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Speaker 2: And Welcome to another episode of PWT Talks and x T.
Speaker 2: I'm your host for the evening, Nate Lindberg. Check the
Speaker 2: things I do out at Nate Lindberg dot com. This
Speaker 2: is gonna be an interesting show tonight because he was
Speaker 2: able to do the report but not able to do
Speaker 2: the show and about oh.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Five ten minutes before it was time to do the
Speaker 2: show or to watch NXT tonight, I'm on call and
Speaker 2: I had to jump on a zoom call and take
Speaker 2: care of some business until about a minute before Kendall
Speaker 2: got her head busted open, So I had things on
Speaker 2: in the background.
Speaker 4: I saw most of what was going on, but couldn't
Speaker 4: really pay attention.
Speaker 2: So I'm here to kind of host the show tonight,
Speaker 2: and the man to talk about everything is our guy,
Speaker 2: the Professor Kevin Pikatany PhD. Kevin, thanks for filling in
Speaker 2: for Kelly tonight.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: I'm so honored to be here. I'm ready to ready
Speaker 5: to help shepherd the show to a successful run here.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I'm sure I'll still have things to
Speaker 2: say and talk about and whatnot and bustle.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: Also, if you didn't check it out, I was able
Speaker 2: to host Wrestling Night in America for SummerSlam Night two,
Speaker 2: So if you haven't checked that out yet, go and
Speaker 2: check it out and see what Paul Waggle and I
Speaker 2: had to say all about SummerSlam. But tonight it's NXT.
Speaker 2: I'm back in the NXT seat. Holy crap, Kendall Gray
Speaker 2: got busted open in that main event. So Kevin and
Speaker 2: I were talking for a little bit before went on
Speaker 2: the air. I'm pretty sure it was an ear drum
Speaker 2: or something along those lines. There's right after the ref
Speaker 2: started wiping the blood away.
Speaker 4: From her ear.
Speaker 2: The first time you can kind of see it. I
Speaker 2: went back to double check, and I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 2: saw blood just pouring out of her ear canal.
Speaker 4: So a little scary. I hope she's okay. Obviously, they
Speaker 4: let her go.
Speaker 2: Ahead and continue the match, where she did pick up
Speaker 2: the victory over Lola Ice in what I'm assuming is
Speaker 2: Lola ICE's farewell to NXT. It kind of felt that
Speaker 2: way towards the at the very end, where you know,
Speaker 2: they gave each other a hug and she raised her hand,
Speaker 2: she raised Kendall's hand, kind of signaling that she is
Speaker 2: the she is the champion, the rightful champion, and and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Usually when we see something like that, it's a main
Speaker 2: roster call up. There's been kind of rumblings that that
Speaker 2: might be the case, but who knows, we may wind
Speaker 2: up seeing Lola again next week. Kevin, what did you
Speaker 2: think of the match? But moreover, do you think that
Speaker 2: they should have potentially stopped the match rather than allowing
Speaker 2: her to continue? She looked like she might have potentially
Speaker 2: been concussed. Obviously with just a quick EVL you know
Speaker 2: at ringside, I'm not a medical guy. I fixed computers
Speaker 2: for a living, But I don't know if you'd know
Speaker 2: right off the bat if she's actually concussed or not.
Speaker 2: She'd seemed to, you know, be stumbling around and not
Speaker 2: really being able to walk stand up. I don't know
Speaker 2: if that was selling or if her equilibrium was, like, really.
Speaker 3: That messed up.
Speaker 2: So since you're the one with doctor in your name, well,
Speaker 2: what is your diagnosis? I know it's a different type
Speaker 2: of doctor, but what is your diagnosis?
Speaker 3: Asterisk asterisk.
Speaker 5: Nothing that's about to come out of my mouth should
Speaker 5: be construed as medical advice in any way. Make sure
Speaker 5: we cover the legalities there. I can for sure say
Speaker 5: she got her bell rum. I while I am an
Speaker 5: academic doctor, I do have a fair amount of experience
Speaker 5: in things like athletic training and exercise science and that
Speaker 5: sort of thing. And no two concussions present the same way.
Speaker 5: There are general sort of signs that that's probably what happened,
Speaker 5: but the way in which someone gets hit their body
Speaker 5: all the all the factors play in, so there's no
Speaker 5: way for sure to tell. I don't think it would
Speaker 5: be a stretch to say that it was a low
Speaker 5: grade one, because the higher grade ones typically result in
Speaker 5: you being out for a while. It was quite a
Speaker 5: bit of blood pouring out of her ear, as you mentioned,
Speaker 5: and I I certainly they had the ref checking on her,
Speaker 5: and then I saw the medical guy attending to her,
Speaker 5: and I have to believe, especially with as many cooks
Speaker 5: are in the kitchen from the administrative payroll money side,
Speaker 5: that they would not have let her continue if it
Speaker 5: was something dire Now ruptured ear drum is not good.
Speaker 5: That will require rest and and and.
Speaker 3: Some evaluation by.
Speaker 5: An actual medical professional, probably an ears, nose and throat physician.
Speaker 5: But it's not It certainly is not career ending. It's
Speaker 5: probably not even it. She'll be out a week if that,
Speaker 5: but it was bad and she definitely, I don't know
Speaker 5: if it was I couldn't tell what the strike was
Speaker 5: that did it, but it definitely was something that probably
Speaker 5: should not hit the side of her head. And you know,
Speaker 5: I think there were a couple of hits in the
Speaker 5: match tonight, and I imagine you probably saw a couple
Speaker 5: as you were checking back in and forth, But there
Speaker 5: were a couple of hits that to me look like
Speaker 5: they landed in not the adequate or not the proper spot.
Speaker 5: And I think that that comes with the territory of
Speaker 5: this this type of match. Because the lights are much lower,
Speaker 5: there's no ropes, I would imagine spatial awareness is thrown
Speaker 5: off just slightly. There were a couple of back suplexes
Speaker 5: that that Kendall did that I thought were really close
Speaker 5: to the edge that probably wouldn't normally have been had
Speaker 5: the ropes been there. And so I wonder if there's
Speaker 5: sort of a host of those things that contributed to
Speaker 5: some of those lack of timing. I know that that
Speaker 5: Lola delivered a spinning kick to Kendall that looked like
Speaker 5: it hit her in a in a very real sense,
Speaker 5: and maybe not in a spot where she's more protected,
Speaker 5: So I know it was an accident. I don't imagine
Speaker 5: that Lola was actually trying to hit her head off
Speaker 5: her neck alla Mortal Kombat. But it definitely was an accident,
Speaker 5: and and there was there was a price, a physical
Speaker 5: price to be paid.
Speaker 2: So street Fighter, they're hocking street Fighter, not Mortal Kombat.
Speaker 5: Well, but you don't see blood and street Fighter. You
Speaker 5: see the blood in Mortal Kombat. A.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I just thought of the joke, had
Speaker 2: to say it. So, No, it wasn't actually strike at all.
Speaker 2: It was when when Kendall was up on the apron,
Speaker 2: Lola kind of knocked her down and she like hit
Speaker 2: her head off of the steel steps she immediately grabs
Speaker 2: her hand or grabs her ear with her hand, and
Speaker 2: you could actually see three drops of blood land on
Speaker 2: the side of the steel steps pile driver repeat in
Speaker 2: the chat.
Speaker 4: That was really that was real. I thought it was
Speaker 4: a work.
Speaker 2: I hope it was a work, and I hope that
Speaker 2: they have some amazing new special effects that can make
Speaker 2: it seem like less of a work and make it
Speaker 2: seem real, because yeah, I don't want to see her injured, obviously,
Speaker 2: but I'm fairly confident that was real. Like I said
Speaker 2: at the beginning, you could after the ref was wiping
Speaker 2: the blood away from her ear and out of her ear,
Speaker 2: it just immediately pulled right back up. I don't really
Speaker 2: see how they could get like a mechanism or something
Speaker 2: in her ear to spew blood out like that. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I hope she's okay. A couple of things that, you know, again,
Speaker 2: I fix computers for a living, not people. But you know,
Speaker 2: I did notice, like you know, Kendall, she's going for
Speaker 2: a superkick on somebody that might be concussed.
Speaker 4: You've got her.
Speaker 2: You've got Kendall getting thrown out of the ring and
Speaker 2: taking a bump onto the outside. It might have might
Speaker 2: have been a front bump too, not a back bump.
Speaker 2: It might have been a front bump. I think where
Speaker 2: she might be concussed. I don't know, I I personally,
Speaker 2: maybe it's just me.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like the match either should have been changed
Speaker 2: up a little bit, they should have gone home a
Speaker 2: little earlier or just scrapped it, and you know, for
Speaker 2: her sake.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that's tough, Nate, because if you're Fortion is
Speaker 5: right that this was Lola's farewell. Now again, I'm not
Speaker 5: saying put the match over the health of the performers,
Speaker 5: but we needed to finish.
Speaker 2: This is the company that went on and continued over
Speaker 2: the edge ninety nine.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, was that the match where literally was
Speaker 5: that the Steve Austin neck?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: That was when Owen died?
Speaker 5: Okay, well, okay, that's extreme, but yeah, wasn't there a
Speaker 5: Steve Austin or he either got dropped on his head
Speaker 5: or knocked on his head, but he was supposed to win,
Speaker 5: and so like he's lying there paralyzed, and like the
Speaker 5: guy threw himself underneath to get pinned so that they
Speaker 5: got the right it's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was also Owen, But yeah it was when
Speaker 2: Owen spike Austin on his neck and Austin paralyzed and
Speaker 2: then had to do the weakest schoolboy thrown demand to
Speaker 2: get the win. But yeah, I don't know. I hope
Speaker 2: I'm wrong and that I'm I thought it was real
Speaker 2: and they got me.
Speaker 4: But but man, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: That said, uh, you know, injury aside, you know, I
Speaker 2: still think this is a good match. I if this
Speaker 2: is a real injury and it is the ear drum,
Speaker 2: you know, there were definitely moments where she's stumbling in things,
Speaker 2: and you know that that kind of looked like there
Speaker 2: was one of the supplexes, like you said, that got
Speaker 2: really close to the edge. I don't know if those
Speaker 2: would have necessarily happened. I have no idea, no idea
Speaker 2: if you know, if they would have happened if she
Speaker 2: was not injured or not so, But I mean, overall,
Speaker 2: I think it was a good match.
Speaker 4: Sorry, Lola.
Speaker 2: If this is Lola's swan song, you know, I think
Speaker 2: this is a good way for her to go out.
Speaker 2: In a way I wish she didn't go out, and
Speaker 2: if this is her last match. I wish she didn't
Speaker 2: go out in an underground match because that was her
Speaker 2: match and she was undefeated, So she can't continue to
Speaker 2: say she's undefeated to bring that match stipulation to the
Speaker 2: main roster. I mean, she can still bring it to
Speaker 2: main roster, but you can't say she's undefeated.
Speaker 4: That said, though, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Like Kendall so far as champion. I want a little
Speaker 2: bit more out of her. You know, we've talked about
Speaker 2: what is who is she? What is her character other
Speaker 2: than she likes cake and she's happy to be here,
Speaker 2: and she's you know, done a whole you know, she's
Speaker 2: obviously got there through you know, hard work and dedication
Speaker 2: and things like that. But you know, I do want
Speaker 2: to see some more character work and more and more
Speaker 2: character development out of her, because I think the current
Speaker 2: iteration of this character is going to wind up getting
Speaker 2: eaten up on the main roster and kind of fade
Speaker 2: into the background.
Speaker 4: So all right, anything else on the underground.
Speaker 3: No, I Uh.
Speaker 5: I always like the part of those matches I like
Speaker 5: is trying to pick out who's who around the ring. Uh,
Speaker 5: And of course for me, there were some familiar LFG
Speaker 5: faces around there that haven't really got a lot of
Speaker 5: TV time yet. But some of them even I didn't recognize,
Speaker 5: So they could be some of the recent signees or
Speaker 5: the nil people who are getting work in. But it's
Speaker 5: always try to fund always fun for me to try
Speaker 5: to pick people out of the crowd that way.
Speaker 2: Come on, those two, they're not just people. They picked
Speaker 2: out of the crowd and threw them around.
Speaker 5: Yes, I pardon me, pardon Row Row thirteen, Section B
Speaker 5: was the lucky Row tonight, come on down.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, let's uh, let's keep on moving on,
Speaker 2: let's talk and well, you know what, We're just gonna
Speaker 2: go Mayle do matches and then segments rather than move
Speaker 2: around a little bit. So go backwards here, Key new Carver,
Speaker 2: as Booker T would say, Uh, Keanu Carver versus e
Speaker 2: K prospers or Keanu Carver went over about ten minutes
Speaker 2: thirty nine seconds. This was their third singles match. E
Speaker 2: K Prosper had gone over on Keanu Carver in their
Speaker 2: prior to matches this, so what I did see of
Speaker 2: the match, I do like the fact that if they're
Speaker 2: going to go this way and they're going to have
Speaker 2: a smaller guy get over on Keanu Carver. They're playing
Speaker 2: it as like e K has his number. It's hard
Speaker 2: for Ek to get it over like e K had
Speaker 2: to win with you know, roll up or schoolboy or
Speaker 2: something like that, and so it kind of really shows
Speaker 2: how e K is either I don't know, maybe playing
Speaker 2: even inadvertently playing a mental game with him because he
Speaker 2: can't seem to catch him and.
Speaker 4: You know, keep him down.
Speaker 2: But I if they're going to tell the story, I
Speaker 2: kind of like the story development throughout the course of
Speaker 2: the match that kind of tells you the story.
Speaker 4: As I was outlining.
Speaker 2: There, I still can't stand the name me K Prosper.
Speaker 2: I'll say it again, but is what it is? Good
Speaker 2: fella in the chat says this role the roll up
Speaker 2: felt weird. It kind of did. Granted I wasn't looking
Speaker 2: at the screen when the roll up actually happened. I
Speaker 2: was resetting passwords for people at work, but whatever, another
Speaker 2: story for another day.
Speaker 4: But when I looked over and I saw.
Speaker 2: The replay, I was kind of like, ah, man, if
Speaker 2: Cano was going to get the win. I wish it
Speaker 2: was more definitive win, more power, like some sort of
Speaker 2: a powerhouse move or something like that.
Speaker 4: But I'm assuming they have.
Speaker 2: More story to tell here, because it does not feel
Speaker 2: like the story is done. So for the person that
Speaker 2: watched the match, let's find out what you thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 5: Think it was a good You know, certainly if if
Speaker 5: they didn't think that these two gentlemen worked well together,
Speaker 5: they wouldn't be building a series with them. And you
Speaker 5: can tell that they they very much work the big
Speaker 5: man smaller man's style very well. And Kean, who certainly
Speaker 5: has the power game figured out n.
Speaker 3: E K is.
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, the faster, the more nimble competitor. So
Speaker 5: so yeah, I thought the match was good. I too
Speaker 5: wish that it had a considering that Kean who went over,
Speaker 5: that there should have been some sort of more, more
Speaker 5: of a power ending, because I do think even if
Speaker 5: you want them to wrestle again, a roll up or
Speaker 5: something like that, like you're not protecting the series by
Speaker 5: having him win that way, Like you could have had
Speaker 5: him use his finish, do do a power of something
Speaker 5: to cement the fact that he's the power guy. So
Speaker 5: I thought that the ending was weird too, and even
Speaker 5: dare I say, even like looked a little rushed. Maybe
Speaker 5: so we won't know, but it certainly did look look fishy.
Speaker 5: You know, I I as I look at both of
Speaker 5: those guys, and you and Nate mentioned it about Kendall
Speaker 5: needing to really sort of set herself apart as a character.
Speaker 5: I worry about both of the gentlemen in this match because,
Speaker 5: as we've talked about before, Keanu is is very uh
Speaker 5: has has similarities to our good friend the BROCKX slayer Obafemi,
Speaker 5: And I think e K has a very similar look
Speaker 5: and a similar vibe to Leon Slater. And I know
Speaker 5: we haven't seen Leon on NXT lately, but you you,
Speaker 5: you as an organization need to start finding ways for
Speaker 5: these folks to really build on an element of themselves
Speaker 5: that will set them apart, especially when you know, you
Speaker 5: would hate for any one of them to be called
Speaker 5: a diet coke version of right, like they shouldn't be
Speaker 5: their own individuals and be able to separate themselves, and
Speaker 5: so in that way, I just hope they're keeping an
Speaker 5: eye on that for those those two men's sake, because
Speaker 5: you would hate for them to be in a shadow
Speaker 5: that they didn't really know existed.
Speaker 3: When maybe they could have been doing more to establish themselves.
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Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: And I completely agree with you. It's one of the
Speaker 2: Actually I think it's it's criticism. I've had a boat
Speaker 2: both e K Prosper and Canton Carver, COUNTU Carver. You've
Speaker 2: got three people on the episode that all feel exactly
Speaker 2: the same, not the episode and the roster raither that
Speaker 2: to me all feel very similar. I don't want to
Speaker 2: say the same, but very similar. You've got Jasper, Troy,
Speaker 2: Keanu Carver, and now Sequon Sugars. They're all kind of playing,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of that hard type gangster type character.
Speaker 2: They are distinctly different, but I don't feel like they're
Speaker 2: different enough. And they were all into all three of
Speaker 2: them were really introduced, and I say, Saquon, I'm talking
Speaker 2: Sequon's singles run but not necessarily as part of the
Speaker 2: Dark State. But it's all within, you know, a handful
Speaker 2: of months of one another, so I feel like they
Speaker 2: could kind of get muddied and heck, you could even
Speaker 2: lump OTM in there too, like OTM is kind of
Speaker 2: a similar gimmick to what they're going on there. So
Speaker 2: either throw them all in a stable so it makes
Speaker 2: more sense, but I don't necessarily want them to do that.
Speaker 2: More of a joke than anything, but I'd like to
Speaker 2: see him have a little bit more differentiation between the
Speaker 2: three of them. And then, like you said, Leon Slater
Speaker 2: was the one that came to mind, but it may
Speaker 2: as well have because it was Javon Evans that came to.
Speaker 4: Mind, you know, e K it was.
Speaker 2: I think it was the week after Javan got called up, maybe,
Speaker 2: if not the week after. A couple of weeks after
Speaker 2: you have that. E K Prosper got his name and
Speaker 2: was featured on an XT proper pun very much intended.
Speaker 2: Well that wasn't a pun because not Proper, it was Prosper.
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot, but that's fine.
Speaker 4: But once you know he.
Speaker 2: Dropped the Eli Knight name and became a K Prosper,
Speaker 2: it almost and I think we I think Kelly and
Speaker 2: I said it on that show or whoever was on
Speaker 2: that show with me that day. It felt like they
Speaker 2: were just trying to replace Yvon Evans, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: they work to a point, but like you said, I
Speaker 2: I right now e K Prosper, especially with that stupid name,
Speaker 2: feels like the TMU version of Javon Evans, and that's
Speaker 2: that's a shame, because he really is a very talented competitor,
Speaker 2: the great wrestler, both on the indies and so far.
Speaker 4: What we've seen you here in NXT, well, what.
Speaker 5: I tell you, Nate, if you look at Goodfella's comment
Speaker 5: relating to finding your character, you know, I think a
Speaker 5: lot of this does come back.
Speaker 3: And I know that this is this comment.
Speaker 5: I don't know that you and Kelly and others have
Speaker 5: focused on it so so much on this show, but
Speaker 5: especially on the main roster shows. And I think in
Speaker 5: general about w WE, A lot of that even comes
Speaker 5: from their music, like and how generic most of the
Speaker 5: n XT Newish folks's music is, where you know, thank
Speaker 5: goodness the jumbo tron has their name flash up on
Speaker 5: the screen or else. If we played the game of Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm going to play the first five notes, you tell
Speaker 5: me who it is, you're not going to know.
Speaker 3: And I think that's part of the issue too, is.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's up to the performer to craft out their identity,
Speaker 5: but I think more should be Kennon should be done
Speaker 5: on the part of the organization to help them with that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I think it starts with things like music and
Speaker 5: then of course the name. And unfortunately he did kind
Speaker 5: of get the short end of the stick in initializing
Speaker 5: his previous name and adding a ridiculous last name. But
Speaker 5: we also have bron Breaker, right, so I think there
Speaker 5: does need to be a bit more maybe on the
Speaker 5: let us help you help yourself.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I agree, And I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I think like e K Prosper actually chose the name,
Speaker 2: just like Cruz Montana chose the name. But as as
Speaker 2: Stevie Richards kind of always jokes around and he's talking
Speaker 2: about NXT guys on his show, they really need to
Speaker 2: stop letting the NXT guys choose their own name, guys
Speaker 2: and girls choose their own names, because man, sometimes well
Speaker 2: you wind up with ek Prosper.
Speaker 4: So there's that.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I don't think there's anything else that's gonna
Speaker 2: say there, So I think we can probably move on
Speaker 2: to the next match we had. Well, Kelly wrote swipe right,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if they're calling him swipe right anymore.
Speaker 2: So Vanity Project versus Miles Bourne and Tavion Heights. It
Speaker 2: was the swipe Right portion of the Vanity Project, Ricky
Speaker 2: Smokes and Brad Bayaylor. We have new tag team champions,
Speaker 2: Miles Bourne Tavion Heights. I did see the backstage segment
Speaker 2: with the two.
Speaker 4: Of them.
Speaker 2: Where Tavon, you know, they're kind of going back and forth,
Speaker 2: but you know, Miles being a double champion, Tavon's saying
Speaker 2: he's not sure what he's going to do if they
Speaker 2: lose the match tonight. For me, when I saw that,
Speaker 2: I thought that was telegraphing that they were going to
Speaker 2: lose the match, Tavion was going to turn on Miles
Speaker 2: and then challenge for the North American title, because that
Speaker 2: is what I've been thinking was going to be happening
Speaker 2: for a while. Is Tavian is going to somehow turn
Speaker 2: on and I still may at some point, but turn
Speaker 2: on Miles Burn and challenge for North American title. Didn't happen.
Speaker 2: They won the titles here tonight that they could still
Speaker 2: tell that story. We have seen champions win the belts
Speaker 2: before and then immediately get into a feud with one another.
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you the last time it happened, but.
Speaker 5: I know, I know if it was the last time
Speaker 5: it happened. But Bailey and Sasha went through that whole.
Speaker 5: Yeah they were tag champs, but one was an individual champion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so like I mean Zaria and soul
Speaker 2: Ruku to a point, although they weren't tag team champions,
Speaker 2: but but they kind of went through a very similar
Speaker 2: type of story.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they could still do that.
Speaker 2: But I also didn't think it was time for them
Speaker 2: to for Vanity Project to lose the belts, and that
Speaker 2: that actually kind of also may play into what I
Speaker 2: was just talking about. Maybe it really wasn't time for
Speaker 2: them to lose the belts. They just need to tell
Speaker 2: this story with Tavion Miles Born. Maybe we're gonna see
Speaker 2: Vanity Project in a rematch and win the belts back.
Speaker 2: Now we can say they're two time champions, and then
Speaker 2: you know, we'll see Tavion turn on Miles or vice versa.
Speaker 2: I think at Tavion on Miles but and then see
Speaker 2: them in a North American title feud leading in the
Speaker 2: heat Wave.
Speaker 4: That's my guess.
Speaker 2: But let me to you because the match itself I
Speaker 2: really did not get to see very much of it
Speaker 2: was on on my other monitor over here, but just
Speaker 2: in my peripheral vision. So let me throw to you
Speaker 2: on the match and your thoughts on where the new
Speaker 2: champions may lead and what do you think of my theory.
Speaker 5: Well, firstly, speaking of names, how has Ricky Smokes still
Speaker 5: been able to keep that name? That of all the
Speaker 5: names you know well, and that's also.
Speaker 2: The name that he used on the indies, So which
Speaker 2: really blows my mind because I figured, you know, did
Speaker 2: want to change that, or he'd want to change that,
Speaker 2: so you know, if and when he leaves, we you
Speaker 2: could keep it. But I'm very surprised Ricky Smokes is
Speaker 2: still Ricky Smokes.
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Speaker 5: Well and again, Ricky Saints wasn't around long enough for
Speaker 5: there to be a real issue. But even just in
Speaker 5: and of itself, Ricky Smokes is not exactly When I
Speaker 5: hear that name, I don't think about it as a
Speaker 5: WrestleMania main avenger, but I could be horribly wrong as
Speaker 5: far as the match goes. I there were four athletes
Speaker 5: in the ring, and I think that the energy was
Speaker 5: really good. Certainly there was a lot of great movement,
Speaker 5: a lot of great back and forth. Certainly Vanity Project
Speaker 5: know who they are, and they certainly work very well together.
Speaker 5: And and I'll apologize to the chat and to you
Speaker 5: Nate that I still get mixed up on what Bailey
Speaker 5: Humphrey's new name is.
Speaker 3: But I just love her, and I.
Speaker 5: Know huh my Luckwood okay, And I know that we'll
Speaker 5: get her segment when we get to the segment portion
Speaker 5: of the show.
Speaker 4: But you know, I feel free to throw it in
Speaker 4: if you'd like.
Speaker 3: Well, I think they'll they'll be time for it. But
Speaker 3: I just I think too. Oh.
Speaker 5: Also, quick, Nate, if you want a good fella just
Speaker 5: made a comment about Kendall's ear, So.
Speaker 2: Goodfellas has Kendall just dropped the short video for bloody ear.
Speaker 2: Looks like the inner part of her ears tore up.
Speaker 4: Okay, so maybe it's not.
Speaker 2: Maybe it isn't an ear drum or something.
Speaker 4: Maybe she just got the inside real.
Speaker 5: The one thing I do know with a wife who
Speaker 5: is a nurse is that head wounds always look worse
Speaker 5: than they are typically because of how many veins and
Speaker 5: capillaries and all that are running through your head. But yeah,
Speaker 5: she may have caught the corner of the stairs. She
Speaker 5: may have caught diamond plating to the side, and anything's possible.
Speaker 3: Sorry, So.
Speaker 5: I love Bailey's part of all this, Mike, excuse me,
Speaker 5: her part of all this, And I wonder if them
Speaker 5: losing the belts for now gives them a chance to
Speaker 5: develop that story a bit more. And I suppose we
Speaker 5: may as well as good Fellow just brought it up,
Speaker 5: but it sort of speaks to how that might go.
Speaker 5: Is that in that post match, as Vanity Project is
Speaker 5: yelling about everyone else's fault, Keanu walked past them on
Speaker 5: his way to the ring for his match, and there
Speaker 5: was a bit of an amorous stare between Micah and
Speaker 5: Keanu Carver with a bit of a lustful overtone. And
Speaker 5: so I'm sure next week we'll get a segment where
Speaker 5: they're going to look at her and go, what the
Speaker 5: hell is that?
Speaker 3: You know, what are you doing? YadA, YadA, YadA. So
Speaker 3: I think that they maybe want to this could be.
Speaker 5: A chance for them to help flesh her character out
Speaker 5: a little bit more, as she has done less wrestling
Speaker 5: and more valeting.
Speaker 3: To this point.
Speaker 5: And I think too, you know, we talk all the
Speaker 5: time that the performers are the ones who make the belt,
Speaker 5: and it shouldn't be the other way around. Vanity Project
Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily need the belts, you know. I think they're
Speaker 5: talented enough and they're young enough that WWE knows what
Speaker 5: they have in them, and as they continue to develop,
Speaker 5: they know that that that's going to continue to grow,
Speaker 5: And I think it's worth you know, this could be
Speaker 5: Tavion Heights's sink or swim, right. I think they know
Speaker 5: what they have in Miles Bourne, and they like him.
Speaker 5: He's the North American champ. But this could very much
Speaker 5: be ay, Okay, you're a champ. Now let's see if
Speaker 5: you are are rising to the level that we need
Speaker 5: you to on the mic and in the ring. And
Speaker 5: so maybe that maybe this is just a little test
Speaker 5: function for that. You know, I heard Vic at the
Speaker 5: beginning of the show say we've got four weeks until
Speaker 5: the next premium live event, and so maybe this is
Speaker 5: a four week tryout for him to say, you're going
Speaker 5: to have, you know, another another eight hours of television
Speaker 5: to show us why you continue to deserve to be
Speaker 5: this and we'll get the rematch set up and we'll
Speaker 5: see how it goes. But I think from what he was,
Speaker 5: he's Tavion's come a long long way from being a
Speaker 5: part of No Quarter Catch crew and I think that's
Speaker 5: a good sign.
Speaker 3: And of course they did.
Speaker 5: Put the belt on him, so that's an even better sign.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, I hope that they're able to take
Speaker 5: this ball and run with it because they seem to
Speaker 5: be a good team together, and I just hope that
Speaker 5: they're given some good defenses to really help show what
Speaker 5: they can do as a team.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to our Speed Women's Speed Championship match,
Speaker 2: which went to a draw in five minutes. Renson clear
Speaker 2: versus Zaria. I basically didn't see any of this, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 3: Come toasts five minutes in the history of wrestling, Nate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean from what I what I saw, you know,
Speaker 2: and I glanced over at my other monitor to kind
Speaker 2: of see what was going on. You know, we looked
Speaker 2: like a looked like a pretty good match Zaria. I know,
Speaker 2: you know, one with an F five or no one
Speaker 2: with an F five. Rather she she hit the F
Speaker 2: five right at the very end, wasn't able to get
Speaker 2: the pen, and then hit it again after the match
Speaker 2: to kind of make a statement.
Speaker 4: But yeah, let me let me throw to you on
Speaker 4: on on this uh on the match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I know that that.
Speaker 5: Over the course of the Speed title's history, there's been
Speaker 5: some positives and some negatives that have been expressed by
Speaker 5: you and me and others in the PW Torch family
Speaker 5: in general. I'm a fan of the concept, you know,
Speaker 5: and I know that. You know, the main critique is, well,
Speaker 5: if you can have a whole match in five minutes,
Speaker 5: why can't every match be done in five minutes? And
Speaker 5: I think, like anything else, this is a match type
Speaker 5: that has a stipulation that forces a certain style of
Speaker 5: wrestling and rewards either U and here all for those
Speaker 5: of us in the crowd who maybe play fantasy games
Speaker 5: like Nate and I do, if I can use some
Speaker 5: magic the gathering terminology, right, it either favors an outright
Speaker 5: agro strategy or it favors a control strategy, And so
Speaker 5: I think it's an interesting Oh look at you here ready,
Speaker 5: my minor just out of reach or else I would
Speaker 5: fan them for you as well.
Speaker 4: I'm going to have one single setting over there.
Speaker 5: But you know, I think that that Wren is doing
Speaker 5: really well with him, you know, certainly when you when
Speaker 5: you know the stipulation is if she survives the matches champion,
Speaker 5: she gets a chance at the North American title. I
Speaker 5: can't imagine there were too many people in the room
Speaker 5: that that thought that Zaria was going to win it,
Speaker 5: because I think that's a match they want to build
Speaker 5: towards for that pay per view in four weeks. I
Speaker 5: do think, if I were to be critiquey, I do
Speaker 5: think the ending was unnecessarily clunky, right because.
Speaker 3: Zaria throws her out and then.
Speaker 5: Is like, oh crap, I've got to throw you back in,
Speaker 5: And I just I think if you wanted the time
Speaker 5: limit draw, there were other ways to do that that
Speaker 5: maybe didn't feel as clunky. With whatever it was eighteen
Speaker 5: or twenty seconds left. By the time she got thrown out, like,
Speaker 5: it was very clear you were not getting a pin
Speaker 5: at that point. Oh and pile driver Pete says their
Speaker 5: rematches next week. I must have missed that, but I'm
Speaker 5: sure it'll be more of the same. I do like
Speaker 5: and I know that we, you and I and Kelly
Speaker 5: and you and me and Kelly and and the whole
Speaker 5: crew were initially very high on Zaria, and then she
Speaker 5: got put in the tag team and didn't really get
Speaker 5: a chance to stand out. But I'm really liking her
Speaker 5: at her current iteration. I'm liking that she can be
Speaker 5: sort of a big bad and really live into the
Speaker 5: power that.
Speaker 3: She can do.
Speaker 5: And so I'm just excited that she's getting the shake
Speaker 5: as the champ, and so I'll be interested to see
Speaker 5: kind of how that rain continues to flow too, because
Speaker 5: if if the North American Championship is the Intercontinental equivalent
Speaker 5: at NXT, then then you're signaling to us that she
Speaker 5: can go and she's ready to go, and so hopefully
Speaker 5: that continues to be the case. But yeah, I liked
Speaker 5: how it ended in terms of the draw leading to
Speaker 5: Ren getting her chance at the North American title. And
Speaker 5: we'll see how they built to.
Speaker 2: It, all right, I believe it's our opening match. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was Jada Parker and THEA Hale versus Carmen Patrovick
Speaker 2: and Nikita Lyons. I saw, I saw entrances on this one,
Speaker 2: but this is when I was starting to get the
Speaker 2: scoop on what was going on at work and really
Speaker 2: started diving into that nearly two hour zoom call I
Speaker 2: was stuck on. So I'll I'll have to defer to
Speaker 2: you here again, but I will say I really love
Speaker 2: the idea of Jada Parker and THEA Hale. These are
Speaker 2: two women that I think are being underutilized right now,
Speaker 2: and I love them together. So I just think it's
Speaker 2: really cool to see them, you know, kind of pair
Speaker 2: these guys together and you see what suit they can
Speaker 2: do so. Plus, I feel like their their personalities are
Speaker 2: similar enough but vastly different where it just I don't
Speaker 2: know makes I think it could make for some really
Speaker 2: good TV if they continue to go this direction.
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Speaker 4: So let me throw it to you for the match itself.
Speaker 5: Oh, I didn't see it either, Just kidding, just kidding.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, that's a show. See you next time. No,
Speaker 5: I agree with you on the tag team, and I'm
Speaker 5: thinking as you were sort of working your way through
Speaker 5: that that. I think they represent the same emotion with
Speaker 5: a different type of stink right or as the kids say, stink.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: Certainly Jada Parker is more of the sort of that
Speaker 5: she has the cool factor, right like, she very much
Speaker 5: people respond well to her. She gives off a very
Speaker 5: cool vibe. And on the other side of that spectrum,
Speaker 5: Thea Hale has come to that emotion through a lot
Speaker 5: of trial and error, through a lot of you know,
Speaker 5: misplaced trust perhaps, and her backstory is part of Chase
Speaker 5: You and other things, and so they're sort of representing
Speaker 5: that same idea with just different backstories and different presentations.
Speaker 5: And I agree, I think they're sort of an oddball
Speaker 5: tag team in terms of kind of the eye test.
Speaker 5: But I thought they worked well together. And I think
Speaker 5: if you don't have anything for them as singles at
Speaker 5: the current moment, then put them together, because there are
Speaker 5: a good handful of women's tag teams that need work,
Speaker 5: and so fine, let's get them on TV and let's
Speaker 5: get them working.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that.
Speaker 5: Kelly delighted in every key stroke he had to make
Speaker 5: about out his best and favorite wrestler the the the
Speaker 5: Lioness herself. Yeah, hopefully he'll chime in on the chat here.
Speaker 5: We'll see if he's listening along. But you know, again,
Speaker 5: I like that Natty is sort of serving this role
Speaker 5: as a mentor. I know it's for a heel team,
Speaker 5: but it adds credibility to two women who started with
Speaker 5: a lot of fanfare and very quickly showed, you know,
Speaker 5: and then the bell rang sort of energy, and so
Speaker 5: I think that it does give them a little bit
Speaker 5: of credibility. I think it's very evident that they both
Speaker 5: have gotten better as wrestlers. You know, I'm sure that
Speaker 5: in addition to the performance center training, you know, as
Speaker 5: often as Cody and other people post pictures of the Dungeon,
Speaker 5: you know, training camps, I'm sure both of those women
Speaker 5: are in those dungeon training camps. And and you know,
Speaker 5: again Will Will, I think this is a point to
Speaker 5: bring up again and and and largely it's shake fist
Speaker 5: at COVID, but you know, the Coconut loop and when
Speaker 5: NXT was traveling with some regularity, you know, the death
Speaker 5: of the House show is really really showing itself both
Speaker 5: in the NXT level, at the main roster level, and
Speaker 5: I just think it's it's these women who are suffering,
Speaker 5: because otherwise they would be getting matches two or three
Speaker 5: days a week, right with two house shows and then
Speaker 5: the NXT show. And I know that NXT still tours
Speaker 5: a coconut loop light because my friends in Florida typically
Speaker 5: will go to them and post pictures. But it is
Speaker 5: not anywhere near as aggressive as it was pre COVID.
Speaker 5: And I know that NXT has not other than some
Speaker 5: of their plees. You know, they used to come to
Speaker 5: the Upper Midwest where I'm at maybe two or three
Speaker 5: times a year, and I don't think they've been back
Speaker 5: since I saw them in Des Moines maybe three years ago.
Speaker 5: And so again I think just that is hurting. And
Speaker 5: you know, if I could just put my marketing professional
Speaker 5: hat on just for a second, you know, I think
Speaker 5: it really speaks, It really speaks to that idea to
Speaker 5: me that when when Vince was running the show, he
Speaker 5: understood that how shows were a way of building your
Speaker 5: audience because more people could see the performers at a
Speaker 5: price point that is more advantageous to them. And the
Speaker 5: shame now with TKO is they're not looking at it
Speaker 5: from a marketing growth perspective. They're looking at it from
Speaker 5: a marketing cost perspective, and that's trucks and hotels and
Speaker 5: logistics that have to be paid to do these things.
Speaker 5: And so it's all been scaled back because of the
Speaker 5: fact that instead of making forty billion dollars this year,
Speaker 5: we're gonna we would make thirty nine point eight billion.
Speaker 3: Dollars with house shows.
Speaker 5: And I'm exaggerating slightly, but you understand where I'm going
Speaker 5: with this. So I do think that that's the crime
Speaker 5: in all of this is less reps off camera means
Speaker 5: more more of this. But again, I thought the match
Speaker 5: went great.
Speaker 3: I love that the.
Speaker 5: Faces were able to overcome several instances of interference by Natty.
Speaker 5: And I love that she's, like I said, she's there,
Speaker 5: you know, lending herself to this because you know, she
Speaker 5: can very easily pull the do you know who I Am?
Speaker 3: Card?
Speaker 5: It wouldn't get her very far, but she could pull it,
Speaker 5: and she's not. She's choosing to invest in the future,
Speaker 5: and I think that says a lot about her.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to our non match segments here.
Speaker 2: So we had Tony di'angelo, Grays and Waller curuz My Montanna.
Speaker 2: I'm just reading bullet points here because I again barely
Speaker 2: saw the show tonight, but so I guess. Tony DiAngelo
Speaker 2: confronted Grace and Waller over last week's attack on a
Speaker 2: verbal attack on the on the NXT roster, Waller positioned
Speaker 2: himself is the money fight and claimed DiAngelo's championship should
Speaker 2: be his route back to prominence. D'Angelo walk mocked Waller
Speaker 2: for being the only member of the twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: War Games team who never became champion. Montana accused Waller
Speaker 2: fighting solely for attention while Montana fights for the people
Speaker 2: who depend on him. Dangelo pros proposed Waller versus Montana
Speaker 2: in a Number one Contenders match, which was officially announced
Speaker 2: for next week, with the winner challenging D'Angelo at heat Wave.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you, how did this whole segment
Speaker 2: actually come across? Did Waller continue to be as far
Speaker 2: as I'm concerned fight on the MIC? I thought that
Speaker 2: promo last week was absolutely fantastic. I've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of criticism for it on the internet over the last
Speaker 2: week or so, you know, and I think it's a
Speaker 2: mix of people not quite understanding the promo. You know,
Speaker 2: and I guess taking it either taking it at face
Speaker 2: value or not quite understanding what they're doing with it,
Speaker 2: or they just kind of see Grayson Waller as way
Speaker 2: low on the card. But I thought this was a
Speaker 2: great way for him to reinvent himself and inject life
Speaker 2: into a somewhat lackluster men's roster, which is something we've
Speaker 2: talked about on the show before, you know, in recent
Speaker 2: weeks months. So I think I think overall, I really
Speaker 2: like Grayson Waller. What he did last week? Did he
Speaker 2: continue to do that tonight? And what I'll what else
Speaker 2: do you think of a segment?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought tonight. So Grayson is a fantastic talker.
Speaker 5: I think that is one of his gifts, is his
Speaker 5: ability to not only work a crowd, but work his
Speaker 5: character verbally. I think tonight, I don't think we I
Speaker 5: don't want to say it wasn't as strong it There
Speaker 5: were several times if you looked on his face, the
Speaker 5: stuff that Tony DiAngelo was saying really cut him. Now,
Speaker 5: I do believe it's all in character, Like I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think that there was not any personal attack there.
Speaker 5: But for as much bravado as he showed last week
Speaker 5: in that promo that made all the headlines as Tony
Speaker 5: d started doing the all right, fine, but what have
Speaker 5: you really done? Like you could definitely see it.
Speaker 3: Hit hit.
Speaker 5: Hit him in a way that you know, prior to
Speaker 5: now maybe you saw. And of course, love, love, love
Speaker 5: the character that is Cruise Montana. I'm very thankful that
Speaker 5: he chose something like Cruse and not the obvious Tony
Speaker 5: if I can give a nod to Scarface there. But
Speaker 5: you know, I think his character for a while has
Speaker 5: been the I'm not just wrestling for me. I'm wrestling
Speaker 5: for my family, I'm wrestling for the mouths that I'm feeding.
Speaker 5: I'm doing it for something bigger than myself, and I
Speaker 5: think that really resonates with fans right where many of
Speaker 5: us are working jobs and doing things for the benefit
Speaker 5: of those we care about and they count on us,
Speaker 5: and so I think that that makes him instantly relatable.
Speaker 5: And I think from a personality standpoint, so like you
Speaker 5: mentioned the lackluster roster, and I agree with you because
Speaker 5: when I think of right as you said that, my
Speaker 5: brain immediately flashedback.
Speaker 3: To the lineage that is the NXT title.
Speaker 5: And when you think about the people who have held
Speaker 5: this title, and then you get to twenty twenty six.
Speaker 5: Tony D'Angelo. To me, now he is a very competent performer.
Speaker 5: But to me, that's not a name that's carrying a
Speaker 5: roster now. Is there another name currently that can or
Speaker 5: should be? I also don't know. I think you're your
Speaker 5: point is well met that it is a very Those
Speaker 5: last round of call ups really hurt.
Speaker 3: The talent ballance and the men's side of things.
Speaker 5: But I do think that Cruz is someone who has
Speaker 5: a bit more name recognition across wrestling in general. I
Speaker 5: think people have followed his work in TNA for the
Speaker 5: spell that he was there. I know he popped up
Speaker 5: in Japan a couple of times when he was with Ortiz,
Speaker 5: and so maybe it is the right call to have
Speaker 5: him win and sort of carry this division for a bit.
Speaker 5: But I do agree where did it go? Oh, provided
Speaker 5: that Goodfellow was talking about Tony D and getting lost.
Speaker 5: I think if if in the next four to six
Speaker 5: weeks this is Tony D's call up, I agree. I
Speaker 5: don't think that he is enough to stand out against
Speaker 5: the very clear characters of the main roster, But perhaps
Speaker 5: I'm mistaken and there's something that we're not seeing that
Speaker 5: just needs a little tweaking when he gets there. So,
Speaker 5: you know, I like the segment. I like the three
Speaker 5: the very different approaches by all three of those men.
Speaker 5: Quite honestly, I think we're heading for everybody's favorite match,
Speaker 5: the Triple Threat, because with the weeks to build until
Speaker 5: heat Wave, I would imagine that next week is going
Speaker 5: to be some sort of no finish, So then they'll
Speaker 5: do it again the next week and then try to
Speaker 5: get more time out of this build excuse me, building
Speaker 5: the heat Wave and then of course, and then and
Speaker 5: Goodfellow just used the name again too. Why do we
Speaker 5: have a very recent IWGP champion not sniffing that title
Speaker 5: scene like insistently, like he's got it and he needs
Speaker 5: to be there too. So I think that's also perhaps
Speaker 5: an oversight by the group, But I'm not the one
Speaker 5: paying the bills or making the decision.
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Speaker 3: What do you thinking all of that? Oh? I think
Speaker 3: you're on mute Nate yep, I was.
Speaker 2: The train went by, so I muted myself and forgot time.
Speaker 4: You and myself.
Speaker 2: No, so Naraku, you know he's he's had the couple,
Speaker 2: you know, the couple runs chances at the title, and
Speaker 2: we haven't actually seen him since, so maybe he'll come back.
Speaker 2: And try to challenge for the title or whatnot. But
Speaker 2: that was one of my criticism criticisms about him challenging
Speaker 2: and losing for the title twice, is what does he
Speaker 2: do next? You know, we figure he's probably gonna be
Speaker 2: an NXT short term. You know, you know, he was
Speaker 2: the one who actually requested to go to NXT rather
Speaker 2: than the main roster, So I'm assuming the company wants
Speaker 2: him on the main roster. He just wanted to take
Speaker 2: his time in NXT and make sure he learned the
Speaker 2: right things and the right way to do things.
Speaker 4: In w w E.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I I I would assume you'd want to
Speaker 2: put him in the main title picture, like you said,
Speaker 2: former ii WGB champion. You know, a lot going on
Speaker 2: over in New Japan, and so why not utilize that
Speaker 2: and rather than let him sit at home or in catering.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming I don't know, but wherever he is with.
Speaker 2: But you know, I can't find any flault with what
Speaker 2: you said either, you know, regarding the other three. I mean,
Speaker 2: so Tony D'Angelo, you know, we never thought he'd be
Speaker 2: NXT champion because of his prior gimmick, you know, the
Speaker 2: mafioso gimmick. I was a lot higher on that gimmick
Speaker 2: than I think a lot of a lot of us
Speaker 2: that hosts the show. But I just like the mafioso
Speaker 2: type gimmick, so it appealed to me. But I even
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was going to be a w
Speaker 2: W or an NXT championship gimmick. This version of Tony
Speaker 2: D'Angelo w W NXT champion. Absolutely he is now and
Speaker 2: I think he's doing a fair job. He's not, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna go down history. He's the
Speaker 2: best NXT champion. I don't think he's gonna and History
Speaker 2: is the worst NXT champion, solidly in the middle there.
Speaker 2: But what happens when he inevitably goes up to the
Speaker 2: main roster, I don't know. I I think if he
Speaker 2: goes back to the fire that he had when he
Speaker 2: re debuted this version of Tony D'Angelo, but when he,
Speaker 2: you know, basically came back and said he wanted the title,
Speaker 2: there were two things he wanted to do, take care
Speaker 2: of Dark State and get the title. If we saw
Speaker 2: that version, that hungry version of Tony D'Angelo and the
Speaker 2: main roster, maybe I still do. I'm still not positive
Speaker 2: it would go over well. I think it would need
Speaker 2: to be booked right against the right opponent and whatnot,
Speaker 2: but that could work. I am worried about him when
Speaker 2: he gets up on the main roster with this particular character,
Speaker 2: I think he might he may just easily fade into
Speaker 2: the background, similar to Carrion Cross, Killer Cross, you know,
Speaker 2: something like that, assuming that they don't put him in like,
Speaker 2: you know, a skirt and mask when he debuts. But
Speaker 2: there's that on the main roster. Grayson Waller, Yeah, like
Speaker 2: I already said, I think he's a great addition to
Speaker 2: the NXT roster. I talked a lot about it last week.
Speaker 2: But you know, he hasn't been doing much on the
Speaker 2: main roster, so why not let him debut kind of
Speaker 2: like get this side of himself out there, build that
Speaker 2: character up so when he does go back to the
Speaker 2: main roster or a w TNA wherever he winds up next,
Speaker 2: he'll be able to use that and kind of hopefully
Speaker 2: become more of a main event player.
Speaker 4: But if he.
Speaker 2: Continues to do what he's what he did last week
Speaker 2: and presumably what he did tonight, I think we might
Speaker 2: have something with Grayson Waller. I, I was so impressed
Speaker 2: with that promo last week, you know, so yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: really happy.
Speaker 4: To see him doing that.
Speaker 2: So goodfella, says when ranking the all time NXT champions,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if Tony was on the bottom
Speaker 2: of my list, even Bodallas cooked for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, totally fair, totally fair, you know, really if again,
Speaker 2: you know, I'd have to actually look at the list
Speaker 2: of champions.
Speaker 4: I used to be able to name them off all
Speaker 4: the top.
Speaker 5: Of champions held the belt for fifteen months. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: you didn't have every every six to eight months a
Speaker 5: flip of some kind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, let's uh, let's keep moving. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna throw a couple of the match here,
Speaker 2: so we're not just because we got a few segments
Speaker 2: that we were not going one by one, so h
Speaker 2: we see the cracks continue with OTM Bronco, Neema and
Speaker 2: Lucian Price attempted to discuss Nima's work with Paris to
Speaker 2: mal In Triple A. Uh I described the group as
Speaker 2: name was backup plan and suggest that he might need
Speaker 2: plans of his own. Birthright interrupted, leading Price to accept
Speaker 2: the singles match against Lexis King. The story strongly teased
Speaker 2: problems between them and Price, so you know, and and
Speaker 2: if memory service, I kind of did see part of this.
Speaker 2: I think Price called Price, called this his backup plan,
Speaker 2: Lexus his backup plan, So you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't really like the idea of splitting
Speaker 2: OTM up. I'm hoping if they kind of do something
Speaker 2: different with them. You know, maybe they do kind of
Speaker 2: have their little singles runs, doing their own separate thing,
Speaker 2: but they're still affiliated with one another, and they don't
Speaker 2: break up the group because I think they work.
Speaker 4: Really well together.
Speaker 2: So OTM and then we'll throw to Mason Rook in
Speaker 2: Cam Hendricks brawling backstage, I guess Mason Rook confronted Grayson
Speaker 2: Waller on his criticism of the NXT roster, and as
Speaker 2: right as Grace and Waller was about to give his response,
Speaker 2: Cam Hendricks attacked Rook from behind and the two had
Speaker 2: to be separated. So let me let me throw to
Speaker 2: you for those two.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I so on the on the topic of OTM, I
Speaker 5: I don't think that either one is distinct enough that
Speaker 5: a split would do any good for anybody, And and
Speaker 5: of course, uh, you know, there's something to be said
Speaker 5: for trying to let them swim on their own a
Speaker 5: little bit. But I think that their strength as it
Speaker 5: stands now is in the in the team and not
Speaker 5: in being single stars, because I don't think either of
Speaker 5: them then to me, they both fall into the same
Speaker 5: mold as a jasper try And now you've got three
Speaker 5: of those guys, and I think as a tag team
Speaker 5: they have a chance to really stand out as one
Speaker 5: of those just big bruiser tag teams that that the
Speaker 5: roster's kind of lacking right now, And so I don't
Speaker 5: think that a split up should happen. But also if
Speaker 5: we remember back to our dear friends Fhraxium, who for
Speaker 5: the better part of about eight months teased dissension and
Speaker 5: breakup and cracks, and here we are two years later
Speaker 5: and they're still together, rocket and rolling. So you know,
Speaker 5: we'll see how it plays out, but I don't think
Speaker 5: splitting them up would be a good idea. And then
Speaker 5: the Mason Rook, Cam Hendricks, Grayson Waller, Shenanigans. I think
Speaker 5: the thing that stuck out to me most about that
Speaker 5: was that there was there was a hesitation and I'll
Speaker 5: see if Pete and or a goodfellow were paying attention.
Speaker 5: When Cam Hendricks first hits Rook in the back of
Speaker 5: the head, there is this weird hesitation where Waller almost
Speaker 5: was going to like jump in and kind of comes
Speaker 5: back and Cam. I think Cam Hendricks flashed the camera
Speaker 5: like I think he looked right in the camera's face
Speaker 5: as like a oh did I come into early? Did
Speaker 5: I come into eight? And then goes and hits him
Speaker 5: again off camera, and I was like, oh, buddy, that's
Speaker 5: probably not the best way to get people behind the
Speaker 5: camera to be happy with what's going on. But I
Speaker 5: think he did look like right at the camera as
Speaker 5: one of those like deer in the headlights, sort of
Speaker 5: like you're a lot closer than I thought you would be,
Speaker 5: and here I am trying to beat this guy up
Speaker 5: sort of deal. But yeah, Rook is another one that
Speaker 5: similar to Naraku that you brought him in with a
Speaker 5: lot of pomp and he's not been pumping. And that's
Speaker 5: not his fault, right, There's just a lot of people
Speaker 5: that need to be on TV, and there's a lot
Speaker 5: of people they need to give time to, and so
Speaker 5: I think he's another one that's suffering. And you know,
Speaker 5: I suppose any TV time is better than no TV time,
Speaker 5: But you know, I want him in the in the
Speaker 5: in the ring, wrestling and getting the people behind him,
Speaker 5: not tussling with you know, a person he's going to
Speaker 5: be wrestling anyway, you know, in the break room of
Speaker 5: of of the performance center.
Speaker 3: So I don't know that.
Speaker 5: They're doing right by either of them that well anyway,
Speaker 5: but you know time will tell hopefully.
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Speaker 2: The calling is Lizzie Rain and Seawan Spears backstage. The
Speaker 2: calling continued antagonizing Lizzy Rain despite Lisey defeating Izy Dame
Speaker 2: last week. Seawn Spears came to Rayne's defense and said
Speaker 2: that he has a match. He talked to mister Stone,
Speaker 2: who got a match made between he and Rain versus
Speaker 2: the culling Rain said she didn't trust him and fears
Speaker 2: and basically said that if he doesn't keep his nose clean,
Speaker 2: match could become three on one pretty quick. So there's that,
Speaker 2: and then I'll also throw Dark the Dark State segment atcha.
Speaker 2: Dion Lennox was criticized by the other two members of
Speaker 2: Dark State for becoming complacent. Lennox was particularly or sorry
Speaker 2: uh not becoming he said that Dean Lennox said that
Speaker 2: they were becoming complacent. Rather, Lennox was particularly angry about
Speaker 2: Grayson Waller calling the group soft, and he announced that
Speaker 2: Dark State would deal with Saquan Sugar Sugars next week.
Speaker 2: So the Dark State segment and the Culling and Lizzie Rain.
Speaker 5: Yeah, firstly, I need to know if I can get
Speaker 5: the shirt that that Grayson Waller was wearing. I got
Speaker 5: such a kick out of that shirt or quartersip whatever
Speaker 5: it was that I want to buy one of those immediately.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Again, both of these segments were just kind of okay,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like the Culling has become
Speaker 5: such a shell of what it was, and even when
Speaker 5: it was in its heyday, was it really a power mover?
Speaker 5: Probably not, you know. To me, this is really just
Speaker 5: sort of keeping the Lizzy Rain Izzy Dame thing moving
Speaker 5: forward and it's more of a backdrop for that. And
Speaker 5: then Dark State, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 5: feel like, you know, they're they're trying and then they're
Speaker 5: they're trying to push them in a couple of directions
Speaker 5: to keep their storyline fresh, but I don't in my
Speaker 5: humble opinion, And again it's not my money and it's
Speaker 5: not my decisions, but I think it's probably time to
Speaker 5: cut bait and see if we can't do something with
Speaker 5: these three guys that'll give them more of a chance
Speaker 5: to shine, because, similar to Retribution, their faction isn't okay
Speaker 5: us bringing. They're not feared. They're just three guys in
Speaker 5: black clothing who huff and gruff a lot about being
Speaker 5: the chaos.
Speaker 3: Without actually being the chaos.
Speaker 5: So the segments were fine, they got the people on television,
Speaker 5: but again, I want to see Lizzie Rain in the ring.
Speaker 5: I love her finish, I want to see more of that.
Speaker 5: I don't want her in the back chit chatting with
Speaker 5: the the the shell of the culling and goodfella, how
Speaker 5: dare you leave bj sexy Ray.
Speaker 3: In catering where he belongs?
Speaker 2: I mean, So that's one of my biggest complaints with
Speaker 2: with Dark State is you know, they when they debuted,
Speaker 2: it felt like they were this faction that was going
Speaker 2: to upset the very core of NXT, and that was
Speaker 2: the way they were presented, and they've never done that.
Speaker 2: They did maybe a little bit in TNA, especially going
Speaker 2: into Bound for Glory last year, but that was about it.
Speaker 2: They've had their moments, but for the most part, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it just might. It's either time to pull
Speaker 2: the trigger on Dark State finally and make them do
Speaker 2: something that does shake up the core of NXT, or.
Speaker 4: Let them do something else. I don't think dark State's working.
Speaker 2: I don't think it has worked from the get go,
Speaker 2: And to be honest, I can't believe it's a year
Speaker 2: and a half on maybe two years now talking about
Speaker 2: dark State. I didn't think the faction would last as
Speaker 2: nearly as long as it did or as it has.
Speaker 2: All right, then we have two more segments. One was
Speaker 2: that hilarious Shiloh Hill injury updates segment I did. I
Speaker 2: did catch all of that, basically a little pre tape
Speaker 2: segment where he said that he part of his skull
Speaker 2: is fractured. He mentioned the name of the bone, couldn't
Speaker 2: tell you what it was. His face is broken, guys,
Speaker 2: his face is broken. He's going to be out of
Speaker 2: action for a little bit. But he said he it's
Speaker 2: given him plenty of time to research things online and
Speaker 2: started just kind of spouting out random facts on you know,
Speaker 2: people on the roster. Even brought up the fact that
Speaker 2: Pat Patterson won the intercontinental title in a tournament in
Speaker 2: Rio de Janeiro, yet nobody has any record or proof
Speaker 2: or photos or anything about it. And I just thought,
Speaker 2: you know, great, if you know you know, I'm sure
Speaker 2: everybody listening to this probably does.
Speaker 4: So I thought that was great.
Speaker 2: Shiloh continues to just be an unnational treasure and I
Speaker 2: can't wait for him.
Speaker 4: To heal up and it back.
Speaker 2: So we had that, and then Robert Stone was shown
Speaker 2: speaking by the phone about the availability of an unnamed
Speaker 2: free agent, but we don't know who it is.
Speaker 4: So on Shiloh and who.
Speaker 3: You think it is? Remember with Robert Stone, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know at this point.
Speaker 5: If they're willing to bring Grace and Waller back, it
Speaker 5: could be a main roster person that is not getting
Speaker 5: a lot of work. You know, unrelated to tonight's episode,
Speaker 5: but related to NXT and WW in general. Do we
Speaker 5: need to create a milk carton for Jordan Grace? I
Speaker 5: continue to lament, how awful. Not since Shanna Basler have
Speaker 5: they bungled something that was so just ready made and
Speaker 5: had had had all the pieces ready to go.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I.
Speaker 5: You know the thing I think that stuck out to
Speaker 5: me about the Shiloh thing, And I think he's one
Speaker 5: of those characters, like you know, watching him on LFG,
Speaker 5: you know, for as much of the real person you
Speaker 5: think you get to know about him, I think he's
Speaker 5: probably like this character you're seeing is him.
Speaker 3: Just a bit right?
Speaker 5: I bet if you took him to, you know, a
Speaker 5: bar and had wings, he'd probably be spouting off facts
Speaker 5: and that sort of thing. But I think the thing
Speaker 5: that stuck out to me for someone who in all
Speaker 5: the weeks leading up to this has continued to profess
Speaker 5: how intelligent he is and how well read he is,
Speaker 5: for him to have never heard about the maxilla bone
Speaker 5: in the face, Like that is a bone in the face,
Speaker 5: and anyone who has taken sort of anatomy one oh
Speaker 5: one learns about the bones in the skull, like I
Speaker 5: just the way he was like, oh, some very unknown
Speaker 5: bone called the maxilla, and I'm like what.
Speaker 3: And then on the list.
Speaker 2: I never did take anatomy one on one, So I
Speaker 2: don't feel bad not knowing about that bone.
Speaker 5: Good, But this gentleman purports to be this learned, well
Speaker 5: read person, and to learn that one of the primary
Speaker 5: bones in the face got fractured, and he's like very
Speaker 5: rare and I hadn't heard about this book that really
Speaker 5: stuck out to me.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I like that.
Speaker 5: If this injury, of course is legit and he's going
Speaker 5: to be out a little bit, he's someone that needs
Speaker 5: to be on camera. They've got to find a way
Speaker 5: to continue to let his character be a part of it.
Speaker 5: And if it's going to be these sort of random
Speaker 5: fact of the day, was Shiloh good because, like I said,
Speaker 5: I think people really buy into him, that that is him,
Speaker 5: and I think he delivers on it very well.
Speaker 3: So whether it's a earthquaky.
Speaker 5: FaceTime video to the tune of what my six year
Speaker 5: old does when she talks to her grandmother as she's
Speaker 5: walking around the house, or in front of an actual
Speaker 5: camera for pre tape, all the same. I like him
Speaker 5: on camera and I think he's a character that they need,
Speaker 5: despite whether he's able to perform or not.
Speaker 2: So we just got my mom and iPhone. She's been
Speaker 2: an Android user forever, so now she's able to FaceTime
Speaker 2: and when she does, I get to stare up her nose.
Speaker 4: Yeh, she doesn't know to hold it up, like yeah.
Speaker 5: So my mom is a recent iPhone convert from the
Speaker 5: flip phone and still has trouble like flipping the camera
Speaker 5: and it's like I'm looking at her couch or it's
Speaker 5: just a gray screen and I'm like, Mama, you gotta
Speaker 5: hit I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I feel your pain.
Speaker 4: Yep yeph man.
Speaker 2: All right, well with that, that is going to bring
Speaker 2: us to our episode of PWT Talks NXT here tonight.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I couldn't get more up. There's the train.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can hear the train. Can
Speaker 2: you hear the train?
Speaker 3: I cannot hear the trend, but conditioning going behind me?
Speaker 4: All right? Good?
Speaker 2: So the noise canceling good enough? Where I mean that
Speaker 2: thing's blaring. I got the window open. I'm surprised you
Speaker 2: can't hear it. But yeah, sorry, I couldn't give a
Speaker 2: little bit more tonight. But uh, work kind of took
Speaker 2: my life away from me tonight. So there is that
Speaker 2: being on call every seven weeks sucks. And it's funny.
Speaker 2: I'm only on call once every seven weeks for a
Speaker 2: week and the only times I ever get called are
Speaker 2: Tuesday nights, and it's usually right beforecause this is maybe
Speaker 2: the third or fourth time where this has happened to
Speaker 2: me now over the last few years. But anyway, I'm
Speaker 2: Nate Lindberg. You can check the things I do at
Speaker 2: Nate Lindbergh dot com. As far as I'm aware, Kelly
Speaker 2: does not have a freaking excuse to not be here
Speaker 2: next week, so hopefully we'll get the band back together
Speaker 2: once again, Kevin. Even though Kelly wasn't here, there's nobody
Speaker 2: else I'd rather end about an hour or so talking
Speaker 2: wrestling with.
Speaker 4: So thank you very much for joining me.
Speaker 5: Man As always, it's always an honor to be asked.
Speaker 5: It's great to talk wrestling with you. I'm sorry that
Speaker 5: you had a work emergency, but I think we we did.
Speaker 5: We did great by the show and by the by
Speaker 5: the the product in general, so fear not. And yeah, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: I think I've I've told a lot of you by
Speaker 5: now that my Twitter account was hacked some days ago,
Speaker 5: and Twitter doesn't seem to be in a rush to
Speaker 5: help me figure that out. So if that's your primary
Speaker 5: means of communication, I'm not there right now, but certainly
Speaker 5: if you want, reach out through the chat and we
Speaker 5: can figure out a way to get a hold of me.
Speaker 5: So thank you as always for asking me. I look
Speaker 5: forward to the next time and until then, office hours
Speaker 5: are now over.
Speaker 2: I just got a discord message from job and I
Speaker 2: guess a little upset that that they're not my favorite
Speaker 2: person in the time. Yeah, yeah, so sorry Jovin second favorite.
Speaker 4: I don't know you guys are both.
Speaker 3: I'm not here to disrupt the harmony. I'm not breaking
Speaker 3: up a happy.
Speaker 4: Home here, all right, guys with that horseshoe.
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