Speaker 1: Oh hey, it's your favorite thermiss rusting in an airport,
Speaker 1: Austin found again, Ali Ward and welcome. You've managed part
Speaker 1: two of Crabs. You're here. If you've skipped part one,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you doing here? Go to part one?
Speaker 1: Part one? Go to part one. This is part two. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a reason we put these in order, and in
Speaker 1: part one you're going to learn how a brach urine
Speaker 1: true crab differs from an animurine non true crab, how
Speaker 1: some crabs hangout in pods, speculations about Amelia Earhart's fate,
Speaker 1: the weird history behind Old Bay seasoning, if you should
Speaker 1: eat the guts of a crab, huge land dwelling hermit
Speaker 1: crabs that could crush a skull, and what cancers and
Speaker 1: cancers have in common, and so much more. So we're
Speaker 1: now back with part two to address questions from listeners
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Speaker 1: let's crack into all of your questions with a very dedicated,
Speaker 1: dry wise and wonderful crab expert. Does he hate me?
Speaker 1: Does he like being interviewed? Listen to the end for
Speaker 1: his honest assessment of hanging out with me on a
Speaker 1: Sunday morning at his workplace, the beloved Natural histor Museum
Speaker 1: of Valley Counties Dungeon of Dungeness and other crabs with researcher, taxonomist,
Speaker 1: crustacean husiast, and carcinologist Adam Waller. Okay, let's creep out
Speaker 1: of our shells with this first one from patron Ali
Speaker 1: Brown and Ali Myers. Do they have dicks crabs?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you pluralize it on purpose because they had? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do they have more than one dick?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So this is a this is like a thing.
Speaker 2: Crustaceans in general tend to have paired reproductive structures. So
Speaker 2: their male crabs have giano pods. And these are a
Speaker 2: thing that you could think of as fulfilling the same
Speaker 2: purpose as a penis. They are actually modified pleopods, two
Speaker 2: of them, and they transfer sperm from the male into
Speaker 2: the female's gana pores. The female has these two pores
Speaker 2: where she can receive sperm. And yeah, if you want
Speaker 2: to imagine, yes, Just for.
Speaker 1: The record, Adam did not say that crabs have dicks,
Speaker 1: because they don't have dicks, but he said, if we
Speaker 1: want to imagine gona pods as a pair of penises,
Speaker 1: you're incorrect, but you may do so for the sake
Speaker 1: of simplicity or just for your own amusement. Also, if
Speaker 1: you wish that we just had a whole episode about Dix,
Speaker 1: we do. And philology is linked in the show notes.
Speaker 1: It's a real study. Okay, onward, upward. Let's move on
Speaker 1: to some more serious questions. Earl of Gramlekin wants to
Speaker 1: know do they have a butthole? As long as we're
Speaker 1: in that region of the crab, I mean, what does
Speaker 1: crabpoo look like?
Speaker 2: Uh? Crab poo can be a you liquidy, That's what
Speaker 2: I would say. Yeah, a lot of that. It depends
Speaker 2: on the crab's diet. Okay, all replace, Olivia, are all
Speaker 2: your patreons going to be asking?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, this is.
Speaker 1: Just up top.
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, you know you just we need to know.
Speaker 1: Olivia Alasin wants to know why is their tooth in
Speaker 1: their stomach? Is that flim flame? Is there a tooth
Speaker 1: in their stomach? This is a question I never would
Speaker 1: have thought to ask, because stomach and teeth is just
Speaker 1: a pair of nightmare words. But patron Alia Meyer's boyfriend,
Speaker 1: paper Wasp enthusiast and Earl of gramble can have questions
Speaker 1: about crabs and their salty pie holes and then what
Speaker 1: lies beyond.
Speaker 2: I have a gastric mill. It's not because they need
Speaker 2: to chew things up, Okay, they need to break things
Speaker 2: down mechanically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, does their mouth collect things? It gets shoved in
Speaker 1: there and then is it kind of like a crop
Speaker 1: and a.
Speaker 2: Bird similar type of function, but yeah, very different structures.
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, if you need to just know more
Speaker 1: about this asap, you can see the twenty eleven paper
Speaker 1: characterization of cellulose and hemicellulose digestion in land crabs with
Speaker 1: special reference to Chicarsoitia natalis, which explains that the ossicles
Speaker 1: that form in the gastric mill extend into the lumen
Speaker 1: of the stomach and are formed into three calcified kiten
Speaker 1: covered teeth. And I know you're hungry for more on
Speaker 1: crab stomach teeth and gastric mills. So, according to the
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen paper growling from the gut co option of
Speaker 1: the gastric mill for acoustic communication in ghost crabs. So
Speaker 1: ghost grabs clatter their little stomach teeth in this growling
Speaker 1: sound to scare things away ghost crabs. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: that is haunting. But now on the upside, the words decapod,
Speaker 1: gastric mill have meaning to you, and now you can
Speaker 1: begin dates with crabs kind of have stomach teeth. How
Speaker 1: about that janetosaur? How soft are soft shell crabs? Are
Speaker 1: they leathery like a leatherback turtle.
Speaker 2: So soft shell crabs are I would say softer than
Speaker 2: a lover back turtle because those have levers pretty tough, right,
Speaker 2: A molted crab is pretty fragile. It's very fragile. Nowhere
Speaker 2: near as tough as leather, but maybe a similar type
Speaker 2: of texture kind of thing going on.
Speaker 1: Is a soft shell crab just a recently molted one
Speaker 1: or is it a completely it's a soft shell all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this is this is fun? How how?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Not a different species. Soft shell crabs are just crabs
Speaker 2: that they are serving to you right after it's molted.
Speaker 2: Now you're going to ask the question, how do you
Speaker 2: have soft shell crabs? Because things only molt periodically and
Speaker 2: it ye's really difficult to catch a crab because we
Speaker 2: essentially all the crabs that we are caught, right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So they do this thing where they catch crabs and
Speaker 2: they put them into cages and they keep them until
Speaker 2: it's time to prevent the molt. Then they molt and
Speaker 2: then they get turned into shop sheell crabs.
Speaker 1: What kind of species are they?
Speaker 2: There's several species. I think one of the more popular
Speaker 2: ones is actually a swimming crab, so something like the
Speaker 2: blue crab.
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I had no idea. So yes,
Speaker 1: if like me, you've often enjoyed like a spider roll
Speaker 1: with that crunch and chew of kind of like a
Speaker 1: bug like texture, you now are burdened with the knowledge
Speaker 1: that that crab was harvested at its most vulnerable within
Speaker 1: hours of molting. Are they like the veal of the
Speaker 1: crab world? That's for you to grapple with philosophically. I
Speaker 1: get it, I'm right there with you. But what about
Speaker 1: crabs with steamy kind of shells? Patrons Merry Long's two
Speaker 1: year old and first question askers Lizzie R. And John
Speaker 1: wanted to know about crustacean color schemes. Why do their
Speaker 1: shells change color when they are when they come in
Speaker 1: contact with very hot.
Speaker 2: Water denaturing of proteins I imagine. Okay, so a lot
Speaker 2: of the coloration of crustaceans are these pigments that are
Speaker 2: probably getting denatured as broken apart and may stop being
Speaker 2: the thing that they are at these higher temperatures, and
Speaker 2: their colors will change.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when a pigment is exposed to heat, the
Speaker 1: pigment gets separated from a membrane and a bright color
Speaker 1: can shine through. And for more on the shellfish particular,
Speaker 1: so you can see the twenty twenty two paper in
Speaker 1: the journal Physics Today titled why do lobsters change color
Speaker 1: when cooked? Innovative crystallographic techniques help solve an intriguing scientific
Speaker 1: and culinary puzzle. Also speaking of visual feasts, patrons Olivia Eliason,
Speaker 1: Kate Monker, Naomi Jane, Matt herschel Pi Cameron, and emilyp
Speaker 1: want to know what they can see through their cute
Speaker 1: be little peepers. In their words, a lot of people
Speaker 1: want to know about eyes, what's going on? What do
Speaker 1: they see with those stock eyes? Kate Tims wants to
Speaker 1: know why do they look so cute when they're cleaning
Speaker 1: their little eyestalks? Real question? Are they cleaning or are
Speaker 1: they just eating the stuff growing on them? Just nomin
Speaker 1: on it?
Speaker 2: Why can't one thing be two things it?
Speaker 1: I'm sure it can be both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it can be both. There are definitely
Speaker 2: situations where I think they're eating it, and there's probably
Speaker 2: definitely situations where they're much more just concerned with getting
Speaker 2: it off of their eyes. Visual systems in animals in
Speaker 2: general are absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: This is adam excited and I love it.
Speaker 2: They're complex, or these multifaceted eyes. They don't resolve things
Speaker 2: the same way that human eyes do for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are they looking at? How do they see it?
Speaker 2: I don't think they resolve images as well as we.
Speaker 2: So it's going to be like a lot of light
Speaker 2: not light.
Speaker 1: Let's take a sideway stroll through a nineteen eighty six
Speaker 1: Journal of Comparative Physiology article titled Eyes, Eyestalks and the
Speaker 1: Visual World of semi terrestrial Crabs, which wants you to
Speaker 1: know that narrow fronted species have their eyes close together
Speaker 1: on these elongated, vertically oriented eyestalks, and they see in
Speaker 1: a narrow vertical band. But broad fronted species have their
Speaker 1: eyes far apart on short eyestalks, and they don't have
Speaker 1: this better band of vertical resolution. So the narrow fronted
Speaker 1: crab folks with the taller eyestalks are known to live
Speaker 1: in relatively flat terrains, and it may help the critters
Speaker 1: get better info as to depth with just a single
Speaker 1: eye at a time. And I also figured i'd just
Speaker 1: take a trip through the twenty nineteen study Parallel processing
Speaker 1: of polarization and intensity information in fiddler crab vision from
Speaker 1: the Journal of Scientific Advances. Okay, in this set, so yeah,
Speaker 1: fiddler crabs process polarization and intensity information independently and in
Speaker 1: parallel and this uses what's called a dipolatic system with
Speaker 1: two channels of foot of receptors like some insects and
Speaker 1: cephalopods have. And this works really well for fiddler crabs
Speaker 1: because of their mud flat environment where things are like
Speaker 1: pretty goopy and brown, but polarization information can tell them
Speaker 1: a lot about the sky and reflections on the mud flat,
Speaker 1: much more than just contrast. Also, in looking this up,
Speaker 1: Google kept correcting over and over dipolatic vision and taking
Speaker 1: me straight to pages about diplomatic missions. And I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: i am not here to learn about molotov cocktails, fire bombing,
Speaker 1: and embassy Thank you. That's for another day, but right
Speaker 1: now I need to understand crab is stalks. Can we
Speaker 1: move on? Is it appropriate to ask? In Nova's words,
Speaker 1: is eating crab sustainable? Alexander wanted to know if invasive
Speaker 1: king crabs were a thing.
Speaker 2: Could they find the invasive king crabs and make it
Speaker 2: ethically better for eating them?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That would be lovely one in it is it sustainable
Speaker 2: to eat crabs? So Monterey Bay Aquarium has a really
Speaker 2: nice list for sustainable fish options, so that would be
Speaker 2: a good resource.
Speaker 1: I think so many people obviously are like, how do
Speaker 1: I eat them? So I asked the Monterey Bay Aquarium
Speaker 1: I via just a search bar on their website, and
Speaker 1: currently the best buys for sustainability are blue crab from
Speaker 1: Chesapeake Bay, blue king crab from the Bearing Sea, Golden
Speaker 1: king crab from the Bearing Sea, and dungeness from the
Speaker 1: Pacific is a good alternative buy. But just be aware
Speaker 1: of seasonal concerns and these harmful algal blooms they can happen.
Speaker 1: But of course I don't know if you're headed to
Speaker 1: Russia or Norway or I guess even the UK. Now,
Speaker 1: help eat all those invasive spiderwalk and king crabs that
Speaker 1: were introduced in the nineteen sixties that we talked about
Speaker 1: in part one. Also send me a gee count invite
Speaker 1: I just I want to help out. Or maybe maybe
Speaker 1: you could not eat the crabs, you could adopt one
Speaker 1: of them, kind of like a feral chihuahua. Name it Roger,
Speaker 1: fall in love with it. Red cedar and ten Bowen's
Speaker 1: want to no thoughts on keeping crabs as pets. Hermit
Speaker 1: crabs are often kept in bad conditions, but the idea
Speaker 1: of a pet crab is whimsical. They say, you mentioned
Speaker 1: coconut crabs being kept as pets.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So the coconut crabs that I'm aware of
Speaker 2: that are being kept as pets or like they're like
Speaker 2: just running around the island and oh they're freeways.
Speaker 1: They're like outdoor cocina grabs kind.
Speaker 2: Of basically, yeah, they're being fed and basing to be
Speaker 2: happy type of thing. My research focuses on crabs in
Speaker 2: the wild. We do very minimal work with live specimens
Speaker 2: to do our research. Yeah, and it's when we do
Speaker 2: something with them, they're in a nice habitat and they're
Speaker 2: just there for a little bit. Like, we're not keeping
Speaker 2: specimens in crabs in cactivity for a very long time.
Speaker 1: You're not putting little hats on them and celebrating their birthdays.
Speaker 2: Me personally, how do you know those people you know
Speaker 2: crab parents? Yeah, I know people who have done similar
Speaker 2: things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like to each their own kind of yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and patrons Olivia Ellison, John McHugh Lovely Bones, Sarah King,
Speaker 1: Isabelle Newman, twenty three Skiddo and Jude Scout Campbell wanted
Speaker 1: to know about hermit crab instincts and if you've ever
Speaker 1: seen the David Attenborough BBC clip of hermit crabs, you
Speaker 1: will think about it at least once a week for
Speaker 1: the rest of your life. And in it, Sir Edinburgh
Speaker 1: narrates footage of hermit crabs lining up by size and
Speaker 1: waiting for just the right grouping and moment for a
Speaker 1: simultaneous shell swap.
Speaker 3: They arrange themselves into an orderly queue, the biggest of
Speaker 3: the front, smallest at the back. They're lining up with
Speaker 3: one aim to exchange properties.
Speaker 1: And that leaves each one with a bigger show to
Speaker 1: grow into, and though for a moment it leaves their
Speaker 1: soft little bit vulnerable to the roasting sun and hungry birds.
Speaker 1: It's better than nine percent interest rates over thirty years
Speaker 1: in a precarious job market, But how are they better
Speaker 1: at finding a home without a landlord or a mortgage
Speaker 1: than we are? So, according to the nineteen ninety study
Speaker 1: shell exchange in Hawaiian hermit crabs, prior to a shell exchange.
Speaker 1: One hermit crab will approach and then wrap on the
Speaker 1: shell of another like you knock knock, and then the
Speaker 1: crabs size each other up to see if their shells
Speaker 1: are a better fit for the other one. And this
Speaker 1: is called the negotiations model of behavior, as opposed to
Speaker 1: the aggressor model, in which one crab is forcibly shell jacked.
Speaker 1: Now you may be at ease, though I know I
Speaker 1: was to learn that the negotiations model is more successful
Speaker 1: than the aggressor model and it all just takes place
Speaker 1: because one brave initiator approaches and drums on another shell.
Speaker 1: And speaking of just music to your so listener, Caitlin
Speaker 1: Morrison shares that their mom taught them that wild hermit
Speaker 1: crabs will emerge when you humm to them, So I
Speaker 1: guess use that hot tip. But in terms of having
Speaker 1: hermit crabs as pets, it's pretty specific. Their enclosure should
Speaker 1: be between seventy two and eighty two degrees with a
Speaker 1: relative humidity between sixty and eighty percent. And hermit crabs
Speaker 1: in the wild they have lifespans to over a decade,
Speaker 1: but on average they survive in captivity just a few months.
Speaker 1: Like my childhood hermit crab rip and I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: where do they come from? In case you meet one
Speaker 1: and you want to strike up a conversation. So most
Speaker 1: hermit crabs are sourced from the Caribbean or the Florida
Speaker 1: Keys or South America, and bad news, they are not farmed.
Speaker 1: They're usually just captured. They're forced into not happy crabby conditions,
Speaker 1: and if they don't get sent to pet stores across
Speaker 1: the world, their shells might just be spray painted very
Speaker 1: tacky colors and then hawked like souvenirs to some local
Speaker 1: tourists with sunburns and beach braids. So if you really
Speaker 1: want a hermit crab, you can rescue one from Craigslist
Speaker 1: from people who are like, I'm so over this. Why
Speaker 1: did I get the cerma crab? I have so many
Speaker 1: regrets in life like the cermat crab. And you can
Speaker 1: also find groups like the Hermit Crab Association dot com.
Speaker 1: They're crab swappers and rescuers, so they match people looking
Speaker 1: for crabs with people who are looking to get rid
Speaker 1: of crabs. But what if you encounter any kind of
Speaker 1: crab and it tries to shank you? What does one do?
Speaker 1: So patron j Ramsbald wants to know about the epically
Speaker 1: relatable crab with a knife jiff, which originated with this
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen YouTube clip titled Gangster Crab with Knife starring
Speaker 1: a real life medium sized crab which is backing away
Speaker 1: from the camera and it's clutching a steak knife, and
Speaker 1: it sparked this meme called you mess with Crabo, you
Speaker 1: get a stabo. And I wish I could tell you.
Speaker 1: I wish I could tell you that knife fielding crabs
Speaker 1: are rare, but kind of not. They're kind of around.
Speaker 1: There was this June twenty twenty two New York Post
Speaker 1: headline that warned camper awakes to knife carrying killer crab
Speaker 1: a tent. Lucky to be alive, he says, And the
Speaker 1: guy said that not the crab. But this article detailed
Speaker 1: how this man was staying on the uninhabited Comoca Island
Speaker 1: in Okinawa, Japan, and was woken at two am by
Speaker 1: a scratching sound outside his tent, and he investigated to
Speaker 1: discover that his adversary was, yes, a giant crab and yes,
Speaker 1: with a knife. Somethings out there.
Speaker 2: Hey, bro, hey, bro, hey, bro, I need that knife
Speaker 2: I'm really curious what you think you're going to do
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: So it's got to be the shininess, right, the metal knives,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking No, I looked it up, and crabs have
Speaker 1: pretty good snooters or rather these chemosensory abilities, and there
Speaker 1: are weapons that they picked up likelih had residue of
Speaker 1: meat or rather crabby favorites. So if you're on an
Speaker 1: uninhabited island, get to wash your knives, watch out for
Speaker 1: crab ostabos. But what if you are the crab? This
Speaker 1: next question was asked by so many people, over fifty people,
Speaker 1: so I'm just going to shout out the first time
Speaker 1: question askers like Sam Gretz, Hannahbale, Mariah Shemel, Viauchavores, and
Speaker 1: in Jenet Moss mccurty's words, will Earth one day just
Speaker 1: be a big crab party with human crabs and all
Speaker 1: the other life forms as crabs waving our big claws around?
Speaker 1: And in first time question asker klin Iglesias words crabification
Speaker 1: question mark, let's talk about carsonization. Okay, Adam Weaver wants
Speaker 1: to know will I too, one day become a crab?
Speaker 1: So many people want to know evolutionarily if it's flim
Speaker 1: flam that everything evolves toward crabs. Is this an appropriate question?
Speaker 2: It's just a really difficult question, Okay, So I intellectually
Speaker 2: have a really hard time engage on this as someone
Speaker 2: who studies crustaceans overall that crabs are towards the end
Speaker 2: of the evolutionary tree of crustacea. So it's they are
Speaker 2: of a form that has required the most number of
Speaker 2: changes to get there, a lot of changes to become
Speaker 2: more crab like. There are a lot of species that
Speaker 2: have branched into different ecological niches and do really cool
Speaker 2: things where they just eat completely different things. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of separation of resources that there can be
Speaker 2: a lot of species like in the same area. So
Speaker 2: I know this is probably the question that the Internet
Speaker 2: wants to know the most about, because I have people
Speaker 2: ask this question to me in my personal life and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, h problematic.
Speaker 1: So we're not necessarily all turning into crabs. It's just
Speaker 1: a later form of evolution because it's very specialized. Or
Speaker 1: rather it's.
Speaker 2: No, your listeners really need to be able to see
Speaker 2: my face right.
Speaker 1: Now, I know you look horrified.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one should worry about our evolutionary trajectory. It
Speaker 2: would require a lot of really difficult changes for us
Speaker 2: to become crab.
Speaker 1: Like okay man as a bummer.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why crabs are so special is
Speaker 2: that it is really easy for crustaceans in general. Arthropods
Speaker 2: in general, and crustaceans have done a really amazing job
Speaker 2: of it is very small evolutionary tweaks can result in
Speaker 2: very different morphologies and sizes and functionalities in crabs, Like
Speaker 2: very subtle mutations will make a claw much bigger and
Speaker 2: have a slightly better shape for eating a particular type
Speaker 2: of animal, right, And that's a good evolutionary accident. That
Speaker 2: makes an advantage, and that's great, and that makes for
Speaker 2: a new species very quickly. So other things evolving into
Speaker 2: crabs that aren't like arphopods totally doesn't seem like what's
Speaker 2: going to happen. Could other arphopods converge on a crab form, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that could make sense.
Speaker 1: So for more on this, you can see the nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety seven article carconization in the Animura factor fiction Evidence
Speaker 1: from Adult Morphology and that was published in Contributions to Zoology,
Speaker 1: and this paper looks at the idea put forward by
Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds carcinologist Lancelot Alexander Boradale, who coined the
Speaker 1: term carsonization to describe what is essentially convergent evolution. So
Speaker 1: that's when a strategy for survival is so fitting to
Speaker 1: an environment that many species just mutations persist into these
Speaker 1: similar forms. They're like, that works. Every animal that has
Speaker 1: that mutation seems to do pretty well. And this includes
Speaker 1: the king crab's evolution to appear more like a bracky
Speaker 1: urine than its animurine wonky tailed relatives, or the coconut
Speaker 1: crab losing that hermity need to live inside a snailshell
Speaker 1: and just coming on land. And Lancelot Alexander Barndale described
Speaker 1: this as quote the many attempts of nature to evolve
Speaker 1: a crab. I have more terrible news though. In order
Speaker 1: to become crabs as humans, we'd first have to move
Speaker 1: our skeleton to the out side, and then we'd have
Speaker 1: to grow one hundred and fifty percent more appendages than
Speaker 1: what we got. We got to redevelop tails, and then
Speaker 1: we got to gradually lose them. Our belly would have
Speaker 1: to nest touching our stdum, which is honestly a feat
Speaker 1: only attainable by like a few circosolate performers and maybe
Speaker 1: some dare devils who have survived motocross accidents. Also, you'd
Speaker 1: have to pee out of your face. So it's a
Speaker 1: lot of evolutionary work to become a crab. You could
Speaker 1: split the diff though, and you could just crab your
Speaker 1: legs into a big paper mache snailshell, and but even
Speaker 1: then you'd just be an animuran rather than a true crab.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not going to judge you, but
Speaker 1: do what you want. Oh, you need claws, which a
Speaker 1: lot of patrons are really curious about, such as Lauren
Speaker 1: Siebert genettasaur Emily Hebert Lovely Bites Hope paper wasp enthusiast
Speaker 1: about to change their whole self image, and Clark Bennett,
Speaker 1: who asked, why do some of them have one really
Speaker 1: beefy giant claw and then one really tiny claw? And
Speaker 1: we will address that right after the break, But first
Speaker 1: we're going to donate to a charity of Adam's choosing,
Speaker 1: which is the Natural History Museum of La County and
Speaker 1: Adam's research specifically on fairy shrimp, which are also sea monkeys,
Speaker 1: which you can hear all about in part one, but
Speaker 1: that donation was made possible by sponsors of the show.
Speaker 1: All right, clause, what's going on on the topic of
Speaker 1: those big claws like a what is the evolutionary advantage
Speaker 1: of like a fiddler crab or not necessarily of toward
Speaker 1: bilateral symmetry. Is it advantageous to put more resources into
Speaker 1: one big claw set of two medium sized claus?
Speaker 2: Hmmm, interesting question, Thank you. So you said evolutionary advantage,
Speaker 2: Can you define that for me?
Speaker 1: Maybe they only really need one claw to defend themselves,
Speaker 1: so why spend more time making more muscle? Maybe evolutionarily wise,
Speaker 1: they're like, well, I'm making less. I'm an exoskeleton and
Speaker 1: I really just need one, So let's have this other
Speaker 1: one kind of hang out smaller.
Speaker 2: So you can actually like rip claws off of a
Speaker 2: crab and as it molts, it will regenerate that missing
Speaker 2: appendage very quickly. Do that, don't do that. And there's
Speaker 2: lots of crabs that survive just fine with like one
Speaker 2: claw until like it grows back. Crabs that are in fights,
Speaker 2: they really want to have two claws the second they're
Speaker 2: in a fight where one crab only has one claw
Speaker 2: and the other crab has a second claw. They're done.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so I actually, off the top of my head,
Speaker 2: couldn't tell you what the purpose of a fiddler crab's
Speaker 2: massive asymmetrical claws are. Where ones very small, ones like
Speaker 2: really big. If you made me guess, it's probably a
Speaker 2: mating display. And in this particular group of animals, apparently
Speaker 2: maybe bigger is better.
Speaker 1: They're very cute. They are cute, okay, but are they
Speaker 1: cute or are they like hot cute? So you can
Speaker 1: see the twenty eighteen New York Times piece titled for
Speaker 1: fiddler Crabs size does matter, which I'm sorry grosses me
Speaker 1: out because I'm not of sexually attracted to fiddler crabs.
Speaker 1: But more than half of male fiddler crabs body weight
Speaker 1: is that one giant claw of just sixty five percent
Speaker 1: of their body weight is just that one claw. Huh.
Speaker 1: The fiddler crab females, they dig that, they love it.
Speaker 1: And in these studies conducted by a Ruskin University team,
Speaker 1: they found that the faster they used robot crabs for this,
Speaker 1: but they found that the faster the males wave that
Speaker 1: little sex hammer around the hotter they appear to the females,
Speaker 1: and this New York Times article explains that quote the
Speaker 1: wave means come hither. I will dig a burrow for
Speaker 1: us and our eggs, and we will populate the mudflats
Speaker 1: with fiddler crabs. Uncountable nice. Oh, the bigger the crab too,
Speaker 1: the longer it survived, which bodes well for your uncountable babies.
Speaker 1: How do you break the ice? What do you do well?
Speaker 1: Like bumble or parties with a lot of engineers. The
Speaker 1: lady usually makes the first move. She sees something she likes,
Speaker 1: she approaches, and then she tickles the crab on one
Speaker 1: side of its body, and then things just heat up
Speaker 1: from there. Speaking of which, Curly Fry and Anna Fraser
Speaker 1: want to know if climate change is affecting crabs temperature wise.
Speaker 2: I have to believe that climate change is affecting everything.
Speaker 2: I have not seen a ton of data where people
Speaker 2: are tracking, like rain shifts, for instance, which would be
Speaker 2: a kind of very plausible thing that would happen with
Speaker 2: crab populations, for instance, like oceans getting warmer. Here, I'm
Speaker 2: going to move in a direction where water is a
Speaker 2: better temperature for me. Right, That is totally a thing
Speaker 2: that I would expect to happen.
Speaker 1: Adam says that likely dissolved oxygen levels decrease with higher temperatures,
Speaker 1: and that drop and dissolved oxygen can also result from
Speaker 1: better conditions for these huge algal blooms that eat up
Speaker 1: a lot of the oxygen and effect of their marine life.
Speaker 1: And one crab that's been threatened by habitat loss and
Speaker 1: fishing is the horseshoe crab. But Amanda, Keegan Newman, Rick
Speaker 1: ty Shane, and Ryan Marry the grapefruit to Maris Mish
Speaker 1: the fish, Jen McGilvray, Jane Nelson, first time question asker
Speaker 1: Kili Shavez, and Isabelle Newman in Isabel's word says, I
Speaker 1: need to know more about horseshoe crabs. Are they even crabs?
Speaker 1: They're so wacky looking. Kegan Newman asked, I know horseshoe
Speaker 1: crabs aren't true crabs. Why aren't they? And also do
Speaker 1: all crabs have blue blood like a horseshoe crab? Gonna
Speaker 1: guess no, No, dorabs.
Speaker 2: Have blood, No don't. They don't really have what we
Speaker 2: consider blood. They have other fluids that are serve a
Speaker 2: similar purpose. It's not blue. Those fluids can have several
Speaker 2: colors in true crabs, in horseshoe crabs, which your patron
Speaker 2: crushly points out, it's not true crab that blue colors
Speaker 2: from the copper based blood that they have, which I
Speaker 2: think also isn't really blood if you technically right.
Speaker 1: So no, not crabs at all. In fact, they're more
Speaker 1: closely related to scorpions. And yeah, we do have a
Speaker 1: scorpiology episode we're going to link in the Showwes. But
Speaker 1: this horseshoe blue blood is called hemolymph, and it contains
Speaker 1: hemocyanin and it's dazzling. It looks like a melted blue
Speaker 1: raspberry slurpee or a Gatorade frost glacier freeze, which is
Speaker 1: kind of apt because not only have these four hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million year old creatures survived dinosaur killing asteroids
Speaker 1: and stuff and several ice ages, but they might also
Speaker 1: survive the glaciers that are melting might not phase them,
Speaker 1: And I'd say, we'll see, but honestly, we're probably not
Speaker 1: going to be around for that, but maybe neither will they.
Speaker 1: So many populations around the world of horseshoe crabs are stable,
Speaker 1: but some are listed as vulnerable because these slow moving
Speaker 1: horseshoe crabs make pretty good fishing bait and they're harvested
Speaker 1: for medical research. Excuse me, Okay, So, horseshoe crab blood
Speaker 1: has bonkers antibacterial abilities, and it contains something called limitless
Speaker 1: amoebacite lysate or LAL, and it helps biomedical researchers test
Speaker 1: if vaccine batches are tainted by bacteria. It's one of
Speaker 1: the only substances that can do that, and they're even
Speaker 1: trying to synthesize it with somecess, but mostly they're still
Speaker 1: just using horseshoe crab blood. They're blood. They're thrown back
Speaker 1: in the ocean, but they don't always survive the blood
Speaker 1: letting though, which is another threat to their survival. So
Speaker 1: how do you repay horseshoe crabs for all of their
Speaker 1: vaccination help? Well, if you see any alive horseshoe crabs
Speaker 1: and they're flipped upside down, that is a cause of
Speaker 1: death for up to ten percent of them. So you
Speaker 1: can gently approach one and you can pick up a
Speaker 1: side of the shell and flip them back, and if
Speaker 1: you can, you can put them back safely into the water.
Speaker 1: Don't grab them by the tails though, or because they
Speaker 1: don't like that. They're gonna shit talk you forever, like
Speaker 1: another four hundred and fifty million years.
Speaker 2: So yeah, totally different systems.
Speaker 1: Does it piss you off that they're called horseshoe crabs?
Speaker 1: Be honest, it doesn't piss you off. No, Okay, you
Speaker 1: just you're like, I'll let that one slip because they're
Speaker 1: so old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure why.
Speaker 1: We'll let it go. Yeah, Kanye Kannie Boboni wants to
Speaker 1: know if there's ever been a species of giant crab
Speaker 1: like horse sized crabs.
Speaker 2: Well, like right now, mm hmm outside of my office
Speaker 2: is like a twelve foot wide crab. So yeah, what's that?
Speaker 2: That's that Japanese giant spots.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, let's pop back to the tour of
Speaker 1: the museum's crab basement to see a spider crab, shall we?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how a spider crab?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's definitely the biggest, the Japanese giant spider crab.
Speaker 2: The smallest will be a penafid, which is a common
Speaker 2: name for that is pea crab. If you guys like oysters,
Speaker 2: A great game that you can play is you can
Speaker 2: every time you get a fresh oyster serve tea, you
Speaker 2: can look for a small crab that's inside of it.
Speaker 2: If you see a what you think is a small crab,
Speaker 2: there's almost certainly even smaller crab, which is the male,
Speaker 2: which has to live inside of the same animal as
Speaker 2: the female, and then they reproduce and then they disperse
Speaker 2: very young. But I actually know an amazing carcinologist, Daryl Felder,
Speaker 2: who discovered a new species of pea crab. At dinner,
Speaker 2: was about to enjoy an oyster. It was in his mouth,
Speaker 2: he felt something, spit it out, saw that it was
Speaker 2: And he's one of a handful of people in the world.
Speaker 2: He can just look at him best a new species.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I guess I have to go talk
Speaker 2: to the chef now and find out where he sourced
Speaker 2: his oysters from, because I need that for my paper. Also,
Speaker 2: I need to find the mail that's somewhere in missing
Speaker 2: that I just spit out of my mouth.
Speaker 1: So are they crunchy?
Speaker 2: I've never so. I actually found some for the first time.
Speaker 2: I found them in oysters from a very upscale, well
Speaker 2: known local grocer Okay, and I had been looking for
Speaker 2: more than a decade for these things inside of oysters.
Speaker 2: And I finally found a bunch inside of a couple
Speaker 2: of dozen I had bought for a party. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But because I saw them, I preserved him.
Speaker 1: For science and I did not eat them, of course.
Speaker 2: Also, the species I found was a super common species.
Speaker 2: The species I found is almost the size of a nickel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the smallest one is smaller than a grain of rice.
Speaker 1: Holy smokes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that. There are some people like hoping to
Speaker 1: get a pearl and you're like, hope there's a crab
Speaker 1: in here. Hope there's a pair of crabs in here, honeymoony.
Speaker 2: I would be much richer if I was wishing for pearls,
Speaker 2: but now I'm wishing for crabs. So yeah, smallest crab,
Speaker 2: biggest crab.
Speaker 1: A few people want to know how you feel about
Speaker 1: YETI crabs, which are not true crabs. They are animurans
Speaker 1: with that different tail, and they look like big hermit crabs.
Speaker 1: They look a little lobstery. They're in fact, squat lobsters.
Speaker 1: And two things about them are remarkable. So they have
Speaker 1: this cream colored shell and they're covered with this silky,
Speaker 1: seemingly sun kissed hair like bristles called SETI, which makes
Speaker 1: them look kind of like hard shell golden retriever puppies
Speaker 1: with claws. And they were just discovered in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, meaning that as they made their grand debut
Speaker 1: into the frenzy of public consciousness, it was to the
Speaker 1: tune of the Garden State soundtrack. Also, their scientific name
Speaker 1: means hairy goddess kwahrsuta naturally. Elaine Wong first time question asker,
Speaker 1: and Jemma needed Adam's thoughts on them.
Speaker 2: I think they're a poor man's Hasselhoff crab, which was
Speaker 2: another close related crab that was named I think after
Speaker 2: a Yetti crab that they decided to name Hasselhoff.
Speaker 1: Crab after the Hasselhoff after.
Speaker 2: David Hasselhoff because it had a hairy chest. Nice.
Speaker 1: Are those hairs actual hairs? They're SETI? What are they?
Speaker 2: They are? C?
Speaker 1: D ye? Sorry?
Speaker 2: Yeah. The one of the last forms of le elitism
Speaker 2: is anyone trying to pronounce or correct anyone else's pronunciation
Speaker 2: when they know what they're talking about. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about. I'm not gonna make
Speaker 2: you say it the same way I say it.
Speaker 1: How do you feel? Abut Jeff and Giff do you
Speaker 1: want to get upset you're gonna say Giff.
Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna say Jiff.
Speaker 1: I say Jeff.
Speaker 2: Do you know why do you say Jeff?
Speaker 1: Because he says it's pronounced jeff exactly.
Speaker 2: So that's the reason why. Yes, Like, are you going
Speaker 2: to tell someone how to pronounce their name exactly? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean do you want to like look at them
Speaker 2: and say, you know, you did a really bad job
Speaker 2: of spelling your own name, but this is you want
Speaker 2: to pronounce it that way? Okay? Good?
Speaker 1: Yes, if I feel like you have to respect how
Speaker 1: people want themselves to be represented. So yes, thank you,
Speaker 1: I say Jeff, And I get ship for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we get it for everything. This next question about
Speaker 1: hitchhikers of the crotch was asked by Jenna Orshiro Storm
Speaker 1: and Mish the Fish. Does the STI even look like
Speaker 1: a crab? Body lice named crabs? Does that piss you off?
Speaker 2: Does not piss me off. It's a source of a
Speaker 2: lot of really fun jokes, which I think car adorable.
Speaker 2: This is where I'm going to say, mercifully, I have
Speaker 2: no idea what they look like. God, And if you've
Speaker 2: made me guess you should probably talk to I don't
Speaker 2: know what ver miteses.
Speaker 1: I think they're mites. Yeah, okay, so yeah, though they
Speaker 1: have these front little pinchers like crabs, these underpants roommates
Speaker 1: are actually insects, and despite everyone's assumption, including mine, they're
Speaker 1: not even mites. They're technically in the class insecta not
Speaker 1: a rechnita, and I don't know as so long as
Speaker 1: we're learning things. I'd also like you to know that,
Speaker 1: despite being called thyrus pubis, uh, they can infect your
Speaker 1: eyelashes if you get too close to other areas. I
Speaker 1: also want you to know that my computer's search history
Speaker 1: is an absolute shit show. A few people wanted to
Speaker 1: know about their walk Do oil crabs skitter sideways?
Speaker 2: Scuttle scuttle skitter?
Speaker 1: Alissa Gregory said skitter? Is it scuttle.
Speaker 2: Skittle scuttling or crab walking? H? Yeah? Do they all?
Speaker 2: Some of them do it more than others. I think
Speaker 2: it's a very easy walking gate for something that has
Speaker 2: legs of that particular orientation and structure. So a lot
Speaker 2: of them do it, but I don't think all of
Speaker 2: them do it. Now, I think they can all do it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if all of them use it as
Speaker 2: their primary mode of locomotion.
Speaker 1: I mean some of them swim. That was new to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but swimming ones awsome will crawl around.
Speaker 1: God, they're so cute. Yeah kay, Gatinsby wants to know
Speaker 1: what is your personal favorite crab and why?
Speaker 2: Oh, personal favorite crab and why why does that have
Speaker 2: to be crabs?
Speaker 1: I know, I know you've got others. Very shrimper up there.
Speaker 2: Oh, I have so many things. I honestly really love
Speaker 2: these peanut favorite crabs because they're just like adorable, small
Speaker 2: microscopic crabs living inside of oysters and other animals and
Speaker 2: like inside of burrows, and they're just really fun and
Speaker 2: they do a cute thing where they're always in pairs,
Speaker 2: so like they're like, are always made it and find one,
Speaker 2: you'll find it's made.
Speaker 1: Got a little buddy. Yeah that's very good. That's very cute. Okay,
Speaker 1: So some folks need to know about mass media crab representation,
Speaker 1: such as Serapiet and Stephanie schmid Falcon And they both
Speaker 1: asked about this internet famous Howie the Crab, which is
Speaker 1: this Omaha based rainbow crab. It was purchased from a
Speaker 1: pet store and it has lived to the elderly age
Speaker 1: of six, and Howie wears tiny hats. Howie's owner says
Speaker 1: the crab can use sign language when she's hungry. I
Speaker 1: think it all sounds great, but Howie's lifestyle does have
Speaker 1: its critics. Others say, you know what, if a rainbow
Speaker 1: crab is going to end up at a pet store
Speaker 1: and then is lovingly cared for past its optimal lifespan
Speaker 1: and not being eaten but becoming rich and famous, that's
Speaker 1: as good as it gets for the crab. But given
Speaker 1: that Adam is, as we've discussed, not an extremely online person,
Speaker 1: I lobbed some general media questions at him from Amanda
Speaker 1: and average PI. Have you ever been watching a movie
Speaker 1: and there's a crab in it and you're like, they
Speaker 1: got that right or wrong? Are there ever crabs in movies?
Speaker 2: I don't watch enough movies, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: What about Sebastian, the Crab and The Little Mermaid?
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking. I was trying to remember back.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any of the recent ones, and the
Speaker 2: last time I saw The Little Mermaid it was before
Speaker 2: I was a carcinologist, so I had far fewer opinions
Speaker 2: on what Sebastian should be doing.
Speaker 1: I wonder how many legsies even got.
Speaker 2: I really hope he has the right number.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Sebastian from The Little Mermaid full name Horatio
Speaker 1: Thelonias Ignatius, crustaceous. Sebastian is supposed to be a tropical
Speaker 1: ghost crab. I read this in an article in the
Speaker 1: publication screen Rant, Sit Down Friends. I got news of
Speaker 1: astri only has eight legs, and I even found some
Speaker 1: original character sketches that were sold at auction in December
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three. Yeah, eight legs on that, But
Speaker 1: you know what, let's let it go water under the bridge,
Speaker 1: under the sea. Oh, speaking of France, though, what sucks
Speaker 1: about your job the most? Something's got to suck other
Speaker 1: than getting interviewed on a Sunday morning by some crackpot
Speaker 1: with questions that are not related to crowns.
Speaker 2: It's really hard. There are so many new species that
Speaker 2: oftentimes you'll be looking at something and it's just really
Speaker 2: hard to know if it's a new species or one
Speaker 2: of the many thousands, tens of thousands that we already
Speaker 2: know about. We were talking about with smelly crab smell.
Speaker 2: I I'm just a little crazy, and I'll shove my
Speaker 2: hands and crab jars all the time, and I get
Speaker 2: very self conscious afterwards because I did it out of
Speaker 2: the necessity desperation, and I feel like I small like crabs.
Speaker 2: But I think I exclusively hang out with kind people
Speaker 2: who have never said a thing about it.
Speaker 1: So you don't what smelly crabs to me?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. Yeah, the fear of small light crabs,
Speaker 2: that's like the worst part of my job. It's not
Speaker 2: even that I'm sure that I smell like crabs, but
Speaker 2: it's the fear that I small like crabs.
Speaker 1: Has your partner ever told you smell it a little crabby?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Which this is why I'm I'm only involved with the kindest,
Speaker 2: sweetest people in my life, so I'm really lucky.
Speaker 1: Would it be a kindness for them to tell you
Speaker 1: that you do smell like crabs? Or is it better
Speaker 1: to not know?
Speaker 2: Oh? I do believe that it would be a kindness
Speaker 2: to tell me so I could do something about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's the best part about your job?
Speaker 2: The best part about my job is the absolutely amazing
Speaker 2: amount of diversity that happens with crustaceans in general. Just
Speaker 2: they have solved so many different problems, so many different ways.
Speaker 2: They live in such extreme environments. I have studied roly
Speaker 2: pulleys like in my actual backyard, that are like terrestrial species.
Speaker 2: I have studied crabs that are walking around Costa Rica
Speaker 2: on land crabs. I have studied marine species. I've studied
Speaker 2: that hydrofermal vent or gas vent shrimp, which is really
Speaker 2: cool and.
Speaker 1: You don't eat a lot of crab.
Speaker 2: I have probably eaten part of five crabs in my life.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, how do you feel about imitation crap
Speaker 1: being called crab with a K?
Speaker 2: I grew up a vegetarian as well. I was vegetarian
Speaker 2: and kosher like cereal, So I eat a lot of
Speaker 2: crab with a K and meat. I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1: Actually, ps, just so you know, crab with a K
Speaker 1: is actually this string cheese like stick of Alaskan pollock
Speaker 1: wheat protein, egg binder, and this magical substance called transglutaminise,
Speaker 1: which is an enzyme that has been called meat glue.
Speaker 1: Grab with a K. Okay, any of the other flim
Speaker 1: flame about crabs that you want to get on a
Speaker 1: soapbox about any other scientific flim flam. This is your
Speaker 1: chance you get a megaphone.
Speaker 2: So basically, I would say my soapbox is right now,
Speaker 2: there are so many marine species that need to be studied.
Speaker 2: We're in this climate crisis right and I'm part of
Speaker 2: an institution that wants to study them and to preserve
Speaker 2: a record of the biological history of Earth. I'm just
Speaker 2: really all about using new molcola our tools, so DNA
Speaker 2: kind of like we were talking about with the cinniment
Speaker 2: toast shrimp guy, Like these new tools that will allow
Speaker 2: us to study biodiversity and animal using genetics instead of
Speaker 2: the morphology of crabs and getting as much representation of
Speaker 2: all the biodiversity in the world captured. Right now, we're
Speaker 2: using technology that's called environmental DNA where we will sample
Speaker 2: whole environments by taking a scoop of water then filtering
Speaker 2: out all the free floating DNA essentially that's in that sample,
Speaker 2: and then that will tell you the biodiversity that has
Speaker 2: been within I don't know a mile of that one spot. Like,
Speaker 2: we need big data to answer these questions about climate
Speaker 2: change and range extensions, and right now we don't have that.
Speaker 2: And we're doing that for California, but we don't have
Speaker 2: money to do all the things that live on land,
Speaker 2: and we don't have all the money to do all
Speaker 2: the things that live in a deep ocean that we
Speaker 2: barely know anything about. So that's my soapbox.
Speaker 1: Do you think the world needs more carcinologists to help
Speaker 1: with this?
Speaker 2: We definitely do right now in this transitionary stage. The
Speaker 2: biodiversity research I'm talking about that uses these different tools
Speaker 2: is going to discover the ninety percent of biodiversity that
Speaker 2: is so cryptic to us that we don't even know
Speaker 2: it is this. Yeah, we need more people studying crabs.
Speaker 1: So if someone has a love of crabs, think about it.
Speaker 1: Think about becoming a crab scientist. Maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to be poor, that'd be a
Speaker 2: great nature. That'd be a great way to be poor.
Speaker 2: But have all of crab you want to eat. I guess, Oh, do.
Speaker 1: You get crabby about studying crabs? Are you a crabby person?
Speaker 2: You should interview my coworkers. I'm either. I think that
Speaker 2: I react to the energy that is presented to me.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying to be a little I can be
Speaker 2: a little krabby.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm so annoying.
Speaker 2: No, you're not. I'm just like all sugar and spice
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 1: That's okay, you're a multi dimensional human being.
Speaker 2: Yes, we all are.
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. It's been actually really fun
Speaker 2: answering your questions. Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you hated me. I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: this guy's so cool.
Speaker 2: He hates me, so I besigning all that stuff. This
Speaker 2: is it's just who I am. I give off his energy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, this is all right. Literally, this is
Speaker 2: out of enjoyable conversations. This is like a like an eight.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, so like that's very enjoyable.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, no, no, I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: have a crab friend.
Speaker 2: No, no, this is great.
Speaker 1: You're a patient, patient human being. So ask crab questions
Speaker 1: to crab people, because even if they seem like they'd
Speaker 1: rather plunge themselves into Arctic waters, they might actually just
Speaker 1: be shy and having a good time. So, Adam Wall,
Speaker 1: you're wonderful. I loved this and I'd invite you to
Speaker 1: game night if I ever had one. You're a good one.
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Speaker 1: as we're talking crabs. When I was a kid, my
Speaker 1: family would sometimes drive like two and a half hours
Speaker 1: to the beach, all loaded up in a station wagon,
Speaker 1: listening to cassette tapes of Prince and Madonna. You know
Speaker 1: who had come with us is Aaron Talbert, admin of
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Speaker 1: we were four. But anyway, once we went to Ocean Beach,
Speaker 1: I think at San Francisco, and my sister Janelle and
Speaker 1: I marveled at these dome backed sand crabs that were
Speaker 1: hopping around the show or and so we put a
Speaker 1: few in an empty sandwich bag that still smelled like salami,
Speaker 1: and we took a few of them home as pets
Speaker 1: and found out pretty quickly the hard way that that's
Speaker 1: not feasible or good for the crabs, or something that
Speaker 1: anyone wanted to smell in a hot car in the summer.
Speaker 1: So whilst on vacation, just leave the crabs to do
Speaker 1: their crabby business unless it's a horseshoe non crab, and
Speaker 1: then you can go ahead and help them when they're
Speaker 1: flipping out. Okay, everyone be good to each other.
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Speaker 2: Well home, yeah,