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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Adventurers of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho.

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This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're

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Detectives dot net. But now, from December the fourteenth, nineteen

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forty two, here is industrial spirring.

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Speaker 2: Washington Calling Counterspy, Washington Calling Counterspy, Washington Calling Counterspy.

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Speaker 3: Lardy counters By Washington, Lardy encounters By Calling Washington.

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Speaker 4: Phillip H.

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Speaker 5: Lord counters By.

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Speaker 6: The Blue Network is proud to present Philip H. Lord Counterspire,

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a dramatization packed with thrills and adventures, the fascinating portrayal

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of undercover agents working against enemy spies within our borders

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all over this great country tonight is an invisible army

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of men and women, highly trained to protect us from

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professional enemy.

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Speaker 5: Spies within our borders.

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Speaker 6: Imagine Chief counter spy of them all as David the

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pirting in Pittsburgh, Henry Hughes cultured, well educated, and sophisticated,

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and of his hotel suite on the seventh floor, seated

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before addressing table in the bedroom was his most attractive.

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Speaker 7: H Hello, Laura, fixing up a little n Oh, no

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matters down at the office. You get those times for

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a drink?

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Speaker 8: What one already?

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Speaker 9: Man?

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Speaker 8: Having a drink alone? Eh? Perhaps you were alone?

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Speaker 10: You swine your insinuating pigs.

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Speaker 9: You come in with us, saintly where you have and

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I know where.

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Speaker 11: You've been at the office, Yes, the office, but let's

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take all over your car at night after night coming in.

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Speaker 12: I don't know you.

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Speaker 11: They got a fall, he haf you decent family, money, position, honors.

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I follow you every place of God for ten years.

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Speaker 12: You eat yam.

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Speaker 13: You're fake great Laura, Oh oh.

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Speaker 14: All right, thanks. I can't even do that anymore. Why

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do I love yourself?

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Speaker 8: It's been great? Sure, sure, I've been seeing someone else.

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You know it's business now.

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Speaker 7: As soon as I get all the information that we

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can leave this country, we'll be rich the rest of

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our lives.

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Speaker 8: No, I can't tell you the things I'm doing not

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allowed to stop. WI kill me. But they've promised that

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if I make good on this job, it means a

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big job over there, we'll get out of this country.

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But this is my country here.

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Speaker 9: Yes, you see what I've been through for years, loving you,

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ready to die for him, but cheating all the time

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in my country, which.

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Speaker 7: Means more to you your country or me there that

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sounds more natural. Well, all right, I'm going to go

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out for a while a night. Now, you go to move.

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Speaker 15: There's something o the bacon him Where you're going.

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Speaker 7: I've got to drive over the mountain in the Connors

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village five ninety miles.

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Speaker 11: You lie, you're lying like you always you.

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Speaker 9: You're going with her. You're letting me down.

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Speaker 16: I can see it in your eyes.

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Speaker 9: What are your head?

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Speaker 17: No, I'll wait a minute.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Okay, come along, I'll google Yah.

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Speaker 15: You need you want me to go with you?

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Speaker 8: Yes, I'll provence business. You'll have some drinks, drive over

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and make a good time of it. You needed him.

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I'd rather have you with me than anyone else.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I'm sucking cool, but I do love yourself.

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Speaker 16: Here's the bottle, Laura, have yourself another drink.

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Speaker 8: Oh, it's so beautiful tonight, Kenny.

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Speaker 10: You can seek for a mile.

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Speaker 16: Sure, we're about four thousand feet up.

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Speaker 9: Look.

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Speaker 16: Look how those clips drop right down from the side

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of the road. Oh, I thought I'd turn and drive

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right up to the edge. You can sit for a

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few minutes and look out at.

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Speaker 8: The mule, Henry.

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Speaker 16: Hed on't here, of course, see how I can handle

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a car. I didn't have a drink like you did.

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Speaker 10: Exciting have another drink, all right, but I'm busy now. Yeah,

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lean on my shoulders, Henry, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's all right now.

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Speaker 8: But perhaps there was a pin or something in the cushion. Yeah,

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what step? How should I know?

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Speaker 9: You do know it was you? You've done it.

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Speaker 6: There was a hypotemic me, you bidon venue.

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Speaker 17: We got too dangerous to have around you.

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Speaker 4: And you're jealous.

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Speaker 8: Your head off, nobody lever you up here, you're going over.

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Speaker 7: The clip.

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Speaker 18: Was just to make you when you find your body

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of blood naturally and your stomach full of liquor.

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Speaker 8: Mhm h, No emergency break, have big journey, my dear.

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Now to get the front wheels over now, the back

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wheels over.

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Speaker 19: All encounters my headquarters.

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Speaker 8: What harding figuring g seven, Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 19: I think you should fly here immediately, mister Harding.

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Speaker 8: What's your report?

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Speaker 19: Very attractive wife of Henry Hughes drove car while intoxicated

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off mountain cliff. Henry Hughes holds a rather important position

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in the Pittsburgh Bronze Casting Company. She is now doing

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war work exclusively.

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Speaker 8: What's the cat?

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Speaker 19: She's supposed to have driven off the cliff while intoxicated,

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but the ignition wasn't turned on, the key was in

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the lock turned off.

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Speaker 18: Quite remarkable in defense worker. Have a complete report ready.

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I'm flying immediately.

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Speaker 3: Party calling J seven Pittsburgh, J seven Pittsburgh, Jack.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I just had a thought check.

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Speaker 19: On the bookkeeper of the Pittsburgh Bronze Casting Company.

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Speaker 8: Find out everything about him. Been arriving about an hour.

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Speaker 4: Now. These reports, mister Harding, are all on Henry Hughes. Oh,

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you did well to get them as quickly. Notice that their.

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Speaker 8: Very well help us.

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Speaker 4: As a matter of two years there there seems to

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be no record of Henry Hughes at all during that period.

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You take that fort pile, mister Hardy. He was left

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the country and we entered. He did so without leaving

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any record of it.

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Speaker 8: There is no thing here that points are stationed anyway.

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To Henry Hughes, what about the bookkeeper of le Bron,

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I think company.

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Speaker 4: Elmer Bruce sixty five, smaller stature, light hair, blue eyes,

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lives with wife. Both regular church attenders. She's a Sunday

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school teacher. They have a daughter and two sons one grandchild.

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Bruce is very well thought of by his neighbors. It's

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a great lover of books. Goes the library at least

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four nights a week the library. Yeah, quite a scholarly chap.

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And they're going to drop.

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Speaker 8: Over to the library and see if Bruce happens to

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be there.

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Speaker 10: Me.

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Speaker 8: Were you through with this book?

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Speaker 9: Oh oh yeah, yeah, yes, I was just browsing for it.

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Speaker 8: Bruce is down a moment I might speak to you. Well, yes, certainly,

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and you Elmer Bruce.

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Speaker 9: But well, that's the most amazing thing I've ever heard of.

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I've never seen you before.

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Speaker 18: Well, this meeting isn't quite as accidental as it might seem,

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mister Bruce.

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Speaker 8: There certain reasons I didn't want to go to your home.

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I mean to have you look at my credentials. Mercy.

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Nothing to be nervous about.

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Speaker 9: Have I done something belonged?

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Speaker 18: I just wanted to ask you a question, mister Bruce.

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Do you happen to know a man who worked for

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your company by the name of Henry Hugh Why?

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Speaker 9: Yes, wasn't eticate to be his wife's death?

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Speaker 18: Yes, a terrible thing, mister Bruce. Of course you pay

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all the employees of the Bronze Casting Company by check.

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Speaker 9: Oh yes, yes, four hundred and sixty two, counting the

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two janitors at night watchman. That is the last counter that.

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Speaker 8: I'm mister Bruce.

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Speaker 18: Tomorrow your accountants are going to call on you and

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mister Haroldlawrence, the president of your firm. Now, these accounts

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are going to recommend that you pay the employees from

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now on in cash instead of by check. Oh no,

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I want you to fall in with the accountant's plans

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to pay from now on in cash.

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Speaker 9: But I couldn't. I'd be untruthful.

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Speaker 18: I'm sorry, mister Bruce. But he's happened to be government orders.

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A great deal depends on him.

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry too, mister Harting. I respect my government that

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even for your time, I couldn't lie.

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Speaker 8: Bruce. It's very refreshing to meet a man of your principle.

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Speaker 9: I don't wish to be an unreasonable print. I just

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want to do what's right.

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Speaker 18: Well, couldn't you say, under the present day circumstances you

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recommend paying by cash, and you wouldn't have to say

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what circumstances.

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Speaker 9: Well, rather delicately skirting the truth, Well I might.

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Speaker 8: Oh, that's fine.

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Speaker 18: Now you will receive from the bank each week some

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separate bills of different denominations, which we will have the

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numbers of. Now you are to put these designated bills

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in the pay envelope each week of Henry Hughes until

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notified to the contrary. Yes, and you're not to mention

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to anyone under any circumstances that you have met or

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talked with me.

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Speaker 9: That's responsibility. I hope. I'm a big enough person, mister Hardy.

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After all, I've always lived in my very small way,

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and I'm not a broad or big person.

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Speaker 18: I know all about you, mister Bruce. You're considered a

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very fine person. Now I'll have to leave you. I'm

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going back to Washington.

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Speaker 12: Jay seven had just arrived from.

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Speaker 8: Got any news quite a bit with Honey.

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Speaker 4: Very interesting.

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Speaker 8: Now see the court cover two weeks.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, Henry Hughs has received two pay in blots,

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each containing one hundred and twenty five dollars. All of

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that money was marked, and the banks were instructed to

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watch for it and to make careful notes where the

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different foods were turned in from You spent about eighty

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dollars each week.

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Speaker 8: See you got the page Saturday.

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Speaker 4: By Monday noon, the bank had received twenty dollars and

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the Birch Clothing Company fifteen dollars from the Red Moth

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a't the nightclub, thirty dollars from the hotel where Henry

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Hughes has an apartment five dollars. The money was received

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by the bank from a little cigar stand around the corner.

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He was evidently changed a bill there.

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Speaker 8: Let's take Tuesday, a.

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Speaker 4: Ten dollar bill from the gasoline station in garage where

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Hughes keeps his car.

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Speaker 8: Let do me see that second week report.

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Speaker 4: I think I know what you've noticed, mister Hardy.

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Speaker 8: Let's see Monday Wednesday Friday. Oh, yes, first week, Monday

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Wednesday Friday, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 4: Three times each week one of those mark bill would

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returned to the bank from the Rebel Arrow moving picture house.

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Speaker 8: How often does this Rebel Arrow moving picture house change

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its feature pictures twice a week.

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Speaker 18: Sir Henry Hughes, shortly after his wife's death, over which

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he grieved greatly, goes to a certain movie house three

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times each week, although they change the feature picture only

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twice a week.

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Speaker 8: Yes, see the J four goes to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 18: Immediately get the job is usher ret in the Rebel

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Arrow moving picture house and have her contact me for

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further instructions. Yes, now his pace is beginning to look

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pretty big. George, I have a feeling that we're going

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into action.

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Speaker 6: We'll continue tonight's case of Counterspy in just a moment,

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But first, here is a message of vital importance to

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women and girls who want to take an active part

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in the war effort. Your country needs you, and need

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you now as a student nurse. The need is so

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great that nineteen thousand student nurses will have to enter

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mid year classes in January and February.

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Speaker 8: Will you be one of them?

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Speaker 9: You won't attack the enemy, but you'll fight.

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Speaker 6: You will fight pain, you'll fight casualties.

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Speaker 8: Even as a student.

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Speaker 6: You'll release some experienced nurse to help our fighting men

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on the fields of battle. Here is a direct call

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from your country to answer it. Women and girls between

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eighteen and thirty five who are citizens and high school

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graduates in good health should write to Student Nurse Box

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eight eight, New York City at Box eighty eight, New

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York City, and they will give you full information.

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Speaker 5: Now back to Phillips h Lord's Counters five.

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Speaker 13: J four reporting the Hiding from Pittsburgh. Day four Reporting.

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Speaker 8: From Pittsburgh party. Speaking of course, the man in question and.

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Speaker 13: His fitter at four tens went down center ale to row,

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d asked girl to remove coats from a seat and

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sat down next to her. After a while, spoke to her,

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and from then on they carried on conversation. This happened

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Monday and Wednesday, the same girl each time.

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Speaker 8: Who is the girl?

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Speaker 12: Jellis Lawrence, the daughter.

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Speaker 13: Of the president of the Bronze Casting Company.

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Speaker 8: Yes, oh, I'll contact you later. I'm leaving for Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 18: Immediately tell j seven I'm going to call on mister Lawrence,

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president of the Bronze Casting Company.

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Speaker 5: H h.

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Speaker 8: Me, mister Harold Lawrence at home.

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Speaker 18: He said, I ask Chris Codon to kind of take

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you my card if you please participate, sir, thank you,

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said I had to take your Cortos loves.

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Speaker 15: Suddenly needed, mister Harding. He's in the living room.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, have you had me kuzzer. I think I'll take

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it with me.

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Speaker 15: I take.

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Speaker 8: No, I'd like to keep that with me too. Rat

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the space out. Delighted to meet you, sir. I'm very

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glad to meet you. Mister Laurence. Sit down, sit down.

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William should have taken your thing. I'm just starving for

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a moment, Lawrence.

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Speaker 4: You have a daughter, yes, feel it. It's a little

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difficult for me to broach the subject, mister Lawrence.

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Speaker 8: But what is it, mister Harding? Speak up?

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Speaker 17: Man?

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Speaker 18: But are you aware, mister Lawrence, that your daughter is

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it's quite interested in a certain gentleman.

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Speaker 17: Why no, Phyllis has many gentlemen friends. I don't think

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she's partial to anyone, especially I'm afraid, mister Lawrence, and

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I must tell you that she is just a moment

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mister Harding. I respect you in your position, but whether

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my daughter is partial to any young man or not

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is none of your business.

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Speaker 8: Wow.

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Speaker 18: I don't blame me for saying that, mister Lawrence. And

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believe me, I'll never be here. But we're not for

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a very serious purpose.

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Speaker 15: What is.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 18: The young man that your daughter happens to be interested

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in is in the employe of our enemies Germany.

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Speaker 20: Now let me get this straight. My daughter you mean Philly, Yes,

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she's interested in the man who's a German spy. I'm

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afraid so no, no, no, you're wrong. Is a man

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employed by you, Henry Who?

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Speaker 8: No, No, Harding Hughes.

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Speaker 17: Hugh's wife. Phyllis doesn't even know him. Besides, his wife

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was just killed. Why Hughes is a fine man.

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Speaker 18: I'm sorry, mister Lawrence, but Henry Hughes is a member

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of the German Gestapo.

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Speaker 17: He's lying.

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Speaker 9: He's lying.

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Speaker 10: She isn't.

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Speaker 12: So don't you believe him?

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Speaker 17: Father Phyllis, have you been listening.

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Speaker 9: Henry isn't a spy.

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Speaker 13: He's a patriotic American, just as patriotic as you are.

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Speaker 17: What Henry Henry Henry who.

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Speaker 9: Philis, Henry Hughes.

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Speaker 12: If you've got to know, I've loved him for months,

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but I wouldn't see him.

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Speaker 13: Then when his wife was killed, I didn't see why

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I shouldn't see him.

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Speaker 12: He's honestly decent, and I'm not ashamed I love him.

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Speaker 8: Phyllis, do you know what you're saying. I can't believe,

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mister Lawrence.

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Speaker 15: I'll leave.

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Speaker 8: I think it's between you and your guard father.

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Speaker 13: This man is tied to point in your mind.

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Speaker 12: Henry's fine and you know it.

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Speaker 17: He's my sweetheart.

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Speaker 8: I'll call you shorty on the phone, mister Lawrence Phyllis.

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I want the truth.

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Speaker 17: How long you've been seeing this man hughes? Oh no,

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he isn't what mister Harding said.

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Speaker 4: He is.

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Speaker 12: I do know, and he loves me.

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Speaker 9: Ask him.

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Speaker 12: He didn't love his wife anyway, he told me. They

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ask him.

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Speaker 20: I'll ask him nothing.

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Speaker 17: You've been meeting him behind my back.

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Speaker 8: You've been lying to me about where you were going.

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Speaker 4: You haven't told me a thing about it.

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Speaker 12: Why should I have? For the sin the love a man, it's.

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Speaker 8: A sind of an enemy.

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Speaker 17: That man hiding must know what he's talking.

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Speaker 12: I tell you it's lies, lies, lies, lies, I.

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Speaker 4: Can say on the shade.

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Speaker 17: Hiding is driving off in his car and stupid as

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I'd like to have my hands on.

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Speaker 9: Him, killing his wife that said up to this, I

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told him not to, but.

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Speaker 4: He was a plate of her.

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Speaker 9: She got so jealous.

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Speaker 4: We've got to get out for this. Things have gotten

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too hot.

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Speaker 9: You know Henry doesn't over the mouse. The countersis evident.

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Speaker 13: They haven't arrested him yet, and we can see that

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he doesn't talk on his way back here is sound

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with a bullet?

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Speaker 8: Yes, yes, let's get.

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Speaker 9: The car rather than meet.

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Speaker 17: Do you think hiding was suspicious of his.

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Speaker 9: Septible business man?

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Speaker 11: And I'm your innocent.

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Speaker 12: Don't let us trade in the warness. Let's take if

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we can do away with Henry.

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Speaker 7: Before he talks.

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Speaker 17: What that package by the chair right there?

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Speaker 9: Such a hurry? Forgot?

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Speaker 8: Wait a minute, the trick?

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Speaker 9: He said?

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Speaker 12: Everything we said?

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Speaker 20: Quick?

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Speaker 18: The car in the garage.

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Speaker 8: Don't stop for thin on.

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Speaker 9: Primate.

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Speaker 17: I'm starting this.

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Speaker 8: I'm afraid it won't go.

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Speaker 18: Yes, the distributor cap is missing, and I wouldn't move

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either one of you.

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Speaker 19: Two of my agents are in the back, and I

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have you covered.

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Speaker 6: Verry.

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Speaker 18: Next time you go to a theater to meet a man, Phillis,

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if you ever do, be sure and look around and

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see who's sitting in the seat behind you.

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Speaker 4: What my daughter has done is not bearing on me.

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Speaker 9: Why am I arrested?

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Speaker 18: Oh come, mister Laurence, you've been operating this factory on

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money supplied by Berlin.

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Speaker 8: You make parts for airplane motors.

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Speaker 18: So that your firm is close to many manufacturers and

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you have access to their plans.

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Speaker 8: Besides, he's not your daughter, Frouleine Grok.

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Speaker 9: Henry's responsible shot.

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Speaker 18: That's just what he did, killed himself when my men

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went to arrest him. Henry, Yes, Henry, your father.

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Speaker 6: We'll be back in just a moment to tell you

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about next week's exciting counter spy case.

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Speaker 8: But in the meantime, we.

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Speaker 6: Wish to call your attention to the government's urgent appeal

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for the conservation of gas for cooking and heating. Gas

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must be conserved for the following reasons. It is used

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for fuel by many industrial plants, which are now expanded

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to double or triple their normal peacetime size, and it

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is used widely in the manufacture of armor plates, gun barrels,

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and similar equipment, which must be hardened or molded extremely

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high temperatures. Because its flame is flear from impurities in

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the flame from coal or oil, Gas is used almost

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exclusively in these processes, and gas is in itself a

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raw material for certain products. Synthetic rubber, for example, an

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ammonium nitrate which is used in the manufacture of explosives.

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That is the why, and now here's the how of

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gas conservation. Don't use the kitchen range to heat the house.

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If you heat with gas, keep your house below sixty

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five degrees, cook with a low blue flame, use hot

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water sparingly.

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Speaker 4: Those are directions direct from Uncle Sam.

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Speaker 6: They may not sound as intriguing at an assignment to

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track down and capture enemy spies, but the conservation of

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gas practiced by millions of soldier citizens on the home

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front will be echoed in cheers of victory from our

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fighting men because the conservation of gas will help give

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them equipment and weapons they need. Next week, David Harding

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and counter Spy will be back with you again at

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the same time for the case of the trailed count,

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the society woman who talked too much, the highball glass

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served by waiter thirty seven, the man at the zoo,

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the long underwear at the railroad station, and the ultra

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polite third degree. That next week, the unusual counter by

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eleven days till Christmas, give the presents with the future,

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the greatest gifts of all, a share in America, Give

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war bonds and stamps.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back an interesting episode, and you're already seeing more

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of an evolution of the program where more of the

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program is Harding collecting data and information from the field,

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rather than being more hands on with everything as he

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was in some other episodes, although of course he came.

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Speaker 8: In at the end.

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Speaker 1: In terms of overall plots, I think this is relatively

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grounded in terms of what was possible. There had been

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Nazi sympathizers in the United States prior to the war,

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so the idea that some money had been sent over

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and was used to set someone up as a provider

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of war supplies, that seems really plausible, And of course

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it highlighted the fact that Harding was looking really strongly

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at things that federal agents might not generally check into,

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but would be concerned with because the person or someone

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involved had ties to the war effort. The direct involvement

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of the Gestapo here may have been a less believable

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element of the story, particularly given that the Gestapo was

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pretty sloppy, particularly the way that they that he failed

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to make that car crash look believable. But a lot

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of world more two stories had this sort of conflicting

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message where we have to be vigilant, we are dealing

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with absolute evil, and the only way that they can

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be stopped is by absolute dedication and vigilance.

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Speaker 9: But they're not all that brighte.

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Speaker 1: It's got of the tricky part of not making the

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enemy too impressive or overpowering, but also making them a

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little less competent. That would undermine your audiences belief in

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them as a threat if they only listen to and

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watched media portrayals. All right, listener comments and feedback. Now

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we've got a few on Counterspot and particularly the episode

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The Case of the Logan Burry Point Spy. We start

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with Harrison, who writes Captain Lawson sounds slightly like the

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Laugher from the old time radio Superman program. Also, there

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wasn't a cast listing, but Liza sure sounded like the

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type of character Virginia Greg would play. Well, Thanks so much, Harrison,

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and yeah, it was actually the same actor. I can

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tell the voice very distinctive. I've been looking for the

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name for years, but I was finally able to nail

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it down thanks to an episode of the Big Story.

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That's Craig McDonell lays a lot of old time radio roles.

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Very distinctive voice. He does have a bit of range,

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but you can tell when it's one of his, and

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so I'm thrilled to be able to credit him in

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his work. Now, as to the Virginia Greg comment, doctor

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who'd done it a Mechanic sixty picked up on the

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idea of this sounding a lot like a Virginia Greg character. However,

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Counterspy was made in New York, Virginia Greg worked out

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of Hollywood, So yeah, the while I would agree if

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this was on the West Coast, this would have been

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a perfect program for her to be cast in, but

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it would have been some other actress, and I don't

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know all of the New York actresses quite as well,

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and I do think there was maybe more of a

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rotation and sort of cross pollination with theater in the

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New York radio place. And then Mechanic sixty six also

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wrote all the fishing boats approaching the sub from all

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signs while shooting is the setup for some serious friendly fire.

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That is fair enough, and I think that would be

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a definite concern. I also think it would be fair

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to assume that, since these wasn't just a bunch of

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civilions striking out on their own, that the head of

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Counterspy was there, and that he would have provided some

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instructions and precautions against that potentiality, and that it was

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just not something that we heard on stage, and that's

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why we didn't end up hearing about a bunch of

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friendly fire in the wake of this incident, but it

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was something that would have needed to be addressed and

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a good point.

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