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Speaker 1: Welcome to the one on one podcast with your host

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one on Yala.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode is probably a soft cast.

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I don't know what this is gonna be, but here

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we are. What's up, boys? We got the cult of

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conspiracy boys with us. How you guys doing. It's been

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a little minute since we last got together and had

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a little chat. Awesome man, we uh we.

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Speaker 3: Love talking with you because it's nice to be around

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other conspiracy theorist with that third eye all the way

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open is.

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Speaker 2: What we like to say. But how you been, brother?

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I've been okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So for those tuning in, we did get demonetized off YouTube.

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So if you're listening to this anywhere I don't know where,

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check out the Patreon, Patreon dot com slash though one

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on one podcasts support the show because they are trying

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to so. I was always called the feder. I you

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always get called the fed whenever you have like a

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certain audience. Hey, what a fed get demonetized? I think not.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point.

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Speaker 4: I get called a fed all the time because I'm

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just the resonance sticking the mug when it comes to

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certain topics. I'm down with a lot of conspiracies. There's

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some that I'm I have no problem pointing the finger

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out and being like, Okay, that's kind of bullshit here, dude,

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clearly I'm the fed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's talk about bullshit conspiracies,

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because there are some conspiracies that are retarded and dumb.

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And here's the thing about this, uh uh, the community,

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if you want to call it, that there is a

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lot of reality people in reality tunnels. And my issue

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and Jonathan was asking me like, oh, TikTok. The reason

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I stopped doing green screens. One of the reasons was

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because my green screens were not so much me pushing

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my ideas of like what I think about the subject,

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but it was like a more it would leave it.

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I would present both sides, right. The problem with that is,

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you know, to let people speculate, right, and then they

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start typing on the comments calling you a dumb ass

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or whatever it is that they do. You know, the

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comments as always know best. But my issue with it

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is that I was promoting some conspiracies, right, and I

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believe that there are people who are truly sick who

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listen to our shows to get a confirmation bias and somehow.

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If I'm going to complain about conspiracies being dumb and stupid,

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but I am spreading conspiracy that same time, that makes

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me a hypocrite.

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Speaker 3: And well that's the right way to go right there, though,

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Like you have to present all sides, and that's something

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that we learned along the way too, because you know,

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like it or not, things get turned into cults all

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the time, and just people start thinking that, you know,

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the group that they're involved in, they're absolutely one hundred

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percent correct about every single little thing. And you have

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to present both sides. You have to weigh both sides,

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and maybe even a third side if you you know,

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if you can think of one to add in there.

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But like you know, you can't just go full on,

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oh you don't believe in flat earth, you're a fed.

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It's like maybe you know, it's like the truther or

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community is more than just one thought form. You know,

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it's a it's it's supposed to be open minded. It's

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not supposed to be narrow minded. So if you're a

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flat earther and you're calling everybody who isn't a flat

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earther a fed or something like that, then it seems

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like you've joined a cult, which.

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Speaker 4: Is why I actually refer to the flat earth community

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in more of a cult like way. I'm not saying

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every single person who believes in the flat earth is

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a member of a cult.

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Speaker 3: No, there's defining lines between the two.

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Speaker 4: Right, There's somebody who has found some information and it

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jives with what they believe in, and there's some some

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rabbit holes they've gone down and they have a belief.

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All right, dope, that's one. That's fine, good things. But

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then you have the people to take it on as

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if it's like a new religion. And once you understand it,

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your whole perspective changes and it's like, all right, that

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now we're delving into the cult like side of things,

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because that's it's even being a conspiracy head, all right, Yes, granted,

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once you understand the government is doing everything they can

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to fuck you, yes, your perspective does change a bit.

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It doesn't change you clocking into work Monday morning. It

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doesn't change you parenting your child when they come home

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with an F on a test.

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Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yes, it's flat dude. It's meant to make

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you feel in insignificant in the voidness of space. That's

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also bacon gay and all this other stuff. But yeah,

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you still got to clock in at seven am, sharp, motherfucker.

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You know you gotta you gotta gotta make sure to

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be there on time. Brother, Like, yeah, it's And here's

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the thing, dude, you know in hermeticism, Uh, there's something

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known as as sleepers. Right, the sleepers, which are those

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that haven't achieved or obtained the nooses to be awakened. Right,

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to be a nosis is this enigmatic thing that you

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achieve that you acquire through again research and reading, but

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we don't really know how you get it. You just

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get it and then you transcend. Right, You're supposed to

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leave the sleepers alone because they're supposed to find their

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own way. You're not supposed to push it upon them

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and try and wake them up. They're gonna find their way.

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And it feels like a lot of these ideas and

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it's not just flatters, like there's a ton. The other

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one is the one where all the chicks in Hollywood

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are dudes and all the dudes are chicks.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, there's a lot of trans out there.

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Speaker 2: According to her, then I'm gay because I think Megan

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Fox is hot, right, I'm gay, she's a little weird.

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But the people that are saying that she's like a man,

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I mean, look, you know there's this whole meme going

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on around Jennifer Maniston, right because Barry was allegedly hooking

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up with her behind Big Mike's back, and so could

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it be possible that she is a man? Then you

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start to see the Adams apple, the more broader shoulders,

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a little peach fuzz on the face. Look, I mean,

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some women just start to look a little bit different

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whenever they get older.

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Speaker 3: Everybody does. It's not even just a woman thing. It's

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like not everybody's always going to be one hundred and

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twenty pounds and looking like they're twenty one.

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Speaker 4: You know, we also acknowledge that that's also a fucking

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massive step up.

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Speaker 3: For Barack Obama.

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Speaker 4: You're leaving Big microm for Jennifer Aniston, man or not?

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Speaker 3: Like Yo, that's taking some player moves there, My.

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Speaker 2: Boy, You mean this one has two holes?

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Speaker 4: Whoa no, even if she has a dick, even if

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that's the case, that's still a come up.

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Speaker 2: Hey, dude, if you're into chicks with Dix, hey you're

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you're into what you're into, dude, Like, I have no

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proles with that, but again, you know, you gotta let

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people live their life. But that's another one that's almost

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on par with the whole flat Earth group because it's

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like this hive mind in my and in my opinion,

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they if you're the one that is in my DMS,

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in my reviews, in my email, in my comments and

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all that stuff, NASA is not in my comments and

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in my DMS telling me that it's a globe, it's

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you who's telling me the opposite. So the more you

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tell me it's flat, the less I'm gonna believe because

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you're being pushy as fuck. You ever see those pictures

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of Judah's like all up against Jesus, and Jesus like,

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bro back the fuck up.

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Speaker 3: Man. He gave him a little kiss before he died though,

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right it was like the kiss of death or the

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scorpion kiss or some.

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Speaker 2: People say so, yeah, I think Judas might have been

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a little gay for Jesus.

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Speaker 3: He was also just kind of a piece of shit.

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There's multiple examples of that one in the gospels.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but again that whole thing of like, hey, man,

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give me some room, to breathe and I will look

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into it. And bro, we've looked into it. Your podcast

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literally the cult of conspiracy. You guys talk about this

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all the time. But again, I feel like some people

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are sick and they listen to the show and they go,

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I want my confirmation bias confirmed. And when they when

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you don't confirm their bias, that's when you become a fed.

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Wait a minute. You just agreed with me a couple

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of minutes ago when I was saying what you wanted

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me to say. But as soon as I present a

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more logical perspective or a different perspective, which this is

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what this is all about, looking at things from a

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different perspective, right, why is that then a problem?

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Speaker 3: Look, the thing is is that you know anything that

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you do just because your group deems it correct or

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write or necessary. You're not making your own action, you're

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not making your own move. You are a follower at

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that point, and you haven't been able to look at

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things subjectively without being swayed one way or another. And

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that's the opposite of opening up your third eye. You

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should we always tell everybody, like you know, we have

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our opinions for sure, and most of the time, our

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opinions are are differing. Like me and Jacob, we disagree

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on a lot of stuff, which you know, I think

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is important for the conspiracy realm. That way, you don't

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form that echo chamber and you don't have a bunch

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of people coming to listen just because they agree with

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every word that you say. You're not learning that way.

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You need to have a little bit of you know,

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yin and yang, and you know if that if that

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bothers some people. You know, it's like it's like a

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like political cults, you know, like, oh my my president

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said this, and that's that's what I'm going to follow it.

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Speaker 2: And he said it, so it must be good.

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, we can sit over here and

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praise Trump all day, Like I love what we're seeing

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out of Doge and all the people that are being

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put into place, But to absolutely just blind I only

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followed the guy that just created a fucking AI vaccine thing. No,

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I don't, like, I'm not one hundred percent he's he

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created or he is working with uh the the crypto

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and AI people to create personalized AI vaccines for each individual,

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saying look, Musk, for.

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Speaker 4: Instance, I love what he is uncovering with Doge. Yes,

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one hundred percent. He is still a crazy motherfucker right

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and he is still trying. We cannot take away the

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quantum computers that he is dealing with, we can't sidestep

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the AI that he is trying to get involved with.

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Speaker 3: It's like he's still a chaotic neutral.

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Speaker 4: He is still just he could wake up tomorrow and

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decide he's a super villain and there's nothing stopping him

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from doing that. Like, just because he's doing good shit

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right now doesn't mean he's the greatest guy ever. We've

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said that about Trump a million times. Yeah, he's doing

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great things right now. He's still a piece of shit.

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He's ball businessman from New York City Like that hasn't

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gone anywhere, right.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's just dangerous to blindly follow. You know.

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We got to keep everybody you know in check and

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make sure you keep the receipts and shit like that. Like,

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I mean, dude, I know that some people were like, well,

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he had to create the COVID vaccine or else the

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deep state was going to create something worse. And maybe

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that's the case. Of course, you had Kamala Harris and

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Joe Biden saying I'm not gonna take a Trump vaccine,

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and then soon as they get office, they're pushing vaccine.

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So maybe something was changed. We don't know, you know,

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like there's no way of knowing these kind of things.

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I just don't vaccinate, you know, It's just pretty simple

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for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. How the famous and wise Kanye West said one time,

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he said, I just tell the truth, and telling the

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truth is crazy in a world full of lies, right

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because nowadays this is news to me, that whole AI vaccine.

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So I'm trying to look it up here and I'm

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not having my AI powered cancer vaccines.

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Speaker 3: Bro. What Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Also, when you're talking about Jesus himself, we gotta

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keep in mind this is the same guy that after

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Katrina said George Bush doesn't care about black people. Right now,

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he is selling swastika T shirts. That that's Kanye selling

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these things and.

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Speaker 3: Allows his woman to go out. I'm not gonna be

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a bigot and say that he allows his woman to

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draw it. He's like going out in public with his

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nude woman.

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Speaker 2: Some dude.

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Speaker 3: Scenary spinning image show of Kim Kardashian after he just

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dropped a gospel album three years ago.

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Speaker 2: Okay, see the the stuff of her looking like Kardashian,

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that's weird. And also it doesn't matter though, because all

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the Kardashians are men anyways. But also the.

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Speaker 4: Seen the video of ray J at one point in time,

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Kim K had of a jage.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, bro, the testes are on the inside.

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Whatever the the some I was gonna say, some some

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dudes like being cooked, Like some dudes want other dudes

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to look at their chick and like they get off

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on that, right, So maybe he likes that. It's it's

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the world of Hollywood, bro, you don't think they're swinging

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into they're doing all this other stuff. So hey that

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she's naked and showing her body to the whole world,

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that ain't nothing to him, bro.

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Speaker 3: Hollywood wrror, There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 4: Look at what cash Pttel is doing right now. Just

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got confirmed today and he said that on day one

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he was going to be releasing the entire Diddy list

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and the entire Epstein list. Now we're still on that

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twenty four hour clock to see if that's gonna come

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through to fruition or not. But he is on record

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saying that that was going to go down the second

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he gets in the office, so we shall.

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Speaker 3: See which is a confirmation from Q from.

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Speaker 2: Old here we go, Oh dude, c.

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Speaker 3: Oh, look t me saying they were right about some shit,

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you know, And so you know what.

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Speaker 2: I think Q is, bro, let's go there is the

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weirdest thing I've ever seen, right because they first of all,

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I have no idea what they're talking about. But usually

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when they go, you see, Q had already referenced this,

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and they referenced some message from like three years ago

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on like some forum that kind of sort of resembles

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what they're trying to confirm. You see, you see he

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had it right here, and it's like, bro, I get it.

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Speaker 3: Some of them are definitely stretches. But the Cash Ptel

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one is is especially strange because what people will do

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because they look at the Q andon drops as like

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little breadcrumbs you know, down like prophecy essentially, or you know,

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somebody's a psychic or somebody has a looking glass. I

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don't know what the fuck is going on.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was.

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Speaker 3: Traveler, could have just been a plan all along, who knows.

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But in regards to Cash Pattel, dude, the day that

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he gets like put into that position was the same

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eight that they made the Q post of telling people

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about cash Betel. So it was like, I don't know, well,

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I don't even know what today's date is or yesterday

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or whatever twenty first, but yeah, okay, so the twenty first.

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I think that that actual drop was on February twenty

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first of like twenty seventeen, eighteen or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Listen, man, listen, listen. If the big you know, the big,

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the big conspiracy, that there's this cabal ruling everything and

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that there's all these people in power and they like

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to fuck kids and they like to do all this

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stuff behind closing, right, like all these guys run running

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the world, running reality itself, but yet a group of

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skitzos are able to piece it together from some forum

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posts about bro. I could be cue. You know what,

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I've thought about doing.

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Speaker 3: Some twenty to keep that up.

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Speaker 4: Man, you got demonetized off of YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Listen, listen, bro listen. I've thought sometimes about just making

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shit up and just posting it on the internet just

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to see where it goes, just to see some crazy

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story like anyone, like anyone can make up a story

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about an alien abduction. Let's be real, like anyone can

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make that up. Steven Greer is just Steve Greer whatever

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his name is. That dude's probably alien. He he's just

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famous for talking about it. Bob Lazaar, like the blood cell.

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The blood cell stuff is kind of weird too, like

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that whole thing. And it's like sometimes, Bro, I think

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that a lot of this stuff that we consume, it's cool, right,

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it's cool, it's it's it's fun to think about, but

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it might be bullshit, you know what I'm saying, Like

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this Cash Betell guy, that's a dead man walking if

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he's gonna any perfect example. So I've been I've had

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this developing new theory that within the occult right, and

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everyone knows that Crowley was an agent. We know that

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John d was the original Double seven. If we stick

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to that sort of thinking, the most powerful information that

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you could have on anybody is blackmail. They don't care

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if you can summon Cthulhu himself. I can tell I

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can be like yo, I can summon Cthulhu and I

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can do it. They're not gonna care. But as soon

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as you say that, hey, I have the Diddy List

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and the Epstein list, Oh, they're gonna come for you,

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because that's the true real information. So in my opinion,

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I think that the occult and a lot of these

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other things that are connected to it, it's more about espionage.

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And now in the occult terms, I think that a

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lot of the occult stuff and the initiates in these

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in these circles was about the passing of information, real

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information like blackmail in an occulted way, in a shrouded way,

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and only those who could read it could pull the

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information out. The guy who created the modern day cryptography Emetheis,

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he wrote a book about how to communicate with angels,

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but it was actually a book about how to hide

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codes within a text that looks like a regular text,

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but he teaches you how to pick it up. That's

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the secret society.

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Speaker 4: But then you also, like you said, there's a lot

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of it that's entertainment, right, or at least like you

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could hear these crazy fantastical stories about things and you

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can take it as entertainment. But then you also have

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people that take it as this is clearly facts, right, Like, uh,

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look at old Billy Carson, right, he got high on

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his own supply way too many times and then went

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up to bat against a real one and got shut

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the fuck down. Then he did everything wrong possible. But

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he's like, Okay, fine, maybe he was wrong about the Bible,

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but he's clearly right about the Samerian tablets and the scrolls.

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And it's like, no, no, you understand he's equally as

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validated in those things as he was saying about this

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same thing with like a Bob Lazar is another example

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of that. And I'm not saying he's full of shit

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by any means, but some of his story checks out.

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Speaker 3: Some of his story not so much.

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Speaker 4: Richard Greer, what's that other guy that's always on rogan

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to do with the British accent?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I know who you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: He wrote between him and an archaeologist who's like an

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actual cost that's the one Graham Hancock.

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Speaker 3: He's entertaining. He's entertaining to listen to one hundred percent,

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but like any actual historian would be able to dissect

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it very quickly, right what the theorizes a lot too.

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It's not saying that like he's looking back and he's

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you know, looking back at certain comments and asteroids that

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are that were possibly coming here and and I love

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those kind of people because instead of just saying, oh, well,

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here's the facts, and I don't have an imagination or

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a curiosity as to how it happened or anything. Because

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it hasn't been confirmed in science doesn't necessarily make make

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him just an entertainer. He could just be a theorizer,

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I mean storyteller. Thing.

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Speaker 4: The storytelling is entertainment. Theorizing is entertainment unless you turn

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out onto the scientific method.

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Speaker 3: But it's just modern to thinking man at that point.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Some people, no matter what information

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you present to them, they're not gonna care it's coming

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from a mainstream source, even if it's right, because they

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want to be against the mainstream source no matter what.

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So you can present to them the information and they

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will completely deny it only because it comes from a

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mainstream source. But if they get it from somebody like

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Graham Hancock, hey man, you know a lot of the

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stuff that he's saying makes a lot of sense. Yeah,

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it makes a lot of sense. But the mainstream and

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I'm not saying the mainstream could be right. I think

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that they have a lot of things wrong. But the

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mainstream says is you think that, Uh yeah, the Egyptians

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levitating the rocks into place is pretty crazy, right, Yeah,

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that's crazy. But also is the idea that they might

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have used a ramp to put up the stones up

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at the pyramid. That's ludicrous, that's wild. Like, bro, what

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you just said that they levitated the stones in place,

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but the fact that they could have had a ramp,

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that's even crazier to suggest you're smoking some shit, bro.

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Speaker 3: Like anything is possible with that. You know, I've heard

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the whole the levitation via what was it like sound

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frequency or something like.

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Speaker 4: That, or magnets and like that, there is some weight

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to be hell with that. We can in fact levitate

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objects and make water defy gravity with sound waves.

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Speaker 3: Like there is that kernel of truth there, and given

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the credence for it.

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Speaker 4: We also know that Egypt had a massive slave population

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for like over a millennia.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, it's I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 4: But it's also the fact that we still don't know

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how the Great Pyramids were built or who built them.

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There's there's records to say that, well, this person did it,

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but they actually pre date those written records and those

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hieroglyphs and so that's because there's no concrete evidence to

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say one or another. That leads it open to the interpretation, which, again,

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it's fun to theorize and fun to bounce back ideas.

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Speaker 3: But then you have these people that take that to

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the nth.

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Speaker 4: Degree on either side of that argument, and then they

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start belittling the other side for having different beliefs, and

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it's like, Okay, that's not even entertaining to listen to.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think that there's any problem in

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coming up with your own theories. But whenever you call

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somebody a fucking idiot or a FED or you know,

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retarded or something like that because they don't believe what

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you believe, who's learning from that at that point? Like,

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if you're calling me a FED or somebody stupid and

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you're trying to present a point to me, I'm going

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to neglect your opinion out of spite, not because I've

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looked into it, but now I'm just looking into you,

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and the fruit is fucking spoiled, And if that fruit

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is spoiled, I'm not looking into it. I really don't care.

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That's the way I look at it.

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Speaker 2: That's why I like having caught. I think the baits

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are really gay, Like can you imagine wanting to convince

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another man like how you think and what you think

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and why you think it and try to change their mind.

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That's kind of gay, Like you want to kiss him

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tube Like I think that I like having conversations, have

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a conversation and just talk it out and present your

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ideas and that's it and at the end of the day,

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you don't change your mind. Again the sleeper aspect, they're

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gonna find their way eventually if it is. But these

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people how you're saying, they go. It's like the craziest thing.

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And the fact that we even have ideas, right, Like

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the concept of an idea is even whif you really

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or do ideas even come? Are they even your ideas?

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Speaker 3: Right? Really?

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Speaker 2: Probably they come from this area and you're just like, man,

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that made sense or I just got this crazy idea.

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It just like manifests from like another dimension into this

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reality and then you take that and you do other

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things with it. Belief systems are crazy to me, Like

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all that stuff is crazy to me. And the way

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that people attach themselves to it's almost like the human

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experience is, you know, wanting to associate with something and

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it's been like that through all of history that we

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know of. And my issue is, you know, the first

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forty eight this show where it's modern day, they can't

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even figure out who the hell murdered a person. But

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yet you're gonna tell me that you figured out who

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built the pyramids and how they built it.

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Speaker 3: You got to take a lot of that shit on

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faith at that point. I mean, at a certain point

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you got to say, you know what, I don't know

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one hundred percent, but it's my working theory. Like, but

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to be so sure that everybody else is stupid as

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00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:36,400
a result of that, it's like you're missing the entire point.

473
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,200
But that being said, I will say that I do

474
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,799
love flat earthers, and I do love you know, other

475
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,480
conspiracies and theories out there. I may not agree with them,

476
00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:50,400
but I think that they are actually pretty important. For example,

477
00:24:50,839 --> 00:24:54,319
I mean, if it wasn't for you know, my rabbit

478
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,480
hole dive into flat Earth initially, I don't know if

479
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,160
the cult of conspiracy would have ever and created. It

480
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,880
was because the concept so amazing. It was the first

481
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,400
conspiracy that I really looked into and latched onto and

482
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,599
not gonna lie, dude, I was addicted to that shit.

483
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,640
I was going, they have this live YouTube channel for

484
00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:18,680
flat Earth twenty four to seven, and I was just like,

485
00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:22,440
I'm not watching the Steelers today. I'm not watching you know,

486
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,960
wrestling or whatever I would normally watch, like I'm watching this,

487
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,519
and I just found it so fascinating. Not necessarily because,

488
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,039
you know, because it's true. I mean, I played with

489
00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:36,240
the idea of what if it is true? But what

490
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:40,640
it does is is that it allows you to shift perspective.

491
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:43,079
And that's what I think is the most important part

492
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,359
about all conspiracies, because I mean, think about it, most

493
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,279
of our lives, we go through it assuming that we're

494
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,519
pretty much correct about everything. Like you kind of have

495
00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:57,799
to have that attitude, right, Like whenever you're driving, you

496
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,519
have to you have to be sure about every turn

497
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:02,200
that you're gonna make, if you're merging into a lane,

498
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,599
you have to be sure that you're right about the

499
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,480
certain things. And so after a while, you know, your

500
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:10,480
brain just starts to imagine, well, I'm sure, and you know,

501
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:13,559
the the concept of the world and the reality that

502
00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:16,079
we live in. I know what it is, and therefore

503
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,079
nobody can tell me what it isn't. And that's a

504
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,440
dangerous place to be. So whenever you do have flat

505
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,200
earthers or the Tartaria people or the Epstein flight log

506
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,039
people or the q Andon whatever, these are literally like

507
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:35,319
they are hammers to like corroded pinial glands in my opinion,

508
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,960
But also I think depends on I'm with you.

509
00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:42,079
Speaker 4: I'm with you to that, And to be honest, I

510
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,400
have never heard this story about how flat earth is

511
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,680
the reason why the culture conspiracy was births, So I uh,

512
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,759
so on I don't know if you know this. This

513
00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:52,880
show existed for about six months before I came on, right,

514
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,640
And so it was Jonathan and his hat and they

515
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,960
were running it and it was fun, good things. Me

516
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,960
and him got together and it just kind of blossom

517
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,160
than to what it is today, slowly but surely.

518
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 3: It's a great thing.

519
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 4: We discovered accidentally that we were like did we catch

520
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,599
lightning in a bottle? Because he and I are so different,

521
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,440
but we also jive on these important topics but are

522
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,039
so different in others.

523
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,079
Speaker 3: And it's like, is this what we're doing now? Bro?

524
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,359
And so it kind of it worked out.

525
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 4: Right, Jonathan, I had no fucking idea that flat Earth

526
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,440
was your big one, right, So For me, it was yeah,

527
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,599
growing up in a household where JFK's assassination was being discussed.

528
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: At the daring table of how that was bullshit? Right.

529
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 4: The first conspiracy that I on my own started digging

530
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:38,599
into is nine to eleven. I was a freshman in

531
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,160
high school and I first heard something about how there

532
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,160
was a conspiracy behind this, and I'm like, wait what.

533
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,839
Speaker 3: That was a thing that.

534
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,519
Speaker 4: Just shattered my existence. I still went and joined the

535
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:49,920
military over it, though, because you know, war is good.

536
00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:53,440
I'm just saying it's the only system that works. System like,

537
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:56,799
over and over again. The only thing that settles differences

538
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,559
on a large scale is bloodshed. I don't like it,

539
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:02,799
but I'm just happy to live in the country that spoke.

540
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:08,079
Speaker 3: Yes exactly for that reason why jacobs a fed exactly

541
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:09,839
what I was getting ready to say. But I also

542
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,160
don't want wars just for no reason. Yo.

543
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:18,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I interviewing this guy this week. But Jonathan, uh,

544
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,119
where do you stand with the flat earth? My My

545
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,799
issue isn't with flat earth. That's with flat earthers and

546
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:25,559
the way that they portray their ideas very obnoxious and

547
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,559
just annoying. But where do you stand why?

548
00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:29,799
Speaker 3: Because they're always on the defense. I've I've had to

549
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:30,519
learn that too.

550
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 4: They are always defending their beliefs against people who are

551
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,759
calling them idiots. It's very rare that you'll meet a

552
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:39,240
flat Earther that will like conversate about it.

553
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: That are like that one of them. Josh Monday is

554
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,680
one of them that you can talk to have a

555
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,839
regular conversation with about flat Earth, and I love that. Yeah,

556
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,519
But most of them, confirmation comes from, you know, certain

557
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,599
Bible interpretations.

558
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,319
Speaker 2: And that's a problem too, because then they take religion

559
00:28:57,359 --> 00:28:59,640
and then you get conspiracies that clump in. Like the

560
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,359
latest what I've seen is like the Little Season theory

561
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:06,599
and Tartaria getting on and flat Earth get all all

562
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,599
put because all the the resurrected Saints live in the

563
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,920
North Pole and that's why you can't go. So it's

564
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,559
taken Tartaria, a Little Season and flat Earth and just

565
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,519
like Boom put it like that, and it's like they

566
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,559
got like the the holy Grail of conspiracies in their

567
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:24,839
ahead and they've got it all for. But what are

568
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,200
you now, Johnny, Like, do you believe Globe? Do you

569
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,680
believe hollow I'm a hollow earth, dude.

570
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:36,279
Speaker 3: I actually I and this sounds like a crazy theory,

571
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:43,079
but it has been confirmed by multiple sources within you know, yeah,

572
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:45,880
YouTube and TikTok has confirmed it. No, I'm just kidding,

573
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,960
but like if you look back at a lot of

574
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,200
the the old CIA papers that you know, they were

575
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,000
allowing to come out over the past couple of years,

576
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,799
which I'm not gonna sit here and say that I'm

577
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,519
one hundred percent believing that the CIA is spreading truthful

578
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:03,880
information either, but start somewhere, right. I believe that we

579
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,920
are living in some kind of holographic simulation, and I

580
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,400
think that it's entirely possible that, Like, so we all right,

581
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,880
we we think that we're physical beings, but that's actually

582
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,640
not even the case. We are not to get woo

583
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,640
woo here, but we are spiritual beings living in human existence.

584
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:27,920
Like that's not that crazy to say, right, I think

585
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,160
that that's absolutely what it is. This is kind of

586
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,839
like a dream. I'll give you an example. This is

587
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,920
gonna blow your mind. Okay, so uh it was, I

588
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,640
don't know. Two three weeks ago, I have another podcast

589
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,799
called Meta Mysteries, and we had a guest on there.

590
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:47,039
His name is Optimistic Banks. Really cool, dude. But and

591
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:51,240
he he brought up the idea of Okay, so there's

592
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,200
there's people that the dream all the time. Jacob never dreams,

593
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,720
but I dream all the time, dude. And uh, you know,

594
00:30:58,079 --> 00:30:59,759
whenever you wake up from a dream, it might be

595
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:02,319
so embolic and you don't really know the meaning behind it,

596
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,359
like those people that for example, like if you have

597
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,440
a dream and all your teeth are falling out, like

598
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:09,759
the old wives tale is that somebody close to you

599
00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:12,240
is going to die. I don't know how those two correlate,

600
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,920
but that's what the that's what they say. But if

601
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,240
you go into a dream interpreter, like you go to

602
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,119
a dream interpreter, they have dream interpreter ais and shit

603
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,200
like that, and you can always get your dream interpreted. Well,

604
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:28,599
you can use that on the other side too, because

605
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:33,039
there are some people that speculate that this reality is

606
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:36,200
a dream. The Hindus and the Buddhists, they have terms

607
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,400
for this. They believe that this is just another facet

608
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,720
of the dream world. And so the idea is is

609
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:46,279
that if something crazy happens to you and you're in

610
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,720
real physical life and waking life, something crazy happens to you,

611
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:53,119
then what you can do is is you can plug

612
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,920
that into a dream interpreter, bro, and this is gonna

613
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,839
blow your fucking mind. You can even go to a

614
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,000
dream interpreter and just say, oh, this was a dream

615
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,039
that I had. You can look up at like the

616
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,720
meaning behind it and possibly why it happened, and it's

617
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:10,839
usually like a spiritual kind of thing. So I just

618
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,359
recently had something crazy happened. And so like a few

619
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,319
weeks ago, my dog bit somebody and it was horrific, bro,

620
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,400
Like I it was like the worst I'd ever felt.

621
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,319
Like this, this poor person got like got bit. And

622
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:31,319
my dog is not aggressive at all. No, he's actually

623
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:33,319
like a mix between a boxer and a wiener dog

624
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,839
like not aggressive, right, he has a boxer head and

625
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:36,720
then a wiener body.

626
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,839
Speaker 2: And well keep in.

627
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: Mind now Docsin's are in the top five most aggressive

628
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,119
dog breeds.

629
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: Little known fact. I didn't know that. So anyway, my

630
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:49,200
dog bit somebody, and so what I did, I was like,

631
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,799
all right, let me try and see this, you know,

632
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,480
trying to take my mind off of it somehow, And

633
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:57,200
I plugged it into a dream interpreter, And wouldn't you

634
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,440
believe I'm not going to get too specific, and wouldn't

635
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,200
you believe that it completely correlated with what was going

636
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,359
on in my life at that moment, Like it was

637
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,640
almost like it was such an epiphany moment for me

638
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:14,440
that I instantly understood that we are absolutely living in

639
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:19,319
some kind of dream realm. And you know, you look

640
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:21,400
down at the atom and then down to the quark,

641
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,000
and it's not really anything physical anyway, Like atoms are

642
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,519
completely empty outside of the energy and the light that

643
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,720
are within them. I mean, every single thing that you

644
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,000
think is physical isn't at all. It is. It is

645
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:36,839
fucking coding. Like whenever you go and you stub your

646
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,440
I always say this, but whenever you go and stub

647
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:40,519
your toe on the corner of the wall, right, like

648
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,480
we think that our toe is hurting, but it's actually not.

649
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:44,480
It's just some kind of censor that's sending it back

650
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,920
up to our brain that's saying that your toe is hurting, right,

651
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:53,519
And so it's like your existence is being interpreted through

652
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,799
your mind, like your mind is literally tricking you. And

653
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,079
something that something that the Hindus say, I think it's

654
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:03,839
a Hindu thing. It could be Buddhist, but I'm pretty

655
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:05,799
sure it's a Hindu thing. They have this thing where

656
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:09,880
it's called Maya, and they believe that the Maya is

657
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,159
the dream reality that is trying to fool you into

658
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:18,360
believing that this is a real thing. And it's quite crazy, dude,

659
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,599
because the Maya, you know, you could look at that

660
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,039
as like, it's the serpent, it's the snake, it's the devil,

661
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:28,400
it's the deceit. It's it's keeping you connected to like

662
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,119
this physical uh, this physical world and getting you addicted

663
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,719
to this or or whatever, like whenever you got that

664
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,280
animalistic need, that's the Maya. It's it's fucking with your mind.

665
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,719
And so I don't know, I look at this world

666
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,880
completely different. And if it wasn't for my other podcast,

667
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,199
Meta Mysteries, I probably would be stuck on like maybe

668
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,400
it's still a double toroid Earth, which is still kind

669
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:51,840
of crazy.

670
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,519
Speaker 4: And I'll say that as far as the flat Earth

671
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,880
community goes, the ones that are of the UH simulation

672
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,559
slash matrix theory, right, which is not exactly what Jonathan's

673
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:04,360
on right at this moment, but at the same time,

674
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,360
it's of the same flavoring. I guess you're the same

675
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,599
kind of family. Even though I'm a ball earther simulation

676
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:13,920
slash matrix theory.

677
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 3: It checks out, and that's the problem.

678
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,599
Speaker 4: It's like you, there's no way of testing that to

679
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,880
see if there's something beyond that, Like we wouldn't know

680
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,599
about it in the reality we currently reside in. That

681
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,800
that's one of those that's like, all right, I see

682
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:27,519
where you're going with this.

683
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,639
Speaker 3: I get it. So whenever in Jacob, I know you

684
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:32,360
don't dream very often, but you have before. And then one,

685
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,079
are you somebody that dreams semi frequently?

686
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:41,679
Speaker 2: Yes, frequently? And also if I if I indulge in cannabis,

687
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,480
I won't. But if I don't, which I'm usually you know,

688
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,599
I'll smoke a bowl once every few months. Maybe if

689
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:53,199
that I will dream. And I do have vivid dreams.

690
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,519
And I've also tried. Have I told you guys about

691
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:56,559
my skullfunk method?

692
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: Skull fucking I'm all about it. What is it?

693
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: So? It's not my method, but it's a method. You

694
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,719
guys want to hear about it, all right? For those

695
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,400
my people have heard about it before. But I'm gonna

696
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,559
tell it to you guys because you guys seem like, well, Jacob,

697
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:13,440
you try this. I'm gonna give you two. I'm gonna

698
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:21,199
give you two ways to have very very good dream recollection.

699
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,840
The first one is called the Pythagorean method. And what

700
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,320
you do is, when you're laying down, you're tired of

701
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,159
getting ready to go to bed, you're gonna think about

702
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:35,000
your day backwards. Everything you did. Start small, right, Sometimes

703
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:36,760
you're not gonna remember your whole age because that's just

704
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,119
the way it is. You know, we're busy people and

705
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:40,400
we do stuff right, So think of your day backwards

706
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,599
and you walk through your day backwards all the way

707
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,119
to when you woke up. I do that every night

708
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:48,400
and then just drift off to sleep. And it's supposed

709
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,039
to again. This is something that Manly p Hall taught

710
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,400
Ronnie Pontiac. Will shout out to Ronnie.

711
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:56,119
Speaker 3: And sak, I love that guy.

712
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: He's awesome, dude, shout out to him. And for me,

713
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:06,480
it's worked. I can have up to ninety person one

714
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,320
time I had a crazy dream and I can like

715
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,519
remember everything. I'm like, this is crazy. So the skull

716
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,760
fuck method, let me pull it up here.

717
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: Do you have trouble getting to sleep? That's my next question.

718
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:21,039
Oh see, that's the difference, bro. When my head. It

719
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:21,599
is the pillow.

720
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:26,159
Speaker 4: We have a solid five to six seconds before I'm

721
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:26,760
in a coma.

722
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,039
Speaker 2: But are you do you do the the Navy seal

723
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:31,559
method to go to sleep? Do you do that?

724
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 4: I know the method you're talking about, and no, My

725
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:36,400
method is my head.

726
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,639
Speaker 3: It's the pillow. I shut my eyes, I'm out dog

727
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,320
like method.

728
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,039
Speaker 4: So it's a breathing technique that you do, and it

729
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:46,320
essentially like puts you it it. I'm not saying like

730
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,920
causes your brain to hyperventilate and go dark, so to speak.

731
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,119
But that's the oversimplification of what's happening. You hold your breath,

732
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,480
deep breath, you hold it for like four seconds, you

733
00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:57,840
slow release, you do something.

734
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: There's a method to it, and it works tons of guys.

735
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:03,039
Speaker 4: And this is how like Navy seals train themselves to

736
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:05,519
be able to sleep instantly. But uh, even when I

737
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:07,079
went to the VA, I had to go for a

738
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,199
sleep apnea study, so they hooked my head up to

739
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,880
diodes and all this shit. Bro, when I go down,

740
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,239
I am in a coma, Like there there's little to

741
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,719
no brain acts. It's not that I'm not remembering my dreams.

742
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,400
I'm not fucking dreaming.

743
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: Bro, and little to no brain activity when you wake

744
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:24,039
up too, Bro, you got it on when you're sleeping,

745
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,679
I'm just oh.

746
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 4: When I wake up, I have about sixty seconds of

747
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,159
like trying to catch my bearings of where I'm at

748
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:30,920
and what's going on.

749
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,119
Speaker 3: And then like yeah, and I'm a morning person.

750
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 4: No, when I wake up, man again, you give me

751
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,559
about a minute or two to like get my muscles moving,

752
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:40,440
and like we in it.

753
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: We locked in. Let's go get some caffeine, let's get

754
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:43,280
after it.

755
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: Here's my thing one to get up horrible. But once

756
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,199
I'm up, I'm going. I'm going. I'm going, and I

757
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,199
can go for a long time. But then when I

758
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,760
go down to wake back up, bro, I'm done. Like

759
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,079
it's I'm a Taurus, guys, you know it's just Taurus

760
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:07,119
and me. Right, let's go. So we got the skull

761
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,960
fuck an exercise and dream recall. Now it's gonna sound

762
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:14,480
a little gay. Bear with me.

763
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 3: With a name like skullfuck, I mean, yeah, you're not.

764
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: You don't have to use the symbology that we're gonna

765
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,360
speak of, but you can use you know, a key

766
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,800
and a hole, you can use a ring and a finger.

767
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,719
You can use anything you want if you don't want

768
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,039
to feel a little gad, you know, laying down next serious.

769
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:33,599
Speaker 3: Trade it whatever we're about to talk about.

770
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So purpose And I found this on I have

771
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,800
this USB drive with the Sacred Texts. You know that

772
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,280
website that's got a ton of books like Esoteric and

773
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,639
or could books. So I had gotten this drive. It's

774
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:50,639
got like thirty thousand books or something like that. And

775
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,960
I was looking for an episode topic and I was

776
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,159
on the randomized butte just randomize, just reading different books,

777
00:39:57,199 --> 00:39:59,360
and it came across this for whatever reason. So purpose

778
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,079
this is is an exercise to aid in the recollection

779
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:06,039
of dreams through the use of visualization and tactical imagery.

780
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:08,559
It is best performed at times at the times that

781
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:11,719
one begins to fall asleep. And I've tried this a

782
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,719
few times, guys, it works. It's so Number one, relax,

783
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,199
take a few deep breaths, and concentrate on the present

784
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,480
sensation of your extremities. So you start to focus on

785
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:25,400
your hands and your feet and everything. Allow yourself to

786
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,119
feel the gradual decrease in sensitivity of the limbs as

787
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:30,719
you drop off to sleep, so you know when you

788
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,079
get that feeling where you don't feel your arms anymore

789
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:35,719
because you haven't moved them in so long, and your

790
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,800
body's like, hey, it's your nose. It's ignore that. Do

791
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,400
you just stay there and you don't feel your arms,

792
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,559
you don't feel your legs. Switch your attention rapidly from

793
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:48,199
limb to limb, but block out extraneous thoughts as completely

794
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,840
as possible. When nearly all sensation is lost in the extremities,

795
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,840
switch your attention to your spine so where it gets

796
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,079
a little gay, Localize your attention to the sensation at

797
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:02,719
each vertebrate. Gonna go each individual vertebringing to concentrate on

798
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,920
going all the way up. Uh, send a current of

799
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,440
energy up from the base very slowly to the top.

800
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:14,719
When the current reaches the top, visual so you're gonna

801
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,519
send this.

802
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,039
Speaker 3: The fact that you're stopping says it was about to get.

803
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,079
Speaker 2: It's gonna yeah, it's gonna get.

804
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

805
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: You visualize this light coming up from like your you know,

806
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,360
your the bottom of your of your spine all the

807
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,559
way to the top. Right when the current reaches the top,

808
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:34,800
visualized the entire spine as a penis. And I like

809
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,000
to visualize like a huge avatar dick, like a huge

810
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,840
blue dick right at the point where it enters the

811
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,320
skull as this sexually oriented orifice of your choice. So

812
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,559
you can if you like butts, you can do above

813
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:50,440
you like you know whatever, you do that. So you

814
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:55,880
have a huge light penis stroking, yeah, and going into

815
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,159
that hole. Right, you're gonna You're gonna focus on that, right,

816
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,920
Concentrate now on the sensations of the spine penis entering

817
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,760
the Foreman magnum orphice, which is the hole at the

818
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,000
bottom of your of your skull. When bringing the sensation

819
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:12,239
to the conscious level where call that it is your

820
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,079
penis and your and or your orifice, a great deal

821
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:20,559
of sensation is being generated. Now what I mean if

822
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:23,440
you're gonna be uh doing this, doing this next to

823
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,679
your lady at night or your dude whatever. Just again,

824
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,800
I've never felt like the orgasm stuff of it. But

825
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,840
this is like a sexual nosis sort of like magic

826
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,480
or something whatever they call it. Hold you can come

827
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:40,800
from this, hey, dude, I don't know, I've never I've never.

828
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:44,599
Speaker 4: I mean you specifically want They're saying that, like you

829
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:49,320
can uh mind fuck yourself into or.

830
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,199
Speaker 2: Even dude, there's some dudes who can come without coming?

831
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,639
You know that, right, Like some dudes practice coming without

832
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,840
You can do that? Oh yeah, dude, that's crazy.

833
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 3: I've been doing. Dude, that's since I was like, I'm

834
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,320
not gonna say what age.

835
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: Jonathan's been magical, magically masturbating since he was a little boy.

836
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 4: Dude, Like, Cantrick, are we talking about like edging yourself?

837
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,079
Speaker 3: I'm confused. He's talking no, no, No. What I'm saying

838
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:23,639
is like, sometimes you can orgasm without coming. I can

839
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,480
do that like pretty much every time if I want to.

840
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:27,199
It's kind of a pang.

841
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,639
Speaker 2: I was learning so much about Jonathan today and they've been.

842
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:32,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm thinking like that when the mag's empty and

843
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:34,559
you have no more rounds to give, but your mind,

844
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:36,800
you know, your your body's saying no, but your mind

845
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,760
says yes, yeah, you might be lower dust.

846
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,119
Speaker 3: The trick is is that as soon as you're getting

847
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:47,960
ready to orgasm, you like pull back and like try

848
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,920
and prevent yourself from actually achieving like full orgasm to

849
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,599
where you really just have like a tiny orgasm, and

850
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:56,880
then you can just keep going. That's called edging, bro.

851
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: If you do that.

852
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 3: But if you do that, you you can go as

853
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,519
long as you want.

854
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, I mean the other math that I've

855
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,719
always done was like if you're about to nut and

856
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,800
you're like within under five minutes and you're a little

857
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,360
quick on the trigger that night, you pull out, you

858
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,519
smack your nuts real quick. It hurts in about ten

859
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:12,840
seconds later, you're back in action.

860
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: Boys.

861
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: It's not it's you know, not talking.

862
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:18,599
Speaker 4: Like don't hate yourself here, but a quick little back

863
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:21,239
of the finger, like worse.

864
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: Than being punched in the old ball bag. I would

865
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,679
rather get punched than flicked.

866
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,159
Speaker 4: It's hitting the reset button, man. But you're doing it

867
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,280
to the hardness. You're doing it, you know what I mean.

868
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,719
You're not like trying to crush.

869
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,559
Speaker 3: Your boys, but you're hitting that hard recess for sure.

870
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

871
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,119
Speaker 4: Okay, So so edging, that's that's another excellent and it

872
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:41,920
also te It trains you to have stamina, for sure.

873
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:47,599
Speaker 2: So last part, hold the images and yeah, hold the

874
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:51,480
images and sensations in your mind until you do, in

875
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:55,159
fact fall asleep. Attempt immediately to hold up your dream

876
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,280
hands in front of your eyes. By practicing this daily,

877
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,920
and your total dream recalls achieved in a relatively short time.

878
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,519
Now when it says that part told dream recall did

879
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:10,400
this for like a week one time. And Bro, when

880
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,760
I tell you that I can remember reading in my dream,

881
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,000
I can remember everything about my I could wake up

882
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:20,079
and walk you through my dream like it was the crazy.

883
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,400
It sounds weird. You don't have to use a penis,

884
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,480
you can use a key, you can edge yourself like

885
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:29,480
John whatever, you can do whatever. But that's the that's

886
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:30,880
the technique, all right.

887
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,639
Speaker 3: Hey, it's only dumb if it doesn't work. So it's

888
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:37,119
not that it Honestly, it doesn't even sound that crazy.

889
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,599
Like there's a lot of people that you know, are

890
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,480
are trying to find different ways of you know, remembering

891
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,599
their dreams. Some people like the what is it apple

892
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:49,280
juice or something, or you can sleep with the black

893
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,960
obsidian christ apple.

894
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 4: So if you drink amounts of apple juice before you

895
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,960
go to bed, it will like chemically induce crazy dreams.

896
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 3: Sugar. Yeah. Also, sleeping with a red light on in

897
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,400
the room.

898
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:06,599
Speaker 4: Now, I don't mean like a bright ass red light,

899
00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:08,320
but like instead of having like a blue light on

900
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,320
your ceiling, having a red light will induce There you go,

901
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,960
there's a there was an experiment done. I'm trying to

902
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,880
remember which three letter agency did it, but essentially had

903
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,719
a person put on headsets with just playing white noise,

904
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,920
just static, right, and not white noise like sound waves

905
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,280
and like no, no, just static right, cut a ping pong

906
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,079
ball in half and put each.

907
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 3: Of them on top of your lid.

908
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then the red light and apparently you can

909
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,559
self induce hallucinations like without even going scary.

910
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:41,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen people a yeah, yeah, because that that

911
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,920
happens when there's a lot of snow, right, Like people

912
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,719
that live in places that has a lot of snow,

913
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,639
I've heard that happens where they start to hallucinate. Oh shit, yeah,

914
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:52,199
that's where I've seen that. From me. They were talking

915
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,119
about like oh, if you don't know a place with

916
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:56,039
a lot of snow or whatever. Here used the ping

917
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:57,920
and the dude like rips it off his head because

918
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,119
he saw like a bear or something coming towards him,

919
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,480
like and it freaked them out. But I sleep with

920
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,840
a red light on because my wife got us this

921
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,119
this bed frame and she wanted the LED lights on

922
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:12,239
the back, and I like the red because it's kind

923
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,159
of dark, right, So there's an LED strip all across

924
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:17,320
the back of the bed and I put the red

925
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,960
because she likes like the blue or yelling it's like

926
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,840
super brown, like, bro, you can't even sleep with it.

927
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,800
So I turned the red light on, which she doesn't

928
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,920
like it, but I turned that on and it's a

929
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,159
little more subtle. But I have been having some trippy

930
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,079
dreams lately where I'm like remembering them and I think,

931
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,360
like sometimes in the dream, like I had one this

932
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,599
past week where I was hiding behind a car from

933
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:43,599
somebody and they were they were walking past and I

934
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:47,239
was hiding, crouching behind a car, trying to hide from them.

935
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:50,440
But I think what was happening is I was I'm

936
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,239
a stomach sleeper, so I was sleeping on my stomach

937
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,639
like kind of hugging my pillow, and I think that's

938
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:59,480
what I was doing in reality, I was hugging my pillow,

939
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,760
and in the dream it got reinterpreted as like I'm

940
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,840
crouching behind in the same position behind the car. It

941
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,760
was like weird, right, because like I woke up and

942
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,960
I'm like I thought about it after. I'm like, this

943
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,800
is kind of like the same position that I was

944
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,199
in the dream. So I don't know how many times

945
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,679
I've been in a position in my bed and they

946
00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:21,760
say that rather dream yoga, depending on which position you

947
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,960
sleep determines what kind of dreams you have.

948
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: Which that Yeah, they say you're supposed to keep your

949
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:34,639
head pointed north. Another another thing is is that if

950
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:38,880
you keep your head pointed north, then it'll allow like

951
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,840
the dream state to happen a little bit easier, because now,

952
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,960
like you know, I guess it's because we have some

953
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:49,119
sort of magnetism with us, and if your head is

954
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:52,159
facing south, it is like battling against each other. It'

955
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:54,519
to where some people say that that's why like migraines

956
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:57,960
and headaches are happening because you're sleeping in this Uh,

957
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,239
you know, your head is south and so it's like

958
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,280
just some kind of magnetic battle all night or something

959
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,920
like that. I know that's how you make sure you

960
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,440
have a boy versus a girl too. Really, Yeah, I

961
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:09,679
three on that ship.

962
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 2: Depending on where I am, I can't sleep on certain sides,

963
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,239
so I guess I wouldn't be able to sleep. I

964
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:19,960
don't know, I'm gonna have.

965
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,639
Speaker 4: Is it the way the bed is oriented in the room,

966
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,880
that depends on what side you sleep on. Yeah, I've

967
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,880
heard a lot of people say that, like for some

968
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,559
people it's sometimes the guy girl things. Sometimes it's a

969
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,119
who wears the pants in the relationship or who's more dominating.

970
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:36,639
And I'm not trying to shade anybody on this for

971
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:40,360
the record, but there are some I've I've had women.

972
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:43,880
As a matter of fact, my ex wife, mother of

973
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,079
my first two children, she wanted to sleep with me

974
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:50,079
closer to the door or to the windows in case

975
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:53,440
something were to happen. Right then, I've had others that

976
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,360
would sleep with them closer to the door of the

977
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,239
window in case something went wrong. They had a quicker exit,

978
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:00,639
right and it was more about like what put them

979
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,719
more at peace, to get their minds off of the

980
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:05,840
excess shit to where they could go to sleep.

981
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:09,679
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, there's me and I just don't it don't really

982
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:10,320
matter to me.

983
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,079
Speaker 4: But you know, it depends on each person, and sometimes

984
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:14,840
it's even a relationship dynamic thing.

985
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:22,039
Speaker 2: No so yet. In Miami, I sleep facing my wife,

986
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:25,760
but then she sleeps the opposite of where we sleep.

987
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,920
Here in Orlando, I sleep facing away from her and

988
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,639
she sleeps facing towards me, and dude, I can like,

989
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,599
I will not go to sleep if I'm not facing

990
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:40,760
a certain way on my stomach, I will not. And

991
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,360
usually when I want to get a fast and good

992
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,840
night's sleep because I gotta wake up early or whatever

993
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,199
it is, I will immediately assume the position of on

994
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,280
my stomach facing my right way, and I'm dude, I'm out,

995
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,639
like I will be out how you said quick?

996
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 3: Right?

997
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: Like you whatever. I'm trying to do the skull fuck

998
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,559
by that all lay on my back like this and

999
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:05,000
I'll just you know, do my thing and then yeah,

1000
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:08,719
that's all. Just gonna listen to the podcast and be like,

1001
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,960
so that's why you sleep on your back. Sometimes I'm

1002
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,280
just skull fucking myself.

1003
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 3: Hey, why are you erect?

1004
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,559
Speaker 4: Holy shit, Look, I'm trying to sleepness, gotta pop in

1005
00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:22,599
a tent, bro, I'm trying to do the the.

1006
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,679
Speaker 2: Recall is Hey, honey, it's just dream recall. We got

1007
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,280
to understand our dreams, you know. I'm trying to you guys.

1008
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,559
Have you guys ever done astral projection at all? I

1009
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:33,440
mean Jonathan Ellies, Oh.

1010
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well I I had tried doing astra projection.

1011
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,159
You know, like through meditations, you have certain frequencies that

1012
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:42,119
you can listen to that I guess, will you know,

1013
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,639
make it a little bit easier for that type of

1014
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:47,199
thing to happen. And it does feel like you're kind

1015
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:49,920
of just imagining that it's happening. It doesn't feel like

1016
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,639
it's actually happening. Which I mean, if we're living in

1017
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:55,119
a dream world, what's imagining and what's real? Who knows?

1018
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:59,079
But anyway, the the uh, I did have one out

1019
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,199
of body experience. It was just a few months ago actually,

1020
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:07,159
where they say that as long as so I don't

1021
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:09,920
get sleep paralysis a lot, but whenever I do. Ever,

1022
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,440
since I learned this method, I take advantage of it

1023
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,320
every time I can. So the most recent time that

1024
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,800
I had sleep prolyssis like a couple months ago. It's

1025
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,760
basically you know, and it does. Here's a little trick

1026
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,199
to that. You don't necessarily have to be in sleep paralysis.

1027
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,119
You just have to convince your body in your mind

1028
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:32,679
that you're in one. So like I'm not even sure

1029
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:35,559
that I had sleep paralysis, but I assumed that I

1030
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,400
was because my body fell asleep and I still felt

1031
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,119
like I was dreaming in my mind, you know, because

1032
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:41,599
I woke up in the middle of the night like that.

1033
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:43,679
So what I did was. I was like, oh shit,

1034
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,039
let me try and see if I can jump up

1035
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:46,440
out of my body. I feel like I'm in sleep

1036
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,760
paralysis right now. So I always sleep with my bedroom

1037
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,280
door closed right, Like, I can't sleep with that shit open,

1038
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,000
you know, the dogs run out and they fuck with everything,

1039
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:57,280
and I don't know, I just like it and closed.

1040
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,719
So I had this sleep proalysis thing one night, and

1041
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,559
I like I woke up out of I mean, I

1042
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:07,400
was in the sleep prolysis, but I was able to

1043
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:10,119
be kind of coherent, and I was like, let me

1044
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:11,599
try and see if I can get up out of

1045
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:13,559
my body like other people have said that they can do.

1046
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,360
So I did. I got up out of my body

1047
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,519
and I like walked on my bed for some reason.

1048
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,840
And I look back at my body and I'm like,

1049
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:25,920
oh shit, I'm really doing this. This is crazy. And

1050
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,440
then I go and open my bedroom door right and

1051
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,400
I go out into the living room and I'm thinking,

1052
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,280
like what is that thing? Like, how can I prove

1053
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,800
that I'm actually doing this? Like according to me, like

1054
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,800
it felt like a real experience. It felt like I

1055
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,559
was really doing it, you know, like everything in my

1056
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:45,639
apartment was exactly the way I left it. It seemed

1057
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:51,480
absolutely real. And for some reason, within this sleep paralysis

1058
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:55,760
moment or in this dream whatever it was, I like

1059
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,199
left the TV on, which I never do, but in

1060
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,320
this instance, my TV in my living room was on.

1061
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:02,119
So I was like, oh, I know what I can do.

1062
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:04,679
I'll just turn the TV off, and that way, whenever

1063
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,000
I wake up, you know, i'll know that, Like that's

1064
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:11,159
what I did. There was the dumbest thing that I

1065
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:13,719
could have ever thought, because why would my TV be

1066
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,119
on anyway? Right, And so, but I knew that I

1067
00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:18,480
had a very limited amount of time out of body

1068
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:21,039
for some reason, Like I knew that I was gonna

1069
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:23,360
have to get back really quick. So I was only

1070
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,480
out for I don't know, twenty or thirty seconds or

1071
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:27,079
something like that. And then I came back into my

1072
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:29,239
room and I got back into my like I just

1073
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,119
laid back on top of my body, which is pretty

1074
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,199
pretty weird, like almost like a like I just feel gay,

1075
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,199
like like laying on top of yourself. No, it just

1076
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:42,480
felt like getting into your car, you know. Like that's

1077
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:45,760
that's the way I interpreted anyway. And so whenever I

1078
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,000
woke up, I was like, oh my god, did I

1079
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:50,199
really do that last night or was I just dreaming,

1080
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,320
you know, like it could have just been a mind fuck,

1081
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,760
and and and and I was like, what was that?

1082
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,800
What was that thing that I did that that would,

1083
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,400
you know, help me remind my myself that I actually

1084
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:04,119
did this. And I go and I'm like, dude, I

1085
00:55:04,159 --> 00:55:06,119
fucking turned my TV off. It would have been more

1086
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:08,000
important if I had turned the TV on. That would

1087
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:09,599
have that would have proven it a little bit more

1088
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:11,840
to me. But then I noticed, I'm laying in my

1089
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,000
bed and I'm trying to think about it. My fucking

1090
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:18,599
bedroom door was open, bro, So I never sleep with

1091
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:21,840
that door open, and so I'm thinking that was my

1092
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,760
clue that I actually did get out of body, very

1093
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,320
surreal experience. I mean, the same exact feeling of you

1094
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,119
actually getting up out of bed, walking out the door,

1095
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,239
going into your living room, observing everything around you like

1096
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,079
you normally would. It was the same exact thing. So

1097
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,000
for me, that was my out of body experience. I

1098
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,880
haven't had a sleep paralysis or anything since then to

1099
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,760
really try it again, but to me, it's confirmed, yeah,

1100
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,119
that that's actually like a real thing to me.

1101
00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: Anyway, did you open your door in your astral body

1102
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:57,519
or like did you go through it? Because you have

1103
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:04,840
you guys ever read Robert Monroe's book, Yeah, you know,

1104
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,840
and like was it like that? Do you remember even

1105
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,840
going anywhere near your door? Yeah?

1106
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 3: I'm like I assumed that everything that everything that I

1107
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:22,280
could do, I assumed that that, like basically that I

1108
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,000
was still this physical body. So I would have opened

1109
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:27,760
up my door, right And I didn't think about like

1110
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,119
trying to float through my door or anything, because I'm

1111
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:32,360
thinking that it's still me even though I'm looking back

1112
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,679
looking at me. And but yeah, like the Monroe Institute,

1113
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,480
that actually might have been what what sparked it because

1114
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:41,360
on my on my other show, we listened to like

1115
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,519
the Monroe tapes, and you know, read all about Bob

1116
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:47,960
Monroe and the Monroe Institute and and all that kind

1117
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,000
of shit, and they say that if you listen to

1118
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:55,400
those those those tapes, that it'll give you like weird

1119
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:57,880
dreams and stuff like that, because it's all it's just

1120
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,199
a long ass meditation. It's really what it is. But

1121
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:01,960
it's really fucking cool.

1122
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:07,519
Speaker 2: I've only listened to the first one, the first exercise

1123
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:11,199
where you're supposed to, uh listen to the by neuro

1124
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,280
beats and then start doing the you know, like that

1125
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,519
first part. That's the only part that I got to.

1126
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 3: And I like synchronize your tone with the tone that

1127
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:22,559
you're listening to.

1128
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the only thing I did have for

1129
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,920
a long time sleep paralysis. But I haven't had it

1130
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,840
in a minute. And I can't stay in that state

1131
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:36,079
because it feels like there is something that's gonna get me,

1132
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:38,800
and I get the worst kind of anxiety, like you're

1133
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,400
gonna die, that kind of anxiety. And I just I

1134
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,119
had it so much growing up that I've learned already

1135
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:50,960
how to rip myself out of that state right immediately,

1136
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,599
where you kind of do like the you know, you

1137
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,320
sound like a I sound like a dumb ass, you know,

1138
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,559
going like that, and you just like peel yourself out.

1139
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,239
I can do that like almost immediately. Uh. It's scary

1140
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,880
when I've had sleep housses multiple times at night and

1141
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,679
then like y'all wake up in the middle when I

1142
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:13,239
go damn again and then you gotta like pull yourself

1143
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:18,159
out again. So I've never been able to, you know,

1144
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,679
jump out because it feels like something is watching and

1145
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,079
gonna get me. And you know, some people say they

1146
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:28,480
see the old hag sitting on her chest. Uh. Some

1147
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:31,199
of the people say that they that they see shadow people.

1148
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:33,719
I never I've never seen any of that shit. But

1149
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:35,320
I'll tell you for the fact, it's one of the

1150
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,519
most terrifying feelings you'll ever feel, because it's like this

1151
00:58:39,639 --> 00:58:41,960
anxiety just hits you and you're like, you know when

1152
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,000
you were a kid and you felt like if your

1153
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:45,880
if your feet were hanging off the bottom of that,

1154
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,760
something was gonna get you. It's like that, but turned

1155
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,679
up to like a thousand and we were like, holy shit,

1156
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,800
if I don't break out of this, I'm gonna die.

1157
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,320
So I've never never hung around dude like, and I

1158
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:57,199
don't want to find out.

1159
00:58:57,239 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 3: I used to have like nightmares all the time and

1160
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,480
they would always scare the shit out of me, but

1161
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,400
I did. I developed like a defense mechanism for that too,

1162
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,000
to where like even in the dream itself, like if

1163
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,880
something is chasing me, that's scary, and I'm like death

1164
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,599
is imminent and shit like that. For some reason, like subconsciously,

1165
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,840
I know, all right, wake up, Like I don't even

1166
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,199
think about waking up. It's just that I know that

1167
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,039
it's not real, Like in the dream, which is pretty

1168
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:29,440
pretty strange. But like as far as like the sleep paralysis, dude,

1169
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:33,320
you know, the reason why a lot of people get

1170
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,679
so scared intose sleep paralysis things is because you realize

1171
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:40,480
that you're not in control, Like you realize that you

1172
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:42,920
don't have control of your body, and if something was

1173
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,159
going to come and fuck.

1174
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,199
Speaker 2: With you, you would be totally.

1175
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,519
Speaker 3: Defenseless against that, which causes the fear and the anxiety,

1176
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,920
which in turn you're still in that sleep state, right

1177
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:56,159
like still in that the alpha or the theta state,

1178
00:59:56,519 --> 00:59:59,760
So that is the more creative mind in that creativity

1179
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:02,559
is going to just latch onto that fear and latch

1180
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:06,119
onto that anxiety, and it's going to basically like manifest

1181
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:10,119
these fucking scary things. Like people have talked about like

1182
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:12,960
a like a like a fucking eight foot tall slender

1183
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,519
man at the end of their bed whenever they're you know,

1184
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:19,400
having sleep paralysis, and then that same person would say,

1185
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,840
oh my god, it was the scariest thing I ever imagined.

1186
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,440
But after a few days of thinking about it, I

1187
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:28,119
realized that that was just the deepest, darkest parts of myself,

1188
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:31,159
you know, because they say that whenever, like if you

1189
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:34,800
don't like somebody, it's usually because they're they have some

1190
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,679
kind of aspect that you don't like about yourself, right,

1191
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,159
And so if you look at the world like it's

1192
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:42,400
a matrix and that, you know, kind of like it's

1193
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,880
all one video game. The reason why you wouldn't like something,

1194
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,679
how could you if everything is one thing? Right, Like,

1195
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,679
if everything is one thing, how could you be scared

1196
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,039
or judge anything else? Because it is you at that point.

1197
01:00:57,079 --> 01:00:59,920
And that's more of like the dream the dream world

1198
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,360
type of type of thing. Whenever you go you know,

1199
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,360
damn well, whenever you go to sleep and you have

1200
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,679
a dream that's you, Like, every single aspect of that

1201
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,679
dream is you. Like it could be conscious thoughts, it

1202
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:14,840
could be unconscious thoughts. But every single person and every

1203
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,079
single monster and all that shit, they're all just aspects

1204
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:21,280
of your own self. And so if you convert that

1205
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,199
over to this real world, especially for like a sleep paralysis,

1206
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,199
that monster would just be you. It could be something

1207
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:31,519
that you've tried to drown out, or something that you

1208
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:33,800
don't think about, or something that scares you so you

1209
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,840
don't think about it and you don't face it or whatever.

1210
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,440
This is why they say you should do shadow work

1211
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,360
and meditate and all this other kind of stuff. But yeah,

1212
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,920
I feel like I'm just rambling on now, Jake.

1213
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:45,679
Speaker 2: Maybe this is your.

1214
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 4: World on this one, brother, This is so out of

1215
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,920
my realm of what I consider real or or what

1216
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,239
I even consider. So like this is you two are

1217
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:54,800
going at it right now, and I'm here for it.

1218
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 3: Y'all, y'all take it out.

1219
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: I wish you could experience I think Jacob, I think

1220
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,719
he do the skull fuck method. Bro. We'll have another check,

1221
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,719
because I feel like you do dream, you just don't

1222
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:05,599
remember them.

1223
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,559
Speaker 4: According to the brain studies that I've had done, I

1224
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:09,960
do not now I do.

1225
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:12,039
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I never ever dream.

1226
01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:15,039
Speaker 4: I have dreamed before, It's been a few years since

1227
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:17,880
it was like a regular occurrence. I might, and a big,

1228
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,079
big might have one dream per year.

1229
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,519
Speaker 2: So another question for you. I don't know. You guys

1230
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:27,400
are kind of freaking me out. We got Jonathan talking

1231
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,440
about the CIA, maybe putting out good information than Jacob.

1232
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:34,679
You know, I forgot what you said earlier is very fetish.

1233
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,760
Do you have an inner monologue? Can you speak in

1234
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,440
your head without having to speak it out? Oh?

1235
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Hell Jonathan has sent me into a past life

1236
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,360
regression before he hypnotized me, and that was fun as hell.

1237
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 3: Well, I dreamed that night, by the way, too, I did.

1238
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,079
I dreamed that night. As a matter of fact, shel Me.

1239
01:02:54,159 --> 01:02:57,199
It cut into that like brain wave mode. It's not

1240
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,519
impossible for me to dream. And I don't smoke the record,

1241
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:01,920
and so I know I had a lot of people

1242
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,119
in the comments, Yeah, because you're a stoner. I don't smoke.

1243
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,719
Speaker 4: Actually, if we're gonna get real technical, but I have

1244
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:07,440
in the past.

1245
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 2: I mean, nicotine doesn't help either. That's the thing, Like

1246
01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:14,599
nicotine is also another substance that probably inhibits. Yeah, it's

1247
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:16,679
it's again. It's addicting. That's why it's nicotine.

1248
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:18,119
Speaker 3: Golla be out of balls at this point.

1249
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 4: I do plan on quitting it this year, don't get

1250
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,840
me wrong, but as of right now, I mean, I

1251
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,760
don't know. I've been smoking since I was sixteen, and

1252
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,679
I used to when I was in high school. I dreamed,

1253
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,840
when I was in the military, I dreamed. I you know,

1254
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,559
I don't know when. I couldn't even tell you a

1255
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:34,519
pinpoint of when it really stopped for me. But I mean,

1256
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:37,760
it's not impossible for me too. It's just very rare.

1257
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,760
And whenever I do dream, I wake up and can

1258
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,000
remember them. You know, It's it's all of those functions work.

1259
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,840
It's just usually I'm too tired. My brain's just like Homie,

1260
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,679
we've been working all fucking day. Let's just let's take

1261
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:48,239
a night off.

1262
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:49,559
Speaker 2: Here's the deal.

1263
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 3: I just looked at at Healthline and the Sleep Foundation.

1264
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: They they both well, they both.

1265
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:59,159
Speaker 3: Say yes, everyone dreams at night, even if they don't

1266
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:02,440
remember their dream. Most people dream for about two hours

1267
01:04:02,519 --> 01:04:05,719
each night, primarily during a stage of sleep called rapid

1268
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:09,159
eye movement or rem sleep. So it could just be

1269
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:10,719
that your recall is horrible.

1270
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1271
01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:14,039
Speaker 4: But that's the thing. Whenever I do dream, I can

1272
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:17,079
remember it when I wake up. It's not even It's

1273
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:18,920
not that. Even when I did the studies with the VA,

1274
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,119
I was actually very curious about that. I was going

1275
01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:23,920
for sleep apneum but they still hooked up the diodes

1276
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,400
to read brain activity, oxygen levels, all these things.

1277
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: Flatline, dude, We're gonna get to the bottom of this.

1278
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:30,239
Speaker 3: Dude.

1279
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 2: I think that I don't want to say that you're

1280
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,039
full blown NPC and you just shut out of the

1281
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:36,000
matrix as soon as you go to sleep. I don't

1282
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,840
want to think that, Jacob oh I.

1283
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:40,599
Speaker 4: According to whoever you ask, apparently I'm a fed and

1284
01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:43,480
Jonathan's my handler, you know what I mean. And apparently

1285
01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:46,639
I'm just pissing everybody off because they're you know, same

1286
01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:49,119
as that we were talking about earlier, like the conspiracy community.

1287
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:51,039
People kind of go a little too far with it,

1288
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:53,280
and next thing you know, they like, it's obvious this

1289
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,159
person hasn't come up for air or like touched grass

1290
01:04:56,199 --> 01:04:56,960
in a few weeks.

1291
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:58,039
Speaker 3: And then it's like.

1292
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 4: It's the Jews, They're controlling a everything. And I'm like, nah,

1293
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,119
bro Se, y'all got it wrong. It's the fucking gypsies

1294
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:10,719
that are controlling everything. Stephen, Oh fairies, it's the world absolutely.

1295
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:18,159
Speaker 2: Another another conspiracy that kind of that I like, you know,

1296
01:05:18,199 --> 01:05:22,760
the dead Internet theory where all the infrastructure, which a

1297
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,199
lot of it makes sense, there's a lot of like

1298
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:28,559
abandoned infrastructure on the Internet, but that I think that

1299
01:05:28,639 --> 01:05:32,760
a lot of the people that we interact with are

1300
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,800
probably just bots, dude, because they say some of the

1301
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:41,760
most ridiculous shit that you could ever possibly think of.

1302
01:05:42,199 --> 01:05:45,599
And you go a human being couldn't possibly be this

1303
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,559
retarded like of what you're commenting right now. So it

1304
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:50,800
feels like a lot of these people aren't even real.

1305
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,159
And again that's not like like uh, I recently did

1306
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:58,280
a breakdown the Truman Show, right, the movie, which is

1307
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,239
a crazy movie all the time. The Truman Show syndrome

1308
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,280
is a real thing. And I'm sure you guys have

1309
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,320
met people like you see that Disney movie that was

1310
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,280
about me and my family. It's like, all right, bro,

1311
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,119
fucking settled down. Settle down, dude. You know you work

1312
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:13,480
as a janitor somewhere, and ain't nothing wrong with janitor's right.

1313
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,840
Janitors actually, janitors hold the keys to reality. Okay, that's

1314
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:18,800
why they got the keys.

1315
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,719
Speaker 3: Okay, soak your occupation, man.

1316
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:25,559
Speaker 2: There you go. So, uh, you know a lot of

1317
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:31,599
these people, I think that they I think a lot

1318
01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:33,679
of them are bots. The people that we interact with,

1319
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,760
especially in this community. It would make sense, right that

1320
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,599
they would try to infiltrate and spread. And the problem

1321
01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:44,440
is that you have good information with bad information, right,

1322
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,960
and sometimes sometimes both of them make sense, or you

1323
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,920
have a combination of both real information intermingled with the bullshit,

1324
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,800
and you got to kind of sort of make your

1325
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,639
way out, like the whole alien stuff. Dude, I remember.

1326
01:06:57,079 --> 01:06:59,000
I remember it was pretty chill a few years ago.

1327
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,679
Everyone was on board with the alien stuff, like, hey aliens, Yeah,

1328
01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:06,719
they're cool, UFOs. And now I saw like a flip

1329
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,519
of a switch when the government started coming out about it. Oh,

1330
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:12,519
aliens are faking gay. It's all a syop, it's all

1331
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:15,880
Project Blue bit. It's like, dude, I was in freaking

1332
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:20,639
elementary school reading about Area fifty one, and I was

1333
01:07:20,679 --> 01:07:22,960
always wondering, like, what the hell's in there? Man? Do

1334
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:24,599
you think they got aliens in there? Like this is

1335
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:28,960
the craziest thing UFOs roswell. Like the first one for

1336
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,960
me was the Bermuda Triangle. Like when I first got

1337
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,199
into this sort of reading about Flight nineteen, I'm like,

1338
01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:38,719
as a kid, where the hell do you remember those

1339
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:43,239
Scholastic book fairs? Yeah, where they had a whole bunch

1340
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,960
of create reading Goosebumps. You guys remember reading Goosebumps growing up?

1341
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 3: Crazy dude, our children?

1342
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Like, oh, I remember a series of unfortunate

1343
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,159
events was another one of my favorites and growing up

1344
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:59,280
as a kid. But again, this I knew as a kid,

1345
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,679
I'm like, yeah, there's definitely UFOs, there's definitely aliens, and

1346
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:08,920
now aliens are just, according to Greer, the some alien

1347
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:15,760
grays or robotic cyborgs or half meat soup slash and

1348
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,880
joid things, and it's like, where do we get it?

1349
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:20,239
Sounds like a good plot to.

1350
01:08:20,199 --> 01:08:25,079
Speaker 3: A movie, like biological ais and shit like that. Well

1351
01:08:25,119 --> 01:08:28,039
as far as the people being NPC's, you know, I

1352
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:30,920
used to think that that was like absolutely what was

1353
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:31,720
going on somehow?

1354
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,319
Speaker 2: You ever seen your neighbor bring in groceries.

1355
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:38,359
Speaker 3: I've heard of that one too, and not gonna lie.

1356
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:40,920
Every time I bring in groceries, I try and make

1357
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,399
it known to everybody so they can wake up from

1358
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:47,319
this fucking drug. Like, look what I'm doing. I got

1359
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,640
the groceries just so you know I'm real. I'm not

1360
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,880
a figment of your imagination. But uh but no. Like

1361
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:56,000
in regards to the NBC thing, though, I used to

1362
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,199
think that too, but then I started to remember, Bro,

1363
01:08:59,039 --> 01:09:01,199
there was definitely a point in my life where I

1364
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,560
used to be an NPC, like one hundred percent bought

1365
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,239
into the system. Like if I heard something on the news,

1366
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:08,920
I believed it it's the news. They're not gonna lie

1367
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,039
to us. If the government said something, I believed it,

1368
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:12,000
it's a government, they're.

1369
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:12,560
Speaker 2: Not gonna lie to us.

1370
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,239
Speaker 3: It's the same thing of like, you know, like developing

1371
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,800
that level of respect for your parents, you know, like

1372
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,119
you don't question what your parents say. They're trying to

1373
01:09:20,119 --> 01:09:23,079
guide you in the right direction. And now that overlay

1374
01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:27,000
converts to you know, the government and everything else, like

1375
01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:29,960
you get so caught up and the stupid little like

1376
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:32,520
reality TV shows. Dude, I used to be obsessed with

1377
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,640
Jersey Shore. That was my shit back right right, But that's.

1378
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: Just that learning so much about Jonathan today, Man.

1379
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,279
Speaker 3: That was NPC Jonathan. That's what I'm trying to say.

1380
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,079
And but that's going back to the maya of what

1381
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:49,840
I was talking about earlier. That's the illusion fooling you

1382
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,600
right before your own eyes. And if you can't crack

1383
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,720
that system, then the maya is just gonna stay, you know,

1384
01:09:56,359 --> 01:10:00,239
fooling you, it's gonna stay, keeping you in this materi

1385
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:03,119
realm and keeping you in the the idea that you're

1386
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,640
right about everything, or that you can figure out everything,

1387
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,039
or or respecting certain people, you know, the not respecting

1388
01:10:09,079 --> 01:10:13,399
you should respect everybody, but like believing everybody, uh, just

1389
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,840
because well they're smarter than me, so they must they

1390
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,479
must got it right, right, Like that's a dangerous place

1391
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,760
to be too. So once you can understand that this

1392
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:25,000
world is somewhat of an illusion, now it's like you

1393
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:27,960
can't be an NPC anymore. It's actually impossible to be

1394
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,600
an NPC because now you're looking at the world for

1395
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,680
what it is, and it's trying to get you to

1396
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,159
talk about fucking Kim Kardashy, and it's trying to get

1397
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:38,119
you to talk about you know, just these people that

1398
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:39,479
literally don't matter.

1399
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 4: And it depends right, like you said, the smartest guy

1400
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:43,680
on earth and all these things, and it's it is

1401
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,079
dangerous to listen to these people. Look, Isaac Newton allegedly

1402
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:51,000
one of the smartest guys of his day and age, right, hermeticist,

1403
01:10:51,119 --> 01:10:54,439
an alchemist, a father of physics and all these things.

1404
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 3: He died from drinking mercury.

1405
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,399
Speaker 4: Like he wasn't that fucking smart, Like he was smart,

1406
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,239
per the but he was also fucking retarded in others, Like.

1407
01:11:03,359 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 3: You see what I mean for sure? Yeah, yeah, And

1408
01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:08,840
that's the thing is that you know, you can only

1409
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,600
be as smart as what you know the information allows.

1410
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,000
I mean, if you're somebody that is like a scholar

1411
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:17,840
or scientific or something like that. That's why I just

1412
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,560
stay open minded, as open minded as I possibly can

1413
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,000
about a lot of this shit. Like and literally, like

1414
01:11:23,039 --> 01:11:24,840
the saying on my show on my other show is

1415
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,560
you don't know what you don't know. I walk around

1416
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,720
with that mentality of like, all right, if if we

1417
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,439
get a guest that comes on the show on either

1418
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,479
one of the shows and they're trying to present something,

1419
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,000
I don't sit there and try and battle them, because

1420
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,359
my belief trump's theirs. I try and listen to what

1421
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,640
their view is, try and get an understanding of whatever

1422
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,079
it is. Put myself in that headspace that allows me

1423
01:11:48,199 --> 01:11:51,239
to understand the way they're thinking and why they think this,

1424
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,800
and and stuff like that. But if you just walk

1425
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,760
around and you think that you know every damn thing

1426
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,720
and you're gonna argue for everybody that disagrees with you,

1427
01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:01,359
that's a fucking NPC move.

1428
01:12:02,039 --> 01:12:05,319
Speaker 4: I always get accused of this for various reasons.

1429
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong.

1430
01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:08,199
Speaker 4: And it's not that I think I know everything, but

1431
01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:10,800
I know more than most. I would argue that point

1432
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:12,520
it's not me trying to be narcissistic, but I have

1433
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,399
a little bit of knowledge about a lot of things

1434
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,560
right right in that kind of dark Yeah, But like

1435
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:18,960
I typically.

1436
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,199
Speaker 3: Try to let people, you know, go on their tangents.

1437
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:24,399
Speaker 4: But typically whenever they start going at the Bible or

1438
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,079
some sort of religious book, I want to ask a

1439
01:12:27,159 --> 01:12:29,479
few questions and just put what they're saying through a

1440
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,960
couple of levels of a bullshit sifter to see if

1441
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:33,079
it can even make it through the.

1442
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,199
Speaker 3: First two different questions, you know what I mean.

1443
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 4: And typically when they can't, I'm obviously just being an asshole.

1444
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,199
And it's like, okay, so that's a that's a thing

1445
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:43,079
for sure.

1446
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: But it's good to have a healthy level of skepticism

1447
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,880
because how Jonathan said, like if you just one hundred

1448
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,279
percent believe, and that's why again, I have zero posoves

1449
01:12:53,319 --> 01:12:57,560
flat Earth. It's the people, right, the concept cool, dude.

1450
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,760
I mean, I talk about the homunculus. So I hate

1451
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,279
when like, you're just not open minded of dude, I've

1452
01:13:03,399 --> 01:13:06,279
looked into it. Trust me. It doesn't like there's things

1453
01:13:06,279 --> 01:13:08,239
that don't make sense. Now, there are things that the

1454
01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:11,600
flat earth answers that the globe doesn't and vice versa.

1455
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,399
They're both flawed, right, But just because you watched a

1456
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,840
few Eric Dube videos and a couple of debates, right,

1457
01:13:19,359 --> 01:13:22,560
you know whatever, the whole latest thing was the final

1458
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:26,720
experiment and I'm like, yeah, that was hilarious. They'll length

1459
01:13:27,239 --> 01:13:29,720
And this is why I'm saying this whole idea of

1460
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,199
people being mentally like legitimately being mentally and a lot

1461
01:13:33,279 --> 01:13:37,800
of the things that I see on the online. If

1462
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,079
you're being presented something and you just flat out don't

1463
01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:43,520
want to accept it, you're either a bot or you're

1464
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:47,119
mentally ill. And the fact that they've gone to the

1465
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:51,239
lengths of saying, oh, they were in an Amazon movie

1466
01:13:51,279 --> 01:13:53,880
studio and it was a whole blue screen or a

1467
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,760
whole green screen. Bro, you'd rather believe that crazy ass

1468
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,000
shit that they're in the Truman Dome versus that they

1469
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:04,199
actually went to Antarctica and saw twenty four hour son.

1470
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,520
Speaker 3: Well, because where were the guys on the ice wall

1471
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,359
with the guns? We all know that's real. And it's like, bro,

1472
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:13,640
what people were always gonna try and debunk a video anyway?

1473
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,000
I will say this, there were some edits in that video,

1474
01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:20,640
and I think that we're crying and if they were

1475
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:24,319
trying to really prove it, you should have never edited it.

1476
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,279
Like that's the thing. You have to have that continuous video,

1477
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:32,359
Like you know, we can have videos of the ISS

1478
01:14:32,399 --> 01:14:34,880
being built, right, like we can we can watch like

1479
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:38,159
not being built, but like adding parts and taking away parts,

1480
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:41,359
but there's no video of like showing how they got

1481
01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:44,399
all that shit up, like we can look down you

1482
01:14:44,399 --> 01:14:45,800
know what I'm saying. It's all perspective.

1483
01:14:46,079 --> 01:14:50,399
Speaker 4: But even these days of a full unedited video, someone's gonna.

1484
01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:52,319
Speaker 3: Say, oh, it was just a I oh, well, it

1485
01:14:52,319 --> 01:14:54,399
was all CGI from the beginning. That's why it never

1486
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:55,039
panned away?

1487
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,239
Speaker 4: Or was this or was this if if people are

1488
01:14:57,279 --> 01:14:59,560
looking for a flaw, they'll just come up with one.

1489
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 2: Bro. Also, a lot of this stuff that happens, and

1490
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,239
we're gonna use flat with as an example, is they're

1491
01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:08,800
in front of a computer screen. Hey, look at this.

1492
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,079
This looks off. Look at this. You ever seen you know,

1493
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,079
if you ever look at a cloud and it looks

1494
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:18,399
like Snoopy for one second and then the other cloud

1495
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,079
kind of looks like Princess Peach, it's like looking at clouds.

1496
01:15:22,079 --> 01:15:27,760
And also just because you don't understand something doesn't make

1497
01:15:28,079 --> 01:15:31,680
your idea of it true, And it doesn't make the

1498
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,359
fact that if whatever you're observing doesn't make sense to

1499
01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:36,680
you doesn't make it fake either. You get what I'm saying,

1500
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,079
Like just because a lot of these times is they

1501
01:15:39,079 --> 01:15:43,039
don't understand the way you know gravity work. That's the

1502
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:44,760
big one, Like, oh, there's no such thing as gravity.

1503
01:15:45,039 --> 01:15:47,600
I know for a fact that if I fucking jump up,

1504
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:52,439
I get pulled back down. You can call it Cuthulhu's asshole,

1505
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:57,560
you can call it princess peaches, whatever. What is it

1506
01:15:58,119 --> 01:16:01,119
something's pulling me down? You can Gravity is just the

1507
01:16:01,279 --> 01:16:05,399
name for it to density one Jesus here. Yeah, no,

1508
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,399
I mean I've heard dude, I've heard it all like

1509
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:07,920
I have it.

1510
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,279
Speaker 3: It's magnetism, it's magneticism.

1511
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 2: One of my favorite theories is the electric universe theory.

1512
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,000
I like that theory a lot.

1513
01:16:16,199 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 3: It's fun.

1514
01:16:17,079 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 2: But that would make space real, and I think I

1515
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,479
look at space as more of a dimension. The reason

1516
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,600
I say this is because it's used in the occult. Now,

1517
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,439
I don't know if the occult is a real thing

1518
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,800
or not. I'm leaning more towards it being bullshit. And

1519
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:36,520
again being about this ancient espionage because even in the Bible, Dude,

1520
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,319
in the Bible, there was espionage. There was spies, there

1521
01:16:40,359 --> 01:16:43,439
was reconnaissance, man like, there was all that all over

1522
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:43,960
the place.

1523
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,319
Speaker 4: Everybody, every tribe, every nation has had spies for sure.

1524
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 2: Yes. So it's like if you look at it from

1525
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,439
that perspective of like, hey, maybe this is real information

1526
01:16:54,920 --> 01:17:00,319
encoded in you know, the goetic sigils, like maybe that

1527
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,479
was representative of something else. Like the guy who Johann

1528
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,800
Veyer I did an episode on this, the pseudo monarchy.

1529
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,399
He did a grim war on how to control demons? Right,

1530
01:17:10,399 --> 01:17:13,359
it was sixty nine demons, right. This was a living

1531
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:17,239
streets nice right, This was a living student with Henry Quinet.

1532
01:17:17,319 --> 01:17:20,279
This Agrippa, right, one of the greatest occultists and occult

1533
01:17:20,279 --> 01:17:23,199
writers of all time. That literally the foundation of like

1534
01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:26,760
Western occultism was like the three occult books of Henry

1535
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,760
Quinet's Agrippa. Mind you, he was friends with John D.

1536
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,000
Like you know, they were using their works John D,

1537
01:17:34,119 --> 01:17:37,840
Trimetheus and all these guys who again were in intelligence

1538
01:17:38,199 --> 01:17:40,199
at the original Double O seven John.

1539
01:17:40,079 --> 01:17:43,279
Speaker 3: D and magic and astrology.

1540
01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:45,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were, they were doing all this stuff, right,

1541
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:50,159
So Johann Veayer wrote this book on how to control

1542
01:17:50,199 --> 01:17:51,920
these demons and angels and all this stuff, and it's

1543
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:55,960
like it's like a prayer. He wrote the book as

1544
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:00,159
a form of sataire to make fun of the concept, right,

1545
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:06,119
But from his book came the Goatia that has seventy

1546
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:08,600
two demons. But they you know, they mix it up,

1547
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,439
and that's used for real, for real according to some people.

1548
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,359
But if the first version is fake and gay, what

1549
01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:17,920
does that make the second version?

1550
01:18:19,119 --> 01:18:22,319
Speaker 3: Well it's not that simple, though, I understand.

1551
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so there is.

1552
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 3: And I just recently looked this up there it checked

1553
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,960
this word out. Bro. I don't know if this is

1554
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,000
like a new word. I never heard of it before recently,

1555
01:18:32,079 --> 01:18:36,399
but it's a So it's the idea behind hyperstition, like

1556
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,000
you know, superstitious people don't step on a crack or

1557
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,680
you break your mama's back kind of shit. But hyperstition

1558
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:47,359
is essentially the idea of behind like uh mimetic magic, right,

1559
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,039
like using memes for magic and that kind of stuff.

1560
01:18:50,319 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 4: Basically Michel's higlyph kind of magic kind of in a

1561
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:55,520
in a way.

1562
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 3: But basically, if you can get the majority of people

1563
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,239
to believe something, or even if you the individual can

1564
01:19:02,359 --> 01:19:07,199
believe something that you can like manipulate it somehow, like

1565
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:10,560
like you can manipulate your beliefs, you know, like for example,

1566
01:19:11,119 --> 01:19:14,239
I mean, the Hindus believe that they see Krishna in

1567
01:19:14,279 --> 01:19:17,680
their meditation. The Christians believe that they, you know, they're

1568
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,479
talking to Jesus. The Muslims believe that, you know, whatever

1569
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,000
wisdom comes down, it's from the Mighty Mohammad, and so

1570
01:19:24,079 --> 01:19:26,800
on and so on. I mean, are we to say

1571
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,880
that there's only I mean, I know, like the religious

1572
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,039
people out there. I'm not trying to say that anybody's wrong.

1573
01:19:32,079 --> 01:19:34,760
I'm just saying this is the view of it. The

1574
01:19:36,399 --> 01:19:38,319
if how do I want to say this?

1575
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,520
Speaker 2: Basically, if you, if you.

1576
01:19:41,079 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 3: Like believe wholeheartedly into something, your mind does correlate with

1577
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:49,199
it and you'll start to see certain things. So for example,

1578
01:19:49,319 --> 01:19:56,319
I created a tulpa, right, and so, so do you

1579
01:19:56,319 --> 01:19:57,119
know what a tulpa is?

1580
01:19:57,399 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 2: I do?

1581
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so I created a tall but it is

1582
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:06,840
it is a green, translucent alien octopus. And his name

1583
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,680
is Marv. Okay, he's literally the logo for my metamatage.

1584
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 2: I think you've told me about Marvel when we talk

1585
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,039
last it's yeah, in the in the van or whatever.

1586
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the metamistery machine.

1587
01:20:17,239 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 2: Yeah souh. But if you.

1588
01:20:20,039 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 3: Meditate on him, you can see him and sometimes you'll

1589
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:27,319
start getting thoughts that aren't your own? Now is it

1590
01:20:27,359 --> 01:20:29,880
because you don't you don't identify with those thoughts, and

1591
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,640
so you think that they're not your own? Who knows

1592
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,880
what's going on? The majority of magic, it has to

1593
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,560
be believed to work. I know some people will disagree

1594
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:42,199
with that. They think that you need absolute materialistic things

1595
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:45,880
in order to create magic. Whatever. They're to each their own.

1596
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:50,000
But I have definitely practiced magic, and magic works. Like

1597
01:20:50,039 --> 01:20:53,680
I've done money spells absolutely work. I've done like love

1598
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:59,359
spells absolutely work, and like I've created Tulpa's like these

1599
01:20:59,399 --> 01:21:02,680
are these are real things. But what is real other

1600
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,520
than what you can convince yourself that is real And

1601
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,319
that's kind of the magic behind it.

1602
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 4: And see, I'm I'm of a very different belief and

1603
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:11,640
I'm not trying to go on a religious tear here.

1604
01:21:12,199 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: Demons Jonathan, their demons, brother Nephelim, not even going that.

1605
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,319
Speaker 3: Route with it there, Paro cards. Everybody thinks that I'm demonic.

1606
01:21:20,359 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, but no, there was a what was that

1607
01:21:23,039 --> 01:21:27,880
video of this person that believed hardcore believed that they

1608
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,920
could create a protective force field around themselves based off

1609
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:35,640
of their chie right, there's a video of it, and no, no,

1610
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,079
he got fucking tackled like a linebacker smacked him. And

1611
01:21:39,119 --> 01:21:42,479
that's my point. This person believed it is. Yes, Jonathan,

1612
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:44,279
thank you for answering the whole point of that.

1613
01:21:44,359 --> 01:21:46,399
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm agreeing with you that that what they

1614
01:21:46,399 --> 01:21:48,600
were trying to do is absolutely ridiculous.

1615
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,520
Speaker 4: And I've also seen people that believe that they are

1616
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,279
impervious and like they if they if they concentrate their

1617
01:21:53,399 --> 01:21:55,600
energy and they believe in their mind that they, like

1618
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,680
you said, create their own reality, and your mind would

1619
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,600
fill in the gaps to make it real, because what

1620
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,920
is real that's subjective. If that person believing this was

1621
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,439
to take in a breath of chlorine gas, they would

1622
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,399
find the object reality that they're gonna fucking die regardless

1623
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,119
of what they believe. So while I understand that the

1624
01:22:12,119 --> 01:22:14,800
mind is a very powerful tool, a one hundred percent, and

1625
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,560
it does fill in a lot of the blanks, and

1626
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,479
you can delude yourself and or create your own reality.

1627
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:22,159
I feel like some of those are the same thing.

1628
01:22:22,159 --> 01:22:24,319
And I'm not saying that to demean it. I'm saying

1629
01:22:24,319 --> 01:22:27,600
that you can, in fact train your mind to do

1630
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,760
and respond to certain things the way you want it

1631
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:30,960
to respond, one hundred percent.

1632
01:22:31,399 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 3: The skullfuck is proof of that, right, one hundred percent.

1633
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 4: But then I also believe in the realm of abject truth,

1634
01:22:38,119 --> 01:22:41,079
and that's just you know, that's why me and Jonathan

1635
01:22:41,159 --> 01:22:43,680
balance each other out in this way. He's very much

1636
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,399
into an entirely. I don't even think he and I

1637
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,640
live in the same reality, Like, truly, we do not

1638
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,279
live on the same maybe the same planet, not the

1639
01:22:52,319 --> 01:22:54,840
same world by any fucking stretch of the imagination.

1640
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,199
Speaker 3: Completely different. Yeah, which I do love that aspect though,

1641
01:22:59,239 --> 01:23:02,560
because I feel like you sometimes keep me grounded and

1642
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:04,880
I sometimes get your feet off the ground.

1643
01:23:05,079 --> 01:23:08,199
Speaker 2: So it's a beautiful balance. Indeed, John can's deep in it.

1644
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:10,760
I mean John, he's on occultist bro. I don't even

1645
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,920
know that he was like doing all this other stuff

1646
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,920
like he's he's doing the do.

1647
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, dude, I've done sex magic. Sex magic

1648
01:23:18,039 --> 01:23:21,880
works like I can fucking hypnotize people, which I know,

1649
01:23:22,119 --> 01:23:24,880
like the there's there's like a lot of fluff and

1650
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,640
stars around the word hypnotize. I'm just putting you into

1651
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,159
a fucking meditative trance, is really all I'm doing. And

1652
01:23:30,279 --> 01:23:33,760
everybody experiences that at moments before you fall asleep. You

1653
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,800
go into a data state, That's all I'm trying to

1654
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,359
get you to. But within that data state, you start

1655
01:23:39,399 --> 01:23:43,520
actually seeing like I mean pictures and images and video

1656
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,479
when you you almost like you believe that you're there,

1657
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,199
I mean, whether it is a past life or not,

1658
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,760
that's to me, that's beyond the point of even like

1659
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,800
past life regressions. The point is always like what was

1660
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:58,520
the moral of the story and what did you learn?

1661
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,920
And how could you take that information and apply it

1662
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:02,399
to your life so that you don't have to go

1663
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,359
through those same those same problems that you know, the

1664
01:24:05,399 --> 01:24:07,439
old you did so to say.

1665
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 4: And I mean me, even with my beliefs, Jonathan put

1666
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,640
me through a pass life regression, and I still am

1667
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:15,560
very uncertain as to what that was.

1668
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 3: Was that my brain kind of going into a dream.

1669
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:18,640
Speaker 2: They talk about it.

1670
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 4: Sure, sure it was a Muslim so all right, so

1671
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,279
all right, for the record, if you couldn't tell by

1672
01:24:24,279 --> 01:24:26,680
my setup and buy the armor and ship. I'm into

1673
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,920
night fighting. I'm into boo hurt fighting, right, So like

1674
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:30,760
in m A with swords and shields and axes.

1675
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're hitting dudes with with swords and stuff.

1676
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is my long story as matter of fact.

1677
01:24:36,039 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 2: But it's pretty that's pretty sick. You know what I've

1678
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,000
been wanting to do. I've been wanting to do the

1679
01:24:40,079 --> 01:24:42,199
Lightsaber League here in Orlando.

1680
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 3: Those are cool.

1681
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,359
Speaker 4: Those are cool, but this is more like this is

1682
01:24:45,359 --> 01:24:48,159
full contact. We get a lot of broken bones and confessions.

1683
01:24:49,039 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 3: But like, besides the point, anybody with it, but it's yeah,

1684
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:52,520
they're dull in force.

1685
01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 4: But my point is though, I'm into medieval history anyway,

1686
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,159
and I actually I currently hold a noble title, which

1687
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:01,920
is a whole separate conversation for another day. But yeah,

1688
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,279
wild shit, I got a lot of wild.

1689
01:25:04,079 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 3: Things with me.

1690
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 4: Bro I'm sorry, your highness, No, now, fuck all that.

1691
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,960
Fuck all that, it's nothing to I didn't say a

1692
01:25:10,039 --> 01:25:10,720
royal title.

1693
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 3: I said noble. It's different.

1694
01:25:12,319 --> 01:25:15,239
Speaker 4: But to the point, I'm into medieval shit, right, So

1695
01:25:15,279 --> 01:25:18,479
whenever Jonathan sent me through the past life regression, it

1696
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,000
doesn't sound crazy that I would have ended up in

1697
01:25:21,039 --> 01:25:23,960
one of the crusades, right, But at the same time,

1698
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:26,359
was that my brain just doing what my brain does

1699
01:25:26,399 --> 01:25:28,159
when you unleash it and just let it walk around

1700
01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:31,840
for a bit, or was I actually experiencing a past life?

1701
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,039
And I'm very uncertain about this to be honest with you,

1702
01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:36,319
but for to answer your question about what the past

1703
01:25:36,359 --> 01:25:40,680
life was, right, So I essentially was. I don't even

1704
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,680
know if I was necessarily a Muslim, but it more

1705
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,079
than likely was. I was living in some sort of

1706
01:25:46,119 --> 01:25:48,439
an Arab country. Couldn't tell you which one because it

1707
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,119
doesn't I didn't like have a map that I was

1708
01:25:50,119 --> 01:25:51,800
looking at, and I couldn't tell you a day and

1709
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,680
age that I was in specifically. But I do know

1710
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:56,880
that I was at least a guy of Arabic descent,

1711
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,640
and I did fight in at least some sort of

1712
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,159
a battle, which, based off of the armor and the

1713
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:05,760
weapons that I was using, I would say was sometime

1714
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,720
around the first possibly second Crusade, but I'm leaning more

1715
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:13,720
towards the first, and this guy my person was apparently

1716
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,279
fighting with the Europeans. So that's why I'm not one

1717
01:26:16,359 --> 01:26:18,960
hundred percent sure what is religious beliefs were, whatever the case, was,

1718
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:24,079
but I was a traveler. I didn't actually have a

1719
01:26:24,199 --> 01:26:26,960
home to call for myself. I kind of roam from

1720
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,760
place to place. There was a spot where I stopped

1721
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,039
in at a village and they were farmers, goat farmers

1722
01:26:33,039 --> 01:26:34,920
were not mistaking or sheep something along like that.

1723
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,159
Speaker 3: And I was very well received.

1724
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,039
Speaker 4: By the people in that village, although, like you know,

1725
01:26:41,079 --> 01:26:42,920
it wasn't like I was coming home by any means.

1726
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:44,760
It was more like I was on a travel, a

1727
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,800
travel to somewhere, and I was stopping in to say

1728
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,239
hey to some old friends kind of thing.

1729
01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 3: The old lady that was cooking for.

1730
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:55,159
Speaker 4: Everybody, her name was was it Oma or Orla something

1731
01:26:55,239 --> 01:26:55,680
like that.

1732
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:56,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1733
01:26:56,359 --> 01:26:59,359
Speaker 4: And then when the time came and I finally died,

1734
01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:03,479
I was alone, and I gave whatever money was left

1735
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:06,960
in my pocket to this girl, this woman, young lady

1736
01:27:07,359 --> 01:27:11,479
to kind of tend to me until I passed out away,

1737
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,319
and she was gonna take whatever I had left.

1738
01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 3: And I was like very at peace with that.

1739
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,159
Speaker 4: I didn't have kids, I didn't have a wife, I

1740
01:27:17,159 --> 01:27:19,159
didn't have land or titles or any of these things.

1741
01:27:19,159 --> 01:27:21,159
Speaker 3: But I was also at peace with that at the

1742
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:23,600
time of my death, And say it was.

1743
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 4: It was a very interesting experience. Now, with that being said,

1744
01:27:27,319 --> 01:27:31,640
was that one a past life that this soul has

1745
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,279
experienced circa a millennia ago?

1746
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a that's a conversation.

1747
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:41,199
Speaker 4: Is it equally possible that, because I'm into medieval shit anyway,

1748
01:27:41,239 --> 01:27:43,720
that this is what would happen when my brain goes

1749
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,840
into a dream state and gets let off the leash

1750
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,279
and just walks around and creates the reality before it.

1751
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:50,560
Speaker 3: Okay, that's also a conversation to have.

1752
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 4: I do want to do it again another past life progression,

1753
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,560
to see if something completely out of left field comes

1754
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,960
out or not, Because I mean, you hear these stories

1755
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:00,880
of people that like, oh yeah, I was totally Joan

1756
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,239
of Arc in a past life. Oh I was Julius Caesar.

1757
01:28:03,279 --> 01:28:06,279
And I'm like, I'm sorry, y'all, every single person on

1758
01:28:06,319 --> 01:28:08,520
earth was not some person of.

1759
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 3: Note from a past life.

1760
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,359
Speaker 4: It's very possible you were a Chinese farm girl that

1761
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,920
died of typhoid fever or something, you know what I mean. Like,

1762
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,159
it's not every one of these are glorious, but like

1763
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,199
this wasn't. I wasn't some lord, you know what I mean,

1764
01:28:21,239 --> 01:28:23,319
who like I could look up in history and all this.

1765
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,079
Speaker 3: I had a pretty.

1766
01:28:25,119 --> 01:28:28,279
Speaker 4: Quote unquote normal ish life for the day and age

1767
01:28:28,319 --> 01:28:29,840
that I went back to, so it was interesting.

1768
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 3: But I will say that, you know, I've done probably

1769
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,600
close to two hundred and fifty past life regressions like

1770
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:41,560
get administered them, and nobody, nobody that I can remember,

1771
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,359
was ever anybody that you would know, like most of

1772
01:28:45,399 --> 01:28:48,000
the time, it's you know what Dolores can and this

1773
01:28:48,039 --> 01:28:49,840
is who I really learned it all from, or you

1774
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,800
know her work. She would call them like normal like

1775
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,159
digging potatoes lives and you could have just been a

1776
01:28:55,159 --> 01:28:58,159
fucking potato farmer and every day is just about the

1777
01:28:58,159 --> 01:29:01,000
same as the next. And but then you'll get some

1778
01:29:01,119 --> 01:29:05,399
weird ones where you're like some kind of watcher, or

1779
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,199
you're some kind of energy or maybe you are some

1780
01:29:08,319 --> 01:29:11,680
kind of different being on another world or something like that.

1781
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,760
As a matter of fact, just last night I hypnotized

1782
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,600
somebody for the show and and she was a fucking

1783
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,359
fractal being. So try and you know, come up with

1784
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:24,119
questions for that. It was pretty difficult. But I mean,

1785
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,760
crazy shit can go on in here, and you are

1786
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,319
unleashing the mind, and that's the thing, you know, whenever

1787
01:29:30,359 --> 01:29:33,000
you allow yourself to get to that data state of

1788
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:37,520
you know, it's it's basically like, all right, here's an example.

1789
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,960
Whenever you go to sleep at night, have you ever

1790
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:46,279
started dreaming before you fell asleep on Yes, it's that.

1791
01:29:46,279 --> 01:29:49,239
That's where we're trying to go, and so you can

1792
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,640
experience wild shit in your dreams. I think about that

1793
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,000
all the time, like, and this is why it's important

1794
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,840
to you know, go to sleep with like positive u

1795
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:02,399
positive things on your minds, because if you go to

1796
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:05,399
sleep all angry or depressed or anxious or anything like that,

1797
01:30:05,399 --> 01:30:07,840
that's pretty much like how a lot of nightmares happened.

1798
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:11,479
So you want to make sure you're going to sleep happy,

1799
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:15,760
you know. But the idea that he was able to

1800
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,439
go and experience that past life, that specific past life,

1801
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,319
you know, with his interest in real life in regards

1802
01:30:23,319 --> 01:30:26,800
to the night fighting and shit, this is where it

1803
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,840
starts to get a little weird because it's not necessarily

1804
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,039
chicken or the egg. It's more like chicken or the

1805
01:30:33,079 --> 01:30:35,880
egg or the egg or the chicken at that point.

1806
01:30:36,039 --> 01:30:37,800
So let me just take you down this rabbit hole.

1807
01:30:39,079 --> 01:30:42,279
The re all right, so let's assume let's play a

1808
01:30:42,279 --> 01:30:46,600
little game here. Is it possible that because he had

1809
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,920
the past life where he was a night is the

1810
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:53,720
reason why he loves all the night shit in this reality. Yes,

1811
01:30:54,359 --> 01:30:57,279
you could say that. I mean, just as simply like

1812
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:00,439
we don't know exactly what came first chicken or the

1813
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,560
egg or you know that kind of thing, like we

1814
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,319
all have very specific interests.

1815
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:07,319
Speaker 2: Well, did you identify with it for like someary, because

1816
01:31:07,319 --> 01:31:11,079
it's like in your genetics in some sort of way, right, yeah.

1817
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I mean I love football, I love like

1818
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,960
all of the metaphysical kind of shit. Well, I mean,

1819
01:31:17,399 --> 01:31:21,319
could you say then that maybe that's a version, Uh,

1820
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,159
maybe I lived a version of my life that I

1821
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:27,479
was into those things before you could easily say that.

1822
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:31,079
So you know, I do get the aspect of Jacob thinking, well,

1823
01:31:31,239 --> 01:31:33,239
I only had that past life because night fighting was

1824
01:31:33,239 --> 01:31:34,840
like kind of on my mind and that's what I'm

1825
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,199
obsessed with anyway. But you got to look at it

1826
01:31:37,199 --> 01:31:39,359
the other way too. It's not just so sitting stone

1827
01:31:39,399 --> 01:31:39,600
like that.

1828
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 4: And that's why I'm saying I'm unclear honestly, even with

1829
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,680
my logic brain and even with all like I'm I

1830
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:46,760
honestly says.

1831
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 2: A lot, though, Jacob, because you seem like a pretty

1832
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:53,439
skeptical guy, healthy skepticism, and for you to say that

1833
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:57,439
says a lot as to like what you experience was

1834
01:31:58,119 --> 01:32:00,000
quote unquote real. You know it was.

1835
01:32:00,079 --> 01:32:03,399
Speaker 4: Crazy, bro, the sounds, the smells, the taste of the food,

1836
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,680
as long as you wanted to. I think our last

1837
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:08,960
ours lasted for like two and a half maybe.

1838
01:32:09,399 --> 01:32:12,600
Speaker 3: Two and a half hours, yeah, a half hours. Everybody's

1839
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,640
different too. And you know what's really crazy about it

1840
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,479
is that you don't know how long you're in there,

1841
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,880
just the same as like, you know, you could have

1842
01:32:20,039 --> 01:32:23,279
a whole life happen in a dream that you're taking

1843
01:32:23,279 --> 01:32:25,560
a nap on your couch for fifteen minutes. It's the

1844
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:29,199
same thing in this realm to where you know you'll

1845
01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:31,399
you'll go through the entire life. I take you through

1846
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:33,560
the death process. You get to see what it's like,

1847
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,319
you know, the moment that you die, Like are you

1848
01:32:36,399 --> 01:32:38,000
able to look down at your body? Where do you

1849
01:32:38,039 --> 01:32:40,239
go whenever you die? Are you met by any kind

1850
01:32:40,319 --> 01:32:43,079
of entities or beings whenever you die? And then I

1851
01:32:43,239 --> 01:32:45,840
you know, uh uh like get to ask the higher

1852
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:49,600
self certain questions, which is pretty crazy. I think that's

1853
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,199
going on there. But there's a lot of wild shit

1854
01:32:52,319 --> 01:32:55,279
that goes on in these but it is, it is

1855
01:32:55,359 --> 01:32:58,359
so fascinating trying to figure out where all of this

1856
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:02,880
information is coming from, you know, like what I was

1857
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,000
talking about earlier as far as like the questions at

1858
01:33:06,039 --> 01:33:07,840
the end. So what I do is that I take

1859
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,920
you to take you through a past life, take you

1860
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,560
through the death process, and then what happens is is

1861
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,399
that I'm talking to your subconscious mind or your higher self.

1862
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Speaker 2: How do you know someone's not bullshitting you, though, Johnathan, Like,

1863
01:33:18,119 --> 01:33:19,680
how do you know they're just making stuff up?

1864
01:33:20,039 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 3: Because it's not for me, it's for them. And so

1865
01:33:22,039 --> 01:33:24,560
if they're bullshitting, they're just bullshitting themselves. I don't really

1866
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,119
care if they're lying personally, Like that's that's it's not

1867
01:33:28,279 --> 01:33:31,560
for me. So he've been doing this two hundred and

1868
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:32,159
fifty times.

1869
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 4: If somebody's just coming up with random shit off the wall,

1870
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:37,039
and like, okay, he's still going through the meditations and

1871
01:33:37,079 --> 01:33:38,600
he's still you know, asking the question.

1872
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:40,359
Speaker 2: This is so crazy, bro, I kind of want to

1873
01:33:40,399 --> 01:33:41,359
do it, but I'm scared.

1874
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:43,079
Speaker 3: Oh no, don't be scared, brother.

1875
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 4: Nothing about this is nothing about this is scary. You've

1876
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:50,159
have you ever done like a guided meditation? No, I've

1877
01:33:50,199 --> 01:33:53,159
never done any Okay, long story short. He would have

1878
01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:55,199
you close your eyes, he would ask you a picture,

1879
01:33:55,239 --> 01:33:58,439
some stuff. He would kind of before you know it,

1880
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,399
you follow and just kind of do what he's telling

1881
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:02,319
you to do. Thinking wise, your eyes are closed, you're

1882
01:34:02,359 --> 01:34:02,840
laying down.

1883
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:06,039
Speaker 3: You're comfortable, and your body's asleep. Yeah, your body.

1884
01:34:06,079 --> 01:34:07,600
Speaker 4: And for the record, it's not like you feel like

1885
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,199
you've left your body. You're very present, like you're you're cool.

1886
01:34:10,279 --> 01:34:11,960
If something was to come up and slap you, like

1887
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,560
you would you would respond accordingly. Like it's not like

1888
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:18,520
you're in a uh, you know, you're transcending these things.

1889
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 3: You're very aware of what's.

1890
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 4: Up, but you're more or less just describing what you're

1891
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:26,119
seeing and explaining the situation. And he's not trying to

1892
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:28,600
tell you you know what you're seeing.

1893
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:30,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's asking you what you're seeing.

1894
01:34:30,319 --> 01:34:33,359
Speaker 4: You're just answering with what you're hearing, where you are, like,

1895
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:34,319
what's around.

1896
01:34:34,079 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 3: You, this type of shit, whatever it is that you're experiencing.

1897
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:39,640
I'm just asking questions. And the worst thing that you

1898
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:43,319
know a past live progression practitioner can do is lead

1899
01:34:43,399 --> 01:34:48,479
you and just certain things. That's that's like, now I'm

1900
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,359
trying to create your story. That's not what I'm trying

1901
01:34:51,359 --> 01:34:53,439
to do. I'm just asking questions, trying to get as

1902
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:56,039
many details as possible. Are you a man? Are you

1903
01:34:56,119 --> 01:34:59,319
a woman? What color are the clothes that you're wearing?

1904
01:34:59,319 --> 01:35:01,600
Are you wearing shoes? You know? What do you see

1905
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,520
around you? Who are the people you're communicating with? What

1906
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,439
are the what are the scenes of what's happening in

1907
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:10,119
that particular moment. I can take you and move you

1908
01:35:10,199 --> 01:35:14,600
to an important day. It's do a lot of stuff

1909
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,079
happens within those It is freaking fascinating. But what I

1910
01:35:17,119 --> 01:35:21,479
was going back to to saying is is that ninety

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01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:24,079
nine percent of people that have a past life regression,

1912
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,439
I ask them. I say, all right, before you look

1913
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:28,520
at the clock, how long do you think that lasted?

1914
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,960
And almost everybody guesses that it's under an hour. Thirty

1915
01:35:33,039 --> 01:35:36,920
forty minutes is like the usual answer. And then I'm like,

1916
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:38,600
all right, you think it's thirty four minutes, look up

1917
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:41,840
at the clock, and it's always an hour has gone by,

1918
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,239
two hours have gone by, three hours have gone by.

1919
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:49,239
Because it's it's the it's the mind. You know, the mind.

1920
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,039
It's like it doesn't care so much about time, like

1921
01:35:52,199 --> 01:35:54,920
time is only for this physical reality.

1922
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:59,520
Speaker 2: So I don't know, it's cool. So when you say that, right,

1923
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:03,880
the mind is going crazy? You said, releasing the mind

1924
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:08,119
right and letting it do what it does? Is the

1925
01:36:08,199 --> 01:36:10,920
mind the same thing as consciousness? Like can we say

1926
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,000
that is that a thing is mine and consciousness the same?

1927
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 3: Not necessarily, not necessarily, So I would say that they're

1928
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:24,000
you know, their neighbors for sure. But like, whenever you

1929
01:36:24,039 --> 01:36:27,439
go and meditate, you know, the goal is is to

1930
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:32,279
uh not give any of your emotion or any of

1931
01:36:32,279 --> 01:36:35,600
your attention to your thoughts. Your mind is generating those

1932
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,720
thoughts and it's up to you whether you latch onto

1933
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,880
them or if you don't. And so the idea is

1934
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:42,840
is that I always try and come up with like

1935
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,800
whenever I'm trying to go go into a meditation, I

1936
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,560
imagine that I'm like this old dude sitting on a

1937
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,359
porch in my rock and chair, and I'm just watching

1938
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:54,359
traffic go by. But each car that goes by is

1939
01:36:54,399 --> 01:36:56,520
an individual thought, and I can choose to look at

1940
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,079
that car and I can choose to observe that car

1941
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:02,159
and observe that but I but if I'm trying to

1942
01:37:02,199 --> 01:37:04,039
get to the meditative state, I know that I just

1943
01:37:04,039 --> 01:37:06,119
got to let that car go. You know, maybe take

1944
01:37:06,119 --> 01:37:08,520
a little look whatever. Maybe it's a cool car. But

1945
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:10,960
for the most part, you're trying to let all thoughts

1946
01:37:11,079 --> 01:37:14,479
go because that is the monkey mind, like that is

1947
01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:18,279
that's the that's the thing that thinks that it knows everything,

1948
01:37:18,319 --> 01:37:20,680
and so you're trying to detach from that. And Dolores

1949
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:22,880
Cannon and a lot of other people who are into

1950
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:25,680
this hypnosis, they'll say that you have a left brain

1951
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:28,079
and a right and a right brain, and that left

1952
01:37:28,119 --> 01:37:31,760
brain is more your your calculated type of brain, where

1953
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:35,760
you're where you know whatever you need. That that helps

1954
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:38,479
keep you logical is your left brain. Right it's your

1955
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:41,439
analytical brain. Where your right brain. And this is why

1956
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:44,399
most women, dude, women are so much easier to hypnotize

1957
01:37:44,399 --> 01:37:46,680
than men. It's not even funny, but the reason is,

1958
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:48,840
and the reason why men and women don't get along

1959
01:37:49,239 --> 01:37:52,920
oftentimes is because women are more right brain. Men are

1960
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,359
more left brain. We're more analytical, we're more logical, where

1961
01:37:56,399 --> 01:37:59,439
they're more emotion driven. And so I'm trying to get

1962
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:02,880
you to that emotional driven state to where you're not

1963
01:38:03,079 --> 01:38:06,920
necessarily worried. Oh well, I'm just thinking about this. It's

1964
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,439
not logical. Then I'm actually seeing this. I'm trying to

1965
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:13,199
cancel that part out of you. So it is the mind,

1966
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:14,760
but it's a peace of the mind. It's not the

1967
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:15,239
whole mind.

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Speaker 2: No, Because the way the reason I say this is

1969
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:22,199
because you know, if consciousness is this interdimensional thing, right

1970
01:38:22,239 --> 01:38:25,840
that's able to just go throughout time, ignore the boundaries

1971
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:30,239
of everything, and then attach itself to you know, the

1972
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:34,560
crusade Jacob, you know, and do whatever it does, and

1973
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,760
then you're able to bring it back like that. That

1974
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:39,760
makes sense to me. I got an eat. I think

1975
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,399
it was an email one time or something or other

1976
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:45,640
from some lady or I think I might've been a DM. Anyways,

1977
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:50,680
she said that I was a No, it was an astrologer.

1978
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,840
She did a reading for me, like an in depth reading,

1979
01:38:54,199 --> 01:38:56,239
and she said that in a past life I could

1980
01:38:56,279 --> 01:38:59,560
have been an alchemist. And again, I'm into the occult

1981
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:01,600
and I'm into all this other stuff in my signs

1982
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:05,760
lined up with something about like fire and shit and

1983
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,920
all this other stuff. So like that that would probably

1984
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,960
be interesting. But like the fact that this is a

1985
01:39:12,079 --> 01:39:16,640
like a thing, bro, that you're able to and a

1986
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:20,439
part of me. The logical side is anyone can make

1987
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:22,359
up a good story. You know, we were mentioned earlier,

1988
01:39:22,399 --> 01:39:26,600
like it's all about good storytelling. The mind can make anything.

1989
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:28,600
Like when you're in a float tank. Right, when you're

1990
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:33,520
in a sensory deprivation tank, which I've done that, your

1991
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:38,039
mind goes wild. Oh yeah, right, You're like in this

1992
01:39:38,199 --> 01:39:41,439
endless void. You're just floating there and you start to

1993
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:45,840
detach yourself from like your body, like you're just a

1994
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:49,439
floating head essentially. And I've been I've been into like

1995
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:52,199
deep space, I've been at the bottom of the ocean.

1996
01:39:52,319 --> 01:39:55,600
I've been through gally like, I've been through all those

1997
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:58,279
places in that And how you said, Dude, as soon

1998
01:39:58,279 --> 01:40:00,520
as you know, you book a three hour float session

1999
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:03,640
and then all of a sudden you see the tank

2000
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:06,840
line up and the insights over, Bro, what.

2001
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 3: Like I always wanted to do that.

2002
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 2: I was only in there for five minutes. What are

2003
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:17,680
you talking about, It's already over. So again, I find

2004
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:19,640
it super fascinating. But the fact that people are able

2005
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:23,039
to bullshit stuff. And what I always what I've always

2006
01:40:23,079 --> 01:40:27,840
found so amazing is people who can create entire universes

2007
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:29,600
like you know, the Game of Thrones universe, of Star

2008
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:32,960
Wars universe of Star Treking. There are people in our reality,

2009
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:36,239
in our time who can create other alternate reality with

2010
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:39,479
straight up lure. Look at the guy from Lord of

2011
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:43,279
the Rings making an entire language, right told, making an

2012
01:40:43,399 --> 01:40:45,960
entire language. So the fact that people can do that,

2013
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,800
that's why I'm asking, like how you're saying if they're

2014
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,279
doing it for themselves, So if they are bullshitting you,

2015
01:40:51,399 --> 01:40:54,479
it doesn't matter to you. But for you know, the

2016
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,359
something that people always go public with, either a bigfoot

2017
01:40:57,399 --> 01:41:00,960
sighting or an alien abduction or like a UFO siding,

2018
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:05,960
people can make that shit out. I've seen fifty UFOs guys.

2019
01:41:06,319 --> 01:41:09,640
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of things that you would admit

2020
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:15,000
are absolutely real that you absolutely cannot prove. So for example,

2021
01:41:15,039 --> 01:41:17,920
and I'll give you an example, is like if you

2022
01:41:18,079 --> 01:41:20,960
just told me a dream, I could choose to accept

2023
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:23,840
that you're actually telling me, you know what actually happened

2024
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:25,279
in that dream. There's no way of me knowing that,

2025
01:41:25,319 --> 01:41:28,439
but you experienced that. So and the same thing of

2026
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:32,760
like like if you got kids, right, Like, you can

2027
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,119
say I love my kids, Well, how do you prove that?

2028
01:41:35,239 --> 01:41:37,039
I mean you can prove it through actions and prove

2029
01:41:37,079 --> 01:41:38,960
it through always being there, but how do you prove

2030
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:42,840
that you emotionally feel love? Like, how do you prove

2031
01:41:43,239 --> 01:41:45,199
that Wi fi is all around us? It's like you

2032
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:48,479
can't see it, Like a lot of this shit is uh,

2033
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:52,479
it is illogical, you know, but that doesn't mean that

2034
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:52,880
it's fake.

2035
01:41:54,319 --> 01:41:56,119
Speaker 2: You bring yeah, you bring up a good point, like

2036
01:41:56,159 --> 01:41:58,319
the wind is there. You can feel it, but you

2037
01:41:58,359 --> 01:42:01,520
can't see it. I mean, that's that's something that right

2038
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:03,359
that we can all agree on and you.

2039
01:42:03,319 --> 01:42:05,279
Speaker 3: Can see it if it's up against something else.

2040
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:11,079
Speaker 2: And the the one there's a quote I think is

2041
01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:15,520
reality is we're all we're all constantly hallucinating, but reality

2042
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:20,600
is whatever whenever we all can collectively agree on the

2043
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:24,920
hallucination reality and we look it up here.

2044
01:42:25,319 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 3: Subjective reality at that point.

2045
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, so reality is the world as it is. Well,

2046
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:34,880
Annale Seth, this is the guy. So reality is a

2047
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:39,479
controlled hallucination, is what he said, and he has another

2048
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:42,359
quotes longer than that, or he's like, you.

2049
01:42:42,319 --> 01:42:46,319
Speaker 3: Know, crazy that that is that would determine reality because

2050
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:51,439
they have done like like group trips, where you know,

2051
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:53,840
a group of people will get on some kind of

2052
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:58,279
psychedelic and they're all collectively experiencing the same thing. So

2053
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:02,159
does that prove that they were in a different reality?

2054
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:05,640
If everybody is experiencing the same thing within their own mind,

2055
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:09,479
what's that then? But that's also extremely hard to accomplish.

2056
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,239
Speaker 2: It does happen, It does happen.

2057
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 4: That this is I'm not saying like, oh, well, you know, no, no, no, no,

2058
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:16,520
it is a real thing that has happened.

2059
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,159
Speaker 3: But I don't even know what the success rate for

2060
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:19,600
that is.

2061
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 4: I mean, they have groups that do ayahuasca retreats, right

2062
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:26,199
every weekend they have another group goes out, and it

2063
01:43:26,279 --> 01:43:30,439
is rare, rare as fuck that even more than one

2064
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,239
person experienced the same thing like that.

2065
01:43:32,319 --> 01:43:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it does happen. Yeah, I mean I've never

2066
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:39,119
experienced it, but I believe that it does happen. And

2067
01:43:39,239 --> 01:43:42,680
it's like, those stories are what really get me, dude.

2068
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:46,319
Whenever it's like, you know, we we think that the

2069
01:43:46,359 --> 01:43:49,399
reality that they're explaining is a subjective reality. But if

2070
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:53,279
multiple people are reporting talking to the same being, and oh, yeah,

2071
01:43:53,319 --> 01:43:56,680
you remember what whenever I told you, you know, go

2072
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:58,880
fuck yourself whenever we were over there, that was funny.

2073
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:01,079
And the other person be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

2074
01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:04,600
fuck you too or whatever. But they're basically like, how

2075
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:07,800
could they have known? Like some people there was a

2076
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:09,439
podcast and I can't remember his name, but he was

2077
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,640
recently on the Joe Rogan Show less than a month ago,

2078
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:16,239
and he was going into the idea of like remote

2079
01:44:16,319 --> 01:44:19,800
viewing and shit like that. But basically they were trying

2080
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:23,159
to It was him and somebody else that was working

2081
01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:26,399
as a contractor for the government or something like that.

2082
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:30,399
But they put themselves in two separate rooms and they

2083
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:32,640
went to try and meditate. It wasn't even a trip.

2084
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:37,119
It was just a meditation, and they knew where to go,

2085
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:40,960
and they were like, I don't remember exactly where it was.

2086
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:42,520
It could have been a fucking base on the moon

2087
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:46,079
for all I know, or somewhere in some desolate region.

2088
01:44:46,359 --> 01:44:48,920
There's no way that you would be able to have

2089
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:53,399
a full long conversation, see the same exact things, remember everything,

2090
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:56,560
and then bring it back before those two ever even

2091
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:59,520
get the opportunity to see each other. So what they're

2092
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:01,680
doing is they'll put him in two separate rooms, they'll

2093
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:05,279
record what they saw, and then after they record, they

2094
01:45:05,359 --> 01:45:08,239
reconvene and say, this is what I saw, What did

2095
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:11,079
you say? Or what did you see? And that is

2096
01:45:11,079 --> 01:45:14,279
how they're able to like essentially prove that, you know,

2097
01:45:14,319 --> 01:45:17,119
people aren't bullshitting in line because they were separate, like

2098
01:45:17,199 --> 01:45:20,399
it was a controlled environment at that point. So I

2099
01:45:20,399 --> 01:45:21,800
don't know what to do with that. I would love

2100
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,399
to experience that one day. That would be really awesome.

2101
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:27,039
But I mean, it is a real thing, dude. I

2102
01:45:27,039 --> 01:45:29,079
think it's just a practice thing though.

2103
01:45:29,319 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 2: So and Nil sas said, we're all hallucinating all the time.

2104
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,079
When we agree about our hallucination, we call it reality.

2105
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:39,319
And I've heard stories like how what you guys are

2106
01:45:39,319 --> 01:45:41,079
talking about. I had a friend of mine who did

2107
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:45,680
an ayahuasca retreat and somewhere in South America or I

2108
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:47,920
don't remember where. And I'm going to take this as

2109
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:50,079
one does as one does, and I'm going to take

2110
01:45:50,079 --> 01:45:51,760
his word for what he told me. But he said

2111
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:54,600
that when they were when they would be in the

2112
01:45:54,640 --> 01:46:00,520
group after there was a girl that mentioned something about

2113
01:46:01,239 --> 01:46:03,439
like pretty much she was alluding that she was gonna

2114
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:07,439
be abducted right by these entities, and she described them,

2115
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,479
and there was another person in the group that was like, man,

2116
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:12,920
I hated those things. They kept trying to get me.

2117
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:15,840
They kept trying to take me as well. And the

2118
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:19,399
other one of the girls had experienced being taken by

2119
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:21,920
what again she had described, and then the other person

2120
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:23,840
had to kind of agree like I saw them and

2121
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:25,520
they were trying to get they didn't get to her.

2122
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:29,319
But again this sort of shared hallucination is that like, again,

2123
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:33,800
the do these substances because I was bro look at

2124
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:40,199
this Rogan shirt, like I was obsessed with psychedelics when

2125
01:46:40,199 --> 01:46:42,560
I first started like podcasting, because it's one of those

2126
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:47,079
things that it's so amazing how you can hypnotize people

2127
01:46:47,119 --> 01:46:49,920
and take them through these past life progressions. So amazing

2128
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,359
that you can take this thing that grows from the

2129
01:46:53,399 --> 01:46:56,279
ground or even write DMT that is something that you

2130
01:46:56,279 --> 01:47:00,359
could prepare yourself with like regular household items and things, right,

2131
01:47:01,279 --> 01:47:04,640
and you take that and you blast off into this

2132
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:08,079
other thing or what you're perceiving as is another place.

2133
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,079
Like that concept to me led me to grow my

2134
01:47:12,119 --> 01:47:15,439
own psilocybin, like study mycology and do all this other

2135
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:19,439
stuff and then when I finally took it, I saw demons.

2136
01:47:20,079 --> 01:47:23,760
It was the craziest thing. And I took it at

2137
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:27,000
the peak of twenty twenty. And it's funny because I

2138
01:47:27,079 --> 01:47:30,319
put I was trying to find I had the so

2139
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:33,960
my keyboard, I had seven fingers, by the way, like

2140
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:37,319
when I was like tripping my balls off. I first

2141
01:47:37,319 --> 01:47:40,119
I started, I was playing World of Warcraft as it

2142
01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:42,000
was coming up. I ate like I ate a peanut

2143
01:47:42,039 --> 01:47:45,800
butter sandwich with honey and the dried mushrooms in it.

2144
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:49,880
And I was playing World of Warcraft with my friends.

2145
01:47:50,039 --> 01:47:53,520
We were like on Discord or something, and when it

2146
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:56,680
started to kick in, like the visualsal like crazy, and

2147
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:59,079
I couldn't stop laughing. Like I got to the point

2148
01:47:59,079 --> 01:48:00,560
I was like I was gonna throw up from like

2149
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:03,600
laughing so hard. And my friends already knew I had

2150
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:05,439
kicked in. They're like, this dude's laughing his ass, and

2151
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:09,000
I'm like, bro, I'm having a great time until I wasn't.

2152
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:11,840
And the visuals just got way too like you know,

2153
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:14,079
World of Warcift. We're running like dungeons and there's like

2154
01:48:14,159 --> 01:48:16,159
flame beings and I'm like I can't, like I can't,

2155
01:48:16,199 --> 01:48:18,880
so I got off, and I was trying to find

2156
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:21,960
At one point, when I logged off a World of Warcraft,

2157
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:26,199
I looked down. I kept seeing six fingers, not seven

2158
01:48:26,279 --> 01:48:28,840
six fingers. I kept seeing an extra digit. Every time

2159
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:30,640
I looked down, I kept seeing an extra digit, and

2160
01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:32,439
I like shake it off with my hand. I'm like,

2161
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:36,319
what the hell's going on. I looked at my keyboard,

2162
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:40,920
and my keyboard was like endless towards this way, endless

2163
01:48:41,039 --> 01:48:46,079
towards that way, and the keys were like not Anchian,

2164
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:50,760
but some sort of like like Mandaloria. You've ever seen

2165
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:53,560
like the writing in Mandaloria where it's like it looked

2166
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:55,920
like that. I was this is the first time ever

2167
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:59,479
I had done anything like this, right, My curiosity led

2168
01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:03,079
me to like this point where here I was hiding

2169
01:49:03,119 --> 01:49:05,520
the mushrooms from my wife and my closet, right growing

2170
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:07,239
them in this little girl bag and all this shit,

2171
01:49:07,239 --> 01:49:08,760
and she found about one pushes. What the hell are

2172
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:11,319
you doing? I was like, hey, they're a little right

2173
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:14,680
or whatever. So then I had the I had the

2174
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:16,800
whole setup. Bro, I had did the whole thing, and

2175
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:19,239
it led me to this point, and I'm trying to

2176
01:49:19,279 --> 01:49:22,279
calm my mind because everything on the computer was screaming

2177
01:49:22,279 --> 01:49:26,600
at me like it was. I put on a Mars documentary,

2178
01:49:27,039 --> 01:49:29,560
couldn't stand it. I put on all this. I put

2179
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:37,000
on Joe Rogan with Brian Callen. Oh yeah, Rogan had

2180
01:49:38,399 --> 01:49:43,359
black eyes. He was a he was a deep he

2181
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:46,399
had blacked out eyes, like his eyes were black. And

2182
01:49:46,399 --> 01:49:50,359
I'm watching them and then they're you know when podcasts

2183
01:49:50,359 --> 01:49:53,840
cut back and forth and like bobo, I couldn't keep

2184
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:55,920
up with like the cutting and the coming back and come,

2185
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,560
I'm like what And they were speaking, but I couldn't

2186
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:02,640
understand what they were saying. And Brian Callen, when I

2187
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:06,000
saw him on the screen in this very seat that

2188
01:50:06,039 --> 01:50:09,520
I'm sitting in, he looked like Baphomet, like he had

2189
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:12,720
like the head of a like a donkey, like it

2190
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:16,000
was like this, and then he had one, two, like

2191
01:50:16,119 --> 01:50:19,720
three set of eyes black and then I'd look away

2192
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:21,880
and I'd look back and it'd be Brian. Then he'd

2193
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:26,119
morph back into that demon. So I shut that off, dude,

2194
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:32,119
And the entire time, I'm like, I'm having audio hallucinations too.

2195
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:35,520
I had earphones in and my earphones felt like they

2196
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:39,359
were in my ears and in my head, like around

2197
01:50:39,359 --> 01:50:41,720
my neck like in My Body bro where I had

2198
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:45,399
to take my headphones off right. So the only thing

2199
01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:51,680
I could bear to watch was Our World on Netflix.

2200
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:57,760
I tried, Oh, I tried watching The Office Demonic Dwight

2201
01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:03,079
a fucking demon, a demon man, he was a demon,

2202
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,560
the whole cast demonic. I was like, yeah, I'm turning this.

2203
01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:10,520
The only thing I could bear to watch was Our

2204
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:15,439
World on Netflix, Our Planet or something like that. And

2205
01:51:17,239 --> 01:51:23,239
I remember watching this and you know, some some episodes

2206
01:51:23,279 --> 01:51:25,960
are the Ocean. Other episodes are like the r Tic

2207
01:51:26,119 --> 01:51:28,279
and you know, they show like the little Baby Seal

2208
01:51:28,319 --> 01:51:32,079
and then they showed a sea lion eating the baby

2209
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:33,960
seal or no, it was a it was a baby seal,

2210
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:37,119
and then a polar bear eating the baby seals head,

2211
01:51:37,119 --> 01:51:38,760
and I'm like tripping my dick.

2212
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:41,399
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, this is the one that

2213
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:43,039
Morgan Freeman is narrating.

2214
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:44,760
Speaker 2: I think so.

2215
01:51:45,119 --> 01:51:47,560
Speaker 4: No, it was like if you're ever in a bad trip,

2216
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:50,239
the voice of Morgan Freeman, calm me down.

2217
01:51:50,359 --> 01:51:52,039
Speaker 2: It wasn't English. I want to say. It was an

2218
01:51:52,079 --> 01:51:54,000
English guy. He had an at I don't remember, I don't.

2219
01:51:54,239 --> 01:51:56,640
I have to look it up. But he again, I'm

2220
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:59,079
watching this and I'm then I'm thinking.

2221
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,079
Speaker 4: To the Nature document to calm them down. Then you

2222
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:02,960
watch a polar bear fucking murk a.

2223
01:52:03,039 --> 01:52:05,840
Speaker 2: Baby, because the way it starts, bro, that's the way

2224
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:07,880
it started. Would start with like, oh, look at this

2225
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:11,760
beautiful ocean and this little baby peng when swimming around.

2226
01:52:12,399 --> 01:52:14,520
Here comes the sea lion and it would show like

2227
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:18,239
the predator aspect boot demolished it. And then I remember

2228
01:52:18,279 --> 01:52:23,640
seeing the elephant seals, and they zoomed into the elephant seals,

2229
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:25,640
but every time I would see a group of animals,

2230
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:29,279
I would see the group of animals but endlessly, like

2231
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:31,880
you know, you know in a cartoon, when like there's

2232
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:33,960
something coming at it and it's like endless, and it's

2233
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:35,720
like coming at you, coming at you, coming at you

2234
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:39,000
like that, like it never ends. All the fish they

2235
01:52:39,079 --> 01:52:41,359
kept like swirling back. I'm like, why the fuck are

2236
01:52:41,399 --> 01:52:44,680
there so many? When they showed the elephant seals and

2237
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:49,920
they showed the landscape, it was endless elephant seals as

2238
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:51,720
far as the eye could see, and I'm like, why

2239
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:56,479
the fuck are there's so many elephant seals? What is happening?

2240
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:59,399
And then they show them might these elephant seals, they're

2241
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:03,000
all migraine and shit. And the elephant seals are climbing

2242
01:53:03,119 --> 01:53:07,079
up on these mountains and these cliffs higher and higher

2243
01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:11,800
because of global warming, because humanity is a cancer and

2244
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:16,640
whatever humanity and humans touch, they destroy. And my mind

2245
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:21,000
starts telling me myself that we're a cancer, we're destroying,

2246
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:24,600
We're death. And these elephant seals are climbing higher and higher,

2247
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:28,039
trying to get colder and colder. It's a two ton animal,

2248
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:31,720
so it gets to a point where there's not enough

2249
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:34,399
room on the cliff for them, and they start pushing

2250
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:37,840
each other off. So you're watching this two ton animal

2251
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:41,680
on this documentary tumble to its death boom, heading every

2252
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:44,199
rock down, blood out of its mouth, and I'm tripping

2253
01:53:44,279 --> 01:53:47,640
my balls off and I'm like, I start crying. Bro.

2254
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:52,239
I was bawling, we're doing this to the elephant seals,

2255
01:53:52,279 --> 01:53:54,359
like this is the craziest shit.

2256
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:57,640
Speaker 3: Like see your wife walks in the room like, babe, no,

2257
01:53:59,279 --> 01:54:01,640
real bad. The funny part was.

2258
01:54:03,359 --> 01:54:05,199
Speaker 2: I went out to my living room and I have

2259
01:54:05,279 --> 01:54:08,800
a fish tank and I'm putting my hand on the

2260
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:11,800
glass and I'm like, why am I doing this to you?

2261
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:14,319
Like I have an arijuana that's like huge because he's

2262
01:54:14,399 --> 01:54:17,760
killed everybody in the tank or he ate everyone. And

2263
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:19,760
I'm like, what am I doing this to you?

2264
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 3: Bro?

2265
01:54:20,079 --> 01:54:22,359
Speaker 2: Like I'm like crying to my fish in my living room,

2266
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:25,119
like why you know, because again the mushrooms were telling me, like,

2267
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:28,159
you know, we need to be better humans. Like it

2268
01:54:28,319 --> 01:54:31,039
made me reflect internally of things that I was doing

2269
01:54:31,079 --> 01:54:34,199
at the time, you know, certain things. Honestly, it changed

2270
01:54:34,199 --> 01:54:36,880
my life, Like it had like a crazy, crazy trip,

2271
01:54:37,159 --> 01:54:40,359
but it changed my like it made me appreciate life.

2272
01:54:40,439 --> 01:54:42,159
And at three in the morning, right because I did

2273
01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:46,159
this at that's witching out eleven o'clock. Yeah, I started

2274
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:48,920
at eleven o'clock and I tripped my balls off to

2275
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,039
like six in the morning. At three in the morning,

2276
01:54:51,079 --> 01:54:55,000
I had texted my wife are you awake? Because I

2277
01:54:55,039 --> 01:55:00,760
wanted a hug. So the next day it's.

2278
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:02,239
Speaker 3: The Great Teacher for a reason.

2279
01:55:02,159 --> 01:55:05,319
Speaker 2: Bro, it was the crazies. The next thing, she's like, uh,

2280
01:55:05,399 --> 01:55:07,560
why'd you text her? Was like, oh, yesterday I took mushrooms.

2281
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:09,640
She's like, oh, so you were tripping her. I was like, yeah,

2282
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:12,760
I needed a hug. But towards the end of my trip,

2283
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:18,760
I started watching Prometheus, the alien movie. Oh my god, Bro,

2284
01:55:19,479 --> 01:55:21,800
that is the craziest thing. Like, when I was coming

2285
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:24,159
down from the trip, I wasn't like peaking, But when

2286
01:55:24,199 --> 01:55:27,720
I was peaking, it like came in these waves and

2287
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:31,279
I kept hearing like, uh, I don't know. I want

2288
01:55:31,279 --> 01:55:32,760
to say it was the universe. I don't know what.

2289
01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:34,880
I don't know what it was that was telling me

2290
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:37,760
like different aspects of my life that I needed to fix.

2291
01:55:38,199 --> 01:55:40,520
So if you ever not want to hear about like

2292
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:43,119
the bad things that you do in your life, don't

2293
01:55:43,159 --> 01:55:46,840
take mushrooms because they will reveal to you what you

2294
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:51,439
are neglecting or like what you're failing to face. And

2295
01:55:51,479 --> 01:55:56,600
that was the first and only time I've done mushrooms.

2296
01:55:56,640 --> 01:56:02,079
And I have the utmost respect for the substance for

2297
01:56:02,199 --> 01:56:07,960
these little aliens essentially that grow because again they will

2298
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:11,039
show you things. And again I didn't believe in any

2299
01:56:11,039 --> 01:56:12,920
of that shit. Bro, I was like, this is crazy. Again.

2300
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:13,880
Speaker 3: Remember I was like.

2301
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 2: Twenty four years old. I never I had never smoked me.

2302
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:19,840
I started smoking when I started podcasting. Right Like again,

2303
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:21,680
I started doing all these things because you listen to

2304
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:23,520
rog again, and you listen to all these guys and

2305
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:28,199
then you get sucked into it and hey, curiosity killed

2306
01:56:28,199 --> 01:56:33,520
the cat. And sometimes it was that the Pika twenty twenty,

2307
01:56:33,600 --> 01:56:37,720
right in like April, when everything was like getting shut down,

2308
01:56:38,079 --> 01:56:40,000
and I was like, yo, if I have a psychotic

2309
01:56:40,079 --> 01:56:45,000
break and I have to go to the hospital, I'm

2310
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:47,760
gonna get sick and I'm gonna die. So that just

2311
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:51,520
drove my anxiety even more. But honestly, the entire time,

2312
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:54,119
I had like the worst anxiety you could ever have,

2313
01:56:55,239 --> 01:56:57,359
and it would like come in. I could feel it, bro.

2314
01:56:57,439 --> 01:57:00,159
It would like it would like calm now, and then

2315
01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:01,800
I could feel the wave coming back. I was like

2316
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:04,039
and I kept telling like no, no, no, please, no please,

2317
01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:06,720
and then it would just be like holy shit, Like

2318
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:09,560
I could see like I don't know what I was saying, Bro,

2319
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:12,159
I could like feel the universe.

2320
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:14,680
Speaker 5: Like at the peak of the craziest shit, and it

2321
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,039
was like oh, and then it would let me go

2322
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:20,880
and I was like I remember telling I was like

2323
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:22,000
talking to my sol, I'm.

2324
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:23,920
Speaker 2: Like, I don't want to be here anymore. I don't

2325
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:25,800
want to be here, like I want this to stop.

2326
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:29,279
But there was like that little voice. I was like, no, motherfucker,

2327
01:57:29,319 --> 01:57:32,760
you wanted to be here. Now We're in it now,

2328
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:34,000
there's no turning back.

2329
01:57:34,479 --> 01:57:35,600
Speaker 3: And it was just wa.

2330
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:38,279
Speaker 2: Man ringing me the whole fucking night, and I'm like,

2331
01:57:38,319 --> 01:57:41,399
I just wanna these animals man, like whatever, you know,

2332
01:57:41,439 --> 01:57:44,840
we're killing the elephant seals. And it changed my life, bro.

2333
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:49,199
And the next day I was like in between the

2334
01:57:49,279 --> 01:57:52,840
two realities a little bit, like when I woke up

2335
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,399
and it made me like, I remember looking at my

2336
01:57:55,479 --> 01:57:57,439
kids and I'm like, are you real? I wanted to

2337
01:57:57,479 --> 01:57:59,560
make sure that they weren't like an hallucination. I'm like

2338
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:02,600
are you And I could feel like a sense of appreciation.

2339
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:05,640
It's the weird bro, It's the weirdest shit, Like I

2340
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:06,520
can't even describe it.

2341
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:11,640
Speaker 3: It is potent, powerful and not for the weak of

2342
01:58:12,239 --> 01:58:15,520
mind for sure, Like if you got shit that you

2343
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:18,600
gotta work on, it can be a very powerful tool

2344
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:21,399
in that sense, Like if you're looking for some kind

2345
01:58:21,399 --> 01:58:24,479
of answers, what do I want deeply internally? What do

2346
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:26,439
I want out of my life? Am I supposed to

2347
01:58:26,479 --> 01:58:28,079
be with this person? Am I supposed to be doing

2348
01:58:28,119 --> 01:58:31,199
this job? You know? Should I stop hanging around these

2349
01:58:31,239 --> 01:58:34,359
friends or whatever? Right? Like, it'll show you, dude, And

2350
01:58:34,439 --> 01:58:38,760
it'll show you in very very graphic ways because your

2351
01:58:38,840 --> 01:58:43,760
emotions will manifest. That's the craziest thing about you know,

2352
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:48,479
psychedelics is is that whatever you're thinking, you almost see

2353
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:53,720
and it almost feels like the mushrooms are trying to

2354
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:57,560
get you to see something specifically, But it's just because

2355
01:58:57,600 --> 01:59:00,600
the mushrooms in your mind are so interwoven like DNA

2356
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:03,079
strands at that point, you know, and so they're like

2357
01:59:03,159 --> 01:59:06,239
feeding off of each other. And so yeah, I mean

2358
01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:08,399
if you go into if you go into like any

2359
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:12,199
kind of psychedelic trip and a bad mood, bro, good

2360
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:16,359
luck in there. Like it is going to be fucking horrific.

2361
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:18,800
You're gonna learn a lot of shit about yourself in there,

2362
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:20,800
There's no doubt about that. And the same thing with

2363
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:24,760
like DMT and four Aco d MT and you know whatever.

2364
01:59:25,039 --> 01:59:27,560
But like all of these different psychedelics, dude, they are

2365
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:31,680
so they're magical, Like that's what that's why they're magic mushrooms,

2366
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:35,800
you know, Like like you talked about like how how

2367
01:59:36,399 --> 01:59:40,920
basically it's like, uh, you said, the curiosity killed the cat, right,

2368
01:59:41,319 --> 01:59:43,840
But it's like, but then that cat was reborn. It

2369
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:46,239
was almost like a little fucking baptism. That's that's the

2370
01:59:46,239 --> 01:59:48,039
way I felt too, because I had like an ego

2371
01:59:48,119 --> 01:59:51,800
death with d MT at one time, and it's fucking nuts.

2372
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:53,199
It does change your life, though.

2373
01:59:53,279 --> 01:59:56,159
Speaker 2: It did, dude, and I don't I don't want to

2374
01:59:56,199 --> 01:59:57,239
go back to that place.

2375
01:59:57,279 --> 01:59:57,399
Speaker 3: Man.

2376
01:59:57,439 --> 01:59:58,880
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with the You'll people like, oh, do

2377
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:00,960
you you just had a bad trip? Just do it again?

2378
02:00:01,079 --> 02:00:01,399
Speaker 3: Nope?

2379
02:00:02,199 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 2: Nope, Like you can you can have fun with that,

2380
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:06,520
like unless you're gonna do it in a sort of

2381
02:00:07,159 --> 02:00:09,119
controlled environment, like I have a buddy of mine that

2382
02:00:09,159 --> 02:00:12,079
lives in Jamaica and he does like you know, cause

2383
02:00:12,079 --> 02:00:14,640
it's good for rehab and stuff, right, like it's a

2384
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:17,319
medicine and he does guided trips where they give people

2385
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:20,760
but there's somebody there taking. I was alone, dude, in

2386
02:00:20,840 --> 02:00:24,199
my room on a Friday night, you know, et eleven

2387
02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:26,119
o'clock at night, where I thought it was fun. My

2388
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:28,399
friends were egging me on on discord like yeah, dude,

2389
02:00:28,399 --> 02:00:32,159
take it. You're gonna You're gonna be fine. And that

2390
02:00:32,399 --> 02:00:34,600
wasn't I mean, how much.

2391
02:00:34,479 --> 02:00:36,359
Speaker 3: You're taking, you know, if you're just trying to have

2392
02:00:36,439 --> 02:00:38,520
like you're trying to see pretty colors and be putting

2393
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:41,000
a good, giggly kind of mood. Then you know, just

2394
02:00:41,039 --> 02:00:43,680
take a cup like a gram or you know, two

2395
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:46,920
grams or something like that, like microna. Stop drinking.

2396
02:00:48,239 --> 02:00:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it helps, man, really.

2397
02:00:50,399 --> 02:00:53,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was bad off with alcohol for

2398
02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:53,960
a good while there.

2399
02:00:54,079 --> 02:00:56,640
Speaker 4: And I wouldn't say I was like, you know, a

2400
02:00:56,800 --> 02:00:59,720
raging alcohol agree with that stuff, but it was. It

2401
02:00:59,800 --> 02:01:01,880
was to a point to where it was affecting my

2402
02:01:02,039 --> 02:01:06,920
day to day negatively, right, Yeah, And so instead of

2403
02:01:06,920 --> 02:01:08,840
coming home and cracking a beer, I would come home

2404
02:01:08,840 --> 02:01:12,079
and take like two mushrooms, which for me, I have

2405
02:01:12,119 --> 02:01:14,840
a very high tolerance as far as psychedelics goes.

2406
02:01:18,399 --> 02:01:19,399
Speaker 3: It was enough for me, and.

2407
02:01:19,359 --> 02:01:21,279
Speaker 4: I would yeah, I see, like the colors would get

2408
02:01:21,279 --> 02:01:23,199
a little more vibrant. But I was still able to

2409
02:01:23,279 --> 02:01:26,119
like handle like life, what was going on around me.

2410
02:01:26,159 --> 02:01:28,239
Speaker 3: I wasn't just like sitting there just zen'd out looking

2411
02:01:28,279 --> 02:01:30,720
at the wall. I was doing what I normally would do.

2412
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:30,920
Speaker 2: Now.

2413
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:33,560
Speaker 4: I wasn't like driving, I was responsible, you know what

2414
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:35,479
I mean. But I was still cooking dinner. I was

2415
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:38,199
still doing whatever I was doing. And it caught me

2416
02:01:38,279 --> 02:01:40,560
to quit drinking, because when you drink with that, it

2417
02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:43,800
kills the psychedelic effects. Oh wow, Why would I cut

2418
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:45,279
this short, you know what I mean. Yeah, and it

2419
02:01:45,319 --> 02:01:46,880
would wear off by the time I was going to

2420
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:49,039
bed again. It was a very it was a microdose.

2421
02:01:49,439 --> 02:01:51,760
So yeah, after you do that for about you know,

2422
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:54,439
two months, three months, wherever the case is, it's not

2423
02:01:54,479 --> 02:01:56,680
like I just have this burning desire to go trip

2424
02:01:56,720 --> 02:01:59,279
balls again, although like I could if I wanted to,

2425
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:02,039
I don't have a desire to. And it also got

2426
02:02:02,079 --> 02:02:03,840
it to where because that's the thing. When you have

2427
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:08,319
somebody that is addicted to something, they constantly want more

2428
02:02:08,359 --> 02:02:10,640
of it. And after two months of not having a

2429
02:02:10,680 --> 02:02:13,960
sip of alcohol, it was like, I don't actually want alcohol.

2430
02:02:14,199 --> 02:02:16,119
Speaker 3: I don't even want to. I don't need it.

2431
02:02:16,239 --> 02:02:18,399
Speaker 4: I don't you know, it's not enjoyable like it once

2432
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:20,079
was when I was twenty, you know what I mean.

2433
02:02:20,119 --> 02:02:22,600
Speaker 3: It just it definitely helped break the cycle.

2434
02:02:22,760 --> 02:02:24,840
Speaker 4: And then it's not like mushrooms where a thing where

2435
02:02:25,439 --> 02:02:27,039
I felt like I just needed them too.

2436
02:02:27,079 --> 02:02:28,279
Speaker 3: When the time came and I.

2437
02:02:28,239 --> 02:02:31,439
Speaker 4: Realized that they had served their purpose, I just put

2438
02:02:31,479 --> 02:02:31,920
them down.

2439
02:02:32,439 --> 02:02:37,319
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, they're freaking awesome, dude, but definitely

2440
02:02:37,399 --> 02:02:41,560
not to be abused. Like that's something that like whenever

2441
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:45,279
I trip I mean at most I'll trip like once

2442
02:02:45,359 --> 02:02:48,880
every four months, but I'm not doing them back to back.

2443
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:51,640
And to be honest with you, like I've my first

2444
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:53,399
time trip and I was like, oh my god, this

2445
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:57,159
is so awesome and I experienced like some wild shit right,

2446
02:02:57,199 --> 02:02:58,319
and so I was like, oh, I want to go

2447
02:02:58,359 --> 02:02:59,640
back there. I want to check it out. It was

2448
02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:01,479
like a real good trip and I felt like I

2449
02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:03,439
garnered like a lot of knowledge and shit from it.

2450
02:03:03,640 --> 02:03:05,279
And I tried going back there like two or three

2451
02:03:05,319 --> 02:03:08,439
days later. You have to allow your system to like

2452
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:13,520
recuperate a little bit because it starts not being as

2453
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:16,279
potent after a while, you know, and you could even

2454
02:03:16,279 --> 02:03:19,319
build a tolerance, you could even double the dosage, and

2455
02:03:20,119 --> 02:03:23,000
it's like you're not necessarily going to get to where

2456
02:03:23,039 --> 02:03:25,600
you were. It has to be like a once every

2457
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:28,279
so often kind of thing. Like I haven't trips since

2458
02:03:28,279 --> 02:03:30,880
the summer, and I'm I'm good for the next couple

2459
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:31,720
of months at least.

2460
02:03:32,039 --> 02:03:34,359
Speaker 2: I haven't tripped since twenty twenty and I'm not going

2461
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:37,840
I'm not going back. Boys, the psychle not life is

2462
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:40,800
not for me. And it's like, yeah, I took two

2463
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:43,159
point eight grams and when I asked my when I know.

2464
02:03:43,239 --> 02:03:45,640
When I told my friend, he's like, that's a decently

2465
02:03:45,800 --> 02:03:47,359
you know, for a first timer.

2466
02:03:47,560 --> 02:03:49,079
Speaker 3: That's all solid dose. Yeah.

2467
02:03:49,159 --> 02:03:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's like, yeah, you're lucky.

2468
02:03:51,319 --> 02:03:51,520
Speaker 3: You know.

2469
02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:53,680
Speaker 2: Some people wake up, you know, naked in their in

2470
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:56,600
their room, crying on the floor, you know, wrapped up

2471
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:59,000
in their blanket because they're just seeing some crazy shit.

2472
02:03:59,560 --> 02:04:01,600
And it didn't get to that point for me, but

2473
02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:05,119
definitely cried. I talked to my fish a lot. I

2474
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:07,880
cried over it, and I apologized to him, you know,

2475
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:12,840
because I had him in and uh, yeah, it's wild man, but.

2476
02:04:14,279 --> 02:04:16,880
Speaker 3: Experience wild in there, dude. I fucking talked to seg

2477
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:19,399
Met and I talked to your boy Ronnie Pontiac about it,

2478
02:04:19,439 --> 02:04:21,560
and I didn't know it was segment, but basically like

2479
02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:24,680
this cat being like a cat person, and he goes, oh, yeah,

2480
02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:26,640
that was segment. I was like, what the fuck, Like,

2481
02:04:26,680 --> 02:04:28,680
how did I even mind know that?

2482
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:32,239
Speaker 4: You know, we now this is the third different version

2483
02:04:32,279 --> 02:04:33,680
of what that cat being was.

2484
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:36,239
Speaker 3: Tell me what segment is. No, it's the same thing.

2485
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:38,880
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like we've heard somebody stay it was this

2486
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:41,680
type of being. Then somebody else said, no, that's not it's.

2487
02:04:41,560 --> 02:04:43,439
Speaker 3: Not a not a Limerian. What was the other one

2488
02:04:43,439 --> 02:04:47,319
they had said? It was a uh shit, I know

2489
02:04:47,399 --> 02:04:48,399
you're talking about.

2490
02:04:48,399 --> 02:04:50,760
Speaker 4: People come on and say, oh no, the cat beings.

2491
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:52,600
Oh that's totally this what a.

2492
02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:57,039
Speaker 3: Sec met segment was basically this uh, this ancient Egyptian

2493
02:04:57,159 --> 02:05:02,399
goddess and her dad was one of the guys I

2494
02:05:02,439 --> 02:05:04,760
don't remember, I don't know all the characters in Egypt,

2495
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:09,720
but of Osiris or something like that. Sure, but second

2496
02:05:09,720 --> 02:05:13,359
met and basically this it was like a cat person

2497
02:05:13,720 --> 02:05:18,720
kind of deity thing. And this one was like very

2498
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:23,319
dangerous and what had like a blood lust and like

2499
02:05:23,439 --> 02:05:25,920
would go around killing people just because she wanted to

2500
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:27,760
get high off of their blood and all that shit.

2501
02:05:28,039 --> 02:05:31,560
But it was known that she was a like a

2502
02:05:31,680 --> 02:05:37,039
bit of a scarlet or yeah. Yeah, And and so

2503
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:39,920
whenever I was tripping, I was especially going through like

2504
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:42,640
a bad time in my life, and she came and

2505
02:05:42,680 --> 02:05:45,760
like started cuddling up on me in my bed, bro

2506
02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:48,680
Like I felt her, like I felt her fucking body

2507
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:52,720
up against me. I felt her, I felt her actual

2508
02:05:53,039 --> 02:05:58,039
purring vibrating up against my body. And and so you know,

2509
02:05:58,079 --> 02:06:00,239
I said that to Ronnie, and I was like dude.

2510
02:06:00,279 --> 02:06:02,239
It was so strange because for some reason, I'm going

2511
02:06:02,239 --> 02:06:05,199
through this very hard time and she's like basically trying

2512
02:06:05,239 --> 02:06:07,479
to be there for me. But I felt so bad

2513
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:09,800
because I was getting horny from it. I was like, dude,

2514
02:06:09,880 --> 02:06:12,000
get your fucking mind out of the gutter for one second.

2515
02:06:12,039 --> 02:06:14,199
Just appreciate it for what it is. He goes, oh, no, yeah,

2516
02:06:14,199 --> 02:06:16,479
that was segment, like that's the effect that she has,

2517
02:06:16,720 --> 02:06:19,600
and I was like, what, that's like a real, real thing.

2518
02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:21,680
And then you find out the story of seg Met,

2519
02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:28,359
where basically Osiris or whoever was basically he was like, well,

2520
02:06:28,359 --> 02:06:30,760
look you're going around and you're you're killing everybody, and

2521
02:06:31,079 --> 02:06:33,239
he was like, there's not going to be anybody left

2522
02:06:33,239 --> 02:06:36,319
to be able to worship me anymore. And so he

2523
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:40,680
tricked her into drinking this other kind of blood like

2524
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:44,439
substance probably and I don't know it was it was red,

2525
02:06:45,359 --> 02:06:48,279
but it was, but anyway, so she went down and

2526
02:06:48,399 --> 02:06:52,760
drank it, and then she evolved into this other character

2527
02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:56,439
known as Hathor, and Hathor is supposed to be, you know,

2528
02:06:56,600 --> 02:07:01,039
like this loving, kind goddess lady. So it's like the

2529
02:07:01,079 --> 02:07:05,319
dichotomy of the two of the two things, and I

2530
02:07:05,359 --> 02:07:07,960
don't know, crazy story. I mean, those Egyptian stories are wild.

2531
02:07:08,039 --> 02:07:11,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of those Mediterranean pagan pantheons are wild

2532
02:07:11,640 --> 02:07:14,680
as fuck. The Greeks, the majority of the stories are

2533
02:07:15,239 --> 02:07:17,680
Zeus not being able to keep it in his pants, right,

2534
02:07:18,039 --> 02:07:20,840
the Romans, it's mostly Jupiter not being able to keep

2535
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:22,640
it in his pants. You look at the entirety of

2536
02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:25,640
the Egyptian lore like it's it's it's wild.

2537
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:26,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I've gone on.

2538
02:07:26,840 --> 02:07:29,960
Speaker 4: About how Toth got his coum crown from from Seth

2539
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:30,800
and Horace and that.

2540
02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:34,279
Speaker 3: Whole debacle, and it's it's just it's wild. And I'm

2541
02:07:34,319 --> 02:07:35,800
not saying that in a demeaning way.

2542
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:39,399
Speaker 4: I'm saying that, like, yeah, those those pantheons tend to

2543
02:07:39,399 --> 02:07:40,920
be very sexually driven.

2544
02:07:41,600 --> 02:07:45,279
Speaker 3: Uh you know character arts if you will, Yeah, just

2545
02:07:45,319 --> 02:07:48,760
the mythology of them, and you know, uh, the goal

2546
02:07:48,840 --> 02:07:51,239
in my mind, I like to look at everything esoterically.

2547
02:07:51,319 --> 02:07:54,000
So do I think that there actually was a cad person? No?

2548
02:07:54,119 --> 02:07:55,760
I don't. I'm not going to sit here and assume

2549
02:07:55,800 --> 02:07:58,199
that those people believe that she actually was a real

2550
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:01,560
person or whatever. They probably but for me, I like

2551
02:08:01,640 --> 02:08:04,199
looking at it for the esoteric understanding of it, and

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whenever you think about like what do these people represent

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as symbols? And so if you look at the segment

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and the hath Or dichotomy, basically it kind of is

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like your your left brain versus your right brain. That

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one that is addicted to this material realm just needs

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more materialistic shit, you know, addicted to sex, addicted to

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whatever kind of substance. And then the other one who

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she evolved to be, was this you know, very loving

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kind of uh like loving queen goddess type of thing.

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And so, I don't know, I like to I like

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the esoteric understanding of it personally that I don't know

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if that's the correct way to look at it, but

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that's the way I interpret it.

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Speaker 2: Boys, any closing thoughts on this U episode before we

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get the fuck out of here?

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Speaker 3: Kind of bounced all over on this one.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, Yeah we did, Yeah we did. Well.

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Speaker 3: Look, you know, if you try to find if you're

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trying to find the Cult of Conspiracy podcast, you like

2571
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the things that we had to say here. This is

2572
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not typically the kind of conversations that we have, but

2573
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we do get a little a little weird from time

2574
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:12,239
to time. But if you are interested in any kind

2575
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of conspiracies, we get into some of the esoteric kind

2576
02:09:15,600 --> 02:09:17,279
of shit from time to time, but we like to

2577
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stick to the conspiracies. We actually just did a show

2578
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yesterday on John Teeter, who was a time traveler. That

2579
02:09:24,479 --> 02:09:26,720
was a lot of fun. But we stay up to

2580
02:09:26,760 --> 02:09:28,159
date with a lot of the things that are going

2581
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on in the world in politics and stuff like that.

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So if you're interested in that, we actually are releasing

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eleven shows a week, sometimes to a day. We have

2584
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we have a we're basically trying to build like this,

2585
02:09:40,920 --> 02:09:44,960
this network, and so we have Josh Monday on the show,

2586
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Cosmic Peach on this show, Strange Brew comes on the show.

2587
02:09:48,439 --> 02:09:50,520
We just got the White Rabbit on the show, and

2588
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amongst others that are to come as well. So if

2589
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you just want to be surrounded by conspiracy every single

2590
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moment of your life, I promise you you will not

2591
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get bored. You're never gonna run out of anything. I

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think we're on like episode fucking seven hundred or something

2593
02:10:06,920 --> 02:10:08,479
by now. I don't even know what we're up to now,

2594
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but coming up on eight. We are rapidly approaching eight,

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coming up on eight, So If that's something that you're into,

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come check us out at Cult of Conspiracy podcast or

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Patreon members that are on the Third Eye all the

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way open Tier and those Tuesday night shows. Guns be

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getting wild over there. It is all over the place.

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And what's awesome about that is that we like to

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intertwine all of the good Cult members out there. So

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if they have any kind of question or they want

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us to look into something, they want our opinion on something,

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it's a you know, we we work together on that

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show and it's a really fun time. So yeah, well man,

2612
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we h. We appreciate you having us on the show, dude,

2613
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and uh, you're always a pleasure to talk to you, sir.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely not the average show, but who cares, man,

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We're here to have fun. I had a ton of

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fun today. I appreciate you guys joining me, and yeah,

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make sure follow me over on my side of things

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monetized for a while, so come support the show, Come

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joining me. This is super fun and uh, there's always

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everyone will catch you on the next one. Bank