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<v Speaker 1>Hudson River Radio dot com. It beats listening to nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>My godness, be Frank. Where the only way to be

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<v Speaker 2>is Frank. Hello everyone, and welcome to being Frank. We're

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<v Speaker 2>the only way to be is Frank. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Leborne, and I'd like to thank you for joining

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<v Speaker 2>us on what we like to call the Intelligent Conversation

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast or No Conversations out of bounds and all points

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<v Speaker 2>of view are welcome. We go live to tape, as

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<v Speaker 2>I say, every week, and I give you the date

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<v Speaker 2>so you have some context of when we are recording this,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the seventeenth of September, and it's just about

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of Latin Hispanic Heritage Month, and that will

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<v Speaker 2>be our theme today. And with that mind, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to read you something that According to Ford's magazine, Spanish

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<v Speaker 2>is spoken by more than five hundred and fifty nine

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<v Speaker 2>million people globally. Of those, four hundred and sixty million

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<v Speaker 2>are native speakers, making Spanish the language with the second

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<v Speaker 2>largest population of native speakers in the world. Mandarin holds

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<v Speaker 2>the top title in the US. Thirteen percent of this

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<v Speaker 2>population speaks Spanish at home, earning it the title of

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<v Speaker 2>the most common non English language spoken. The US has

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<v Speaker 2>also the second largest population of Spanish speakers in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Very interesting, Mexico has the largest and the way the

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<v Speaker 2>data is trending. By twenty fifty, one in three people

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<v Speaker 2>in the US will speak Spanish. This data includes bilingual

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<v Speaker 2>people who will also speak English. But Spanish speaking implies

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<v Speaker 2>a monolith united by a common language. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>like saying that everyone who speaks English must be from

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<v Speaker 2>the same culture. While the Latin Hispanic diospa here is

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<v Speaker 2>as diverse as the many countries they come from. Even

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<v Speaker 2>the word Latin Hispanic has some meaning when we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that with our guest. In other words, not all

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<v Speaker 2>Latins are from Mexico. Like my guest, he arrived in

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<v Speaker 2>Queens from Peru when he was seven years old. That

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<v Speaker 2>was in nineteen sixty six. He lived there for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years before he moved to Brentwood, Long Island.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the eleventh grade, he moved with

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<v Speaker 2>his family to Fort Lauderdale, Florida, where he graduated high

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<v Speaker 2>school and lived for another year. After graduating high school

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty, he moved to New York City and

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<v Speaker 2>attended Parsons School of Design with dreams of being a photojournalist.

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<v Speaker 2>He did a lot of street photography and headshots during

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<v Speaker 2>this time and it had a blast being the house

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<v Speaker 2>photographer the Ritz in New York City for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years. In nineteen eighty two, he met the love

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<v Speaker 2>of his life, Gillaspi, and they married in nineteen eighty four.

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<v Speaker 2>They have two beautiful children, Nick and Nina, and three grandchildren, William,

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<v Speaker 2>Jack and Nico. He's been in the prime mortgage business

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<v Speaker 2>as a manager and loan officer for thirty five years,

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<v Speaker 2>currently with Prime Lending. He continues to make photographs, largely

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<v Speaker 2>for himself, and shoots events and portraits for local organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>George Pajovi's my friend. Thank you for joining us here

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<v Speaker 2>on being Frank.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Frank, thanks for having me. I'm honored to

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<v Speaker 1>be a guest.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I mentioned in the intro and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get into your background also like growing up for

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<v Speaker 2>the seven years, your memories, et cetera. Before that, I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the whole idea of Hispanic and Latin. Now

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<v Speaker 2>they use the term LATINX. It's very broad and people

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand there's connotation between all of those things. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's often used as a broad term Hispanic for all

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<v Speaker 2>Spanish speaking people, particularly in this country, but Hispanic has

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<v Speaker 2>a particular meaning and location, if you will, that's specific

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<v Speaker 2>to a particular group of Spanish speaking people. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the root of this, the idea that of making

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<v Speaker 2>that Spanish speaking is multicultural, it's not a monolith. But

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<v Speaker 2>your thoughts on that please.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I often.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Answer people ask what's the difference between Hispanic Latino and

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<v Speaker 1>those two terms are actually called ethnonymes, and they used

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<v Speaker 1>to refer to refer collectively to the inhabitants of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. That's that either are Spanish or Latin America.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Hispanic directly means that you come from a Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>speaking country or continent South America, with the exclusion of Brazil, Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>Central America, and particularly Spain, so that's Hispanic. Latin America

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<v Speaker 1>is includes Brazil and Portugal. So everything is Latin America,

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<v Speaker 1>but Hispanic is everything but Brazil and Portugal.

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<v Speaker 2>That's another way of doing it, Yeah, clarifying, but it

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<v Speaker 2>gets We tend to, I guess maybe for ease, tend

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<v Speaker 2>to paint with a broader brush. But it's much more

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<v Speaker 2>flex and diverse than that's our point, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, you know somewhere somebody decided to make it a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more complicated. But and the term LATINX I

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<v Speaker 1>love it because because Spanish, like French and all the

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<v Speaker 1>romantic languages have a gender attached to words, Latino or

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<v Speaker 1>Latina very often is misused. So someone along the line

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<v Speaker 1>they said latinx. So that way you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>refer to someone who identifies as a man as a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>or vice versa. So I think that that was a

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<v Speaker 1>smart move by somebody's part.

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<v Speaker 2>So once again, words count. I mean, you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>throw their hands up in the oh, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>remember this. Well, it's not so hard and it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not learn it exactly right? Words matter? Words matter,

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<v Speaker 1>There's no doubt about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So George, let's get back to a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>your life. And you mentioned you you're from Peru. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to know where and what it was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>your memories are growing up there at the time that

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<v Speaker 2>was I assumed the late fifties early sixties, and you

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<v Speaker 2>lived there to you were seven. Tell us a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about your life there, where you were living how

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<v Speaker 2>you were living well.

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<v Speaker 1>I was born in fifty eight, in December fifty eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was born into a very privileged family in Peru.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time. My father, my grandfather, was the mayor

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<v Speaker 1>of an area of Lima called Remac And it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like comparable to let's say, in New York City, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And my grandfather was like the mayor of Queen's.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the borough president if you will, in our town

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<v Speaker 2>to be like, okay, it's sort of like an assemblyman

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<v Speaker 2>or right, right, Okay, Yeah, he was an academy, a mayor,

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<v Speaker 1>So we looved a very nice, nice life. My if

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<v Speaker 1>you look, I look at pictures, I wish I would

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<v Speaker 1>have pulled one. It's a kind of a family, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>We always get together for dinner. The family is always

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was very If you look at an

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<v Speaker 1>old photo, it looks like an Italian sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>KOs and Austra family and sitting around and all the

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<v Speaker 1>guys that were in suits looking a little a little

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous and uh. But those were the created the heady

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<v Speaker 1>days for us. We lived in a beautiful home, had

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of you know, servants if you will, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people that took care of us, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had avocado trees in the back. So but that was

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<v Speaker 1>only that that was very short lived. Not long after that,

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<v Speaker 1>my grandfather didn't get re elected, I guess, so he

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<v Speaker 1>went back into his old insurance. And around that time,

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<v Speaker 1>my when I was born, my my mother and my

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<v Speaker 1>father didn't were separated when I was by one. They

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't hit it off too well. So I lived

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<v Speaker 1>with my grandparents, uh and my three other aunts. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was four women, my grandparents and myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Well extended family all in this all in this which

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<v Speaker 2>is also very Latin, and I want to make clear

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<v Speaker 2>I'm one of the original Latins Italian and you and

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned that the language is the similarities, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>the family traditions even mentioned in the photographs, So I

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<v Speaker 2>understand that Italian Latins often live in extended families as

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<v Speaker 2>as yours did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what's changed over the many

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<v Speaker 1>years is that the the the the elders are no

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<v Speaker 1>longer really as as revered as as they were I

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<v Speaker 1>think in the old days. I mean, we all love

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<v Speaker 1>our grandparents, our parents, but we all break up and separate,

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<v Speaker 1>and unlike in Peru or other countries, they're still very

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<v Speaker 1>hell very closely tight, very tight knit. So we live.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom separated, so I had to live with my

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<v Speaker 1>my grandparents, and then when I was about three and

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<v Speaker 1>a half, my mother came to the States by herself.

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<v Speaker 1>So I stayed behind from the age of about three

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<v Speaker 1>to seven, and I was raised by my three beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>was quite spoiled, to say the least, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>came here later on three and a half years later.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom had already kind of met someone and they

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<v Speaker 1>had gotten married, and so they started creating a family.

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<v Speaker 1>I was obviously part of it. I have three other

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<v Speaker 1>siblings that are from her husband's side. So I was

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<v Speaker 1>there in Queens for We were there in Queens for

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<v Speaker 1>another two years, and then we went to Long Island.

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<v Speaker 1>But after the eleventh grade, I actually moved down to

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<v Speaker 1>Florida by myself. Her husband and I did not hit

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<v Speaker 1>actually moved to my aunt's aunts home down in Florida

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<v Speaker 1>and Fort Lauderdale, and I graduated high school there.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, I want to bring you up to speed,

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<v Speaker 2>but a couple of days before we go passage, So

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<v Speaker 2>you were kind of living, it's fair to say, in

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<v Speaker 2>almost an idyllic life in Peru. And again this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean about people painting with such a broad

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<v Speaker 2>brush in today's status with migrants, to all desperate people

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<v Speaker 2>going through the jungle, you were far from a desperate

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<v Speaker 2>person at that point. You were living well, so that

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<v Speaker 2>has to be made. But also as a young person,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say, young man, a boy of seven,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a shock to you, George, being pulled out.

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<v Speaker 2>If you could, you because I wanted to share that

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<v Speaker 2>this is part of the immigrant experience. It's it's too

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<v Speaker 2>broad to just say it's this way, So I want

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<v Speaker 2>to know a little bit about your way. So you're

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<v Speaker 2>pulled out idyllic life in Peru to come to America,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to I want to know what were your expectations?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you thinking? What were you what were you feeling

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<v Speaker 2>to be It's hard for anyone to be pulled out

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<v Speaker 2>of what they're familiar with. Now you've got a completely

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<v Speaker 2>different country culture. If you can, what were you thinking

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<v Speaker 2>at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's it's hard to remember way back, but I

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<v Speaker 1>remember you know I had experiences of having the shock

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<v Speaker 1>of really because I didn't speak English, I got popped writing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a second grade, I believe, And I don't recall

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<v Speaker 1>the any no trauma. I remember getting lost because I

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<v Speaker 1>had to walk to school. Walk to school was only

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<v Speaker 1>maybe four or five blocks away, and you have to

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<v Speaker 1>put your name on your tag. And I got lost.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember that pretty much because I was pretty scared.

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<v Speaker 1>I was walking on I guess I made a wrong turn.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm walking around and I actually got delivered to my house,

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<v Speaker 1>to my honitor apartment by a mailman. He saw that

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<v Speaker 1>I was lost. He came up to me and I

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<v Speaker 1>showed him my address and he threw me in his

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<v Speaker 2>And I was story, if you will, really.

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<v Speaker 1>That was his biggest delivery of the day. But I

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<v Speaker 2>Know, so hustling away, Jo, you know, yeah again, And

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very interesting perspective. And I'm so pleased that

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a universal thing. My Sicilian grandparents leaving oppression,

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<v Speaker 2>and it seems to be a rather typical experience for most.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's again, it's not all as you were saying.

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<v Speaker 2>It really wasn't that kind of situation. But did you

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<v Speaker 2>or it was far from your thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>As far from me. I was struggling with the language.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember this was nineteen sixty six. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, in Portchester is a big Peruvian population. Patterson,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just remember having a lot of fun. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't you know. We when we moved out to Long Island.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was more of a big change for

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<v Speaker 2>And basically even in in Peru. And you describe yourself

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the city. We were in the city, and it

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I I acclimated pretty quickly, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was it that was a nice experience, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>My only my only conflict was I the family dynamic

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<v Speaker 1>I always wanted to make a buck, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>a job with Sears, and I got, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>into a business that I'm actually in right now, which

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<v Speaker 1>is credit financials. I was a credit authorizer at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of seventeen. I was approving people's refrigerators and washing machines.

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<v Speaker 2>And you come along the way. Now you get the

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<v Speaker 2>whole package. If you go to George, you get all

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that surrounds the refrigerator.

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<v Speaker 1>That house to I e.

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<v Speaker 2>The house, you can have the house. Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia Marden was a nice. God please continue, an I

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<v Speaker 2>mean to cut you up.

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<v Speaker 1>So Florida was a nice I was also another shock

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<v Speaker 1>because suddenly I was in the tropics again, which made

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<v Speaker 1>me feel comfortable because I was really back into the

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<v Speaker 1>temperature that I was used to.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, let's talk about those adjustments. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>fair enough. I mean, I always teach people as the secilia.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the hot weather. It's genetic, whether it history

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<v Speaker 2>it isn't. I tell people it is, I do. But

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<v Speaker 2>there is often something to that. If you're you're born

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<v Speaker 2>to it literally And one of the reasons you were

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<v Speaker 2>successful in places it is because your genes allow you

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<v Speaker 2>to be so so beyond that, what what what other

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<v Speaker 2>things that were adjustments for you? You mentioned the language, you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't speak really any English till you got here. Climate.

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<v Speaker 2>What else? Is there anything else in your mind that

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<v Speaker 2>sticks out you really had to adjust.

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<v Speaker 1>To when we when we started talking about coming on.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, coming on, I kind of thought about it

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<v Speaker 1>is that there was a time and even sometimes now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think probably from my late teens to my twenties thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>is that I've sometimes felt like a man with no

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<v Speaker 1>man's land because I I, obviously I don't have much

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<v Speaker 1>of a Spanish accent. Some people claim they hear it

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<v Speaker 1>in my voice. I don't think I've heard recordings of

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<v Speaker 1>my voice. I don't hear it, but I I moving there.

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<v Speaker 2>Fluent. Your Spanish is still I'm still fluent.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I hear more of an English accent in

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<v Speaker 1>my Spanish. But my my, my feeling has always been

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, I never really I've always as far

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<v Speaker 1>as racism is concerned, because I never really saw myself

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<v Speaker 1>as It's not that I always identified as Latino or Peruvian.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't see yourself when you're looking out

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes, right, so I don't. I never saw the

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<v Speaker 1>shade of my skin per se. But there are there

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<v Speaker 1>are times that I felt the racism just basically from

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<v Speaker 1>my looks throughout throughout my life because people kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like when they meet me, they oh, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have an accent at all. Well, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>here since I was six seven years old, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of anyway, thanks, thank you very much. Will you.

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<v Speaker 1>When you move somewhere before puberty? Uh, From what I

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<v Speaker 1>understand is you you acclimate and assimilate much quicker, especially

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<v Speaker 1>verbally editorial.

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<v Speaker 2>We always adapt better to languages when we're younger. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt about that exactly. Friends that came here, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>please cut you off. But I have friends that came here,

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<v Speaker 2>came here and there in their late teens, and they

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<v Speaker 2>still have an accent.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's really that that very sensitive and tender period

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<v Speaker 1>of puberty or you know, right in the middle of it,

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<v Speaker 1>where you assimilate much faster.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me to a question that it's why I

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<v Speaker 2>was jumping in. I get so excited popped into my head.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, that's what part of being frank is is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, screwing up and jumping on people. But be that,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk a little bit about language. That

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that happened in our family as

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<v Speaker 2>Sicilian Americans, my grandfather forbid them to speak Italian or

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<v Speaker 2>Sicilian in the household to assimilate more quickly. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>of the ilk, well, why couldn't have we done both?

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<v Speaker 2>It seems much more important these days, certainly amongst Latin

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<v Speaker 2>X people, to to preserve the language. Your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>that do you like? For example, have you passed it

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<v Speaker 2>on to your children? Do your children speak Spanish at all?

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<v Speaker 1>My thoughts on that are yes, If if one of

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<v Speaker 1>your one one person speaks Spanish or another language wherever

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<v Speaker 1>it is, French, Russian, whatever it is is, they should

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<v Speaker 1>definitely pas at all. Now I married an American woman

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<v Speaker 1>who did not speak Spanish. Okay, so my tendency was

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<v Speaker 1>obviously unfortunately not to speak Spanish to my kids. But

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<v Speaker 1>as time went on and they were a little older.

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<v Speaker 1>I did try to get that across to them, and

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<v Speaker 1>my daughter, who had an interest in it, learned Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>and went on to speak at more. My son a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. My daughter's turning forty this year. My son's

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three, and my daughter is a I would say

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<v Speaker 1>like a non for profit human rights attorney. She's been

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<v Speaker 1>doing a lot of stuff for organizations. She currently works

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<v Speaker 1>for every Town, the gun safety organization. She's SILL one

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<v Speaker 1>of their chief attorneys. So prior to that, she was

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<v Speaker 1>with NILAG, which helped helped a lot of immigrants, especially

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<v Speaker 1>during times when they were it got really heated up politically.

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<v Speaker 1>So she really her Spanish really picked up, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to pass that on to her kids. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm a big believer and definitely preserving the language.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand where people were coming from where they say no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, don't speak, don't speak the language at home,

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<v Speaker 1>because they wanted the kids to assimilate and succeed. What

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't think is that what they didn't think of

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<v Speaker 1>is missing out on the that the language is a

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<v Speaker 1>connection back to your country. Because when I go when

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<v Speaker 1>I went back to Peru, and I've gotten back a

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<v Speaker 1>lot since.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I went back, one of my questions, how

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<v Speaker 2>often do you go back?

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect I didn't go back again. I went back when

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<v Speaker 1>I was ten with my with my mom and her

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<v Speaker 1>husband and I think at that time my sister. But

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<v Speaker 1>then I didn't go back again until I was twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was a shock to me because it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was a culture shock because I hadn't been there

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<v Speaker 1>really as an adult. So it since since I left,

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<v Speaker 1>But I've been back many many times since, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have reassimilated almost back to Peru that when I go back,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of funny. My Spanish improves and then I

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<v Speaker 1>start dreaming in Spanish. It's kind of weird. So it's, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, good, good segue. What are some of the traditions

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<v Speaker 2>that you've kept in your family? And I just said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Joe will bring her own as a as

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<v Speaker 2>an english woman, but you have yours. What have you

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<v Speaker 2>kept any which ones do would you like to pass

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<v Speaker 2>down to your children? Are there any traditions from the

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<v Speaker 2>old country left say that you've that you've kept.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, frankly, there aren't too many, too many traditions. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I the only tradition I do try to cook Peruvian food,

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<v Speaker 1>which is very well thought of in in the culinary world.

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<v Speaker 2>Pressure here in Nayak that I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Mars is a very good place. The thing about Peru

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<v Speaker 1>in the culinary world is that it it in its narrowness,

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<v Speaker 1>you can grow and have ninety eight percent of what's

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<v Speaker 1>grown in the world. It's very rich. It's got a coastline,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got mountains, it's got the jungle, it's got rainforest,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's every type of food available. So that's why

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<v Speaker 1>it's that's why it's it's highly thought of culinary wise.

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<v Speaker 1>It's high in minerals, gold, so it's a very rich country. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>politically it's always had some problems. But the tradition, the

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<v Speaker 1>only tradition I think I've tried to keep is that

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas when in Peru and some other South American countries, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they wake up the kids at midnight, and which has

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<v Speaker 1>its pros and cons. They open their present and say

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<v Speaker 1>you pretend Santa Claus just left, and they wake up

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<v Speaker 1>and they open their gifts. They stay up till like

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<v Speaker 1>three in the morning. Then they pass out and they

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<v Speaker 1>probably sleep till noon, which I kind of like that

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<v Speaker 1>versus having them wake up in the morning and causing

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of chaos. But no, so, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've given up on that and we do it in

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<v Speaker 1>the mornings. We did it in the mornings with the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>So tradition wise, other than that, there aren't too many

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<v Speaker 1>traditions really. You know, we celebrate Independence Day when we can,

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<v Speaker 1>and we go out for a Peruvian meal.

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<v Speaker 2>But what is typical Peruvian meal? I know there's a seafood,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a big part. What would would one consider as

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<v Speaker 2>a typical Peruvian dish?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like I said, they have all types, so from

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<v Speaker 1>seafood to meats. Sevice Is is very famous in Peru,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, typically a really good whitefish marinated

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<v Speaker 1>in lime and and spices, and they make this thing

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<v Speaker 1>called tiger's milk that it marinates in and that's delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>Typically you have that in by the beach lomo, which

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of a Peruvian stirfry if you will. They

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<v Speaker 1>have all kinds of uh seafood chupe come own, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a sort of a stew a buja base if

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<v Speaker 1>you will, with shrimp it's really nice. So, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>food is amazing. If you ever go to Peru, the

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<v Speaker 1>thing you'll come back with is, especially in the city,

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<v Speaker 1>is it's it's it's vibrant, you know, restaurants, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Me one more question and take a quick break. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but when you go back, what would you say to

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<v Speaker 2>people if I wanted to visit Peru? One, two or three?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't miss things? Should anyone go to Peru? In your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>What you know? What are some of the things when

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<v Speaker 2>you got to go here, you got you should see this,

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<v Speaker 2>that or whatever? Give us two, three, four whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go to Husco and then go to Matri Petru.

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<v Speaker 1>Matri Petri is the city, the lost city of the Incas.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been there three times. I've been there from when

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<v Speaker 1>I was by myself at twenty three. Later with my

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<v Speaker 1>son when he was in his early twenties, we went

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<v Speaker 1>on a trip together. And then about four years ago

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<v Speaker 1>with my wife and we did in Contrail with my son.

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<v Speaker 1>We hiked from Pusco all the way down up up

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<v Speaker 1>to you go up, you started about eight thousand feet,

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<v Speaker 1>you go up to about fourteen and then you get

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<v Speaker 1>back down to around ten thousand feet. It's it's quite

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<v Speaker 1>a nice trek and it took three three nights, four

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<v Speaker 1>days and three nights. Uh, you've got to do that

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<v Speaker 1>if you're in if you're in hiking mode. There's all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of there's the lines of Nasca, which are huge

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<v Speaker 1>sort of drawings in the sand that are made that

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<v Speaker 1>are made of they're carved into the side of the

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<v Speaker 1>mountain that they claim it was it was really guided

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<v Speaker 1>by extraterrestrials because back then in the fourteenth thirteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of thought of impossible to do. Matria

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<v Speaker 1>Peata is amazing because you have walls that you just

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<v Speaker 1>can't understand how they how they joined these giant, giant

463
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<v Speaker 1>boulders and carved them to meet without you can't put up,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't put a razor blade in between. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>these these rocks were brought from many, many kilometers away,

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<v Speaker 1>so they still don't understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's certainly it's certainly on my bucket list.

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<v Speaker 1>George, you know what, Yeah, you gotta go.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it just sparked all of a sudden, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, and it didn't come to the forefront of

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<v Speaker 2>my thinking. I have to be fair ty Peru with

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<v Speaker 2>batch of Pechu, the World Heritage Sites, it's just spectacular

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<v Speaker 2>the Incas. To talk a little bit about the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, part of your lineage linkage is is

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<v Speaker 2>dates back to this incredible civilization. What does that mean

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<v Speaker 2>to a Peruvian to know that there is this dual connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously that the Spanish influence the language, there also ties

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<v Speaker 2>back to the indigenous people in Peru, the Incas. It's

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<v Speaker 2>got to mean something, I would think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's kind of a double led

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<v Speaker 1>sword because there's still descendants from the Incas in Peru

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<v Speaker 1>that speak Quichua. That's the language. It's an indigenous language

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<v Speaker 1>and it unfortunately, they're seen as peasants there. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Unfortunately, just like everyone in the.

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<v Speaker 2>World, there's a lot of strategy cast and strategies, races.

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<v Speaker 1>Poverty is the poverty, unfortunately is heartbreaking. So I May

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<v Speaker 1>I did a trip with my cousin who had organized

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<v Speaker 1>a trip one time or Christmas, and literally an hour

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<v Speaker 1>outside of Lima. They're living in poor people which are

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<v Speaker 1>people that sell stuff on the street. They live in

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<v Speaker 1>what's called new towns. Honestly, Porblovites free towns where they've

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<v Speaker 1>just taken a whole area hill and they've built shanty towns, shacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and over time the government has helped out a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe put electricity or now delivers potable water. But we

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<v Speaker 1>went out there and we fed about I think about

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred kids a meal after Christmas, like a Christmas meal,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just totally totally heartbreaking. I've been meaning to

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<v Speaker 1>post some of those shots. It's it's a long long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago that we did, I think probably fifteen years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is there is still descendants from from that.

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<v Speaker 1>But they live they really live near Cusco, outside outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the city and it's beautiful. They're they're very talented.

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<v Speaker 1>They do a lot of things with tapestries and with

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<v Speaker 1>wool you know, with the woolf from the alpaca and

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<v Speaker 1>the lama and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's it's it's it's a worthwhile trip. I

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<v Speaker 1>tell anybody that that can go, definitely do it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're the one thing that I want to point

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<v Speaker 1>out to you there. The the Peruvian liquor is called

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<v Speaker 1>pisco p i s c o. It's like there tequila, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>which is made from actual grapes and raisins and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and so if you go to Peru, you got to

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<v Speaker 1>have an authentic pisco sour, which is like a whiskey sour,

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<v Speaker 1>but made with piso, the only one.

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<v Speaker 2>George, Now between talking about the food and yeah and

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<v Speaker 2>the booze, now I'm hungry the we better make the

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<v Speaker 2>break here, George. All right, great, we're fresh ourselves. We're gonna,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna, we will take a little break here. My

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<v Speaker 2>guest is George Pejovi's. We're celebrating LATINX Heritage Month. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a few more serious questions and we'll continue to have

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<v Speaker 2>some more fun with my guest, George Pejovis. Don't go away.

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<v Speaker 2>don't you if you feel I could share our program.

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<v Speaker 2>My very special guest tonight is George Pejovis and we're

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<v Speaker 2>celebrating LATINX Heritage Month. George, let's get back into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the big things facing all of us, A huge

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<v Speaker 2>election issue in a very divided nation, and an extremely

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<v Speaker 2>important election is the border, Okay, and migration at the border,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly as it applies to Spanish speaking people, although there

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<v Speaker 2>is an influx of many different people at the border. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>what is? What are some of your thoughts on what's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly as a LATINX American.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, you know, my my impression on this

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<v Speaker 1>is that the the fear mongering of the of people

554
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<v Speaker 1>coming from trying to come to this country for a

555
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<v Speaker 1>better life is is successive. It's it's too much of

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<v Speaker 1>too much fear where and what what what what hurts

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<v Speaker 1>me or bothers me is that people for get that

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<v Speaker 1>we are all immigrants or sons of immigrants or daughters

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<v Speaker 1>of immigrants unless you're a Native American, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the really the border cross stew you didn't cross

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<v Speaker 1>the border.

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<v Speaker 2>We abuse them so so much for that, right George, But.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly exactly and what what and what it does

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<v Speaker 1>irk me? But I'm not sure. I know that people

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to come here for a better life from

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<v Speaker 1>without getting into too deep of a discussion about it,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there are a lot of Central American countries,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of cartels and gang warfare that that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes has been created by certain policies that we had

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<v Speaker 1>in the past and are and people are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of there and they're victims of sometimes of

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<v Speaker 1>the policies that have were created in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>So people did a little research realize that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>very often people want to come here, not just because

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<v Speaker 1>it's streets of paper gold, it's out of saving lives.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't remember why your parents came here,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's legally or illegally, it doesn't really matter it really.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it does concern me that we do need

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<v Speaker 1>better policies, better control, but I think things also get

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<v Speaker 1>out of control, and there is no perfect situation. It

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't been perfect for many, many administrations. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that we have to tackle it. But obviously, recently a

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<v Speaker 1>bill was put together and put in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>House and it was turned down, and it is apparently

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most conservative, you know, immigration bills, drafted

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<v Speaker 1>primarily by a Republican and you know, Donald Trump called

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<v Speaker 1>his boys and said, let's let's I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>knock it down because it's not going to help me

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you do something good under the Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's pretty sad that it's gotten that that contentious,

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<v Speaker 1>and frankly, you could say.

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<v Speaker 2>Something to Donald Trump and you know, let's say he

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<v Speaker 2>is the instigator. Certainly is the top of the pyramid,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will he's he's got enough people supporting him

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<v Speaker 2>from below and using this issue as a cudgel. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned, and I think most thinking, rational, reasonable

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<v Speaker 2>people realize that there has to be some border control. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>there has to be some policy.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>But the idea of deporting these mass deportations and and

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<v Speaker 2>all of these people coming or rapists and and feeding

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<v Speaker 2>the flames of fear. If you had an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>to speak to a man like that, directly to Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>what might you say.

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<v Speaker 1>Get a life, take go, take your go, take your billions,

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<v Speaker 1>and go enjoy yourself. Because you're not a good administrator,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I just think that that he at this

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<v Speaker 1>point is just running to stay out of jail. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>face it. But I really think the man has serious

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<v Speaker 1>emotional and psychological issues. And but in as far as

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<v Speaker 1>really this is concerned, is that everybody needs the help

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<v Speaker 1>out here. If you if you deported eleven million people,

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<v Speaker 1>no one would be able to take care of children

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<v Speaker 1>after school, No one would be able to run the restaurants,

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<v Speaker 1>No about be able to cut your grass, landscape, your property,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, serve you, you know, just look around. Primarily

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<v Speaker 1>that that labor force is immigrant population, undocumented or undocumented.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody is illegal. We're all legal human being. We're just

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<v Speaker 1>either document or not documented. And those reasons are varied,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the people are. You know, there's all grays.

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening in this country is would you black and white?

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<v Speaker 1>It's this or that. We don't understand that there is

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<v Speaker 1>there's nuance and there are people that are suffering. And

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<v Speaker 1>if that was your family or your parents, would you

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<v Speaker 1>would you do that to them? You know, they just

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<v Speaker 1>people to have. The lack of empathy that has has

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<v Speaker 1>been created for the last ten years is mind boggling.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we just don't work with that, with that

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<v Speaker 1>emotion anymore. That's my opinion about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Georgie, And that's a good segue into my next question.

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<v Speaker 2>You really are about service, and I'm just not feeding

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<v Speaker 2>your enormous ego. You know, we have competing people can't

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<v Speaker 2>see it, but you're laughing, and I'm glad.

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<v Speaker 1>That you A little bit of ego doesn't hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of I make no bones about it, George.

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<v Speaker 2>But having a healthy ego.

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<v Speaker 1>Is about I noticed your name.

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed your name is in the title of your program,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's yeh, little things like you notice that, George,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just you notice it's done deliberately for what it's worth.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do want to say and and it's the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I when I put out a little promo

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<v Speaker 2>about you appearing, and how many people say, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>love George, and I love because you're all about service

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<v Speaker 2>in what you do for a living, uh, in your

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<v Speaker 2>mortgage company, but also what you do with your passion,

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00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:39.880
<v Speaker 2>your photography, your involvement with organizations like people to people.

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<v Speaker 2>You've organized a cornhole tournament up with the Redborne Sidary

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<v Speaker 2>which raised a lot of money. You're always there for

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<v Speaker 2>people in so many ways. Talk a little bit about that, George.

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<v Speaker 2>Why that's important to you, Well, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's doing to others type of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not, I'm not. I'm a religious person. I do

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<v Speaker 1>believe in the Golden Rule, you know, and we're all.

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<v Speaker 1>This is another thing I would tell Donald is that

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't do it all. Pal. You're on somebody's shoulders. Everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody wherever they are are there because somebody helped them out,

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody gave them a break, somebody gave them a job,

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody lent them some money, somebody inherited some money, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>did something for them. So I you know the little

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<v Speaker 1>bit listen, I'm my means are not limitless, but what

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<v Speaker 1>I can do I try to do if I can

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<v Speaker 1>fit it in you know, my schedule, or do whatever

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<v Speaker 1>I can. I've been fortunate for the last thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>years to be in the home finance business. I diverted

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<v Speaker 1>from becoming afforded journalists because suddenly I had a family

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<v Speaker 1>and to support, and back in the eighties, becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>photographer would have taken would have taken a big toll

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<v Speaker 1>on my relationship and in my family. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being a rock and roll photographer and a dad is

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't really blend too well for long periods of time,

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<v Speaker 1>not for long periods of time. But I I just

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<v Speaker 1>believe in in helping out whenever I can, because if

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<v Speaker 1>you know you have enough, you know, take what you

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<v Speaker 1>need to leave the rest, you know, and create and create,

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<v Speaker 1>try to create a little bit of happiness wherever you can,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's so much easier to do that than the

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<v Speaker 1>results of doing that is so much better than creating havoc.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know, I can be a very grumpy guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get me wrong, but I uh, I try to

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<v Speaker 1>I try to look at things have full and try

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<v Speaker 1>to help out whenever I can. And these organizations have

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<v Speaker 1>been good to me. They've hired me for these a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of their their events. You know, I obviously don't

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<v Speaker 1>charge them well too much, but so I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get them. I wanted to get something back to them.

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<v Speaker 1>So these cornhole tournaments that we did, we did, We're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it biannually, we're doing it again next year. It

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<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to get back to the organizations that

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<v Speaker 1>help help the community because they're they're small organizations that

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of good. You know, people to people,

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<v Speaker 1>Pride Center for Safety and Change in the Nayac Center,

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<v Speaker 1>which is probably the smallest, really old community center that

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<v Speaker 1>help children, families that are are not a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>heavy means and help them out as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>So that really I'll see you. I'll see you at

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<v Speaker 2>good Fest, which is coming up, the big Absolutely we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a fundraiser for People to people we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about that's a great event. Some final thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>so called LATINX Hispanic heritage. Any final thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, there's a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Latinos and Hispanics that have contributed in every field and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, politics and fashion and entertainment arts that have

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<v Speaker 1>shaped the world. And I just think it's important, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>in this kind of when they have these months of celebration,

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<v Speaker 1>is to remember that everybody plays a part in this

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<v Speaker 1>mosaic that we have in this world. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>demonize any one of them, you're demonizing everyone. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't live without immigrants, we can't live without you know,

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<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ people. We cannot survive in this community because they

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<v Speaker 1>are an integral part of our cultural survival. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like suddenly saying, hey, doctors are bad, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of doctors. No, They're an integral part of our community.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, because you have one bad doctor who maybe

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<v Speaker 1>committed crimes or whatever doesn't sweep the entire broad brush

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<v Speaker 1>of everybody. So I think it's important that everybody just

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<v Speaker 1>takes a breath and says, you know, why am I

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<v Speaker 1>being such a you know jerk, Let's let me think

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<v Speaker 1>this is through. And I've had moments of that that

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, everybody has sometimes a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>of of discrimination, you know, because they have an experience,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think everybody's got to work it through and

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<v Speaker 1>try to understand each other.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all it is, you know, like a family, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like one one great big thing. It's a very Latin thing,

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<v Speaker 2>as I mentioned, you know, being exactly one of the

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<v Speaker 2>original lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll have our dysfunctional our dysfunctional relative and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>it's yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to laugh a man of my partners, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you should do well, one of the ancestry, one of

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<v Speaker 2>those ancestry things. And I said, I'm a Sicilian. The

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<v Speaker 2>thing will be thirty six pages long. So we're all well,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we're all a little bit of everybody, George.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess maybe that's my finnell.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all we're all one little piece of the puzzle.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's take it easy on ourselves, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, George, I want to I really want to thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for being frank with your with your intelligent conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I get all my little flights in there, but really,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks George. Been a lot of fun and well.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope I I hope I made it under the

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<v Speaker 1>bar of intelligence. But I really appreciate you having me

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<v Speaker 1>on I appreciate what you do. You really you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have great conversations about about important things, so.

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<v Speaker 2>That means that means a lot to me. It really does.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course we offer special thanks to our listeners

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<v Speaker 2>who take time to give us a voice in their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we offer fresh topic every week and you

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<v Speaker 2>can catch us wherever and whenever you get your favorite podcasts.

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00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.000
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<v Speaker 2>Leave us a comment and you can. We ask you

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<v Speaker 2>to consider sharing being frank with others. You know, always

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<v Speaker 2>leave you with two last little nuggets I called them

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<v Speaker 2>and George mentioned the great contributions that latinos Latin X

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<v Speaker 2>people have made, including in the world of fashion. And

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<v Speaker 2>this one is a good one. I think it's broad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a broad statement for everybody. It's from Oscar de

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<v Speaker 2>la Rena and he said, your great strength is knowing

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<v Speaker 2>who you are, simple, direct and important, and I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have some music too from Bobby Deblasio

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<v Speaker 2>with l Dento again a Latin language Italian also happens

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<v Speaker 2>to be. As I said, all Latin romance based language

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<v Speaker 2>is they share a lot for our engineer Neil Richter.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your host, Frank Lobono, and we hope to have

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<v Speaker 2>you join us on the next being Frank, We're the

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<v Speaker 2>only way to be is Frank. Thanks everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to break my silence. I had to come

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<v Speaker 1>clean without being facetious, trying not to sound me. I

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<v Speaker 1>told her that I loved her. I told her that

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<v Speaker 1>I love gone.

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<v Speaker 2>When I told her that I loved her, she told

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<v Speaker 2>me that she loved me. And so you could have

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<v Speaker 2>knocked me over with a feather.

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<v Speaker 1>She was going like a June briant, like a ship

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<v Speaker 1>been stormy weather. I was terrified when I told.

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<v Speaker 3>Her that I loved her.

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<v Speaker 1>I told her that I had never gone. When I

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<v Speaker 1>told her that I loved her.

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<v Speaker 2>She told me that she loved me. So, mother Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>love can go.

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<v Speaker 1>Long word.

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<v Speaker 3>Where the ring good thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Saying there's rice way now of that Confetti's drinking, wondering

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<v Speaker 1>what I've done. I should have kept my silence. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta run because I told her that I loved

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<v Speaker 1>I told her that I love.

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<v Speaker 2>When I told her that I loved her, she told me.

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<v Speaker 1>That she loved me. So tell me where there's the

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<v Speaker 1>time go away?

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<v Speaker 2>Does it go? Tell me where just the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ohway does it go? Tell me where.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the time?

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<v Speaker 3>Go oh way.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it go? Tell me where that's the time?

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<v Speaker 1>Go oh way.

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<v Speaker 3>Does it go?

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<v Speaker 2>This is Hudson River Radio dot com.