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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the God's I View Podcast. I am your host, Trevor.

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<v Speaker 1>Today is what I like to call an accidental podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a podcast by default. Let me explain. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've all heard me say complain. No, I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say complain, but you've heard me say that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast does not make money, and that's fine because

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<v Speaker 1>that's not really the intention. You know, however, you know

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<v Speaker 1>it would it. It'd be cool if it made money, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that'd be nice. So I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you guys know, but a buddy of mine who I

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<v Speaker 1>co host a podcast with and I started a publishing company.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's that word is those words are doing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of work, as the kids would say, because really

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<v Speaker 1>it's just you know, he's he's a writing coach and

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<v Speaker 1>an editor. And so he edited my book. I formatted it,

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<v Speaker 1>I made the cover. We got it all typeset and

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<v Speaker 1>formatted it correctly, and we went through Amazon and so

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<v Speaker 1>you can buy the book on Amazon. And I recorded

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<v Speaker 1>the audio book and stuff. So hold on, want to

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<v Speaker 1>said anyway, So we did that and afterwards we're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we could do this for people because it's a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of work. Actually, and you know, it's not really a

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<v Speaker 1>good business because like, when I wrote a book, my

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<v Speaker 1>instinct was not to give anyone any money, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I did it myself. With help though, with

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<v Speaker 1>my friend David. Anyway, so we have this thing, it's

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<v Speaker 1>called Hemospheric Press. There's a website, there's a substack, and

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<v Speaker 1>so he mostly he I do very little, is helping

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<v Speaker 1>other people write books. But it's not really a good

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<v Speaker 1>business because it takes forever to write a book. So

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<v Speaker 1>like he's been working on books with people for like

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<v Speaker 1>six months, eight months, you know. And we've also done

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of royalty only contracts, which means you don't

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<v Speaker 1>pay as the author, you don't pay anything. You just

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<v Speaker 1>give a percentage of your sales to us. And because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like such a long lead time to actually get

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<v Speaker 1>products out, it just ends up being a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>free work. So I've been kind of trying to think

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<v Speaker 1>of ways to make money, not really for the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>but for him, because he's doing all this work. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm a co owner in the company, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't expect really to ever get money. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in five years. But so I was thinking, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to edit. I don't want to format. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to let him keep doing all that work. But

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<v Speaker 1>is there anything I could do that would help bring

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<v Speaker 1>in some money? And so my idea is this, tell

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<v Speaker 1>me what you think about this. Email me at Godsy

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<v Speaker 1>view book at gmail dot com. There are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of books that are in what's called the public domain.

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<v Speaker 1>What this means is that they're either I think, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years old, or they the author has died more

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<v Speaker 1>than seventy five years ago. There's like all these rules

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<v Speaker 1>for what becomes public domain, Like the Bible is public domain.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you know you can listen to a million

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<v Speaker 1>different versions of the Bible on audible, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to make some modifications, like maybe you write

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<v Speaker 1>a short introduction or something. Anyway, So the problem with

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<v Speaker 1>this if you want to try to make a business

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<v Speaker 1>of it, is most one hundred year old books suck,

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<v Speaker 1>and the ones that don't suck have already been reproduced

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the the updated edition ten times by

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<v Speaker 1>ten different people. So it's just like a difficult way

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<v Speaker 1>to make money. But I have found a category of

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<v Speaker 1>books that for some reason has not really been reproduced,

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<v Speaker 1>and so my idea was that I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>start recording these books on audio. Now I'm not probably

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm not Morgan Freeman, right, so it maybe

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't make sense for me to record audiobooks. However, no

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<v Speaker 1>one else is doing it, you know, and so this

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<v Speaker 1>category of books, it's it's all of these books that

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<v Speaker 1>are important to the early Christians, you know, it's big

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<v Speaker 1>and Orthodoxy, and then also other books that aren't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>specifically orthodox, but are you know, ancient virtual texts. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>many of these are pretty unreadable, but some of them aren't.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them are actually really good, like they really

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<v Speaker 1>hold up. And so I thought I would start recording

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<v Speaker 1>these and then probably either like put publishing them on

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<v Speaker 1>our substack, also audible, but somewhere that we control, because

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't know, Amazon, like they take like eighty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the money when you buy an audiobook something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and so whether that's an app or a

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<v Speaker 1>website or so or they actually is really cool. You

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<v Speaker 1>can make a paid podcast feed, so maybe you pay

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<v Speaker 1>a dollar a month or whatever, and you get a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast feed email to you, and you can enter it

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<v Speaker 1>into your existing podcast app that you already use. So

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<v Speaker 1>anytime we publish a new book, it pops up, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I thought that'd be kind of cool, like a

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<v Speaker 1>subscription based audiobook thing for books. A lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>books don't even have audiobooks. I looked up some and

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<v Speaker 1>one of them had like an ai voice, but most

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<v Speaker 1>of them didn't even have an audiobook. And there's other

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<v Speaker 1>books that I can't believe don't have audiobooks, like some

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<v Speaker 1>of the Deutero canonical books that are in some Bibles

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<v Speaker 1>but not others, you know, like the Book of Wisdom

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<v Speaker 1>or even some of the now most of the apocryphal

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<v Speaker 1>books like Book of Knoch. There's tons of audiobooks. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to find this niche, you know, of really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting ancient spiritual texts that in my opinion, are not

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<v Speaker 1>like going to lead people astray. You know, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>like weird pseudo apick or full gnostic texts have been

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<v Speaker 1>like discredited as heretical, you know. Now, I will say,

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<v Speaker 1>some of these books, if you are a modern Christian,

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<v Speaker 1>might kind of shock you. And it's interesting. It's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>reading what the first Christian's thought, and I will admit

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's more gnostic than we are. And what I

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<v Speaker 1>mean by that is, you know, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>emphasis on becoming God's ourselves, but lowercase G like becoming

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<v Speaker 1>a son of God, not actually becoming God, because the

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<v Speaker 1>desire to be God this is like a Satanic impulse, right,

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<v Speaker 1>This is the lucifer, the rebel who's cast out of heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to rule heaven and be God. It's different.

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<v Speaker 1>The word they use for it is Theosis. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a book called Theosis. And stop at Google AI,

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<v Speaker 1>I google, you know, public domain first century or No,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say that. I said like early church, Church

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<v Speaker 1>father books something like that, So it should have it should

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<v Speaker 1>have been like fourth century. That's kind of what I

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<v Speaker 1>was assuming, and much of them were. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the books was called Theosis that came back in the

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<v Speaker 1>search results, and I started reading it and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is good. This sounds like it could like it

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<v Speaker 1>could have been written yesterday. So I recorded the first

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<v Speaker 1>chapter and towards the end of the first chapter they

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<v Speaker 1>have the word television in radio, and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this book wasn't written sixteen hundred years ago. So I

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<v Speaker 1>look it up and it was written in nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's still under copyright, so there's a waste of time.

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't mean I can't play the chapter I

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<v Speaker 1>recorded for you all right now. Now this is a

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<v Speaker 1>this is what is called if you're interested in copyright stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>this would be called like fair use. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>we're commenting, we're talking about the Osis, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to one chapter, only a sample, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>kind of explained to you why it's relevant. So I've

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<v Speaker 1>commented on it, so I think it's okay, but we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see the monks of saying atmos can can send me

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<v Speaker 1>a cease and desist and I will happily remove it

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<v Speaker 1>if not. Anyway, So it's very short. I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to play now or briefly once I finish

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<v Speaker 1>wrapping this up, and then we'll get back to our

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<v Speaker 1>regular style podcasts soon tomorrow or something. But just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to put this idea out there, curious if anyone would

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<v Speaker 1>be interested. I mean, the idea is that they would

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<v Speaker 1>sort of be curated, you know, So there's all of

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<v Speaker 1>these public domain texts, and ninety percent of them are

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<v Speaker 1>just tedious. So the idea is I would try to

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<v Speaker 1>find the decent ones, ideally kind of on the short side,

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<v Speaker 1>like under one hundred pages, and we could record. We'd

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<v Speaker 1>make an ebook too for those who are interested, but

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<v Speaker 1>then we would record the audiobook and they'd go into

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<v Speaker 1>like a library, like a a Patristic early Church library,

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<v Speaker 1>but also other stuff, not necessarily just Christian stuff or

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<v Speaker 1>just Early Church stuff, just things that I think are

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<v Speaker 1>interesting and helpful, and some of them are pretty helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>The one I'm working on right now, I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>it's called the Ladder of Divine Assent, and it's thirty

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<v Speaker 1>rungs of a ladder, and the idea is that you're

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<v Speaker 1>sending this ladder towards, you know, on your journey to

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<v Speaker 1>be a son of God. I didn't realize how central

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<v Speaker 1>that was to Orthodoxy, and I think most Protestants would

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<v Speaker 1>sort of criticize that as gnostic, but it's it strikes

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<v Speaker 1>me as there are some key distinctions, you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>we can get into that on another episode. Well briefly. Briefly,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just tell you, like the thing about narcissism is

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<v Speaker 1>that they They believe that the physical is evil and

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<v Speaker 1>that the spiritual is good. And so therefore the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fallen being called the Demiurge that created this universe

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<v Speaker 1>is a imperfect being. He is flawed and his creation

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<v Speaker 1>is flawed, and it's sort of our job to escape.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird. What's weird, though, is most Gnostics consider themselves

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Gnostics, at least the early Gnostics did. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's less true today. But and so there is this

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<v Speaker 1>like positive attitude towards Jesus, but they tend to view

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<v Speaker 1>the God of the Old Testament as evil. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is supported by some early like theoretical ideas in the church,

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<v Speaker 1>like Marcianism, obviously gnosticism. Val what are they called Valentini's

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<v Speaker 1>there's all these guys who kind of are struck by

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<v Speaker 1>the difference between Jesus and some of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>being evil. And most of these things have pretty good rejoinders.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's the bear that attacks the bald the kids

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<v Speaker 1>who criticize him for being bald. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you know that story, but there's there's rejoinders for these

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<v Speaker 1>Like the Hebrew word they use for young kids actually

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<v Speaker 1>means like military age, like this is how soldiers are described,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not a kid, it's like forty kids. And

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<v Speaker 1>so this man, this prophet is being fronted by forty

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<v Speaker 1>men outside a city who worships a different God. And

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<v Speaker 1>the content and maybe that context means like that they're

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<v Speaker 1>basically it's a confrontation, and so God protecting his prophet

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<v Speaker 1>causes a bear to attack them. I don't know, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But the point is like there's rejoinders

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<v Speaker 1>for much of that stuff, but some stuff there really isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, some stuff it's like, man, that's rough, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So there were early Christians who saw this and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of drew this parallel between the God of the Old

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<v Speaker 1>Testament and then Jesus. Here's the problem though Jesus didn't

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<v Speaker 1>draw that that distinction. So so what I find is

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<v Speaker 1>that like often the insistence that Jesus is good and

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<v Speaker 1>the old God is bad, people really just say that,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this is kind of like a almost

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<v Speaker 1>as well. However, you know, the God of the Old

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<v Speaker 1>Testament is evil, and it's like, well, but Jesus said

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<v Speaker 1>of that prophecy. So you can't have it both ways,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my opinion. Of course, I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 1>truth is, right I'm just that is an internally inconsistent

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<v Speaker 1>So just something for you all to just be aware of.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm I'm all for exploring. It's just it's inconsistent.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's been explored as far as I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>I've explored it. It's internally inconsistent, and so in order

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<v Speaker 1>be a quote unquote Christian gnostic. So so that is not,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, what these books that I will be

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<v Speaker 1>God is. There's no inconsistencies, there's no hereticism. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Jesus is the God man. He is the

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<v Speaker 1>similarly ascend to improve ourselves in these very specific ways

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<v Speaker 1>which we will describe in the book, so that we

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<v Speaker 1>what God always wanted for us, because if you remember

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<v Speaker 1>for us to eat from the tree of life and

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps from the tree of good and evil, knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>New Testament. There's many places that you could many there's

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<v Speaker 1>many things that Jesus says that Gnostics use to support

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<v Speaker 1>the idea, like, you know, the Kingdom of God is

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. I think it's cool. I like ways

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<v Speaker 1>practices that all make sense to me. Like I like

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find coherent theories that sort of tie all

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<v Speaker 1>I like that in physics, I like that in neuroscience,

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<v Speaker 1>and I also like it in theology. So let me know,

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<v Speaker 1>what you think. Let me know if that's something you're

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<v Speaker 1>although I kind of suspect that would be boring, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred year old science books. But maybe not, maybe not,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we could read Tesla's autobiography or something. Anyway, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so God's I view book at gmail dot com. Until then,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy the first chapter of Theosis. God bless Theosis. The

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<v Speaker 1>true purpose of human life. The question of the destiny

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<v Speaker 1>of our lives is very serious, as it concerns the

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<v Speaker 1>most important question for man, for what purpose are we

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<v Speaker 1>placed on earth? If man takes a correct stance on

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<v Speaker 1>also fail in life's particular purposes. For what meaning can

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<v Speaker 1>has no meaning. Our life's purpose is declared in the

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<v Speaker 1>first chapter of the Holy Bible, when the Holy Author

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<v Speaker 1>tells us that God created Man and his image and likeness.

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<v Speaker 1>From this we discover the great love the Triune God

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<v Speaker 1>superiority over the rest of creation. He wishes him to

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<v Speaker 1>self awareness, and anything else which puts men above all

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<v Speaker 1>and Creator, so that he may have not only an

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<v Speaker 1>by grace. However, neither the Holy Bible nor the Church

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<v Speaker 1>Fathers have hidden this from us. Unfortunately, ignorance not only

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<v Speaker 1>for which are Maker and Creator molded man. What is

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<v Speaker 1>this purpose? Theosis? For man to be united with God,

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<v Speaker 1>orthodox anthropology that if we compare that with the anthropologies

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<v Speaker 1>will very easily find out how poor these are, how

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<v Speaker 1>little they correspond to man's great yearning for something very

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<v Speaker 1>great and true in his life. Since man is called

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<v Speaker 1>He feels that something is not going right, so he

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<v Speaker 1>which actually exists in his life, which is truly beautiful

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