Speaker 1: You're watching brand new Faces. I'm your host, Matt, and
Speaker 1: I'm joined tonight by a very special guest. You can
Speaker 1: find her on Twitter at the dear phon on only
Speaker 1: fans at deer Phon and I want to send you
Speaker 1: over somewhere. We don't normally send guests or audience members
Speaker 1: from guests twitch at deer x Fahn my guest today,
Speaker 1: as if you didn't guess it from the user names
Speaker 1: on everything else, dear Phon, deer Fawn, how are you today?
Speaker 1: I am doing excellent. How are you good? I just
Speaker 1: want to call you phone so badly, though.
Speaker 2: Faun is actually fine because again the name is just
Speaker 2: just for people not realizing I'm just listening. It's de
Speaker 2: a R Faun. But fun is a baby de e
Speaker 2: r So I was just being punny, but that you
Speaker 2: can just call me fon.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, I am dumb because I did not even
Speaker 1: pick up on. I mean, like, I know the word deer.
Speaker 1: I'm aware of the word deer and the plurals and
Speaker 1: everything else of it. D e A R Fawn Twitter,
Speaker 1: the deer Fawn OnlyFans at deer Fawn Twitch. Dear x
Speaker 1: Fawn links to everything in the episode description as always.
Speaker 1: Bare minimum you can do for these folks, these creators
Speaker 1: is at least follow them on the free sites. Bare minimum.
Speaker 1: Next step payday rolls around, you go, oh, does my
Speaker 1: kid need lunch next week? No, you need a subscription
Speaker 1: only fans, Dear faun, I'm gonna start with the third
Speaker 1: rudest question you can ask, and feel free to lie
Speaker 1: about it if you like. Okay, you're more than welcome
Speaker 1: to The first rude is question that I've seen asked
Speaker 1: to a woman in real life, and the other day
Speaker 1: I presented it like that and a performer answered the
Speaker 1: first two questions, not looking for the first two answers here.
Speaker 1: The first rudest question I've ever seen someone ask someone
Speaker 1: a woman was are you pregnant? And that was terrible.
Speaker 1: The next rudius question you could probably ask somebody is
Speaker 1: how much do you weigh? Terribly rude, specifically for me
Speaker 1: and certain women. The third rude is question, can I
Speaker 1: ask how old you are?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: I have answers locked and loaded here because I get
Speaker 2: asked this question often. Obviously, I always tell people that
Speaker 2: I am eternal but not maternal, so don't call me
Speaker 2: mommy unless you want me to fuck your dad.
Speaker 1: There you go. That's a fair answer. I'll accept you
Speaker 1: let me all right. I don't know how old you are, eternal,
Speaker 1: so maybe you remember like nineties two thousand, rap at All.
Speaker 1: I used to listen to it and they would talk
Speaker 1: about and I'd be like thirty six twenty foot and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that girl's thick. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the fuck that means, though, So I've created my
Speaker 1: own measurements on this show, and I'm hoping maybe you
Speaker 1: could help me answer them. Can I ask what your
Speaker 1: height is? Yes, I'm five point seven, okay. Can I
Speaker 1: ask what your cup size on your lovely breasts are? Oh?
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. They are somewhere between double and
Speaker 2: triple D, which I think is E at that point.
Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know how American letters work necessarily, so
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm just kidding. I am American. And let
Speaker 1: me last last measurement for my foot guys out there,
Speaker 1: not necessarily my thing, but we represent everybody who's not
Speaker 1: a total creep. What is your shoe size?
Speaker 2: Yes, we got to support visibility for our book. Guys.
Speaker 2: My shoe size in the US is eight and a half.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that translates everywhere else, but it
Speaker 2: is eight and a half?
Speaker 1: Okay, wonderful? Is that that's what I've been getting a
Speaker 1: lot lately? Is that about average for a woman? I
Speaker 1: think my wife's an eight or an eight and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very very average. Okay, okay, fair it means
Speaker 2: that all of my favorite shoes are always out of stock.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. My cousin, we're sixteen growing up, so he
Speaker 1: always had his pick when they actually made him that big.
Speaker 2: True. I was gonna say, interesting, since they make them
Speaker 2: that big.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Take me through how you get
Speaker 1: from wherever you were previous to coming into this industry
Speaker 1: to coming into this industry, and what form you see
Speaker 1: yourself taking in this industry. So walk me through when
Speaker 1: you go, my life is vanilla, fucking I ain't doing
Speaker 1: this anymore, and we take the jump.
Speaker 2: You know. So my life has never been really all
Speaker 2: that ordinary. I grew up in well half of my life.
Speaker 2: I grew up in this very Mormon town. I am
Speaker 2: not Mormon, obviously, and or maybe that isn't obvious. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know many Mormons doing this, but
Speaker 2: who knows. But I did. It was a tiny like
Speaker 2: way off the grid, not in Utah though, so don't
Speaker 2: go looking for it. But anyway, so yeah, I I
Speaker 2: sort of grew up pretty naive about stuff. And I
Speaker 2: remember one of my first boyfriends had so this might
Speaker 2: start telling people my age. He had a bunch of
Speaker 2: like suicide girls sets on his computer and at the time,
Speaker 2: you know, I listened to you know, this also might
Speaker 2: tell people my I listened to a lot of like,
Speaker 2: you know, the the old school emo music, and so
Speaker 2: I was kind of alternative in my heart, but I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't like show it outward because I was pretty naive.
Speaker 2: So I see these suicide girls and I was like,
Speaker 2: what is this? And I kind of actually freaked out
Speaker 2: at the time because I thought, you know, since I
Speaker 2: was I had ginger hair, and I was very like
Speaker 2: preppy at the time, you know, I was the kind
Speaker 2: of gal that wore the like popped collared you know,
Speaker 2: like shirts. Again, this is all given my age way,
Speaker 2: but I like to be mysterious about that. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so I was kind of frightened actually about some of
Speaker 2: these girls because they were covered in tattoos. For anybody
Speaker 2: who can't see I have some tattoos. I've got some tattoos,
Speaker 2: you know, south of the border, and I've I've got
Speaker 2: purple hair now, and you know, I've moved into my
Speaker 2: alternative persona. But at the time I was, I was frightened,
Speaker 2: I was intrigued. I was like, is this what I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to look like? You know, et cetera. And as
Speaker 2: I but you know, again, like I say, I was
Speaker 2: going to a lot of these like alternative events, shows, concerts,
Speaker 2: et cetera, and so I started to like really look
Speaker 2: towards that you know, taboo lifestyle, and I really wanted
Speaker 2: to be one of these suicide girls. Now, I never
Speaker 2: became a suicide girl just for you know, reasons of
Speaker 2: like the how they do business. But I really always
Speaker 2: wanted to do like something erotic. And at first it
Speaker 2: started kind of as a as a side quest, if
Speaker 2: you will. Like I did a few nude shoots, mainly
Speaker 2: artistic nude shoots, and I had a lot of body dysmorphia.
Speaker 2: And I remember the first time I did you know,
Speaker 2: these nude shoots, I like finally saw myself and there
Speaker 2: was something like about that distance between like the mirror
Speaker 2: and these photos that I was like, wait a second,
Speaker 2: this is not how I thought I looked. So I
Speaker 2: remember thinking, gosh, like maybe I'm prettier than I thought.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like it was healing something mentally for me.
Speaker 2: And then I started getting into because I never wanted
Speaker 2: mostly because I'm clumsy, and I also don't want there
Speaker 2: to be like direct interaction with clients. I didn't want
Speaker 2: to do like stripping. I can't wear the heels, sorry, everybody,
Speaker 2: like I just and again, I didn't want people to
Speaker 2: be in my hometown or like no, not because like
Speaker 2: I don't mind, I don't mind people knowing that I
Speaker 2: do adult work. I just don't want to be so
Speaker 2: close to it in my community. So I was like,
Speaker 2: well what about webcaming and and so I started there
Speaker 2: and then eventually moved into content creation. As you know,
Speaker 2: things like OnlyFans really took off.
Speaker 1: Okay, what was it? So you threw a lot out there?
Speaker 1: Let me ask. First off, my first concert I ever
Speaker 1: went to in eighth grade was Blink one eighty two
Speaker 1: and Green Day, So we're probably we're probably in a range,
Speaker 1: perhaps you think, yes, okay, fair enough, Yeah, my.
Speaker 2: First concert was not anything like that. It was this
Speaker 2: is gonna make me sound a hundred, but it was
Speaker 2: definitely not like of my era. But my very first
Speaker 2: concert was the Moody.
Speaker 1: Blue Okay, all right, they're gonna say like Hall of
Speaker 1: Notes or something. Even narrow it down a little more.
Speaker 1: Go oh, she's a Philly Mormon. Okay, it makes sense, right, No, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well we were all excited by Avril Levine when I
Speaker 1: was younger, so I get I was. I was fully
Speaker 1: in with what you're talking about. The punk crowd, the crowd,
Speaker 1: escape crowd. It was all kind of meshed together. There
Speaker 1: was some goth in there too, grown.
Speaker 2: Up and I identify more on the goth side of
Speaker 2: things these days. But I started in that genre that
Speaker 2: you're talking about for sure.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you. And here's the thing. I
Speaker 1: was going through Catholic school while all of this came up,
Speaker 1: and it was such a great like outlet, like a release,
Speaker 1: like a rebellion. Hey, this is what it so is
Speaker 1: that what you got it from. You grew up in
Speaker 1: a small Mormon community. You might have pointed out, and
Speaker 1: you did point out. You might have pointed out, you
Speaker 1: pointed that.
Speaker 2: Maybe it happened, it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's just all the interviews I do, it
Speaker 1: either starts one of two. It's always like I grew
Speaker 1: up in this small community and it was either I
Speaker 1: needed to rebel and push out or I was closeted
Speaker 1: for so long that someone opened my eyes to rebel
Speaker 1: and push out, getting me into this industry. What do
Speaker 1: you think yours was a little closer to if you
Speaker 1: could say.
Speaker 2: I do think it's it's more of the like initial rebellion.
Speaker 2: It's funny to me though, because I also I started
Speaker 2: so even though like I wanted to rebel since I
Speaker 2: was a child, I I started in the industry really
Speaker 2: slowly and it's always been on my own terms, which
Speaker 2: I'm very thankful for, because I did want the rebellion
Speaker 2: when I was a teenager, but I was able to
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was just a stroke of
Speaker 2: luck on things, but I was able to really craft
Speaker 2: my own path instead of being like hoovered up by
Speaker 2: you know, predatory you know, porn producers or whatever, like
Speaker 2: you know, doing the barely legal thing. I never I
Speaker 2: never got into that level of the adult industry, even
Speaker 2: though I desperately wanted to rebel and I was actually
Speaker 2: quite naive about my rebellion. So I think that there
Speaker 2: were like very lucky moments in my journey with this.
Speaker 1: Sure, So were you always like, what's the term sexually ambitious?
Speaker 1: Or was that something that got turned on by again
Speaker 1: the alt lifestyle of this and that you saw. I mean,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you got turned on by it by
Speaker 1: the Burning Angels type girls, right or.
Speaker 4: Su as I grow sorry, sorry, I Burning Angels. Oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, a real broback, Holy Moly, eighth grade. I
Speaker 4: almost had my first sexual encounter with a girl. She
Speaker 4: was very interested in doing it with me. I was
Speaker 4: dating another girl at the time.
Speaker 1: She sucked. She went on to become a Burning Angel
Speaker 1: and broke breaks my heart every time talking about it.
Speaker 1: I love Joanna Angel. Shout out to you, Michael. I
Speaker 1: terrified her at Exotica three years ago. I walked up
Speaker 1: with my card and there was some distraction, so her
Speaker 1: security turned. I didn't do it because her security turned.
Speaker 1: I just I just was. It was in motion and
Speaker 1: I walk up and I go, Hi, how you doing
Speaker 1: joying it? I just wanted to give you my card
Speaker 1: and she looked at me like, get this fucking sasquatch away.
Speaker 1: From me. Someone please get this thing away. She is
Speaker 1: so tiny in real life. I'm sure she's tiny, but
Speaker 1: she's mighty. So yeah, much, very much so. The first
Speaker 1: thing you did was was streaming then chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, yeah, it was you know, the typical adult cams.
Speaker 2: I can't even remember the first one that I signed
Speaker 2: up for. I do remember my first experience on it, though,
Speaker 2: and I was like wow. And I'll get into that
Speaker 2: in a second, but I think the novelty because I
Speaker 2: am pretty To answer your initial question, I am pretty
Speaker 2: sexually ambitious, if you will. Like, I've always felt a
Speaker 2: little bit more on the fringe. And I don't mean
Speaker 2: that in like I've got some crazy kings, although you know,
Speaker 2: I've got some kinks and stuff, but it's more like
Speaker 2: I don't I don't find sex itself as much of
Speaker 2: a taboo, which is crazy coming from, you know, a
Speaker 2: religious town and background and whatnot. Even though again, like
Speaker 2: I say, my parents weren't explicitly Mormon or anything, but
Speaker 2: it was just all around me in the culture. It's
Speaker 2: weird for me. I just intellectually, I've never thought of
Speaker 2: sex as big of a deal as as like, cause
Speaker 2: it was one of those things where, you know, I
Speaker 2: was just like, I'm still not understanding, like what about
Speaker 2: this old book and Jesus that you know this guy
Speaker 2: nobody's ever met, Like I don't what are we talking
Speaker 2: about here? And I'm not trying to be you know,
Speaker 2: shitty to people that have faith. I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 2: logically speaking, sex never felt so out of line to me,
Speaker 2: as long as it's safe saying consensual, you know, all
Speaker 2: those sorts of things. You know, sex can be used
Speaker 2: as a weapon, but and and there are shameful aspects
Speaker 2: of things within that world, but just consensual, the act
Speaker 2: of sex never felt weird to me. So I think
Speaker 2: that's another reason why this always kind of it didn't
Speaker 2: I again, I just logically couldn't figure out what was
Speaker 2: so taboo even about and so like, even though I'm
Speaker 2: not exactly an exhibitionist, what I was just going on
Speaker 2: about about like coming to terms with my body and
Speaker 2: feeling because like most teenage girls and then into my
Speaker 2: you know, twenties and such, I don't I don't have
Speaker 2: like a very clear idea of what I really actually
Speaker 2: look like, even though the mirrors right there, like the
Speaker 2: mirror lie, the mirror lies to those with body dysmorphia,
Speaker 2: and so there was just something about the camera and
Speaker 2: there was something about the audience that really gave me
Speaker 2: a new perspective about both what my body really was
Speaker 2: presenting and you know, what I thought sex really was,
Speaker 2: and in a healthy way.
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, Sure, so when you jumped into camming and
Speaker 1: you said you didn't even remember the site necessarily right
Speaker 1: off the bat, did they did? Okay? What always fascinates
Speaker 1: me is the new girl bump where they hit a
Speaker 1: tag for new or whatever it is. Yes, and the
Speaker 1: first few days, you guys have four thousand people who
Speaker 1: are just oh my god, dear fon, she's so high.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah. Did you eventually have the leveling out?
Speaker 1: And what does that feel like for like your psyche
Speaker 1: or your ego? Because again you're coming into this going
Speaker 1: like my body person, you're in your head, You're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know about my body. I'm looking and I go,
Speaker 1: I mean I would give limbs to be with a
Speaker 1: person like you. But did you have any kind of
Speaker 1: leveling off? Where did it slow down? And you had
Speaker 1: to reconsider any of that and then try moving into
Speaker 1: different avenues or different streams or whatever.
Speaker 2: It is definitely And I will say, so, you know,
Speaker 2: there is this misconception about, you know, this industry, especially
Speaker 2: for those that you know, kind of are on the
Speaker 2: outside looking in, assuming what the industry is like. So
Speaker 2: you do get those bumps, but those bumps don't usually
Speaker 2: even like translate into much money. It's it's it's more
Speaker 2: like a validation thing, and you know, like it's not
Speaker 2: it isn't it doesn't translate into money. And so it
Speaker 2: isn't just about showing your tits that like, because I
Speaker 2: do think that there's this idea that like, but if
Speaker 2: I'm just willing to show my tits and be sexual
Speaker 2: on camera, then that's that's the hurdle that we're getting over,
Speaker 2: is the willingness to do this. And I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of hard work, even if there's a
Speaker 2: lot of eyeballs on you. And there's something that I
Speaker 2: realized with that slump that happened was that actually, in
Speaker 2: some ways I kind of enjoyed that the noise was gone,
Speaker 2: and then there was like some more like what's the
Speaker 2: word I'm looking for? Serious? You were like my fandom
Speaker 2: narrowed down to who really wanted to be there.
Speaker 1: Your your audience concentrated, it was no longer there the
Speaker 1: water and the mist and the vapor around it. Because
Speaker 1: you're right, five thousand people come in your room that
Speaker 1: first day, and like forty nine hundred and seventy five
Speaker 1: have never spent a token on that shit, right, And.
Speaker 2: In fact, most of them are trying to, like, you know,
Speaker 2: get you onto telegrams so they can stam you whatever.
Speaker 2: They're trying to get freebies. They like have the the
Speaker 2: the scams where they literally copy and past something and
Speaker 2: it looks like they're tipping you in your room.
Speaker 1: Like now. Now, I don't want to get political, but
Speaker 1: folks out there, if you have a political candidate who
Speaker 1: wants to publicly execute online scammers, I will in fact
Speaker 1: vote for you, Okay, I yes, I anyone who goes
Speaker 1: into a chat room where a new girl is presenting
Speaker 1: her body and saying please, you know, engage with me,
Speaker 1: and you go, hmmm, I'd like to scam the shit
Speaker 1: out of that girl. Times Square anyway, agreed endorse Okay,
Speaker 1: fair enough. We rarely make political endorsements on the show,
Speaker 1: but I had to lay that one out there, so
Speaker 1: tell me, Okay, So here's the other thing we pitched
Speaker 1: twitch at the beginning. Again, that is, dear dear x fawn,
Speaker 1: what are you trying to move into now? Because again
Speaker 1: and links in the as a description, as always, I
Speaker 1: have your beacons up here, you have a link to everything.
Speaker 1: It looks like it looks it looks like you're putting
Speaker 1: your hands in everything.
Speaker 2: It kind of does, and I will I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
Speaker 2: especially for the fellow creators out there, I'm going to
Speaker 2: put out some tips here because there's a few things
Speaker 2: I've discovered. I would not be streaming individually to every
Speaker 2: single one of the cam sites that you see on
Speaker 2: my beacons if it weren't for it. There's a it's
Speaker 2: it's called Shine Browser. I'm not I'm not affiliated. I
Speaker 2: don't get any money for this, but it's called Shine Browser,
Speaker 2: and it like aggregates. And the problem is you can
Speaker 2: in obs or whatever you use, you can get like
Speaker 2: multi streaming plugins. The problem is is it draws directly
Speaker 2: and I know I'm gonna get really techy, it draws
Speaker 2: directly from your CPU, and so most computers can't handle it,
Speaker 2: and so most people don't multi stream. Whereas this browser
Speaker 2: does it from you know, their servers, so it doesn't
Speaker 2: take any strain off of your computer, and it has
Speaker 2: all of your chatters, all of your viewers in one window,
Speaker 2: so I can just see and it shows exactly where
Speaker 2: they're coming from. And then if you ever go private,
Speaker 2: then it shuts down whatever other sites you're on, says
Speaker 2: that you're in a private show on all of those sites.
Speaker 2: And so I just kind of like because different sites
Speaker 2: have different audiences, you know, there's some that cater more
Speaker 2: to Europe, there's some that cater more to the US,
Speaker 2: there's some that cater more towards you know, certain things.
Speaker 2: And so that's why I have it looks like I'm
Speaker 2: on a lot of things, but I'm actually just kind
Speaker 2: of multi streaming, you know, where I'm allowed. Obviously, there
Speaker 2: are some places that won't allow it, but there's plenty
Speaker 2: of sites that say, yeah, absolutely, go for it, friend,
Speaker 2: and so then I do.
Speaker 1: Well, my first piece of advice is go out and
Speaker 1: get yourself an affiliate link to whoever you were talking
Speaker 1: about right there, and I'll put it in. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you could just go apply for it, but here's what
Speaker 1: I would say. I totally understand what you're saying out
Speaker 1: between the cams and this and that, but you also
Speaker 1: it seems like you also touch your feet into other stuff,
Speaker 1: not just that genre. It's not just cam or maybe
Speaker 1: it is. Tell me what your room's like, because you're
Speaker 1: also on twitch Joystick. The only one I've ever and
Speaker 1: only person I've ever talked to that was on Joystick
Speaker 1: was Violet Myers, and that was a combination of sheil
Speaker 1: pause Joystick TV. What exactly is Joystick TV?
Speaker 2: So it it sort of it presents itself like it's
Speaker 2: the sexy Twitch. Okay, so it's supposed to be for gamers,
Speaker 2: cause players, you know, nerds, but you know that get
Speaker 2: freaky after dark.
Speaker 1: So okay, okay, so is it? Yeah, that's what it
Speaker 1: felt like to me. It felt like if I go
Speaker 1: from your Chatterbait or your myfree cams and then I
Speaker 1: still want to see the nudity, but like I'm into
Speaker 1: your life and like what you play or what you design, Yeah,
Speaker 1: your costumes and this and that. I'll go to the
Speaker 1: Joystick and it's like, oh, I'm all gooned out for
Speaker 1: the day. I'll just have a to her Twitch now
Speaker 1: and see what she's doing. Is that kind of the progression.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and again I don't want to
Speaker 2: get to like two in the weeds business oriented here,
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that a lot of especially
Speaker 2: if you're doing things that are like content creation related,
Speaker 2: which is where a lot of people want to focus
Speaker 2: their energy into OnlyFans and whatnot, you do need to
Speaker 2: create an audience somewhere, and oftentimes and usually there has
Speaker 2: to be that audience that isn't already. So if you
Speaker 2: try to create an OnlyFans audience through chatterbait, they're already
Speaker 2: on chatterbait. They're like, my tokens are here, why can't
Speaker 2: you get naked here? And so whereas Twitch and you know,
Speaker 2: the ones that are more safe for work, then you're
Speaker 2: going to have those people that are like, well she
Speaker 2: can't show her tits on Twitch, Well, there's the only fans.
Speaker 2: So there's kind of a funnel that happens there. On
Speaker 2: the other hand, also Twitch, you can you know, obviously
Speaker 2: get paid with subscriptions just for people wanting to watch
Speaker 2: you and your personality and you know, playing games and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, which I appreciate as well.
Speaker 2: So there's there's sort of that like multi purpose with twitch.
Speaker 2: That is like, if I don't always just want to
Speaker 2: be tits first, then and don't get me wrong, I
Speaker 2: don't mind being tits first a lot of my life.
Speaker 2: But if you want to do things like you know,
Speaker 2: I play games, I like, you know, there's there's other
Speaker 2: things that you know, if I want to get cozy
Speaker 2: in place in Boulder's Gate, then I you know, I
Speaker 2: can do that and I can sort of like cultivate
Speaker 2: an audience there. Sure, yeah, And I think that there's
Speaker 2: something about that. Uh, what's that diversity? That diversifying of
Speaker 2: how I'm out there? Because again I understand why there's
Speaker 2: some people that don't want to be known for their
Speaker 2: adult work. I don't mind it, which is why I'm here. Obviously,
Speaker 2: I don't mind being known for that, and so I
Speaker 2: don't mind kind of crossing genres if you will.
Speaker 1: Right, So is that what is your twitch? So okay,
Speaker 1: stop saying so first off, idiot, that's me. I go
Speaker 1: in your Twitter. I'm scrolling through and I was looking
Speaker 1: for pictures. I was like, I'll find something for the
Speaker 1: social media, and I go, okay, here she is, Princess Peach.
Speaker 1: It looks like it was this person. Are you a
Speaker 1: cos player or are you a video game player? On Twitch?
Speaker 1: And is there a difference not between those two between
Speaker 1: the audience you bring in with those.
Speaker 2: Sure, I hear what you're saying. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of overlap, Like the Benn diagram is pretty pretty almost
Speaker 2: two circles on top of each other. But that but
Speaker 2: you know, I there's a you know, it's a variety
Speaker 2: streamer as they call them, because I actually started on
Speaker 2: Twitch as a when they still had the hot tub streams.
Speaker 2: I started as a hot tub streamer and then that
Speaker 2: kind of fell out of favor and there was a
Speaker 2: lot of really angry, you know, dudes that were furious
Speaker 2: about letting hot tub streamers exist. So they kind of
Speaker 2: they moved away from that, and then you know, they're
Speaker 2: technically is still a category. But you know, most of
Speaker 2: the time people are literally just chatting with like a
Speaker 2: kiddie pool in the background, because you have to have
Speaker 2: a body of water in order to so most of
Speaker 2: ule are actually in hot tubs anymore. They're just they're
Speaker 2: just doing chatting. And similarly, with like what I do,
Speaker 2: I do a lot of like just chatting or sometimes
Speaker 2: I'll get into a game category if I'm you know,
Speaker 2: feeling like it, but it's it's mainly just chatting. And
Speaker 2: you know, oftentimes I'll be in cosplay, not every time, though,
Speaker 2: sometimes I'll just be playing games. And again, the audience
Speaker 2: is pretty universal.
Speaker 1: There gotcha? So what does the audience want to hear
Speaker 1: you chat about? Just your normal life or news that
Speaker 1: came out? Do you touch on anything big in the
Speaker 1: new now that face.
Speaker 2: I am sure nobody wants to hear me talking about
Speaker 2: the news because I'm a Now we will get into
Speaker 2: politics two seconds. I'm a dirty card carrying socialist. I
Speaker 2: love Donny Anyway, point is is nobody wants to hear
Speaker 2: me talk about politics, which but that does kind of weirdly.
Speaker 2: I do talk about it sometimes, but in the sort
Speaker 2: of like how this is another this is another point
Speaker 2: of labor, if you will, Like I, I'm in the
Speaker 2: laboring working class, and you know a lot of times people,
Speaker 2: uh so I do. I do talk philosophically often. People
Speaker 2: know that I'm I'm not just a bimbo. I mean,
Speaker 2: I can I can play one on TV, but I'm
Speaker 2: mainly you know, I crack some jokes, I talk about philosophy,
Speaker 2: I talk about you know, I've got two little sheeta
Speaker 2: e news. They come in and play and you know,
Speaker 2: I talk about my dogs and that that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of just like a peek, a little
Speaker 2: peephole into my.
Speaker 1: Life and they like engaging with that. Absolutely writing, that's awesome,
Speaker 1: that's incredible. You know you've talked about a little politics there.
Speaker 1: I interviewed a girl like two years ago who looks
Speaker 1: just spot on, just like AOC. Oh, and and it
Speaker 1: got in my head right at that moment. Look, death
Speaker 1: threats will go through the roof, obviously, but I think
Speaker 1: so would subscriptions too, exactly.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you've got a rage bait again. I mean, it
Speaker 2: would be the socialist, but I understand capitalism.
Speaker 1: Baby, I don't even And especially in AOC one, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have guys who want to sign up who are like,
Speaker 1: fuck this bitch, blah blah blah, I want to see
Speaker 1: your ducker. But then the other side is, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I love AOC. I want to see it would sell, man,
Speaker 1: it really would sell. It would. But again, death threats,
Speaker 1: your address, all that bullshit something.
Speaker 2: And you do have to kind of square that. I
Speaker 2: do understand. Although there are some things that I hold,
Speaker 2: like to the utmost sacred standard of integrity in my life,
Speaker 2: and then there's some stuff like that where I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, screw it, let's ever you know, get.
Speaker 2: Really good about, like hire somebody to help you with
Speaker 2: like you know, making sure you're not dosed and your
Speaker 2: cybersecurity and security security and then letter rip my friend.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's a great marketing. So
Speaker 1: that's what I'm asking trying to get to with you here,
Speaker 1: What is your brand? Because I love everything I see
Speaker 1: of you. But again, the same thing with your beacon,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I don't even know where to start
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 2: Need to tone it down at some point, even though
Speaker 2: I am technically discoverable.
Speaker 1: Not even tone it down. I just I got to
Speaker 1: know where where where go is so I can start
Speaker 1: working this monopoly board and get to every PCU. That
Speaker 1: sounds weird, but you know what I mean by it.
Speaker 1: Would you consider yourself primarily a streamer, primarily a cam person,
Speaker 1: primarily an only fans creator, or you know, are you
Speaker 1: a cosplayer? Like if I wanted to start on the
Speaker 1: Deer Fon Journey, where should I begin?
Speaker 2: Yes? You know, I think that is a great question,
Speaker 2: and I didn't realize I was. I mean this in
Speaker 2: the most respectful way possible. I didn't realize I was
Speaker 2: doing a marketing session, but I probably needed. It's probably
Speaker 2: some ADHD that has gone like untreated or something for me,
Speaker 2: but I I don't really identify. So for instance, you know,
Speaker 2: there's there's a few cosplayers that I absolutely love, and
Speaker 2: they're out there, you know, literally blacksmithing their shit, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm like Ali express for most of
Speaker 2: the bits and pieces. I can maybe craft a little
Speaker 2: thing out of felt, but I'm not a blacksmith. I'm
Speaker 2: not like a case player in that sense. So it's
Speaker 2: you know, somebody asked me, they were like, do you
Speaker 2: do it professionally? And I'm like, I mean, I've made
Speaker 2: some money being dressed up as Princess Peach before, but
Speaker 2: that was just like an Amazon thing, so so professionally
Speaker 2: not probably a cosplayer. As far as like what I
Speaker 2: identify with, I mean, I do think it's mainly content
Speaker 2: creation as an umbrella, and I don't think that that
Speaker 2: needs to be per Again, maybe this is why I
Speaker 2: don't have millions of dollars in the bank yet though,
Speaker 2: I don't have like a focus that is just like
Speaker 2: I am like the gallon my free cams. That is
Speaker 2: just that's where I live and breathe. I will say
Speaker 2: that some of that might be some I had not
Speaker 2: a bad experience. They were great, but I did really
Speaker 2: focus on one and I will not say them because
Speaker 2: I don't want to, like, you know, besmirch their good
Speaker 2: name because they really they were a fine camsite, but
Speaker 2: they were extremely exclusive and I made great money, although
Speaker 2: their percentage is terrible, but I made great money. They
Speaker 2: were very exclusive, and they they did end up finding me.
Speaker 2: You know, I rose the ranks, and they were like,
Speaker 2: holy moly, it sounds like you're doing a news broadcast
Speaker 2: but naked. Every time you're here, we want to hire you.
Speaker 2: And this is a big company. This isn't some fly
Speaker 2: by night, small little thing. They're like, we want to
Speaker 2: move you to LA and make you the host of
Speaker 2: our podcast. And I was like, fuck, guess I've arrived.
Speaker 2: This is what I want to do. Because again, a
Speaker 2: lot of this is just fascinating to me. In general,
Speaker 2: I'm chatty. I love talking to other people in this space.
Speaker 2: You know, yes, sex is fun, but it's also like
Speaker 2: the novelty of it all is just so like fascinating
Speaker 2: to me, which is probably why I'm also won one
Speaker 2: hundred different things at this point. But I was very
Speaker 2: loyal to them, so I went to LA during the pandemic.
Speaker 2: I went to LA so stoked to be their podcast host.
Speaker 2: And I get there and maybe I should have like
Speaker 2: nailed this down a little bit better before I got
Speaker 2: out there. But what they were offering me with pay,
Speaker 2: especially in LA, and they didn't want me to cam
Speaker 2: anymore either. I was going to be focusing on the podcast.
Speaker 2: What they were offering me in pay was forty thousand
Speaker 2: a year in LA, and I was like, oh, my
Speaker 2: sweet baby Jesus, how am I supposed to make this work?
Speaker 2: And then they paired me up with a host that
Speaker 2: was anti sex work and not because we were going
Speaker 2: to have like a you know, cross talk kind of
Speaker 2: like debate. They she played like she was into it,
Speaker 2: but the reason why they hired her was because she
Speaker 2: was a big talk show host already in LA, and
Speaker 2: so secretly she was against all of this, And so
Speaker 2: her and I did not get along, and they were
Speaker 2: going to be paying me nothing, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how to survive in LA on this
Speaker 2: like what do you expect me to do? And I
Speaker 2: can't cam anymore? And I had to be very exclusive
Speaker 2: to their brand and so there was something about that
Speaker 2: that I was just like, you know what. So I
Speaker 2: didn't end up accepting the offer. I did like two episodes.
Speaker 2: Funny not to keep babbling, but funny story is, two
Speaker 2: years after I left that position, the person that replaced me,
Speaker 2: and they did not know that they had replaced me
Speaker 2: as the host of this podcast, contacted me to do
Speaker 2: an interview because they saw that I was a streamer
Speaker 2: and now they caught this part of me. I was like, sure,
Speaker 2: I'll interview with you, and then at the very end
Speaker 2: of the interview, I was like, just so you know
Speaker 2: I replaced you or you replaced me, rather like what
Speaker 2: I had no idea that you were hired for this,
Speaker 2: and they caught that out of the interview unfortunately when
Speaker 2: they posted it. But still, anyway, my point is I
Speaker 2: was very exclusive, exclusive, I was very focused. I went
Speaker 2: through the the echelon of this and then I thought,
Speaker 2: you know what, I think I am just going to
Speaker 2: be a jill of all trades with this and just
Speaker 2: see where the you know, the sparks fly.
Speaker 1: If you will, and you and today now with everything
Speaker 1: look what I'm doing. You can start your own podcast
Speaker 1: if you want to. You have the equipment for it.
Speaker 2: Funny you mentioned that. The only reason why I haven't
Speaker 2: put this as something that I want you to flag,
Speaker 2: although we can put this in the link anyway. I
Speaker 2: am starting a podcast where I'm interviewing. I just haven't
Speaker 2: had enough episodes edited that I want to like launch
Speaker 2: it yet. You know how it is, you need to
Speaker 2: have some cashed. Okay, so a new link on the beacon.
Speaker 2: We're just and I add a new one on there. No,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have start deleting some I'm gonna have to start.
Speaker 2: I'll be cleaned up before this episode releases, I promise.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I did a week to week
Speaker 1: with my friend through the pandemic. We did two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty straight weeks, just a comedy show, straight comedy show.
Speaker 1: I went to school for radio. The world we're living
Speaker 1: in now, you can just create anything you want. And
Speaker 1: I think the people in power, especially in the adult industry,
Speaker 1: really know that now and they'll take their percentages in
Speaker 1: this and that. But with AI becoming much more accessible,
Speaker 1: you'll be able to build your own website much easier.
Speaker 1: And you know every that the power is slipping away,
Speaker 1: it really is. And I think that's a great thing
Speaker 1: for performers. I really do.
Speaker 2: For anybody that has their gripes with OnlyFans. I hear
Speaker 2: you because I do too, sure, especially just as a
Speaker 2: as a company itself, there's some weird stuff going on
Speaker 2: because you know, again, tell me a company that big
Speaker 2: that doesn't have some corruption. But anyway, but what it
Speaker 2: did culturally, and again people can talk about the cultural
Speaker 2: ramifications and why it's contributed in the mail loneliness epidemic
Speaker 2: and et cetera, but that aside what it has done
Speaker 2: to sort of flush out that exploitative aspect of the
Speaker 2: adult industry that was preying on young women. Not just
Speaker 2: because young women were they're at their peak at eighteen.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 2: First of all, I don't believe that anyways. But secondly,
Speaker 2: it isn't they can claim all day long that it's
Speaker 2: because eighteen year olds are at their peak. It is
Speaker 2: because they are the most naive. And now there's this, like,
Speaker 2: like you said, there's this culture shift because people can
Speaker 2: create on their own. They've got their own megaphone, they've
Speaker 2: got their own broadcasting system that's accessible, and you know,
Speaker 2: whether you're using only fans or not only fans, itself
Speaker 2: changed the cultural conversation around this, and because yeah, there
Speaker 2: was other places that we're doing subscription based you know,
Speaker 2: content sales, and there was other things before only fans,
Speaker 2: but the only fans generational shift, the cultural shift has
Speaker 2: made it so that, yeah, a lot of these porn
Speaker 2: producers are on notice. And that doesn't mean that all
Speaker 2: porn producers are terrible and that you know, porn will
Speaker 2: cease to exist. Obviously, it'll still be around, but it's
Speaker 2: changed because I get I get solicited for you know,
Speaker 2: certain contracts and the difference, and I'm not really into
Speaker 2: the typical porn industry, so I don't usually take any
Speaker 2: of that. But there's been some collabse that I've humored
Speaker 2: for like only fans, that I'm like, yeah, collaboration's great,
Speaker 2: but the tone over the last few years has changed dramatically.
Speaker 1: When they talk to me, let me let me rephrase
Speaker 1: something you said. Though you said it's flushed out a
Speaker 1: lot of these people. I think it's flushed them laterally, though,
Speaker 1: I think, now you have let me manage your only fans.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, see that they don't they're cockroaches. They
Speaker 1: don't go well, they just moved. Yeah yeah, and do
Speaker 1: you just look some of them though I've worked I
Speaker 1: work with like PR agents, and the PR agents aren't
Speaker 1: the same as like your booking agent and this and that.
Speaker 1: They I have people I would recommend to anyone because
Speaker 1: I know the work they do. I know the work
Speaker 1: they've done for me behind the scenes. I've never hired
Speaker 1: them or anything like that. So there are good people.
Speaker 1: You just you really have to suss out who it is.
Speaker 1: And that's much easier at twenty nine than it is
Speaker 1: at eighteen. So I totally get that. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this. I normally end on this question because I
Speaker 1: ask all the mainstream girls. I asked the newer performers
Speaker 1: coming into it, and there's no judgment on this from me.
Speaker 1: What should be the age a girl can get into
Speaker 1: the adult entertainment industry? Because there's varying views and surprising
Speaker 1: ones from girls who like got into this at eighteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I here's the deal. Like this is where it
Speaker 2: gets really sticky about like a one size fits all
Speaker 2: equation In some ways, I almost feel like there needs
Speaker 2: to be like a means test, even though I'm like
Speaker 2: so against means testing and other regards in the world,
Speaker 2: but they're to me. And by that I don't mean, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I think people are asking themselves the wrong questions. So,
Speaker 2: for instance, I did this episode of Million Years Ago
Speaker 2: a guest for another thing, and they asked a similar
Speaker 2: question about you know, like do but it was their
Speaker 2: question was do you think someday you're going to regret OnlyFans?
Speaker 2: And I was like, if you if you were on
Speaker 2: the fence about that at all, you know, yeah. And
Speaker 2: so there's certain questions that I think you need to
Speaker 2: ask yourself. And it isn't necessarily age dependent, because I
Speaker 2: think that there's people in their thirties that could you know,
Speaker 2: not be too, that are so naive about this still
Speaker 2: that even though they're in their thirties, it's they'd still
Speaker 2: regret things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're you're spot on. And most of the
Speaker 1: performers I talked to say that too, where like I'm
Speaker 1: thirty seven, I'm as dumb as they come. Okay, I'd
Speaker 1: get tricked into anything. Uh, And there's eighteen year olds
Speaker 1: I've interviewed who are like, yeah, so I have my
Speaker 1: retirement set up. I'm like, get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: So I totally get that what we kind of came
Speaker 1: to a consensus on what might be. And you also
Speaker 1: don't want to take work away. A girl runs away
Speaker 1: from her family at sixteen, lives on the street for
Speaker 1: two years, she's old enough to work on only fans
Speaker 1: or something like that. You don't want to take that away.
Speaker 1: I totally get that. And that's better than like working
Speaker 1: the street or being taken advantage of one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: But for every one of those, I can also throw
Speaker 1: at you the eighteen year old girl who paid for
Speaker 1: her own plane ticket to fly across the country and
Speaker 1: stood outside of the hotel room and called the producer
Speaker 1: and said, hey, I'm ready for this, and they never
Speaker 1: picked up the phone, or even worse, it could be worse, right, absolutely,
Speaker 1: one idea I came to with a bunch of big
Speaker 1: name performers was maybe we just do solo and softcore
Speaker 1: till twenty one.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not I don't think that's a bad idea
Speaker 2: at all. I might even say, you know, depending it's
Speaker 2: like there's a range of twenty one to twenty five,
Speaker 2: because I know that there's a lot of people that
Speaker 2: get very controversial about like twenty five is when your
Speaker 2: frontal lobe is whatever, blah blah blah. And I know
Speaker 2: that there's some people like, ugh, but you're an adult.
Speaker 2: Why are you, like you said, taking opportunities away from people?
Speaker 2: And then there's those people that are like me, which
Speaker 2: I don't. I I see it, and I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Take me back to when I was, you know, pre
Speaker 2: twenty five. So now, no, I'm not twenty five, y'all,
Speaker 2: but pre twenty five, and I would have been absolutely
Speaker 2: as disgusted. On the other hand, there's certain things, and
Speaker 2: I'm not just talking about the adult industry. I'm just
Speaker 2: talking about like life that I wish somebody would have
Speaker 2: like shook me before I went and made what I
Speaker 2: thought was the you know, I was arrogant about it.
Speaker 2: I was so convinced, and now I look back and
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I wish that there was
Speaker 2: somebody who stopped me. So again, I don't think there
Speaker 2: needs to be I'm not a big like there needs
Speaker 2: to be hard laws about stuff. Sure, Anyways, when it
Speaker 2: comes to, you know, those sorts of very philosophical questions.
Speaker 2: I mean, there should be hard laws about like children
Speaker 2: versus adults, obviously, but like when it comes to the
Speaker 2: range of adults and stuff like, I'm like, oh boy,
Speaker 2: that gets really, really fraught. But I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I think solo and softcore, that's a.
Speaker 1: Really interesting understand what it's like putting your body out
Speaker 1: there and we actually get from it, and.
Speaker 2: Man, he here's your adult industry internship.
Speaker 1: You know exactly.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think that's a horrible idea.
Speaker 1: Actually, all the guys who have eighteen on their category
Speaker 1: searches are fucking planning to kill me right now. I
Speaker 1: had such a good joke. I couldn't say it because
Speaker 1: it was so rude, and I was like, no, this
Speaker 1: is the show where you're a nice guy. When you
Speaker 1: were like, maybe they wait till they're twenty five, I
Speaker 1: was gonna just blurt out, yeah, but they're all used
Speaker 1: up by then.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean you're channeling, you're channeling that
Speaker 2: that's a person, So I hear you.
Speaker 1: I have to keep the monster in me suppressed so
Speaker 1: I can talk the nice, pretty girls about their only
Speaker 1: fanis who wants.
Speaker 2: That expired female mills are making a comeback, y'all?
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, a nice twenty four year old milf exactly.
Speaker 1: I agree. All right, Before they kill me on this,
Speaker 1: let me talk about some of your content. If I
Speaker 1: go and sign up for your Only Fans again at
Speaker 1: Dear d A or Phone f A w N. If
Speaker 1: I go to sign I'm for your Only Fans? What
Speaker 1: kind of content am I seeing? Is it daily snapshot
Speaker 1: of your life? Is it a produced video X amount
Speaker 1: of times a month?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 1: What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so most of my feed is just like if
Speaker 2: you're just subscribing, most of my feed is just like
Speaker 2: you know, some topless coseplay, the occasional like I'm out
Speaker 2: at a concert kind of video like you know, not
Speaker 2: not not like a daily like get ready with me,
Speaker 2: that's for sure, But uh, I got too much chaos
Speaker 2: in my in the rest of my day to be
Speaker 2: you know anyway, which I'm sure some people would be
Speaker 2: interested in, but usually my phone is so anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's usually like topless cosplay and you know, some gaining
Speaker 2: some you know, occasionally I'll do like a funny real
Speaker 2: that I you know, will then uh sort of make
Speaker 2: the slightly more adull version of so. But what I
Speaker 2: do you know more custom for people is I then
Speaker 2: I can get a little more freaky. And I'm I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say a master of role play, but I'm good
Speaker 2: with role plays. I'm I am not afraid of acting.
Speaker 2: I am not. I was a theater person before all this.
Speaker 1: That's the end.
Speaker 2: And if you will, so there's role plays, roleplays, especially
Speaker 2: in coseplays. If you know, people request that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm sort of not squeamish about most sex. Again,
Speaker 2: as long as it's safe, sane, and consensual. And then
Speaker 2: as far as role plays are concerned, you know, the
Speaker 2: only thing that I won't do because I'm just so
Speaker 2: against speaking of this, I just don't do things like
Speaker 2: age play and all that kind of you know, so
Speaker 2: the weirder stuff that then contributes to this culture of
Speaker 2: twenty five year olds being used up, so.
Speaker 1: That the age play that I saw a video you
Speaker 1: had on your Twitter where someone said like call me
Speaker 1: daddy or something like that, and you were like, hold
Speaker 1: the fuck on. So you're not into that, right, that's
Speaker 1: not at all.
Speaker 2: Furious that it has been normalized to call people me
Speaker 2: and daddy. I'm like, do not please God, But I
Speaker 2: think we're into it, not trying to yuck everybody's youm
Speaker 2: but I hate it.
Speaker 1: No, it's not necessarily my thing either. And I ask
Speaker 1: all the performers. I go like, do you want that
Speaker 1: to go away? Like that trend? Would we like it
Speaker 1: to move along? A lot of them are just like,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's acting. I don't care, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Not my thing, not my thing, but hey, it's legal.
Speaker 1: You had what was the one you said saying something
Speaker 1: and something.
Speaker 2: Pain safe and consensual.
Speaker 1: See I used to normally just say sack shit animals
Speaker 1: and kids. I'm just just keep that out in general
Speaker 1: and I'll accept, Hey, that's great, sure, do whatever you liked.
Speaker 2: I used to say that too, but I've been working
Speaker 2: in this industry long enough that now I realize, oh
Speaker 2: wait a second, there are nuances here that I was
Speaker 2: not detecting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's all in the nuance. It seems like,
Speaker 1: all right, let me hit some of my these sexual
Speaker 1: questions on here, because we've been having such a great
Speaker 1: conversation lately. Do you have a favorite sexual position?
Speaker 2: You know this is going to sound maybe surprising or
Speaker 2: unsurprising coming from somebody who grew up with Mormons around.
Speaker 2: But I think that missionary is like overlooked a lot
Speaker 2: in like thinking it's not you can add some pazaz
Speaker 2: to it depending on how you elevate your you know,
Speaker 2: pelvis and you know which hole you're using. I mean
Speaker 2: missionary anal. Guys, it's it's not a bad it's not
Speaker 2: a bad deal. So just saying that that missionary is
Speaker 2: oftentimes overlooked perfect.
Speaker 1: What's your least favorite? Is there a sexual position where
Speaker 1: your partner will come to you and go, hey, let's
Speaker 1: do this, and you go, ugh, all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, reverse cow girl one thousand percent. Don't do it
Speaker 2: to me. I don't want to look at your toes
Speaker 2: while I'm getting my squats in. I'm just it's yeah,
Speaker 2: over that does nothing for me.
Speaker 1: Overwhelming answer for least favorite from mainstream established stars except
Speaker 1: my favorite performer she looks just like my wife, goth Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Charlotte start her favorite position, reverse cowgirl. I go, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just you just hate everything about yourself, so you're.
Speaker 2: Exactly see listen. I get it from a producer, like
Speaker 2: from like the cameraman's perspective because you're seeing the girl's
Speaker 2: face while like the angle, Like the angle is good
Speaker 2: for film, but performing it sucks.
Speaker 1: So there's so many positions. I look at and I go, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw that out to Jen. Jen's my wife.
Speaker 1: I'm gotta throw that out. And then I look at
Speaker 1: it and go, my dick is not big enough for that,
Speaker 1: Like what was I thinking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dick.
Speaker 3: Geometry is just not gonna work here. It's just not
Speaker 3: Our bodies aren't shipped like this. I'm sorry, it's not
Speaker 3: gonna happen, and I'm sorry, but like listen, I'm I
Speaker 3: keep fit. I've got my elliptical over here off screen, Like,
Speaker 3: I do my best to keep as strong as I
Speaker 3: possibly can.
Speaker 2: But some of this, I'm like, I don't need to
Speaker 2: be a bodybuilder to be able to execute this because
Speaker 2: some of this, like upper body strength and lower body
Speaker 2: strength that's you know, required for reverse cowgirls. Ooh, it's
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 1: It's too much too.
Speaker 2: There's why I'm on Stripper, Like I said, besides the
Speaker 2: fact that I have to see people in person, there's
Speaker 2: also I'm just not that athletic, you know what.
Speaker 1: You would look like on stage with high heels, on
Speaker 1: real high heels, trying to move and dance around, almost
Speaker 1: like a like a deer or a fawn, you know,
Speaker 1: is what you would kind of look like. I don't know,
Speaker 1: just throwing that out sicely. You're getting it now, I understand.
Speaker 1: I understand the personality. I didn't know where to start,
Speaker 1: but I think I found out where we're going to
Speaker 1: end up. And that's the only fans which we'll plug
Speaker 1: at the end real quick, you said, Anal missionaries not bad.
Speaker 1: So I assume our current working relationship with Anamal is
Speaker 1: okay and acceptable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, also understand. I totally understand why there are people,
Speaker 2: especially ladies, that are you know, wary of that because
Speaker 2: oftentimes it is used as a cudgel for you know, suffering,
Speaker 2: and but done correctly and safely, sanely, consensually. There's there's
Speaker 2: a there's a lot to that that, you know, especially
Speaker 2: as like cream pies make a big comeback. Now, my
Speaker 2: partner is the sectimized, thank you, thank you, thank you
Speaker 2: so much. But but as cream pies come back, I'm like, listen.
Speaker 2: The other good thing about Anal's the pregnancy scare is a.
Speaker 1: Lot less, so you should start a podcast because literally
Speaker 1: my next question is, can you please rank these three
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, uh again depending on who it is. Now,
Speaker 2: if if he's got of a sectomy, creampies are great,
Speaker 2: that's wonderful, but uh, if not, then it's going to
Speaker 2: be Probably It's hard to say because there's a little
Speaker 2: bit more clean up with the facial and I actually
Speaker 2: sort of I'm sort of into come, So I'm going
Speaker 2: to go swallowing facial cream pie unless he's got a eseectomy,
Speaker 2: and then that cream pie goes number one?
Speaker 1: Is that because of the easy cleanup?
Speaker 2: Yes? Well, and I like come, but yes, easy cleanup
Speaker 2: as well. It's a two for one.
Speaker 1: Fair enough? Fair enough? How okay? You are the what
Speaker 1: were you the queen of you were saying was it cosplay?
Speaker 1: Was it role play? Queen of role play?
Speaker 2: Okay, and again, don't callte me on that too much
Speaker 2: because otherwise I'm gonna get way too many requests for
Speaker 2: really weird.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: No, you're the queen of role play. I have the
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Speaker 1: on the record. Okay, this is record now, how important
Speaker 1: is dirty talk to you? And how good are you
Speaker 1: at it?
Speaker 2: So, considering that I'm good at roleplay, like just all
Speaker 2: the cuf random dirty talk not great because because I
Speaker 2: don't know, like I maybe the role play. The reason
Speaker 2: why I like it is because it gives context and
Speaker 2: so then I can get into character. But if somebody
Speaker 2: was just like in bed with me and just like
Speaker 2: trying to get me to just start randomly saying stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, dirty talk, I'm gonna I'm gonna probably be
Speaker 2: really awkward and embarrassing. So for me, the requirement of
Speaker 2: dirty talk I better not be required. Otherwise we're gonna
Speaker 2: have well, we'll have a laugh, but it won't be
Speaker 2: it won't be horny. But others talking to me, like
Speaker 2: especially in like just my personal life, Oh I do
Speaker 2: like somebody who knows what they're they're they're saying there
Speaker 2: is something there's something good about dirty talk. The other direction, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, my wife, same thing. She doesn't she's
Speaker 1: in the moment. You can't really throw it at her.
Speaker 1: You have to almost like walk her through it, like
Speaker 1: what if I said this, what would your response to
Speaker 1: that be? But then at that point it's like I'm
Speaker 1: just teaching like a ASL class. I think no EESL.
Speaker 1: I used to be an SL teacher, so I hear it.
Speaker 1: I took sign language in college. These aren't anything. These
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: Let's see, do you have an opinion on number of
Speaker 1: performers that makes a gang bang? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I think it has to be more than three,
Speaker 2: because there's three. I don't know. This is just I'm
Speaker 2: saying this off the cuff because but usually I just
Speaker 2: see three. I want to say just three. It's not
Speaker 2: like that's nothing, but that that that seems like I'd
Speaker 2: still call it a foursome. After that, then we can
Speaker 2: maybe start calling it.
Speaker 1: A gang bang. One hundred percent agree, one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 1: I think minimum four guys. I've been told minimum five,
Speaker 1: one for each hand as well, but oh.
Speaker 2: Good good calling out three holes two hands, I can
Speaker 2: get behind that.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I would say four and up,
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Speaker 2: See, I think I have spoken to people that have
Speaker 2: the what seems like the right opportunity is truly and
Speaker 2: I do think it has to do with Unfortunately I
Speaker 2: have some just personal hard lines, like I'm I take
Speaker 2: my hormones very seriously and so like birth control and
Speaker 2: Plan B and all and and nor do I want
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