Speaker 1: I've been asked to come up here, get you both
Speaker 1: out at the closet.
Speaker 2: Man, this is some crazy shit.
Speaker 3: Why won't you both just come out of closet?
Speaker 1: And he said, we're not coming out the closet.
Speaker 2: You can just go away, but everyone wants you out
Speaker 2: the closet.
Speaker 3: That doesn't matter because we're gonna stay.
Speaker 2: Now. I'm starting to get angry, so I pull out
Speaker 2: my gun kick. Welcome to going down to South, part
Speaker 2: of the podcast where we always have ourselves of time,
Speaker 2: and also the show where we can never come out
Speaker 2: of the closet. I'm Downdo and.
Speaker 1: I'm going I thought you're gonna say, this is the
Speaker 1: podcast where we.
Speaker 2: Was pulling a gun kap a bitch.
Speaker 1: I'm always stepping on favorite moment here. But we'll get
Speaker 1: to that when we get to that. But yes, a
Speaker 1: lot to discuss when it comes to Trapped in the Closet,
Speaker 1: A lot going on on screen, a lot going on
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Yeah, it was almost too much, you know.
Speaker 1: I sort of opened wiki pages and various other things
Speaker 1: concerning what surrounded Trapped in the Closet, and I was like, that's.
Speaker 2: Too much to it. Stuff. Well, first of all, I
Speaker 2: think it's one of the probably the most controversial episode
Speaker 2: of South Part besides the Muhammed ones. I think they're
Speaker 2: the ones that will always be the peak, right, but
Speaker 2: this one here you look at what it was controversial
Speaker 2: for and looking at it through a twenty twenty six lens,
Speaker 2: I'm watching this going, this all just seems ludicrous, ridiculous.
Speaker 2: You know, the idea of a TV network being held ransom.
Speaker 2: You cannot broadcast this show and people going, but I
Speaker 2: really want to watch it, just in the world where
Speaker 2: it feels like everything is accessible, you can find it somewhere.
Speaker 2: Twitter's probably the home for that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 2: if there's footage that's sort of banned or what, have
Speaker 2: just gone on Twitter and type it in and you'll
Speaker 2: find it right.
Speaker 1: Or Twitter would just show it to you whether you
Speaker 1: want to see it or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, but you watch it and it's going you.
Speaker 2: Cruise has denied it, but it's a Cruise is saying that,
Speaker 2: you know, he won't do the mission impossible three press
Speaker 2: tour unless you don't add this again. And Hayes left
Speaker 2: the show apparently because they were taking down saying scientology
Speaker 2: and as all that's been bunked and I was just reading, going,
Speaker 2: I'm sure in the moment this seemed like such big news,
Speaker 2: but you watched it, as I said, through twenty twenty
Speaker 2: six eyes and you're going, man, we've changed a lot
Speaker 2: when it realized to media and access to things and
Speaker 2: just what is deemed controversial now.
Speaker 1: Well, what I was thinking about is that you've got
Speaker 1: the two sort of heavy hitters of celebrity, heavy hitters
Speaker 1: of scientology at this day.
Speaker 2: At the time. Yeah, yeah, Travolta and Cruise. But that's
Speaker 2: what I one to I want to before you go.
Speaker 2: One is that I was old enough to remember it
Speaker 2: being controversial, but not really aware of what the whole
Speaker 2: controversially stemmed from it. And you were obviously someone who's
Speaker 2: reviewing TV movies. Can you tap me back? What was
Speaker 2: it like when this came out? Was it a huge deal? Somewhat?
Speaker 1: But then it also felt a bit ginned up as well.
Speaker 1: I mean I think anyone with you know, half a
Speaker 1: lick of common sense would kind of go, well, scientology
Speaker 1: is kind of a scam, right, I mean, it had
Speaker 1: been around forever, well not forever, but it's certainly been
Speaker 1: around long enough that you either were like oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is that weird fringe pseudo religion or oh this
Speaker 1: is that cult slash scam that managed to you know,
Speaker 1: draw in a few big names and sort of use
Speaker 1: them as magnets to get to you know, the rest
Speaker 1: of the the rest of the plebs in.
Speaker 2: Were Cruise and Travoltry the first big names or was
Speaker 2: it just they were the big names of that time.
Speaker 1: As far as I can tell. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think when you thought about Scientology, apart from yeah, Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise and John Travoldi, you generally thought, oh, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: there's a couple.
Speaker 2: Of So John de Volta was widely recognized as one
Speaker 2: of the first major celebrities to openly join Scientology, becoming
Speaker 2: a member in nineteen seventy five. Yeah, I think it
Speaker 2: was part of from the get go, oh so he's
Speaker 2: always been okay, they are they scientologists is what they called.
Speaker 2: That's what they called. Okay, Yeah, so he's always been
Speaker 2: a scientologist.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, yeah, I mean and there was always
Speaker 1: sort of reports like, oh, you know, he couldn't be
Speaker 1: in that movie because the scientologists didn't want him to
Speaker 1: be part of it.
Speaker 2: You know, Christopher Reeve wasn't earlier done. I think you've
Speaker 2: had people who were before. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of took off, but you've got real diehards,
Speaker 1: like like the Vaulter and especially Cruise.
Speaker 2: The Cruise was in essence of the late eighties. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 2: I remember reading I thought it was just they joined
Speaker 2: at that time. I'd been in it for decades.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember reading some article.
Speaker 1: I think it was about the making of the movie
Speaker 1: Far and Away, the moment Nicole Kidman there was, you know,
Speaker 1: I think about the making of it, and apparently Cruise
Speaker 1: was on the set and sort of talking about, Hey,
Speaker 1: scientology is really good, and he was sort of I
Speaker 1: don't think he was putting up like a stall and saying,
Speaker 1: come to me to learn a bit more about scientology.
Speaker 1: There'll be two hundred and forty dollars.
Speaker 2: But is that the actual amount? But it's funny.
Speaker 1: It's fun say, but I distinctly remember a line in
Speaker 1: it from Ron Howd, who directed Far and Away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a bad call it Home and Away,
Speaker 2: saying what I'm thinking of as well, flyway home. That
Speaker 2: was the.
Speaker 1: We're row who seemed like a very sort of level
Speaker 1: headed individuals. Look, scientology is up for me. But if
Speaker 1: it does for people what it does for Tom Cruise,
Speaker 1: maybe he's got something going for it, because there's one
Speaker 1: Cruise was like at his apex and yeah, he's like
Speaker 1: he's he's a genuinely sort of hard worker and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So whatever this guy does, he
Speaker 1: does pretty well. And I get the feeling of scientology
Speaker 1: is kind of the driver of that. So maybe, but
Speaker 1: at this at this stage when Trapped in the Closet
Speaker 1: is released, these two heavy hitters, Travolta and Cruise. First
Speaker 1: of all, they're taking hits and it's related to scientology.
Speaker 1: It feels like because Trevalda has made Battlefield Earth, like
Speaker 1: a few years earlier, and Travalda had that great comeback
Speaker 1: with Pop Fiction. It was like, we've missed you so much,
Speaker 1: we love you, and now you're broken out and get
Speaker 1: Shorty and Phenomenon, which is kind of.
Speaker 2: A complete and Michael and Michael General Staughter is a
Speaker 2: good movie. He was doing pretty well face off and
Speaker 2: face Off, of course.
Speaker 1: But then he made Battlefield Earth, which is like, it's
Speaker 1: my passion project. It's time to bring l Ron Hubbard's
Speaker 1: science ficient epic to the masses.
Speaker 2: And they'll love it. Wait, so, how generally was a
Speaker 2: sci fi writer? Oh yeah, he generally was. So he
Speaker 2: wrote Battleground Earth. He wrote Battlefield Earth.
Speaker 1: I'm going to make it into a big science for
Speaker 1: you and everyone. This is fucking ridiculous. This is awful, John,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And you know, Traval isn't given
Speaker 1: this really sort of scenery showing a hand up performance
Speaker 1: and it kind of oh my goad, well against favorite moments,
Speaker 1: but that kind of really put the brakes on this
Speaker 1: comeback that he was enjoying. I mean, he's still he's
Speaker 1: still working consistently, but he's nowhere any of the start
Speaker 1: that he was postwar fiction. Then also around this time,
Speaker 1: Cruz is one of the biggest stars in the world,
Speaker 1: but he's decided to step away from his longtime PR
Speaker 1: person and sort of I think he either handled the
Speaker 1: reins over to his sister or he also started handling
Speaker 1: a lot of his own PR couch. This is jumping
Speaker 1: on the couch and all this kind of stuff and
Speaker 1: being a lot more open about the fact that I'm
Speaker 1: into scientology. Here's what it can do for people. What
Speaker 1: diage of him sort of talking at conventions all this
Speaker 1: stuff as getting out and it's maybe one of the
Speaker 1: first times in twenty something years of a really successful
Speaker 1: big screen career as a movie star that cruise has
Speaker 1: taken a hit that he's you know, the hits, there
Speaker 1: are chinks in the armor. So yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: sort of it's prime time for someone like Parker and
Speaker 1: Stone to strike and really take a shot at scientology
Speaker 1: and particularly through the frame of showbiz. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's pretty interesting in that regard.
Speaker 2: But it was also one of those things where because
Speaker 2: at the end they pulled the hole, will sue me
Speaker 2: sueing and it felt like that was Parker on the
Speaker 2: Stone living vicaracy three stance, right, So at this time,
Speaker 2: was it a case of you couldn't bad math scient
Speaker 2: told you because they would suit you for it.
Speaker 1: I think they just had a really big war chest.
Speaker 1: I mean they had a lot of money and you know,
Speaker 1: and I think they were pretty leggitious. They would go
Speaker 1: after you if you went after them.
Speaker 2: But so, you know, it's a lot like it's the
Speaker 2: Trump like, so you know how they attached Trump, right,
Speaker 2: And it was a big deal because I can't believe
Speaker 2: they went there. Was it a big deal that someone
Speaker 2: on the level of Parker and Stone was openly just
Speaker 2: criticizing and making fun of scientology and getting away with
Speaker 2: it essentially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think making fun of it absolutely. I think
Speaker 1: this was around the time I forgot the name of
Speaker 1: the generalist. I want to say, Mark Ebner. I think
Speaker 1: he might have written a book or going clear.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. There's so much stuff about scientology around that year.
Speaker 2: And this isn't going to be a Scientology lesson or anything,
Speaker 2: no epis.
Speaker 1: It's more I think, but certainly in the early two
Speaker 1: thousands is when people were like, we're not too sure
Speaker 1: about this scientology thing. And you've got people who were
Speaker 1: disenchanted with the quote unquote church coming forward. You've got
Speaker 1: people who've got family members in there saying I haven't
Speaker 1: spoken to my son or daughter in ten years because
Speaker 1: of their relationship to scientology. The church won't let them.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, just a general ear of air
Speaker 1: or weirdness. I mean, as I said, it'd been around forever.
Speaker 1: It's I would say it's necessarily a California thing, but
Speaker 1: maybe kind of a West Coast thing that there are
Speaker 1: these fringe movements that sort of pop up about self
Speaker 1: improvement or self actualization or whatever, and scientology felt like
Speaker 1: very much that kind of thing. So yeah, in this time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was a case that's like we can
Speaker 1: maybe take a few shots of these people and maybe
Speaker 1: they deserve it.
Speaker 2: I'm watching this, right, and I'm unbiased. I couldn't care.
Speaker 2: If you want to follow scientology, if it makes you
Speaker 2: a better person, and you're pushing it on me, go
Speaker 2: for it, right, b think of what. I think it's
Speaker 2: far fetched a story, but if you want to believe it,
Speaker 2: that's that's your choice. Right. The thing is, I knew
Speaker 2: nothing about scientology even going into this one. I've done
Speaker 2: no research. I haven't really I just I'm not interested
Speaker 2: in scientology. Right. So I'm watching this and they're telling
Speaker 2: the story of the Lord Xenu Xenu, right, yeah, and
Speaker 2: they're going on and on on and you're watching this
Speaker 2: and I'm sort of like half not half asleep. I'm
Speaker 2: sort of you know, it's late last night, and I'm
Speaker 2: watching on this is just parking Stone being ridiculous. And
Speaker 2: also the subtitle and I said, this is what they
Speaker 2: actually believe, and I went, oh, oh, so I wonder
Speaker 2: if I can imagine it would have been a lot
Speaker 2: of people who watched this episode for the first time.
Speaker 2: He might have been in my boat and actually had
Speaker 2: heard of scientology, were not known about scientology, And you
Speaker 2: just have to think that this episode must have been
Speaker 2: such a hit to the I don't know what's the
Speaker 2: term for the credibility of scientology, because you watch this
Speaker 2: going that's what it is, that's your dogma.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Well they did the same thing with Mormonism, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: sort of talking about the whole weird setup with Joseph
Speaker 1: Smith and the golden plates, and like, all right, I wrote,
Speaker 1: I wrote it all down.
Speaker 2: Ah, I can't all that.
Speaker 1: Sort of stuff that stretches credibility. But then at the
Speaker 1: same time, you look at the foundations of any major religion,
Speaker 1: and if I was, if I was to sort of
Speaker 1: break it down for you, if you'd never heard the
Speaker 1: story of God and Jesus and all that kind of
Speaker 1: and the resurrection of the crucifixes, all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I told that you was like, heck of a
Speaker 1: story there.
Speaker 2: You want to be in pictures. But I think a
Speaker 2: lot of it is you have to clutch at straws
Speaker 2: in some regard. You have to suspend it if you
Speaker 2: want to believe, you've got to suspend somewhat of it
Speaker 2: to actually believe the full story. It's faith, right, That's
Speaker 2: what faith is. Yeah. Yeah, so you want to overlook
Speaker 2: it's like it doesn't make sense, but I don't care
Speaker 2: because the end game is what I want to get to.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I know if you ask me, any good
Speaker 1: religion boils down to a handful of tenets that you
Speaker 1: live by. We've spoken about this before in terms of
Speaker 1: like do unto others as you would be done unto
Speaker 1: live and let live that.
Speaker 2: Kind of stuff. You were mentioned before too, that they've
Speaker 2: taken down Mormonism and what Scientology is not the first
Speaker 2: religion I've taken. They've taken it basically every religion but
Speaker 2: portots at everybody.
Speaker 1: And that's and that leads to the whole clash that
Speaker 1: I think they had if they did have one with
Speaker 1: Isaac Hayes, who was a member of the Church of Scientology.
Speaker 2: Because it's one of those things where Chef just feels
Speaker 2: like such a staple of the show and the show
Speaker 2: that was different when Chef was sort of no longer
Speaker 2: on the show as often. I think we're up to
Speaker 2: nearly the end of season nine now, and I felt
Speaker 2: like Chef's been a bit of a side character for
Speaker 2: a good season or two by this point. So it's
Speaker 2: not like they because they wouldn't have had this episode
Speaker 2: planned for seasons seasons ago. So Isaac has obviously already
Speaker 2: taken a backward step from being on the show full time.
Speaker 2: But the story is that he was so annoyed that
Speaker 2: they took on Scientology, he asked them not to do it.
Speaker 2: They did it anyway, that he quit the show. That's
Speaker 2: what the story was in the beginning, and it feels
Speaker 2: like Parkeringstone must have believed it at the time, because
Speaker 2: there was it became a little bitter, and I've read
Speaker 2: online it was saying stuff like they were saying, Oh,
Speaker 2: it's all right for him to not care about when
Speaker 2: we took down this Christianity and all this stuff, but
Speaker 2: now scientology, now he cares. Sure. Isaac his son has
Speaker 2: come out since and said that Isaac didn't actually put
Speaker 2: out the letter or the statement saying that he's going
Speaker 2: to quit as a result. It was like his assistance
Speaker 2: or something who were also scientologists.
Speaker 1: Well, you do hear that a lot about celebrities who
Speaker 1: associated with scientology, they have these handlers or they have
Speaker 1: tears yeah, or elders of the church or you know,
Speaker 1: sort of high ranking members of the church who will say, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't take this role or don't be associated with this
Speaker 1: kind of material or whatever, because you know it'll put
Speaker 1: it'll hold you in a bad light, and therefore the
Speaker 1: church in a bad light. Look, I wouldn't put I
Speaker 1: wouldn't put it past Yeah, anyone to be in that
Speaker 1: kind of situation.
Speaker 2: I'd love to obviously would have been asked a million times,
Speaker 2: probably already, but you know, to get Parker and Stone
Speaker 2: in a room and just go, because I'm sure they
Speaker 2: haven't got many regrets. You can't live with regrets when
Speaker 2: you when you're that kind of you, when you have
Speaker 2: that kind of bravado, you can't really live with regrets.
Speaker 2: But I wonder if that's one thing they kind of
Speaker 2: regret to an extent, the way they sever Tiree with
Speaker 2: Isaac Hayes, and that the Chef capter being killed off,
Speaker 2: and because Chef was such a big part of what
Speaker 2: made the show South Park. Certainly absolutely he was the
Speaker 2: go to guy for the kids and for to end,
Speaker 2: so bitterly I thought, it's just it's a bit disappointing
Speaker 2: as a fan.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I mean Chef was always sort of
Speaker 1: like a I won't say the heart of the show,
Speaker 1: but a voice of reason in a lot of way.
Speaker 2: Was the voice of reason. He's the one the boys
Speaker 2: went to when they needed help. Everyone else in the
Speaker 2: South Park was insane. It was almost like he was
Speaker 2: not the Frank Rhymes, but he was just he was
Speaker 2: the normal person who had, like he said, the voice
Speaker 2: of reason. He was able to see things the non
Speaker 2: biased perspective and give a sensible, clear eyed moral center
Speaker 2: of the show. Yeah, and you'd love to get funky,
Speaker 2: of course, yes, and yeah, just so we never know
Speaker 2: the truth. His son says, the eyes that didn't quit
Speaker 2: because of that, it's because of health issues. And I
Speaker 2: think there's the truth somewhere in there, right somewhere in
Speaker 2: the middle, because I feel like he must have had
Speaker 2: some sort of health issues or there must have been
Speaker 2: something going on, because he hasn't been on the show
Speaker 2: that off. That's right, And the last time they used
Speaker 2: him in a main way was when he was basically
Speaker 2: thrown out to the wolves when they were going through
Speaker 2: the crowd in the whatever it was. I was trying
Speaker 2: to get to a rock concept.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, yeah, that's right with the yeah
Speaker 1: with the hippie jam bands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that's right.
Speaker 1: In the name of the episode. Yeah, yeah, you're not
Speaker 1: the one we're talking about it.
Speaker 2: Yes. But also the other thing about this episode, watching
Speaker 2: it right is now again watching it through twenty twenty
Speaker 2: six eyes right, I lived through so I found this
Speaker 2: episode funny because I lived through them. I was old enough.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and five Donimee Stent was going on.
Speaker 2: I lived through that era. The idea of Tom Cruise
Speaker 2: and John de Volta, are they gay? Are they not?
Speaker 2: We just come out of the closet. That was such
Speaker 2: a punchline for this episode, to the point where I
Speaker 2: felt they kind of overdid it, overdid it a bit. Right,
Speaker 2: But I'm watching this going try and explain this to
Speaker 2: a twenty to someone who was born fifteen years ago,
Speaker 2: someone who's like fifteen and twenty years old now, and
Speaker 2: say yeah, because they're trying, They're trying to say come out,
Speaker 2: we just come out of the closet. I think the
Speaker 2: response you would get would be something on the lines
Speaker 2: of eight who were Tom Cruise and who were John
Speaker 2: de Voulter because they're huge stars in our eyes. But
Speaker 2: as we discussed on the movie Guy with Martin and
Speaker 2: Davis recently, is Tom Cruise a huge star to anyone
Speaker 2: under the age of twenty or is it just that
Speaker 2: guy that does stunts in the Mission Impossible movies? Right,
Speaker 2: John de Volta, who's John Devolter? Very much? He's that
Speaker 2: guy that my mum watched in that movie Grease. That's
Speaker 2: that's who he is, right to a lot of young people.
Speaker 2: The other question would be the other response that they
Speaker 2: would give you is who cares that they get kills? Yeah,
Speaker 2: But at that time in two thousand and five, it
Speaker 2: was like, will you just come out, look, it's just
Speaker 2: but and it was like, we're making fun of them
Speaker 2: for you gay? Aren't you gay? It's just a minute?
Speaker 2: You gay?
Speaker 1: It feels kind of childish, and particularly coming from Parker
Speaker 1: and Start, who are generally more sort of inclusive and.
Speaker 2: Embracing, it feels petty and childish. Watching it now did
Speaker 2: it feel But I'm not sure where it would have
Speaker 2: felt petty and childish to the majority in two thousand
Speaker 2: and five who are watching it. Hmm, it seems petty
Speaker 2: in hindsight and childish in hindsight. But did it come
Speaker 2: across that way when you first watched this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to recall how I sort of felt
Speaker 1: about it. I think my response is probably the same.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're really sort of you're fluming a
Speaker 1: dead horse a little bit here.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think there had always been rumors about Travolta and
Speaker 1: to the point where it's like, do we even really care?
Speaker 2: Who cares? Yea and Cruise maybe.
Speaker 1: A little different. Cruise is such an interesting.
Speaker 2: Case, different personality is in my opinion, that's correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And all the stardom that he's got and for
Speaker 1: everything that he sort of gives us on Cruise, Yeah, Cruiz,
Speaker 1: he's never really sort of come across the one thing
Speaker 1: that's I won't say, the one thing that stopped him
Speaker 1: from me the ultimate leading man because as far as
Speaker 1: winds and he kind of is the ultimate leading man
Speaker 1: of Hollywood movies in the last maybe thirty years.
Speaker 2: I reckon, I don't not to me, he's not see
Speaker 2: I didn't live through the I wasn't old enough in
Speaker 2: the eighties when he was like eighties, early nineties. I
Speaker 2: was still a kid. He's he's the mission impossible guy
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get where you're coming from. I think from
Speaker 1: the mid eighties onwards and maybe until say the early
Speaker 1: two thousands, I mean, he was taking on pretty much
Speaker 1: every genre there was and doing really well and just
Speaker 1: about all of them. He was working with every top director,
Speaker 1: proved himself as a really solid dramatic actor, a really
Speaker 1: good action star, could do comedy. Yeah, there was not
Speaker 1: a lot he couldn't do. But you never really bought
Speaker 1: him as like a romantic lead. Anytime he was and
Speaker 1: his coach are and along the side the most beautiful
Speaker 1: women in the world and only occasionally sparking with something yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't quite work. And I think that's I think
Speaker 1: that sort of led to people going, this guy actually
Speaker 1: like women, or yeah, oh he's married to Nicole Kimman
Speaker 1: and all that, and oh they're appearing in this really
Speaker 1: sexy Stanley Kubrick movie together, but really is it working?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So and then when around this time when he does
Speaker 1: the whole Katie Holmes thing, He's like, oh, I mean
Speaker 1: I met Katy Holmes and I'm in love and I'm
Speaker 1: jumping on Overra's cats like you're working awfully hard to
Speaker 1: convince it about this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're in the dude, that's cool.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think anybody's gonna mind too much. And
Speaker 1: the people who do mind, fuck them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But for me, the reason I said no to
Speaker 2: your statement that he is the best leading man of
Speaker 2: the last thirty years, as you said to the early
Speaker 2: two thousands, that's twenty five years ago. That is true.
Speaker 2: You've got you're going to go back forty five years.
Speaker 2: What's what forty five years? What's forty that's note in
Speaker 2: eighty right, note in eighty one, it's forty five years.
Speaker 1: Ago, which is when he basically starts.
Speaker 2: So maybe of the Chrison really become a star until
Speaker 2: like eighty three, eighty four. Okay, that's risky business times, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: but yeah, so I'm just watching this going, wow, this
Speaker 2: this is how we were weren't we? We? Really? Well?
Speaker 2: Like this like this was this was comedy. And it's
Speaker 2: not just South Park, It's Simpson's. There's so many shows
Speaker 2: we've been doing a Futurama review have to do this
Speaker 2: and it's called a gay panic joke, but so gay
Speaker 2: it's just sort of where being gay is the punchline
Speaker 2: kind of thing which you just wouldn't do anymore, and
Speaker 2: I think we're better for it. But yeah, again, not
Speaker 2: that I didn't like this episode as a result, because
Speaker 2: I was able to go, I'm watching this with two
Speaker 2: thousand and five eyes. But when we're doing these reviews,
Speaker 2: you got to watch it from both. You're gotta watch it. Remember,
Speaker 2: remember when we first watched it, And what's it like
Speaker 2: watching it now? And I don't think this episode is
Speaker 2: as funny now because again, a young person who's fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty watching this episode now, they going blind. I don't
Speaker 2: think they have any clue what's going on? What's the Kelly? Shit?
Speaker 2: What what that guy that like is in prison for raping? Shit?
Speaker 2: Why is he here?
Speaker 1: We're not really that concerned about our Kelly anymore. We've
Speaker 1: got Diddy to worry about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just like you're going to wait, why
Speaker 2: is our Kelly here? Closet in the closet.
Speaker 1: You're really sort of drawn together all these disparate elements,
Speaker 1: and good on your partner and zone for John Smith
Speaker 1: and Jane Smith, ye, making it all sort of seeming cohesive.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this feels very much of its time in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. But it's still one of the more
Speaker 2: iconic episodes of South Park of all time because of
Speaker 2: what it meant at that time at that time. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: but is it all that, But it is one of
Speaker 2: the best, It's I don't think it's one of the
Speaker 2: best episodes, no, because it doesn't have staying power. I
Speaker 2: don't think so. No, We've had much funnier episodes that
Speaker 2: that touch on forever themes, you know, things like racism
Speaker 2: and that kind of thing that where our immigration where
Speaker 2: it all. Just to this day, it's like this feels
Speaker 2: just as rather than now as it does when at
Speaker 2: first aired. This one here doesn't feel Nah.
Speaker 1: And even with the seemingly evergreen topic of everything in
Speaker 1: the religion is usually made up and a lot of
Speaker 1: it is to you know, take money out of your
Speaker 1: pocket and put it into theirs, and you know, scientology
Speaker 1: is maybe just a little more blatant about it, or
Speaker 1: the grift is a little more obvious. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: for it to not have that kind of staying power
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, it feels a little bit odd.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, oh yeah, I've got a few laughs
Speaker 1: and a few smiles out.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's funny because I was able to watch it
Speaker 2: going out because I knew what they were going for.
Speaker 2: But I just think a younger you would have be
Speaker 2: clueless watching.
Speaker 1: This, and that's that's difficult. I mean, there are times
Speaker 1: when episodes like that will make it go. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of interested in this topic, so I might do a
Speaker 1: bit of research and learn about scientology and that I
Speaker 1: might find out a bit about all the controversy surrounding
Speaker 1: this episode, you know, behind the scenes and what it
Speaker 1: led to sort of you know, legal confrontations and breakdowns
Speaker 1: and creative relationships, all.
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But you know, actually just watching it for itself, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's one or two good laughs in here, but.
Speaker 2: You've done better. They're not making this episode though in
Speaker 2: two thousand and five to go. I need to make
Speaker 2: sure when two guys and gelong are watching it in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six that it still feels culturally relevant. Well,
Speaker 2: that's their mistake, it is, indeed, But again, they are
Speaker 2: a show that they do touch on. Foreverythings a touching on,
Speaker 2: but they do their Their backbone of their show is
Speaker 2: being culturally significant relevant in the moment doing things that
Speaker 2: no one else will do in that moment, and I
Speaker 2: think that's what makes this episode not necessarily the funniest,
Speaker 2: but it's definitely one of the most culturally significant episodes,
Speaker 2: sure because of what it tackled at the time attackled it. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I agree with there. Plus also I've found an interest
Speaker 2: in that for an episode that was so based around
Speaker 2: manipulation and religion and stealing money and that kind of thing,
Speaker 2: and Carten's not really doesn't really play a big role
Speaker 2: in this, And I think that's a deliberate choice because
Speaker 2: if you put Cartman in the shoes of Stan, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't make sense that he wouldn't want to try, and
Speaker 2: you would almost want to take over the church's paology.
Speaker 2: It has to be someone who feels like the because
Speaker 2: Stan feels like the most normal, casual viewer, so the
Speaker 2: casual view of relates to stand the most. I think
Speaker 2: of all the of all the kids of the of
Speaker 2: South Park, stands the most normal, safe quotation with normal kid,
Speaker 2: So for him to be because by the end he's
Speaker 2: always convinced as well he is like three Doors might
Speaker 2: think I might do this as well. It just shows
Speaker 2: how easy these things manipulate people in the door and
Speaker 2: how he I mean he was swayed to join Scientology
Speaker 2: by saying you're depressed. He's like, I don't ever know
Speaker 2: why I'm depressed, but I'm depressed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Parker and someone realized, yeah, Scientology is the
Speaker 1: big bad here needs to be taken that if we
Speaker 1: put Cartman in a position where it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is where two evil forces joined forwards to become
Speaker 1: like the evilest empire of them all, where it's like, no,
Speaker 1: you know, we need to have a character who will
Speaker 1: be swayed by it, be seduced by to some degree,
Speaker 1: but also pushed back against it, and realized, look, if
Speaker 1: we're talking about a religion here, isn't a religion supposed
Speaker 1: to provide help, help and solace and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff and not take money out of people's pockets,
Speaker 1: or at least not take as much money out.
Speaker 2: Of people's pockets.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to build those churches somehow.
Speaker 2: I think also, if Cartman's in that role, I think
Speaker 2: Scientology almost becomes the sympathetic character that's correct, yes, which
Speaker 2: is not what they were going for. They want.
Speaker 1: They wanted to stick a pin in the inside Ptology, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they did.
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Speaker 2: from the episode?
Speaker 1: I like our parkering Stone will take the mickey out
Speaker 1: of the forced friendliness of organizations, religions.
Speaker 2: What have you.
Speaker 1: It's like Brian's good Times, good Times.
Speaker 2: Hey, Greg, Hey, it's de Yeah, that's good Greg, And
Speaker 2: sorry Greg.
Speaker 1: I already alluded to Kelly, so we'll out my gun
Speaker 1: and just everyone going after it every time just always
Speaker 1: made me.
Speaker 2: Laugh because we need to mention. Trapped in the Closet
Speaker 2: is a I didn't realize as a series. It's like
Speaker 2: a multi part soap opera. Yes, bizarre. Yeah, I've never
Speaker 2: been a huge Kelly guy, and I believe I can
Speaker 2: fly because of my limitations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say that just because I'm a good person.
Speaker 2: He did know he did Ignition, didn't he? Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Ignitions Hot and Fresh out the Kitchen. That was a
Speaker 2: big song when I was when I was younger, he
Speaker 2: had one or two. I guess Bangers's. It's the only
Speaker 2: sort of stain on the space jam aura is that
Speaker 2: you're watching them.
Speaker 1: Going, I love this song and stuff we can't enjoy.
Speaker 2: I love this song. But I say, like I said
Speaker 2: before on the podcast, I think I've got friends who say,
Speaker 2: you've got to skip that part. You can't let him
Speaker 2: listen to that song. And I was like, if Elliott
Speaker 2: likes listened to that song, he's allowed to enjoy that song,
Speaker 2: enjoy the art, not the artist. Yeah. So yeah, So
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I'm able to sort of
Speaker 2: look past I'm like, I like this song, but still
Speaker 2: Kelly being this episode trapped into closet and had a
Speaker 2: soap opera series online or something.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Chinatown's one of the best American movies
Speaker 1: ever made. Roe mclansky come to a piece of ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of ways for one particular action.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also enjoyed because now I'm starting to get
Speaker 2: this with with Elliott. If he wants this something, this
Speaker 2: kind of thing, Okay, we'll save your pocket money and
Speaker 2: buy it and standing going. But that's my money. It's like,
Speaker 2: ah see, child, exactly. Money doesn't grow on trees.
Speaker 1: And look we've already alluded to just their impression. Volt God,
Speaker 1: it's so easy to sort of make fun of.
Speaker 2: You forget well on my guid right the Oh my god,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. It's one of those things where sometimes
Speaker 2: you forget where it comes from. Everyone just does it,
Speaker 2: and I think probably like you know, does it actually
Speaker 2: come from? It? Is it? Is it from Welcome Back Cotter?
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, miss Gator? Was it just
Speaker 2: sort of takeing the way to get mister? But the
Speaker 2: way it's said here is the way people do it.
Speaker 2: They go but that they're not doing a Jount of
Speaker 2: Volter from Welcome Back Cotter impersonation. They're doing John of
Speaker 2: Volter and out career. Oh we got And I think
Speaker 2: I reckon two out of five people that do it
Speaker 2: don't even know where it comes from, but it just
Speaker 2: sounds good and it's just become part of who we
Speaker 2: are and how we.
Speaker 1: Speak to about revolters quickly and feel free.
Speaker 2: To cut this out. Okay, that's there was a thing
Speaker 2: going around what he did for my mom. I interviewed
Speaker 2: him face to face.
Speaker 1: One said, like, who you bursting with the charism, right sir.
Speaker 1: There was a picture going around and it was apparently
Speaker 1: like from a nineteen eighty issue of Cosmopolitan magazine in
Speaker 1: the US, where they would have like batterer of the month.
Speaker 1: It's like doctor Jeffrey Epstein of Manhattan. He only, you know,
Speaker 1: handles the finances of people who make more than a
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. If you're a hot Texan gal,
Speaker 1: you want to meet this guy. Into the picture and
Speaker 1: there's a picture of nineteen eighties Jeffrey mstyle. And he
Speaker 1: looked a bit like I use the line tm mootravoltera
Speaker 1: because he's got that. He had that same kind of very.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got the same sort of Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll try and find the picture and
Speaker 1: it to you. But oh boy, I don't want to be.
Speaker 2: Associated as every episode to talk about somebody like that.
Speaker 2: We've got r Cali and all this stuff. Mazzle throwed
Speaker 2: in as well, oh yeah, yes, that's okay.
Speaker 1: Remember there are no stupid questions, just stupid people trivia time.
Speaker 2: My first question for you is when Stam was writing
Speaker 2: his you know, his Bible. Yes, where did he say
Speaker 2: the brainwash ghosts were from?
Speaker 1: Oh? Was it some kind of it was the cluttering
Speaker 1: nebula or something that's the planet living on. My first
Speaker 1: question is at the very start of the episode, they're
Speaker 1: at Twin Pines Plaza. There's a pizza place at Twin
Speaker 1: Pines Plaza.
Speaker 2: What is the name of it? And for a bonus point,
Speaker 2: can you spell it? I'm going to get any of
Speaker 2: them that.
Speaker 1: It's Marlow's Pizza, but it's spelled m A R L
Speaker 1: e au like a French version Marloos Pizza.
Speaker 2: There we go. Sounds like you're kind of pizza store.
Speaker 2: You bet you are. Your Enzo's right, Oh? Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to show Dan Dough that's young Epstein.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you see that. I can see Tivolter, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can see it in there. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Financial Stratege Jeffrey Epstein twenty seven talks only to people
Speaker 1: who make over him the du year exclamation mark. If
Speaker 1: you're a cute Texas girl, quote unquote, write this New
Speaker 1: York Dynamo at.
Speaker 2: Addressed or redacted the Bachelor of the month.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, Jesus Christ. Okay, next question from you. You
Speaker 1: had to be there, so it really didn't.
Speaker 2: I know. When they do the news report, they say
Speaker 2: cruise has been in the closet for a certain amount
Speaker 2: of hours.
Speaker 1: Oh, three hours, four four. Speaking of numbers, how many
Speaker 1: years has the president of Scientology been waiting for this day?
Speaker 2: I think it's forty two, right, it is forty two,
Speaker 2: forty two. And my final question is what was the
Speaker 2: rating of his Thetan level stands?
Speaker 1: He was like an nine nine. Yeah, that other guy
Speaker 1: was eighty seven. He's remember the church all his lab
Speaker 1: I got one more question, give me again, numbers. What
Speaker 1: is the what's the name and number of the helicopter
Speaker 1: that the President of Scientology arrives in South Park on?
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good question. Didn't get it. What was it?
Speaker 2: It was the l Ron seven Elron seven. I like
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Speaker 2: there as if you needed any more reason. Indeed, all right,
Speaker 2: So the original air eddate of this episode, mister Davis
Speaker 2: was November sixteenth, two thousand and five. Top three films
Speaker 2: at the US box Office, number three. Zathura a space adventure.
Speaker 2: I've never seen this any good Jumanji sequel.
Speaker 1: It's not bad, yeah, sort of like a Jamanzi sequel
Speaker 1: in name only, name only, Yeah, yeah, I remember being okay,
Speaker 1: kind of fun.
Speaker 2: Kids want to watch it caut on any streaming services.
Speaker 2: Physical media is like forty dollars a Blu Ray. What
Speaker 2: do I do here? Do I download it? Or do
Speaker 2: I downloaded?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry If if the companies an't going to look
Speaker 1: out for us, then you know piracy is ethical and
Speaker 1: in such circumstances. Earlier role for Kristen Stewart and directed
Speaker 1: by John Favreau.
Speaker 2: I believe, yes it is. I think it was.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is the thing that got him
Speaker 1: iron Man, but it's got enough sort of special effects
Speaker 1: and stuff. And the people for FROA can handle handle
Speaker 1: super here, I think.
Speaker 2: And number two is derailed, and number one was Chicken
Speaker 2: Little still at number one two weeks there we go.
Speaker 2: You Little ever get a sequel Chicken Little.
Speaker 1: I do not believe, so derailed. I think is like
Speaker 1: a romantic thriller. During Clive Owen and Jennifer Anna.
Speaker 2: Steve Owen, my man, yeah that guy, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: know you saw in a cafe. Yeah, and you said
Speaker 2: hello to him and he was like, who are you?
Speaker 1: Why are you talking to He was like, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to draw my coffee here, man, the hell out of here.
Speaker 2: There was a kicks off though, with the boys that've
Speaker 2: just come from the comic book store wasting some money
Speaker 2: by buying some buying some trading cards. Never wasting money
Speaker 2: when youre buying trading cars. Trading cards is like the
Speaker 2: big thing again. It's break. It's got breaking packets. You
Speaker 2: rip it up and packets. People live on eBay. Just
Speaker 2: rip it up and packets. See and we can get
Speaker 2: some you know, some some gold. We used to go
Speaker 2: on gold cards, you know, the special cards. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's a big thing. Again. Yeah, but Cartman mock
Speaker 2: stand because Stands says, I'm not going to be buying anything.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to save money for for a bike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, saving money.
Speaker 2: And he suggests we go play laser tag. Again. Stand
Speaker 2: says we can't do that, and as Cartman says, the
Speaker 2: first law of physics everything that's that's fun because at
Speaker 2: least eight dollars, eight dollars yes, and says, okay, BD,
Speaker 2: you we're going to do laser tag. You just you,
Speaker 2: just be you, and Standing comes across. These two people
Speaker 2: are sitting by a table and okay, not just scientoldists,
Speaker 2: anybody who I can see in the distance. I'm going,
Speaker 2: all right, they're going to try and sell stuff for
Speaker 2: some reason. I must look like a guy that would
Speaker 2: be a sucker for this, because they always go for me.
Speaker 2: I now either pretend I'm yelling at the kid, not
Speaker 2: young because I'm not talking to the kids, and Ali's like,
Speaker 2: why are you talking to me? Or I get my
Speaker 2: phone out? Do you try and avoid those people like
Speaker 2: the plague? I just cannot I cannot stand. I don't
Speaker 2: want to I don't want to even have to say
Speaker 2: no to you. I just I'm not interested. Don't engage
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: I have reached and I've been wanting to do this
Speaker 1: for some time. I'm old, and and you hear as
Speaker 1: you get old, it's like, oh, you read to sage.
Speaker 1: You don't give a fuck. I still do? You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know hurt anybody's feelings. I don't want anything
Speaker 1: bad in me. So you know, if you get all
Speaker 1: they used to call them a chugger, like a charity hugger.
Speaker 2: They go, Hey, doing today, mate? Doing all right? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk to you.
Speaker 1: Just for amended about this. Hey, By the way, I
Speaker 1: love your shirt. That's really good. I always compla next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, you've given thirty bucks or something.
Speaker 2: And this happened to me a little while ago.
Speaker 1: I mean, I ended up talking to some kid who
Speaker 1: was out the front of a supermarket and there was
Speaker 1: some good cause they are always good causes, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, And for some reason I ended up signing
Speaker 1: over some money to them, and then looking at the phone,
Speaker 1: friends like, wait a minute, there's an ongoing subscription.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like what the hell.
Speaker 1: I had to get on the phone and say, okay,
Speaker 1: you get this, you get this one donation this month,
Speaker 1: but you're taking me off this list. Since then, I've
Speaker 1: been like, you know what, I'm sorry, I just don't
Speaker 1: care anymore.
Speaker 2: Not that I don't care about the call. I trusted
Speaker 2: you so Brian, I think Wendy or something the two.
Speaker 2: But like, hey, they're a personality test and stands like, well,
Speaker 2: it's fun and it's free. It's a phrase, a phrase.
Speaker 2: The big selling point he is it's free. How could
Speaker 2: it possibly do?
Speaker 1: And you might learn something about yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just find an.
Speaker 1: Empty room here.
Speaker 3: Lots of people getting free test today. Hey, Brian, Hey, Kelly,
Speaker 3: how's it going great? I want you to meet my
Speaker 3: new friend Stan.
Speaker 4: Hey there, how are you fine?
Speaker 3: Brian's gonna give you your personality test and then let
Speaker 3: you know some things about scientology.
Speaker 2: Good times, good times.
Speaker 1: Look, is this a religion because my family is like
Speaker 1: Catholic or something.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's not a problem at all.
Speaker 1: Scientology is more of an alternative to psychology than a religion.
Speaker 1: Then how come that science? Says Church of Scientology?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's just this thing. What's the Denver Broncos record? Now?
Speaker 1: Six and two, seven and two?
Speaker 2: Wow, that's great? All right, come on in and take
Speaker 2: a seat.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have some fun anytime. You know, South Puck
Speaker 1: has done the wall, but it was usually the case. Oh, Scientology,
Speaker 1: it's also the church of big names like Cruise and
Speaker 1: John to I never sort of name check. It's also
Speaker 1: you know Giovanni Ribisi from Avatar and no General from
Speaker 1: the Star of Dama and Greek also is she. They're
Speaker 1: also well known side I like Jenna Elfman. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: always go for the real A lists yes, takes.
Speaker 2: Him in side stand does his tests and just silly
Speaker 2: basic questions like do you ever make remarks that you regret?
Speaker 2: Or do you have a whistle just for the fun
Speaker 2: of it? And I'm much just going I do that.
Speaker 2: He then explains to Stand that he's completely miserable and
Speaker 2: totally depressed, so he's a perfect candidate for Scientology. He
Speaker 2: just needs that tw hundred and forty dollars in order
Speaker 2: to begin helping him get that money, get the bag.
Speaker 2: Scientologist stands having dinner with his family, stands not eating
Speaker 2: because he's just he's not just depress, he's totally depressed.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even know why. And he asked for some money,
Speaker 2: and he mentions that he came across a self help program.
Speaker 2: I love that Randy was considering. It's like, what did
Speaker 2: you break something? I found a self help program. You
Speaker 2: ain't getting my money, kid, And Randy then explains the
Speaker 2: concept of money doesn't grow on trees, and he says,
Speaker 2: you can use your money for your bike out of
Speaker 2: your own savings, but that is my money. It's literally
Speaker 2: a conversation I've had recently with Alian. You want that
Speaker 2: cricket ball, you to buy it with your own pocket money.
Speaker 2: What I had this conversation recently. I feel like the
Speaker 2: way we tap now it's taken out the the idea
Speaker 2: of things, cost of the existence of money, even because
Speaker 2: the other day I said I've got no money to Aliot,
Speaker 2: I can't buy That've got no money, and now it
Speaker 2: goes just tap your phone then as if we'll just
Speaker 2: you know, just tap your phone. Just it's magic. You
Speaker 2: know your phone's got money on it, hasn't it like
Speaker 2: the idea. But then he bought his cricket ball with
Speaker 2: his money that he saved up, and actual cash money,
Speaker 2: and actual cash money. Every time he cleans the floor,
Speaker 2: whatever gets a dollar does. He saved up his money,
Speaker 2: bought his cricket ball and he cherishes this thing because
Speaker 2: he had to part ways with his money that he earned.
Speaker 2: And now it's like, now it's don't cut near my ball.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's special.
Speaker 1: But you have the teacher gets these things yet of
Speaker 1: course yea yeah, I mean that's why you know, actual
Speaker 1: cash money is such a valuable resource.
Speaker 2: It's finite.
Speaker 1: You know, you look at it. What was like, well,
Speaker 1: I had fifty bucks in before.
Speaker 2: Now I get ten. But I now have the mentality too,
Speaker 2: because I was a sucker for after pay, right, But
Speaker 2: I now won't buy anything with after pay. I will
Speaker 2: only buy something if we've got the money in the
Speaker 2: bank to buy outright. And if you start buying things outright,
Speaker 2: you start buying a lot less. All start going I'd
Speaker 2: really rather have the extra twenty dollars in my bank
Speaker 2: right now. So you know, I used to walk around going, ah,
Speaker 2: it's notes eight weeks to pay this stuff. I'll be fine.
Speaker 2: And after bay after bay, after bay after payin all
Speaker 2: of a sudden you've got like three grand on after
Speaker 2: pain You're like, oh, yeah, this actually does cost real money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I never.
Speaker 1: I've never reached the three grand level of after pay.
Speaker 2: I was like two seven or I think the most
Speaker 2: I ever rowed.
Speaker 1: On after pay is something like now twelve hundred bucks.
Speaker 2: Granted this was Christmas time as well, Nicola Crownlely over,
Speaker 2: So we're buying all the Christmas presents on after pay.
Speaker 2: But then it gets the end of January and you go,
Speaker 2: oh shit, oh yeah you remember?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean I was looking at it the
Speaker 1: other day, looking at my after pay account and go, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm down to like I was three hundred bucks over
Speaker 1: the next yeah, said eight weeks or whatever, and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, and then saw there was something on
Speaker 1: Amazon's Oh that's marked down.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it. So I removed the afterpay app
Speaker 2: from my phone. I was like, just will never will
Speaker 2: That's fine too. I completely understand it. But so stand
Speaker 2: here is explaining that, you know he needs the money
Speaker 2: that he says, use your own money. So he says,
Speaker 2: you're going to make your decisions. You're odd enough. Now
Speaker 2: do you want a bike or do you want to
Speaker 2: not be depressed? Just to stand he's signing up. Michelle
Speaker 2: explains the history of l Ron Hubbard and how we
Speaker 2: discover that negative emotions are caused by body thetans, and
Speaker 2: he invented the E meter in order to determine your
Speaker 2: feet and level. So he does the test and at
Speaker 2: first I thought this was all part of employee you know,
Speaker 2: they did a test and they go, oh my god quick.
Speaker 2: I thought that's the sort of something that's a scare tactic.
Speaker 2: But no, it's actually his levels are so high they
Speaker 2: can't believe it. They come to the conclusion that he
Speaker 2: must be the reincarnation of keep saying Alt Hubbard, it's
Speaker 2: of l Ron Hubbard. The levels were O T nine.
Speaker 2: So the facts of the results to the president at
Speaker 2: the Hubbard Celebrity Center in La and he says that
Speaker 2: Hubbard once said that, you know, he lives past lives
Speaker 2: and that his thetans would show themselves once again. He
Speaker 2: is our savior. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not an expert on scientology. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they have like a lineage thing going on. If
Speaker 1: I don't think they actually do that. This is more
Speaker 1: akin to say Buddhism. Okay, the Dalai Lama is sort
Speaker 1: of like reincarnated over again, and yeah, you'll find some
Speaker 1: child was like, oh, okay, I was reading about this
Speaker 1: the other day in some book on Buddhism. How I'll say,
Speaker 1: find a child, not that find a child. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure exactly how it works, but if there's a child
Speaker 1: I think is sort of extraordinarily sensitive to this whole
Speaker 1: kind of thing, I'll put a bunch of objects down
Speaker 1: in front of them, you know, like might be a ball,
Speaker 1: might be a little toy or something like that. But
Speaker 1: they'll also throw in items that used to belong to
Speaker 1: the previous diala lama who has now either died or
Speaker 1: it is too old to do the job. And if
Speaker 1: the child goes yay, that picks up a pair of
Speaker 1: eyeglasses and yeah, these are mine, It's like, okay, reincarnation, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're the next Larmer kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Interesting, but how many
Speaker 2: things that I put on the tables like a one
Speaker 2: in five chance?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I don't think scientology actually has the
Speaker 1: kind of thing where it's like, well, you're the new
Speaker 1: l Ron Hubbard. I think they've just taken that and
Speaker 1: ran with it.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of this, though, if you're going
Speaker 2: to take down scientology and the ridiculousness that it's perceived
Speaker 2: as by many people, the story that's written by al
Speaker 2: Ron Hubbard. I don't think you should be making anything up.
Speaker 2: I don't think they would have made anything up. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously the characters are a bit like the president. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure he is a president based on anyone in particular.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: No, I mean there are sort of high profile scientology personalities.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember who at the top. I think
Speaker 1: one of his named David Muskavidge or Shelling. They may
Speaker 1: be his wife.
Speaker 2: I think the whole point should be this is what
Speaker 2: it actually is. You'd be the judge of whether you
Speaker 2: think this is ridiculous or not. Because I don't think
Speaker 2: any Mormon one do they ever come out in actually
Speaker 2: bad mouth Mormonism or is it just here's what it is.
Speaker 1: I think the hard as they go is the whole
Speaker 1: dum dum dumb dum.
Speaker 2: Dum dumb dum dumb nut where this one here is
Speaker 2: they it's actually come out outright and say no, it's
Speaker 2: literally a scam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, although when they tell the story of like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's Xena when he imprisoned all these people and then
Speaker 1: dump their souls in the Hawaiian volcano or something like that,
Speaker 1: I think you have to have I think underneath saying
Speaker 1: this is what they actually believe, because it's so far fatial,
Speaker 1: it's so over the top. Yeah, otherwise you go, what
Speaker 1: the hell are you talking?
Speaker 2: I thought it was just parking Stone being ridiculous. But
Speaker 2: the thing is, I'm watching this right and before I
Speaker 2: read that part, I'm thinking this just sounds like a
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy sci fi movie. And then I find it
Speaker 2: what the hell? And you actually look him up al
Speaker 2: Ron Hubby. The first thing comes under is American author,
Speaker 2: not like the leader of Scientology is an author? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was just some pulp writer. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: they made the Scientology film, what that story? Have they
Speaker 2: made that into a movie. I don't think so. No.
Speaker 2: I mean surely that there's bank there somewhere if they
Speaker 2: made a Netflix made a Scientology series where it was like,
Speaker 2: this is the you.
Speaker 1: Mean about the story of SCIENTI how Scientology was established,
Speaker 1: the scientology and mythology.
Speaker 2: The story mythology that she tells in this episode I
Speaker 2: beout the souls and whatnot.
Speaker 1: I think there's enough. I think Scientology has enough of
Speaker 1: a bad rap that people would go stop trying to
Speaker 1: push this propaganda on this. I mean you hear that
Speaker 1: so many times in Travala had that movie Phenomenon.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that one? Yeah, which I thought was
Speaker 2: really sweet. What was that song by Could Change?
Speaker 1: I thought it was actually a pretty sweet movie. I
Speaker 1: thought was really good as well. But you have so
Speaker 1: many people saying, oh, well, there's a very thinly veiled
Speaker 1: scientology analogy.
Speaker 2: Likewise, we really okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another one with Will Smith that I think
Speaker 1: people are saying, well, you just put pushing scientology on
Speaker 1: it was even though I don't think Smith is a scientologist.
Speaker 1: So I think anytime people get an inkling was like,
Speaker 1: you're trying to push your religion on us.
Speaker 2: Don't do that. Yeah. I think if Netflix or anyone
Speaker 2: was like.
Speaker 1: Here's the truth, the true story of how scientology was great,
Speaker 1: that people would go now, sorry not interested.
Speaker 2: Was scientology in the mainstream of much before this episode?
Speaker 2: Was this the first real hit piece of scientology.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was. I think this was a
Speaker 1: I think around this time was when people going, so.
Speaker 2: Is this the first time someone came out and like
Speaker 2: just really took it down in.
Speaker 1: A fictional context. Probably, And I think maybe the most
Speaker 1: high profile.
Speaker 2: I think south Park given like this point, like south
Speaker 2: Park was still one of the biggest shows in the world
Speaker 2: at the sure still is one of the bigger shows
Speaker 2: in the world. I think them taking it down would do,
Speaker 2: like I said, in such a hit to their credibility
Speaker 2: that I think I don't think they've ever really recovered,
Speaker 2: because I think a whole generation of us grew up
Speaker 2: with this episode and going, oh well, Parker and Stone Italian,
Speaker 2: this is ridiculous that we're just going to buy that.
Speaker 1: It almost got nipped in the bud in some way.
Speaker 1: It felt like Scientology was kind of on the rise
Speaker 1: throughout the throughout the nineties and early two thousands.
Speaker 2: Was this episode to be part of that?
Speaker 1: Do you think I'd say it was part of a
Speaker 1: multi pronged sault.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think there are a few documentaries and books and
Speaker 1: articles of saying but.
Speaker 2: The kids are watching this though, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. But the generation of us grew up watching
Speaker 2: this going scientology because of this episode. Quite possibly so,
Speaker 2: so Stan has gone to do his his levels of
Speaker 2: the facet through to the President. I like it, they
Speaker 2: said face through to the president, not of the United States. Scientology.
Speaker 2: It's all within their own bubble stands then told to
Speaker 2: take out the garbage, and all the scientologists are out
Speaker 2: the front celebrating. I love He's wonderful. It's wonderful. And
Speaker 2: the President arrives in his Copton and explains to Stand
Speaker 2: that he is the reincarnation of al Roon Hubbard, and
Speaker 2: the parents say, we don't want him to join any
Speaker 2: cults or anything like that. I know he's not joining.
Speaker 2: He's going to lead us. And then we get Travolta.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, is it god?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's Judge Travolta.
Speaker 1: Is this where he lives?
Speaker 2: Is this where runob? It is on the gap? It's
Speaker 2: so fun to say, isn't it. And Randy then sends
Speaker 2: Stan to bed, my mummy and Daddy deal with these people,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately he gets through his and who's in there?
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1: He was just so happy to see the new the
Speaker 1: new version of l Ron.
Speaker 2: I did love stand taking him down, because it feels
Speaker 2: like Tom Cruise in real life would not be able
Speaker 2: to handle somebody saying to him, I mean you're okay,
Speaker 2: We're not as good as DiCaprio or you know they
Speaker 2: guy played the polling dynamite, which was just south. But
Speaker 2: is he a gene Hackman, Is he a DiCaprio? Does
Speaker 2: he have the range of them? Do you think I
Speaker 2: would say? So? Okay, I don't think Tom Cruise can
Speaker 2: pull off Titanic. I don't think you can.
Speaker 1: Believe I think he pullft Titanic if he was, if
Speaker 1: he was the age of DiCaprio at that time. Absolutely
Speaker 1: it is a better actor than he's given credit for.
Speaker 2: I didn't live through the heart throb era of Cruise
Speaker 2: is the thing.
Speaker 1: Other people have talked about this certainly, But I mean
Speaker 1: if you look at young Cruise in say the Risky
Speaker 1: Business or whatever, in that era, in the whole, in
Speaker 1: the whole b brad Pack era, so leading up the
Speaker 1: top gun, you seeadism as he sort of a young
Speaker 1: man around town and he had kind of not necessarily
Speaker 1: a bad boy image, but he was kind of like
Speaker 1: this kind of looks pretty fucking cool and a little dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah there's a picture. Yeah, there's a picture.
Speaker 1: Of him and Rebecca to Mourney from Ricky in the
Speaker 1: fantastic Black of White photo. And it's like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: there's the hottest thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: And he's next to Rebecca, to Mornay, who's maybe the
Speaker 1: hottest woman you've seen in your life. Say, this is
Speaker 1: like primo eighties big screen sex appeal. I don't think
Speaker 1: he pushes himself enough now, and hopefully he's going to
Speaker 1: start doing that. When we did our episode the Movie
Speaker 1: Guide with Marltin Davis talking about what we're looking forward
Speaker 1: to this year, one of the things that I talked
Speaker 1: about was this movie called Digger. It's directed by aleandrou
Speaker 1: the director of Birdman and The Revenant, and it's got
Speaker 1: CRUs in the lead and supposedly sort of like actual acting.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not I'm jumping off buildings or I'm
Speaker 1: diving to the bottom of the ocean or something. He's
Speaker 1: playing a real character in.
Speaker 2: A real movie.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't miss disrespect some of the other
Speaker 1: stuff he's done, because even in like Top Gun, Maverick
Speaker 1: or you know, he's doing real acting in that that's
Speaker 1: scene with Kilmer at the end of in the middle
Speaker 1: of Top Gun, Maverick is like, should these guys are
Speaker 1: working really well together?
Speaker 2: So is he?
Speaker 1: Daniel day lewis No, but now I would put him
Speaker 1: on like par would say, DiCaprio.
Speaker 2: Do you think he would be able to handle criticism.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the other thing. I think he's worked so
Speaker 1: hard to be taken seriously in so many ways.
Speaker 2: Why can't it Why would he not be taken seriously?
Speaker 2: Why does he have to work seriously? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think if you had someone who said to them,
Speaker 1: it's like they're not meaning like, oh, Tom Cruise, you suck.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, you're pretty good, you're bad as good
Speaker 1: as this that was like.
Speaker 2: Putting him down. He it's like, you're good, You're okay.
Speaker 1: And also look stands what an eight year old kid
Speaker 1: is like, Yeah, I like the guy from Napoleon Dynamite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also not a bad actor. John Heat, John Heater. Yes.
Speaker 2: But then of course this is where Cruz jumps into
Speaker 2: the closet and he won't come out, Just to be
Speaker 2: bluntly obvious, Dad, Tom Cruise won't come out of the closet.
Speaker 2: And that's again I do think they went a little
Speaker 2: too hard with it, Like we got the idea is
Speaker 2: that a cape for your thing? Where it's like in
Speaker 2: two thousand and five it would have been it would
Speaker 2: probably would have slay, right, would have been hilarious, wouldn't
Speaker 2: it initially?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's a cape thing where it's
Speaker 1: like ray ray, Ray, Ray, stop being funny, Ray, Greg,
Speaker 1: you're funny again.
Speaker 2: Because they picked the right time to do it too,
Speaker 2: because as you were saying, this was the couch here,
Speaker 2: it wasn't on the couch and it was almost like
Speaker 2: he was, he said, taking his first real proper hits
Speaker 2: and it was not a punching bag. But it's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: we can diss on this guy. Oh yeah, It's like
Speaker 2: that line in The Godfather was like ten years ago
Speaker 2: and never would have been able to get to him
Speaker 2: like you can. There's a lot of it. Jealousy too,
Speaker 2: is it because he just had everything? It happens with everybody.
Speaker 2: It happens with every step with Pratt I remember recently. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone's like we're sick of Pratt. I mean, I was wondering.
Speaker 2: I was like, nothing against the guy, but does he
Speaker 2: have to be in fucking everything Pedro Pascal, sure and everything.
Speaker 2: Jennifer Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens to Everyone's like we've give us a
Speaker 1: chance to either take you down a peg and not
Speaker 1: love you, and then we'll love you. Again like Hudson
Speaker 1: went away, came back and song some blur and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I love you again. I love She was fantastic in
Speaker 1: that movie. I told you, man, she's really good like she.
Speaker 2: Who could she lose to because she could easily win
Speaker 2: Best Actress for that role.
Speaker 1: As Leonard on Our showed that said the other day,
Speaker 1: the front runner is this Irish actress named Jesse Buckley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in a movie called Hamnet. She's apparently very very good
Speaker 1: in it. I like Jesse Buckley a lot.
Speaker 2: Straight is own.
Speaker 1: Rose Burn is apparently like the second front runner front
Speaker 1: runner up. I'm not sure, but for a movie called
Speaker 1: If I Had Legs, I'd Kick You, which apparently he's
Speaker 1: really good. We might have underrated rose Burn for very
Speaker 1: I know I did for a while, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's like, holy shit, you're a really
Speaker 1: good at comedy. Wait a minute, you're a really good
Speaker 1: at drama too, what the hell?
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Speaker 2: slash four figure discout. So as we'll say, though, So
Speaker 2: Cruise is now in the closet and they've got the
Speaker 2: news report at the front. He's been there for four
Speaker 2: hours and whatnot. He won't come out the Please try
Speaker 2: and talk him out, but he won't come out. I did.
Speaker 2: We haven't got to it yet, but I did love
Speaker 2: the interaction with Nicole Kipmen, which we'll get to, yes,
Speaker 2: But first of all, they call in R. Kelly who
Speaker 2: sings a parody of his song so tratting the class
Speaker 2: as a song, and I didn't get that. I'm like, why,
Speaker 2: I couldn't wait on? Why is R Kelly here? I
Speaker 2: am so lost.
Speaker 1: Also, are we aware of the whole Kelly machagots at
Speaker 1: this time? I mean, was it common knowledge that I
Speaker 1: think people knew that he was you know, maybe bring
Speaker 1: a little bathroom play into the bedroom.
Speaker 2: It's one of those business if you're in the business,
Speaker 2: you know, but it wasn't publicly and yeah, maybe wood
Speaker 2: was getting out. It's kind of like yeah, yeah, not
Speaker 2: good at all. And then it's like, oh no, he's
Speaker 2: he's a monster. So then the president please can we
Speaker 2: please have him be a new leader. But this is
Speaker 2: where he says to stand stand, do you want to
Speaker 2: hear the great doctrine of the life behind scientology? Sure? Okay,
Speaker 2: but they make Randy and Sharon leave and they explained
Speaker 2: it all. It's seventy five million years ago. Basically, there
Speaker 2: was a federation governed galactic federation governed by Lord Xenu. Xenu.
Speaker 2: He thought they were like overpopulated, so he froze the aliens,
Speaker 2: sent them to Earth to be thrown into throw them
Speaker 2: into the volcanoes. Then when they thought out their souls,
Speaker 2: tried to escape, but he had sole catching machines, which
Speaker 2: he they caught them and then made them watch brainwashing programs.
Speaker 2: It's too bad, and then set them out to sent
Speaker 2: them out to the world, and they went to people,
Speaker 2: and that's why people are depressed.
Speaker 1: It's too bad that the camera is actually the batteries
Speaker 1: ran out just as Daniel was explaining this, because you
Speaker 1: couldn't see the look in his eyes as he was
Speaker 1: trying to explain this. It was increasingly desperately, and then
Speaker 1: volcanoes and then their spirits went.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, oh God, it's just yes. Anyway, if
Speaker 2: you want to believe it, believe it. But yeah, man,
Speaker 2: it causes the fear, confusion, the problems that we lived
Speaker 2: to this day, and they are Stan. Can you pick
Speaker 2: up where al Ron Hubbard lived? I took left from.
Speaker 2: So then Hubbard said that he you know, he said,
Speaker 2: he closed his eyes and he'd write down whatever came
Speaker 2: to his mind. So meanwhile, though, they sending Nicole Kidman
Speaker 2: to talk to Cruz. I love this there, Nicole.
Speaker 4: Tom, It's Nicole, Nicole Tom. Don't you think this has
Speaker 4: gone on long enough? It's time for you to come
Speaker 4: out of the closet.
Speaker 2: I'm not in the closet.
Speaker 4: Yes you are, Tom, and you need to just end
Speaker 4: this and come out. I'm not going to think any
Speaker 4: differently of you. Kate is not going to think any
Speaker 4: differently of you. You don't need to be in that
Speaker 4: closet anymore.
Speaker 2: Tom, I'm not in here at all.
Speaker 4: Yes you are, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not in a closet. Then Stan starts writing his
Speaker 2: stories down. The boys are going to the movies. They
Speaker 2: invite him, but he says he's not going to be
Speaker 2: coming case he's writing his stories down. They say they
Speaker 2: wuld be concerned about him because of this cult that
Speaker 2: is joining, and he immediately gets defensive, which is what
Speaker 2: many religious people do, exactly what someone on a cult
Speaker 2: would say. It's not even religious anything that you believe in.
Speaker 2: It's like, you realize this is not really what you
Speaker 2: think it is. It's like, no, no, it is. You
Speaker 2: get real defensive about it. Kyle explains to him, you
Speaker 2: realize that Hubbard was just a guy lives on a
Speaker 2: boat with young boys, and he was busted by the
Speaker 2: FEDS as a result. Stand says, no, you don't know
Speaker 2: the secret truth that you know. You can only know
Speaker 2: by being part of the part of the faith of
Speaker 2: several years. And he was depressed. But now we have
Speaker 2: found meaning, so they all leave. The boys leave for
Speaker 2: Cartman says, don't worry, I still hate Kyle more than
Speaker 2: you do. We come back from commercial Natural Volta, just
Speaker 2: trying to talk Cruise out of the closet, but unfortunately
Speaker 2: he goes in and and he does not want to
Speaker 2: come out because he isn't here see goat then the
Speaker 2: news now saying now John de Volter was also in
Speaker 2: the closet. Kelley sings he song again, then threatens to
Speaker 2: kill a woman unless they come out. The president of
Speaker 2: Scientology is a fan of Stand's new writing. However, he
Speaker 2: has these new rules, and one of the new rules
Speaker 2: is that we will no longer be charging people to
Speaker 2: join the church, and he can't take this. He can't
Speaker 2: sanction such affoonery because as stances to really be a church,
Speaker 2: we can't charge people for their help for our helm
Speaker 2: and explains that this whole thing is just a global
Speaker 2: scam and then says, if you do this with me,
Speaker 2: we can both make three million dollars. As a resultant
Speaker 2: Stand gets sucked. Anyone I get you now then it's
Speaker 2: for a news report, and they explain that they still
Speaker 2: won't come out of the closet. So they send in
Speaker 2: Kelly to get them out. They start singing back to
Speaker 2: him that we're not going to come out of yes,
Speaker 2: and then he pulls out his gun. They open the
Speaker 2: door and he goes in and he likes it too.
Speaker 2: Reassume yeah Yes. Then then as it introduces Stan to
Speaker 2: promote his new doctrine before they release it for a
Speaker 2: small norminal fee to the casual scientologists out there. But
Speaker 2: Stan can't go through. He can't go through with it.
Speaker 2: You know, he's got the gear on, he's dressed up,
Speaker 2: and he says, we all want to know where we
Speaker 2: come from. We all want you know, the reason as
Speaker 2: to why we're here, and sometimes we want it so
Speaker 2: bad that we'll believe absolutely anything in order to feel
Speaker 2: like we've got some sort of answer. And he says,
Speaker 2: there's all just a big scam, and they all just
Speaker 2: threaten to sue him. We're going to see your house
Speaker 2: and your balls and your balls. Then there's a new
Speaker 2: report saying that a cruise and chavals have come out
Speaker 2: of the closet. Finally, now we see I Kelly come out.
Speaker 2: It looks like he's a bit hurt or he's like
Speaker 2: holding his stone, like he said, like hunched over, like
Speaker 2: did they really have sex with him? Is that what
Speaker 2: they're implying now it's not really focused on, but he
Speaker 2: has like a real.
Speaker 1: Maybe they've taken shots at R Kelly.
Speaker 2: Possibly who knows. Yeah, but Cruising threatens to sue stand
Speaker 2: as well. And again this ending just seems like Parker
Speaker 2: and Stone saying scientologists being a big if you yes, indeed,
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 1: Watch the credits and everything is credited to Jane or
Speaker 1: John Smith John Smith exactly.
Speaker 2: Yes. So overall, yeah, as I said, very culturally significant
Speaker 2: this episode. I wouldn't call it the funniest. I enjoyed
Speaker 2: it because again I lived through two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: I know what they were implying, what they're talking about here,
Speaker 2: But I don't think this really holds up in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six as much as I thought it would.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's a bit of a time capsule more
Speaker 1: than anything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again that's fine. That does means a bad
Speaker 2: episode because I think the best episodes of South Park.
Speaker 2: So when you watch South Park, what do you want?
Speaker 2: Do you want ones that are willing to that are
Speaker 2: that time capture where that you can't believe they did
Speaker 2: what they did at that time really push the boundaries
Speaker 2: or do you want pure long standing comedy.
Speaker 1: I think I want more sort of solid character driven comedy,
Speaker 1: more evergreen stuff. Yeah, I mean I think why when
Speaker 1: they tackle topics like this and they tend to do
Speaker 1: it pretty fearlessly, which I appreciate.
Speaker 2: Ah, but yeah, this is.
Speaker 1: An episode that I would certainly that I would really
Speaker 1: go back to. I mean over say something like say
Speaker 1: Erection Day for instance. I mean it's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is just there's the gift that keeps on giving, whereas like,
Speaker 1: this is fun.
Speaker 2: It's good to revisit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we felt that way about Silent only Oh
Speaker 1: Tom might come out of the closet, right, But.
Speaker 2: I don't really feel like scientology isn't seen as negatively anymore.
Speaker 2: It's just seen as almost like a punchline now, isn't
Speaker 2: It's like oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like I want to phrase this carefully.
Speaker 1: I mean, like anyone who sort of gets into scientology
Speaker 1: and is like, oh.
Speaker 2: No, this is what it was like.
Speaker 1: How did you not know we've been talking about this
Speaker 1: for twenty years. Yeah, you got into the van that
Speaker 1: says free hugs on it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm finding that to have sympathy for you. It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how delicious the candy looks. Don't get in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that has been our review. I've Trapped in the Closet.
Speaker 2: The next episode of Going down to south Park. The
Speaker 2: next episode we're reviewing shall be Free Willie's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no idea how you say, and I'm
Speaker 1: not looking forward to that episode purely for that.
Speaker 2: And we're gonna doing a mail bag in the future
Speaker 2: as well, so make sure you send through your question
Speaker 2: Southparkmailbag at gmail dot com. We'll get through all those
Speaker 2: questions in the next episode of the south Park mail Bag.
Speaker 2: But this has been a review of Trapped in the Closet,
Speaker 2: mister Davis, and you find the words for those incredible
Speaker 2: listeners out there.