WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:03.120 I've been asked to come up here, get you both 2 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:04.080 out at the closet. 3 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:06.320 Man, this is some crazy shit. 4 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:08.800 Why won't you both just come out of closet? 5 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.519 And he said, we're not coming out the closet. 6 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:16.519 You can just go away, but everyone wants you out 7 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:17.039 the closet. 8 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:19.559 That doesn't matter because we're gonna stay. 9 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:22.760 Now. I'm starting to get angry, so I pull out 10 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:31.280 my gun kick. Welcome to going down to South, part 11 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:33.560 of the podcast where we always have ourselves of time, 12 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:35.759 and also the show where we can never come out 13 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:37.079 of the closet. I'm Downdo and. 14 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:38.560 I'm going I thought you're gonna say, this is the 15 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:40.079 podcast where we. 16 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.479 Was pulling a gun kap a bitch. 17 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.039 I'm always stepping on favorite moment here. But we'll get 18 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:48.520 to that when we get to that. But yes, a 19 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:51.000 lot to discuss when it comes to Trapped in the Closet, 20 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:53.280 A lot going on on screen, a lot going on 21 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:57.520 behind the scenes. Yeah, it was almost too much, you know. 22 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:00.320 I sort of opened wiki pages and various other things 23 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:05.239 concerning what surrounded Trapped in the Closet, and I was like, that's. 24 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:07.719 Too much to it. Stuff. Well, first of all, I 25 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.760 think it's one of the probably the most controversial episode 26 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:13.079 of South Part besides the Muhammed ones. I think they're 27 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:16.280 the ones that will always be the peak, right, but 28 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:18.560 this one here you look at what it was controversial 29 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:21.840 for and looking at it through a twenty twenty six lens, 30 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:25.079 I'm watching this going, this all just seems ludicrous, ridiculous. 31 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:28.120 You know, the idea of a TV network being held ransom. 32 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:30.920 You cannot broadcast this show and people going, but I 33 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:32.560 really want to watch it, just in the world where 34 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:35.519 it feels like everything is accessible, you can find it somewhere. 35 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:37.280 Twitter's probably the home for that kind of stuff. So 36 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:39.439 if there's footage that's sort of banned or what, have 37 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:41.640 just gone on Twitter and type it in and you'll 38 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:42.719 find it right. 39 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:44.519 Or Twitter would just show it to you whether you 40 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:45.439 want to see it or not. 41 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:47.719 Yeah, exactly, but you watch it and it's going you. 42 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:50.840 Cruise has denied it, but it's a Cruise is saying that, 43 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:53.159 you know, he won't do the mission impossible three press 44 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:56.599 tour unless you don't add this again. And Hayes left 45 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:59.200 the show apparently because they were taking down saying scientology 46 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:01.760 and as all that's been bunked and I was just reading, going, 47 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:06.000 I'm sure in the moment this seemed like such big news, 48 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:07.840 but you watched it, as I said, through twenty twenty 49 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:10.599 six eyes and you're going, man, we've changed a lot 50 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:14.199 when it realized to media and access to things and 51 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:16.680 just what is deemed controversial now. 52 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:18.560 Well, what I was thinking about is that you've got 53 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:22.039 the two sort of heavy hitters of celebrity, heavy hitters 54 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:23.280 of scientology at this day. 55 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.680 At the time. Yeah, yeah, Travolta and Cruise. But that's 56 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:27.319 what I one to I want to before you go. 57 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:29.919 One is that I was old enough to remember it 58 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:33.439 being controversial, but not really aware of what the whole 59 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:36.080 controversially stemmed from it. And you were obviously someone who's 60 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:38.439 reviewing TV movies. Can you tap me back? What was 61 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:43.599 it like when this came out? Was it a huge deal? Somewhat? 62 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:46.360 But then it also felt a bit ginned up as well. 63 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:50.039 I mean I think anyone with you know, half a 64 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.479 lick of common sense would kind of go, well, scientology 65 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:55.400 is kind of a scam, right, I mean, it had 66 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:58.560 been around forever, well not forever, but it's certainly been 67 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:03.199 around long enough that you either were like oh, yeah, 68 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:06.960 this is that weird fringe pseudo religion or oh this 69 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:10.159 is that cult slash scam that managed to you know, 70 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:12.599 draw in a few big names and sort of use 71 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:14.960 them as magnets to get to you know, the rest 72 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:16.759 of the the rest of the plebs in. 73 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:20.080 Were Cruise and Travoltry the first big names or was 74 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:22.039 it just they were the big names of that time. 75 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:25.000 As far as I can tell. Yeah, I mean, I 76 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:29.000 think when you thought about Scientology, apart from yeah, Tom 77 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:31.400 Cruise and John Travoldi, you generally thought, oh, yeah, oh 78 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:32.080 there's a couple. 79 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:35.560 Of So John de Volta was widely recognized as one 80 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:38.360 of the first major celebrities to openly join Scientology, becoming 81 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:41.159 a member in nineteen seventy five. Yeah, I think it 82 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:43.039 was part of from the get go, oh so he's 83 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:46.080 always been okay, they are they scientologists is what they called. 84 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:47.840 That's what they called. Okay, Yeah, so he's always been 85 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:48.439 a scientologist. 86 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:50.120 And then yeah, yeah, I mean and there was always 87 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:52.240 sort of reports like, oh, you know, he couldn't be 88 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:56.280 in that movie because the scientologists didn't want him to 89 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:56.840 be part of it. 90 00:03:57.159 --> 00:04:01.360 You know, Christopher Reeve wasn't earlier done. I think you've 91 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:03.120 had people who were before. Yeah. 92 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:06.800 Yeah, sort of took off, but you've got real diehards, 93 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:09.159 like like the Vaulter and especially Cruise. 94 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:11.639 The Cruise was in essence of the late eighties. Yeah. Oh, 95 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:13.840 I remember reading I thought it was just they joined 96 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.000 at that time. I'd been in it for decades. 97 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:16.360 Yeah. 98 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:17.560 I remember reading some article. 99 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:19.839 I think it was about the making of the movie 100 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:23.480 Far and Away, the moment Nicole Kidman there was, you know, 101 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:25.480 I think about the making of it, and apparently Cruise 102 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:27.959 was on the set and sort of talking about, Hey, 103 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.120 scientology is really good, and he was sort of I 104 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:32.120 don't think he was putting up like a stall and saying, 105 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:33.839 come to me to learn a bit more about scientology. 106 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:35.360 There'll be two hundred and forty dollars. 107 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.560 But is that the actual amount? But it's funny. 108 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:42.560 It's fun say, but I distinctly remember a line in 109 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.360 it from Ron Howd, who directed Far and Away. 110 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:47.279 Yeah, it was a bad call it Home and Away, 111 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.279 saying what I'm thinking of as well, flyway home. That 112 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:51.480 was the. 113 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:57.240 We're row who seemed like a very sort of level 114 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:01.839 headed individuals. Look, scientology is up for me. But if 115 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.319 it does for people what it does for Tom Cruise, 116 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:06.920 maybe he's got something going for it, because there's one 117 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:08.920 Cruise was like at his apex and yeah, he's like 118 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:11.519 he's he's a genuinely sort of hard worker and all 119 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:14.680 that kind of stuff. So whatever this guy does, he 120 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.680 does pretty well. And I get the feeling of scientology 121 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:18.920 is kind of the driver of that. So maybe, but 122 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:21.439 at this at this stage when Trapped in the Closet 123 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:24.759 is released, these two heavy hitters, Travolta and Cruise. First 124 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.680 of all, they're taking hits and it's related to scientology. 125 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.519 It feels like because Trevalda has made Battlefield Earth, like 126 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:33.600 a few years earlier, and Travalda had that great comeback 127 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:35.759 with Pop Fiction. It was like, we've missed you so much, 128 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:38.199 we love you, and now you're broken out and get 129 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:40.560 Shorty and Phenomenon, which is kind of. 130 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:47.040 A complete and Michael and Michael General Staughter is a 131 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:51.000 good movie. He was doing pretty well face off and 132 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:52.160 face Off, of course. 133 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:54.480 But then he made Battlefield Earth, which is like, it's 134 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:57.399 my passion project. It's time to bring l Ron Hubbard's 135 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.000 science ficient epic to the masses. 136 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.360 And they'll love it. Wait, so, how generally was a 137 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:05.279 sci fi writer? Oh yeah, he generally was. So he 138 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:07.199 wrote Battleground Earth. He wrote Battlefield Earth. 139 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:11.160 I'm going to make it into a big science for 140 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:15.399 you and everyone. This is fucking ridiculous. This is awful, John, 141 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:17.959 what are you doing? And you know, Traval isn't given 142 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:21.120 this really sort of scenery showing a hand up performance 143 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:25.480 and it kind of oh my goad, well against favorite moments, 144 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.759 but that kind of really put the brakes on this 145 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:32.480 comeback that he was enjoying. I mean, he's still he's 146 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:34.759 still working consistently, but he's nowhere any of the start 147 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:37.680 that he was postwar fiction. Then also around this time, 148 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:39.839 Cruz is one of the biggest stars in the world, 149 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:45.839 but he's decided to step away from his longtime PR 150 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:48.000 person and sort of I think he either handled the 151 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:50.720 reins over to his sister or he also started handling 152 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:53.759 a lot of his own PR couch. This is jumping 153 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:55.279 on the couch and all this kind of stuff and 154 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.160 being a lot more open about the fact that I'm 155 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:01.959 into scientology. Here's what it can do for people. What 156 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.279 diage of him sort of talking at conventions all this 157 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:08.839 stuff as getting out and it's maybe one of the 158 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:13.439 first times in twenty something years of a really successful 159 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:15.800 big screen career as a movie star that cruise has 160 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:17.920 taken a hit that he's you know, the hits, there 161 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:21.800 are chinks in the armor. So yeah, I mean it's 162 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:24.600 sort of it's prime time for someone like Parker and 163 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:27.920 Stone to strike and really take a shot at scientology 164 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:30.600 and particularly through the frame of showbiz. Oh yeah, I 165 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.319 mean it's pretty interesting in that regard. 166 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:36.959 But it was also one of those things where because 167 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:38.399 at the end they pulled the hole, will sue me 168 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:40.199 sueing and it felt like that was Parker on the 169 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:45.120 Stone living vicaracy three stance, right, So at this time, 170 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:47.000 was it a case of you couldn't bad math scient 171 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:48.600 told you because they would suit you for it. 172 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:51.360 I think they just had a really big war chest. 173 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:53.120 I mean they had a lot of money and you know, 174 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.720 and I think they were pretty leggitious. They would go 175 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:58.319 after you if you went after them. 176 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:01.079 But so, you know, it's a lot like it's the 177 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.519 Trump like, so you know how they attached Trump, right, 178 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:05.399 And it was a big deal because I can't believe 179 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:07.959 they went there. Was it a big deal that someone 180 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:10.040 on the level of Parker and Stone was openly just 181 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:13.199 criticizing and making fun of scientology and getting away with 182 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:13.759 it essentially. 183 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.720 Yeah, I think making fun of it absolutely. I think 184 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:19.160 this was around the time I forgot the name of 185 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:21.360 the generalist. I want to say, Mark Ebner. I think 186 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:23.240 he might have written a book or going clear. 187 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:27.360 I'm sorry. There's so much stuff about scientology around that year. 188 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:29.399 And this isn't going to be a Scientology lesson or anything, 189 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:30.800 no epis. 190 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:33.559 It's more I think, but certainly in the early two 191 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:36.759 thousands is when people were like, we're not too sure 192 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:40.120 about this scientology thing. And you've got people who were 193 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.600 disenchanted with the quote unquote church coming forward. You've got 194 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:46.360 people who've got family members in there saying I haven't 195 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.320 spoken to my son or daughter in ten years because 196 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:54.279 of their relationship to scientology. The church won't let them. 197 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:56.960 And also, you know, just a general ear of air 198 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:59.559 or weirdness. I mean, as I said, it'd been around forever. 199 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:02.960 It's I would say it's necessarily a California thing, but 200 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:05.480 maybe kind of a West Coast thing that there are 201 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.279 these fringe movements that sort of pop up about self 202 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:12.240 improvement or self actualization or whatever, and scientology felt like 203 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:15.519 very much that kind of thing. So yeah, in this time, Yeah, 204 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:18.399 I think it was a case that's like we can 205 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.519 maybe take a few shots of these people and maybe 206 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:21.200 they deserve it. 207 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:24.279 I'm watching this, right, and I'm unbiased. I couldn't care. 208 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.399 If you want to follow scientology, if it makes you 209 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:28.399 a better person, and you're pushing it on me, go 210 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:30.639 for it, right, b think of what. I think it's 211 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:32.399 far fetched a story, but if you want to believe it, 212 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:35.080 that's that's your choice. Right. The thing is, I knew 213 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.200 nothing about scientology even going into this one. I've done 214 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:39.600 no research. I haven't really I just I'm not interested 215 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.080 in scientology. Right. So I'm watching this and they're telling 216 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:47.559 the story of the Lord Xenu Xenu, right, yeah, and 217 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.080 they're going on and on on and you're watching this 218 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:52.320 and I'm sort of like half not half asleep. I'm 219 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.120 sort of you know, it's late last night, and I'm 220 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:57.039 watching on this is just parking Stone being ridiculous. And 221 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:59.159 also the subtitle and I said, this is what they 222 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:02.600 actually believe, and I went, oh, oh, so I wonder 223 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:04.000 if I can imagine it would have been a lot 224 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:05.960 of people who watched this episode for the first time. 225 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:08.159 He might have been in my boat and actually had 226 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:11.200 heard of scientology, were not known about scientology, And you 227 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.120 just have to think that this episode must have been 228 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:17.039 such a hit to the I don't know what's the 229 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:20.759 term for the credibility of scientology, because you watch this 230 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.559 going that's what it is, that's your dogma. 231 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:27.879 Okay, yeah, Well they did the same thing with Mormonism, right, yeah, 232 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:31.519 sort of talking about the whole weird setup with Joseph 233 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.000 Smith and the golden plates, and like, all right, I wrote, 234 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:35.840 I wrote it all down. 235 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:38.600 Ah, I can't all that. 236 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:43.720 Sort of stuff that stretches credibility. But then at the 237 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:47.559 same time, you look at the foundations of any major religion, 238 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:50.159 and if I was, if I was to sort of 239 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:51.720 break it down for you, if you'd never heard the 240 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:54.639 story of God and Jesus and all that kind of 241 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.840 and the resurrection of the crucifixes, all that kind of stuff, 242 00:10:57.039 --> 00:10:58.919 and I told that you was like, heck of a 243 00:10:58.960 --> 00:10:59.399 story there. 244 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:03.399 You want to be in pictures. But I think a 245 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:05.200 lot of it is you have to clutch at straws 246 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.399 in some regard. You have to suspend it if you 247 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:09.320 want to believe, you've got to suspend somewhat of it 248 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:12.000 to actually believe the full story. It's faith, right, That's 249 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.799 what faith is. Yeah. Yeah, so you want to overlook 250 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:16.679 it's like it doesn't make sense, but I don't care 251 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:18.519 because the end game is what I want to get to. 252 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:19.120 That's true. 253 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:22.799 Yeah, And I know if you ask me, any good 254 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.759 religion boils down to a handful of tenets that you 255 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:28.159 live by. We've spoken about this before in terms of 256 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.519 like do unto others as you would be done unto 257 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:32.879 live and let live that. 258 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:34.960 Kind of stuff. You were mentioned before too, that they've 259 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.519 taken down Mormonism and what Scientology is not the first 260 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:39.360 religion I've taken. They've taken it basically every religion but 261 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:40.919 portots at everybody. 262 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:44.000 And that's and that leads to the whole clash that 263 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.960 I think they had if they did have one with 264 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:51.000 Isaac Hayes, who was a member of the Church of Scientology. 265 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.399 Because it's one of those things where Chef just feels 266 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.000 like such a staple of the show and the show 267 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:56.559 that was different when Chef was sort of no longer 268 00:11:56.639 --> 00:11:58.639 on the show as often. I think we're up to 269 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:00.399 nearly the end of season nine now, and I felt 270 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:02.600 like Chef's been a bit of a side character for 271 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:04.879 a good season or two by this point. So it's 272 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:07.559 not like they because they wouldn't have had this episode 273 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:10.559 planned for seasons seasons ago. So Isaac has obviously already 274 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:13.279 taken a backward step from being on the show full time. 275 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.639 But the story is that he was so annoyed that 276 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.720 they took on Scientology, he asked them not to do it. 277 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:20.919 They did it anyway, that he quit the show. That's 278 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:23.360 what the story was in the beginning, and it feels 279 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:26.919 like Parkeringstone must have believed it at the time, because 280 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:29.840 there was it became a little bitter, and I've read 281 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:31.960 online it was saying stuff like they were saying, Oh, 282 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:33.639 it's all right for him to not care about when 283 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:35.480 we took down this Christianity and all this stuff, but 284 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:39.559 now scientology, now he cares. Sure. Isaac his son has 285 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:42.360 come out since and said that Isaac didn't actually put 286 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:44.240 out the letter or the statement saying that he's going 287 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:46.360 to quit as a result. It was like his assistance 288 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.279 or something who were also scientologists. 289 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:51.440 Well, you do hear that a lot about celebrities who 290 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:54.600 associated with scientology, they have these handlers or they have 291 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.399 tears yeah, or elders of the church or you know, 292 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:02.279 sort of high ranking members of the church who will say, yeah, 293 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.120 don't take this role or don't be associated with this 294 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:08.159 kind of material or whatever, because you know it'll put 295 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:09.720 it'll hold you in a bad light, and therefore the 296 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.600 church in a bad light. Look, I wouldn't put I 297 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:16.679 wouldn't put it past Yeah, anyone to be in that 298 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:17.960 kind of situation. 299 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:20.879 I'd love to obviously would have been asked a million times, 300 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.120 probably already, but you know, to get Parker and Stone 301 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:24.799 in a room and just go, because I'm sure they 302 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:26.559 haven't got many regrets. You can't live with regrets when 303 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:28.759 you when you're that kind of you, when you have 304 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:30.720 that kind of bravado, you can't really live with regrets. 305 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:32.320 But I wonder if that's one thing they kind of 306 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:35.320 regret to an extent, the way they sever Tiree with 307 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.480 Isaac Hayes, and that the Chef capter being killed off, 308 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:39.759 and because Chef was such a big part of what 309 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.919 made the show South Park. Certainly absolutely he was the 310 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:44.919 go to guy for the kids and for to end, 311 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.639 so bitterly I thought, it's just it's a bit disappointing 312 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:48.240 as a fan. 313 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.159 Well, yeah, and I mean Chef was always sort of 314 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.200 like a I won't say the heart of the show, 315 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.440 but a voice of reason in a lot of way. 316 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:56.120 Was the voice of reason. He's the one the boys 317 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:58.080 went to when they needed help. Everyone else in the 318 00:13:58.080 --> 00:13:59.879 South Park was insane. It was almost like he was 319 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:02.480 not the Frank Rhymes, but he was just he was 320 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.519 the normal person who had, like he said, the voice 321 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:07.559 of reason. He was able to see things the non 322 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.519 biased perspective and give a sensible, clear eyed moral center 323 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:13.440 of the show. Yeah, and you'd love to get funky, 324 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:17.480 of course, yes, and yeah, just so we never know 325 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:19.600 the truth. His son says, the eyes that didn't quit 326 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:21.960 because of that, it's because of health issues. And I 327 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:24.679 think there's the truth somewhere in there, right somewhere in 328 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:26.879 the middle, because I feel like he must have had 329 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:28.720 some sort of health issues or there must have been 330 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:30.440 something going on, because he hasn't been on the show 331 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:32.279 that off. That's right, And the last time they used 332 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:35.799 him in a main way was when he was basically 333 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:37.679 thrown out to the wolves when they were going through 334 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:40.360 the crowd in the whatever it was. I was trying 335 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:41.279 to get to a rock concept. 336 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.919 It was like, oh, yeah, that's right with the yeah 337 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:47.279 with the hippie jam bands. 338 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:48.559 Yeah, yes, that's right. 339 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:50.440 In the name of the episode. Yeah, yeah, you're not 340 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:51.279 the one we're talking about it. 341 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:53.759 Yes. But also the other thing about this episode, watching 342 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:58.080 it right is now again watching it through twenty twenty 343 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:00.639 six eyes right, I lived through so I found this 344 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.480 episode funny because I lived through them. I was old enough. 345 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:04.919 In two thousand and five Donimee Stent was going on. 346 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:08.240 I lived through that era. The idea of Tom Cruise 347 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:10.039 and John de Volta, are they gay? Are they not? 348 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:12.080 We just come out of the closet. That was such 349 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:13.720 a punchline for this episode, to the point where I 350 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.840 felt they kind of overdid it, overdid it a bit. Right, 351 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:20.360 But I'm watching this going try and explain this to 352 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:22.720 a twenty to someone who was born fifteen years ago, 353 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:24.759 someone who's like fifteen and twenty years old now, and 354 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.200 say yeah, because they're trying, They're trying to say come out, 355 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:28.600 we just come out of the closet. I think the 356 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:30.360 response you would get would be something on the lines 357 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:32.480 of eight who were Tom Cruise and who were John 358 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:35.279 de Voulter because they're huge stars in our eyes. But 359 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:36.960 as we discussed on the movie Guy with Martin and 360 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:39.840 Davis recently, is Tom Cruise a huge star to anyone 361 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:41.039 under the age of twenty or is it just that 362 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.279 guy that does stunts in the Mission Impossible movies? Right, 363 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:46.840 John de Volta, who's John Devolter? Very much? He's that 364 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:49.600 guy that my mum watched in that movie Grease. That's 365 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:51.399 that's who he is, right to a lot of young people. 366 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:53.840 The other question would be the other response that they 367 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:56.240 would give you is who cares that they get kills? Yeah, 368 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:58.720 But at that time in two thousand and five, it 369 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:00.320 was like, will you just come out, look, it's just 370 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:03.440 but and it was like, we're making fun of them 371 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:05.799 for you gay? Aren't you gay? It's just a minute? 372 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:06.080 You gay? 373 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.399 It feels kind of childish, and particularly coming from Parker 374 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:12.039 and Start, who are generally more sort of inclusive and. 375 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:17.679 Embracing, it feels petty and childish. Watching it now did 376 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:18.879 it feel But I'm not sure where it would have 377 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.559 felt petty and childish to the majority in two thousand 378 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:25.759 and five who are watching it. Hmm, it seems petty 379 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:29.360 in hindsight and childish in hindsight. But did it come 380 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:31.200 across that way when you first watched this episode. 381 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:32.759 Yeah, I'm trying to recall how I sort of felt 382 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:34.879 about it. I think my response is probably the same. 383 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:36.799 I was like, you're really sort of you're fluming a 384 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:38.039 dead horse a little bit here. 385 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:39.480 I don't know. 386 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:42.240 I think there had always been rumors about Travolta and 387 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:44.720 to the point where it's like, do we even really care? 388 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.080 Who cares? Yea and Cruise maybe. 389 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.840 A little different. Cruise is such an interesting. 390 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:54.159 Case, different personality is in my opinion, that's correct. 391 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:58.039 Yeah, And all the stardom that he's got and for 392 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:01.720 everything that he sort of gives us on Cruise, Yeah, Cruiz, 393 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:05.079 he's never really sort of come across the one thing 394 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.680 that's I won't say, the one thing that stopped him 395 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:09.599 from me the ultimate leading man because as far as 396 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:11.640 winds and he kind of is the ultimate leading man 397 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.079 of Hollywood movies in the last maybe thirty years. 398 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:18.359 I reckon, I don't not to me, he's not see 399 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:19.680 I didn't live through the I wasn't old enough in 400 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:21.400 the eighties when he was like eighties, early nineties. I 401 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.599