Speaker 1: Welcome to the two seventeen Recovery Broadcast. If you don't
Speaker 1: make mistakes, you won't learn. With your host Corey Winfield,
Speaker 1: you know how you know fish as bad as you
Speaker 1: can't put it on pizza and special guest Justin Burke.
Speaker 2: I said something about that to our master radio broadcaster
Speaker 2: and he said that he didn't hear nothing. Got your ass.
Speaker 1: It is October twenty fourth, twenty twenty four. My name's
Speaker 1: Corey Winfield, and that this is the two seventeen Recovery podcast,
Speaker 1: which is actually taken today from a recovery Dance podcast,
Speaker 1: which we'll get into a little bit more. But Justin
Speaker 1: Burke with me today. How you doing, Justin?
Speaker 2: I'm doing fabulous, bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how's life? Man?
Speaker 2: Life's been a struggle lately. But I think it's a
Speaker 2: lot to do within myself, you know, realizing how to
Speaker 2: rate raise teenagers. You know, everyone knows that my daughter
Speaker 2: recently came to live with me, like about two months ago.
Speaker 1: Had good job with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. I appreciate all the support I got
Speaker 2: from everyone I know. But I have to realize where
Speaker 2: her standard used to be at and where my standards
Speaker 2: at it when she ain't like trying to get there.
Speaker 2: It really infuriates me. Mmm, you know, because it's like,
Speaker 2: I know what you're capable of, and you just choose not.
Speaker 1: To a lot of it might be too And this
Speaker 1: is just me just chiming in here. I know you
Speaker 1: didn't ask for any advice, but I noticed this when
Speaker 1: I came to work today. And Marnie does this at
Speaker 1: the house sometimes, and she does it here all the time.
Speaker 1: She doesn't reset the microwave. It's a I think it's
Speaker 1: a woman thing. Like there's a clock on the microwave
Speaker 1: which I like to use use to see what time
Speaker 1: it is. Oh, I'm going places, and so if there's
Speaker 1: something in the microwave here at work, and I'll come
Speaker 1: in and it'll say twenty three seconds. Yeah, this morning
Speaker 1: sixteen seconds, I'm like, Marnie wasn't even here. And then
Speaker 1: it hit me, Oh, Corey Smoker uses the microwave. She's
Speaker 1: a woman. Maybe it's a woman like that. There's clearly
Speaker 1: a little cancel button, like after you get your stuff out,
Speaker 1: you can hit cancel. Yeah, bring it back to zeros,
Speaker 1: you know, Like nah, So it could be a little
Speaker 1: bit just that she's a girl and some of the
Speaker 1: stuff is just naturally built into her brain to well,
Speaker 1: why would I hit the cancel button? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: start leaving the toilet seat up, you know, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like and so be like that bugs me.
Speaker 2: Dad. I'm like, well, okay, I said it in a
Speaker 2: bowl full of water last night.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about compromise. I'll put the seat down and
Speaker 1: you start doing things, you know, it hit the clear
Speaker 1: on them. And to be fair, Marti doesn't really do
Speaker 1: that much at home anymore, but back in the day, man,
Speaker 1: she would do it a lot. And she think she
Speaker 1: still does it here when she does come to work
Speaker 1: here and she's in the office, you know, I'll see
Speaker 1: some twenty three seconds or thirty six seconds on there,
Speaker 1: and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, I re microwave at work. I mean it's a
Speaker 2: good microwave, but I don't know how to use it.
Speaker 2: I mean I just hit the little play button on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I mean besides that, like I don't know what
Speaker 2: those there's side buttons on it in a dial and
Speaker 2: I'm like, huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not built for like functional functionality. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: built for looks. Yeah, aesthetics, because it's like a green,
Speaker 1: and we got it from best Buy seventy eight bucks
Speaker 1: or something that it's like mint green, and it goes
Speaker 1: with the retro refrigerator that's mint green that we have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like, hey, let me hit the cook button.
Speaker 1: There's no cook button. There's just a bunch of like
Speaker 1: play and pause and like four. It's almost like it's
Speaker 1: a like an iPod or something, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and we only have that really because Marty likes to
Speaker 1: heat up her coffee.
Speaker 2: Yes, scalding hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the only reason we have a microwave here.
Speaker 1: You know, Miss Smoker thinks it's to actually microwave food.
Speaker 1: I think Mitch does too. Yeah, it's like, oh guys,
Speaker 1: that's really not for food. That's just for coffee. But okay,
Speaker 1: I think that was our thinking behind getting it too.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, then people won't think they can cook
Speaker 1: in here, because you know, I mean, if you ever
Speaker 1: had an office or somewhere and somebody's making some food,
Speaker 1: nine times out of ten it smells gross. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only thing that ever smells good coming out of
Speaker 2: a microwave in a workplace studying is popcorn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you burn it. Yeah, unless you burn it,
Speaker 1: then you kissed people off and you're like, dude, what
Speaker 1: the fuck you didn't set a time around that. You know,
Speaker 1: he couldn't stand there next to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the two and a half minutes it takes
Speaker 2: to pop.
Speaker 1: A bay, it clearly was done. Yeah, but that that
Speaker 1: is the only good thing that really comes out of it.
Speaker 1: And unless you're eating it, I guess it can smell okay,
Speaker 1: but man, most of the time, it's.
Speaker 2: Just, yeah, it smells gross, and I think hot dogs
Speaker 2: are the worst smell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mitch, we had a George Foreman little Foreman thing here, yeah,
Speaker 1: that I bought when we were doing the the mobile
Speaker 1: unit with ATS, and I brought that. I'm like, hey man,
Speaker 1: we can coax some hot dogs for people or something,
Speaker 1: you know, and then it it just brought it back
Speaker 1: here to the office when we stopped doing that, and
Speaker 1: then Mitch decided it was going to be his personal
Speaker 1: hot dog maker. Yeah, right next to it, Like, stop
Speaker 1: making hot dogs in that at least clean the mfort. Nope,
Speaker 1: we started making hot dogs again. So I was like, here,
Speaker 1: I'm throwing it away, and I think Kim took it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what she did with it. But I
Speaker 1: was like, get this out of the office now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, miss isn't gonna buy a new one. No, plce,
Speaker 1: I forbid it.
Speaker 2: There's so many forbidden things around the office.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, thanks. Yeah, sometimes you gotta lay it down
Speaker 1: like that. But nah, So back to the daughter. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things, you know, like have
Speaker 1: you read books? Have you like looked at videos online?
Speaker 1: Like how do I deal with a teenage daughter? Do
Speaker 1: you want to make a video?
Speaker 2: Like? No, no, actually I did it. I really talked
Speaker 2: to Miss Smoker who's had a teenage daughter, and you know,
Speaker 2: and it's tried navigating through life with a daughter, you know,
Speaker 2: and because boys are different than girls when raising them,
Speaker 2: they just are Our brain chemistry is not the same.
Speaker 2: Some people are smarter. Some people say boys' brains are
Speaker 2: mush because there's so much testosterone pumping through their body. So,
Speaker 2: you know, so I talked to her quite a bit
Speaker 2: the other day about it, and you know, that's where
Speaker 2: she told me, you know, you know, just in her
Speaker 2: bar was so low as long as she went to
Speaker 2: school and was out of their hair, they didn't care.
Speaker 1: How about your daughter and how it used to be yeah.
Speaker 2: To where I am at now, you know, where I
Speaker 2: do actually care. At home, I check her grades all
Speaker 2: the time, and it's like, well, you're capable of doing this,
Speaker 2: just do it and just get it done, you know.
Speaker 2: And she's like, but you have to meet somewhere in
Speaker 2: the middle, because you just can't go from someone not
Speaker 2: totally not giving a shit about somebody to someone that
Speaker 2: does actually care about you. How well do you think
Speaker 2: that's gonna work? You know when we see that a
Speaker 2: lot in recovery too. You know, when someone dives head
Speaker 2: first into something because they start getting attention or whatever.
Speaker 2: Then it's just like, well, the other person's standard wasn't
Speaker 2: where you thought it was at, and it's a letdown,
Speaker 2: a huge letdown, like crush somebody. Yeah, And you know,
Speaker 2: in some aspect, I did feel crushed by my own daughter,
Speaker 2: you know, because she wasn't before being the way I
Speaker 2: wanted her to. And I just have to realize the
Speaker 2: shithole that she came from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, and not to like bash excess
Speaker 1: or anything. You know, maybe the situation it was different
Speaker 1: for the mother too, you know, maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: we don't know what they were going through either. You know,
Speaker 1: so we can't really put ourselves in their shoes because
Speaker 1: we don't really know. But all we know is he
Speaker 1: here's the attitude, and here's the expectations that she has,
Speaker 1: and they're very low. And that's not how daddy plays
Speaker 1: the game, you know, Like that's not how we do it.
Speaker 2: That's not how I was raised. Like my bar was set.
Speaker 2: Here's the bar. You do this where you go above it,
Speaker 2: you go blow it. You're getting your ass probably whooped.
Speaker 2: We're doing some hard work around the house something. You know,
Speaker 2: you're gonna lose your dirt bike, your snowmobile, You're gonna
Speaker 2: lose all your fun lit toys that you have. And
Speaker 2: some people think may think I was spoiled, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's not like my dirt bike was brand new. It
Speaker 2: was something from the seventies, so it was like thirty
Speaker 2: forty years old when I got it, you know, same
Speaker 2: day with my snowmobile. It's not like I mean, they
Speaker 2: were good running machines when my mom bottom, but it's
Speaker 2: not like they were brand new like Stay of the
Speaker 2: Arc where I could take them out on the trails
Speaker 2: and go ride them. I just lived in an area
Speaker 2: where we could ride them and not have to worry
Speaker 2: about stickering them because we didn't have registrations to none
Speaker 2: of them. You know. The dirt bikes were bought from
Speaker 2: some dude down in Scottville, Michigan. He had a full
Speaker 2: barn full of like old dirt bikes and motorcycles he
Speaker 2: would sell parts off of. And my mom went to
Speaker 2: him and said, well, I need two dirt bikes for
Speaker 2: my boys. He goes, well, I got titles for these,
Speaker 2: but they run really good. And we bought them, you know,
Speaker 2: and they ask no questions. We took up home and
Speaker 2: drove them until they puked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and got them taken away if you did bad shit, right,
Speaker 1: But I wish we could go back to the school
Speaker 1: with our children. Is there like a day where you
Speaker 1: can do.
Speaker 2: That, Oh, like going to the class with your child?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they say, you know, you want to walk
Speaker 1: a mile in her shoes, you know, put yourself on
Speaker 1: her shoes. Because you remember back in the day it
Speaker 1: was so much pressure when the teachers would start talking
Speaker 1: about well, once you get out there in the real world,
Speaker 1: once you get a job, you know, boss is going
Speaker 1: to let you come in three minutes late. Blah blah,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah and what are you gonna do? And
Speaker 1: it was so much focus on what are you going
Speaker 1: to do next? And I didn't have a clue. Man,
Speaker 1: I wanted to go home and play Nintendo, right, you know,
Speaker 1: but the people were making us make portfolios. And then
Speaker 1: as we got closer to graduating graduating, it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: what are you going to go to do college? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to go to college,
Speaker 1: you know. And then the school I went to we
Speaker 1: had a tool and die program machine shop and there
Speaker 1: were a lot of toolande places in the area, so
Speaker 1: he could be a mold maker, even a die maker
Speaker 1: or whatever. But that's what they kind of pushed you to,
Speaker 1: you know, and you can make you know, sixty grand
Speaker 1: a year or something. You know, they're oh, wow, that's
Speaker 1: a lot. And look at all these new trucks these
Speaker 1: guys are driving, and you're like, wow, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I didn't really want to do it, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: until I was fired from my BS high school job.
Speaker 1: I was working at a store in Coloma called the Hilltop,
Speaker 1: but I was in radio shack department, which whatever we
Speaker 1: sold radio shack batteries, but they also rented videos, and
Speaker 1: I didn't even like, normally you would have to get
Speaker 1: hired in as a bagger because it's a gcery store.
Speaker 1: It's called Hartings now. But they I knew somebody and
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, I'm looking for a job. They're like, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: So I kind of got hired into the video department
Speaker 1: and that pissed a lot of people off. My friends
Speaker 1: who had been working there for months as baggers, were
Speaker 1: waiting to get transferred to the radio shack department. Here
Speaker 1: I just come inop you know, all Corey style free
Speaker 1: pass a Corey might as well. And it was pretty
Speaker 1: cool job, you know, brinting movies to people on the weekends.
Speaker 1: It was fun. Friend of mine, Jamie Riley, he lived
Speaker 1: in the next city over in Watervliet, and he was
Speaker 1: like their class clown and I was the class clown
Speaker 1: of Global. So put us together. It was trouble. We
Speaker 1: did so much fun stuff and oh my god, it
Speaker 1: was it was too much. And then we had a
Speaker 1: contest of who can rent the most free videos. Sounded
Speaker 1: like genius to us. It's called embezzlement to the company,
Speaker 1: and so they fired us and I'm like wow, because
Speaker 1: when they call us in because we were playing football,
Speaker 1: like with we had a tape ball and then we
Speaker 1: had like a roll of paper towels that were unopened
Speaker 1: and he would go down Aisle four and I would
Speaker 1: chuck it up. He would catch it, you know, or
Speaker 1: right hear it hit some stuff, you know. I'm like, oh, damn, well,
Speaker 1: this one lady. We were playing tape ball, but it
Speaker 1: was kind of a fastball and we were going through
Speaker 1: the movie aisles and we maybe had hit this woman
Speaker 1: with the tap ball in their head, and we thought
Speaker 1: that's what we're getting fired for. So we were kind
Speaker 1: of surprised and it kind of relieved. And they're like, no,
Speaker 1: this is embezzlement and I'm like huh. They're like, but
Speaker 1: we're not going to press charges, but you're fired. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, because I thought this was about
Speaker 1: the tape ball incident, because I thought they were going
Speaker 1: to show me the tape, which I was kind of
Speaker 1: interested to watch. But nah, So they got fired from that,
Speaker 1: and then I didn't know what I was going to do.
Speaker 1: My mom was like, look, you got three months left,
Speaker 1: pore you graduate. How about you just focused on that
Speaker 1: make sure you graduate and think about what you really
Speaker 1: want to do in life. What do you want to do?
Speaker 1: Corey and I really thought about it. And it was
Speaker 1: before spring break, I remember, because I was going to
Speaker 1: Arizona to see my dad, and I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to be an entertainment I want to be
Speaker 1: on TV. I want to be on radio. And there's
Speaker 1: a radio station Ben Harbor. So I remember I called
Speaker 1: up the radio station and I talked to this guy.
Speaker 1: He was on the air. His name was Chad West,
Speaker 1: and he answered, you know, and I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm in high school right now, but I really I
Speaker 1: really want to work in radio. You know, could you
Speaker 1: give me some advice? And he was like yeah. He's like, first,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to call the program director. His
Speaker 1: name's Mike Thomas. You know, call two six nine nine,
Speaker 1: two five eleven eleven. Asked for Mike, and you know,
Speaker 1: see if there's anything opening like board op, because you
Speaker 1: can start out as a board op and kind of
Speaker 1: work your way up, but that that's how you get in.
Speaker 1: And Chad was really cool with me on the phone.
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, great, So I called
Speaker 1: and I think I talked to Mike Thomas, like right away,
Speaker 1: and he told me call back in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: He might have something coming open. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: remotes going on in the summer where people go out
Speaker 1: and broadcast and someone needs to be at the station
Speaker 1: run the board. And that's how it worked back in
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety six, and I was like, all right, cool.
Speaker 1: So I went out of vacation or whatever, I went
Speaker 1: to spring break, came back and I was all kind
Speaker 1: of pumped about it, and I called him back and
Speaker 1: went to voicemail, called him back the next day, went
Speaker 1: to voicemail, called him for like two weeks straight, went
Speaker 1: to voicemail, and I remember getting so pissed, like is
Speaker 1: this guy gonna freaking call me back? But I'm like, hey, Mike,
Speaker 1: it's Cory again. Just just call him check in. And
Speaker 1: then he finally calls me back and I get it
Speaker 1: home and there's a message on my answering machine, so
Speaker 1: I have online in my room.
Speaker 2: Really now, that's being spoiled, girl.
Speaker 1: Call my mind and yeah, because that back in the day,
Speaker 1: man he had to like wait for someone to go
Speaker 1: off the phone, and I wasn't trying to do none
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: I bet not no.
Speaker 1: So I'm like he had to take the phone with
Speaker 1: the cord and you'd be in the kitchen because that
Speaker 1: usually had the longest one, and you'd been trying to
Speaker 1: like I had nobody to hear you, and you go
Speaker 1: sit on the steps and nah. I just was like,
Speaker 1: can I just get my own phone? I'll pay for it.
Speaker 2: Things, But it was h.
Speaker 1: It was then, you know, when I finally called him,
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, seems like you really want a
Speaker 1: job pretty bad once you come in. So I did.
Speaker 1: I came in and in school made me make this
Speaker 1: portfolio and a stupid picture on the front. Here's my achievements,
Speaker 1: which I don't even know what was in there. And
Speaker 1: I handed to him like here's my portfolio. He just
Speaker 1: looks at it, throws it to the side. It's like,
Speaker 1: all right, so here's the deal, you know, like la
Speaker 1: da da da da. It seems like you really want
Speaker 1: a job here, And I was like I do, and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, board op consists of this and you
Speaker 1: can come in Sunday mornings at six am to run
Speaker 1: boot scoot and Boogie nights or days or I think
Speaker 1: Bootgooting Nights is on Saturday Nights or something anyway. I
Speaker 1: was like, whatever, yep, I'll do it. I ain't care.
Speaker 1: I hated country music, but here I am playing like
Speaker 1: Bob Kinksley's Top forty Country Countdown. But it got me
Speaker 1: in the door man. And then doing the two Way,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, Mike, he got thirty seconds and he'd
Speaker 1: be like, okay, you know you let him know, Hey,
Speaker 1: thirty cents should be talking. And he's like, hey man,
Speaker 1: you got a real good voice on the two Way?
Speaker 1: Do you want to do you ever think about being
Speaker 1: on the air. I'm like, of course, dude. He's like,
Speaker 1: all right, won't you come in and do overnights on
Speaker 1: the weekend. You can start talking at two am. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, okay, so I going at like eleven
Speaker 1: or midnight and then at two am for like that
Speaker 1: first weekend, like I went live and oh my god,
Speaker 1: I was so scared. It sounded similar to this irak
Speaker 1: on O seven best rocking Hits Corey White. So that's
Speaker 1: why I called myself at first, and they only lasted
Speaker 1: that one day, and I'm like, nah, just use your
Speaker 1: real name, like too many people are going to know
Speaker 1: you and using a fake last name, and just it
Speaker 1: didn't feel right. It felt like I was trying to
Speaker 1: be somebody else. And yeah, if I want to talk
Speaker 1: about my mom or my dad or my brother or
Speaker 1: my sister, I want it to be real. I don't
Speaker 1: want it to be like, oh yeah, I got this
Speaker 1: fake name and I'm this fake person. I'm just like
Speaker 1: now I'm telling real life stories here. And that helped
Speaker 1: me establish like my personality on the radio. But back
Speaker 1: to the whole setup of this is and tell my
Speaker 1: mom really asked me that question and let me think
Speaker 1: about it. You know, I didn't have teachers tell me
Speaker 1: what I should do, schools pushing their agenda on you. Hey,
Speaker 1: be a tool and die maker, you know, like all
Speaker 1: these other things, Like when I could just sit back
Speaker 1: and real, like what do I want to do? Well?
Speaker 1: I want I love entertaining people, I love making people laugh.
Speaker 1: Let let me do that. And what resources are around?
Speaker 1: You know, It's like, well, there's a radio station ten
Speaker 1: miles away, Like, let me pick up the phone and
Speaker 1: call and Chad us was cool. He ended up getting
Speaker 1: fired right away after I started, but I hope he's
Speaker 1: doing well. But it was cool that he answered the phone.
Speaker 1: If I would call another one, there's two or three.
Speaker 1: If I would have called, they just want to hung
Speaker 1: up by me. You don't want to do this, dude,
Speaker 1: There's no money in it, and they would have hung up, right.
Speaker 1: But Chav is really really cool. And Phil Becker, who
Speaker 1: like own some radio stations now, I guess in Indiana,
Speaker 1: and he was one of the guys that taught me
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff too. And I would come in
Speaker 1: when I wasn't working and he would let me. I
Speaker 1: would go in the production room and make fake tapes
Speaker 1: and I would go give him to him and he'd
Speaker 1: be like, Nope, that sucks. Do this. Don't say it
Speaker 1: like that. Do like this. This is how you structure
Speaker 1: your brakes. This is what you need to do. And
Speaker 1: he phil Becker really helped me a lot, just with
Speaker 1: the very simple basic stuff right and the rest, you know,
Speaker 1: I just kind of worked on. But it was cool.
Speaker 1: I phil Becker told me how to wrap a chord.
Speaker 1: You know, She's like, no, don't do it like that, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta do like this like this. I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: But just like those little things, man, And it does
Speaker 1: take help along the way where you need to go.
Speaker 1: But you know, maybe sit down with your daughter and
Speaker 1: be like, what do you really want to do? And
Speaker 1: she might not have a freaking clue.
Speaker 2: She's fourteen, she has no clue what she wants to
Speaker 2: do yet, you know.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, while she's trying to figure it out,
Speaker 1: you know, tell her what kind of stuff interest you,
Speaker 1: you know, find out what those interests are, and then
Speaker 1: just explain to her like, Okay, you want to be
Speaker 1: a dentist, all right, Well, you probably don't need to
Speaker 1: know a lot of math. Maybe you do from when
Speaker 1: people owe you money, is right, but yeah, but what
Speaker 1: classes do you need to pass? Okay? Well you might
Speaker 1: not use math a lot, but you do have to
Speaker 1: past this because you do have to go to college
Speaker 1: for it and get into college. You're going to have
Speaker 1: to do this and this, so this is a stepping
Speaker 1: stone to get where you want to go. Maybe that
Speaker 1: will kind of help her take math serious. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if math is one of the classes that
Speaker 1: there is a problem. Probably not, but it's still that's hey, history,
Speaker 1: you think it sucks? Okay? Cool wasn't my favorite either?
Speaker 1: Which I like history now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved history even in school. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at least you know, set it up that way, like, look,
Speaker 1: but you still have to pass this class, and you
Speaker 1: still have to take this, and then when you get
Speaker 1: into college, you know, they'll get to give you other
Speaker 1: classes that you have to take that don't even make
Speaker 1: sense that you're taking them, but you still have to
Speaker 1: take them if you want to graduate and get that degree.
Speaker 2: Like I looked at just recently because I asked you
Speaker 2: for my background check, so I knew when I was
Speaker 2: arrested for my felonies.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we forget, Yeah, sometimes we do forget.
Speaker 2: Obviously, you know, what date were you actually convicted, What
Speaker 2: day were you arrested? What day were you convicted on,
Speaker 2: you know, asset when you go back to school when
Speaker 2: you got felonies. And one thing I realized because I
Speaker 2: wanted to go for like a degree in the audio,
Speaker 2: you know, like for podcasting, like what we do now,
Speaker 2: and so that way I understand more of it, because
Speaker 2: I don't really understand it. And I mean, I just
Speaker 2: don't want to watch some YouTube video where someone claims
Speaker 2: that they might know what they're doing when you really
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, I'd actually rather go to school
Speaker 2: and learn it the right way. And one class that
Speaker 2: really struck me odd is they make you take a
Speaker 2: piano class and I was like, what then piano two?
Speaker 2: Like like why do I need to learn how to
Speaker 2: play the piano?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Some that is. I think what more you would
Speaker 1: need to go to is the interlock in the School
Speaker 1: of Arts or whatever it's called.
Speaker 2: But they do have certificates that they offer at NMC too.
Speaker 1: When they have that interlack in because it's like like
Speaker 1: when I took that film class, I took filmmaking, script writing,
Speaker 1: and film production. I don't care like do I have
Speaker 1: a certificate Probably, I haven't even downloaded it doesn't That
Speaker 1: means nothing to me. It's just learning those skills. That's
Speaker 1: all I care about. Like I'm not going to go
Speaker 1: into somebody and be like, here's my certificate, let me
Speaker 1: make a movie, right, you know. I might put on
Speaker 1: there like yeah, I've taken this class or whatever, but
Speaker 1: like to me, at being forty six years old whatever,
Speaker 1: like your piece of paper doesn't care. I want the knowledge.
Speaker 1: I want to learn what you're teaching me. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's what was so cool about taking those classes there.
Speaker 1: But and just the one on one time with the
Speaker 1: instructor who's made movies. He's done it before. You know,
Speaker 1: like if you could sit down with somebody who's done
Speaker 1: radio or who it's done audio, you know, like this
Speaker 1: is how you do it, man, you know, like that's
Speaker 1: that's more important. And is the college you're going to
Speaker 1: have somebody like that. No, probably not. They're going to
Speaker 1: have somebody who teaches you music, teaches you, Oh, here's
Speaker 1: how you do audio, and that's why they do piano.
Speaker 1: I took a class. Where was it It might have
Speaker 1: been a Potasky North Central Michigan. I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: so many Central North It's it's so it's such a
Speaker 1: weird name. I don't remember it. But I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this will be easy when music. So I go in
Speaker 1: there and the dude's trying to teach me rhythm and
Speaker 1: all this other stuff. I'm like, I thought we were
Speaker 1: just doing like who sung this song or something like
Speaker 1: that for me, you know, being the radio background, I
Speaker 1: know all this music. And then it was like no,
Speaker 1: it was like i'd beat. I'm like, yeah, I get that,
Speaker 1: but I'm not trying to learn that. So I dropped
Speaker 1: it whatever because it wasn't what I thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be right.
Speaker 2: But I'm just checking out different things, you know, and
Speaker 2: exploring my options because I mean, if we do end
Speaker 2: up actually doing movies here or short films.
Speaker 1: You said the word that, I'm very confused.
Speaker 2: What we know if Oh yeah, we can talk about
Speaker 2: for a long time.
Speaker 1: So okay, so when we long time justin Burg, Well,
Speaker 1: we've you've.
Speaker 3: Been talking about doing a movie now for like two years,
Speaker 3: three years. I've only been somewhere for five almost six almost.
Speaker 3: We've had this place for what year in some months?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I'm just saying we're getting there. Doesn't
Speaker 1: happen overnight, man, No, But am I taking the steps
Speaker 1: to get me there?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I thought, because like I wrote a script already
Speaker 1: and I'm totally going to rewrite the beginning of it.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about it last night or slash
Speaker 1: this morning, like four. I'm like, now, that's how we
Speaker 1: need to do, and I'm there's a lot of changes
Speaker 1: to it, but there's reasons for the changes. And I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: how am I going to get this into a five
Speaker 1: minute film? That's what I'm thinking now, Like, how am
Speaker 1: I going to get this into a five minute film.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard, but we'll make it work. It'll
Speaker 1: be good. Yeah, it will be And you know, like
Speaker 1: Darren was telling me, he's like, look, if you can
Speaker 1: make this five minute film like awesome and you can
Speaker 1: make people feel with it, you'll have no problem getting
Speaker 1: your full length movie funded. That's awesome, no problem whatsoever.
Speaker 1: He's like, people will come out in woodworks. He's like
Speaker 1: them emotions, they open wallets, and he's like, you got
Speaker 1: a good thing going. He's like, especially with the short
Speaker 1: that you're telling me, He's like that that could actually
Speaker 1: be a set up to your actual movie. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it could be, you know, but I
Speaker 1: really want to be known for making movies that portray
Speaker 1: the real side of addiction. You know, there's good people,
Speaker 1: there's bad people. You know, same thing with recovery. There's
Speaker 1: good people, there's bad people. Just in life, there's good
Speaker 1: people and bad people. But I really want to open
Speaker 1: that door to that real Like, if someone watches it,
Speaker 1: they'll say that that dude's been to treatment. Whoever wrote
Speaker 1: this movie knows what's going on. They understand addiction, they
Speaker 1: understand recovery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just not portraying well, this is what happens.
Speaker 2: And yeah, like butterflies and roses, you know, they don't
Speaker 2: show the big rain cloud that's hanging over your head
Speaker 2: right the whole time you're in treatment, until about your
Speaker 2: last few days where it finally starts to lift away,
Speaker 2: you know, and some sunshine comes into your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I want to show I want to show
Speaker 1: the stuff that kind of happens with, you know, people
Speaker 1: that are on meth and you know, I think they
Speaker 1: start doing it now, but in this probably varies all
Speaker 1: over the country. But if you're on Medicaid like a
Speaker 1: year or so ago, maybe longer, but they wouldn't let
Speaker 1: you go to detox because you technically couldn't die and
Speaker 1: withdrawing from meth, so they wouldn't put you into detox
Speaker 1: insuring someone pay for it. So they just put you
Speaker 1: right into treatment and they would give you like a
Speaker 1: week maybe two. And there was somebody I know went
Speaker 1: through that and they put them in there and it's
Speaker 1: first week slept, and then the second week he kind
Speaker 1: of started coming around and he asked for an extension
Speaker 1: and they said, no, you didn't even go to your
Speaker 1: groups the first week.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, what's the fu Like, what do you think he
Speaker 1: was doing? Man? Like the phone was talking to him,
Speaker 1: he was hearing voices, the walls were calling. What what
Speaker 1: are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: You set him up to fail? Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: want to show some of that, you know, like this
Speaker 1: is what happens, and then to show that what happens,
Speaker 1: and then he goes right back out and he starts
Speaker 1: using again, and you just wasted money. You wasted money
Speaker 1: because you didn't want to pay a little extra. Same thing.
Speaker 1: What do we do with transportation? Yeah, you know, you
Speaker 1: put somebody in a treatment center for two weeks, thirty days,
Speaker 1: sixty days, ninety whatever it is, and then you don't
Speaker 1: have a plan to get them home safely to their door,
Speaker 1: and you let them call their drug dealer or come
Speaker 1: pick them up because you don't want to pay the
Speaker 1: eighty to one hundred dollars or whatever it is to
Speaker 1: get them home safe. Yet you'll you'll pay two three
Speaker 1: hundred bucks a day to house them in this place,
Speaker 1: but oh no, the sixty bucks to take him homes
Speaker 1: there's too much. Wait what Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: And he doesn't even get home safe, so he feels
Speaker 1: like a failure, and you put him on a bus. Oh,
Speaker 1: he might have some money in his pocket somebody else.
Speaker 1: Send him twenty bucks. Hey, that's for some smokes to
Speaker 1: get you home. But I'm not coming to get you.
Speaker 1: It's a four hour trip, which is really a twelve
Speaker 1: hour bus ride sometimes with the layovers and this and that.
Speaker 1: You send there with twenty bucks, and you look across
Speaker 1: the street. This happened to me when I was in Lancing.
Speaker 1: You know, I look across the street and there's a
Speaker 1: freaking liquor store.
Speaker 2: And who hangs outside of liquor stores?
Speaker 1: Yeah, drug dealers, right, all the good people in society usually.
Speaker 1: And he's like, wait a minute. Of course I didn't
Speaker 1: have twenty dollars, but like, it's just all those things
Speaker 1: that I was thinking, Like, man, if I did have
Speaker 1: twenty dollars, if I had three dollars, what I have
Speaker 1: went and bought something? I don't think so, because I'm
Speaker 1: on probation and I was trying to I was geared,
Speaker 1: like I gotta get stuff done. But for somebody who's
Speaker 1: not And then they go home and they're drunk, They
Speaker 1: get off the bus and their family member pick them
Speaker 1: up from the bus station or whatever.
Speaker 2: They're already wasted, they're already drunk.
Speaker 1: And here we go again, and now they probably get
Speaker 1: kicked out or they were told they could go home,
Speaker 1: but now they can't.
Speaker 2: And where are they get left at the bus stop?
Speaker 1: Yep? And then you called to try to go back
Speaker 1: to treatment and they tell you that you just got
Speaker 1: out of treatment and that you obviously didn't learn anything,
Speaker 1: so they're not going to pay for you to go
Speaker 1: back to treatment for another sixty days. Yeah, then what
Speaker 1: do you do? Right? You're not you're not gonna start
Speaker 1: hitting meetings, no, because you're already like, oh, I'm a failure.
Speaker 2: And you already had on the corner with the sign
Speaker 2: that says please help and so that we can keep
Speaker 2: drinking until you can get back into treatment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and people don't see all that. No, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't understand. And it's not even that person's fault,
Speaker 1: but he should have been stronger. You don't understand addiction,
Speaker 1: and they're saying that you don't understand how that works.
Speaker 1: Try not to eat for next two weeks. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: just don't eat.
Speaker 2: How about you put your phone down for two weeks?
Speaker 2: Go back to an old flip phone, an old school
Speaker 2: flip phone, and see how well you're like, where's my Facebook?
Speaker 2: Like I have nothing to click the like button or
Speaker 2: the heart button while I'm sitting here taking a deuce,
Speaker 2: Like I have nothing to do now, you know, because
Speaker 2: no one has magazines in their bathroom like everyone used
Speaker 2: to when I was growing up as a kid. You know,
Speaker 2: it's you know, you could take addiction in multiple different areas.
Speaker 2: Our smartphones are addictive as shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when your brain is honed in on that, Like
Speaker 1: I said, you know, don't eat, you know, because that's
Speaker 1: the closest thing I can compare to, because that's one
Speaker 1: of the survival instincts that we have, you know, food, shelter, water,
Speaker 1: like that's number one. Well, when you become addicted, that
Speaker 1: takes over, that change because your brain chemistry changes. So
Speaker 1: the most important thing to me at one time in
Speaker 1: life was alcohol. Sure, I pay my rent, but only
Speaker 1: when I got my check. I pay that first because
Speaker 1: I could drink at my house. If I couldn't drink
Speaker 1: at my house, I wouldn't have paid my rent, No,
Speaker 1: I tell you that. But alcohol was number one. That
Speaker 1: was number one for me. And when it becomes number
Speaker 1: one for you, and you go to a bus station.
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's been sixty days, ninety days.
Speaker 1: It's going to take time for your brain to change,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to set goals. You have to
Speaker 1: do all this other stuff, and a lot of times
Speaker 1: in these streatment centers, depending which one you go, and
Speaker 1: depending what mind frame you have when you go there.
Speaker 1: You know, are you like, oh, okay, I just need
Speaker 1: to make some money. Once I get some money, I
Speaker 1: could pay my bills. The reason why I drink is
Speaker 1: because my bills piling up. It's not why I drank.
Speaker 1: It was an excuse I can't pay my bills, right,
Speaker 1: It wasn't the reason I drink. I drink because it's
Speaker 1: too I wasn't gonna like I'm gonna move to Seattle,
Speaker 1: damn it, Son's here too. I wasn't, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking for the solution. I was just looking
Speaker 1: for more excuses. And so I think it's very important
Speaker 1: for people to to understand someone like we're talking earlier.
Speaker 1: You know, put yourself in that person's shoes. Imagine having
Speaker 1: that urge so bad that you know it'll screw up
Speaker 1: your whole life, the last sixty days down the drain
Speaker 1: if you go across there and buy that, but yet
Speaker 1: nine times out of ten the person would do that.
Speaker 1: That is a little bit of what it's like to
Speaker 1: be addicted to something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and there's an alright movie. It's
Speaker 2: very corny to watch it. The first time I watched it,
Speaker 2: I laughed. I was like, oh, I just pointed out, like,
Speaker 2: look how stupid this is. You know. But when I
Speaker 2: went to work at a treatment center the same when
Speaker 2: you worked at. The movie was called Pleasures Unwoven. You know,
Speaker 2: it really broke it down scientifically about how addiction does work.
Speaker 2: And you know, the like I said, the first time
Speaker 2: watched it, I was like, oh, look look how corny
Speaker 2: and cheap and cheesy this is. But like the second
Speaker 2: or third time I watched it, when I started doing
Speaker 2: that group, I was like, holy Kyle, there's actually a
Speaker 2: lot of information in here. You know that it really
Speaker 2: tells you about how addiction does work and how it
Speaker 2: fits the disease model because there is really no cure
Speaker 2: for it, so it's a disease. You know, it's no
Speaker 2: different than diabetes, is the way they kind of put it,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, we will eventually die from it
Speaker 2: if we don't try to change our ways. And it's
Speaker 2: very hard to change our ways when we don't produce
Speaker 2: dopamine anymore, or our serotonin levels when they drop and
Speaker 2: we just don't know how to do it anymore, and
Speaker 2: it takes a while for those to kick back in
Speaker 2: naturally because our drug of choices robbed us from our
Speaker 2: natural levels. Because when we use, our dopamine spikes through
Speaker 2: the roof like this is a great time bubbo, and
Speaker 2: it tells your brain that we need more and more
Speaker 2: and more of this. And that's the problem that goes
Speaker 2: that happens with addiction, is our dopamine levels just spike.
Speaker 1: Through the roof. Then they call it the pink cloud.
Speaker 1: And that's when we stop using. You know, for that
Speaker 1: first two weeks to month, maybe could go longer, but
Speaker 1: your brain starts kicking into gear because it's like, hold on,
Speaker 1: we got to make more of that because we're not
Speaker 1: getting that. So your brain goes over the over the top,
Speaker 1: making it to like hey, here you go, here you go.
Speaker 1: And then your brain's like, well hold on, that's way
Speaker 1: too much. Let's back and then it drops down and
Speaker 1: a lot of people call that hitting the wall, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's when nothing, nothing thing normally in life that
Speaker 1: makes you happy will make you happy. Whether it's seeing
Speaker 1: your kid, your puppy, your dog, whatever it's it's not
Speaker 1: going to make you happy. And that's when people get
Speaker 1: frustrated and they're like, nothing, I'm doing the right things
Speaker 1: and everything sucks and da da da da da. And
Speaker 1: through my journey, you know, I would put months together,
Speaker 1: and I used to frust me, frustrate me because I
Speaker 1: would go to like the IOP groups and I'd be like, look, yeah,
Speaker 1: I might have relapsed, but but I had four months
Speaker 1: in there, you know, isn't my brain starting to heal?
Speaker 1: And they'd be like, no, you got to have, you know,
Speaker 1: to at least two to five years is what they
Speaker 1: say for your brain to totally heal. But my brain
Speaker 1: is starting to heal, you know, just because I had
Speaker 1: a relapse for a week or a WEEKND or whatever, Like,
Speaker 1: can I count that time? Does my brain healing? I
Speaker 1: don't want to count that as cleaning toime, you know,
Speaker 1: is my sober date. But like, but that that stuff
Speaker 1: does add up, and it does. And I found out
Speaker 1: the hard way with drinking, because you will black out
Speaker 1: when you go to drink what you thought you would
Speaker 1: drink before, right and or thought you can drink what
Speaker 1: you did before, and you realize you can't because you
Speaker 1: black out, and then who knows, you know, and then
Speaker 1: just pray that God's there to save you and to
Speaker 1: look after you like it was for me. But it's
Speaker 1: it's at least something. You know, I wouldn't knock somebody
Speaker 1: for having three months and then you know, going back
Speaker 1: out and relapse in. And it's as long as they're
Speaker 1: learning along the way.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We had a guy come here the other day, I guess,
Speaker 1: and you know, talking about something happened, and it's like
Speaker 1: all right, cool, like well, what are you doing now?
Speaker 1: You know, like let's go that that didn't work out,
Speaker 1: And you know we're not going to chastise him and
Speaker 1: say he's an idiot or stupid. We've been there, We've
Speaker 1: done that. You know. It's like it is a process.
Speaker 1: It takes time, but it's it's always there at the
Speaker 1: back of your mind, you know, saying hey, come on,
Speaker 1: you can do it one more time. It gets easier,
Speaker 1: you know, as you have time under your belt. I know,
Speaker 1: for if I have twenty years, if I have forty years,
Speaker 1: if I take a drink, I'm done. I know that
Speaker 1: I've seen it. I've seen people with twenty years and
Speaker 1: they're like, COVID came along and I missed my one
Speaker 1: meeting a week that I went to it, closed it
Speaker 1: down and thought I could drink again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I'd manage it.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I deserve one with with my dinner tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's been it's been twenty years. I can have
Speaker 1: one tonight with the game or whatever. Nope, can't. I
Speaker 1: can't have one, and I'm cool with it, and I'm
Speaker 1: good with it. And now saying that, knowing that, does
Speaker 1: that mean I'm not going to make a bad decision
Speaker 1: along the way. I freaking hope not right. But you
Speaker 1: never know what's going to happen or what could have
Speaker 1: happened or whatever. But I'm not using that as an
Speaker 1: excuse either, as as I used to use when people
Speaker 1: would say, oh, relapse is part of recovery, which is
Speaker 1: not part of the addiction. I would use that as
Speaker 1: a well, I can drink tonight because well, relapse is
Speaker 1: part of recovery. So here we go. You know, let's
Speaker 1: get that excuse. But I'm just saying just to not
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I'm never never gonna I don't care
Speaker 1: what happened. I can't say that. I cannot sit here
Speaker 1: honestly and tell you that. But I hope and pray
Speaker 1: that I do never drink again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's one thing I really like hanging out
Speaker 2: with what people call the old timers that have twenty
Speaker 2: thirty years because they've lived life and have to navigate
Speaker 2: through life turtles, whether if it's death, loss of a job, whatever, like,
Speaker 2: they've had to live through that experience and gain that
Speaker 2: personal experience, you know. And I really take value in
Speaker 2: those people because those are the people that's going to
Speaker 2: show you how to navigate your life when something like
Speaker 2: that happens. You know, you hang around a meeting where
Speaker 2: you feel more comfortable because everyone's new to recovery. Those
Speaker 2: people don't know how to navigate life when it comes
Speaker 2: down to your mom dying. Compared to an older, an
Speaker 2: old timer, a gentleman who just lost his wife, you know,
Speaker 2: and stayed sober because he knew how to manage that.
Speaker 2: Those newcomers ain't gonna know how to manage that. It
Speaker 2: is not speaking ill of a newcomer. It's you don't
Speaker 2: have the experience and the longevity of recovery to be
Speaker 2: able to know, Okay, well I need to do this.
Speaker 2: I need to hang up with these people. I don't
Speaker 2: need to isolate because when I sit in my house
Speaker 2: and dwell on it, I'm gonna relapse.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was talking to my dad about that yesterday,
Speaker 1: about how people will, you know, be in early recovery
Speaker 1: and then a death will happen and then we see
Speaker 1: him again and they're like, yeah, sorry, man, I started drinking,
Speaker 1: and lad they started like apologizing to me, like they
Speaker 1: did something wrong. And it's like, look, man, you don't
Speaker 1: need to apologize to me, but like, a death will
Speaker 1: hit you and it throws people off, and I don't
Speaker 1: know how I'm going to react. But I told my
Speaker 1: dad it's like, I'm not planning for your death or anything,
Speaker 1: but I know that me drinking is not going to
Speaker 1: honor you in any way. No, you know, they would
Speaker 1: honor you for me not to drink and for me
Speaker 1: to remember the times we did have together. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be sad. You know, I'll stab when
Speaker 1: my cat died, But drinking is not going to bring
Speaker 1: her back. You know, Drinking is not going to bring
Speaker 1: my mother, stepfather, dad, or grandma's And drinking doesn't bring
Speaker 1: anything back, and they would be pissed. Say there is
Speaker 1: a heaven and say that you can wander this earth
Speaker 1: as a spirit. They would be so disappointed. Come check
Speaker 1: on me, and here I am just drunk off my
Speaker 1: ass doing nothing. You know, they would be they would
Speaker 1: be very dishonored. Yep.
Speaker 2: And you know I kind of went through that when
Speaker 2: my uncle passed away.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: Just over my two year mark and he ended up dying,
Speaker 2: and Dude, the emotions I felt like, I've never felt
Speaker 2: those emotions before because I was always so under the
Speaker 2: influence of something, whether if it was marijuana, a couple
Speaker 2: of beers, or maybe some harder drugs. You know, I'd
Speaker 2: never had to experience that sober and it about wrecked me.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I knew he wouldn't want
Speaker 2: me to go back out to go cope in an
Speaker 2: unhealthy manner, you know, and to actually build a cope
Speaker 2: and be like, well, I'm gonna stay sober for you,
Speaker 2: no matter how long it takes for us to meet again.
Speaker 2: I'm going to remain sober and it was hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I can at least prepare myself a little
Speaker 1: bit because I know it's going to happen, you know,
Speaker 1: unless I die first. But whatever, those are things that
Speaker 1: I can set into place to go. Look, Corey, prepare
Speaker 1: you know, like you there's some things that hit you
Speaker 1: sideways and you didn't see coming. You're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: How'm I gonna do with that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Hopefully I deal with that wisely. But
Speaker 1: it's addiction, man, It's always going to be there. And
Speaker 1: thankfully I do know. Smoking weeds not the way that
Speaker 1: leads me back to alcohol every time. You know, acids,
Speaker 1: not away, eating shrooms isn't isn't going to help me,
Speaker 1: you know, like staying away from that first drink and
Speaker 1: not taking that first drink because is the only way
Speaker 1: I can do it. You know, some people, I'm on
Speaker 1: some box and I'm on this and the okay whatever,
Speaker 1: And if you like to pay the drug companies money,
Speaker 1: then go ahead. But there's natural ways to do things,
Speaker 1: there really is. You know a lot of people meditate.
Speaker 1: I used to meditate a lot, and it just calmed
Speaker 1: me down and it really helped me kind of hone
Speaker 1: in and focus on what was going on in the moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and dealing with things in the moment. Now,
Speaker 1: I had pancreatic pain and I tried to meditate on
Speaker 1: that and that didn't work. And I was seeing billboards
Speaker 1: at the time like don't take pain killers, meditate. I'm
Speaker 1: like shit, Like okay, they say that's someone who loses
Speaker 1: their leg, Like, oh, don't worry about that pain. It's
Speaker 1: just meditating, right.
Speaker 2: All that pain your experiences, it's called phantom pain. Is
Speaker 2: the reason why you got pain in your foot that's
Speaker 2: no longer there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when I did have my gallbladder removes, you know,
Speaker 1: they put me on oxy cotone and I quickly and
Speaker 1: I did podcasts about this. You know, I found myself
Speaker 1: just popping them every four hours. I think it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be every four to six, but every four. Man.
Speaker 1: I was over there and my doctor I told her
Speaker 1: I was in recovery, and she's like, okay, well i'll
Speaker 1: give you a week at a time, right, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, cool. And then sometimes the pain would increase,
Speaker 1: which was weird, And that's how it supposed to be happening.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, it's because I had my operation
Speaker 1: here in Travers City. That's why it's happening, because it's
Speaker 1: not done right. If we go to Grand Rapid and
Speaker 1: so like, she would up it and but then she knew,
Speaker 1: like to wean me off of it. But then when
Speaker 1: I found myself popping them all the time, I went
Speaker 1: to her and I was like, look, I'm I'm noticing
Speaker 1: I'm taking these things whether I'm in pain or not.
Speaker 1: And if I don't have them, I feel a little sick,
Speaker 1: you know. And I know what that little sick is,
Speaker 1: and that's withdrawal. So let's let's get out a plan
Speaker 1: to really like kind of get me off of these.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to start writing down exactly when I
Speaker 1: take them, you know, And that way I can report
Speaker 1: that to you, not that you need it, but it's
Speaker 1: for me, you know. And she was like, oh, okay, cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll do that. And so I would write down every
Speaker 1: time I took them, and I would send it to
Speaker 1: her like here, here's here's when I took them. Here's
Speaker 1: when I was feeling the most pain. And I started thinking,
Speaker 1: do I need them right now? And you know, than
Speaker 1: the weaning off, and I was able to get off
Speaker 1: of them. But it's it's plains like that. And like
Speaker 1: I said before on I guess not this podcast, but
Speaker 1: on the two seventeen Recovery podcast, which I guess this
Speaker 1: could be that podcast too, is it really wasn't the
Speaker 1: problem with the opioids. It's the problem with taking them away.
Speaker 1: And like the doctors did back then, they just took
Speaker 1: them all away from people. And then people started seeking
Speaker 1: how other other methods and other avenues of war can
Speaker 1: I get this? Oh, here's some heroin. Oh, here's some
Speaker 1: of this. Here's somethentanol. Oh, here's this and that does
Speaker 1: the same thing, but it's better. Oh my god, cool,
Speaker 1: I'll take that instead. I don't have to go to
Speaker 1: the doctor and get treated like a drug addict anymore
Speaker 1: when I'm just trying not to be sick. And a
Speaker 1: lot of times when people are getting out those drugs,
Speaker 1: it's they're just trying not to be sick, and the
Speaker 1: doctor's like, well, have you've been on long enough? We're
Speaker 1: just going to cut you off. We're pump the brakes man,
Speaker 1: wean people off. Yeah, exactly, you know, like that's the
Speaker 1: education people should be teaching you.
Speaker 2: Well, otherwise they're going to go see the street pharmacists. Yeah, who,
Speaker 2: you don't know if you're actually getting the real pill.
Speaker 2: We're a fake pill and that fake pill will kill you.
Speaker 1: It will and you don't know. Oh, no, I got
Speaker 1: this from Johnny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well where Johnny get him from?
Speaker 1: The cartel was a guy. No, his people are straight. No,
Speaker 1: Johnny doesn't know where the fuck he got his pills from. No,
Speaker 1: he got him from Carlos. Where Carlos get him from? Well,
Speaker 1: he got him from Skeeter. Skeeter, and where Skeeter get
Speaker 1: him from? He got him from little Dick what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good luck luck tracking that down, I know. And it's
Speaker 1: kind of funny how I having the conversation with Kim
Speaker 1: the other day about this, because when I was in
Speaker 1: treatment last time, there was a guy that was in
Speaker 1: the military and he was overseas in Afghanistan, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it must have been tough, like going
Speaker 1: through door to door and I didn't do another that.
Speaker 1: He's like, I was protecting the poppy fields. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: like what He's like, Yeah, Pfizer actually has a big
Speaker 1: ass poppy field over there that I guess the government
Speaker 1: had seized and then like, hey, Pfizer, you want this,
Speaker 1: And I'm like sure. And then Pfizer was paying the
Speaker 1: military to protect their opium fields so that they can
Speaker 1: make their drugs and had some here. And meanwhile, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: when you watch on the news and all the election ads,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh, they're gonna do the border.
Speaker 1: All the drugs are coming through the border. Not all
Speaker 1: of them, No, some of them are military protecting.
Speaker 2: You know. Maybe we're in Vietnam for the same reason.
Speaker 2: I mean, it just so happens to be a coincidence there.
Speaker 2: Guys came back too on heroine. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: from Vietnam or you know, you could look at Panama,
Speaker 2: you know, when we're down there in the eighties and
Speaker 2: it got flooded with cocaine in the America. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's just coincidential. You know, the crack to the.
Speaker 1: Getos and yeah, yeah, here you go.
Speaker 2: You know, it's all for entertainment purposes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's give them guns and crack there you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll kill each other and let's sick tupacs.
Speaker 2: That Have you ever seen that movie that TV show
Speaker 2: the FX did called Snowfall no, dude, it'll blow your mind.
Speaker 1: It probably piss me off.
Speaker 2: Because it really shows you how just one ambitious kid
Speaker 2: can make so much money. Why the government helps him
Speaker 2: make all this money and then takes it all away
Speaker 2: from him. Yeah, and then he becomes what he despises
Speaker 2: the most about life at the end of it, and
Speaker 2: it was really sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're not going to do chickens because I
Speaker 1: think I'm going to make this Recovery Dads and the
Speaker 1: two seventeen Recovery podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's pretty good either way, a little.
Speaker 1: Two for one today or maybe we'll just in the
Speaker 1: two seventeen Recovery podcast. Now I'm into our chickens. And
Speaker 1: then if people are like, what are the chickens? Where
Speaker 1: you can go listen to a recovery dance dot com.
Speaker 2: But we did use the recovery dance open for us.
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh oh, I can fix that. Thanks for
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