that war was necessary in order to

694
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,039
maintain power, to maintain social cohesion. And some said, well,

695
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:54,679
this is just a joke. Yeah, but it may be

696
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,199
a joke, but it's but it's reality because if you

697
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:01,480
look at NSC sixty eight and then thinking behind with

698
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,840
with those people among the national security upper echelons of

699
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,719
that security state, this is exactly what they think.

700
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,679
Speaker 3: Yes, but I think I was likening it too. If

701
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:17,159
I recall Doctor Strangelove, And there's a quote on page

702
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:21,960
nine twenty three, the red Conspiracy section, where Quigley says

703
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,280
that a lot of the people who were see he

704
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,920
says much of this evidence came from ex communists such

705
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,480
as Elizabeth Bentley, Louis Baden's, Whittaker Chambers, and John Lautner

706
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:39,679
and others. All these undoubtedly were ex communists and equally

707
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:44,360
undoubtedly revealed much valuable information about Communists conspiracies and roused

708
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,960
the American public to the danger. But it was also

709
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,480
true that it is equally true that the first three

710
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:54,679
names mentioned are known because they dramatized, distorted, and manipulated

711
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:58,960
the evidence for their own purposes. So the stories get

712
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,920
hyped up. And he says us on that page and

713
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:08,679
the three pages prior to that three and if you

714
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:11,880
think about it, to set up all the surveillance state,

715
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,760
which the whole surveillance NSA Internet stuff that we have

716
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,599
now comes out of this, you need this giant threat,

717
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,800
so you need they want the I mean, the McCarthy

718
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,440
even plays his role to frighten everyone in the same

719
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,480
way that nowadays neo cons get on and they talk

720
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:35,880
about al qata and nisis right, I should just gonna

721
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:36,320
get us.

722
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,599
Speaker 2: Yeah right, so yeah, and so yeah, because if you

723
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:42,760
look at even today's surveillance state, which is whether it's

724
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:48,119
the Internet, the digital communications, all these things, the infrastructure

725
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:50,760
for this was established during the culture which developed that

726
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,000
of I guess DARPA.

727
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, harp that darn right.

728
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. And of course the National Security Agency, which no

729
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,760
one really knew existed or at least most people born

730
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,039
to work until about the late eighties or something, right,

731
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:09,559
and they were conducting mass sweeping surveillance, you know, since

732
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:14,079
the fifties, right with telegrams and telephones. And I think

733
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:17,559
you suggested your talk that even before the age of

734
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:21,440
digital communications, they had somehow created a way to conduct

735
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,119
mass surveillance on telephone lines.

736
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 3: Yes, I believe that's mentioned in John Marx's book, that

737
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,519
they had the ability to do that a long time ago.

738
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,280
I think James Bamford mentions it in his nineteen eighty

739
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,039
three Puzzle Palace book that surveillance of telephones has existed

740
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:44,519
almost as long as telephones, obviously depending on the type

741
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:46,800
of recording devices. But you can still listen in even

742
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,199
if you didn't have a fontograph or whatever and get

743
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:56,199
the information, according to Bamford. Yeah. Now, another curious element

744
00:44:56,599 --> 00:45:01,000
is that the Irackefeller Project mentioned on Pay nine, twenty six,

745
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,800
to send a group of American nuclear scientists to work

746
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:11,480
with Russian nuclear scientists. Yeah, wouldn't that be a little

747
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:15,920
dangerous to do? I mean, might we might if the

748
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:18,719
nuke story is real, what might some of these Russian

749
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,280
scientists get our nuke secrets?

750
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

751
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 3: But no, according to Quigley, that's now, that's just part

752
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,199
of it, part of the And the way he paints

753
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,679
this is it's like, well, you know, we have this

754
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,719
Cold war thing going on, but you know a lot

755
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,320
of people were enlightened and they understood the modern.

756
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:38,119
Speaker 4: Liberal world and that.

757
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:40,599
Speaker 3: For the sake of science and education, we needed to

758
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:44,880
get past these old modes of understanding of you know,

759
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,039
opposition and bad guy good guy. And that's what he

760
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:51,519
says about the space program is that it's going to

761
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:57,480
catapult America into a new age of understanding. He says,

762
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,719
primarily this is the quick as argument through education. So

763
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,159
he says the biggest impact of the space program would

764
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:05,559
be in American education.

765
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 4: Interesting, but.

766
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,159
Speaker 3: I think the crucial part is the admission. Probably the

767
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:18,920
most important this probably most important chapter in the whole book,

768
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:22,000
is this section of the nuclear rivalry, because he says,

769
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,480
the people who were bitching the McCarthy's, the anti communists,

770
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,840
they didn't understand the China lobby and the Institute for

771
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,559
Pacific Relations, and the New York Times, the Herald, Tribunes

772
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:37,559
and all these liberal weeklies, he says, and all of

773
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:41,320
these academics at Harvard and all these places, they were

774
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,000
not necessarily committed communists, many of them were. They really

775
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,159
believed the ideology. But he says, all you had to

776
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:49,880
do is look at who was behind it, and that's

777
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,400
JP Morgan, Chase, the bankers, That's who was running things

778
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,239
at these Ivy League universities. That's where they're getting the

779
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,719
money and.

780
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:03,199
Speaker 2: The infiltration of these organizations or patronage of these organizations, right,

781
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,400
the exact bankers.

782
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rockefellers, the Melons, the Dukes, the Carnegie and the

783
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:14,400
key page is nine thirty eighty nine, and that's where

784
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,760
he says that they realized that the left, he says,

785
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,760
was a much better weapon than controlling the conservatives, a

786
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:28,079
much better weapon for getting their plans through. And he

787
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,639
also mentions, of course, as I said Walter Liptman, here

788
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:33,800
in this chapter, the people, the guys out of Cambridge,

789
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:36,800
William Whitney Foundation. I mean, there's just a whole list

790
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,239
of all these you can keep going the liberal progressive.

791
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,119
Speaker 2: Well, Littmann was the one who wrote manufacturing Consent. I think,

792
00:47:51,800 --> 00:48:05,119
hello Internet, So where were we Jay?

793
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was just given an example character of one

794
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,199
of these operatives by the character by the name of

795
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:18,639
William Strait, and it says that straight was in no

796
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,000
sense a liberal or a progressive, but was indeed a

797
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:24,639
typical international banker, and that the New Republic magazine was

798
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:27,679
simply a medium for advancing designs of the international bankers,

799
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:35,079
most notably to blunt isolationists and anti British sentiments. And

800
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:40,199
it's even prevalent Amongst American progressives, while providing them with

801
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,599
a vehicle for expressing their views in art, literature, music.

802
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:48,880
So they had a vent, right, But the whole magazine

803
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:53,440
was controlled by the international banker who was part of

804
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,599
the London establishment.

805
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: And this would be formalized like with the SAA later

806
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,639
on when they created the Congress for Cultural Freedom right

807
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:05,320
and many other magazines magazines like well on the right

808
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,119
there is National Review, you know, who's found of course

809
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:12,920
with Woma Buckley, who we mentioned, scolland bone say, who

810
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,599
actually worked for Howard Hunt in Mexico.

811
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's why the next page she describes the

812
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,559
Whitney Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, and he talks about Nelson

813
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:26,320
Rockefeller being in charge of USA propaganda in Latin America

814
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:31,079
for the c I A. Pearl Buck is another one

815
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:39,559
of these characters, all the all these characters.

816
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:40,159
Speaker 2: So often what what is she image of China she

817
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,599
promoting with her book? Of course she also wins the

818
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:45,039
Nobel Prize.

819
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 3: She is one of the one of the uh, one

820
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,960
of the communists who was part of the most of these,

821
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:55,559
like pearl Buck, Professor Fairbrank of Harvard and professors Lautre

822
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,199
and Roe of Yale, where children of relatives who have

823
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,360
been concerned with China as quote missionaries and that's why.

824
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the missionaries trained. Now right, this is the Yeah, he.

825
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 3: Talks about the I p R communists, that is the

826
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,039
Institute for Pacific Relations and this is just a Rockefeller front.

827
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: Wow, that's yeah. And you know it was it the

828
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,440
Union Theological Seminary who had the operations in China as

829
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:24,360
rock Fellers outfit.

830
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:28,039
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, Union was started by the rock Fillers and

831
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,400
that's who they were, big promoters of liberalism and communism,

832
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,039
excuse me, ecumunism, liberalism and humunism in churches was a

833
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,719
union seminary. I know somebody who went there. We had

834
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,199
a big argument one time over that that person is,

835
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,440
by the way, uh minister in the pc U s A.

836
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:52,599
Which is a perfect example of that denomination completely corrupted

837
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:56,000
by the Rockefellers that we're talking about. I mean to

838
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:58,719
the point of, you know, gay priests, gay marriage in

839
00:50:58,760 --> 00:50:59,599
the churches.

840
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is again which is probably some sort of

841
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,599
deep state intel operation, absolutely, you know, promoting that stuff.

842
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,880
Of course, I think I've mentioned other interviews. I think

843
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,679
you mentioned that that whole agenda, you know, you can

844
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,880
trace it back to the Foundation's Rockefellers and whether it's

845
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:24,039
you know, Night sixty nine Planned Parenthood talking about promoting homosexuality,

846
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:25,880
or the start of the riots, and because the whole

847
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,840
media promotion of it all, yes, you know all its

848
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,159
all coordinated, you know, as you see today with all

849
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:33,119
the nonsense stuff that you talked about.

850
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: Now, one family you don't hear a lot about is

851
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:41,440
the Whitney family. And the Whitney family was deeply involved

852
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:46,280
in controlling airlines, particularly Pan American. And now I've mentioned before,

853
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,239
you know the role of Howard Hughes and characters like that.

854
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,679
But we can't forget these other families, and the Witney family.

855
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,920
According to Quigley, uh was important in you know, funding

856
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,079
a lot of these these foundations and these these liberal movements.

857
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,639
Vanderbilt of course played to it. Everybody probably has some

858
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,559
idea now about Anderson Cooper right being the heir to

859
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:14,920
the Peabody family plays into this. I was actually when

860
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,159
I met Chris Kendall from Hoastbusters a couple of weekends

861
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:21,440
ago down in Memphis. He was in the area. I

862
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,559
met him in Memphis, and we actually stopped into the

863
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:26,840
Peabody Hotel and as I understand, that's the same Peabodies

864
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,599
that quickly quickly that's the luxury hotel in Memphis. But

865
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:34,679
I mentioned the airlines because that's a big part of

866
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,199
the control system and people overlook that. But when Patrick

867
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,440
was breaking a lot of good stories in relationship to

868
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,639
the MH seventeen and all that plain nonsense that we

869
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:48,639
were hearing last year and the year before, I was

870
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,400
talking about, you know, you can find a lot of

871
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,119
interesting history of the CIA connections to airlines. And there's

872
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:56,679
even a movie right with the mel Gibson Robert down

873
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,320
Junior called Air America, which is about the CIA airlines

874
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,679
or America traffic drugs, and that's even in the movie.

875
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's what there's civil air transport which became here

876
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,000
America I think, right, And there's.

877
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 3: Evergreen Airlines with Evergreens, yeah, which was the CIA airline.

878
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:15,079
Speaker 2: Alaska Airline I think, or like that something that with

879
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:18,280
Alaska name to it or something if I get that right.

880
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:22,119
But yeah, transportation communication and you mentioned the Whitneys, and

881
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:25,199
the Whitneys that's the Boston Brahmin family traces its fortune

882
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,000
back to the opium trade. Correct, and the Clipperships.

883
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 3: Would assume so, but I didn't know that. Yeah, a

884
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,320
lot of these families so, as you've said many times,

885
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,159
go back to that interesting too. Nine forty six, the

886
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,440
unions were all just bought off Quickly says.

887
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,519
Speaker 2: There were, Yeah, yeah, they were controlled in the now

888
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,679
was that was that done in conjunction with organized crime?

889
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: Quickly says? One of these was a communist front, Trade

890
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,599
Union Services Incorporated of New York, which in nineteen forty

891
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:03,559
six published fifteen trade union papers for all the cf

892
00:54:03,679 --> 00:54:08,440
CIO unions. This was a people thought communists, but it

893
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,119
was actually run by the Emphasy for Pacific Relations.

894
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:16,159
Speaker 2: So there you go controlled opposition again. Yeah, and because

895
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,360
at the end of the day, you need someone to

896
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,159
pay for the pay for your groceries and keep the

897
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:24,760
lights on. Right, Yeah, that's very easy to dangle check

898
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,760
in front of someone tell them to do certain things.

899
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 3: And they did eat. And that's why Quickly says on

900
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,440
page nine forty eight that it was not communists, and

901
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,880
he says the radical right were all stupid and they

902
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:36,840
didn't understand it.

903
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't have access to the papers and the CFO.

904
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 3: I know, I know, he's they were actually the right ones.

905
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,159
Quickly is the.

906
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:47,119
Speaker 2: Well he says that he says, but he's really accusing.

907
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:50,719
They're they're identifying a threat that it is not identifying

908
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,960
the culprit is. But they at least they're perceptive, right,

909
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:54,519
I mean.

910
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he doesn't.

911
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 3: He calls them backwards and redneck and well he but

912
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,559
at least if at least they.

913
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 4: Figured part of it out. That's what I said.

914
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,159
Speaker 2: I talk and you provide that quote, which is on

915
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:06,920
what page nine to fifty. Whereas there does exist and

916
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,599
has assisted for a generation, the International Angle File Network,

917
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,960
which operates to some extent in the way the radical

918
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:16,440
right believes the communists act. In fact, this network, which

919
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,639
is we may identify as the Roundtable Groups, has no

920
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,960
version of cooperating with communists. So you know, I'm sorry

921
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,239
if I not, I'm a little slow off the mark,

922
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,119
but or any other group, and frequently does I know

923
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:31,719
of these operations of this network because I have studied

924
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,199
it for twenty years I was permitted for two years

925
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,559
in the early nineteen sixties to examine its papers and

926
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:40,400
secret records. Well, I'm sorry, not everyone had that access.

927
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 3: Page well, page nine to nine fifty six is basically

928
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,840
the summer of the entire book. Yeah, and all the

929
00:55:51,920 --> 00:56:01,639
usual suspects, Cecil Roads, Williams Stead, Walter Lippmann, Beer Lamont,

930
00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:03,840
all these characters.

931
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: And Roads Masters. Roads was funded by the Rothschilds.

932
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:09,599
Speaker 3: Yes, that's in the Cecil Rose.

933
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: Barbercave, which appeared the roth Child's family appeared to have

934
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,719
gotten largely controlled the British state by the by the

935
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:21,440
twentieth century. It does seem so, yeah, And it's interesting

936
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,039
because there's also Churchill who his father Witch Church's father

937
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:27,760
had gone into debt with a lot of Jewish creditors,

938
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:31,039
and it was Richard Churchill who had a very expensive

939
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:35,800
lifestyle far beyond his means, and it was his turn

940
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,079
against Hitler, which can be dated to his his financial

941
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:44,239
problems going away. So some people think it was his

942
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,719
his switch around nineteen thirty five thirty six to post Hitler.

943
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:50,199
He was bought off.

944
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's this power structure the radical right

945
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:56,039
in the US has been attacking for years in the

946
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:59,960
belief that they're attacking communism. This is particularly true when

947
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:03,639
these attacks are directed at Harvard Socialism or the left

948
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:10,159
wing newspapers. He misdirected attacks did much to confuse the

949
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:13,280
American people from nineteen forty eight to fifty five. And

950
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,159
he goes on to say because the people running it

951
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:16,400
were all the people that he listed.

952
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,719
Speaker 2: And what exposure to this is this is something that

953
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,760
not maybe well heard about, but it was written about.

954
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,519
Was the Norman Dodd and the Risk Community investigations, which

955
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:30,039
there you go. Yeah, and with Katherin Casey exposed with

956
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:34,039
the with the foundations. Just I think this involved the

957
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:38,320
Rockfeller and the particularly the Carnegie Foundation and their plan

958
00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:42,320
which she uncovered, their plan to subject the country to

959
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:45,679
various shocks and traumas, usually through war, to transform the

960
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:48,480
country to collectivize it, and later on to ultimately to

961
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:50,440
fuse it with the communist block.

962
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 4: That was the plan exactly.

963
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 3: Now. The next section is the atomics section, and the

964
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:04,119
it's page of nine sixty I just had to hear, yeah,

965
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:06,280
nine sixty two, where he says most many of the

966
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,800
scientists had doubts about the possibility of whether this could

967
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,239
be done, and he goes on to talk about the

968
00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:13,960
psychological operation aspects of it. It was.

969
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 4: There are a lot of tales, a lot of science fiction.

970
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 3: I think it's John and Chris brought me to my attention.

971
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:26,320
The first proposal of this is actually from HD Wells.

972
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,239
He has this story about the creation of this atomic

973
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,199
bomb that can you know, basically blow up the planet

974
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:32,639
or whatever.

975
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: That's his term, isn't it atomics? Yeah, so a science

976
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,360
fiction writer came up with this idea.

977
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:41,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, one thing I noticed, and I mentioned the talk.

978
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,599
The talk was, for example, how now maybe it's just

979
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:48,320
because I'm not trained in higher level physics, but how

980
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,400
does one measure one hundred million degrees exactly.

981
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: A thermometer? Well, that's hot, that's gonna be like one

982
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:00,159
hundred million degrees man.

983
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:05,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, because now see my understanding is that unless you

984
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:08,119
made it out of steel beams like the World Trade Center,

985
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:11,239
the thermometer, the thermometer might melt.

986
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:13,639
Speaker 4: I don't know.

987
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have these boastful claims because you're not a scientist.

988
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:22,559
You're not a scientist. Your questions aren't valid. Well, no,

989
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:25,760
just I'm okay, I'm farmer Brown explained to the way

990
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,480
that makes sense, and they can't. And yeah, just like

991
00:59:28,679 --> 00:59:31,320
the photo of the films you see is how does

992
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,360
the camera survive the explosion?

993
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 3: Now another question too, the explosions on that he mentions

994
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,920
on nine to sixty six. Bravo the hell bomb, quickly says.

995
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:49,800
The only person to witness this and tell us about

996
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,079
it is a journalist for the New York Times named

997
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:57,760
William Lawrence. So we just have to go by William Lawrence.

998
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,599
And he later wrote book There's Letter, a book later

999
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:03,880
written called The Hell Bomb. And this is what we're

1000
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:04,639
supposed to go by.

1001
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: It's rather thin gruel. I guess you could say.

1002
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 3: Lawrence's stories were accepted as true by the ordinary, well

1003
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:19,079
informed public, except not by scientists. Lawrence the only newspaper

1004
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:22,360
reporter allowed to see the test at Almagordo or the

1005
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,079
nuclear exposure on Japan wrote the book on the h

1006
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:28,159
bomb called the Hell Bomb in nineteen fifty That's an

1007
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:36,159
important quote. Yeah, the only journalists allowed to see these events?

1008
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: Why journalist?

1009
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:39,559
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1010
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 3: And why the most notorious lying entity The New York Times.

1011
01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:47,039
Speaker 2: All the news that's all the news that's fit to print,

1012
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,760
the print allowed for you to read.

1013
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,599
Speaker 3: And then there's more mentions of tales. Shortly after the

1014
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:58,440
Bravo blast at Bikini, a told a small Japanese fishing

1015
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,559
boat called the Lucky Dragon is the basis for the

1016
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:07,320
radioactive fallout of the test of Bikini Atoll. And this

1017
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:13,079
comes from I'm not joking, the story published in Japanese

1018
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:16,880
in nineteen fifty four. Now, who in the who in

1019
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,000
the world could track that down?

1020
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, source for that anyway.

1021
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:24,199
Speaker 3: So's you get a bunch of mentions of that kind

1022
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:24,599
of stuff.

1023
01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: And then you know, you mentioned Chris We've mentioned this before,

1024
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,199
is the these films were developed to look at Mountain

1025
01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:35,679
and Laura canaan it which is a oh yeah, top

1026
01:01:35,679 --> 01:01:39,639
ast of the art Hollywood you know, special effects studio,

1027
01:01:41,199 --> 01:01:43,199
you know, run by the Air Force.

1028
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:51,559
Speaker 3: With accessed by top Hollywood heads and so forth. So

1029
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:57,119
then he goes on to talk about important characters in

1030
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,960
the deep state apparatus and how many of them would

1031
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,719
be university heads. Right, so we can never overlook the

1032
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,239
academic aspect of the connection to the deep state and

1033
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:17,119
the intelligence agencies. Thomas Watson, International Business Machines, IBM, Milton Eisenhower.

1034
01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:20,000
And these are the people Dean Atchison. The reason this

1035
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:21,599
is important is that these are the people who are

1036
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,280
revolving door. They go into the the government roles in

1037
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,280
the Truman administration.

1038
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 4: And this is a big part of what Dulles is behind.

1039
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead. Well it's interesting because I had a

1040
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:43,480
talk with James Pearloff, Yeah, regarding the Korean and Vietnam

1041
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:47,679
wars and how we got into those things, and you

1042
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:51,079
mentioned sort of this, you know, this suspicion that the

1043
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:56,000
governments being infiltrated by communists and these cold warriors like

1044
01:02:56,039 --> 01:03:03,639
Dean Ashison. But one is the Dean Atchison. Uh you

1045
01:03:03,679 --> 01:03:08,119
know this Secretary of State uh for for Truman right

1046
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:13,760
right page one. Yeah. He uh. He was as a

1047
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,159
young attorney, he represented the Soviet interest in America. He

1048
01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:18,119
was hired by the Soviet Union. I guess they picked

1049
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:19,159
his name out of a phone booker.

1050
01:03:19,519 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 3: Wow.

1051
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:22,679
Speaker 2: And well while he was so he was he was

1052
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,039
he was an attorney for the for the Soviet Interest in

1053
01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:27,719
America in the thirties, and he was, of course he

1054
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:32,519
was Truman Secretary of State. A lot of these other

1055
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:35,400
guys like Lachlan Curry, John Stewart Service, all these people's

1056
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,519
had ties to the Commist Party. And Attison's law partner

1057
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:46,880
was Donald Hiss Algers's brother, uh William Bundy, the father

1058
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:52,960
in law. I guess McGeorge Bundy was also tied into this,

1059
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:55,880
into this clique. But all these people that got us,

1060
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,960
the people like Walter Rosstau his father was a Communist.

1061
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:05,119
All these Cold Warriors and the Kennedy and Johnson administrations

1062
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:09,199
all had ties back to Communist So that kind of

1063
01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:11,480
goes to your thesis, I think speaking.

1064
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 4: I didn't know any of that.

1065
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:19,559
Speaker 3: And then we have John Foster Dellos previously being a

1066
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,639
literal agent of JP Morgan.

1067
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it gets in the high finance and Communists

1068
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:24,800
and all that.

1069
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:25,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1070
01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:29,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, President Kennedy, this is James Prolist article. President Kennedy.

1071
01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:32,480
Kenny authorized the first combat troops about ten thousand, nineteen

1072
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:35,880
sixty one on the device of State Department's Walt Rostau,

1073
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,840
who had returned from a fact funding mission to Vietnam.

1074
01:04:39,159 --> 01:04:42,199
Though the media branded Rostar Hawk, his father had been

1075
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:46,159
a Marxist revolutionary in Russia. To his aunts, belonged to

1076
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:49,280
the US Communist Party. His brother Eugene Deb's Rostar was

1077
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,039
named after the Socialist Party leader Eugene Debs, and the

1078
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:55,199
Eisenhower State Department rejected Walt for employment three times as

1079
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:58,639
a security risk. The Kenny administration only got him got

1080
01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,840
him in by firing Auto Tepka. The State Department had

1081
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,159
a security that was a big scandal. Was he blocked

1082
01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:06,800
and then he was fired. So someone with enough juice

1083
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,280
had the head of security State Department fired for not

1084
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,239
bringing in this communist into the State Department. Who got

1085
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,840
us into Vietnam? So communists got us into Vietnam? How

1086
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,639
do you make sense of that? In the Cold War dialectic?

1087
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,199
Speaker 3: Hey, here's another connection that that. Dave McGowan pointed out

1088
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:28,000
that I was kind of surprised at actress Laura dern

1089
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:32,880
Many David Lynch Films. Yeah, her granddad was the Secretary

1090
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,400
of war in at Skull and Bones.

1091
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:36,039
Speaker 4: I believe too.

1092
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 3: It's called it's a Secretary of War under FDR.

1093
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:46,159
Speaker 2: So that's right because Bruce Dern's godfather was godmother was

1094
01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:47,280
eleanor Roosewelt, wasn't it.

1095
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 3: Yes, there you go, that's how that ties in exactly.

1096
01:05:52,639 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: So I mean you get these connections, you know, the

1097
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,599
whole thing with Korea because that's like because that's like

1098
01:05:56,679 --> 01:05:59,880
one world government, new World order stuff like when tanaschis

1099
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,920
and gives a speech nineteen fifty, he says, they create

1100
01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:06,239
outside our defense perimeter, so invade. Yeah.

1101
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:12,079
Speaker 3: Also, you know, I'm sorry, you're right, George Darn is

1102
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:16,079
the grandfather of Bruce Darn, great grandfather of Laura.

1103
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: Darn, great grand Okay, so you missed the generation. But yeah,

1104
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,400
I mean that's the same thing that gets in. Remember

1105
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:26,559
that's a whole other issue. But John Adams is the

1106
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:29,800
whole thing about these celebrities, whether you're you're a singer

1107
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,639
or you're a celebrity, how all these elite connections.

1108
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, they found some, really, John found some interesting ones

1109
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,280
with what Katy Perry's oil family. Yeah, and then Filey

1110
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,800
Cyrus has an FT has a Federal Reserve banker.

1111
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,239
Speaker 2: Billy Ray Cyrus is just like a failed baseball player

1112
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:55,760
turned singer. But but yeah, I mean that's he gets

1113
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,119
into the they have all these connections. So you know, America,

1114
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:04,119
isn't this self made police off up a bootstraps meritricious,

1115
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:10,320
you know, meritocracy society, it's a I mean, yeah, there

1116
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,400
are all these people are you know, they all come from

1117
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,320
these families in connections.

1118
01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 3: John or Christal got an article that he posted from

1119
01:07:20,679 --> 01:07:26,000
a historian at Harvard, I think, talking about how many

1120
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:29,760
of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were actually royalists.

1121
01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 2: That's right, there's an art, there's a book I saw that.

1122
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,000
How you know people they wanted the present to be

1123
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:37,480
as king.

1124
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah we've heard that, but yeah, this guy's revolutionary argument

1125
01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:47,000
was that many of the signers of the declaration, the

1126
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:54,039
declaration is not against royalty period, but against parliament Parliament. Yeah, no,

1127
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,840
that's I don't I don't know enough about yea historic perspective,

1128
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,920
but it's interesting, Well, we know they were.

1129
01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:04,719
Speaker 2: Like people like you know, people like yeah Alexander Hamilton.

1130
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:09,360
Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, so.

1131
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:16,119
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Well another element that quickly doesn't mention what

1132
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:19,399
was really going on, which I thought your interview with

1133
01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:24,319
Chris Milligan was very telling. Was Korean War because Quigley

1134
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:28,720
does talk briefly about Korean War, but of course, oh

1135
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,560
it's about Commis and all this kind of stuff, no

1136
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,479
mention of drugs. It's just a big part of the

1137
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:35,039
Korean War.

1138
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 2: So do you mean Vietnam War.

1139
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Vietnam War?

1140
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was. I think Ed Lansdale went went there

1141
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,560
and kind of uh kicked the French.

1142
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:51,520
Speaker 3: At Yeah, that's right.

1143
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:56,199
Speaker 2: That's all about kick filling the drug networks, uh in

1144
01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:00,399
Vietnam and uh, that whole thing because that that's out

1145
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,760
of Vietnam. That's how you get the pipeline from heroin

1146
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,000
from Southeast Asia into the United States. You know, is

1147
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:15,680
that the Golden the Golden Triangles in Afghanistan? Yeah, that area. Yeah,

1148
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,760
But of course that's because the part of the operation,

1149
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,439
the way we worked with the among people, the tribes,

1150
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:25,560
was we you know, we paid them with with opio

1151
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,680
or heroin or poppy whatever. And then there's a finding

1152
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,920
plant there. There was an old pepsi fat bottling plant

1153
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,079
that was used huh you know for that. Yeah, which

1154
01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:39,079
is funny because of course, when Kennedy's assassinated, Nixon is

1155
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:42,520
a big convention of bottling company convention into Alas, Texas.

1156
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,319
Of course, one of the bigger policy reversals out of

1157
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:50,439
the out of his assassination was the escalation of the

1158
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,800
Vietnam War, which opens up the pipeline for drugs. So

1159
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,600
I don't know if that's just a coincidence. But like then,

1160
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,119
these businesses, whether it's fruit or bottling companies with bottling

1161
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,920
back then they you sugar, and that that involves controlling,

1162
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,880
you know, whether it's uh, you know fields in South America,

1163
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:07,760
you know, things like that.

1164
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 4: Oh, here here's another.

1165
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 3: Well, by the way, I did finally get Douglas Valentine's

1166
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,119
Phoenix Project book. I haven't read it yet, but it

1167
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:18,560
did come in the mail the other day, but which

1168
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,680
you recommended. Here's a funny statement that that is to

1169
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,399
the point that you were making. A minute ago, Attorney

1170
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:30,199
General Herbert Brownwell Junior confided to a businessman lunching in

1171
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:34,079
Chicago that President Truman knew that Harry Dexter White was

1172
01:10:34,079 --> 01:10:38,640
a Russian spy, but promoted him from Assistant Secretary of

1173
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,359
Treasury to the I m F.

1174
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,279
Speaker 2: That doesn't make much sense, well, because what they're you

1175
01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:49,560
know what that what what that Brenton Wood system is

1176
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,960
just one more phase of world currency. And I think

1177
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,680
it was JOHMAINA. Keynes, who I guess wanted the bank

1178
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,560
or was the world currency at the time, but they

1179
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,319
realized there's there would be too much opposition politically for it,

1180
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:03,840
and they'd have to be gradually introduced and we might

1181
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,720
be getting something like the bank or with SDRs or something,

1182
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:07,159
you know.

1183
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 3: Right right, you know.

1184
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:13,399
Speaker 2: But there was just one phase because the Brenton Wood system,

1185
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,920
with Cherry Dexter Wright apparently was involved in setting up,

1186
01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:19,680
so we had a communist spy setting up the post

1187
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,720
war economic system exactly.

1188
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:22,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1189
01:11:22,319 --> 01:11:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, we set the stage for American dominance because it'd

1190
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,560
been thrown the dollar as the visit world reserve currency

1191
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,600
was enabled the deep State to do a whole lot

1192
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:32,039
around them.

1193
01:11:32,199 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 3: And then and then Dolls goes and basically gets NATO CTO,

1194
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,199
centro CTO going.

1195
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:44,399
Speaker 2: Yep.

1196
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 3: So here's all your foreign policy, global government right here,

1197
01:11:51,319 --> 01:11:52,880
already already existing.

1198
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with of course, with the Marshall Plan, there's

1199
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,920
a huge slush fund for operations.

1200
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 3: In your exactly. Yeah. And by the way, that's interesting

1201
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:04,039
because quickly will mention a few of those, which I

1202
01:12:04,039 --> 01:12:06,760
guess again, because this is nineteen sixty six, he was

1203
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,920
limited in what he could talk about, or maybe what

1204
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,560
he knew about, you know. But he'll mention the nineteen

1205
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:17,319
fifty three RANKU, and he'll mention Guatemala. But if you

1206
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:21,520
read Servondo's book, there's dozens of those obviously.

1207
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 2: All over the place.

1208
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, whole lists of them. And this is

1209
01:12:27,239 --> 01:12:30,800
the great wonder. This is a great, great paragraph here

1210
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,680
where he says that after getting rid of Mosedic, the British,

1211
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,800
the Anglo Irraine Oil Company, the World Petroleum Cartel, the

1212
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,199
American government, and the older Iranian elite led by the

1213
01:12:40,199 --> 01:12:43,720
Shah combined to crush most Adict under the personal direction

1214
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:48,399
of the Cia. Allen Dallas, brother of John Fosterdellis. This

1215
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:52,479
was Allen was a former director of Schroeder Bank in

1216
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:56,600
New York, the old associate of Frank Tyarks and a

1217
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,960
partner in Schroederbank in London, director of the Bank of England,

1218
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:03,880
as well as Lazar Brothers and the Angler Rain Oil Company.

1219
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:08,079
It will be recalled that Schroederbank helped arrange Hitler's accession

1220
01:13:08,119 --> 01:13:10,600
to ascension to power in nineteen thirty three.

1221
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 2: Yes, and Chris Dallas is also part, big part of

1222
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:15,640
the paper Clip operation.

1223
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 3: And that's why, that's what I was gonna say, that's

1224
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,319
why we can connect dollars to that, And that's.

1225
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 2: He's there in Switzerland negotiating with ss Wolf Commander Wolf

1226
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,279
or something, and of course ranging all the gold like

1227
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:29,520
the Black Eagle Trust and all the loot.

1228
01:13:30,279 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 3: And there's David Talbot's book, Devil's Chess Board.

1229
01:13:34,039 --> 01:13:38,399
Speaker 2: He deals with some of that, and he's there. Yeah,

1230
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,840
just recent came out. And one thing you mentioned the book,

1231
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:46,560
I think that quickly writes about the operation Ajax in Iran,

1232
01:13:47,359 --> 01:13:50,560
the toppling of the Mossadic government is that it was

1233
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,880
the absence of Russian influence in Iran which gave this

1234
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,880
CIA a free hand. This goes idea that without it,

1235
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,800
you know, we got this idea of the SA fighting comments.

1236
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,039
But here is a situation where the government might have

1237
01:14:04,039 --> 01:14:07,159
been stabilized had there been a stronger Soviet presence to

1238
01:14:07,319 --> 01:14:13,520
check the CIA. But that's an interesting part about the

1239
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,159
how To operation is that the c went and hired

1240
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:21,520
mobs to create riots, uh fake riots, and destabilize the government.

1241
01:14:23,119 --> 01:14:28,199
Speaker 3: There we go, bless you yeah, this is not just

1242
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:30,640
Middle East. But I wanted to mention too. He mentions

1243
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:34,520
the control of Eurasia, so he hints at the mckinder Doctrine,

1244
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,800
page one, and that he says the two problems of

1245
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:43,560
this period were the situation the US and Russia and

1246
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,199
whether a new substantial power might grow up on the

1247
01:14:46,279 --> 01:14:49,399
land mass of Eurasia. So that sounds exactly what.

1248
01:14:51,119 --> 01:14:54,079
Speaker 2: Exactly now? You also talk about the oil car tells

1249
01:14:54,119 --> 01:14:58,119
this so called seven Sisters, how this is the face

1250
01:14:58,159 --> 01:15:00,520
of the real New World Order ILLUMINAI this is the

1251
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:01,399
real Illuminati.

1252
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 3: I think they're very high up at the top of it.

1253
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:08,359
Because he mentions the I forget what page that's on,

1254
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:12,600
but he says that this cartel controlled ninety percent or

1255
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,960
some some outrageous percentage like that. I have I have

1256
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,079
to find where that is in my notes. I think

1257
01:15:19,119 --> 01:15:22,760
it's somewhere around here. But yeah, some outrageous amount of

1258
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,920
the world's oil reserves of the entire world.

1259
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's funny the term seven sisters. I was here.

1260
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, of the reserves of the world world's oil, eighty

1261
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,840
eight percent of production, seventy seven percent of refining, and

1262
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,359
seventy percent of tonnage in ocean tankers. And this is

1263
01:15:42,399 --> 01:15:47,560
in nineteen forty nine. By nineteen forty nine, the cartel

1264
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:52,479
of Anglo Iranian Royal Dust Shell, So Calso, Seccone, Vacuum

1265
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,199
Gulf and Texico.

1266
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 2: And they're all working together. There's no competition. It's a cartel.

1267
01:15:57,039 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hence it's a cartel exactly.

1268
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 2: That's the problem there. But they turned Seven Sisters was

1269
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,199
coined by this guy, Enrico Mattei. He was the head

1270
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:10,920
of the Italian state oil company, who I guess ran

1271
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,800
a foul of the Seven Sisters when he started negotiating

1272
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,520
his independent deals and giving the countries a better deal,

1273
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,359
give me a larger percent of profits. And what happens

1274
01:16:20,399 --> 01:16:21,720
to him?

1275
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 3: He probably ended up deb But I remember reading about

1276
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:27,239
Seven Sisters on Wikipedia.

1277
01:16:27,319 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1278
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:28,560
Speaker 2: His plane blew up.

1279
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, there you go.

1280
01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 2: So another another convenient plane plane crash or whatever, you know,

1281
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,760
which goes back to you know, airlines. But I think

1282
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,079
he was on a private plane that went down smaller.

1283
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:44,520
Speaker 3: Would you agree with that that the oil we could

1284
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,479
place some of these oil groups at the top of

1285
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:47,920
the gar.

1286
01:16:48,039 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's energy. And I think now I think

1287
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,960
if you want to they've probably moved into uh well,

1288
01:16:55,039 --> 01:16:59,479
big Agra and big pharma because that's being merged like

1289
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:05,960
with Monsanto and some of these big uh you know,

1290
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,199
agri company, agriculture companies are that are combining with with

1291
01:17:10,359 --> 01:17:14,920
you know, with the science with genital modified organisms, and

1292
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:19,800
it's control of the world and controlling food. Uh you're

1293
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:25,079
trying to introduce these terminator seeds, which is absolutely insane.

1294
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,520
And you know, you control the energy, you can throttle

1295
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,119
the global economy, you can you know, the world's currencies,

1296
01:17:32,199 --> 01:17:34,239
the dollar at least is based on the petro dollar.

1297
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,159
And this is also the same reason why you manage

1298
01:17:37,239 --> 01:17:40,199
drug networks, right, because so much of the finite global

1299
01:17:40,199 --> 01:17:43,439
finance is based on drugs drug proceeds, and so you

1300
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,079
have to manage it to control it. And the same

1301
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:50,039
way that you create a global crisis with nuclear war,

1302
01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:53,439
with world wars or nuclear terra you create a pretext

1303
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,720
to manage the world, right, well, the same with the

1304
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,840
drugs the drug war. You have to manage the drug war.

1305
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:00,600
You have to pick the cartels and picked the banks

1306
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,560
that are going to funnel this drug money and those

1307
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,800
proceeds are going to distroy it or control that direct

1308
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,640
the economy in certain ways. You know. That's you know,

1309
01:18:10,039 --> 01:18:11,960
Katherine Austin Fitz gets into that with a lot of

1310
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:16,840
her research, but she uncovered and she's listening to interviewer

1311
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,720
recently with The Dark Journalist, and she said she didn't

1312
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,680
really understand how the New World Order functioned. Does She

1313
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:28,680
moved to Tennessee to a rural area and observed how

1314
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:34,000
people manage livestock. Well, that's that's comforting.

1315
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:40,399
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I could see that because you know, I'm

1316
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,640
in Tennessee too, and there's cows everywhere, and there's other

1317
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,479
domesticated farm animals.

1318
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the animal farm there.

1319
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:49,159
Speaker 3: You go.

1320
01:18:49,359 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's how they see us, you know.

1321
01:18:56,039 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 4: Now the.

1322
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to give away too much of what

1323
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:04,800
I saved for the subscribers. Oh no, no, beyond what

1324
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,399
we mentioned so far, because that there's a lot of

1325
01:19:08,399 --> 01:19:13,840
Stalin stuff and NKVD stuff, and then it kind of

1326
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,239
gets into topics that I'm going to talk about in

1327
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:21,479
the next final talk on hope. But there is a

1328
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,439
lot of interesting stuff come out, you know, with wiki leaks.

1329
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:25,640
Are going to talk about that a little bit.

1330
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:29,079
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the election and this this FBI I reopened

1331
01:19:29,079 --> 01:19:33,239
the investigation. It's based on these I guess information or

1332
01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:37,000
emails that were on the laptop of Anthony Wiener aka

1333
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:46,880
College Danger, Charlie Danger, and his strange wife, who is

1334
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,680
a I think I've been an aide for Hilly Clinton

1335
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,680
for the better part of twenty years, I think, and well,

1336
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:53,720
let you talk about you.

1337
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,319
Speaker 3: I think, well, I just basically it looks like I mean,

1338
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,760
I'd made my video right before it started coming out

1339
01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:02,960
about more of the revelations of the sex, the sex stuff,

1340
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,640
so I didn't think the sex aspects not in it.

1341
01:20:06,199 --> 01:20:10,359
I just talked about the top ten or so scandals

1342
01:20:10,359 --> 01:20:13,239
that I saw as vindicated, which kind of vindicates everything

1343
01:20:13,279 --> 01:20:14,319
that so.

1344
01:20:14,199 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 4: Called conspiracy theorists have talked about for so long. So

1345
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,840
you have, well, you.

1346
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:24,079
Speaker 3: Have the Gulf States funding Isis and Jahad or the

1347
01:20:24,119 --> 01:20:27,920
mercenaries basically, which is what we've talked about for so long.

1348
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:32,119
And this shows Hillary is in full knowledge of what's

1349
01:20:32,119 --> 01:20:36,680
going on. For those that didn't believe that she did.

1350
01:20:38,039 --> 01:20:42,880
You know, you've got Turkey, Qatar, Arab Emirs, Jordan and

1351
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:43,760
so ben Ghazi.

1352
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 4: What's you know.

1353
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:49,079
Speaker 3: This is what the CFR called for in twenty twelve,

1354
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,600
and they called they have their article publicly posted of

1355
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:59,159
using quote al Qaeda in Syria. The article from the

1356
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:04,720
CFR said, it's in my video the Jihadis are. They're

1357
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:08,359
pretty awesome. That's what I'm not joking. That's what this

1358
01:21:08,359 --> 01:21:12,000
guy says. He says they would provide zeal and morale

1359
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,920
for the takedown of aus Od and so this and again,

1360
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,880
now what was Hillary doing at this time while she

1361
01:21:19,119 --> 01:21:24,359
was running the Bengazi situation, which is again this is

1362
01:21:25,039 --> 01:21:29,439
funneling mechanism of weapons and aid to the quote Jahad?

1363
01:21:32,079 --> 01:21:34,279
The next one is I just kind of listened to

1364
01:21:34,279 --> 01:21:36,239
them or they're not in any like top ten, They're

1365
01:21:36,319 --> 01:21:39,760
just a list of them. I thought it was funny

1366
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:44,439
that CNN said that it's illegal to read these, but

1367
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,720
then they turned around and said we will read them

1368
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:47,119
for you.

1369
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 4: Well, now wait a minute.

1370
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 3: If it's illegal, how is CNN going to read them

1371
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:50,880
and vet them for us?

1372
01:21:53,119 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I know what law are they citing.

1373
01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:05,239
Speaker 3: By the way, really, the Democrats paid agit violence paid

1374
01:22:05,239 --> 01:22:08,239
for that. We knew that that's nothing new.

1375
01:22:08,319 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 2: But what was interesting is that connection was this the

1376
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:11,640
Donald Ducks.

1377
01:22:13,079 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 3: Well, I just meant the paid for a violent eruption. Okay,

1378
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,079
frump rallies and busting people around for voter fraud.

1379
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there was I think of the Donald ducks

1380
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:24,960
when they show up and it turns out that it

1381
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,479
was funded by it was supposed to be independent. It's fun.

1382
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,319
It was it Bob Kreamer I think was his name.

1383
01:22:30,399 --> 01:22:34,119
Guy resigned and there's a conversation he's talking about the

1384
01:22:34,199 --> 01:22:36,359
duck costumes. Is you know how it is to get

1385
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:43,359
a duck costume for an adult? Yeah, it's very funny.

1386
01:22:43,359 --> 01:22:46,439
It's like it's like usually their first kids. It's hard

1387
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,840
to get one for adults. But go ahead. I'm sorry.

1388
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,520
Speaker 3: It's just that same sort of what we think it

1389
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:56,199
might be a Solilensky style stuff. Yeah, betrays once again

1390
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:00,640
the banker in the background with Soros busting people around

1391
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:04,439
and the admission of the democratic vote fraud of oh,

1392
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,760
we just bust the minorities around the different locales, and

1393
01:23:09,079 --> 01:23:12,399
again Soros comes up in the background of this and

1394
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,359
the crisis actors of the provocateurs that were busted around.

1395
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,119
Speaker 4: Ferguson right.

1396
01:23:18,119 --> 01:23:22,239
Speaker 3: If you recall that this last couple of summers, the

1397
01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:28,760
racial incitement, the shadow government, this is not wikiles, this

1398
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,760
is the FBI reference in the CNBC article that explicitly

1399
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,760
says shadow government, and the officials who were told about

1400
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,079
the shadow government having to okay these things, they were

1401
01:23:39,159 --> 01:23:40,359
unaware of what this was.

1402
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 4: The seventh floor. They're like, what what is that? You mean?

1403
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,119
Speaker 3: There's a group above us that says what canon can't

1404
01:23:48,119 --> 01:23:51,159
be done? And that was in reference to Foyer request.

1405
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:54,039
By the way, the Foyer requests are filtered by the

1406
01:23:54,079 --> 01:23:56,720
seventh floor shadow government is what it says.

1407
01:23:58,560 --> 01:23:59,239
Speaker 4: Did you see that?

1408
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 2: Yes, seven, That would be the seventh floor of the

1409
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,119
of Langley m h.

1410
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:10,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see. Comy was of course on the HSBC

1411
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:14,600
board at one point, and there would be there obviously

1412
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,680
conflicts of interest with regard to the Clinton Foundation, which

1413
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:22,960
HSBC donated millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation. Podesta

1414
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:28,000
coordinating with Hollywood, obviously that shouldn't really be a surprise.

1415
01:24:29,159 --> 01:24:33,640
Hillary has on her call list the top Hollywood directors, Katzenberg,

1416
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:40,079
Warner Brothers people. The emails say, quote from Huma makes

1417
01:24:40,079 --> 01:24:44,159
Soros happy. That was a good one. One of the

1418
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:47,560
Podesta was a Podesta email said that we've got to

1419
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:51,399
make the American people more complacent, more docile, like you

1420
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:52,680
mentioned farm.

1421
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 2: Animals, more complacent, more docile, because that's that's what a

1422
01:24:56,279 --> 01:24:58,199
engaged citizen citizenry should be.

1423
01:24:59,279 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 3: That's great coordination with Google and Schmidt, Schmidt basically drawing

1424
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:05,800
up the plans for the campaign or.

1425
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 4: The online aspects of it, or something to that effect.

1426
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 3: And then of course the massive coordination with mainstream media

1427
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:17,800
and some sixty five plus mainstream media pundits and journalists

1428
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:24,920
all coordinating with the Hillary campaign. Now, Hillary has destroyed nations,

1429
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:30,720
as we've said, Trump Trump has built buildings and said

1430
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,279
a few cuss words that we know of that we

1431
01:25:33,359 --> 01:25:33,600
know of.

1432
01:25:34,399 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 4: Now.

1433
01:25:35,039 --> 01:25:37,079
Speaker 3: It's so that alone, I think is amazing.

1434
01:25:37,359 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 4: You know that the we have.

1435
01:25:40,039 --> 01:25:45,319
Speaker 3: This populace that this this liberal establishment that pretends to

1436
01:25:45,319 --> 01:25:48,520
be up in arms and in a tizzy and having

1437
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,680
convulsions over Trump saying the P word, when it's that

1438
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:57,279
same liberal establishment that promotes pedophilia and you know, the

1439
01:25:57,319 --> 01:26:03,239
most degenerate stuff on television, right, Huddle, absolutely makes no.

1440
01:26:03,159 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 2: Sense, Hollywood outrage that Trump would be you know, he's

1441
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:07,359
a womanizer.

1442
01:26:12,039 --> 01:26:15,359
Speaker 3: So the outrage, I guess is that he is heterosexual.

1443
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he's not devian enough maybe right, right?

1444
01:26:19,359 --> 01:26:23,359
Speaker 3: So the uh and then, of course what's interesting is

1445
01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:26,039
that we get this character Evan mcmollin that suddenly shows

1446
01:26:26,119 --> 01:26:30,119
up connected to Mitt Romney and Goldman Sacks obviously some

1447
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,680
Mormon Cia angle front phony.

1448
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's running out in the Utah or something. He's

1449
01:26:37,279 --> 01:26:41,279
pulling that they could pulled that away from Trump and yeah,

1450
01:26:41,319 --> 01:26:45,760
so yeah, he's this uh connection. Yeah, you mentioned Goldmen

1451
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,159
Sacks and it's part of the Mormon mafia, I guess. Yeah.

1452
01:26:49,239 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 3: And then to crown it all off, who does Hillary

1453
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,680
says behind it all Russia and that Trump is run

1454
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:56,279
by Russia.

1455
01:26:57,039 --> 01:26:59,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently his computer has a link right up to

1456
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,439
put computer or something the community strategize or something.

1457
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:09,399
Speaker 3: And there's no election fraud. There's no voter fraud according

1458
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:14,520
to Obama bought. Obama and the establishment want to bring

1459
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,319
the UN to police the election in case of voter

1460
01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:20,119
but I thought there was no voter fraud. Yeah, so

1461
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,079
just total nonsense. Total Well, it's in other words, that

1462
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:27,960
all this Wiki League stuff, which in itself may.

1463
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,199
Speaker 4: Not be that big of a well, actually it is

1464
01:27:29,279 --> 01:27:30,119
kind of like the biggest.

1465
01:27:30,199 --> 01:27:32,199
Speaker 3: It's ten times worse than Watergate, right.

1466
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 2: What you're saying, Yeah, because Watergate, I'm not aware of

1467
01:27:36,039 --> 01:27:41,039
any dead bodies. You could make the case that's wife. Yeah,

1468
01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:44,840
that was one thing with her mysterious plane crash.

1469
01:27:45,119 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 3: But the Clinton uh yeah, they should be in jail.

1470
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're guilty. But the thing is to really

1471
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,760
to expose to Clinton is to again oppose then you

1472
01:27:59,079 --> 01:28:01,920
mean me and Ark saw the bushes and you know

1473
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,199
these things and even some of the things with Epstein, Epstein,

1474
01:28:05,399 --> 01:28:07,159
you know what that what that opens up.

1475
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 3: Well, that's what's come out in the past couple of days,

1476
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:13,960
is yeah, the reflection of going back to the pedophilia

1477
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,920
stories of Little Saint James Island and that this is

1478
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:22,319
kind of a black male operation to entrap the wealthy

1479
01:28:22,319 --> 01:28:23,000
and the powerful.

1480
01:28:23,359 --> 01:28:27,159
Speaker 2: And you know, there's some also evidence that it implicates Trump,

1481
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:31,680
which because she is, you know, all that place down

1482
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:36,439
he owns where this girl, uh Veronica or is it

1483
01:28:37,079 --> 01:28:42,760
Veronica Clark was her name, I think, But you know,

1484
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,399
they so it's hard to I mean, if you listened

1485
01:28:45,399 --> 01:28:47,640
to I mean some of the I just heard an

1486
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:51,960
interview with his name from the Wrong Paul Peace Center

1487
01:28:52,079 --> 01:28:54,920
on r T talking about this whole latest thing with

1488
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:59,439
Daniel McAdams. Daniel McAdams and he's talking and there's openly

1489
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:03,079
people now openly talking about the deep state. By the way,

1490
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,640
so Peter delle Scott, you've been vindicated. But yeah, this

1491
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,279
is how there's a revolt. One thing is that the

1492
01:29:10,319 --> 01:29:12,760
reason why this latest thing occurred is some one level

1493
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:17,359
there's a revolt among the FBI. Headline today that the

1494
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:21,520
FBI is pro Trump, that's the accusation now. But they

1495
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:25,359
were so disgusted with Comy's decision last July that there's

1496
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:29,720
there's been a you know, like a ton of resignations

1497
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,479
or threats to resign, and so they had to do this.

1498
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:38,199
One thing is, but you know, Comy is is a puppet.

1499
01:29:38,199 --> 01:29:40,159
He's not a he's not a string poller. So he's

1500
01:29:40,199 --> 01:29:42,800
not he's not taking these decisions in a vacuum or

1501
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:47,159
by himself. That some people feel that it's some faction

1502
01:29:47,359 --> 01:29:51,119
within the deep state. Uh, the the people that choose

1503
01:29:51,119 --> 01:29:55,199
our candidates for US have turned against Hillary Clinton for

1504
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:57,960
some reason. Maybe it's Russia, because of Russia, maybe it's

1505
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,840
because she's too close to the neo conservative And there's

1506
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,720
so we say, less insane, a more responsible faction to

1507
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:07,560
this criminal syndicate that runs things. That's saying whoa, whoa, whoa.

1508
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,800
Wait a second. At first we thought maybe we may

1509
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,800
have wanted Hillary. Now maybe we don't. She's too corrupt,

1510
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,840
it's too dangerous. Yeah, if she gets elected, she's gonna

1511
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:21,800
be facing impeachment, especially Republicans that maytain control of Congress.

1512
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:26,520
They could be impeachment within months of this person. And

1513
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,359
maybe it's just better have Trump in there.

1514
01:30:30,039 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 3: That's what some people think. Yeah. Yeah, And I just

1515
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:37,039
uploaded my video last night where I kind of get

1516
01:30:37,039 --> 01:30:38,079
my thesis on all that.

1517
01:30:38,199 --> 01:30:42,279
Speaker 4: So if people can check out my video, I toddled it.

1518
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 3: Clinton WikiLeaks exposes entire shadow government where we go through

1519
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:48,520
these points and the different articles.

1520
01:30:48,279 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 4: That treat of it.

1521
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 3: But but yeah, I guess we're gonna we're gonna see

1522
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:52,760
a lot in the next couple of days.

1523
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:56,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see what happens Wednesday morning, what the results are.

1524
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,800
There's always the chance of voter fraud, electronic voting, you

1525
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,439
don't know anymore. It gets this question who controls the

1526
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:03,119
software now?

1527
01:31:03,279 --> 01:31:03,520
Speaker 3: Right?

1528
01:31:04,279 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 5: You know?

1529
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 2: And the software is proprietary by the way, meaning that

1530
01:31:09,119 --> 01:31:12,159
wait a second, so there's no public right now. From

1531
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:14,439
what I understand, the way the law reads is the public.

1532
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:17,680
There's no right to to analyze the data which produces

1533
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:18,199
the votes.

1534
01:31:19,079 --> 01:31:21,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this has been talked about by Bev Herrolles

1535
01:31:21,239 --> 01:31:21,840
for a long time.

1536
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what happened to Ohio in two thousand and four.

1537
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:27,920
The votes are switched and just gave the election to Bush.

1538
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:31,039
And it can be done electronically. Now, now, who's to say.

1539
01:31:31,079 --> 01:31:33,760
I mean, that's but that's what's one dimension to it.

1540
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:39,319
But again, it's be interesting to see what happens. You know,

1541
01:31:39,399 --> 01:31:41,399
for a while, I thought Trump was put up there

1542
01:31:41,399 --> 01:31:45,560
to I'm sure Hillary's election. I'm not quite so sure anymore.

1543
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,119
I thought, now, you know, you could you know, because

1544
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:52,680
he apparently has momentum and uh, he does draw bigger crowds.

1545
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,680
But again, if you're controlling the voting machines and they're electronic,

1546
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:57,720
I don't know how relevant.

1547
01:31:57,319 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 3: That is it. Well, but I mean what this was,

1548
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,399
I was a radio thing and that came up. How

1549
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:06,199
do you think, Well, I mean, they technically they could

1550
01:32:06,199 --> 01:32:11,520
get away with it, because there's any there's nothing that

1551
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,039
I mean, what would you do, like who how I mean,

1552
01:32:14,119 --> 01:32:15,880
I guess it would have to be Trump contesting. It

1553
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:19,760
is the only way that could potentially even happen if

1554
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,079
they didn't noticeably steal it.

1555
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:27,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. So again, it is the electoral college which elects right,

1556
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,520
you know, and you know we do. Americas do not

1557
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,399
have a right to vote to president of United States.

1558
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:39,000
We elect electors, and those electors are you know, aren't

1559
01:32:39,039 --> 01:32:42,520
aren't bound by the way. And what we don't know,

1560
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,119
so we also don't realize is that the states themselves

1561
01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:47,960
could change the law. They won't. But we learned this

1562
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,479
in two thousand when Florida had its UH had its

1563
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:54,800
electoral college compromise. I mean, there's a chance that wouldn't

1564
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,079
be represented in the December nineteenth vote when they go

1565
01:32:57,119 --> 01:33:00,359
to Washington and actually elect the president. Because it's dispute

1566
01:33:00,359 --> 01:33:02,960
between Gord and Bush. There was a chance that they

1567
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,560
wouldn't meet the deadline they had to be certified by

1568
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,960
a certain date to go to Washington, d c. And

1569
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,640
so the state legislature was going to step in and

1570
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:15,079
appoint the electors, which because the Constitution gives the states

1571
01:33:16,079 --> 01:33:20,640
total authority to decide the manner in which the electors

1572
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,840
are chosen. All the states have chosen a general election,

1573
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:29,439
you know, to elect electors since the nineteenth century. But

1574
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:30,960
it used to be that they'd be appointed by the

1575
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,520
state legislature in many cases. I think that's why Jackson

1576
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,800
is considered the first Democratic elected president because his election

1577
01:33:37,279 --> 01:33:42,520
most states had their electors elected at large. But so

1578
01:33:43,079 --> 01:33:46,399
the point is that because of the dispute in two thousand,

1579
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:52,039
the legislation in Florida, which was Republican controlled, was about

1580
01:33:52,039 --> 01:33:56,039
to appoint the electors. And they have plenary authority, I

1581
01:33:56,039 --> 01:33:57,840
think is the term is used in the Constitution to

1582
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,239
choose the manner in which the electors are chosen. So

1583
01:34:00,279 --> 01:34:02,720
no Supreme Court, no one can question it. It's the

1584
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:06,279
electors that which is popul elected the state legislature, and

1585
01:34:06,319 --> 01:34:08,680
they were going to do that. Say listen, we're getting

1586
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:10,760
tired of all this, all this back and forth, all

1587
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,680
this all this uh litigation and media. We're just going

1588
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,399
to appoint the electors. But that's when the Supreme Court

1589
01:34:16,399 --> 01:34:19,159
stepped in stopped the voting recounts which were started by

1590
01:34:19,159 --> 01:34:22,760
the state Florida Supreme Court, which is stepping into the

1591
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,720
stepping into it and involving itself, which is very liberal.

1592
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:27,720
By the way, Florida had this weird situation where the

1593
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,119
Florida Supreme Court is really liberal and the legislature was

1594
01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:33,600
really conservative. So you had that going with the year

1595
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:37,199
the Florida Supreme Court uh stepping in and ordering recounts

1596
01:34:37,239 --> 01:34:40,600
all over the place. So the point is, then the

1597
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:43,600
Supreme Court steps in with this ruling that says that

1598
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:47,520
it's a violation of equal protection or something, which is ridiculous,

1599
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:50,279
and they give the Bush the election over to Bush.

1600
01:34:50,399 --> 01:34:52,800
The odd thing about that election was that if you

1601
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,680
just let the slate state legislature do it, they would

1602
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:58,760
have given the election to Bush. Anyway. For some reason,

1603
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:00,800
the court had to step in and do this and

1604
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,720
confuse the matter. Maybe they just like doing that with

1605
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:05,479
this weird decision that they came up with, you know,

1606
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,600
with the Bush v. Gore where they hobbly have this

1607
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:10,920
weird decision where it's a violation of equal protection or

1608
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:14,720
something because the recounts. There was no standard for recounts,

1609
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:16,560
you know, with the voting, remember the hanging chads and

1610
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,960
all that stuff, m and there was you know, whether

1611
01:35:20,199 --> 01:35:21,840
what was a valid ballot or not. And then of

1612
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:25,039
course that was a great propagandagainst paper ballots, wasn't it.

1613
01:35:25,119 --> 01:35:29,920
So yeah, that's a good point, is that SiO to

1614
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:34,720
bring in electron bring electronic right, yeah, so efficient and clean, yeah, right.

1615
01:35:38,039 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 3: Like the transition to electronic currency will be.

1616
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 2: Yes, it's convenient, clean and you know, you know great,

1617
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:46,640
and you just can't look into the you can't look

1618
01:35:47,159 --> 01:35:49,920
inside the box. You have to accept the results.

1619
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 3: But it's interestingly being sold as a security means, which

1620
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:58,119
is ridiculous. Yeah, which you have much greater security with

1621
01:35:58,159 --> 01:35:59,600
electronic currency yet, right.

1622
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like security in your home, right ADT monitoring.

1623
01:36:03,319 --> 01:36:04,520
Let us watch your home for you.

1624
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, a lot a bunch of creepy guys sitting

1625
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,439
at a computer somewhere and just watch your home all

1626
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:13,199
day for you.

1627
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 2: What was that? There was an NFL player who was

1628
01:36:16,119 --> 01:36:21,640
charged with killing uh was it girlfriends? None of his

1629
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:25,600
girlfriend was some guy who had something to do with

1630
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:27,319
his with his girlfriend of fiance. I'm not sure what

1631
01:36:27,359 --> 01:36:29,960
they did. He basically was charged with murder and they

1632
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:35,800
used his home security system against them. Wow, So there

1633
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:38,239
you go. I mean you bet off with a gun

1634
01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:39,359
and a good lock, you know.

1635
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 3: So all right, well I'm have to yeah, go for

1636
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:44,479
the evening, but this is this has been good, and

1637
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:48,279
then I'll have the next final installment of Tragy No

1638
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:49,159
hope up soon.

1639
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:53,399
Speaker 2: Excellent. Well, listen, thanks a lot. Jay's Jay Jay's Analysis

1640
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,479
of course Jays analysis dot com where you can listen

1641
01:36:56,520 --> 01:37:00,399
to his UH lectures, his reports, his analysis is articles

1642
01:37:00,399 --> 01:37:02,920
are great and you can also support his work by

1643
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,800
signed by subscribing for four ninety five a month sixty

1644
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:07,640
dollars a year. Right, had that correct?

1645
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:08,079
Speaker 3: Ye?

1646
01:37:08,279 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 2: And your book is coming out a few weeks Hollywood.

1647
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, very very very soon next week or two.

1648
01:37:14,399 --> 01:37:17,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, listen, I'll let you go, and thanks a lot,

1649
01:37:17,319 --> 01:37:18,880
and I'll have this up soon. When I do, I'll

1650
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,520
send you the link. All right, Thanks Dan, great, good night,

1651
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:22,039
take it easy.

1652
01:37:22,960 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 5: Bye.

1653
01:37:41,720 --> 01:39:16,159
Speaker 6: And kid.

1654
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 1: Said, it.

1655
01:39:53,760 --> 01:40:38,720
Speaker 6: S stand.

1656
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:19,600
Speaker 1: Times things, persons.

1657
01:41:22,760 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 7: Singing, it's it's as christiscause things. If this.

1658
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:18,640
Speaker 2: Is just a.

1659
01:42:28,079 --> 01:43:14,600
Speaker 7: Stuff at doing something, nothings that stas should sections

1660
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:35,319
Speaker 1: Intention of