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Welcome into college football inside a big twelve inchsider. Schehan

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Ja Rajah, National college football writer for CBS Sports.

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Speaker 3: Schehan, how are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I appreciate you joining me. What's been keeping you

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busy over the last week or so? What have you

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been cooking up over at CBS Sports?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a lot. You know, obviously there's been

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a lot of the transfer portal movement, so I wrote

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on Oklahoma State yesterday. I've got stories coming on Indiana

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as well, and old Myth and then of course the

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college football playoffs. You know, we're We're only a few

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days away from the national semifinals and in a couple

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of weeks I'll be going out to the national title

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game as well, out in Miami. So it's a busy

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finish to the season, but it's a good one.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about the final four in the

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college football playoff?

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Speaker 3: Did you see it coming? Shahan?

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Speaker 4: Well, if you look at my bracket, I picked one

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of the four correctly. That was the number one seed

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Indiana and the other three to be frank not only

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did I not see coming, I wouldn't have thought that

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any of them had a chance. Oregon probably and I

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probably could have seen that coming. But the other two

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Miami and Ole Miss being in the national semi finals

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over by the way, Ohio State in Georgia, That's not

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something that I saw coming. You know, this has been

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such a fascinating year. You know, obviously people are going

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to talk about like the efficacy of the first round

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by I mean, obviously this was just a situation where

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those four teams or those three teams that beat the

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first round by teams just went out and beat them

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like we're just the better teams on that day. I

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got to see that. With Miami playing against Ohio State

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at AT and T Stadium, we got to see that.

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Like it is just an unbelievable effort so far, and

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really I think what everybody hope hoped from the college

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is there an issue with the buys? Do you

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take issue with the buye? Do you take issue with

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maybe the neutral site for those games? What do you,

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what do you make of the lopsided record for those

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teams that are having to take those buys or I mean,

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initially you're excited about it, right, you get a buye,

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you know, you survive in advance, but you're playing on

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a neutral site.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that ultimately, like I think

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is probably a little overstated. I don't necessarily know that

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really many places in sports where you take twenty five

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even for a scene that is really good and really focused.

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one of those first round by teams, you're kind of

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kicking yourself that you don't get a home playoff game.

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the past two years, and so they've never hosted a

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home playoff game, and they've lost their first round game

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as well. I think that that's something that's going to

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be not super palatable for them long term because they

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much it necessarily mattered. But at the same time, I

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move to a sixteen team playoff so that the first

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group of teams gets a chance to get into rhythm

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Speaker 3: Final four teams.

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Speaker 2: Right, Indiana, Oregon, olemess Miami has the new college fotball

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landscape allowed the likes of Indiana a bottom dweller, the

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likes of Ole Mesh a middling SEC program, and even

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like Oregon Miami to get into the final four. I

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don't know how many prognosticators experts out there in the

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college football world early on in the season, mid season,

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or even getting into their bracketology, predicted these four getting in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe that. I believe that somebody put out

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a suite that and they just tacked the ESPN that

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you know, this isn't the shot of Esknos doing great job.

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one of the four final teams in their preseason twelve

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year it's been, right, Like I mean, I know for me,

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like I had LSU before the season as my national champion.

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two in the country coming into the year they fire

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their coach. I think that the big thing is obviously Indiana.

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from James Madison and being ready made and having some

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good ideas and also I think having a roster left

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just changes who the top teams are, but it changes

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the level of instability. I guess you could call it, right,

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the level of uncertainty in some of these games. There

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was like ten points better than the fifth team in

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college football. Well now they're like five points better. Maybe

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you know, maybe even less than that. In some cases,

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like George is still won the SEC Ohio State, still

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played for a big ten championship, but the difference is

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Miami as a ten seed was able to jump up

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and punch them, and that's different than it's been in

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previous years. So I think that when you look at

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the level of coach and player movements, I think that

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you're starting to see that the sport is just more

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uncertain than it's been in previous years. There isn't really

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an Alabama that can stand up and be head and

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shoulders of everybody else. We kind of thought maybe George

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would be that team. They're not, right like they've They've

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been beat these past couple of years. So I think

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that that's the biggest thing that's changed. And then I

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four of these teams, like these are teams that you know,

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to a large extent, built keep hearts of themselves through

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the transfer portal, and so I think that we are

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in a you know, again, Alabama set the standard of

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you recruit players and maybe you add one or two

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guys to fill in a gap, but like you really

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build your roster from the ground up. I think that

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the days of that being the primary and maybe the

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Texases and Georgias and Ohio States, that's becoming harder to

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pull off than ever before.

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Speaker 2: Want to get your thoughts on the Bruce Feldman article.

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I don't know if you've chimed in on this publicly,

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but Bruce Feldman received anonymous quotes from Power Conference coaches

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and one of the quotes is this hard to ignore

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the fact that when everyone got to pay players, it

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leveled the playing field immediately. They can deny all they want,

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but that's a fact. And he's alluding to the SEC

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paying players. You heard the Ed Ordron commentary about donors

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going through the back door.

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Speaker 3: Now they're going through the front door.

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Speaker 2: If he gets back into coaching again, it's kind of

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like this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a.

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Speaker 2: Reality, right, Like we know people have been cheating for

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a long time, building up their brands, building up the

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equity of those brands producing NFL talent over the last

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thirty years due to cheating and bagmen, and that's what

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the brand was built on.

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Speaker 3: Now it's all coming to light that.

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Speaker 2: Look, everyone can do it now, and look what's happened

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in to the SEC What do you make of it?

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Speaker 3: How do you evaluate it, how do you process it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there are two pieces to this. I

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I think that that's very legitimate, right. I mean you

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see Michigan swoop in at the last minute and take

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the number one recruit in the country Bryce Underwood from LSU,

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because it's no longer blase to do it, Like you

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just have the right to go out there and maximize

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your money. And you know, one thing that I don't

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think people take seriously enough is that there is a

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lot more money in the urban centers in the Midwest

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than there is in the rural South. Like there is

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one total billionaire in the state of Alabama and he's

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an Auburn fan, right, Like, it's it's just that, Like,

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those are dynamics that are going to be hard to

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parse for some of these programs. Also, by the way,

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is yes, you know, the paying player's piece is a

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huge part of the equation. I actually think though, that

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the Big Tens, I guess you could call it coach

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a coach once before and he said he had coached

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in the Big Ten, he had coached in the SEC,

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had coached in the Big Twelve, he had coached in

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the West Coast, all this sort of stuff. And one

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that what really has come through is that, like, if

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you are a five star recruit and you go to

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the Big Ten, you don't expect to be a starter

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in week one. I think in the SEC you do.

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two thirds of the way through your freshman year, you're leaving.

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the best of their guys, but the second tier of

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like guys are staying at Ohio States, guys are staying

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an incredible higher. Obviously, Kyle Whitningham going to Michigan really

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really good higher even if you want to talk of

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some of the ones in the past couple of years.

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Matt Rule at Nebraska I think was a really good

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higher like they have. I think that their patients in

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both roster and coaching is paying off, and I think

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that that's why you're starting to see some of these

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programs really elevate above their sec counterparts.

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Speaker 2: Crazy times, no doubt in the college football world. Shehanja

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Raja here on your Utah ESPN Radio network talking some college.

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Speaker 3: Football, Big twelve football, and.

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Speaker 2: Right now I feel like the Big twelve is on

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chalid footing. I think they've performed well in their bowl games.

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What Texas Tech kind of flopped? Does the Texas Tech

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loss undermine all of the good that maybe some of

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these other Big twelve teams have been able to accomplish

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in the ball season.

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Speaker 4: The short answer is yes. I mean it is definitely

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a damper. I think that it reinforces to a lot

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of people the idea that you know, when Big twelve

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teams get to the playoff, they get sixty five to

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seven like TCU did. Now, I think that again, like

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the game, obviously because of how good their defense was,

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was frankly very close until the fourth quarter. I don't

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think that by any means is you know, the level

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of disaster of some of the ones that we've seen before,

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even if you want to talk about, you know, in

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the old Big twelve with Oklahoma against Joe Burrow getting

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destroyed the way that they did. But I mean, I

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do think that it is real. I think that there

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is a perception that Big twelve teams cannot compete at

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a championship level that they you know, again, we talked

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about the idea of the gap between the number one

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and number five team being smaller than ever before. I

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think that people been in the case of a Tech

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Tech this year, also in the case of the b YU,

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also in the case of the Utah, also in the

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case of you know, I mean Arizona State kind of

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got closer last year. But like I think that people

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view these as being a tier below even the Miamis

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and you know, sort of the second tier Big tenant

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a city teams. And now again I think that that

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Tech was very unfortunate to get the matchup that they did.

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I think that Oregon is just a team that's able

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to really attack you in certain ways and kind of

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maximize their their differential against you, I guess you could say,

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but like the reality is like that doesn't matter, Like

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it doesn't matter if goes on wins the national Championship,

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you still lost that game that way. So I think that, yes,

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it absolutely does hurt. I think that it's will hang

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over this bullseason more than like you said, some of

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the goods that happened with TC beating USC, with YU

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beating Georgia Tech. But I do also think that, you know,

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we also, especially in the big don't need to necessarily

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make every single Bull season a referendum on the conference.

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And I think that long term it's going to be Okay,

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well what are we building towards, right, it's for BYU again,

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like after the investment, you expect to step up with Tech.

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I mean, they have another incredible portal class coming in

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right now. They should continue to be at the highest level.

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You know, people are really excited about the TC quarterbacks

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coming in Jade and Craig. Arizona State's still in good shape.

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Arizona's still in good shape. So like that's ultimately the

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biggest thing at the end of the day is I

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think keeping an eye on the trends. And even though

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I think that Tech Tech really hurt themselves with the

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way things finished, I do still think that the Big twelve,

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like you said, is in very good shape.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: It's something I've been debating with friends, some contemporaries, some

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colleagues of mine. We always talk about in college basketball,

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get old stale, that's maybe being undermine now with the

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college college you to transfer portal and now you can

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bring in.

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Speaker 3: Like G League players, two way players, your league players.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's getting pretty insane, the good old, the

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get old, stay old mantra. I don't know if it's

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going to be as impactful as it has been in

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the NCAA basketball round. I wonder if it's transitioning over

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to college football. Though you mentioned developmental, you mentioned Big

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ten is still a developmental league or developmental conference.

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Speaker 3: I think you said.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if you know, you look at Indiana, like

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their roster ranking was like seventy second, and I know

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they went out and got some strategic additions, But did

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they just get old staled and retain somewhat somewhat of

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their roster?

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Speaker 3: They build it off culture and development.

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Speaker 2: BYU's football team retains a lot of their football players.

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You're in and year out. They'll lose some, but not

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nearly as many as others. They had the seventieth best

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roster ranking, but they developed these guys through a system

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and had continuity in structure and not a whole lot

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of coaching staff attrition. Is that the way of the

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future for college football and not necessarily building via the

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transfer portal robustly? You know, you're talking thirty thirty five

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plus acquisitions. It's more about retention and development this day

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and age than than in other eras.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, Yeah, so I think again, you know, it is

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a huge I think inefficiency in college football right now

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to have a roster for multiple years. And you know,

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I would say last year winning eleven games, that was

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also a version of it, right, I think the balance

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that you need to sort of have there, right because look,

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let's also be clear, like let's look at these four

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teams that are that are in the college football Playoff

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semi finals, Like they all have huge acquisitions through the

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transfer portal this year. Yes, but I think that also

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players who are able to stay for two or three years.

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That's also a huge part of it. You know, to

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go back to the college basketball comparison. I think about

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a program like Yukon, you know, Huon obviously consecutive national championships,

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and it wasn't that they portaled a team, It's that

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they portaled a team, kept a lot of those guys,

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and then the second year a lot of those guys

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came together. I think that, like in college basketball, there's

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sort of like a lot of conversation right now that

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like the second year transfers are really the ones that

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hit it big because like then they know the system,

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then you know that you're building around them, et cetera,

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et cetera. I think that's going to be the case

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in college football as well, where you know, yes, there's

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value to recruiting an eighteen year old and keeping them

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to win their twenty three. I think there's always going

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to be advantage to that. But I think that even

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if you recruit a guy who's twenty and keep them

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until he's twenty two, I think that there's advantage to

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that as well. And so you know, because again like Indiana,

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you know, again they've portled a lot of guys, a

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lot of those guys that were part of that twenty

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twenty four portal class, and they've been on campus for

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two years and played two full seasons of football, So

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I think it's going to be a balance. I don't

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think certainly that it's going away. The biggest key, though,

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especially and I'll say for Big twelve teams, is once

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you develop those players, you have to find ways to

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retain them, and I think the Big twelve did a

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really good job of that last year. I think that

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this year, for reasons that I think are more program

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driven than necessarily situation driven, it's been less the case.

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So I think that that's going to be long term

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sort of. The big question is when you are able

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to get these players, when you are able to develop

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these players, when you have these players playing at a

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high level, can you maximize by keeping them on campus

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as well?

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Speaker 3: Shehan?

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Speaker 2: Always great commentary, always great content. Shan, We should loute

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