Speaker 1: All right, welcome in. It is time for full court presidence.
Monday Feast week is in the books. No one is
happier about that than me. I did not have a
very good feast week. I did win yesterday. Good feast
week in football, Brian Power. Not a good feast week
in basketball. We got to turn it around. But I
dig it a basketball winner yesterday, Brian. I know, well,
first of all, you were ranting off camera we should
tell the folks that Chicago State South Carolina State is canceled.
Speaker 2: And you're not very happy about that, are you?
Speaker 3: No, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I had to play on the over and it was
gonna win, Trig and Rob, I'm telling you right now,
that was a good look and play. It was two
terrible defensive teams. I opened the rite up by noting
two to eight teams playing in a noon Eastern time
slot on a Monday. What's not to love here? Why
would we not bet this game? I thought no defense
was going to be played. People were betting the over
like they knew the score. I had a good number
at one fifty one and a half. And right before
we go live here on wager Talk TV, please Liken subscribe,
Please remember to do. So we appreciate that. Trigg says,
guess what, South Carolina State didn't make the trip forget
about not getting off the bus, they never got on
the plane.
Speaker 5: Game's not taking place, guys.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the problem. I don't think they
travel by plane. I feel like that's probably about even
even all the way UF to Chicago State. I don't
know that they have the budget to fly there to
be being perfectly good.
Speaker 4: Points that might have been the plot, that might have
been the problem. So yeah, no, no, no early tip.
And that was so guys, if you bought that play
for me, it was just a small little two percent
play to try to get the week. Oh and customer servier,
so refund j I'm sure they're very nice people.
Speaker 5: Tell them BP sent you what?
Speaker 3: Rob?
Speaker 5: I think you're muted?
Speaker 1: Rob, Rob, you're muted. But let's get you in here.
How is your how is your Thanksgiving? How is your feast?
Speaker 2: Week? All?
Speaker 3: Right, well, let's say this, the time spent with family
was wonderful until last night's and and maybe you know,
you guys have been into business long enough. Sometimes one
game changes the whole flow for everything. It hadn't been
good for about three days, and then last night I
have a five percent Denver team total over twenty four
and a half and guess what, Oh lucky enough to
go to overtime. I get lucky enough to score the touchdown,
and overtime the five percent comes home. And those are
the type of things that change the flow of betting accounts.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna roll with that, guys, I'm
gonna roll with the fact that this is gonna be
a really, really good week.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Brian, I was gonna say, this is a
college basketball show. We will get to college basketball. I
promised we have a full hour to discuss somewhat smaller
college roots cards. So we're gonna get a lot in guys, Temple, Villanova,
we have a battle of unbeatens between cal Baptist and Colorado.
But Trigg, needless to say, I think it's a good
thing we weren't watching the game last night with Rob
because I had the command I had the commanders, Trigg,
I know you had the commandion. When they forced over
on that last drive, I was like, dan Quinn, just
don't force overtime, because I knew I would have looked
at you, Rob when that game went to overtime and said,
your team total over has absolutely cash. There was no doubt.
I have never been more I'm forty five years old.
I don't think I've been more sure of anything in
my life than the fact that Denver was going to
score touchdown on that opening possession and overtime, and boy
did they make a sweat on the comeback. I tweeted,
It's very rare I get emotional on x dot com, guys,
but I did tweet in the wee hours last night
for the love of Christ, please go for to dan Quinn.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 4: I didn't care that he missed it. Quite frankly, started
all your commanders fans, but we all win on Sunday night.
And I had a five percent winner too yesterday and
football with the over in Rams Panthers, I was very
easy with quite frankly.
Speaker 3: Hey, Adam, real quick, Mike. When I was muted, I
was asking you, if you're South Carolina state, how do
you even schedule that trip? If in fact the reason
is we don't have the budget to fly, how do
you even schedule that game? Did you think you were
going to drive cars there? And what was the deal?
Speaker 1: I don't know what the the logistics are of that.
I feel like you can do that trip by bus.
Maybe they were flying.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, they do have to leave campus to play
by games. I just know that they don't have like
a huge I don't think they have a very big budget.
And that was my guess. So, Tom Fray, have your
college basketball been profitable this season? I can't speak for
the other two. Mine is not to this point, and
I want to, like, you know, for full transparency.
Speaker 2: I had had a one.
Speaker 1: Of the worst weeks that I can personally remember betting
this sport. From about Tuesday to Saturday. Monday I went
five and one. Yesterday I went four and one, but
most of it was football. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday
was as bad as it gets for me. I was
on the wrong end of every overtime. I was on
the wrong end of every late game situation. So no,
to answer your question, no, it hasn't been profitable to
this point. It's super frustrating. But it's also December first.
We got a lot of season left, so I'm ready
to cast a few tickets.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Brian, Yeah, happy to December, everybody. Yeah, for me,
I'm basically dead. Even I was on a nice run
and then Friday happened. Two of the most rotten losers
you could have going into the weekend. Trigg, I believe
you were on both of these with me. We gave
out right, Yeah, we gave out right State. Let's alway,
let's stay positive, Trig. It's almost the holiday season. But
you know we had right State. We gave that out
in the afternoon on Friday. They were up out a
double digit dog, that's up outright at the half against Butler.
Speaker 5: They get absolutely smoked in the second half.
Speaker 4: And then Mississippi State I had at night on Friday
against SMU. They were winning the entire second half. Of course,
the game goes to overtime and they lose. So that
was a frustrating Friday in college hoops. But like I said,
got it back in the NFL yesterday and ready for
a nice week go No, I guess I don't know.
Back to the drawing board with my play being my
over being canceled this afternoon again, guys catching a slate.
The Chicago State South Carolina State game, scheduled for a
noon Eastern time tip on Monday to eighteen will not
be taking place. South Carolina State was unable to make
the trip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we've rambled for five minutes, but I guess
that was the time sort of allotted to talk that
day game, which is now not happening. So let's actually
talk some basketball now six minutes in the show, because
there is a lot to talk about today.
Speaker 2: There is a lot to talk about today.
Speaker 1: There's still just because there's no Top twenty five games
doesn't mean there's not a lot of good spots to
look at on the card. So I guess we'll kick
it off out in Philly. This is a Big five matchup.
If you will Temple Villanova, I'll bring Robin here is
this is his neck of the woods, and then we'll
go to VP.
Speaker 2: Is this game at LL. This is at Villanova, I
believe on Villanova's campus.
Speaker 3: Correct, this is not Villanova's campus, yet they don't. Yeah,
that's interesting, guys. They became very very I don't know
Villanova's money, a little bit of an elitist attitude, and
they won't play in places like the Palestra much anymore.
We don't go to those places to us over here
in Britamar and play a Villanova. So that's just a
little sidebar there, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Ed, No, I want I wanted to kick off the
breakdown and just kind of make sure because you always
got to check with with these Philly schools. Are they
playing like Nova has two arenas. They're either going to
play at the Pavilion or they're gonna play downtown or
sometimes they play in the Polestra.
Speaker 2: So yeah, start us off, Brian Temple, Villanova.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I was just gonna add that the winner here,
you know, they're doing a big five classic deal you
talk about Philly at large.
Speaker 5: The winner here is.
Speaker 4: Playing Penn on Saturday. So and I don't know what
happens to the loser if they just you know, eat
cheese steaks or maybe Rob has some information.
Speaker 5: On that, but yeah, I think that's the that's the deal.
Speaker 4: The winner of this game gets to face another Philly
school pen on Saturday.
Speaker 3: All right, so real quick, let's get going here with
the game, guys. And for me, two big factors. One,
no Duke Brendan for Villanova. They win without him the
other day, but Duke Brennan now out indefinitely. And I'm
going to give you a quote from Kevin Willard on
his absence, talking about having to play without him and
having to play smaller as a group. He said, that's
something we're still not very good at because we don't
have time to practice it. The more we practice it,
the more comfortable we'll get with five guys out there
who can shoot, pass, and dribble. Last year, Villanova shot
the three real well. They shot the lights out against
this Temple team. Adam Fisher, head coach of Temple said,
going into it last year, we wanted to take away
their threes. We didn't do it. They shot over fifty percent.
They made shots we didn't execute. Just compound that with
his statement about this year's team, our defense has got
to improve. We've got to get better. I'm really disappointed
Adam Fisher on the Temple defense. So small lineup, batch
of shooters team and an opponent that couldn't stop them
from shooting the batasketball last year and making shots this year.
It's probably the same boat. But then you do have
the other side where Villanova is not really accustomed to
doing what they have to do today. It makes for
an interesting matchup for me. I'm fairly interested in playing
the over here guys and it's been bet down. I
think it might come down a couple more points. I
might get involved. I haven't bet it yet, but I
do think that you're going to see more pace out
of Villanova now without Brennan in the game. They do
win Saturday. I think it was eighty nine to seventy
five against ODU. That's one hundred and sixty four point game.
Temple not the most dependable when it comes to the
offensive side, but I think when you're lacking size on
the other side, you can get a lot of second
chances and stuff like that that wouldn't have occurred wouldn't
have occurred if Brennan was in the lineup. So for me,
just very briefly, it will be a shot at the
over and maybe a slight one. If in fact I
can get this thing knocked down a couple more points,
if there's enough bandwagon to the move and push it
even further down, I think I could like it if
I get to If I get to forty seven and
a half, I think I'll be there on the over
neck game.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Look, I know the tendency is to call Villanova with
so many new faces, a surprising five and one. Certainly
I don't think a lot of people thought they'd be
up to number forty two in the Ken Palm ratings
at this juncture of the season for first year head
coach Kevin Willard. But Worth noting Nova has gone off
as a double digit favorite each of their five wins
since losing the season opener by only five to b YU,
So the fact of five and one.
Speaker 5: Really can't be surprising if they're, you know, a double
digit favorite all five wins.
Speaker 4: Temple, meanwhile, I think it's fair to say they're just
putting four and three straight up. They'd gone off as
the favorite in every game prior to the last one.
They closed as a three point home dog to Rhode
Island over the last five and lost that game. Over
the last five, I was just two and three straight up.
Now oh to five against the number. I think that's
something we need to bring up here. They lost some
pretty good teams Rhode Island, UCSD, Boston College. But Worth
noting the two wins for Temple in those last five
games over Princeton and Hawstra by a combined only by
a combined nine points. I think the other thing worth
noting about Temple is every game since the opener has
made it over the total. Rob touched on the total. Defensively,
Temple's not been good two hundred he read the coaches quotes. Well,
they're two hundred ninety eighth in adjusted efficiency at that
end of the floor.
Speaker 5: These teams met last season. Rob brought this up.
Speaker 4: Nova shot the lights out a school record actually was
set in nineteen made threes. It was a ninety four
to sixty five blowout as nine and a half point favorites.
Eighth time in the last nine meetings that Nova has.
Speaker 5: Been the winner.
Speaker 4: All eight of those wins, Nova covered the spread and
won by double digits. And that three point record Nova
set last year against Temple, well they've since broke it.
Went twenty two of forty three a couple weeks ago
against Sacred Heart. So I think the expectation here is
Villanova winning in a high scoring game. But I kind
of lean trigged the points with Temple here, maybe a
by low spot. This is a team Temple that closes
a favorite on a neutral floor against UC San Diego,
who's now seven and oh straight up six and zero
against the number. Rob mentioned the Duke Brennan injury. He's
the nation's leader in rebounds per game at fourteen point four.
Temple's pretty good rebounding team in its own right. In fact,
how about number six nationally in defensive rebounding rates. So
perhaps the edge on the boards will go to them tonight.
As far as the total, I actually part of me
wanted to go under, but the number has moved a
little too much. Nova's been playing slow. Rob's point is
well taken that we maybe could see an increase in pace.
So if you forced me to make a bet here,
I guess it would be Temple plus the points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I would look as well. My initial
number was very close to what the market was. I
just was trying to pull it up here. I mean
at thirteen, so it opened fourteen. I agree with the
move down at twelve and a half. So a couple
things I'll say about Villanova, Like they're they're definitely a
better coached team with Kevin Willard. Like they're not they're
not struggling in these like like playing down like they
did at times under Kyle Neptune. But they are like
this is a not a good basketball team, like on paper,
like you look at this roster, it's this is a
bad roster for big EIE standards. I mean they they're
basically they're two big gets in the portal where Duke
Brennan who's now out and ask you from Long Beach
State like this is this just isn't a very good roster.
And I think that will catch up with them once
they get into like playing some some teams that are
that are in their weight class. Now Temple, I wish, honestly,
I wish I had more faith in Temple. I wish
I was higher on them because I probably would have
taken the fourteen at the Open. I'm just I just
haven't been for a lot of the things. Uh you
know that that sort of rob pointed out with the
amount of points they'll give up, so on and so forth.
But like you look at this Villanova team, and yes
they did come back and make that BYU score line respectable,
lost by five, ended up covering they were down big
at one point in that game. And then the teams
that they're playing to this point, Queen's Sacred Heart, Ducane Lisal,
Old Dominion, like they, as you said, Brian, their double
digit favorites in every game. Some of those teams like
struggle to play up, and I think that'll be a
theme of of sort of the show today is like
trying to evaluate teams playing up in these types of
games because we have a lot of matchups like that today.
Now Temple is already sort of up. Like the American
is not really a mid major conference, like I know,
like people will say it is now, but like they're
still playing teams like Memphis and and you know UAB
like they like, I don't really think that this is
like Nova against Sacred Heart or Nova against Dukane. But
yet the Sacred Heart line in that in that or
I'm sorry, the Dukane line I think was similar ten
and a half. Sacred Heart I believe was a they
were a twenty point dog. But like the thing is,
like Temple's probably a little bit better than the last
five teams Villanova played. You take Brendan out, I think
you have an okay bet with Temple plus the points here.
Speaker 4: Yeah all right, No, I was gonna say Nova was
at home a favorite of seventeen or more in three
of the four home games during this win streak.
Speaker 1: And Keith Keith makes a good point, like they've got
Michigan on deck. That's definitely a bigger game for Nova
that comes up next week. Now, I know, I don't
really know if I qualify that as a look ahead
spot eight days from now, but like that's probably where
that's probably.
Speaker 2: Where Nova's getting run out of the gym.
Speaker 1: Like, especially if they like cover this number, they'll probably
get smashed by Michigan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's move on. Garth, thank you for
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Speaker 1: Guard's game in here. Thoughts on Iona Delaware. I believe
it's Iona all the way. He's taking Iona minus one
and a half. So I'll throw it to you, Brian Power,
you've been kind of high on the gals this year.
Do you have any interest in Iona on the road
at Delaware tonight?
Speaker 4: I think this is a one factor handicap, and I'll
let maybe Rob expound on this point. It's three point shooting, right,
we talk about it. That's the reality in modern college basketball.
If we could all know, if we could all predict
the three point variants correctly before tip off, we all
be millionaires. And you take a look at this matchup
here between Iona and Delaware. Delaware has shot the three
extraordinarily well to this point, particularly at home. But what
is one of the key things that is fueled this
Iona start. Well, they're just not letting opponents hit the
three very much of it. Teams are hitting twenty six
percent from downtown against the Gales. So you have to
ask yourself, and I don't know. I can't predict this.
I don't have the answer. Guys, I apologize, but you
know what's gonna is Delaware? You know what's gonna regress here?
Is it? Is it Delaware's three point shooting or ionne
is three point shooting against I don't know if Rob
has any insight there as I weasel my way out.
Speaker 3: Well, and let's say this, the Delaware's point distribution fifth
highest in the nation coming from three point range. So
to say they're dependent upon the three is an understatement
at this point in time. You go back the last
couple of games. They shot it really well. Last game
thirteen of twenty five, but prior to that against Southern
Illinois eight of thirty. And I think if you focus
on taking their perimeter away, which Iona obviously has been
good at this year. We don't want to say you
can stop, but you can contain them, and containing them
is probably enough for Iona to win here at a
game that's near pick them. Certainly, Iona has more options.
They're somewhat three point dependent too, but nowhere near the
level of what Delaware has been so far this year.
Good news for Delaware. It's in their home gym. It's
not a huge factor as far as fan fans helping
decide these concerned, Bob Carpenter auditorium or gymnasium, whatever it's
called over here in Newark, not really a big home
floor advantage at this point in time. But it is
the deciding factor in this game, Brian, whether or not
Delaware comes through and bangs out and they're going to
have to hit a bunch of threes, let's put it
that way, because defensively they're inept for the most part,
so Iona should score their share. To me, it's a
bit surprising that the number is where it is, given
the way that Iona has shown to play this season.
I would look that way, guys, just based upon how
Delaware's numbers have bounced. It's another reason why a lot
of times you just can't look at the overall, go
back and scout individual games and see if a team
is capable of playing three point defense? Did Delaware shoot
good against that team? And it's why I bring up
the Southern Illinois game. So for me, it would be
Iona here, Adams muted.
Speaker 2: Muted, hold on. So I want to bring this comment up.
Speaker 1: This is interesting to me because I think a lot
of people think this way and I somewhat disagree, and
I guess I'll kind of base my handicap off this.
So line is weird. It should be Iona minus six.
I very much disagree with that. I make Delaware one
point favorite on their home floor here now doesn't mean
I'm going to rush to that Delaware plus one and
a half. No, But like the the that thought process
I think is permeated into the market with with Iona. Now,
I'll go back to the summer and coming into the season,
Iona makes a coaching change. They go from Tobin Anderson,
who like was only there for a couple of years.
He was the guy that took Fairley Dickinson to the
tournament beat Purdue. Took the Iona job and kind of
like was a little bit surprising. I know in mac circles,
I you know, talk to a lot of people and
you know that they're tuned into the MAC because Sienna
is a MAX school. Very surprising that Iona sort of,
you know, went the direction they did, got rid of
Tobin Anderson, bringing Dan Girou, who was an NBA guy
assistant from somewhere. I don't don't know where he was
an assistant, but his comments going into the season were
very much like almost like hey, like we're we're really
starting this from the from the ground, like we're it's
almost like a year zero. Like if you read between
the lines, I know Rob's a big comments guy and
listening to what the coaches are trying to tell you.
I felt like he was telling us, hey, like if
we don't look great great coming out of the gate,
like just give us time. Like we're trying to do
this the right way. I got, you know, the guys
I want in and I want to build this thing.
Like so like we're keeping it simple in the early going.
Speaker 2: What did I own to.
Speaker 1: Do they came out and shot the lights out in
their first few games, like could not miss a shot Hawstra.
That that Hastra game they were up like twenty two
to four. I think the first nine shots of the
game went in. I mean just unconscious uh umkc. They
literally didn't miss the entire game. They go on the road,
drop one ZH five.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying, like Fordham and the Princeton game,
could not miss a shot. So then they go to
the MTE and suddenly, in my opinion, the regression that
I thought would come at some point comes. They get
run out by Acron, which is not a bad loss.
That's a very very good Acron team. So no, no,
nothing wrong with that. They really should have lost to
Oregon State. They were fortunate to sort of win that game.
They had to hit a couple of big sh I
believe put that game into overtime and then oh, double OT,
so they need to hit big shots to put that
game in OT. They end up winning in double overtime,
and then they lose to Green Bay. So my gut
with Iona, a team that I watch closely of course
as a Siana guy, can't stand them.
Speaker 2: There are mac rival always want.
Speaker 1: To see them fail, but like I feel like the
profile on them is still very like raised. I don't
know if I want to call it inflated, because you
have to give them credit. They've played well and Jiro like,
there's a reason that they fired a coach that probably
didn't deserve to be fired.
Speaker 2: To bring this guy in.
Speaker 1: They must see something there in the way that he's
going to go about things. So I don't want to
say they're inflated, but like to say that they should
be a six point favorite on the road against the
team that's very similar I would disagree with and for
Delaware at some point, I think it's gonna matter that
Justin Fernandez is back. So like Justin Fernandez missed the
first few games of the season, he came back against
Saint Peter's. He didn't you know, the Southern Illinois game
was probably a bad matchup for them, but like Greensboro
twelve point seven boards, they were like a pick in
that game and they sort of dominated UNC Greensboro. Now
this is a step up for them, but they're back
on their home floor. I guess for me, I just
like I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Iona
goes on the road and just wins this game, and
I actually lean toward Delaware, but I don't know if
I'm gonna bet it, so I don't want to put
you off in Iona bet. But that's just sort of
how I see two teams that I that I do
kind of follow closely. All right, let's let's move on.
So we started this flip a coin for the twelve
pm game. There is no twelve pm game sonically, they
canceled that game due to weather. So technically our breakdown
the first five minutes, which was more or less like
us complaining and just talking about the weekend, was also
to inform you that that Chicago State in South Carolina
State got canceled. Okay, let's move it along. A lot
of questions and a lot of we have plenty of
time to get to games. Here's one that Slickvic. Slickvic
has a question. He says, how about Bowling Green plus
thirteen versus Case State? And this is sort of like
what I teased for a second, and I'll throw I'll
just leave it open to both of you to comment
on this. But like certain teams, so I've come on
the show and said, I like this Bowling Green team,
Brian Power, and I got to see Bowling Green play
against Lamoyne. I think they are very impressive, like in
their weight class. And when I say weight class, I
keep throwing this term around, but it's like against teams
that are rated near you and ken Pom that that
are competitively lined type games. I'm not sure that Bowling
Green is the type of team that I want to
back when they play up playing a team like k
State that can fill it up the way they can,
because their most redeeming quality to me was their defense,
and they've they've had a couple of these games where
they've gone on sort of scoring lulls, and I wonder
if that gets exposed here. So open the Florida you guys, Brian,
you want to kick us off?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just go quick talking about that, Yeah, I'll go
quick here.
Speaker 5: Look, Kansas State should be happy to be back home.
Speaker 4: That's where they started the season with five straight home wins,
but back to back losses for the Wildcats. They lose
by one to Nebraska in Kansas City, then by seventeen
at Indiana last Tuesday. I saw some people in the
chat reference that result Tang's comments afterwards that lost Indiana
was Case State's lowest scoring game of the season so far,
first game getting held below eighty four points.
Speaker 5: P J.
Speaker 4: Haggerty, He didn't just lead this team in scoring, Guys,
he leads the entire country twenty six point three points
per game. He was held to a season low sixteen
points seven of seventeen shooting. Now, I don't think the
Wildcats should necessarily be expecting a walk over here just
because they're back in Manhattan bowling Green. I think is
gonna be up for this game, you know, Trig. I
think your point is well taken about. Are they able
to punch up in weight class so to speak. Well,
they're gonna the players should be excited. This is their
only game this season against the Power Conference opponent. I
believe the Falcons number four the country when it comes
to forcing turnovers, not to mention top twenty five and
defensive rebound rate. Of course, some of that does have
to do with a fairly pedestrian schedule. You mentioned us
seeing BG in person, Trigg. They beat Lemoine by twenty three.
After that, they lose to Davidson, They lose to William
and Mary they've just bounced back with wins over Bucknell
and VM. I My concern for Bowling Green here, and
I wonder if Robs the point of this is defending
the three. They're allowing a pretty high shot volume from behind.
The are just a lot of attempts, and Kansas State,
who likes to play fast, they're shooting the three at
one of the best percentage of the country right now,
forty two point nine. So yeah, can Bowling Green stop that?
That's the whole key to the game.
Speaker 2: You're muted, we're at.
Speaker 3: That dog was making some noise here. I don't know
if he likes my player or not. He was borking on.
But I'm going to combine this for you and just
make this my first leg the parlay here, Brian, you
mentioned the three point stuff. My main reason for playing
the Kansas State team total over eighty five and a half.
Here is the pace. Todd Simon, when he was back
at Southern Utah just known for pace, hasn't really gotten
it as quick as he likes it at Bowling Green.
But this year it's risen and risen substantially to I
think seventy one something possessions per game. Bowling Green is
a team that doesn't hold the ball along on offense
and the opponent gets it up quick on defense. And
that's exactly the type of game Case State wants to play.
And they're off a bad shooting performance, a low scoring
performance against Indiana. The defensive difference between Indiana and Bowling
Green is night and day. I just feel like you're
gonna get an up and down game here, both teams
that want to go a team that can really shoot
lights out. Brian, you mentioned back home should be glad
to be back home. Totally agree for K State and
eighty five and a half. When I go up in
down what they've done this year ninety three, well, I
guess you said. I'll just use your words. They were
held to under eighty four for the first time last game.
It's a team that lives in this range or above.
They've got an opponent here that will allow them to
shot opportunities to score that many points. Just to me,
it adds up all too well to being a K
State team. Total over. Now that being said, I almost
feel like Bowling Green and I won't play K State
as the favorite because I feel like Bowling Green might
be able to score their share as well. Kansas State
shows us nothing defensively all season long. They prefer to
score rather than defend. So I think isolating this game
is the absolute best way to go here. So for me,
first leg of the parla is going to be Kansas
State team total up and over. I'm using the consensus
number here, guys, eighty five and a half shop out
there as best you can. I know there's some eighty
six and a half's out there. I wouldn't be opposed
to going over that either, but you always want to
get the best number and what I'm seeing for a
consensus is eighty five and a half over. Yeah, it's
got juice attached to it, Adam real quick, because I
know when you're factoring into parlay, it's got a dollar
twenty two attached to it.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, no, I'll put that in so case
State over eighty five and a half with some juice
is what we're seeing out there. And I just want
to point out that, like if I if you forced
me to bet this game, I would still take Bowling
Green plus the points like that would be that would
be the only side I'd be interested in. I guess
the reason I am not or haven't done that yet
and probably won't. Is a my number came out right
on market, like twelve and a half or thirteen B.
Like my thing with Bowling Green, like I love what
I like about them this year is their athleticism and
their ability to defend, and I just don't know that
they can do those things against Kansas State for a
lot of the reasons that Rob just said. Now, if
they can, if they're scoring, Kansas State's are atrocious defensively,
Like there's still just a bad defensive team. So like
if you want to take a look at over one
sixth I could kind of see that getting there, especially
if this game does get into the scenario where like
you've got k State up ten or up twelve, and
now they're just not really trying anymore.
Speaker 2: At the defensive end, because like that's the thing.
Speaker 1: If Kansas State lets up a little bit, like Bowling
Green can put the ball in the hoop, They're just
like I just think that, like if if you get
them into like a scenario where they've got to run
a half court offense, they're gonna have to hit some threes.
And that's why I don't really want them on the
road in this spot. But Rob, I think you've got
yourself a smart team total. It feels like this is
probably pretty high scoring. We need to hit a parlay too.
Speaker 4: We've got after the one of the most incredible starts
to the history of any show in the history.
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Speaker 1: C Why b E R two zero, Brian Power, I
want to go back to you here because we were
just like, honestly, the feature game should have been Colorado
cal Baptist. So we're gonna do it. We're gonna do
a mid show part two feature here. Those are two
seven and oh teams that are that are getting together
tonight on ESPN Plus. This should be on actual television somewhere.
But at any rate, fire up your ESPN Plus subscription
for Colorado cal Baptist both seven, seven and zero.
Speaker 2: At the was it the Corps Events Center?
Speaker 1: I think it's called in Boulder, Colorado Kick us off here?
Speaker 2: BP. Do you have any interest in the dog.
Speaker 5: I'm yeah, kind of, I do.
Speaker 4: And I was very excited to talk about this game
because to me, it is the marquee matchup of Monday guys,
with both teams coming in undefeated. Colorado off to its
best start in seventy five years, cal Baptist off to
its best ever start in eight years at the D
one level. But this is one of those games trick
and we got in some trouble with this last week.
My power ratings were in line with where odds makers opened,
and now the line has moved and I'm at the
point where I'm showing value. I'm the dog getting it's
now off the twelve and a half. This has moved
I believe three points off the opener. I was very
excited to talk about. I think I need to be
careful with these because it's not it's not public money
that's moving these numbers.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Jake's comment? What do you
think about that both teams are a fake seven? And Oh,
I kind of agree with that a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, cal Baptist wasn't overall that it
was Saturday night they faced to Oregon State.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think you know.
Speaker 4: There's twenty five college basketball team still undefeated.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 5: If you were to rank those twenty five, cal Baptist
is certainly one of the weakest. Let me just go
to Ken quick.
Speaker 4: Cal Baptist would be the third weakest of the twenty
five remaining unbeaten teams. Colorado's actually a couple spots higher,
even though they're you know, Colorado sixty third.
Speaker 5: The Ken palund ratings cal Baptist one hundred and thirtieth.
Speaker 4: For the record, the only two unbeaten teams Ken Palm
has rated lower than cal Baptists would be Miami of
Ohio by one point, and then Buffalo up in your
neck of the woods is the lowest rated undefeated team
at Ken Pump.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll hop you in here, guys, Adam, I'll use
your term weight class. Cal Baptist picked by many to
win their league and off to a great start, but
facing a big twelve team on the road in altitude,
are they out of their weight class? A couple of
things that stick out to me here, guys. The height
advantage in this game is insane toward Colorado. Colorado the
twenty sixth tallest team in the nation, and they've got
four six or elevens or better. And cal Baptist runs around
out there with guards and swings and one center, and
to that point they are number one in the country
in defensive rebounding. We see a lot of these teams
in college basketball where the guards and the wings do
a whole bunch of rebounding. But then you run up
against a team with guys like Colorado has Dak and company.
Dak has been on fire lately for those who may
get to watch the stream and have never seen him play.
A seven to one guy who can put it on
the floor from beyond the three point arc and get
to the rim, just a multi skilled big guy, but
Colorado has multiple big guys. Just the rebounding edge to
me has to go to Colorado in a huge way here.
Even though cal Baptist does have that very gaudy number
one ranking. They're a good defensive team. Rick Croy known
for defense. A couple of things here. Both teams stop
there or excuse me. Colorado shoots the three real well.
Cal Baptist stops the three real well. Can Colorado make
their threes? I'm gonna give you because I'm the quotes
like you say, Brian, I'm gonna give you Tad Boyle,
who is always I don't know if there's a coach
that I don't want to say throws his team under
the bus but can be derogatory towards his team more
than Tad Boyle, I really don't. And here's what he said.
They just come off of winning the Actorssure Holiday tournament,
right and for him, he said, when our team puts
the Colorado name ahead of the name on the back
of their jersey, really good things can happen and you
can win championships. This was a small championship, but every
one of these tournaments played throughout the country, you have
an opportunity to compete for a championship. That's something we relished.
They came out victorious in there. That's Tad Boyle one
more time telling his team, you know, let's play as
a team. He seems to do that off and off
and off, and Colorado seems to be getting the message.
I wonder where side is concerned here. If you're off
a tournament championship and then you have cal Baptist. They
come with a seven to zero record. But how excited,
Are you really? I'm not sure. For cal Baptist the
other side of the coin, Rick Freuch, if I had
to downplay there win against Oregon State, basically says, I
don't want to call it a statement game. Let's just
call it a stamp on our record. Is the team
thoroughly excited that they beat Oregon State? I talked about
weight class, you would think Oregon State's a little bit
above weight class. I'm not sure I could give you reasons,
or I could use those two as arguments against one
hundred percent focus out of both of these teams. I
just if push came to shove here. You know, I
love the energy out of cal Baptist, but I just
think that at some point the physical difference at the rim,
the rim protection, the ability to get second chances, et cetera,
et cetera, probably outweighs what cal Baptist does best. Don't
like the line increase here whatsoever, So I won't play it.
But that's just my take on this particular game. As
we lose Triggs, so let me keep going here, or
maybe he'll hop right back.
Speaker 5: I thought that was me there. Hopefully that's computabile. I'll
tell you what the one day last week you missed Rob.
We had some technical difficulties.
Speaker 3: No, but keep going. Yeah, and Keith is absolutely right.
I mean, Daniel's at the point has been tremendous this year.
As we go through the comments here, but they're so again.
When you're four is six foot five, it's hard and
I get you know, energy wise, you can get to
the boards. But Colorado's got too many big guys. So
I don't know what more I can say about the
game right now, other than I didn't play. I can
see both arguments towards this game. Colorado has been an extremely,
extremely high scoring team. It's almost like I'm playing three
card Monthy on the New York City. The switching up
bases and that's the other thing Colorado can score. And
if this thing starts to create margin, is Colbat is
good enough to come back? Yeah.
Speaker 4: And we've seen games like this where the number moves
like this, where it's been spot on.
Speaker 3: Oh see, I thought it was underneath the first show,
but it's not that the first show is going now.
Speaker 5: Oh, I guess we will not have what's behind door
number three. I was all excited. I was going to
give out I don't know. I'm leaning towards Temple is
my leg of the parlay.
Speaker 4: Guys, I know that we you know, we're two thirds
of the way in the show, almost hit the forty
minute mark, and we've only got one leg of the
parlay in. That is Rob, who gave Kansas State team
total over at eighty five and a half against Bowling Green.
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Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 5: You're back, Trig.
Speaker 3: He's figuring it out. No, he's done.
Speaker 5: Doesn't see what I see you, Trig.
Speaker 3: But oh he's got he's telling us.
Speaker 5: Oh, no volume, no volume.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, Joe, we move to the next game here, Rob,
I think we've expanded on cal Baptist Colorado enough. I
think we should go to the next game. You want
to do Portland Stanford the late night game, because I've
got notes on Portland and our Portland. Yeah, Portland and Stanford. Here,
let me just make a note when we hit this,
yere all right, Portland Stanford. I think Rob, it is
very fair to ask what Stanford is going to have
left in the tank here. After a couple of crazy
wins in an emmet in an MTE out in Palm
Springs last week, they rally to beat Minnesota seventy two
to sixty eight in the closing minutes, then the miracle
buzzer beater to beat Saint Louis.
Speaker 5: If you guys haven't seen that, you'll want to google it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: The Cardinals are saying there's gonna be no letdown here.
Speaker 4: Of course that wouldn't they gonna say, Yeah, I think
we're gonna you know, it's probably going me be a
letdown and we're gonna suck our next game. No, they're
not going to say that publicly. But this is a
big number, Rob My concern to lay with against a
Portland team that is already three and oh straight up
against the number against California teams this season. Pilots beat
Long Beach State by twenty five and a half point
home favorite Wednesday.
Speaker 5: But what does it?
Speaker 4: What discourages me from the Portland side here? All of
their wins so far have come at home. Only true
road game to this point was in Laramie. Obviously, that's
a tough place to play against Wyoming. Portland gets buried
by thirty seven out there, though, That's that's a bad result.
Even as tough as it is to play in Laramie.
We've got some international flavor on this Portland roster. They
play fast, but turn it over a lot. Meanwhile, Stanford's
adjustin tempo even faster than Portland's. They're forcing a lot
of turnovers, do not give up many offensive rebounds top
ten in defensive rebound rate. My thought here, rob and
it may twist my arm a little bit for my
leg of the parlay. If you were to concur I
think Portland struggles to score here.
Speaker 3: And if so, if so, Brian, then you play this
game under one fifty five and a half. You know
whether the pace is what it's supposed to be by
numbers or not. I would to further on that, I
would worry about your first point here as somebody who
had the Saint Louis team total Saturday Night over seventy
nine and a half for eighty and a half. Excuse
me and watch Saint Louis run through Stanford like they
weren't even there in the first half. Saint Louis puts
up forty seven points and then come back in the
second half and can't make a shot. That's that happened
to us with Georgia when we're trying to win that
parla fifty three first half points and I was like,
you wonder what happens in the second half, But your
initial point was how much is left in the tank
for Stanford. Those were two incredible wins in a meaningful tournament.
Now you're back home as a seventeen and a half
point favorite in a less meaningful game. I just don't
know that the same amount of focus is provided out
of the Stanford team. And Portland, for what it's worth,
we talked about Delaware being extremely dependent, which a lot
of these low low mid majors i'll call them. What
a lot of these types of teams are is dependent
upon the three point line. Portland's the opposite. Portland. Inside
the arc is where they make their living and so
and you know, if fouls come into play here when
you're going and when you're attacking the rim, you draw
free throws, et cetera, et cetera. And I wonder if
the matchup here, if Stanford is any bit Lackaday's ago,
any bit lack of days. I know, and you know,
we use this kind of angle a lot in football, Brian,
where you know, situational letdown. And I just thought, and
college basketball teams have to get up even quicker as
far as time between games is concerned, you know what
I mean. You just want to turn over the weekend
now you're back home, and you gotta do it. I
just don't know that I could. I would say throwing
the statistics away is not a real good thing to do,
but lessening their value in this instance and putting more
credence into this situation. Portland obviously is going to come
in here. It's Stanford, for goodness sakes. They're going to
give it their best shot, you know, a David Deliath
type scenario, seventeen and a half point Doug for Stanford.
It could be just you know, get off of me
a little nets and they could probably turn it on
at the end if it's a close game. Maybe, and
this is dependent upon which way you think. There's two
sides of the fence here. But possibly if Stanford comes
out slow, you look Portland first half, and then maybe
Stanford wakes up and blows them out second half. That
could be a possibility too, But Portland might be good
enough to hang within seventeen and a half here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of concur to it is a major
lef thoughts about Stanford's got UNLV on deck. So if
you're wondering what they've got up next and trigger is
he able to speak?
Speaker 2: Can you can you guys hear me?
Speaker 3: Yes, we can.
Speaker 5: Can you hear us? Doesn't seem he can't hear us,
but we can hear him. Now. Yeah, it's going kind
of slow.
Speaker 2: Well, you're here.
Speaker 1: And when I was coming back in I had no audio,
so oh so yeah, this is uh what about now
is it?
Speaker 2: Has it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: The stream was a little was a little you were
moving in slow motion there.
Speaker 3: I felt like you're an ether over there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, I was gonna say, if
you're loathing in Las Vegas, Rob.
Speaker 5: I was in the car with Johnny Depp and Benicio
del Toro again, all right, all right, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I think let me just talk for a second. I
think I think it's all right. If not, my whole
thing just crashed out of nowhere. So yeah, I don't
know if I had.
Speaker 2: Too much stuff, but I really don't know what what That's.
Speaker 1: Never happened to me before. We're just a total just
everything just shut off. So I think we're we're back
or you guys, you guys can hear me, Okay, I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can hear you.
Speaker 4: We we we finished cal Baptist, Colorado. When we moved
on to Portland and Stanford. I think the general consensus
was between Rob and I. It's obviously a very tough
spot for Stanford coming off the crazy wins in the
MT last week.
Speaker 5: So you know, we shall see.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's a big number to lay after,
you know, an incredible win against Saint Louis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I we can.
Speaker 1: Did you guys do I'm sorry, Brian, did you give
your parlay legout yet?
Speaker 4: I haven't, but I'm gonna do it right now as
a matter of fact, because we go ahead and do it.
Speaker 5: The numbers moving and and I've struggled, guys. It's a
limited slate. I was looking I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 4: I was looking at the McNee state incarnate word under
but that number has moved too much. I don't think
we want to be you know, after the number moves
what now five and a half points. I don't know
if as Rob would say, you don't want to get
the ass end of the number.
Speaker 5: Now we are going to play a number that has moved.
Speaker 4: It's a game we talked about earlier, but it hasn't
moved enough to the point where I don't want to
take it. Let's take Temple play US thirteen we taught.
Trigg mentioned the reasons he doesn't like this Villanova team.
I broke down the matchup is Temple, you know, five
straight ats losses here, I think there's some value. This
is a team again that was favored against Ucee San Diego,
a team that is still underfeed. I think we all
have a lot of respect for Ucee San Diego. I
know Temple's had their issues defensively. I think they can
clean that up a little bit. I think the Villanova
three point shooting that we saw in this meeting last year,
that we saw against Sacred Heart older in the season,
I think there is some regression there, Rob reg of
the quotes, the coach quotes. I think Temple's going to
come in with the game plan. I think they can
stay within a double digit spread here. So give me
the owls plus thirteen again, No, Duke Brennan for Villanova
Nation's leaguing rebounder as well. Temple is a good rebounding team.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, no, I agree with that, and I'll
go I'll go to my parlay league here. I saw
Keith buy you bets Landry brought this game up and
this so this is the game you were going to
talk about a second ago. Brian McNeese State, incurrenit word.
We have some conference play on December one. This is
a Southland Conference game. I saw the line go nuts.
I really don't understand why it was, you know, moving
in the direction it is. I really like increneit word here.
I think that they are a very undervalued sort of
team at this in this league. I think if there's
going to be a team that, uh, that presses McNeese
State at the top of this conference, it is increnit word.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: They are a team that I've been talking about really
since the beginning of the season. They brought in Todje Tovesky.
They brought from Canisius and Cleveland State. Todje Toveski a
big reason that Brian powers Cleveland State Vikings. I know
he's not a fan of them, but they're in his backyard.
Had such a good year last year. He goes down
to increneit word and then you've got You've got Harold
Woods from Northeastern. Uh, he was a guy I liked that.
Northeastern was surprised to see him down there. They were
able to keep Jordan Pike, who had a great CBI
last year. So like, for me, like this team has
a ton of upside. McNeice was getting bet this morning,
like like people were out and and I don't I've
been really trying to confirm that over the last hour
or so. I don't see anything about increnet word missing
players for this game. And it is it is a
conference game, so it's not gonna be like just a
game that they're not gonna you know that that that
like they can just take off if you will.
Speaker 2: So I think and I've.
Speaker 1: Been seeing this a lot in college basketball these days,
like where there's a lot of head bakes in the
market and there is a lot of setting up, and
I think what happened here is uh, someone sharp that
McNee state knowing that everyone would piggyback their McNee state
action because of course McNee state is a sort of
a known commodity.
Speaker 2: It's a short slate McNeice.
Speaker 1: I believe they won every game in that tournament they
played down in the Cayman Islands. So like their profile
is is you know, will Wade inflated even though he's
no longer there, This game is at incrent word like
this is this line is out of control, and so
I actually think I'm gonna throw this in on the
client card.
Speaker 2: Brian.
Speaker 1: While I'm doing that, can you tell me what the
is it still ten and a half? I think I'm
seeing mostly ten and a half.
Speaker 3: Ten and a half.
Speaker 4: Ten and a half is the consensus line. Yes, there
are some elevens that are beginning to show in the market.
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, like eleven is crazy. There's no way it
can go higher than eleven.
Speaker 1: This open seven and a half initial bump was to
nine and a half. I was ready to play back
at nine and a half byou Betts is finishing my
handicap in the chat, I know, but this is I
almost want BYU Betts to get up here and just
talk about this game. He's a South Conference guy, he's
a Southeast Louisiana guy, follows this conference as close as
anyone does. This game was sixty five sixty seven last
year at McNeese against Wade's team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Another point that I sort of already started is like
Pike comes back, they return all of these players, and
then they get a guy like taj Taveski who there
was a point in time I wrote an article about
this like two or three years ago where when he
was going into his sophomore season at Canisius, I thought
he could win MAC Player of the Year. Like I
literally thought he was going to be one of the
best three or four players in the MAC. And he
got hurt two games into the season never played the
rest of the year. Last year, he ends up sort
of flying under the radar. Really good at Cleveland State
increnet word has a roster that's better than the rest
of the Southland. The only team in the Southland that's
better is McNee State. They're not eleven points better, especially
with the game at increnet Words, so that will be.
We'll take ten and a half of the parlay. If
you can get eleven, that's great. But yeah, that's what
my parlay league's gonna be.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 5: I want to recap the parlay now here, trig.
Speaker 1: No, I actually want you guys to talk about a
different game while I catch up.
Speaker 2: So yeah, throw throw Brian throwing out there that we.
Speaker 1: Haven't talked about yet, because I don't even know what
we've talked about. It was I was locked off for
ten minutes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember it was.
Speaker 4: You know what, they're one of the there's two games
that I think we can mention we can hit on.
I want to do Tarletan State Cincinnati or Saint Francis Xavior.
Cincinnati plays coming up, so it's arguably a look ahead
spot for both teams.
Speaker 5: You want to do Tarletan State here, I can. I
can hit that, So.
Speaker 1: Hold on, yeah, kick that one off. I got some
thoughts there as well.
Speaker 5: Okay, let me just know that, all right?
Speaker 4: Uh, tarlet And State and Cincinnati guys. Cincinnati, Uh, trick,
I believe you mentioned this last week's show. A horrific
loss sixty four to fifty six. Last week, Bearcats were
twenty four and a half point home favorites in that
game never led. That's a very bad result for a
proud program. And that's now four straight games where the
Bearcats have failed to cover the number guys, two outright
losses in that stretch, the other one against Louisville obviously
far more excusable. One might think smash spot here for Cincy,
but as I just noted, they got Zavyar on deck.
Speaker 5: That's always a big rivalry game. You guys know that.
Speaker 4: Plus the Bearcat's dealing with two key injuries, Boba Miller
and Jalen Celestin. Celestin the result of these injuries has
been a slower pace and predictably worse offense. Now, I
don't exactly want to run to the window to bet
tarlet and State either, Treg. I know that you have
that very nice gear on right here.
Speaker 5: I know that you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this is a Tarletan team that was actually
trailing D two Midwestern State by eleven at the half
on Friday.
Speaker 5: So both teams are coming off.
Speaker 4: They did come back unlike Cincinnati, so these are two
teams not exactly off their finest hour. Tarlan, also, I
believe Trey correct me for wrong. They're without two of
their top three scores as well. So, guys, if you're
looking about this game, let's monitor the injury news. Maybe
Robert Trigg has some more insight there looking at the
odd screen. We've seen his total get bent up. If
these injuries are if these guys are still out, I
would lean I'd punch back at the market here maybe
and consider.
Speaker 3: It under.
Speaker 1: That that probably makes the most sense, and I'll leave
the total for rob All. I'm gonna say, yes, I did.
I did throw the Tarleton shirt on today. I wanted
to support the guys. I have some friends down there.
I love it Stevenville, Texas. Hope to get back down
there this year.
Speaker 2: I do think. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Dior Johnson didn't play in the in Tarleton's most
recent game, there was another one of their top players.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was McDowell.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have it off hand. But the point is,
like I think that's probably priced in already. I don't
know how it is, because like I don't know how
like they would, you know, like assume that those guys
are out. But this number tells me that the assumption
is that Tarleton's gonna be a little shorthanded here, I
would have like full strength.
Speaker 2: I make this probably.
Speaker 1: Closer to like thirteen, so eighteen, like there's I to me,
there's no there's no value there in laying it with Cincy,
Like I think that that's what the number should be,
assuming Deor is not gonna play or whoever whoever else
is out. Yeah, Eastern Michigan to go in there and
and just win that game the way they did. I mean,
I mean that's Eastern Michigan is still like a work
in progress. Like I think that's is that still stand
heath there. Maybe he's got a couple of guys and
like he you know, I noted a couple of weeks
ago when we talked about Eastern Michigan that the roster
has some intriguing pieces, but man to just get like
wired a wire beat in your home building by that team,
and Cincinnati's got another couple. There was another game where
they weren't particularly impressive. I mean, that's really what I've got.
I don't think I could. I got nothing to to
really push you one way or the other. I would
just say, like if you're taking since thinking that, oh
Tarlton's missing a couple of guys like, to me, that's already.
Speaker 2: Reflected in the line, So I don't think that should
be your reasoning. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: I would think Adam that just from a you know,
components of handicap standpoint, you've had since Wednesday to stew
over that Eastern Michigan loss, especially if you're the head coach.
Speaker 1: I think they played after that. I think they had
one after that.
Speaker 5: Cincinnati. No, I don't think they did.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I thought they played n j I T or was
that before? That was before disregard so he had like
five days.
Speaker 3: And the common thought process here, at least for me,
would be your home you're off a horrendous home loss.
You're coming out from the opening tip on fire. First
half numbers Cincinnati ten and a half. However, in college basketball,
I think what we've learned, I don't know that this
has changed, guys over, I don't know. I've been doing
this as a profession since nineteen ninety two, so thirty
three years. I don't think this has changed. In college basketball,
guards dictate everything, and when you have guard injuries and
you have the coach telling you that their guard rotations
are significantly affected by the injuries, and to say I'm
very disappointed. Adversity struck not the way we wanted it to.
But now we have to try and handle it the
right way. That means we can't accept that. We have
to learn from it become a better team because of it.
That'll be our approach moving forward. It's all well and
good to say all of that, but guard rotations that
are disjointed affect everything on a college basketball team. I
mean again, I don't think that's changed in thirty three years.
You can have a couple of bigs out, it's just
not as important as having your guard rotations messed up.
For that reason, I can't live by the theory that
Cincinnati should come out on iron cover this thing. But
you know they're laid ten and a half first half.
Is a banged up team, but a fairly decent team.
I'm just not sure there's the right way to play this.
You know, I can understand the situational I can't understand
laying these types of points with Cincinnati. A team that
can't score, can't lay eighteen and a half, right, guys,
how do you do that? It just makes no sense.
Speaker 4: And Cincinnati's always awful of free throw shooting. I don't
have their percentage in front of me right now, you're
to date. But I feel that I've bet on since
the anytime I bet on Cincinnati. Feel I've been let
down by bad.
Speaker 5: Free throw shooting once or twice and a couple of
twenty years. Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: I feel it's never That's what I'm saying. Like, I
can't remember if he asked me to pinpoint what years
some of those games were.
Speaker 5: I don't know. It kind of runs together this point,
but no, Cincinnati's not a good free throw shooting team.
Speaker 4: And how arrogant is this j Buff by the way
coming in at the end of the program, just to
hype the New York Football Giant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's a basketball show leading them out of
the tunnel.
Speaker 2: What I'd rather talk about that would be aggressive.
Speaker 1: Let's let's get one warrant, Let's get one morning at
the gun. Some people asked about UAB Middle Tennessee State.
All I have to say about this is I did
I see it's moving, and I kind of agree with
the move I thought when it got up to it
got up to three and a half at one point
this morning, U A B minus three and a half.
I thought that was a little high. That being said,
I didn't I didn't show enough of an edge to
play Middle Tennessee State.
Speaker 2: But that is the way I would have leaned at
that number.
Speaker 1: Now that it's two and a half and two, I
don't really have anything like I don't really have anything
like pertinent here, but like a bunch of people asked
and uh, oh, we got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's right.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna pivot here because that there was a
request for West Georgia Troy, and because my whole system
was crashing, I missed it. So we're gonna go to
that game West Georgia Troy. For Garth, my number was
quite a bit off of this one. I actually show
a good amount of value here on West Georgia. Plus
the points that being said, I don't think West Georgia's
roster is like great and and this is would be
play playing Troy, would be playing up for them. Scott Cross,
I do think has a very good team. He's played
a lot of very challenging games to this point, Like
look at what Troy has done in the non conference.
They went and played those games against San Diego State,
beat them, USC took them to triple overtime tournament. I
think they played Toledo. That's a game that I thought
they would have fared veteran. So it's like, on one hand,
my number's way off and my numbers suggest West Georgia
is to play. On the other hand, you know, does
Toledo sort of like or just does Troy kind of
get right by like really playing an inferior opponent that
has far and away inferior talent.
Speaker 2: So I guess I'll throw it to you guys. Anything
Troy or West Georgia.
Speaker 5: I got nothing on this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like we're pressed for time too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a sloppy return from feast week. Partially
my fault. My whole thing crashed. I will have that
figured out. I will have that figured out by by tomorrow.
So I apologize that my system crash and blew up
the show. Dan h Wins says West Georgia five, and
oh ats run since opener lost to Nebraska, it is
a lot of points. Here's here's all I'll leave it with.
West Georgia. Is that that team they're they're new to
Division one. I think this is their second year in
Division one. They're in the the A Sun Conference. I
still think it's a roster with a lot of D
two talent. Okay, so proceed at your own sort of
like risk if you will. Like this reminds me of
the le Moyne team that went D two to D
one a couple of years ago. I watched I got
to watch a bunch of their games, and that team.
Every once in a while they would punch up and
cover a number, and then they'd show up to a
game and get lasted by thirty five points. I kind
of feel like that's what West Georgia is. So by numbers,
if you just trust my numbers being right, Wes George
is to play. I show a pretty big discrepancy with
where the my number is and where the market is
on this game. But I personally don't know if I
want to poke the bear when Troy sort of stepping
back down in class. Okay, all right, we've made it
to the end of the show. I will recap the parley.
I will recap listen, Brian Power teased it. The parlay
has we came out on fire hit three to the
first week. We've now gone three weeks without hitting one,
We've hit a bunch of two of three. Even with
all the dust settling, we are still up point two
point zero two to unit. So we are essentially after
all that and all those losses the past couple.
Speaker 2: Of weeks, we're putting on the year.
Speaker 1: We're still even on the year with the parlays, and
we're going to try to start a new run. Today
is the is the start of a new run for
the parlay, hopefully for all of us as well. The
three teamer tonight, Rob Veno is going with k State
over eighty five and a half. Brian Powers says, Temple
plus thirteen was it yep? And then I will use
increnit word listen. I gave Increnitate word out plus eleven
as a client play. The eleven's are definitely out there,
there's plenty of them, but for the parlay, you know,
I'll make it eleven for the parlay, and I'll just
attach some juice to that as well, because I do
think eleven is pretty widely available at this point. And
then I've put juice on Rob's leg of the parlor
as well.
Speaker 2: So you have a three teamer.
Speaker 1: We're gonna call it plus five forty odds. Basically, that's
got two minus one twenties in there, Kansas State team
total over eighty five and a half. Increnate word plus eleven,
and then Brian Powers going with temple plus thirteen. BIU,
Betsy is increnate word out right tonight. That would be awesome.
I would love to see that. That's the end of
your show for today. We apologize for some technical difficulties.
Speaker 2: Really I do.
Speaker 1: Brian and Rob didn't do anything wrong. That was my
system that blew up. But we'll have that figured out tomorrow.
We'll be back tomorrow at ten am. Check out the
Cyber Monday specials on the wager Talk site and we'll
see you guys in the morning.
Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in.