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<v Speaker 1>I'm a year. You could deal the weather.

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<v Speaker 2>This weekend, drop a little bit falls right around the corner.

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<v Speaker 2>Utah Football, Big twelve Football, b YU football, college football.

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<v Speaker 1>Pro football is right around the corner.

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<v Speaker 2>And our next guest, it's been a minute, one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorites breakdown college football with now with our friends

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<v Speaker 2>of the ACC Network, Our buddy from the old Pack

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<v Speaker 2>twelve days is Max Brown. On a Tuesday afternoon, Max,

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize about misbehaving with the clock.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you, buddy, No, it's all good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all good. You made up for it with the

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<v Speaker 3>PAC twelve intro. Always got love for that, never can

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<v Speaker 3>never forget.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But it still is weird. We don't have to re litigate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still just wild though. But let's start with what's

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<v Speaker 2>new with you? So what is what's the college football

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<v Speaker 2>season and schedule going to look like for you this year?

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<v Speaker 1>Max?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, switching up network networks. I was at the CW

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<v Speaker 3>last year calling their full ACC package. It'll be a

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<v Speaker 3>similar schedule for me, but now with the ACC network,

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<v Speaker 3>So I'll have no ESPN be calling games with Chris

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<v Speaker 3>Cotter over there, and it'll be a rotating schedule, so

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<v Speaker 3>you know, sometimes the one pm kick, sometimes the four

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<v Speaker 3>pm kick, but it'll be a lot of East Coast

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<v Speaker 3>college football these days.

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<v Speaker 1>Good stuff, good stuff. Well out this way we are again.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm shaking my head as I say we're in the

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<v Speaker 2>big twelve footprint because for so long we were in

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<v Speaker 2>the back twelve footprint.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's year two for Utah. Max.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just ask you, just macro standpoint, take it

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<v Speaker 2>whatever direction you want to take it. What gives you

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<v Speaker 2>the most confidence that year two for Utah will look

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<v Speaker 2>much better than year one in the big twelve?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just the history of what Ale Whittingham has been

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<v Speaker 3>at that program, which I know you fans know well,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think nationally sometimes sometimes people forget about that

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<v Speaker 3>of just how obscure and how disappointing last year was

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<v Speaker 3>and how much of a surprise it was. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think that'll happen again for Utah. I do think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, these past couple of years feel like, on paper,

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<v Speaker 3>like that was the window if Utah was going to

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<v Speaker 3>get that championship, whether it was a CFP type of win,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it was a Rose Bowl type of win, might

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<v Speaker 3>get Unfortunately, says that window may have passed, but I

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<v Speaker 3>do think in the conference of autonomy these days, in

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<v Speaker 3>the Big Twelve, there's no reason Utah can't be right

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<v Speaker 3>in the thick of things. And I think we were

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<v Speaker 3>this time last year expecting that Utah would be the

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<v Speaker 3>enforcers in the Big twelve. And hey, Big twelve, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, get ready for the utes coming to town.

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<v Speaker 3>That obviously didn't come to Fruition last year. But I

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<v Speaker 3>feel confident in a conference that doesn't necessarily have physicality

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<v Speaker 3>across the board, there's no reason that can't be Utah's

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<v Speaker 3>mo and you know, kind of sent a message to

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of the conference still being someone of the

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<v Speaker 3>new guys in that conference.

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<v Speaker 2>So Devin dan Pierre is the new quarterback and it

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<v Speaker 2>actually is a little i would say relieving for the

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<v Speaker 2>fan base.

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<v Speaker 1>Around here just to know who's going to be under center.

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<v Speaker 2>And he arrives in Salt Lake with his offensive coordinator

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<v Speaker 2>for a year ago now it was New Mexico. Devin

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<v Speaker 2>put up some good numbers last year, a lot with

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<v Speaker 2>his legs. The throw game numbers, as coach, we would

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<v Speaker 2>like to say weren't necessarily all that good. But what

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<v Speaker 2>sort of challenge is does a step up in competition,

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<v Speaker 2>pos and Max. What are you expecting from Devin dan

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<v Speaker 2>Pierre under center for the Utes this year?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right away, specifically with Dan Pierre, like because he's

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<v Speaker 3>such a mobile quarterback and his legs being a factor,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I would have still imagined that's obviously going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a huge part of his game. But I do

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<v Speaker 3>think it's a notch higher in terms of the athletes

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<v Speaker 3>you're getting in the secondary and the athletes you're getting

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<v Speaker 3>that linebacker. From a throw standpoint, which if Utah is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be in Big Twelve title contention, I do

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<v Speaker 3>think they're gonna have to throw the rock. I anticipate,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, games being more quarterback run centric, maybe a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit ball control, lean on your defense, don't make

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<v Speaker 3>mistakes and offense kind of thing and wear you down

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<v Speaker 3>type of offense, which that's more how Utah was when

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<v Speaker 3>I was in college. But I do think they're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>have to throw the rock to win a championship, and

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<v Speaker 3>i'd imagine that will be the biggest adjustment for Dan

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<v Speaker 3>Pierre coming into the next level. But you said it

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<v Speaker 3>coming over with your offensive coordinator, it's becoming a trend

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<v Speaker 3>in college football. You're seeing it at Oklahoma with Jeah

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<v Speaker 3>Mattier and his offensive coordinator coming from Washington State. You've

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<v Speaker 3>seen it in years past. I mean Diego Pavia at

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<v Speaker 3>Vanderbilt last year took the college football world by storm.

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<v Speaker 3>He came over with his play caller and whatnot. So

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<v Speaker 3>in my era when a quarterback was transferring, so much

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<v Speaker 3>of the conversation with hey, they're gonna have to learn

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<v Speaker 3>a new offense and that's going to be the biggest adjustment.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not the case when you're coming over with your OC,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a huge level up compared to the different

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<v Speaker 3>era of recruiting.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me Max, what you know about Ucla? Utah is

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<v Speaker 2>opening opponent this year on the non con We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>at the Rose Bull against Ucla.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still eighteen days away, but we already have odds.

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<v Speaker 2>Utah is about a touchdown favorite DraftKings right now has

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<v Speaker 2>a minus six point five. So it's a road games

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<v Speaker 2>first game for Devin. What you know the Bruins Utah's

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<v Speaker 2>first opponent this season.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they have the most noteworthy and I'm sure he's

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<v Speaker 3>covered it with your audience with the most noteworthy quarterback

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<v Speaker 3>transfer really of the entire offseason and Nico Yamalayava coming

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<v Speaker 3>from Tennessee. A lot of controversy around that, obviously transfer

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<v Speaker 3>and after spring because if you believe the reports, you

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<v Speaker 3>hear that he wasn't getting the money that he wanted.

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<v Speaker 3>So welcome to new school Nil and transfer portal. But

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<v Speaker 3>I would say from a Utah lens, I mean, the

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<v Speaker 3>threat of what that team can be with Nico behind center,

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<v Speaker 3>to me is a lot a lot scarier than where

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<v Speaker 3>they were before him, obviously, or funny enough, I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>say obviously, but Joey Aguilar was on track to be

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<v Speaker 3>their starter. Nico comes in and so then Joey just

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<v Speaker 3>transfers to Tennessee and it was a little musical chairs

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<v Speaker 3>game there. But I think Nico's got a lot of talent.

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<v Speaker 3>I think He's gotten a raw deal a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>from a perception perspective, because he was the first quarterback

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<v Speaker 3>to be one of these multi million dollar guys coming

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<v Speaker 3>out of high school. I mean, the number you heard

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<v Speaker 3>from him out of high school is getting offered eight

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars a year. So the expectations have been so high.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been Hey, if you're not a first rounder in

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<v Speaker 3>three years, what's going on the kid can still play.

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<v Speaker 3>Does he need to get better for sure? Does he

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<v Speaker 3>need to clean things up for sure? Is he a

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<v Speaker 3>top five quarterback in college football? No? But do I

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<v Speaker 3>think he has the talent to potentially get there if

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<v Speaker 3>things work out for him. Sure. The only problem is

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<v Speaker 3>there's not a lot of talent around him at UCLA.

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<v Speaker 3>So when you look at who those playmakers that he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be throwing the rock to or who's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be running next to him, I don't know the

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<v Speaker 3>answers to that. I don't They've lost some talent in

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<v Speaker 3>the portal in their own right. That's concerning to me.

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<v Speaker 3>They lost J Michael's sturt event or go to receiver

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<v Speaker 3>a year ago to Florida. I believe it was one

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<v Speaker 3>of the one of the state of Florida schools, and

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<v Speaker 3>so that to me is the biggest concern is I

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<v Speaker 3>think Nico's got some talent, but I wonder what UCLA

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<v Speaker 3>has around him. And so I'm from a Utah lens.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's an opportunity to, uh, you know, send

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<v Speaker 3>a message. Week one.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Vegas odds to win the Big twelve depending

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<v Speaker 2>on which sports book you look at. But it's more

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<v Speaker 2>or less Arizona State, K State, Texas Tech, Utah, and

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<v Speaker 2>Baylor as the five team. And look, we were all

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<v Speaker 2>so wrong about this conference a year ago that they

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<v Speaker 2>just decided to kill the Big twelve preseason media poll.

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<v Speaker 2>So odds are what they are and preseason polls are

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<v Speaker 2>what they are. But I guess the way I'll ask it, Max,

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<v Speaker 2>is your tier one teams in the Big Twelve are

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<v Speaker 2>who and why?

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<v Speaker 1>And as Utah in that mix.

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<v Speaker 3>That's hilarious. I actually didn't even know that. That's funnygether like,

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<v Speaker 3>we picked ASU to finish last last year, so we're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to have the terrible PR crisis what that was.

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<v Speaker 3>That's hilarious. I mean the Tier one is probably as

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<v Speaker 3>wide as any Tier one of any conference, which is

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<v Speaker 3>what makes the Big Twelve amazing because I do think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's well probably five or six teams in there.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean maybe this is media West Coast byas. I

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<v Speaker 3>still put Utah in that tier because of the upside

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<v Speaker 3>of what Dan Peer can do, because of what Whittingham

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<v Speaker 3>has done, and again I think last year was an outlier.

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<v Speaker 3>I put Texas Tech there, I put Iowa State there,

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<v Speaker 3>I put Kansas State there, and I probably put Arizona

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<v Speaker 3>State there first too. Out For me, I had TCU,

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<v Speaker 3>I called one of their games last year. I'm still

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<v Speaker 3>not there with them. I know people like Josh Hoover

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<v Speaker 3>their quarterback, and then Colorado also has questions at quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, to me, it's those five teams that I mentioned.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very intrigued with what Texas Tech is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>big picture, I think Iowa State, Kansas State, Arizona State,

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<v Speaker 3>like those are quality football teams you know, and to

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<v Speaker 3>some extent what you're going to get. But Texas Tech,

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<v Speaker 3>as I'm sure you've covered as absolutely rated portal as

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<v Speaker 3>you know, cranked it up a whole notch. And one

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<v Speaker 3>thing that I don't think is getting covered as much

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<v Speaker 3>with their transfer portal acquisitions as maybe should is they

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<v Speaker 3>are betting on Baron Moore, their quarterback, to be the

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<v Speaker 3>guy that can lead him to a championship, and they

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<v Speaker 3>did not go to the outside and invest in a

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<v Speaker 3>transfer portal quarterback, which I think a lot of schools

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<v Speaker 3>with that kind of money would have done that. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying Morton's a bad quarterback, but I'm saying, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna have an influx of millions of dollars that

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<v Speaker 3>you did not have a year ago to your nil program.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a lot of head coaches I would

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<v Speaker 3>have tried to go get the big fish in the

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<v Speaker 3>quarterback portal market. They didn't necessarily do that and invested

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<v Speaker 3>those resources, and all the dudes around him don't. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't necessarily know if it's gonna be a good or

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<v Speaker 3>bad strategy. I just think it's an interesting strategy because

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<v Speaker 3>on paper, Texas Tech had a huge portal class and

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<v Speaker 3>that's the team. That's interesting to me, Like when you look, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>the past two years, what are the teams that have

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<v Speaker 3>popped nationally that on paper, we probably could have projected

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<v Speaker 3>that Indiana last year, Right, they had a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>proven talent that came over and we dismissed it because

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<v Speaker 3>it was Indiana. But then in hindsight, it's like, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>those guys were playing really high quality football. Yes, it

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<v Speaker 3>would a level down, but we probably could have seen

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<v Speaker 3>that pop coming better than we did. And then the

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<v Speaker 3>people had Washington with Michael Pennix and Klin de Boor

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<v Speaker 3>making a pop, but that was not a national storyline.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it should have been, because when you look

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<v Speaker 3>on paper, that was a Husky team that had NFL

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<v Speaker 3>prospects at every level. My point is when you look

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<v Speaker 2>BYU a year ago they were picked to finish second

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<v Speaker 2>to last and finish second in the conference. Further in

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<v Speaker 2>the narrative of why we're no longer allowed to rank

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<v Speaker 2>these teams pre season, but they lose their quarterback, Jake

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<v Speaker 2>story was wildly, you know, widely covered not just here

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<v Speaker 2>locally but naturally with the honor coache stuff. It was

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<v Speaker 2>certainly sticky and certainly messy. It sounds like Max they're

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<v Speaker 2>if you know anything about him. He's a freshman that

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<v Speaker 2>spent some spring ball at stan Ferd. Aaron Rodgerick BYU's

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like he's gonna get that job over McKay Hillstead

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<v Speaker 2>and Trayson Borgae, who sounds like he's the odd man out.

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<v Speaker 2>B yu Well, ranked ahead of Utah in both the

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<v Speaker 1>Ahead of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>Good defense, good coaching staff. What are you expecting this

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm waiting to see on the quarterback position. I

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<v Speaker 3>think obviously anytime you're losing a starter that was super

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<v Speaker 3>successful for them, that's that's concerning. I do think, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't like Retslop was always the reason they were

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<v Speaker 3>winning games, which would make me encourage if I was

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<v Speaker 3>BYU where hey, maybe you know, if it is Bachmeyer,

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<v Speaker 3>who I've covered his brother in person, called a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of his games last year at Wake Forest, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if he steps in and he's the guy like you

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<v Speaker 3>on fire. The thing that always is intriguing to me

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<v Speaker 3>with BYU, especially in this transfer portal era where there

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<v Speaker 3>is so movement, BYU's roster makeup is much more sticky

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<v Speaker 3>and the culture is much more ingrained, rather than a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of other programs have to reinvent their culture every

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<v Speaker 3>single every single year because you know, there's a heavy

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<v Speaker 3>dose of portal fluctuation for lack of a better term.

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<v Speaker 3>And oh, by the way, BYU is an older roster,

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<v Speaker 3>which has always played a factor and has always been

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<v Speaker 3>an advantage for BYU, but I think it's even more

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<v Speaker 3>I'm never counting BYU out. But obviously they got to

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<v Speaker 3>find an answer at quarterback or I don't think they're

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<v Speaker 2>Moving off to Big twelve and talking some big picture

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<v Speaker 2>national college football, Texas is your number one team of

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<v Speaker 2>both the AP and the coach's Paul of course, Steve

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<v Speaker 2>sarkisian Arch manning a lot of buzz around Texas this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they deserving number one? Do you think they're the

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<v Speaker 3>I do. I would have put them there. I was

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<v Speaker 3>actually kind of a rise number one because everything I'm

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<v Speaker 3>least listening to and reading it feels like most people

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<v Speaker 3>have either Penn State or Clemson as their number one team.

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<v Speaker 3>But I like Texas. I mean, I'm a believer in

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<v Speaker 3>what Arch can be. I mean, I know you're I'm

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<v Speaker 3>the brief action. We've seen everything you read, you listen,

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<v Speaker 3>you listen to his interviews, like you know, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 3>bought in and and the hype there and and what

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<v Speaker 3>he could be. But I think it'll be really interesting

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<v Speaker 3>because this year, more than other years, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of big time programs rated inside the top ten that

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<v Speaker 3>have a huge question that quarterback and what that quarterback

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<v Speaker 3>situation will be. You know, you got Notre Dame at six,

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<v Speaker 3>Oregon at seven, Alabama at eight, who named their start today.

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<v Speaker 3>Georgia is gonna be breaking in a new starter. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean that's what five four teams there and Ohio State,

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<v Speaker 3>So half the top ten has brand new quarterbacks. That's

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we haven't had that in years past,

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<v Speaker 3>which obviously a lot of those starters are highly ranked guys.

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<v Speaker 3>But what's the upside Because if one of those teams

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<v Speaker 3>is going to come up and win a national title,

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<v Speaker 3>it's because Hey, the quarterback that we don't know anything

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<v Speaker 3>about could be a guy that's the high upside guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I know, I'm super intrigued with what Dante Moore

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<v Speaker 3>people latch onto only what he was as a true

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<v Speaker 3>freshman youngster at UCLA and forget a he was a

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<v Speaker 3>big time recruit and he's not a finished product as

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<v Speaker 3>a freshman. So those schools are fascinating to me. Like

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<v Speaker 3>the Alabama's Organs Notre Dame Georgia with new quarterbacks, I

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<v Speaker 3>think they have maybe a higher upside than some of

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<v Speaker 3>these other teams. And again obviously with Texas as well,

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<v Speaker 3>but right now, middle of August, I do think Texas

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Voye said, you lose and your point about these

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<v Speaker 2>schools breaking a new quarterbacks certainly a good one and

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<v Speaker 2>certainly one we've covered a lot because BYU and Utah

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<v Speaker 2>are also breaking in new quarterbacks. Penn State and Clemson

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<v Speaker 2>are not, and they are two teams that did receive

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<v Speaker 2>votes as the number one team in the country with

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<v Speaker 2>Clad Kid Club Nick the Kid who I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people might believe might be the number one

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<v Speaker 2>pick and Drew Aller, I think answered a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>questions last year for Penn State. How beneficial is that

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<v Speaker 2>for those two teams really maybe the only two teams

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<v Speaker 2>in the top upper echelon of college football that actually

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's huge, it's huge. I do wonder though, like,

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<v Speaker 3>because we fell into this trap as a media world

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<v Speaker 3>last year, at least a lot of people did. I

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<v Speaker 3>won't speak for you, Spence, but we we anointed Carson

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<v Speaker 3>Beck this time last year as like the shirt fire

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<v Speaker 3>number one overall pick in the NFL draft or at

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<v Speaker 3>worst he's at least a first rounder. And how wrong

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<v Speaker 3>were we with that? I mean, he's not even a

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<v Speaker 3>wonder if we're doing the same thing with Drew Aller

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<v Speaker 3>because he looks the part coming off the bus and

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<v Speaker 3>he's obviously got a rocket arm. But man, sometimes I think, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>Tyler Warren, you know, we underestimate the impact that he

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<v Speaker 3>had with the offense. And you know, we've seen two

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<v Speaker 3>full seasons from Drew Aller, and sure he got better

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<v Speaker 3>last year, but to me, he's not in that conversation

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<v Speaker 3>yet of hey, where at cam Ward was as a

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<v Speaker 3>number one overall pick, or certainly where a Kayleb Williams

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<v Speaker 3>was as a number one overall pick, or even you

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<v Speaker 3>know guys like a Michael Pennix that I know we've

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<v Speaker 3>covered a bunch, like those guys still have a big

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<v Speaker 3>step to do. And Kate Clubnick, I think is deserving

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<v Speaker 3>of being the top returning quarterback in college football, but

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<v Speaker 3>again looking at the NFL, like his his legs are

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<v Speaker 3>a huge part of his college game, I think his

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<v Speaker 3>mobility gets minimized a lot in the NFL. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think he's got to develop a lot as a pocket

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<v Speaker 3>passer and like, show me that you can win games

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<v Speaker 3>from the pocket, you know, leading two minute drills without

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<v Speaker 3>your legs being a factor. That's when I think he

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<v Speaker 3>I'm intrigued about all these other new quarterbacks because I

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<v Speaker 3>think as a media world, we're falling into a trap.

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<v Speaker 3>We're like, we know what Kate Clubnick is, we know

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<v Speaker 3>what True Allur is, So we're talking about those guys

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch. We don't really know what Julian saying is

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<v Speaker 3>at Ohio State. We don't really know what Notre Dame's

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<v Speaker 3>quarterback situation is. So if those guys were to hit,

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<v Speaker 3>it could totally change the complex of college football.

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<v Speaker 2>Max, you are the man. It's been too long. Always

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate the time. I have a great week, ed and

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<v Speaker 2>we'd love to chat soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks buddy for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Ben, appreciate you all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Max Brown, our old buddy from the PAC twelve network

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<v Speaker 2>now landing with the ACC.

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<v Speaker 1>Always appreciate Max's time.

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<v Speaker 2>He's very active on social media, whether it's Instagram or

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok or wherever the kids are doing these days. At

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<v Speaker 2>Max Brown is where you find them. Brown is spelled

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<v Speaker 2>with a knee.