WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:15.800 Welcome to the Typical Skeptic Bad Yes, where we dived. 2 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:20.120 You decide your questioning the matrix from you Wear Foes, 3 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:24.120 wear the Shadows and obside oversize over Rob Khalil Bust 4 00:00:24.199 --> 00:00:28.879 some myths like ghosts in the night caprinormal pros, secret space. 5 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:29.920 Out see we keep it real. 6 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:39.679 No fright, no fright, no Sis. 7 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:39.479 Ain't black gods and this guys from the bills the ancient. 8 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:44.320 Script esp Stown is the mouse came hold. 9 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:45.679 Up Sea more stable. 10 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:48.719 We just man look fable, my love, targeting, soul breaking 11 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:51.320 out of the stable garment hellmpic from colleague Crypt. 12 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.039 It's in the midst in reality. 13 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:57.439 You can't resistance to wear soul, trap, snapping, reading, condition mapping, 14 00:00:57.479 --> 00:00:59.880 holler at the dreams and their divisions, out of body. 15 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:02.920 It's just waking up the teams. No sense, you're the 16 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:04.760 release scheme to spear see. 17 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:10.200 Kings, ringing vails here to freedom, ring it just sleeping extra. 18 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:14.319 For Welcome to Typical Skeptic Podcast. Be sure to like, 19 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:17.760 subscribe and turn on notifications. 20 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:23.879 Hey guys, welcome back to another show. I'm really excited 21 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.439 about my guests today. I really look up to him 22 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:29.640 for what he's done. In podcasting, I always say this, 23 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:31.560 and you know, he's probably tired of hearing it. But 24 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:33.959 I know, like before I even had a podcast, in 25 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:37.200 like twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen, I was watching Forbidden 26 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:39.079 Knowledge News. I was also watching a lot of Leak 27 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:42.879 Project with Rex Bear, and they kind of heavily influenced 28 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:45.280 my show. And then, you know, everybody does their own 29 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:47.319 thing and you get your own style and stuff like that. 30 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.000 And now I've noticed people have done that with my show, 31 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:53.439 so it's interesting, like, you know, but no I have 32 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:56.239 with me. Chris Matthew, he's the He's the He's the 33 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:59.719 founder of Forbidden Knowledge News and the Forbidden Knowledge News Network, 34 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:03.439 And I wrote what connections may exist between childhood Gate programs, 35 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:09.000 Intelligence Experimentation, MK ULTRA and ritualized Trauma. Today, I welcome 36 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:11.479 Chris Matthew, founder and host of for Bid Knowledge News 37 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:14.479 and for Bid Knowledge Network, for a deep, uncensored conversation 38 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:17.759 about controversial programs and the hidden systems that operate behind them. 39 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:21.240 Chris has built an independent media network dedicated to investigating 40 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:27.120 suppressed history, unexplained phenomena, covert operations, consciousness, technology, and subjects 41 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.439 frequently ignored by the mainstream media. In this episode, we'll 42 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:34.840 examine reports of surrounding gifted and talented education programs, trauma 43 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:39.000 based conditioning MK ULTRA, SRA testimony, and the possibility that 44 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:42.680 vulnerable individuals may have been monitored for or selected from 45 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:45.159 an early age. And yeah, I'm going to add them 46 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:47.680 to the stage now and I'm really excited about this. 47 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:50.919 And yeah, yeah, Chris, thanks so much for coming back on. Man, 48 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:52.400 how are you hey. 49 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.080 I'm great, man, Thank you so much for having me 50 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:58.680 back on. I apologize to everyone for the sheety camera 51 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:02.400 and shitty camera. I'm unable to use my normal one 52 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:05.840 for some reason here, but good to be here, man, 53 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:07.159 Thanks for having me back. 54 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:12.960 Yeah, like, what's new, What's new over it? FKN and everything. 55 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:18.159 Well, we are still pumping out six episodes a week. 56 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:24.719 I am currently producing and editing my third film. I'm 57 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:27.639 very excited about this one. It's going to be a 58 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:33.000 sci fi comedy mockumentary, something very different than I've done 59 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:36.000 in the previous two films, and we're having a great 60 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:40.919 time with it. We'll have some content creators and researchers 61 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:45.719 that I'm sure you all recognize. And yeah, it's a 62 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:50.319 great change of pace for the more serious documentaries that 63 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:52.879 I've made, and we're hoping to have a release on 64 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:57.560 that around October on all these streaming platforms. But I'll 65 00:03:57.639 --> 00:03:58.240 keep you posting. 66 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:01.879 That's awesome, man. Yeah, well today we're going to get 67 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:05.759 into the Gifted and Talented and the SRA and mind 68 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:09.319 control and MK ultra and stuff. Did you notice that 69 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:11.960 they had the mk Ultra hearings and like, what were 70 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:14.240 your thoughts on that? Do you think we're making progress? 71 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.079 We're making progress as it relates to the normies and 72 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:20.639 to the people who are not aware of this stuff. 73 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:24.279 I think it's a great thing to bring awareness to everybody. 74 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:30.120 Although we've been so desensitized as a society, especially with 75 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:36.519 recent conspiracy dumps, the Epstein files, UFO files. People are 76 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:41.439 on information overload and they're just becoming desynthesized by everything, 77 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:45.000 so they'll hear the most horrific stuff and nowadays they'd 78 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:46.600 be like, Yeah, that's just the way the world is. 79 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:48.360 What are you going to do and just keep on 80 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.639 going with their lives. It's a really sad state. But 81 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:54.720 as far as that goes, I think they are only 82 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:58.120 bringing They're not bringing anything new. All the information that 83 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:00.759 they're discussing. There has been out there for a very 84 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:02.639 long time. You just had to do a little bit 85 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:06.600 of research to find this stuff. But there are some 86 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:10.639 great testimonies coming out, some interesting people that they chose 87 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:15.079 to testify. I'm wondering why there's others that they didn't choose. 88 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:19.879 But I'm hoping that it will just continue to bring 89 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.720 information to light, and I'm hoping some something has got 90 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.720 to spark a flame under people's asses about the nature 91 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:30.639 of our systems and nature of reality everything that's been 92 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:34.600 coming out right now. But it's a it's a really 93 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.399 tough road as it relates to information. We're in the 94 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:41.120 biggest information propaganda syeop war ever. 95 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:43.959 Wait, dude, didn't you have bro? I think I thought 96 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.759 I saw an episode you did with Roseanne and Kathy O'Brien. 97 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.639 Yeah, right, yeah, I was like, dude, what was. 98 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:53.600 It like meeting Roseanne? I've had a message in her, like, 99 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:55.519 you know, she hasn't gone back to me, but like 100 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:58.160 I watched her show Grow. I think everybody pretty so 101 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.000 many people probably told you I watched her show Grown. 102 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.680 Yeah, yeah, she was great, man, it was extremely unexpected. 103 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:09.920 I had Kathy O'Brien and doctor Juliet Engele scheduled. I 104 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:13.439 don't know if you've ever spoken with her. She's next 105 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:16.800 week wonderful. Yeah, she's great. She is also an mk 106 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:24.279 Ultra survivor and whenever Kathy connected to Zoom, she's all 107 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:26.680 excited and she says, I have a friend here with me. 108 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:29.720 Do you mind if she joins us? And I'm thinking, 109 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:34.839 who what? And then Rosie O'Donnell pops in the camera 110 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:37.959 and she's like, hey, what's up. And it was a shock, 111 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:41.160 to say the least. But I was happy to have 112 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:46.680 her and it was a great episode. She had limited input, 113 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.639 but what she added was more along the lines of 114 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:52.800 her personal feelings about some of the things happening and 115 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:56.759 what we were discussing as it relates to MK Ultra 116 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:01.199 and the greater nature of the implication of everything and 117 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.439 the systems connected so on. Yeah. 118 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:08.399 Yeah, And that's a good point about the greater implications 119 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.199 of everything, because I feel like there could be major 120 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:13.959 implications if if we were to get full disclosure about 121 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:16.160 like what's going on and what's happened to some people, 122 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:18.160 and as far as like some of the shit we're 123 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:20.879 going to talk about today, because like it's it's when 124 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:23.560 you start to you know, if a lot of these 125 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:25.920 people are telling the truth, you know, and you know, 126 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.560 I you know, I know some of the stories we 127 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:30.399 hear out there, you know what I mean. Like, but 128 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:34.279 like's if even a little bit of that's true, the 129 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:37.240 holy shit, man, that's like some of the shit's been 130 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:39.000 done to people is absolutely criminal. 131 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:39.279 You know. 132 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:45.319 Yeah, it's incredible once you start diving in because there's 133 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:49.240 so many layers to peel through, and it does connect 134 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:55.279 to so many other conspiracies corruption. The nature of our 135 00:07:55.399 --> 00:08:02.279 systems and the web that's connected with not only mk Aultra, 136 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:08.319 but many of these black project programs that were spawned 137 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:14.279 off of mk Ultra. It forms such an intricate web 138 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.279 and there are so many people involved. But one of 139 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.079 the most interesting things is most of the people involved 140 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:25.240 not at the highest level, but you know, they're still 141 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:28.120 involved at a pretty decent level. They have no idea, 142 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:30.480 many of them have no idea that they are involved. 143 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.480 They have no idea what they're really doing, they have 144 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:39.080 no idea why they have been brought into these programs 145 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.519 such as the Gate program, which we'll get to in 146 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:45.840 a bit. But some of these people, i'd say the 147 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:51.039 higher level people are groomed from a yell very young age, 148 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:54.559 and they're a part of intelligence families or military level 149 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:58.200 military families. They use their kids because they want their 150 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:03.440 kids to be very successful psychopaths so that they could have, 151 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:05.559 you know, be able to handle the power that they're 152 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:10.240 going to get. So they the intelligence people at the top, 153 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:13.120 they throw their kids in these programs from early age, 154 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:18.320 most likely private schools and schools that specialize in early 155 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.759 mind control and programming and grooming for very powerful positions 156 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:27.440 like president or congressmen or movie star or something where 157 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:30.399 they're going to be out there in front of people. 158 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:36.399 Then we have the level of I think it could 159 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:38.919 be the you know, very equal when it comes to 160 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:44.879 the people that are being taken unaware, either it gets 161 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:50.240 weird through astral technologies, or they're actually being physically taken 162 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:54.480 drugged up and they are having their memory wiped, or 163 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:56.919 they have no idea what's going on when they're being taken. 164 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:00.399 That's another level. And then we have the level that 165 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:04.679 everyone has access to because everybody's parent wants their kids 166 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:08.759 to be smart and successful. And what is the gifted 167 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:12.799 and talented program advertised as if your kid is in 168 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:16.000 this program. It's going to help them succeed along the way, 169 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:18.799 and that sounds great for parents. Most parents have no 170 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:24.320 idea what it's really about at all, but they either 171 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:27.279 submit their kids to the program or their kids are tested. 172 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.120 I believe all schools are tested for the Gifts and 173 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:34.360 Talented program at one in one way or another. Whether 174 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:37.360 it's you know, a physical written test which we used 175 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:39.519 to do, I don't know how that's in any of 176 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:42.679 that works nowadays. A lot of the stuff that I'm 177 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:49.120 discussing it references earlier time periods seventies, eighties, nineties, and 178 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:53.320 a little bit of today, because we have very little 179 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:59.000 information coming out about modern Gate programs and MKL for programs. 180 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:02.960 My friend has just started to dive into some of 181 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.240 the modern stuff. He just made a movie, Psychic Agent 182 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:08.559 the Gate Program. It's a great film if you guys 183 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:11.519 want to go check that out. But there's very little 184 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:14.840 information coming out about what's happening with modern Gate programs. 185 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:20.679 But back in you know, seventies eighties, they would either 186 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:24.039 get signed up or they tested into these programs, and 187 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.799 depending on how high they tested or what kind of 188 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:29.799 scores they had, they would move on to other levels. 189 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:34.200 After school programs where they would be taken to off 190 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:37.559 site locations and tested. They had, of course, the hearing tests. 191 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:40.159 People hear about the pink drink whatever that is some 192 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:44.120 speculated drugs. I remember having a pink drink, but it 193 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:46.320 was just fluoride that they made us swish around and 194 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:48.799 spit out. But I wasn't a part of the gate program. 195 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.240 I was tested, and I'm pretty sure I flunked, So 196 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:54.000 that's lunked the initial test. So I didn't really go 197 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:56.240 any further. But I know a lot of people who have, 198 00:11:57.279 --> 00:12:01.879 and it just depends on what they find you're capable of. 199 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:08.000 And they're looking for everything from psychopathy to extreme charisma, 200 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:15.840 to psychic and telekinetic abilities, connection to the spirit realms, 201 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:22.600 connection to non human entities of any kinds. So they 202 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.120 start them early when kids are still open to some 203 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:27.919 of this stuff. They like to start them as early 204 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:31.679 as possible, and they groom them for whatever they want 205 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:33.919 them to be. And not all kids are tortured and 206 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:39.600 put through horrible, terrible, you know, experimentation or programs. Some 207 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:43.759 of them are just pushed along in a certain direction. 208 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:48.799 And I believe many of them and not all of them, 209 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:51.639 but many of them have handlers in their lives. The 210 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:55.000 kids that become successful within the Gate program, they have 211 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:57.879 someone that gets inserted into their lives, whether it's a friend, 212 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:02.000 family member, usually girlfriends, or or something along those lines, 213 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:05.840 so that they can keep close tabs on them and 214 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:10.200 they make sure that they're following the trajectory that they're 215 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:13.679 supposed to go and adjusting a little bit here along 216 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:15.840 the way. And that's where it gets really deep, because 217 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.759 it's not only handlers. If a person, if they're really 218 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:21.919 serious about grooming a person, they're going to affect every 219 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.879 aspect of their lives some way, somehow, what kind of 220 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.000 job they're getting, who they could come into contact in 221 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:32.480 their lives, what kind of tragedies may happen. Suddenly it 222 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:36.600 goes that deep. So these people are controlled, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 223 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:38.559 You do you think that they have like some kind 224 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.320 of like you know, like I know you talked about 225 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:45.399 this as well, like the walking glass like technology. I 226 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.120 know when Rider I talked to Rider actually about that. 227 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:50.159 He thinks that it was a different kind of program, 228 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:52.080 that it was like that it was come kind of 229 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.720 like SIOP or something. But like some people swear that 230 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.279 it's it's it's still a time travel technology regardless, Like 231 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.080 do you think that they have that or some other 232 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:05.399 kind of like time time technology that they can see 233 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.519 like potential timelines of what someone's gonna be like or 234 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:09.159 something like that. 235 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:13.399 So I can only go off of what some of 236 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:15.720 my guests have said that have claimed to have been 237 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.919 involved in those deep levels of the programs, like doctor 238 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:25.320 Juliet Ngele. She said, whenever they would want her to 239 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:30.159 quote unquote time travel or remote view it's basically the 240 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:33.679 same thing as remote viewing. She would know how to 241 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:38.799 project her third eye sight, her astral body, whatever you 242 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:42.720 want to call it, to any certain location and get information. 243 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.679 She said. She was also able to trime travel that way. 244 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:51.159 She was able to project her consciousness backwards or forwards 245 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:54.360 in time also to bring back information, but it was 246 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.399 mainly information gathering. I'm not sure if she was able 247 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:02.799 to affect anything in the past or the future or 248 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:06.279 anything like that. But she would also go to alternate dimensions, 249 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:10.159 different realms. It gets wild, she said. You know, she 250 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:13.600 learned from a very early age how to astral project, 251 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:17.000 how to exit her body. Hers was very traumatic. They 252 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:23.759 tortured her in incredibly horrible ways, but they would just 253 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.919 torture her enough till she dissociated and eventually she would 254 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:30.559 leave her body and be able to have access to 255 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:36.360 these other realms. They would get training Monroe Institute style 256 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:42.000 training of how to navigate astral realms, time travel, remote 257 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:46.480 view those wildest stuff that you would never believe. And 258 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.240 I'm sure many in your audience are like that some 259 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:53.039 big butleshit, But that's what they claim, man, And I'm 260 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:56.840 pretty sure it's possible. I know remote viewing as possible. 261 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:01.279 I know astral travel, astral out of body experiences are 262 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:05.879 are possible as well. So why wouldn't you be able 263 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:08.559 to use that for some kind of espionage or something 264 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:08.919 like that. 265 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:11.840 Yeah, I had to laugh when you say that, that's 266 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:17.039 some bullshit. I think, like, Okay, so that brings up 267 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:18.759 a good point. That's where I'm kind of I'm not. 268 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:21.480 I'm not at that point with the Secret Space Program. 269 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:24.279 I'm like, I'm I'm I'm like, I'm like a conundrum 270 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:26.240 with it because like, sure, I have a lot of 271 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.360 SSP experiencers on and I honor them and I let 272 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.080 them come on and tell their story. But at the 273 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:34.360 same time, I'm like, can we believe everything we're hearing, 274 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.240 because like, at the end of the day, it's like, 275 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:38.879 we have no evidence. But at the same time, it's 276 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:41.120 like when you're dealing with black projects, I don't think 277 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:43.759 we're gonna get much evidence. So it's like it's it's 278 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:45.840 definitely like a conundrum kind of you know. 279 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:48.559 Well, I think the people that claim to be in 280 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.480 the secret Space program, they're definitely connected with MK Ultra, 281 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:58.480 other kinds of black projects, even the Gate program. But 282 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:02.679 there's in from my perspective, there's a couple of things 283 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:07.960 that could be happening with this. First, I don't think 284 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:17.599 they're really traveling to other planets fighting physical extraterrestrial beings, 285 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:21.759 however they claim to be doing it, whether it's jump 286 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:27.200 rooms or consciousness projection, whatever that is. I don't think 287 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:31.400 they're really physically going there. Another possibility, and I do 288 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.880 believe they believe their stories. They believe they're telling the truth, 289 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:39.160 and their experiences were very real for them. So the 290 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:43.559 other possibility is they are astral traveling. Like I just said, 291 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:47.759 they're having out of body experiences or guided out of 292 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.920 body experiences lots of times. What they'll do with these 293 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:56.640 MK Ultra people, they will drug them heavy psychedelics, and 294 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.960 once they are able to exit their body, they guide 295 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:05.519 them through whatever experience that has you're fighting an alien here, 296 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:10.559 or you're doing this and that. That's another possibility. They're 297 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:13.440 either guiding them to have the experience or they're having 298 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:18.519 a genuine astral encounter with non human intelligences, which I 299 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.400 think is also possible. 300 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:23.720 The other is. 301 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:29.319 They're making it up for whatever reason. They are either 302 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:34.200 not all in their faculties, or they may even be 303 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.279 part of these programs in a sense that they are 304 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:40.519 being paid to lie, They're being paid to give misinformation. 305 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.200 I doubt that's the thing, but I know that's a 306 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:49.240 thing with content creators, that a content creator will get 307 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:54.039 on the radar and they will get co opted and projected. 308 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:57.759 The algorithm will pick them up. And that's also connected 309 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:01.400 with this stuff because they're groomed in a sense, they 310 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:05.400 are guided, and they most of those people have no idea, 311 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.160 no idea. That's why I am as independent as possible 312 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:12.079 with this. I don't work with. Only in person I 313 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.400 work with is Corey, who I've been friends with forever. 314 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:19.920 Oh god, he could be one. No. Yeah, And honestly, 315 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.440 you probably wouldn't be able to tell either way, so 316 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:24.400 it gets wild. 317 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:28.240 Yeah, but one of them. But the most cases that 318 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:29.880 come to mind is CG. I don't know if we 319 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:31.160 can say his name, you know. 320 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.039 Oh yeah, we can say Cory Good. Yeah. 321 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:36.839 Yeah, he's like the you know, he's the one that 322 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:39.039 people question a lot, and even you know, people had 323 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:42.880 some like speculation when Willcock passed away that like, was 324 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:46.240 was Corey Good like you know, somewhat like I don't know, 325 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:49.680 not negligent, because I wouldn't say he was negligent for 326 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:51.759 his death or anything like that, but like, you know, 327 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:55.599 did he manipulate David in some way that like, you know, 328 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.200 I don't know, you know, that's as possible. 329 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:02.759 I've heard speculation that he was put into his life 330 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.440 for specific reasons, and maybe it could have been a catalyst, 331 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:11.319 or maybe Corey Good could just be a con artist 332 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:14.839 who took advantage of him and situations built up for 333 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:22.119 David Wilcock. There's some strange circumstances surrounding Wilcox's death which 334 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:26.519 makes me question everything. But I'm still leaning towards it 335 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:30.680 was just a suicide. But whatever led up to that, 336 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.440 I couldn't tell you. I didn't really follow his work 337 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:34.000 that much. 338 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:38.319 Yeah, yeah, well another thing that you've been researching that 339 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:39.640 ties into this as the SRA. 340 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.759 You know, in fact, it's wild. So this one's interesting. 341 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:49.000 I've heard different theories from different people about why this 342 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:53.359 is used. By the way, Michael Aquino was a huge 343 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:56.720 part of these mk ulture programs. I've had several guests 344 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:00.200 that say, yes, he was there. He was there while 345 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:04.759 they were experimenting on me and torturing me. Also, doctor 346 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:07.799 Juliet Engel, she was growing up with him. He was 347 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:10.119 a small child in the program, so he was being 348 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:12.720 groomed with her at the same time as her, which 349 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:18.240 is pretty wild. But as far as the theories behind 350 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:23.000 why does he use first one, it's possible that they 351 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:28.279 really believe in Satanism. They really believe in Luciferianism, the 352 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:35.279 dark arts, magic entities that are demons, whatever you want 353 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:40.880 to call it, and they utilize black magic sorcery within 354 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:47.559 these programs the other and this gets deeper, and when 355 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:49.440 you get too deep, there's really not much of a 356 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:53.400 difference between them. But they could have such a great 357 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:58.519 understanding of psychology and blending it with technology and science 358 00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:07.160 that they use Satanic ritual abuse to perpetuate a narrative 359 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:11.759 that they're magical, to make these people believe that they're 360 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.839 doing something that has these mystical effects, when all they're 361 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:22.680 really doing is using extreme psychological manipulation techniques and torture, 362 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:26.720 which if you dress in a robe and you're chanting 363 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:30.000 while you're torturing them, that adds a whole new level 364 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:34.880 of effect for that person. So I've heard both. I 365 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:37.480 couldn't tell you which is the case, and it's probably 366 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:40.079 a mix of both, depending on what program you're in, 367 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:43.839 or who is at the higher level of either program, 368 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:46.400 what faction is doing it, it may be just a 369 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:50.079 mix of everything as it relates to that. But the 370 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:55.359 rituals are they become real either way. From what I understand, 371 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:59.319 the effects of the ritual, whether it's real magic accessing 372 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:03.359 demons or something along those lines, or it's psychological manipulation 373 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.319 of an extreme level, the effects are the same. So 374 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:09.880 it really doesn't make a difference either way. 375 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:14.240 Yeah, you know what's scary about the Michaelaucino thing is 376 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:17.440 the fact that he was able to like, like ascertain 377 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:20.079 like a high level of position in the government or 378 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:22.519 in the military, you know, like they just let him, like, 379 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:23.640 you know, become a. 380 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:26.359 They didn't let him. They groomed him. They were, like 381 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:29.240 I said, he was with you, doctor Juliet Engel from 382 00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:32.640 a very young age. They were grooming him for that 383 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:38.240 very position. They were grooming him to start the psychological 384 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:43.559 warfare and the military, the modern operations. That's what he was, 385 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:45.880 you know, that's what he was supposed to be all about. 386 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:48.680 And that's why they they they put him in there. 387 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:53.920 Wow, that's that's crazy, holy shit, Like that's uh yeah, 388 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:56.480 it sounds almost like he was like he was like. 389 00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:59.839 But here's the thing. Look at any celebrity, not any 390 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:04.279 most celebrities, look at it, most politicians that get high 391 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:12.039 levels of power, most people who are super billionaires, CEOs. 392 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:17.440 I would suspect that most of those people went through 393 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:21.160 some kind of gifted in talented program. And it doesn't 394 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:23.599 just have to be GATE. They have variations of Gate. 395 00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:27.119 They have all kinds of different acronyms that really mean 396 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:30.400 the same thing as the Gifted and Talented program. And 397 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:34.160 I'm pretty sure all these people, the only people who 398 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:38.079 are allowed to get a certain level of power and influence, 399 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:42.960 are under control. They have been through these broths they've 400 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:46.240 been groomed for that position. They have handlers, and the 401 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:51.440