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We're going to get started in just a second. Hello everybody,

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and welcome to Spaces with Josie. I'm your host, Josie

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the Redheaded Libertarian. My guest today is Jay Dye. Are welcome, Jay.

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Speaker 4: What's up? Joe. Glad to finally talk to you sort

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. We've been trying to schedule this for some

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time and just the universe was not having it. It

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tried to stop us again today, but you know what,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: I know you had Joel Berry on and you know,

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Speaker 4: He doesn't seem very willing to do that.

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Speaker 3: So I'm glad to have these kinds of discussions secondhand,

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Speaker 2: Yes, I like these long for these long form interviews,

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you kind of you kind of get more answers than

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the Covenant was fulfilled with the coming of Christ, and

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that's as Christians what I believe. And you know, I'd

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but probably not. So anyway, we're going to get into

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I actually had invited you guys are invited him to

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come speak on your show, and he wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: So, oh, we we have a double turnout. I'm getting

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ghosted in this left and right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely all right. So I guess to start off,

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who are you and what do you do?

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Speaker 4: I'm Jay Dyer.

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Speaker 3: I do a lot of geopolitical analysis. I do a

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lot of film analysis. I've written four books now, three

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on Hollywood and one on philosophy and theology. I do

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a lot of debates with atheists, Muslims, Roman Catholics, Protestants,

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feminists whatever podcasts. I've been on Tim Cass multiple times,

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maybe five times now for some debates as well.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I host the fourth hour of the Alixe.

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Speaker 2: Very cool. You are a jack of all trades, that

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sounds like, and you're very knowledgeable, so I'm very happy

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Christian Zionism incompatible with Orthodox theology?

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Speaker 4: So Christian Zionism is a political movement. Some of the

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pantheist and philosophers like Hegel. So that's why it becomes

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of the kiblitzes that were established were a communal living

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Jewish race that will become somehow the salvation of mankind

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and the Jews shouldn't be in the land.

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even not sill religious Jews. But the other element that's

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than nineteen seventeen or the early twentieth century. It's actually

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goes back into the eighteen sixties, where you had members

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of the political faction of Moses hass asking the Rotcheut

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family for and then Hin invitesman asking them for money

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Speaker 4: The land in the Middle East. And this happened pretty

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decoration as well, even though that didn't really amount so

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Speaker 4: Christ is the fulfillment of.

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of Israel during the Old Testament period had a very

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the realities that would come, namely the Christian Church. And so,

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for example, in Daniel nine, you have a famous prophecy

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the nation state of Israel and its temple administrations would

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another group, namely the Gentiles, because of the unfaithfulness of

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Israel and so many other tax Galatians six sixteen, Paul

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spiritual Israel.

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Speaker 4: In Galatians three, paulses that the.

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seed who is Christ fulfilling all those predictions and promises.

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truly spiritually circumcised. And that was also a fulfillment of

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Speaker 4: So that's the basic boiled down case as to why.

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symbology of the Jewish ceremonies being fulfilled in the work

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of Christ, and then Christianity sort of being.

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Speaker 4: The fulfillment of Judaism.

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Speaker 3: So that's why we could never go back to, you know,

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puts you know, the Christian and so called nations of

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Christendom in a weird position because the purpose of the

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Speaker 3: So it's a really nuanced, difficult topic, but that's my

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Speaker 2: Thank you. What is dispensationalism.

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hundreds out of a sect called the Plymouth Brethren, and

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this was run by a guy or kind of headed

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came up with this speculation about how history was not

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was divided up into these arbitrary sections where God dealt

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printic view of history where God keeps changing what he

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relationship to the nation state of Israel and God's relationship

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to the Church, and so the Church kind of ends

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up being, in many dispensationless a Plan B, and there's

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still these promises that are completely separate to the nation

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state of Israel in history, and so it really divides

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up and judaizes what was already, as we said in

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the first five minutes, kind of a fulfillment. The nefarious

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part of that is that you have people in the West,

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particularly in America, who fell under the spell of Darby's

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student C. I. Schofield, who was a famous conyent he

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Speaker 4: He was a Presbyterian.

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Speaker 3: Minister originally, and that he fell in with some people

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called the Luintemeyer Club. Samuel Lintemar had a club, and

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that was one of the first prominent Zionists in America,

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Samuel Wintermeyer, and they got the idea that that they

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they could probably help sway American evangelical and Bible Belt

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opinion towards, in my view, some of the geopolitical designs

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of the British Empire. And so it's not accidental that

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around the time when you get, you know, the push

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for the Balfour Decoration. So distanceationalism has a two pronged

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Speaker 4: Pies or whatever he's eating. That really muddies up the

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Speaker 3: And gets it all confused because eschatology for Christian theology

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lot of evidence for evangelical groups and movements being used

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by the Sight or in the Cold War to really

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picture anybody who's against the US or against America as

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Gog and Maygog and all this prophetic imagery. But a

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lot of that had to do with foreign policy and

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nothing to do with theology. So again we have a

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huge laundry list of problems that result from dispensationalism.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that the Schofield Bible has influenced our

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foreign policy towards Israel?

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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, there's.

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Speaker 3: No question, because many of the important people who work

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even with Trump, you know, you have PAULA White and

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these spiritual counselors, many many presidents, all the way back

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to Billy Graham. You know, Billy Graham was a rabid dispensationalist,

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you know, pre millennial rapture teacher as well. And you know,

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if you read big historical geopolitical accounts like David len

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using both Catholicism and Evangelical Protestantism as the form of

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American soft power, and so that that was very crucial

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to have people, especially like Billy Graham, pushing an idea

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that they believe was effective against the Soviets and atheism.

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a lesser degree for the CIA in terms of soft power.

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I'm not saying he was a CIA agent or operative.

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I'm just saying he was used. So I'm being very

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precise in my terminology because people are going to say

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I'm crazy and it's good.

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Speaker 4: So no, it's not.

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Speaker 3: You can actually find this in the documentation, the PDFs

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and the Foyer request materials. But yeah, so all the

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way up to people like Pete Hegseth, who you know,

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does good things, but a lot of these people, a

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lot of the big organizations TPUSA included, they're very influenced

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by these types of you know, pro Israel, APAC, pro

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in times Zionists, you know NGO's think tank Thin Groups.

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Koofy is an example of this. John Hagee is involved

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in Christians United for Israel, which is another one of

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these operations. Ted Cruz openly talks about, you know, supporting

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Israel at all costs because it's you know, God's chosen people.

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Speaker 4: But really none of that is accurate in Christian theology.

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Speaker 2: So I guess the overall question is why why are

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they pushing Israel? Why are they using religion in this?

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I know when it came to the Founding Fathers, for instance,

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the British would push the Church of England and they

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do horrible things in the name of faith, and we

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see that happening. But why why are they doing this?

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Is it political? Is it abusing Christianity? Why?

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Speaker 3: Well, if you're the state, and as a libertarian, I'm

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sure you would know this and you would vibe with this,

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like the state has a desire for power, yes, and

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it will use whatever means they're at its disposal to

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achieve that power. And it really has no limits, necessarily

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or any qualms doing immoral things. And so the state

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has always understood, going back to the ancient world, the

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power of religion and you know, in the ancient world,

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the state was worshiped, right, Caesar was God.

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Speaker 4: The state is God on earth, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: And even though we're in a modern, you know, secular,

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post Enlightenment world where we don't think that way, the

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state still operates as if it's divine, you could say,

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in general, and so it wants to utilize any possible means.

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Speaker 4: And that could be Hollywood. It could also be religion.

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Speaker 3: And so if you read there's a famous essay by

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Joseph Nye, who is the Thing's of the Kennedy School,

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you know, government policy writer that's pretty well known.

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Speaker 4: He wrote a paper called soft power a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: And soft power is really just the use of American ideology,

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in this case for extending your power through non connecting means.

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And so that would be anything that's not warfare, but culture.

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That could be economics. You know, we're pushing free markets,

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we're pushing total sexual freedom in other countries, we're pushing

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gay rights like NATO does, as a form of soft

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power warfare. So the another angle or tentacle you could say,

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is religion.

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Speaker 4: Religion is very.

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Speaker 3: Useful for soft power and at many many levels for example,

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there's many books that have been written on how missionaries

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have been used as spies.

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Speaker 4: They're very good. It's a very classic.

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Speaker 3: Espionage cover for the CIA to US or as you said,

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even British intelligence with Anglican missionaries being spies, and even

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corporations can use missionaries for for those types of purposes.

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So evangelical megachurches have a long history of also being

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used for money laundering. We've had so many cases of

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the you know, megachurch pastors being involved in all these

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scandals that are pretty well known. But it's no different

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with you know, in Times eschatology views right, especially during

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the Cold War, for example, it was very useful to

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promote things like uh, well you've got to be into

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you know how lindsays in Times books or whatever, because

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the Soviets are going to nucas at any moment.

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Speaker 4: And so the power of the nuclear threat combined.

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Speaker 3: With eschatology and especially the dispensational theology, was a very

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powerful motivator too, especially a lot of evangelical boomers. I mean,

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my family is a bunch of evangelical boomers, and you know,

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they still believe that El Putin can nucus at any

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moment and it will be the end times and Russia

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is gog and magog and they're going to come down.

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it's all just nonsense, but it's very useful for the

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average you know, Middle America person.

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Speaker 4: The purpose of the state.

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Speaker 2: If you keep people afraid, then they're willing to give

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up their absolutely.

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Speaker 4: What you what's moral?

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Speaker 3: You know, like that's like the like the most powerful

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fear is like the end of the world is coming

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and we're getting nuwe right, So.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so, so that makes sense. And I know, I

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was trying to read up on the on the Whaling Wall.

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Why why do they kiss the wall? And I'm going

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and I'm down a rabbit hole looking at why they

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kiss the whaling wall and what it means. And for them,

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it's it's a fulfillment of prophecy that we believe has

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already been fulfilled, right, and and they believe it and

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it's going to like usher in the second coming a

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seconds actually is what they believe. So it's really anti

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Christian for a Christian to kiss this wall.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately, I mean I think, you know, if you

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go back to the Middle Ages, if the you know,

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Kingdom of Jerusalem had maintained this position as a Christian kingdom,

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which it was at one time, perhaps you could argue

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that it could be a form of Christian relic because

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of course, if you know, Christians go to Israel, we

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go and we visit the problem the you know, the

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tombs of Daniel or Ams, so we would yeah, we

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would honor some of that. But the problem is that

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the motivations, as you said, behind why many politicians do

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it today and why that's sort of expected is that

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it's sort of a sign of deference, right that you're

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you're you're on board with this program here, and it's

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it's nothing really to do with again, the real theology.

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It's more so to do with you know, geopolitical subservience.

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And that's the problem absolutely. But it would also be

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a form I think of judaizing too, because it's not

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being interpreted in the context of you know, this is

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an Old Testament relic pointing to Christ.

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Speaker 4: You know, if, for example, the Arc of the.

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Speaker 3: Covenant was found, you know, like Indiana Jones found the

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Ark of the Covenant or something, and he opened it

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up right, and the angels came out or what I'm joking.

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could say, you know, that's a holy object just like

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anything else from the Old Testament, but it would need

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to be interpreted in the Christian context that well, the

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ark of the Covenant is the type of Mary and

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a type of Jesus. So it's like the type has

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been fulfilled. But that's not the way the wall. The

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wall is understood. It's understood as as you said, the

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sign of the gentile nation submitting to the atheist nation

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state of Israel, and then that being a sign of

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a coming new Messiah who's not the Messiah.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely, yeah, it's to us, I guess it would

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be like an anti christ would not somebody where we

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want to usher in. And it's an anti Christian to

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think that you have any control over that too. So

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I was just down this it all. I was like,

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this is alarming to me. But Ted Cruz when he

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was on the show with Tucker, he had quoted the

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Bible and he said something that wasn't even in the Bible.

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He said, if you bless Israel, you'll be blessed. If

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you curse Israel, you'll be cursed. What is he referring to,

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because we know that nowhere in scripture, nowhere in Genesis, nowhere,

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it doesn't say that anywhere. So what was he actually

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referring to.

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Speaker 3: Well, the statement is said to Abraham, I will bless

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those that bless you, and curse those that curse you.

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And so the promise again is to Abraham in Genesis,

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and there's key chapters that are really important as twelve, fifteen, seventeen,

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and twenty two, and those are all the areas where

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God explicitly makes the covenant with Abraham. And in the

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Old Testament period, it is true that that was a

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promise to the Church of the Old Testament, which Galatians

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three in Hebrews four says was the nation state of Israel,

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just like at the time of Noah, Noah's family was

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the church of that era. So when we have the

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established of the New Testament, fulfillment of that which is

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the Church of Christ Jesus, not the Church of Jesus

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Christ Latter day Saints.

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Speaker 4: But the Christian Church.

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Speaker 3: When that's established, that becomes the new Israel. And that's

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the fulfillment. And so thus those promises and the warnings

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of those who attack and try to persecue the Church

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are transferred to the Church.

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Speaker 4: So it's correct that the.

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Speaker 3: Blessings and the cursings still apply, but the Covenant is

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no longer with the flesh nation state of Israel as

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policies in Galatians four, because that represents the Old Testament.

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That's the old Covenant. The New Covenant is the fulfillment

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of those things. And for example, if you look at

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the seven churches of Asia, Minor Johnson specifically says, Jesus

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is now going to bless or curse you seven churches

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based on whether you are faithful or unfaithful. And Jesus

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uses that covenant sanctioned terminology of blessings and cursings, and

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that lets us know that that warning that was given

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to Abraham and his descendants, and that promise that I

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will bless us a bless you and curse as they

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curse you, that's actually now applicable to the Church. It

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is not applicable to those, as Paul says, who are

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merely fleshly circumcised.

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Speaker 2: What they always go back to is God would never

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break a promise. God would never break a promise, but

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in his numbers fourteen thirty two, he actually says, and

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ye shall know my breach of my promise. Like he

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says it, he breaks the promise in the Bible saying,

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if you scorn me, then I'm going to score on you.

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And he says this. So a lot of what they

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use to defend Zionism is kind of picking and choosing scripture.

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but they're going to ignore the scripture where he breaks

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the covenant. Deuteronomy for twenty six, the Lord shall scatter

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you among the nations. It's so we saw, we saw

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Israel be scattered among the nations because of something God did.

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say hey, you know, or Randy Fine will come out

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and say, we don't have a homeland. We've been scattered

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amongst the nations, it's like, well, according to scripture, God

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did that. So what do you think of that?

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have what appears on the surface to be a contradictory

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position throughout the Old Testament, whether it's Deuteronomy, where you

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have the covenant sanctions.

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Speaker 4: It forgets Heteron in.

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Speaker 3: Twenty six or twenty eight, where you have this list

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of if you are faithful, I will bless you, but

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if you're unfaithful, I will spew you out of the land,

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and you will be dispersed amongst the nations.

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Speaker 4: You'll be in a diaspora.

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Speaker 3: But there's also promises that God will divorce Israel if

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they do certain things.

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Speaker 4: So how is God going to be faithful.

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Speaker 3: And have an everlasting covenant with Israel at the same

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time as He's going to divorce her and predicts that

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he will in Joseah, for example, in other Old Testament passages,

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Jeremiah example, for unfaithfulness, I will give you a writ

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of divorce because of your unfaithfulness. He says, Well, the

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reconciliation is explained in the New Testament many times over,

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when the Israel that's always been spoken of is the

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Israel of faith.

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Speaker 4: And so Paul says in again Galatians three and four.

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Speaker 3: Hebrews says in Hebrews four that at any point in history,

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the only way that you were really part of Israel,

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whether it's Abraham or whether it's Noah.

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Speaker 4: Before the nation state of Israel is.

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Speaker 3: If you had faith in the coming Messiahs and they

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were the Messiah, they were saved in the same way

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as Us through grace. So the Israel, the only one

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is the Church at all times, even back to Genesis.

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Speaker 4: So that's the only Israel that even counts.

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Speaker 3: The Old Testament nation state of Israel was a public

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national covenant of which there were true and false believers

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amongst them. So the true Israel and the Old Testament

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was those who had faith in the coming Messiahs. In others,

493
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Isaiah believed in Jesus. Abraham believed in Jesus. And Paul

494
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makes this very explicit. Jesus says in John five through nine,

495
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in these debates of the Pharisees, he says, Abraham rejoiced

496
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to see my day, and he saw it and was glad.

497
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Abraham believed in me. I Am before Abraham. Right, So

498
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he's saying all these things. The Pharisees say, how could

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Abraham believe in you? You weren't there, you're a young man.

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It's because Jesus is the son of God, and he

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created the world, and so he was always the one

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who was interacting in the Old Testament.

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Speaker 4: As that Angel of the Lord.

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Speaker 3: He's the one that made the covenant and had that

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meal with Abraham in Genesis. So that's important to understand

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how on the one hand, God does keep his faithfulness

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to the Covenant of Israel, which is the true Israel

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the Church from Genesis all the way to the end

509
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of the world. But he also divorced Israel and kept

510
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that promise when in seventy a d. Israel's destroyed by

511
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Titus Vespasian, fulfilling what Jesus predicted in twenty one in

512
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Matthew twenty four that on this generation, he says in

513
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Matthew twenty three, all of the vengeance of the things

514
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written in the prophets will come upon this time in

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that time of Christ, because they had rejected the Messiah.

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So the culmination of Israel's sins happens in the first

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century with the crucifixion of Christ, and it culminates in

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seventy a d.

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Speaker 4: Which I think many New Testament passages, especially like twenty one, Jesus.

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Speaker 3: Says, you standing in front of me, you're going to

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live to see Jerusalem surrounded by enemies and its destruction,

522
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and then you flee into the wilderness that has nothing

523
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really to do with people living today. It makes a

524
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lot of sense to people living in the first century

525
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who would in their lifetime see the destruction of Israel,

526
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which happened in seventy eight. Josephus, the famous historian, was

527
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an eyewitness to this. He wrote about it in his

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books Wars of the Jews, wrote a paper on that

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in grad school. So you have an explicit, you know,

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not just biblical reference, but historical non Christian reference, with

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Josephus attesting to this really pivotal event of the Jews

532
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going into diaspora in seventy a d. So that's how

533
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you have a actual divorce which happens in the first

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century when the Jews would reject the Messiah. Jesus says,

535
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you're going to be the kingom God has taken from you.

536
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That's the divorce Matthew twenty one, forty three. And then

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it's opened up to the gentiles, which fulfills all of

538
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those promises. But the gentile nations would be brought in

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to worship the God of Israel.

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Speaker 2: Now what scripture would you say that is? Is that

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the scripture about the vineyard, or is that when Jesus

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has the Last Supper and break spread. When do you

543
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determine it to be the New Covenant is established?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, I think for most theologians in

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the Orthodox or Catholic tradition, there's not like one specific

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instance because really all of Christ's first coming is kind

547
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of subsumed under one big thing that is kind of

548
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the transition period.

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Speaker 4: So you have from the birth.

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Speaker 3: Of the Messiah all the way to seventy eighty this

551
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kind of transition period, and many many New Testament books

552
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kind of work through this period of Acts is of

553
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course describing the history of the Church being primarily Jewish

554
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for the first ten chapters of Acts, and then the

555
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Jews kind of more and more so on the whole

556
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rejecting it, and it becomes more and more so majority

557
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gentile convert church, even though.

558
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Speaker 4: There's always believing Jews.

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Speaker 3: And according to Romans nine through eleven, Paul says that

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God always in every generation, still has Jewish descendants that

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still believe in the Messiah.

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Speaker 4: And so in that sense, there's a remnant that always believes.

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Speaker 3: So God has maintained all of those promises, and whether

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it's the birth of Christ, his ministry, his establishment, the Eucharist,

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or whether it's his death, roll, resurrection, et cetera, ascension

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or all the way to seventy eighty, all of those,

567
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that's all kind of one redemptive act.

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Speaker 2: You could say, would you say one where he says

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the covenant is now with the Christians. So if there's

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one passage that you had to point to where anybody

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listening could say, actually, know the covenants no longer with you,

572
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with us now, and this is my scripture to prove that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Last Supper is a strong one

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because this is, you know, the blood of the new

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Covenant of my flesh. I mean that covenant reference is

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a reference if you look at the masoretic texts of

577
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Jeremiah thirty one and thirty three. That's a reference to

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those two chapters of Jeremiah because Jeremiah said that when

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we come to this new era of the Messiah, it

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will be a new covenant, not like the covenant that

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I made with your forefathers, So not like the mosaic covenant.

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Speaker 4: That's something surpassing it and superseding it.

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Speaker 3: And although the Orthodox Church normatively uses the set Tulagen

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for the Old Testament, because the apostles did. Sometimes there's

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really interesting insights in the masoretic texts, which is what

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Protestants and Jews use, because even within those masoretic texts,

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there's some really powerful statements that were kind of left

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in that still point to the superiority of where we

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are now.

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Speaker 4: And if you read Jeremiah thirty one and Chapter thirty.

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Speaker 3: Three, you get this idea that when the branch, when

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the massage I have, the diavidic branch comes, this new

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covenant will be superior. And if you understand that new

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covenant language that Jesus is saying with the ego Christ,

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you're a spot on excellent.

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Speaker 2: If anybody in the audience has a question that you

597
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have for Jay or for myself, you can go ahead

598
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a request to be a speaker down there at the bottom,

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and I will make you one. Be brave, be brave.

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A lot of times I don't get any questions. Sometimes

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I get a slew of questions, so we'll see what well.

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Speaker 3: I always open it up to people's de baby all

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the time, so.

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Speaker 4: I welcome opposition. Feel free.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely all right, we got one.

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Speaker 5: So I just posted in the purple pill downe there

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Leviticus where he says he will remember the covenant with Israel.

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And also when you go into like things in Genesis

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where he establishes the covenant, he basically establishes a covenant

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between the people and the land. And I do think

611
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you're correct. This is a very convoluted topic because it's

612
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been twisted and edited over two thousand years.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: But with the the Darby stuff and the Schofield stuff,

615
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yes they're incorrect. There's no rapture, pre tribulation, rapture, any

616
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of that stuff. But when you go back and you

617
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look at the ancient church, like what's his name, Iron

618
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as he goes over dispensationalism in the historic manner the

619
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way they used to believe it, where it's not that

620
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God changes his mind and becomes schizophrenic so to speak,

621
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over the dispensations. It's that God laid out what was

622
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going to happen over each dispensation for each period of

623
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That's why the disciples ask, you know, what's going to

624
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be the sign of your coming in the end of

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this age?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: So the end of the age is what I'm referring

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to as seventy a d In seventy A d.

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Speaker 4: The age of the Old Era, the entire whole Covenant ended.

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Speaker 3: That's why many passages in the New Testament talk about

631
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the destruction of the Temple as the end of the

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Old Age. The Book of Hebrews is about the destruction

633
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of the Temple and the rolling up of the heaven

634
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and the earth, which was symbolized by the Temple. The

635
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temple is a little miniature of the entire universe. It

636
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has that stellar symbology in it. So when the Temple

637
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is destroyed, that's the sign of this whole Old Testament

638
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and fallen world being done away with. Everything in Adam

639
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is now recapitulated in Christ and will be restored in Christ.

640
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So to go back to Leviticus, though, as the New

641
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Testament makes it very clear many many times over, Paul says,

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in every one of these passages in Leviticus that's referring

643
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to the typology fulfilled in the Church. Iernas is not

644
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teaching dispensationalism. This is a word concept fallacy that you're

645
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mixing up the dispensation, which is just God's way of

646
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,599
dealing with people at different times in history. That it

647
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is not dispensationalism. That's a much later mistake. So two

648
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different things have nothing to do with each other. And

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iron As is not teaching anything like this.

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Speaker 5: Worthy I agree, he's not teaching any thing like modern

651
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day dispensationalism.

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Speaker 4: He is.

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Speaker 5: He does say, though, that Israel will come back into

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the land, and he does state very clearly that the Antichrist,

655
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the final Antichrist, will come and set the Church to flight.

656
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So when Jesus says in.

657
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Speaker 4: God to believe that too, then that has anything to

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do with diss.

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Speaker 5: But when Jesus says that he would come back at

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the end of the age, which would be the Church age,

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as the dispensationalist call it, apparently, you know, he says

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that he would gather his elect and then establish his

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millennial kingdom.

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Speaker 3: Right, No, the kingdom is the Church. He set the

665
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kingdom up in Matthew sixteen in the First Advent.

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Speaker 5: But he said he would gather his elect And then

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if you go back now, if you're counting what we

668
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are now as the is the millennium the Kingdom of Christ,

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then Jeremiah is a liar.

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Speaker 4: How's that?

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Speaker 5: Because Jerem I said that during the millennial reign of Christ,

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that your baby will stick his hand into vipers and

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ask and be fine, and that your kids will lay

674
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with lions, and the lion's gonna eat grass and everything.

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The world's gonna be a peace.

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Speaker 3: You're you're judaized as a heretic reading that literally. It's

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not talking about babies literally putting their hands and viprus ness.

678
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It's talking about the peace that the Messiah brings in

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his church and his kingdom. And that's why the New

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Testament always interprets these things in a spiritual way. Jesus

681
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comes back, Yes, there's a body resurrection, but those passages

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are not taking it to me.

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Speaker 5: What you think, well, how much peace has the Church brought?

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Speaker 3: The peace is within the church, Jesus says, the Kingdom

685
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of God is within you. In the Book of Luke,

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the Kingdom of God is the Church. Matthew sixteen, Peter

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says you are a chosen the nation, a royal priesthood.

688
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On Peter two, the Church is the kingdom. So your

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pre millennial heresy is the root problem of this, which

690
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means that you're a judaizer.

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Speaker 2: It's are you there, James.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm here.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, I'm having a laugh.

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Speaker 4: So every time the New Testament cites Psalm one ten.

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Speaker 3: It says that when the Messiah ascended, he sat at

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the right hand of the Father. Okay, that's a reference

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to the ascension. So every time the New Testament cites

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Psalm one ten, it is not about the end times

699
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or a future pre millennial kingdom. It's about the ascension,

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which happened in the Book of Acts. That means that

701
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his reign began at his first advent, and he reigns

702
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in the church. And that's the key component that you're missing,

703
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which is that the historic Church isn't Protestantism, it's the

704
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Orthodox Christian Church. Irenaeus that you mentioned was a bishop

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of the Orthodox Church. He teaches what we teach.

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Speaker 5: So when Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies, did he literally

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and physically fulfill them as they were written or did

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he just symbolically and spiritually fulfilled them.

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Speaker 4: No, it's both.

710
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Speaker 3: And so in Luke twenty one he says, you standing

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in front of me will see the temple destroyed.

712
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Speaker 4: I will come in judgment on the clouds.

713
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Speaker 3: If you read Isaiah nineteen, and if you read the

714
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Book of Ezekiel, when God comes to destroy enemies and

715
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places the kingdoms. The judgment is the other nations that

716
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,880
come in and destroy them. Did he literally fly into

717
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,400
Egypt on the clouds, or did he come in judgment

718
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,880
with another nation to judge them. His prophetic language in

719
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,960
Luke twenty one of Matthew twenty four are talking about

720
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Titus Vespasian destroying Jerusalem in seventy eight. So evangelicals unwittingly

721
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:29,000
take away one of the strongest prophecies in the New

722
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:31,960
Testament that the New Testament documents are accurate by not

723
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:35,760
understanding that Luke twenty one is historically about the destruction

724
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,880
of Jerusalem in seventy eight y. So he did come

725
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:41,880
in judgment in seventy eighty on Jerusalem through Titus Vespasian,

726
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which is exactly what he did throughout the Old Testament.

727
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Speaker 4: Likewise, he will come again bodily at the end of

728
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the world. So it's a both end. It's not another word.

729
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's that's what I'm getting it. It's a

730
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both ends. So the destruction of the Temple was fulfilling

731
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what Jesus was talking about when he said the but

732
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and so yes, the destruction that came. But you also

733
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:05,199
got to look back at the prophets. They said, Israel

734
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,119
will be dispersed three times into the nations, the third

735
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time into all the nations, first into Syrian, then Babylonian. Now,

736
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,119
if you want to look at the Balfour Decoration as

737
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:17,400
being something of man, then you must also look at

738
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the declaration to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem as something

739
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of man.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't know why.

741
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Speaker 3: I don't be because in the promises that we mentioned earlier,

742
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:32,519
in Deuteronomy and the Covenant promises, God says that when

743
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:35,960
you are righteous, I will then restore you to the land.

744
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And so if you want to interpret Balfour Declaration and

745
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,119
all that as a righteous movement back into the land,

746
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,639
the problem is that according to the Orthodox Jews, they

747
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:47,880
shouldn't be there because they were not actually righteous and

748
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,719
brought back into the land.

749
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Speaker 4: So can you demonstrate that in the early.

750
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Speaker 3: Twentieth century the Jews were suddenly righteous when they went back.

751
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 4: Into the land.

752
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 5: Oh no, they're definitely not righteous, and they're going to

753
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be judged for that.

754
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 4: Israel is going to die. Want me back in the land.

755
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 5: According to you, two thirds of Israel is going to die.

756
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 4: What does that have to do with this point.

757
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 5: Well, that's what I'm saying. They're being regathered into the

758
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land for the final.

759
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Speaker 3: Judgments, and the Covenant promises you're not able to come

760
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back to the land until you're righteous.

761
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Speaker 4: So you're arguing that, well, I guess they must have

762
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been righteous.

763
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Speaker 3: Well when I go, if you look at Tel Aviv,

764
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it's a giant's the world's gay capital.

765
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Speaker 4: Is that righteous Israel?

766
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 5: Well they're they're not restored to the fullness of the land.

767
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,199
Yet they're just in a now now.

768
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Speaker 4: It's fullness of the land.

769
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Speaker 5: Well, that is what you promised, right, then a fulfillment. No,

770
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:42,760
the Balfour Declaration is the beginning of the fulfillment. It's

771
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,639
the regathering at Visrael back to.

772
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Speaker 4: The land judgments.

773
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Speaker 3: Then at the time of the Balfrow Decoration to go

774
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,119
back do what when were they righteous? How do you

775
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,480
demonstrate that at the time of the Balfour Decoration to

776
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have the right to go back.

777
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 5: Well, they're not righteous. But he also says they would

778
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,039
regather into the land without being righteous for judgment, because

779
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they're going to be judged.

780
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Speaker 3: You just contradicted yourself. You said that they're not righteous

781
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at that time. You said a minute ago that they

782
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,960
were partially, so which one is it? So when Christ

783
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comes back Israel, which is the believing Jewish and the Christian.

784
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 4: Again, that's not to do with the end times. It's

785
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about nineteen fourteen. Were they righteous at that time?

786
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 5: No, they're still not righteous, and neither are we.

787
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,039
Speaker 3: I don't have a right to go back to the

788
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land according to the Covenant, which you're referring to. Are

789
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,880
you familiar with the Covenant promises and curses?

790
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 5: Yes, I just posted.

791
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Speaker 3: Well, okay, so it says when you repent, then you

792
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:38,599
can come back to the land.

793
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Speaker 4: You just admitted that they didn't. So you contradicted yourself.

794
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 5: Well, I guess you'll see because it's about to happen.

795
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,840
You're watching. You're a prophet, okay, sure, you're Well, no,

796
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,079
I'm just following prophecy. I'm not a prophet.

797
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,199
Speaker 3: Insane interpretation, which is exactly why this protest evangelical nons

798
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:01,719
This puts us in this idiotic position.

799
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 5: I'm not a protestantory evangelical. That's the problem. What are

800
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,239
you a follower of Christ?

801
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: Well, then you're Protestant or Evangelical, because that's the only

802
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,559
thing that's not Orthodox or Catholic.

803
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:15,519
Speaker 4: You have to be one of those.

804
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 5: I don't have to be anything. I can just be

805
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,639
a follower of Christ.

806
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,559
Speaker 4: You're a cult leader. You're a cult leader making up

807
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:21,119
your own religion.

808
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,679
Speaker 5: No, I go to a church that's no anominational, it's

809
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:26,159
not Protestantortity, Evangelical, That'svangelical.

810
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,199
Speaker 4: So not you lied because you said you're not evangelical

811
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,039
when you are.

812
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 5: Just because I go to a church for fellowship does

813
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not mean that I ascribe to everything that they say.

814
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Speaker 3: Well, you're dishonest because you go to an evangelical church

815
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,639
and you just said I'm not evangelical, So that's no.

816
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 5: The Evangelicals are like the Holy Rollers rolling around on

817
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:44,639
the floor, and.

818
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,119
Speaker 3: Any describes anything that's like a Protestant not Classical Reformation church.

819
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:51,079
Speaker 4: So you're just ignorant.

820
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Speaker 5: Sure if I don't understand all the terms, because I

821
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,639
don't really care about the terms, I care about what

822
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:57,800
the scripture actually says.

823
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Speaker 4: So you're you're proud of your ignorance. Good job.

824
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 5: Well, the Lord says he'll make you a fool.

825
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 4: And you think that literally means being a fool? Okay,

826
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:09,599
well thank.

827
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 5: You, and as a man. Yeah, a lot of people

828
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:14,760
think a lot of people think you're crazy when you when.

829
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 4: You say what the Bible actually says, but you can

830
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:17,280
see it.

831
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 3: You think that you're spiritually appointed to things and you

832
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,000
have no idea what you're talking about.

833
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 4: Is there? Is there anyone else?

834
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 5: James?

835
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Speaker 2: Do you have any follow up questions?

836
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,119
Speaker 5: Well, all I'd say is why why is Israel the

837
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:38,239
center of the topic right now?

838
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 4: What? What?

839
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:42,559
Speaker 5: Why? Why have they become so significant in this day

840
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:43,719
and age at this time.

841
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: That's a good question.

842
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:49,039
Speaker 3: Why why would you say, Jane, Because for many years

843
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:53,440
people have criticized Israeli involvement in American foreign policy, and

844
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,119
they were censored, and they were defamed, and they were

845
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,199
mistreated and called everything in the book. And now that

846
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,000
has sort of broke through the control and so now

847
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:07,320
people are figuring out that our foreign policy is not

848
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,679
for American interest, but is foreign interest.

849
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 5: That's why And why do you think it waited till

850
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:18,760
just now as Israel really starts coming back into the

851
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:24,199
land and making Aliah, and specifically from the north more abundantly.

852
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,599
Speaker 4: Than the rest, they just start coming into the land.

853
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: They've been going back to the land according to you

854
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,760
in nineteen fourteen, but they were going into the land

855
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,000
in the eighteen sixties, which did you even know that?

856
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, they had people there during that time. It's

857
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,800
been a slow roll, that's for sure. They've been gathered

858
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,360
in slowly. But do you not also admit that there's

859
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,800
an increased focus on Israel and the topic of discourse

860
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,639
in the world. There's an increased wine towards Jewish people.

861
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 4: I just stated whine.

862
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 5: Okay, but you're looking at it from the physical point

863
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,480
of view. Look at it from a spiritual.

864
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: Point I mean, we just spent twenty minutes arguing the

865
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,239
spiritual point of view. So you're just find mentally a

866
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:12,880
slow person.

867
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 4: Man. I don't know what to tell you.

868
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 5: You'd be surprised. Anyways, I'd keep an eye on Israel,

869
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,960
and i'd keep an eye on those two aircraft carriers

870
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:21,719
saving and be there.

871
00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:26,639
Speaker 2: Thank you, James. Does anybody else have any questions? You

872
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:28,159
go ahead a request to be a speaker down there

873
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:32,559
at the bottom, and I will make you one. All right,

874
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:35,840
that's good. I do like these long form interviews, and

875
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,639
I like it when people can come up in debate.

876
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:42,159
And that was those very brave of you, James. So

877
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,800
how do you think? Okay, So how should anti Zionist

878
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,880
Orthodox Christians approach us aid to Israel, regional peace and

879
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,119
the Jewish Christian dialogue in general.

880
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny so that because we just had the

881
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:03,840
patriarchs and of the Orthodox Church in Jerusalem yesterday issued

882
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,960
a statement that Christian Zionism is absolutely destructive as a

883
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,519
heresy in the Christian sense, and by the way, it

884
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:15,639
never existed until you know, the last thirty years. So

885
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,800
this should tell people who have any interest in being

886
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,360
associated with or connected to the historic Church which actually

887
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,280
put the Bible together, that this recent heresy should that

888
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,360
should alone be an indicator that this is a bunch

889
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,599
of bologney. But I mean, it's just destructive. Like because

890
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,159
again it's not that Jews shouldn't have a homeland. I

891
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:39,159
think that they should, but it's not their own faults that,

892
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,400
at least the Jews living today, that the British Empire

893
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,440
and the Rothchilds and these people decided on putting that

894
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,760
homeland in the Middle East on purpose to create a

895
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,000
powder cake. There were other places that were discussed. There

896
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,480
was a discussion of Austria, of New Zealand.

897
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:59,119
Speaker 4: All kinds of different places were considered for a Jewish.

898
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,159
Speaker 3: Homeland, and it was actually a tiny mustache Man that

899
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,079
supported the exportation of those people, and through the Havara Agreement,

900
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,159
the Tiny mustache Men followers supported it being in the

901
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:13,320
Middle East, and so you really couldn't have where we

902
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,000
are at least post nineteen forty eight with the United

903
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:20,840
Nations recognizing the nation state of Israel without Tiny mustache

904
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,320
Men and his persecutions. So my view, I believe that

905
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,119
the banking elite, the power structure in the West, funded

906
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:28,559
that war.

907
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:29,519
Speaker 4: They wanted that war.

908
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:33,599
Speaker 3: So I don't blame Jewish people for wanting a homeland

909
00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:34,679
or for where they are.

910
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 4: That's why there's no easy answers to this solution. But

911
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:38,880
the problem is.

912
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: That Americans are forced into and I would agree that

913
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:44,920
I don't care whether it's Katari or whether it's anything.

914
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,760
We shouldn't have our tax money trucked off to all

915
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,400
these foreign countries, Ukraine or any of them, because it's

916
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:56,400
the maintenance of this ridiculous empire, which is what this

917
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,960
is all about. And so the money is all for

918
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:04,239
corporate scammers and political elite. It's all stolen, it's all

919
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,320
used for blackmail, it's all funneled into just nonsense, and

920
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,000
that's why our country is being destroyed.

921
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: So do you think that they landed on Israel because

922
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,800
of the holy sites and the history as opposed to

923
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,480
Austria or opposed to somewhere else.

924
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 3: I think that if you read quickly on it, he

925
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,239
goes into quite a bit of depth about this. They

926
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:28,440
they felt like that would just resonate better with the people,

927
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,760
and so you know, Jewish people would have a natural

928
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,800
affinity with the land of their ancestors in Abraham than

929
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,760
if it was some other place like New Zealand.

930
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 4: So I mean, I think that was one component of it.

931
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 3: Also, this is you know, going back to the Great Game,

932
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,239
and at that time, the British Empire really wanted to

933
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:52,719
establish outposts that would be strategic against the Ottomans. You know,

934
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,000
prior to that, when it's in eighteen sixties, you know,

935
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:57,039
when the Rostils are buying the land from the Sultan,

936
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,400
the Ottoman Empire was a big threat to the British Empire.

937
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,960
This is also why the British radicalized and made alliances

938
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,800
with a lot of Sunni groups and Wahabby groups to

939
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:09,400
fund or to fight against the Ottomans. And so that's

940
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,039
why Turkish Islam. The Turks and the Sunnis have always fought.

941
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,159
The British wanted to control, for example, Muslim holy sites.

942
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They wanted to control Mecca because they felt like they

943
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could control Islam. So likewise, if they could control the

944
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Middle East through a proxy like.

945
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Speaker 4: Israel, that's why they wanted it to be there.

946
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Speaker 3: So there was a lot of reasons why Great Game

947
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battling Russia. It's not just the Ottomans. They were also

948
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part of the Great Game against Russia. So they wanted

949
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all the outposts that they could have and also oil.

950
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There's a great book on this by a French intelligence

951
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analyst named Gilbert Munier, and he has a book called

952
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Black Gold Spies, which is the history of the British Empire.

953
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They were split amongst their intelligensia and the royal society leads.

954
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There were the Araba files like Kim Philby and Gertrude

955
00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:04,440
Bell and Saint John Philby and not Kim philmy St

956
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,440
John Philby, his dad, Gertrude Bell and T.

957
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Speaker 4: Lawrence.

958
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Speaker 3: They were obsessed with and loved Arabic culture and them

959
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loved Islam.

960
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Speaker 4: But you also had the Rothchild side of it.

961
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Speaker 3: They were obsessed with and loved Zionism eventually, and the

962
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Israeli they were Israeli files.

963
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,039
Speaker 4: So the British power structure was struggling with us. They

964
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were split.

965
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,599
Speaker 3: And for example, a lot of those British pies they

966
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:30,360
didn't want the nation state of Israel. They were absolutely

967
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opposed to it. And these are really prominent, important people too.

968
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:36,400
So if you look at there's actually a nothing great

969
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,119
of a movie, but all of.

970
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 4: This plays into the film.

971
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 3: It's Nicole Kidman played Gertrude Bell in a movie I

972
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,920
forget the name of it, but she played the famous

973
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,519
British by and of course Peter O'Toole played to Lawrence

974
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:53,639
famously in Lawrence of Arabia. And so if you watch

975
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those films you'll get an idea what I'm talking about.

976
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:59,000
So that's a long answer to your question, but it's

977
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all the above.

978
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Speaker 2: Goold answer, JR. Are you there?

979
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Speaker 6: Yes, I am hi.

980
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: Do you have a question for Jay?

981
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:09,199
Speaker 4: No?

982
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 6: I just wanted to back up what he was saying

983
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,880
in regards to me and Jay are friends, by the way, But.

984
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 4: A lot a lot of paid.

985
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:32,519
Speaker 6: A lot of American Protestantism separately from Israeli Zionism had

986
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:38,360
developed an idea of Christian Zionism in its own theology

987
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,039
because of, you know, the way that they particularly read

988
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:48,960
the Bible, and so that's that's another thing why the

989
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,960
actual world of Palestine would be the proper place for it,

990
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,000
and why it would fit in with American Zionism in

991
00:54:57,039 --> 00:55:00,800
the twentieth century, because there was already a misreading by

992
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,639
American Protestants that moved in that direction already as well

993
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corresponding with it, you know, like Israeli Zionism, like Theodore Herzel.

994
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:18,039
Speaker 3: Parallel to that, Yeah, and John's correct, to be precise,

995
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:23,039
Even before Schofield and Darby, you had Anglican ministers that

996
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:26,000
were sort of proto. They weren't dispensationalists, but they were

997
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,440
British Israelite theory proponents, and they had come up with

998
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,599
this idea that the nation that the Lost Tribes and

999
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the Old Testament were actually somehow perhaps the British Isles tribes,

1000
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and so they kind of felt like England and so

1001
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,920
forth were sort of this you know, directly associated quasi

1002
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:50,199
Zionist Jewish heritage group, and so that prepared the way,

1003
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,639
I think for the rise of Schofieldism through the because

1004
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:56,159
the Plumouth Brethren were not like a huge movement, you know,

1005
00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:58,480
they were kind of a small sort of you know,

1006
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:03,159
decentralized let out of Anglicanism that didn't have a huge influence.

1007
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:07,679
But there was this tendency which which exists even amongst

1008
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,000
the British Royalty to this day, where they kind of

1009
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:13,519
believe this weird apology that they have a descent from Jesus.

1010
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:14,199
Speaker 4: Some of them do.

1011
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: This is why they will reference Joseph of Arimathea and

1012
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,519
supposedly they descend from from this biblical heritage. I mean,

1013
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:29,199
it's all ridiculous, but it's useful again for geopolitical purposes. Right,

1014
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:30,840
So if you're if you're a medieval king and you

1015
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,239
can say, well, I'm actually descended from the House of David,

1016
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:36,159
like you could see how that might be useful.

1017
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely, do you have a hard stop at eight?

1018
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:41,119
Speaker 4: I'm down for whatever.

1019
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, there's more questions. I just I didn't want

1020
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,000
to be respectful of your time.

1021
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:45,639
Speaker 4: No, it's cool.

1022
00:56:46,039 --> 00:56:49,519
Speaker 2: Great. Well, James, who was asking you questions earlier, has

1023
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:52,239
a follow up. So James, what's your follow up?

1024
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:58,199
Speaker 5: I'm curious what what is your understanding of the geopolitical

1025
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,800
landscape that must be in place before the Antichrist rises

1026
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,679
and through Messiah returns.

1027
00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:07,639
Speaker 3: As the Orthodox Church teaches that there will be a

1028
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:10,360
falling away at the end of the world by the Church.

1029
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,679
There will be some mass apostasy, There will be an

1030
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,079
anti Christ figure. He will probably arise out of the

1031
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:18,239
nation state of Israel. Hence he would be able to

1032
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,599
dupe those. Like Jesus said, if one comes you know

1033
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:23,840
in his own name him, you will believe Jesus says

1034
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,519
in John. So we believe that there will be a

1035
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:32,000
worldwide persecution. There will be some form of total global

1036
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:36,079
economic control. So we believe those things. We do believe

1037
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:38,320
there will be a mass conversion of the Jews. Most

1038
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,639
of the Church fathers teach that, especially the Eastern Church

1039
00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:43,440
fathers because of Roman's eleven. But none of that has

1040
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:49,519
anything to do with dispensationalism or the modern Protestant judaized heresy.

1041
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,239
Speaker 5: Well, I was more specifically asking about the world governance.

1042
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:57,639
What is the government stance supposed to be during this time?

1043
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 4: The government stance, I don't understand the question.

1044
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 5: So what form? Okay, the ten Kings also, hey, Lewis,

1045
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,199
how's it going the Ten Kings? Do you guys believe

1046
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,039
or ascribe to the fact that the Ten Kings will

1047
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:15,760
arise and then the Antichrist will take out three of them?

1048
00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 3: So I believe that if you read books like Days

1049
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,519
of Vengeance Ay David Chiltern or Children, or if you

1050
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:25,440
read Peter Leiheart's commentary on Revelation, that most of what's

1051
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,679
happening the book Revelation was fulfilled in seventy eight d

1052
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,960
with neuro So I don't have any direct copy paste

1053
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,599
analog for every one of the elements of the book Revelation.

1054
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:36,519
To the end of the world, the Orthodox Church has

1055
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:39,000
a humility approach to it. We believe that as the

1056
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:41,559
end of the world approaches, we will have the mind

1057
00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:42,880
of Christ and we will know how.

1058
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,199
Speaker 4: To interpret those things. But as at this stage we

1059
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:45,679
do not know.

1060
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 5: I would just like to point out that within six

1061
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:52,400
months went from no King protest to long Live the

1062
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:53,119
King in Iran.

1063
00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 6: You gotta understand a lot of Protestant eschatology is a century,

1064
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,440
late nineteenth century. That's it like, there isn't any like

1065
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:11,440
interpretation of the you know, of a tribulation or the

1066
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:15,400
end times. That's all developed in the twentieth centuries, not

1067
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,400
any older than that.

1068
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 4: I don't think he cares he's doing it. He's a

1069
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,239
lone gunner for Jesus. So no.

1070
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 5: Iron As specifically states that to not be.

1071
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,079
Speaker 4: Worried to teach anything like what you teach.

1072
00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:34,199
Speaker 5: Iron specifically states to not be worried until the ten

1073
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,039
Kings arise.

1074
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 4: Aaron As has nothing to do with what you believe

1075
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:39,559
at all. Why are you studying.

1076
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,639
Speaker 5: Arnas because that's part to where I got my understanding from.

1077
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:43,960
It's from aaron As.

1078
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:48,559
Speaker 4: That As is a bishop of Leone. Uh huh. Does

1079
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:53,280
your church have bishops? Is? What? Does your church have bishops?

1080
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,119
We have elders. That's not a bishop. That's an episcopage.

1081
00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:00,599
Speaker 3: Right, So if you read book three of as heresies,

1082
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:02,719
or if you read book four he talks about the

1083
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,400
tradition of Apostolic succession, does your church have that?

1084
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 5: Well, no, because all the churches have a very incorrect

1085
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,679
understanding of what's about that, right.

1086
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:14,159
Speaker 4: And you've got to figure out now. So that's why

1087
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:15,519
I say you're in pre last.

1088
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,719
Speaker 5: And you have nothing, And so you said you'll find out,

1089
01:00:19,159 --> 01:00:22,039
I dude, you'll find out keep an eye on Israel

1090
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:23,920
on those two aircraft carriers.

1091
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 4: Okay.

1092
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 3: For those the scorpions in the Book of Revelation. Is

1093
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,840
that the aircraft carriers? Is that what John was prophesying,

1094
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:34,840
the aircraft carriers?

1095
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 5: No, that's in Daniel, You're just an idiot. No, not

1096
01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:46,519
talking about aircraft carriers. Just heah, he was the wings

1097
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:48,960
of the eagle. What's on an aircraft carry?

1098
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:50,119
Speaker 4: The flight aircraft?

1099
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 3: Actually your skits though I thought we were actually into

1100
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:53,000
like product.

1101
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 4: This is just skids, the level stuff.

1102
01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 5: Keep an eye out.

1103
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,719
Speaker 4: You'll find out, Thank.

1104
01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 2: You, James. Does anybody else have any questions? There was

1105
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,480
somebody in here with a question, but I think they

1106
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,039
got booted out. So if they come back at them

1107
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:09,039
back and again, anybody else says any question? I have?

1108
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:12,960
Some are the Jews of today, the Israelites.

1109
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:17,639
Speaker 3: I do agree with the way that most of the

1110
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:23,760
Church fathers of the later post you know, Theatristic era, like,

1111
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,039
they continually speak of the Jews as Jews, and so

1112
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:30,360
there is Judaism, there are Jews, and for the Jews

1113
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,079
to convert, there has to be the existence of Jews.

1114
01:01:33,079 --> 01:01:36,400
So I do believe that Jews exist. They are actually Jews.

1115
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,639
I don't believe what the people think that there's no

1116
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:41,239
such thing as Jews anymore. That's kind of a crazy position.

1117
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,760
Jesus says, salvation is of the Jews. In John four,

1118
01:01:44,119 --> 01:01:46,920
the Book of Zachariah talks about Jews. So Jews are

1119
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,639
a thing. They do exist, they are real. But it

1120
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:52,519
is true that Rabbinic Judaism went off in its own

1121
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:55,360
direction in the second and third century as it gradually

1122
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,519
moved away from Christianity. So they parted ways and they

1123
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:01,400
have very different worldview, is a very different ethos. There

1124
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,119
really is on such a thing as Judeo Christian civilization

1125
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,320
because they're not diametrically.

1126
01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 4: Opposed at the root. But that doesn't mean that there's

1127
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:10,880
no Jews and they don't exist.

1128
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 3: There is Judaism, And as Romans eleven says, as Saint

1129
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,079
Cerle of Alexandria says, the Jews of the world will convert.

1130
01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:19,920
John Damascus says this on the Orthodox faith. One of

1131
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,559
the signs of the end of the world is the

1132
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:22,880
conversion of the Jews.

1133
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: Excellent. I'm going to go through read the comments, all right,

1134
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:32,639
I says Paul's faith never wavered for the sake of Christ.

1135
01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:37,280
Then I am content with weakness, insults, hardship, prosecutions, and calamities.

1136
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,920
For when I am weak, I am strong Corinthians twelve ten.

1137
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:48,480
Thank you guys. All Right, dude said, this is from Alexandria.

1138
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:52,000
Dude said, and neither are we righteous, even though the

1139
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,880
Bible calls us righteous of a jillion times. And he

1140
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,199
doesn't know he's an evangelical, he his opinion on biblical

1141
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:06,519
interpretation should be rejected. Okay, I'm guessing that one's about James. Okay,

1142
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,920
we are hearing the gospel of progressive Are we hearing

1143
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,840
the gospel of progressive Christianity? I just heard about or

1144
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,039
was warned about this in church today, So so that's

1145
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:23,039
a question. Are we hearing about the gospel of progressive Christianity?

1146
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:24,440
He was warned about it in church?

1147
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,159
Speaker 4: Or who's is? Are we hearing about it? Like with

1148
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:30,119
me talking about it.

1149
01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:33,239
Speaker 2: Or like in it sounds like it sounds like a

1150
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,760
question that he has in general, Like, Jay, are we

1151
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,320
learning to have the Gospel of Christianity? I just heard

1152
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:39,400
about that today in church?

1153
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:41,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1154
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 3: I mean these kinds of things pop up all the time,

1155
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,800
Like you know, back in the two thousands, there was

1156
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,239
the emergent church movement, which was, you know, this weird

1157
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,760
kind of evangelical in geo creation to try to remake

1158
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:55,880
non nominational churches with a kind of a little bit

1159
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,119
of tradition. And so I think there's always these kind

1160
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:01,519
of new trends that spring up. But in my view,

1161
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:03,960
you know, the only church that has all the same

1162
01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:05,199
views as the Church of the.

1163
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:07,119
Speaker 4: First thousand years is the Orthodox Church.

1164
01:04:08,039 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 3: So if you want to guard yourself from that, the

1165
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,559
best place to guard yourself from that is the Orthodox Church.

1166
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: Okay, go Tech says on a side note, Jay kind

1167
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,320
of sounds like John Goodman. Well, Jay doesn't look like

1168
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,079
John Goodman, but well, thank you.

1169
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:27,039
Speaker 4: I mean I could put on a well, actually he

1170
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:27,800
lost a lot of ways.

1171
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,519
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, like, maybe maybe is it John

1172
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:32,679
Goodman in you know, like in the nineties, or like

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John Goodman as King Ralph Hopefully not like.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he means I'm eli Jimstone, Right, it's like the righteous.

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Speaker 2: Jimstone Sully from Munsters, Inc. All Right, what makes Jay

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Dire an expert? That makes you an expert?

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Speaker 4: Joe, Well, I didn't claim to be an expert, but you've.

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Speaker 2: Been interpreted as one. Then, I mean I.

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Speaker 4: Would said there are certain fields that I'm proficient in.

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Speaker 3: I would say there's a couple of areas that mine

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might qualify as an expert in, but I wouldn't give

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myself that title. I think it was a little pretentious.

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But I mean, I know philosophy and worldviews very well.

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I would say I know debate very well. But in

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these other areas, they're just areas that I've spent i

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don't know, twenty five thirty years studying diligently.

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Speaker 2: I think that that's enough. I mean, we saw the

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experts during COVID weren't experts at all, So you know,

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I think that it's fine that you don't claim to

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be one. I think that that's admirable.

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Speaker 3: I mean, my grad work focused on philosophy and psychological warfare,

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so I could say I'm proficient in those areas.

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Speaker 2: What's your degree in?

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Speaker 4: Well, I left in.

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Speaker 3: The midst of my grad thesis, so I did peer

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review publish it. I like to say that just because people,

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well they used to think view peer review more highly

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than they do now. Yeah, So I always like to

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debunk peer review by saying, well, if you think I'm crazy,

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you realize I am pure viewed, right, Like I can

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point you to my pure review paper. But no, my

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studies were I went two years of grad school and

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as I was working on a master's thesis, had a

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huge falling out with the advisor.

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Speaker 4: But I studied English and philosophy, very cool. My grad

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work was on James Bond.

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Speaker 2: Actually really like who who?

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Speaker 4: Like who?

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Speaker 3: The way that Bond was used in the Cold War

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as a form of propaganda.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I see.

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Speaker 3: If you find if you can find my my grad paper,

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at least the first chunk of it.

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Speaker 4: It's it's like the Journal of American.

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Speaker 3: Sociology and Economics, and it's it's called the Mini Layers

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of Double seven was my grad paper. And so how

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they were using James Bond as a form of soft

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power propaganda during the Cold War.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, I'm seeing people used I mean, I study revolutionary history.

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I'm seeing people bring that up at every term with

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everything going on, and it's all very very eple understanding

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of what actually happened and saying, oh, it's just like

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the Boston Tea Party, and you know, dude, so yeah,

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it's that can be kind of rough sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Question did you study that academically or is it just

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a personal interest.

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Speaker 2: That's a personal interest of mine. I'm an out of

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didact so and I try to do my best. But

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I mean, I gone to school. I did. I have

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an associate's degree and all that, but I I took

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some courses, but I'm like, this isn't I was in Massachusetts,

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so I guess that that, you know, was a lot

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of rewritten stuff, and I knew it was, and so

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I was like, I don't need a degree. I can

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just teach myself, and so I did. I studied for

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like eight years, and that's why I am the way.

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Speaker 4: I think that's definitely acceptable.

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Speaker 3: And not that I judge your studies or whatever, but

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in my assessment, you know, most of what I learned

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and undergrad in grad school, what the best part of

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it was just that it forces you to read a

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lot of people that you normally wouldn't have read.

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Speaker 4: It forced you to engage with.

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Speaker 3: And you know, interact with ideas that you disagree with

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or you probably would have just dismissed. And then it

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forces you to write hundreds and hundreds of papers. And

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so the writing was I think the best thing for

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me because that led to, you know, writing books. So

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I probably wouldn't be able to do that if I

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had not done all those stupid college papers.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's that's how I learned too. I'm not

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sure how you learned, but I have to write, so

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I can. I can read and read and read, but

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it's as soon as I write it down, it's committed.

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It's committed to my memory.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I'm marked up. My books have to

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be all marked up. So that's the only way that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got it right. It's in the margins

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for sure. All right, this question is question for all

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the listeners. In your opinion, has Christian Zionism been a

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net benefit or a net liability to Christianity's moral witness

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and continued presence in the Holy Land and why You

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can answer that.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, any thing that is a heresy or

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anything that's heterodox cannot produce good results or good fruits.

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So I would say there has to be overall assessed

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as something that is bad. For example, you know in Palestine.

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Speaker 3: You do have Amas, which was set up by Israel

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originally as a counterbalance against the PLO that's in victor

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of Strowsky's books. But you have the same time a

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small minority of Orthodox Christians there, so to support the

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you know, removal and deletion of those people amounts ultimately

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to persecuting the you know, the Christian Church. So you know,

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Evangelicals are completely ignorant of that, but they would have

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to be in this position like Ted Cruz kind of

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is of like you know, well, do you have support whoever?

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Speaker 4: Anybody that's an enemy of Israel is an enemy of

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you know, God, so that's in that negative.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, this last question, all right, it looks

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like it's referencing when James had mentioned Israel was in

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the news a lot, says question, Iran is in the

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news a lot, and it has been. Does that mean

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Shia Islam is true?

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Speaker 4: Of course not.

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Speaker 3: I've debated most of the Muslims out there, had some

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pretty serious engagements and chats with one of the foremost

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Shia scholars. We argued on several open live streams and xpaces.

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Speaker 4: So of course not she Islam as is it insane cult?

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Speaker 3: It's basically just neoplatonism, and no, it's not any more

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true than rabbinic.

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Speaker 2: Philosophis James, you have a question.

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Speaker 5: No, I was just gonna make a statement on that

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question because it seems like I was a little misunderstood.

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The fact that Israel is targeted, that there is primary

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in the news is part of what the prophecy says,

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that Israel be the focal point of all the things

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that are going to happen. The news has nothing to

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do with your Can I finish my statement please? I

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thought you were well versed in debates. But the thing

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that was going the thing that's going on in Iran,

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du the thing that's going on in.

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Speaker 4: The Ran debate.

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Speaker 5: Okay, well are you well versed in conversation? Can I

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finish my thought?

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Speaker 2: Finish your thought?

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Speaker 5: James, Thank you. So the thing that's going on in

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Iran is the first of the ten Kings rising. That

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is why you're seeing the king and that's why the

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United States is pushing the prince, the exiled prince of

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Iran to come back in and take over Iran. That

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is the first king rising.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant, Thank you, James. All right, Okay, well I'm done

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with my questions. There don't seem to be any more

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01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,199
questions from the audience. So you mentioned books, You wrote

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books where can people find your books?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you go to jasonalysis dot com, which is

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my website, I have a vast archive there of stuff.

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But I also have three books on Hollywood Aster Hollywood one, two,

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and three and this is over a thousand pages of

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symbolic analysis of film. And then I have my read book,

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which is about six hundred pages of apologetics, theology, philosophy.

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Speaker 4: You can go watch all my debates with all the

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top Muslims.

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Speaker 3: If you think that this makes me some sort of

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weird Muslim apologists, totally not true.

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Speaker 4: You can watch all the debates that with atheists.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it's all at Jason Alys's Jason Webb jasonalysis dot.

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Speaker 2: Com, Analysis dot Com. Okay, perfect, all right, great, so

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jasonalysis dot com if you'd like this interview and you're

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01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,439
interested in what jays to say and go find more

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01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:26,560
information there in his books. There. Thank you again. How

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can people find you in support your work?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can also follow me hero next just Ja Dyer.

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You can find me on Instagram. I'm usually hosting the

1335
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:38,279
fourth hour of the AUCT Show and so on Fridays.

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I've done that for the last six years. You can

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find me at the Sam Hid Show. If you watch

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the first season, I co wrote most of those. So yeah,

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that's where I'm at and I'm on YouTube. Jeddyre on YouTube,

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and I'm happy now we do almost daily live stream

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so you can find me usually live stream on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Very cool, and I'm happy to have you debate somebody

1343
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,000
on my show and to love to host debates and

1344
01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:05,119
I it's so hard to find people who want to

1345
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:08,840
debate at this point. Yeah, I'm going to keep you,

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01:13:09,039 --> 01:13:11,600
keep you in the wings for that, all right. So

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when I log out, I'm gonna have you hang out

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01:13:13,119 --> 01:13:14,640
with here with me for a little bit, but we're

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01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,079
going to let these guys go. Now. Thank you everybody

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for coming. Take care of yourselves, take care of each other,

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and stay free.