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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the two seventeen Recovery Broadcast. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>make mistakes, you won't learn. With your host Corey Winfield,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how you know fish as bad as you

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<v Speaker 1>can't put it on pizza and special guest Justin Burke.

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<v Speaker 2>I said something about that to our master radio broadcaster

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<v Speaker 2>and he said that he didn't hear nothing. Got your ass.

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<v Speaker 1>It is October twenty fourth, twenty twenty four. My name's

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<v Speaker 1>Corey Winfield, and that this is the two seventeen Recovery podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>which is actually taken today from a recovery Dance podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>which we'll get into a little bit more. But Justin

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<v Speaker 1>Burke with me today. How you doing, Justin?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing fabulous, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how's life? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Life's been a struggle lately. But I think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to do within myself, you know, realizing how to

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<v Speaker 2>rate raise teenagers. You know, everyone knows that my daughter

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<v Speaker 2>recently came to live with me, like about two months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Had good job with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you. I appreciate all the support I got

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<v Speaker 2>from everyone I know. But I have to realize where

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<v Speaker 2>her standard used to be at and where my standards

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<v Speaker 2>at it when she ain't like trying to get there.

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<v Speaker 2>It really infuriates me. Mmm, you know, because it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I know what you're capable of, and you just choose not.

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<v Speaker 1>To a lot of it might be too And this

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<v Speaker 1>is just me just chiming in here. I know you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't ask for any advice, but I noticed this when

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<v Speaker 1>I came to work today. And Marnie does this at

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<v Speaker 1>the house sometimes, and she does it here all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't reset the microwave. It's a I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a woman thing. Like there's a clock on the microwave

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<v Speaker 1>which I like to use use to see what time

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<v Speaker 1>it is. Oh, I'm going places, and so if there's

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<v Speaker 1>something in the microwave here at work, and I'll come

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<v Speaker 1>in and it'll say twenty three seconds. Yeah, this morning

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen seconds, I'm like, Marnie wasn't even here. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it hit me, Oh, Corey Smoker uses the microwave. She's

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<v Speaker 1>a woman. Maybe it's a woman like that. There's clearly

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<v Speaker 1>a little cancel button, like after you get your stuff out,

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<v Speaker 1>you can hit cancel. Yeah, bring it back to zeros,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Like nah, So it could be a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit just that she's a girl and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is just naturally built into her brain to well,

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<v Speaker 1>why would I hit the cancel button? Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>start leaving the toilet seat up, you know, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, like and so be like that bugs me.

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<v Speaker 2>Dad. I'm like, well, okay, I said it in a

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<v Speaker 2>bowl full of water last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about compromise. I'll put the seat down and

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<v Speaker 1>you start doing things, you know, it hit the clear

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<v Speaker 1>on them. And to be fair, Marti doesn't really do

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<v Speaker 1>that much at home anymore, but back in the day, man,

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<v Speaker 1>she would do it a lot. And she think she

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<v Speaker 1>still does it here when she does come to work

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<v Speaker 1>here and she's in the office, you know, I'll see

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<v Speaker 1>some twenty three seconds or thirty six seconds on there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I re microwave at work. I mean it's a

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<v Speaker 2>good microwave, but I don't know how to use it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I just hit the little play button on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean besides that, like I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>those there's side buttons on it in a dial and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not built for like functional functionality. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>built for looks. Yeah, aesthetics, because it's like a green,

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<v Speaker 1>and we got it from best Buy seventy eight bucks

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<v Speaker 1>or something that it's like mint green, and it goes

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<v Speaker 1>with the retro refrigerator that's mint green that we have. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like, hey, let me hit the cook button.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no cook button. There's just a bunch of like

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<v Speaker 1>play and pause and like four. It's almost like it's

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<v Speaker 1>a like an iPod or something, you know. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and we only have that really because Marty likes to

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<v Speaker 1>heat up her coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, scalding hot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's the only reason we have a microwave here.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Miss Smoker thinks it's to actually microwave food.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Mitch does too. Yeah, it's like, oh guys,

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<v Speaker 1>that's really not for food. That's just for coffee. But okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was our thinking behind getting it too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, hey, then people won't think they can cook

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<v Speaker 1>in here, because you know, I mean, if you ever

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<v Speaker 1>had an office or somewhere and somebody's making some food,

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<v Speaker 1>nine times out of ten it smells gross. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing that ever smells good coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>a microwave in a workplace studying is popcorn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, unless you burn it. Yeah, unless you burn it,

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<v Speaker 1>then you kissed people off and you're like, dude, what

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck you didn't set a time around that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't stand there next to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for the two and a half minutes it takes

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<v Speaker 2>to pop.

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<v Speaker 1>A bay, it clearly was done. Yeah, but that that

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<v Speaker 1>is the only good thing that really comes out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And unless you're eating it, I guess it can smell okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but man, most of the time, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just, yeah, it smells gross, and I think hot dogs

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<v Speaker 2>are the worst smell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Mitch, we had a George Foreman little Foreman thing here, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that I bought when we were doing the the mobile

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<v Speaker 1>unit with ATS, and I brought that. I'm like, hey man,

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<v Speaker 1>we can coax some hot dogs for people or something,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then it it just brought it back

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<v Speaker 1>here to the office when we stopped doing that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Mitch decided it was going to be his personal

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<v Speaker 1>hot dog maker. Yeah, right next to it, Like, stop

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<v Speaker 1>making hot dogs in that at least clean the mfort. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>we started making hot dogs again. So I was like, here,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm throwing it away, and I think Kim took it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what she did with it. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, get this out of the office now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, miss isn't gonna buy a new one. No, plce,

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<v Speaker 1>I forbid it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many forbidden things around the office.

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<v Speaker 1>You're welcome, thanks. Yeah, sometimes you gotta lay it down

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<v Speaker 1>like that. But nah, So back to the daughter. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's just one of those things, you know, like have

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<v Speaker 1>you read books? Have you like looked at videos online?

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<v Speaker 1>Like how do I deal with a teenage daughter? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to make a video?

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<v Speaker 2>Like? No, no, actually I did it. I really talked

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<v Speaker 2>to Miss Smoker who's had a teenage daughter, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's tried navigating through life with a daughter, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and because boys are different than girls when raising them,

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<v Speaker 2>they just are Our brain chemistry is not the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people are smarter. Some people say boys' brains are

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<v Speaker 2>mush because there's so much testosterone pumping through their body. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so I talked to her quite a bit

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<v Speaker 2>the other day about it, and you know, that's where

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<v Speaker 2>she told me, you know, you know, just in her

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<v Speaker 2>bar was so low as long as she went to

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<v Speaker 2>school and was out of their hair, they didn't care.

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<v Speaker 1>How about your daughter and how it used to be yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>To where I am at now, you know, where I

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<v Speaker 2>do actually care. At home, I check her grades all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and it's like, well, you're capable of doing this,

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<v Speaker 2>just do it and just get it done, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's like, but you have to meet somewhere in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle, because you just can't go from someone not

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<v Speaker 2>totally not giving a shit about somebody to someone that

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<v Speaker 2>does actually care about you. How well do you think

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<v Speaker 2>that's gonna work? You know when we see that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot in recovery too. You know, when someone dives head

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<v Speaker 2>first into something because they start getting attention or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it's just like, well, the other person's standard wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>where you thought it was at, and it's a letdown,

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<v Speaker 2>a huge letdown, like crush somebody. Yeah, And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in some aspect, I did feel crushed by my own daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because she wasn't before being the way I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted her to. And I just have to realize the

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<v Speaker 2>shithole that she came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, and not to like bash excess

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. You know, maybe the situation it was different

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<v Speaker 1>for the mother too, you know, maybe I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what they were going through either. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can't really put ourselves in their shoes because

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really know. But all we know is he

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<v Speaker 1>here's the attitude, and here's the expectations that she has,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're very low. And that's not how daddy plays

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<v Speaker 1>the game, you know, Like that's not how we do it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not how I was raised. Like my bar was set.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the bar. You do this where you go above it,

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<v Speaker 2>you go blow it. You're getting your ass probably whooped.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing some hard work around the house something. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna lose your dirt bike, your snowmobile, You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>lose all your fun lit toys that you have. And

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<v Speaker 2>some people think may think I was spoiled, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like my dirt bike was brand new. It

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<v Speaker 2>was something from the seventies, so it was like thirty

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<v Speaker 2>forty years old when I got it, you know, same

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<v Speaker 2>day with my snowmobile. It's not like I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>were good running machines when my mom bottom, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like they were brand new like Stay of the

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<v Speaker 2>Arc where I could take them out on the trails

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<v Speaker 2>and go ride them. I just lived in an area

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<v Speaker 2>where we could ride them and not have to worry

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<v Speaker 2>about stickering them because we didn't have registrations to none

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<v Speaker 2>of them. You know. The dirt bikes were bought from

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<v Speaker 2>some dude down in Scottville, Michigan. He had a full

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<v Speaker 2>barn full of like old dirt bikes and motorcycles he

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<v Speaker 2>would sell parts off of. And my mom went to

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<v Speaker 2>him and said, well, I need two dirt bikes for

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<v Speaker 2>my boys. He goes, well, I got titles for these,

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<v Speaker 2>but they run really good. And we bought them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and they ask no questions. We took up home and

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<v Speaker 2>drove them until they puked.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and got them taken away if you did bad shit, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I wish we could go back to the school

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<v Speaker 1>with our children. Is there like a day where you

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<v Speaker 1>can do.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Oh, like going to the class with your child?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they say, you know, you want to walk

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<v Speaker 1>a mile in her shoes, you know, put yourself on

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<v Speaker 1>her shoes. Because you remember back in the day it

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<v Speaker 1>was so much pressure when the teachers would start talking

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<v Speaker 1>about well, once you get out there in the real world,

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<v Speaker 1>once you get a job, you know, boss is going

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<v Speaker 1>to let you come in three minutes late. Blah blah,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah and what are you gonna do? And

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<v Speaker 1>it was so much focus on what are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to do next? And I didn't have a clue. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to go home and play Nintendo, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but the people were making us make portfolios. And then

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<v Speaker 1>as we got closer to graduating graduating, it was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you going to go to do college? I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I want to go to college,

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<v Speaker 1>I was working at a store in Coloma called the Hilltop,

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Hartings now. But they I knew somebody and

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<v Speaker 1>like genius to us. It's called embezzlement to the company,

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<v Speaker 1>chuck it up. He would catch it, you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>right hear it hit some stuff, you know. I'm like, oh, damn, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this one lady. We were playing tape ball, but it

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we're getting fired for. So we were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of surprised and it kind of relieved. And they're like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is embezzlement and I'm like huh. They're like, but

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, okay, because I thought this was about

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<v Speaker 1>the tape ball incident, because I thought they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to show me the tape, which I was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>interested to watch. But nah, So they got fired from that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I didn't know what I was going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom was like, look, you got three months left,

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<v Speaker 1>pore you graduate. How about you just focused on that

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you graduate and think about what you really

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<v Speaker 1>Corey and I really thought about it. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>before spring break, I remember, because I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>up the radio station and I talked to this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He was on the air. His name was Chad West,

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<v Speaker 1>and he answered, you know, and I was like, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>give me some advice? And he was like yeah. He's like, first,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you have to call the program director. His

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<v Speaker 1>name's Mike Thomas. You know, call two six nine nine,

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<v Speaker 1>two five eleven eleven. Asked for Mike, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>see if there's anything opening like board op, because you

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<v Speaker 1>can start out as a board op and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>work your way up, but that that's how you get in.

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<v Speaker 1>And Chad was really cool with me on the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, all right, great, So I called

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<v Speaker 1>and I think I talked to Mike Thomas, like right away,

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<v Speaker 1>and he told me call back in a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>He might have something coming open. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>remotes going on in the summer where people go out

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<v Speaker 1>and broadcast and someone needs to be at the station

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<v Speaker 1>run the board. And that's how it worked back in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen ninety six, and I was like, all right, cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went out of vacation or whatever, I went

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<v Speaker 1>to spring break, came back and I was all kind

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<v Speaker 1>of pumped about it, and I called him back and

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<v Speaker 1>went to voicemail, called him back the next day, went

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<v Speaker 1>to voicemail, called him for like two weeks straight, went

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<v Speaker 1>to voicemail, and I remember getting so pissed, like is

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<v Speaker 1>this guy gonna freaking call me back? But I'm like, hey, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Cory again. Just just call him check in. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he finally calls me back and I get it

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<v Speaker 1>home and there's a message on my answering machine, so

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<v Speaker 1>I have online in my room.

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<v Speaker 2>Really now, that's being spoiled, girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Call my mind and yeah, because that back in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>man he had to like wait for someone to go

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<v Speaker 1>off the phone, and I wasn't trying to do none

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<v Speaker 1>of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet not no.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like he had to take the phone with

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<v Speaker 1>the cord and you'd be in the kitchen because that

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<v Speaker 1>usually had the longest one, and you'd been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>like I had nobody to hear you, and you go

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<v Speaker 1>sit on the steps and nah. I just was like,

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<v Speaker 1>can I just get my own phone? I'll pay for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was then, you know, when I finally called him,

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, hey, seems like you really want a

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<v Speaker 1>job pretty bad once you come in. So I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I came in and in school made me make this

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<v Speaker 1>portfolio and a stupid picture on the front. Here's my achievements,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't even know what was in there. And

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<v Speaker 1>I handed to him like here's my portfolio. He just

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<v Speaker 1>looks at it, throws it to the side. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so here's the deal, you know, like la

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<v Speaker 1>da da da da. It seems like you really want

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, well, board op consists of this and you

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<v Speaker 1>boot scoot and Boogie nights or days or I think

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<v Speaker 1>Bootgooting Nights is on Saturday Nights or something anyway. I

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Kinksley's Top forty Country Countdown. But it got me

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<v Speaker 1>in the door man. And then doing the two Way,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, hey, Mike, he got thirty seconds and he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, okay, you know you let him know, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty cents should be talking. And he's like, hey man,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a real good voice on the two Way?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to do you ever think about being

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<v Speaker 1>on the air. I'm like, of course, dude. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, won't you come in and do overnights on

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend. You can start talking at two am. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>or midnight and then at two am for like that

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<v Speaker 1>first weekend, like I went live and oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I was so scared. It sounded similar to this irak

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<v Speaker 1>on O seven best rocking Hits Corey White. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I called myself at first, and they only lasted

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<v Speaker 1>that one day, and I'm like, nah, just use your

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<v Speaker 1>real name, like too many people are going to know

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<v Speaker 1>you and using a fake last name, and just it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't feel right. It felt like I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be somebody else. And yeah, if I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about my mom or my dad or my brother or

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<v Speaker 1>my sister, I want it to be real. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want it to be like, oh yeah, I got this

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<v Speaker 1>fake name and I'm this fake person. I'm just like

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm telling real life stories here. And that helped

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<v Speaker 1>me establish like my personality on the radio. But back

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<v Speaker 1>to the whole setup of this is and tell my

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<v Speaker 1>mom really asked me that question and let me think

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<v Speaker 1>about it. You know, I didn't have teachers tell me

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<v Speaker 1>what I should do, schools pushing their agenda on you. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>be a tool and die maker, you know, like all

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<v Speaker 1>these other things, Like when I could just sit back

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<v Speaker 1>and real, like what do I want to do? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I want I love entertaining people, I love making people laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>Let let me do that. And what resources are around?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, It's like, well, there's a radio station ten

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<v Speaker 1>miles away, Like, let me pick up the phone and

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<v Speaker 1>call and Chad us was cool. He ended up getting

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<v Speaker 1>fired right away after I started, but I hope he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing well. But it was cool that he answered the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>If I would call another one, there's two or three.

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<v Speaker 1>If I would have called, they just want to hung

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<v Speaker 1>up by me. You don't want to do this, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>There's no money in it, and they would have hung up, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But Chav is really really cool. And Phil Becker, who

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<v Speaker 1>like own some radio stations now, I guess in Indiana,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was one of the guys that taught me

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff too. And I would come in

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<v Speaker 1>when I wasn't working and he would let me. I

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<v Speaker 1>and I would go give him to him and he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, Nope, that sucks. Do this. Don't say it

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Do like this. This is how you structure

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<v Speaker 1>your brakes. This is what you need to do. And

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<v Speaker 1>he phil Becker really helped me a lot, just with

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<v Speaker 1>the very simple basic stuff right and the rest, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just kind of worked on. But it was cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I phil Becker told me how to wrap a chord.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, She's like, no, don't do it like that, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta do like this like this. I'm like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But just like those little things, man, And it does

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<v Speaker 1>take help along the way where you need to go.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, maybe sit down with your daughter and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, what do you really want to do? And

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<v Speaker 1>she might not have a freaking clue.

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<v Speaker 2>She's fourteen, she has no clue what she wants to

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<v Speaker 2>do yet, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>just explain to her like, Okay, you want to be

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<v Speaker 1>a dentist, all right, Well, you probably don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot of math. Maybe you do from when

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<v Speaker 1>people owe you money, is right, but yeah, but what

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<v Speaker 1>classes do you need to pass? Okay? Well you might

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<v Speaker 1>not use math a lot, but you do have to

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<v Speaker 1>for it and get into college. You're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to do this and this, so this is a stepping

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if math is one of the classes that

416
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<v Speaker 1>there is a problem. Probably not, but it's still that's hey, history,

417
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<v Speaker 1>you think it sucks? Okay? Cool wasn't my favorite either?

418
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<v Speaker 1>Which I like history now.

419
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I loved history even in school. I loved it.

420
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but at least you know, set it up that way, like, look,

421
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<v Speaker 1>but you still have to pass this class, and you

422
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<v Speaker 1>still have to take this, and then when you get

423
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<v Speaker 1>into college, you know, they'll get to give you other

424
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<v Speaker 1>classes that you have to take that don't even make

425
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<v Speaker 1>sense that you're taking them, but you still have to

426
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<v Speaker 1>take them if you want to graduate and get that degree.

427
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<v Speaker 2>Like I looked at just recently because I asked you

428
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<v Speaker 2>for my background check, so I knew when I was

429
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<v Speaker 2>arrested for my felonies.

430
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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we forget, Yeah, sometimes we do forget.

431
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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, you know, what date were you actually convicted, What

432
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<v Speaker 2>day were you arrested? What day were you convicted on,

433
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<v Speaker 2>you know, asset when you go back to school when

434
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<v Speaker 2>you got felonies. And one thing I realized because I

435
00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:52.519
<v Speaker 2>wanted to go for like a degree in the audio,

436
00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:55.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, like for podcasting, like what we do now,

437
00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and so that way I understand more of it, because

438
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<v Speaker 2>I don't really understand it. And I mean, I just

439
00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:05.519
<v Speaker 2>don't want to watch some YouTube video where someone claims

440
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<v Speaker 2>that they might know what they're doing when you really

441
00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.279
<v Speaker 2>don't know, you know, I'd actually rather go to school

442
00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:17.839
<v Speaker 2>and learn it the right way. And one class that

443
00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.440
<v Speaker 2>really struck me odd is they make you take a

444
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<v Speaker 2>piano class and I was like, what then piano two?

445
00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:28.839
<v Speaker 2>Like like why do I need to learn how to

446
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<v Speaker 2>play the piano?

447
00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Some that is. I think what more you would

448
00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:38.319
<v Speaker 1>need to go to is the interlock in the School

449
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<v Speaker 1>of Arts or whatever it's called.

450
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<v Speaker 2>But they do have certificates that they offer at NMC too.

451
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<v Speaker 1>When they have that interlack in because it's like like

452
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<v Speaker 1>when I took that film class, I took filmmaking, script writing,

453
00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:59.279
<v Speaker 1>and film production. I don't care like do I have

454
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<v Speaker 1>a certificate Probably, I haven't even downloaded it doesn't That

455
00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.319
<v Speaker 1>means nothing to me. It's just learning those skills. That's

456
00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:06.759
<v Speaker 1>all I care about. Like I'm not going to go

457
00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:08.680
<v Speaker 1>into somebody and be like, here's my certificate, let me

458
00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:11.359
<v Speaker 1>make a movie, right, you know. I might put on

459
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:13.400
<v Speaker 1>there like yeah, I've taken this class or whatever, but

460
00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:17.680
<v Speaker 1>like to me, at being forty six years old whatever,

461
00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:20.279
<v Speaker 1>like your piece of paper doesn't care. I want the knowledge.

462
00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to learn what you're teaching me. Yeah, you know,

463
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<v Speaker 1>And that's what was so cool about taking those classes there.

464
00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:28.160
<v Speaker 1>But and just the one on one time with the

465
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<v Speaker 1>instructor who's made movies. He's done it before. You know,

466
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:35.000
<v Speaker 1>like if you could sit down with somebody who's done

467
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<v Speaker 1>radio or who it's done audio, you know, like this

468
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:39.920
<v Speaker 1>is how you do it, man, you know, like that's

469
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:42.480
<v Speaker 1>that's more important. And is the college you're going to

470
00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:45.039
<v Speaker 1>have somebody like that. No, probably not. They're going to

471
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.039
<v Speaker 1>have somebody who teaches you music, teaches you, Oh, here's

472
00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.079
<v Speaker 1>how you do audio, and that's why they do piano.

473
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:55.079
<v Speaker 1>I took a class. Where was it It might have

474
00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:59.279
<v Speaker 1>been a Potasky North Central Michigan. I don't know. There's

475
00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:01.880
<v Speaker 1>so many Central North It's it's so it's such a

476
00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:04.359
<v Speaker 1>weird name. I don't remember it. But I thought, oh,

477
00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:07.599
<v Speaker 1>this will be easy when music. So I go in

478
00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:09.400
<v Speaker 1>there and the dude's trying to teach me rhythm and

479
00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:10.920
<v Speaker 1>all this other stuff. I'm like, I thought we were

480
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:14.240
<v Speaker 1>just doing like who sung this song or something like

481
00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:18.440
<v Speaker 1>that for me, you know, being the radio background, I

482
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.160
<v Speaker 1>know all this music. And then it was like no,

483
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:25.240
<v Speaker 1>it was like i'd beat. I'm like, yeah, I get that,

484
00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:26.839
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not trying to learn that. So I dropped

485
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:31.160
<v Speaker 1>it whatever because it wasn't what I thought it was

486
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<v Speaker 1>going to be right.

487
00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:34.799
<v Speaker 2>But I'm just checking out different things, you know, and

488
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:40.119
<v Speaker 2>exploring my options because I mean, if we do end

489
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<v Speaker 2>up actually doing movies here or short films.

490
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<v Speaker 1>You said the word that, I'm very confused.

491
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<v Speaker 2>What we know if Oh yeah, we can talk about

492
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:55.359
<v Speaker 2>for a long time.

493
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<v Speaker 1>So okay, so when we long time justin Burg, Well,

494
00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:01.279
<v Speaker 1>we've you've.

495
00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:03.640
<v Speaker 3>Been talking about doing a movie now for like two years,

496
00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:10.400
<v Speaker 3>three years. I've only been somewhere for five almost six almost.

497
00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:13.960
<v Speaker 3>We've had this place for what year in some months?

498
00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, So I'm just saying we're getting there. Doesn't

499
00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:24.440
<v Speaker 1>happen overnight, man, No, But am I taking the steps

500
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:25.000
<v Speaker 1>to get me there?

501
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Yep?

502
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I thought, because like I wrote a script already

503
00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:30.839
<v Speaker 1>and I'm totally going to rewrite the beginning of it.

504
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:34.480
<v Speaker 1>And I was thinking about it last night or slash

505
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:37.440
<v Speaker 1>this morning, like four. I'm like, now, that's how we

506
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:41.039
<v Speaker 1>need to do, and I'm there's a lot of changes

507
00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:43.759
<v Speaker 1>to it, but there's reasons for the changes. And I'm thinking,

508
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:45.200
<v Speaker 1>how am I going to get this into a five

509
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<v Speaker 1>minute film? That's what I'm thinking now, Like, how am

510
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:49.839
<v Speaker 1>I going to get this into a five minute film.

511
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:55.240
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be hard, but we'll make it work. It'll

512
00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>be good. Yeah, it will be And you know, like

513
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Darren was telling me, he's like, look, if you can

514
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:05.759
<v Speaker 1>make this five minute film like awesome and you can

515
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:09.759
<v Speaker 1>make people feel with it, you'll have no problem getting

516
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:14.680
<v Speaker 1>your full length movie funded. That's awesome, no problem whatsoever.

517
00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:17.000
<v Speaker 1>He's like, people will come out in woodworks. He's like

518
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:21.119
<v Speaker 1>them emotions, they open wallets, and he's like, you got

519
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Speaker 1>a good thing going. He's like, especially with the short

520
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:25.839
<v Speaker 1>that you're telling me, He's like that that could actually

521
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:28.359
<v Speaker 1>be a set up to your actual movie. Yeah. I

522
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:31.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, it could be, you know, but I

523
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:37.359
<v Speaker 1>really want to be known for making movies that portray

524
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:40.559
<v Speaker 1>the real side of addiction. You know, there's good people,

525
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.799
<v Speaker 1>there's bad people. You know, same thing with recovery. There's

526
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:47.359
<v Speaker 1>good people, there's bad people. Just in life, there's good

527
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:49.200
<v Speaker 1>people and bad people. But I really want to open

528
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:51.960
<v Speaker 1>that door to that real Like, if someone watches it,

529
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.799
<v Speaker 1>they'll say that that dude's been to treatment. Whoever wrote

530
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.440
<v Speaker 1>this movie knows what's going on. They understand addiction, they

531
00:26:58.480 --> 00:26:59.440
<v Speaker 1>understand recovery.

532
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're just not portraying well, this is what happens.

533
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.240
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, like butterflies and roses, you know, they don't

534
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.519
<v Speaker 2>show the big rain cloud that's hanging over your head

535
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:12.480
<v Speaker 2>right the whole time you're in treatment, until about your

536
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:17.160
<v Speaker 2>last few days where it finally starts to lift away,

537
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:20.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, and some sunshine comes into your life.

538
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I want to show I want to show

539
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.119
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that kind of happens with, you know, people

540
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:29.079
<v Speaker 1>that are on meth and you know, I think they

541
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.839
<v Speaker 1>start doing it now, but in this probably varies all

542
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 1>over the country. But if you're on Medicaid like a

543
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 1>year or so ago, maybe longer, but they wouldn't let

544
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>you go to detox because you technically couldn't die and

545
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:46.039
<v Speaker 1>withdrawing from meth, so they wouldn't put you into detox

546
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:48.799
<v Speaker 1>insuring someone pay for it. So they just put you

547
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:50.759
<v Speaker 1>right into treatment and they would give you like a

548
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:57.079
<v Speaker 1>week maybe two. And there was somebody I know went

549
00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:59.440
<v Speaker 1>through that and they put them in there and it's

550
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.880
<v Speaker 1>first week slept, and then the second week he kind

551
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.319
<v Speaker 1>of started coming around and he asked for an extension

552
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:08.079
<v Speaker 1>and they said, no, you didn't even go to your

553
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>groups the first week.

554
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

555
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 1>Well, what's the fu Like, what do you think he

556
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>was doing? Man? Like the phone was talking to him,

557
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 1>he was hearing voices, the walls were calling. What what

558
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 1>are you talking about?

559
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Like?

560
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.160
<v Speaker 1>You set him up to fail? Yeah, you know, I

561
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.559
<v Speaker 1>want to show some of that, you know, like this

562
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.480
<v Speaker 1>is what happens, and then to show that what happens,

563
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and then he goes right back out and he starts

564
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:34.799
<v Speaker 1>using again, and you just wasted money. You wasted money

565
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>because you didn't want to pay a little extra. Same thing.

566
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>What do we do with transportation? Yeah, you know, you

567
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>put somebody in a treatment center for two weeks, thirty days,

568
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>sixty days, ninety whatever it is, and then you don't

569
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:51.039
<v Speaker 1>have a plan to get them home safely to their door,

570
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:53.599
<v Speaker 1>and you let them call their drug dealer or come

571
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:55.799
<v Speaker 1>pick them up because you don't want to pay the

572
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>eighty to one hundred dollars or whatever it is to

573
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.319
<v Speaker 1>get them home safe. Yet you'll you'll pay two three

574
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:03.400
<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks a day to house them in this place,

575
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:07.440
<v Speaker 1>but oh no, the sixty bucks to take him homes

576
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.799
<v Speaker 1>there's too much. Wait what Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

577
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>And he doesn't even get home safe, so he feels

578
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>like a failure, and you put him on a bus. Oh,

579
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>he might have some money in his pocket somebody else.

580
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Send him twenty bucks. Hey, that's for some smokes to

581
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:22.599
<v Speaker 1>get you home. But I'm not coming to get you.

582
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.039
<v Speaker 1>It's a four hour trip, which is really a twelve

583
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:28.599
<v Speaker 1>hour bus ride sometimes with the layovers and this and that.

584
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>You send there with twenty bucks, and you look across

585
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.519
<v Speaker 1>the street. This happened to me when I was in Lancing.

586
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, I look across the street and there's a

587
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:36.279
<v Speaker 1>freaking liquor store.

588
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>And who hangs outside of liquor stores?

589
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:43.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, drug dealers, right, all the good people in society usually.

590
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, wait a minute. Of course I didn't

591
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:53.039
<v Speaker 1>have twenty dollars, but like, it's just all those things

592
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 1>that I was thinking, Like, man, if I did have

593
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty dollars, if I had three dollars, what I have

594
00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>went and bought something? I don't think so, because I'm

595
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:02.839
<v Speaker 1>on probation and I was trying to I was geared,

596
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>like I gotta get stuff done. But for somebody who's

597
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:08.799
<v Speaker 1>not And then they go home and they're drunk, They

598
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:10.599
<v Speaker 1>get off the bus and their family member pick them

599
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>up from the bus station or whatever.

600
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:15.559
<v Speaker 2>They're already wasted, they're already drunk.

601
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.400
<v Speaker 1>And here we go again, and now they probably get

602
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.119
<v Speaker 1>kicked out or they were told they could go home,

603
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>but now they can't.

604
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.599
<v Speaker 2>And where are they get left at the bus stop?

605
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Yep? And then you called to try to go back

606
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:28.160
<v Speaker 1>to treatment and they tell you that you just got

607
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:30.559
<v Speaker 1>out of treatment and that you obviously didn't learn anything,

608
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>so they're not going to pay for you to go

609
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>back to treatment for another sixty days. Yeah, then what

610
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:39.839
<v Speaker 1>do you do? Right? You're not you're not gonna start

611
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>hitting meetings, no, because you're already like, oh, I'm a failure.

612
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:45.160
<v Speaker 2>And you already had on the corner with the sign

613
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.480
<v Speaker 2>that says please help and so that we can keep

614
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.160
<v Speaker 2>drinking until you can get back into treatment.

615
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and people don't see all that. No, you know,

616
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 1>they don't understand. And it's not even that person's fault,

617
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>but he should have been stronger. You don't understand addiction,

618
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:05.359
<v Speaker 1>and they're saying that you don't understand how that works.

619
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Try not to eat for next two weeks. Yeah, and

620
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 1>just don't eat.

621
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>How about you put your phone down for two weeks?

622
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:16.519
<v Speaker 2>Go back to an old flip phone, an old school

623
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:22.000
<v Speaker 2>flip phone, and see how well you're like, where's my Facebook?

624
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Like I have nothing to click the like button or

625
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:27.839
<v Speaker 2>the heart button while I'm sitting here taking a deuce,

626
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Like I have nothing to do now, you know, because

627
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 2>no one has magazines in their bathroom like everyone used

628
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:37.119
<v Speaker 2>to when I was growing up as a kid. You know,

629
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:43.319
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, you could take addiction in multiple different areas.

630
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:46.359
<v Speaker 2>Our smartphones are addictive as shit.

631
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when your brain is honed in on that, Like

632
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.200
<v Speaker 1>I said, you know, don't eat, you know, because that's

633
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 1>the closest thing I can compare to, because that's one

634
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>of the survival instincts that we have, you know, food, shelter, water,

635
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 1>like that's number one. Well, when you become addicted, that

636
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>takes over, that change because your brain chemistry changes. So

637
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>the most important thing to me at one time in

638
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:13.319
<v Speaker 1>life was alcohol. Sure, I pay my rent, but only

639
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.720
<v Speaker 1>when I got my check. I pay that first because

640
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>I could drink at my house. If I couldn't drink

641
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>at my house, I wouldn't have paid my rent, No,

642
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 1>I tell you that. But alcohol was number one. That

643
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>was number one for me. And when it becomes number

644
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:29.799
<v Speaker 1>one for you, and you go to a bus station.

645
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't care if it's been sixty days, ninety days.

646
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:35.799
<v Speaker 1>It's going to take time for your brain to change,

647
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna have to set goals. You have to

648
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>do all this other stuff, and a lot of times

649
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>in these streatment centers, depending which one you go, and

650
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:45.039
<v Speaker 1>depending what mind frame you have when you go there.

651
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:47.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, are you like, oh, okay, I just need

652
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to make some money. Once I get some money, I

653
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.319
<v Speaker 1>could pay my bills. The reason why I drink is

654
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 1>because my bills piling up. It's not why I drank.

655
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>It was an excuse I can't pay my bills, right,

656
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't the reason I drink. I drink because it's

657
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:03.279
<v Speaker 1>too I wasn't gonna like I'm gonna move to Seattle,

658
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>damn it, Son's here too. I wasn't, you know, like,

659
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:11.119
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't looking for the solution. I was just looking

660
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:16.039
<v Speaker 1>for more excuses. And so I think it's very important

661
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 1>for people to to understand someone like we're talking earlier.

662
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, put yourself in that person's shoes. Imagine having

663
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.759
<v Speaker 1>that urge so bad that you know it'll screw up

664
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>your whole life, the last sixty days down the drain

665
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.319
<v Speaker 1>if you go across there and buy that, but yet

666
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:38.519
<v Speaker 1>nine times out of ten the person would do that.

667
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 1>That is a little bit of what it's like to

668
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:44.160
<v Speaker 1>be addicted to something.

669
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, and there's an alright movie. It's

670
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.880
<v Speaker 2>very corny to watch it. The first time I watched it,

671
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I laughed. I was like, oh, I just pointed out, like,

672
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.960
<v Speaker 2>look how stupid this is. You know. But when I

673
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>went to work at a treatment center the same when

674
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:04.559
<v Speaker 2>you worked at. The movie was called Pleasures Unwoven. You know,

675
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:10.360
<v Speaker 2>it really broke it down scientifically about how addiction does work.

676
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:12.760
<v Speaker 2>And you know, the like I said, the first time

677
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.039
<v Speaker 2>watched it, I was like, oh, look look how corny

678
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and cheap and cheesy this is. But like the second

679
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:20.679
<v Speaker 2>or third time I watched it, when I started doing

680
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:24.280
<v Speaker 2>that group, I was like, holy Kyle, there's actually a

681
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:27.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of information in here. You know that it really

682
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.440
<v Speaker 2>tells you about how addiction does work and how it

683
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:36.800
<v Speaker 2>fits the disease model because there is really no cure

684
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:40.559
<v Speaker 2>for it, so it's a disease. You know, it's no

685
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 2>different than diabetes, is the way they kind of put it,

686
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, we will eventually die from it

687
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>if we don't try to change our ways. And it's

688
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.960
<v Speaker 2>very hard to change our ways when we don't produce

689
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.599
<v Speaker 2>dopamine anymore, or our serotonin levels when they drop and

690
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.280
<v Speaker 2>we just don't know how to do it anymore, and

691
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>it takes a while for those to kick back in

692
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:09.320
<v Speaker 2>naturally because our drug of choices robbed us from our

693
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:13.440
<v Speaker 2>natural levels. Because when we use, our dopamine spikes through

694
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.280
<v Speaker 2>the roof like this is a great time bubbo, and

695
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 2>it tells your brain that we need more and more

696
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.800
<v Speaker 2>and more of this. And that's the problem that goes

697
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:26.079
<v Speaker 2>that happens with addiction, is our dopamine levels just spike.

698
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Through the roof. Then they call it the pink cloud.

699
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>And that's when we stop using. You know, for that

700
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:39.039
<v Speaker 1>first two weeks to month, maybe could go longer, but

701
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.760
<v Speaker 1>your brain starts kicking into gear because it's like, hold on,

702
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.360
<v Speaker 1>we got to make more of that because we're not

703
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>getting that. So your brain goes over the over the top,

704
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>making it to like hey, here you go, here you go.

705
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.960
<v Speaker 1>And then your brain's like, well hold on, that's way

706
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.159
<v Speaker 1>too much. Let's back and then it drops down and

707
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people call that hitting the wall, you know,

708
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.519
<v Speaker 1>and that's when nothing, nothing thing normally in life that

709
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:03.679
<v Speaker 1>makes you happy will make you happy. Whether it's seeing

710
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:07.679
<v Speaker 1>your kid, your puppy, your dog, whatever it's it's not

711
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:09.440
<v Speaker 1>going to make you happy. And that's when people get

712
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:12.039
<v Speaker 1>frustrated and they're like, nothing, I'm doing the right things

713
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.679
<v Speaker 1>and everything sucks and da da da da da. And

714
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:19.920
<v Speaker 1>through my journey, you know, I would put months together,

715
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 1>and I used to frust me, frustrate me because I

716
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>would go to like the IOP groups and I'd be like, look, yeah,

717
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I might have relapsed, but but I had four months

718
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>in there, you know, isn't my brain starting to heal?

719
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:32.639
<v Speaker 1>And they'd be like, no, you got to have, you know,

720
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.199
<v Speaker 1>to at least two to five years is what they

721
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.360
<v Speaker 1>say for your brain to totally heal. But my brain

722
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.159
<v Speaker 1>is starting to heal, you know, just because I had

723
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>a relapse for a week or a WEEKND or whatever, Like,

724
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.480
<v Speaker 1>can I count that time? Does my brain healing? I

725
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:49.639
<v Speaker 1>don't want to count that as cleaning toime, you know,

726
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:52.599
<v Speaker 1>is my sober date. But like, but that that stuff

727
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 1>does add up, and it does. And I found out

728
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 1>the hard way with drinking, because you will black out

729
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.760
<v Speaker 1>when you go to drink what you thought you would

730
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:05.199
<v Speaker 1>drink before, right and or thought you can drink what

731
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.079
<v Speaker 1>you did before, and you realize you can't because you

732
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>black out, and then who knows, you know, and then

733
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.440
<v Speaker 1>just pray that God's there to save you and to

734
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:18.599
<v Speaker 1>look after you like it was for me. But it's

735
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:23.480
<v Speaker 1>it's at least something. You know, I wouldn't knock somebody

736
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>for having three months and then you know, going back

737
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.679
<v Speaker 1>out and relapse in. And it's as long as they're

738
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:29.559
<v Speaker 1>learning along the way.

739
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:29.800
<v Speaker 2>You know.

740
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:31.440
<v Speaker 1>We had a guy come here the other day, I guess,

741
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know, talking about something happened, and it's like

742
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>all right, cool, like well, what are you doing now?

743
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, like let's go that that didn't work out,

744
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:42.639
<v Speaker 1>And you know we're not going to chastise him and

745
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.039
<v Speaker 1>say he's an idiot or stupid. We've been there, We've

746
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:48.719
<v Speaker 1>done that. You know. It's like it is a process.

747
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.559
<v Speaker 1>It takes time, but it's it's always there at the

748
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:54.440
<v Speaker 1>back of your mind, you know, saying hey, come on,

749
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.639
<v Speaker 1>you can do it one more time. It gets easier,

750
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, as you have time under your belt. I know,

751
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.800
<v Speaker 1>for if I have twenty years, if I have forty years,

752
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:09.239
<v Speaker 1>if I take a drink, I'm done. I know that

753
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.079
<v Speaker 1>I've seen it. I've seen people with twenty years and

754
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.239
<v Speaker 1>they're like, COVID came along and I missed my one

755
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.280
<v Speaker 1>meeting a week that I went to it, closed it

756
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.920
<v Speaker 1>down and thought I could drink again.

757
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought I'd manage it.

758
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

759
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I deserve one with with my dinner tonight.

760
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's been it's been twenty years. I can have

761
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:29.199
<v Speaker 1>one tonight with the game or whatever. Nope, can't. I

762
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.199
<v Speaker 1>can't have one, and I'm cool with it, and I'm

763
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:37.800
<v Speaker 1>good with it. And now saying that, knowing that, does

764
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:39.440
<v Speaker 1>that mean I'm not going to make a bad decision

765
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>along the way. I freaking hope not right. But you

766
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:45.400
<v Speaker 1>never know what's going to happen or what could have

767
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 1>happened or whatever. But I'm not using that as an

768
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:51.199
<v Speaker 1>excuse either, as as I used to use when people

769
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 1>would say, oh, relapse is part of recovery, which is

770
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.639
<v Speaker 1>not part of the addiction. I would use that as

771
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.639
<v Speaker 1>a well, I can drink tonight because well, relapse is

772
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.840
<v Speaker 1>part of recovery. So here we go. You know, let's

773
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>get that excuse. But I'm just saying just to not

774
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, I'm never never gonna I don't care

775
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:11.679
<v Speaker 1>what happened. I can't say that. I cannot sit here

776
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>honestly and tell you that. But I hope and pray

777
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:16.760
<v Speaker 1>that I do never drink again.

778
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's one thing I really like hanging out

779
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 2>with what people call the old timers that have twenty

780
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:29.920
<v Speaker 2>thirty years because they've lived life and have to navigate

781
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:36.760
<v Speaker 2>through life turtles, whether if it's death, loss of a job, whatever, like,

782
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:42.000
<v Speaker 2>they've had to live through that experience and gain that

783
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.880
<v Speaker 2>personal experience, you know. And I really take value in

784
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.360
<v Speaker 2>those people because those are the people that's going to

785
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:52.239
<v Speaker 2>show you how to navigate your life when something like

786
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:56.480
<v Speaker 2>that happens. You know, you hang around a meeting where

787
00:39:56.519 --> 00:40:01.360
<v Speaker 2>you feel more comfortable because everyone's new to recovery. Those

788
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:05.199
<v Speaker 2>people don't know how to navigate life when it comes

789
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:09.800
<v Speaker 2>down to your mom dying. Compared to an older, an

790
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.199
<v Speaker 2>old timer, a gentleman who just lost his wife, you know,

791
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:18.320
<v Speaker 2>and stayed sober because he knew how to manage that.

792
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Those newcomers ain't gonna know how to manage that. It

793
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 2>is not speaking ill of a newcomer. It's you don't

794
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:31.400
<v Speaker 2>have the experience and the longevity of recovery to be

795
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 2>able to know, Okay, well I need to do this.

796
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:36.519
<v Speaker 2>I need to hang up with these people. I don't

797
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:38.840
<v Speaker 2>need to isolate because when I sit in my house

798
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.119
<v Speaker 2>and dwell on it, I'm gonna relapse.

799
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was talking to my dad about that yesterday,

800
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:51.159
<v Speaker 1>about how people will, you know, be in early recovery

801
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:54.599
<v Speaker 1>and then a death will happen and then we see

802
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.360
<v Speaker 1>him again and they're like, yeah, sorry, man, I started drinking,

803
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.519
<v Speaker 1>and lad they started like apologizing to me, like they

804
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.920
<v Speaker 1>did something wrong. And it's like, look, man, you don't

805
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.079
<v Speaker 1>need to apologize to me, but like, a death will

806
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:08.559
<v Speaker 1>hit you and it throws people off, and I don't

807
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:10.639
<v Speaker 1>know how I'm going to react. But I told my

808
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>dad it's like, I'm not planning for your death or anything,

809
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 1>but I know that me drinking is not going to

810
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.800
<v Speaker 1>honor you in any way. No, you know, they would

811
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 1>honor you for me not to drink and for me

812
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.800
<v Speaker 1>to remember the times we did have together. And yeah,

813
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be sad. You know, I'll stab when

814
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:37.719
<v Speaker 1>my cat died, But drinking is not going to bring

815
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>her back. You know, Drinking is not going to bring

816
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:43.360
<v Speaker 1>my mother, stepfather, dad, or grandma's And drinking doesn't bring

817
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:48.840
<v Speaker 1>anything back, and they would be pissed. Say there is

818
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:51.360
<v Speaker 1>a heaven and say that you can wander this earth

819
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:55.239
<v Speaker 1>as a spirit. They would be so disappointed. Come check

820
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>on me, and here I am just drunk off my

821
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>ass doing nothing. You know, they would be they would

822
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:03.599
<v Speaker 1>be very dishonored. Yep.

823
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:05.519
<v Speaker 2>And you know I kind of went through that when

824
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:06.599
<v Speaker 2>my uncle passed away.

825
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I was.

826
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Just over my two year mark and he ended up dying,

827
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:18.239
<v Speaker 2>and Dude, the emotions I felt like, I've never felt

828
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:22.519
<v Speaker 2>those emotions before because I was always so under the

829
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:26.000
<v Speaker 2>influence of something, whether if it was marijuana, a couple

830
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:30.840
<v Speaker 2>of beers, or maybe some harder drugs. You know, I'd

831
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.880
<v Speaker 2>never had to experience that sober and it about wrecked me.

832
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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, I knew he wouldn't want

833
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<v Speaker 2>me to go back out to go cope in an

834
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:45.920
<v Speaker 2>unhealthy manner, you know, and to actually build a cope

835
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<v Speaker 2>and be like, well, I'm gonna stay sober for you,

836
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<v Speaker 2>no matter how long it takes for us to meet again.

837
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to remain sober and it was hard.

838
00:42:56.679 --> 00:43:01.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I can at least prepare myself a little

839
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<v Speaker 1>bit because I know it's going to happen, you know,

840
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:08.639
<v Speaker 1>unless I die first. But whatever, those are things that

841
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I can set into place to go. Look, Corey, prepare

842
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:14.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, like you there's some things that hit you

843
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.320
<v Speaker 1>sideways and you didn't see coming. You're like, oh my god,

844
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:17.800
<v Speaker 1>How'm I gonna do with that?

845
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Right?

846
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Hopefully I deal with that wisely. But

847
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:26.440
<v Speaker 1>it's addiction, man, It's always going to be there. And

848
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 1>thankfully I do know. Smoking weeds not the way that

849
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.039
<v Speaker 1>leads me back to alcohol every time. You know, acids,

850
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.000
<v Speaker 1>not away, eating shrooms isn't isn't going to help me,

851
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, like staying away from that first drink and

852
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.000
<v Speaker 1>not taking that first drink because is the only way

853
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:44.280
<v Speaker 1>I can do it. You know, some people, I'm on

854
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:46.119
<v Speaker 1>some box and I'm on this and the okay whatever,

855
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:47.800
<v Speaker 1>And if you like to pay the drug companies money,

856
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:51.440
<v Speaker 1>then go ahead. But there's natural ways to do things,

857
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.400
<v Speaker 1>there really is. You know a lot of people meditate.

858
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:56.719
<v Speaker 1>I used to meditate a lot, and it just calmed

859
00:43:56.719 --> 00:44:00.800
<v Speaker 1>me down and it really helped me kind of hone

860
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<v Speaker 1>in and focus on what was going on in the moment. Yeah,

861
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:07.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, and dealing with things in the moment. Now,

862
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:13.559
<v Speaker 1>I had pancreatic pain and I tried to meditate on

863
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:15.719
<v Speaker 1>that and that didn't work. And I was seeing billboards

864
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:20.559
<v Speaker 1>at the time like don't take pain killers, meditate. I'm

865
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:23.679
<v Speaker 1>like shit, Like okay, they say that's someone who loses

866
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:27.119
<v Speaker 1>their leg, Like, oh, don't worry about that pain. It's

867
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 1>just meditating, right.

868
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:32.719
<v Speaker 2>All that pain your experiences, it's called phantom pain. Is

869
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.599
<v Speaker 2>the reason why you got pain in your foot that's

870
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 2>no longer there. Yeah.

871
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.320
<v Speaker 1>And when I did have my gallbladder removes, you know,

872
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.119
<v Speaker 1>they put me on oxy cotone and I quickly and

873
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:44.519
<v Speaker 1>I did podcasts about this. You know, I found myself

874
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:47.599
<v Speaker 1>just popping them every four hours. I think it was

875
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:49.480
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be every four to six, but every four. Man.

876
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:53.239
<v Speaker 1>I was over there and my doctor I told her

877
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:57.519
<v Speaker 1>I was in recovery, and she's like, okay, well i'll

878
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.119
<v Speaker 1>give you a week at a time, right, you know,

879
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like okay, cool. And then sometimes the pain would increase,

880
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:06.679
<v Speaker 1>which was weird, And that's how it supposed to be happening.

881
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, well, it's because I had my operation

882
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:10.880
<v Speaker 1>here in Travers City. That's why it's happening, because it's

883
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:12.840
<v Speaker 1>not done right. If we go to Grand Rapid and

884
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.960
<v Speaker 1>so like, she would up it and but then she knew,

885
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:17.320
<v Speaker 1>like to wean me off of it. But then when

886
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I found myself popping them all the time, I went

887
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>to her and I was like, look, I'm I'm noticing

888
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm taking these things whether I'm in pain or not.

889
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 1>And if I don't have them, I feel a little sick,

890
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.039
<v Speaker 1>you know. And I know what that little sick is,

891
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:33.519
<v Speaker 1>and that's withdrawal. So let's let's get out a plan

892
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.559
<v Speaker 1>to really like kind of get me off of these.

893
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.320
<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to start writing down exactly when I

894
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:41.559
<v Speaker 1>take them, you know, And that way I can report

895
00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:44.760
<v Speaker 1>that to you, not that you need it, but it's

896
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.679
<v Speaker 1>for me, you know. And she was like, oh, okay, cool, Yeah,

897
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:51.199
<v Speaker 1>we'll do that. And so I would write down every

898
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:52.599
<v Speaker 1>time I took them, and I would send it to

899
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:54.559
<v Speaker 1>her like here, here's here's when I took them. Here's

900
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.639
<v Speaker 1>when I was feeling the most pain. And I started thinking,

901
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.199
<v Speaker 1>do I need them right now? And you know, than

902
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:01.840
<v Speaker 1>the weaning off, and I was able to get off

903
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:05.039
<v Speaker 1>of them. But it's it's plains like that. And like

904
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:09.199
<v Speaker 1>I said before on I guess not this podcast, but

905
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:11.639
<v Speaker 1>on the two seventeen Recovery podcast, which I guess this

906
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:15.559
<v Speaker 1>could be that podcast too, is it really wasn't the

907
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 1>problem with the opioids. It's the problem with taking them away.

908
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:21.960
<v Speaker 1>And like the doctors did back then, they just took

909
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:24.000
<v Speaker 1>them all away from people. And then people started seeking

910
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.599
<v Speaker 1>how other other methods and other avenues of war can

911
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:29.079
<v Speaker 1>I get this? Oh, here's some heroin. Oh, here's some

912
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.159
<v Speaker 1>of this. Here's somethentanol. Oh, here's this and that does

913
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:33.039
<v Speaker 1>the same thing, but it's better. Oh my god, cool,

914
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I'll take that instead. I don't have to go to

915
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.280
<v Speaker 1>the doctor and get treated like a drug addict anymore

916
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.400
<v Speaker 1>when I'm just trying not to be sick. And a

917
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of times when people are getting out those drugs,

918
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:44.079
<v Speaker 1>it's they're just trying not to be sick, and the

919
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:45.639
<v Speaker 1>doctor's like, well, have you've been on long enough? We're

920
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:48.000
<v Speaker 1>just going to cut you off. We're pump the brakes man,

921
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:51.760
<v Speaker 1>wean people off. Yeah, exactly, you know, like that's the

922
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:53.400
<v Speaker 1>education people should be teaching you.

923
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, otherwise they're going to go see the street pharmacists. Yeah, who,

924
00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 2>you don't know if you're actually getting the real pill.

925
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.920
<v Speaker 2>We're a fake pill and that fake pill will kill you.

926
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:06.800
<v Speaker 1>It will and you don't know. Oh, no, I got

927
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:07.519
<v Speaker 1>this from Johnny.

928
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well where Johnny get him from?

929
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:14.599
<v Speaker 1>The cartel was a guy. No, his people are straight. No,

930
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Johnny doesn't know where the fuck he got his pills from. No,

931
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:19.960
<v Speaker 1>he got him from Carlos. Where Carlos get him from? Well,

932
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:23.119
<v Speaker 1>he got him from Skeeter. Skeeter, and where Skeeter get

933
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.480
<v Speaker 1>him from? He got him from little Dick what. Yeah,

934
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:29.639
<v Speaker 1>good luck luck tracking that down, I know. And it's

935
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:31.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of funny how I having the conversation with Kim

936
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the other day about this, because when I was in

937
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>treatment last time, there was a guy that was in

938
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.199
<v Speaker 1>the military and he was overseas in Afghanistan, and I

939
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:40.960
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, it must have been tough, like going

940
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:42.960
<v Speaker 1>through door to door and I didn't do another that.

941
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.880
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I was protecting the poppy fields. Yeah, he's

942
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:51.960
<v Speaker 1>like what He's like, Yeah, Pfizer actually has a big

943
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.360
<v Speaker 1>ass poppy field over there that I guess the government

944
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:56.239
<v Speaker 1>had seized and then like, hey, Pfizer, you want this,

945
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:59.360
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like sure. And then Pfizer was paying the

946
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:03.440
<v Speaker 1>military to protect their opium fields so that they can

947
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:06.880
<v Speaker 1>make their drugs and had some here. And meanwhile, meanwhile,

948
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:09.000
<v Speaker 1>when you watch on the news and all the election ads,

949
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like, oh, they're gonna do the border.

950
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 1>All the drugs are coming through the border. Not all

951
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:19.239
<v Speaker 1>of them, No, some of them are military protecting.

952
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.239
<v Speaker 2>You know. Maybe we're in Vietnam for the same reason.

953
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:27.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it just so happens to be a coincidence there.

954
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:30.639
<v Speaker 2>Guys came back too on heroine. I don't know, you know,

955
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.679
<v Speaker 2>from Vietnam or you know, you could look at Panama,

956
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, when we're down there in the eighties and

957
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:41.440
<v Speaker 2>it got flooded with cocaine in the America. I mean,

958
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:45.280
<v Speaker 2>that's just coincidential. You know, the crack to the.

959
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Getos and yeah, yeah, here you go.

960
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:52.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's all for entertainment purposes.

961
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's give them guns and crack there you go. Yeah,

962
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:58.599
<v Speaker 1>they'll kill each other and let's sick tupacs.

963
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.199
<v Speaker 2>That Have you ever seen that movie that TV show

964
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:07.039
<v Speaker 2>the FX did called Snowfall no, dude, it'll blow your mind.

965
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:08.880
<v Speaker 1>It probably piss me off.

966
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Because it really shows you how just one ambitious kid

967
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.480
<v Speaker 2>can make so much money. Why the government helps him

968
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.360
<v Speaker 2>make all this money and then takes it all away

969
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:29.719
<v Speaker 2>from him. Yeah, and then he becomes what he despises

970
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the most about life at the end of it, and

971
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:33.880
<v Speaker 2>it was really sad.

972
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we're not going to do chickens because I

973
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:45.880
<v Speaker 1>think I'm going to make this Recovery Dads and the

974
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:47.559
<v Speaker 1>two seventeen Recovery podcast.

975
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's pretty good either way, a little.

976
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:54.199
<v Speaker 1>Two for one today or maybe we'll just in the

977
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:58.079
<v Speaker 1>two seventeen Recovery podcast. Now I'm into our chickens. And

978
00:49:58.079 --> 00:49:59.639
<v Speaker 1>then if people are like, what are the chickens? Where

979
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:02.960
<v Speaker 1>you can go listen to a recovery dance dot com.

980
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 2>But we did use the recovery dance open for us.

981
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh oh oh, I can fix that. Thanks for

982
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:14.760
<v Speaker 1>listening to the two seventeen Recovery podcast. Listen to over

983
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.159
<v Speaker 1>nine hundred episodes on the two seventeen Recovery app that's

984
00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:21.559
<v Speaker 1>free in your app store or online at two seventeen

985
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:24.920
<v Speaker 1>recovery dot com.
