Speaker 1: You're watching brand new Faces. I'm your host, Matt, and
I'm joined tonight by a very special guest. You can
find her on Twitter at the dear phon on only
fans at deer Phon and I want to send you
over somewhere. We don't normally send guests or audience members
from guests twitch at deer x Fahn my guest today,
as if you didn't guess it from the user names
on everything else, dear Phon, deer Fawn, how are you today?
I am doing excellent. How are you good? I just
want to call you phone so badly, though.
Speaker 2: Faun is actually fine because again the name is just
just for people not realizing I'm just listening. It's de
a R Faun. But fun is a baby de e
r So I was just being punny, but that you
can just call me fon.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, I am dumb because I did not even
pick up on. I mean, like, I know the word deer.
I'm aware of the word deer and the plurals and
everything else of it. D e A R Fawn Twitter,
the deer Fawn OnlyFans at deer Fawn Twitch. Dear x
Fawn links to everything in the episode description as always.
Bare minimum you can do for these folks, these creators
is at least follow them on the free sites. Bare minimum.
Next step payday rolls around, you go, oh, does my
kid need lunch next week? No, you need a subscription
only fans, Dear faun, I'm gonna start with the third
rudest question you can ask, and feel free to lie
about it if you like. Okay, you're more than welcome
to The first rude is question that I've seen asked
to a woman in real life, and the other day
I presented it like that and a performer answered the
first two questions, not looking for the first two answers here.
The first rudest question I've ever seen someone ask someone
a woman was are you pregnant? And that was terrible.
The next rudius question you could probably ask somebody is
how much do you weigh? Terribly rude, specifically for me
and certain women. The third rude is question, can I
ask how old you are?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: I have answers locked and loaded here because I get
asked this question often. Obviously, I always tell people that
I am eternal but not maternal, so don't call me
mommy unless you want me to fuck your dad.
Speaker 1: There you go. That's a fair answer. I'll accept you
let me all right. I don't know how old you are, eternal,
so maybe you remember like nineties two thousand, rap at All.
I used to listen to it and they would talk
about and I'd be like thirty six twenty foot and
I was like, yeah, that girl's thick. I don't know
what the fuck that means, though, So I've created my
own measurements on this show, and I'm hoping maybe you
could help me answer them. Can I ask what your
height is? Yes, I'm five point seven, okay. Can I
ask what your cup size on your lovely breasts are? Oh?
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. They are somewhere between double and
triple D, which I think is E at that point.
Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know how American letters work necessarily, so
that's fine. I'm just kidding. I am American. And let
me last last measurement for my foot guys out there,
not necessarily my thing, but we represent everybody who's not
a total creep. What is your shoe size?
Speaker 2: Yes, we got to support visibility for our book. Guys.
My shoe size in the US is eight and a half.
I don't know what that translates everywhere else, but it
is eight and a half?
Speaker 1: Okay, wonderful? Is that that's what I've been getting a
lot lately? Is that about average for a woman? I
think my wife's an eight or an eight and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very very average. Okay, okay, fair it means
that all of my favorite shoes are always out of stock.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. My cousin, we're sixteen growing up, so he
always had his pick when they actually made him that big.
Speaker 2: True. I was gonna say, interesting, since they make them
that big.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Take me through how you get
from wherever you were previous to coming into this industry
to coming into this industry, and what form you see
yourself taking in this industry. So walk me through when
you go, my life is vanilla, fucking I ain't doing
this anymore, and we take the jump.
Speaker 2: You know. So my life has never been really all
that ordinary. I grew up in well half of my life.
I grew up in this very Mormon town. I am
not Mormon, obviously, and or maybe that isn't obvious. I
don't know. I don't know many Mormons doing this, but
who knows. But I did. It was a tiny like
way off the grid, not in Utah though, so don't
go looking for it. But anyway, so yeah, I I
sort of grew up pretty naive about stuff. And I
remember one of my first boyfriends had so this might
start telling people my age. He had a bunch of
like suicide girls sets on his computer and at the time,
you know, I listened to you know, this also might
tell people my I listened to a lot of like,
you know, the the old school emo music, and so
I was kind of alternative in my heart, but I wasn't.
I didn't like show it outward because I was pretty naive.
So I see these suicide girls and I was like,
what is this? And I kind of actually freaked out
at the time because I thought, you know, since I
was I had ginger hair, and I was very like
preppy at the time, you know, I was the kind
of gal that wore the like popped collared you know,
like shirts. Again, this is all given my age way,
but I like to be mysterious about that. But anyway,
so I was kind of frightened actually about some of
these girls because they were covered in tattoos. For anybody
who can't see I have some tattoos. I've got some tattoos,
you know, south of the border, and I've I've got
purple hair now, and you know, I've moved into my
alternative persona. But at the time I was, I was frightened,
I was intrigued. I was like, is this what I'm
supposed to look like? You know, et cetera. And as
I but you know, again, like I say, I was
going to a lot of these like alternative events, shows, concerts,
et cetera, and so I started to like really look
towards that you know, taboo lifestyle, and I really wanted
to be one of these suicide girls. Now, I never
became a suicide girl just for you know, reasons of
like the how they do business. But I really always
wanted to do like something erotic. And at first it
started kind of as a as a side quest, if
you will. Like I did a few nude shoots, mainly
artistic nude shoots, and I had a lot of body dysmorphia.
And I remember the first time I did you know,
these nude shoots, I like finally saw myself and there
was something like about that distance between like the mirror
and these photos that I was like, wait a second,
this is not how I thought I looked. So I
remember thinking, gosh, like maybe I'm prettier than I thought.
I don't know, like it was healing something mentally for me.
And then I started getting into because I never wanted
mostly because I'm clumsy, and I also don't want there
to be like direct interaction with clients. I didn't want
to do like stripping. I can't wear the heels, sorry, everybody,
like I just and again, I didn't want people to
be in my hometown or like no, not because like
I don't mind, I don't mind people knowing that I
do adult work. I just don't want to be so
close to it in my community. So I was like,
well what about webcaming and and so I started there
and then eventually moved into content creation. As you know,
things like OnlyFans really took off.
Speaker 1: Okay, what was it? So you threw a lot out there?
Let me ask. First off, my first concert I ever
went to in eighth grade was Blink one eighty two
and Green Day, So we're probably we're probably in a range,
perhaps you think, yes, okay, fair enough, Yeah, my.
Speaker 2: First concert was not anything like that. It was this
is gonna make me sound a hundred, but it was
definitely not like of my era. But my very first
concert was the Moody.
Speaker 1: Blue Okay, all right, they're gonna say like Hall of
Notes or something. Even narrow it down a little more.
Go oh, she's a Philly Mormon. Okay, it makes sense, right, No, yeah,
Well we were all excited by Avril Levine when I
was younger, so I get I was. I was fully
in with what you're talking about. The punk crowd, the crowd,
escape crowd. It was all kind of meshed together. There
was some goth in there too, grown.
Speaker 2: Up and I identify more on the goth side of
things these days. But I started in that genre that
you're talking about for sure.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you. And here's the thing. I
was going through Catholic school while all of this came up,
and it was such a great like outlet, like a release,
like a rebellion. Hey, this is what it so is
that what you got it from. You grew up in
a small Mormon community. You might have pointed out, and
you did point out. You might have pointed out, you
pointed that.
Speaker 2: Maybe it happened, it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's just all the interviews I do, it
either starts one of two. It's always like I grew
up in this small community and it was either I
needed to rebel and push out or I was closeted
for so long that someone opened my eyes to rebel
and push out, getting me into this industry. What do
you think yours was a little closer to if you
could say.
Speaker 2: I do think it's it's more of the like initial rebellion.
It's funny to me though, because I also I started
so even though like I wanted to rebel since I
was a child, I I started in the industry really
slowly and it's always been on my own terms, which
I'm very thankful for, because I did want the rebellion
when I was a teenager, but I was able to
I don't know if it was just a stroke of
luck on things, but I was able to really craft
my own path instead of being like hoovered up by
you know, predatory you know, porn producers or whatever, like
you know, doing the barely legal thing. I never I
never got into that level of the adult industry, even
though I desperately wanted to rebel and I was actually
quite naive about my rebellion. So I think that there
were like very lucky moments in my journey with this.
Speaker 1: Sure, So were you always like, what's the term sexually ambitious?
Or was that something that got turned on by again
the alt lifestyle of this and that you saw. I mean,
it sounds like you got turned on by it by
the Burning Angels type girls, right or.
Speaker 4: Su as I grow sorry, sorry, I Burning Angels. Oh
my gosh, a real broback, Holy Moly, eighth grade. I
almost had my first sexual encounter with a girl. She
was very interested in doing it with me. I was
dating another girl at the time.
Speaker 1: She sucked. She went on to become a Burning Angel
and broke breaks my heart every time talking about it.
I love Joanna Angel. Shout out to you, Michael. I
terrified her at Exotica three years ago. I walked up
with my card and there was some distraction, so her
security turned. I didn't do it because her security turned.
I just I just was. It was in motion and
I walk up and I go, Hi, how you doing
joying it? I just wanted to give you my card
and she looked at me like, get this fucking sasquatch away.
From me. Someone please get this thing away. She is
so tiny in real life. I'm sure she's tiny, but
she's mighty. So yeah, much, very much so. The first
thing you did was was streaming then chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, yeah, it was you know, the typical adult cams.
I can't even remember the first one that I signed
up for. I do remember my first experience on it, though,
and I was like wow. And I'll get into that
in a second, but I think the novelty because I
am pretty To answer your initial question, I am pretty
sexually ambitious, if you will. Like, I've always felt a
little bit more on the fringe. And I don't mean
that in like I've got some crazy kings, although you know,
I've got some kinks and stuff, but it's more like
I don't I don't find sex itself as much of
a taboo, which is crazy coming from, you know, a
religious town and background and whatnot. Even though again, like
I say, my parents weren't explicitly Mormon or anything, but
it was just all around me in the culture. It's
weird for me. I just intellectually, I've never thought of
sex as big of a deal as as like, cause
it was one of those things where, you know, I
was just like, I'm still not understanding, like what about
this old book and Jesus that you know this guy
nobody's ever met, Like I don't what are we talking
about here? And I'm not trying to be you know,
shitty to people that have faith. I'm just saying, like,
logically speaking, sex never felt so out of line to me,
as long as it's safe saying consensual, you know, all
those sorts of things. You know, sex can be used
as a weapon, but and and there are shameful aspects
of things within that world, but just consensual, the act
of sex never felt weird to me. So I think
that's another reason why this always kind of it didn't
I again, I just logically couldn't figure out what was
so taboo even about and so like, even though I'm
not exactly an exhibitionist, what I was just going on
about about like coming to terms with my body and
feeling because like most teenage girls and then into my
you know, twenties and such, I don't I don't have
like a very clear idea of what I really actually
look like, even though the mirrors right there, like the
mirror lie, the mirror lies to those with body dysmorphia,
and so there was just something about the camera and
there was something about the audience that really gave me
a new perspective about both what my body really was
presenting and you know, what I thought sex really was,
and in a healthy way.
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, Sure, so when you jumped into camming and
you said you didn't even remember the site necessarily right
off the bat, did they did? Okay? What always fascinates
me is the new girl bump where they hit a
tag for new or whatever it is. Yes, and the
first few days, you guys have four thousand people who
are just oh my god, dear fon, she's so high.
Blah blah blah blah. Did you eventually have the leveling out?
And what does that feel like for like your psyche
or your ego? Because again you're coming into this going
like my body person, you're in your head, You're like,
I don't know about my body. I'm looking and I go,
I mean I would give limbs to be with a
person like you. But did you have any kind of
leveling off? Where did it slow down? And you had
to reconsider any of that and then try moving into
different avenues or different streams or whatever.
Speaker 2: It is definitely And I will say, so, you know,
there is this misconception about, you know, this industry, especially
for those that you know, kind of are on the
outside looking in, assuming what the industry is like. So
you do get those bumps, but those bumps don't usually
even like translate into much money. It's it's it's more
like a validation thing, and you know, like it's not
it isn't it doesn't translate into money. And so it
isn't just about showing your tits that like, because I
do think that there's this idea that like, but if
I'm just willing to show my tits and be sexual
on camera, then that's that's the hurdle that we're getting over,
is the willingness to do this. And I'm like, no,
it's a lot of hard work, even if there's a
lot of eyeballs on you. And there's something that I
realized with that slump that happened was that actually, in
some ways I kind of enjoyed that the noise was gone,
and then there was like some more like what's the
word I'm looking for? Serious? You were like my fandom
narrowed down to who really wanted to be there.
Speaker 1: Your your audience concentrated, it was no longer there the
water and the mist and the vapor around it. Because
you're right, five thousand people come in your room that
first day, and like forty nine hundred and seventy five
have never spent a token on that shit, right, And.
Speaker 2: In fact, most of them are trying to, like, you know,
get you onto telegrams so they can stam you whatever.
They're trying to get freebies. They like have the the
the scams where they literally copy and past something and
it looks like they're tipping you in your room.
Speaker 1: Like now. Now, I don't want to get political, but
folks out there, if you have a political candidate who
wants to publicly execute online scammers, I will in fact
vote for you, Okay, I yes, I anyone who goes
into a chat room where a new girl is presenting
her body and saying please, you know, engage with me,
and you go, hmmm, I'd like to scam the shit
out of that girl. Times Square anyway, agreed endorse Okay,
fair enough. We rarely make political endorsements on the show,
but I had to lay that one out there, so
tell me, Okay, So here's the other thing we pitched
twitch at the beginning. Again, that is, dear dear x fawn,
what are you trying to move into now? Because again
and links in the as a description, as always, I
have your beacons up here, you have a link to everything.
It looks like it looks it looks like you're putting
your hands in everything.
Speaker 2: It kind of does, and I will I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
especially for the fellow creators out there, I'm going to
put out some tips here because there's a few things
I've discovered. I would not be streaming individually to every
single one of the cam sites that you see on
my beacons if it weren't for it. There's a it's
it's called Shine Browser. I'm not I'm not affiliated. I
don't get any money for this, but it's called Shine Browser,
and it like aggregates. And the problem is you can
in obs or whatever you use, you can get like
multi streaming plugins. The problem is is it draws directly
and I know I'm gonna get really techy, it draws
directly from your CPU, and so most computers can't handle it,
and so most people don't multi stream. Whereas this browser
does it from you know, their servers, so it doesn't
take any strain off of your computer, and it has
all of your chatters, all of your viewers in one window,
so I can just see and it shows exactly where
they're coming from. And then if you ever go private,
then it shuts down whatever other sites you're on, says
that you're in a private show on all of those sites.
And so I just kind of like because different sites
have different audiences, you know, there's some that cater more
to Europe, there's some that cater more to the US,
there's some that cater more towards you know, certain things.
And so that's why I have it looks like I'm
on a lot of things, but I'm actually just kind
of multi streaming, you know, where I'm allowed. Obviously, there
are some places that won't allow it, but there's plenty
of sites that say, yeah, absolutely, go for it, friend,
and so then I do.
Speaker 1: Well, my first piece of advice is go out and
get yourself an affiliate link to whoever you were talking
about right there, and I'll put it in. I'm sure
you could just go apply for it, but here's what
I would say. I totally understand what you're saying out
between the cams and this and that, but you also
it seems like you also touch your feet into other stuff,
not just that genre. It's not just cam or maybe
it is. Tell me what your room's like, because you're
also on twitch Joystick. The only one I've ever and
only person I've ever talked to that was on Joystick
was Violet Myers, and that was a combination of sheil
pause Joystick TV. What exactly is Joystick TV?
Speaker 2: So it it sort of it presents itself like it's
the sexy Twitch. Okay, so it's supposed to be for gamers,
cause players, you know, nerds, but you know that get
freaky after dark.
Speaker 1: So okay, okay, so is it? Yeah, that's what it
felt like to me. It felt like if I go
from your Chatterbait or your myfree cams and then I
still want to see the nudity, but like I'm into
your life and like what you play or what you design, Yeah,
your costumes and this and that. I'll go to the
Joystick and it's like, oh, I'm all gooned out for
the day. I'll just have a to her Twitch now
and see what she's doing. Is that kind of the progression.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and again I don't want to
get to like two in the weeds business oriented here,
But the thing is is that a lot of especially
if you're doing things that are like content creation related,
which is where a lot of people want to focus
their energy into OnlyFans and whatnot, you do need to
create an audience somewhere, and oftentimes and usually there has
to be that audience that isn't already. So if you
try to create an OnlyFans audience through chatterbait, they're already
on chatterbait. They're like, my tokens are here, why can't
you get naked here? And so whereas Twitch and you know,
the ones that are more safe for work, then you're
going to have those people that are like, well she
can't show her tits on Twitch, Well, there's the only fans.
So there's kind of a funnel that happens there. On
the other hand, also Twitch, you can you know, obviously
get paid with subscriptions just for people wanting to watch
you and your personality and you know, playing games and
all that kind of stuff, which I appreciate as well.
So there's there's sort of that like multi purpose with twitch.
That is like, if I don't always just want to
be tits first, then and don't get me wrong, I
don't mind being tits first a lot of my life.
But if you want to do things like you know,
I play games, I like, you know, there's there's other
things that you know, if I want to get cozy
in place in Boulder's Gate, then I you know, I
can do that and I can sort of like cultivate
an audience there. Sure, yeah, And I think that there's
something about that. Uh, what's that diversity? That diversifying of
how I'm out there? Because again I understand why there's
some people that don't want to be known for their
adult work. I don't mind it, which is why I'm here. Obviously,
I don't mind being known for that, and so I
don't mind kind of crossing genres if you will.
Speaker 1: Right, So is that what is your twitch? So okay,
stop saying so first off, idiot, that's me. I go
in your Twitter. I'm scrolling through and I was looking
for pictures. I was like, I'll find something for the
social media, and I go, okay, here she is, Princess Peach.
It looks like it was this person. Are you a
cos player or are you a video game player? On Twitch?
And is there a difference not between those two between
the audience you bring in with those.
Speaker 2: Sure, I hear what you're saying. Yeah, there's a lot
of overlap, Like the Benn diagram is pretty pretty almost
two circles on top of each other. But that but
you know, I there's a you know, it's a variety
streamer as they call them, because I actually started on
Twitch as a when they still had the hot tub streams.
I started as a hot tub streamer and then that
kind of fell out of favor and there was a
lot of really angry, you know, dudes that were furious
about letting hot tub streamers exist. So they kind of
they moved away from that, and then you know, they're
technically is still a category. But you know, most of
the time people are literally just chatting with like a
kiddie pool in the background, because you have to have
a body of water in order to so most of
ule are actually in hot tubs anymore. They're just they're
just doing chatting. And similarly, with like what I do,
I do a lot of like just chatting or sometimes
I'll get into a game category if I'm you know,
feeling like it, but it's it's mainly just chatting. And
you know, oftentimes I'll be in cosplay, not every time, though,
sometimes I'll just be playing games. And again, the audience
is pretty universal.
Speaker 1: There gotcha? So what does the audience want to hear
you chat about? Just your normal life or news that
came out? Do you touch on anything big in the
new now that face.
Speaker 2: I am sure nobody wants to hear me talking about
the news because I'm a Now we will get into
politics two seconds. I'm a dirty card carrying socialist. I
love Donny Anyway, point is is nobody wants to hear
me talk about politics, which but that does kind of weirdly.
I do talk about it sometimes, but in the sort
of like how this is another this is another point
of labor, if you will, Like I, I'm in the
laboring working class, and you know a lot of times people,
uh so I do. I do talk philosophically often. People
know that I'm I'm not just a bimbo. I mean,
I can I can play one on TV, but I'm
mainly you know, I crack some jokes, I talk about philosophy,
I talk about you know, I've got two little sheeta
e news. They come in and play and you know,
I talk about my dogs and that that sort of thing.
So it's kind of just like a peek, a little
peephole into my.
Speaker 1: Life and they like engaging with that. Absolutely writing, that's awesome,
that's incredible. You know you've talked about a little politics there.
I interviewed a girl like two years ago who looks
just spot on, just like AOC. Oh, and and it
got in my head right at that moment. Look, death
threats will go through the roof, obviously, but I think
so would subscriptions too, exactly.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you've got a rage bait again. I mean, it
would be the socialist, but I understand capitalism.
Speaker 1: Baby, I don't even And especially in AOC one, you're
gonna have guys who want to sign up who are like,
fuck this bitch, blah blah blah, I want to see
your ducker. But then the other side is, oh my god,
I love AOC. I want to see it would sell, man,
it really would sell. It would. But again, death threats,
your address, all that bullshit something.
Speaker 2: And you do have to kind of square that. I
do understand. Although there are some things that I hold,
like to the utmost sacred standard of integrity in my life,
and then there's some stuff like that where I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, screw it, let's ever you know, get.
Speaker 2: Really good about, like hire somebody to help you with
like you know, making sure you're not dosed and your
cybersecurity and security security and then letter rip my friend.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's a great marketing. So
that's what I'm asking trying to get to with you here,
What is your brand? Because I love everything I see
of you. But again, the same thing with your beacon,
where I'm like, I don't even know where to start
with her.
Speaker 2: Need to tone it down at some point, even though
I am technically discoverable.
Speaker 1: Not even tone it down. I just I got to
know where where where go is so I can start
working this monopoly board and get to every PCU. That
sounds weird, but you know what I mean by it.
Would you consider yourself primarily a streamer, primarily a cam person,
primarily an only fans creator, or you know, are you
a cosplayer? Like if I wanted to start on the
Deer Fon Journey, where should I begin?
Speaker 2: Yes? You know, I think that is a great question,
and I didn't realize I was. I mean this in
the most respectful way possible. I didn't realize I was
doing a marketing session, but I probably needed. It's probably
some ADHD that has gone like untreated or something for me,
but I I don't really identify. So for instance, you know,
there's there's a few cosplayers that I absolutely love, and
they're out there, you know, literally blacksmithing their shit, and
I'm like, no, I'm like Ali express for most of
the bits and pieces. I can maybe craft a little
thing out of felt, but I'm not a blacksmith. I'm
not like a case player in that sense. So it's
you know, somebody asked me, they were like, do you
do it professionally? And I'm like, I mean, I've made
some money being dressed up as Princess Peach before, but
that was just like an Amazon thing, so so professionally
not probably a cosplayer. As far as like what I
identify with, I mean, I do think it's mainly content
creation as an umbrella, and I don't think that that
needs to be per Again, maybe this is why I
don't have millions of dollars in the bank yet though,
I don't have like a focus that is just like
I am like the gallon my free cams. That is
just that's where I live and breathe. I will say
that some of that might be some I had not
a bad experience. They were great, but I did really
focus on one and I will not say them because
I don't want to, like, you know, besmirch their good
name because they really they were a fine camsite, but
they were extremely exclusive and I made great money, although
their percentage is terrible, but I made great money. They
were very exclusive, and they they did end up finding me.
You know, I rose the ranks, and they were like,
holy moly, it sounds like you're doing a news broadcast
but naked. Every time you're here, we want to hire you.
And this is a big company. This isn't some fly
by night, small little thing. They're like, we want to
move you to LA and make you the host of
our podcast. And I was like, fuck, guess I've arrived.
This is what I want to do. Because again, a
lot of this is just fascinating to me. In general,
I'm chatty. I love talking to other people in this space.
You know, yes, sex is fun, but it's also like
the novelty of it all is just so like fascinating
to me, which is probably why I'm also won one
hundred different things at this point. But I was very
loyal to them, so I went to LA during the pandemic.
I went to LA so stoked to be their podcast host.
And I get there and maybe I should have like
nailed this down a little bit better before I got
out there. But what they were offering me with pay,
especially in LA, and they didn't want me to cam
anymore either. I was going to be focusing on the podcast.
What they were offering me in pay was forty thousand
a year in LA, and I was like, oh, my
sweet baby Jesus, how am I supposed to make this work?
And then they paired me up with a host that
was anti sex work and not because we were going
to have like a you know, cross talk kind of
like debate. They she played like she was into it,
but the reason why they hired her was because she
was a big talk show host already in LA, and
so secretly she was against all of this, And so
her and I did not get along, and they were
going to be paying me nothing, and I was like,
I don't know how to survive in LA on this
like what do you expect me to do? And I
can't cam anymore? And I had to be very exclusive
to their brand and so there was something about that
that I was just like, you know what. So I
didn't end up accepting the offer. I did like two episodes.
Funny not to keep babbling, but funny story is, two
years after I left that position, the person that replaced me,
and they did not know that they had replaced me
as the host of this podcast, contacted me to do
an interview because they saw that I was a streamer
and now they caught this part of me. I was like, sure,
I'll interview with you, and then at the very end
of the interview, I was like, just so you know
I replaced you or you replaced me, rather like what
I had no idea that you were hired for this,
and they caught that out of the interview unfortunately when
they posted it. But still, anyway, my point is I
was very exclusive, exclusive, I was very focused. I went
through the the echelon of this and then I thought,
you know what, I think I am just going to
be a jill of all trades with this and just
see where the you know, the sparks fly.
Speaker 1: If you will, and you and today now with everything
look what I'm doing. You can start your own podcast
if you want to. You have the equipment for it.
Speaker 2: Funny you mentioned that. The only reason why I haven't
put this as something that I want you to flag,
although we can put this in the link anyway. I
am starting a podcast where I'm interviewing. I just haven't
had enough episodes edited that I want to like launch
it yet. You know how it is, you need to
have some cashed. Okay, so a new link on the beacon.
We're just and I add a new one on there. No,
I'm gonna have start deleting some I'm gonna have to start.
I'll be cleaned up before this episode releases, I promise.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I did a week to week
with my friend through the pandemic. We did two hundred
and fifty straight weeks, just a comedy show, straight comedy show.
I went to school for radio. The world we're living
in now, you can just create anything you want. And
I think the people in power, especially in the adult industry,
really know that now and they'll take their percentages in
this and that. But with AI becoming much more accessible,
you'll be able to build your own website much easier.
And you know every that the power is slipping away,
it really is. And I think that's a great thing
for performers. I really do.
Speaker 2: For anybody that has their gripes with OnlyFans. I hear
you because I do too, sure, especially just as a
as a company itself, there's some weird stuff going on
because you know, again, tell me a company that big
that doesn't have some corruption. But anyway, but what it
did culturally, and again people can talk about the cultural
ramifications and why it's contributed in the mail loneliness epidemic
and et cetera, but that aside what it has done
to sort of flush out that exploitative aspect of the
adult industry that was preying on young women. Not just
because young women were they're at their peak at eighteen.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 2: First of all, I don't believe that anyways. But secondly,
it isn't they can claim all day long that it's
because eighteen year olds are at their peak. It is
because they are the most naive. And now there's this, like,
like you said, there's this culture shift because people can
create on their own. They've got their own megaphone, they've
got their own broadcasting system that's accessible, and you know,
whether you're using only fans or not only fans, itself
changed the cultural conversation around this, and because yeah, there
was other places that we're doing subscription based you know,
content sales, and there was other things before only fans,
but the only fans generational shift, the cultural shift has
made it so that, yeah, a lot of these porn
producers are on notice. And that doesn't mean that all
porn producers are terrible and that you know, porn will
cease to exist. Obviously, it'll still be around, but it's
changed because I get I get solicited for you know,
certain contracts and the difference, and I'm not really into
the typical porn industry, so I don't usually take any
of that. But there's been some collabse that I've humored
for like only fans, that I'm like, yeah, collaboration's great,
but the tone over the last few years has changed dramatically.
Speaker 1: When they talk to me, let me let me rephrase
something you said. Though you said it's flushed out a
lot of these people. I think it's flushed them laterally, though,
I think, now you have let me manage your only fans.
Oh yeah, yeah, see that they don't they're cockroaches. They
don't go well, they just moved. Yeah yeah, and do
you just look some of them though I've worked I
work with like PR agents, and the PR agents aren't
the same as like your booking agent and this and that.
They I have people I would recommend to anyone because
I know the work they do. I know the work
they've done for me behind the scenes. I've never hired
them or anything like that. So there are good people.
You just you really have to suss out who it is.
And that's much easier at twenty nine than it is
at eighteen. So I totally get that. Let me ask
you this. I normally end on this question because I
ask all the mainstream girls. I asked the newer performers
coming into it, and there's no judgment on this from me.
What should be the age a girl can get into
the adult entertainment industry? Because there's varying views and surprising
ones from girls who like got into this at eighteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I here's the deal. Like this is where it
gets really sticky about like a one size fits all
equation In some ways, I almost feel like there needs
to be like a means test, even though I'm like
so against means testing and other regards in the world,
but they're to me. And by that I don't mean, like,
you know, I think people are asking themselves the wrong questions. So,
for instance, I did this episode of Million Years Ago
a guest for another thing, and they asked a similar
question about you know, like do but it was their
question was do you think someday you're going to regret OnlyFans?
And I was like, if you if you were on
the fence about that at all, you know, yeah. And
so there's certain questions that I think you need to
ask yourself. And it isn't necessarily age dependent, because I
think that there's people in their thirties that could you know,
not be too, that are so naive about this still
that even though they're in their thirties, it's they'd still
regret things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're you're spot on. And most of the
performers I talked to say that too, where like I'm
thirty seven, I'm as dumb as they come. Okay, I'd
get tricked into anything. Uh, And there's eighteen year olds
I've interviewed who are like, yeah, so I have my
retirement set up. I'm like, get the fuck out of here.
So I totally get that what we kind of came
to a consensus on what might be. And you also
don't want to take work away. A girl runs away
from her family at sixteen, lives on the street for
two years, she's old enough to work on only fans
or something like that. You don't want to take that away.
I totally get that. And that's better than like working
the street or being taken advantage of one hundred percent.
But for every one of those, I can also throw
at you the eighteen year old girl who paid for
her own plane ticket to fly across the country and
stood outside of the hotel room and called the producer
and said, hey, I'm ready for this, and they never
picked up the phone, or even worse, it could be worse, right, absolutely,
one idea I came to with a bunch of big
name performers was maybe we just do solo and softcore
till twenty one.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not I don't think that's a bad idea
at all. I might even say, you know, depending it's
like there's a range of twenty one to twenty five,
because I know that there's a lot of people that
get very controversial about like twenty five is when your
frontal lobe is whatever, blah blah blah. And I know
that there's some people like, ugh, but you're an adult.
Why are you, like you said, taking opportunities away from people?
And then there's those people that are like me, which
I don't. I I see it, and I don't like it.
Take me back to when I was, you know, pre
twenty five. So now, no, I'm not twenty five, y'all,
but pre twenty five, and I would have been absolutely
as disgusted. On the other hand, there's certain things, and
I'm not just talking about the adult industry. I'm just
talking about like life that I wish somebody would have
like shook me before I went and made what I
thought was the you know, I was arrogant about it.
I was so convinced, and now I look back and
I'm like, oh my god, I wish that there was
somebody who stopped me. So again, I don't think there
needs to be I'm not a big like there needs
to be hard laws about stuff. Sure, Anyways, when it
comes to, you know, those sorts of very philosophical questions.
I mean, there should be hard laws about like children
versus adults, obviously, but like when it comes to the
range of adults and stuff like, I'm like, oh boy,
that gets really, really fraught. But I think you're right.
I think solo and softcore, that's a.
Speaker 1: Really interesting understand what it's like putting your body out
there and we actually get from it, and.
Speaker 2: Man, he here's your adult industry internship.
Speaker 1: You know exactly.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think that's a horrible idea.
Speaker 1: Actually, all the guys who have eighteen on their category
searches are fucking planning to kill me right now. I
had such a good joke. I couldn't say it because
it was so rude, and I was like, no, this
is the show where you're a nice guy. When you
were like, maybe they wait till they're twenty five, I
was gonna just blurt out, yeah, but they're all used
up by then.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean you're channeling, you're channeling that
that's a person, So I hear you.
Speaker 1: I have to keep the monster in me suppressed so
I can talk the nice, pretty girls about their only
fanis who wants.
Speaker 2: That expired female mills are making a comeback, y'all?
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, a nice twenty four year old milf exactly.
I agree. All right, Before they kill me on this,
let me talk about some of your content. If I
go and sign up for your Only Fans again at
Dear d A or Phone f A w N. If
I go to sign I'm for your Only Fans? What
kind of content am I seeing? Is it daily snapshot
of your life? Is it a produced video X amount
of times a month?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 1: What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so most of my feed is just like if
you're just subscribing, most of my feed is just like
you know, some topless coseplay, the occasional like I'm out
at a concert kind of video like you know, not
not not like a daily like get ready with me,
that's for sure, But uh, I got too much chaos
in my in the rest of my day to be
you know anyway, which I'm sure some people would be
interested in, but usually my phone is so anyway. Yeah,
it's usually like topless cosplay and you know, some gaining
some you know, occasionally I'll do like a funny real
that I you know, will then uh sort of make
the slightly more adull version of so. But what I
do you know more custom for people is I then
I can get a little more freaky. And I'm I
wouldn't say a master of role play, but I'm good
with role plays. I'm I am not afraid of acting.
I am not. I was a theater person before all this.
Speaker 1: That's the end.
Speaker 2: And if you will, so there's role plays, roleplays, especially
in coseplays. If you know, people request that sort of thing.
I'm I'm I'm sort of not squeamish about most sex. Again,
as long as it's safe, sane, and consensual. And then
as far as role plays are concerned, you know, the
only thing that I won't do because I'm just so
against speaking of this, I just don't do things like
age play and all that kind of you know, so
the weirder stuff that then contributes to this culture of
twenty five year olds being used up, so.
Speaker 1: That the age play that I saw a video you
had on your Twitter where someone said like call me
daddy or something like that, and you were like, hold
the fuck on. So you're not into that, right, that's
not at all.
Speaker 2: Furious that it has been normalized to call people me
and daddy. I'm like, do not please God, But I
think we're into it, not trying to yuck everybody's youm
but I hate it.
Speaker 1: No, it's not necessarily my thing either. And I ask
all the performers. I go like, do you want that
to go away? Like that trend? Would we like it
to move along? A lot of them are just like,
you know what, it's acting. I don't care, blah blah blah.
Not my thing, not my thing, but hey, it's legal.
You had what was the one you said saying something
and something.
Speaker 2: Pain safe and consensual.
Speaker 1: See I used to normally just say sack shit animals
and kids. I'm just just keep that out in general
and I'll accept, Hey, that's great, sure, do whatever you liked.
Speaker 2: I used to say that too, but I've been working
in this industry long enough that now I realize, oh
wait a second, there are nuances here that I was
not detecting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's all in the nuance. It seems like,
all right, let me hit some of my these sexual
questions on here, because we've been having such a great
conversation lately. Do you have a favorite sexual position?
Speaker 2: You know this is going to sound maybe surprising or
unsurprising coming from somebody who grew up with Mormons around.
But I think that missionary is like overlooked a lot
in like thinking it's not you can add some pazaz
to it depending on how you elevate your you know,
pelvis and you know which hole you're using. I mean
missionary anal. Guys, it's it's not a bad it's not
a bad deal. So just saying that that missionary is
oftentimes overlooked perfect.
Speaker 1: What's your least favorite? Is there a sexual position where
your partner will come to you and go, hey, let's
do this, and you go, ugh, all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, reverse cow girl one thousand percent. Don't do it
to me. I don't want to look at your toes
while I'm getting my squats in. I'm just it's yeah,
over that does nothing for me.
Speaker 1: Overwhelming answer for least favorite from mainstream established stars except
my favorite performer she looks just like my wife, goth Charlotte.
Charlotte start her favorite position, reverse cowgirl. I go, oh,
you're just you just hate everything about yourself, so you're.
Speaker 2: Exactly see listen. I get it from a producer, like
from like the cameraman's perspective because you're seeing the girl's
face while like the angle, Like the angle is good
for film, but performing it sucks.
Speaker 1: So there's so many positions. I look at and I go, man,
I'm gonna throw that out to Jen. Jen's my wife.
I'm gotta throw that out. And then I look at
it and go, my dick is not big enough for that,
Like what was I thinking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dick.
Speaker 3: Geometry is just not gonna work here. It's just not
Our bodies aren't shipped like this. I'm sorry, it's not
gonna happen, and I'm sorry, but like listen, I'm I
keep fit. I've got my elliptical over here off screen, Like,
I do my best to keep as strong as I
possibly can.
Speaker 2: But some of this, I'm like, I don't need to
be a bodybuilder to be able to execute this because
some of this, like upper body strength and lower body
strength that's you know, required for reverse cowgirls. Ooh, it's
too much.
Speaker 1: It's too much too.
Speaker 2: There's why I'm on Stripper, Like I said, besides the
fact that I have to see people in person, there's
also I'm just not that athletic, you know what.
Speaker 1: You would look like on stage with high heels, on
real high heels, trying to move and dance around, almost
like a like a deer or a fawn, you know,
is what you would kind of look like. I don't know,
just throwing that out sicely. You're getting it now, I understand.
I understand the personality. I didn't know where to start,
but I think I found out where we're going to
end up. And that's the only fans which we'll plug
at the end real quick, you said, Anal missionaries not bad.
So I assume our current working relationship with Anamal is
okay and acceptable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, also understand. I totally understand why there are people,
especially ladies, that are you know, wary of that because
oftentimes it is used as a cudgel for you know, suffering,
and but done correctly and safely, sanely, consensually. There's there's
a there's a lot to that that, you know, especially
as like cream pies make a big comeback. Now, my
partner is the sectimized, thank you, thank you, thank you
so much. But but as cream pies come back, I'm like, listen.
The other good thing about Anal's the pregnancy scare is a.
Speaker 1: Lot less, so you should start a podcast because literally
my next question is, can you please rank these three
for me? Facial swallowing cream pie?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, uh again depending on who it is. Now,
if if he's got of a sectomy, creampies are great,
that's wonderful, but uh, if not, then it's going to
be Probably It's hard to say because there's a little
bit more clean up with the facial and I actually
sort of I'm sort of into come, So I'm going
to go swallowing facial cream pie unless he's got a eseectomy,
and then that cream pie goes number one?
Speaker 1: Is that because of the easy cleanup?
Speaker 2: Yes? Well, and I like come, but yes, easy cleanup
as well. It's a two for one.
Speaker 1: Fair enough? Fair enough? How okay? You are the what
were you the queen of you were saying was it cosplay?
Was it role play? Queen of role play?
Speaker 2: Okay, and again, don't callte me on that too much
because otherwise I'm gonna get way too many requests for
really weird.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: No, you're the queen of role play. I have the
biggest dick in North America. That's just what we're setting
on the record. Okay, this is record now, how important
is dirty talk to you? And how good are you
at it?
Speaker 2: So, considering that I'm good at roleplay, like just all
the cuf random dirty talk not great because because I
don't know, like I maybe the role play. The reason
why I like it is because it gives context and
so then I can get into character. But if somebody
was just like in bed with me and just like
trying to get me to just start randomly saying stuff,
you know, dirty talk, I'm gonna I'm gonna probably be
really awkward and embarrassing. So for me, the requirement of
dirty talk I better not be required. Otherwise we're gonna
have well, we'll have a laugh, but it won't be
it won't be horny. But others talking to me, like
especially in like just my personal life, Oh I do
like somebody who knows what they're they're they're saying there
is something there's something good about dirty talk. The other direction, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, my wife, same thing. She doesn't she's
in the moment. You can't really throw it at her.
You have to almost like walk her through it, like
what if I said this, what would your response to
that be? But then at that point it's like I'm
just teaching like a ASL class. I think no EESL.
I used to be an SL teacher, so I hear it.
I took sign language in college. These aren't anything. These
are gangs.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: Let's see, do you have an opinion on number of
performers that makes a gang bang? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I think it has to be more than three,
because there's three. I don't know. This is just I'm
saying this off the cuff because but usually I just
see three. I want to say just three. It's not
like that's nothing, but that that that seems like I'd
still call it a foursome. After that, then we can
maybe start calling it.
Speaker 1: A gang bang. One hundred percent agree, one hundred percent agree.
I think minimum four guys. I've been told minimum five,
one for each hand as well, but oh.
Speaker 2: Good good calling out three holes two hands, I can
get behind that.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I would say four and up,
maybe four and a half. If you're talking about a
small person or something in there, do you have any
desire to shoot for the mainstream or is that something
you don't want to do if it came along and
it was the right opportunity and you disgusted and everything
or no.
Speaker 2: See, I think I have spoken to people that have
the what seems like the right opportunity is truly and
I do think it has to do with Unfortunately I
have some just personal hard lines, like I'm I take
my hormones very seriously and so like birth control and
Plan B and all and and nor do I want
to especially not during a scene, but certainly I don't
want to be pregnant. So like I think that there's
like there's some real big barriers. So if there was,
if somebody came, because there have been some really good
opportunities that have come my way with like you know,
some decent equity splits, you know, exposure, you know, et cetera.
But there was just some things that I was like,
I can't, I can't. I can't square that last thing
with you know, being again on birth control or any
of that other stuff. And I know that that sounds
like a really odd one to some people that are
like in fact, a lot of these producers have said
like why why can't you just and I'm like, trust
me again without getting without violating my own hipoprivacies here,
Like it's been a journey with my hormones, the fact
that I'm even you know, as smiley and functional as
I am. You know, the person that you see before
you now has taken a lot of finessing, and I
do not want to throw any sort of spanners in
those works.
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