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<v Speaker 2>And Welcome to another episode of PWT Talks and x T.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your host for the evening, Nate Lindberg. Check the

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be an interesting show tonight because he was

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<v Speaker 2>able to do the report but not able to do

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<v Speaker 2>the show and about oh.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Five ten minutes before it was time to do the

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<v Speaker 2>show or to watch NXT tonight, I'm on call and

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<v Speaker 2>I had to jump on a zoom call and take

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<v Speaker 2>care of some business until about a minute before Kendall

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<v Speaker 2>got her head busted open, So I had things on

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<v Speaker 2>in the background.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw most of what was going on, but couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>really pay attention.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm here to kind of host the show tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and the man to talk about everything is our guy,

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<v Speaker 2>the Professor Kevin Pikatany PhD. Kevin, thanks for filling in

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<v Speaker 2>for Kelly tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>Man.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm so honored to be here. I'm ready to ready

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<v Speaker 5>to help shepherd the show to a successful run here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I mean, I'm sure I'll still have things to

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<v Speaker 2>say and talk about and whatnot and bustle.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, if you didn't check it out, I was able

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<v Speaker 2>to host Wrestling Night in America for SummerSlam Night two,

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<v Speaker 2>So if you haven't checked that out yet, go and

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<v Speaker 2>check it out and see what Paul Waggle and I

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<v Speaker 2>had to say all about SummerSlam. But tonight it's NXT.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm back in the NXT seat. Holy crap, Kendall Gray

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<v Speaker 2>got busted open in that main event. So Kevin and

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<v Speaker 2>I were talking for a little bit before went on

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<v Speaker 2>the air. I'm pretty sure it was an ear drum

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<v Speaker 2>or something along those lines. There's right after the ref

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<v Speaker 2>started wiping the blood away.

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<v Speaker 4>From her ear.

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<v Speaker 2>The first time you can kind of see it. I

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<v Speaker 2>went back to double check, and I'm pretty sure I

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<v Speaker 2>saw blood just pouring out of her ear canal.

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<v Speaker 4>So a little scary. I hope she's okay. Obviously, they

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<v Speaker 4>let her go.

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<v Speaker 2>Ahead and continue the match, where she did pick up

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<v Speaker 2>the victory over Lola Ice in what I'm assuming is

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<v Speaker 2>Lola ICE's farewell to NXT. It kind of felt that

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<v Speaker 2>way towards the at the very end, where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they gave each other a hug and she raised her hand,

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<v Speaker 2>she raised Kendall's hand, kind of signaling that she is

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<v Speaker 2>the she is the champion, the rightful champion, and and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually when we see something like that, it's a main

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<v Speaker 2>roster call up. There's been kind of rumblings that that

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<v Speaker 2>might be the case, but who knows, we may wind

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<v Speaker 2>up seeing Lola again next week. Kevin, what did you

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<v Speaker 2>think of the match? But moreover, do you think that

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<v Speaker 2>they should have potentially stopped the match rather than allowing

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<v Speaker 2>her to continue? She looked like she might have potentially

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<v Speaker 2>been concussed. Obviously with just a quick EVL you know

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<v Speaker 2>at ringside, I'm not a medical guy. I fixed computers

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<v Speaker 2>for a living, But I don't know if you'd know

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<v Speaker 2>right off the bat if she's actually concussed or not.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd seemed to, you know, be stumbling around and not

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<v Speaker 2>really being able to walk stand up. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that was selling or if her equilibrium was, like, really.

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<v Speaker 3>That messed up.

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<v Speaker 2>So since you're the one with doctor in your name, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what is your diagnosis? I know it's a different type

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<v Speaker 2>of doctor, but what is your diagnosis?

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<v Speaker 3>Asterisk asterisk.

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<v Speaker 5>Nothing that's about to come out of my mouth should

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<v Speaker 5>be construed as medical advice in any way. Make sure

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<v Speaker 5>we cover the legalities there. I can for sure say

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<v Speaker 5>she got her bell rum. I while I am an

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<v Speaker 5>academic doctor, I do have a fair amount of experience

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<v Speaker 5>in things like athletic training and exercise science and that

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<v Speaker 5>sort of thing. And no two concussions present the same way.

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<v Speaker 5>There are general sort of signs that that's probably what happened,

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<v Speaker 5>but the way in which someone gets hit their body

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<v Speaker 5>all the all the factors play in, so there's no

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<v Speaker 5>way for sure to tell. I don't think it would

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<v Speaker 5>be a stretch to say that it was a low

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<v Speaker 5>grade one, because the higher grade ones typically result in

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<v Speaker 5>you being out for a while. It was quite a

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<v Speaker 5>bit of blood pouring out of her ear, as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 5>and I I certainly they had the ref checking on her,

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<v Speaker 5>and then I saw the medical guy attending to her,

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<v Speaker 5>and I have to believe, especially with as many cooks

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<v Speaker 5>are in the kitchen from the administrative payroll money side,

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<v Speaker 5>that they would not have let her continue if it

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<v Speaker 5>was something dire Now ruptured ear drum is not good.

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<v Speaker 5>That will require rest and and and.

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<v Speaker 3>Some evaluation by.

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<v Speaker 5>An actual medical professional, probably an ears, nose and throat physician.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's not It certainly is not career ending. It's

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<v Speaker 5>probably not even it. She'll be out a week if that,

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<v Speaker 5>but it was bad and she definitely, I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>if it was I couldn't tell what the strike was

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<v Speaker 5>that did it, but it definitely was something that probably

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<v Speaker 5>should not hit the side of her head. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I think there were a couple of hits in the

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<v Speaker 5>match tonight, and I imagine you probably saw a couple

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<v Speaker 5>as you were checking back in and forth, But there

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<v Speaker 5>were a couple of hits that to me look like

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<v Speaker 5>they landed in not the adequate or not the proper spot.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that that comes with the territory of

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<v Speaker 5>this this type of match. Because the lights are much lower,

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<v Speaker 5>there's no ropes, I would imagine spatial awareness is thrown

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<v Speaker 5>off just slightly. There were a couple of back suplexes

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<v Speaker 5>that that Kendall did that I thought were really close

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<v Speaker 5>to the edge that probably wouldn't normally have been had

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<v Speaker 5>the ropes been there. And so I wonder if there's

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<v Speaker 5>sort of a host of those things that contributed to

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<v Speaker 5>some of those lack of timing. I know that that

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<v Speaker 5>Lola delivered a spinning kick to Kendall that looked like

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<v Speaker 5>it hit her in a in a very real sense,

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<v Speaker 5>and maybe not in a spot where she's more protected,

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<v Speaker 5>So I know it was an accident. I don't imagine

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<v Speaker 5>that Lola was actually trying to hit her head off

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<v Speaker 5>her neck alla Mortal Kombat. But it definitely was an accident,

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<v Speaker 5>and and there was there was a price, a physical

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<v Speaker 5>price to be paid.

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<v Speaker 2>So street Fighter, they're hocking street Fighter, not Mortal Kombat.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, but you don't see blood and street Fighter. You

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<v Speaker 5>see the blood in Mortal Kombat. A.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I just thought of the joke, had

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<v Speaker 2>to say it. So, No, it wasn't actually strike at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It was when when Kendall was up on the apron,

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<v Speaker 2>Lola kind of knocked her down and she like hit

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<v Speaker 2>her head off of the steel steps she immediately grabs

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<v Speaker 2>her hand or grabs her ear with her hand, and

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<v Speaker 2>you could actually see three drops of blood land on

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<v Speaker 2>the side of the steel steps pile driver repeat in

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<v Speaker 2>the chat.

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<v Speaker 4>That was really that was real. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 4>a work.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope it was a work, and I hope that

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<v Speaker 2>they have some amazing new special effects that can make

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<v Speaker 2>it seem like less of a work and make it

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<v Speaker 2>seem real, because yeah, I don't want to see her injured, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm fairly confident that was real. Like I said

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning, you could after the ref was wiping

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<v Speaker 2>the blood away from her ear and out of her ear,

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<v Speaker 2>it just immediately pulled right back up. I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>see how they could get like a mechanism or something

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<v Speaker 2>in her ear to spew blood out like that. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope she's okay. A couple of things that, you know, again,

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<v Speaker 2>I fix computers for a living, not people. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I did notice, like you know, Kendall, she's going for

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<v Speaker 2>a superkick on somebody that might be concussed.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got her.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got Kendall getting thrown out of the ring and

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<v Speaker 2>taking a bump onto the outside. It might have might

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<v Speaker 2>have been a front bump too, not a back bump.

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<v Speaker 2>It might have been a front bump. I think where

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<v Speaker 2>she might be concussed. I don't know, I I personally,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's just me.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the match either should have been changed

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<v Speaker 2>up a little bit, they should have gone home a

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<v Speaker 2>little earlier or just scrapped it, and you know, for

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<v Speaker 2>her sake.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's tough, Nate, because if you're Fortion is

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<v Speaker 5>right that this was Lola's farewell. Now again, I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>saying put the match over the health of the performers,

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<v Speaker 5>but we needed to finish.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the company that went on and continued over

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<v Speaker 2>the edge ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 5>And then yeah, was that the match where literally was

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<v Speaker 5>that the Steve Austin neck?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>That was when Owen died?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, well, okay, that's extreme, but yeah, wasn't there a

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<v Speaker 5>Steve Austin or he either got dropped on his head

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<v Speaker 5>or knocked on his head, but he was supposed to win,

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<v Speaker 5>and so like he's lying there paralyzed, and like the

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<v Speaker 5>guy threw himself underneath to get pinned so that they

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was also Owen, But yeah it was when

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<v Speaker 2>Owen spike Austin on his neck and Austin paralyzed and

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<v Speaker 2>then had to do the weakest schoolboy thrown demand to

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<v Speaker 2>get the win. But yeah, I don't know. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong and that I'm I thought it was real

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<v Speaker 2>and they got me.

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<v Speaker 4>But but man, I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That said, uh, you know, injury aside, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>still think this is a good match. I if this

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<v Speaker 2>is a real injury and it is the ear drum,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there were definitely moments where she's stumbling in things,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know that that kind of looked like there

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the supplexes, like you said, that got

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<v Speaker 2>really close to the edge. I don't know if those

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<v Speaker 2>would have necessarily happened. I have no idea, no idea

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<v Speaker 2>if you know, if they would have happened if she

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<v Speaker 2>was not injured or not so, But I mean, overall,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a good match.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, Lola.

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<v Speaker 2>If this is Lola's swan song, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is a good way for her to go out.

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<v Speaker 2>In a way I wish she didn't go out, and

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<v Speaker 2>if this is her last match. I wish she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>go out in an underground match because that was her

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<v Speaker 2>match and she was undefeated, So she can't continue to

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<v Speaker 2>say she's undefeated to bring that match stipulation to the

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<v Speaker 2>main roster. I mean, she can still bring it to

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<v Speaker 2>main roster, but you can't say she's undefeated.

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<v Speaker 4>That said, though, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Kendall so far as champion. I want a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more out of her. You know, we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>what is who is she? What is her character other

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<v Speaker 2>than she likes cake and she's happy to be here,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's you know, done a whole you know, she's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously got there through you know, hard work and dedication

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that. But you know, I do want

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<v Speaker 2>to see some more character work and more and more

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<v Speaker 2>character development out of her, because I think the current

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<v Speaker 2>iteration of this character is going to wind up getting

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<v Speaker 2>eaten up on the main roster and kind of fade

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<v Speaker 2>into the background.

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<v Speaker 4>So all right, anything else on the underground.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>I always like the part of those matches I like

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<v Speaker 5>is trying to pick out who's who around the ring. Uh,

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<v Speaker 5>And of course for me, there were some familiar LFG

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<v Speaker 5>faces around there that haven't really got a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>TV time yet. But some of them even I didn't recognize,

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<v Speaker 5>So they could be some of the recent signees or

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<v Speaker 5>the nil people who are getting work in. But it's

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<v Speaker 5>always try to fund always fun for me to try

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<v Speaker 5>to pick people out of the crowd that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, those two, they're not just people. They picked

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<v Speaker 2>out of the crowd and threw them around.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I pardon me, pardon Row Row thirteen, Section B

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<v Speaker 5>was the lucky Row tonight, come on down.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, let's uh, let's keep on moving on,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk and well, you know what, We're just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go Mayle do matches and then segments rather than move

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<v Speaker 2>around a little bit. So go backwards here, Key new Carver,

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<v Speaker 2>as Booker T would say, Uh, Keanu Carver versus e

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<v Speaker 2>K prospers or Keanu Carver went over about ten minutes

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<v Speaker 2>thirty nine seconds. This was their third singles match. E

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<v Speaker 2>K Prosper had gone over on Keanu Carver in their

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<v Speaker 2>prior to matches this, so what I did see of

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<v Speaker 2>the match, I do like the fact that if they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go this way and they're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>a smaller guy get over on Keanu Carver. They're playing

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<v Speaker 2>it as like e K has his number. It's hard

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<v Speaker 2>for Ek to get it over like e K had

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<v Speaker 2>to win with you know, roll up or schoolboy or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, and so it kind of really shows

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<v Speaker 2>how e K is either I don't know, maybe playing

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<v Speaker 2>even inadvertently playing a mental game with him because he

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<v Speaker 2>can't seem to catch him and.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, keep him down.

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<v Speaker 2>But I if they're going to tell the story, I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like the story development throughout the course of

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<v Speaker 2>the match that kind of tells you the story.

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<v Speaker 4>As I was outlining.

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<v Speaker 2>There, I still can't stand the name me K Prosper.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say it again, but is what it is? Good

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<v Speaker 2>fella in the chat says this role the roll up

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<v Speaker 2>felt weird. It kind of did. Granted I wasn't looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the screen when the roll up actually happened. I

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<v Speaker 2>was resetting passwords for people at work, but whatever, another

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<v Speaker 2>story for another day.

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<v Speaker 4>But when I looked over and I saw.

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<v Speaker 2>The replay, I was kind of like, ah, man, if

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<v Speaker 2>Cano was going to get the win. I wish it

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<v Speaker 2>was more definitive win, more power, like some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a powerhouse move or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm assuming they have.

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<v Speaker 2>More story to tell here, because it does not feel

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<v Speaker 2>like the story is done. So for the person that

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<v Speaker 2>watched the match, let's find out what you thought.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Think it was a good You know, certainly if if

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<v Speaker 5>they didn't think that these two gentlemen worked well together,

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<v Speaker 5>they wouldn't be building a series with them. And you

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<v Speaker 5>can tell that they they very much work the big

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<v Speaker 5>man smaller man's style very well. And Kean, who certainly

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<v Speaker 5>has the power game figured out n.

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<v Speaker 3>E K is.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, you know, the faster, the more nimble competitor. So

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<v Speaker 5>so yeah, I thought the match was good. I too

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<v Speaker 5>wish that it had a considering that Kean who went over,

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<v Speaker 5>that there should have been some sort of more, more

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<v Speaker 5>of a power ending, because I do think even if

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<v Speaker 5>you want them to wrestle again, a roll up or

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<v Speaker 5>something like that, like you're not protecting the series by

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<v Speaker 5>having him win that way, Like you could have had

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<v Speaker 5>him use his finish, do do a power of something

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<v Speaker 5>to cement the fact that he's the power guy. So

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<v Speaker 5>I thought that the ending was weird too, and even

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<v Speaker 5>dare I say, even like looked a little rushed. Maybe

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<v Speaker 5>so we won't know, but it certainly did look look fishy.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I I as I look at both of

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<v Speaker 5>those guys, and you and Nate mentioned it about Kendall

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<v Speaker 5>needing to really sort of set herself apart as a character.

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<v Speaker 5>I worry about both of the gentlemen in this match because,

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<v Speaker 5>as we've talked about before, Keanu is is very uh

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<v Speaker 5>has has similarities to our good friend the BROCKX slayer Obafemi,

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<v Speaker 5>And I think e K has a very similar look

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<v Speaker 5>and a similar vibe to Leon Slater. And I know

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<v Speaker 5>we haven't seen Leon on NXT lately, but you you,

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<v Speaker 5>you as an organization need to start finding ways for

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<v Speaker 5>these folks to really build on an element of themselves

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<v Speaker 5>that will set them apart, especially when you know, you

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<v Speaker 5>would hate for any one of them to be called

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<v Speaker 5>a diet coke version of right, like they shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 5>their own individuals and be able to separate themselves, and

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<v Speaker 5>so in that way, I just hope they're keeping an

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<v Speaker 5>eye on that for those those two men's sake, because

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<v Speaker 5>you would hate for them to be in a shadow

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<v Speaker 5>that they didn't really know existed.

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<v Speaker 3>When maybe they could have been doing more to establish themselves.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Hey, everyone, longtime PW Torch commist Sean radikin here

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<v Speaker 6>Every week, I break down four or five of the

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<v Speaker 6>biggest trending topics in pro wrestling. I also present my analysis,

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<v Speaker 6>providing insight that helps you understand the story better or

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<v Speaker 6>see it another way. Then maybe is the controversial takeout there?

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<v Speaker 6>Then I bring on a special guest for the second

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<v Speaker 6>half of the podcast. Sometimes it's a wrestler or someone

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<v Speaker 6>a particular key topic in the news. Recent guests have

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<v Speaker 6>included Bronson Reid from WWE and PCO. One of my

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<v Speaker 6>areas of specialty is the Japan wrestling scene, so I

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<v Speaker 6>often cover a big topic from Japan with PW Torch,

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<v Speaker 6>his own Alan Farrell, Kelly Wells, and Chris Lansdell. I

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<v Speaker 6>don't just cover the news. I don't just riff on

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<v Speaker 6>so you understand not just what's happening, but the context

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 2>And I completely agree with you. It's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>Actually I think it's it's criticism. I've had a boat

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<v Speaker 2>both e K Prosper and Canton Carver, COUNTU Carver. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got three people on the episode that all feel exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the same, not the episode and the roster raither that

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<v Speaker 2>to me all feel very similar. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>say the same, but very similar. You've got Jasper, Troy,

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<v Speaker 2>Keanu Carver, and now Sequon Sugars. They're all kind of playing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of that hard type gangster type character.

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<v Speaker 2>They are distinctly different, but I don't feel like they're

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<v Speaker 2>different enough. And they were all into all three of

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<v Speaker 2>them were really introduced, and I say, Saquon, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>Sequon's singles run but not necessarily as part of the

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<v Speaker 2>Dark State. But it's all within, you know, a handful

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<v Speaker 2>of months of one another, so I feel like they

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<v Speaker 2>could kind of get muddied and heck, you could even

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<v Speaker 2>lump OTM in there too, like OTM is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a similar gimmick to what they're going on there. So

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<v Speaker 2>either throw them all in a stable so it makes

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<v Speaker 2>more sense, but I don't necessarily want them to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>More of a joke than anything, but I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>see him have a little bit more differentiation between the

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<v Speaker 2>three of them. And then, like you said, Leon Slater

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<v Speaker 2>was the one that came to mind, but it may

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<v Speaker 2>as well have because it was Javon Evans that came to.

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<v Speaker 4>Mind, you know, e K it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was the week after Javan got called up, maybe,

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<v Speaker 2>if not the week after. A couple of weeks after

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<v Speaker 2>you have that. E K Prosper got his name and

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<v Speaker 2>was featured on an XT proper pun very much intended.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that wasn't a pun because not Proper, it was Prosper.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an idiot, but that's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>But once you know he.

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<v Speaker 2>Dropped the Eli Knight name and became a K Prosper,

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<v Speaker 2>it almost and I think we I think Kelly and

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<v Speaker 2>I said it on that show or whoever was on

425
00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:01.839
<v Speaker 2>that show with me that day. It felt like they

426
00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:04.880
<v Speaker 2>were just trying to replace Yvon Evans, and I'm sure

427
00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:08.119
<v Speaker 2>they work to a point, but like you said, I

428
00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:12.920
<v Speaker 2>I right now e K Prosper, especially with that stupid name,

429
00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:18.720
<v Speaker 2>feels like the TMU version of Javon Evans, and that's

430
00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:23.400
<v Speaker 2>that's a shame, because he really is a very talented competitor,

431
00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:27.680
<v Speaker 2>the great wrestler, both on the indies and so far.

432
00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:30.039
<v Speaker 4>What we've seen you here in NXT, well, what.

433
00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:33.000
<v Speaker 5>I tell you, Nate, if you look at Goodfella's comment

434
00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:37.680
<v Speaker 5>relating to finding your character, you know, I think a

435
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:39.359
<v Speaker 5>lot of this does come back.

436
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:41.359
<v Speaker 3>And I know that this is this comment.

437
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:43.400
<v Speaker 5>I don't know that you and Kelly and others have

438
00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:45.960
<v Speaker 5>focused on it so so much on this show, but

439
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.720
<v Speaker 5>especially on the main roster shows. And I think in

440
00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:52.039
<v Speaker 5>general about w WE, A lot of that even comes

441
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:57.880
<v Speaker 5>from their music, like and how generic most of the

442
00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:05.319
<v Speaker 5>n XT Newish folks's music is, where you know, thank

443
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:08.160
<v Speaker 5>goodness the jumbo tron has their name flash up on

444
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:11.640
<v Speaker 5>the screen or else. If we played the game of Okay,

445
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:13.319
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to play the first five notes, you tell

446
00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:14.880
<v Speaker 5>me who it is, you're not going to know.

447
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:17.480
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's part of the issue too, is.

448
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.680
<v Speaker 5>Yes, it's up to the performer to craft out their identity,

449
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:27.000
<v Speaker 5>but I think more should be Kennon should be done

450
00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:31.000
<v Speaker 5>on the part of the organization to help them with that. Yeah,

451
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:35.640
<v Speaker 5>and I think it starts with things like music and

452
00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:38.839
<v Speaker 5>then of course the name. And unfortunately he did kind

453
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:42.440
<v Speaker 5>of get the short end of the stick in initializing

454
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:47.200
<v Speaker 5>his previous name and adding a ridiculous last name. But

455
00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:53.000
<v Speaker 5>we also have bron Breaker, right, so I think there

456
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:54.920
<v Speaker 5>does need to be a bit more maybe on the

457
00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:58.759
<v Speaker 5>let us help you help yourself.

458
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.160
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, no, I agree, And I mean, you know,

459
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I think like e K Prosper actually chose the name,

460
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:10.799
<v Speaker 2>just like Cruz Montana chose the name. But as as

461
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Stevie Richards kind of always jokes around and he's talking

462
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.799
<v Speaker 2>about NXT guys on his show, they really need to

463
00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:19.440
<v Speaker 2>stop letting the NXT guys choose their own name, guys

464
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:24.920
<v Speaker 2>and girls choose their own names, because man, sometimes well

465
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>you wind up with ek Prosper.

466
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:29.079
<v Speaker 4>So there's that.

467
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:35.279
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I don't think there's anything else that's gonna

468
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:38.039
<v Speaker 2>say there, So I think we can probably move on

469
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:46.119
<v Speaker 2>to the next match we had. Well, Kelly wrote swipe right,

470
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:49.079
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if they're calling him swipe right anymore.

471
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:53.839
<v Speaker 2>So Vanity Project versus Miles Bourne and Tavion Heights. It

472
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:58.559
<v Speaker 2>was the swipe Right portion of the Vanity Project, Ricky

473
00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Smokes and Brad Bayaylor. We have new tag team champions,

474
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Miles Bourne Tavion Heights. I did see the backstage segment

475
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:09.799
<v Speaker 2>with the two.

476
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:10.200
<v Speaker 4>Of them.

477
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Where Tavon, you know, they're kind of going back and forth,

478
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.359
<v Speaker 2>but you know, Miles being a double champion, Tavon's saying

479
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:20.200
<v Speaker 2>he's not sure what he's going to do if they

480
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:23.680
<v Speaker 2>lose the match tonight. For me, when I saw that,

481
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:26.200
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was telegraphing that they were going to

482
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.079
<v Speaker 2>lose the match, Tavion was going to turn on Miles

483
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.839
<v Speaker 2>and then challenge for the North American title, because that

484
00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:35.039
<v Speaker 2>is what I've been thinking was going to be happening

485
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.599
<v Speaker 2>for a while. Is Tavian is going to somehow turn

486
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>on and I still may at some point, but turn

487
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:46.279
<v Speaker 2>on Miles Burn and challenge for North American title. Didn't happen.

488
00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:49.519
<v Speaker 2>They won the titles here tonight that they could still

489
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:53.079
<v Speaker 2>tell that story. We have seen champions win the belts

490
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:55.759
<v Speaker 2>before and then immediately get into a feud with one another.

491
00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:59.079
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't tell you the last time it happened, but.

492
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.119
<v Speaker 5>I know, I know if it was the last time

493
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:03.640
<v Speaker 5>it happened. But Bailey and Sasha went through that whole.

494
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.119
<v Speaker 5>Yeah they were tag champs, but one was an individual champion.

495
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:12.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, so like I mean Zaria and soul

496
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Ruku to a point, although they weren't tag team champions,

497
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.400
<v Speaker 2>but but they kind of went through a very similar

498
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:18.160
<v Speaker 2>type of story.

499
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:21.920
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, they could still do that.

500
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.880
<v Speaker 2>But I also didn't think it was time for them

501
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:29.440
<v Speaker 2>to for Vanity Project to lose the belts, and that

502
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:31.960
<v Speaker 2>that actually kind of also may play into what I

503
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 2>was just talking about. Maybe it really wasn't time for

504
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:36.240
<v Speaker 2>them to lose the belts. They just need to tell

505
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:39.640
<v Speaker 2>this story with Tavion Miles Born. Maybe we're gonna see

506
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Vanity Project in a rematch and win the belts back.

507
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Now we can say they're two time champions, and then

508
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:50.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, we'll see Tavion turn on Miles or vice versa.

509
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I think at Tavion on Miles but and then see

510
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:56.319
<v Speaker 2>them in a North American title feud leading in the

511
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:56.799
<v Speaker 2>heat Wave.

512
00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:58.839
<v Speaker 4>That's my guess.

513
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.920
<v Speaker 2>But let me to you because the match itself I

514
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.799
<v Speaker 2>really did not get to see very much of it

515
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:08.000
<v Speaker 2>was on on my other monitor over here, but just

516
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:10.839
<v Speaker 2>in my peripheral vision. So let me throw to you

517
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:15.440
<v Speaker 2>on the match and your thoughts on where the new

518
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>champions may lead and what do you think of my theory.

519
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:23.359
<v Speaker 5>Well, firstly, speaking of names, how has Ricky Smokes still

520
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 5>been able to keep that name? That of all the

521
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.960
<v Speaker 5>names you know well, and that's also.

522
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.640
<v Speaker 2>The name that he used on the indies, So which

523
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>really blows my mind because I figured, you know, did

524
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:38.920
<v Speaker 2>want to change that, or he'd want to change that,

525
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.519
<v Speaker 2>so you know, if and when he leaves, we you

526
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 2>could keep it. But I'm very surprised Ricky Smokes is

527
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:46.519
<v Speaker 2>still Ricky Smokes.

528
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.240
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<v Speaker 5>Well and again, Ricky Saints wasn't around long enough for

544
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:40.759
<v Speaker 5>there to be a real issue. But even just in

545
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.359
<v Speaker 5>and of itself, Ricky Smokes is not exactly When I

546
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.319
<v Speaker 5>hear that name, I don't think about it as a

547
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:50.759
<v Speaker 5>WrestleMania main avenger, but I could be horribly wrong as

548
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:55.640
<v Speaker 5>far as the match goes. I there were four athletes

549
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:59.119
<v Speaker 5>in the ring, and I think that the energy was

550
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.680
<v Speaker 5>really good. Certainly there was a lot of great movement,

551
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:10.440
<v Speaker 5>a lot of great back and forth. Certainly Vanity Project

552
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.240
<v Speaker 5>know who they are, and they certainly work very well together.

553
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:18.759
<v Speaker 5>And and I'll apologize to the chat and to you

554
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.359
<v Speaker 5>Nate that I still get mixed up on what Bailey

555
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 5>Humphrey's new name is.

556
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 3>But I just love her, and I.

557
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:34.119
<v Speaker 5>Know huh my Luckwood okay, And I know that we'll

558
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.880
<v Speaker 5>get her segment when we get to the segment portion

559
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:38.480
<v Speaker 5>of the show.

560
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.680
<v Speaker 4>But you know, I feel free to throw it in

561
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:43.160
<v Speaker 4>if you'd like.

562
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:45.839
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think they'll they'll be time for it. But

563
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.119
<v Speaker 3>I just I think too. Oh.

564
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:51.279
<v Speaker 5>Also, quick, Nate, if you want a good fella just

565
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.680
<v Speaker 5>made a comment about Kendall's ear, So.

566
00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Goodfellas has Kendall just dropped the short video for bloody ear.

567
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Looks like the inner part of her ears tore up.

568
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:04.519
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so maybe it's not.

569
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it isn't an ear drum or something.

570
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:11.000
<v Speaker 4>Maybe she just got the inside real.

571
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:14.400
<v Speaker 5>The one thing I do know with a wife who

572
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:18.720
<v Speaker 5>is a nurse is that head wounds always look worse

573
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:22.000
<v Speaker 5>than they are typically because of how many veins and

574
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:26.960
<v Speaker 5>capillaries and all that are running through your head. But yeah,

575
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.240
<v Speaker 5>she may have caught the corner of the stairs. She

576
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.880
<v Speaker 5>may have caught diamond plating to the side, and anything's possible.

577
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, So.

578
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.000
<v Speaker 5>I love Bailey's part of all this, Mike, excuse me,

579
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.319
<v Speaker 5>her part of all this, And I wonder if them

580
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.759
<v Speaker 5>losing the belts for now gives them a chance to

581
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:55.519
<v Speaker 5>develop that story a bit more. And I suppose we

582
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:57.480
<v Speaker 5>may as well as good Fellow just brought it up,

583
00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:59.279
<v Speaker 5>but it sort of speaks to how that might go.

584
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:05.279
<v Speaker 5>Is that in that post match, as Vanity Project is

585
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:10.680
<v Speaker 5>yelling about everyone else's fault, Keanu walked past them on

586
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:13.559
<v Speaker 5>his way to the ring for his match, and there

587
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:17.039
<v Speaker 5>was a bit of an amorous stare between Micah and

588
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:23.160
<v Speaker 5>Keanu Carver with a bit of a lustful overtone. And

589
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.240
<v Speaker 5>so I'm sure next week we'll get a segment where

590
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.039
<v Speaker 5>they're going to look at her and go, what the

591
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:28.559
<v Speaker 5>hell is that?

592
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.559
<v Speaker 3>You know, what are you doing? YadA, YadA, YadA. So

593
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:33.960
<v Speaker 3>I think that they maybe want to this could be.

594
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:36.400
<v Speaker 5>A chance for them to help flesh her character out

595
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:40.880
<v Speaker 5>a little bit more, as she has done less wrestling

596
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:42.519
<v Speaker 5>and more valeting.

597
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:42.759
<v Speaker 3>To this point.

598
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.880
<v Speaker 5>And I think too, you know, we talk all the

599
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.720
<v Speaker 5>time that the performers are the ones who make the belt,

600
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.640
<v Speaker 5>and it shouldn't be the other way around. Vanity Project

601
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:58.359
<v Speaker 5>doesn't necessarily need the belts, you know. I think they're

602
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:03.000
<v Speaker 5>talented enough and they're young enough that WWE knows what

603
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:06.079
<v Speaker 5>they have in them, and as they continue to develop,

604
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:08.719
<v Speaker 5>they know that that that's going to continue to grow,

605
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:12.639
<v Speaker 5>And I think it's worth you know, this could be

606
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 5>Tavion Heights's sink or swim, right. I think they know

607
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:17.480
<v Speaker 5>what they have in Miles Bourne, and they like him.

608
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.559
<v Speaker 5>He's the North American champ. But this could very much

609
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:24.800
<v Speaker 5>be ay, Okay, you're a champ. Now let's see if

610
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.280
<v Speaker 5>you are are rising to the level that we need

611
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:31.320
<v Speaker 5>you to on the mic and in the ring. And

612
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:33.280
<v Speaker 5>so maybe that maybe this is just a little test

613
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:36.079
<v Speaker 5>function for that. You know, I heard Vic at the

614
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:38.559
<v Speaker 5>beginning of the show say we've got four weeks until

615
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:42.159
<v Speaker 5>the next premium live event, and so maybe this is

616
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.360
<v Speaker 5>a four week tryout for him to say, you're going

617
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.320
<v Speaker 5>to have, you know, another another eight hours of television

618
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:51.519
<v Speaker 5>to show us why you continue to deserve to be

619
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.599
<v Speaker 5>this and we'll get the rematch set up and we'll

620
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:59.360
<v Speaker 5>see how it goes. But I think from what he was,

621
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.199
<v Speaker 5>he's Tavion's come a long long way from being a

622
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.760
<v Speaker 5>part of No Quarter Catch crew and I think that's

623
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:08.320
<v Speaker 5>a good sign.

624
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:09.159
<v Speaker 3>And of course they did.

625
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:11.000
<v Speaker 5>Put the belt on him, so that's an even better sign.

626
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:13.880
<v Speaker 5>And so yeah, I hope that they're able to take

627
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.360
<v Speaker 5>this ball and run with it because they seem to

628
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.079
<v Speaker 5>be a good team together, and I just hope that

629
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 5>they're given some good defenses to really help show what

630
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:23.599
<v Speaker 5>they can do as a team.

631
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:30.119
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's go to our Speed Women's Speed Championship match,

632
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:35.199
<v Speaker 2>which went to a draw in five minutes. Renson clear

633
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:40.760
<v Speaker 2>versus Zaria. I basically didn't see any of this, so

634
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to.

635
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:44.559
<v Speaker 3>Come toasts five minutes in the history of wrestling, Nate.

636
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean from what I what I saw, you know,

637
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and I glanced over at my other monitor to kind

638
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.639
<v Speaker 2>of see what was going on. You know, we looked

639
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.880
<v Speaker 2>like a looked like a pretty good match Zaria. I know,

640
00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:00.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, one with an F five or no one

641
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.039
<v Speaker 2>with an F five. Rather she she hit the F

642
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 2>five right at the very end, wasn't able to get

643
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.599
<v Speaker 2>the pen, and then hit it again after the match

644
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:07.639
<v Speaker 2>to kind of make a statement.

645
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.880
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, let me let me throw to you on

646
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 4>on on this uh on the match.

647
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I I know that that.

648
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:24.800
<v Speaker 5>Over the course of the Speed title's history, there's been

649
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:27.639
<v Speaker 5>some positives and some negatives that have been expressed by

650
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 5>you and me and others in the PW Torch family

651
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:35.280
<v Speaker 5>in general. I'm a fan of the concept, you know,

652
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:40.840
<v Speaker 5>and I know that. You know, the main critique is, well,

653
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:42.719
<v Speaker 5>if you can have a whole match in five minutes,

654
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.840
<v Speaker 5>why can't every match be done in five minutes? And

655
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 5>I think, like anything else, this is a match type

656
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:52.199
<v Speaker 5>that has a stipulation that forces a certain style of

657
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:58.000
<v Speaker 5>wrestling and rewards either U and here all for those

658
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:01.000
<v Speaker 5>of us in the crowd who maybe play fantasy games

659
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:02.440
<v Speaker 5>like Nate and I do, if I can use some

660
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.440
<v Speaker 5>magic the gathering terminology, right, it either favors an outright

661
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:13.440
<v Speaker 5>agro strategy or it favors a control strategy, And so

662
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:15.800
<v Speaker 5>I think it's an interesting Oh look at you here ready,

663
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:18.559
<v Speaker 5>my minor just out of reach or else I would

664
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:19.840
<v Speaker 5>fan them for you as well.

665
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to have one single setting over there.

666
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 5>But you know, I think that that Wren is doing

667
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:32.119
<v Speaker 5>really well with him, you know, certainly when you when

668
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:36.800
<v Speaker 5>you know the stipulation is if she survives the matches champion,

669
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:41.159
<v Speaker 5>she gets a chance at the North American title. I

670
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:43.199
<v Speaker 5>can't imagine there were too many people in the room

671
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 5>that that thought that Zaria was going to win it,

672
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:48.519
<v Speaker 5>because I think that's a match they want to build

673
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 5>towards for that pay per view in four weeks. I

674
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:58.000
<v Speaker 5>do think, if I were to be critiquey, I do

675
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:04.000
<v Speaker 5>think the ending was unnecessarily clunky, right because.

676
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.360
<v Speaker 3>Zaria throws her out and then.

677
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.159
<v Speaker 5>Is like, oh crap, I've got to throw you back in,

678
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.320
<v Speaker 5>And I just I think if you wanted the time

679
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:20.599
<v Speaker 5>limit draw, there were other ways to do that that

680
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 5>maybe didn't feel as clunky. With whatever it was eighteen

681
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:25.880
<v Speaker 5>or twenty seconds left. By the time she got thrown out, like,

682
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:27.599
<v Speaker 5>it was very clear you were not getting a pin

683
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:31.840
<v Speaker 5>at that point. Oh and pile driver Pete says their

684
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.760
<v Speaker 5>rematches next week. I must have missed that, but I'm

685
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:40.000
<v Speaker 5>sure it'll be more of the same. I do like

686
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.440
<v Speaker 5>and I know that we, you and I and Kelly

687
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.519
<v Speaker 5>and you and me and Kelly and and the whole

688
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.280
<v Speaker 5>crew were initially very high on Zaria, and then she

689
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:51.079
<v Speaker 5>got put in the tag team and didn't really get

690
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.360
<v Speaker 5>a chance to stand out. But I'm really liking her

691
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:58.039
<v Speaker 5>at her current iteration. I'm liking that she can be

692
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:02.519
<v Speaker 5>sort of a big bad and really live into the

693
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 5>power that.

694
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:03.760
<v Speaker 3>She can do.

695
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.599
<v Speaker 5>And so I'm just excited that she's getting the shake

696
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:11.800
<v Speaker 5>as the champ, and so I'll be interested to see

697
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:16.400
<v Speaker 5>kind of how that rain continues to flow too, because

698
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:22.840
<v Speaker 5>if if the North American Championship is the Intercontinental equivalent

699
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:26.599
<v Speaker 5>at NXT, then then you're signaling to us that she

700
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.000
<v Speaker 5>can go and she's ready to go, and so hopefully

701
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.239
<v Speaker 5>that continues to be the case. But yeah, I liked

702
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 5>how it ended in terms of the draw leading to

703
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.239
<v Speaker 5>Ren getting her chance at the North American title. And

704
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:40.159
<v Speaker 5>we'll see how they built to.

705
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 2>It, all right, I believe it's our opening match. Yes,

706
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.480
<v Speaker 2>it was Jada Parker and THEA Hale versus Carmen Patrovick

707
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:55.880
<v Speaker 2>and Nikita Lyons. I saw, I saw entrances on this one,

708
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.360
<v Speaker 2>but this is when I was starting to get the

709
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.960
<v Speaker 2>scoop on what was going on at work and really

710
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:06.079
<v Speaker 2>started diving into that nearly two hour zoom call I

711
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:10.760
<v Speaker 2>was stuck on. So I'll I'll have to defer to

712
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.239
<v Speaker 2>you here again, but I will say I really love

713
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.280
<v Speaker 2>the idea of Jada Parker and THEA Hale. These are

714
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:19.639
<v Speaker 2>two women that I think are being underutilized right now,

715
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.599
<v Speaker 2>and I love them together. So I just think it's

716
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 2>really cool to see them, you know, kind of pair

717
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:32.000
<v Speaker 2>these guys together and you see what suit they can

718
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:37.079
<v Speaker 2>do so. Plus, I feel like their their personalities are

719
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:42.920
<v Speaker 2>similar enough but vastly different where it just I don't

720
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:44.760
<v Speaker 2>know makes I think it could make for some really

721
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:46.719
<v Speaker 2>good TV if they continue to go this direction.

722
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 7>So I'm Chris Maitland.

723
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:51.320
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724
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.840
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725
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:57.360
<v Speaker 8>Every week, Chris and I review a different show or

726
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.599
<v Speaker 8>talk about important topics from around the indie wrestling world.

727
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.679
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728
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729
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730
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<v Speaker 7>at Mind of Maitland.

731
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.639
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732
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:16.679
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733
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:20.320
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734
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:21.320
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736
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:29.559
<v Speaker 4>So let me throw it to you for the match itself.

737
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:31.960
<v Speaker 5>Oh, I didn't see it either, Just kidding, just kidding.

738
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:37.000
<v Speaker 5>All right, Well, that's a show. See you next time. No,

739
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.760
<v Speaker 5>I agree with you on the tag team, and I'm

740
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.800
<v Speaker 5>thinking as you were sort of working your way through

741
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:48.280
<v Speaker 5>that that. I think they represent the same emotion with

742
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:52.199
<v Speaker 5>a different type of stink right or as the kids say, stink.

743
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:53.400
<v Speaker 3>I think.

744
00:41:54.800 --> 00:42:00.840
<v Speaker 5>Certainly Jada Parker is more of the sort of that

745
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.320
<v Speaker 5>she has the cool factor, right like, she very much

746
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:06.039
<v Speaker 5>people respond well to her. She gives off a very

747
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:09.840
<v Speaker 5>cool vibe. And on the other side of that spectrum,

748
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 5>Thea Hale has come to that emotion through a lot

749
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.719
<v Speaker 5>of trial and error, through a lot of you know,

750
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 5>misplaced trust perhaps, and her backstory is part of Chase

751
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:25.320
<v Speaker 5>You and other things, and so they're sort of representing

752
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.760
<v Speaker 5>that same idea with just different backstories and different presentations.

753
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:33.239
<v Speaker 5>And I agree, I think they're sort of an oddball

754
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 5>tag team in terms of kind of the eye test.

755
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:39.199
<v Speaker 5>But I thought they worked well together. And I think

756
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 5>if you don't have anything for them as singles at

757
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.400
<v Speaker 5>the current moment, then put them together, because there are

758
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:49.280
<v Speaker 5>a good handful of women's tag teams that need work,

759
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:51.840
<v Speaker 5>and so fine, let's get them on TV and let's

760
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:52.360
<v Speaker 5>get them working.

761
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:56.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that.

762
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.639
<v Speaker 5>Kelly delighted in every key stroke he had to make

763
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:03.840
<v Speaker 5>about out his best and favorite wrestler the the the

764
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:11.280
<v Speaker 5>Lioness herself. Yeah, hopefully he'll chime in on the chat here.

765
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 5>We'll see if he's listening along. But you know, again,

766
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.719
<v Speaker 5>I like that Natty is sort of serving this role

767
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 5>as a mentor. I know it's for a heel team,

768
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:27.360
<v Speaker 5>but it adds credibility to two women who started with

769
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:31.679
<v Speaker 5>a lot of fanfare and very quickly showed, you know,

770
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:34.679
<v Speaker 5>and then the bell rang sort of energy, and so

771
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.280
<v Speaker 5>I think that it does give them a little bit

772
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 5>of credibility. I think it's very evident that they both

773
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.519
<v Speaker 5>have gotten better as wrestlers. You know, I'm sure that

774
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 5>in addition to the performance center training, you know, as

775
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:50.760
<v Speaker 5>often as Cody and other people post pictures of the Dungeon,

776
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.039
<v Speaker 5>you know, training camps, I'm sure both of those women

777
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:58.199
<v Speaker 5>are in those dungeon training camps. And and you know,

778
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.599
<v Speaker 5>again Will Will, I think this is a point to

779
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:05.760
<v Speaker 5>bring up again and and and largely it's shake fist

780
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:11.119
<v Speaker 5>at COVID, but you know, the Coconut loop and when

781
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:16.039
<v Speaker 5>NXT was traveling with some regularity, you know, the death

782
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:20.800
<v Speaker 5>of the House show is really really showing itself both

783
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.599
<v Speaker 5>in the NXT level, at the main roster level, and

784
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:27.760
<v Speaker 5>I just think it's it's these women who are suffering,

785
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.639
<v Speaker 5>because otherwise they would be getting matches two or three

786
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 5>days a week, right with two house shows and then

787
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:39.719
<v Speaker 5>the NXT show. And I know that NXT still tours

788
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:43.960
<v Speaker 5>a coconut loop light because my friends in Florida typically

789
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.440
<v Speaker 5>will go to them and post pictures. But it is

790
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.719
<v Speaker 5>not anywhere near as aggressive as it was pre COVID.

791
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.880
<v Speaker 5>And I know that NXT has not other than some

792
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.360
<v Speaker 5>of their plees. You know, they used to come to

793
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.719
<v Speaker 5>the Upper Midwest where I'm at maybe two or three

794
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 5>times a year, and I don't think they've been back

795
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:05.000
<v Speaker 5>since I saw them in Des Moines maybe three years ago.

796
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.639
<v Speaker 5>And so again I think just that is hurting. And

797
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:14.679
<v Speaker 5>you know, if I could just put my marketing professional

798
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.239
<v Speaker 5>hat on just for a second, you know, I think

799
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:20.800
<v Speaker 5>it really speaks, It really speaks to that idea to

800
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:27.440
<v Speaker 5>me that when when Vince was running the show, he

801
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 5>understood that how shows were a way of building your

802
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 5>audience because more people could see the performers at a

803
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:39.800
<v Speaker 5>price point that is more advantageous to them. And the

804
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:43.960
<v Speaker 5>shame now with TKO is they're not looking at it

805
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.840
<v Speaker 5>from a marketing growth perspective. They're looking at it from

806
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:51.280
<v Speaker 5>a marketing cost perspective, and that's trucks and hotels and

807
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.559
<v Speaker 5>logistics that have to be paid to do these things.

808
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 5>And so it's all been scaled back because of the

809
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.199
<v Speaker 5>fact that instead of making forty billion dollars this year,

810
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.280
<v Speaker 5>we're gonna we would make thirty nine point eight billion.

811
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:06.480
<v Speaker 3>Dollars with house shows.

812
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:11.440
<v Speaker 5>And I'm exaggerating slightly, but you understand where I'm going

813
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:14.199
<v Speaker 5>with this. So I do think that that's the crime

814
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:20.039
<v Speaker 5>in all of this is less reps off camera means

815
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.280
<v Speaker 5>more more of this. But again, I thought the match

816
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:23.800
<v Speaker 5>went great.

817
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:25.320
<v Speaker 3>I love that the.

818
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:31.639
<v Speaker 5>Faces were able to overcome several instances of interference by Natty.

819
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:34.400
<v Speaker 5>And I love that she's, like I said, she's there,

820
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 5>you know, lending herself to this because you know, she

821
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:41.079
<v Speaker 5>can very easily pull the do you know who I Am?

822
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:41.400
<v Speaker 3>Card?

823
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:43.400
<v Speaker 5>It wouldn't get her very far, but she could pull it,

824
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.920
<v Speaker 5>and she's not. She's choosing to invest in the future,

825
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.159
<v Speaker 5>and I think that says a lot about her.

826
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:53.679
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's go to our non match segments here.

827
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>So we had Tony di'angelo, Grays and Waller curuz My Montanna.

828
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm just reading bullet points here because I again barely

829
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 2>saw the show tonight, but so I guess. Tony DiAngelo

830
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:12.920
<v Speaker 2>confronted Grace and Waller over last week's attack on a

831
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 2>verbal attack on the on the NXT roster, Waller positioned

832
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:21.599
<v Speaker 2>himself is the money fight and claimed DiAngelo's championship should

833
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:25.920
<v Speaker 2>be his route back to prominence. D'Angelo walk mocked Waller

834
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>for being the only member of the twenty twenty one

835
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:32.519
<v Speaker 2>War Games team who never became champion. Montana accused Waller

836
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.880
<v Speaker 2>fighting solely for attention while Montana fights for the people

837
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:40.960
<v Speaker 2>who depend on him. Dangelo pros proposed Waller versus Montana

838
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:44.599
<v Speaker 2>in a Number one Contenders match, which was officially announced

839
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:47.840
<v Speaker 2>for next week, with the winner challenging D'Angelo at heat Wave.

840
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:52.440
<v Speaker 2>So let me ask you, how did this whole segment

841
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:58.920
<v Speaker 2>actually come across? Did Waller continue to be as far

842
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:01.599
<v Speaker 2>as I'm concerned fight on the MIC? I thought that

843
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:06.079
<v Speaker 2>promo last week was absolutely fantastic. I've seen a lot

844
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of criticism for it on the internet over the last

845
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 2>week or so, you know, and I think it's a

846
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 2>mix of people not quite understanding the promo. You know,

847
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:23.199
<v Speaker 2>and I guess taking it either taking it at face

848
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.800
<v Speaker 2>value or not quite understanding what they're doing with it,

849
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.119
<v Speaker 2>or they just kind of see Grayson Waller as way

850
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:33.679
<v Speaker 2>low on the card. But I thought this was a

851
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:38.360
<v Speaker 2>great way for him to reinvent himself and inject life

852
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:44.639
<v Speaker 2>into a somewhat lackluster men's roster, which is something we've

853
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:47.880
<v Speaker 2>talked about on the show before, you know, in recent

854
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:53.400
<v Speaker 2>weeks months. So I think I think overall, I really

855
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:56.079
<v Speaker 2>like Grayson Waller. What he did last week? Did he

856
00:48:56.199 --> 00:49:00.639
<v Speaker 2>continue to do that tonight? And what I'll what else

857
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:01.400
<v Speaker 2>do you think of a segment?

858
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I thought tonight. So Grayson is a fantastic talker.

859
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:10.039
<v Speaker 5>I think that is one of his gifts, is his

860
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 5>ability to not only work a crowd, but work his

861
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:21.480
<v Speaker 5>character verbally. I think tonight, I don't think we I

862
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:25.000
<v Speaker 5>don't want to say it wasn't as strong it There

863
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:29.199
<v Speaker 5>were several times if you looked on his face, the

864
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:33.880
<v Speaker 5>stuff that Tony DiAngelo was saying really cut him. Now,

865
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:36.360
<v Speaker 5>I do believe it's all in character, Like I don't.

866
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.679
<v Speaker 5>I don't think that there was not any personal attack there.

867
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:43.679
<v Speaker 5>But for as much bravado as he showed last week

868
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:48.440
<v Speaker 5>in that promo that made all the headlines as Tony

869
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:53.320
<v Speaker 5>d started doing the all right, fine, but what have

870
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:56.639
<v Speaker 5>you really done? Like you could definitely see it.

871
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:58.039
<v Speaker 3>Hit hit.

872
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.199
<v Speaker 5>Hit him in a way that you know, prior to

873
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 5>now maybe you saw. And of course, love, love, love

874
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:13.519
<v Speaker 5>the character that is Cruise Montana. I'm very thankful that

875
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:17.639
<v Speaker 5>he chose something like Cruse and not the obvious Tony

876
00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:22.119
<v Speaker 5>if I can give a nod to Scarface there. But

877
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:27.599
<v Speaker 5>you know, I think his character for a while has

878
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:31.119
<v Speaker 5>been the I'm not just wrestling for me. I'm wrestling

879
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:34.159
<v Speaker 5>for my family, I'm wrestling for the mouths that I'm feeding.

880
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.679
<v Speaker 5>I'm doing it for something bigger than myself, and I

881
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 5>think that really resonates with fans right where many of

882
00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:46.280
<v Speaker 5>us are working jobs and doing things for the benefit

883
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:48.320
<v Speaker 5>of those we care about and they count on us,

884
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:53.239
<v Speaker 5>and so I think that that makes him instantly relatable.

885
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:59.599
<v Speaker 5>And I think from a personality standpoint, so like you

886
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:03.360
<v Speaker 5>mentioned the lackluster roster, and I agree with you because

887
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:05.280
<v Speaker 5>when I think of right as you said that, my

888
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:07.480
<v Speaker 5>brain immediately flashedback.

889
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.559
<v Speaker 3>To the lineage that is the NXT title.

890
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.800
<v Speaker 5>And when you think about the people who have held

891
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:18.880
<v Speaker 5>this title, and then you get to twenty twenty six.

892
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:25.599
<v Speaker 5>Tony D'Angelo. To me, now he is a very competent performer.

893
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:28.840
<v Speaker 5>But to me, that's not a name that's carrying a

894
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:33.719
<v Speaker 5>roster now. Is there another name currently that can or

895
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:37.519
<v Speaker 5>should be? I also don't know. I think you're your

896
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.679
<v Speaker 5>point is well met that it is a very Those

897
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.320
<v Speaker 5>last round of call ups really hurt.

898
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:46.119
<v Speaker 3>The talent ballance and the men's side of things.

899
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:52.000
<v Speaker 5>But I do think that Cruz is someone who has

900
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:56.000
<v Speaker 5>a bit more name recognition across wrestling in general. I

901
00:51:56.079 --> 00:52:00.679
<v Speaker 5>think people have followed his work in TNA for the

902
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:03.079
<v Speaker 5>spell that he was there. I know he popped up

903
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:06.199
<v Speaker 5>in Japan a couple of times when he was with Ortiz,

904
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:12.079
<v Speaker 5>and so maybe it is the right call to have

905
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:16.519
<v Speaker 5>him win and sort of carry this division for a bit.

906
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:20.719
<v Speaker 5>But I do agree where did it go? Oh, provided

907
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:24.199
<v Speaker 5>that Goodfellow was talking about Tony D and getting lost.

908
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:28.440
<v Speaker 5>I think if if in the next four to six

909
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:33.119
<v Speaker 5>weeks this is Tony D's call up, I agree. I

910
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:38.199
<v Speaker 5>don't think that he is enough to stand out against

911
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:43.719
<v Speaker 5>the very clear characters of the main roster, But perhaps

912
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.320
<v Speaker 5>I'm mistaken and there's something that we're not seeing that

913
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 5>just needs a little tweaking when he gets there. So,

914
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.599
<v Speaker 5>you know, I like the segment. I like the three

915
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:55.840
<v Speaker 5>the very different approaches by all three of those men.

916
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.440
<v Speaker 5>Quite honestly, I think we're heading for everybody's favorite match,

917
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:05.800
<v Speaker 5>the Triple Threat, because with the weeks to build until

918
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:09.679
<v Speaker 5>heat Wave, I would imagine that next week is going

919
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:12.559
<v Speaker 5>to be some sort of no finish, So then they'll

920
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:18.719
<v Speaker 5>do it again the next week and then try to

921
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:21.320
<v Speaker 5>get more time out of this build excuse me, building

922
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:26.239
<v Speaker 5>the heat Wave and then of course, and then and

923
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:30.239
<v Speaker 5>Goodfellow just used the name again too. Why do we

924
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 5>have a very recent IWGP champion not sniffing that title

925
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:41.320
<v Speaker 5>scene like insistently, like he's got it and he needs

926
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.840
<v Speaker 5>to be there too. So I think that's also perhaps

927
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:48.280
<v Speaker 5>an oversight by the group, But I'm not the one

928
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:49.920
<v Speaker 5>paying the bills or making the decision.

929
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:54.199
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<v Speaker 3>What do you thinking all of that? Oh? I think

947
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:57.400
<v Speaker 3>you're on mute Nate yep, I was.

948
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.480
<v Speaker 2>The train went by, so I muted myself and forgot time.

949
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:01.079
<v Speaker 4>You and myself.

950
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.639
<v Speaker 2>No, so Naraku, you know he's he's had the couple,

951
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, the couple runs chances at the title, and

952
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:12.840
<v Speaker 2>we haven't actually seen him since, so maybe he'll come back.

953
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:16.320
<v Speaker 2>And try to challenge for the title or whatnot. But

954
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:21.519
<v Speaker 2>that was one of my criticism criticisms about him challenging

955
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:24.119
<v Speaker 2>and losing for the title twice, is what does he

956
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:28.760
<v Speaker 2>do next? You know, we figure he's probably gonna be

957
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:32.639
<v Speaker 2>an NXT short term. You know, you know, he was

958
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:35.280
<v Speaker 2>the one who actually requested to go to NXT rather

959
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:38.280
<v Speaker 2>than the main roster, So I'm assuming the company wants

960
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:40.920
<v Speaker 2>him on the main roster. He just wanted to take

961
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:43.000
<v Speaker 2>his time in NXT and make sure he learned the

962
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.599
<v Speaker 2>right things and the right way to do things.

963
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:46.119
<v Speaker 4>In w w E.

964
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:52.239
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I I I would assume you'd want to

965
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:54.760
<v Speaker 2>put him in the main title picture, like you said,

966
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:58.960
<v Speaker 2>former ii WGB champion. You know, a lot going on

967
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:02.679
<v Speaker 2>over in New Japan, and so why not utilize that

968
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:06.280
<v Speaker 2>and rather than let him sit at home or in catering.

969
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:11.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming I don't know, but wherever he is with.

970
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:14.800
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I can't find any flault with what

971
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:17.239
<v Speaker 2>you said either, you know, regarding the other three. I mean,

972
00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:20.679
<v Speaker 2>so Tony D'Angelo, you know, we never thought he'd be

973
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.760
<v Speaker 2>NXT champion because of his prior gimmick, you know, the

974
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:26.840
<v Speaker 2>mafioso gimmick. I was a lot higher on that gimmick

975
00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:29.280
<v Speaker 2>than I think a lot of a lot of us

976
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:34.480
<v Speaker 2>that hosts the show. But I just like the mafioso

977
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:39.039
<v Speaker 2>type gimmick, so it appealed to me. But I even

978
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think it was going to be a w

979
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:47.719
<v Speaker 2>W or an NXT championship gimmick. This version of Tony

980
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:52.159
<v Speaker 2>D'Angelo w W NXT champion. Absolutely he is now and

981
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:56.199
<v Speaker 2>I think he's doing a fair job. He's not, you know,

982
00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:58.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's gonna go down history. He's the

983
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:00.599
<v Speaker 2>best NXT champion. I don't think he's gonna and History

984
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:04.000
<v Speaker 2>is the worst NXT champion, solidly in the middle there.

985
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.239
<v Speaker 2>But what happens when he inevitably goes up to the

986
00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:12.880
<v Speaker 2>main roster, I don't know. I I think if he

987
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:16.880
<v Speaker 2>goes back to the fire that he had when he

988
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:21.480
<v Speaker 2>re debuted this version of Tony D'Angelo, but when he,

989
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:24.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, basically came back and said he wanted the title,

990
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:26.360
<v Speaker 2>there were two things he wanted to do, take care

991
00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:29.480
<v Speaker 2>of Dark State and get the title. If we saw

992
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:32.239
<v Speaker 2>that version, that hungry version of Tony D'Angelo and the

993
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:37.239
<v Speaker 2>main roster, maybe I still do. I'm still not positive

994
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.119
<v Speaker 2>it would go over well. I think it would need

995
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:41.880
<v Speaker 2>to be booked right against the right opponent and whatnot,

996
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:46.639
<v Speaker 2>but that could work. I am worried about him when

997
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:48.840
<v Speaker 2>he gets up on the main roster with this particular character,

998
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:51.559
<v Speaker 2>I think he might he may just easily fade into

999
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:56.159
<v Speaker 2>the background, similar to Carrion Cross, Killer Cross, you know,

1000
00:57:56.239 --> 00:58:02.480
<v Speaker 2>something like that, assuming that they don't put him in like,

1001
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:06.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, a skirt and mask when he debuts. But

1002
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.840
<v Speaker 2>there's that on the main roster. Grayson Waller, Yeah, like

1003
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:14.920
<v Speaker 2>I already said, I think he's a great addition to

1004
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:17.159
<v Speaker 2>the NXT roster. I talked a lot about it last week.

1005
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:19.679
<v Speaker 2>But you know, he hasn't been doing much on the

1006
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:23.920
<v Speaker 2>main roster, so why not let him debut kind of

1007
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:27.719
<v Speaker 2>like get this side of himself out there, build that

1008
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.840
<v Speaker 2>character up so when he does go back to the

1009
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:35.880
<v Speaker 2>main roster or a w TNA wherever he winds up next,

1010
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:40.440
<v Speaker 2>he'll be able to use that and kind of hopefully

1011
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:42.079
<v Speaker 2>become more of a main event player.

1012
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:43.000
<v Speaker 4>But if he.

1013
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Continues to do what he's what he did last week

1014
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:50.880
<v Speaker 2>and presumably what he did tonight, I think we might

1015
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:54.760
<v Speaker 2>have something with Grayson Waller. I, I was so impressed

1016
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:59.159
<v Speaker 2>with that promo last week, you know, so yeah, I'm

1017
00:58:59.159 --> 00:58:59.920
<v Speaker 2>really happy.

1018
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:01.119
<v Speaker 4>To see him doing that.

1019
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:05.679
<v Speaker 2>So goodfella, says when ranking the all time NXT champions,

1020
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised if Tony was on the bottom

1021
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:11.639
<v Speaker 2>of my list, even Bodallas cooked for a while. Yeah,

1022
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, totally fair, totally fair, you know, really if again,

1023
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:19.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'd have to actually look at the list

1024
00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:20.199
<v Speaker 2>of champions.

1025
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:22.360
<v Speaker 4>I used to be able to name them off all

1026
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:23.239
<v Speaker 4>the top.

1027
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:28.239
<v Speaker 5>Of champions held the belt for fifteen months. Yeah, and

1028
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:32.079
<v Speaker 5>you didn't have every every six to eight months a

1029
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:33.119
<v Speaker 5>flip of some kind.

1030
00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:35.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but.

1031
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so all right, let's uh, let's keep moving. I'm

1032
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.079
<v Speaker 2>gonna I'm gonna throw a couple of the match here,

1033
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:45.519
<v Speaker 2>so we're not just because we got a few segments

1034
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:49.079
<v Speaker 2>that we were not going one by one, so h

1035
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:54.000
<v Speaker 2>we see the cracks continue with OTM Bronco, Neema and

1036
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Lucian Price attempted to discuss Nima's work with Paris to

1037
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:01.079
<v Speaker 2>mal In Triple A. Uh I described the group as

1038
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:04.679
<v Speaker 2>name was backup plan and suggest that he might need

1039
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:08.599
<v Speaker 2>plans of his own. Birthright interrupted, leading Price to accept

1040
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:13.039
<v Speaker 2>the singles match against Lexis King. The story strongly teased

1041
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:18.960
<v Speaker 2>problems between them and Price, so you know, and and

1042
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:21.920
<v Speaker 2>if memory service, I kind of did see part of this.

1043
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:28.719
<v Speaker 2>I think Price called Price, called this his backup plan,

1044
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Lexus his backup plan, So you know, I don't know,

1045
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not I don't really like the idea of splitting

1046
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:41.239
<v Speaker 2>OTM up. I'm hoping if they kind of do something

1047
01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:44.440
<v Speaker 2>different with them. You know, maybe they do kind of

1048
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:48.119
<v Speaker 2>have their little singles runs, doing their own separate thing,

1049
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:51.480
<v Speaker 2>but they're still affiliated with one another, and they don't

1050
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.679
<v Speaker 2>break up the group because I think they work.

1051
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:55.280
<v Speaker 4>Really well together.

1052
01:00:56.360 --> 01:01:00.119
<v Speaker 2>So OTM and then we'll throw to Mason Rook in

1053
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Cam Hendricks brawling backstage, I guess Mason Rook confronted Grayson

1054
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Waller on his criticism of the NXT roster, and as

1055
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.760
<v Speaker 2>right as Grace and Waller was about to give his response,

1056
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Cam Hendricks attacked Rook from behind and the two had

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01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:18.960
<v Speaker 2>to be separated. So let me let me throw to

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01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:19.639
<v Speaker 2>you for those two.

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01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:20.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:24.599
<v Speaker 5>I so on the on the topic of OTM, I

1061
01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:30.360
<v Speaker 5>I don't think that either one is distinct enough that

1062
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:33.639
<v Speaker 5>a split would do any good for anybody, And and

1063
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:37.079
<v Speaker 5>of course, uh, you know, there's something to be said

1064
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:40.840
<v Speaker 5>for trying to let them swim on their own a

1065
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:46.199
<v Speaker 5>little bit. But I think that their strength as it

1066
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:49.599
<v Speaker 5>stands now is in the in the team and not

1067
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:54.480
<v Speaker 5>in being single stars, because I don't think either of

1068
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:57.400
<v Speaker 5>them then to me, they both fall into the same

1069
01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:00.000
<v Speaker 5>mold as a jasper try And now you've got three

1070
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:02.800
<v Speaker 5>of those guys, and I think as a tag team

1071
01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:06.320
<v Speaker 5>they have a chance to really stand out as one

1072
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:10.519
<v Speaker 5>of those just big bruiser tag teams that that the

1073
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:13.719
<v Speaker 5>roster's kind of lacking right now, And so I don't

1074
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:16.679
<v Speaker 5>think that a split up should happen. But also if

1075
01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:19.639
<v Speaker 5>we remember back to our dear friends Fhraxium, who for

1076
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:23.679
<v Speaker 5>the better part of about eight months teased dissension and

1077
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:28.000
<v Speaker 5>breakup and cracks, and here we are two years later

1078
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:31.800
<v Speaker 5>and they're still together, rocket and rolling. So you know,

1079
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:33.679
<v Speaker 5>we'll see how it plays out, but I don't think

1080
01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:36.599
<v Speaker 5>splitting them up would be a good idea. And then

1081
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:42.599
<v Speaker 5>the Mason Rook, Cam Hendricks, Grayson Waller, Shenanigans. I think

1082
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:44.639
<v Speaker 5>the thing that stuck out to me most about that

1083
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:49.280
<v Speaker 5>was that there was there was a hesitation and I'll

1084
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:52.119
<v Speaker 5>see if Pete and or a goodfellow were paying attention.

1085
01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:56.639
<v Speaker 5>When Cam Hendricks first hits Rook in the back of

1086
01:02:56.719 --> 01:03:02.079
<v Speaker 5>the head, there is this weird hesitation where Waller almost

1087
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:04.800
<v Speaker 5>was going to like jump in and kind of comes

1088
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:08.840
<v Speaker 5>back and Cam. I think Cam Hendricks flashed the camera

1089
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:11.719
<v Speaker 5>like I think he looked right in the camera's face

1090
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:15.000
<v Speaker 5>as like a oh did I come into early? Did

1091
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.000
<v Speaker 5>I come into eight? And then goes and hits him

1092
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:20.159
<v Speaker 5>again off camera, and I was like, oh, buddy, that's

1093
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:23.519
<v Speaker 5>probably not the best way to get people behind the

1094
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:25.400
<v Speaker 5>camera to be happy with what's going on. But I

1095
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:28.760
<v Speaker 5>think he did look like right at the camera as

1096
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:30.519
<v Speaker 5>one of those like deer in the headlights, sort of

1097
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:32.880
<v Speaker 5>like you're a lot closer than I thought you would be,

1098
01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:34.639
<v Speaker 5>and here I am trying to beat this guy up

1099
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:39.440
<v Speaker 5>sort of deal. But yeah, Rook is another one that

1100
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:44.360
<v Speaker 5>similar to Naraku that you brought him in with a

1101
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:49.360
<v Speaker 5>lot of pomp and he's not been pumping. And that's

1102
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:51.239
<v Speaker 5>not his fault, right, There's just a lot of people

1103
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.360
<v Speaker 5>that need to be on TV, and there's a lot

1104
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:55.480
<v Speaker 5>of people they need to give time to, and so

1105
01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:59.840
<v Speaker 5>I think he's another one that's suffering. And you know,

1106
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:02.960
<v Speaker 5>I suppose any TV time is better than no TV time,

1107
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:06.000
<v Speaker 5>But you know, I want him in the in the

1108
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:09.519
<v Speaker 5>in the ring, wrestling and getting the people behind him,

1109
01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:13.199
<v Speaker 5>not tussling with you know, a person he's going to

1110
01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:16.519
<v Speaker 5>be wrestling anyway, you know, in the break room of

1111
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:18.360
<v Speaker 5>of of the performance center.

1112
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:19.920
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know that.

1113
01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:22.119
<v Speaker 5>They're doing right by either of them that well anyway,

1114
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:26.000
<v Speaker 5>but you know time will tell hopefully.

1115
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:32.559
<v Speaker 9>So need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts?

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01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:35.960
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01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:39.480
<v Speaker 9>Paradise at Peterwood Torch VP as we mask on the

1118
01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:42.239
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1119
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.239
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1120
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:49.760
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1121
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:52.559
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1122
01:04:52.639 --> 01:04:55.599
<v Speaker 9>fun historical shows such as the We Love Liger series

1123
01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:59.599
<v Speaker 9>celebrating the glorious career of Jusi and Thunderlighter, and Our

1124
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:02.119
<v Speaker 9>Eyes There When shows where our guests will join me

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01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:04.480
<v Speaker 9>to talk about a classic bout that they were in

1126
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:08.119
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01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:11.960
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01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:15.639
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01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:23.960
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01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:27.639
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01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:30.199
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1133
01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:32.159
<v Speaker 3>See you in the Paradise.

1134
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:36.360
<v Speaker 4>And then we'll go to.

1135
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:42.719
<v Speaker 2>The calling is Lizzie Rain and Seawan Spears backstage. The

1136
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:47.039
<v Speaker 2>calling continued antagonizing Lizzy Rain despite Lisey defeating Izy Dame

1137
01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:51.679
<v Speaker 2>last week. Seawn Spears came to Rayne's defense and said

1138
01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:55.519
<v Speaker 2>that he has a match. He talked to mister Stone,

1139
01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:59.239
<v Speaker 2>who got a match made between he and Rain versus

1140
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:03.199
<v Speaker 2>the culling Rain said she didn't trust him and fears

1141
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:06.119
<v Speaker 2>and basically said that if he doesn't keep his nose clean,

1142
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:10.360
<v Speaker 2>match could become three on one pretty quick. So there's that,

1143
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:13.719
<v Speaker 2>and then I'll also throw Dark the Dark State segment atcha.

1144
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Dion Lennox was criticized by the other two members of

1145
01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:23.199
<v Speaker 2>Dark State for becoming complacent. Lennox was particularly or sorry

1146
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:27.199
<v Speaker 2>uh not becoming he said that Dean Lennox said that

1147
01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:31.719
<v Speaker 2>they were becoming complacent. Rather, Lennox was particularly angry about

1148
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:34.639
<v Speaker 2>Grayson Waller calling the group soft, and he announced that

1149
01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:38.199
<v Speaker 2>Dark State would deal with Saquan Sugar Sugars next week.

1150
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:42.840
<v Speaker 2>So the Dark State segment and the Culling and Lizzie Rain.

1151
01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:46.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, firstly, I need to know if I can get

1152
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:50.400
<v Speaker 5>the shirt that that Grayson Waller was wearing. I got

1153
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:52.800
<v Speaker 5>such a kick out of that shirt or quartersip whatever

1154
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:56.119
<v Speaker 5>it was that I want to buy one of those immediately.

1155
01:06:59.119 --> 01:06:59.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1156
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:02.840
<v Speaker 5>Again, both of these segments were just kind of okay,

1157
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:05.719
<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean, Like the Culling has become

1158
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:10.920
<v Speaker 5>such a shell of what it was, and even when

1159
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:14.920
<v Speaker 5>it was in its heyday, was it really a power mover?

1160
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:18.960
<v Speaker 5>Probably not, you know. To me, this is really just

1161
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:22.639
<v Speaker 5>sort of keeping the Lizzy Rain Izzy Dame thing moving

1162
01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:27.400
<v Speaker 5>forward and it's more of a backdrop for that. And

1163
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:29.239
<v Speaker 5>then Dark State, you know what I mean, Like I

1164
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:33.880
<v Speaker 5>feel like, you know, they're they're trying and then they're

1165
01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:38.199
<v Speaker 5>they're trying to push them in a couple of directions

1166
01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:42.679
<v Speaker 5>to keep their storyline fresh, but I don't in my

1167
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:45.039
<v Speaker 5>humble opinion, And again it's not my money and it's

1168
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:47.920
<v Speaker 5>not my decisions, but I think it's probably time to

1169
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:51.119
<v Speaker 5>cut bait and see if we can't do something with

1170
01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:53.280
<v Speaker 5>these three guys that'll give them more of a chance

1171
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:59.840
<v Speaker 5>to shine, because, similar to Retribution, their faction isn't okay

1172
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:04.679
<v Speaker 5>us bringing. They're not feared. They're just three guys in

1173
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:09.400
<v Speaker 5>black clothing who huff and gruff a lot about being

1174
01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:10.480
<v Speaker 5>the chaos.

1175
01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:12.119
<v Speaker 3>Without actually being the chaos.

1176
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:16.319
<v Speaker 5>So the segments were fine, they got the people on television,

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01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:20.000
<v Speaker 5>but again, I want to see Lizzie Rain in the ring.

1178
01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:22.279
<v Speaker 5>I love her finish, I want to see more of that.

1179
01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:25.439
<v Speaker 5>I don't want her in the back chit chatting with

1180
01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:33.159
<v Speaker 5>the the the shell of the culling and goodfella, how

1181
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:36.560
<v Speaker 5>dare you leave bj sexy Ray.

1182
01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:39.399
<v Speaker 3>In catering where he belongs?

1183
01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, So that's one of my biggest complaints with

1184
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:48.800
<v Speaker 2>with Dark State is you know, they when they debuted,

1185
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:52.039
<v Speaker 2>it felt like they were this faction that was going

1186
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:55.800
<v Speaker 2>to upset the very core of NXT, and that was

1187
01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:59.560
<v Speaker 2>the way they were presented, and they've never done that.

1188
01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:03.880
<v Speaker 2>They did maybe a little bit in TNA, especially going

1189
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:10.520
<v Speaker 2>into Bound for Glory last year, but that was about it.

1190
01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:16.840
<v Speaker 2>They've had their moments, but for the most part, Yeah,

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01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:20.359
<v Speaker 2>I think it just might. It's either time to pull

1192
01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:23.680
<v Speaker 2>the trigger on Dark State finally and make them do

1193
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:28.239
<v Speaker 2>something that does shake up the core of NXT, or.

1194
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:34.880
<v Speaker 4>Let them do something else. I don't think dark State's working.

1195
01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it has worked from the get go,

1196
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:40.359
<v Speaker 2>And to be honest, I can't believe it's a year

1197
01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:43.680
<v Speaker 2>and a half on maybe two years now talking about

1198
01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:47.920
<v Speaker 2>dark State. I didn't think the faction would last as

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01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:50.439
<v Speaker 2>nearly as long as it did or as it has.

1200
01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:57.600
<v Speaker 2>All right, then we have two more segments. One was

1201
01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:02.720
<v Speaker 2>that hilarious Shiloh Hill injury updates segment I did. I

1202
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:07.920
<v Speaker 2>did catch all of that, basically a little pre tape

1203
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:11.000
<v Speaker 2>segment where he said that he part of his skull

1204
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:14.359
<v Speaker 2>is fractured. He mentioned the name of the bone, couldn't

1205
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:17.680
<v Speaker 2>tell you what it was. His face is broken, guys,

1206
01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:19.840
<v Speaker 2>his face is broken. He's going to be out of

1207
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:22.399
<v Speaker 2>action for a little bit. But he said he it's

1208
01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:25.880
<v Speaker 2>given him plenty of time to research things online and

1209
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:29.199
<v Speaker 2>started just kind of spouting out random facts on you know,

1210
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:32.439
<v Speaker 2>people on the roster. Even brought up the fact that

1211
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Pat Patterson won the intercontinental title in a tournament in

1212
01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Rio de Janeiro, yet nobody has any record or proof

1213
01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:45.199
<v Speaker 2>or photos or anything about it. And I just thought,

1214
01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:48.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, great, if you know you know, I'm sure

1215
01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:50.039
<v Speaker 2>everybody listening to this probably does.

1216
01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:53.239
<v Speaker 4>So I thought that was great.

1217
01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Shiloh continues to just be an unnational treasure and I

1218
01:10:57.960 --> 01:10:59.079
<v Speaker 2>can't wait for him.

1219
01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:00.399
<v Speaker 4>To heal up and it back.

1220
01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:04.960
<v Speaker 2>So we had that, and then Robert Stone was shown

1221
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:08.119
<v Speaker 2>speaking by the phone about the availability of an unnamed

1222
01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:10.359
<v Speaker 2>free agent, but we don't know who it is.

1223
01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:14.199
<v Speaker 4>So on Shiloh and who.

1224
01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:18.720
<v Speaker 3>You think it is? Remember with Robert Stone, I don't know.

1225
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:21.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know at this point.

1226
01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:26.880
<v Speaker 5>If they're willing to bring Grace and Waller back, it

1227
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:30.039
<v Speaker 5>could be a main roster person that is not getting

1228
01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:36.079
<v Speaker 5>a lot of work. You know, unrelated to tonight's episode,

1229
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:41.279
<v Speaker 5>but related to NXT and WW in general. Do we

1230
01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:46.800
<v Speaker 5>need to create a milk carton for Jordan Grace? I

1231
01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:52.720
<v Speaker 5>continue to lament, how awful. Not since Shanna Basler have

1232
01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:56.640
<v Speaker 5>they bungled something that was so just ready made and

1233
01:11:56.760 --> 01:11:59.239
<v Speaker 5>had had had all the pieces ready to go.

1234
01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:03.359
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I.

1235
01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:06.920
<v Speaker 5>You know the thing I think that stuck out to

1236
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:09.319
<v Speaker 5>me about the Shiloh thing, And I think he's one

1237
01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:12.439
<v Speaker 5>of those characters, like you know, watching him on LFG,

1238
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:16.239
<v Speaker 5>you know, for as much of the real person you

1239
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:19.359
<v Speaker 5>think you get to know about him, I think he's

1240
01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:22.399
<v Speaker 5>probably like this character you're seeing is him.

1241
01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:25.359
<v Speaker 3>Just a bit right?

1242
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:27.079
<v Speaker 5>I bet if you took him to, you know, a

1243
01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:30.319
<v Speaker 5>bar and had wings, he'd probably be spouting off facts

1244
01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:32.840
<v Speaker 5>and that sort of thing. But I think the thing

1245
01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:35.319
<v Speaker 5>that stuck out to me for someone who in all

1246
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:37.720
<v Speaker 5>the weeks leading up to this has continued to profess

1247
01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:40.439
<v Speaker 5>how intelligent he is and how well read he is,

1248
01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:43.520
<v Speaker 5>for him to have never heard about the maxilla bone

1249
01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:46.760
<v Speaker 5>in the face, Like that is a bone in the face,

1250
01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:50.600
<v Speaker 5>and anyone who has taken sort of anatomy one oh

1251
01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:53.680
<v Speaker 5>one learns about the bones in the skull, like I

1252
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:56.079
<v Speaker 5>just the way he was like, oh, some very unknown

1253
01:12:56.159 --> 01:12:59.039
<v Speaker 5>bone called the maxilla, and I'm like what.

1254
01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:00.680
<v Speaker 3>And then on the list.

1255
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I never did take anatomy one on one, So I

1256
01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:05.439
<v Speaker 2>don't feel bad not knowing about that bone.

1257
01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:09.720
<v Speaker 5>Good, But this gentleman purports to be this learned, well

1258
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<v Speaker 5>read person, and to learn that one of the primary

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<v Speaker 5>bones in the face got fractured, and he's like very

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<v Speaker 5>rare and I hadn't heard about this book that really

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<v Speaker 5>stuck out to me.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I like that.

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<v Speaker 5>If this injury, of course is legit and he's going

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01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:30.319
<v Speaker 5>to be out a little bit, he's someone that needs

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<v Speaker 5>to be on camera. They've got to find a way

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<v Speaker 5>to continue to let his character be a part of it.

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<v Speaker 5>And if it's going to be these sort of random

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<v Speaker 5>fact of the day, was Shiloh good because, like I said,

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<v Speaker 5>I think people really buy into him, that that is him,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think he delivers on it very well.

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<v Speaker 3>So whether it's a earthquaky.

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<v Speaker 5>FaceTime video to the tune of what my six year

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<v Speaker 5>old does when she talks to her grandmother as she's

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<v Speaker 5>walking around the house, or in front of an actual

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<v Speaker 5>camera for pre tape, all the same. I like him

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01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:08.800
<v Speaker 5>on camera and I think he's a character that they need,

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<v Speaker 5>despite whether he's able to perform or not.

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<v Speaker 2>So we just got my mom and iPhone. She's been

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01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:20.000
<v Speaker 2>an Android user forever, so now she's able to FaceTime

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01:14:20.640 --> 01:14:23.520
<v Speaker 2>and when she does, I get to stare up her nose.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeh, she doesn't know to hold it up, like yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So my mom is a recent iPhone convert from the

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01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:37.079
<v Speaker 5>flip phone and still has trouble like flipping the camera

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<v Speaker 5>and it's like I'm looking at her couch or it's

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<v Speaker 5>just a gray screen and I'm like, Mama, you gotta

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<v Speaker 5>hit I'm with you.

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01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:44.319
<v Speaker 3>I feel your pain.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep yeph man.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well with that, that is going to bring

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<v Speaker 2>us to our episode of PWT Talks NXT here tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry I couldn't get more up. There's the train.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you can hear the train. Can

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01:14:58.479 --> 01:14:59.159
<v Speaker 2>you hear the train?

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01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:03.159
<v Speaker 3>I cannot hear the trend, but conditioning going behind me?

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01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:04.000
<v Speaker 4>All right? Good?

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01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:06.359
<v Speaker 2>So the noise canceling good enough? Where I mean that

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01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:09.600
<v Speaker 2>thing's blaring. I got the window open. I'm surprised you

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01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:13.760
<v Speaker 2>can't hear it. But yeah, sorry, I couldn't give a

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01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:18.239
<v Speaker 2>little bit more tonight. But uh, work kind of took

1300
01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:21.520
<v Speaker 2>my life away from me tonight. So there is that

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01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:25.479
<v Speaker 2>being on call every seven weeks sucks. And it's funny.

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01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm only on call once every seven weeks for a

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01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:32.600
<v Speaker 2>week and the only times I ever get called are

1304
01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Tuesday nights, and it's usually right beforecause this is maybe

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01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:38.479
<v Speaker 2>the third or fourth time where this has happened to

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01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:41.479
<v Speaker 2>me now over the last few years. But anyway, I'm

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01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Nate Lindberg. You can check the things I do at

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01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Nate Lindbergh dot com. As far as I'm aware, Kelly

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01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:49.720
<v Speaker 2>does not have a freaking excuse to not be here

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<v Speaker 2>next week, so hopefully we'll get the band back together

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01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:59.079
<v Speaker 2>once again, Kevin. Even though Kelly wasn't here, there's nobody

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01:15:59.119 --> 01:16:01.880
<v Speaker 2>else I'd rather end about an hour or so talking

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<v Speaker 2>wrestling with.

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<v Speaker 4>So thank you very much for joining me.

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<v Speaker 5>Man As always, it's always an honor to be asked.

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01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:11.359
<v Speaker 5>It's great to talk wrestling with you. I'm sorry that

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01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:15.119
<v Speaker 5>you had a work emergency, but I think we we did.

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01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:18.800
<v Speaker 5>We did great by the show and by the by

1319
01:16:18.880 --> 01:16:23.439
<v Speaker 5>the the product in general, so fear not. And yeah, unfortunately,

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01:16:23.479 --> 01:16:26.439
<v Speaker 5>I think I've I've told a lot of you by

1321
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:30.399
<v Speaker 5>now that my Twitter account was hacked some days ago,

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01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:33.760
<v Speaker 5>and Twitter doesn't seem to be in a rush to

1323
01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:36.560
<v Speaker 5>help me figure that out. So if that's your primary

1324
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:41.239
<v Speaker 5>means of communication, I'm not there right now, but certainly

1325
01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:43.439
<v Speaker 5>if you want, reach out through the chat and we

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01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:45.560
<v Speaker 5>can figure out a way to get a hold of me.

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01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:48.680
<v Speaker 5>So thank you as always for asking me. I look

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01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:52.279
<v Speaker 5>forward to the next time and until then, office hours

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01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:52.920
<v Speaker 5>are now over.

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<v Speaker 2>I just got a discord message from job and I

1331
01:16:56.439 --> 01:16:59.720
<v Speaker 2>guess a little upset that that they're not my favorite

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01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:06.239
<v Speaker 2>person in the time. Yeah, yeah, so sorry Jovin second favorite.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know you guys are both.

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01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:11.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm not here to disrupt the harmony. I'm not breaking

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<v Speaker 3>up a happy.

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