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Speaker 1: the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. I've got the privilege
Speaker 1: of talking to mister Johnny Tucker today. He's a bigfoot
Speaker 1: researcher down there in North Carolina. How's it going, Nan,
Speaker 1: It's going good.
Speaker 2: I was kind of hoping for an early spring, but
Speaker 2: we're going through another cold snap at the moment, but
Speaker 2: I think he's going very well. Thank you for the
Speaker 2: invite on the podcast, Big Society, and congratulations on your success.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was happy that our mutual friend Miss
Speaker 1: Vee was able to make the connection. And it looks
Speaker 1: like you've got some really interesting things that will be
Speaker 1: will be looking into today. And you've got I've got
Speaker 1: a few sounds that you've recorded. Well, we'll listen to
Speaker 1: those further in the episode. But Johnny, what was it
Speaker 1: that got you first into this, this whole Bigfoot thing
Speaker 1: to begin with?
Speaker 2: Well, I'd have to I'd have to give credit to
Speaker 2: my parents because back back in the day, I was
Speaker 2: probably about seven years old and they took us to
Speaker 2: see one of the movies that came out I believe
Speaker 2: it was back in the seventies. It was one was
Speaker 2: called A Creature from Black Lake, and I believe the
Speaker 2: other one that came out up on the big screen
Speaker 2: was Sasquatched. And ever since then I was pretty much terrified.
Speaker 2: And but the whole allure of does Bigfoot exist? That
Speaker 2: that stuck with me throughout my my whole life basically,
Speaker 2: and then from ever since, you know, to the TV
Speaker 2: shows that came on Legend of Boggy Creek in Search
Speaker 2: of a Monster Quest, and then when YouTube and the
Speaker 2: Internet came out, just defining stories Bigfoot stories and encounters,
Speaker 2: it just pretty much just blew the doors wide open,
Speaker 2: So it's pretty much stuck with me my whole life.
Speaker 1: When was it that you first realized that all the
Speaker 1: stuff you've got going on down there in North Carolina?
Speaker 2: Well, it was a I always kind of thought that
Speaker 2: Bigfoot was out on the west coast for for some
Speaker 2: reason when I was growing up, because I grew up
Speaker 2: in a big city just north of Buffalo, New York,
Speaker 2: so I'm pretty much a city slicker, and we really
Speaker 2: didn't have we probably had to travel about two and
Speaker 2: a half hours down to the Alligating Mountains, which is
Speaker 2: down the Pennsylvania New York border for if any bigfoots
Speaker 2: were existed, that that would be the area. But got
Speaker 2: down there, so I pretty much thought it was west
Speaker 2: coast thing, maybe Smoky Mountains. I'm more toward the eastern
Speaker 2: part of North Carolina, about two and a half hours
Speaker 2: from the coast, so the mountains for me is a
Speaker 2: good four hour drive, so I kind of figured it
Speaker 2: would be more up toward the mountains. And it wasn't
Speaker 2: until an episode of Finding Bigfoot where they did some
Speaker 2: research and some investigating in the u National Forest, and
Speaker 2: you know the Ure National Forest, it's about a three
Speaker 2: hour drive for me, it's pretty much right in the
Speaker 2: center part of North Carolina. And then from from that,
Speaker 2: I just pretty much was doing some Google searching see
Speaker 2: if there's any kind of sightings or activity that it
Speaker 2: was closer to me, closer to the to the east coast,
Speaker 2: checking out the BFRORO website. There was a few reports
Speaker 2: up and around my county. I don't think a lot
Speaker 2: of people who have had big foot sightings or encounters
Speaker 2: their report to the BFRORO. Probably one for a couple
Speaker 2: of reasons. One, they probably don't know that the BFRO exists,
Speaker 2: and probably they just want to keep it more more
Speaker 2: more hush hush. And the BFRORO website. I was checking
Speaker 2: out a big foot mapping project. There's some sightings up
Speaker 2: around where I live, and I work with a guy
Speaker 2: who had some family land. It's about forty minutes from
Speaker 2: to my west and back in I believe it was
Speaker 2: about six years ago, maybe seven years ago. He had
Speaker 2: either posted up on Facebook or had commented on someone's
Speaker 2: Facebook post that he had seen a white sasquatch on
Speaker 2: his family's land. So that pretty much brought it even
Speaker 2: closer to me. And from there just doing some Google searching.
Speaker 2: There is a crypto Zoology and Paranormal Museum. It's about
Speaker 2: a half an hour forty minute drive from me and
Speaker 2: back in the all of twenty nineteen, they actually had
Speaker 2: a festival up in this state park. It's called Meetnock
Speaker 2: Mountain State Park. It's pretty much in a rural part
Speaker 2: of the state, forty five minutes drive from raleyh Rono Rapids,
Speaker 2: the big city, so it's out in a rural area.
Speaker 2: And I said, heck, I'll go up there and attend it,
Speaker 2: and met some great people, a lot of local people,
Speaker 2: a lot of local hikers, a lot of local folks
Speaker 2: up in the area that have either had encounters encounters
Speaker 2: meaning tree knocks, finding tree structures, sightings, finding footprints in
Speaker 2: and around the Meetnock Mountain area. And from what I
Speaker 2: took from listening to everybody and talking to a lot
Speaker 2: of folks is that it wasn't it's not just in
Speaker 2: the state park area. It's pretty much up in that
Speaker 2: part of North Carolina, northern part, northeastern part, Central Park.
Speaker 2: So that's what really got me into it, and it's
Speaker 2: I realized that maybe I don't have to go out
Speaker 2: to the west coast to encounter or to see if
Speaker 2: this bigfoot phenomenon exists, I can just go a little
Speaker 2: ways up the road. And that's pretty much what I did.
Speaker 2: I started hiking, doing a lot of hiking and experiencing
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff out that way, and for sure
Speaker 2: it is real.
Speaker 1: Was there a certain event that really, you know, pushed
Speaker 1: you over the edge as you were starting to go
Speaker 1: through your research, something that was like, wow, okay, there
Speaker 1: is no question that what I'm dealing with is right
Speaker 1: out there right now.
Speaker 2: There was. I started the way that my work schedule was.
Speaker 2: I had my day's offer during the week and pretty
Speaker 2: much in the afternoon. So being a rural park, there's
Speaker 2: really not a lot of people. You get a good
Speaker 2: weekend crowd up there, but during the week it's really
Speaker 2: there's hardly anybody up there. So the first time I
Speaker 2: went hiking was October that year, and I had a
Speaker 2: little tire thumper in my car and sparked up in
Speaker 2: the parking lot. There's nobody around, and I started to
Speaker 2: do just a couple of tree knocks. I really didn't
Speaker 2: know what I was doing. The one trail that I
Speaker 2: went down, it kind of goes downstream. It's about a
Speaker 2: time and a walk down to the creek. So about
Speaker 2: halfway down the trail, I didn't know the tree knock
Speaker 2: and just kind of just ran stealth or just ran
Speaker 2: quiet and made it down to the creek. And the
Speaker 2: atmosphere that day it was like super hot, if even
Speaker 2: before October it was super hot. It was just dead quiet,
Speaker 2: really nothing ruin. And here comes a tree knock back
Speaker 2: from the other side of the creek up one of
Speaker 2: the bluffs. I mean, just as crystal clear as you
Speaker 2: can think. It sounded like it probably sounded like a
Speaker 2: pine tree something hitting a pine tree, but just clear
Speaker 2: as day. The second time went out hiking was a
Speaker 2: week later and one afternoon, started at about two thirty
Speaker 2: and took a different trail that went upstream, this time
Speaker 2: a little longer of a loop. It's probably about a
Speaker 2: two and a half mile hike. And I got to
Speaker 2: about halfway on the trail and it kind of loops back.
Speaker 2: You're going to come back through a very tight, narrow
Speaker 2: section of woods and then eventually out to a field
Speaker 2: where the parking lot is. So I noticed that there
Speaker 2: was a couple of X structures back in the woods,
Speaker 2: and there's also some tree breaks back there. But for
Speaker 2: some reason, when I made that turn and just about
Speaker 2: the head back in, there was just a super super
Speaker 2: feeling of something watching us, just in anxiety. It was
Speaker 2: kind of like my sixth sense just kicked in overdrive.
Speaker 2: Really never experienced anything like that before. And I was
Speaker 2: really deciding whether or not to keep on going or
Speaker 2: to go back the long way. And at that time,
Speaker 2: it was probably about four o'clock in the afternoon. It
Speaker 2: was mid October, so the sun was coming down below
Speaker 2: the tree line, so we were starting to get dark.
Speaker 2: So I kind of sucked it up, started going down
Speaker 2: the trail where the trees both sides of the tree
Speaker 2: lines kind of enclosed in a little bit, did one
Speaker 2: more tree knock, and then ran silent out there. But
Speaker 2: in the meantime, there was being up in this area.
Speaker 2: There's there's a lot of hunters and they hunt with dogs,
Speaker 2: so a lot of times that the dogs they don't
Speaker 2: come back, they'd get lost in the woods unfortunately. But
Speaker 2: there was this dog that was somewheers, not close to me,
Speaker 2: but somewhere back in the woods, and it started barking
Speaker 2: just randomly, nothing to be alarmed about. So I say
Speaker 2: I was probably about fifty yards if if not even
Speaker 2: closer to coming out into this smetal into this field.
Speaker 2: The dog was still behind me, back somewhere in the woods,
Speaker 2: but it was barking even more. I had stopped all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, back where I was not directly back
Speaker 2: behind me, but back in the area that I was,
Speaker 2: comes this super loud, super it was a low yell.
Speaker 2: It was basically like a super powerful yell back there,
Speaker 2: and it was it was a person couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: It was just like super strong. I mean like it
Speaker 2: echoes throughout the whole woods and the dogs shut right up.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it was if the yell
Speaker 2: was directed toward the dog or directed toward me coming
Speaker 2: through the area. So I made it out. I went
Speaker 2: to my car. It was about four thirty by that time,
Speaker 2: and in my car, and there was two other cars
Speaker 2: in the parking lot, so I was like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna sit here and just just in case somebody,
Speaker 2: just in case if somebody was behind me just like
Speaker 2: screwing around, They're gonna come out and I'll be able
Speaker 2: to see if there was anybody back there. But two
Speaker 2: cars in parking lot, they were up in the pavilion
Speaker 2: area using the restroom. They came out and they left.
Speaker 2: I sat in my car and I was just like Wow,
Speaker 2: went home, got on YouTube, googled everything, black bear, black
Speaker 2: bear sounds, yelled black bears everything, and it did not
Speaker 2: even come close. It was like like an unbearished yell.
Speaker 2: It was a short yell. I would describe it as
Speaker 2: if if a person was trying to scare somebody and
Speaker 2: they were say, if a person was hiding behind something
Speaker 2: and then their friend comes up and then they go raw,
Speaker 2: And that's that's really how it was. But it was
Speaker 2: so so powerful. December of that year, just a few
Speaker 2: months later, there's a service road that and that's a
Speaker 2: really small parking lot and you can access the back
Speaker 2: trails just going it's probably about an eight minute walk
Speaker 2: down the service road. And had stopped there one afternoon
Speaker 2: in December. I was just going to take a quick
Speaker 2: walk right down to the bridge that leads back up
Speaker 2: to the service trails. And there's actually a creek that
Speaker 2: runs the whole length of the park. So there's there's
Speaker 2: a bridge and you go over the creek and then
Speaker 2: you go up to the back trails. So I was
Speaker 2: probably about maybe about thirty yards fifty yards from the
Speaker 2: parking lot, had stopped on the service road turns to
Speaker 2: the tree line, and I was trying to get my
Speaker 2: cell phone up and running, and just directly where I
Speaker 2: had stopped, you're going to have a lot of small brushes,
Speaker 2: a lot of dead briers, and then probably back maybe
Speaker 2: fifty yards, if not even fifty yards, you're going to
Speaker 2: have a taller section of pine trees, the taller pines.
Speaker 2: But back behind the pine trees, here comes this super
Speaker 2: loud howl and it was short. It probably lasted about
Speaker 2: three or four seconds. And described it as if you
Speaker 2: watch Finding Bigfoot with Matt Moneymaker, he does this this
Speaker 2: this howl. It's probably about the three or four seconds
Speaker 2: of his howl that that's how loud it was, and
Speaker 2: hurt something walking back there, just stop being kind of
Speaker 2: pacing back and forth. There the leaf litter December, it's
Speaker 2: like super thick, super dry, and I just like froze
Speaker 2: on my track. So I was like, wow, I really
Speaker 2: didn't know what to do. So I basically just like
Speaker 2: howled back at it just to see what would what
Speaker 2: it would do to come if it was going to
Speaker 2: come at me. Or if it was just going to
Speaker 2: stay back there. But I went back in the air
Speaker 2: the next day, had a friend of mine and just
Speaker 2: trying to debunk it. Just had my friend go down
Speaker 2: go down the service road to where the trail head
Speaker 2: was and just like yell as loud as you could
Speaker 2: also over into the parking lot just to yell as
Speaker 2: loud as you could and it was like nothing, just
Speaker 2: nothing compared to the powerful uh how that was. It
Speaker 2: took me about a month to get enough nerves to
Speaker 2: go back there, just to check out what the area
Speaker 2: looked like. But when I did, just before you get
Speaker 2: into the pines, the pine barrier, there was a small
Speaker 2: X structure. It wasn't huge, It probably came up to
Speaker 2: my chest. And there was also a tree break back there.
Speaker 2: And the tree breaks that we find around here, they're
Speaker 2: usually between six and seven feet, so there's an X
Speaker 2: structure tree break. So Ever, since then, you know, I
Speaker 2: was pretty much new to it. I bought this audio
Speaker 2: recorder and I carried it up on my backpack everywhere
Speaker 2: I went to just just to cry to document just
Speaker 2: in case something like this happens again. So it wasn't
Speaker 2: until March of the following year twenty twenty, we had
Speaker 2: a pretty a pretty mild winter that year, and I
Speaker 2: wanted to test to see I've heard people leaving audio
Speaker 2: recorders outside overnight, and I pretty much just wanted to
Speaker 2: test and see what the battery capacity would be and
Speaker 2: how much memory would be to run overnight. So I
Speaker 2: went down to a remote part of the creek and
Speaker 2: left left the recorder up in just like a little
Speaker 2: notch of the tree, and came back the next morning
Speaker 2: and picked it up and just listening to the audio
Speaker 2: for that night.
Speaker 1: Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: It was nothing special. It was just just normal, you know,
Speaker 2: being being in mar It was still pretty quiet. So
Speaker 2: a little bit of crickets, a little bit of this,
Speaker 2: not even a little bit of deer running around, because
Speaker 2: you can tell when a deer dog walks, walks through
Speaker 2: the brush. It's kind of like peg leggy type. At
Speaker 2: two thirty in the morning, something starts to walk. You
Speaker 2: can you can hear it walks. It's in the distance
Speaker 2: and it walks at a It wasn't a run. It
Speaker 2: was more like a quick walk, not a fast walk,
Speaker 2: but a quick walk. It starts off walks right past
Speaker 2: the area that I had the recorder set up. Now,
Speaker 2: this is down by one of the areas of the creek,
Speaker 2: and at the time there was a there was a
Speaker 2: down tree there. So you hear this thing walking, it's
Speaker 2: coming closer, it's combing closer. You hear it step over
Speaker 2: the tree, and when it does the step over, it
Speaker 2: sounds like a two legged step over. It goes a
Speaker 2: little bit past, and it settles down in the area
Speaker 2: for a couple hours. You can hear it shuffling in
Speaker 2: the leaves. You can hear it kind of shifting its weight. Now,
Speaker 2: four o'clock in the morning, it does a tree knock.
Speaker 2: Four forty five in the morning, it does a second
Speaker 2: tree knock, and then you can hear it leaving the area,
Speaker 2: shuffling off into the area. And it wasn't like a
Speaker 2: real big blast. I call them power knocks of like
Speaker 2: if you get a baseball bat and just hit a
Speaker 2: tree as hard as you could. It was. It sounded
Speaker 2: like it had either a stick or a club and
Speaker 2: it just like casually just like hit the tree. But
Speaker 2: ever since then, that was pretty much my eye opener.
Speaker 2: Listening to that audio was my eye opener. Because you
Speaker 2: can argue, you know, the footsteps coming through and I
Speaker 2: think it took something like about fifty seconds till when
Speaker 2: you first hear when you first hear it, walking to
Speaker 2: where its settled in, the whole timeframe was about fifty seconds,
Speaker 2: and you can kind of argue that you know, two legged,
Speaker 2: four legged, but if you when you're throwing the tree knocks.
Speaker 2: After that, that was pretty much my eye opener moment.
Speaker 2: And from that point on I was one hundred percent committed.
Speaker 2: And the most important thing about that audio clip is
Speaker 2: that it did not circle back and come back where
Speaker 2: it came from. It kept on going, and so I
Speaker 2: basically just kept on going with doing audio, leaving audio
Speaker 2: recorders up probably about a quarter mile up searching that
Speaker 2: area rually really well it's its root and right knox
Speaker 2: to the creek, and just trying to develop some patterns,
Speaker 2: you know, over the next five years, coming across footprints
Speaker 2: up up in the creek beds, finding tree breaks, finding
Speaker 2: tree structures, and basically just hoping to come across one
Speaker 2: of these creatures one day. But that audio that night,
Speaker 2: between the walk by and adding in the tree knocks,
Speaker 2: that that was my eye opener moment.
Speaker 1: Should we try to place some of that audio right now?
Speaker 1: I'm just going to go through how you sent them
Speaker 1: over to me here. Okay, So I think we first
Speaker 1: we start out with a few tree knocks. So let's
Speaker 1: let's play those.
Speaker 2: I can get. I can give you some times and
Speaker 2: dates on those if if you'd like, absolutely we had
Speaker 2: to go through the list. That first one, that big
Speaker 2: power knock where hits the tree twice and the tree falls.
Speaker 2: That was in June of twenty twenty one. That was
Speaker 2: two fifteen in the morning. That second one, that close
Speaker 2: by one, that was just last October, the October of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and that was four forty five in
Speaker 2: the morning. That was that was pretty close.
Speaker 1: I want to I'm going to play the second one again.
Speaker 1: It just it sounds really interesting.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Do you think that was hit on something? Would or
Speaker 1: or what? Do you think?
Speaker 2: You know? I'm glad you asked that that. There's there's
Speaker 2: tree knocks that I've heard in person before, and there's
Speaker 2: three knocks that have gotten on audio recorded that you
Speaker 2: can definitely tell that it is a stick or branch
Speaker 2: hitting a tree. It's just that would knock tone tone
Speaker 2: to it. And sometimes when that happens, if if you
Speaker 2: ever hit if you ever go out in the woods
Speaker 2: and you find a you know, like a four foot
Speaker 2: or a four three foot branch and hitting it as
Speaker 2: a tree, but the top part might break off. In
Speaker 2: some audio recordings that I've gotten, it's it's definitely a
Speaker 2: tree would hitting a tree, and then sometimes you can
Speaker 2: hear that part kind of break off. Now that recording there,
Speaker 2: I've heard in person before, and I've also got this.
Speaker 4: Same tone way back out in the woods probably I
Speaker 4: think it was in twenty twenty three, but it's that
Speaker 4: same tone, but it does have kind of like a
Speaker 4: metallic kind of kind of undertone to it.
Speaker 2: So really not sure. But but to back it up,
Speaker 2: I've heard that before. I've I've had friends out there
Speaker 2: that has heard that tone before, and I picked up
Speaker 2: that tone also back out in a different, even even
Speaker 2: more remote area.
Speaker 1: So let's continue here. Next step, we've got it, says
Speaker 1: knock in a whistle from twenty two. I'm going to
Speaker 1: try these here. That first one really has a baseball
Speaker 1: bat type quality to it.
Speaker 2: That was back in descent. It was actually December twenty ninth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and that was caught. I think it
Speaker 2: was nine to fifteen PM, and that was in the
Speaker 2: same area that my first audio recording or the thing
Speaker 2: walked and then did did the two tree knocks, that
Speaker 2: was right in that same area. So yeah, it actually
Speaker 2: sounds like maybe it hit a tree and some dead
Speaker 2: leaves from the tree came down and fell, and then
Speaker 2: that whistle, same recorder, same location, forty five minutes later,
Speaker 2: was was the whistle?
Speaker 1: What's the What type of recorder are you using?
Speaker 2: I used a little Sony. It's nothing really spectacular. I
Speaker 2: think it probably you can probably pick one up for
Speaker 2: about sixty five bucks. I don't I don't have the
Speaker 2: item number. It's just it's just a little rectangle shape
Speaker 2: sony recorder. I usually put it in a if you
Speaker 2: go to the eye doctor, he might give you like
Speaker 2: a cloth sleeve. I just slip slipper rickon sleeve and
Speaker 2: sometimes I run an external microphone. But just yeah, just
Speaker 2: just a little Sony. It's it's really not hard to
Speaker 2: pick up at the store Amazon.
Speaker 1: Interesting. These are These are really good. I'm going to
Speaker 1: continue here. This one's a little bit longer. Maybe some whoops,
Speaker 1: we'll see what we got here. Oh, you're still there. Nope, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, let's call him back real quick. Sure, got hey,
Speaker 1: no problem happens all the time for some reason or another. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm used to it, all right, So I think these
Speaker 1: this next one is a little bit longer. I just
Speaker 1: want to make sure. Okay, audio is still coming through. Good.
Speaker 1: So let's play this guy here.
Speaker 3: Houck house. What's up?
Speaker 2: What fu?
Speaker 3: Hos f.
Speaker 2: W co.
Speaker 3: Relation this?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 3: You didn't?
Speaker 1: So that was really interesting? What did we have going
Speaker 1: on there?
Speaker 2: Okay? That was that was recorded in an area which
Speaker 2: I believe that there was a juvenile land for a
Speaker 2: couple of years, just kind of like hanging out. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's back there now because a lot of
Speaker 2: the activity back in that area is kind of decreased. Well,
Speaker 2: the backstory on that is, back in twenty twenty, we
Speaker 2: found some footprints along that one service road that I
Speaker 2: was talking about. It was it rained the night before
Speaker 2: and now I was out there with about three other
Speaker 2: people came across some footprints. It appeared that it was
Speaker 2: walking along the service road. It had stepped in the
Speaker 2: service road with its right foot, went down to the creek,
Speaker 2: had a slipprint down to the creek and then it
Speaker 2: came back up the same way it had stepped on
Speaker 2: with another part of the service road, whereas you can
Speaker 2: able to see the footprint with its left foot. The
Speaker 2: measurements of the footprint were twelve and a half It
Speaker 2: was five and a half inches wide. So the summer
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two when that was recorded, it was
Speaker 2: a real dry year here and the creek not a
Speaker 2: lot of water in the creek, so there's a lot
Speaker 2: of exposed creek beds, and over the summer, I was
Speaker 2: noticing that same size footprint up in a couple different
Speaker 2: areas of the creek bed. Not anywhees near the trails,
Speaker 2: and it appeared like it came down off of one
Speaker 2: of the bluffs and it had stepped in going down
Speaker 2: to the creek. So I was going to meet a
Speaker 2: friend of mine. This is going back. I think it
Speaker 2: was in It may be in August. Yeah, August of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. We had got a campsite there, and
Speaker 2: we usually do is hit a campsite and then we'll
Speaker 2: head out in the trails, head out in the woods
Speaker 2: with thermal equipment trying to see if we can see anything.
Speaker 2: So I had got there. I think it was about
Speaker 2: five point thirty. I went down to the creek and
Speaker 2: I think I was probably about fifty feet from the
Speaker 2: edge of the creek, and there's there's there's not a
Speaker 2: not a soul around, not a carner parking lot, and
Speaker 2: on the other side of the creek. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it sounds like someone took a baseball bat and just
Speaker 2: hits a tree. The tree starts to break. Can hear
Speaker 2: the fibers in the in the tree cracking. The tree
Speaker 2: did not fall. I pretty much went downstream, hooked the
Speaker 2: audio recorder up back up in the woods, came back upstream,
Speaker 2: got my hip waiters on, went down into the into
Speaker 2: the creek to try to find some prince. All when
Speaker 2: this is happening, you can literally hear something back up.
Speaker 2: It's it wasn't close up, but it was back aways,
Speaker 2: just going through the dry leafletter, just pacing back and forth.
Speaker 2: When with a friend of mine got there, I was
Speaker 2: still up, still down into the creek looking for prince.
Speaker 2: He was up on top the probably about an eight
Speaker 2: foot bank, you know, from from the bottom up to
Speaker 2: your first level, and he livery said, Johnny, there's something
Speaker 2: back there walking. It was just walk pacing back and forth.
Speaker 2: You can hear the occasional branch break. We left the area.
Speaker 2: There was a tree knock thirty minutes after we left
Speaker 2: the area. That recording there happened at midnight. Now that area,
Speaker 2: like I said, I believe was a juvenile was hanging
Speaker 2: back out there. Evidence wise, I found a couple of
Speaker 2: eight inch footprints back now this is going back twenty
Speaker 2: twenty and recently last year found some nine inch footprints
Speaker 2: down into the creek bed and also at the bottom
Speaker 2: of like like a mud patch, and possibly as possibly
Speaker 2: that could have been the juvenile either mimicking or calling
Speaker 2: an owl, because the owl at the end pretty much
Speaker 2: answers it. I've been doing this for five years. I've
Speaker 2: never heard that before. Absolutely never heard that before. And
Speaker 2: that last tree knock that was the same location, the
Speaker 2: same reporter, that was at six fifty in the morning.
Speaker 2: That was when that tree not happened.
Speaker 1: Some wild stuff. Do you ever hear owls out there
Speaker 1: that sound like extremely large? Do you ever run into
Speaker 1: that at all?
Speaker 2: Not often? I mean, here are a lot of owls
Speaker 2: out there, maybe here one that's deeper tone than others,
Speaker 2: But nothing that would really stand out.
Speaker 1: Though, gotcha. Well, we've just got a few more sounds
Speaker 1: to go through. I'd say, let's go right through them here.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure we get them all. So
Speaker 1: let's see. Next one's about thirty four seconds. I'm going
Speaker 1: to play that here. We've got two different whoop styles
Speaker 1: in that one.
Speaker 2: That was That was March of last year, Big.
Speaker 1: For Society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: And I had two recorders set up. They were about
Speaker 2: three hundred yards apart. I think it had been about
Speaker 2: like ten pm at night. That higher pitch whoop that
Speaker 2: kept the higher pitch one that just kept on going.
Speaker 2: I think that that was the juvenile. It was either
Speaker 2: back up on the blow for back up up up
Speaker 2: in the up in the forest. But at the end
Speaker 2: of that clip, I don't know, I don't know how
Speaker 2: how clear it came out, but there was a response
Speaker 2: in an adult one whooping back at it. And I
Speaker 2: think the next the next audio reporter or next audio
Speaker 2: clip I sent you was actually the adult doing a whoop.
Speaker 1: All right, let's see here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 1: I do that a few more times here. M Oh,
Speaker 1: that's wild. Oh man, if I I've never heard anything
Speaker 1: like that out in the woods. Well, I mean I've
Speaker 1: heard a roar, scream, but no, no, like like this is.
Speaker 1: This is a pretty interesting whoop that you've been capturing here.
Speaker 1: And man, I don't know how I would how I
Speaker 1: would deal with that. That would be pretty cool. It
Speaker 1: almost makes you think you're at the zoo for a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like I said that, I had the recorders
Speaker 2: about three hundred yards away, the small one if the
Speaker 2: higher pitch woops, it came louder. The one record I
Speaker 2: head upstream, the adult woop if you want to call
Speaker 2: it that. Both recorders the three hundred yards away picked
Speaker 2: it up. So it was either between the two recorders
Speaker 2: or I could have been back up on one of
Speaker 2: the bluffs. But both recorders picked them up. And I
Speaker 2: think that last one with the whoop, that was in
Speaker 2: a different location. It's probably about a mile and a
Speaker 2: half away, and that was in November of last year.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see we got another wop here. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and play that. That's fantastic, Holy macrel.
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, have you ever looked at these in audacity?
Speaker 1: Or anything. I don't know if you're familiar with how.
Speaker 2: To do that. I'm kind of like a beginner on
Speaker 2: the audacity. Okay, so I kind of played around with
Speaker 2: it a little bit, but I for sure have not
Speaker 2: mastered it. I have not mastered it at all.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead, do the last one here. Holy shit, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is so cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I used to work midnight shift a lot, and
Speaker 2: I would come off midnight shift. I'd go up to
Speaker 2: this small parking lot up up where I go. I
Speaker 2: get up there first thing in the morning, eight o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning, and you'd be the only one out there.
Speaker 2: And it's a short walk down to the creek, like
Speaker 2: I said about, probably about eight ten minute walk, but
Speaker 2: three or four, especially in the summertime. Three or four
Speaker 2: times you get there, get out of the car, you
Speaker 2: pop your trunk open, you'll hear this crisp tree knock
Speaker 2: coming back in the woods, just as crystal clear as possible. Now,
Speaker 2: I was going there for three I was hooked. I
Speaker 2: was going there for like three or four days a week.
Speaker 2: So I had figured maybe they had recognized me from
Speaker 2: coming into the area, and maybe they were giving me
Speaker 2: like a low knock. But I had talked to this
Speaker 2: other big foot researchers got many many years over me,
Speaker 2: and they suggested that they're doing a knock just to
Speaker 2: warn if there's another one in the area that there's
Speaker 2: a human coming in. That's why they do that single knock. Interesting,
Speaker 2: but that audio click there went down to the creek,
Speaker 2: I didn't have any of my equipment with me. I
Speaker 2: was basically just got off for work one up there.
Speaker 2: I wanted to go down take a look in the
Speaker 2: creek bed just just to see if anything was stepping
Speaker 2: out that night. And I didn't even have a tree
Speaker 2: knocker with me, and I usually get to one part
Speaker 2: of the creek and I might hear a knock come
Speaker 2: up on the other side, back up in the woods.
Speaker 2: So went down there and didn't hear anything. So I
Speaker 2: started to go downstream, and as soon as I started
Speaker 2: going downstream, there was a knock other side of the creek.
Speaker 2: I'd have to see maybe one hundred and fifty maybe
Speaker 2: about one hundred yards down it knocked. So the only
Speaker 2: thing I had to do was I was just doing
Speaker 2: like the cheek pops, So I was cheek popping. We
Speaker 2: kind of passed each other. We were kind of parallel,
Speaker 2: did the cheek pop, it knocked back. I went down
Speaker 2: to where it was initially it was back up where
Speaker 2: I was, and it did it again. Then I came
Speaker 2: back up and just sat on the creek bed and
Speaker 2: just on hopes. I had a little pair of just
Speaker 2: on hopes that maybe I could see something. Maybe. I mean,
Speaker 2: it hit is so thick out there in the summertime,
Speaker 2: but that one there was the last pop. I was
Speaker 2: doing the cheek pop and then you hear the hawks squawking,
Speaker 2: and then it knocked back on one of the bigger
Speaker 2: trees back up on one of the bluffs there.
Speaker 1: Is that the I mean, if that happened to me,
Speaker 1: it would feel like there's a communication going back and forth.
Speaker 1: Have you experienced anything else like that in that area before,
Speaker 1: or is that a pretty rare occurrence?
Speaker 2: That was probably the best one. The only other thing
Speaker 2: that I've experienced is just when you're in the area,
Speaker 2: you'll hear a tree knock. It could be close up
Speaker 2: in the woods, it could be other side of the creek,
Speaker 2: up on the one of the bluffs. Never had any
Speaker 2: kind of other interaction. I thought for sure that day
Speaker 2: there that one was going to come up and like
Speaker 2: look over and check me out or something. But that
Speaker 2: was pretty much just just cheep popping back and forth
Speaker 2: with that thing. That was probably the most interesting interaction. Now.
Speaker 2: I was there summer of twenty twenty three. We had
Speaker 2: a big storm comes through the area and got up
Speaker 2: there one morning and I wanted to check to see
Speaker 2: if there was any footprints up on the trails. So
Speaker 2: pulled into the parking lot and at the time, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's a small parking lot, probably fifteen twenty cars
Speaker 2: probably probably parked there. You'd be maxed out. But at
Speaker 2: the beginning at the front end of the parking lot
Speaker 2: there was a state truck and there was also a
Speaker 2: guy in a caboda and he had a chainsaw on
Speaker 2: the back, so they were kind of like talking back
Speaker 2: and forth. So I was under the assumption that he's
Speaker 2: probably going to go and do some trailer maintenance after
Speaker 2: the storm. And the koboda was running, so it's got
Speaker 2: a loud engine. So I parked back as far as
Speaker 2: I could, right against the tree line, started getting my
Speaker 2: stuff out, open up my trunk, and here comes a
Speaker 2: knock in the woods or back where I was it
Speaker 2: was louded. I mean, actually it actually sounded like it
Speaker 2: hit a branch first and then it hit the tree.
Speaker 2: So I immediately like looked at them. I'm like, do
Speaker 2: you guys not hear that or not? But the sound
Speaker 2: of the the engine and a koboda was just like drowning,
Speaker 2: drowning it out to them. I went up to the
Speaker 2: tree line. I had my thermal and where that location is.
Speaker 2: You're up on a parking lot and it kind of
Speaker 2: like it's a gradual slope down to the creek. Didn't
Speaker 2: see anything on thermal. I went back. I actually and
Speaker 2: I yelled, and I yelled into the trees. I said,
Speaker 2: where are you at? And then I heard a grunt
Speaker 2: of a pause and then a low growl, So it
Speaker 2: was a grunt pause, low growl. Back went back to
Speaker 2: my car, started getting all my gear up and ready
Speaker 2: to roll. By that time, the guy in the caboda
Speaker 2: was right at the trailhead and going down one of
Speaker 2: the trails. And then another tree dock comes back, but
Speaker 2: this time it was more toward the right and more
Speaker 2: toward back. More so I'm thinking that there was one
Speaker 2: out there that morning. The guy in the Koboda's scooped them.
Speaker 2: So that that's that's that's a pretty good area in
Speaker 2: the mornings.
Speaker 1: That's wild. Do you have a recording at all of
Speaker 1: of the that grunt interaction?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I I had popped my trunk
Speaker 2: open and was just trying to get off all my
Speaker 2: my gear and then I heard the knock, went over
Speaker 2: there with my thermal. I didn't even have my record
Speaker 2: or anything going.
Speaker 1: So this this reminds me of something I've heard from
Speaker 1: the Olympic Project guys Chris Spencer. So what they say,
Speaker 1: and they've they've said this a few different times, and
Speaker 1: I try to keep it in mind when I go
Speaker 1: out is a lot of the stuff that they get
Speaker 1: is right when they get out of the car is
Speaker 1: there's a lot of it's almost like hey, he's they're back,
Speaker 1: you know. And so usually they have they'll have something
Speaker 1: run and like on their head, which would you know,
Speaker 1: just to make sure they catch it. But that's wild.
Speaker 1: I used to do a call in show and I
Speaker 1: would have all sorts of people call in to talk,
Speaker 1: and I had this old timer callin from North Carolina
Speaker 1: wants talking about how he would go out in the
Speaker 1: US and have some really interesting interactions. And it was
Speaker 1: to the fact where he was even having conversations with
Speaker 1: your I don't know what you would call him down there,
Speaker 1: if you have, like park rangers or for forestry workers
Speaker 1: or whatever they would be called, but it sounded like
Speaker 1: from the way that this old timer was talking is
Speaker 1: that they are well aware of the different types of
Speaker 1: bigfoot that are down there, how they act, what they're like,
Speaker 1: and they're just very, very familiar with them. Have you
Speaker 1: ever picked up on anything like that or had any
Speaker 1: conversations yourself?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, had I'm well, this really wasn't a I
Speaker 2: met they were doing a control burn up here a
Speaker 2: couple years ago in twenty twenty three and ran into
Speaker 2: want to be a forest somebody that works for the
Speaker 2: forest Apartment, But he basically said be careful, and I
Speaker 2: told him I pretty much knew what's out here. We
Speaker 2: had conversations with the park rangers. They said that they
Speaker 2: cannot say that they exist because it's in it's not
Speaker 2: a proven species, but they're not Let's see how I
Speaker 2: want to say this. I think they know, they pretty
Speaker 2: much act like they know they but they're there. They
Speaker 2: just cannot come out and say it's there because it's
Speaker 2: it's not a proven species. And I think it's got
Speaker 2: a lot to do with public opinion. I mean, if
Speaker 2: they say, you know, big foot's running through the park here,
Speaker 2: you know, there's probably not going to be it's probably
Speaker 2: going to slow down travel in there. But I my
Speaker 2: f from when I can get I think that they know,
Speaker 2: but they just cannot come out and say this is
Speaker 2: what's going on.
Speaker 1: Wow. So you've actually had those conversations with people in
Speaker 1: the park.
Speaker 2: They're they're actually very comfortable talking to us about it.
Speaker 2: I mean we talk and they listen, and they don't,
Speaker 2: you know, shoe us off and say, hey, you're you're
Speaker 2: crazy to get out of here. They're very they're very
Speaker 2: open to it conversation wise.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I know that's the case with places like
Speaker 1: Saltfolk State Park up in Ohio, but I was not
Speaker 1: really aware that it's also the same case down down
Speaker 1: there in North Carolina. And are you a type of
Speaker 1: guy that you have like big footstickers on your truck
Speaker 1: or it just it's just naturally Okay, Yeah, yeah, I gotcha.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got a couple of big footstickers on
Speaker 2: my car. Yeah. I think also it depends on where
Speaker 2: you go to I mean where I go, they might
Speaker 2: be more open to talk about it or not talk
Speaker 2: about it, but like accepted. But if you go, you know,
Speaker 2: other places in the state, they might be more defensive
Speaker 2: about it. I guess we got a good group up
Speaker 2: this way.
Speaker 1: That's that's good. Are there a lot of visuals that
Speaker 1: are reported from that area ever?
Speaker 2: Actually, one gentleman, his name is Stephen Barcelo, who runs
Speaker 2: the Cryptozoology per Normal Museum. He's got some thermal footage
Speaker 2: that he's gotten up one I think it was back
Speaker 2: in fall of I think it was fall of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: There was a three day camp out. I was there
Speaker 2: for the first For the first day we kind of
Speaker 2: like split up into two groups. The group that I
Speaker 2: was with kind of took took the high way or
Speaker 2: took the high road up the bluffs, and the group
Speaker 2: that Steven was with they kind of like went around
Speaker 2: and stayed down by the creek and they were hearing
Speaker 2: some stuff the night that I was there. The second
Speaker 2: night I had to go do some I had to
Speaker 2: split so I wasn't there and it was a smaller group.
Speaker 2: Steve Stephen and the guy that he was with went
Speaker 2: back down to the area that the the arey and
Speaker 2: that they were hearing some stuff on the night before,
Speaker 2: and from what happened, a few guys went down to
Speaker 2: the bottom of the bluff. They were making a bunch
Speaker 2: of noise that either know, they're either talking or playing
Speaker 2: some some instruments. Uh. The one one guy likes to
Speaker 2: go out there and play Native American music. I guess
Speaker 2: Steve Stephen hung back and he was the only one
Speaker 2: with the thermal at that time, and something had come
Speaker 2: up the bluff and was checking out the guys down below.
Speaker 2: And he's got I think he's got like three pictures
Speaker 2: of it. One of it is standing between two trees,
Speaker 2: is kind of like out in the distance a little bit.
Speaker 2: One of them is either either kneeling down in high
Speaker 2: brush or in high brush. But he's got a really
Speaker 2: really good picture of a side profile walking and it's
Speaker 2: it's like a million dollar picture. But yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: pictures that we've gotten out of there.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I met Steven a few years ago. He's
Speaker 1: a great guy. I believe it was done in Lexington,
Speaker 1: Kentucky at one of the cryptic con conferences Big for
Speaker 1: Society will be right back after these messages. So I
Speaker 1: need to reach out to him. And I've never actually
Speaker 1: chatted with him on the show, I think, so we'll
Speaker 1: have to make that happen.
Speaker 2: Did he show you his strong picture?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think. I don't think. Man, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. It's been a few years. I think
Speaker 1: I would remember something like that really well. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to say I don't think so.
Speaker 2: But there was.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was one of those things where it
Speaker 1: was like twenty people hanging out in the bar and
Speaker 1: there was everyone from Alex Pettakov to Eli Watson and
Speaker 1: Mark Marcel and Seth Breedlove and all these all these
Speaker 1: people all around you, Tim Hallery, and I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: going to miss some people. But it was it was
Speaker 1: one of those fun conversations that is hard to ever
Speaker 1: have again.
Speaker 2: Sure true.
Speaker 1: Let's say a person comes up to you and is like, yes, Johnny,
Speaker 1: if I want to go out and I want to
Speaker 1: try to have an interaction with a bigfoot in this area,
Speaker 1: how do you recommend that I'd do it? What's the
Speaker 1: stuff that I need to try?
Speaker 2: Probably I would say do your big foot one on
Speaker 2: one first, and kind of either go up on YouTube
Speaker 2: and just familiar eyes yourself, what a tree knock sounds like.
Speaker 2: You have the difference between a tree knock and a
Speaker 2: woodpecker and up up this area gunshots. Just know the difference.
Speaker 2: Not everything's a bigfoot out there. Do your do your
Speaker 2: research on what animals are actually in the area, just
Speaker 2: just to have a basic knowledge. And I would say
Speaker 2: just basically just go out with just like I do,
Speaker 2: just an open mind and a level head, and don't
Speaker 2: be aggressive. I mean, just go out by yourself, nice
Speaker 2: and quiet and just to see what happens. Just just
Speaker 2: just just to just to have good, good intentions. I
Speaker 2: would recommend.
Speaker 1: I think that's extremely important. You brought that up. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you did that. There's a few people that might
Speaker 1: hear that and be like, oh, I think that's crazy,
Speaker 1: and I have to say that it's not. And I'm
Speaker 1: on board with you, Johnny that it is. A lot
Speaker 1: of it has to do with how your intentions are.
Speaker 1: You have these the things happen in the woods, you're
Speaker 1: going out to them. Do things ever follow you back
Speaker 1: to your home after you're done with these expeditions.
Speaker 2: I've heard I live kind of like in the city limits,
Speaker 2: so if anything anything follows me back here, I mean,
Speaker 2: good luck, man, I'd give them props on that. But
Speaker 2: I've I've heard one night back there's there's a good
Speaker 2: section of woods that unfortunately it's developed now, but back
Speaker 2: I think it was just like a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: I've heard like a really strange, long, long howl back there,
Speaker 2: which could be suspicious or not. But that would be
Speaker 2: the only time, if if you want to categorize that,
Speaker 2: if someone something follows, you know, follows me back home,
Speaker 2: I think that would probably be the only time that possible.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. Last question for you, what what kind of things
Speaker 1: do you bring with you when you go out to
Speaker 1: these areas to make sure that you are in a
Speaker 1: good place and not gonna get messed up out there.
Speaker 2: Personal protection. I usually carry a pistol with me everywhere
Speaker 2: I go. Equipment wise, thermal equipment, thermal scopes you can
Speaker 2: use that daytime or night time. That's basically your eyes
Speaker 2: out there. Other clipping, I use audio recorders. We carry
Speaker 2: a police issued body cans. These things are great. I
Speaker 2: mean you can clip it rate up on your chest rig,
Speaker 2: internal battery, internal memory. On a full charge, it'd probably
Speaker 2: record for about fourteen hours. It's got IR it's got audio.
Speaker 2: So that's if anything happens and you're in a try
Speaker 2: to pull your cell phone or try to get things
Speaker 2: going this you just leave it running and boom, you
Speaker 2: got it.
Speaker 1: Where do you pick up something like that?
Speaker 2: So I'll go right up on Amazon? Yeah, Amazon, I
Speaker 2: believe though. The ones that I use is a patrol
Speaker 2: Master body can I got. I got a few of them,
Speaker 2: and you don't want They're good for it too. I
Speaker 2: mean it fits right in the palm of your hand.
Speaker 2: They're small. So if you think that you gets some
Speaker 2: activity in a daytime, especially in a daytime because night
Speaker 2: you know, it has two noticeable IR lights that come
Speaker 2: out and it's probably only going to show maybe like
Speaker 2: about twenty five feet. So but in the daytime, if
Speaker 2: you think you got some activity, stick it up in
Speaker 2: a tree. It's it's really really stealth, really discreet, wide
Speaker 2: angle lens and you can really monitor a good area
Speaker 2: if you think that something's like coming through, stepping in
Speaker 2: the creek or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It picks up pretty good audio, yes, yeah, real good audio.
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to check that out. That's very
Speaker 1: that's an interesting idea. I hadn't thought about that, but
Speaker 1: it makes it makes total sense. It's kind of like,
Speaker 1: I guess having a GoPro on you, but maybe a
Speaker 1: little less intrusive. So I'm going to check that out.
Speaker 2: Less intrusive and battery life is phenomenon on these things.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well, thanks for the recommendation. Definitely definitely checked
Speaker 1: that out. Johnny. It's been just a real fun chat
Speaker 1: with you today, and you taught me a lot and
Speaker 1: we played some fun audio, heard some good accounts. I
Speaker 1: just want to say thank you for coming on the
Speaker 1: show man.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you having me on. If you got a few
Speaker 2: more minutes, I can tell you about the one that
Speaker 2: I seen back a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, let's do it, man.
Speaker 2: So yeah, April fourteenth of twenty twenty three, up to
Speaker 2: that point, out there, finding footprints, finding tree breaks, getting
Speaker 2: all the stuff on audio recorder, and everything is kind
Speaker 2: of pointing in the direction that it's a bigfoot. It's
Speaker 2: a family big foot that are out there. And I
Speaker 2: was two thirty in the afternoon. It was cloudy, it
Speaker 2: was a two lane country road traveled one hundred times
Speaker 2: to one side. It's a left hand side. It's a
Speaker 2: short step up and goes into the woods. On the
Speaker 2: other side of the road, it's the woods are back,
Speaker 2: probably about twenty feet. I was headed down the straight
Speaker 2: part of the road doing fifty miles an hour, and
Speaker 2: I was going to come up on a slight incline
Speaker 2: and there was a truck on a trailer that was
Speaker 2: coming down the hill. So I was headed toward the hill.
Speaker 2: The truck and trailer was coming down the hill and
Speaker 2: it was like one of those fifth wheel hookups that
Speaker 2: probably one of those empty up around here. They call
Speaker 2: them Big tax sets, that's the brand name. And looked
Speaker 2: on the right hand side, and there's something standing there.
Speaker 2: It's between the road and the tree line. And the
Speaker 2: most important part of the story is that the creature.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at his left hand side, so I'm watching
Speaker 2: its left profile the whole time. Its left arm and
Speaker 2: its head was much much darker than the color of
Speaker 2: the hair and its it was either the either a
Speaker 2: dark brown or it was a black. The color of
Speaker 2: the hair and its body was like a light tan.
Speaker 2: It was like lighter than a deer, so I was
Speaker 2: hit the straight part. I looked up and seeing the
Speaker 2: truck and the trailer coming down, this thing was standing
Speaker 2: right hand side. It was when I first seen it.
Speaker 2: It was between the truck and the trailer. So right
Speaker 2: after that fifth wheel hitch, the truck had passed its location.
Speaker 2: And what this thing did was it swayed back and
Speaker 2: it started walking up and on the road, across the road,
Speaker 2: and the first thing that stood out was this thing
Speaker 2: was tall. I mean ever though that the truck and
Speaker 2: the trailer was on its downslope, it was a lot
Speaker 2: taller than the trailer and got into the first lane,
Speaker 2: and right in the middle of the of the first lane,
Speaker 2: I can start making out the side of its head,
Speaker 2: the shape of its head. By the time it got
Speaker 2: into where the lines go down the road and into
Speaker 2: the left hand lane, I pretty much had like a
Speaker 2: full unobstructed view of this thing, just looking right up
Speaker 2: at it, and I can describe it as we kind
Speaker 2: of did like a measurement out there a few days later.
Speaker 2: It was between seven and a half and eight foot tall.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I was looking at its left profile
Speaker 2: the whole time. Super long arms. The arms actually you
Speaker 2: look like it went down to where it's knees should
Speaker 2: be wide arms. I mean, at the distance where I
Speaker 2: first seen it, the arms looked about as wide as
Speaker 2: a telephone pole. It didn't sway its arms at all
Speaker 2: when it was walking across the road. It had its
Speaker 2: arm down to its side the whole time it's back.
Speaker 2: Its back was like perfectly straight. But the head on
Speaker 2: this thing was huge. I'd kind of like described it
Speaker 2: as like a shape of a football. It was. It
Speaker 2: was peaked on top and was peeked down at the bottom.
Speaker 2: It was now sitting on on its shoulders like a
Speaker 2: person would would have it. It was kind of it
Speaker 2: was it was front and down a little bit, almost
Speaker 2: like if you see these big bodybuilders and the World
Speaker 2: Man competition and they had these really developed traps and
Speaker 2: neck muscles. It's what kind of it appeared to be
Speaker 2: there that possibly could be it. But its head was
Speaker 2: slanted a little bit. It looked like the bottom of
Speaker 2: wards chin woods. It was actually like resting up on
Speaker 2: its upper chest. And the closer I got the it's
Speaker 2: hard to describe. It's if you're picturing like a football,
Speaker 2: the outer part of the football. The head was was
Speaker 2: it was a darker color. Butt right up in the
Speaker 2: center on the outside was a lighter color, so that
Speaker 2: that might have been where the face was. But I
Speaker 2: was saying, walked across the road. It did not make
Speaker 2: any ebobbing motions. It went across as smooth as silk.
Speaker 2: I never seen anything like that before, and did a
Speaker 2: little little step up on the other side of the road.
Speaker 2: It's probably about like a three foot two foot step up.
Speaker 2: It turned just slightly away from me, and I could
Speaker 2: see where its right shoulder blade was, and it could
Speaker 2: see the color of the hair color on its back,
Speaker 2: and it went up into the into the woods. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that was That was April fourteenth or twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: And yeah, these things exist. I went from a believer
Speaker 2: to a nowhere in seven seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that would be. I mean that
Speaker 1: that's it from from here on out. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: no absolute question. My goodness, wow, cool. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like what you saw that day was something that was
Speaker 1: more ape like or human like or just something completely different?
Speaker 2: You know, looking looking at its side, other than you know,
Speaker 2: having arms and a chest and legs and all that,
Speaker 2: it kind of look, let's see, almost like the stature
Speaker 2: of a gorilla, because a gorilla has as a really
Speaker 2: elongated head and just like a strong build. But if
Speaker 2: you watch a gorilla, like if they kind of like
Speaker 2: wobble a little bit, this thing walked across like like
Speaker 2: no motion at all, just just across. So it was
Speaker 2: kind of like like a stature, kind of like a
Speaker 2: strong stature of like a gorilla would have. What it
Speaker 2: was different though, And like I said, we went back
Speaker 2: and measured it. It was we had it been between
Speaker 2: seven and a half and eight foot tall and what
Speaker 2: back in I don't know if it came out of
Speaker 2: the woods. This this is the this is the strange part.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it came out of the woods
Speaker 2: or if it was squatting down when this the guy
Speaker 2: with the with the truck and the trailer was coming
Speaker 2: down and it just had stood up just before I
Speaker 2: seen it. But I went back in the woods where
Speaker 2: if it came out of, and there was a bunch
Speaker 2: of pine trees that were kind of like stacked in
Speaker 2: kind of like a weird kind of configuration. There's also
Speaker 2: a tree break back there. And I also put a
Speaker 2: recorder up in the in the area where it went
Speaker 2: into elected there for a couple of days, and it
Speaker 2: got got a couple of good tree knocks back there.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of this one was probably about
Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning, maybe ten o'clock at night,
Speaker 2: but it was It was was not what I had
Speaker 2: expected to see, because you kind of mentally prepared just
Speaker 2: in case something you're run into something you don't want
Speaker 2: to be like a total total shock to your system,
Speaker 2: so you mentally prepare like every time you go out there.
Speaker 2: And I had thought maybe it was going to be
Speaker 2: looking more like the like the Petty film, or maybe
Speaker 2: even like a methander of the Fander Hall. And it
Speaker 2: looked it definitely did not look human. It just looked
Speaker 2: more like like like a monster. That's the only it's
Speaker 2: the only term like I can use it. Just it
Speaker 2: looked very creaturish.
Speaker 1: Is there a certain thing about it that made you
Speaker 1: think that you were looking at something that was like
Speaker 1: a monster?
Speaker 2: I was. I was zeroed in on its arm and
Speaker 2: its head, but the whole time, not from the time
Speaker 2: it walked across for sure, because if it would have
Speaker 2: ran across the road, it probably would have cleared it
Speaker 2: in just a couple of seconds. But it appeared to
Speaker 2: have taken its time, and I think the whole time
Speaker 2: that it took it it may have been about seven
Speaker 2: seconds or so. Well, Yeah, I was zeroed in on
Speaker 2: the upper upper body of it. It's it's it's head, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean just just just the shape of its head
Speaker 2: and how it was positioned on its body was was
Speaker 2: very monstrous. I mean, I've never seen anything like that before.
Speaker 1: What you saw that day, is it something like if
Speaker 1: M It's a really interesting question. What what you experienced,
Speaker 1: what you saw, Did it feel like it was something
Speaker 1: that could be worked with or if there were a
Speaker 1: lot of them, we would perhaps be in trouble.
Speaker 2: Well, from my experiences out there, other than that that
Speaker 2: grunt and that grawl that one day, and I mean
Speaker 2: the yell and the hitting the trees, And I've been
Speaker 2: out there a lot, and when I go out there,
Speaker 2: I'm usually out there ninety percent of the times by myself,
Speaker 2: out in the woods, out in the creek beds, different
Speaker 2: times of the year, different times of the day. Never
Speaker 2: had anything aggressively come at me. And from other stories
Speaker 2: I've heard with campers that that camp there, and they've
Speaker 2: had they believe that they've had something come in their
Speaker 2: camp or run through their camp. It's it's more in
Speaker 2: this area here, it's more curious. I think that if
Speaker 2: you encountered this thing and it had a bad day,
Speaker 2: or if you got close enough to it that it
Speaker 2: got pissed off, they're probably I mean, they probably tear
Speaker 2: it apart. But I think, just just my personal opinion,
Speaker 2: the clan or the group up there are more curious.
Speaker 2: And oh plus you also got to think too. I mean,
Speaker 2: the people that go to a state park, they're they're
Speaker 2: pretty they're pretty predictable. I mean, no one's going there
Speaker 2: in there hunting, no one's going there with the vicious intent.
Speaker 2: They're pretty much keeping to the to the trails. They're
Speaker 2: in at a certain time, they're out at a certain time.
Speaker 2: They're pretty you know, I would think they're pretty much
Speaker 2: a mellow group. And if anybody's there overnight, they're pretty
Speaker 2: much contained to the campground area. So I'm just assuming
Speaker 2: that maybe they're used to that mellowness of the of
Speaker 2: the people that go there. And you know, wild animal too,
Speaker 2: I mean, it could be just animal mentality. If you
Speaker 2: get close enough to it, it might turn on you.
Speaker 1: Extremely interesting to think about Were there any other things
Speaker 1: that you wanted to make sure that you shared before
Speaker 1: the end of our time today.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm really appreciated that you invited me on
Speaker 2: the show. I had a great time. And just to
Speaker 2: keep a level head and an open mind when you're
Speaker 2: out there and maybe you'll run into one.
Speaker 1: Johnny, is there a way people can reach out to you?
Speaker 1: Or you a researcher that kind of stays undercover in
Speaker 1: a way I used to?
Speaker 2: I'm up on Facebook? Can you find me up on Facebook?
Speaker 2: Johnny Tucker on Facebook? And if anybody like to message
Speaker 2: me there, message me in private. You can do it there.
Speaker 2: Knee doc Bigfoot at gmail if you want to send
Speaker 2: me a private email, and on my website is meee
Speaker 2: doc bigfoot dot com. She'd like to pop in every
Speaker 2: now and again and see too kind of interesting things
Speaker 2: I find. But yeah, I'm up on Facebook. I'm out
Speaker 2: in the woods and investigating and trying to find stuff
Speaker 2: as much as I could. It's kind of like a
Speaker 2: passion for me.
Speaker 1: That's great, and I would, you know, recommend if people
Speaker 1: know things about the area that he's been talking about,
Speaker 1: feel free to reach out to Johnny. You can always
Speaker 1: reach out to me as well, but definitely reach out
Speaker 1: to the people that are in that area that can
Speaker 1: make good use of that information. But Johnny, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for coming on the show today.
Speaker 2: Jeremiah, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much, and
Speaker 2: I will keep in touch.
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